Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Joel McHale

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

Joel McHale, an Italian born-American actor, comedian, television presenter, and Craig’s long time friend. He is best known for hosting The Soup and his role as Jeff Winger on the NBC sitcom Community. Take a break from the holiday festivities and listen to this engaging and funny chat between two buds. enJOY! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We also solve mysteries like how Chinese is your Chinese food and how do dollar stores make money. And then, of course, can you game a dog show? So what you're saying is everyone should be listening. Listen to Part-Time Genius on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness.

Joel McHale is about as tall as a person should be. And he's funny. And he's my friend. Here he is. What were you doing when you were 18? Oh, man. That's made me feel very nervous. Let's see, 18, I was in a...

What were you doing when you were... You were sporty, so that kind of... I was very sporty. That saved see, 18, I was in a... What were you doing? You were sporty. So that can probably... I was very sporty. That saved you probably from the world of drugs and stuff. But we, yeah, my brothers and I had already totaled five cars. And my dad was like, I'm going to have a tick. And he was like, I'm having a tremor because of you guys.

That made me so nervous. Well, how come you totaled cars? I mean, were you driving them, stealing them? No, no. We just weren't great at it. It took us a while. You know, it is like learning a sport. We just were very lucky we didn't get hurt.

But I think of you like, you're kind of all American though. So when you were crashing those cars, you were crashing them in a wholesome, reasonably wholesome way. Oh, very much so. Yeah. I crashed them into like a Walmart. Yeah. Yeah, I was very charitable. And you were sober when you were crashing those cars. Oh yeah, definitely.

Though, you know, there was people in my high school who weren't. So yeah, I was I really enjoyed my teenage years. Did you really? Like I loved like I was terrible at school, but I loved playing sports and I loved driving. You were like proper like uh football player like a tight end right well i played one year in high school and then i joined the team when i was a freshman in college out of sort of a whim but as far like so i had played a few years but i played baseball and basketball and

see that's very impressive and wholesome and good that's why you're in such great shape now because you got into it when you were young oh no this is desperation no because some of my friends who are way better athletes now they look like you know like a swollen alien that happens too like guys wait like they're a blob now they're just like a blob with multiple you know like the thing the thing? Have you seen the thing? How do you know that? But that could be great shape for the thing. I mean, that species...

Oh, you're right. I mean, you're applying human... It could have been a very lean thing that just devoured human beings. It was only devouring protein. There wasn't any carbohydrates. It was on that diet. Was that diet again? The protein, the keto diet?

Keto with those Atkins. Well, your thing is with those diets, because I've tried them all. The keto one in particular, I think you poop like once every couple of weeks. It's not enough for me. Well, I save it and date it. Save it and date it?

Have it analyzed. No. Salvador Dali used to do it. He used to like in his diary every morning, he would start talking about what his poop was like. What a loser. You're like the guy that's one of the greatest painters ever. Well, I feel like he was pretty...

He was okay. Come on. Yeah, he was a great draftsman, but something of a showman, I think. You think the melting clocks were just a bit much? Ah, come on. Or the tiger bursting out of the gun. You know what I like? I like a sort of blue-hued senorita on velvet.

Now you got something. Elvis maybe on velvet. Velvet Elvis. Who was the artist? I think it was Mogdigliani. Mogdigliani did that? Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think that's the one that made him get drunk afterwards.

He's like, what have I done? Was he Italian or French? I can't remember. That sounded like neither. What have I done? I made a velvet Elvis. Now I must kill myself. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Now I would watch this series. See, I didn't think of you. Are you an art aficionado? Like, seriously, are you? No, I'm good't think of you. Are you an art aficionado? Are you like seriously? No, I'm good at faking it. Sarah is an art aficionado. That's what I was going to say.

Sarah is really smart with the art. She knows all that stuff. I took one class in college. The history of Renaissance art was kind of a, you know, a survey. And that really set me up great for parties. So you could say to the girl, that's how you go. Sarah, isn't it? You were like, do you like Velazquez?

Yeah. It was like, you know, Giotto's Chapel. Oh, nice. In Padua. And then you could say you were born in Italy, because I always forget that. You were born in Italy, so you can do the whole,

what's the comment ago? I don't understand your language. Yay! A lot of this, you can't see it on the microphone, but I'm just taking the tips of my fingers and doing a lot of this. You know what that is? That microphone, but I'm just taking the tips of my fingers. You're doing a lot of this. You know what that is?

That's the upside-down emus right there. That's what you do, the upside-down emus. Wait, where were you born? New Zealand. Were you really? No. I was born in Scotland. People bring up the Italian, like, oh, you were born in Rome.

Like I had anything to really do with it other than a period. Well, yeah, but I mean, what age were you when you were born in Rome. Like, I had anything to really do with it other than appear it. Well, yeah. But, I mean, what age were you when you left Italy? 31. Well, so you got a little bit of... No, like, you know, two. But can you speak Italian? No.

What? I did lose my passport there. It got stolen. And I walked into the American consulate. And they kept coming back because they saw that I was born in Italy. They were like, they were so confused. I'm like, I lost my passport. Do you have any bubble gum?

I hate Al-Qaeda. I don't know what's going on. I can't buy any peanut butter. And they were like, you're not an Italian. I'm like, well, not kind of. What's the coming of God? I kind of find my passport. That's bad, isn't it?

No, it's good. You know what? Do you know what happens in Glasgow? There's a big Italian community in Glasgow. And the Italians, especially second generation, they speak Glasgow accents, but they have Italian Glasgow accents. So it's amazing.

It's like, hey, how are you? How are you doing? You come into my shop. And maybe we come over here. Do you like the fish and chips? It's very, very strange. I love it. That needs to be a show.

Italian-Glaswegian? Yeah, that's a... It's a great thing. It's got to be a show. And I'm guessing the food game got upped. Oh my God. They changed the country. When the Italians and the Pakistanis

and the Indians came to Scotland, they improved it by like a thousand percent. Because up until that point, all we ate was like mud and then custard at Christmas, all made of potatoes. Mud. Mud and custard. It was mud until Christmas and then back to mud in January. Yeah, but you got custard for Christmas Day.

Made of mud. Mud custard, obviously. I'm assuming now, I mean, obviously with the food revolution, now there's like high-end Scottish cooking. Oh my God, yeah. The haggis has never been better. Yeah, I mean, and the haggis is actually, there's like high-end scottish cooking where oh my god yeah like the haggis has never been better yeah i mean in the haggis is actually is like a well you're a foodie guy aren't you like food but yet you only eat one meal a day yeah it's a die uh you know it's a duality that yeah well the the the young angelity or maybe it's just a straight up uh eating disorder

oh i hope so do you think so i just thought it could be just, well, you know, I try to keep below a certain weight. I want to be 122 pounds all the time. Dude, that's never going to happen. I have to lose 78 pounds. Your arm weighs 122 pounds. Look at that arm. That's an amazing arm. During the pandemic. But only one. You look like a crab that lost a fight. What happened to you? Just working one'm just... Just working one arm. The claw got ripped off. During the pandemic, I was like, if I don't work out every day, I'm going to just...

But you're in great shape. I mean, you look like you're 30 years old. Thank you for saying that. Well, it's true. Well, it's also the hair transplants that help too. You've got a hair transplant

and you work out? Yeah. I transplanted all this down here up there. I don't believe you because it would be much curlier and finer. You have no idea

what it's like down there. Oh, I have hair. It's so fair. This is the hair I always wanted. Well, my hair? Yeah. You want my hair, man. And you know what was great?

Because you have some gray hair. Yeah, a lot of it. You went gray early. Yeah. And it was hard to tell what your age was. Not anymore. Well, I disagree. Because you have...

Dude, I'm 61 usually. Damn. I know. Because you have... Dude, I'm 61 years old. I know. It's terrifying. It's terrifying. I mean, like, when I get up in the morning, like, just stand up out of bed, like, crickety noises. Like, all my bones click.

And your wife is like, Oh, who dropped the matches? Did you get a hip replacement during the... While you were sleeping? I thought about it. But you're, you look great. I'm okay. I'm okay.

I also eat one meal a day. But then what I do is I eat all day. It starts at 8 a.m. I think I may have an eating disorder a little bit. I have an unhealthy, pathological relationship with food, for sure. Because, like, I'm staying in a hotel right now, right? You know the drawer that has candy in it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I went to that drawer yesterday, I'm staying in a hotel right now, right? You know the drawer that has candy in it?

Oh yeah. Yeah, I went to that drawer yesterday and I was like a raccoon. I just like ate everything, like the wrappers were all everywhere and everything.

It's a mess. And I... So if it's in front of you, you're going to eat it. Yeah, I'm like the dog. You know, if you bring groceries home and you leave them

in the room with me, I'll eat them. See, I scream out loud, get behind me, Satan, when I see that candy. And sure, people in the other rooms complain. Because they think Satan's in your room. Right. But it's good for me to just declare it. And then I usually flush it all down the toilet with the cocaine.

I did that. I did that. No way. Yeah, I tried that. I was on tour. And there was like like they give, you know how sometimes you go and play a casino or something and they say, oh, enjoy the chocolate

basket, you know. So there was a basket of chocolate in my room and I was like, I don't know what to do because it was the middle of the night. So I dipped it in the toilet so that I wouldn't eat it. And then you ate it. That's like you know me. But you burn. Are you still doing stand up

and stuff like that around do you ever do it still I do it's been harder I take gigs like casino gigs where I'm like I can get there

do it but I haven't had as much time to work on stuff so there's a lot of you know there's a lot of scrambling and writing jokes

to where I'm going and talking about like that's all right. Here we are in Calgary. Yeah. And so I have one more gig and then, yeah. And you're not going to do it anymore?

Well, no, I love doing it. Yeah, it's great. It's fabulous. You burn a lot of calories doing it. I used to. I don't anymore. I just stand there now. I'm like Gaffigan now.

I just stand there and say things. I'm like sweary Gaffigan. I feel like Gaffigan's, he's beginning to move towards a, you know, it's getting... Getting edgier? Yeah, it's getting a little edgier. Well, you know, Jim, when he started out, it was pretty edgy. And then he made the stylistic choice to stop swearing. I couldn't do that.

No, I tried it. And then I tell you, I did it a little bit. I did a couple of shows with Leno and Arsenio Hall during the summer in casinos and they said you have to do a PG-13 show so I did

and I kind of liked it you can't say fuck I'm PG-13 no I think you get one but Arsenio went on first and he used up so that's it

and you're like oh well I can't do that it's not one it's one for the night not one per person I don't know I didn't want to risk it because you you know, people get mad at you.

I think Leno should come out with a special called Fucking Shit Up and just blow away. It would be huge. He is an amazing stand-up. I mean, still, I was watching him because I'd never seen him live. And I was watching him like, damn, I get it. You know, it's a different. Have you ever seen him him because I'd never seen him live. And I was watching him like, damn, I get it. You know, it's a different, have you ever seen him live? I have never seen him live. It will blow your mind or it'll blow some heart.

Something will get blown. I did a car show with him. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, but it didn't, obviously, it's not the same thing. Well, he wasn't doing stand-up, but it's much the same. I said to him, I don't know if I know my act. And he said, just keep talking. They don't know the scripts.

Just keep talking. That's true. So you should do that when you're worried about, do I have enough material? Just keep talking. And if it's not funny, they'll just think you're not that good. But that's all right. He tried, though.

They'll think he tried. He stood up there and talked into the microphone. I did do a show in Texas and they were like, I didn't realize it, but they wanted to be a clean show. Okay.

So, Did you do it? I opened up in prayer and said, dear God, please help me not to say fuck or shit so much. Did you actually do that?

Yeah. And then I put out a swear jar. And then, so there was like a bunch, it actually worked. Did they forgive you? They did. Well, the weird part is that there was like four big, rich, like Yellowstone donors. Right. Two of them were very like conservative as far as talk.

And then the other two were screaming fuck at me. They were like, say fuck. We don't care. All right. And so I was like, I don't know what to do. It's the duality of man. It's right there. It's the Jungian dilemma.

You know, it's one way or another way. It's Mogdangliani making the velvet office. You know, it is. Do you think that if you, when you stop swearing, do you feel like I'm betraying my country? No, I feel like I'm doing better. I feel like I'm betraying my country? No, I feel like I'm doing better. I feel like I'm finally growing up. And then, I don't know, it's difficult. You know, when people say things like, the stuff that makes me angry

is when people say, well, good comedian doesn't have to swear. I'm like, well, so then Richard Pryor's not a good comedian. Yeah, Eddie Murphy's a bad comedian. Yeah, I mean, that's absurd. It's language, and language is glorious. And, you know, when you mention Scottish people and swear, nobody swears like Scottish people. It's beautiful.

Scottish and Irish people, it's kind of like... It flows so well. Unbelievably wonderful sweariness. But, yeah, I suppose I do feel like I'm betraying the country when I don't swear, so fuck it. I'm not going to do it anymore. Do your kids swear? I'm afraid they do yes I do mine yeah and my parents did not like swearing at all so I felt yeah when I got out of the house you really let fly well look at this

shit yeah I think it was a reaction did you leave that did you leave the house early I mean were you were you out when you were young me like 18, kind of. I went to college and moved out. But then... Were you a dorm guy? Were you like, you know... I was in a fraternity for one quarter. And? And I did not like it.

I can't imagine. You're too smart. Oh. Well, I mean... You're smart and you're sensitive. You really are. Thank you. You'd lose your fucking mind in that world.

No. And so I moved back home. And because I was like, ah, this will be temporary. I'll finish out the year. Yeah. And so I moved back home and because it was like, I was like, ah, this will be temporary. I'll finish out the year. Yeah. And then I just never did. You stayed home for college?

My mom worked at the university I went to. So my mom and I drove every morning to college together. You must have got so late when you were in college turning out with your mom.

Hey, who's getting out of that Toyota Camry? That's right. But here's the thing. Parked in the handicapped spot. But you and Sarah met pretty early on. I mean, you were young.

Yeah, I got married when I was 24. And you're still married and still happy. Yeah. That's great. I can't believe, again, as I said, someone agrees to have sex with me. Well, you know, she's an odd woman. She's a fascinating person. She's got unusual taste. And that's great. It works. You know what? Talk about charity. And she's an odd woman. She's a fascinating person. She's got unusual taste, and that's great.

It works. You know what? Talk about charity. And she's artistic. She likes an unusual shape and a juxtaposition of forms and stuff. How do you know so much about what I look like down there? I don't know if that's what you look like down there. It's a guess based on what you've told me.

And also, you removed all your hair from there. Yeah, there's nothing. Do you know what happens? And skin. I'm in so much pain right now. Oh, no, that's bad. Is this what you end up talking to Leno about? We talked about cars, I think, a little bit. I really hope he doesn't die from what he's doing.

He's okay. He's all right. I was like, oh, I this this is becoming a pattern now well he showed me he said do you want to see the uh photographs of the operation i'm like uh no but yeah so on his phone he has photographs of while they're fixing his face after the burns and the the surgical procedure i was like who's taking the photographs jayman hey some doctor he's taking the photographs, Jamie? It's some doctor. He's taking the photographs.

I said, yeah, take these photographs. And he shows his face with all the, I mean, it's crazy. It's like.

And then how many months later did he wipe out on the motorcycle? It was like two months. It was like, but you're a car guy, aren't you? I am, but I don't.

Are you motorcycles too? No. No, me neither. I'm done with that shit. That is a young man's game. That is a game to play when you don't have kids. You know, I had an accident when I was 40.

You ever have an accident on a motorbike? No. I've had bike accidents, but I can't imagine what it would be like going triple the speed. It's unbelievable, man. I've been hit by some big fucking dudes, and so have you. You played football, right? Yeah. It's unbelievable, man. I've been hit by some big fucking dudes, and so have you. You played football, right?

Yeah. It's worse than that. It's worse than that, and I was, oh, my God. I was like, oh, it's so painful. And then about, I don't know, maybe three weeks ago, I fell off a horse.

What the fuck were you doing on a horse? I like being on horses. Okay. You know Megan has horses. Well, that's true. So I? I like being on horses. Okay. You know, Megan has horses. Well, that's true. So I have to like... But you fell off. I fell off the horse.

That's a big fall. Yeah. And I was like, I'm too old for this now. Because when I was lying on the ground, I thought, this could be it. How did you fall off the horse? Well, you know, it's a long story. But basically, the girth was a little tight. It nipped underneath his little leg thing. He bucked and threw me right off. Big horse, too. Yeah, you know, it's a long story, but basically the girth was a little tight. It nipped underneath his little leg thing.

He bucked and threw me right off. Big horse, too. Yeah, I know. But I was only winded because I landed in sand. But I felt, you know when you get winded? Yeah, when you get that. And you think, I think my spine's gone. I think I'm done.

Yeah, breathe. Yeah. Yeah, I don't play basketball now because i get scared you gotta do something you're in the gym or something because i go to the i i work out every day right i play tennis now because you can't run into other people playing tennis that unless you're playing doubles okay do you do you like the tennis i love it so much jesus i stopped running because i have a torn meniscus but i can still still move around the tennis court. I just got to hit it really hard, so they have

to move. It's funny, I really don't care for tennis. It's the sport of your land. Wasn't it Henry VIII who played tennis? I don't know. Shakespeare mentioned it. I think the thing about tennis is it seems like a sort of it feels like it's a petty

situation. You take the. Like you take the ball. No, you take the ball. No, you take the ball. It's like somebody just keep the ball. You could make the same argument about soccer. They're like, why do you keep passing it backwards? Yeah, you know, you could. I'm not lying. I feel like I'm not very connected to sport in a big way. I like to run. Do you go for runs? I do go for runs. And you can still run well. Your knees are all right? It's a little trickier than it used to way. I like to run. Do you go for runs? I do go for runs, yeah.

And you can still run well? Your knees are all right? It's a little trickier than it used to be. I have to slow down, yeah. It's a lot of pounding. No, I think with tennis... I do a lot of pounding, and I go for a run.

Hey, see? I think tennis is like a boxing match, because it's... I used to do that a lot, too. See? Yeah. You never boxed? I never boxed.

You'd love it, man. I should have, but I would be all messed up lot too. See? Yeah. You never boxed? I never boxed. You'd love it. I should have, but I would be all messed up. No, no, no, no, no. You can box without, you can wear some stuff and box with someone that you pay to not hurt you. It works out, especially in LA. Well, yeah, there's all sorts of gyms with white guys. Yeah. Who are like, I can do it.

Go to Karen boxing, you know, with all the white women of a certain age are out boxersizing. They're just yelling at people. No, no, no. What are you doing in this neighborhood? Get out of here. And they punch and stuff. Want to know how to leverage culture to build a successful business. And Butternomics is the podcast for you.

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Duffy Culligan. It does not sound like a boxer. And in the other corner, Duffy Culligan. Now, Culligan's out at Tipperary, and it's going to be a hard match today. It's going to be a hard match. He got his nose broken. Yeah. So he showed up to school.

He showed up to, our kids used to go to the same school every once in a while. He just showed up. You were at gone by then. Yeah. It looked like,

yeah, that someone had poured blood under his skin and it spread out over his face. See, I never did that kind of box and that's real box.

I used to box with a Mexican guy in California. He used to come to us and he would train me and I'd box, but we'd spa. He Mexican guy in California. He used to come to the house and he would train me and I'd box, but we'd spar. He would come to your home?

He would come to the house and we would box in the backyard. I like how you paid a guy to try to beat you up. No, no, here's the thing. I paid him money so that he wouldn't beat me up because he could have beat me up.

Right. But I always knew I was hitting him really hard because when I really fucking left, like if I really got him well he'd go like this, good and he would smile that's when you know you're dealing

that's why I was like, when people get into fights on the street, I'm like, you have no idea who you're dealing with, you don't know what could happen no, it's bad, were you ever a scrapper when you were a kid? I got into a number of, I went to Catholic school so we were always there was a number of, I went to Catholic school. So we were always, there was always, there was a lot of tackle football with no pads during recess

and you never knew. But the last, oh, I guess it was post-college that I challenged someone to fight. To a duel? I was like, I challenged thee. And I had this beautiful pistols that I had brought. No, I was on a co-ed softball team, and one of the guys decided not to slide into second.

He just ran over this nice woman who was our second baseman. And I was like, oh, I'm seeing red. I'm going to go kill someone. Ah, you lost your temper. And it doesn't, I never, usually ever, that was like the the last time I was like, oh, you need to be careful. So but no, I never. I feel like there's less. Maybe there's more fistfights.

I don't know. I got into a few, but I wasn't good. You know, it always ended up on the ground, like rolling around. Yeah, I think that that I don't know. I mean, like you're 10 years younger than me. Something like that. Right. I literally am.

Right. So I have way better hair. Well, you're much better shape. That's so, you know way better hair. Well, you're in much better shape. So, you know, I'm like a hairy, out of shape alien. You are not out of shape. I'm a little out of shape. All right. Like yesterday when I went crazy on the candy drawer in the hotel like a raccoon, it was bad.

Had you eaten? No, I had gone like 24 hours without food. So, your body was like... I was just crazy. Did you get into a lot of fights? Yeah. Yeah, I did.

Like you, like, would you start fights or did you just find yourself in the middle of it? Yeah. It was kind of like de rigueur. It was kind of like having a Twitter account when I was growing up. But like everybody, it's X.

Oh yeah. Well, Twix, I call it now. Oh, cause it's way better. Twitter and X. You mix them together.

Twix. I'm going to send out a Twix. And then you get a Twix bar. And then you get a Twix. You get a little candy bar. Go crazy on it like a raccoon. This is a great idea. It's working well for me.

when's the last time you swung or were swung at not in a boxing lesson? Or in a, like in, in like, I'm in a fight.

I think it'd probably be about 1990. Okay. Yeah, because I got sober in 1992. And by the time it was 1990, I was already losing badly in every aggressive situation. Were they as intoxicated? Oh, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. There was no way that anybody sober was going to seriously get in a fight with me because it would be, you know, it'd be taking advantage of something.

You got out of drinking at the right time because you perpetually, like, you know, when people get out of it late, they look like their skin is a leather bag and you don't have any of that. Their skin is a leather bag. Oh, yeah. And you don't have any of that. Well, you know, people that I were, you were talking about guys that were athletes at the same time as you, and they go crazy, and they stop working out, and they just eat the same amount of calories,

and just end up like, well, I see guys that I used to hang with who I drank with, who never stopped. And it's like crazy. They're like, they can't walk and stuff and they're your age yeah yeah it's it's like and they come up and go oh we have the same age and i'm like are we though and then it's like oh you were in california i went yeah it's not really about california yeah it's a it's a little more complicated than just going to california yeah because there's a lot of meth here

yeah there is although that keeps you young apparently it does it really keeps the heart rate up and keeps you skinny so let me ask you this so you went to Catholic school right? I did. Are you still a Catholic? No they do say one's a Catholic well I still have the guilt

and I'll be running away from that for a long time and some of the shame. But you're not, did you raise, well, our boys went to the same school and that was a secular school. That's, well, yes,

they rented that. Yeah. Episcopalian. Right. But it was a secular, you know, learning experience. There was no kind of.

Yeah. No. And I, to this day, I love the ritual of the Catholic Mass. Yeah. And my wife and I are basically Presbyterians now. Oh. And I like the ritual, and I, to this day, I love the ritual of the Catholic Mass. Yeah. And my wife and I are basically Presbyterians now. Oh.

And I like the ritual, but boy, it is, yeah, it's from a, you know, a guy that said, give up all your possessions. I know, I know. And then you go to the Vatican, you're like, wow, you can sell one of these paintings and feed Brazil. I know. It is a little tricky. Yeah, it's a juxtaposition. I think. It is a little tricky. Yeah, it's a juxtaposition. I think what it is

is because I've become fascinated with Christianity. As I get older, I think about dying more. I don't know if that's... You're still a bit young. Oh, no, I've been thinking about it

for 25 years. Really? Yeah, as soon as I hit 21, I was like, I'm dead. It's over. It's kind of a thing.

I mean, I do think about it. So, you know, I'm intrigued by Christianity. And as you say, it started with like, give up all your stuff and walk around and just... Love people. Yeah.

Didn't talk about gay people. Didn't talk about... No, never mentioned any of that stuff. Never, never. Wasn't part of it. Wasn't judgments on anybody. But what happened, I think, is when... I think the equivalent of when Constantine co-opted Christianity into the empire, right?

Roman Empire. And it became the Roman Catholic Church. Yeah. I think that's like when, and it hasn't happened yet, but it'll happen in the next couple of years, when Starbucks opens a store at Burning Man, it's a similar type of co-option. Do you know what I mean? type of co-option. Do you know what I mean? It's like it's the incorporation of something that was wildly counterculture being

brought further and further into the mainstream until it is available on Amazon Prime. So do you think Peter one of the apostles was already getting bad like as far as he was like, this is not how it used to be. Guys, we should definitely not have this. It's way too

nice. Definitely. I mean, I think the minute they started writing the Gospels and they were kind of like, they not how it used to be guys we should definitely not have oh definitely way too nice definitely i mean i think the minute they started writing the gospels and they were kind of like they started writing the gospels uh so that they were like the roman involvement they kind of like tried to move that out like pontius pilate didn't really want to kill jesus no just pilot wouldn't even think about it he was killing people all over the place. He was like, he crucified more people than you've had candy bars. I mean, he crucified

thousands of people, Borges Pilate. I like to think I haven't had that many candy bars. Well, okay, that was a bad example. Salary sticks? Salary sticks, yeah. But then he gave up a rapist. Yeah, and that, see that whole thing? I mean, I feel like a lot has been lost in this storytelling over time.

Do you think when that one pope, there was a couple that led armies? They were like, it seems, well, whatever. Okay, we're cool. Do you know what I love about, because I love the history of the popes. When they had the cadaver synod, do you know what that was? No. It was great. So one, I can't remember the exact popes,

and I look forward to your emails and twixes, but there was one pope who was really mad at another pope. These things happen. So the pope that was mad at the other pope, this pope dies, and the other pope that was mad at him is now the new pope. Right. Right?

So he digs up the cadaver of the, you know, the body of the other pope. He brings the decomposing corpse into the courtroom and put it on trial. And of course he loses. He's found guilty. You're kidding. Didn't get a chance to speak for himself.

But his lawyer was also dead. Yeah. But it's really freaky. I think there was one that was like a teenage pope. No joke. Really? And turned it into a brothel at one point. Now that's a TV show. How about the time when there was one that was like a teenage pope. No joke. And really turned it into a brothel. Now that's a TV show. How about the time when there was two popes,

the ones in France and then the ones in Italy? Cause they were just mad. But they made the Chateauneuf-du-Pape, which is just a wonderful one. Is that where that comes from? Yeah. Because they were like, these are the special grapes.

It's the Chateau of the Pope. And I did like that. Even when I was drinking, I remember that from back in the day. You know, our grapes, they really nailed it. i said to megan once just as a young boy she was drinking a fancy wine i went oh you know what if i ever drink again i'm gonna you know start drinking that and she went yeah you'll last half an hour on this then it'd be fucking hairspray but they ended right to ethanol but it is would you if you know you're on your, let's say you have like,

you're dying, you're on your deathbed and you're like, well, I guess I'll have a whiskey sour. You know, kind of like, you know,

like Clint Eastwood and, you know, Unforgiven. Yeah, Unforgiven. You wouldn't realize like, oh yeah, I'm going to die

so I'm just going to start drinking again. Yeah, no, that, I, see, I read that completely differently in Unforgiven.

That's interesting you say that because when I I see I read that completely differently in Unforgiven that's interesting you say that because when I would I love that movie and I think it is a study of alcoholism oh because

when he knows he's going to get in that gunfight and he's going to die but really what he thinks I'm going to have to fucking kill people oh

and so I read it as he's like I can't fucking do this so I can't fucking oh no I was just like I was like yeah, he knows he's going to die. So what the fuck? So drink the thing. Why not?

No, I saw it as. I don't make him a better gunfighter. But it's interesting. To loosen him up. No, I don't think I would. I don't stay sober. It's not a chore to stay sober. I stay sober because I like it.

But I think, though, there are drugs around. Like, I'm so glad I missed the opiate thing. Right. Because that shit. It'll kill you. I mean, they'll all kill you. Well, sure. But the opiate stuff, I mean, I had a medical procedure for like a dental thing.

And they gave me one under supervision for like extreme pain. And I was like, my God, this is like 15 years ago. And I still think about it. Wow. Like one, you know, and it was like my god this is like 15 years ago and I'm I still think about it wow like one you know and it was you know the guy was like giving it to me with gloves and it was a smoking test tube and stuff like that I'm still like no I can understand how people get consumed by that shit but when you took it so you're in crushing pain I'm assuming you either had like a like you had a like a some sort of root a, like a, some sort of root canal. It was a root canal that had become.

Which is one of the most painful. It was agony. And you did it without anesthesia? No, I did. You got all that. I got the anesthesia, but, but there was something wrong afterwards, after the procedure. So they had to bring the pain down for a minute and then they did. And was it like, oh, I could get used to this high

or thank God for this relief from this crushing pain in my mouth? Not entirely sure. That's the thing. And I still think about it because the removal of the pain was amazing. And I'm so grateful that I live in a time when that could happen. But there was also a feeling of ecstasy which i feel probably was not connected to the removal of the pain the doctor was like you tried to order a gin and tonic 10 minutes after you took it i there was a lot of you know i struggled with it about taking it

and eventually like look there's no way around this you're gonna have to take it because i don't like to take anything right It's dangerous for me. I take an Advil even if I think I'm going to be sore. Advil is fine. I'm cool with Advil. I'm also not a doctor. You know, if a doctor says, no, you've got to take something,

you've got to take it. I mean, there's a weird thing. This happens in LA a lot. People think because they go to yoga, they're a doctor. Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, it's like, you're not a fucking doctor.

No. I know. They do a Google search and they're like, yeah, I found some stuff out. I feel bad for doctors that are like, yeah, I went to school for eight years. Yeah. Somehow it wasn't just Google searches. It's also like, if you look up, do you ever do this? Like if you look up the possible adverse reactions to Advil.

Yeah. You could terrify yourself. That's what the internet is. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's what the internet is. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's the dark web all of a sudden. Do you have,

I think you do have a pretty strong social media presence, don't you? Don't you do all that? Yeah, I do all that shit. Yeah. See, I do too,

but I don't really, like I'm not connected to it. There's like a bunch of people that do it and they pretend they're me and I'm like, yeah, not really. Well, you got to

get rid of those people. No, no, no. I pay them. Oh. Yeah, I pay them. I'm like, no, you got to get rid of those people. No, no, no. I pay them. Oh, yeah. I pay them. I'm like, no, you go ahead. Do they ever post something and you're like,

that's not true. No, they run it by me most of the time. Is that because you don't want to do it or you just... I don't want to connect with it. It's crazy. It's crazy time. You know, people out there,

you know, talking to you, you know, unsolicited, giving your opinions and stuff. I'm like, no, I don't. Oh, I don't read anything. know, unsolicited, giving your opinions and stuff. I'm like, no, I don't. Oh, I don't read anything.

Oh, that's good. I just send it out. That's fine. That's just like taking a shit in the pool and then leave it. That is exactly what I do. I love that. When it started, like, I was like, oh, this person. Well, there was a time when, for whatever reason, William Shatner would tweet at Norm McDonald and I, telling us how unfunny we were.

You and Norm are two of the funniest guys who ever lived. Norm, go dress them. Shatner would tweet at Norm Macdonald and I telling us how unfunny we were. You and Norm are two of the funniest guys who ever lived. Norm, go dress them. But I mean, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. But you're hilarious, man. God bless you. But no, it was like William Shatner was, I was like, oh no, people are going to know that William Shatner, of course, I retweeted it and said, big fan. But I was like, what kind of a of a what the i was like worried about it

for a moment and then i was like oh fuck all this but uh yeah have you squared up with william shatner when i met him yeah at betty white's 90th yeah you you're welcome white's 90th uh i walked up and i go hi mr shatner put my hand out and he looked at it and then just stared at me and i was like what did i ever do to you? Jesus, Bill. I mean, it's funny because I'm quite friendly with William Shatner. Will you tell him hello? You know, he gets an idea in his head though.

I mean, it is fucking crazy. I feel like the penis rocket was a big reset for him when he learned that the abyss of space was pretty depressing. But that was before, after Bay, wasn't it? Yeah, it was after. That was before Bay, well, after Bay, when he was 90. Yeah, it was after. This was like last year

he went up on that thing. Oh, my God. And he was crying when he came back? Yeah, he was like, it's way more, just Captain Kirk went up there

and was like, oh, we're tiny. We're just barely holding onto this rock. I go to that from acid. I don't need to go there. Recently? No, bless you

But now like What is it? The micro dosing is now the big Yeah I'm not a micro dosing sort of a guy I'm a more macro dosing sort of I can't be left alone with a fucking candy bar I'm not going to micro dose

I can't do it Well do you think I mean not that you replaced it Because you were a very healthy person But does stand-up It does, in a way. Yeah, I love that moment on stage. It has a

kind of zen thing about it. I remember reading an interview with Michael Jackson, controversial figure, but talking about his performance and he said he was so comfortable on stage, he feels like he could sleep there now that could of course have been the probe fault but also the i understand it though i get very

comfortable on stage yeah uh you get that way too i love it so much i yes but well yes i do get very yes i go oh this is all the stress and all the anxiety falls away when you were doing the soup because i remember you started the soup maybe a year or something before I started in late night, something like that? In fits and starts in 2004. Right. And I started in late night 2005. So that's right on.

And I remember thinking, like, this guy is the only one that's doing anything like I'm doing. This is, because all the rest, I felt like everyone else is, there's a style of doing late night that exists as a it's almost like a genre and you weren't you weren't doing that and I didn't do it either because I didn't know when I think you when you would grab the camera I was like oh that's good that I should have done that oh well like you'd get up there and I would uh we had about the same budget though though. I think that's what it is. Yeah, well, you could afford a talking skeleton, though.

Eventually, not right away. I was four years in before I got the talking skeleton. Well, you didn't have to shoot around pillars because it was a converted lobby. But then Ryan Seacrest showed up, and all of a sudden, they began pouring millions of dollars into the studio. I'm like, what the fuck?

This whole time. You know, it's funny. When Lily Tomlin was on the late night show, she came in and she went, wow, this place used to be a cupboard. It was the wardrobe room, my studio. I mean, I thought, I remember saying to you, the first time you were on my late night show, I said to you, dude, you should do this. You should do this thing.

And I never saw you, dude, you should do this. You should do this thing. And I never got the sense that you were interested in doing that. I never thought I was going to do the soup. Right. And I always wanted to be an actor. And then I was like, well, maybe I'm better at this than acting. You're a good actor. I've seen you act like community. You're awesome in that show. That was a dream come true. That're a good actor. I've seen you act like community. You're awesome in that show.

That was a dream come true. That's a great show. It's too bad for Donald Glover and the way his career is fizzled. Yeah, I know. But, you know, it's just, you know,

you win some, you lose some. I will say that I was torn. I've never really, but I've thought about it and I'm like, oh, that would have been, but then I, you know,

I have some self-loathing that really can kick in. So you never know which version of me you're going to get. Well, self-loathing, it will work for you in late night. Yeah. You have to be. You have to kind of hate yourself a little bit to just go and do it all the time. Yeah. It's rare. It's odd if you see a comedian go fucking nailed it, did it again. I'm like, you did? Oh shit. Good for you you I can't believe how confident you are

Yeah Some are like that But they're not funny You know It's It's It's an odd Would you do it now

Do you think? I don't I'm way too old Oh Bollocks It doesn't The rules are all changed now Yeah I'll do it

Yeah I realize I realize with the soup How much I You know like You do so many of them That you get changed no yeah i'll do it yeah yeah i'd like uh i do i realize i realize with the soup how much i you know like you you do so many of them that you get like when people send me clips i was like i have no recollection of that but oh that was pretty good oh yeah yeah yeah tons of that yeah and i now and i was like oh the pattern of that was really fun and uh and i was like oh i i i missed that consistency.

I mean, but believe me, with the new, like, I host a baking show and I fucking love it. So that definitely tickles that little muscle, guys. Okay. But yeah, I don't, yeah, I mean, when I see, like, the guys, you know, they're so fucking good. And I just don't know if I have the... I would like to... I mean, you were part of the golden age of when everybody was clicking. I think you too, though. I think the soup was part of that too.

I don't think the soup wasn't. I feel like I got paid less than everybody, though. Yeah, you probably did. But you sorted that out with community. Yeah, it was good times. Yeah, and all the other stuff, like Spy Kids movies and all that kind of stuff. Well, thank you. There's people still like, so Jessica Alba played your wife.

How was that? How did that work? Why would someone like that agree to be with you? That's a whole separate. I mean, why are you saying that? You're extremely handsome and you're in great shape. I'm trying to get you to say these things're extremely handsome and you're in great shape. I'm trying to get you to say these things and it's working.

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I do still read a book from time to time. You will sit and... I can't read. Are you dyslexic? Very. I didn't know that. Way better than I used to be. But it's all...

Like, just on the way here, I am in the middle of a novel. And I'll put it on when I'm doing the dishes. I'll put it on when I'm cooking. I'll do it... So you like audiobooks? Yes. But audiobooks are great greatest thing that's that that's worth the digital technology just for that yeah i will

trade the human trafficking and silk road no drug and arms dealing no no you went too far man i know i know you're joking and shazam i'm still amazed was like, this thing knows my songs. This knows, it's just going to identify this song. It's great. No. And yes, that has changed my life. What's the book you read? The last book I read, read, read? I think, hang on a second.

Dianetics. Yeah. Yeah. I never got around to that. I did get a few overtures from them back in the day. Oh. Yeah. Well. Did youures from them back in the day. Oh, well. Did you ever go to the brunch at the Celebrity Center? No, I politely declined.

It's not my thing. I'm not very good at organized religion. I don't really care for it much. I feel like once dogma's involved of any type, I kind of shy away from it. We all do this now. Oh, fucking do we. Well, you know what?

I grew up during punk rock, and we don't all fucking do this now oh fucking do we yeah well you know what i grew up during punk rock and we don't all fucking do this now but we all are going to spike our hair and wear the same leather jacket but we're different but we're a different cult we're all different except when we go to that concert we all look the same i know it's kind of funny i it's like when people get mad at young because you your kids they're young they'll be in that kind of rebellion thing. Yeah. And I don't want to force you into talking about your kids. Fine. But I do notice with, you know, my own children that they're slightly disappointed that I don't get as outraged as maybe other parents do about their world.

Yeah. Which is a tricky one. I mean, they're very dogmatic, the kids right now. I mean, they have a lot of orthodoxy that needs to be observed. Did your parents get on you about your... Oh, yeah. I used to have to... When I was like 15, punk rock hip,

and I used to go out for the evening to see my buddies. And then there was a bridge near our house. And I would go underneath the bridge and change into punk rock clothes. And you'd stuff your other clothes? I'd put the other clothes under the bridge and then go. And of course, you come back and a hobo's taking it and you have to go home. But there's a hobo wearing a school uniform somewhere. I feel like the punk rock scene in Great Britain, where it started, was such a break.

Oh, my God. It was huge. Of, I don't know if I, I mean, we went from glam rock to grunge. Yeah, that's pretty big. Which was the opposite, which was, you know, glam rock was hair and full makeup down to, then it was just plaid shirts. Which would be right about the exact moment for you because you're in seattle or that area you're in washington state right yeah and grunge i think you must be totally into

that i was i watched alison chains get booed off stage because the next band is the band called the young fresh fellows was the band that everyone wanted to see and i remember uh lane staley going like fuck you this is great music and they're crowd was like, fuck you, get off. And then it all worked out for Alice in Chains. Did you ever get booed off stage? Yes. Yeah, me too. When did you get booed off stage?

It was at the Power 106 lineup in Anaheim at an 8,000-person outdoor stadium. Oh, sweet. And they were not fans. When was this? This is probably 2009 or 2008. Nice. And I don't know what you're like when you start getting booed.

I have to fight. Yeah, a little bit. So I turned the clock around and I was like, I'm staying up here for this long. Which was not a great move either. Perfect. And there was agents trying to poach me there and they all ran away.

They didn't poach you after that? They were like, oh, that's not what we expected. And so it was, yeah. What about you? My first stand-up was Scottish Week during Punk Rock at the ICA in London. And basically it was a bunch of Scottish Punk Rock bands and a bunch of Cockney punks. And they said to me,

you should go, you're funny, you go up during when we're changing the bench around and do comedy so I I did and I thought it would be funny to wear a kilt and I did but I was so nervous that my knees were physically shaking and the cockneys noticed it and he started shouting his knees are knocking his his knees are knocking. And it became a chant. And the entire crowd, his knees are knocking, his knees are knocking. Well, you had the crowd. Well, they had me, I think. And there's equipment being changed behind you. Oh, yeah.

So it's the most distracting. It was garbage. But here's the thing. And this is the same with you. I went back. See, normal people that are not like us would have an experience like that and go, I don't need to do that again. Yeah. And you went back.

Why? Well, I don't know why. I mean, I always have to, I have to, like, I'm extremely competitive. But that's competitive with the universe at that point. Yeah, I think I was ready to take them on i said pretty insulting things i kept going i kept and to the point where this show organizer said you need to get out of here yeah because i i i think at one point i was like raise your hand if you don't have a neck tattoo and yeah and then i was like watch the soup on e thanks and they yeah and did your ratings go up after that the next day one of the people that

was working for us said i have uh we got like 3,000 emails. Like it was, they were people like pissed and then people pissed at the pissed people. Yeah. And, but it was, you know, it was another one of those moments where I'm like, maybe I am terrible at this. What's interesting about that, that was like, no, that would be like a viral thing.

Everyone would share in your shame. There there was nothing there was no footage yeah i mean thank god yeah that's what i think too i mean i feel for young performers now like you fuck up everyone's gonna know forever i did a show once in dunfermline in scotland carnegie hall i've played both carnegie halls the one in dunfermline in Scotland and the one in New York. The one in New York is a lot easier. The one in Dunfermline, I went on stage, I was really, this is before I stopped drinking, and I said, words to the effect of, probably a little more aggressively, where I come from, we talk, in Glasgow, we talk about you people as sheep shaggers, which I always thought was bad until I came here and saw what your women looked like. And fuck, man,

they went crazy. They didn't like it. They were mad. And they were right to be mad. Well, that was the opener? Yeah. Yeah,

it was ill-advised. You probably should have bagged on the women in your clan after that. I probably shouldn't have mentioned women at all, but these were different times. And then as they were screaming,

we were like, this is what I'm talking about. See, this is why nobody plays here. I didn't know Carnegie opened a place in Scotland. Well, he was Scottish. He was from Scotland, yeah. They changed, his father was a weaver.

And then the weaving business changed. And so they moved to America and he started U.S. Steel. I don't know how it worked out, but I think he made a little money. He made a little money and he broke a lot of unions. But then he felt really guilty. He started building shit for everybody. I was like, you treated these, they can't even get to the library that you built because they're working for 14 hours.

It's definitely the Jungian duality yet again. And here we come full circle. You know what? It's a show about Jungian duality yet again. And here we come full circle. You know what? It's a show about Jungian duality. Maybe we should call it that rather than joy. When did Carl Jung die? 1961. Wow.

How did you know that? I'm a huge Jungian. Oh. I'm very interested in Carl Jung. You record your dreams? I used to, but I found that I was manipulating them and I stopped doing it. Have you ever done that? Created a dream journal?

No. I can't hardly write down my name on a form. You could audio it. You could like, you know. But the truth is, I stopped doing it because I found that I could control them. Oh. Which felt weirdly counterproductive. I didn't like it.

Because you're like, tonight I'm going to have this crazy dream where... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like... Mary Poppins would land on my new sports car. Wait, you read my dream journal? Well, I can go in and out of people's dreams while they're asleep. Now that would be cool.

I don't know if you saw Dreamscape. Was that in Dreamscape? Yeah. Isn't that Freddy Krueger? Doesn't he do that? He does. But Dreamscape was the first. Yeah, that's, what's his name?

Quaid. Dennis Quaid? Randy Quaid. Dennis, not Randy. Boy, because Randy Quaid. What's going on with Randy? You know, I feel like everybody I know called Randy is a little bit crazy. I mean, do you know any Randys that aren't a little off the beaten track?

I don't. And Randy, of course, we didn't. You have a different meaning in Britain. Well, Randy in Britain means very, very horny. Yeah. I felt bad for the everybody named Randy. There's not that many people named Randy in Britain. There's a lot of guys named Horny.

Old Horny McPherson's coming over. I went to the Horny Chateau. I think he was a... No, so yeah, you're right. So we don't hear from him anymore, Randy Quaid. No, no, I never heard from him. You never get in touch with me. He was very good in that Midnight Express.

And he played LBJ. He was great. What about Independence Day? Wasn't he in Independence Day? Yes, he played. He was like drunk but flying a plane. Yeah, I think he thought... That's a terribly bad idea, by the way.

You should never do that. I wasn't ever going to do that. Well, I don't know. You had to look about you like you were thinking, you know what? Well, you're in the air. had to look about you like you were thinking, you know what, maybe I'll get liquor though. Well, you're in the air. It's not like you can do, and nothing can go wrong. Well, that's true. Now, as you mentioned it, it's probably- When was the last time you got behind the yoke of a plane?

Oh, last summer, I think. All right. Yeah, I like to fly. I do do that. And you didn't like to fly. I do do that. And you didn't like to fly. I didn't like to fly, and then I learned to fly. Because I was ashamed by Kurt Russell, of all people. He was on the show, and I was talking about I didn't like flying. And he was like, it's bullshit. You're just a control freak.

I was like, oh, really? He went, yeah. And then he got me in touch with a flight instructor, and I learned to fly. But then I went flying with Kurt Russell. When I only had about eight hours of flying experience. Wow. And you can't cry in front of Snake Plissken. It's not cool.

And did you think like, boy, if this goes down, whose name is going to be listed first? Oh, man, I wouldn't even be mentioned. It'd be like Kurt Russell and friend. And Scottish. But maybe friend would be nice. Yeah. Passenger. Yeah, I guess he would be.

I flew on a plane from a Comic-Con with the cast of Star Trek, The Next Generation. Oh, my God. And I'm like, LeVar Burton's right there. And I'm like, LeVar's name would be first because Patrick Stewart's not on board. And I was like, how is this going to go? I don't think thoughts like that are helpful. I don't think they're not helpful.

Well, that's fair enough, as long as it entertains you. Where were you flying from? You're flying from San Diego to where? Oh, no, we were in, boy, North Carolina. For a Comic-Con, they have them there, too? They have them everywhere, all over the planet. Do you do them for community? Is that a Comic-Con thing?

I've only done two. Right. And they're like, oh, you can make this. And I was like, all I do is talk all day anyway. So it's talking to people and using a lot of hand sanitizer. You're talking to me about this fucking podcast right now. See? Why are you doing a podcast?

I'm like, oh, no reason. No reason at all. You don't like money. Actually, it's not a hard thing. It's not a chore to talk to people. I mean, the rule is, for me, you just talk to people you like and then you're cool. Do you talk to

people you don't know and have to do a bunch of research? No. I mean, even if I don't know someone, I don't do research anyway because the way I figure it and this is what I always thought about in Late Night 2 I'll just ask because we're going to talk about it anyway

so when people say did you see Steve Carell's movie I'm like no I'll ask him about it he said well you should see it before he gets here well then I'll already know and it'll be fake I'll just ask him what the movie's about and I'll genuinely be asking him what it's about.

He's not an idiot. He'll be able to tell me. Yeah, and you shouldn't expect everybody to read the book and watch all that. Yeah, that's crazy. I remember Salman Rushdie was on the late night show. He was on the late night show a lot. And I was like, I haven't read the book, man. I read Satanic Verses.

He went, did you like it? I went, yeah, it's amazing. And he went, okay, so this other one's pretty good. And then he just talked about it. He didn't expect me to read his,

well, maybe he did. He was just being polite. I remember when Larry King said to Jim Carrey when he was promoting The Majestic, he goes,

Jim, I've watched half of this movie. And I was like, what an interview. And Jim Carrey was like, half, Larry? And he's like,

I didn't, I fell asleep and I will, I'm going to watch the rest later. And he was like, half, Larry? And he's like, I didn't, I fell asleep and I will watch the rest later. And he was like, oh, thanks. But I was like, I think half is worse. That is worse. Than none. I think that is, did you ever do, when you had guests on The Soup, would you like study them a little bit?

I would, well, we would look into, like sometimes we would get pop stars from. Really big stars from South America. And I'd be like, don't know anything about that. And then, like, he dated Jennifer Aniston for 10 minutes. I was like, all right, well, great. So then we would have them on. Like, before Slumdog Millionaire became a thing, because we could always get people on the way up or on the way down.

That's whoever I got as well. Occasionally you get people who the way up. Like on, yes. Yeah, yeah. On the way up or on the way down. That's whoever I go as well. Occasionally get people who are in the zone. Yeah, once in a while. Yeah. Like, no, we would put offers out to anybody. They're like, what did Elton John say? They're like, we have not heard back. Yeah.

But I will say, when Taylor Swift, she was only booking, you know, Staples Center at this point. We reached out like, maybe she'll come on. And then her people actually got back and they reached out like maybe she'll come on and then her people actually got back and they're like she can't come on but if you guys want

tickets to the show and I was like oh great now she's aces in my book for the rest because she was one of the only huge stars that ever got back to us

I think she's pretty good news Taylor Swift yeah like she's like she's the real deal she's like Dolly Parton she can write and she can do it all

and she's super talented and yeah I'm kind of impressed yeah she's the real deal she's like dolly parton she can write and she can do it all and she's super talented and yeah i'm kind of impressed yeah she's and everyone i know that has gone to her show yeah people my age and this one i was like she's the beatles and i was maybe oh maybe okay they're like she is she's started a movement and then people will complain they're like i've seen her four times like They're like, it's, and people like, well,

it's just the same show over and over. And I'm like, well, that's what everybody does. That's what you, that's what you two is doing right now. It's not like, it's not like they're,

they can't change the, you know, the movie they're showing in the background. You know, it's funny that people will say, I'm sure they say that as you, how did you come up with your comedy? And nobody wants the real answer,

which is, I sit alone in a room for a long time with a fucking computer and I work. Yeah. And I think and I think and I think and I write it down. Or in your case, say it.

I sit on a plane. You know, Leonard's dyslexic as well. I mean, he doesn't write it down. Well, that guy, he also,

how many days a week is he on stage? Oh, he, well, he never misses the Comedy Magic Club, which is Sunday nights. Every Sunday night. The only thing that he made him miss it was burning his face off and breaking his legs. I don't know if he missed it.

I think they got him to wheel him in on the gurney. He'd be like, what's the deal with my face? Do you ever do an impression of Leno to him? Yeah, I think I have done. But on his show, I don't think I would do it in polite conversation. But I've done it. People do it to me all the time. Oh, Greg, I should act funny donkey.

I'm like, okay, man, thanks. I was on that car show showing off my 1990 Toyota Land Cruiser made by Corsetti Cruisers. Oh, that was a plug. And we were sitting there while the camera's on. Jay's talking, we're talking. And then the camera goes off and we're just kind of quiet.

And I was like, Jay, what'd you have for breakfast? And he was like, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I was like, and coffee? And he's like, I'll have your coffee. No, he doesn't drink hot liquids. What? Why? I know, it's a real thing for him. He's like, no hot liquids. I'm like, hey, I'll drink coffee. No, he doesn't drink hot liquids. Why?

No, it's a real thing for him. He's like, no hot liquids. I'm like, what about soup? He's like, no, soup is a... What about gazpacho? That was my question. He doesn't have that either. He's got real weird about liquid.

He'll drink sodas. Like sugar sodas? Yeah, sugar sodas and water. Well, for breakfast, he had a glass of full-fat milk. And a peanut butter. Full-fat milk is kind of just like cow soup, basically. Yeah, it's a milkshake. And then I was like, what are you going to do for lunch?

He's like, eh, in-and-out burger. And I was like, what did you do yesterday for lunch? He's like, in-and-out. And I'm like, okay, well. He knows like you know and i'm like okay well he knows what he likes man he knows what he likes yeah well listen uh you're a joy as always it's so good to see you oh man it's so good to see you too you've known each other now for a long time yeah you know 20 fucking years you were always and continue to be so fucking kind. Oh, and considerate. And you are, well, you know, all those nice Hollywood showbiz things, but real, back to you.

Whereas you saying them to me obviously wasn't real because you still live in Los Angeles. But I don't live in Los Angeles anymore. So now if I... Do you remember when we went to, I think it was Madeo, the Italian restaurant? Oh, yeah, of course. We were hearing, like we thought was an old lady yelling at Woody Harrelson. Yeah. And it turned out to be, what's his name, the nutty professor. Jerry Lewis.

Yes, it was Jerry Lewis. Yeah, that's right. Because he was holding court. That's right. Yeah, that was going way back. God. That's right. And then, God, I remember that night.

That was weird. Yeah, that was. You and Sarah were one of the few people that Megan and I would actually go out for dinner with in Hollywood. Because I don't know about you, but it can get a little crazy in this town. It can get a little crazy. Yeah.

But then I look at my friends back in Seattle and I'm like, you all seem half nuts too. Oh yeah, everybody's fucking crazy. You introduced me to Bob Saget. I did. And I fell in love with that man. I loved Bob. Bob came over to visit us in Scotland. And we had this big, we were having a big dinner in this old house

that I may or may not own in Scotland. And there was like a lot of people there. And Bob had to go to the bathroom just before we had dinner. So it was like 50 people in this dining room. And Bob went out. I said, all right, look, Bob's in the bathroom. When he comes back, we'll say grace. And then we'll all lift our left leg and smack our heel with our right hand.

And then everyone's like, okay. So Bob came back in and said, oh, Bob, you're just in time for grace. And we all said grace. Then we all lifted our left leg and smacked our heel. And Bob did the same and didn't mention about it. He's like, total professional. Like, okay. That's what you do here. That's what we do here. He fit right in.

He was a sweetheart, Bob. He was. He was the only, as I've said, like, he would end his texts with, like, I love you. Yeah, that's right. I was like, eat my balls, but I love you. And I'd be like, like well you would only do that if you love someone

you know what you're right you gotta have some sort of affection you can't do angry ball eating there's no joy in that what a weird way

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