Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Lisa Loeb

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

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They are available at thecraigfergusonshow.com slash tour, or at your local outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. your local outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. My guest today is someone I first met 30 years ago. Good lord.

She's very, very talented and very clever and very funny. I always enjoy talking to her and I always enjoy listening to her. Oh, good lord. She's very, very talented and very clever and very funny. I always enjoy talking to her and I always enjoy listening to her. And I invite you to do that right now. Join me, my guest today, Lisa Lope, everybody. ["The Last Supper"] Do you know what I'm very happy about, Lisa? and I'm going to tell you this right now,

we both look exactly the same as we did when we first met. Well, you do, actually, which is kind of, I've kind of got a little squiggly around the edges, but you look exactly the same. You're still the youthful songstress. I don't know if you remember this, we first met when I was doing the Drew Carey show. Do you remember that when you were on there? Oh right, and I got to be a guitar player. I mean, I am one, but I got to play myself.

I've been seeing that on socials lately. Some of the people I forgot were on there, like Slash, Joe Walsh was there. Joe Walsh and I became pals after that. So cool. I've met him a couple of times, but we didn't actually become like friends yet. I remember when we met him, we met him someplace, my husband and I, and I said, oh my gosh, this is so cool. We get to meet you.

And he's like, yeah, right. Or he was like, yeah. We're like, yeah, it is cool to meet you. She's very, very fun. Once I was doing a, I got a job doing a, working on it, it's a long story, but I got a job working, doing a script with Mick Jagger. And so I had to leave the Drew Carey Show and go and be on tour with Rolling Stones for a little bit.

And everybody was saying, oh, say, tell Mick I said hi, tell Mick I said hi. And then Joe was there and he said, ah, tell Mick I said hi. And I went, oh yeah, you actually mean tell me. I said, like, yeah, yeah, I've known him for years. That's so cool. I didn't know you. Did you, what, what happened with the, did anything happen with the Rolling Stones, uh, Mick Jagger thing?

Mech had the idea for a screenplay and I had written a movie that he liked. So then, uh, he, he go, he hired me to write this movie and I wrote two drafts of it. And then I go fired and the movie never got made. But that happens. He's taller than I thought. He's taller than I thought. Really? I told you, I always thought he was a teeny tiny little guy.

Yeah, I know exactly. But, but he's taller than like, I've met him once. And then I also had a sighting of him I met him in the studio once I was visiting Don was the producer and Yeah, of course And he he was like he had been working with Mick Jagger a lot I guess or he was in the studio So he was like let's go out there and like we knock on the door We're like is he in there and we're our ears to the door

Although you can't hear anything because it's a really huge studio, you know with like yes But anyway, we're trying to listen and he was in there. And we're ears to the door, although you can't hear anything because it's a really huge studio, you know, with like this number of doors. But anyway, we're trying to listen in. He was in there, so we opened the door and he was in there with, what's his name from Eurythmics? Dave Stewart, who he was working with. Dave Stewart, right. And I was trying to be cool. So I first introduced myself to like the guy

working at Pro Tools on the computer and the other assistant and like the third assistant. And I was just going around the room. I wasn't trying to prioritize Mick Jagger and Dave Stewart third assistant and I was just going around the room. I wasn't trying to prioritize Mick Jagger and Dave Stewart. But then I got to Mick Jagger and he was, he was, but I'm five too. So everybody seems, you know, taller. Well, see, this is an interesting lesson in perspective because the first time I met Mick

Jagger, I met him, I had to fly to Istanbul because they were doing the Bridges to Babylon tour. Oh yeah. And I met him there and I was very tired and jet-lagged by the time I met him and he opened his hotel room door and I was so riddled that I said, oh, you're adorable. And I very much regretted saying that right away. But I'm six and a half. And you said it to his face. You said it to his face. Yeah, I said it out loud like an idiot.

That sounds like me. I still got the job. What are we thinking? I don't know. I think sometimes when you meet super famous people and they've been super famous since a long time, since like you were a kid, then it's hard to compute. Do you know what I mean? Like you're super famous, but I'm very comfortable talking with you because I've talked to you

lots of different times over the years. And if you meet people who were famous when you were a kid, it's a different thing. Yeah. I did that recently. Who did I talk to? And I walked up to them and I said, gosh, who was it? I have to remember. I said, oh my gosh, you're so cute.

Can I squish your face? And it was somebody like, what am I squishing something? Like squishing their face with my hands. Who was that? I don't think I was supposed to do that. Robert De Niro? I'm going to say Robert De Niro. It was De Niro. But you, I also, and I can't remember this. I can't remember if I met you first or if my parents somehow met you first backstage at one of your shows in Dallas.

They did. I may have been on your show once and then maybe connected to you guys. I don't know. And then I was on your show again. I don't remember. I can't remember. I don't really remember the order. I do remember your parents because people's parents come and see me. Yeah. To this day. It's a thing.

I was doing a meet and greet after a show like a couple of weeks ago. And this lady with a very familiar face said to me, do you know my son? My son is an actor. And I went, I don't know. What was your son's name? And she said, Wes. And I looked at her face and went, you're Wes Bentley's mom?

She went, yeah, have you heard of my son? I went, of course I've heard of your son. That's so sweet. It was very lovely, but she really, Wes Bentley really looks like his mom. Oh my gosh. That's all I'm saying. That's so amazing. It's you just, you never know who you're going to meet.

I'm trying to look to see on my phone who I met, who I squished their face. And I was like, I can't believe that was like the first, oh, I know. It was, it was a music festival. It was this huge music festival. And the last minute I was playing there with my band, like a couple months ago. And at the last minute they said, oh, hey, do you want to co-host this cooking segment right before you play with this, you know, TV chef and Jason, oh, it's the kid from American Pie. And Jason was like, oh, I'm going to go with Jason. And I was like, I'm going to go with Jason.

And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason.

And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason. And Jason was like, I'm going to go with Jason Do you want to co-host this cooking segment right before you play with this, you know, TV chef and Jason? Oh, it's a kid from American pie. This kid Jason Isaacs.

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Oh, yeah. You know who I mean? Yeah, I do know who you mean. I know Jason Biggs and he would be okay with you squishing his face. That guy. Yes, of course. He doesn't really look like that anymore. Yeah.

I didn't know he did cooking segments. Yeah, he does cooking segments. Yeah. I think he had a cooking something, something, uh, I don't know. And I had a cooking show on Food Network as well. And it was really fun. It's a very fun thing to do to cook on stage. Do you still do that?

Do you still do all the cooking stuff? I do. I mean, in real life, I do. I think I do. Although my kids lately, they're like, oh, chicken tikka masala again. I'm like, I'm, you know, I'm trying hard. I'm a human. I'm not just like a mom. I'm a human. I'm a human. I'm not just like a mom.

I'm a human. I'm trying really hard to make food. I think it's pretty good. So funny to me because I hear you say, you know, you talk to your kids and you're a mom, but to me, you're like, you know, you're 28 years old and I, I see you in the Blue Carry Show. It's like, I think of myself, I'm like, I'm 42 and my kids are just little, but that's not true anymore. My kids are grown up and think I'm an asshole. It's weird.

You're the worst person ever, right? Yeah. I feel like lately in Los Angeles, I've definitely felt things shifting and it may be because I'm wearing black sweats a lot. It's just a nice black sweat pants. I always feel like Oprah Winfrey at some point said, don't leave your house looking like, I don't know what, like you need to be basically put together. So I'm put together like black sweats, sneakers, black t-shirt. And a lot of salespeople lately when I'm with my kids are like, mom, hey mom, they call me mom, like at Verizon.

They call me mom. Yeah. Mom, what do you think of that? I'm like, oh yeah, I'm the mom. I mean, I am. Yeah. You know, once I was standing with one of my like, oh yeah, I'm the mom. I mean, I am. Yeah. Do you know, once I was standing with one of my boys at Gelson's, you know, Gelson's Right near my house.

Right near your house. Right. So I was at Gelson's. Wait, which one were you at? Which one were you near? Well, at that time it was the one just like on the top, like at the bottom of Beechwood Canyon, in front of that area. Yeah.

Right. So I'm at the Gelson's and I was standing with my oldest son, who at the time I think was about 15. Yeah. Right. So I'm at the Gelsons and I was standing with my, my oldest son, who at the time I think was about 15. Yeah. And we were standing there and I saw this girl look at him as she was going by. And then she just went by. She looked at him and she went by and I went, Oh my God, something just happened. Somebody just saw, it wasn't a guy with his kid.

She saw a guy with his dad. It was, I wasn't the guy anymore. It was like, he was the guy and I was the appendage. And I was like, Oh man, that is a shift. But it is, you know, it's just, it happens. It's the natural order of things. What is it your kids know? I was just about to ask you that. My kids are, my daughter just turned 15. She's in ninth grade and my son is 12. How about you? See that's, well, I'm a little further down the line.

Well, maybe a little bit. I waited a long time. Yeah, I did too. I did too. I waited a long time in between. My oldest is 23. Okay. And my youngest is 13.

Oh wow. Yeah. But Scottish people are like, you you know these big orchids in the jungle that just explode every 10 years and everything around them gets pregnant. That's what Scottish people do. They have sex with every 10 years. They have to go to their home planet like Spock and then that's how they mate. So I have my boys are almost 10 years apart, nine and a half years apart. Wow. Which I think is it works for them. Like my wife always says, it's like,

you have a Kirk and a Spock, but you better have the Spock first, because if you have the Kirk first, you won't have any other kids. You gotta have Spock and then Kirk, and that's what we got. And your wife's a big nerd, so your wife's a big nerd. She likes to talk about Star Trek.

She's incredibly nerdy, I think. We have Star Wars wallpaper in our bathroom. That's a different star show. I have, I don't know, I've got two very unique, different kids. Although when they were younger, my son was on the taller side and people used to think they were twins. But they're not. And now my daughter is taller than I am. And my son, just yesterday, stood next to me and he's a tiny bit taller than I am, I think. I knew at some point I was gonna be looking up at them

and pointing my finger saying, it's time for bed, you get to bed. You have to behave yourself and don't smoke cigarettes. I know my parents used to say, make sure, my mom would say, make sure you come home at 11, but be real quiet, cause we're gonna be asleep.

I was like, hmm, yeah, I'll be home at 11. Yeah, I'll be, I was, I came in at 11, but you guys were asleep. You were sleeping. So you didn't know. Yeah. Were you a wild kid? You were not wild, were you?

Were you a crazy kid? I was not a wild, I was, I was a, I was a very studious kid. I was a kid who had a million different things that I loved to do. I was, I was a dancer and had a million different things that I loved to do. I was a dancer and an actor and I was a DJ on the radio and I DJed parties. I would carry in all these big crates of records. I did a lot of extracurriculars, acting in musical theater and music.

But you weren't a wild kid. But I did go to Spain though. That was when DJs put records on and then gave out prizes. It was like a sock hop, but in the 80s. And like, I'd play like a deep cut from Juran Juran and we'd play like the chauffeur instead of just Hungry Like the Wolf, which we danced to with the dance troupe

at the boys' school. And I was right in the front row. And my friends who were in bands with me were right in the front row at this boys' school where we were dancing with our dance troupe from the girls school to Hungry Like the Wolf wearing leotards and tatters and rags and I thought you know what I can't be in the dance troupe anymore doing these sexy dances at the boys school this is not I can't do this. It sounds like a recipe for disaster. It was just not. Having the girls from the girls school dance for the boys at the boys school.

Yeah. It was embarrassing. It was 7.30 in the morning. I had to stop. I just had to focus on writing music and getting out of that. But I also, you know, I went to Spain one summer between, what was it? Sophomore and junior year. I lived in Spain.

Whereabouts in Spain did you go? In Cuenca. It was a little town called Cuenca. A few hours outside of Madrid. And it had a famous museum called Las Casas Colgadas. And we lived with families. And we legally drank beer and rode on the back of motorcycles, little scooters and motorcycles. That's a very European thing. It was so European. I was so European. So when I came back from Spain, I was way more European

than I had been before I left for Spain. And my friends and I loved to go see bands play and we would sneak out and, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't getting caught. I wasn't terrible, but I wasn't getting caught either. Well, but you, you grew up in Dallas though, right? Yeah, I grew up in Dallas. And so you'd see some pretty big acts coming through there. Oh yeah. You were a kid.

We saw everybody. We saw, well, I don't know why I keep thinking, I was thinking Dire Straits. You know, the police goes to the machine tour. We saw, I remember seeing Grace Jones at this place called the Stark Club. And I also remember that might've been after high school. And then I remember seeing, oh gosh, what's the band name? You spin me right round, baby, right?

Oh, Dead or Alive, Pete Burns. At the same place, we went to go see them at the start club, this club that we probably shouldn't have been on, we were probably underage, but we would sneak in. And it was the first time I was like wait there's no band, he's singing with the microphone and I can hear the music, but there's no musicians. And I realized like that is a track, he's singing to a track. But that was fun. But I saw so many bands play. Oh my gosh. It was amazing. I loved it.

I did a lot of that too. Who did you see? I saw everybody, man. I saw Bowie on the low tour. I saw Queen. I saw Queen. Oh, before? Yeah. Before what?

Before a night in the opera. I saw them on the sheer heart attack. I was like a young guy. I'm 62 years old. I'm like a hundred years old. I'm close. I'm close. I was at Live Aid in London.

I happened to be studying acting that summer in London at the National Youth Theatre of Great Britain, making an American musical. I don't know why they had us doing an American musical, but anyway, I said, you know, there's this big show coming through called Live Aid and I got a couple of friends with me to go on the tube. I'm so British now. And to go get, we bought tickets and we went and we saw, we were there. We saw all of everybody. Bowie and Thomas Dolby playing with Bowie, which I know not Thomas Dolby. Yeah, Thomas Dolby played with Bowie on that show, which I did not. Was that, was that, he, she blinded me with science.

Yeah, he's really good. Right? Flat Earth blinded me with science. That was totally right. Flat. Yeah. But wait, who else did you see? Who else did you see? I saw the pistols. I saw the stranglers. So the dam, the sort that I mean, like some like everybody used to come to a glass.

That's amazing. When with Lamy. Oh, let me. Yeah. I saw Hawkwind with Lemmy. Oh, Lemmy. Yeah, I saw Hawkwind with Lemmy. I think I was my first concert actually when I was 13. I saw Hawkwind when they were playing Silver Machine and they used to have a dancer called Stacia, who was a lady who would dance with her

and she would take her top off. And we were 13 year old boys and we would see Stacia dancing with her top off. It was, uh, You loved music. You loved going to see music. I loved music. And like all boys of that age, I loved Stacia as well.

She was, I don't think that's allowed now. I think that would be frowned upon in modern. Well, it depends on who's doing it. Rightly so. Rightly so maybe. It depends on who decides to do it. You know, if the artist decides, it may be different. I went to go see Billie Eilish last night with my daughter. Oh yeah. It was amazing. It was amazing actually. I've never seen and I saw, you know, not to necessarily

compare them, but they're two big arena shows. saw Taylor Swift a few you know in this last eras tour Which was amazing and beautiful and and I saw I've seen pink and it's amazing and but the lighting it was so unique I'd never seen anything like that. It's very intense But she kept her clothes on for sure. Yeah, I think that that's okay I mean, I she had decided not to it probably also would have been okay But she would have had to decide I think that's good Well, I think I don't know who who was deciding for anything I think a lot of people when I saw Hulk went when I was 13 I wasn't I think a lot of people were on very powerful

Narcotics at that point in their lives and their decision-making may have been impaired. The drugs were deciding. The drugs were decided. It's funny though, it's a real, I mean, quite seriously though, it's a trap for young musicians or used to be. It seems to me that young musicians now are a little more ambitious and work focused, career focused than they used to be. Is that true? In some ways, I think in some ways I think they are and I think they understand this concept that they're gonna have many jobs.

It used to be, I'm sure it was the same with you, being in entertainment and comedy and acting and writing. You didn't wanna say like, oh, and I'm also, I work at this store or I also created this idea or I also teach or, now kids do a lot of different things. Like they might be teaching and then they're in their band or they might have a real job and then they also have a entertainment job and it's not taboo. But I think back in those days you wanted to do one thing or you weren't serious.

You know, you were a dilettante. That's right. Yeah. You were a tourist if you weren't fully committed to it. I don't know, man. It seems such a funny thing because I came up being, you know, I was a drummer. So I always kind of thought that was going to be my life. I would just be in bands my whole life. And then I would probably die when I was 25, which I think if I'd stayed drumming that that's possibly true.

Um, but I think that- Wait, what kind of music were you playing? I was playing punk rock music. Okay. Um, with, which was useful for me because- I've heard of that genre. It's a genre that was popular amongst the young folks when I was young. And it was very forgiving of the lifestyle I had at the time.

So it, it fit right into my leisure activities to be amongst punk rock artists. It worked really well for me, but I don't think it has any real longevity about it as a, I don't know if there are even punk rock bands around. There are, there are. Even if they're- But now they're like- Really? Yeah, the guys that I know who are in more of the kind of punky bands, it's more of a

sound than a lifestyle. It's more of like the emotion and the sound. And some of the guys I know who are in the more punk bands, they are straight edge. They call it straight edge. You know, they're super sober, very pro sober. I am not straight edge. I just don't drink very much.

I never get around to it. And I just am too busy. Every once in a while, I keep trying to drink champagne more. And then I'm really tired the next day because I had champagne. And so I- That's fabulous. It's very-

I think that that's good. Yeah, it's kind of like, it's not, that's always, my friends and I used to make up, when the new year came around, we tried to make some kind of a promise based on a rhyme with the number, like in 2020, well, it wasn't a rhyme, but I was like, in 2020, I'm gonna see people in person,

because like vision, like 2020, and then that was the year of the COVID. So yeah. Yeah, very different. But like starting in 1994, I remember my friend Amy and I said more in 94, which was like more drinking, and we just never got back around to it yet.

That was 30 years ago. 2025. 2025, let me drink until I'm not alive. That might be too much. It's a lot of words and I don't want to do. Catch Jon Stewart back in action on The Daily Show and in your ears with The Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. From his hilarious satirical takes on today's politics and entertainment to the unique voices

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I'm thinking of Denver like this. They've got a really good airport with like bookstores and Fudge. I feel like last time I've been there, the last couple of times they've been doing construction, but maybe that's the Atlanta. Or Atlanta. Was it Atlanta? Was it Atlanta? It was one of the places where you could get stuck there for a while. But I remember because you were walking through looking very romantic and clever and your guitar was strapped to your back and I was like, oh my God, look at that girl. She's so great. She kind of like just lives her fucking life, man.

And I was so impressed by how you were just like traveling from one place and going to another place and living the vagabond life and playing music. I was very jealous, but I'm very impressed at the same time. Cause I think by then I was on your book tour. That's right. You're on your book tour. That's right. I was selling, I was selling a book, um, which, you know, you got to write books.

That's a thing. Yeah. That's, that's got to write books. That's a thing. Oh yeah. That's, that's hard to write books. I just wrote a book, but it's not a long, it says children's book, but I'm waiting to hear back from a publisher. You got into that a little bit with the music as well though. Haven't you been doing like the, the recent thing with 25 for 20 years or more.

I've been making children's music. I can't believe it. I know somebody said she just got into children's music. It was in some billboard thing. And I was like, well, it was cool to be in the company of John Legend who just made a children's record, a really beautiful children, a great children's record. But I was like, I think I've been doing this

for 20 years now. Let me see, Lisa Lowe. That's amazing, she was doing it before you had your own kids. Oh, way before. I didn't even know about kids. I didn't, I wasn't really, it was, oh my gosh, 21 years ago I put out that record, the first kids record. I was asked by Barnes and Noble, it was like a cool opportunity, like a neat business thing.

They said, will you do a record that's different from your regular records and we'll sell it exclusively at Barnes and Noble. And I thought that was great. You know, it's hard to sell things and have people know about them. And I thought that was great. I love books, bookstores. And so I made, we ended up deciding to make a children's record as my thing that was different. And really, it was because I'm a nostalgic person and I liked my childhood and I wanted to sort of live inside that world and

Make music like the kind of things we listened to or I listened to when I was little there was a lot of music that sounded like 70s soft pop and summer camp songs and Grown-up songs that you couldn't tell if they were for grown-ups or kids You know like the like I'd watch this TV show Fernwood Tonight or the Sunny and Cher show, things that were like funny and whimsical and weird. And, and, and the old Sesame Street. I wanted to make stuff like that.

So I started making kids records and I had kids way later. You made a really great, uh, version of Big Rock Candy. Oh yeah. That's my friend Liz. That just like, that was my first kid's record record so my friend Liz produced the record. Elizabeth Mitchell, she was my freshman roommate. We had a band together for six years in college like a regular band. We had a band in college and beyond and then we went our separate directions and she was in a she is in it like an indie rock band. Her husband was

in a punk band and she also made kids music, very well known kids music. And she's so good at it. And I asked if she would make this record with me. So we made that first record together. And she, you know, we did it at their studio and she's so good at making songs like that. So that was the first kids record, but I had no idea. But that's a weird song, Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Cause I always think that's laced with such terrible sadness and weirdness about it, you know, because it's like a hobo kind of, you know, hopeful song about it's going to be all right, don't worry. You know, it's not somebody's dog is going to die. Yeah. The fire will go out. But it's so sad. I love that, that really longing, sad, you know, yeah. It's the dream in the sky, like right before the person dies.

Yeah. Have you ever been to Scandinavia? Yes. Have you been to Stockholm? Yes, I have. Have you been to the Children's Museum in Stockholm? No, I have to go back. I went to go see the Titanic, the movie, and I came out. I hadn't seen it. I saw it like two years after it came out in Stockholm. No, I have to go back. I went to go see the Titanic, the movie, and I came out at, I hadn't seen it.

I saw it like two years after it came out in Stockholm and we came out at like 11 at night and it was still light out. Still light. Yeah. Wait, the children's museum. In Stockholm is one of the saddest places I have ever been in my life. It is so, so traumatizing. Why?

They have, they have a children's story in Sweden. I don't even want to talk about how sad it is, but it's basically about a couple of brothers who starved to death and how it's just dreadful. But they're very fond of it in Sweden and they've got a little train that takes you around all the puppets. Oh, that's the puppets? As I was going around, oh, there's puppets and little things. And then you go around and then at the end of it, everybody's dead.

You're like, what the hell is this? What's wrong with you people? And then you talk to Swedish people like, oh yeah, it's a very beautiful museum. They're like, what's wrong with you people? Everybody's dead. They're like, yes, it's sad, but you know, this is life. I think about Sweden a lot because that was the first place I was, we stayed at this hotel called the Lidmar hotel a couple of times and it was very, it was very Scandinavian. It was like, you know,

being at Ikea, like a long time ago. And I remember, I was like, you know what I liked? They had the king size bed, but with two separate coverlets, two separate comforters. So you can have your own covers. But your own space. Your own space in a king size bed. I love that. Yeah, I think that's because they're nude a lot. Oh, maybe.

I think they're mostly nude. The snow, like they go on the snow nude and then they do long distance skiing. They were going to take me cross country skiing. They promised me blueberry soup. I never got it. Well, you know, probably for the best. I think that's what the people died of in the museum.

They died of blueberry soup poisoning, but they have marvelous thighs. So because of their, because of the cross-country skating. And I felt short. I was short. All the women there that I knew were very tall and the men were shorter. Yeah, that is true over there. But handsome, yeah. Yeah, short, handsome men who, you know, if they make it through childhood, live to a

ripe old age. With nice thighs. Yeah. Beautiful thighs. I heard that on the Today Show. It's all about the thigh meat. That's what they said on the Today Show one summer. The shorts were getting shorter for men and the guy, the stylist was like, it's all about

the thigh meat this year. I was like, I don't know. I can't believe that a person would say that. I know it was awesome. On like the Today Show. It was good. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like that's an unusual choice of words to describe a human's legs, but that well, you know, what?

Thigh meat is fine. I work on my own thigh meat. Um, but it's, did you, when you had your own kids, did it change you, the kids music for you? Did you use it? Cause you know, yeah, I thought it might. It changed so much because I started off writing, I made a handful of records. I made the record with Liz, which had a lot of songs like Big Rock, Candy Mountain, and

some original songs. And then I wasn't sure if I was making more kids' music, but I was getting a lot of people asking me, what's your next kids' record? And I made a summer camp songs record called Camp Lisa, which also inspired a kids' musical, an off-B off Broadway show. And I loved summer camp and we wrote all these songs like the disappointing pancake that was inspired by on top of spaghetti, like a long inanimate food object

adventure song, all these songs. And I love them so much and they had all these words. And then I made songs for moving and shaken, which was also a book and sillyakin', which was also a book, and Silly Songs, which was also a book. And then I actually had kids who were old enough to talk. And they, and I started playing more kids' concerts. And it turned out kids don't really want to hear a lot of songs with a lot of words that they don't know.

I was filling in the set with songs like the ABCs and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. And they were like grownups. They were kind of like, oh, finally something I know, like finally something I can listen to and sing along to like, oh, all those other songs that you're playing, they're just getting bored. So I made like alphabet, like I started making nursery rhymes and, and alphabet songs and things like that, that kids actually wanted to hear.

And then I decided to do what I wanted to do. I go into that with my kids when they might be giants that are those kids' albums. Super cool. Which were, yeah, my kids listen to your stuff and they listen to they might be giants because I wouldn't let them listen to like regular kids' Plinkety Plonk music. Oh yeah, yeah, the Plinkety Plonk, yeah. You listen to the real music though. The Plinkety Plonk's not alive.

Yeah. Unless it's on, unless it's like hilariously on purpose. But yeah, my kids listen to, you know, they loved, my, my son would cry. I see that my son or my daughter would cry if I didn't play them September by Earth, Wind and Fire. If I changed the station, they're like, put it back on. You know, they want to hear real music. My youngest was like that about Atmospheres by Joy Division.

Yeah, they want to hear. Don't walk away in silence. youngest was like that about Atmospheres by Joy Division. Yeah. You're like, really? Okay. And also, um, what's that? If you could turn back time to the good old days. Who's that? Um, when mama say it's, they loved, uh, and Foo Fighters and you know, all right I thought you were saying if I could turn back time

I'm listening to shares autobiography right now. Um, it's so good. Oh, did she read her own autobiography? She does the intro and says I'm not gonna read this I've got she had dyslexia She said I'm not I can't do a share voice but she said she wasn't gonna read it and she has other people and then I'm a gonna, I can't do a Cher voice, but she said she wasn't gonna read it. And she has other people. And then I'm a little confused because one of the people who's reading it has a very slow reading of her book. So I speed it up. Cause I'm like, I can't wait for the pauses.

And the other person is either Cher or what I thought it was, was the woman who played Cher in the movie who sounds like Cher. Remember there was like a Cher biopic at some point, a long time ago. And this woman sounds like Cher Or it is Cher and I was confused. I thought Cher said she wasn't gonna read it herself

Well, you know, that's the thing about Cheryl though. She yeah, I mean she's eggs when we zag she might have said I'm not gonna read it. She's gonna read it, but she shares she can do what she wants. You ever met Cheryl? I have and I cried I met both two of my childhood people that I loved so much, my childhood music heroes. I met Cher and Olivia Newton-John the same day at a music festival. And I just, the tear, I have a tear in my eye. I was, I can't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Cher was so cool.

She had such crazy outfits and she did a cover of Jimi Hendrix, Hey Joe, and her outfits. When I was a kid, we dressed our Barbies up as Sunny and Cher, especially Cher and Olivia Newton-John. It's so funny because these... Have you met her before? Have you spoken to her? Who? Cher?

Yeah. Yeah, I met Cher once years and years ago. I was doing this dumb music show in the UK and I was hosting it. And for some reason, she agreed to do this little sit down interview thing. I could barely speak because, you know, I'd never, this is before I did Late Night. I mean, by the time I did Late Night, I was so jaded and that made everybody, it didn't matter. But this was, I was like, I think it was like 27 or something. And I met Cher and she was, she was very, very kind. That's the only thing I remember that she was like, she was helpful.

And I think, I think it was because I was so non-threatening as an individual. She was very kind and very patient and helped the interview happen. But I don't know where that interview is now or where it is, but she was, I just remember being really lovely and gracious. What was that like though in the nineties? That was in the nineties, right? Or late eighties, nineties? Yeah, yeah.

It would be early nineties. So in the nineties, I felt like there was a lot of coolness from the journalists and the TV people, you know, trying to be cool, like cool music people. That's true. So how did that feel from your end being an interviewer back then? Like, I feel like when you were a late night talk show host, you have a sense of humor and you can kind of nudge people and because you have a funny sense of humor, but, but, and you can joke around with them and give them a hard time, but it's, it's, it's

kind, you know, it's kind. You're doing it to be kind and funny. Right. But back then when you're interviewing at people and you're a music person, were you trying to be cool? Like how did that work? Especially when you meet somebody that you're a fan of, like trying to be cool, but also doing your job, but also trying not to be too into anything because you're cool.

Like how did that feel? It's a youth thing. It's funny. I talked to, you know, the film critic, A.O. Scott at the New York Times. So I was talking to him about this because he used to say when he was young, if he saw a bad movie when he was young, he would take it as a personal affront. Like he would get so angry if he saw a bad movie and he looks back on it now and thinks,

what the hell was wrong with me? And I feel a little bit like that about my attitude back then when I was younger that I thought I was so, I don't know, important or I was very, it's not that I was aggressive with anyone because I wasn't, but I think I thought I was cooler than everybody else. And then I think by the time you get to about mid thirties, you realize you're nowhere near as cool as many of the people you talk to.

And then by the time you have your own children, you realize you're not cool at all. And then after that, you're just like, oh, you don't care. It's just, you just don't, it's not, it's not a concern. It's not on your mind. It really isn't. It kind of becomes something else. I think it becomes about, I have a very good friend who has a similar art and a similar job to you.

Do you know Katie Tunstall? Oh yeah. She's great. Right. So Katie and I are very good friends. And I watch Katie sometimes play. And I just love to watch her play. I just love to watch her lose herself in the thing.

And I feel the same way about actors that I enjoy, or actors and musicians, or comediansians or painters even. If you look at a painting and you can kind of forget about who's doing it and just enjoy what it is. I think that's fabulous. I think that the art becomes more important than the artist to me as I get older. It's like just the actual, the sensation of it, particularly now as well, if it's live. Oh yeah.

I'm very analog friendly now. I don't, I keep saying to my kids, put the phone down, put the phone down, put the phone down because let's allow your memory to remember it rather than the phone. Yeah. You know, why would you trust your, the phone will remember it properly, but that's not the best way to remember things sometimes. Maybe it's better to remember them through the haze of, you know, something else, like actual human memory. Yeah.

Rather than. I need a little bit of both though. Cause like I've been recently going through all my old photo albums and finally starting to have them digitized, you know, so that I can easily, Also now, because with social media and connecting with fans, it's a fun and easy way to have things to talk about and share memories. It's fun to say like, oh my gosh, I met Cher,

look at this picture. This is so cool. But at this, and like last night at the Billie Eilish concert, it was stunning. Visually, it was stunning. And also her voice and the Billie Eilish concert, it was stunning, visually it was stunning. And also her voice and the music, even they had so much bass in some of the songs, you could feel your body rattling in this big arena,

and a lot of people had their phones out to try to capture the pictures. And on one hand, I wanted to capture it back, then I was like, why? I did exactly what you said. I just sat and I just took it in. But here, but finally at one point I did take a picture because it was sweet.

It was, she brought her brother, Finneas up for a couple of songs. And it was just so sweet. Like the two siblings and the mom I know was sitting across the arena. And I was like, this is so sweet. I want to remember at all that I was there. Cause I will go through my phone and find photos.

I'm like, oh my gosh, that's right. That happened. Yeah, well, that's true. You're right. But you're right also. I spend the majority of my time either stressed about my kids being on devices, or I get there's a million things that

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It's like, I've worried about my own, you know, kind of adult behavior since, since I was a kid, but now you have to worry about, you know, you know, everything has fentanyl in it Oh, well, that's you know, oh my god Remember when you were a kid, that's the other thing that's strange is like seeing You know my daughter get to an age that I remember I was a person when I was 14 15 I was a person and I'm still really friends with my friends from that age group. We're still really really good friends So if I don't remember something my my friend will tell me like, we still remember conversations we had when we were 14, 15, 16.

Um, it's, do you remember yourself when you were that age? Like, do you remember being a person? I do. I mean, I don't remember it very fondly. Uh, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't the happiest time of my life. My early adult life was not something I look back on with a particular degree of affection. I read your book.

Yeah. You did? Yeah, I did. Now that I'm thinking about it, I did read it. Of course I did. I'm going to read it again. Did you read it? Can I get it on Audible? I did read it. Okay, so now I'm going to listen to you tell me it again. Yeah. Did you read your book? My book?

My book is not out yet. I've got two books that are just music. Are you going to read it? It's short. Hopefully it'll be out and I don't even know if it'll be. It's a kid's book so it'll be short. Will you write an autobiography? I don't know.

I was thinking about it at some point but I'm so private. I don't, you know, I've got siblings. They don't, I don't need to tell their stories but at one point I was thinking about it at some point, but I'm so private. I don't, you know, and I've got siblings. They don't, I don't need to tell their stories, but at one point I was thinking of telling a story through food and eating and, and food, but I don't know. I, it's so hard. That's a pretty nice, like, that's a nice way of doing it because people connect and remember things like that. Yeah.

A good way. I like, if I was doing the autobiography now, I look back on it, weirdly enough, I kind of looked at it fairly recently, the one I wrote when we met on the book tour, which is about 10 years ago or something or more. And I looked at it recently, someone had brought it to a show for me to sign and I kind of looked at a couple of pages and I was like, I don't know if I would put it like that now. I don't know if I would be quite so unguarded about that now because I don't know, I feel like information, you have to be a little more careful about it now. You don't feel it can be, you know, I don't know.

I just don't, especially about other people, I would talk about other people as much. I think that's unfair, you know. I know I wanted to do a TV show or even, well, I guess it would be perfect for a YouTube thing. I had the idea before YouTube was really a thing, but I meet so many really interesting musicians who are in other people's bands, you know, who play in these amazing bands. And I thought, oh, it'd be so cool to have these guys, you know, talk to them and talk to them about their experiences and just, they have crazy stories. But then I was like, but they're not exactly their stories to tell, you know? But I don't know, I don't know how that works.

Like I was reading Barbara Streisand's book. I was listening to it. I've listened to about, I don't know, 15 hours of it. It's like a 40 hour book. And then I realized she was going so in depth on all the movies that she directed or that she had been a part of and I realized I needed to go back and watch some of those movies. If she's gonna go, you know, go that in depth I want to be able to know what she's talking about and also not have a spoiler. But anyway, she talks about people, a lot of people, and you know,

she's like completely honest. Also Henry Winkler, I just read his autobiography. Oh, he's the greatest. I love Henry. And I listened to him. I listened to him. I met him once. I was very excited about that. Oh, he's the nicest, nicest man.

He is what a diamond. I mean, people still say to Henry, hey Fonzie, which is like 50 years ago. And he'll still go, hey, and be nice to hear him tell that story about his I didn't know he was a Juilliard trained actor. You know, I didn't I just liked him. And, you know, he was this guy from Fonzie. He was Fonzie.

He was he was from the happy days. But but yeah, to watch his career, to hear about his ups and downs and and and for him to still have that kindness, but still have an edge. He has an edge. Not like an edgy guy. Like he's not going to be mean to you on an airplane, but like, he's smart though. He's very smart and very, uh, very quick mind and a lovely man. He, I remember when we had to send something over to his house when we were doing late night, we had to send some form over to his house for some firm to sign and we sent a PA over and the PA came back after we'd be over. And he said, Winkler gave me a sandwich. He said, go to the house and his family were all having sandwiches.

And he said, come on in and have a sandwich. And they gave this sandwich next to him. And it's always going to stuck with me. It was like, there's absolutely nothing in it for Henry Winkler to give a PA a sandwich, but they had some sandwiches and they were nice, but I just know it just seemed very nice. I love that. I've always liked Henry.

I always thought he was such a lovely man. But you raise an interesting point with Henry because Henry had a very specific, huge entry into his career when he did the Fonzie and you had that must be 30 years. It was 30 years ago. Yeah. You kept me since that song. Yeah. Really?

1994. Wow. I know. It's easy. But it was a huge kind of, it must have been a huge gear shift for you for being, you know, you're a young girl at that time, you were a young woman. You're what, like early mid twenties and then suddenly that happens. Yeah. It was, you know, it didn't feel, if, on one hand, you're like early mid 20s, and then suddenly that happens. Yeah.

It was, you know, it didn't feel, on one hand it felt like a big change because it was, I mean having a song on the radio, you hear your, you know, hearing your music come through the radio with those DJs, you know, with the compression on their voice, like Lisa Lowe, blah, blah, blah. And also being in the context of other people you think of as being pop stars, you know, Mariah Carey and I don't know, I always think of Mariah Carey. And I was a singer songwriter in New York with a band

and we'd play, but I don't know if you had the same thing, but I had been working on it for so long. You know, I felt like I had been writing songs since I was a little kid. I'd been writing like real songs since I was in eighth grade or ninth grade, and then I started writing on guitar, and I'd play my songs in assembly.

Then my friend and I had that band in college, my friend Liz Mitchell. We had a great following and we recorded our music, and there were some record companies getting interested in college. It was step by step by step, you know, going along to get to the place where the song ended up on the radio. In retrospect, it was a huge thing. In retrospect, like the fact that Ethan Hawke,

you know, passed the song along and they actually put it in the movie, you know. That's rare when things actually happen. I know. And then it actually got played on the radio. And then we actually made a music video and it actually became popular. And that it's amazing. You still enjoy playing it? Yeah, I do. I mean, I there's a lot of other songs like that.

It's funny. I went on tour. I did a few weeks with Lyle Lovett recently, like in May. And and we did the thing where we both sit on stage and we talk and we hang out and then we play music. Kind of like if we both just took a guitar out and started playing a song. Right. But one of the shows, and you never had a set list, he'd play a song and talk and we talk and I'd play a song.

And I had a list of songs that I wanted to remember to play because I'll just forget some, I don't know, I need some reminders. I got a call from the promoter the next day saying that they were disappointed I hadn't played my song, Stay. I played like nine songs that night. I totally forgot, like there's so many other songs that I could play. But I do love playing it because people want to hear it. I don't dislike it, I like it.

And it definitely is a regular kind of one of my songs. It's not some people get hit songs that are really outside of what they want to play. And they're like, Oh, I can't believe I have to play that song. I don't mind playing it. I like it. And because now it has so much history attached to it and people have a really nostalgic feeling about it. I enjoy playing it. That's really, it's amazing to be in that circle of me singing, a ton of people singing with me on that song. But it's not like my favorite song to sing, but I'm also happy to do it. I think also though it's a sign of maturity in an artist when you make peace with early success. You know, I remember, you know, circling back to, you know, what I told you when I worked with Mick Jagger years ago, but you know, they were singing, you know, uh,

sympathy for the devil and satisfaction. And these songs were, you know, 30 years old at that point, you know, and, and I said, do you ever get sick of playing the money? He went, no, because you, when, when you go out, it, you know, it, it's magical. It's, I'm, I'm happy that it, that it has become part of, you know, everything we did. And, and I, I kind of loved that. He said, but there was a time when I didn't want to sing it, you know? And I think that that's, you, you feel like you have to escape who you were before so that

you don't get caught. Right. You know, but I think that then you realize you're not caught. It's just who you were then and who you were then as part of who you are now. And it's- Yeah. You have to do it all basically because you have to feed your own soul and feed yourself. Of course.

It's funny, I was talking to, I was at this event yesterday for an organization called Best Buddies and Nikki Sixx from Motley Crue was there, we were talking. Of course, yeah. And I was like, oh, I gotta get back together with this guy. I'd met him before, but we had a really nice conversation and part of it was about this kind of thing, you know, about writing music and how hard it is and how writing songs and lyrics and music, it's so hard, but we still love doing it and continuing to try to get better at it.

And how funny it is, how much pressure you put on yourself to like write new songs. But when you go play these concerts, people just want to hear what they know. You know, even as musicians ourselves were like, oh, no, you know, don't play a news song. Oh God. Like people are getting, you're most excited as musician

to play those songs and then the audience is going to get beer. And so you have to be really tricky the way you put the songs in. And on one hand, it's kind of like a backup plan, like worst case scenario, I play all the songs that people already know, even though it's like from 25, 30 years ago,, I play all the songs that people already know, even though it's like from 25, 30 years ago, or even some of the songs I wrote in the 80s, and I put them on my records and people still want to hear them. And that's, that's fine. I want to

know that I am the same way with a lot of my favorite artists. So I just, I appreciate that. But then also you're like, but I also want to play some of these new songs and hopefully you'll like them too. But you know, it's an interesting cause it's kind of the polar opposite of what you've experienced as a standup comedian. I really, I really wish I could do that joke again, cause now I could do much better and I know how to like, no, you can't. I have a question about that. Well now, especially with cell phones, it's such a drag.

Like I, again, talking about Lyle Levovett, I opened for him 25 years ago, and I saw him tell these stories, and I realized what a craft that was. And it's, and I had this thing in my head, like, I can never say the same thing. I can never set up a song the same way. Everything always has to be different. And I remember Dweezil Zappa would say, his dad never played the same show and all the solos were different. And I thought, I don't solo in my music,

I just play songs, but my soloing is my talking, like my banter and it's not gonna be different. But then I started realizing to create a story is so fun. But then when you see the same people right in the audience and you finally figured out how to ride the audience in the waves of the story and embellish it or whatever and there's the same people right in front or they videotape it. You're like, ah, like how do you deal with that as a comedian?

I think you can't tell. People want to hear that story. They want to hear that. You can tell this. I feel like you can tell the same story until it's been televised, until it's on a special or until it's on the internet, then you can't do it again. And that's what I, that's my personal belief about it is that once I've told it and it's been out there, which is annoying because it's almost like if you recorded the song,

then you can never play it live. It's terrible because you get there and you get to that place where you're like saying something that's just off the cuff, but it's not, ah, but it's so good. And that's, that's, that's what's so frustrating about it. Cause I look at material that I did as a standup pen 50, 20 years ago and go, you know, I could really make that work a lot better now. That was actually a very good idea, but I didn't do it properly and I would like to do it properly now, but you kind of can't because people know what's

coming and that ruins what it is. It takes the melody away if they understand what it is. Just do it for people like over 55. They will not remember. They won't remember. People have like, yeah. I say this all the time because I keep thinking of this as the example, but like I had met Barry Manilow at an event and I was so excited and I got my picture taken with him and I love the song Mandy and I just gushed

and I was so excited and then I was going through my photo albums a couple months later and there I was the first time I met Barry Manilow for the first time in another photo from You know 15 years ago. I had no Recollection and it was important to me You know, it's weird. I have something very similar. I had this thing do you ever seen the documentary becoming Spock? It's about Leonard Nimoy.

I should because I love Leonard Nimoy. Yeah He was a beautiful documentary. I should because I love Leonard Nimoy. Yeah. It was a beautiful documentary. I don't remember. Yeah. Well, I watched it. It was made by his son, I think. It's a beautiful documentary. Yeah, I feel like I saw it in a screening even.

I don't know. Oh, it's a gorgeous film, but I watched it. And then afterwards I said to my wife, gosh, what a lovely man. I really wish I'd had him on the late night show. And we looked it up and he was on twice. Oh my God. I was like, how could that be a thing?

I know. That's why it's good to have friends around. I know my friend Amy is like, remember that time we were in that limo with Adam Sandler. He gave us a ride and I was like, what? Tell me about that. What happened then? He said, yeah, I remember Paul Rudd was talking to you. I'm like, he was? What did he say? Like, what happened? But that's the weirdest, especially when I look at like late night,

I was like 10 years I did that show and people will like, I'll see footage from that. I'm like, I have zero recollection of that conversation or even that evening And I'm right there and it's it's me talking and I'm like, I honestly don't remember it. You know, it's it's a little weird Yeah, I do an interview site. I have a radio show a daily radio show on Sirius XM Nine nine and one of the things I added to it was called where they are now And it's an interview segment where I talk to people who you might know from the 90s but they're still doing things today. And I was inspired by Spinal Tap,

you know, when they're all sitting around the radio. Yeah. And their old song comes on the radio. It might be like, Give Me Some Money or Cups and Cakes or something. And they're all sitting around and they're all like enjoying it because they're on tour. It's so cool to hear their old song and the DJ comes on and from the, Where Are They Now files, like, I wonder if they're still alive, you know, tour. So cool to hear their old song and the DJ comes on and from the where are they now files like I wonder if they're still alive you know and they're just like on a tour promoting

a current project and that's that that happens you know when you travel you might sit next to somebody they're like oh so are you still didn't you used to be a musician you're like something like you're checking into a hotel and your name is on the marquee across the street and then the young gal's like didn't you used to be a like you're checking into a hotel and your name is on the marquee across the street. And then the young gal's like, didn't you used to be a musician? You're like, yeah, I still am. All the time. And there's my name right there over on the marquee, right?

Like I'm going with my guitar, you're at the airport. I'm going with my guitar to, you know, Wisconsin because I'm playing a show there. They're like, oh, that's so great. Good luck with that. But anyway, so I started a radio show thing called Where They Are Now, which is a take

on Where Are They Now. Because it's a kinder way of saying, yes, I know you're from a certain material from the 90s probably. But same, we play some reruns and they're like, yeah, this week you're rerunning your interview with so and so. And I'm like, did I talk to, I got to talk to boys to men. That's so cool. And it's right there in the hard drive. I had a great conversation with them. No recollection. I researched them for hours.

That's exactly what's going to happen to us now because we're done. I'm not gonna remember speaking. I'll see you, I'll be like, didn't I see you eating fudge at the airport in Colorado? Denver, famous for its fudge in the airport. Lisa, it's a delight to see you. I'm sorry that it's been so long and very good luck with the children's book. Thank you, I hope it comes out. Yeah, I hope it comes out. I have a feeling it'll work out fine. Yeah. You're delightful and please keep doing what you're doing. Thanks

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