Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Phil Rosenthal

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

Meet Phil Rosenthal, everybody’s favorite foodie. Phil is known as the creator of EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND and he has garnered a cult like following for his Netflix series SOMEBODY FEED PHIL, which just released its 7th season. Go to Netflix to check it out! Phil also has a new children’s book out he created with his daughter, Lily, called: JUST TRY IT: A Phil and Lil Book, a hilarious picture book geared towards young children about a food-loving dad encouraging his picky eater daughter to just try something new. EnJOY this great conversation between Phil and Craig.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we are blessed, my friends, blessed, because we're in the company of one of the nicest guys in show business. He wrote one of the greatest, most gentle, but beautiful sitcoms. Everybody loves Raymond. And now he travels the world eating whatever the hell he wants. Somebody feed

Phil Rosenthal. Whenever I see you on TV, whenever I see your shows, you're always eating. Yes. And you're sitting right here. I mean, there's not a scrap of fat on you. You must work out all the time. I work out every day. Do you really?

I do something every day. Really? I try to get to 10,000 steps. Do you do the treadmill and all that kind of stuff? I walk a lot and I do weights. The older you get, the more weights. Ah, you gotta do weights. Right? Because you lose muscle mass. Yeah, push-ups and sit-ups is what I do. I figured that...

Well, you're in fine shape. Yeah, yeah, that's what I figure. It's like push-ups and sit-ups. That's what my brother does. Hotels, it's easier to just push-ups, sit-ups, calisthenics. Yes. You don't have to worry. Do you like the hotel gym? You know, I'm a germaphobe, Phil. I don't know if you can identify.

I didn't know that. Well, no, I'm not a big germaphobe. You're not Howie Mendel. No, no. Howie's a different level. I think Howie lives in a separate house from when his kids get sick. From the world. Well, he was telling me when his kids get sick,

when they were young, he would go and stay in the guest house. Wow. Yeah. Well, he was telling me when his kids get sick when they were young, he would go and stay in the guest house. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a thing. Oh, he's really admissible. No, but he's such a sweet, great guy. He's a lovely man. He's one of the nicest guys in show business. He can have whatever quirks. Nobody's perfect. No,

nobody is perfect. But let me just tell you, first of all, let me just say, Mazel Tov, on you and your daughter's book getting in the New York Times bestseller list. Yeah. Just try it. Is that a book to like to help make kids eat things? A little bit. Yeah.

But it's funny. We've been reading it to kids and then we started realizing there's a lot of adults who won't try stuff. Oh, 100%. It's all about having an open mind. So we think, you know, maybe it's good for the parents to read it. It is. Right.

Because people do it. They're like, no, I don't like that. You ever had it? Yeah, I never had it, but I don't like it. I know people, do you know people like this? They haven't had fundamental things

that you would think, how could you avoid? Like I knew grown men, like older than us. Right. Never had a cookie. A cookie? A cookie? A cookie.

Never had a piece of cake. This is true. Is that some kind of homophobia from just after the war? Like, I don't eat cake. That's for sissies. They were little kids. How do you go to children's birthday parties and avoid this stuff? And you know what he said?

Not interested. Just wasn't interested. That's a bigger problem than I'm not trying food. That's some kind of shutdown there. That's bad. But let me ask you this then. Is there ever anything you've gone, because you travel the world and you eat everything. I've seen you.

Have you ever gone to, I just can't. I can't. Like fried bees or something. So I was just in Iceland for the new season. Oh, I've tasted that food up there jesus that's bad that is that that licorice tasting seal flipper when were you there last uh only a couple of months ago i inadvertently bought the wrong thing in the airport uh lounge i'm like it was the some kind of licorice flipper. It was awful.

I actually found good food. In Iceland? Yeah. Talk to me. When I go, I'm getting a lot of research done. Not just from me, which anyone can do. You can Google best restaurants in Reykjavik. And I bet there's good ones. There are. Especially now. I maintain that you can get a good meal anywhere now. Yeah, probably. I think you're right. I mean, it's not like the old days.

Because of the internet. Because Yelp and stuff. Yes, but the internet made the world flat, right? That a kid in Idaho can see what a chef in Paris is doing and emulate it and using local ingredients and create these mashups and things. Yeah. So Iceland, we had, listen, I thought the best smoked salmon in the world was in Scotland.

I thought Scottish smoked salmon is spectacular. It's unbelievable. It might be even better in Iceland because the water is colder there. You know what? I'm prepared to admit that it's a possibility. It's possible. Yeah, I think it is. And the next time I go to Iceland, I'm going to have the salmon.

I'm not going to have whatever. Because I've tasted some bad things in my life. Iceland is one of them. Also, Japan. I know all the Japanese food is great. Yeah, but... Did you ever go to a sushi restaurant and think,

that tentacle thing can't do it? I can do it. You can? You can do all of it? Well, here's the thing I wouldn't try in Iceland. Right. Putrefied shark. I think that's what I had. Well, here's the thing I wouldn't try in Iceland. Right. Putrefied shark. I think that's what I had.

Yeah. It's the worst thing I ever tasted. So that's like a dare that they do, right? And then what they do is there's a spirit that you drink after. And I think... I don't drink. I get it. Yeah.

So there's no reason for you to be eating this shit. You're right. You're right. You're right. I'm an idiot. I saw Bourdain do it on his show. Yeah. And listen, he's the hero. He is the super.

Oh, he's the Carson of what you're doing. He is. I only exist because of him. Right? All of us who do this owe him the greatest debt in the world because he pioneered and revolutionized an entire genre. Created the whole thing. Yes. Yeah.

He eats this putrefied shark. Yeah. And throws up on camera. Wow. Now, if Anthony Bourdain, who can handle anything. Yeah, that's true. I'm like, thank you for taking the hit for the rest of us. I'm not doing it.

I went to a place, you know, the documentary Zero Dreams of Sushi. Yeah. So when my, my oldest son was 13, we went to Japan. Yes. Because instead of as a kind of bat mitzvah thing. Yes. His mother is Jewish. So for the Scottish bat mitzvah, we go to Japan.

I love it. Yeah. So we go to that restaurant. We go to the Jiro. Jiro. Yeah. And he's a sushi chef he just

he gives you what you're gonna eat you're not choosing anything it's like no omakase yeah here's what you're getting yeah

and it was like number eight I was like oh my god I'm really fighting to get this done some of the stuff was amazing

it was delicious but I was really trying to get this done and it was I think it was salmon eggs or something some eggs the little orange eggs yeah it was really tough for you really salmon eggs or something. Some eggs.

The little orange eggs. Yeah, it was really bad for me. Tough for you. A lot of it is a texture thing, right? Yeah, it was texture, I think. And it was the only thing that my son wouldn't eat. He just said, I can't do that. And through the interpreter, Master Giro said to me,

he said, that's good. One more for daddy. So I had to eat two. Oh, fantastic. Because you can't offend the chef. No, that's a... One more for daddy. So I had to eat two of them because you can't offend the chef. No, that's a... There's a lot of manners around this stuff. Do you find that going around the world that

there's a lot of custom and kind of behavior and politeness around? There's a lot of ceremony around everybody's food, right? I am going to taste anything put in front of me, but if I can avoid the scary thing, I will. Right. So like in Mexico, I was sitting at a counter at this scary thing, I will. So like in Mexico, I was sitting at a counter at a Oaxacan restaurant.

This is in the show. And I'm with my companion for this scene. And the female chef, she's giving us such gorgeous food. It's all fantastic. But what I've heard

is that they serve iguana in this place. That would be tough. And I'm scared. And I say to my companion, I heard there's iguana here. If they give serve iguana in this place and i'm scared and i say to my companion i heard there's iguana here if they give us iguana are you gonna taste it and she goes i don't know are you gonna taste it and i'm like you're mexican you're more used to this maybe than i am coming from and the chef hears us she says oh you want iguana and i go oh so you get the iguana special and she shows

it because there it is and it's sitting in a bowl on the counter. And it's blackened already. You see the curly tail. You see the body. You see the face like this. And she goes, if you want it, it'll be another half hour to prepare it. We don't have time. Exactly what I did.

Oh, look at the time. Great. And I pussed out. And then she does this. Oh, well, if you don't have time for that, how about this? And she reaches under the counter. You're going to think I'm making this up. It's all in the show. And she pulls out a bowl of moving, living beetles. I can't do that. And I don't want to offend. I don't want to offend. I don't want to offend. Right. So live my life not wanting to upset anybody.

Right. And God forbid I should be discourteous or rude. But what flew out of my mouth at that moment was, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I ran away. Yeah, good. You know what? You're a human being. You're allowed to have preferences.

And it's not, I don't think it's terrible manners to turn down live beetles my friend was in china rural china not like a major city but sure he's the guest of honor why because he's american at a banquet yeah they bring out a live poisonous snake and they hold it up next to him he's freaking out because they're holding it by the neck and the snake is wriggling yeah and they take out a knife and they slit open this live snake and they pull out the snake's gallbladder and squeeze it into a glass and give it to him to drink because he's the guest of honor they're fucking with them they're fucking with them come on they're like this is supposed to have you're supposed to be have virility if you drink this. Really?

You're supposed to have manliness. I get enough manliness. I go, how bad was it? He says, as bad as you can imagine, and the very worst part that I didn't even think about as I put it to my lips, the worst part was that it was warm. Can you imagine yeah i mean i could get sick thinking about it well also i'm sure then you know we're gonna get letters and emails as well people will be like that's cruel to snakes uh you know well this is not what we do no no we don't do it uh we don't do it in rural china snake though. I have eaten snake. I have tasted rattlesnake. Rattlesnake, yeah.

It's not unpleasant. It's not my favorite. It's a little oily, a little. Yeah, it's like oily chicken. Yeah. I thought like oily chicken. Everyone says tastes like. Gamy.

Gamy oily chicken. Everybody says tastes like chicken. I'm like, in that case, could I have chicken? Yeah, let's have chicken. Now, when you were doing, because look, when I became aware of you, you were the comedy, like, you were one of the great gods of the comedy sitcom world. You know, it's like, you know, Everybody Loves Raymond was like a huge show. You know, you and Raymond put it together. It's a great show.

Thank you. And so I'm thinking, as I look at that now, I'm guessing that there is, when you think about it, there is always cooking and stuff going on. Food is a big thing. Yeah, it's a big thing in that show. It never occurred to me. It's a big thing in life. It's a long story, but my parents weren't great cooks. They both worked, didn't have a lot of money.

The cuisine in our house was cheap. Yeah, I grew up in Scotland so I still went when it comes to fighting for the worst my mom had a setting on the oven for shoe

this is how you know it's ready ding it's ready it's ready meaning all the flavor has been taken out and here it is

so I didn't I didn't even think steak was something that was good until I was in my 20s. People said, you want to go to a steakhouse? Why would anybody want steak? Right. Because I only had the worst of the worst. Right.

Tough, chewy. I couldn't leave the table also. Forget just try it. In my house, it was just finish it. Yeah, you got to finish it. Forget just try it is like the reform version. Right. My house was the orthodox version. Just finish it. Forget, just try it is like the reform version. My house was the orthodox version.

Just finish it. I couldn't stand it, but I went reluctantly to this steakhouse. It was like New Year's Eve in my head. I couldn't believe how great that steak, I literally said that steak? That's so weird.

I wanted to take a picture and show it to my mother. Well, you know what's weird about it is because you would think, because your love of food is palpable, and you're clearly very interested and drawn to all sorts of food, I would have thought it would have come in early in life, but clearly it didn't, right? It wasn't like that. It wasn't until I left the house.

Right. I always loved fast food. I loved anything marketed to us, right? Like McDonald's, Burger King, all that stuff. Because at least it had salt and fat and flavor. Yeah, it did have flavor. I didn't care it was artificial bologna. It was tasty.

That made the difference. Yeah. And so I always pursued it. And whenever I did get anything from another place, like I went to Atlanta when I was nine, never went anywhere. Went to Atlanta for a bar mitzvah when I was nine. My cousins took me to a new place that I'd never heard of called 7-Eleven. And I go to 7-Eleven and they have a Slurpee machine. Oh, yeah.

First time. For Slurpee? I tasted this thing. I go, this is why you travel. Do you know what? This is why you travel. The reason I became an American when I was 13 years old, my father and I come and visit my uncle and my aunt and their kids in New York.

They live in Smithtown, Long Island. Yes. So I go from Scotland. I go to Smithtown, Long Island when I'm 13. It's 1975. Great. Right? Yeah.

And they take me to a bowling alley and someone gives me root beer from a fountain over crushed ice in a bowling alley. And I tasted it. Never tasted in my life. And I said, whatever this is, I want to be part of this. This is when I'm going to become an American. When I taste root beer over crushed ice in a bowling alley in Long Island, I'm like, this is it. So I'm preaching the converter. I understand entirely what you're saying. Yeah, of course. When you have an experience that you love somewhere else, it makes you fall in love with going places.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, be honest with me. Have you ever been to a place and you've tasted a lot of different food and you thought, you know, I don't need to come back? Nope. That's great. Nope, because there's always something left. There's always something good.

I'm telling you, good meal anywhere now. All right. Good meal anywhere. But you've got to do your homework. You've got to research a little bit. So I have something, though, that maybe you don't have, which is a production company in New York that was Bourdain's

production company. So they have fixers all over the world. That's your MacDuffin. So I say, here's what I'm thinking, and they go, here's what you should be thinking.

Here's the new, and I leave room in the schedule for serendipity. We're going to find stuff that a chef, when we meet there, they'll go,

where are you going tomorrow? And you'll tell them, they'll go, that's not the best pizza. The best pizza's over here. All right, okay. Right? So you have to... Where is the best pizza? I mean, I think of you as a guy who knows New York a little bit.

Can I tell you something? Yeah. I could name 10 places right now in LA that you can have great mozza. Right, mozza's good pizza. Pizzana. Yeah. Have you had that?

No. Quarter sheets. No. See, I don't know much about LAana. Yeah. Have you had that? No. Quarter sheets? No. See, I don't know much about LA pizza. Can I take you? Yes. Yes. You're here, right?

Yeah, well, I'm here until tomorrow morning. Oh. So you either take me tonight or we're not going. Where are you living now? I'm in Scotland. Yes. And in New York. Where in Scotland?

In the southwest, like about an hour south of Glasgow. Okay, so Glasgow is in the new season, and we went, and I'm telling you, I had a couple meals there that are phenomenal. One was the best shawarma I've ever had in my life. Indian food is incredible in Glasgow. At the Shawarma King. Yeah, yeah. Have you had it? Yeah.

The Indian and Pakistani community in Glasgow, it's kind of like Italians or Jewish community in New York. They changed the game. Do you know what I mean? It's like when they came in Well, this man is Syrian. This is Syrian. That's shawarma. Yeah, that's Middle Eastern. I don't know about that. Right. So I don't know about that. I thought it was like Indian shawarma. It sounds shawarma. Or maybe Jewish shawarma.

Hey, you get. Stop shawarming me. Yeah, you're shawarma bee. Yeah, you're crowd me. You're like a shwarma bee. Yeah, you're a crowd bee. You're like a shwarma bees. So... I think you'll like it. Yeah, I think I will. Hard not to like it.

I mean, I love Mediterranean food. I didn't know it was called shwarma though. See, I don't know. I just, I know what I like. I know what... Well, I don't know what I like. But will you try new things? Definitely.

Because I wrote a book for you. Yeah, yeah. I know. I've definitely... I mean, when my kids were little, getting them to try stuff, I understand. It I wrote a book for you. Yeah, yeah. I've definitely... I mean, when my kids were little, getting them to try stuff, I understand.

It's hard. It is hard. Well, one of them was hard. I have two boys. One of them, for like two years, it was Annie's macaroni. Oh, yeah.

I know. You couldn't really get it. Yeah. But the other one will eat pretty much anything. So this book, not that I'm plugging the book, but the...

You're plugging it a bit, but I feel like I respect, but the thing is, the kid left on its own will eat. Yeah. The kid, it's not going to, most people, you know,

when they get hungry, they want to eat. They will eat. And they will eat. So, and sometimes it's not about the food that they're pushing back on you.

It's about asserting their personhood. It's about having, right? It's not really about the food. the observation. back on you it's about asserting their personhood they're it's about having right i think it's not really about the food uh observation i think you're right and left to their own they might try it and you know what the kid that wouldn't eat was the first kid and that's the one you're like here eat eat eat eat oh baby and they're so worried you'll be fine exactly right yeah and that kid ate more. Yeah. That's funny, though. I think that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I tell this to somebody, and they go, well, that's too much trouble. We just pay them. I said, what do you mean? Here's 25 cents if you take a bite. What? And that works? Yep.

Well, I guess it would. It's not a terrible idea. So you're in Glasgow, and you have great shawarma. What else do you have in Glasgow? I got to look it up, because I forget everything. But if you, people listening, if you look at the Scotland episode, you'll see the great places. You go to Glasgow and Edinburgh and where else? Isle of Skye.

Isle of Skye. They took a helicopter to Isle of Skye. Gorgeous. I mean. That's a beautiful place. It's really heavenly places. It is heavenly. It is gorgeous.

And I know it rains a lot of the time, but the sun broke when we were there. When the sun is out. It's really heavenly place. It is heavenly. It is gorgeous. And I know it rains a lot of the time, but the sun broke when we were there. It's absolutely magical. So I have this website, philrosenthalworld.com and everywhere we go in the show is there. So I'm going to tell you now. Tell me now what restaurants you go to. Because I used to work in a

restaurant in Glasgow, a very famous restaurant in Glasgow. Okay. I don't know if Bourdain went to it or not when he did Glasgow. But Bourdain liked Glasgow a lot. I remember because they talk about him still there. He said he loved Glasgow. It's one of his favorite cities in the world. I love it.

Good place to get. Our friend Brad Paisley, do you know him? Yeah. It's his favorite place. He said he could move there and live there. Really? Yeah. Brad Paisley. Well, the town of Paisley is just on the out? Yeah. It's his favorite place to sit. He could move there and live there. Really? Brad Paisley? Yeah.

Well, the town of Paisley is just on the other side of Glasgow. That's right. Maybe that's why he likes it. Tantrum Donuts. Oh, right. I've never been there, but I've heard of it. So good. Yeah?

Yeah. In Edinburgh, Rose Leaf. That's exciting. Johnny Walker Princess Street, we went there. Oink on Victoria Street in Edinburgh that's not a vegan restaurant not at all

right okay IJ Mellis for cheese and stuff in Edinburgh Mary's Milk Bar for ice cream okay delightful

okay here we go Glasgow Gaga Gaga Lady Gaga is a restaurant in Glasgow it's a wonderful place

Julie Lin is the chef. I think I know about this. I've heard about this place. So it's Malaysian food. Okay. I love that. Absolutely fantastic.

I think you'll love it. It's one of the great meals. And then that shawarma king. Shawarma king. It really made an effect. It landed with you, shawarma king. Huh? I think it's the best shawarma.

I mean, to find it. And I've been to the middle east right so what it is you ever see those big in mexico they're called trampos these giant the meat things of meat that's all layered yeah like when they make it's on a spit exactly right and then they trim off the sides as it rotates that's real drunk people food in britain is it yeah like when you come out of the pub at 11 o'clock, you go get a kebab. It's like people think it's fish and chips.

I guess there's fish and chips, but kebab. People get drunk and have a kebab because the kebab stores are open late because everybody runs them as immigrants

and they want to, you know, earn a living and you can get a kebab. I've woken up sick with kebab fever a couple of days. I get it.

But when they put that garlic mayo on it. Yeah, no, it's beautiful. So is that shawarma, a kebab? Well, kebab I always think of as meat on a stick. Right, that's right. But that's kebab. But kebab is like shawarma, I think. Is that right?

I think so, maybe. Something like that. I know that in Britain, maybe they're calling it wrong in Britain. Maybe, because I think you're right. I technically kebab kebab i think it is the thing on a skewer but in britain it's the pita pocket with the shaved meat on it is kebab is is a kebab they call it a kebab but i'm guessing that's probably right and that's why i'm thinking i have that shawarma and i learned that i'm saying it wrong shawarma it's shawarma oh it's like a whole like but this comes from the middle

east yeah but then in mexico when you get the uh tacos al pastor yeah that came from the middle east except in mexico they had pork instead of lamb oh so they did it yes i like that they came so the whole world is better this is my whole point right the whole world is better when we cross-pollinate. When we get this food from the immigrants who learned how to take maybe cheaper cuts of food just to survive and turned it into not just something palatable

but phenomenal, that's what makes the world go right. I agree. I grew up in a town like Glasgow, which is a Victorian shipbuilding town. And the food by the owner and messenger, the people who lived there, was atrocious. Uh-huh. And what happened, the first wave of immigrants that come in are Italians.

Uh-huh. And Italians bring in coffee, and we taste coffee, and we're like, oh, my God. This is good. I grew up, like, I thought coffee was like, you know, it was a powdered thing you poured hot water on. So when is this happening? Well, the Italians were in way before I, you know, but when you go to Italian restaurants, then they have like coffee machines. Yeah. But the reason you go to an Italian restaurant, because attached to the Italian restaurant is the fish and chip shop, and everybody buys fish and chips.

That's right. People think fish and chips are British. They're not British. It's Italian. The Italians brought the fish and chips. People think fish and chips are British. They're not British. It's Italian. The Italians brought the fish and chips. The Italian restaurants in Glasgow anyway,

it was fish and chips from Italy. They would make, I'm making the fish and chips. They have Glasgow Italian accents. So they talk a bit like me, but also a wee bit Italian as well. Like that.

Wow. It's crazy. I love it. So they come in and they start bringing in Italian food. So they're making pastas and stuff.

And then the Pakistani and Indian community come in in the 60s and 70s. And then everything goes crazy. Then there's like, you know, the Italian restaurants, sorry, the Indian restaurants, the curries that people are not tasting, these spices they've never had before. It's insane. And now there's quite a lot, particularly in Glasgow, there's a huge Chinese influence. There's a lot of Chinese coming into the university. So there's a lot of new Chinese and Malaysian restaurants

and stuff like that at the bottom end of Byers Road, which I think is what you're talking about, near the university. And so all this cultural input, I think, improved the city beyond measure. Who is fighting this? I don't understand. I know, that's what I don't understand. Because it makes life grand.

You want to eat the same thing every day? Isn't it fun to have not just food, but friends from other places and learn something, God forbid? I totally agree, but you and I are maybe not everybody. That's the thing. Let me just say, there is one thing I've never

tasted that my wife has tasted when she was on a vacation when she before we met uh she and some college friends went to south america yeah and they were offered a guinea pig they ate it guinea pig served with the mouth open oh i've seen i've seen it i've never been to to Peru, but I really do want to go. I'm probably going to have to taste that. Yes, you are. But I am afraid. Yeah, because that's like, to me, no disrespect to guinea pig. No, it's a rodent.

Yeah, it's a rat. I had, I think, squirrel once, which scared the hell out of me. I know people who eat squirrel. I have, you know, in rural Scotland yeah some of the guys who you know came up there like they're deep cut it's not like

not regular people do it but I do know a couple of guys one of the guys who a forester I know he'll shoot and eat a squirrel huh you know like he'll take it home and cook it

and the rural south of of America yeah they'll do it yeah the squirrel listen you eat what you can he'll make a chili out of it and stuff like that

okay and yeah not for me. And he gets their little clothes. Listen, I was in Mumbai for the first time. Have you been there? Have you been to India? No, I've never been to mainland India.

I've been to Sri Lanka, but I've never been to mainland India. Do you like Indian food? I love Indian food. I think it might be my favorite. If it's your favorite, you have to go. Yeah, I think you're right. But I will say this. The first stop when we're shooting mumbai

i've never been there in my life i'm kind of afraid right because people you know they do get a stomach thing when they go because they're not used to that food and the water and everything else is different and you can get sick and i was really worried about but i was assured that the guy taking me around knew the places that i would not get sick okay i didn't you didn't get however right first stop try this what is it goat brain curry okay uh that's a that's a lot for your first thing yeah the goat brain is a any kind of brain but i'll tell you this i eat it i taste it with bread you sop it up it's just like yeah you gotta have bread where you're it's meat meat in a it up it's just like yeah you gotta have bread

where you're it's meat meat in a sauce right right right you're right you'd never know really it's the idea that keeps us uh away from stuff but isn't that isn't that true of so many things it's the you get ahead of yourself with the idea yes yeah no you're right i had to eat bugs i had to eat an ant in tokyo many ants? Just one ant? I think I could eat one ant. Like a big black carpenter ant. It came on the salad. I'm like, does this restaurant have a problem?

Should we call the people? Should we call the exterminator? So the ant was on the salad. The ant's on the salad. My compatriot says, you got to try it. It tastes like lemon. I said, well, if it's lemon flavor we're going after. Yeah. Why can't we just have lemon? Could I have some lemon? We could have chicken with lemon on it. if it's lemon flavor we're going after yeah why can't we just have some lemon

we could have chicken with lemon on it's a lemon chicken why do we have to have that but and i'm like shaking my head like god what did i get into with this show but i tasted it and damn if it wasn't like a lemon drop on my tongue. And I thought, okay, did they baste it in lemon? Is that why? No. The chef says, these ants from this particular part of the forest in this particular part of Japan, these ants taste like lemon. Who the hell found this out? The first guy who's like really hungry.

And he's like, I'm so hungry. This one tastes like crap. This one tastes like ant. I don't want that. This one tastes like lemon. This one tastes like ant. I don't want that. This one tastes like lemon. Good one. Yeah. And so, now, am I going to a restaurant and saying,

hey, do you have the ants that taste like... No, it's not the first thing I want when I go to the restaurant. But I'm glad I did it. The journey is its own reward. The tasting of it. Have you ever gotten sick from anything you eat on the road, though? One time, I got sick in all my travels around the world, San Francisco. What did you eat?

Don't know. Okay. Because I ate a lot that day. Right. And that night, we call it bouge gouge. Oh, yeah. Bouge gouge. Bouge.

Like shawarma. Bouge is out the top end and gouges you can imagine. Or other. I mean, I know I've been there. I got it once from smoked salmon. Oh, that's very bad smoked salmon. Yeah, it's very bad smoked salmon. I took it and I knew.

You know that sometimes when you eat something, you go, it's a little off. Something's not right here. Yeah. But I muscled through. You must never muscle through. No, never. Something's off.

Okay, step back. No, no. You can get a bad piece of fish and you know it instantly. here yeah but i muscled through you must never muscle through no never something's off okay step back no no you can get a bad piece of fish and you know it instantly yeah and i knew it and i ate the fish because i didn't want to appear rude i get it and so i ate the fish and about two hours later then i went on a ride that lasted three days it was crazy i've never been so sick and i i used to love salmon and i didn't eat salmon for about 10 years after that. When you get sick from a food, you never want that food again. That's what it feels like, right? I go, I mean, although I tried

oysters, and I never need to eat that. That ain't food. I don't know why people make such a fuss about that. Was a brave man who once tried an oyster. That's a famous saying. Yes. That's crazy. Do you like oysters? I do. You do? I'll tell you why. They are, there's certain foods that are evocative of the place they come.

Right. Right? Yeah. I mean, that's how I felt when I had the Talisker scotch from the barrel at Talisker. And you're like. Look, I'm Scottish, but I got to be honest with you. Whiskey is not food. You understand that, right?

I mean, I know that they say. But there is a flavor. There's definitely a flavor. And, you know, I know you don't drink, but. Well, only because I drank so much. Not because I'm against it. Just because if I drink, I go to hospital or jail. That's why I don't drink.

I was with Peter O'Toole once. Did you ever meet Peter O'Toole? Yeah, I had him on the old late night show. Oh, was he the greatest guy? All right, so we can talk about him. But he said, would you like something to drink? And I said, I would. Are you drinking?

He goes, I can drink. But my doctor says, if I do, I'll die. Yeah, yeah. God bless him. What a peach of a guy. He was amazing. But he was one of those legendary when alcoholism was

more entertaining than perhaps it is now I mean it's like you know Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole wasn't he the greatest raconteur

wasn't he just him and Richard Harris and Richard Harris I was going to say as well but I think probably there's a there's a great old

I don't know if it's a poem I think it's a poem an old Irish thing about probably there's a great old, I don't know if it's a poem, I think it's a poem, an old Irish thing about drinking. It's about, so we spent another night, it's something about in the tavern. Oh, no, it's we spent another night telling poetry and proses, but each man knows he'll be alone when the sacred gin mill closes. Oh, man. And alcoholism is not about the fun you're having it's about four o'clock in the morning in the fetal position crying for your

mother oh it's uh it's it's a whole different game and i don't think any of these guys were spared that i think you got to be honest about it it was it's hellacious if you if you can't do it if you can do it like if i I could drink, I would drink. And I can still make a recommendation for the best Scotch whiskey in my mind. And it's not Talisker, which is a great whiskey. Tell me. The greatest one to my mind is a whiskey called,

weirdly enough, it sounds more like an LA neighborhood, Highland Park. I know it. Highland Park from the Orkneys. Yeah. Get yourself a 12 or older year Highland Park. I know it. Highland Park from the Orkneys. Yeah. Get yourself a 12 or older year Highland Park. I would take that over even a... It's beautiful.

Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Over a Talisker or even a Macallan. I love Glenlivet. Yeah. That's my go-to. Yeah, yeah. If like, you know, a bar... But my guess is you can have a glass of whiskey and then that's, you're done.

You enjoy the taste and... By the way, I'm also a flyweight. Right. I mean, I have one and a goodbye. Yeah, yeah. That's me. But listen, I'm in it for the flavor. Right, and that's what means you can have it. If you're in it for the flavor, you can have it.

If you're in it for the medicine for what's ever missing in your soul, you can have it. I honestly don't like the feeling of being loopy in any way with anything that's i don't like it you know you don't know what a mitzvah that is that's unbelievable to have that really yeah because we all like an escape listen i'll take i'll take uh my son has started making uh a business out of uh thc laced cookies. Okay. Okay? Right. And it's a cookie mix.

It's called Zaza's. And you can pre-make the batter and put the balls in the, the dough balls in the freezer. Right. And then right before bed, in the toaster oven for 10 minutes, you have a fresh, hot-baked chocolate chip cookie. And for me, it's not about getting high. Yeah. Although you do start to feel it. Right.

Maybe listen to a little music. Ah, you're in college again. And then lights out. Good night. Sleep through the night. That's why I take it. What's interesting about it, and that's great, but the thing to remember about these things is they react differently with different people. Absolutely.

Because if I had that, I would be psychotic and I would need a drink. Even at a low dose? I'm 100% sure. Because everyone's dosage, that's why you're not seeing it. What's the word? Normalized? Not normalized.

When you try to regulate something and you have to have like a dose. A dosage thing. Yes. Yeah, you can't do that because everybody reacts. Everybody's different. Right, right. And I'll tell you another thing. Like, when you and I were young, like, when you said college, like, there were drugs around and people experiment with drugs and stuff.

Like, you can't do that now. There's fentanyl and everything. Oh, yeah. Fentanyl and everything. You could die. You could die. Kids. Like, you'd die from a joint.

Yeah, don't do that. That's crazy. It is crazy. I mean, it's like, oh, my God, it's everywhere. In college, we'd have what's called a nickel bag that would last us the semester. Yeah. But now, one puff and oh my God. Lights out.

Lights out. You're done because of that strange stuff that's everywhere. I don't do it. I use it only to sleep and only once or twice a week at the most. Right. But it's good when you travel, I think. Although you got to be careful what country you're going to. I do that when I, you know, because I famously carry a lot of guns.

So, you look to me like, what? What? No, no. Well, you're good at saying it straight like. No, but you got to be careful because people are different. Now, here's the thing. I remember once I went to rural Morocco. I was out there.

I can't really remember what I was doing out there, but I was out there for some fun. If you don't remember, you were doing something fun. But I actually, I don't think I was drinking. In fact, I'm pretty sure I wasn't drinking. But it was a long time ago. And I remember I was with a girlfriend and we went to go to a restaurant and the guy at the door said I'm sorry you you you have to go to

separate parts of the restaurant it's like the the we don't let men and women unless they're married sit together so she had to go and sit with the single woman So she had to go and sit with a single woman, and I had to go and sit with a single dude. And the married couples can sit in the middle, but you have to be married. Wow. I know. Interesting.

Yeah, it was like a whole thing. And it kind of, you know, I kind of liked it. You know, I'm not advocating for being in a marriage, but I was like, oh, this is different. It's an hour. My girlfriend didn't like it. Yeah. She felt like she had been in some way.

Insulted? A little bit. She's a Western woman who was in a rural part of the world, and the customs were different. Listen, there's customs all over the world where they have to lighten up a little, right? You know, you figure. As time goes on. Well, you ask people to lighten up, though, Phil i you know you figure i know but as time goes on well if you

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I know. I'm like, what? Yeah. I'm kind of like, freak me out. Yes. So, are you… I'm guessing the Palestinian restaurants. No.

No, no, no. I have a scene in Dubai. Yeah. We filmed it almost a year ago now, before Palestinian restaurants. No. No, no, no. I have a scene in Dubai. Yeah. We filmed it almost a year ago now. Right. Before the troubles. Yeah. I go in.

There's a woman who is from, I guess, Gaza or the West Bank. She emigrated to Dubai, as many people do, because it's like 85% immigrants Dubai. Really? Have you been there? No, I've never been to Dubai. You drive down the street, you're like, oh, this is what Vegas would be if they had real money. I mean, just unbelievable city of the future. I know like car cars or Bugatti Veyrons and stuff like that.

I can't imagine. Nuts. Monorails running on both sides of the highway. Like that Simpsons episode. Exactly right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then there's old dubai which is only about 50 60 years old right but that's where the indian restaurants are and the palestinian restaurants are right restaurants from all over the middle east so i have this meal with this

palestinian woman and it connected so deeply to me and her story and i just fell in love with her as a human being right and we got along so great that we got emotional. Yeah. This is supposed to be our natural enemy. Yeah. Gorgeous, wonderful experience. And all I can, that's my answer to all of this. Why don't you sit and eat with these people?

If we sat and ate. That's what they say, break bread. Isn't it? When you're talking about a conciliatory meeting, you use the expression, let's break bread together. Exactly right. Because it's something we automatically relate to because we all do it no matter who we are.

Well, we all got to do it. We all got to eat. And if the food is good, we're already connecting on something we understand that's wonderful. That we're already happy. Yeah, we're already happy because we're eating. I can't kill you because I'm happy eating with you. Yeah, yeah, we're eating, and then there's enough for both of us.

And then if we share a joke or a laugh, now we're friends. That's what I feel about it too, the humor and food. That's it. Obviously for you, very closely related because everybody's got a – I pitched this idea years ago. Yes. I never came in. I was going to do this show where I would go anywhere in the world and do what you do with food except do it with stand-up.

Right. Like I would go to Japan and I'd learn an act phonetically and go and try and do it. Wow. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And I thought it would be really cool, but I could never sell it. I don't know why. It's hard to sell stuff.

Yeah, it is. Listen, speaking of Peter O'Toole, I tried to do two pilots with him. No way. He wanted, when he did a movie called King Ralph with John Goodman. I remember it. So John Goodman was taking a break during his hiatus from Roseanne, the biggest sitcom at that time. I know. I've talked to Matt Williams, who was one of the creators of it.

Great, great, great. I would say even groundbreaking show. Amazing show. Show held up a mirror to an American living room. Yeah. Right. And what was going on. I'd go as far as to say,

no, I was going to say there's no Raymond without Roseanne, but I don't think that's true because I think Raymond is also connected to All in the Family. Older shows. Yeah. But certainly influenced in that. Yeah, it was part of it for sure, I think. Definitely.

Well, listen, we stand on the shoulders of everyone who came before us. Always, of course, yeah. So, Peter O'Toole learns about how much money you can make making a sitcom, and we get a phone call. He'd like to do a sitcom. He'd like to do a sitcom. This was a few years before Raymond. We got this guy. I was with a partner at the time.

We get this call, and we're like, hell yeah. Of course. I mean, he's a huge, a giant movistar. We write this thing for him. He likes it. He gives us notes. Best notes I ever got in my life from anyone were from him. Have you

read his book? Yes. Lawyering with Intent? Yeah, but it was a long time since i read it but i did you do remember then it was good yeah i do i do remember it okay so we have him he's he's he commits to to it now and we're going and it's nbc and my phone rings and it's judd hirsch out of the blue my god i heard you're doing a show with Peter O'Toole. Yes, I'd like to be in it.

Okay, I don't know if there's a great part of it. He goes, I don't care. I want to do it. So now, NBC show, Peter O'Toole,

Judd Hirsch, we start casting the other roles. My phone rings. It's NBC. We're in the middle of casting. Yes, the president of the network

would rather not have someone with an accent on the network. This is fucking Warren Littlefield, isn't it? It sounds like Warren. No, it was, I think, the next one. The one after him? Maybe.

Yeah. We don't have to say who it is. I think I know who it is. Yeah, I know. And the show was dead. Just because of the accent? Now, imagine having to call him well you did i couldn't all right so i just let the other people make up some story to him and we stayed

friends we would go to london my whole family we would meet him for tea oh that's great and we stayed friends he would come to la visit us He came to a movie night at my house. I said, can we show what movie of yours can we show? He goes, you show one of my films. I won't be attending. And I said, what would you like to see? And he said, without hesitation, Cary Grant. And I said, and is there a Cary Grant movie?

And before I could finish that, he goes, talk of the town. Do you know that? You know it? Of course, it's a great movie. So you know what it's about. Yeah. Tell the people. No, you tell them.

It's Cary Grant and what's her name? Let me just look it up because I don't want to be disrespectful. But what happens is it's a lighthearted comedy and this is in the 50s, this movie, and then she gets an abortion. That's right.

And that's the title of the film, Talk of the Town. Can you imagine in the 1950s? You couldn't do that movie today. No. No, you'd be in a lot of trouble. Talk of the Town. Yeah, it's Gene Arthur and Ronald Coleman as well.

Okay, so that movie's phenomenal. I recommend it to people. Right. So interesting and so funny. And when the movie's over, he leads a discussion of the movie for the 25 people that are in my house watching this movie. That's great. It was very special thing to have happen.

Really special. I also, before the movie, I always show a music thing. And I said to him, do you know who, have you seen Beyonce? He says, what is a Beyonce? And I put on the song, the famous song. Single Ladies? Yeah, Single Ladies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He is leaning forward with his jaw hanging open, laughing, like he's seen the greatest thing he's ever seen in his life. I have to say my reaction when I first saw it was very similar. Cut to now, after Raymond. Someone presents me with a good idea for a show that has older people in it and younger people together. I say, this is great. They say, you see it as a show? Yes.

You want to take it out and try to sell it to the networks? I say, no, because I've been through this now for many years and I know what the networks will say. Can the younger people move in with younger, hotter people? They don't want the old people. But I said, but let's try it at the BBC, and let's call my friend, because he should be the lead in this thing. He had just done Venus.

Remember that movie? I do, because he was on the late night show promoting it. How great was he in that? Oh, my God my god i mean here he is an older i know the comedy chops are still phenomenal even the physical stuff it was one of the actors in that movie you know leslie phillips who was also in that movie he plays his friend in the movie at the end when she says oh he was gorgeous when she's looking at the obituary. And he goes, yes, he was gorgeous. That actor, he was in a movie of mine years ago as well. They were a wonderful generation of actors. Amazing.

And he, Leslie Phillips, who died recently, he was, I think, 100, Leslie, when he died. Wow. But he didn't drink like Pete. But I'm telling you, a gift to the world be peter o'toole just sitting here and talking about whatever he wants to talk about unbelievable for an hour it doesn't matter every week just there's peter o'toole you're having a uh a drink with him or just uh chatting with him just would be a gift we write the script yeah they say okay uh will mr o'toole read? I said, read? Read like audition? Yes.

Peter O'Toole? Yes. Are you out of your mind? I said, here's his audition. Lawrence of Arabia is his audition. The ruling class. Yes. Oh, man.

Stuntman. What's new, Pussycat? Stuntman. Yeah. My favorite year. Yeah, my favorite year. Perfect example. If you want to cast him in a

sitcom yeah or venus god damn it they were afraid that he was old yeah i said i can't i'm not asking peter o'toole to read you can ask him well they didn't they know what do you know what bothers me a lot about this town is especially when i talk this was the bbc yeah well there that's part of this town okay you know what I mean it's like this town I mean the business yes what bothers me about it

is I talk to so many creatives and they talk to me about shows that didn't happen that's right and it drives me crazy because they sound so great they sound good

they sound great why do you think I'm in the food and travel business yeah but Phil I've got to say to you we've got to wrap things up I've got to say to you

I would like to hear your voice outside of the food arena. I mean, you're, it's great, but it would be nice to see a sitcom or a comedy show come out of that head of yours. I know it's there. It's not for lack of trying. Oh, really? Still? Well, I mean, it's a terrible business. You proved it.

It means nothing. I think that the business changed greatly in the nine years we were doing Raymond. Yeah. And so when we graduated from that,

all they wanted were young pretty people in shows. Yeah. Which is, you know, as good a show as Friends is and was,

Sure. the business got the wrong lesson from it. Right. They thought that, oh, just cast pretty people. Yeah, but Friends has got a lot more going on than that. But Friends proves the exception to the rule. Exactly.

But the writing that Mark was doing on that show, that's incredible. Mark Hoffman was doing on that show. Of course. It's great work. They were great, well-crafted shows with a great writer's room. But you had this casting that was also great. Yeah, they were great work. They were great, well-crafted shows with a great writer's room. But you had this casting that was also great. Yeah, they were great.

And God doesn't often give with both hands. You don't go to the pretty people usually for comedy. Why? Because pretty people never have to develop a sense of humor. That's right. They haven't had to do it. You have to look like me to develop a sense of humor. Or me. I get it.

But here's the thing. I think that I remember Raymond was out. I was on the Drew Carey show, remember, when Raymond started. And we were, on the Drew Carey show, we were the less aesthetically pleasing cast than the Friends. It was funny. It was a funny show. And I remember you guys shot in's a funny show and I remember

we you guys show in the Warner Brothers lot I remember because Ray used to combine it I remember because he was becoming a big star and as well I always stuck with me and I would say it to him when he was on the old late night show because it really stuck with me I watched the guy go from nobody knew he was right to be a big star, no discernible change in behavior. Do you know how fucking rare that is? You know what he says? What?

I'm the same guy. He is the same guy. He was amazing. My cab driver used to hate me. Now my limo driver hates me. Yeah. But it's interesting because it's so, I don't even know if I can say that about myself. Sometimes when I went through successes, I think I became a bit douchey.

But with Ray, I think that... Well, he had a very healthy case of neuroticism. Yeah. But he was a perfect neurotic, I always said, because he only hurt himself. Yeah. We meet a lot of neurotics in the business who lash out and hurt everybody else. You don't want to work with them. But Ray was always a pleasure to work with.

And the only thing that might have been difficult was convincing him that he was good. Yeah. And to relax and enjoy it. Yeah. It's hard to enjoy it when you're Ray. When you're nuts. He always says,

if my father hugged me once, I wouldn't have to do this. You know Lewis Black? Yeah, he's great. He's amazing. So I was talking to Lewis recently on the program and on the show and I said to him, my wife's theory about stand-up comedians, which is every stand-up comedian has the same mother, cold with bad boundaries. Wow.

And so I say that to Lewis and he goes, oh my God, two things. One, how did you get to meet such a smart woman? Yeah. And two, let me tell you this. His mom had just died. She was 104. He said, I don't think we looked each other in the eye until she was on her deathbed. Wow. Wow. And it goes to your point about pretty people not having to develop comedy. Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's developed, it's born out of something. It's born out of something. It's born out of something. I mean, that line about if my dad hugged me once, that's really if you got enough love at home,

maybe you wouldn't need it outside of home. But we all look for it. We all, in different ways. Well, you know what? It's worked out okay for you and Ray. And for you. Yeah, and for me. You're right.

I can't tell you how much I want to congratulate you on Just Try It. Thank you. You and your daughter doing a book to get children to eat their food and adults. Just try it. Have an open mind. If you can open a mouth, you can open a mind. Right. And congratulations on that Netflix show because that really is a wonderful show.

Thank you, my friend. It's a wonderful show. I appreciate it. You're doing great work. I want people to know I'm doing my live tour. Oh, you are? Yeah, where I did it last year and it was so much fun

that I'm doing it again this year. 25 cities. Is it like, do you have a website or something people go to? philrosenthalworld.com There you go. Or the Instagram.

philrosenthalworld.com That's it. And then all the dates and stuff are there. They're all there. It. There you go. Or the Instagram. PhilRosenthalWorld.com. That's it. And then all the dates and stuff are there. They're all there. It starts in April. I can't wait. I love meeting the people. Go and see Phil.

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