Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - A review of Episode 1173 Geoffrey Miller

Episode Date: October 3, 2018

This week I'm reviewing Joe's conversation with University of New Mexico Professor Miller who studies evolutionary behaviorism. Really great conversation so check it out!   Enjoy..   Please email me with any suggestions and questions for future shows :   [e-mail]

Hello guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan podcast review where I review all of the Rogan podcast for the week, sometimes in groups, sometimes on their own, and sometimes I will do like a weekly recap where I have a guest on or a fan of Joe Rogan and they get to talk about what they liked for the week and you know kind of how it's impact their life and week and you know kind of how it's impact their life and and what positive changes they've been able to make because of his kind of message. And at the end of the day it's just to have some fun where there I always have more questions. Three hour podcasts or a long conversation and you know I'm always thinking of other things and I love to get feedback from other people that listen to

Rogan and their fan and there we go. That's how I put this show together. So this episode was for Jeffrey Miller. So he's a UNM professor and pretty cool actually because I went to the University of New Mexico. I don't know who Jeffrey Miller was, but it was podcast 1173 and really interesting guest. I really like listening to him. He's an evolutionary psychologist. So, you know, really, he just kind of studies human behavior through time, you know, kind of how we've evolved and knows a great deal about it. And really in sight for, very interesting guy who's on one of Sam Harris's podcasts, which I haven't had time to listen to, but I really do want to. And I've

heard people speak highly of it and I'm, you know, I'd imagine if Sam Harris has had him on, he's a well-fought out individual. They jumped right into it. Joe brought up the Bill Cosby going to jail thing and Jeffrey Miller chimed in a bit with that. And they kind of get into the taboos of sexuality and how in a sense, Bill Cosby was seen as like, obviously a very famous comedian but he was also seen as very PC you know he would berate other comics for their language and you know their styles of jokes and and just really was seen as

kind of like a goody kushu's though had this awful horrendous dark side that it just made him, I mean, he's a monster. Like there's no other way to look at it and to think of this. I mean, think of five years ago, if somebody said all the future is Donald Trump's your president and Bill Cosby is the most prolific serial rapist of all time. You'd be like, what? Dimension are you from? And that's not possible. But here we are. 2018's weird. Probably why Joe Rogan called us Tor Strange Times. Because it is. It's fucking strange times. strange times. An interesting thing that they talked about was kind of like how big porners and how porn kind of worked its way into our society really kind

of getting heavy into the like the early 80s when VCRs were first available and you know you could get a whole the tapes like crackly scratchy looking tapes that people would copy over and over again just the you know it's so blurry by the end you could probably hardly make it out that there was even a breast in there but people were doing it and porn being what it is and being so taboo I mean it was like, you know, it was the religious right as much as Jeffrey was saying, that really held strong to that, saying that if we get a hold upon or everyone can see the world, obviously, a terrible place. But, you know, you think

about it today and God, it's probably like 30% of all internet streaming is to look at porn. I mean it's not like the world's got any worse. You know nothing really makes, you know, it didn't make a difference. It's just free access to what at least men are thinking about all the time. I don't know. It was kind of an interesting perspective on it and then they opened it up to the kind of what Netflix is doing these days with the freedom the Netflix allows. And it's creating kind of like this emotionally insightful dramas that show a lot of the subtleties of human emotion. And those shows are doing really well, which to Jeffrey Miller was a very positive reflection of kind of human nature, that people are paying attention, you know, to complex dialogue. In a sense, that's what a drama,

some of the dramas on Netflix a lot, you can really get you thinking. I mean, in a sense, it would be worse, right? If just everybody was just watching the Big Bang Theory and two and a half men and a bunch of other dumb shows like that. It would say something. Like we don't want to think, we don't want to be challenged, we don't want to kind of ask the questions and really feel. You know, obviously Netflix has been a fantastic addition to us all in society.

I mean, I'm sure everyone listening has Netflix. I mean, I don't know a person that doesn't. It's just so good. It really is. And yeah, then they move on to Twitter and what Twitter has become. And Twitter is an interesting thing. I mean, personally, I haven't used Twitter a lot. Obviously, Joe uses it a bunch and a lot of people do. Academics like to, you know, they like to share information on that. So Jeffrey Miller was talking

about it, but he said, the problem with something like that, you know, Joe was like, it's like throwing bombs over a wall, you know, it's's like no one really sees where it came from. Whereas a more traditional way to communicate would have been like stories around a campfire, back in the day, tribal days. And that makes sense. I mean, you wouldn't sit around a campfire with people, especially anyone physically bigger than you

and say some of the awful shit that people say on Twitter. But now they have that place to do it. And it creates kind of like it almost enforces like the nasty parts of you in a sense. So you know we all get frustrated, we all get mad, we all want to share our opinion. But you know I'd say to you guys, if if any of you out there writing really nasty shit on Twitter, take a minute, ask yourself why you're doing it like it's less about what you're commenting on and just more about what's kind of going on in you you know at least that's that's kind of how I see it it seems to be like that you know I

mean really the best way to talk is is always like how Joe sets it up face to face long form conversations. And it's really nice that they're, they were talking about how it's really great that people love these long form conversations for learning. Because you'd almost think for a while maybe the world was just going towards these like short one minuteminute little clips of like hilarious crap like football to the nuts that you see on Instagram but that's not necessarily the case. Don't get me wrong people like that you know. You like to flick through it and get your little little boost of I don't know serotonin or endorphins from watching some funny shit for a minute something interesting but then people also sit down and listen to hours and

hours of like real conversation, like intellectuals like Jeffery. And you know they're paying attention and they're coming up with these things and it's, you know, it gets people asking questions. It's really cool. I like it a lot. Obviously, People want knowledge. You know, they really want, they want to learn. And, you know, you're able to now. It's kind of like the free university thing. Joe also posted something quite funny. If you follow him on Instagram, he's on a bookstore recently, the Baby Feminist book.

It was a little baby with a bow and it had makeup on. And it was like blowing a bullhorn. And Joe was just like ripping on it. He was like, it's fucked up that they, that they've chosen her sex. He was kind of like playing the devil's advocate to this like new movement of like whether someone's a, you know, whether somebody wants the transition and he's like, how can you choose her sex already? It's kind of, kind of fucked up that they sexualized her with makeup and a little bow and it's quite funny how can you choose to the sex already? It's kind of fucked up that they sexualize or would make up in a little bow. And it's quite funny, but the really scary part about it is I don't Joe doesn't think that that book was ironic. It was actually meant to be like a real thing.

And what the fuck? I get to see that thing. That just sounds insane to me. Insane. Then he can move on to other types of acceptance, like, you know, somebody's overweight, you know, you don't want to pick on someone just for being fat, unless it's good for any of you, you know, they're going to take it okay, and you just, you know, you mean the best, or you just give them a bit of shit. But, you know, the fact that you can't say anything about somebody being fat, or like this fat

acceptance, because at the end of the day Joe saying they're an unhealthy person right they're unhealthy they're probably lazy they eat poorly and it's and it's bad just to not say anything or like maybe not say something but just to ignore it is like not a problem because it's a health problem for that person and without making them feel worse they should they should know you know they should be able to get that help I mean it's a mess it's a mess when someone is is super fat you know they talk a lot about the funding of things because obviously

Jeffrey Miller does does research and knows people that does it. There's never any funding for marijuana research, he says. Basically because the federal government doesn't support marijuana in any way, so you can't look at a drug like fentanyl or another bad opiate one and say, hey, CBDs or TTC medication alleviate it, because you can't go from a legal drug to an illegal one, and no one ever give you any research money for it, and research money mostly comes from the federal government. I guess universities can do it, but they won't be given the rights, I guess, to study those things. Also, the same with sex research. Just never gets any money because the senators shy away from it. People are worried that it'd be used politically as like, oh he funds sex research

and it's just it's bad politically. People freak out. One of the great parts of the podcast is Jeffrey is talking to Joe and vice versa about these robot brothels that are opening. So I guess there is it's in Texas, there's a robot brothel opening and that cracks me up. I'm just like, what the fuck? A robot brothel? I mean, hilarious.

But then they get into, is it moral, you know, sex bots? Is it like, is it cheating on your wife or whatever? I mean, certainly it's better for an individual that can't get sex to go out and commit a crime that, you know, it's better than that that they can have a sex bot, obviously. And, you know, but where does it end, right? Sex bots, they're talking about getting ones that look like celebrities, owning your own celebrity sex bot. I mean, it's endless. And then you're gonna start modifying it.

I mean, the future's gonna be fucking weird as hell, for sure. It's really gonna be weird. Moving on with the evolution of people and something that Jeffrey was making a point about really interested in was just how much different we are when it comes to our communication than other animals. And I mean, in a sense, we're almost psychic from what he explained. I never really thought about it that way, but he says animals, even with the most complex language, only have maybe a few dozen words. Where humans have thousands. and for us, for most languages, I think 90% of languages

can be spoken with about 450 of their words, or 500, I heard that somewhere, but still that's a lot more than any other animal, obviously, And it really does mean that we can describe things so much more clearly than what we're thinking about. In a sense, it is kind of like psychic thought. And that's pretty interesting, right? What does that mean? How does that change things? And how will language change in the future

is what they got into, like maybe a universal language or something like that. Jeffrey sounded like he was pretty disillusioned with the university system, which I thought was pretty fascinating. And he's saying that if he went into human behaviorism again, he wouldn't go through the university system. He'd go into Facebook, like not into academia. And he said he would do this just because Facebook has so much more data on human behavior And he said they don't release it and he doesn't know what they do with it

But they're obviously using it to sell advertising space But I mean they really know how you think and and this is something interesting the other day I got some mail for my fucking like a different internet provider and in it the cheeky bastards put a little posted note internet provider, and in it the cheeky bastards put a little posted note that said call this number and it had the number on and it honestly looked like a little posted note that I would make and it was in with the letter and what was interesting about it is if you just like kept one thing from it you just kept that little posted you might not even remember that you didn't write it in time I mean fuck I could forget that.

And then all of a sudden, you just have this little posted note to write a thing on. I mean, to think that they're not, you know, they're marketing and advertising campaigns and people don't realize these things to just trick us dummies into calling these numbers of behaving in a certain way is naive. I mean, of course they're doing it Joe once they started talking about Facebook Joe obviously was making fun of Mark Mark Zuckerberg being a robot and Then he was like oh just kidding mark don't delete my my Facebook account, which is fucking hilarious kid in Mark don't delete my my Facebook account which is fucking hilarious always giving that guy shit Mark Zuckerberg is kind of a weird dude he seems

strange he seems seems nice though it doesn't seem like a bad guy he's just like just odd probably all billionaires aren't yeah and then we're saying in the future probably there won't be any universities as well. So because it's like people are really messed up from it. So expensive, you know, Jeffrey again, is he's really conflicted about the skyrocketing tuition costs, even though UNM is quite reasonable in price. That's why I went there. And it really gets cool too.

But it's still expensive, you know, and almost all things can be told now in social psychology in the last so many years, a kind of BS really. I mean, universities are almost outdated and they're too expensive. It's almost like there's gonna be a Netflix of college is coming and it's gonna be tech-based,

they'd be faster, cheaper, more effective, covering kind of like base laws of understanding too. Like why do you procrastinate? What is discipline? Why do you do the things that you do? Just more useful life events. I mean, all you're doing and Joe talked about this is you just like, you cram for these exams,

you cram for a more and then you fucking day later forget everything. It's like so much of everything you learn is useless. I mean it is. I can't think of like the calculus I've done and it's like a joke while you're in there like oh when you're done with calculus you'll never use calculus. You will never fucking use calculus. Ever, it is absolutely useless. Unless you go into high level math, it's just shocking that they even make it. It's like learning for the sake of learning. Which saying that, they should just teach you something else.

I'm getting excited. I've had a lot of coffee book, geez, seriously. One thing that I thought was really interesting when it came to, they started to talk about like evolution and mating, dating or this. The difference between like really sexy women and then like once you want to marry, so there's once you want to have sex with and then ones that you want to have children with. And something that Jeffrey brought up which was interesting is the problem is evolutionarily is the bad behaviors sometimes work and promiscuity works which supports that. So if you think about it if people in a society I

mean the only reason promiscuous people would still exist is because it worked in the past and evolutionarily it exists. So it's something in a culture that we should understand and accept and what does that mean? Maybe that swings back to the sex box and maybe there's a place for them. Maybe we all need a sex box. Maybe I'll get a sex box sponsor the next time I'm on. But anyway, that's it for that one. It was a great podcast, really fascinating. You can learn a lot about about human behavior, which is cool. That's what we're here for. So anyway, thanks for listening. As always, love you guys. Talk to you soon. Peace. You can learn a lot about about human behavior, which is cool. That's what we're here for. So anyway, thanks for listening.

As always, love you guys. Talk to you soon. Peace.