Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Natalie Cuomo

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Meet Natalie Cuomo, born and raised in Queens, NY, Natalie was named one of New York Comedy Festival's "Comics To Watch" in 2023 and has been featured in Time Out NY, LA Times, New York Magazine, Inked Magazine, and Metal Injection. She hosts her own podcast called Help! With Natalie Cuomo.  She is also currently on tour, check out her full list of dates here. Listen to Natalie and Craig discuss all things comedy and life. EnJOY! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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should at least know it's happening. And it is. The tour kicks off late September and goes through the end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at thecraigfergussonshow.com slash tour. They're available at thecraigfergussonshow.com slash tour or at your local outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. My guest today is cool and young, which makes me ask the question, what is she doing here talking to me? But she is. She's very interesting and funny. Natalie Cuomo. Why were there maggots in his ass? There was some weird, weird maggot infection

in his ass, in her ass. And I was like, oh my God. And I, the vet said, no, it's quite serious. So you have to like, let's get him out now and then bring around. And I'm like, you have to do it yourself. Apparently. Uh, you know, now I'm a millionaire. I have, but apparently, yeah, you, it was quite a rare thing, but I was pulling

these little maggots out of my dog's ass. It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever done in my life. And I've done some pretty disgusting things. No, me too. And, and. I can say I've never pulled maggots out of a. I'd say, yeah. You say, yeah.

Behind. Yeah. Like if you brush your dog's teeth, I'm guessing you love your dog, right? I love him. Yeah. All right. So you love your dog. Yeah.

And then suddenly you get the diagnosis. I'm afraid your dog has maggot ass. I'm in there. It's good to talk about, get the MAGA ass conversation out in the first place because I am interested in like quite a lot on this podcast. We get young comedians on. I'm not, I hope it's not patronizing to call you a young comedian, but you are younger and you are a comedian.

And I'm fascinated by it because the route that you guys take, the route that you guys take seems very different to what I did back in the day. Because I don't know if you know this about me, I am an old comedian and it's a very different thing. Like, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. But you like start out wanting to be a comedian. Yeah, of course.

See, I didn't want to do that. I just, I just like, What did you want to do? I just, I don't know, stay out of jail. So it's like, like to me, being a like... What did you want to do? I just, I don't know, stay out of jail. It's like, like to me, being a comedian is like being a realtor or something. Yeah, to be fair, I did want to be an actor for most of my life. Okay.

Kind of failed at that. Right, so you failed at something, that's good. So now you're on your way to being a comedian. Yeah, yeah. And then I was like, alright, now it's time to do comedy. But wait, how can you fail at being an actor? Are you even 30 yet? I'm 29. Okay, so that's not failing yet. You know, I mean, that's like, you didn't, you weren't up for it. Like, did you do auditions and stuff?

I think what I mean by failing is I gave up on myself. Oh, that's good. Now, now the darkness begins to emerge. Made one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the specter begins to emerge from the fog. Because I, my feeling is the most well-adjusted, nice people I've met in show business, I've met everybody, are the people that make dark shit.

Yeah. Like Quentin Tarantino, Stephen King, so nice, so upbeat, so kind of, yeah, hey, how you doing? No, don't worry, I'll get it. The darkest, nastiest people, actually the nastiest people are the ones who make romantic comedies. They're like the worst. Like if anybody says I want to write and direct romantic comedies, run. Red flag. Yeah, it is a red flag to me, I'm afraid. But do you want to write and direct romantic comedies, run. Red flag. Yeah, it is a red flag to me, I'm afraid. But do you want to do that?

Romantic comedies? Yeah. No, no. What did you want to do when you were an actress then, or when you were acting? I just wanted to be like in like a drama, being just like the emotional teenage girl that I was. That's all right. So what were you watching? Were you watching like, let's see, if you're 29, I guess, what were the things you'd be watching as a kid?

Like- So if I'm being completely honest, like I grew up, this is an unexpected twist. I grew up a hardcore musical theater kid. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I don't think that the, I don't think the dust is, I don't think the game is over with musical theater. Yeah, the game's over with musical theater. I don't think that the I don't think the dust is I don't think the game is over with musical Yeah, the game's over with musical. I don't know

I don't know at what point is the game over with musical theater like if somebody comes to you and go, okay Look, we're recasting Hamilton. We're doing Hamilton against an all-female cast and we want you to be George Washington No, actually do what this is a great idea me George Washington. I know Actually, do you know what? This is a great idea. Me, George Washington? I know Female Hamilton. I think that's awesome. Yeah, I do think that's cool. I just think that, I don't know, I feel like I didn't find my voice until I started doing comedy

because the confidence I gained from failing so much in comedy is what made me the person that I am. It's a failure-based thing, isn't it? That's interesting. When did you first do your... Did you do it like an open mic or something? Yes, I... It's so funny. The first open mic I went to was canceled. Like, so I walked to another one that day.

That was canceled, so I had to go to the third one that day. That's good. Rule of three. Good joke. Yes. Right? Okay. And I went to that one. I talked so fast. It was horrible, but then I went to that one. I talked so fast. It was horrible. But then I went every day since.

And did the audience react poorly? Were they or were they just quiet? I kind of the first one, I kind of blacked out. Like I just talked really fast, got off stage and was like, I did it. Yeah. But that's the thing I think that is about that about being a real comedian is that when you fail, like a normal person would say, well, that was so horrible.

I never want to do that again. But when you die as a comedian, you're like, all right, well, that wasn't what I planned, but I'll do it again. And your immediate thing is to go back and do it again. What's your background like then? What were you, you grew up in Queens? Yeah. All right, so you're a musical theater kid?

So you're like doing Annie and stuff in high school, that kind of thing? So up until like middle school, high school, I was pretty much bullied out of liking musical theater. I can't imagine you being bullied. You seem like you're on your game. Well, it happened. All right. Okay.

I believe you. And then I just got really into like the environment. I thought I was going to be a farmer. I went to college for... In Queens? Yeah. I did like this thing. It's called like gorilla gardening where you find kind of abandoned like plots.

Gorillas? All right. We have plots. It's, yeah, plots, yeah. So it's not like you go, that gorilla can help me, I'll put a hat on that gorilla and a bib and overalls and it will help me. And it will be my boyfriend.

Okay, that's all right, too. Do you have a, you married? I am married, yes. All right, so how long you been married? Two weeks. Shut up, congratulations. Thank you. That? Two weeks. Shut up! Congratulations! Thank you. That's lovely. Shouldn't you be on your honeymoon or something?

We went away for like a week. Okay. Is your husband in show business? Yes. Does he do comedy? Yeah. Okay. How's that? You guys write together and stuff? We do. I think the only struggle is like, I'll tell him a joke idea that I think is really good. And he'll be like, no, that's not good.

And I'll be like, no, it is good. Yeah. He'll be like, I can't let you do that. Did you meet him in the comedy world? Like, did you see him as a standup before you, before you, like, you started going out? Yeah, we actually met, like, I was taping my special and the host canceled on me last minute, like that day.

And he was my friend. And I was like, I'm so mad at this girl. She canceled on hosting. He's like, is there anything I could do? I'm like, you could host the show. And then we got together that night. Oh, nice. So you have a, I don't understand how that works.

Like you have a host for your special. What does that mean? Cause I've done a, I've never had a host on any special. I've done it. Yeah. I don't know what it means. No one does time up top? Oh, fuck no, no, I don't do that.

Like I used to have. You do the whole, you don't, you warm them up. You do the whole thing. Yeah. Okay. Well you're more of a badass. I don't know what to say. No, no, I'm cheap.

It's what it is. Like I'll go out and say to the audience, I know you're probably expecting a warmup, but what I thought I'd do is just suck for the first 10 minutes and charge myself a thousand dollars. And, but I kind of like, I didn't used to do it. I used to have, I see what you mean now, right? But I didn't used to do that. I used to do the other way.

So he kind of opened for you. Yeah. That's, that's kind of an interesting power dynamic going on. You're like, okay, you open for me. And then you're like, hey, you want to go out? And then now you're married and he's telling you your jokes suck. No, it's great.

We tore together, which is fun. So. That's great. You know what? That's the way to save, you know, or keep the love alive. Yeah. Because, you know, if you're a comic, you're going to be on the road.

Yes. We, so we both, like, we, we tour together and then at the end, we'll, like, go on stage together, which is fun. Oh, nice. So, can you do things like a joke from your perspective something happened, and then he can do it in his set, a joke from his perception, the same thing happened. And then you can like argue about it in the end. Yeah, we'll argue. Yeah, that's great. I think, I think this sounds like a great show. Yeah.

And so you doing clubs or are you, I guess younger comedians now, everything's about social media, right? Like that's the way up now. Do you have, do you have all that? The Instacart and shit? Instacart for sure. Yeah. Uber Eats. You have Uber Eats. You gotta have that.

Instagram. And Tickety Talk. You got the Tickety Talk? And do you make them? You make original content for Tickety Talk. With your husband? Well, it's more like I will just post my stand-up clips on there. And then I'll also make some content, but we don't really post content together.

Okay. Because somebody is going to come at you and say, do you guys want to do a sitcom? That's how it would go. And they'll be like, you guys are married in real life, and your stand-ups, this is a sitcom. That would be nice. It's a 1980s sitcom.

But yeah. You'd have to be like stand-ups and detectives. Are you? You could maybe do that. I think so. Like you could be detectives and stand-ups together. Yeah. And then like solve crimes and then at the end you do jokes about it.

Okay, I like that. Yeah, and you know it's working for me. I think it's good. So anyway, you come up in Queens. Yeah. What are your family? Are your family in show business? No, no, no, no. So what were your family do?

My dad was an English teacher. Okay. And my mom was a landscape architect and now she's a dog trainer. Dog trainer? Mm-hmm. Like for a circus or just like regular dogs? Just for fun.

Like not like. Kind of like her retirement project. Okay. Yeah. And I think if your dad's an English teacher, that's kind of been in show. I always think teachers is kind of like being a stand up. Like you've got to go in front of a hostile audience every day, try to get them to listen to you.

It's like the early days as a stand up, I think. I definitely think he likes performing. Yeah. Do you like it? Of course you enjoy it. But when did you know that you enjoyed it? Performing in general? I really truly feel like since I was a kid, well when I was a kid I was afraid of everything.

I was afraid of the auditorium in school. My mom signed me up for an acting class to get me over my fear of the auditorium. But you were just frightened of the actual room? Of like so many people being in there at once. Just going in for every day. Where did that come from, do you think? I'm just overly sensitive. Are you a very anxious person?

Yes. It's interesting. You know, so many stand-ups are anxious. Yes. And then the weird thing is you choose such a crazy high-pressure career. Yeah. Why do you think that is? Why do we seek comfort in something that most normal people would find very frightening?

In my opinion, it's because being on stage is the only moment where I'm forced to be present. It's the only time where I can't be in my head overthinking every single situation, because I have to be present. Okay. Have you ever done a show where you're like, it's a bit early, how long you been doing this? Um, like seven years. You're right. So I've always had this idea that stand up is a 10 year apprenticeship.

Yeah. Yeah. And that I have done shows now when I'm going out and I'm like, especially if I've done the routine a lot, like I'm, you know, I go out on behalf of the show and I'm thinking, you know, I should probably get the car fixed. That oil life is now like 15%. And I'm doing you know, I go out on behalf of the show, I'm thinking, you know, I should probably get the car fixed. That oil life is now like 15%. And I'm doing material that it's working. And I'm thinking about other stuff. Oh, you're on autopilot.

Kind of a little bit. And I try not to do that because I think you're probably not doing a good show. So I break my, I bust myself on it, but I've done it before. But I totally understand it. Do you ever do that thing where you write on stage? Yeah. Yeah, that's great, isn't it? Yeah.

And you get in that zone and you're kind of like, where did that come from? I don't know where that came from. And you get off stage, you're like, what was? Like you just like re-listen and write it down. Do you tape every show? Yes. Yeah, you got it.

That's one of the things that I think is so great about the technology. Now the bad thing is you guys are giving away material all the time. Like young people are, Like Don Rickles, who is like, I guess, I don't know, 40 years older than me. Rickles? He'd had one routine his entire career. I know. Is that crazy?

The thing that really bothers me is that people think that... People really think that every time they see a stand-up comedian, it's going to be different. Every night they're doing something different. Even though, classically, people should be working on the same jokes for years because that's how you develop the jokes, develop the confidence in the jokes, find new tags. But that is also sort of the nature of the game of selling tickets and putting things out online.

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and I imagine there's probably some, crowd work is when you come out to a club, and everyone's there, and you go, "'Hi, where are you from?' The guy says, "'I'm from Queens.'" And you go, "'Ah, yeah, I can tell "'cause, I'm from Queens. And you go, ah, yeah, I can tell because your hat or whatever. And then you start busting the guy

for having a hat from Queens or, or somebody's from Brazil. And you start asking about coffee or whatever you do. You kind of riff on whatever information that person gives you. Yeah. And a lot of comedians do it, right? Yeah.

I think it's tricky that stuff. Cause I don't like it it because when I started, there was a lot of hecklers. And I feel like if you start talking to the audience, they might start talking to you. Yeah. You know, are you okay with crowd work? Do you do a lot of it? I do crowd work.

I think sometimes doing crowd work grounds me in the moment. Like if I start to find myself being on autopilot, I'll do a little bit of crowd work just to like ground myself back in the room and in the people that I'm with. Right. Once you're on stage and once you've established your position, I think that's right. That's when I would do it. Like I riff fine with the audience, but I have to establish in the first five minutes, I'm fucking driving, daddy's talking into the big make your voice loud machine.

And then when I say, you know, you get to come to the table, but not until then. And I think that I've seen guys in clubs who just open with crowd work and I think you're asking for trouble. You're basically letting the audience too close too soon. Do you know what I mean? It's like you don't want to do that. Who are the comedians you look up to? Who are the people that you were like,

oh, I want to be like her or him or them? Well, Sarah Silverman, Do It Hell. I always... Do It Hell is a genius. I love Do It Hell. I love Do It Hell. Yeah. He's like, oh my God.

Have you heard Skanks for the Memories? Of course, yeah. The first time I heard that album, I was listening to it in a car, I had to pull off the road. I definitely missed an exit listening to that. Oh my god. When he talks about his little friend. Oh man. I always think, did you ever see when David Tell and Jeff Ross were doing that bumping mic thing? I always thought that was like going to see like the Velvet Underground or something. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

It's like they were kind of like, not a lot of people knew about it, but the ones that knew about it were like, oh my god, this is changing the game. Totally. Yeah. So where did you first see those guys? Because they're like, Sarah's very, well actually they used to go out together David telling serious. Oh really? Yeah, they were they dated for you. What do you know? I I guess I didn't know that yeah well, you were probably in school when they were doing that but

Yeah, they went out for a long time. I think but they're very they're both quite kind of edgy underground vibe, particularly Dave. Like they're kind of like, you got to kind of be on the inside a little bit. You got to be kind of cool to... That's me. Just kidding. Well, you kind of are a little bit. I mean, you kind of come off like that. Like, you know, you're wearing black clothing. You've got a lot of ink, which is, I approve of that.

Thank you. But I'm also wearing dark clothing, but light pants because I'm over 60 years old now and you have to wear light pants. You have to wear light pants. You have to wear light pants so that people can find you if you wander off on your own. Where's grandpa go? I'm over here. I'm wearing light pants.

But I wasn't cool when I, I mean I'm cool now, but I was- No, you're very cool. I'm very cool now, but I wasn't cool when I was young. But you seem quite cool. And I have met comedians who are cool. Like Dave actually, David Tell's kind of cool. Yeah. He's certainly cool now.

He's really cool. And Sarah was always cool. Yeah. She was always like very kind of shockingly beautiful and cool and yet very funny, which is kind of like a heady mix. Do you ever see Joan Rivers? Yeah. I always loved Joan Rivers, but I guess that's kind of a little in the before times maybe.

Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like there's definitely a certain era of stand-up comedians whose albums I would just like listen to on Spotify. Okay. And, um, I don't know. I just like got really into listening to it all the time. I feel like even though it is a visual format, I really prefer listening to it than watching it if it's not live. Yeah, I would agree with you. I don't know that I I don't know if it is that visual a form. I guess it is.

Like with specials nowadays and stuff. Yeah, I don't know about that, though. I mean, there's a lot of people doing specials. I'm like, I don't fucking care about this guy. I mean, some specials are great.

Some of them are great. And some of the young comedians are very exciting and very different. There's a little bit of hating on people, bro type comedians. I'm like, you know that I feel like we've covered this. Right. I'm not against that as a style of comedy.

I just think it's kind of oversubscribed. And there's some very good people doing it. But you know, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Does, ah, Am I communicating? Of course, yeah. Like, ah. So, do you have rules for yourself about your world?

Because you're a younger generation comic, so you've got all the rules that you have to follow about pronouns and gender identities and racial manners and all that stuff that older comedians complain about but actually don't really, you know... They complain about being restricted by it, but actually while they're enjoying their Netflix special. You know what I mean? It's like, wait, nobody's telling you to not say this. You made that up. Do you feel like the world is trickier?

Is it tricky for a stand-up comic? Do you have to watch out? Is there danger in subjects you think, I probably shouldn't talk about that? It's weird because I don't feel inclined to talk about those things just because they're not my experience. Like those are not the things that are coming up for me

that I'm like, I really want to write a joke about race. Because that's just not, I'm not at that point in my career where I want to really be writing about that. I want to be writing about my experiences. What are your experiences then? I don't know. I definitely, I try a lot. I write a lot about like trying to make mental health funny in a way. I'm really trying. Sometimes I feel like I'm pushing it a little too much. Like people

don't really come to a comedy show to hear about me talk about therapy. But- I think that's fair. Look, people talk about therapy all the time. Are you in therapy? Oh, yeah. Ah, what are you talking about in therapy? about therapy all the time. Are you in therapy? Oh, yeah. Ah, what are you talking about in therapy? Imagine I'm your therapist. Do you want me to put on a German accent? I feel like it helps sometimes. So listen, tell me, since Natalie, you are coming here today

and I feel that you are feeling sensitive and a little guarded. Yeah. Why are you a little guarded? Do you feel under threat in any way? No, no, I don't feel that way. All right, are you just little guarded? Do you feel under threat in any way? No, no, I don't feel that way. All right. Are you just shy? I'm shy, yeah. Most comedians I know are quite shy. You know, it's funny because, you know, when I was a kid and I couldn't sleep, I would go into my dad's room and watch your show. Shut up! Really? Yeah, that was like,

we would watch either your show or Celebrity Poker. Oh, Celebrity Poker is the way to go. watch either your show or celebrity poker. Oh, celebrity poker is the way to go. Well, see that now, here's the thing that's weird. And when I was doing the late night show, I would meet people that were, that I'd seen on TV a lot and it would kind of freak me out a little bit. Are you there right now? A little bit.

I understand that. I get it. Like when I first, when you first start meeting famous people, did you get a little, your heart would beat a little faster and stuff? I would get like that. A little bit, yeah. I would get like a little adrenal, like, oh my God, it's Holly Shore. You know, it's like, oh, but then after time you get jaded. Are you jaded yet? You're probably...

I don't know. I honestly, it's funny, I almost didn't get into acting school because I told them I don't like movies. I'm very particular with the things that I actually't know. I honestly, it's funny, I almost didn't get into acting school because I told them I don't like movies. I'm very particular with the things that I actually have seen. So I feel like I'll meet famous people and I'm like, I haven't seen your stuff, so I really don't care. But when I've seen their stuff, then I'm like, whoa! Yes, I understand that as well because if you haven't seen the stuff, then they're not famous to you. The only thing is, what I noticed sometimes is when you get famous is that people will come up to you and say, I don't know who you are.

And I'm like, well, why the fuck are you coming to talk to me then? I don't walk up to people I don't know and tell them I don't know who they are. That's most people. I'd be there all day. And anyway, if you didn't know who I was, then why the fuck are you coming up and talking to me? So valid. Yeah. But I think it's kind of a power thing.

It's like reclaiming the equilibrium. Yeah. You know, to say to a famous person, I don't know you, you are, so that you're not better than me. We're not starting off there. Yeah. And I think what helped me with that is that I met so many famous people that I admired and stuff when I was doing Late Night, that I kind of forgot.

I forgot about them being famous. And it was just like, what I did do once is, do you ever watch Game of Thrones? No. All right. So in Game of Thrones, there was a guy who played Jamie Lannister, super handsome actor and like really good actor. At Comic Con, I was introduced in the Game of Thrones people and it was a big thing and all that.

We were backstage. I had never met this guy in my life, but I forgot and I hugged him. I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Anyway, it's all right. It actually happens more than you would think. People just because they feel like they know them. Yeah. Also, he's still handsome. You want to hug him. Oh my God, he's alright, it actually happens more than you would think. Oh, people just, because they feel like they know them. Yeah, and also he's so handsome. You want to hug him.

Oh my god, he was so handsome. I was like, I gotta hug you, you're so handsome. But I don't hug everybody who's handsome, but it just only happened once. And he was nice about it. I've hugged a few handsome people. Well, I've hugged a few handsome people myself too, but usually it's not the first thing I do. Yes, yeah.

So do you get intimidated by... Who would you get intimidated by if you were like working in a club and there was a drop-in comedian coming in? Who would be like, you'd be like, oh my God, I don't want to go on after that. That'd be too much. Hmm, it's weird. I don't know, let me think.

I feel like Nikki Glaser is the, I really love that. Oh, really? She's actually the first comedian I saw live. I feel like Nikki Glaser is the... I really loved that. Oh, really? She's actually the first comedian I saw live. I know Nikki very well. Yeah. Yeah. She's really great. Yeah.

That's good. I'm glad to hear you say that. I used to worry about Nikki when she was younger in her career because she would be so brutally honest about things. I'd be like, Nikki, don't tell people that. I love that though. Nicky, don't tell people that. I love that though. That's like, that's what I believe in is always just like, that's what I feel like if you can just be like completely fearless and like not give a, truly not give a fuck.

That's when you can really be yourself and accept that people might actually love you for you. They might, but they might not. But if they don't then oh well. Fuck them. Well, it is true might not. But if they don't, then oh well. Fuck them. Well, it is true. You're not gonna make everyone happy. But I remember that with Nikki.

Do you remember Tomas when Nikki used to come in and we would always say, like Nikki, you're saying things. People are knowing too much about you. She's like, I don't give a fuck. So I'm very excited to hear you say that because I've always really liked her and she's doing really well now as well. Yes, I had this moment one time where like, so I messaged her in 2017 being like, I love

you. Yeah. And then I just remember once she talked about me on her podcast briefly, something about tattoos like a year ago and I was like, this is a full circle moment. Yeah, that's great. You've got a lot of tattoos. When did you start getting inked? Um, I actually used to tattoo myself when I was like in high school with

like a little needle and pencil and stuff. And then I got a real one when I was 18. Uh, wait, you, you tattooed yourself? Yeah. Do you, what did your parents make of this? Well, my parents didn't know this. So where did you tattoo yourself? Um, like my feet.

Okay. I guess they're still there. They are, unfortunately. What are they? What did you tattoo yourself with? Left and right? So no, that would be helpful. Yeah. Um, no, I, I, my best friend and I, we tattooed each other's initials to each other. Okay. We don't talk anymore.

Really? Unfortunately, yeah. But you know what, I love that about tattoos. I always loved that, you know, Johnny Depp's tattoo when he had Winona forever. Yeah. And they broke up and he's just got Wino forever now. He had it changed.

I was like, yeah, that's cool, I guess. But I think part of the deal with having tattoos, you were fascinated by it young then. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Why? Everyone's a little different with tattoos, so I'm kind of intrigued. I don't know, it's so weird.

There's a few elements of it. I just feel like it just like made me feel like me. Like I really liked that swarm of self-expression. And I mean, I think when I was younger, it made me feel like a rebel kind of doing it myself. Yes, it has got a little bit of that about it. Especially like being in my room secretly doing it. And I think as I got older, I think it felt like a form of self-expression.

I really always felt like I never fit in and I just felt like tattoos were like my external expression of that. I think it's a way of Billy Connolly, who's my Nikki Glaser, told a great story. When he turned 50, which was a long time ago, when he turned 50, he got his nipples pierced. I mean, he's got a couple of tattoos as well, but he got his nipples pierced in a tattoo parlor. And when the guy did it, the first one,

he said it was excruciatingly painful. But when he got it, the guy who did it said, well, that's one less of them, one more of us. And I was like, that's kind of what it feels like. Do you know what I mean? It's like you kind of move into a different area. It's not like I feel an affinity with everyone who had tattoos.

I don't, you know, but it does feel more like, I know what you mean when you say more like me. Like when I see, still see parts of my body that don't have tattoos on them, and I'm like, that doesn't look right. I think one thing that I told my therapist, and we're going to go back to this, it links into tattoos, is so like, you know, being online, you get a million negative comments, right? All the time. And one comment that I get consistently is like, how much people hate my tattoos.

But that's never once faced me. It's never once maybe be like, oh, do these suck? And I feel like I, I said this to my therapist recently. I was like, I want to feel that confident about every other element in my life. People say shitty things about me. And I want to feel the same way as when they're like, your tattoos suck and it just doesn't face me.

This is interesting to me because the comments thing is I think of the internet, this is generational, I'm sure, but I think of the internet as kind of like the audience, like, so why would I pay attention to one fucking heckler? I'm busy, I'm fucking busy and I'm not talking to you. So get out. And looking at the comments, I feel is like, you know, we were talking earlier about inviting crowd work. I'm like, why would I invite you into my fucking life? You know, it's different if you're at a show and you're talking to someone afterwards,

you're talking to someone who likes your work or wants to talk to you about your work. That's fine and cool and you should do that. And it's polite and cool and you should do that and it's polite and nice and fun. But to invite judgment from strangers, I don't know. Like, because my kids do that too. They look at the comments section. I'm like, what? The masochistic tendency. I think it is a little bit. It's like narcissism in reverse. It's like at least we are talking about me Yeah, you know like well, let's maybe not talk about you

Yeah, do you pour over the comments a little bit or do you try and? Protect yourself from them because you said like people say negative stuff about your tattoo Oh, I definitely will pour over a lot like there's certain I Feel like it depends on the app like certain apps, I just won't even look at the comments, but certain apps, like I use more. I'll like look at the comments a little bit, but I definitely try to ignore them. Which ones are which?

I feel like Instagram, it's more like sometimes people will like comics communicate on there. Like I'll buff people on my show through that sometimes. It's a little more collegial. It feels more like I'm talking to my peers sometimes. So sometimes I will look at the comments. My peers will comment on things versus like Facebook, YouTube, TikTok. I don't really look at the comments.

Right. It's funny because I think maybe it's a vestige because I think I was like maybe one of the last people who really worked in broadcast television before it all kind of collapsed and became something else. And people used to write letters before. That's nice. It was like, or they would call up the switchboard to complain about things. So I'd go out and I'd do, I don't know, a Bill Clinton impersonation.

And like 50 people would call up and say, we hate that you did that impression. They know whatever. Very few people ever called to say that was great. I loved it. Because nobody does that. You don't say, let me call the TV station because I really like that guy. You know, they watch it, they buy the product, advertise, that's all I ask. But when people would call up and I would get concerned about it and I would talk to

the, particularly the producer I had, who was a genius and was kind of a legend in late night television and he would say, fuck him, why would you care? Why would you care? And I kind of that seeped in to me and now I'm like, people are like, you suck! And I'm like, okay, I don't fucking care what you think. Why would I care what you think? But I think the social aspect of social media, it's kind of the crowd work thing. You're inviting that man. That's true. Has there ever been a point where you think it's affected your work?

Yes, I definitely, I definitely used to do like a little bit more crowd work. I felt like I got in my head about doing crowd work because I do feel like I'm, I'm good at it when I'm like present. And then I kind of got in my head about it and I was like, I need to be so, I wanted to be so strict on just having material because of that. Then I went on the road and I was like, oh my God, I'm just doing material. And I feel like some people actually do want to see my crowd work. And so then I went into just trying to like do like nice, fair mix of both. But I feel like that got into my head a little bit at a point.

I think that that is understandable. There is a, you know the actress Uta Lemper? Uta Lemper is like a stage legend, a great actress in the musical theater world, actually. Sure. Don't worry about it. And Uta Lampar said something about performance, which I think is so perfect for stand-up that I always kind of quote it, which is, your job is to create the illusion of spontaneity.

And I'm like, yeah, like you don't go and see a magician and say, you just practiced that in your room and then did it. Yeah. You go and you ask for a little bit of suspension of disabilities from the audience and you perform. And I think sometimes particularly rookies or people who shouldn't really be standups, but it's kind of like a job now. They go out and they think that it's not performance. It's just like being cool and saying things and going, no motherfucker, it's kind of like a job now. They go out and they think that it's not performance,

it's just like being cool and saying things and going, no motherfucker, it's performing. It's as legit as everything else. It's like being an actor or being a sportsman even or women or being a, you know, any kind of performance art. It's an odd one though, because the whole idea is if they can see how you're doing it, you're not doing it right. See, that's, I heard this once, it's an invisible art. Like if you're doing a good job, it looks easy. Yeah. It not only does it look easy,

it shouldn't look like you're doing anything. Yeah. It should look like he just came on and started talking to us. Exactly. That's like, I could do that. It's like, no, that's because it's, if someone's bombing, then you're like, oh, that looks bad. Yeah, that's right. But you only could do that it's like no that's cuz it's if someone's bombing then you're like oh yeah that's right but you only notice it when it's shit yeah which is fucking terrifying because they'll I saw you do that show and you looked a little nervous I'm like what's

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but it's actually a dog. I can tell you right now, the dog ramp guy has some very interesting problems. Listen to What's Your Problem on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you say? Because I think with comedians now, like you're married to a comedian, comedians kind of are a little more friendly with each other than when I was starting out. When I was starting out, it was kind of like lone wolf situation.

Like nobody was really, it was like, or maybe it was just me that was like that. I don't know. But now it seems like people are a little friendlier with each other. Yeah. Is that, have you ever, no, is that not true? I hate people, especially comedians. I mean, I don't mean to be rude here, but... Be as rude as you like.

Comedians are terrible people. They are! But you're married to one! That's the thing is I just feel like he's a good person. He's one of the good ones? I do feel like he's a good person, but I really, like, one thing I talk about a lot, I just feel like he's a good person. He's one of the good ones? I do feel like he's a good person, but I really, like, one thing I talk about a lot is I just don't feel like I have any friends.

I don't have, and it's a form of like protecting myself. Sometimes I joke about it so much on stage, audience members will come up to me and be like, do you need a friend? Do you need a friend? Yeah, you definitely don't need anyone. No. Be your friend who says, do you need a friend?

But I definitely keep, it's something I've learned to keep an arm's length from most comedians. Okay, why? Competitiveness? No, I mean, I'm like friendly with them. They'll be like my acquaintances, but I just feel like everyone's out for themselves. And I don't know, I don't know why.

I just don't trust people. Yeah, that's good. This is going to work for you in show business. Are you being sarcastic? No, I'm fucking 100% serious. I'm very careful about... Like when I was doing that late night show, every fucking night, every fucking night for 10 years, we shot the show between Every fucking night for 10 years, we shot the show between 5 and 6 o'clock by 6.30. Every fucking night I was home, bathing my kids, putting them to bed, having dinner. Every fucking night I wouldn't go to anything. I didn't go into anything. Like even if I was in a movie, I was like, I don't want to go to the fucking premiere.

I don't want to hang. Like that's not what I'm here for. I'm also like, I'm not here to impress other comedians. I'm here to build a connection with the audience and the people in the room. I'm not here because I want this random comic to like me, because the way they feel about me has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with them. Ah, but what if you really admire the comic? And you want them to like you?

Like, you don't want Nikki Glaser to go, I'm fucking gonna hate her. To be fair, all the comics I admire, I've never met and don't know, and that's probably why I admire them. Yeah, I think that there's something in that. You never met Atel? I mean, I've met him, but I've never had, like, a real...

He won't disappoint. He's nice. It's like he's a nice guy. I feel pretty jaded about, like, comedians and their narcissism. Well, it has a kind of an element of that. I guess it's a kind of part of it. But by the very nature of being one yourself, you kind of... Yeah, I mean, I suck too.

Well, do you know? I mean, it's just kind of... You don't need to beat yourself up for being what you are. It's just you're a little bit different. Like if you say, you know, I never felt like I fit in that was, you weren't wrong. You fucking didn't. Yeah. You know, you didn't fit in.

Yeah. But now you kind of do a little more because you found, well, look, you at least find one person you fit in with, right? And you fit in in a world where, you know, somebody comes to me and says, we like this girl, look at her stand up and I look at her and go, that's an interesting comic, let me talk to her. That's something that is going to happen to you. Yeah.

And then you're going to be asked to fit in. And you will fit in a little bit. But I don't think that talking to you, I feel like I'm talking to myself a little bit. I don't think you're ever going to feel like you fit in. Right. Because when I was doing Late Night, there's only like five people that do that. I think in the history of television, maybe 10, 15, mostly men, they've done it. I didn't hang with any of them.

Dave and I weren't in the fucking hot tub. I mean, I hang with Jay a little bit sometimes, but it's weird. Yeah. But it's not like that. It's like, you know, actors go on, like, trips together and stuff and, you know. Because that's like a collaborative process.

I feel like there's this misconception that, like, your peer succeeding is going to take away from you succeeding. And that's not the case with stand up. but I do feel like people act that way. Well, I think it feels like that, you know, Gore Vidal said, it's not enough that I succeed. It's also that my friends have to fail. But Gore Vidal was awesome. Actually, I did meet him.

I met him once, but he was very, very old at the end of his life. Most, if you're lucky, you are old at the end of his life. If you're lucky, you are old at the end of your life. But I think that the idea of being friendly with groups of people, I don't really get that. I have a small group of people. I tour, Tomas and I tour, and that's it. We have a truck and the merch from the trucks in the back and we hire people to sell the merch when we get to the gig and that's it. It's just big gigs, but I'm like, and then when we turn up, they're like, what, this is fucking it? I'm like, yeah, this is it, me and Tomas.

And if I could persuade him to do 10 minutes, but he won't do that. He's a tour manager, he's not interested. I feel like I was just a little too cynical about comedians. Cynicism, I think, is an essential component of a comedic mind though, isn't it? You have to, it's essential component of a comedic mind, though, isn't it? You have to...

It's almost like being a scientist. Like if someone presents what they see as an obvious truth, your job as someone who works in humor is to go, is that an obvious truth? Let me come at that from a different angle and see if it is, or fuck around with it a little bit. I have this thing right now, I started this about three or four years ago, when I'm doing stand-up, I never talk about politics, never. Do you do that?

No, no. You don't do politics or you do? I don't do politics. That's interesting. I wonder if that's, if more and more people are doing that, cause it feels like, feels like it separates you from the audience a little bit. Maybe because the country is-

Separated. A little divided right now. People are a little, I mean, it's always been that way. I think it always has. So what did you study when you were at university? Did you go to university? Yeah, I studied environmental science with a focus on agriculture. Right, okay. Because you wanted to get a gorilla to help you start a farm.

I just wanted to start a farm. Is your husband very hairy? No, he's not. Okay. I just wondered if he was, you know... Doesn't look like a gorilla. Doesn't look like a gorilla. Okay.

I just wondered. I just wondered if a gorilla was a theme. But he does love animals and that was important to me. Yeah, well, who doesn't? Like, oh well. A lot of people. Oh, stop. Who? Bad people. Oh stop, who? Bad people.

Bad people, yeah, but most people like their dog. Do you have animals? Do you have a dog? Yeah. Okay. Is your dog very, does he look like a gorilla? He doesn't look like a gorilla. What does he look like?

He's a little black dog. Little black dog. Where, is he a terrier? He looks like a bigger version of a min pen, but not a Doberman. What's a min pen? Like, it's a mini Doberman. Right. And he's got a little black tail.

He's got a little black tail. He's got a little black tail. He's got a little black tail. He's got a little black tail. He's got a little black tail. He a bigger version of a min pen, but not a Doberman. What's a min pen? Like, it's a mini Doberman. Right. But he looks like a mini Doberman. Alright, so is he a little person dog?

You know, is he like... I guess. So do you dress him up in little outfits? You fucking do! Oh my god, I was joking! And then I saw your fan went, do you dress him up in little outfits saw your fan went you dress him up a little efficient you fucking do dress him up a little. He's my world like my dog is my everything. What do you make your dog wear? I just occasionally wear a little hat like a little bow tie a little t-shirt a little something.

Alright, that's fine. Does the dog have any feelings about this? I mean he he doesn't care because me and, it's me and him against the world. So he doesn't care. So if he's wearing a little pair of spangly pants, he's like, ah, this is fine. As long as I'm with Natalie, I'm good. He says, as long as I get some peanut butter, I don't give a fuck.

Wait, you gave your dog peanut butter? Yeah. But that makes them go do that licky thing. Yeah. Oh, you like that? He's preoccupied. Yeah, I guess. We. Oh, you like that? He keeps them occupied. Yeah, I guess. You can get a ball and throw it for him or something.

You don't have to give him peanut butter and teach him to use an iPad. So are you like an animal person? Are you like an animal activist? I'm not an animal activist. I eat them, although I feel bad about it. Would you eat your dog if you were starving? No, oh my God, no. If you were starving.

I would like... If it was like the zombie apocalypse and it was just you and your dog. I would come to terms with my deep existential crisis and I would let my dog eat my finger. What? You could have cut off two fingers and you have one each. Then you could eat them together. Did you know once, I saw an interview with Stephen King once and he said, I don't know if he ever wrote this story, but it was so awesome.

He said his next door neighbor was a doctor and he kept asking him weird questions, but he was kind of used to it because he wants to write a story. He said, I wanted to ask him how much it was possible of a human being to eat of their own body before they died. He had an idea for a story that someone was washed up in a desert island. It was fresh running water, but no food. And eventually they had to chop off and eat bits of their own body. And how far a person could go doing that.

Wow. Yeah. How far do you think that would be? It'd be down to one arm, I guess, wouldn't it? I guess. I mean, I feel like that, I guess, wouldn't it? I guess. I mean, I feel like that, like, maybe if you're, like, drunk or something. That sounds really... You can't get drunk, though. There's only running water.

There's only running water and a sharp knife. And maybe a microwave oven. Could you ferment your own blood? Wow. It's really important for you to get drunk here, I guess. I know. It's not important for me to get drunk. I just... having consciousness while trying to eat my own body

is kind of tough. Right, but if, like, if you sauteed it or something, or, you know, diced it into some kind of fricassee, that might work. Maybe. You eat meat, right? I do. Right.

I go in and out of eating meat. Yeah, I didn't eat meat for like four and a half, five years. Was it, why did you stop eating meat? I saw a fucking documentary on Netflix called Forks Over Nights. Yeah, it's't eat meat for like four and a half, five years. Was it, why did you stop eating meat? I saw a fucking documentary on Netflix called Forks Overnight. Yeah, it's a good one. Oh, it's a great one. And I was like, oh my God, what am I doing?

It's, we have to suspend so much disbelief to eat meat. The only thing that's making me feel OK about eating meat is like my dog eats meat. So, you know. Yeah. That is part of the circle of life. Yeah. But I still feel really guilty about eating meat. Well, have you tried not eating meat?

Yeah, I go through faces. Yeah, I do too. I kind of, I was vegan for a long time. And then during the lockdown, I was in Scotland, my wife and kids are not, they weren't interested in vegetarianism in any way. And I, my wife made a roast beef. It smelled so good. I said, what would happen if I ate some of that?

She went, anyway, you'd better just have a little bit. There you go. And I was like, all right. We were all sitting around the table, and the kids are watching me and stuff. I just took a little bit. And then I was like, ah! Yeah, I know, this guy.

Oh my god, I went crazy. They said the color came back in at me and all that kind of stuff. Chicken is delicious. It is. It is. It's gross to look at though. Yeah. I have chickens, like live chickens.

Oh, that's nice. Not with me. I don't have them with me. They live at my house. Live chickens. But I don't eat them, but I eat their eggs. Their eggs. Eat their eggs.

Their eggs are okay. Cause they won't have a rooster. So like the eggs would just like just drop out and nothing would happen. There's an amazing book called Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer, and it's basically every single argument for being a vegetarian. And it does make you feel bad even about eating the eggs. Well, why is... I get the health implications about eating eggs.

That is bad for, particularly men, I think, is bad to eat eggs. It's bad for your prostate and stuff. But. I eat a lot of eggs, but it's essentially like. Well, you don't have a prostate. You can fucking live the dream. You can omelet your way into fucking glory. You could have scrambled eggs every day and your prostate would never be bothered

because you don't have a prostate. That's true. Yeah. I have high cholesterol though. Oh, well then you better lay off the fucking eggs. Because is that what it says in the thing? No, it basically says like the hormones that, well, a lot of the times with factory farming,

they're injected with more hormones that makes them produce eggs more often. So they're just like constantly producing eggs, which is really tough for them. Let me just add a quote. I know you don't do that. I don't eat that shit ever. Yeah. I don't eat that shit ever. I don't eat stuff that's factory and farming are two words that shouldn't be together. I don't fucking touch that. If I eat an egg I know where it came from. Like I saw where it dropped out. Yeah that's fine.. And I don't feed my chickens hormones.

I do wrestle with this though. Sometimes they eat leftovers. I'm like, can we put egg in the leftovers? Will the chickens eat the egg? I was like, they will eat it. Yeah. But it feels like feels wrong. It feels a little weird. I know. Sometimes I feel weird when I'm eating chicken and egg because I'm eating the mother and the baby. You can't do that. Yeah. You can't do that. Yeah. That's like the circle of it's not right. It's some kind of reach around, I think. It's like you can't do that. That's what the Paul Simon song, The Mother and Child Reunion is about.

No. Yeah, apparently. Yeah. Which is kind of gross and ruins that song. Yeah, it is gross. All right. Well, we're out of time. So to conclude.

OK. You're seven years in. OK. You're an interested comic. OK. you've got a lot of tattoos, you're weird, you feel like you don't fit in, you're going to be fine. I think you're going to be fine. Do you have a motorcycle? No.

Good. I feel like you look like you might have had one or be thinking about getting one. I used to be a bit embedded in the motorcycle world, but I'm no longer. Yeah. Did you have an accident? No, no. See, I had emotional. Really? Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to do this again. Yeah, it is scary. It's horrible. It's horrible. I still feel it every day. It was 20 years ago. That's horrible. It is. But what are you going to do? At least you're okay. I'm not okay. I'm a long fucking way from okay. But I'm functioning.

Yeah. And I think it's okay to not be okay. That's true. Yeah. That's maybe good for mental health, isn't it? To say, you know what, it's okay to not be okay. Yeah. I'm just going to leave here being like,

wow, he told me it's okay to not be okay. He must really think I'm not okay. No, no. No, I'm a comedian. I wasn't talking about you at all. I was talking about me. All right, get out of here. How do you feel about this kids?

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