Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Ariel Tweto

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

Meet Craig’s friend Ariel Tweto, Ariel was a frequent guest on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson, has a recurring voice role on the Fox animated sitcom The Great North, playing a teenage girl named Kima Evanoff and is best known for TV show called Flying Wild Alaska that features the Tweto family from Unalakleet, Alaska who run the Alaska airline Era Alaska. EnJOY this conversation about psychology, flying planes and friendship! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's all lowercase. thecraigfergusonshow.com. That's all lowercase. Thecraigfergusonshow.com. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. When I was doing the late night show, I talked to a lot of people. Some of them became my friends. That's the category we're in today. Ariel Tweedo first came to my attention when she was on a TV show called Flying Wild Alaska. But the minute I met her, I knew we'd be friends.

And then when she became friends with my wife, then I knew it was compulsory. Here's my friend, Ariel Tweedo. Well, we can. Is that what we're doing today? my friend, Ariel Twain. Oh, we can? Is that what we're doing today? Well, Megan always gets her nails done. Let's do it. She's a nails done person.

Oh. All right. So let's, but here's the thing, because we were talking about wearing our headphones. Yeah. Because it makes you feel like a pilot. It does, doesn't it? It does. It's like we're flying planes together. Oh, where should we go?

Your flight controls. No, let's do your flight controls. You've got two big things on your fingers. What's going on? Oh, I was in Nicaragua surfing, and then one night me and my buddies were out night surfing, and I was walking back in, and I slipped on a rock. Oh, my God.

So I slipped on the rock, and I slashed my leg open, so I was more back in and I slipped on a rock. Oh my God. So I slipped on the rock and I slashed my leg open so I was more worried about my leg. And then I was like, something's wrong with my fingers. And I put my hand up to the, like the moonlight. All of them looked like they were all bent, like upside down L's. And so I remember my dad, like he fell down the steps one time

and I remember seeing him pull his fingers. So I was like, I guess I'm going to have to pull my fingers. You pulled your fingers? I pulled all of them. But wouldn't you pass gas like really badly if you pulled all your fingers? I don't know what I did. Or is that only when someone else pulls your fingers? I think it's when someone else does it.

So if you pull your, it's like tickling yourself. You can't pull your own finger. It was, it was disgusting though. It was worse seeing your hand mangled than I think the actual pain. But now I have two broken fingers and the other two I set right, though. But now my problem is... You set your own fingers? I set them and then...

Totally badass, Ariel. It's so mental. Because what we just kind of glossed over is that you were night surfing in Nicaragua. Yeah. Which makes me feel like you were on a special ops thing for the CIA. And that's the truth of it. Why night surfing in Nicaragua? What were you doing there? Do you know people there?

No, I didn't. But now I do. I feel like I know half the country. It was amazing. I just needed to get out of Alaska. And so I was like, I usually go to Costa Rica to surf. And so this time I was like, I'm going to try Nicaragua. And I ended up going to Papua.

It was amazing. I was supposed to be there for a week and I ended up staying for like three yeah and then yeah it was the last day I was there and so I met a guy who had a ruler oh okay did you meet a guy I actually sort of all right yeah but no so a guy had a ruler and we cut the ruler in half and he set my fingers with the ruler until I came back to America

and got a proper splint. But now they smell like fish. Well, that's, you know, if it's the sea and you were swimming, why do they smell like fish?

Because last night I ate a can of sardines in my, like the oil drip. Wait, are you living the Inuit lifestyle in American hotels?

So like for those of you who are not familiar with your story, I'm just going to take you back a little bit. I know you well and, you know, we've been friends since I met you on late night. 10 years. 10 years. Or 11. I think there's more.

Yeah. I didn't have gray hair back then. You didn't either. Yeah, I sure did. And you don't have any now. Oh, I have a lot, but I don't mind it. I don't either. Yeah, I sure did. And you don't have any now. Oh, I have a lot, but I don't mind it. I don't know. Gray is okay, but it's getting really white now.

Yours? Yeah. I like it. Really? Silver Fox. No, it's not Silver Fox anymore. It's Santa. The battle when you get, because I'm nearly 62.

Jesus. The battle now is to not turn into Santa. That's my last mission. Well, you look good. Well, that's in a Santa way? No, in a nice way. Well, thank you, Ariel. Now, listen, let's start because I first became aware of you.

I first heard about you because of Flying Wild Alaska, the show that you did for Discovery, right? Which is about you and your family's airline because your dad ran the airline, Aira? Yeah, Aira. Well, it started out Hagelands, and so it was my dad and his buddy, Mike Hageland, and they started it, and then it merged to Aira, and then it became Raven. Right. Is that what it's called now, Raven?

Without an E. My dad was too cheap to spend extra money on the extra letters for all the airplanes. Raven does that. Is this Rave? Yeah, Raven. My mom's obsessed with Ravens, and so my dad named it for her. I got a Raven on my arm. I saw that.

Yeah, I got a big Raven right there on my elbow. Love it. But not a real one. It's a tattoo, obviously. Yeah. That's not a real Raven. Not a real Raven. It would have been practical to walk around with a Raven all the time.

I don't know. Do you want to get some ink while you're here? Oh yes, I was just going to say this. I know a great woman in Queens.

Let's do it. No, no, Brooklyn. She's at Greenpoint. She's amazing. Okay, yeah, I'm definitely going to do it. Would you get one too? Yeah, yeah,

I need to get more. There's always room for more. Yeah, maybe we'll go over this afternoon. We'll give her a call. So listen, you do this show, Flying Wild Alaska,

but let's talk a little bit about your family because your dad starts up this airline, right? He's a bush pilot. So yeah, he flew. I'm not sure exactly how. He flew for my grandpa's company, and my grandpa started Ryanair. Ryanair, the Irish airline?

No, it's a little smaller one in Alaska. Right, okay. It's actually a big one. But then my dad got fired. And then my uncle or something, someone fired him. And because he had too many ideas and whatever. A lot of ideas. A lot of ideas, yeah.

And then so he got a plane and then started his competition airline. And then it just like grew and grew. And just grew and grew, just from growing up. So you were in these bush planes since you were a baby, right? Zero. Yeah, we flew everywhere. And then the only way in and out of our village is by airplane. So my parents, they were like, if you want to go see the world, or if you want to get out of this village, which I did. I love it, but I can't.

I hear you. I've never been. Uniclee, right? Yep. Right. So Uniclee is a village in Alaska of about how many people? Like 650. Oh, that's not really a village. It's a small town. It's a small town. Yeah. We're the biggest hub in our area. So most of the villages around us have like 150, 250 people. And your dad wasn't Alaska native though, right?

Nope. He's Norwegian. So he grew up in Minnesota. A lot of Norwegians grew up in Minnesota. Yeah, they're all over. But then a lot of Minnesotans end up in Alaska, which is odd. Well, it's because of the Norway thing. They keep looking for places

that are really cold and inhospitable. Which I don't get. I'm like, I was born in the wrong place. I was supposed to be born in like Africa or like somewhere in Central America. I like the sun. I don't, you know, I, I was born in the wrong place. I was supposed to be born in Africa or somewhere in Central America. I like the sun. I've been back in Scotland too much now. I'm not going to do it anymore.

It's too, I got to go, sunny time. Anyway, so your dad, he meets your mom in Alaska? Yep, so he got a hockey scholarship and moved up when he was 16, like 16, 17, and then played hockey and was really good. He was a goalie. And he was 16, like 16, 17, and then played hockey and was really good. He was a goalie. Wow. And he was amazing, apparently.

And then he became a welder after that. He had really crappy hips. And so he stopped playing hockey, became a welder, and started building all the boats in Northwest Alaska, like all the crazy crab and fishing boats. Man. Yeah. I didn't know that.

Yeah, he was obsessed with welding. He loved welding. People get obsessed with welding. It's the weirdest thing. I know a couple of people who are really into it. Yeah, you should see his boats that he built. Half the village seems like everyone had his boats. Really? Yeah, and then he just became a... I don't think he ever got his pilot's license. He just started flying. Stop it. Your dad didn't have a pilot's license? Yeah, I don't think he actually got his private pilot's license. Oh, man.

That's an interesting story. I know. And then he met my mom and then... Right. So your mom is native Alaskan, right? Yeah. My mom's wild. I can't wait for you to meet her.

Yeah. She seems lovely on that show. Oh, yeah. She's feisty. She carries a bullwhip. She cusses like a fisherman sailor. She carries a bullwhip that's scary it is yeah i don't know if i want to meet her now i may just do it like facetime yeah so last year because i haven't seen you since your dad's accident right that was really intense um well obviously it was really intense

because your dad we lost your dad during that right yeah? Yeah, in June. June of last year. So it's going to be a year soon. But it doesn't feel real still and I think that's why I just don't want to be at home. It's hard. I still dream about him, which is good, and I write him letters all the time and I'll just be like, hey, haven't felt you in a while or something and then he'll show up in a dream. My last dream. I have that with my parents.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. That goes on forever. That's okay. You know, don't worry about that. He's not going anywhere in that sense, you know. Yeah.

I don't know. Like there was a couple times like surfing. He used to call me Dudette. And my first time ever catching this green wave, like going all the way down this wave, I jumped off of it. And then I, like, I sound weird. You are weird, Ariel. But there's nothing wrong with being weird.

People are going to stop with weird as somehow negative. Yeah. Weird's awesome. Yeah. But, okay, well, I don't sound weird. But I heard him. Like, I heard him say, like, good job, Dudette. And then I felt him.

I felt him everywhere and that's when I knew I was like oh man he's still like here and then then I started I couldn't stop crying but they were like happy tears and I hadn't like I've just been sad so much I know but I mean that is so that's what the world tour is about right now then what's that with you like you're like running away from yeah. That's okay. I mean, you got to deal with it how you deal with it. You know what I mean? It's like, how's your mom doing?

I mean, they were together pretty much every day for 36 years. Right. And they were best friends. So she's so strong. She's like having to deal with me and my sisters because, I mean, he was my best friend. Yeah. And then my little, like, like everyone was so we were so close and I thought we were I was like I didn't think it was I thought he was invincible like I like there's no way that could have happened and yes I guess yeah I remember being very shocked when when I heard right because I like I texted you right

away yeah I did thank you for that it's the weirdest thing though because you know when you don't know where to call someone or you know like when when you experience grief like i've had it you you know you clearly have had it very recently it people kind of are nobody knows how to deal with you sort of thing it's kind of like it's kind of like you got something on you a little bit yeah it's like yeah no one knows what to say. It's super awkward. Like, I, yeah, I don't, and I don't know how to, like, respond. Like, my, like, people are like,

how are you doing? And, like, my, like, little sister is very, like, blunt, and she's just like, how do you think I'm doing? And I'm like, good. But now I'm realizing, like, I'm, like, I'm taking it every, like, day. Like, today I'm good. Yeah.

Like, a couple days ago, not so much. I think, I think that,. I think that's okay. I mean, I think that, you know, it's how it looks on you. I mean, I think that whenever anyone has an agenda for how you should feel about any particular thing, I think that's more about them than it is about you. You feel how you feel. You know, and when people say, like, get people say like get over things like you don't get over shit like that that's crazy you you learn to live with it you don't get it yeah now you know

what this made me realize though how how i thought i was a compassionate like empathetic person before all this now it made me realize like what a ding dong like i just when my friends like we're going through loss or something i'm like let's just go hiking come on like get over it pretty much and now i'm like if someone said that to me i would like punch me in the face right because i'm just like oh that negates what i was going to say to you no i love hiking and stuff but in i know in the trenches yeah well i think sometimes it is with people when you're talking about grief. People are so uncomfortable with the idea of it and they hate it so much that they want you to not have it too.

You know what I mean? It's like it's really, I think I know I get a little OCD around it as well. Like if I feel grief, I'm going to feel more grief. You know what I mean? It's like weird. around it as well. Like if I feel grief, I'm going to feel more grief. You know what I mean? It's like weird. But I remember when my dad died. How old were you? I was in my 40s. I just started in late night. And he died. But he was 75. He wasn't that old

really, if you think about it. But he died of cancer, so we kind of knew it was common. But when he died, he, you know, and the grief is such a weird thing. I think it's kind of, it's a bit like your fingers. You know, you get mashed up and it's, you know, like, what the fuck am I going to do with this? Yeah. And then little by little, it starts to kind of go. But you're never, you know, you're always going to have the scars. Yeah.

Kind of like. Fat fingers. Yeah. Well, I was going to say. You put on weight, but only on your fingers. I know. I wish I could do that. Like, I only put on weight, like, on one finger or something.

Yeah, I wish. No, I got, like, when I was about 40 years old, I had a motorcycle accident. And I broke my collarbone and three ribs. And I can still feel it right now. I still feel it right now talking to you and I can still feel it right now I still feel it right now talking to you I can still feel it all the time but at the time I got it it was agony and it was agony and agony and agony and then it's not agony all the time sometimes I think about it makes me twinge I think grief is a little like that like when it arrives it fucking arrives like yeah oh my god it's a tsunami it's awful and it's just so random sometimes yeah yeah you could just I was in REI looking at gloves and

I saw like a pair of gloves that he used to wear and then I just lost it in the middle of this like in the middle of the store and then there's just certain things that just set you off and then like for me the hardest part is like envisioning like the last seconds and stuff and so I have to like cut myself off or like get get super busy with something otherwise I just like picture it like how it happened and then I'm like then that makes sets me off and yeah I could see how you would do that to yourself but the thing I remember I mean you said earlier it's so fast you know what age was your dad he was 68 68 you know you live for 68 years and two seconds of it you know it's not much you know and i'm not trying to make you feel better about it but you know but i think if i was in your shoes and i think with my dad my own dad

as well is trying to get a sense of perspective about it, you know what I mean? Yeah, that was his biggest fear too, was getting old. He started memorizing stars. He memorized over 360-some stars because he was afraid of losing his memory. Yeah, getting Alzheimer's or something. Yeah, so he would have, me and my sisters, he had flashcards, and we would just lay in the snow, and we'd have to quiz him. And yeah, he just didn't want to get old.

Yeah. I understand that, too. I'm 61. I'm going to be 62 years old in a few weeks. It's terrifying. Yeah. It's really bad. And you think, well, it's not going to happen to me.

But, you know, it kind of does. Start memorizing stars. Or maybe not. That didn't work. I don't think it was it. We memorizing stars. Or maybe not. That didn't work. I don't think it was it. We memorized the stars. But I see. Now, of course, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I can't memorize stars.

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I mean, you have to have some thick skin in your stomach or something where you can be used to it. Because, I mean, it's a flipper of a seal, and you cover it in grass, wrap it in grass, and then bury it in a hole for a couple months until it ferments. See, that's not cooking. That's burying it and then bringing it back up. That's zombie seal.

So, okay, I'll be honest. On the show, I think a dog ate it because we couldn't find it where we buried it. So we ended up... So our producers were just like, this is when we knew we were having to end the show soon because our family, we didn't... I mean, not everyone's that interesting.

And so once they started shaking a plane and having a wedding cake in there, my dad was like, we're done. Yeah. Yeah, and the seal flipper thing too. We went and got pickled pig's feet from the grocery store and just threw it in the ground. That's the thing about these flying shows

because I watch the ice flyers or something like that as well do you ever watch that I didn't even watch our show no I didn't watch my show yeah

especially if you're in a show why the hell would you watch it yeah you just start ripping yourself apart I'm like that's how I walk it looks like I have to pee all the time oh god I hate seeing

how I walk it's weird I think I look like I've got stiff shoulders is that anyway I don't want to talk've got stiff shoulders. Is that so? Anyway, I don't want to talk about my stiff shoulders. Why did you bring them up? What are you doing now?

Do you have a podcast? No. What am I doing now? Good question. Trying to figure that out. No, you don't have to have an answer. This is not a careers thing. I'm just, you know, I just want to know if you're okay.

And how are you doing? No, I'm doing good. I love entertaining get I love like I love entertaining and I love travel shows and stuff so trying to do another travel show

I do a thing on The Great North I get to do a little voice on that which is fun the cartoon yeah I love cartoons

I need to talk to your son Milo about helping me with like a cartoon yeah he's on studio now that's I know that's what I heard that's insane

that's awesome I know that's insane that's awesome I know Studio Flimpo they like they make stuff and everything yeah so cool but there's just

I hope he gets really rich and I can like get all the money back for school and stuff I'll be like alright here's what school costs here's what college costs it's insane

but he will he's so smart just hanging out with him this summer and stuff I'm just like when were we in Scotland? July yeah wait when were we last there it was for for fourth of july fourth of july were you there fourth of july yeah was i there physically i was there not so oh yeah yeah yeah that was that no that was 2022 i think okay because that's when everybody got

covid oh yeah did you get covid i didn. We had a party at the house. Everybody got COVID. Like 54 people got COVID. I didn't get it and you didn't get it. Yeah. I think I'm filthy. I think I'm immune to everything. I think like...

You've never had COVID? No. Yeah. You got it now. This is a tiny studio. Yeah. No, I don't get sick that often. I get injured a lot, but not really sick.

Well, I mean, you live outdoors. I mean, you're outdoors and upright all the time, right? Yeah. Is that from Alaska? Is that, you think it was like you were just like, because in the summer in Alaska, you got to get as much of it as you can. Yeah, you're outside all the time.

But in the winter, we're outside all the time too. Just dress warmer. Yeah, but I'm like an animal. Like I have to be outside. I get like antsy if I'm inside too long. I'm going to start ripping things here soon. Yeah. I remember seeing you chewing the carpet. But I thought it was just because it was late at night and you were having fun with those. Remember those Swedish people? Oh, man. Both trips were so fun.

They can drink. They can. I thought I could drink. No, Swedes, they take it to a different level. Yeah. Those trips are so fun I can't wait for another one hopefully in Scotland yeah

yeah I don't know I'm taking a break from that for a while and then going yeah Maine lobster season all that stuff

and New York City a lot for me now I've had enough of the countryside for a while really yeah it's so massive here

yeah it's a big city no Yeah, it's a big city, no denying it. It's a big city. You've been here before, surely you know. I think from being in the jungle so long, I've been spending

so much time in all these little towns with no power and stuff and then coming here, I'm just like, oh my God, as I'm eating a can of sardines

in my hotel room. So talk to me about that. So was that like a detox from the, you just, you can't go to a restaurant? No, I'm so cheap. I had leftover canned fish from Nicaragua that's been in my bag.

Wait, you smuggled canned fish into the country? That's all I ate there was canned tuna. There was nothing in this town. That's why your fingers smell like fish. I know, fish finger. You probably will smell a bit like fish. I know. I'm not aware of it right now, but I'm drinking coffee.

I know, we might have to eat something else tonight other than canned fish. I think I have'm not aware of it right now, but I'm drinking coffee. I know. We might have to eat something else tonight other than canned fish. I think I have one more can of sardines in my bag. Megan, my wife, your pal, is on an airplane right now.

She lands in about two or three hours. Yeah, I'm excited. Reunion. She's very excited to see you. She told me to tell you she's very excited to see you. You guys are going for

like a 12-hour brunch tomorrow or something like that? Is that the plan? Yeah, we're going to. That sounds like day drinking to me. It's still going to be a lot of mimosas, I think. A lot of mimosas and a lot of hopefully laughs and a lot of tears and a lot of just boy talk.

I don't want her doing boy talk. What's she doing boy talk for? She has to walk me through boy talk. I'm 36 and I'm still like, what's wrong with me? Stop it, are you? I'm 36. That's so crazy. I think of you as being like 23 or something.

Same here. And I still feel like, yeah, I'm on the cusp of 40. No, you're 36. You're mid-30s. I love getting older, though. Yeah, that wear off drives me. Really? Well, I feel more like I definitely, I like myself more.

And I'm excited to get over this hump of sadness. And like, did you, like when your parents pass out, you just, you're almost grieving your past self too. Because I feel like I'm a completely different person than I was. You are a different person. Yeah. And that's okay. Heavier. Energetically heavy. Like, I just feel heavy.

Well, I think that's grief. I don't feel, look, I'm not a doctor or a therapist or anything like that, but I'm your friend, and you seem okay to me. You know, you're sad, but, you know, your dad died. If you weren't sad, that wouldn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking about that that other day, though, and it's like, am I ever going to feel light again? But then you have those moments where I did feel like they weren't like catching that wave and I'm like I feel a little

bit of like old me again but then again everyone's like you have to grow and evolve and like change you should be changing and so I'm like yeah I guess I shouldn't like always strive to be that like 23 year old child yeah but change is i mean look change is the law of the universe you gotta change everything changes all the time and people people don't like it even even if they want it it's difficult you know when you know the quote i heard was maybe i made it up i don't know but it is the law of God's mind, and resistance to it is the source of all pain. Ooh, I love that. That might have to be our tattoo.

Okay. Say it again. I was thinking more a skeleton mermaid. Oh, that could be cool, too. That could be really good, right? I was thinking that. But the thing is, my friend, or my friend, Megan's cousin, Tom. Uh-huh. Have you met Tom?

Maybe. He's a pilot for American Airlines. He's like super high achiever, like triple seven pilot. Very cool. He's got a skeleton mermaid tattoo. So I can't really get one now. Because then it'll look like I'm trying to copy Tom, which I am. That's actually a good idea, though.

Wait, say that quote one more time. Change is the law of God's mind, and resistance to it is the source of all pain. Okay, I like that one. I've been into quotes lately. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I think, who has it said about quotes? Gore Vidal.

Gore Vidal said about quotes in the book Julian the Apostate, which is about the Roman emperor that tried to stop christianity taking hold after the emperor constantine sounds heavy it's actually it's a great book actually it's really fun it's a fun book to read it's good jokes in it and stuff okay um but gorfudal was very funny but he said and i'm paraphrasing because if i quoted a quote about quotes that would be too ironic even for me so it's he says that people use quotes in order to make them sound as clever as the person who said the thing. But really, they're just showing off that they can remember a quote. Well, I had one for you because your podcast is joy. And so one of my things for the last

couple of years, I wanted to go and take positive psychology. There's this professor at Harvard, had one for you because your podcast is joy yeah and so one of my things for the last couple years i wanted to go and take positive psychology um there's this professor at harvard sean acre and i i just i love i what's positive psychology i never heard of the study of happiness and joy oh i gotta talk to this guy i should what's his name sean acre yeah and i love so his quote about um so happiness is a joy you feel while moving towards your full potential does it like it sounds a bit corporate to me no it's no it like you feel so good when you're improving like when you're like yeah when you're growing and evolving and changes like it like when you're training for a marathon it could be painful but then you feel joy because you're like you're progressing or like you're you're i think that i think that there's some truth to that, but I also

think, because you know, I have children, and I have to instill in them the idea that sometimes, if you want something, it's difficult. You have to go through difficult, like if you want to learn how to play the guitar, you have to practice playing the guitar.

If you want to learn how to surf, if you want to really enjoy surfing, you've got to learn how to surf. And every now and again, you might break your fingers. If you go night surfing in Nicaragua, have you ever even been attacked by a shark, by the way? No, I haven't. You see, you almost sound like disappointed, like, I feel bad, I haven't been shark attacked.

I know. Wait, go back to that thing, though. But don't you feel like just what you said, though, that you're still growing, even though it's like pain. Yeah, pain. There's another quote. Now I wish I'd never brought that Gore Vidal thing, because now I feel like Gore Vidal's haunting me. Do you know, I once went to a party and Gore Vidal was there.

He was very old. I didn't talk to him, and I wish I had. So you made it seem like he was like hundreds of years old. Like this guy, is he alive? No, no. He died about 10 or 15. Gore Vidal. Gore Vidal.

He wrote some great books. Okay, I'm going to have to write them down. Yeah, he wrote a book called Burr about the... Burr? Burr, B-U-R-R. Aaron Burr, the guy. Have you seen Hamilton?

I haven't so he's the bad in Hamilton he's one of the founding fathers and Gore Vidal would be furious

that I used that as a reference point but he was furious anyway he was a very erudite he was a contemporary

of Truman Capote so a 50s, 60s, 70s 80s writer. Burr. He wrote Burr. Yeah, and it's a very good book about one of the founding fathers,

Aaron Burr. Okay. And he wrote, he was the guy that said, here's a quote by Gore Vidal. Never turn down the opportunity to have sex or appear on television. I remember you saying,

I heard you say that one before. Really? Yeah. So I quoted Gore Vidal on that before. I think so. I remember you say, I heard you say that one before. Really? Yeah. So I quoted Corbin Allen that before. I actually think that he's totally wrong. I think about 99 times out of 100, always turned down the opportunity to have sex and to appear on television the same amount of times. But when I was younger, maybe I thought differently. But now I feel very differently. Always turned down the opportunity to have sex or But when I was younger, maybe I thought differently. But now I feel very differently. Always turn down the opportunity to have sex or... I don't know.

I'm on a yes phase right now. A yes phase in your life. I think it's a good thing. You go out and kind of like get your groove back, Stella. Do you know what I mean? Oh, I love that movie. But yeah, that's why I was like, I'm in my prime right now.

I should be... I'm straight, you are. I should be boning everything. Well, you know, if that's what you want to do... No, I'm not going to do that. I'm in my prime right now. I should be boning everything. Well, you know, if that's what you want to do. No, I'm not going to do that. I'm just joking. My dad right now is like, gosh, take it and I'll shut your mouth. Yeah, I was going to say.

That's the other thing too, though. Now I feel like he's watching all the time, so I have to be on my best behavior all the time. And I'm just like, should I be doing this? And I'm like, go hang out with my sisters right now while I go do something stupid yeah

I don't you're not that stupid are you no I'm pretty smart you kind of like you have adventures I've seen you like you know

go off to places that are scary or not so scary I remember running into you in Paris that's so random running into each other in Paris

in Paris I know it sounds so international as into each other in Paris? In Paris. I know. It sounds so international as well, doesn't it? Yeah. We were just walking down the Champs-Elysees. Where were we? It wasn't the Champs-Elysees. It was Rue de Vaugirard.

And then we had pasta with you guys and my friend Simon. Yeah, your friend Simon. How's he doing? He's good. He's in Toronto. Yeah. And that's good? Yeah.

He was like a business friend. Oh, he's a business friend. He helped me start a non-profit. All right. What was the non-profit? Popping Bubbles, suicide prevention. Oh, yeah. Because of the suicide problem in Alaska.

Yeah. Are you still working with that? I need to get back on it. I stopped for like this last year. Oh, you've been dealing with something. Yeah, but I don't know. Like, so my whole theory, there's not a theory, but for me, I wanted to like inspire kids. Like life could be amazing if you choose, like if you say yes to opportunities, if you give kids opportunities, experiences. So the name came about, I was talking

about how all of us live in our own little bubble. We're scared to leave the village or to try new things or to talk to people that are different from us. And I think we would be happier and healthier if we popped each other's bubbles. So that's where the name came. I think that you could expand that to people in their little villages online and their little villages in the news. Everywhere. All of us live in our little bubble. and their little... Everywhere. Like all of us live in our little bubble.

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and you're from the good generation, right? Why would you say you're from the evil generation right why would you say you're from the evil generation well apparently we're the bad guys right now 62 year olds yeah 61 61 yeah 62 in like three four weeks like knock it off so what i worry about not really for you maybe people who are younger than you it seems to me and maybe I'm wrong about this I'm perfectly prepared to be wrong about this but it seems to me there that it's quite difficult for young people to talk to people they don't agree with like it's much more difficult than it used to be like if you don't agree with someone you immediately get away from them or or yeah i see that i see that like they're so afraid of like confrontation or from yeah just they don't even approach someone that's different though yeah it

seems weird to me i mean it's like i and look clearly that's something they've been taught so the responsibility for it doesn't fall on them but it seems like an error i think so you know like if like i've got friends i've got friends, good friends, that I think they're idiots. I have friends that I don't like anything about them much, except they're my friend. I don't know, I can't really explain it. It's like...

You could, you still have, like what I was going to say, you could have friends and not like them. Well, you, I don't know where I was going to go with that one. No, I don't know. It's like you can like someone and disagree with them. Yeah, that's a better way to phrase it. It's like you can or not be threatened by a different point of view. I think the idea that I'm going to try and force you to think the way I think,

I'm not. I just don't think the way you think. But it doesn't mean I'm going to try and get you to think the way I think. It's okay to have different opinions and to disagree with people. I think people think just because you disagree with someone, then you immediately are quarreling. I'm like, you could have different opinions. It's fine.

I know, and it's funny because I don't want to be shitting on the youth. There's too much of that. People my age going, oh, young people, they're shit. They're not shit. They're're just young people everybody's different but i do it does seem to be a thing like like comfort like it's like you say confrontation is very difficult for them yeah i don't know you know what i think helps so much or has helped me i think like this why i love traveling so much just seeing how other people live yeah and it makes oh god it's when i was in nicaragua, I met, in this little town, met people from the Netherlands, Spain, Germany, Slovakia.

Is that a place? Slovenia? Yeah, Slovakia and Slovenia. Both places. I think it was the one with the K, Slovakia. Slovakia. I mean, all of us like just in this small little town, just like because our love of surfing and warm weather, but everyone was so caring, but so different.

Sounds like there was a lot of weed getting smoked. Was there a lot of weed getting smoked? Not a lot, actually. It was more Tonias, which is their local beer. It's just like water beer. Water beer? I mean, it's pretty much water. It's just cold.

Oh, like really weak beer? Yeah, super weak beer, but it's so good after you It's just cold. Oh, like really weak beer? Yeah, it's super weak beer. But it's so good after you're like swimming all day. Right. But no, just like, just all of us were so different. But we all like, at the end of the day, we're so similar. Like, and it's still, close to my mind is 2024. And people still, there's still racism.

And like, well, like, I'm like, hurry? It's really popular. Like, no, I thought that shit was like stonewashed denim. It was going to go away. But apparently here it is. Yeah, it's next popular like I thought that shit was like stonewashed denim and it was going to go away but apparently here it is yeah it's next it's all back again but I'm telling you like if you get kids to travel

I think it's so important for them to see the world yeah meet people from other yeah it's hard though I mean travel is a

luxury it kind of is it is you know that's always a hard one to talk about too because I'm such a promoter of traveling and stuff

and then my I have some friends that are like that's such a such a privilege i'm like i know i know but then if you there's opportunities though for kids out there for like scholarships and for there's especially for native kids man we get so much free stuff yeah but like if you like maybe that's a bad thing that whatever but we get a lot of work like a lot of things thrown at us. And man, when I was young, I would raise my hand all the time. Like, I'll go to Texas. I don't even know why I went. I've been to Texas a lot.

And a lot of times I don't know why I went. I mean, nowadays I kind of. But here's the thing. You know, the popping bug balls thing that you had about that. Because it was a real surge of juvenile or or young people i had 12 kids in my class and seven died by suicide was there any connection is there any connection to drugs with that yeah yeah is it downers is it like oxycontin and stuff i know i think well i i don't know i am so oblivious when it comes to drugs but but it's a lot of alcohol for sure

sure yeah it's a drug yeah and then it's a real killer too i'm pretty sure like so many so much undiagnosed mental health like just like a lot of kids with depression yeah we don't have therapists like we have well like you have your auntie but and you're not gonna go spill your guts to your auntie but so there's just a lot of... Therapy is an interesting call. I've tried a lot of therapy. You ever been in therapy? Yeah, I did. I was forced to go when I was younger.

I was odd. But I'm so happy that I went. My parents... I was in seventh grade and I started going. I would fly to the city, though. Again, I was so lucky growing up to have a family. Your dad had these airplanes. And so I was able to go and... Just to the city, though. Again, I was so lucky growing up to have a family. Your dad had these airplanes. And so I was able to go and...

Just to be clear, though, the airplanes we're talking about, we're not talking about you having these jets. No, these are little... These are Alaskan bush pilot Rattlers. They're like little seven-seaters. And then we had some 12-seaters and caravans and stuff. The Cessna Caravan? Yeah.

One of the finest airplanes ever. I love that airplane. It's so girthy and strong. It's the SUV of the the finest airplanes ever I love that airplane it's so girthy and like strong it's the SUV of the sky yeah I love it

it is it's a fantastic airplane did you ever fly in a TBM 700 was that your no no no I was like

is that a trick question no no no TBM 700 it's a it's got a PT6A engine so it's the same engine pretty much as the Cessna Caravan.

But it's like, you know, six seats. It's a rocket ship. Is it? That's amazing. Have you flown in an Albatross? An actual Albatross bird? No, like that plane, like it lands on the water on its belly. No, have you done that?

That one is, yeah, that one was my, it's my favorite. It's so fun. Like my buddy has one in Utah and you'll like strip out the seats and just put a disco ball. It's a party plane. I don't know if I like the idea of a party plane. But no, that's a fun one. But okay, I need to clear this up. So everyone assumes because I'm flying Wild Alaska that I'm like, I know everything about airplanes.

I know nothing. Oh, you got it. You sold it out, right? Oh, yeah. I can fly and stuff. But then like when it comes to like my sister's flight, like my little sister flies helicopters and like caravans and all this stuff. She's like the good pilot of the family. I just like I have my little private license, but people just assume that I'm like

an awesome pilot. And I'm like, don't ask me any more questions. You know, it's kind of, I haven't flown a plane in quite a while. When was the last time you flew? You know, I had got in a little RV6, you know what they are? It's like a tricycle gear, a tail dragger, really. Oh, cool. Yeah, and it's like a kit plane, two-seater. Like an ultralight type? No, it's bigger than that.

It's pretty fast, but I was flying it around Scotland. Oh, cool. Oh, that would be fun. We should get current. Yeah, we should get current. Well, current means that we have to get medical, right? Yep. So you'll have to wait until...

My fingers. You'll also have to let Nicaragua wear off a little bit, I think. You know what I'm saying? Shh. You need to get your medical and then... Three take-offs and landings. Three take-offs and landings. And then for night, you have to do three take-offs and landings at night.

And that'd probably be it, wouldn't it? That sounds doable. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. It's such a good thing to have, though, just to be able to go up for a couple hours.

So good for your, like, for me, it's so peaceful up there. It's a different kind of meditation, flying an airplane on your own. On your own. It's a weird thing, isn't it? It is. And, yeah, it's like, oh, man, I'm in control right now of my life. Yeah. It's like there's no one I can't get.

You know, there's nothing I can do. It's like it's all on me right now. Yeah. And so, yeah, I want to get current. I need to. I was just in Florida doing this drone course, part 107. Now, in order to fly a drone and get paid, you have to have this certificate.

So the FAA knows. If you, like, say you post something on social media, and a lot of people, like, when they're mountain biking or skiing or something, if they have a drone and they're flying it, and then they're sponsored by, like, I don't know, they're sponsored by a shoe company or whatever, and you post it, like, you legally could get fined. they're sponsored by like i don't know they're sponsored by a shoe company or whatever right and you post it like you legally could get fined so if you yeah if you accept money as a drone right i

get it so it's like a commercial pilot's license but for drone it yeah okay yeah uh probably a bit easier than a commercial pilot's license it just it's like your ground school like there's a lot of rules a lot lot of learning about all the different class airspaces. I imagine that's a big one because people flying drones near airports. Yeah. Come on.

Yeah. That's not clever. Yeah. Ridiculous. It is ridiculous. I'm so angry about it. I know. Are you having fun with this podcast?

Yeah. I wasn't sure for a little bit at first because everybody has a podcast. But as long as I keep it to, and I've got this really strict rule about guests. I only have guests if I want to talk to them. If you're doing a late night show, if you're doing an hour every night,

two guests a night, five nights a week, you're going to talk to a lot of people that you don't really fucking care about yeah yeah but but one show one one hour a week doing this yeah i can keep it to just people i want to talk to and i think it makes a difference to the conversations as well oh yeah did you what made you pick joy? The word. It was because everyone's so mad right now. Everyone's so angry. And I kind of like, I have this thing, and I've been talking to Megan about it too.

Your friend, my wife, Megan. I'm also friendly with her. But she's your friend. But the news, any news that you get, I'm talking any news outlet, even the reputable ones, like the big, everything. Everything seems to be so based in fear. Like the hyperbole of any news report.

Even the fucking weather. You know, you can't even say, oh, there's a cold front coming in, so get your jacket. You know, it's like, the storm it's like the storm watch danger to life you go it's gonna rain yeah sometimes it's a real storm then you have to say that but if you say that for every piece of weather then nobody's gonna listen yeah or or it seems like everything's gone crazy everything's so dire like everything's just to get people's attention because you know because the nature of it's not like you buy a newspaper and then

everything in it you own and you can read it when you want it's like unless you engage with the click it has no value to the person that's putting it out so you have to go to it so if you look at the the news outlets they're they're so hyperbolic they're so frightening that i i wanted to not do that i wanted to try and find something that was at least a little bit in the opposite direction like a lighter change of course a little bit not necessarily lighter i don't i don't think it has to be frivolous, but here's a flying analogy. So if you start off from an airport and you're two degrees off course, right? So at five miles from the airport, two degrees off, it's no big deal. You just correct it and you're back on course.

If you stay off course, it keeps going and going. And now, you know, you've been flying for an hour. Now you're 500 miles from where you're meant to be and you're running out of gas. Yeah, done that before. Yeah.

And that's what I wanted to do. It's not a big correction, but just a little correction. Just like, you know, we talked today about difficult things. We talked about your dad, talked about grief, talked about these are all things we talked about your dad, talked about grief. These are all things we talk about,

but we talk about them in a conversation, not in a way to try and get people to give us money. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's kind of what it is, I think. Look, I get paid for this, but it ain't much. I bet you're learning a lot so much too about just humanity. Do you think you are?

Yeah, I think... Do you feel like you still have a lot to learn? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think that I also... It's a different kind of thing because part of the aging process, I think, is one thing you've got to combat,

apart from looking like Santa, is also the feeling that you know everything. Because you'll run into a bunch of people, I run into people a lot who I think, oh yeah, I've done that and I didn't like it. Do you know what I mean? So you have accumulated experiences. And the danger is to,

especially if you have kids, I think, is to assume that you know more than them. I remember Milo, when he was about about early teens saying to me, I was trying to get him to do something that he wasn't interested in boxing or something. And he was like, look, this might be a good skill to have if it's Scotland in 1972, but it's not Scotland and it's not 1972. So whatever you're trying to teach me, I don't need that.

And I was like, hmm, yeah, I guess you're right. So I think that, am I learning things? Yeah, I think I am. But I'm having conversations that matter to me. Yeah. You know, like this one. Yeah. You know, I talk to people that i and

i've talked to people that i didn't know and suddenly i'm like oh right that's i really didn't know that so yeah i guess to answer your question yeah i'm learning yeah i thought at like yeah i definitely thought by now i'd have a lot more things figured out yeah i think i think people think that all the way to the end yeah just, just like, man, I still don't know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing. I sort of know what I'm doing. But I'm like, yeah, even like taxes or just stuff like that. I'm like, yeah, I think I was so sheltered just again because my parents,

they just did so much. And now I'm just like, Jesus, I am so behind on a lot of things. Yeah, you have to do your taxes. Yeah, you have to do your taxes. Yeah, you got to do your taxes. I know. But you see, the thing is,

I don't do mine. Yeah. But I do have a guy that I pay him. Yeah. He doesn't do it for nothing. He doesn't go, hey,

I'll do your taxes because, you know, I liked you on TV. Yeah, but not even just taxes, just like relationships or like all the stuff.

Like, they're hard. And then, there's so many amazing people out there. Like how are you supposed to just pick one person? Well, maybe you're not. Maybe that's not for you. Yeah, or like kids. Everyone's like, you're going to want kids.

I'm like, I don't think so. Well, if you don't, you don't. You know, I mean, it's okay. That's other people's shit, you know. I think that you've got to try and live an authentic life. It's very difficult. I felt this very much when I was in the thralls of the corporate machine. I mean, look, I'm not going to lie to you.

Even this podcast is owned by a corporate entity, I'm sure. I don't ever see anybody, but if I got into trouble, I'm sure they'd fucking ditch me in a heartbeat. But in the corporate world I always felt there it was like it was like you were in the court of some fucking mad Austrian emperor and there was a a set of you know you know manners that you must follow like you've got to have kids by then you got to like this kind of sport you've got to wear these kind of pants you've got to do and I was like I can't fucking do it yeah you know

and what you what you start to realize what I started to realize is that the people I gravitate towards have the same difficulties when I was 36 years old I had no fucking idea what I wanted to do I'm nearly 62 I have no fucking idea what I wanted to do. Okay, that's a relief. Let yourself off the fucker. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. People telling you how to be. You don't want kids to have kids. Yeah. You want kids to have kids.

Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. But if you have them, it cuts down on your nighttime surfing. My nighttime surfing, yeah. Yeah. I got a van. So now I want...

Well, there you are. Yeah. See, I'm just going to live in... That's training wheels. Get a van and then a puppy, then kids. I see. Right. And maybe a plant someday.

Yeah, a plant. A plant along the way. Yeah. But, yeah, other than that, so. Also, with kids, you know. They're a lot. It's a lot of work. Yeah, I watch my friends for like an hour and I like age 20 years.

I'm like, oh my God, how do you guys do it all the time? You know, the ones that get me is when you see the single moms. Single moms with like two or three kids. I'm like, I have a fucking idea. How do you do that? It's like a, like,

and they have jobs and they work. And that's when people are kind of like, I'm like, this idea, the intensity of the workload of that. That's insane. Yeah. I'm like,

I can barely take care of myself. And then I'm like supposed to take care of another. I know. And I'm like, I'm good. And I think I'm too selfish. I like my freedom. I like just being able to get up and get on a train to New York.

Yeah. I don't know. It seems like it would be so constricting. Well, it is, but it's worth it. I mean, look, I don't regret it for a heartbeat. Oh, yeah. But I do. It is what it is. Yeah.

You know, it's like, I can't imagine my life without my sons. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love your kids. Yeah, I'm kind of fond of them too. But, you know, but I don't expect them to be me, you know. And look, you know, we started when we were talking about your dad I really got a very strong sense for your dad that he was like be who you are yeah do your thing that's he was a best dad he was so he made me believe that I could be in the NBA like when I told him goals and dreams

of mine like that was our one of our big things like I love telling him like goals that I want to set or and he was so supportive but there, there was a time where I definitely thought I was going to be in the NBA. And he made me believe it. But yeah, my favorite thing to do is to make him in awe. Even to go to Scotland with Craig. He's like, how the heck did this happen? But to fascinate him. I love fascinating him and then calling him from the jungle.

And that's like my last tattoo is his handwriting. Because every time we like hung up on the phone, he'd be like, okay, careful, it's a jungle out there. And so his last Valentine's Day card to me, he wrote that. And so I have it in his handwriting. But I just call him every day and he's like, okay, where in the world are you? And then just to tell him stories. That's what I miss the most, I think, is just call him every day and he's like, hey, where in the world are you? And then just to tell him stories, that's what I miss the most, I think, is just calling him all the time.

And just trying to, not impress him, but just trying to, because he didn't get to travel a lot. He's a Minnesota farm boy that ended up in the village. He's a Minnesota farm boy that ended up a fucking badass Alaskan bush party. Yeah, isn't that, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't sell him short. Oh, yeah.

No, I mean, that's amazing. He created this, like, the most beautiful, like, amazing company. And, like, yeah. But that's, everyone's like, where did you get your, like, sense of, like, wonder or, like, adventure? And I'm like, shit, it was my dad. Yeah. Like, he left his whole family and ended up in the middle of nowhere Alaska and

like yeah and so I was like oh man I got it from him yeah and you know what I still kind of every now and again I can't call my parents on the telephone but I still kind of think about them when something happens like usually like when the with now, it's usually with the kids. I'm like, you see this? You see this? Like, you know, my dad didn't own a pair of shoes until he was 11 years old. And then, you know, I mean, it's like the difference from that to, you know, where my kids are, that's one, you know, this is grandchildren.

Yeah, so crazy. Yeah, it's all right. You don't stop's alright they don't you don't stop that I don't think you can still you still impress them I think

yeah hopefully well you impressed the shit out of me anyway thank you we'll stop this now perfect right before I'm about to lose it

and then we'll go and meet Megan and you two can have your 24 hour alcohol brunch yay mimosas no you'll have to join us too we'll have a good dinner or something no I want no part of this go and meet Megan and you two can have your 24-hour alcohol brunch. Mimosas.

No, you'll have to join us too. We'll have a good dinner or something. No, no. I want no part of this. I'm going to just, I'm going to wait until you're at the hangover stage and then come back and judge you both.

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