Joy, a Podcast. Hosted by Craig Ferguson - Wendie Malick

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

This week on JOY, we have one of Craig’s classiest friends, the beloved American actress Wendie Malick.  Wendie, amongst other things, is the voice of Beatrice Horseman, the mother of BoJack on Netflix's animated psychological comedy/drama, BoJack Horseman. Listen to these two catch up with one another and talk life, work and so much more. enJOY!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Northampton, Massachusetts. Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. Boston, Massachusetts. Two shows at the Wilbur. This weekend, August 7th through August 9th. Get your tickets now at thecraigfergusonshow.com slash tour or don't. My name is Craig Ferguson. This podcast is called Joy. It's not rocket science. I talk to people I like about their pursuit of happiness. Here's Wendy Malick, a beloved American actress who, amongst other things, is the voice of BoJack Horseman's mom. She's one of my classier friends. Enjoy.

Hey, I haven't seen you since I was watching Owl House on the Disney channel. Oh, did you catch it before it ended? Did it end? Sadly, yes. It was cancelled? I think Disney got nervous because we had a girl kissing a girl on that show. That's some of my favorite stuff is girls kissing girls.

I'm sure it is. Why did they not want that? Because Disney could use that, couldn't they? Well, I think Disney could branch out a little more, as you know. Well, are they making any money? I think they've lost money recently. Have they really? I think so.

They could probably lose a little bit and be okay. I was just talking to someone about that this morning. You're famously immensely wealthy, right? I don't have a castle. Well, the castle that I live in, to be fair, is about the same price. It's full of leaks and it needs to be totally replumbed.

Well, yeah, they do. But also, you couldn't get an apartment in New York for the price of my cask. Wow, that's true. Yeah, so it's not- You have a lot of space there in Scotland. Yeah, I like a lot of- And very few people.

You live on a lot of land, though. How much land do you have at your house? 50 acres. That's plenty. That's fine. It's a lot for here, although it's almost entirely unusable. Very, very steep up and down. Is it fiery?

Do you get fires near your house? Is it fiery? It's vulnerable to fires, yeah. Because we abut the state park. So we have a lot of fuel out there. And our nearest neighbor is a quarter mile away. So, yeah. Have you been affected by the fires out there?

Of course. I think everybody here has. And you've got horses too. Do you have a horse transport thing? We have a two-horse trailer, which doesn't do you much good if you have four horses and a donkey. Now, do you have four horses and a donkey or three horses and a donkey? Now we have three. I forgot.

Okay. Because I thought, wait a minute. You told me. We have three and a half animals and dogs. Have you always been a horsey person? No, no. I mean, I lived in New York for 17 years before I moved here. And as a kid, I did those trail rides where the only time you go fast is when you're on the way back to the bar.

Yeah, they're barely horses, those things. And you follow the person in front of you. It's kind of like, yeah. Have you ever done the one up in the Hollywood Hills? Uh-huh. Oh, my God. That is so, when you see people, you walk up the hills, you see people in the back of them, they're just like, what the hell is this?

He can dress it up, but you can't teach him how to ride. No, I didn't start until I was 40 when I moved to Topanga. I think that, first of all, I'm surprised to hear that you're over 40. And also, I'm older than you are. No. You have to show me some respect. Really? You're no older than me. I'm not going to ask you, but you'm older than you are you have to show me some respect really? you're no older than me I'm not going to ask you but you're no older than me

nobody's older than me I am definitely in my third act well into my third act do you worry about it? what are you going to do? I know but worry is something that you do even if there is nothing to do.

That's why I keep busy. So I don't have time to worry too much. What do you do? You go out and clean the horses and stuff? That's part of it. Yeah. Absolutely. My wife does that all the time.

I know. I need to meet your wife. Yeah, you do. I think that shoveling shit is a very relaxing Zen exercise. Yeah. I've never found it particularly appealing whenever I've had to do it. Do you have dogs as well?

Yes. What kind of dogs? Now we have a shepherd. I think she's a, what does she call them? Malinois? Yeah. Yeah, I know who it is. Belgian Malinois.

But she's a rescue, but she's like a greyhound shepherd mix. She's really fast, has a long, thin tail, really long legs. Yeah, kind of like you a little bit. Kind of like me. Actually, we do look alike. I'll show you a picture later. I look very much like her.

I mean, I would never say you wear a Malinois, but if I had to. Why the long face? If I was looking for a voice of a Malinois in a cartoon I was doing, I'd be like, I wonder if Wendy's available because she's got that. I would totally do it. Yeah, I think you should. Yeah. So have you been doing a lot of that cartoon voicey stuff?

Yeah. Because you have got a very sexy voice. Yeah, I do. Yeah, you do. Right now, I sound like I'm under water. You do. You have a sexy voice. It's low.

Actually, Laura San Giacomo years ago said, did you ever do voiceovers or do cartoons, stuff like that? And I thought, you know, I did some commercials when I was starting out in New York and figured, well, I don't have to do those anymore. I think I'm going to bag it. And she said, no, you really should. They're really kind of fun. And I got this great Cadillac commercial right out of the box

and started doing animated stuff. And I love it. Cadillac commercial right out of the box and started doing animated stuff. And I love it. I love to just work with my voice. Yeah, it is nice. I like doing it as well. I mean, some of it is just a lot of screaming and stupid shit. Would they call it Wallah? When you have to go...

They bring people in to do Wallah. You don't do your own Wallah? I don't do my own Wallah. No, I don't. But some of them are way more fun than others. I bring people in to do wallop. You don't do your own wallop? I don't do my own wallop. Oh my God. No, I don't. Dude, that is so fancy. But some of them are way more fun than others. I mean, for me, BoJack Horseman, I played his mother. I know.

To me, that's the greatest animated series of all time. I think it's so brilliant. And the art direction is so insanely good. And you can watch them three or four times and see new stuff. I think it's so densely animated and gorgeous and funny and heartbreaking. And they gave me this amazing thing to do in the last season where you found out why I was such a witch. Yeah, you were evil.

You were an evil character. But I had a horrible childhood. You personally didn't have a horrible childhood. No, I had a really good one. Yeah. That's weird that you would become a performer and a successful performer and have a happy childhood. I don't think that's common. Betty White did.

Yeah, that's true. But when Betty, I mean, Betty, who we both knew and loved, but when Betty was a child, you know, it was a different time. There were like, they'd just come up with a wheel. They just came up with television, that's for sure. Well, they actually hadn't. Because I remember... Oh, right. And she was doing radio and theater before TV.

Right, she predated television. Yeah, that's true. I remember because I was so sad. Well, obviously, when Betty passed, it was very sad. She loved you too. Oh, I adored her. You know, she was the first person I worked with when I came to Hollywood you're kidding yeah she had just come off the golden palace which was the one after the golden girls god I missed that yeah it wasn't the palace didn't work it wasn't the

worst thing she did because the worst thing she did was the one she did after the golden palace yeah it was a show called maybe this time maybe it not. It was me, Betty White, and Marie Osmond. Oh, my. Yeah. But you know what? You know, in my wildest dreams, I can't imagine that cast. You, Betty White, and Marie Osmond. You know, actually, both of those women, I love them both, and I still do.

They were both great to me. They were both fabulous. Marie had some personal stuff that I don't connect to in the same way, religion-y wise, but it's her thing. Religion-y wise. But she's very earthy, kind of like funny person. And Betty, of course, is just forcing it. How long did you guys do Hot in Cleveland?

I think it was six years. God, that was a great show to do. It was such a gift and so utterly unexpected. Yeah? You know, for, well, you realize, you look around and how many series are anchored by women

over 50. Yeah, I guess. And we were like 50, 60, 90. So pretty crazy. It was the best smelling set I've ever been on in my life. There was that kind of, when you, like, there was lavender near Betty and then there was the more exotic perfumes. It was you and Valerie and Jane.

Mine was Egyptian musk. Now, you are Egyptian, right? Yeah, a quarter. Or you have Egyptian heritage? A quarter. I think that's fascinating. Have you been to Egypt? No, and I was invited by my grandfather, but he was a Pentecostal minister and way too strict, so I didn't go with him.

Right. But I do need to. I've been to Africa many times, but never to Egypt. I'd like to go to Egypt. Perhaps we could go together. Maybe we'll go. Well, Megan is the name of the woman I'm married to. So I've heard. Right.

So Megan and I were talking about maybe doing a Nile cruise. I know. I think that would be really fascinating. You go down the Nile and you can see the pyramids and stuff, but you're still on your own little bit. But nobody can touch you or talk to you. Yeah, I see. I quite like that. I'm not good at mixing. Hi, Craig Ferguson will be hitting the road again this summer and fall,

bringing the Fancy Rascal Tour to your region. For tickets and full list of tour dates, go to my website, thecraigfergusonshow.com slash tour. Come see me live or don't. Meet the real woman behind the tabloid headlines in a personal podcast that delves into the life of the notorious Tori Spelling as she takes us through the ups and downs of her sometimes glamorous, sometimes chaotic life and marriage. I don't think he knew how big it would be, how big the life I was given and live is. I think he was like, oh yeah, things come and go.

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Yep. Right, okay. Oh, yeah. Did you go up to Canada a lot? Every summer. Every summer. We had a summer house on Lake Erie. See, so you were wealthy.

Ontario. You were a wealthy family? No, no, no. I grew up in a very middle-class family. My grandparents, my grandfather did quite well and was able to retire early. This is not the Pentecostal minister. No, no, no. This is the fun one.

He had a hotel and restaurants. And they built that house the year I was born on the beach. And it was, three sides of it were a Carolinian forest. And the front was just sand dunes going down to this beautiful beach. And the water was right there. Do you have siblings? Yeah, a brother and a sister. So you guys were just swallows and Amazons around there?

Oh, you could just be free all day and play. Oh, that's lovely. And the woods, my mother always called it a cathedral of trees and that to this day is kind of my church, trees. So you're not a Pentecostal Coptic Christian or anything like that? No. I'm a nature advocate. Are you religious still? No, no, but I would say spiritual.

Yeah, no, I just, I rejected all of it for years. But as I get older, I find myself hedging my bets a little more. So do you go to church? I built one. Near the castle? There was an old building in the place where I live in Scotland, and it was derelict. And during the lockdown, I didn't have anything to do. So I thought, I think that was a church, and I'm going to put it back. So I went on YouTube, and there's very little...

I thought about how to build a church. How to renovate a church. But I'm not religious at all but I thought it probably should be a church if there's a if there was an old estate like this so I put it back and I painted it. Do you go in and meditate? I do

I'm not churchy but I like I don't invite other people in but I bought church pews from a place that Salvage Yard. The guys that were delivering it said, this isn't a bar. I went, no. They said, we've never delivered church pews to a church before. They usually take them out of churches and put them in bars, but I had bought them and I put them in.

And it looks just like a little Scottish church. Do you have stained glass windows? No, we're from a different flavor. We're stained glass windows. That's probably a little too Catholic-y. Yeah, it's a little imagery-wise. I mean, they do it in Protestant churches. They do.

And actually, I don't. But I will be honest with you, I have ordered some. But just tiny little ones, like window panes. It's not a giant cathedral it's a tiny wee building with some pews in it like a chapel yeah oh no i think you don't think of doing that in your place i think that's lovely what i do if i may share it with you yes please that's why i'm here yeah have you ever been to big sir yes i have okay we we did a a retreat there a tai chi retreat retreat. You do Tai Chi?

At Esalen. I didn't, I mean, I'd had a little training, but I didn't really know what I was doing. But a year ago, Thanksgiving, we went for a Tai Chi retreat class thing with this Chinese master. And one of the things we did was this morning salutation to the sunrise. And we'd all gather on this cliff and watch the sun come up behind the mountain. And he taught us just some basic moves of welcoming the day. And it's a gratitude ritual. So, I now do that every morning. Do you really? I do it when I want my dog, first thing. And when I'm out just looking at the mountains and the beauty, I sort of say thank you, and I take in energy that I need

and send out healing or forgiveness or peace or whatever it is I want to sort of send into the world. And then gratitude for what remains, including my own body. Well, it's... Because it's not quite what it used to be. I don't know. Look, I know that it's not allowed to comment on people's appearance, but yours is spectacular. Oh, you may say that. Yeah, well, then it is, though.

But I mean, things like arthritis and the knees don't have a lot of cartilage left, stuff like Yeah. You were doing modeling. Were you very self-conscious? Because whenever I've talked to... Megan, my wife, did modeling when she was young as well. She's still young, obviously. But always, always young. Forever young. Yeah. But she's very critical of herself. Are you like that?

I certainly was when I started because I knew what my good side was. I just was very self-conscious about how to stand, how to move. My smile is crooked, which I am really aware of. I think there was a time, it's probably during Dream On, which was in 1990, I think we shot the pilot, where I went from being the straight woman for Brian Ben-Ben to being a real character actress. I was a neurotic psychologist. And they found that I was funny and they let me run with it. And that was a huge gift because I didn't have to be perfect.

I didn't have to be ingenue-like. And I never really was. I was always sort of the... Did you feel like it was... That's an overused word. But the environment for models, I think, is very tough. But I don't know what it's like because I'm not a model and I never have been, but whenever I talk to male or female people who've done it, it's a very kind of abusive almost environment. People are so mean to each other.

There's nothing to back up this. This is kind of what you've got to offer. So no matter how interesting you are, talented in other ways, it really is all about your face and your body. And when that's all you have to go on, you can really lose your mind, I think. Yeah, I think so. Did you lose your mind when you were doing it? No, because I never started. I mean, I went to New York to act after college and I was making like $75 a week and having to waitress on the side.

And someone came up to me in Times Square and asked me if I'd ever modeled. Wow. And it worked out okay? Because I think someone said that to me once in Times Square and it went very badly. And it was for a different kind of magazine. He said, you should come meet Will Amino, which I did.

And I just took five years because I wanted to travel. I have huge wanderlust and I couldn't afford to do it until I became a model. So then I ended up living in Paris for a year. And I went all over the world shooting because I got tan in a day because of the Egyptian background. And I had a blast. But I knew it was just for temporary that I was going to go back to acting, which I did when I was 30. Right. So because I guess a model, it's kind of that kind of thing you're describing.

Then, certainly, your career is over as a model. I mean, there are models out there that have been doing it for 25 years, and they look amazing. I think now it's a little different. I mean, you could do a modeling campaign right now. Road hard and put away wet. No, no. Although that is a good name for a brand, I think. Road hard jeans.

You could put them away wet. They'll come out the next day looking great. So you went back to, did you come to LA after that then? Or did you go back to New York? I went back to, did you come to LA after that then? Or you used to go back to New York? I went back to New York and was there until, well, my ex-husband and I, we had a place in the village and we're there from 82 to 89, I guess.

And we're going back and forth a lot. He's the screenwriter. But then I got a job here and a series, my first one. Was that Dream On? No, actually it was called Trauma Center. I was a doctor, Dr. Bridget Blaine. Oh my God, I wish. See, Trauma Center,

they don't make enough of that kind of thing anymore. Half the time I had a mask on, so it was all about the eyes. It reminded me of all the nurses during the pandemic who all got those eyelashes because that's the only thing they had to do in the morning to sort of get ready for the day. Did you notice how strange, by the way, it was? After the pandemic, you'd have worked with people. Well, you didn't work during the pandemic, so you probably don't know.

But I would see the same people every day on sets and the medical, the people who would test you. And I knew them all by their eyes. But then every once in a while, you'd be outside and somebody would take their mask off. And it was just so shocking. It was like Mr. Potato Head. Sometimes it didn't match. Yeah, or it was like someone taking their pants off or something. You're like, I saw the full face, nose, lips, everything.

No, it was a revelation. Yeah, I know. It was weird how I saw the full face, nose, lips, everything. No, it was a revelation. Yeah, I know. It was weird how it quickly went. And that's if you wore masks. Some people didn't wear them because they... Didn't believe. Do you want to go down that road? Boy, you have a lot of tattoos.

I don't think I've ever seen your arms before. Well, I used to mask them up when I was on Hot in Cleveland because... It wasn't appropriate for the housekeeper. Nobody wants to see a bunch of... When you were in drag, it wouldn't have worked. Yeah, I did do some drag work. You were a Mrs. Doubtfire. That's right. I think that would get me in trouble now, wouldn't it?

Or people are angry at drag queens. I'm not a drag queen, but I did my best. And certainly there were drag queens helping me. You were charming. Thank you. I did my very best. I always felt, and I, but I did my best. And certainly there were drag queens helping me. You were charming. Thank you. I did my very best. I always felt, and I've had to in my life, dress up as a lady for various different roles.

And whenever I dress up as a lady, I look more like a guy. It's a very reverse. You wouldn't transition well. No. No, it's not for me. You have fabulous hair, though. Thank you. Have you ever dressed? You, I's not for me. Yeah, fabulous hair though. Thank you. And so do you. Have you ever, you I think could maybe be a drag queen. Well, I think you could pull off

androgyny a little bit. I mean, you're very beautiful. I totally do. Yeah. I mean, I love to wear men's suiting. Yeah, I think that would be a good look for you. Did you play around with that when you were younger? Well, my best friend was a boy until I was 12, Johnny Prusesky. And we used to play John and Mary, pioneer family. And we each had little BB guns and stuff. And we slept out in a fort together and stuff like that. I was actually going a bit later. I was thinking in New York, but you went to 12 years old with Johnny as a pioneer family. That's good. Did you guys have children? No, no, we didn't have children. It wasn't about the sex.

It was all about the adventure. No, no, no, I didn't mean that. I just meant, did you have children as a pioneer family? No, no, no kids. We didn't have time because we were too busy defending our fort. Oh, against imaginary invaders. Okay, I get it. So you came out to LA and you started working here.

And the dream one was that, what was the name of your character in Trauma Center again? Bridget Blaine. Bridget Blaine. All right. You probably know some Bridget Blaine. Yeah. I've had some Bridget Blaine jobs over the years as well.

It was pretty silly, but it was my first regular gig. I missed that kind of thing. I was very excited. I thought LA, when would this be? The 80s? 90s? So it's 1990, I think 1980, I think I got that job in 84, 85, something like that. Because I remember LA, and I moved here in the mid-90s,

and I always thought LA was, for a town as big as it is, it was kind of like sleepy in an odd way. It was quiet. And certainly people who were working all went home at 8 o'clock at night or earlier. It's such an early time. There is a sector

of LA that is the clubs and stuff like that. They're not working. They don't have to get up the next morning. They're not going to the set at 6 o'clock in the morning. But it's not like New York where you can go out to dinner at 10 o'clock. No, I can't do that now anyway. I get acid reflux.

Yeah. I sat next to a very attractive woman at a wedding about six months ago and we were just chatting and I said, oh, it's so funny. Like back in the day,

we would have both had drugs and she went, yeah. And then she brought out antacid tablets and I had antacid tablets. We both had antacid. Let's have some Pepsis. We both had stuff for acid reflux.

But, you know, time moves on. Oh, no. I have friends who say, do you want to do a blue hair dinner tonight at 5.30? 5.30. I love it. But I need to have four hours before I lie down or I'm... Yeah, yeah. And it's also...

Here, I think you're much more in tune with nature. So you get up when the sun comes up and... Out there in... In the Santa Monica Mountains. The Santa Monica Mountains. Yeah, it's lovely out there. It's beautiful. No, I call it my nearest faraway place.

It is. Don't you hate the commute coming in, though? Do you drive yourself? Yeah, I like to drive. Yeah, I know't you hate the commute coming in, though? Do you drive yourself? Yeah. I like to drive. Yeah, I know. I think if you live in L.A., you're going to have to. Because you know what one of my joys is?

Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, thanks, pal. Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite things is finding music and blasting it, which is why I don't like people to be in the car with me very often. Right. Because I listen to it pretty loud.

What do you listen to? What kind of music? I have very eclectic taste. But right now I'm listening to this song, this Sting song, She Walks Upon the Earth. It's a little bit of a salsa rhythm. It's some Brazilian guy I think wrote it. But that's my latest addition to my playlist. And when I'm driving and I hear a great song, that just brings me so much joy, I can't tell you.

So I love to drive and listen to music. But you're quite solitary then. It seems to me that you quite like your own company. You're out there doing slow kung fu in the morning, and then just you and the Malinois, and then you like to drive on your own. I like to drive on my own, but then I like to get to the place where I get to hang out with people I like. And then I get to go and play when I arrive. Does it still hold, like

acting is still fun then? It's still playing? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to ever stop. I don't think I could do what you did and go off for two years and live in a castle where it rains every day. I don't think I could do that well you'd end up building a church is what happens actually I might become a nun you never know you'd be a great nun I played a nun in a movie

in what movie? what was it called? I think I've seen you as a nun Big Show who was a big wrestler in the WW really? a wrestling nun movie? God, I feel like I must have seen it. He was in an orphanage.

He was an oversized orphan. Right. And I was the head nun in it. Was it The Rock? Was The Rock as an orphan? It wasn't The Rock. His name was Big Show. That was his name?

His name was Big Show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big Show was the wrestler. Yeah. And I just don't need to go any further. No, I think you do. But I played a nun. You played the nun in the orphanage.

And Big Show was an orphan and then went on to wrestle, I guess. I don't know. You didn't see the movie? I missed that one. You know, I have to say, I have done movies I haven't seen. And I have no interest in seeing. I know. And maybe I'll just want

to see my scene, but that's enough. Yeah. Sometimes when you, be honest, when you get a script, you just look at your lines and go, yeah, yeah, I do that all the time. That's why I was very surprised, especially with voiceover stuff. When I did the How to Train Your Dragon movies, I went to the premiere. I was like, this is really good. Oh, you had no idea what the story was about. It was like me going, oh, hi, hi, hi, oh, hi. And then I was like, oh, this is really good. Oh, you had no idea what the story was about. No, no, it was just me going, oh, aye, ah, oh, aye. And then I was like, oh, this is a good movie. I'm really pleased. Yeah.

Because usually, with the exception of Hot in Cleveland and a couple of other things, mostly what I'm in is garbage. Do you think that? So did you have aspirations to do something a little meatier? Yeah, I think so at the beginning. Did you ever do, like, were you ever classically trained? No, no, no, Yeah, I think so. At the beginning. Did you ever do, like, were you ever classically trained?

No, no, no, no. Nothing like that. But I kind of, I think at the beginning, before I knew how the sausage was made, I was like, oh, I want to

really act, like, really do some serious acting. Then you meet some serious actors and you go, this guy's a fucking dick. I can't take this. I think I want to go laugh instead. Yeah, oh my God. It was some serious actors and you go, this guy's a fucking dick. I can't take this.

I think I want to go laugh instead. Yeah, oh my God. It's like people like, you know, squinting into the light and that quizzical look and being very worried

about how you're... Yeah, very angst ridden. Oh my God. There's a lot of that, especially for men. A lot of that. Yeah, a lot of, looks like it's going to rain.

Looks like it's going to rain. Yeah, a lot of mumbly, mumbly kind of acting. I'd like to do a Western. I would like rain. Looks like it's going to rain. Yeah, a lot of mumbly. I'd like to do a Western. I would like to. Have you done a Western? I would too. I'd love to do a Western.

We could do Pioneering Family. Okay, let's think about it. No, I'm not sensing a huge deal of enthusiasm for you. No, no, no. I'd love to. I mean, I can ride still. Right. And I should do it before I can't.

Do you know Bill Shatner? He was on Hot in Cleveland. Oh, of course he was. He was Valerie's neighbor, I think. Right. And I should do it before I can't. Do you know Bill Shatner? He was on Hot in Cleveland. Oh, of course he was. He was Valerie's neighbor, I think. Right. Bill didn't start riding horses until he was 50.

Yeah, well, I was 40. Yeah. I think that's why he's still healthy and, you know, moving around. Healthy-ish. Well, not in his brain,

but I think he'd be the first to admit it. He's fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's crazy and angry, but he's a lot of fun if you get on the right side of him. Yeah, yeah. No, he is fun. Yeah, he is fun.

He's Canadian. A lot of Canadians are fun. You know, people say they're- No, come on. No, people say they're part woods. The fun ones moved here. That's what happened. Enrico Colantoni.

Okay. Have you ever like interviewed him no one of the most hilarious brilliant fabulous he was on Just Shoot Me With Me he was the bald guy

the photographer oh yeah he was amazing amazing actor and a fabulous human being Jim Carrey Jim Carrey well

Mike Myers so that proves your point Catherine O'Hara Catherine O'Hara is great who's hilarious was she ever in Haunted Cleveland?

Mm-mm. No. Haunted Cleveland to me seemed like it was a really good place to meet people that you were in awe of. Totally, totally. Not just the cast, but the guest stars. Yeah. I remember George Takei was there one day. I was like, and he said, can I have a selfie with you?

I was like, yes, you can, George Takei. My favorite was when Carol Burnett came and she played my mother. And I'd grown up watching her show on Saturday night. Was that the... Because funny woman. She was... Were you drawn to comedy right away? Yeah. Yeah. My favorite thing that brings me great joy... Thank you for doing that is when you get to dive into

something that's really well written and you get to be human with all of that that entails so i think frazier did it really well right frazier was a comedy where they also allowed for people to go into a dark place and to have a serious moment that was earned. And it didn't have to always end on some sort of yucky, you know, sticky laughter. Yeah, but a very special. But it was a really smart group of writers. Yeah. They're rebooting it, I think, aren't they?

They're going to make a new Frasier? Yeah, but it's not anything like nobody from the old. But Kelsey's not in it? Kelsey's the only one in it, I think. Oh, Jane's not in it? No, no. Oh, that's crazy. Nor Perry, nor David. So, yeah, but that was a fun one to work on.

But I'm working right now on an Apple TV show, Shrinking. Have you seen it? I've not seen it yet, but is that the one with Harrison Ford and Jason Segel? And you probably know Jessica Miller, who's so great. He was on The Daily Show.

She was a correspondent. I don't know Jessica Miller, but I do know Jason Segel. Tall, black, hilarious woman. I play Harrison's neurologist. Nice. And we end up having a thing. Sexy time with Harrison Ford? Uh-huh.

That's all right. It's all right. And it was so much fun to work with him, for one thing, because he's a doll. Yeah, he was on the old Late Night Show. He was a lot of fun. He's great. He's really great. Yeah. He's like real curmudgeonly, but he's actually really funny. Yeah, it's that funny

thing where he's cranky. I told him he was like an old, he was like my favorite old pair of jeans, and that's the highest compliment I could pay a man. But that show allows you to go into some darker places it's the same people who did ted lasso and you know which is just a wonderful it just sort of covers the whole spectrum of of human behavior and so people can find joy and sorrow and all of it and and as actors getting a chance to play in that kind of a playground is is much more gratifying than just doing straight comedy if there's no underlying thing.

You earn your laughs much more when you let people in to see your vulnerabilities. Well, I think that draws me more than just shtick. But the idea of even this podcast was all about, I hate the word podcast. It feels like- I know. Let's find a different word. A radio program. Radio program. This radio program that goes on computers and phones. No, the whole idea behind these conversations is that I wanted to talk to people, not necessarily about joy, but that had a positive impact on me people that i liked oh really is that why you invited me yeah i like you oh i don't want to invite people or

if i don't know them like you i know because we work together and i liked you and i still like you even although when you come in you said, oh, you've gained a few pounds. It's only because I care about you. No, because I speak LA and you've gained a few pounds means, my God, what the fuck is happening to you? What have you been doing in the rain in Scotland? Oh my God, you've been sitting in Scotland eating pies. Haggis. I don't eat the haggis much.

You invited me once to, my husband and I were going to be in England and you said, if you come up to Scotland, I'll feed you some haggis. That remains open. But I will never eat haggis. I barely eat fish anymore. Yeah, but I would have some of your salmon if it's fresh. Oh yeah, I would go about

salmon. But I tell you what, McSween's vegetarian haggis? Oh, yeah, you may make that face, but I'm telling you, it's great. But see, I don't like any of that plant-based stuff that's supposed to taste like meat. It's not meant to taste like meat. I don't like it. It's vegetarian haggis, and it predates plant-based stuff, even although it's plant-based. It predates plants, is what I'm saying. It's made of dinosaurs.

It's dinosaur meat, which counts as… Freeze-dried. Yeah, it's freeze-dried dinosaur meat. It's vegetarian haggis from McSween's in Edinburgh. It's delicious. No? How about I just come and we have salmon? Yeah, you can have salmon as well.

They go to church. I'll show you the wee church. You'd be like, this isn't a church, this is a building. Call it the wee church. It is the wee church. I love that. Yeah. No, it's a chapel.

No, chapel sounds a little... Oh, it's bigger than a chapel. No, no, no, no. It's small. I mean, it's about the size of maybe the room we're in right now. Oh, that's a chapel. Is that a chapel? Right, well, it's a little It's small. I mean, it's about the size of maybe the room we're in right now. Oh, that's a chapel. Is that a chapel? Right. Well, it's a little chapel and you can go in there. Go into the chapel.

You're not getting married in there. Now, but the thing is, I used knows from like boarding school. I mean, she's 21 and she three times has run into people in Paris and Amsterdam. That's very cool. And she said, can you believe it? And I said, you know, I really do think there's a master plan to all of this. I don't think these things are accidents. I think that a lot of this is an unfolding script that's already been written. I think that that's right. And I think that you can choose to believe. It's almost like you can choose to be positive. You can choose to believe or you can dismiss it as it's all random and chaotic, which is, they're both equally unprovable.

So you might as well. I mean, I remember I was talking to a friend of mine who's very devout, I suppose. And he said, look, if I get to the other side after all of this and somebody or nothing happens or somebody says, no, you got it totally wrong. What does it matter? I had a good time. I liked it. It made me feel better.

And I kind of, I'm impressed by that. Also the idea, because atheism is so didactic and religious as a stance, it's fundamentalism. I don't do well with that. And also you're saying Einstein, wrong. Socrates, wrong. Just as a stance, it's fundamentalism. I don't do well with that. Yeah. And also you're saying Einstein, wrong. Socrates, wrong. Isaac Newton, wrong.

Plato, wrong. And on that note, I told you I lost my mom about three weeks ago. I'm very sorry to hear that. At 94, she had a great run and she was ready. Right, she was ready to go. And we were there at the end. She said to my brother at one point, she looked up and said, Oh, you kids are so darling to be here. I know you have lives of your own, and I'm sorry it's taking me so long to die.

That's amazing. But when she finally left, same thing happened with my dad. He waited for us. But I realized that, and if you've ever been around, I'd never been around a person when they actually passed, but I've been around many, many animals that we've had to put down over the years. And the second they go, the energy just goes whoosh. Yeah, they're gone. Because energy doesn't die. Yeah.

So whatever that soul or that spirit is that is in all of us, that continues somewhere, somehow, how I don't know. But it isn't a complete end of everything that was that person no I or that that that creature I think that's right I think also whenever you talk particularly with atheists who are you know it's kind of like people who are really into weed I'm like shut up about your atheism and your fucking weed. Shut up. I don't mind you having it. Just keep the stank of me. And do you smoke a lot of weed? On occasion. Well, you don't

smell of it, so well done. Oh, very rarely. But I do like a little chocolate at night, dark chocolate. I thought you were going to say peyote or something. I like a little acid on weekends only. Did you ever get into that? Did you ever get druggy for any length of time?

Sure. Really? Oh, yeah. What, cocaine, I suppose? No, I never liked coke. I'm wired enough. I like things that are chill. But I did love tripping when I was in college. Really? Oh, yeah. Acid? Oh, it was so much fun.

With a group of people that you knew and trusted and it was really, it was so much fun. With a group of people that you knew and trusted. And it was really, really fascinating and mind-blowing and kind of great. I'm quite surprised to hear you say that, that you were into psychedelics. Would you get to do it properly? You said together, we're all going to take this. This is a safe place. It was with people that we loved and we always could be in nature outside and total trust thing. Yeah, no, it was quite wonderful, but it just takes way too long to come back down from it.

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if I have a belief in a deity or a god i'm like you there's something it's not all knowable then i can't imagine that that deity that enormity would be worried about what i would wear when and who I would love and what you should read yeah and what I what words I say out loud like if one's got an f in the front or something it's like I don't get all the the pressure of all that's that's a people thing I think it's not a god thing no, and I think this whole kind of extremist sort of positioning on who you should love and what you should read. It's a real throwback.

It is a throwback. It seems like we're going back into the Stone Age or something. It's just not... It's funny because I think about that. You have a daughter who's 21. I have a son who's the same age, 21. That generation are much maligned by people of our generation. You know, calling them woke and calling them names, basically,

because they believe in a different way. And I fell into that trap a little bit myself, because I work in humor, and so I'm like, I should be able to say what I want. I know I get yelled at about pronouns sometimes. Yeah, pronouns yeah well you know if you change the rules that fast you gotta like give me a chance to catch up I mean but I think the thing is my son said to me well what do you want to say that you're not getting allowed to say I said well nothing I guess but I should be allowed to say what I said you can't say what you want but what do you want to say it's so objectionable i went i don't think there is anything but i think it's fear of getting older for a lot of people i

think the idea of calling younger people names is because you're afraid well and i think and i remember going back to when obama won the election okay and my mother who is a lovely person and doesn't have a mean or racist bone in her body, but she actually was thinking about voting for him, but she said, I'd never vote for Hillary. But my dad got to her and she ended up voting for Hillary. No. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh, she went the other way? Yeah, she went the other way. But afterwards, when Obama won, she said, you must be very happy. She knew I had gone out and canvassed and worked hard for him. And she said, well, I guess it's just hard for me because I don't recognize this country anymore. Because she was so accustomed to it being run by people who looked like her father, who were old white guys. And I think it was just such a change.

And she was worried that, and it was when we had the House and the Senate and Obama, you know, that brief period of time. And she said, I just want there to be more of a balance. And I feel like everything is changing so fast, I can't keep up. I think that's what age feels like sometimes. Yeah.

I think your mother's accurate in the sense of the sensation of it. But if you think back to your Pentecostal grandfather and how your life in Paris when you were a young woman, how different and terrifying that would have been to him. I think watching the youth is frightening because they don't need you. And at the same time, that's exactly what you help for. Exactly. It's the weird thing.

It's like when I look at, you know, as my younger son is only 12, and he needs me, but not as much as he needed me five years ago. And five years from now, he's going to need me even less. You know, and it's unnerving a little, I think, on a societal level as well. Like, America, of course, is changing. It is changing it is changing everything changes all the time

and I think that there is an idea that people have that it always gets better and I don't know if that's true we don't know

do we no are you a student of history at all are you a little yeah a little yeah

like looking at the circular way that history unfolds, that we go too far in one direction and then in another and then find our balance again. You know, I think in terms of the environmental stuff, that's the part that is the most chilling for me

because we don't have time to dick around with this stuff anymore. We don't. I think that the the environmental stuff fascinates me because it's such an emotional thing see i have a feeling that americans in particular but really everyone in the world but particularly americans are not political at all they're emotional and i think that the argument for in climate change right now is very high on everyone's emotional level but i think it's also an engineering problem and i think that that's a little different and what i mean is

i'm not like i'm not in any way saying that none of this is of course it exists but i think you must add to the emotion the engineering challenge of this and i'll tell you what I mean by it. In the early 1900s, there was a lot of fear in Victorian England, particularly in London, that if they didn't solve the horse problem, that London was actually going to be under about 20 foot of horseshit by 50 years. And of course, the engineering thing changed

and it's the whack-a-mole. We're not worried about horseshit, but now we're worried about fossil fuels. And so yes, the emotion drives the engineering, but there's also the engineering. I think there has to be, it's not just stopping carbon emissions is what I'm saying. It's like we have to do something to reverse the problem in the first place. I agree with you, but I think that it is now at the level where it is changing so rapidly and we are such pigs in this country in terms of our consumption. I mean, the States is the worst offender. Is it really?

Per capita? Definitely. the states is the worst offender. Is it really? Per capita? Yeah, really? Yeah. And you look at Africa, who I think it's like 5% of the pollution comes from the entire continent of Africa. And they're probably going to have the hardest, this will impact them the most drastically. Are you very involved in that world? What do you do with it?

How does an individual do that? I mean, because I find it hard to believe that if I put plastic in one container and vegetables in another, that it'll help Africa. Does it work? So I'm on the Environmental Media Association board. We just had a climate and impact summit last week. It was a three-day thing where different people who are trying to work on ways of solving this and a youth board, which we also have, sort of come together and figure out positive steps you can take going forward. But what it seems to always boil down to is consumption. And we are such huge consumers here. And breaking that kind of addiction is going to

be the biggest challenge. I have to say, if somebody told me, okay, you're not going to be able to drive anymore, you're going to have to take mass transit, what am I going to do about my music? I guess I'm going to have to put my earbuds in and just blast it that way. I'm being facetious, but I was sitting the other day when it was pouring rain and I was going to come and see you and it was just have any options. And we have so many options, but it's going to take those of us who do have those options to just sort of lead the charge if we're going to fundamentally change the way this is going and the direction we're going in. It's interesting because I, of course, agree with you. And I think that a lot, I think probably the majority of people would agree with you i think

that there is an emotional distrust out there of the system and how to do it i think a lot of people have lost faith and because there is no real news outlet that you can trust like none like i don't i still i still find npr comforting all right i uh i don't know i don't know i don't i still i still find npr okay comforting all right i uh i don't know i don't know i don't listen to enough npr but i like the idea of you being out there in the rainy house with the fire going on npr let's listen to the bbc yeah i don't you know i don't hold with the bbc anymore i mean i think the journalism is great but they've let you but they've let me down a couple of times. And I'm like, no, that's not what happened.

Or why didn't you report on that? Or, you know, it's like there is subject to pressure from outside sources as everyone else. You know what we might need? An alien invasion. That would certainly bring us all together. Yeah. Something that unifies you to realize you really do share this planet. Or maybe a giant comet.

Or a giant comet. An asteroid. A big asteroid coming towards us. I would prefer that it be not an invasion, but the aliens come. But they're far more wiser than we are. Yeah.

No one's going to hold us back. You know wiser than we are. Yeah. But no one's going to hold. You know, like E.T. or did you ever see The Day the Earth Stood Still? Yeah, of course. Which one? Gorp. Like Klaatu. You know, Klaatu Matiko.

Yeah. Now, you're talking the Brian. I'm talking the original one. Right. Michael Rennie. Michael Rennie, not Brian Rennie. I think Brian Rennie was the guy that I was at school with. Like, I was doing that. I don't remember being in that film.

Michael Rennie. Yeah. And then Keanu Reeves did a remake of it. Yeah. No, he can't remake that. Yeah, you can't remake that movie. I don't. Although, if you've got a chance of doing anything good, it's with Keanu Reeves.

Really? Yeah, I'm a big fan. Are you? Yeah, I am. Well. I... I should probably revisit him because I fell out of... In what movie?

What one? I don't know. I just, I found him not so interesting. You have to... Have you seen the John Wick movies? No. They're awesome.

Okay. They're like a dark Tom Cruise movie. Like, bad, violent, scary. That's why I haven't seen them. Yeah, I can't imagine that it's your thing. You know what? It's not really my thing either, but I watched one and I thought,

oh, you know what? That's awesome. I'm going to watch another one. Oh, I get it. It's like a guy thing. Yeah, a little bit. I remember somebody in New York years ago who was a writer on Saturday Night Live

in the early days, printed cards saying, violence is not entertainment. I'm sort of a subscriber of that so i don't watch violent things i get that but i think it is part of life well also it's kind of like the gunfight scene or star wars or you know i mean it's like violence is in entertainment that like you know three stooges even, the Marx Brothers. But there's something about the violence that's kind of silly and fun and fantastical

and something about the real terrifying. And I don't know. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself. Right. Because perhaps that can put some people off and make them a little more wary of doing that. But we are such a violent society right now in this country that I don't know that it's good to glorify that. Oh, I suppose you're right. Does it desensitize you to violence?

I suppose it does. I think so. Yeah. I think so. I think they had to do that. I think so. Yeah. I think so.

I think they had to do that. Do you remember, did you ever see the movie, Alan Ladd? It was a George Stevens movie. All right. George Stevens, right. Yeah. But it was the first Western where he said, I want real gunfire. I want to hear how loud it is. And when it was first screened in the theaters, people said, turn that way down.

It's way too loud. They said, no, that's the sound of a real gun going off. And when they punch somebody, you really heard the punch, and you saw the guy go down hard, and it was important. Shane. Shane.

Shane. You know what? I have seen that movie, but not in a long time. He wanted people to understand that this was real, that it's not just a boom, boom, boom, boom. You know, it's that guns kill and punches hurt. I remember seeing that when I was a kid on the Rockford Files. The first time when Jim Garner would punch somebody, they'd go, ow, ow, and his hand

was sore and everything. And it was kind of cartoony, but I remember thinking, because I get into some scrapes when I was a kid, and I remember being in fights. It really, really hurts hurts and it's scary. You don't just get up and do it again and then run after the guy. No, I still see these things. Occasionally I'll catch something and it'll be a guy

getting the shit beat out of him and then he gets up and runs after the one who did it. Well, you know what? That's also true of when people get drunk in movies. They don't feel that? I'm really drunk and then they say, but we have to go and do this. And they go, okay. And they kind of shake it off.

And I'm like, no, man. Apparently, that's the adrenaline. It's like two months in fucking rehab to stop being drunk. That's nasty. So listen, as we get on to that, just very briefly, you never, because we talked about you taking the bass notes and the psychedelics, but it never drew you in you never got into a problem with any of it oh no no i actually i think i'm blessed with moderation and

you are a very uh temperate person emotionally i think but then again i've never been married to you so i don't know that's true yeah no i would, I would say that's kind of, I think that's how I'm wired. So I enjoyed it, but it never interfered with school or work or anything like that. It's admirable. And I like to drink,

but, you know, not to excess. Do you like to drink scotch? In the winter when it's really cold. You would really enjoy Scotland apart from the haggis. I'm more of a martini person, but I never really could.

All right. Well, also they drink martinis in Scotland. I know that. So you and your husband come to Scotland and we'll feed you some salmon and whiskey and you can go to the Weed Church. And the Weed Church. And go to the Weed Church. Sounds like a plan.

All right. Thanks for coming, Pat. It's my joy to be here. See, I love that you're so professional. I'm just trying to help. No, it's all right. I like you, Chris. It's my joy to be here. See, I love that you're so professional. I'm just trying to help. No, it's all right. I like you, Craig. I think you do.

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