Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Kathie Lee Gifford (Part 2)

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

On this week’s episode, Craig talks to his friend of many years - Kathie Lee Gifford - an American legend who needs no introduction. Kathie highlights her views on Jesus, faith, and shares several Regis Philbin stories. This is part 2 of a two-part interview. enJOY!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So, that's all right. Look, people know that you sometimes have a beverage that has ice in it and a little straw, which I think is not the most European way of drinking wine I've ever seen. But I think that you're not European. It's okay. I am. I was born in Franceance that's right i was born in paris france you're french you're a french messianic jew yes i think you're it i think i'm

maybe the only one wow yes and so when i now have been up since i literally got up this morning at 12 45 and i said even for me that's early that. That is early. You've been up all night. One o'clock in the afternoon here. And so I'm having a little glass of white wine. I'm not judging you, Kat. I know. You never have. No, no, no, no.

So people know, with a little bit of ice in it, I usually have club soda with it too. Yeah. You know, so that I can. A spritzer. A spritzer. A spritzer. It's fine.

Yes, it's just fine. Listen, when we talked before. Yes. We talked a lot about religion. And I before, we talked a lot about religion. And I know you can talk a lot about that. And to be honest, I love you, but you can talk a lot about pretty much anything. So we talked a lot about religion. I want to talk to you a little bit about when I first met you and where you were.

I remember the first meeting I ever had with you. And I don't know if you remember that. Was it the Drew Carey show? It was the Drew Carey show. And I was eighth banana on that show. My first child had just been born. Yeah. So that was 22 years ago.

22 years ago. And you... I was just doing a guest starring thing. You were guest starring. It was right. You were still doing... No. Was it Regis?

Yeah. It was still Regis. It was mid-90s. No, it was a late... I left Regis in 2000. Right, so he hadn't just been born. He was about to be born. Okay. Because it was mid-90s, or late 90s, or 2000 even. He was born in 2000.

Okay, that's the year I did leave Regis. All right. Not personally. He remained my dear, dear, dear friend for 30 more years. I loved Regis. Oh, yeah, I just left the show. Right. Yeah, but you were so kind to me. You were big, big, this big star coming in yeah, I just left the show. Right. Yeah. But you were so kind to me. You were big, big, this big star coming in to do a spot on the show. And I was eighth banana on the show, and you gave me some kids' books for Milo.

Oh, for you who was not born yet. Yeah. So you get them early. You're like Coca-Cola. You get in early. But Coca-Cola's not necessarily good for you. What I got, what I've got's good for you. You said that before.

And I just, I remember thinking at the time, wow, that is a class act. That is a class act. And I haven't changed my opinion one iota since then about that. And we've been in bed together. Nothing happened for entertainment purposes. That's right. It's available on happened for entertainment purposes. That's right. It's available on Netflix. On Netflix, everybody.

Then came you. Then came you, everybody. I don't know why I'm plugging it. I don't get residuals. You get them. No, I don't. I haven't seen a penny. All right.

Okay. So here's the thing, though. But you were at that time with Regis. Yes. Professionally. And you were with Frank matrimonially. Yes. At the time.

Yes. And I want to talk to you a little bit about the men because... Regis. Regis and Frank. Okay, good. But let's talk a little because you are, and I mean this in a very complimentary and in no way judgmental or anything, but you are a very heterosexual woman. Oh, yes.

And you're a vibrant, funny, sexy woman. Now you tell me. Well, it's the truth. Thank you. So I think to myself, well, professionally you're working with Regis, and you're with this god of an athlete, Frank Gifford, as well. How did you meet Frank? I met Frank early, early, early in 1982 when i just signed for a year long that was

it a stint on the good morning america and they were grooming me to take over for joan london but i would certainly not a journalist but they said we're not interested in a journalist we want somebody that then it was under the auspices of abc entertainment not news so they weren't necessarily looking for a journalist. They were looking for somebody that would be comfortable on camera and could talk to a rock and make the rock laugh in some instances. And I don't know that you can learn that. That's something that's sort of innate. Where do you think that comes from?

I'm sorry to sidetrack you. No, every good and perfect gift, Scripture says, comes from above, from the Father of the heavenly realms, who does not change like shifting shadows. Right. So, we're talking about God again. Right. Yes. Everything goes back to him. So, where did it come from?

I went to Oral Roberts University to be a drama, what is it? I don't, it's been so many years. Major, drama major? It was a drama major with a music minor, and it was just, it was a waste of time. Of all my life. That's a Christian university, though, isn't it? Yes, but I was the only Jew there

and the only one who didn't speak in tongues. So it was problematic for me. Yeah. Yeah. And back then. You stand out a little bit. Back then, yeah. I was the only one with a maiden name of Epstein.

Let's put it that way. And it was a, what they call a charismatic Pentecostal university. Was there snakes? No, it wasn't that kind. It wasn't that extreme. But it was gifts of the Holy Spirit, which I do believe in. It's just not one that I have.

I've prayed for the gifts of the Spirit to speak in tongues. And God said, the tongue I've given you is enough. You used to do that. Whatever one you got, it's doing fine. I don't know. I don't think the world can take many more languages that I speak.

Anyway, I learned to sort of just accept things like that along the way. I didn't want to feel less than because I didn't have that gift. God said, concentrate on the ones I've given you. You know, so many people in our world are miserable because, well, why didn't I have what they have? How come you didn't give me that, Lord? How come my thighs don't look like that? Whatever it is, Paul in Philippians,

all of his books in the New Testament, talks so much about the fact that we, the whole idea of walking with Jesus is learning to be content in the moment. I totally agree with that. Gratitude is a silver bullet. Gratitude is the way out every time. And humility.

If you can find some, that gratitude is the way to do it. Exactly. Instead of bitching and moaning about what you don't have and missing out on all the blessing that's sitting right there. I sidetracked you. You were going to talk to me about how you met Frank. Yes. Thank you.

So anyway, back then I was doing commercials too, like they used to do on the Today Show with David Garrison. Was that his name? Early, early days where they'd stop the show and then they'd do a dog commercial. Really? I don't remember that. Yeah, the early days of the Today Show were like that. So they were still doing that. So I had to do a Basset Hound, a commercial with a Basset Hound at four in the morning. Right. And it was for Alpo. So I came in, got my hair and makeup. Yes, it's a very glamorous business. You're a tireless person. It was four o'clock, and I already had full hair and makeup.

And I'm ready to shoot with a smelly basset hound and do an Alpo commercial. So I'm walking down a long, very lonely stairwell. Not a stairwell, but a hall, because nobody's there, hardly. And I look over to the left of me, down a long, very lonely stairwell, not a stairwell, but a hall because nobody's there hardly. Right. And I look over to the left of me and there's the greatest set of buns I have ever seen in my life, leaning over a sink, obviously putting in contact lenses. I have no idea who the buns belong to, but they got my attention. So you're saying to me that it was Frank Gifford's ass was the first thing that you

went, this is very interesting to me. It was beautiful. I am a beauty lover. You know, I mean, I can appreciate. Can I tell you, the last day of his life, the man's had the same ass. It's unbelievable. Wow. That's why he was one of the great tight ends of all time.

Okay. So Frank's leaning over, putting his contact lenses in with his great ass. And what happens? You're like, hey, sailor, got a cigarette for a girl? What was going on? No, I just immediately said what comes to my mind, usually, without any filter at all. And I said, have I got an operation for you? Because I had just had an operation called radial keratotomy, which was a precursor to LASIK.

Oh, yeah. That's when they cut the surface of your cornea with a razor blade. Yeah, I got that done. Yes. Before it was LASIK? No, I think it was LASIK. Only a thousand people in all of America had it done at that time. Right.

But I knew six of them, and they had perfect eyesight, and I went, I'm doing that. So I just had that operation. And I went from 2,400 in each eye. I was legally blind. So I got it, and I went to 2, 400 in each eye. I was legally blind. So I got it and I went to 20, 20 in both eyes. Wow. And so I said, have I got an operation for you? And from the face that's in the sink, I hear, yeah, with a fool on either end.

An operation with a fool on either end. And I went, well, well, well, aren't we? If I see this early in the morning. Yeah. I didn't recognize the voice at first. And he had such an iconic voice as well. From the wide, wide world of sports. Yes.

And from, well, wide, wide world of sports at that time. And Monday Night Football. It was very, very big. Still pretty big, I think. Still pretty big. He was on it for 28 years. Yeah. He had two unbelievable careers in football and then in broadcasting.

He blazed a trail for everything. He's got an amazing book called The Glory Game. And he wrote quite a few books about his start when he used to eat dog food. And his father was an itinerant oil. And how grateful he was for everything. And football basically was— Were you a fan of football at the time? My family was.

I had a father and a brother who were big Baltimore Colts fans because I grew up in Annapolis, Maryland, and we hated the Giants. They did. I didn't hate them. But they were our— And that game, that glory game, the 1958, I think, championship game was between the Baltimore Colts and the New York Giants. Right.

So I was aware of football, of course, but I've never been a maniac about it. Right. And I like sports, but I don't live for them. All right. So you know who Frank is, but you— Everybody in the whole world knew who Frank Gifford was. And I'd heard scuttlebutt around the studio that he was, you know, in a very unhappy marriage. And everybody adored him, but she was, you know, not a very nice lady.

And why in the world did he marry her kind of thing. And it was his second wife who's already had children and he's 23 years older than me. So later I started working as host whenever Joan Lunden wasn't there and he would be there whenever David Hartman wasn't there. So we started to work actually together a little bit. On the days when nobody else wanted wasn't there, and he would be there whenever David Hartman wasn't there. Right. So we started to work actually together a little bit. On the days when nobody else wanted to be there, nobody was watching at home, so we were the B team. And we just became friends.

And you were friends first? Oh, for four years. Really? Four years we were friends. His marriage eventually was on the rocks, and he was in the process of divorce to his second wife. And he was like my champion. He would call the producers and say, I'm watching the show. Why is Kathy's seat down so low? Change it. I know Joan was taller than I

was. And so her seat was set at a certain, and I'd sit down next to david hartman i'd look like a muppet you know and so he cared about things like that right it matters it's it sounds petty but actually matters in that world oh it does it's it's it's um perception what is that little person and it takes your your your mind off what you should you should be listening to what somebody's saying you know and so we just started having lunch together, started having dinner together. Every time there was something that happened in his life that was really traumatic, he would call me and he'd say, Kath, can I take you to lunch? Will you go to dinner with me? My brother's dying of whatever, or this just happened, or I just saved a guy's life on a private plane and it was going down and the pilot had had a heart attack. Wait, what?

Yes. Tell me this. What happened here? Well, back then, he was at private planes all the time. He was working for Nabisco and NBC. Right. ABC. And so they flew privately lots of places to games and things like that.

Right. One day, he was on the Nabisco plane, I believe it was, and it was just a small jet with maybe six people and had a pilot and a co-pilot. And all of a sudden, they were going along. And all of a sudden, co-pilot comes back. They felt a jerk. Co-pilot goes, Frank, Frank, hurry. Come up from the front. Help me out.

Help me out. Frank just got out of his seat. It's like, coach, put me in. He goes up there. And the very, very overweight captain had had a massive heart attack. No. And his girth was on all the- So he's leaning on the yoke.

He's leaning on everything. Oh, no. Leaning on everything. And so Frank frantically tries to get the man back off the controls and save his life if he can. Right. Back then, we thought that that could help if you do the mouth-to-mouth. The oxygen? Oh, right. No, it's really just the compression. Apparently, they don't do that anymore. I don't know why.

That's if you're choking. Right. But I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Don't believe anything I say. I'm not expecting you to be a doctor. Not you, the people. I'm talking to the listeners. I know you don't believe anything I say. No, I believe a lot of things you say. But I don't take medical advice from you. It's okay. You drink wine with ice cubes in a straw. It's not.

There are some things. Why would anybody believe you? So that straw, by the way, so I don't leave lip marks like I did before on the beautiful glass. I've told you before, you do not need to get defensive about it. I think it's totally fine. So listen. So what happened is the man. And his mouth was bloodied from trying to save this man's life.

That's the man that comes home traumatized and calls me and goes, Kathy, can we. But I need to know, how did the pilot do? He died. He died? He died. And so the co-pilot lands a plane with this dead guy next to him? Yep. Man, that's.

And two days later, Frank speaks at his funeral. And he called you when he landed? Yeah. Yeah, so I guess that's, there's your answer. I was his best friend. Yeah.

His best female friend. He had a lot of good, you know, good, good milk. I can imagine Frank Gifford had good male buddies. Oh, he had great, good male buddies. But he had,

everybody loved Frank. Frank didn't love everybody else. He could not tolerate assholes. Pardon my French, but that was his word for it. He knew that his days were coming to an end

at a certain point. And he goes, Kath, I don't want a funeral. I don't want to be in a box. I want to be cremated. I said, well, you're still in a box. He goes, I don't know. I just don't like him.

I'm rotting in a box. And I said, me either. I want to be cremated too because I'm not going to be there. I'm not going to feel it. I want to be in a box. Me either. I want to be cremated too because I'm not going to be there. I'm not going to feel it. I want to be put in a Viking longship, sent out to sea, and then sent on fire. That's a lot sexier than just... So you do eventually want to be cremated.

Yeah, but in a Viking longship with arrows fired by my sons. Oh, is that what they used to do? Yeah. So my sons are on the shore and they've got flaming arrows and I get pushed out to the sea and then they fire. I'm on this thing,

on the Viking longship, and the flaming arrows hit the boat and then I burn up and go into the ether and the boat goes into the... Not probably good for the environment, but it's sexy as hell. Bye-bye.

You know, sometimes you just got gotta Carbon footprint your way out of here Can I give your eulogy? Yeah He was the greatest of us I would talk about the time my thud dropped Oh don't say that word That is such a naughty word in Scotland Not to mean We're not in Scotland Is this going to play in Scotland Oh, don't say that word. That is such a naughty word in Scotland. Not to me.

We're not in Scotland. Is this going to play in Scotland? I don't know. I don't think they love me very much over there. Oh, then they're foolish. Oh, God bless you. I'll go over and I'll tell them what to say and what to think. This is an official invitation to the Fancy Rascals Stand-Up Show.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're talking about you and Frank. So you and Frank are friends for four years. When do you realize you've fallen in love with him? You know what? It was around June. It was before the US Open. It was maybe end of

May. And I had broken up with this guy I'd been going with for a couple of years. Frank couldn't stand him because Frank said, Kathy, that guy's not in love with you. He's in love with himself. couple of years. Frank couldn't stand him because Frank said, Kathy, that guy's not in love with you. He's in love with himself. He's working the room. He's not in love with you. And he says, please tell me you're not going to marry this guy.

And I go, well, I might. You know, I mean, come on. I don't tell you who to marry. And by then his divorce was like almost final. I love that. This is all the makings of like Nora Ephron comedy in New York. I mean, it was amazing. The life we had together was, because our worlds collided and yet meshed perfectly.

He was sports. He was politics. His daughter was married to a Kennedy. He knew all of them. He knew the Sam Giancana. He knew everybody. Okay. That's not really politics, Kathy.

No, I'm saying the other worlds. It was a mafia. It was politics. It was politics. It was everybody. I was going to say that because that's scary. No, his daughter was married to Bobby and Ethel's son, Michael. Right. Who died tragically in that Aspen ski accident.

So, I mean. Kennedys, man. That's a whole other discussion for. Is there more wine? Yeah. Just kidding. Need more wine. We're going to talk about the Kennedys.

We're going to need a couple of bottles. Anyway. So, we're talking to talk about the Kennedys, we're going to need a couple of bottles. Anyway. So, we're talking about the joy of your marriage to Frank, because that's really what I'm going to zero in on, because I know- You wanted to know when I knew. Yeah, I do. It doesn't matter. What happened is that-

It matters to me. I broke up with this guy, and he says, you know what, I'm sick of this. This was his 11th time or 9th time or something. He said, you're going to hang out with me until you're over this guy, Kathy, because you keep going back to him. And it's bad news. And it's just a bad habit. I'm going to help you break a bad habit. It sounds to me like Frank knew that at that point.

Well, Frank had been in love with me, he told me, for a long time. Yeah. But because literally we're 23 years apart. Right. The same birthday. Yeah, that's right. August 16th, right? Yes.

Because it's my wife's birthday, too. That's exactly right. Madonna. Yep. And Hitler, too. Is it Hitler? No. Okay, I just threw that in.

Mengele. Yeah, okay. So. So anyway, he did. He started taking, we were just, we were already friends. Every time there was a party or there was something that we were invited to in the company, he'd take me. One day they were having a big, big party for the guy out in Los Angeles. I forget his last name.

Big, big, big billionaire. And it was a party we were all invited to. And we were on the phone. And I said, are we going to go? Are you going to take me? He goes, no, I'm going to be out. I've got to be in Florida. I've got to be in Santa Fe.

Well, that's where he was seeing two different women at the time. Okay. Yeah. Not that he was, you know, that was his world. Don Meredith lived in Santa Fe. And he was going out to see him. And it doesn't matter. The point is, I said, okay, well, then I'm just going to go with somebody tall, dark, and handsome then.

Okay, call me when you get home. You know? About 15 minutes later, the phone rings. He goes, I'm going to take you to the party. And I said, oh, great. Because there was literally, I'd never let myself, my mind go there. Because, first of all, I didn't know that he loved me. He was always such a gentleman.

It was never, oh, that's not true. One time after he called me because something horrendous had happened to his life, we went to a place called Santa Fe in New York. It was near where we lived. It's a Mexican restaurant. We had a lot of margaritas and chips. He just was telling me everything. And he walks me back to my brownstone. Now I remember.

And at my door, like a gentleman, he gives me a kiss. Well, I swooned. Okay. It was that great of a kiss. And I later threw up. So I don't really know what it was. It's just margaritas. You're kissing the love of your life.

He wasn't the love of my life. But it was a year later that we started to see each other. That was just one of those things that happened and we laughed about it. Oh, really? So you made out kind of a little bit. No, one kiss.

No making out. No making out. It was a good night friendly smooch that went away. A rogue kiss. Listen, Kathy, I love you, but I don't think this will stand up in court. I think you made out with them. No, I swear. Are you sure?

I made up for this. Trust me. Right. But no, it was one kiss. One kiss at the door. And I literally, it took my breath away. And I got in my door. And maybe an hour or so later, I did, because I didn't eat.

I just was drinking margaritas. Right. And I've only thrown up three times in my life that I can remember. That was one of them. Right. That's why I remember this now. I feel like I have to ask what the other two were. I don't know why.

Do you want to talk about it? I can't even remember the other two. Right. Okay. But I'm not one of those people that has a bad stomach. Right. And I don't get migraines or stuff like that. I just don't.

Anywho, it's not me. Thank you, Jesus. Anyway, stop it. You're throwing me off. Sorry. I'm so frightened. That night at the party. Right.

He shows up at my scene, alleged brownstone, aforementioned brownstone. Right, aforementioned brownstone. And he gives me this box. And I go, what's that? And I open it up, and it's this watch. Oh, wow. That's fancy. It's a Rolex for people who can't see.

Yeah, it is. And as you can see, it's a very unique one because it has a brown face. Right. You know, usually they're not that color. Right. And I looked at him. I don't know much about your fancy watches. No, me either.

Right. And I said, why? Why are you giving me this? I think it was $7,000 at the time. And the man who's been my friend for four years and there's nothing between us except we're going to a party. I said, why? And he goes, because it's the color of your eyes. Wow.

Okay. So that's it then from there on you know what that night I was just I couldn't wear it because it was so big on me I've got the

I've got the scrawniest little you know I gotta be honest take a look at mine I have the you have smalls I have girlish wrists too it's the curse of the Ferguson man that's why we were never

prize fighters I heard it was further south no no no you're getting it all wrong it's made up for further south that's why we were never prize fighters I heard it was further south No, no, no, you're getting it all wrong It's made up for further south That's why all the gristle and blood is out of the veins Around the wrist and it goes elsewhere

This is very rude And it's not at all what I was looking for It was what I was hoping for So that night we slow danced at this party. And it was like a real slow dance. Right. And I'd never been that so close to him, like really in his arms and looking into his eyes. But still it wasn't, I wasn't in love.

I was just thinking, what is this? What's going on? And he still kept coming, taking me out. So I wouldn't go back to the other guy and all of that. And then one night, I just bought a little place in the Hamptons. And he used to come out every weekend to visit his attorney, had a home out there. And he'd just stay there and just go to all the parties. It was during the US Open. I remember that. And he said, he dropped me off. He used to drive up to the studio, West 67th Street, ABC, where I'd finish the show with Regis, and he'd have this Burgundy Jaguar.

And he'd be waiting for me. I'd get in the Burgundy Jaguar, and he'd drive me to the Hamptons. We'd have lunch at my little house in the woods, and he'd go to the attorney's house. And then whatever parties, whatever was going on, he would come and pick me up, and we'd go. And it was just lovely because I wasn't going to go all these places, and he knows everybody. You can imagine the whole golf world. It's Frank, Frank, Frank. I mean, it's hard for anybody to understand what he was.

He would be Brad Pitt today, or he would be Kevin Costner today, or Tom Brady. Okay. Because of the, yeah. Right, right, right. So you were Giselle then. Hardly. No, but I was starting to become very, by that time I was pretty, no, I was just started with Regis in 95. Yeah.

No, 85. Yeah, I was going to say, you've been doing it for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, long story, I was going to say. You've been doing it for a while. 85. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, long story short. Just 10 years off. Wow. I get like that.

I get like that. I can remember everything with my children, what year it was. But with my own life, I just have to go, now where was I? Who was I with? Oh, yes. So that night, there's a big party in Southampton. And he picks me up, as usual. And we get to the door, and it's full of people. And he goes, listen, there's a few people I need to say hello to, and I'll be right back.

I said, okay. We're not dating. We're not going, you know. And five minutes later, he's back. And he stands there, and he goes, okay, now I've done my duty, and now I've come home. Oh. And I went, what? So a little bit later, they had something that was a precursor.

This is how long ago this was. A precursor to karaoke. It was something called the Music Box. Okay. So a guy comes around with an orchestra? No, it's a little machine that is like a cassette player. And it'll play a song for you, and you get to sing to the song. It's an

orchestration i can begin to see where you fit in here this is a funny this i have actually in my safe at home in connecticut still the moment i knew and it was yes and because it would record you singing the song together so you would have it for infamy right right yeah so we sang a couple of songs and the song that we kept doing over and over and over again was, you don't bring me flowers, you don't sing me love songs. And I've been a singer all my life, so I sang it better than even that. But Frank, I'd never met anybody in my life who could sing in tune, but not in rhythm. So I'd sing,

You don't bring me fun, you don't bring me love songs. He'd go, You already talked to me in the morning, you're coming to the door at the end of the day. And I went, I thought it was a joke. I said, What? What is that? He goes, That's... I said, Can we try this again? And I go,

You don't bring me fun, you don't bring me love songs. You already talked to me in the morning, you're coming to the door at the end of the day. If you could hear this,? And I go, you don't bring me. You're hard to talk to me anymore. You come to the door at the end of the day. If you could hear this, Craig, I will play it for you one time when you come to my house in Connecticut. I fell off the sofa laughing my ass off. That's the best he could do. He really could not do it. He can't do everything.

I remember laughing so hard and falling off and laughing and looking up at him. And he's pulling me up. And I remember thinking, I never want to have one day in my life when that man's not in it with me. That's great. And that was it. We were together from that moment on. Until I found him, you know, with the smile on his face like we talked about the first time we were talking on your podcast. You know, I found him going to a better place and you and you you believe that oh i don't believe it i

know it that's great yeah let me talk to about another man in your life that that i did know i didn't know frank sadly but i did know regis very well uh-huh and, to me, well, how he was to me, we'll talk about in a bit. But how he was to you, because he was a remarkable talent, Regis, wasn't he? I've never known. You come closest. You come closest to every man. Except you. I love him dearly, but he was not the.

He wasn't my type. Oh, Regis? No. Why, no. There was definitely chemistry there, but... He wasn't my type. Oh, Regis? No. Well, no. There was definitely chemistry there, but it wasn't of that type. Yes, we laughed about it. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like somebody I lusted after like you.

You know, let's be honest, me and the rest of the world. But I know my plays. Megan. But anyway. I don't know what you're doing with this, but that's fine. Do what you need to do. She knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's playtime. So anyway, I was a huge fan of his before I met him. Right. So, yeah, it's an interesting thing, Regis, because he was different to the way he was on TV. That's what I'm thinking about. Oh, see, I knew him from living out in Los Angeles and watching him on AM Los Angeles.

Right. And I used to, every time I'd turn around, I'd say, I love that guy. He's a goofball, but he's really sharp. He could talk about anything. Anything. And he was willing to be a fool to get the laugh. And so when I went to Good Morning America a few years later, Regis had left L.A. and was living in New York by this time,

doing something called The Morning Show. And I was not happy at Good Morning America. It was way too scripted. It was way too corporate. It was not a place for someone like myself who- I'm familiar with that kind of thing. Yes, you know. I just couldn't play the corporate game. I couldn't be told what to say and how to say it. I mean, I was already a polished entertainer from 15 years as a singer and an actress before I went to New York. And so, you know, to tell me now, yeah, maybe tell me, help me read a cue card. No, not a cue card, but you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, there was these cue cards. I remember when I started in late and I used to give them to people late. Yeah, throw me to commercial and all that inner stuff you got. But you learn that if you're smart in five minutes. I'm sorry. You just do. But it's the if you're smart in five minutes. I'm sorry. You just do. But it's the essence of who you are when you're on the air and what you bring to it.

And it's such an interesting medium because there had never been anything like it before that was television. The movies were bigger than life, and all of a sudden there's an intimacy about television and everything else. Nobody talked to the camera and talked to the people at home and connected with them as well as Regis did and tell a story. And he could go back and forth from the person he's supposedly telling the story, but then he'd make it a fourth wall thing.

And he'd break the fourth wall and say, you know, could you believe this story? And he was brilliant, brilliant at it. And I remember thinking, oh, my gosh, that guy has so much fun. I wasn't having any fun at Good Morning America. I dreaded it. Was that in L.A., Good Morning America? No, that was New York. That's where I met Frank.

When I moved to New York to do Good Morning America, that's when I met the buns. Yes, yes, the famous buns. So anyway, yeah, so his, her name was Ann Abernathy. I'm remembering now. She was his co-host, and she was leaving to get married. And she was leaving the show, and I called up my agent, and I said, I want to try out for that show with Regis. And he goes, but it's a, why? He said, it's a local show.

And I said, because he has fun. Every time, and I respect, I think if I could just be with him, I would love my life again. I don't care about being on a national show. I'd already done Name That Tune. I'd already done a sitcom. You know, I just wanted, my personal life was always very important to me. I feel the same way. It was more important than my career.

Yeah, if you get your personal life right, then your career is just, it's fine. I'll take care of it. Exactly. Exactly. So I, my, everybody said, no, no, no, no, no. One day you'll love this story. I was sitting at Le Cirque. Remember that restaurant in New York?

Yeah. Fancy, fancy, schmancy. And so there's Barbara Walters. And it's in the newspapers now. Because I did a couple of tryouts on it. And there was a lot of inner business biz buzz about me maybe becoming the new host of that. Of, with Barbara on The View? No, there was no View then. It would be. business biz buzz about me maybe becoming the new coast of that of well with barbara and the view no there was no view then it would be uh me and regis on the on the on the morning

show oh that i was going to leave the national show for the local one right which is not the way most people you know think is is a step up right so i was sitting in the cirque and i get this this is the finger the finger well it's not the middle one, but it's the index finger. The come hither, the beckoning. More than a come hither. It was a get over. By one and only Barbara Walters. So we all obeyed the queen at that time.

So I walk over to her, and she's always been very nice to me, very, very respectful. She says, Kathy, what is this I'm hearing about you joining Regis on the morning show? And I said, I don't know, Barbara, everybody's telling me I shouldn't because it's a local show. And she looked at me and this truly made a difference in my life. She looked at me and she said, sweetheart, Toledo is local. This is New York. Yep. She she said you join regis and the magic of the two of you together if it works you will not be a local show long that's amazingly yeah she's a woman of great vision uh she was even then i mean like right at the beginning of her career is she or are there mentors for you that

was she one of them or not really i didn't have a mentor i had examples of what i wanted to be yeah i was going to say because you're not someone who with the exception of jesus i don't see you following people that much it's not kind of in you yeah no it isn't um i've had people that have impressed me so much with the way they live their life and and their and other people, their artistry. That's the kind of stuff that's always impacted me. I mean, I heard Barbra Streisand sing the first time and I was gone. I said, that's what I want to do.

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You gotta watch us. No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you gotta listen. Like, if you're watching us. You got to watch us. No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you got to listen. Like, if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like, if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just, you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, Regis, when I started in Late Night, there were three guys that I wanted to study. One was Lehrman.

Right. One was Howard Stern. Yes, of course. Because Howard can talk. To anyone. It's just unbelievable. And the other one was Regis. Yes.

Now, Regis was friends with Peter LaSalle, who was the man who gave me the job. From the Tonight Show. Tonight Show, like Johnny Carson's producer. Right. And Regis, I said, do you think I could have lunch with Regis? And Peter said, yeah, but you'll have to pay. Through the nose? Did he add through the nose?

Well, I had no idea. Did he say for all time? Because that's exactly right. Yeah. Because Regis, as generous as a human being as he was, and he was. Yes. He'd give you everything. Yeah.

But he really hated to pick up the check. I'm telling you, you know why? I'll tell you Yes. He'd give you everything. Yeah. But he really hated to pick up the check. I'm telling you, you know why? I'll tell you why. He had an Italian mother and an Irish father, and his mother used to say to him, listen, Mr. Smarty Pants, the poor house is right around the corner. Now, don't write into me about my lousy Italian.

Yeah, but she had a very thick Italian. Listen, Mr. Smarty Pants, the poor house is right around the corner. Now, don't write into me about my lousy Italian. Yeah, but she had a very thick Italian. Listen, Mr. Smarty Pants, the poor house is right around the corner. And Richard, not Richard, that's another person in my life, and Regis. Richard doesn't like it when I call him Regis. I don't think anyone in your life would like to be called Regis. He just laughs. I said, old habits are hard to break. And anyway, so Regis was, if somebody else was going to pick it up, he'd be happy to have you do it. I think he picked up the check maybe three times in the 30 years we were friends. You know what? But Frank wouldn't let anybody pick up the check.

Right. Yeah. I mean, I kind of get a bit like that as well. I mean, I'll put myself in the poor house picking up the check. Exactly. Yeah, I'll put myself in the poorhouse picking up the check. Exactly. Yeah, I know. I think that, you know, the funny thing about when you mentioned

about the private plane thing. Yeah. Right. The first time I went on a private plane was coming back. I had just done Letterman and his lawyer, Fred Nigro, was going to Los Angeles

and he said, we're taking a company plane. You can come with us. Because I was working for him anyway, so I get on this private plane there's nothing like it I'm sorry fantastic

I mean I know it's bad for the environment but boy yes tell that to Leonardo DiCaprio and John Kerry yeah ba-dum-bum

drop the mic go ahead so I said to Regis a couple of months later Regis was in in Los Angeles and he was doing

my late night show and I said to him during a commercial break he was like I'm I'm so tired. I got to get on the plane. I got to go to LAX and get on the plane. I was like, Regis, you got money. I didn't know at the time Regis. I said, Regis, you got money. Why don't you rent a plane? Back then it really, it was expensive and not like it is now. Yeah. I mean, it's always been expensive, But I was like, but Regis had money. I said, Regis, you could get a plane. You could probably do that.

And he said, first of all, the color drained from his body. The idea of spending that amount of money. And then he said, but how is everyone going to get to see Regis? That's exactly right. He loved people. And he would walk through the airport and everyone would say, hi, Regis. That's exactly right. He loved people and he would walk through the airport and everyone would say

hi Regis and he loved it. He lived for it and I really do think he died from a broken heart. Oh really? Was the show? Yes,

because I saw him two weeks before he died. He came to my house for lunch. By that time he and Joy had moved to California. I still had my home.

We'd been neighbors in Greenwich for quite a few years so we'd play tennis all had my home. We'd been neighbors in Greenwich for quite a few years. So we'd play tennis all the time together. We'd have lunch and go out to all our favorite restaurants there. And Regis, even if you thought you were going to have a quiet little lunch with him or dinner or something like that, he'd walk in and he'd go, that's right, Regis is here. I'd say, look, and look who I brought.

The woman can't live without me. And then he'd drag me to every table with him too. I always ate something before I went to lunch or dinner with Regis because I knew that by the time we'd sit down and I could order something, I would be starved. Right, because he's done 25 minutes, half an hour with every table. Every table. And that was his magic.

That's why he was beloved. There are people that respect you. with every table. Every table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was his magic. That's why he was beloved. Yeah. There are people that respect you. He was beloved because that was truly, truly him. And some people, I guess, found it obnoxious. Nobody I ever met did.

No. So anyway, he comes to my house two weeks before he passes. And I knew when I saw him, I have a courtyard there, and when I saw him get out of the, they were bringing a wedding present

to Cass. So it was like two and a half years ago. And the minute he got out of the car, I said, oh, this is going to be the last time I see him. Oh, really? I knew. Yeah. I hadn't seen him since he'd given me an award. His hair went white.

I remember that. Yeah. His hair went white. This was in August. And he'd given me an award in January out in Los Angeles. And he was supposed to call me up to get my award. This is when I knew that things were not going well. We laughed about it for the longest time.

But he said, and so let's just bring her up now. And I could tell he was searching. Here she is. Kathy Lee Griffin. Okay. And I stood up and just went, it's Gifford. And it was hysterically funny. And it was vintage us, you know.

But that was the next time I'd seen him was almost eight months later. Because we lived apart. So we came in and we just picked up right where, like you and I do. Yeah. We just pick up right where we left off. Sure, the conversation started and it's still going. And it's still going. And if you needed me, you know I would get on a plane to Scotland in a second.

Right back at you. Those are the greatest. You're not required to do anything. Just love me. Be there if I really need you. Sure. That's it. Yep.

So anyway, it got to the point that night where everything was like, right, Joy, when was it? when was it? When was it? And we started laughing about some stuff. And then Joy says, Regis, tell Kathy what you said to me this morning. He goes, what did I say, Joy? And he goes, you know, you know about, because I said to him, Regis, you've still got the greatest head of hair. I always say that to you, too.

I just admire men with hair. You can be bald and I can still like you, but I love a good head of hair. I'll take it. Yes. So I said, we used to look at you. Your hair is beautiful. He goes, it is? And he just lit up.

And she goes, tell her what you just said this morning. He'd said to her that morning, Joy, we're going over to Kath's house this morning, right? We're going to see Kath. And Joy said, yes, we're going to have lunch, honey. And he goes, oh, okay, well, I don't like my hair. You've got to wash my hair for me. You've got to do my hair. I've got to look good for Kath.

Wow. And so the first thing I say is, look at your hair. That's great. You know, it was just, that's the people that, you just know each other. You've come to love and respect and just enjoy each other's company so much. So we laughed our asses off.

And two weeks later, he's gone. And I went to their house close by and Joy and the daughters were going through a lot of his memorabilia and stuff like that. Yeah, he had tons of fun stuff. Oh my, he saved everything. He hoarded. Yeah, his office was a museum.

That standee of Dean Martin was there and all the Rat Packs. Perry Como, everybody. Dean Martin. And she said, Kathy, I just want you to know as I was leaving, she said, the last time I heard Regis laugh was with you. Oh, that's nice. And I just thought, I'm going to cherish that. I'm going to cherish that because my goal every single morning for 15 years years on the air with him and i never had a sick day once i never missed a day vacation but i'm sorry you know i never in in 15 years i my goal was to get him to laugh within

five seconds yeah and and i rarely didn't it was. He was a very satisfying man to make laugh, wasn't he? Oh, my gosh. He would just enjoy. And I cherish the 15 years we had together. They were golden years. Television's not the same. They were amazing. Amazing what you guys were doing.

I was so blessed. And I went on to do good television again also. Yeah, you and Hoda threw down a little bit. We had some fun. We created a whole different genre, too. But nobody in my entire career have I been more explosive with on the air than with Mr. Craig Ferguson. Oh, that's a heck of a thing to say. That is the truth.

We had to have a little delay, as I recall, in our broadcast because we could be naughty. I think that's more to do with my unprofessionalism than us being naughty. No, we just were comfortable around each other and we would forget that there were cameras rolling. Did you know Regis introduced me to Don Rickles? Oh, one of the great comic geniuses ever. Unbelievable. Yes.

So I'm on this, Regis is in Peter Lasalli's office. I've just started. Everybody was hanging out there. Oh, yeah, Lasalli, that's where it, where Show Business Central, that's where it all went. So I'm in Peter Lasalli's office. I've just started. Everybody was hanging out there. Oh, yeah. Lasalli was, that's where it, where Show Business Central, that's where it all went. So I'm in Peter Lasalli's office. I can't believe I'm with Lasalli.

He's a, you know, he's a legend. Oh, just amazing person. And everything I got in late night was from this guy. And so I'm in Peter's office and Regis is here. And he said,

you know, I'm on the phone with Rickles. You should talk to Rickles. I'm like, Don Rickles is going to talk to me on the phone? I'm like, yeah, he'll talk to you. You've got a show on TV. He'll talk to you. So I get on the phone with Rickles.

And I don't know what to say. So I say to Don Rickles, Mr. Rickles, would you come on my show? And he went, well, let's wait to see if you're a hit first. If you're a hit, I'll come in on the show. But I'm not coming on some loser. Why would I waste my time? A loser like you. We became friends.

My wife and I, Megan and I became friends with him and Barbara. He comes to a party at my house, Rickles. I can't believe, like, I'm having this Christmas party. You're in New York, so you're not at the party. We weren't great friends. So he turns up at the party with Barbara. Everybody that, you know, there's this pack

full of LA people. You were a hit by then. By then, I'm a hit. He comes over to me. He gives me a bunch of single dollars, and he says, here, get a better house. Where were you? In the valley? I was in the hills, but he didn't like the fact that he had to walk

all through from this car it was too much too many stairs it was too much effort yeah and he was not sure it was worth it

but he was brilliant that to me is you know we're meant to be talking about joy the joy of not just joy filming but also

the joy of show business the essence of joy but also the joy of show business the essence of joy the you know the the joy of show business i think is the idea that you can go from watching someone like rickles when you're a kid or seeing kathy and regis or regis and kathy as it was i believe on tv and then you meet these people. This happened to me with Robin Williams. It's like you meet people and they become friends and they're real. You pinch yourself at first and then you just realize, no, they're so human. And the times that are hard are not like what you and I are discussing.

It's when the person that you really admire turns out to be not a very nice person. Yeah, that happens. Yeah, that happens once in a while. I look for the best in everybody, but that once in a while... Every now and again. So I've always thought every time I go out, I said, if this is the first and only time

anybody's going to meet me, I want it to be a good experience for them. You try. I want to be kind. I want to ask their name. I want to look at them. Yeah, you're very good at it. I've seen you do it.

Yeah, it's just really important that you see people and value them as individuals because they... I try, but most of the time I'm sorry.

That's not true. You are not. And you know what? We wouldn't have the lives we have without them. 100%. They bought

my records, all three of them. Oh, no, I had 30, some records, 16 records, but 30 people... I think you're being

a little tough on yourself with the records. They bought everything I was putting out there three of them. Oh, no, I had 30, some records, 16 records, but 30 people. I think you're being a little tough on yourself with the records. They bought everything I was putting out there. They watched the show, you know, I don't like the word,

but religiously, and they were glued to it. I have the same fans, a lot of them have died, but so have my critics. So anyway. Everybody goes. Everybody goes. Everybody goes.

It's just a matter of where. Yeah. Where do you think we go at the end? You know, I don't think there is an end. I agree with you. I don't think there's a beginning. I mean, the end of this realm. Yeah.

I don't think there's a beginning, and I don't think there's an end. Are we real right now? Yeah. Because some people think that we're illusion. It's almost like a matrix thing. We are illusion. That's a little too hashish for me. Me too.

Here's what I think. I think that everything is everywhere all the time. That would be God. I'm beginning to get a smell of that. But I feel like whatever it is, have you heard of a guy called Shakespeare? Of course. All right, okay. I love Shakespeare.

So there's this guy Shakespeare, right? And he writes this play about a guy. If he really wrote it, it could have been. Yeah, that's true. I think it was probably written by Regis. Christopher Marlowe. Yeah. You know Christopher Marlowe died in a knife fight?

I didn't know that. In South London. Fighting over his copyrights? I think he was just like, he liked to get drunk and fight. And that's when playwrights were playwrights. They weren't sitting around wearing glasses. They were like out stabbing each other. Yeah.

They didn't look like Neil Simon. No, no, no, no, no. They were out. They wore big poofy trousers and they went out. Well, there's a story. Occasionally I wear poofy trousers. But Shakespeare wrote in that play

Hamlet yes he wrote there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophies Horatio

yes and I think that that I think that's the right quote and if it's not I don't know if it's Horatio I remember the quote

and it's just like it's so true I mean in your peon mind, who can box up God and eternity? Well, here's St. Augustine of Hipple said, trying to understand the mind of God is like trying to pour the ocean into a cup. That's right. And a wee woman that I heard in a 12-step meeting in Glasgow said something very similar about God. She said, son, if God was small enough for me to understand, he wouldn't be big enough to do me any good.

Now would he? And that's, I think, something in that area is where I am, I think. Yes. For now. You know what? I also remember you saying to me, and forgive me if it's not, I've already written about it in the book. I sent you the book, and I got your permission, so I'll just remind you. You can say it in your life.

You said, that time that we talked about you and why do you love me and all of that, the other thing you said, Kath, you know, we were closing, we were wrapping soon. And you said, you know, I'm still not your guy. I don't believe in your guy. That's what it was. Kathy, you know, I still don't believe in your guy. And I said, I know. And I said, no, I don't. But I said, yeah, I know you don't. But you know what I do know about you at this point?

I know that you, let me say this properly, the life that Jesus lived, you said something about the life, but the life that Jesus lived, if every single person on this earth lived the way Jesus lived his life, the world would be a very different place. And you said, that I believe 100%. And I do. Yeah. And I do believe that. A hundred percent. And I do. Yeah.

And I do believe that. And also, here's something else I'm going to say about you before we finish up. Because apparently you need two full episodes of this podcast, not one. I'm not going anywhere. Yeah, well, okay. We'll see you for season five. But you, I believe this, and I've said this about you before, you are a joy. And here's why. Because you would never, ever let anything you believe stand in the way of you helping another human being, and I've seen you do it. And that

is, I know this is not a word to use, but that to me is what a Christian should look like. Well, that's what Jesus looked like. Then, well done. You're doing fine. Thank you, honey. Well, you know, it's so interesting because the first people who believed in Jesus were obviously Jews. And they didn't, there was no word Christian then because that was a Greek word later that came far later. They were called followers of the way. Jesus was a Jew and the Jews who were his disciples, and there were thousands of them, and that's why they had to crucify him. He was getting way too much power, and he was too much

of a threat to the Pharisees and the Sadducees, the religious guys who controlled everything. Jesus was getting them to understand that your tithes are not what God wants. He wants your heart. Whoa, wait a minute, the ties, the ties, that's how we make our living around here, you know, that kind of thing. That's why he took a whip to, the only time Jesus was sort of violent, people will say, he wasn't violent at all. He was righteously angered. He picked up the whip and he didn't take it out on the money changers. He upset the tables, all the tables where the money was. And he said, you have made my father's house of prayer into a den of thieves. And they had to crucify him then. You go after the money,

now we're in trouble. Yeah, you know what? I think that's still a bit of a problem. It doesn't happen anymore, thank goodness. Yeah, that's right. Everybody's fine now, and money's not important. The man is stretching his arms like, thank God I'm done with it. Although, do I believe in God? No, thank you. Thank whatever I'm not sure about that I'm done with this woman who is sure about it. For now. Who loves you with all her heart.

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