Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Bishop Briggs

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Meet Bishop Briggs, a British-American singer and songwriter. Her single "River" peaked at number 3 on the US Alternative Chart and has been streamed more than 485 million times on Spotify. Listen to Bishop Briggs and Craig discuss her musical career, having kids and their special Scottish connection. This one is not to be missed. EnJOY and go listen her music now! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please welcome today an artist who is emerging as one of the most important, powerful young voices in her field. She's also, well, she's not Scottish, but she's Scottish. You'll see. Bishop Briggs. What I'm fascinated by, because you work under the name Bishop Briggs, right? And of course, what many people outside of Scotland may not know is Bishop Briggs is a little town in Scotland. It is.

It's very, very close to where I grew up. And I think I'm probably about the same age as your parents. Right. Because I'm 61. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Do I know them? Well, they said the name of, when I, this is so like having parents that don't live in the US,

but I sent them a message through WhatsApp about this and they're like, oh, he lives in, starts with a P. He's from prison. Prison. He's from prison. Stay away. He's from prison. No, no, Sarah, you must stay away from him. I'm telling you.

I'm telling you he's been to prison. No, I was Sarah, you must stay away from him because he's been to prison. No, I was from Springburn. Okay. There's a P in there. There is a P. The second letter. The second letter is P. I can't believe you didn't get that from what I said. I did kind of. I knew where I was from even before you started talking,

so it wasn't a big deal for me. You're smart. You didn't grow up in Scotland though, did you? No. It's a shame because I think you've got a very Scottish accent. Do you go there a lot? Do your parents still take you there?

Yeah. That's where I grew up going and my whole family still lives in Scotland. In Bishop Riggs? Yeah. But my mum and dad actually live in Hong Kong currently. Just to make things a little spicy. Your parents sound very international. Yes. Did you grow up very internationally? Is that what happened? Okay, so I was born,

it's just going to get very confusing, but I was born in London. Okay. And then I, when I was four, moved to Japan, not on my own. That would be a bit strange. Although have you ever seen that thing in Japanese TV where they let four year old kids walk kids walk around I know isn't that beautiful that is a great way to describe growing up there I will say really yeah just so safe and like just amazing culture and I didn't go to Japan until I was god I don't know like 50 years old or something but if I had gone to Japan when I was young I wouldn't have come back I'd have gone I'd stayed it's a dream it's. Yeah, so I lived there for six years and then Hong Kong eight years. So my mom and dad are still there. All right.

What is it? Why are they there? What are they up to? Yeah. Are they spies? Well, my dad is very charming. And he does have a gold chain that he wears every day. Right.

Okay. But no, it was just some... Am I your dad? I may be your dad. It's so weird because you do look like everyone in my family. Of course I do. Yeah, I'm Scorsese. Yes. And that's why, and I think you'll understand this too. I think sometimes people are like, oh my gosh, you'll get along so well. Like what a great connection, which is true.

But you put them in this category of family yeah very quickly yeah um so you overshare which is perfect for today well it's i'm not gonna make you overshare i don't i don't want you to feel don't you don't feel guarded you're not making me overshare your freckles are oh yeah you know what i mean like the features are yeah i think when you get into your 60s they're not fre freckles anymore. I think they're just like, they're age. It's not, freckle is a young person's game. And I think now it's just like liver spots and stuff. Oh my God. You have a very dramatic and big sound as an artist. You're very intensely emotional. Your music is very emotional and very powerful. And I wondered if there was any influence from Scotland in the sense that my mum and dad were obsessed with music right and so we would go to karaoke bars which at the time wasn't weird being in a bar at that age but no I still think karaoke is okay yeah right yeah yeah yeah um and so that's where really where like I

became obsessed with music and and got really into Motown music. And yeah, and there was like this gospel choir teacher that appeared at my school. That kind of makes sense with how you ended up as an artist or where you are right now as an artist anyway, because you are very, it's big. It's like, it's almost religious, the stuff you do, isn't it? So I played a show in Scotland. Right. I want to remember the place really small place but it's so iconic like every um and touch wah-wah-ha there you go yeah yeah yeah that's the place yes

yeah every like famous comedian has played there yeah everybody yes and but what i didn't know and my dad told me after because of course you know he came to the show which i'm so glad for um was it's quite an infamous place where they will tell you if they don't like you well in glasgow they'll tell you they will tell you sure um and just when you were asking if there was any influence from scotland i was performing this is like the first song and there's a little bit of a build-up i hear the crowd yeah saying something but i don't recognize what they're saying it's not a lyric it's sort of like in between each lyric and they're

going here we here we here we fucking go okay obsessed and anyways i will say that energy yeah of like we're gonna give our all we're to put it all on the table. We are super present. That I really relate to in terms of music. I feel that. That's a great description of a Scottish audience as well. I started out when I was doing stand up with Scottish audiences. And the thing is about it is what you describe is perfectly accurate. It's about how present they are. so it's not that they're tough right it's just that they won't let you get away with it they're there yes and they will be participating in the show so you better be as well yes 100 and and i think that it's it's a fascinating place i don't live there uh anymore yeah um i live in Hong Kong. Where do you live now?

I live in LA. Oh, in Los Angeles. What about you? I lived in Los Angeles for 23 years. Okay, yeah. Have you heard of a place called New York? No. It's a little town on the East Coast.

It's kind of a fishing village. Sounds interesting. If you like the smell of weed and pee pee oh I do weed and pee pee that's actually what I felt when I hugged you I said oh weed and pee pee oh no way fuck come on I'm no longer your father

I don't have a daughter anymore weed and pee pee first of all I haven't smoked weed in years Do you smoke weed? I don't Oh no I've done it

Okay I'll tell you something quick Okay I went to the dentist Which is the first mistake Why? Don't go Don't go I know I go a lot

Well Yeah Same Now But you're Scottish It's a kind of thing So I go to the dentist and they're like, okay, amazing.

So how long have you been chain smoking for? Oh, what? Yes. And I'm a vocalist. Not that that excuses anything, but so I was never into cigarettes, never smoked weed. I was like, this is my thing.

I need to protect my vocals. But it really is like British teeth, Scottish, you know, it's a thing. Do you have a baby? Yeah. Was it after you were pregnant? Yes. Yeah, it's a pregnancy. You're kidding.

No, it happened to my wife too. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it? I don't know. There's something, it affects your teeth, I think, sometimes, some women. And my wife, she's not Scottish, but her background is Scottish, like you. Yes. And when our youngest was born, because she's got like American teeth.

Right. And she had to get, like, she had cavities for the first time and had to get her wisdom teeth out and all that stuff. Okay. So it's the baby. It's nothing to do with smoking. It's not Scottish teeth. Okay. Yeah.

How old is your baby? Needless to say, he's a year and a half. Oh, my God. I know. He's so cute. Are you getting any sleep? No. No. No. Well, honestly, right at this exact moment i'm not because do you know about this thing well it's it's way too boring i definitely don't want to talk about it but it's the 20 month sleep regression it's like this

infamous thing is this anything it sounds familiar i don't i didn't know there was a name for it but i have two children okay growing they're growing up, the youngest one's 13, but they're still growing up. There was a reason I was going to bring up the teeth, though. It was related to something. Because your baby's teething, maybe? Is that what's happening? No, it was before the child. It was chain smoking and weed.

I was listening. There you go. I have your father, but I still listen to you. But when he asked that, instead of being like, oh no, I don't do those things. I was like, I've smoked the weed three times in my life. And so unnecessary. And you could see he was just like, I'm going to vomit. This is way too much information.

So I have done it three times in my life. And I cleaned my apartment during it. And it was a very very very positive experience I did not care for weed at all I mean I took all the drugs and and the drink I took it all and uh and I hated weed the most weed really weed and speed were the two that I hated oh my god I want to know all I want to know all your stories because I've never done drugs you know what I I think now I think that is by far like when I was doing drugs I haven't done drugs. You know what? I think now, I think that is by far, like when I was doing drugs, I haven't done drugs in alcohol in 32 years.

Wow. Right? Yeah. So I was younger than you are now when I quit. Right. And there was no fentanyl when I was a kid. That's what I was going to say. Right.

So there wasn't like that. It's so scary now. Oh my God. Like just, you'd take it and you're dead? Right. No, I think I would have, I don't know if I'd have made it through that. Right. Because you just take crap that's lying around.

Terrifying. Yeah, it's awful. So I'm glad to hear you don't do drugs. Me and your father and your mother, because we've all been talking on WhatsApp. Exactly. We're on a WhatsApp group chat. We all, you know, say it's coming in. Oh my God.

And we want to find out. They don't call you Bishop, do they? Well, you know, Sarah's coming in. Oh my God. We want to find out. They don't call you Bishop, do they? No, they call me Sarah. Yeah. So my full name is Sarah McLaughlin. I knew that. Which can't use. Yeah, of course.

The arms of the North. That was beautiful. Yeah, it's a lovely song. Feels like I'm there. Yeah. Oh, thanks. It was just like it, wasn't it? Really was.

You are a fucking Scottish girl. You've got a fucking attitude of a Scottish girl. You got away with nothing. Oh a Scottish girl you got away with nothing I got away with nothing because we're going home oh my gosh right so so you don't do the drugs

and you don't do the drinks because you said my mom and dad are listening right so yeah never done no but I actually haven't I haven't I don't get that vibe from you were you drawn into music right away

because you said like your parents were obsessed with music yes people of especially Glaswegians, Bishop Briggs, of our generation, me and your parents' generation, the music was everything. Yes. Everything. It was all music all the time.

Right. And American music, mostly. And the shows that my dad went to, he was like, oh, Led Zeppelin came through. I'm like, what? It was just incredible. Right, right. Yes, yes. That's where he went.

Yeah. I saw Queen there like three times on the Sheer Heart Attack album. I mean, it's like right at the beginning. I saw The Clash there. I mean, it's nuts. So did my dad. So did my dad. I mean, if you...

Oh, my God. That would be crazy. I'd love to meet your dad. We'd probably have to. Especially if he's charming with a gold chain he is I bet you I know him well his nickname

is Cheeky Charlie wait Cheeky Charlie from Bishop Briggs I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I know Cheeky Charlie from Bishop

I might even owe him money I know you're joking but there's a part of it that feels real it does feel real this is what's freaking me the fuck out. I think, look, I bet, ask your dad, like, ask your mom and dad, did they go to Maestro's?

Maestro's is another club they would have gone to. Oh, my God. I bet you. You are saying things that are really ringing a bell because that's one of the places that they went to together. I performed there with an actor from bishop briggs what yeah you know the actor peter capaldi yes well peter's from bishop briggs oh i didn't know that and i were in a band together when we were 18 19 years old as a drummer peter was a singer peter's from bishop briggs and i'm from i grew up in common all but i'm Springburn. And my mom used to work for his dad at the ice cream place.

Oh, my God. I know. Anyway, so we used to perform there. So I bet Cheeky Charlie v. Bishop Briggs saw us performing. Oh, my God. A hundred percent. Yeah, that's crazy. Wow.

It's really interesting, too. Like, I was just listening to something on the way over. What was it? I don't know why I can't reveal it. Why am I not going the way over. What was it? I don't know why I can't reveal it. Why am I not going to reveal it? What was it? That's because you've got a baby. No, it's this very provocative sort of fun podcast called The Cancelled Podcast.

All right. They were talking about really finding their way with being on stage. Right. And these two people, you know, they've kind of turned into moguls, but they really at their core are entertainers, you know?

So even if it's just them talking on a stage, you know, people are, they're, they're drawn in and they were talking about different things that they did growing up, you know, even like 18 onwards,

whatever, um, different things they did to find what they liked to do, but it actually was all under the umbrella of entertaining. And some of it felt, oh, I don't know why I don't really like this feeling. And it's just interesting where your life took you and what you, you know, you're on stage playing drums.

Right. But you do comedy, but you do a talk show. You know, it's like, but you find your, but you do a talk show. But you find your thing as you go. You do. I think though that I was talking to someone about this recently actually, because I've never been able to define what I do. I don't really do, I do whatever I do. Basically I guess it goes back to stand up and really stand up, I think stand up is a musician's discipline. Like true stand ups. I'm not talking about, I think stand-up is a musician's discipline.

Like true stand-ups, I'm not talking about, there's a different type of stand-up now, there's short form, like 45 second stuff on social media and it's not any less valid, it's just a different thing. Different thing, yeah. But what I do is a kind of long form live thing, that's what I do. Yes. And it has a, I do it like a show and a lot of stand-ups you know old-timey stand-ups that that i'm friends with jay leno uh or you know people who who do it like that they think like musicians robin williams always say that as well it's like jazz

so it's jazz you know you just you do your thing. Did you watch his documentary? I did not, but I. Oh, it's so good. But we were, we were friends. Okay. It will, it's very inspiring. Yeah. He was very inspiring, man. Yeah.

Were you interested in comedy at all? Comedy? No. No. Well, I didn't even think to. Well, it's, I don't know. If you grew up in Japan, it's not, is it culturally a thing in Japan? Would you see it?

Do you speak Japanese? Okay. So in Japan, I just relied on cuteness. You know, that's how I got around. Cute, cute. So I didn't have to do anything. In Hong Kong, I learned Mandarin and Cantonese. Okay.

And studied French. So a bit all over the place. Oh, I think that's good. What I was going to say though, and I wonder if you feel this too, it's very humbling when your whole family's from Scotland because you don't actually think you're funny because everyone is everyone's funny everyone is funny and also like at times 10

times funnier and they're like no I work at the bakery yeah you know what I mean so I'm impressed that you you I know exactly the area that you're from. Right. And I'm impressed that you still, you know, went forward. Yeah. You know? Well, I just, I ran away. That's what it was. I fucked off because everybody else was funnier. Smart.

Yeah. Yeah. Lewis Capaldi. Lewis Capaldi, who's Peter's nephew. Everybody's related. Like, you're my daughter. I mean, well, stepdaughter. Lewis is my brother. Yeah, yeah daughter I mean Well Louis is my brother

Yeah I mean it's like It's all It's all It's all part of the same There's only 5 million Scottish people Right And that's enough though

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the whole angle of like Queen, Janis Joplin, Mick Jagger. You know, it's like there was still that performative aspect. I've never seen you live. Oh, I do have to come to a show. Yeah, I would love to come to a show. Well, I go crazy on stage.

Do you really? Oh, yeah. I'm running non-stop jumping up and down, like laying on the ground. I love it. I love it. Going crazy. Yeah. You know, I worked with Mick Jagger for a while. What?

Yeah, we were writing. Did I know this? Yeah. Well, I've got to tell you the story because it's about performance. So we were writing a screenplay together for a movie that was never made. But during the Bridges to Babylon tour, I was on tour with Mick and we were writing during the day. It's tour, I was on tour with Meg and we were writing during the day. That's true.

Stop. Yeah. So the first time I met him, I was in Istanbul. And he said, well, come to the show tonight and you can see the, because I'm going to, it's just a show, but you get an idea for it down the front. And I was like, all right. So I went to the show and I was down the front and jeez I mean what a performer yeah yeah he really threw down and it was unbelievable and then after I was talking to him we went out for dinner stuff and I said wow you really threw down tonight yeah it was just

a midweek show yes and he said I have it's always stayed with me and I want you to always remember this he always said no one ever paid money to see someone who was shy that is so good is that fucking great and he's like because he's not he's not running around like crazy when he's not on stage he's an intelligent thoughtful clever human being but when he's out there oh my god yes i i don't know if this is a Scottish thing or if this is just a human thing, but I definitely, or maybe just being creative, but I definitely always have that urgency to prove, you know, and even if like the proving, it's not necessarily validation. It's like proving that like we are in sync, you know, like that we're having, we're sharing a human experience or like i'm i don't know something no i think you're right i think it's an emotional desperation right i think it's an existential crisis actually at it's i'm not kidding i mean the no i'm laughing because i'm like yeah i think so i think i think that describes it perfectly like the the most alive i ever feel

is like when you're on a stage doesn't matter it can be a huge stage or it can be a tiny stage. But when I'm in tune with the audience and when it's working. Oh, my God. And they're laughing and I'm laughing. And it's the same. I've talked to musicians about it. It's the same thing. You get into that area where information is coming in from not you.

Yes, yes, yes. Something else is happening. I always feel that. Isn't that strange like I think athletes call it the zone and all that there's something weird about it it's funny because I love a good um athlete documentary yeah because I really feel like and which is crazy but I do feel as though I can relate to that headspace of like no matter what your day has been right you have to mentally put that to the side

and you know finally step into joy especially with like you know with what we're just describing and that shift you know that focus you know and it's beautiful because it because it's it's where you can be okay yeah yes yes you know when people say how could he go on stage when that terrible thing happens you go i, I totally understand. Where else are you going to fucking go? Right. You know, it's like if you feel so bad. Yes.

You know, you have to do something. You've had a tragedy in your life. I have a tragedy. I mean, it's like, what the fuck do you do with that? Right, 100%. Yeah, and it's like you have to, it's relief almost. Yes, and the people that have gone to the show, not the people that are talking about it.

The people that have gone to the show are like, oh, I'm so glad you did that. Like, I'm so glad we got to just have a moment, take a breather and like actually be better in society now. Are you familiar with a comedian called Tig Notaro? Oh, it rings a bell. Tig Notaro is a great comedian. She's really, really proper, real stand up.

Oh, I feel like I've seen some little clips. You might have probably online and stuff like that. She's very famous. But Tig got a cancer diagnosis during the day one day and she went up, she's famous for this, she went up and did a show that night and talked about it that night. And I mean, she's on the other side of it and stuff like that. But she came very faint. It was a big moment for her in her career talking. But I totally understand why she did it. I totally get it. People are like, how could she do that?

Like, I get why she did. I mean, God forbid I should ever have to do it like that. But I get why she did it. And it was interesting. My husband is in music as well. And so we have these certain days we both have writing sessions separately. And where you work with a producer you work with. And there was one particular artist that he was supposed to write with for her project.

And she canceled because of mental health. She was having a tough mental health day right and we were talking about how if we like we're doing this because our mental health is so poor yeah that's right that's the only reason i'm a fucking stand-up right every day is a tough mental health exactly and so you know i i really felt for that artist just i want to say that straight away, but it was really interesting, just the discussion that we both had after of like, it's actually, as much as it's difficult to get up and go to said session, it's so healing once you're there, and I feel that way with stage as well. The build-up to doing that is so difficult, and then when you're there, I feel such a sense of feeling understood. Yeah, or I am where I'm meant to be in the universe.

Yes, yes. Are you a religious person? I would say I'm more spiritual. Right, okay, so you're not churchy, but you're God-conscious in some way? Right, well, you know, it's very Scottish-Irish Catholicism. Oh, sure, yeah. But I definitely have learned from other people's experiences and I'm like, okay, I did not experience that.

You know, where it sort of, there's a lot of guilt, like deep-seated guilt. Yeah, you probably escaped a bit of that being with Cheeky Charlie from Bishop Briggs in Hong Kong. It's funny you say that because it really was all Cheeky Charlie.

Yeah. Yeah, it was. I bet, good for him. Yeah. Are you still close with your parents? Yeah, of course. I mean, I tell them every day. I'm obsessed with them.

Yeah. That's fantastic. Yeah, they're the best. Yeah, they did tell me that in the WhatsApp group. Oh, they did, yeah. I do like the idea of me being on a WhatsApp group with your mom and dad. I do, too. I do, too.

And by the way, my child, I'll show you a picture after, but bright blue eyes, the rosiest, rosiest cheeks and the palest skin. And I'm like, that's my Uncle Joe. Both my boys. Really? Yeah. It brings me so much joy because it just looks like who you grew up with. Here's the thing about your music then. Did it change when you became a parent?

Oh, you know, honestly, I honestly I think hmm I'm not sure there was so much that happened before I became a mom that almost like becoming a mom was like I can finally breathe right so I don't know you know I don't know if that was the thing that changed it yeah I mean and also it it's also, your kid is what? A year and a half. A year and a half. It's early to know. I mean, these are big life shifts.

I mean, I'm curious your answer, first of all. Okay. What's your answer to that? When I became a parent? Yeah. It was a complete story for me. I became a different person. It was as significant in my life, but not in the first day.

It wasn't like that day. But the two biggest shifts in my life were getting sober when I was 29. And then when my first son was born when I was 38. And I was like, within about six months or something, I was like, oh, it's different. It helps you prioritize. Yeah. Well, you go from being the star in the movie of your own life to being an extra in a movie of somebody else's life. You're a supporting player now. You're no longer Cheeky Charlie. I know.

You're Bishop Briggs's mom yeah dad mom and dad mom and dad yes there was something i was going to tell you there about what you're describing with oh you know i mean i'm curious if you feel this way too but i found it affected my tolerance for any negative relationships in my life because now I felt like I was an example, you know, to, to this little person where it was like, you're not, I also think I saw like a different softness in myself. Now I had a little bit more like kindness for myself. So when someone, you know, wasn't super kind to me, I'd be like, Hey, like I'm a kind person. Like I now see myself as a mom, you know, so I now have like a deeper understanding of what that all means, you know wasn't super kind to me i'd be like hey like i'm a kind person like i now see myself as a

mom you know so i now have like a deeper understanding of what that all means you know i think so i think it it gives look it's not for everybody i you know the people that don't have kids and do fine but i i don't know who i would be without oh same having experienced that i don't know what it would be. Maybe I'd be something. I did notice this though. Here's my theory. Most great philosophers don't have kids.

I know. Well, that they know of. Well, no. Is that a bit provocative? Well, no, I think they didn't. They weren't present. Yeah. Because they're always thinking about themselves.

Okay. Fucking show up in here and go fuck yourself. Fuck yourself, Kierkegaard. Okay, but here's the thing. Fucking show up in here and go fuck yourself. Fuck yourself, Kierkegaard. Okay, but here's the thing. Have you ever been in a conversation with someone and they're like, I don't want to have kids. And there's someone in the group that's like, oh my God, you would love it. And I'm like, they know themselves better than we do. Yeah.

They really do. I think it's one thing if someone's like, there's room in the conversation depending on what it is. Sure. But when someone tells me, I don't want to have kids, I've never saw that for myself. I'm like, absolutely. Totally. You do your thing. Yeah.

It's not for everyone. No. But yeah, I definitely sensed a shift with becoming. Yeah. Yeah. Did it prior, I mean, if it didn't have any effect on you creative, or you're not aware of it having an effect on you creatively maybe yet. Well, because I feel that thing that you described of like, it's an outer body experience.

Right. So it's hard for me to say, you know, in that realm, what it affects. But I know that in the business side, it affects priorities. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Well, that's why I ended up doing a fucking late night show because i was getting divorced from my son's mom and i was like i i can't be out of town i need it i need a gig which is in la i didn't know that i love that that's why i ended up doing

the fucking late night show i never want to be a fucking late... What do I know about late night television? I'm from fucking Glasgow. But I was here, and I'm like, I need a gig. But it's interesting because that's... It doesn't take me out of town. But what your perspective is on that, of like, what am I doing here? It's funny because that's what connects it

because then everyone can see a little bit of themselves in you. You know? Yeah. It's interesting. It is. So here's my prediction for you, by the way. If it hasn't already happened. I didn't know you were a psychic.

Oh, yeah, I'm a psychic. Have you been asked to do a song for a James Bond movie yet? Oh, my God. That is my goal. Oh, my God. It's so obvious that you have to do it. Thank you so much. That is 100% my goal.

Really? Yes. Of course. Of course. i love that i love that for you because it feels like like the big kind of uh shirley bassey yes yes my dad used to always say shirley bassey oh it's all women he loved shirley bassey i love shirley bassey oh my god that's so funny goldfinger oh my god will you do me a favour will you cover that song yes

oh my gosh maybe that's the start of everything well if you are psychic I should start with that well yeah maybe

I mean I don't know what they're going to do with Bond because they killed him in the last one so they're going to have to well see I have well I'm psychic as well

oh I knew you were going to say that I also have a prediction which is I think that they should make a Bond movie that's just about the women. Like they're the, obviously it's all about the women, you know, of course,

you've seen the movies, but I'm just saying they are really like leading the way. I could just see that happening. I don't know. I can see it happening too. I've been trying to write a song with that in mind. Write a song for a Bond movie that hasn't yet been made. I fucking love that.

Trying. Yeah. You'll do it. It's fine. Clearly you're qualified. It's fine. Are you very instrumental? What do you work on?

What do you write on? I play piano. Right. Yeah. But it's very sad chords. There isn't a lot of happy chords. A lot of black keys? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You got to use the black keys. Because the white keys are the... And the blacke-dee-dee and the black ones are eh. Yes, yes. That's funny. Yeah. I do a little minor. Yeah. A little minor walk down. Are you ever aware of a Glaswegian artist called Alex Harvey? Yes. Right. Oh my God. Yes. Wow. You're saying so many people that that's so funny. I want to tell you a story about Alex Harvey. I don't know if it's true, but I heard this from somebody that worked with the band. Alex died years and years ago.

He was a drinker and stuff. But the Sensational Alex Harvey band wanted to do an album without him. So his band wanted to do an album without him and call it Sab, Sensational Alex Harvey band, without Alex. And they went to him and they said, can we do that? And he said,

I, you can on one condition. And they said, you don't use the chord E. Oh my God. Imagine a rock band that can't use E. And I don't know if that's true, but I like the idea. That is great that is great wow but the legacy of musicians from that part of the world I'm fascinated by

musicians like bands like Mogwai and I mean it's crazy the influence of you familiar with Roddy Frame Aztec Camera

this is so crazy I mean you're just you're naming all the people that you know I grew up in my like were in my home because of my dad. Right.

Because your dad and I are the same age. We've been listening to the same music. Right. And weirdly went to the same shows. Oh, well, it's not a big town. Right, right. It's still... Well, okay, here's the thing.

Part of my freak out, just for anyone that's listening, also is like the craziness of being in LA. Right. You know? Right. And, and also, you know, okay, here's the thing. There's this, um, do you know what, uh, my gym is? It's like little toddler classes or whatever. Oh God, I've spent so much fucking time in my gym.

Oh my God, so many times. Oh yeah. So long, so long. Anyways, there is this woman in there and she has a thick Irish accent. Yeah, I know the gem you're talking about. Really? Yeah, I've been there when my youngest was young. Oh my God, okay.

Yeah. She's never going to come up to me and say, I think you're from Donegal. I think some of your family's from Donegal. And so it can be, and by the way, I insert myself in those situations, you know, if it's, you know, the right timing or whatever, where I'll be like, whereabouts are you from? And I try and find that connection, you know, elsewhere. But it's such a holding card to have an accent, which I don't have. Right. Oh, at the Ralphs? Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they're like, we love Moira. Oh, that's right.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know Wu-Tang Clan? Yeah. All right, you know RZA from Wu-Tang? Yes. So we did this bit on the late night show years and years ago. My mom came out to visit and RZA was on the show and I said to RZA,

will you do this comedy bit? Like just take my mom out, shore LA and we'll film it in the car. And he's like, sure. So RZA went out and he took my mom to Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles yes yes like it's a real scene right it's a scene and uh and but but the thing is RZA and my mom got on really well yeah and so they kind of kept in touch and my mom my mom my mom said to me a couple of years later, she said, Hey, son, tea in the park is happening. I was like, uh-huh.

She says, it's a big rock festival, mum. She went, yeah, well, I've just noticed on the listings that Wu-Tang are coming. I went, yeah, Wu-Tang are probably coming. She went, well, I was thinking I might get in touch with RZA because I was going to take the ladies from Arthritis Care. I was going to take the women from Arthritis Care. It's great to take the women from Arthritis Care to see Wu-Tang. I was like, I'm not sure, mom. I'm not.

Yeah. And we say, oh, I'm not sure. And then they write directly and then they have the best seats. I think if it would happen now, she would have gone. But social media wasn't quite where it was then. Or she would have just, they would have got in touch and done it. Because he's a great guy. He's a lovely man's lovely man uh so i love the idea of my mom and did he have that other band yeah he's had a lot of different projects okay because i think i performed with

him at coachella i came out as a guest stop and i sang the florence the machine part oh my god if this is ringing a bell for me yeah yeah i I'm not musically literate enough to know that. And he was the nicest person in the entire world. Well, that sounds like him. So much charisma. Very charismatic. He doesn't shy away from marijuana as much as you and I do. Marijuana pee-pee.

I don't know about the pee-pee, but you can't say all the pee pee, but you can't sell the pee pee under the marijuana. But I think that it's fascinating to me because you have a very odd story. So you grew up in Hong Kong. Yes. And then how do you end up here? Well, I just thought LA is, you know, where I thought I was going to come down the escalator at LAX. Yeah.

Someone say, who is that amazing vocalist over there? Right. And if you could see what I looked like, not that it matters, but if you could have seen what that person looked like, 2010, me. Yeah. It was a look. It was definitely a look. And yeah, but so that's why I came here. As it should be.

As it should be. I mean, you're trying to make an impression. You were what, 20? No I was 17 and a half. 17 and a half? Yeah. Charlie must have been out of his fucking skin. Oh he was and but my sister was going to school here. So she's two years older than me. Right. So that I had someone here. Right okay. Yeah. Oh okay that's a. Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. That's a story then. Yeah. So that made a big difference. Economics major. Just like me.

You were an economics major? No, I'm joking. No. I went to school on Hollywood Boulevard. Did you? Yes. Musicians Institute. Really?

Yes. World acclaimed. Wow. That's kind of... It actually was great though. So you write on the piano? Yes. Do you play only the piano? Yeah. Do you play only the piano?

Yeah. Do you play the guitar? No. Well, I took classic guitar, but it was not for me. Really? Yes. Now, why would an instrument not be for you? Well, this in particular was because I was socializing too much in the class, unfortunately.

It was unfortunate. That has nothing to do with the guitar. That's what I'm saying. That's why I said it very softly, like, oh, it wasn't for me, you know, like nothing to the guitar. But also, it is a totally different thing to learn. Oh, sure, yeah.

Yeah, what do you play? Drums. Drums. I play a little guitar, but I'm bad at it. I'm so bad at it, I'm not good enough at it to allow myself to let anyone hear it. But I can drum a bit. I'm all right it I'm so bad at it I don't I don't I'm not good enough at it to allow myself to let anyone hear it but I can I can drum a bit I'm all right I love that yeah and that's okay do you know Katie Tunstall oh my god of course she's like my like one of my best friends

you know her know her yeah oh my god you never met her no she's the greatest she started she started the entire movement of everything. I know. Truly. Even doing the loop pedal. Yeah, she's amazing. You see her live. Oh, I know.

I mean, she's like, it's like an old one-man band with a guy with the cymbals on his knees. Right, right. I mean, it's like the bass drum on his back and all that. She's unbelievable. Yes, that is. She's unbelievable. Yes, that is. By the way, do you feel that you attract musicians in your life?

Because at your core, you are a musician. I'm a musician. I think like a musician. And I tour like a musician. And you met Tomas. Tomas, when he's not working with me, he works with Dinosaur Jr. You know what I mean? Yes, yes. My world, I'm more comfortable like that

right because as corporate as the world is yes the and particularly in music has a terrible incorporation kind of infestation right at the music business but at its core the actual performers are still many of them are still pure in the sense of that they have the kind of, I want to say rock and roll, but you know what I mean? That kind of like iconoclastic kind of fuck you attitude. Yes. That I think is, that's a clutch mechanism that exists between us and them. Right.

And because I think the corporation, like when I was doing Late Night, I loved doing the them. Right. And I, cause I think the, the corporation, like when I was doing late night, I loved doing the show. Yeah. But dealing with fucking television executives, you know, I mean. Yes.

It gets old. Yeah. In your business, I think it may be changing a bit though with social media. Is it where you guys can get directly to your audience again or not? Well, I mean, I kind of wonder,

yeah, I'm interested to know how much late night. I mean, it feels like late night isn't evolving at the same pace as other things. Because I just think if you did a little selfie video to TikTok saying an example of what one of your jokes was going to be for the opening monologue or something. And it did really well. This is the equivalent with music. That little clip did really well. Then you just show it to the TV execs. And they say, oh, of course you can use that joke. Look how well it did.

There's proof of concept. But I just wonder what it would be now. I don't know. I don't know what it would be. I mean, with executives, it wasn't so much the the joke by joke thing or note by note thing it was more it was more about the the general kind of vibe like you know don't be too much like this don't be too much like that don't say too much like this don't

don't go there you know and I think I could imagine it to be very isolating it's the worst you gotta be careful with that the more successful you become because you get some big fucking shit in front of you you you should be very careful because success is I've looked at it I've had some myself and I've seen others get it and it's extremely dangerous yeah I mean this is sort of a very specific story but i had i tried this um this new therapist and i had sort of taken a break from therapy being pregnant you know all this stuff yeah and so i tried this new therapist and i'm sharing you know the worst periods of life you know and that's what i'm sharing she goes you, you just seem very comfortable. And I was like, oh, good. You know, wait, whatever.

And then she goes, oh, you know, there's just, you just, yeah, you're quite charming. Something like that. Okay. And I realized as the conversation is going, and I've, by the way, and I feel like I could imagine you doing this too. I have worked really hard to, especially if I'm in a therapy situation or something where I'm seeking help to really undo any performative things. I'm not there to be funny. I'm not there. Yeah. And so I, I was really, you know, not, not in that space, but I realized as it was progressing and that was really what she was taking. She couldn't stop that, you know,

was taking, she couldn't stop that, you know, like that commentary. And I realized that's why so many comedians, that's why so many people that are in entertainment, they start to feel so isolated because now I'm in a situation where I'm letting her down. You know, I'm being a bummer now, you know, if I really lean, she, she's really being entertained and now I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, be such a bummer. So now I feel like I can't share. And then there's something with maybe they find out what you do and they don't have a full awareness or scope of what that means. So then it seems very glittery. Then it's very exciting.

Yeah. And so now, okay, I'll tell you something. Okay. Halfway through she goes, huh, does that, she goes, is it a guy that you worked worked with and I was like no she was I was just wondering if it was another one of my clients but I'm just saying yeah then you're but I I left feeling so isolated because it was like the pain isn't allowed and then also by the way when they are like wow that's so cool that you did X, Y, and Z. Then you're like, absolutely.

Like, I'm so grateful for that. That's, you know, it's not that I'm not, you know. And then you're, does that make any sense? Of course it does. Okay. I'll tell you an exact example. When I knew that I was going to leave late night television, in my heart, here's what it was. Tell me.

I was walking in the building. I was about halfway through the run, I was about five years in, and I walked by, as I did every day, you get at your parking space and you walk in, there's my names and big letters there, and I walk in and my picture's everywhere, my picture everywhere,

with really famous people on the wall, my picture's everywhere, and my name's on all the stationery, and everybody I meet, some people are actually wearing jackets and stuff with my name on their jackets and yeah and everybody I meet about 150 people that work there everybody I run into all they want to do is make sure I'm okay and that's not right right that's not fucking right I mean it sounds like it'd be fun, but it's weird. Right.

Because some of them are... And if you're not, then you've now ruined their day. They're very stressed trying to sort it. They're trying to figure it out. Of course. And it might not be anything to do with them. Of course. You come in and you get indigestion.

Totally. And they're like, oh, God, he's on the warpath. Yes, yes. And I'm like, not on the warpath. I have to go to the bathroom. Yes. You know, I mean, it's like... Well, because you're always on. Yeah. which I think is what messes with your brain.

That's why I think you have to, that's why I'm very grateful to my children because all the way through late night, my children were young. And so they balanced all of that. Right, right. I wasn't going anywhere. Yes. It was like, I was showbiz, showbiz, showbiz. And then we finished filming at six o'clock and I was home changing diapers by half past six.

Do you, when you speak to other people that were also late night hosts. I don't. Really? I'm not, it's not a community. It's not like a wave of thought. I know, but there's only like a handful. I know. Jimmy Kimmel said that to me once.

He said, we should get together. There's so few of us. Yeah. I'm like. But do they share the same experience that you. I don't know I think I've talked to I remember when Seth Meyers was starting he said he called me because it's kind of the thing you do is you call around and I was congratulating him and stuff. I said you'll go crazy and he said no I won't go crazy and then I did his show a few years later and I said, have you gone crazy yet? And he hadn't. And I don't think

he has gone crazy yet. So maybe, maybe it was me. No. I think it also depends on how much is being micromanaged too. Yeah, maybe.

You know, when they're like, you have to ask this specific question, this, I don't know, it just, it takes out any, the formality of it

turns into like a robot. Yeah, I guess I mean let Leno and I are friends and he's uh but what's his history Scottish mother

really yeah he's oh my god I was gonna say stand-up yeah on stand-up yeah but his mother was Scottish

oh my god you said you're you had uh do you have relations in Donegal yeah so that's my dad's side of the family.

My granny Maguire was from Donegal. I bet we related. I bet you we are. Maguire from Donegal. Small C? Yeah, Beasy Maguire from Donegal. She married my grandfather. Oh my God.

Yeah. Wow, that's okay. We'll have to do some. some yeah and then the north end of glasgow with all that irish donna gold yeah probably yeah wow yeah that's weird that is weird yeah but bees mcguire married a protestant so they stopped oh yeah which was a big deal that's a very big deal yeah yeah and i'm i was was raised, well, I mean, but I was. Yeah, yeah. And what's your connection to faith?

Just because you asked me. Just curious. I feel like it's, I'm very, are you familiar with St. Augustine? You know, when he said, trying to understand the mind of God is like trying to pour the ocean into a cup. Wow. I was like, okay, that. I really connect to that. Yeah.

Yes. I think it's such a loaded question. Yeah. Yeah. It's when I meet atheists and very intelligent people, some of them. Yeah. And they have this kind of unshakable I know thing. And I'm like, it seems very fundamental a stance for such an intelligent questioning person. Right. I remember having a conversation with Stephen Fry about it.

And Stephen said, because Stephen's an atheist. Just casually you having a conversation with him. Yeah. But me and Stephen and Cheeky Charlie were Friends of Briggs were all at the same age. I've known Steven for a long time. And he said, when people say, do you believe in God? It's really, you've got to define the word God before you start asking that question. I mean, it's such a big, giant thing.

Yes. Also, I mean, I don't know. Angry Santa on a cloud? No, I don't buy that. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm pre-Santa on a cloud. No, I don't buy that. Yeah, I don't know how far into this we go, but I will say, so I've been an Al-Anon for many, many years.

And my partner is openly sober. And so that community is very, and I'm not a drink a drinker right so that is all at the forefront i wouldn't say sober just because i know what he does and it feels different from what i'm doing but regardless and one of the biggest first things they say is like have the idea of god be whatever god as you understand it. There we go. Yeah, absolutely. And that was really freeing for him with his history with religion.

And I think it really... I totally understand. It really steers people. Because when I get sober, the same thing. I mean, there were people that was, oh, there's God thing, God thing. But I get sober in London, but very early on, I went to Glasgow

because I had to kind of repair myself. And I'm in meetings with people who are members of the Communist Party. They're atheists. Right. You know, but they're sober. So there is a, I mean, I don't, it doesn't frighten me away all that, the idea of God. But I also think that's something that the program helps with is like it's an undoing and like it's a very, I will say for like our relationship and our lives

like our life is the definition of like the gift that sobriety can give you um and so with that mine too yeah yeah nothing in my life before sobriety same yeah same as my husband yeah nothing yeah there's nothing before it there's nothing it's like it's like the world before little richard there's nothing yes you know did's nothing. It's like, it's like the world before little Richard. There's nothing. Yes. You know, did you watch the podcast about little Richard? No.

Okay. You need to fucking love a little Richard. Okay. Well, there's a lot going on. Really? Was he a bad boy? No,

he was missing. Oh, and so people, you did. He was on the old late night show. Oh, you know what? They,

they used clips from your show. I look forward to the check yeah yeah he was amazing yes well they are they show you saying that oh really oh yeah no as in showing his brightness and incredible you know energy and yeah just making sure he's okay was like the summary of the podcast. But it's very, very good. Yeah. So good. I don't know the name. It's just, oh, it's so good. Oh, look it up.

Yeah, look it up. I could talk. Will you come back and do another episode? Because I feel like we've only scratched the surface of this shit. I would love that. And we've been talking for about an hour. They're waving at me from the booth. Oh, my God.

Literally, it's felt like 10 minutes. Yeah, I know. So let's do it again. And give your mom and dad my best. I will. Moira and Chaz. Moira and Chaz from Bishop Briggs. I fucking bet I know them.

We'll definitely know people. Every time you say, I bet I know them, your accent gets thicker. Well, yeah, because I'm excited about it did your did your parents accents change when they moved because I get such a fucking hard time from people in Scotland about my accent yeah they would they had to slow down the way they were talking right yeah especially if they were excited oh my god if my dad's telling a joke right oh it's it's over I know which me, that's difficult in my line of work. Yeah, 100%. All right, look, we'll do this again.

We will. You, in the meantime, will write the Bond thing. Write the Bond song because you're clearly destined to do that. Thank you. I would love that. And it's been an absolute joy, me. Thank you. You too. Thank you. tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous,

sometimes chaotic life in marriage. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words that I've said like in my head for like 16 years. Wild. Listen to Miss Spelling on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Angie Martinez, and on my podcast, I like to talk to everyone from Hall of Fame athletes to iconic musicians about getting real on some of the complications and challenges of real life. I had the best dad, and I had the best memories and the greatest experience. And that's all I want for my kids as long as they can have that. I had the best dad and I had the best memories and the greatest experience. And that's all I want for my kids as long as they can have that.

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