Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Jesse Tyler Ferguson

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Meet Jesse Tyler Ferguson, a Tony-Award winning actor, author, producer, and host known not only for his creative work but, for his ongoing advocacy in the LGBTQIA+ community. Ferguson starred as the widely beloved character “Mitchell Pritchett” on the Award-winning ABC comedy MODERN FAMILY, which ran for an impressive 11 seasons. Check out his new podcast call Dinner’s On Me here. EnJOY! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You probably know my next guest from his work on Modern Family. But let me tell you this. Jesse Tyler Ferguson, and he's one of the Tyler Fergusons, which makes him better than me, has a fascinating career and story. Let's listen to it. I have my own podcast now that I'm going to talk about. Yeah, that's always the thing when it's like a friend of mine. I was like, oh, I'm... Yeah, we're rolling now.

Talk about something. Yeah, that's fine. Talk about something that they might not want to talk about, but I always try just to see. Yeah, I would do that too. I mean, I would try and put you in a position today

where you talk about something you don't want to talk about. There's very little that I won't talk about now. You know what the truth is as well? I think that it's... I don't want to do that to people anyway.

Yeah. So why would you do it in a, like, I'm not a journalist. Of course, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me about something you're so ashamed of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I don't want to hear that from you. I have yet to get that question, though. I don't know what it would be. Well, okay, then tell me something you're really ashamed of. Yeah, I don't. Please, I don't want to talk

about that right now. Fuck you. I've always been jealous of you for two reasons. Oh, tell me. Well, one, please I don't want to talk about that right now fuck you I've always been jealous of you for two reasons well one, you're Broadway royalty which is I think a great thing to be just admirable and aspirational

and the other thing is you're not just Jesse Ferguson you're Jesse Tyler Ferguson yeah there's already a Jesse Ferguson yeah I figured it might be that. Yeah, so I had to go with my middle name. And I'm named after my grandmother. So I really wanted to keep the Jesse.

I like the name Jesse. Yeah, Jesse's a nice name. And I wanted kids that I grew up with to know that I had succeeded because I was bullied a lot as a kid. You surprised me. Are you from Montana or something? I was born in Montana, raised in albuquerque okay and i i was just not very popular you know i was sort of an awkward kid and i was pretty ruthlessly bullied and then when i made when i you know became very successful in the thing that i

wanted to do i wanted all the assholes who bullied me to know that i'd made it so i kept ferguson yeah so like they're going to remember that name jesse yes so I kept Ferguson yeah so they're gonna remember that name Jesse Ferguson yes they will then I threw in the Tyler so it's funny because have you ever met the head of the Ferguson clan name no he's a friend of mine no really yeah yeah yeah his name's Adam he lives in a place called Kilkerran which is the seat of the Ferguson name, in Ayrshire in Scotland, and Alan Jujusto. He's a spectacular human being. He's a lovely man. That's fascinating.

I have him. When my grandmother passed away, I took a book from our house, and it was all about the Scottish tartans. Yeah. And she had a little swatch of fabric from the Ferguson tartan. So I have that. You don't have a kilt in the Ferguson tartan? I don't.

I don't. I should get one made. I feel like I know what's coming for Christmas. Let me tell you what, though. I feel like the Ferguson tartan is the same as the private school uniform

that I had to grow up wearing at Our Lady of Fatima. Listen, it's a very lovely tartan, but that's what it will remind me of. But maybe it's time to let it go. Yeah, to let it go and reclaim my childhood. Reclaim the plaid. Reclaim the plaid.

I feel like, actually, that sounds like a rallying cry. Right? Reclaim the plaid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I might be doing that for Fashion Week this year. Reclaiming the plaid. Reclaiming the plaid. Yeah, reclaiming the plaid. It's funny because when I think of you

growing up in Albuquerque, because you look like a lot of guys I grew up with. You have the coloring and the complexion of a lot of people I grew up with. And Albuquerque must have been tough for someone of your... My skin tone. Kind of, right? Not the greatest place to raise a redhead. Well, a redhead in the sun like that? Then you were bullied at school? I'm amazed you're not a stand-up comedian. It sounds traumatic. Was it really bad, do you think? It was pretty bad.

Yeah, it was pretty bad. In fact, when I was in grade school, in my eighth grade year, well, right before my eighth grade year, I told my parents, it's really bleak at school. And they actually changed, I changed schools.

Well, at least they listened to you. Did it help? Yeah. I mean, it was nice to be relocated to a different pool of people. It didn't change who I was. I was a very shy kid. So I still wasn't super popular. But it sort of gave me a little bit of a relief from the constant bullying.

But then the high school I went to was the one Catholic high school in Albuquerque. And so a lot of the people that I went to grade school with, I saw them again when I was in high school. But then it was a bigger pond. Right, so it was easier to escape. Are you an observant Catholic? No, no, no, no.

Oh, there's your coffee. Oh, what a diva. What did you get? Just, I like a, thank you very much. I like just a regular coffee. No sugar. No sugar, no milk, two shots of espresso, but in a cup that normally has three. Okay. Okay.

So that's a clever red eye. Yeah, that's right. It's a slightly less, do you want a cup of coffee? No, I've had two today and I'm not jittery. That's all I get as well. This is my second and then I want a cup of coffee? No, I've had my, I've had two today and I'm not jittery. that's all I get as well. This is my second and then that's it. I get two cups of coffee.

I have become that guy. Yeah. I used to be so bad. You never, you never fell into that, did you? Drugs and alcohol and all that kind of stuff.

No, no, no, but I did cut back on drinking a lot this year. Yeah? You know, Well,

your kids are young. My kids are young and I can't deal with a hangover. So my coffee intake has definitely upped. Yeah. Yeah. Do you ever get,

like this is a sign of middle age, I think. Do you ever get to the point where it's nighttime and you're excited because morning's coming and you can have coffee? No, Craig.

Sometimes I wake up and I'm excited for nighttime. I'm like, oh my God, in 12 hours, I'm going to be back in the same spot. It'll be bedtime again. It'll be bedtime again.

Oh God. Absolutely. I get excited for again. It'll be bedtime again. Oh, God. Absolutely. I get excited for breakfast. I mean, how pathetic is that? It's like, oh, I can't eat late at night because I'll get indigestion. But in the morning, I'm going to have such a breakfast. Right, right, right. So let me tell you this.

You're growing up in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yeah. Where they have got the Rattlesnake Museum. I believe we've discussed this before. Yes, yeah, we talked about this on the show. And I think to myself, now you're a theater kid, and you're growing up in a society where, at that time, it's not really cool to be a theater kid who's emerging as a gay man as well. It's got to be... Well, especially in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

There just wasn't a community there to sort of support that. Probably is now, I would think. More's got to be. Especially in Albuquerque, New Mexico. There just wasn't a community there to sort of support that. Probably is now, I would think. More so now. Yeah, absolutely. You know,

I think Albuquerque's changed a lot and I do, I do still, I've always loved Albuquerque, even though I had a kind of tricky childhood there, but I do like going back and visiting.

I've taken my kids for that. They have the largest international hot air balloon fiesta there. Yes, that's what I know about that. It's beautiful. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

So I really like going back for that. I saw family that lives there. I love the food there. I have grown to sort of appreciate the state as a nice place to visit now. But yeah, when I was a kid, especially as a theater kid, there wasn't a lot of opportunity. There was a great, we had a pretty great community theater program and I'd audition for the shows,

but my high school didn't have a great theater program. But you're a Catholic, there's plenty of theater in the Catholic church. Oh, please. Oh my God. You know. Get on the rooms, get the smoke. That's right. The pomp and circumstance. Oh my God. Because I was raised as a Protestant in Scotland. I mean, we get, you know, it's... Get on the robes, get the smoke, that's right. Jeez, the pomp and circumstance. Oh my God.

Because I was raised as a Protestant in Scotland. I mean, we get, you know, the walls are painted white and maybe we get a heater in the church. Maybe we don't, that's it. But, you know, the Catholic kids, they go, wow. It kind of scared me actually.

I think it was like gothic horror looking inside. I mean, looking back on it, I'm just, you know, that was, you know, I go to mass every day. Every morning would start with, and when I was in grade school, every morning would start with a mass. You know, it was an abbreviated mass, 30 minutes usually. But then we would go to mass as well. Did you take the Eucharist and all that?

Every morning? Every morning. Well, you know, after my first communion. Right. Yeah, but I had my first communion. I was baptized. I did all that, all that stuff. And it's funny because my parents weren't, they weren't super observant of themselves.

It felt like a community that they were raised in and then decided to raise their kids in. Just wanted to be part of it. But, you know, I kind of broke the mold for that. What about now, because you're a parent now. You've got little kids. That sometimes changes people's perception of their religion and their upbringing sure what do you think well we aren't a religious family you know justin's what didn't go to to church but you know i think that it's that thing of as i'm as i'm teaching my kids you

know i'm learning that you know certain ideas that i'm trying to teach them are rooted in like my faith and certain things are rooted in like, just my, who I am as a person now, you know, I meditate a lot and I like to, I'm spiritual, I guess, in a different way. So, you know, a lot of those, a lot of those ideas are passed down to my kids, but like, you know, I haven't,

we haven't taken them to church. We haven't done any of that stuff. You know, we certainly around, it's interesting because we, you know, my son now understands what Christmas is. And, you know, I was like, well, do we start talking about this other thing, this like Catholic component to it or not? And, you know, I, when I was a kid, I created a nativity scene for myself. And it's this really adorable thing created on blocks with pieces of felt. And I enjoyed pulling it out. It's so, it's this really adorable thing created on blocks with pieces of felt and I enjoy pulling it out.

It's so adorable and my parents saved it and they passed it down to me and so we put it out every year but it's just like a weird thing. My kids don't know what it is. I'm like, this is the baby Jesus. I'm like, what am I talking about? I love all the tradition of all of that.

I mean, I think I feel like with religion, what I do now is I take what I want and I leave the rest. Yeah. And if anyone's got a problem with that, then they had a problem in the first place. Right. It's that whole thing of, you know,

a lot of people who are angry at you, they were angry before they even heard of you. That's right. You know, so it's kind of, you got to let it go. Yeah. I wonder though, because I i think you said you're a spiritual person and i i think about that a lot too and i'm not a religious person but i i i find that i can't for a while there i thought i was an atheist but it felt like too dogmatic and rigid

to take yeah like you knew the answer. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. It's like, you know, all these theologians, Thomas of Aquinas, Einstein, they were all wrong, but I'm right. Right, right. I mean, I certainly, I never thought of myself as an atheist, but I don't know.

It's sort of, I think it's okay to be uncategorizable. I think that's okay. Totally. Thatorizable. I think that's okay. Totally. I think actually with things that are going on right now in lots of areas of society, I think that that's actually good. It's healthy. Because I was thinking about,

what's the statute of limitations on gay? Because when I was 18, 19 years old, I gayed. Good for you. Yeah. How are you going to know you like something unless you haven't tried it? And I tried it, and I thought, well, it's okay, and I like the person involved, but it's not really for me mechanically. And then I thought, but does that, you know,

where does that place me in the... Well, I think everything's on does that, you know, what does that, where does that place me in the... Well, I think everything's on a spectrum, you know. I think so, right? I think that's what it is. Yeah.

Yeah. I know so many people who are very straight and have kids and have wonderful marriages and, you know, they dabbled a bit in high school

and college and, you know, it's... And the other way around, by the way. I know plenty of gay men who were straight well hey now hey now is that so see now that's something i haven't done well i've never dabbled well you know i look if you're making felt nativity yeah i know that's right that's right that's right did you know right away you were like oh gosh this is what i'm dealing

with well i don't necessarily know how to categorize it, but I knew that it was something that was not, you know, growing up Catholic, you know, it's sort of all you hear about is like, you know, man, I don't know, man, I don't know. It's like, oh gosh, it just seems like it's something I'm not super interested in or I didn't see a place for myself in that,

you know, in that arrangement. But like, I don't know if I knew that it was gay until, you know, I was a little older. I wonder if, do you think that's what attracted you to theater and Broadway? Because it has a lot of the drama and the pageantry and the ceremony even of Catholic church, but famously much more accepting of gay people

than the Catholic church. I mean, perhaps. I did like the, you know, at Christmastime, the live nativity scene. Yeah, who doesn't? It's awesome. You know, the shows in church were really exciting. But it was all about, for me, the production value. If it looked good, then I was into it. You know?

I didn't want it to look cheap. That's great. I just find that so kind of there's something very wholesome about that i think something lovely about it sure so how did you how did you get from albuquerque to uh to broadway what happened i came to new york right after um i graduated high school i was accepted into a performance arts academy called the american musical dramatic academy okay uh and so my dad and i drove cross-country in his suburban and we packed all my stuff up in the back seat and it was like a four-day road trip your father he must love you i know i know he's so sweet of him

to drive me and then we drove into manhattan in the suburban you know my dad it's a you know he's a used to driving driving in albuquerque new me. Here we are in Manhattan and people are honking at us. And there are very aggressive drivers in New York. And my dad's a rule follower. He's the type of guy that honks twice before backing up to make sure no one's behind him. This type of timid driving was not going to fly in Manhattan. So he dropped me off. We unloaded the car.

I think he stayed a few days with me. Um, while I sort of settled in and then he drove back to Albuquerque and left me behind in New York. And did you feel like you were, you were where you were meant to be as soon as you were there? You know, it's interesting. I had never, even before I went to New York, I knew that's where I wanted to go. And I think part of it's just cause I would watch the Tony awards on TV. And I knew that this place that had this incredible theater scene called Broadway was, you know, it existed only in New York City. And I just, I had, I was aware enough of that culture. You know, I had all these cast albums and I would collect the musical scores of these shows, even though I didn't really play piano.

I would just like to look at the photos and look at the sheet music. And I just had a great appreciation for the work that went into putting these shows on. And I wanted to be a part of that in whatever capacity. It's a real world unto itself, Broadway, as well. It's fascinating that there are people who are big stars on Broadway that cross the East River. And people are like, I'm sorry, I don't know who you're talking about. You know what I mean? It's great.

Yeah, I had to explain the other day to someone who Patti LuPone was and I was like, I'm sorry, I don't know if I can do this. Well, wait a minute. No, Patti LuPone, I think. Yeah, yeah. But I think that it's quite an interesting thing because there's somebody that I always, there was an actor called, you know, Jim Dale? Of course.

And Jim Dale was a huge Broadway star. But in Britain, I knew him from doing these kind of cheesy comedies when I was a kid growing up. And I only heard years later he had become this force on Broadway. It's such a strange thing. What have you done there recently? My most recent thing on Broadway was a play called Take Me Out. Right. About a baseball team.

The lead player, who's like a Derek Jeter type, comes out of the closet. That role was played by Jesse Williams from Grey's Anatomy, who's a fantastic stage actor. It was his stage debut. And I played his business manager, who is a gay man who doesn't know anything about baseball and then falls in love with the game. It sounds quite funny, actually, yeah. It's a beautiful play written by Richard Greenberg, who is such a lover of baseball. And I had these amazing soliloquies about baseball and how they're so, you know, it's like democracy and how...

It's a weird game, baseball. It's an interesting thing because it does contain something that I don't think other sports do. Yeah. It's weird. I feel game, baseball. It's an interesting thing because it does contain something that I don't think other sports do. Yeah. It's weird. I feel that about baseball. It's that thing of, first of all, it's a very lonely sport. You're playing kind of by yourself.

You each have your own positions. And then it's something else. There's no clock, which is so interesting. There's no countdown. You have this moment on the plate and everyone has the same opportunity and the same chance to to achieve something. And they're given the space and time to do it. And that's sort of what this character found so beautiful about the game of baseball. When I became an American, it was about baseball was the thing that I think explained America to me in a way that I didn't understand before and why I was so

attracted to it. And here's what it is. It is failure is unnecessary. And probably the majority of what you will do is fail. And it doesn't matter if you can swing at the ball and hit it one time out of 10, you're a hall of fame. Yeah. And I thought, oh my God. Yeah. So if you fail, it's just part of the process. It's just part of it. It's not a thing. Because where I'm from, you fail.

You should be. I tried in the first place. Horrible wee dummy boy, Craig Ferguson. But if you, in America, you fail, you go, well, missed it. Next. Yeah. You know, and I love that. That's why I kind of like, I'm not a baseball fanatic by any means but i i kind of like i respect it in a weird way i think

it has a same there's a real soul in it yes that i that i'm very emotional sport it is right yeah and the idea of when you have you you've been to games right sure so you know that particularly actually in the midwest or in the Midwest or in the West where the sun hangs forever and there's that vibe it's a very it's like it has a

it has a spiritual quality about it which I've never been able to achieve watching other sports it's amazing. Yeah. Agreed.

It's a theatre about it. Yeah. Spiritual theatre. The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Stand-Up Tour continues throughout the United States in 2024. For a full list of dates and tickets, go to thecraigfergusonshow.com slash tour. See you out there.

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because I'm trying to do it, and it's... What do you find hard about it? Finding the time, or just calming your body down, or both? You know, I feel like what it is, is that when I try and meditate,

and I do, I do do it, and I try and do it every day, it's, I kind of put a value on it. Like that was a good meditation. That was a bad meditation. Or it worked then.

Or it didn't work then. But I suspect that's probably not the correct way to go about it. I think that's right. What you said right there, you know, the correct way. I don't think there is a correct way to do it. The type of meditation that I started practicing was TM, Transcendental Meditation, that actually the director, David Lynch, set up a foundation here in Los Angeles because he became so enamored with this type of meditation and he wanted to make it accessible to everyone, kids and people who are suffering trauma. So he basically

set up this nonprofit and you pay, like say I wanted to learn how to do Transcendental Meditation, I find a week that I want to do this and I pay a fee and that money goes to teaching other people how to do it. So I did a week-long seminar with the David Lynch Foundation. I didn't do that. What did you do? You go every day? I think I only had to go three or four days. And it was just, you know, you find like, I think it was like an hour and a half or two hours, but you have to be able to do it every day.

So I had to sort of carve it. It was when I was shooting Modern Family. And so I had to really make sure I had, it was my hiatus week and I didn't have any other work to do. So yeah, I was able to clear out some afternoons to do it. But, you know, what it requires of you is 20 minutes in the morning

and 20 minutes in the evening or the late afternoon. And to be completely honest, I've not been great about doing it twice a day, and I'm trying to get back into the habit. And I feel like what I need right now is a refresher course. Is there a lot of instruction required? That's the thing. I mean, you're assigned a mantra, and they teach you how to do it. And I learned in a group of people, and then I had sort of one-on-one sessions as well.

But it's really just quieting your body down, repeating this mantra in your head, and then coming into this state. And it does take practice to sort of tune out the noise. And some people are really good now, when they've been doing this for so long, they can do it in a loud, in a loud room and they can still go into that state of meditation. I'm not that good. I'm fascinated by that. I became kind of, you know, I've been sober for a very long time. So, you know, prayer and meditation is something that comes up and there's an essential part of it. And I've always been fine with, because I was raised in Judeo Christian, you know, environment. environment i'm like prayer is fine like you say sorry and move on and that kind of thing you know i'm so bad and you're so big and it's my

fault and over time i kind of you know progressed a bit with that but meditation always felt this is a i don't know where i came up with this but i it always felt a little indulgent you know what i mean i felt like i was indulging myself that's your catholic guilt yeah yeah You know what I mean? I felt like I was indulging myself. That's your Catholic guilt. Protestant guilt, yeah. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's just a different set of, different set dressing, but same guilt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that that's right. It was like, I shouldn't, oh, you have to meditate. Oh, of course you do, because you work in show business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's it. I mean, I think that, you know, living here in Los Angeles, that's certainly a trope to fall into. You know, if people hear that you live in LA and you meditate, oh boy, okay. Well, we know how much kale you get through in LA. I don't live in LA anymore. Where do you live now? Well, New York and Scotland mostly.

Oh, really? Yeah. What are you doing in town? I'm here to do this. With this podcast thing that I do, I made a rule for myself that I wouldn't do any of them remotely, that I would sit

across the table. I'm so glad you do, yeah. Yeah. Well, you do that with yours, I do mine in person as well. Right. It makes such a difference. I think it does.

Yeah. Because I think during COVID when we all got into doing the Zoom stuff, because now they do pitches by Zoom all the time. Pitches by Zoom, auditions by Zoom.

It's crazy. Yeah. Do you hear the scandal recently about fake auditions on Zoom? No. Oh, this is amazing. So a bunch of agents apparently are getting into trouble because they're saying to their clients, oh, you're up for this big role, but you have to put yourself on tape.

They're not up for the big role, but the clients put themselves on tape and think they've got a shot. So the agent looks like they're getting them these good things. I just said no to putting myself on tape for something. Well, come on, you're Jesse Tyler fucking Ferguson. Let me tell you this, Craig. It was like the role and it was being directed by an actor who I very much admire, who's also starring in it. And the role to me on paper, I only read the sides, was sort of gay best friend 101. Like there wasn't anything super interesting about it, but it was a well-written part.

It was not bad at all. And I certainly would have entertained the job if it was offered to me, but he wanted me to put myself on tape. 10 pages of this sort of gay best friend 101 on tape. And I said, you know, I just feel like after 11 years of Modern Family and a Tony Award, like I just feel like, when is it, when have I proven myself? And I just said, I'm not going to do it.

And they said, well, he really needs to see it. And I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm not going to get this part. And I just saw that it was announced that a friend of mine got the part. And I'm desperate to call my friend and be like, did you put yourself on tape? Or did he just offer it to you?

But you know, it's that, look, I've directed things as well. call my friend and be like, did you put yourself on the table? Or did he just offer it to you? Look, I've directed things as well and I've done this and to my shame, I shouldn't have done it. But it was a long time ago. But I asked for people to audition that I know they could do. I knew they could do the part and they would be great in the part. But I was the director

and I was being a dick quite frankly i think that there's i don't mind auditioning for things especially i feel like if i feel like um uh it's something that i'm not sure i can do because i want to make sure that we're on the same page that's well you're a proper grown-up actor who's not a petulant child when it comes to audition because that's what i think i was doing i was like i was making people audition it was some kind of weird power play i mean it was a long time ago and I'm glad I don't do that. Because directing, you've directed, right? A little bit, yeah.

Yeah. I don't love it. Did you enjoy it? I didn't mind it. It's not my passion. I haven't directed anything of great importance, but- Well, not your part. You know, it's interesting because I thought for a's interesting. Cause like, I, I thought for a while, I was like, I think I could actually direct some episodes of Modern Family. And Julie Bowen was the only cast member who actually directed us. And I ended up not even throwing my name into the ring. And I think they would have let me do it if I wanted to. But I just, after like, you know, this was like the end of the run after like nine or 10 years of being with this, this. But I just, after like, you know, this was like the end of the run. After like nine or 10 years of being with this cast,

I just felt like I didn't want to step out of that role of being a co-star or a co-acting partner and into this directorial position. Like I could not picture myself like giving Ed O'Neill direction. I just couldn't do it. But yet I think I would have been really good at it. So I think, well, it changes the family dynamic.

I mean, if you're in a cast that long, it's a kind of familial setup. Sure, and it would have been really good at it. I think, well, it changes the family dynamic. I mean, if you're in a cast that long, it's a kind of familial setup. Sure. And it would have been nice to be surrounded by people who trusted me and a crew that I already knew. And the thing is, Julie Bowen did a great job. I can see Julie being great at that. Yeah, she ended up directing a few. But she's bossy. Julie's bossy. She is bossy. Let's be honest. She is bossy. She's so organized. She is. She's a very kind of like, let's get it done.

She was great. Yeah, I can imagine she would be. She has a podcast now as well, of course. She does, yeah. Everybody does. I think podcasting now is a bit like having a tattoo. Or a blog. Yeah, or a MySpace page.

Yeah. Tell me about your podcast that you do then. Dinner with... Dinner's on me. Dinner's on me. So people eat me about your podcast that you do then. Dinner with- Dinner's on me. Dinner's on me. Yes. So people eat food from your naked body. Off my naked, not dinner's on me, physically on me.

It's not like that Peter Dinaway thing, like it's like the people eat from you and- Although- Yeah. That could be an interesting twist. No, dinner's on me, meaning I pick up the bill or rather Sony picks up the bill because they're my producers um and uh

yes we uh I take I take a friend out to to a meal and we have a conversation over dinner and what I love about it and what it always gives

I have several friends who have podcasts as well and some of them have been on the show and um you know they Dax Shepard was just on

an episode and you know he has obviously Armchair Expert, which is such a popular podcast. Yeah, I've done it. And he arrived at the restaurant and he was just,

he couldn't let the micromanaging go. He was worried about sound. He was worried about, you know, the ambient noises. He was worried about the fact that a third person

was coming over to the table to like give us our menus and tell us a special. He was like, oh, what's happening? I was like, well, he's a director. He's a director. director he's got a director's brain but that's what i love about my podcast is it is feels very it feels very fly on the wall you feel like you're at this you're the third chair at this table and you're having lunch with

us or dinner with us and i love that you hear the waiter come over the table and give the specials and you hear about our dietary restrictions and like it's just a normal dinner service except for it happens to be uh recorded you go to like uh chili's and olive garden or do you go to like you go fancy you go to fancy usually well not always super fancy i um you know i took uh weirdo yankovic was a recent guest and he's vegan and i i took him to uh cafe gratitude here in los angeles which is you know a very casual dining place but has amazing vegan food and obviously he had been there before

and then I took Sofia Vergara to Dante which is this beautiful new restaurant on top of the hotel in Beverly Hills so you know

it's just sort of a mix of where I think these people would enjoy Oh you choose the restaurant? I choose it with sometimes the help of my guests

and I try and match up like where I think they might like to go. I'm going to tell you an Al Yankovic story. Tell me. It's a favorite. I love this. So Al comes to visit me in Scotland. I live in this very old house in Scotland.

And just before he arrives, I'm in the basement slash dungeon of this old house, and I find an accordion. An old accordion. Like an old fancy accordion. And I bring it up the stairs and Al arrived like later that day and he's like, oh yeah, this is a Springledanger 48 or something. And he fixed it. He fixed it? He fixed it. Well, he said, you know, I've fixed it as much as I can. That's incredible. But it was like, I couldn't believe it, an accordion, and then Al arrived.

It had a spiritual component. That is incredible, yeah. Messianic Al Yankovic, I think. It's like amazing that it happened. I love that. I really told you the story to let you know that Al Yankovic came to my house in Scotland. Yeah, I was showing off.

I met him for the first time at his house in Hawaii. I don't know if it was his house, if he was renting it or if he actually had a place there. Because the reason he was at my house in Scotland is because the volcanic ash thing at his house in Hawaii. I don't know if it was his house, if he was renting it, or if he actually had a place there. No, he hasn't, because the reason he was renting it in Scotland is because the volcanic ash thing was going on in Hawaii, and he couldn't go there.

Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only reason I came to Scotland. So, you went to his house in Hawaii? Yeah, yeah. He and Eric Stonestreet were kind of buddies.

Oh, of course, yeah. Eric was in a music video of his. Yeah. And Eric and I happened yeah. Eric was in a music video of his. Yeah. And Eric and I happened to be not only in Hawaii, but at the same resort with our significant others at the time. Mine, I went on to marry. He's now my husband. But Eric was dating the girlfriend he was dating at the time. So we were all at the same resort.

And I mean, just totally by happenstance. Happenstance? Happenchance. I think just totally by happenstance. Happenstance? Happenchance. I think happenstance is probably correct. Happenchance is better. And also, happenchance sounds like you're about to start a number. It happened by happenchance. I have a really good habit of making up words and mispronouncing things all the time.

It's a good one. Happenchance. So anyways, Eric was like, do you want to go have dinner with Al and Susan, his wife? And I was like, yeah, let's meet them. And he posted us. We all went out to dinner together. It was great.

He's such a sweet man. Such a sweet guy. Yeah, he's lovely. He's really a lovely man. So let's talk a little bit about Modern Family then because it's come up a couple of times. It's one of those like, it'll be a legacy thing for you,

for your entire life now, of course. I mean, it's like with me doing the late night show. It's like, no matter what you do, it's going to come into the conversation. It doesn't matter what you do now. It's a thing. Were you aware of it at the time when it started out that you were going in that way?

It felt, I mean, I'm sure you felt the same way when you were doing your show. You know, when you're in the bubble of it, you just kind of got to do the job yep it's every day yeah it's interesting because now we've been off the air for almost four years and i find that a new group of a new generation of people are discovering it yes and or people haven't been watching it are like watching it again. I feel like there's a new wave of, I don't know,

I'm receiving a lot of love from it, from strangers in a way that I hadn't before. It's a great show. Which is, oh, well, thank you. I mean, I'm really proud of it. But I think now that I'm out of it, I really feel, oh gosh, this is kind of a big thing. And I can compare it to the shows

that I grew up watching that I love so much, like Friends and Will and Grace and, you know, Steinfeld. Like I adore these shows. And I was like, oh God, I guess I am that for a lot of people. I am that thing. Or I was part of that show for a lot of people. But when it was happening, it just felt like, you know,

it was this thing that we were- It was a job, a good job. It was a great job. And, you know, we were, it's interesting because we. And, you know, we were, it's, it's interesting because we were, we could be, because we were on for so long,

we went through that whole trajectory of like, you know, we were the new show and everyone's excited about us. And then we were winning Emmy awards. And then like, we kind of sort of felt like, Oh God, people are maybe getting a little sick of us.

And then we stopped winning the Emmy awards. And then it was like, Oh, modern family has gone downhill. And, you know, you go through the whole thing of like, Oh, they've jumped the shark. And then, and then the show's done Awards and then it was like, oh, Modern Family's gone downhill. And you go through the whole thing of like, oh, they've jumped the shark and then the show's done

and then it's like, oh my God, but we missed the show so much and we wish it would do a reboot. Now we're in that place of people wanting the show to come back. So it's just, I feel like because it is a beloved show, we're going to see all those different phases

of love for the show. It'd be interesting if it comes back because you had kids on that show. Of course, kids do what they do, which is they grow up. And then everyone's like, wait, why isn't Manny, and Manny's like six foot five with a beard or something?

I still keep in touch with Aubrey, who played my daughter on the show, and we're still close. I went to her school play a few months ago, and I'm going to went to her school uh play uh a few months ago and i'm gonna go to her school musical that's coming up soon and i love supporting her her mom was like you don't you know that's really sweet of you to come to this it's like i feel like you know i'm proud of her i've i met her when she was three years old oh my and i have a three-year-old now and

it's like i can't even i you know that's part of the reason why i feel so connected to her is like the age that beckett is now is when I met Aubrey. And like, it's just such a, there's so much happening in that little brain right now. And the fact that I entered her life at that point, like, I want to be there for all these big moments because she means something to me. It's a very special relationship. It is nice. It's a funny thing, though, is you mentioned it with children because now, you know, you're a very busy parent and that very busy part of parenting, which in my experience so far, there isn't a not busy part of parenting, by the way.

You'll never sleep well again, ever. Like my oldest is coming up on 23. I'm like, oh, he's okay. Yeah. He's trying to get to sleep. I hope he's okay. I kind of hope I always feel that way. Yeah, I guess.

But the thing is, it changed me as a person. How long? When did you just stop drinking? When I was 29. Oh, okay. So this is before kids. Oh, yeah. I was 10 years sober before my son was born.

Oh, wow. And so I survived and I go better the 10 years before he was born. But I don't think I became anyone I really would like to be until at least my first kid came along. Yeah, yeah. And then I was like, okay, wait a minute. I changed a lot. Did it do it to you?

Yeah. I mean, the Oscars were last night, and Emma Stone won Best Actress. And she said something about her daughter, who I think she said was three. And she's like, you know, our world is technicolor now. And I was like, oh, God, that's so that's exactly what it is. Yeah.

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I get nostalgic for the kids' shows that I used to watch. When Milo was very young, I used to watch. Like when Milo was very young, I used to watch Teletubbies with him. And I was like, Oh my God, I wish I still smoked a shish. It'd be great.

And it's like, and I still remember all the Teletubbies names. Is that still a thing? I think it's less so now, but it's like vintage. Yeah. Yeah. It's like maybe the cool two year olds are watching Teletubbies. That's right. I don't know. I loved it's less so now, but it's like vintage. Yeah. Yeah. It's like maybe the cool two-year-olds are watching Teletubbies.

That's right. I don't know. I loved it. I mean, it's so ahead of its time as well. Would you look at it? It is wacky. It's crazy. It is made for people who are on hashish.

I think so. I think there was a lot of hash involved in the development of that. You were never called to any of that. Were you drugs and alcohol and everything? No. element of that. You were never called to any of that. Were you drugs

and alcohol and everything? No, I partake in weed sometimes, but mostly it's like, it's,

you know, very, very casually and socially. I think weed's like having a podcast now. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. It's like everybody kind of does it. I don't, I actually, I'm very, I'm not good around it. Yeah.

A lot of people aren't. I get angry about it because I'm in New York a lot and it's the street stink of it. Yeah, A lot of people aren't. I get angry about it because I'm in New York a lot and the streets stink of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now that it's legalized

it's kind of everywhere. And I'm like, and I see an old-fashioned drunk with a bottle of, you know, scotch in a paper bag. In a paper bag. And I say,

why does he have to hide his scotch in a paper bag and you can smoke weed and everybody else gets to inhale it? Or people will go, eh, eh, cigarettes, eh, eh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get annoyed. But if it's weed, they're like, oh, yeah, you know.

I mean, I was young enough when I moved to New York that I still remember, you know, when it was legal to smoke inside restaurants. Oh, yeah. Like, that was the era I, you know, where there was a smoking section and, you know, it didn't really matter. I can remember smoking sections on airplanes. Yes. I'm like, oh my God, the idea of that. Absolutely. That's so dangerous.

So dangerous. I'm like, oh no. Why do airplanes still have the little cigarette dispensers? Because they're old airplanes. They look new. And I just feel like they're creating new airplanes with these little...

Well, maybe there's certain markets in the world where you're allowed to smoke. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think what it is is they're not new.

They're clean. Right. Okay. I mean, they're not on the seats. That's when it's really old. But like in the bathrooms, there's like the ones on the door sometimes. I'm always fascinated by that.

Maybe, I don't know. I was on a plane yesterday, which I didn't... No, I don't think I saw any cigarette-y thing. But they do say that thing about... I had a friend, a theater director, actually, who couldn't take a long flight without sneaking a smoke in the bathroom. And I was like, man, they will put you in jail for that.

And he's like, you know, I just take a couple of puffs and then I put it out. I'm like, they'll put you in jail. I'm sure there's some sort of a smoke detector in there. He says that if you put your head right inside the bathroom. And I'm like, no, no, that's so dangerous. Yeah, I know. But you smoke a little weed and that's it. That's it, yeah. Mostly edibles too.

Yeah, that's the way people do it now. I couldn't do it. Any kind of cannabis product made me very antsy. Yeah, it just sometimes helps me sleep. Yeah. Well, you get your meditation for that now plus you don't get to sleep now no kids young children no do you have theatrical ambitions for your children do you have any rules about that oh it's you know because i i it's interesting

because i i i was just talking about aubrey who i met when she was Beckett's age. And I can't imagine, first of all, doing the show Modern Family without Aubrey. I can't imagine that. Right. She was part of the show. She's part of the experience. But I also can't imagine bringing Beckett into an audition. I just don't think he, first of all, would do that well. Like, he's a great kid.

I just don't think he has it in him. But also just asking, you know, it's a lot to ask of a kid. I think so. I wouldn don't think he has it in him. But also just asking, you know, it's a lot to ask of a kid. I think so. I wouldn't let my boys do it. Yeah. And both of them were interested

and I'm like, nah. Really? The youngest ones. At what age did they show interest? Well, they were around

all the time. You know what I mean? It was like, I had, I mean, I had the wiggles on Late Night Show because Milo liked him

when he was two. Right. You know, it was like, it's always been part of the family dynamic. And I said, Milo, who's 23 now, and he graduated at SVA in animation and he has his own animation studio. And he's so in that world that I kind of said,

no, not until you decide to be in it. But he did decide to go in it. Right, right, right. But I didn't want to push it. And my youngest boys, I have the same feeling. Like, if you're old enough and you want to do it, sure.

So for me, it was, theater was something that brought me out of my shell. Like, I saw a play with my mom when I was very young. Right. I remember sitting in

the audience thinking oh i don't want to be sitting in the audience i want to be on stage doing what they're doing for the people in the audience yeah and i asked my mom if i could join the local i mean it was a community theater group it wasn't anything professional but like uh you know i think she was sort of shocked that i wanted to do that and i've now and i think it was so good for me and it really gave me a sense of like community and I was like oh here are my people

and like I felt very comfortable around this group of kids who are interested in this thing whereas you know at school I didn't feel like I had that right that network of people that I trusted and you know I've taken Beckett

my son to you know kids shows but like live performances of things and he's a really attentive audience member. And he loves seeing live theater. I mean, listen, I'm taking kids shows, but still. And I feel like if he wanted to explore that, I would say, okay.

Just kind of knowing that that's what I did. But yeah, it's tricky because we live in Los Angeles. Like the opportunities are there. If like I wanted to like bring him in and have him audition for something but I just I don't know it's uh it's that tricky balance of like it's an occupation I personally love so much but at the same time I know how complicated and terrible it can be well it can be very painful the rejection thing and the idea that that I mean look everyone, everyone, everyone swings and misses. Everyone, you know, experiences rejection in show business.

Everyone. Yeah. But I just couldn't bear it for my children. The idea that they would, you know, somebody would let them know they weren't the right. Right. Like, I couldn't, it's awful. But maybe that's more about me than it is about them. right like I couldn't

it's awful but maybe that's more about me than it is about them we had you know our cast Modern Family won four SAG awards

I think for our second third fourth and fifth season Aubrey again who plays my daughter joined us

I think on the third season so she had two SAG awards you know like she was six and she had two SAG awards

like the collective weight of both awards were double her weight it's a human being and um i remember the year we didn't win uh for the first time she was very upset she cried and she was like she climbed on her mom's lap and she was bawling and i feel like it was francis mcdermott who was sitting at the table next to us. I think it was the year of Nomadland or one of the shows she won for. And she looked over at Aubrey and she goes, disappointment only gets worse as you get older.

She was so jaded by it all. And I just thought, well, it's true. But I guess what you learn to do when you're older is you compartmentalize it and it's not personal. I mean, to any degree. I mean, not always. But I mean, look, when I hear no, I don't want to ask because I might hear no. I think that it's a good thing, though, for a parent to try and protect children from that kind of thing. People talk about, well, I was spanked as a kid and didn't do me any harm. You go, what, didn't it? I mean, listen to you. I don't know. Do you have any kind of hard and fast rules about parenting that you find controversial?

Or others find controversial, maybe? I don't think so. I mean, who knows? But I know when Justin and I first, you know, told our family that we were pregnant, we were like, you know, no iPads, no screens in this house. Oh, yeah. And of course, that all went, you know. Yeah, good luck with that. Right.

And you'll never, ever meet a better parent than somebody who's just about to have their first kid. Right. I know, I know, I know. You know, these things that we think we're going to do. But anyway, yeah, we definitely pivoted quickly. And I don't think that I do anything super controversial. They're, you Well, I guess, look, you're a two-daddy family, as they say in the elementary schools in LA. That's not controversial around here, though, is it?

I don't think so. That's just parts of it. Maybe further into the... Yeah, yeah. maybe further further into the yeah yeah I mean he did Becca did ask us about

you know a mom like where like why do some people have moms and some people don't you know it was

it's interesting I guess because do you have to try and explain I don't know how I mean look I haven't been in the position so I don't know what does one do

well we just explain that there's different types of families and some people have you know one of each and some people have just one mom one dad

and some people have two dads and two moms you know he gets it i think that's all you need to to do i think to go too much deeper than that yeah we went a bit like that because megan and i got married when milo was uh well we got together when he was four so he's very young and didn't quite understand the like, well, how come mom lives over there, Megan's like mom, but she lives in the house here. And there was a great book about it. There's a couple of good kid books about it. And there was lots of different,

love makes families or something. Some guy called Todd something, I remember. The great kids book about all different, like two daddy families, two mommy families, two, you know, families two you know one mommy family one daddy family you know our our youngest is obsessed with llama llama red pajama and it's this it's this pretty famous book but you know it's all about mama mama and the llama mama llama and red pajama and too much drama he's crying but it's it keeps repeating the mama

llama llama yeah mama where's my mama and but he loves the book and so like i was like well yeah we're gonna read this book because he's i'm not gonna like change it to papa because the whole rhyme is built on the whole book's built on this rhyme like i'm gonna destroy the integrity of the writing good for you that's a well-trained actor i think you know respect the text Find a way to make it work. Don't go changing the text to work for you.

You're the actor. Yes, that's right. Good for you. That's right. I remember having an interesting discussion with an actor once

about the classic line, my character wouldn't say that. Yes. And I had written the part. Okay. And I said,

well, that's the character I wrote. So if your character wouldn't say that, you're playing the wrong character. Right, right, well, that's the character I wrote. So if your character wouldn't say that, you're playing the wrong character. Right, right, right. It wasn't a great day.

When you read, I presume you read to your kids, right? Yes. So, when I was reading to the kids, I really enjoyed myself

doing different voices. Did you do all that as well? I try to. Yeah. I'm really bad at dialects, but, you know, that sometimes makes it Oh, man, I love doing Danny and the Dinosaur.

There's a line in it I still remember because I always, it's a suggestive carry-on movie line. There's a line in it where a woman says to the dinosaur who helps her with her groceries, she says, Oh, thank you for helping me with my bundles, said a lady. And I used to always say that. And I don't know why I get such a,

and I can still do Curious George by heart. Oh, yeah? Yeah, because I was on the road a little bit when Liam was very young. So I used to, at night, I'd phone in

and then I would do the bedtime story and I just learned it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now I can do it. If you need me to do Curious George for you right now, I can do it. The audio book, you should do it. You should be recorded.

I'm sure. You know what? I can do another one. Yeah. I'll do it for nothing. Yeah. I'll do it to be sued for the copyright. Yeah.

Right. Right. All right. It's a joy to speak to you. You are, you're such a lovely man. I, I enjoy it. Even though you're one of the fancy Tyler Fergusonons as opposed to just an old fashioned Ferguson. Yes.

You seem to still keep your feet on the ground. I know where I came from. Yeah. I know where you came from. I've been there. Yeah. Yeah. You should go there one day. I can't wait. Yeah. Yeah. You'd love it. They'd love you. I know.

You know, they live in this big, giant old country estate in Scotland, the original Fergusons. They're still there. I've got to go. You should. You'd love it. Take the kids. Yeah. It'd be a fun thing.

Yeah, I've been to Ireland, but not Scotland. The other side of my family is Irish. Right, yeah. The Doyle side. Yeah, I've got that too. Yeah. That's amazing. It's a fun mix.

Oof. Yeah, it is. But it happens. It's great to see you. Good to see you too. It's fun mix. Yeah, it is. But it happens. It's great to see you. Good to see you too. Get out of here. Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life in marriage. I just filed for divorce. Whoa. I said the words that I've said like in my head for like 16 years.

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