Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Baywatch Documentary Stars and Hollywood Lies

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

150 alleged victims of PDiddy’s come forward in a lawsuit and the accusations are horrifying. Then I’m joined by Matt Felker the executive producer and director of the four part Baywatch documentary - After Baywatch - on Hulu and the former child star Jeremy Jackson who played David Hasselhoff’s son. We get into how the documentary was made and why Pamela Anderson turned it down. Jeremy opens up about his childhood on set and passed drug addiction. Get ready for a juicy one Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to https://RocketMoney.com/JUICY Head to https://JLOBEAUTY.com/JUICYSCOOP for 4 free masks and free shipping today. Stand Up Tickets and info: https://heathermcdonald.net/ Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media: Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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After I record this, I've got to go pack, get on a plane, because I'm coming to see you at the Parks Casino in Philadelphia. That show is still, there are still some tickets available, however, it is selling really, really well. I've got the hilarious Tammy Pascatelli. I want you guys to know with all the shows coming up, I often hear, can I bring my husband? Can I bring my friend? She doesn't know about Housewives.

She doesn't follow pop culture. She doesn't know who you are, Heather. Yes, you can. These shows are top tier standup from my openers like Chris Frangiola as well as Tammy. It is funny. You do not need to know about Housewives. I do make some fun references and stuff, but I set up in a way that your person that you're with will absolutely love it. A reminder, it is not political.

You do not need to worry about bringing somebody who will somehow be offended because of the jokes don't align with their point of view. This is an escape. This is hardcore funny. This is relatable stand up about my life stories I've saved just for live shows. My you know the Tammy and Chris are hilarious. It is a really funny show that I'm telling you. You will be so happy you went you will get an ab workout. And I just wanted to make that very clear. So we got October 4th at the Parks Casino in Philly. And then I meet with Chris in Ridgefield, Connecticut, a beautiful theater there at the Ridgefield Playhouse. That's October 5th with Chris Frangiola.

And then Chris and I head over to Boston at the world famous Wilbur Theatre. That show is at 7 p.m. because it's a Sunday. I want you guys to be able to get the show in and still have a good night's sleep. That's 7 p.m. with Chris on Sunday at the Wilbur Theatre. The meet and greets are all an hour before the show. Give yourself a little extra time if you're part of the meet and greet. So there you go. Hope that answers all the questions and I hope to see you.

And then of course there's more dates coming up. So go to heathermcdahl.net for everything. And also of course my Patreon. I'm gonna be covering the Menendez brothers and that documentary with my sister Shannon for Juicy Crimes. I have a Get Me Behind Gates about really what my life is going on lately. And then of course, every Friday is the inside kind of behind the scenes of doing this show. And that's everything is at HeatherMcDonald.net.

OK, before we get to our really juicy interview, which you will love, I want to give you sadly the worst updates ever because P. Diddy is truly a monster. Okay? Really, it doesn't stop. An attorney, I guess, put out a thing. Come to me if you're a victim of P. Diddy. He's from Texas. I talked about him on the last episode that he had a class action lawsuit with 50 people. It has now gone up to 125. He did a press conference in which two of the victims, alleged victims, are being highlighted in articles and whatnot that are the more disturbing ones.

One is a nine-year-old boy that was promised an audition and an opportunity to have a record deal. And he is claiming he was separated from his parents and alone with Diddy, in which she was sexually assaulted. And then there was another woman who wasn't even drinking because she was pregnant and then was drugged and found herself in P. Diddy's bed afterwards and was assaulted. They're just horrific stories. Now, some people would question how in a week could you actually get 150 people that you could validate their stories? I mean, we know what goes into building a case for somebody, you know, were you there? Did you come home and tell somebody who we need to talk to your roommate from 2006?

So you know, are these 150? I don't know how they're I don't know how many lawyers this guy has working for him, how they're going to do this. But it's just never ending. And then of course, as I said before, all the old clips. I just saw a clip that New York Post featured from a very popular BBC show. Maybe it was like, you know, five years ago or something. And it's P. Diddy and he's saying that, yes, at one time he did invite the royal princes,

William and Harry to come to his parties, but he won't be inviting them anymore now that they're, you know, William and Harry, to come to his parties, but he won't be inviting them anymore now that they're married and getting married. Also, page six is reporting that now people are coming forward saying, yes, I went to P. Diddy parties, but everybody knew you wanted to leave. There was three parties.

That's what I heard, there was three parties. One, you leave before two. Okay? That's if you just want a past app and a couple cute photos and a free glass of syroc. Okay? You got to get out before two. Two to five, some freaky stuff happens. You know, maybe some more clothes come off, maybe some drug use, maybe some freaky sex stuff that, you know, you're down for. It's the parties, and then you gotta leave at five. It's the parties from five on that people are saying like,

I never was there, and that's where maybe non-consensual, awful things happen to people that might've been not of age or not willing participants or might've been hired as sex workers. So there you go. It's awful. Our girl Wendy Williams has done an interview with Daily Mail and TMZ is reporting on it as well. And it sounds like she's doing much better. She knows what's going on with P. Diddy. She is saying that she's hearing from people that she had called it back from her radio days before she even had her TV show. You know,

that's what people loved about Wendy. She really didn't care. She dropped a lot of truth and it wasn't in riddles. And, you know, she's horrified by what she's hearing about the victims and the things that she's being made aware of. So anyway, hopefully she is doing better and she has spoken about that. A little update on the Bravo world. Brandy Glanville of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was suing Bravo because Andy, remember this story that she felt that Andy spoke to her inappropriately as a boss.

We, many people felt it was in a joking manner that they had that kind of rapport and that he and Kate Chastain were joking on the phone. She said, no, I always felt like there were inappropriate things that were said to me, I was used. You know, this whole thing with Caroline Manzo happened, which I don't agree with. I never assaulted her and therefore we have never seen the Real Housewives ultimate girls trip in Morocco. She posted or tweeted on X that in fact the lawsuit has been dropped,

not because she wanted it to, because her attorneys said, we're no longer representing you. We don't feel this lawsuit has legs. So she wrote like, you can't write this shit. I can't believe it. I was told I was going to cash out and make so much money from this thing. And now after all this time and effort, they've decided it's not worth their time. Which happens, you know, they've got a, they're going to grab 40% of a lawsuit against a big corporation. They got to make sure that they have enough to win it. Otherwise it's not worth their time because you're, she's not paying them. They're doing it, you know, in

the hopes that they all get that she, you know, gets a win of whatever $10 million and they get $4 million of it. So if they feel like it's not going to happen, there's not the evidence, there's not whatever. And I don't know that anyone else will take on her lawsuit. So now I really feel like she is like triply screwed because she felt like she was never going to be hired again because she was used and thrown out after the Caroline Manzo thing. So she then she goes the legal route and was like, whatever, let me get my money so I can live somewhere and just not have to do these shows where I have to get drunk and grab people that don't want to be

grabbed or whatever or show my tits or say awful things to people because that's what I get paid to do. Now that's seemed to be dead. So it's not been a great day for her, but I wanted to give you that update. Okay, you guys remember what I said? You go to heathermcdowell.net for all the dates. I'm coming to Chicago, Minneapolis in October, then Irvine, California in November,

and then in February I will be in New York, D.C., and New York, New Jersey. Everything is at heathermcdahl.net. All right, get ready for a real fun, juicy interview. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. You guys love the Inside Hollywood Scoop, and I've got the guests to spill it from the hit four-part series on Hulu right now. Baywatch moment in the sun.

It's so juicy. It's four parts. I have the director or the producer. You're also appearing at Matt Felker with the star of Baywatch. He played the son of David Hasselhoff, Jeremy Jackson year throughout the entire four-part series as well. Associate producer, executive producer? You got an associate producer. Associate producer. Oh, you're a producer as well. We gave him a producer card.

Yeah, I saw that. He produced some shit. He did some shit. And I saw that Nicole Eggert, who came on Juicy Scoop as well, that she was on Charles in Charge, and then of course Baywatch and she's a great woman you she was also a got a producing credit I saw she kind of I didn't really

know any of these guys when I started and I was just looking for something direct and I knew that no one was gonna let me direct shit unless I paid for it so I was looking for something relatively commercial and a buddy of mine saw me interact with Nicole on Instagram and And he's like, how do you know Nicole Hegert? You know, he's like 48, like huge Charles in charge kind of fan. I'm like, I don't know, I've kind of known her for like 20 years, not well, but I know her enough

that I can call her. He goes, dude, like you're a lifeguard, you should do a Baywatch documentary. And I was like, and my friend was kind of an idiot that I wasn't really paying attention. And I'm like, that's actually a pretty good idea. Well, in watching it, we see you, you're giving, you know, narration telling story,

and it looks like this did take quite a long span of years to put together because some of the people that are interviewed, you being one, at one point, I see you again, and I'm like, wait a minute, were there two guys that played? You know how sitcoms sometimes would like replace a kid with another kid? I'm like wait a minute were there two guys that played How sitcom sometimes would like replace a kid with another kid? So I was like wait a minute, but your look was changing because it was a long span So can you tell us a little bit like what your background is and how you got this project like going and off the ground? Well, I've sort of kind of done it all

I mean I moved to LA and you kind of just get put in a box. And I was a male model, as embarrassing as that is. Early on. You came to LA from where? Wisconsin. Oh, cool. Yeah. And my first job, I was a soccer player.

So Nike was looking for someone to do their endorsements, and they couldn't pay. And you could actually play soccer? Yeah. Yeah. I was a high level soccer player. Oh, OK. And I think Adidas had David Beckham at the time, and Nike couldn't afford anybody. play soccer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was a high-level soccer player and they, I

think Adidas had David Beckham at the time and Nike couldn't afford anybody, so they're like, you look okay, like let's have you, so that was like my first job and then I became friends with the casting director in music videos and then he put me in like the Britney Spears video and then Stacey's mom and all those like early 2000s sort of hit songs I was in all those videos and that was sort of my... Music video how? Yeah, that was sort of hit songs. I was in all those videos. That was sort of my. Music video hoe. Yeah. That was sort of my coming to LA.

And then I did that pilot with Chelsea Handler. I didn't really like acting. Okay. I always sort of got thrown into it. I wrote a script when I was 24 that I sold to Penelope Spheras, who did Wayne's World in Black Sheep. I know Penelope.

So I started a production company with her. We did a male stripper comedy, which I would say is probably the reason Magic Mike existed, because I did it with Jenna Dewan, and Channing came to our set every day, and he's like, whoa, I was a stripper, and then he went to all the big dogs and then had the... So wait, slow down.

That's Scoop right there. Okay. I think we're like the precursor to Magic Mike. We definitely had some inspiration, because our sets look the same, too, which is pretty funny. Do you keep in touch with Pen Okay. First one. I think we're like the precursor to Magic Mike. We definitely had some inspiration because our sets looked the same too, which is pretty funny. Do you keep in touch with Penelope? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. She knew my brother very well. Yeah. Anyway, Penelope, so you guys were doing that, filming it or doing like a reel of it or what? How did they, how was the idea sort of taken before it was released? We were financed through the Gaurus group,

it was Al Gaurus, and he owns Paradigm, so they were doing our packaging. And Jenna Dewan was the female lead, who Channing was married to at the time. And Channing would always come, he came to set like four times, like no one does that, especially when he's like a big star and this is like sort of a lower budget movie. But we had really good actors.

We had Mimi Rogers, Chris McDonald, Shooter McGavin, you know, he's that and a couple other. Dustin Yabara was in it, stand-up comic. Brad, the midget's the wrong term because I know that's not sensitive, smaller person. Brad, he's a stand-up. Oh yes, Brad, yes. He's in it, I do a dance with him in a cowboy outfitup. Oh yes, Brad, yes, he's a stand-up too, yeah.

I do a dance with him in a cowboy outfit with my ass hanging out with me and Brad do it together. So it was a full-on comedy. So you wrote it and you appeared in it. I executive produced it and I was the bad guy stripper. Oh, okay. So, but anyway, so yeah, Channing. Can we do that ass shaking scene?

You can probably get it, it's on YouTube. But we had Channing come to set a bunch of times and he befriended the son of the financier and he got that guy to finance a different project for him. Which was? I think it was Dear John he got him to pay for. Okay. But then shortly thereafter it was a trade release

that Magic Mike and it was this male stripper thing with Matthew McConaughey. And it was like, we had the B team and then he's like, fuck it, I was a stripper and I have access to the A team. So he just took it. I mean, you can't be mad at him. So then did you guys finish the movie? Yeah, it's got dumped on fucking Amazon, the territories.

It was like pre-streamed. What's the name of it? Balls to the Wall. Oh my gosh. And I own that movie too so go watch it because I still make five dollars a month on it. Oh my gosh amazing. Yeah.

I just went to Thunder Down Under this weekend in Las Vegas. I saw the pictures. I actually got an offer from Thunder Down Under a few years ago. Yeah. I just I did some some fitness pictures. I happened to be you know having no clothes on from giant dick from behind No, it was from behind. I was like standing up like it was it was actually great and TMZ picked it up and Somebody said hey, I work for Thunder from down under we'd love to have them on so then I I could you like a special guest

Yeah, yeah, so I talked to him a little bit I got a little cash offer and then I had a manager called Chippendales and see if they wanted to yeah steal me instead They hot they said absolutely they hired me for the three week like celebrity little deal. I went out there to Vegas Met everybody we did a big TMZ kind of press release deal, but they agreed to a price. It was like 150 grand for three weeks. And then we made an offer to somebody, I forget what network, to do like a reality show because I had just gotten married. So like I'm married to a stripper,

but it was really just my little guest appearance. They loved it, they were like really into it, they were gonna come film, but I had just gotten off this set of celebrity rehab Oh What year was this? This was? 2010 12. Okay something 12 ish. Yeah and Somebody died at the property of a drug overdose and even though I wasn't doing drugs on celebrity rehab

Just the fact that I was on celebrity Yeah, they know insurance for you killed the deal that I was on Celebrity Rehab going out there. The association, yeah. Yeah, they killed the deal. No insurance for you. It was like three- No bonding for you. Yeah. So you start to really, you first start, it starts out how they got the idea, which was

great how they were just like smoked a joint and walked down the beach and saw lifeguards and was like, there's a whole story here. Right. Which is like, even when I was getting back to stripping, when I was at the Thunder Down Under, I was like, oh, and I started to think, I wonder who these guys date, like who's their mother, like do they have something else cooking on the side? And then I was like, oh, I totally see why

this was made into a movie. Like, I get when you're, because you start to kind of wonder what is this profession about, yeah. So I loved hearing that, and then we get to see how at first it was a movie, and then from the success of the two hour movie is when it became the series that we kind of know. And so you, let's talk a little bit about you. So your mom left your dad when you were only three months old.

So it was just the two of you or did you have siblings? So, you know, your mom left your dad when you were only three months old. So it was just the two of you or did you have siblings? I had a sister when I was about six, but that's about when I started acting. So she had a newborn and she had me. And we're in Orange County. She's literally driving a Volkswagen bug that catches on fire driving to LA to go to auditions and stuff. It was crazy.

Yeah. to go to auditions and stuff, it was crazy. Yeah, and so you started to get a couple little things and did you love it up until you got, I mean you loved Baywatch too, but like, was anything going on with the jobs leading up to Baywatch? It was like a whirlwind. So I was a super ham, like just anywhere and everywhere. Mom would take me to karaoke bars. I'm like three years old singing Disneyland. I think I'm a breakdancer. I think I'm a ballerina. I think I can do every accent. I'm imitating Michael Jackson.

I got Elvis Presley down pat. It was just who I was, you know? So between the ages of six and 10, I had already done 60 commercials. Wow. Like 13. So now when you're doing 60 commercials, and commercials meant a lot of money back then. Yeah.

So that must have, was that basically then your mom's job being the manager, and that was helping take care of the household? My manager, my acting coach, my friend, I'm dyslexic, I couldn't read. She had to read everything to me and I'd have to repeat it back to her. So it was like mano a mano, me and her against the world.

Mary Grady was my agent. Lonnie O'Grady was her daughter from 8 Is Enough. Oh, okay. Right, so and I remember your agent's name. Iris Burton, yeah. Yeah, those were like the two big dogs back then. Right. Yeah.

And was there ever any concern, you know now we hear so much about you know child actors and the safety of child actors from the Nickelodeon doc to You know Michael Jackson Neverland leaving Neverland was there any Concern or anything about you being on set if your mom couldn't be right there Yeah, well, so me and my mom were super tight. We were also, we're like Orange County folk, you know?

We don't know a lot of people in the industry. We're like outsiders that manage to like explode our way in. We were kind of hated, because I would get a lot of jobs over other kids. So there'd be the moms with their groom, their kids that were always in acting class, and they got their flippers, their fake teeth, and they got their outfits.

Just to protect, just to show people like, what is a flipper? When the kids lose their teeth, because they're like becoming seven, they put these flippers, you see that I'm on like toddlers and tiaras, but they're just like a little retainer, so then they have like the cute little chiclet teeth still.

So there was like the Hollywood kids that lived at the Oakwoods, and this was like their full-time job, and this was like just a thing we came in kind of guerrilla and stole from those people. You know, they didn't like us. So we weren't really in the inner sanctum, so to speak, shooting with the right photographers,

going to the right places, making the right friends. So somehow we managed to escape that. However, you know, the right places, making the right friends. So somehow we managed to escape that. However, you know, the other day, just a couple days ago, I was like, you know what, dude, all the podcasters, all the interviewers, all the people, they wanna know about the dark side of being a child star. Everybody wants to hear about some spirit soup,

Illuminati, Jesus juice type, Michael fingered me. I'm like, you know what? I might as well just start. I mean, I guarantee you, if I were to tell you, oh yeah, I would have a full big old run. I would have a huge run. I could just make up a story. Michael fingered me? I could just say, David Asloff, yeah, kissed my wiener.

I could make up a story, because everybody already believes it, and I would go on a run of press and money and appearances These people are probably lying a lot interesting No, I'm saying like even on Baywatch I think like people wanted all this like dark shit I mean the weirdest thing I went through the producers trunks like I was a very you know I mean the weirdest thing I went through the producers trunks like I was a very you know

Rambunctious kid so yeah, I'd like to rifle through everybody's everything first Yeah, and I found like there was a literally a box this big of sheepskin condoms Who's having sex this much Doug Schwartz trunk? I'm like man He must really be getting it on if he's got a giant box But for all I know, it was a sponsor that sent it to him for free. Yeah, it probably was. It probably was a sponsor.

Yeah, I'm going through the girls' trailers, and their Playboys are in there. So they're working, and I'm looking at them naked. And then I get to see them 10 minutes later and be like, I've seen you naked. But it wasn't a bunch of dark, weird stuff at all. Well, yeah. There was a photographer who took a picture of me in a pool.

I was at a kid's event with, like, Punky Brewster and all these kinds of celebs. And all the moms were nudging my mom, hey, you gotta shoot with this guy. If he invites you somewhere, go with him. He'll get a lot of jobs. He took one picture of me in the history of my career, and, like, 20 years later was arrested as being a really big part

of a child pedophile ring and pornography, underage pornography. And did he want to have a session with you? Yes, and we didn't know. My mom said she got a weird feeling about it. She just didn't know. Amazing. That's why I interviewed her.

Full like mother instinct. His mom has never done an interview before and I got to know her. I made her know everybody. She's so beautiful too. And yeah, she was real concerned about her looks going on camera Why she was so hesitant of going on camera? Yeah? We're both wounded from growing up on Baywatch

Beautiful women totally fucked up. She is gorgeous. Yeah, that's the first interview She's ever done And I thought it was really interesting because I feel like when you have like a story like Jeremy's where he's been through a lot So I was like fucking parents parents have parents. Parents have to be horrible. Like what's wrong with your mom? Your mom was an awesome mom. You were just a crazy fucking kid. And it didn't matter if you were a TV star or not.

He was gonna be a crazy fucking kid. And that's the other thing, you know, people always want to, oh, was it? Yeah, dude. For people that don't know, you had a drug addiction that happened while you were still filming as an 18-year-old. But it was at the very end. It was right at the very end. It was towards the end. Okay, but sorry, continue on. I mean, it got heavy towards the end. while you were still filming as an 18 year old. Towards the end.

Okay, but sorry, continue. I mean, it got heavy towards the end. But another people, people want to, oh, did you, you were exposed. You must've been exposed to something. Yeah, I could be like, yeah, the producers were mean to me. So I had to do drugs to cope with my feelings. Or yeah, I saw Tommy Lean, he had some coke.

So I wanted to do coke. Like I could easily say something like that. No way, dude. Being a celebrity making millions of dollars by that time I was 16 probably saved my life. I would have been running around broke with criminals doing the stuff that I did. I just had enough money to pay for lawyers

and pay for really good rehabs, pay for therapy, and have people wanna help patch me together because I was their bread and butter. If I didn't have agents, managers, and publicists, all these people that were making money off me, I wouldn't have continued to be padded and lifted and helped and mentored and supported. Probably saved my life. That is really interesting because also it's shared that your biological father, he struggled with a drug addiction. And sadly, that happens whether you're raised

in the home with them or not. There is something, some people say it's not, I feel like there is something that makes you more susceptible. I can explain it to you if you want. Explain it. Really, you sure? Yeah, tell me what you think.

Okay, so there exists this thing called the warrior gene. Scientific community geneticists and researchers call it the warrior gene. They breed it into mice. They put a thousand mice in a cage and lots of mice will gravitate in the cage. There'll be vodka, there'll be toys, there'll be food, and there'll be shelter. Lots of the mice try the vodka. Lots of them get drunk, but most of them get distracted, find a friend, get hungry or tired.

But about 10% of those thousand will stay at the vodka and drink until they die. So they take those 10% and they breed them. And now since mom and dad had this thing that makes them drink until they die, has this thing that makes them forget about food, water, shelter, friends, offspring is more likely to have it.

And they continue to do this. Grab all the babies before they kill themselves, 50%. Grab all the babies before they kill themselves, 80%. Grab all the babies, 100%. Now you got 100%. All offspring from mom and dad, they bred out the normie gene. Right? Once they've tried vodka, that's all they wanna do.

That's all they care about, and they'll kill themselves. Just like I did, I had millions of dollars, I had all that good stuff, I had all these opportunities, A Walk to Remember with Mandy Moore was written for me. That movie was written for me before the pen went to paper, the writer said, this is Jeremy Jackson is gonna star in this. Million dollars at whatever I was, 16, nah, nah, nah.

You blew it off. Yeah, I was too busy getting high. And what was like the first time that you started to use? I mean I was smoking weed and drinking 12, you know. And where would you get it and how would that work between doing being on settle day? Because obviously you had like a set teacher, right? Or did you go to any regular school once you were cast in it? I was too busy by third grade that my teachers were already really mad because I was missing so much at third grade. But I was like gifted learning, disabled, hyperactive. I was a hands-on learner, experiential learner. I was terrible in school. In a classroom. Yeah. So that was great actually for me. So I did homeschool and just started working so much

that I really couldn't go to school. I remember I got one commercial and I left, they picked me up from the school and I was doing the commercial and I had the on-set teacher. And so we had all the little work that like my mom got and was like here's her work for the day and finished it in an hour and a half and one of the things was teaching me to read a clock okay and we'd been working

on that at school for so long and I understood it within 10 minutes of being with the set teacher and that's why I'm like, hey, if homeschool is the way to go, don't let people tell you that, or that's for weird religious people, whatever. Do what's right for your kid, because I truly believe a one-on-one situation, it's like you don't need to be there for eight hours

if you have like a private tutor or you're doing homeschool or whatever. Yeah. It was great for me. You know, and, and it's feast or famine, right? So you're either really, really busy or you don't have anything to do. So when it was, I don't have anything to do time, it was go and 12 years old, 13, 14, 15, all kids are getting into some form of trouble. You know, someone's smoking weed. They know somebody's older brother has weed in their room. You go to their house and you smell it. They're 16

They look cool and you're like, oh, they're doing something cool What's that smell, you know, and then you want to try it you want to do it from cigarettes to whatever, you know So for a while those teen years you were able to party Get back into into the straight. Yeah, and then when did you like kind of go off the deep end? I got pretty deep into Coke. I was already going to rehab at like 16, but you know, Playboy Mansion Parties and Coke. So you were on the Playboy Mansion Parties at 16,

because all the girls were on, I thought that was also really interesting, that I can't remember the actress that said it, and she said, playboy was like, if a celebrity did a playboy spread. Yeah, if a celebrity did a playboy shoot, you know, midway through their career, and they're already a celebrity,

that was steak tartare. But if you just did a June issue as some chick that came from Oklahoma, then that was just gross raw meat. Raw nasty meat, I think. Yeah, that was such an interesting analogy. And then how they were like, well, listen, this is where we need to hire the people for Baywatch, is just go straight to the Playboy Mansion.

And it did become such a cool thing in the 90s. All the Playboy stuff, who the girls were, who got the month. You know? Yeah, Playboy was a real thing. I think the newer generation kind of forgets what it actually was because porn is just everywhere. So like, it doesn't mean anything, you know?

Playboy is so tame compared to what you can see online. Right. And I think that's why, like, oh, you know, she got the Playboy thing. And and we were seeing that it was leading to other things. Pamela being one. Jenny McCarthy. Yeah. Carmel Lecter. Yeah. Like that was really interesting. So when you're reaching out to the other people now, when we see Pamela Anderson doing an interview, was that with you or

were you able to grab interviews from something else? Pamela interesting initially. She was receptive like early on and at the time I didn't think she was gonna be hard to get at all because at that time that was pre Pam and Tommy show on Hulu that created a whole resurgence which created a rebuttal to her documentary and then she's off doing what she's doing.

By the time we got to her the pandemic had started. She was living in Canada. So I didn't want to film her remote. I just didn't think you'd get the right interview with her. And I felt she deserved more than that. Like she deserved a face to face. So we kind of put a pin in it. And then the Pam and Tommy thing came out for Hulu. And I think she was really enraged at first. I mean, I think in retrospect, she should thank him because Megan Ellison probably took a couple million dollar loss to resurge your career

and make you empathetic to the audience type thing. But she really hated that. And she had all these statements, be like, I don't even know who Lily James is and I don't know who Sebastian is. I mean, they're the two very solid actors Yeah, I mean they're you know, they are but they're very good. Yeah And it's you know, it's Seth Rogen and Megan Ellison, you know fucking billionaire wins that wins Academy Awards

I mean she put fuck you money into that thing. And and I mean I listen their soundtrack and just from licensing music They had a seven-figure soundtrack per episode. mean, she did not make money on that at all. Like there's no way. I mean, I thought it was great. It was. I thought I knew the story and I thought it was great how it was shared and I thought they were both great.

But I was watching it with my sons, my teenage sons, and by like the fourth episode, they were like, oh my God, who cares that there's this- It's too long. It's way too long. But also from their perspective, they were like, oh my God, who cares that there's a, like from, but also, but also from their perspective, they were like, they were like, why is she so upset? Like who cares that they saw, that people saw them have sex? Like to them, it's a different world.

It's generational different. I mean, they're friends around OnlyFans. That's like totally different. No sex, like no slut shaming or anything with guys. They don't see it like that. They're like, so what? So that was her husband, and who cares? Yeah, but she reacted violently to it.

I'm trying to explain that no, she felt it was really going to hurt her career. And that's what's so interesting is how the perspective of something changes. Psychography has changed a lot. It's just like when the Kardashians started too, it was like, I was at a party in which the Kardashians were there. It was it was a party for Jillian Barbary from the morning show,

like celebrating her wedding or something, and they were hosting it. And Kim was attempting to be like a red carpet girl. Like that's what she was working on. And her publicist was like kind of helping. And so they had, because Jill was a celebrity, they had like in touch and maybe like E there at the house. And the girl goes to, I'm not gonna say who the celebrity is,

but she goes to celebrity and she goes, oh, before you leave, could you please, could Kim interview you really quickly? And this is post sex tape, but recent. And she was like, no, I don't do interviews with porn stars. And she left, and I remember thinking my perspective was

This is the daughter of the woman who hosted the thing. Why aren't you just helping a daughter? You know work on her craft like that is just kind of rude I thought it was sort of I thought that's what I thought I didn't think oh You're being too high and mighty for that. But so for a while, nobody wanted to fuck with them. That was, you know, oh, Kardashian. And then all of a sudden- And then Anna Wintour gave them Fashion Week passes and the Met Gala and it was game over. And then all of a sudden, everybody knows

that they are powerful and that's who you wanna be. They saw the value. But how quickly- How quickly- Well, that's what I was- Or are they just jealous, because that person is getting more attention than you get for your craft career that you put so much time and effort

And do that true track to how Pam to wrap it up So that came out she like closed all doors like we're not doing anything Then I got a call from my contact at ABC news studio, so we ended up doing the deal with but didn't have a deal at that point They're like we're we just got this Pamela Anderson documentary sent to us, they want an absorbent amount of money. Her kid is her manager now, he asked for all this money and we're like, no.

That's the one that they film. It's the one that went to Netflix. Yeah, that they filmed mostly at the home in Canada. Right, they filmed two days. People are like, oh, this documentary's so great. I'm like, the story's great. They filmed that for like nine dollars. Like, it was literally filmed they filmed two days. People are like, oh, this documentary's so great. I'm like, the story's great. They filmed that for like $9. Like, it was literally filmed in two fucking days.

So from a producer standpoint, I'm not super blown away, but I understand the value of it. But anyway, so she did that. And I'm like, fuck, you know, I would've liked to got that story for my thing. But I get it, you know, she's making some money from Netflix, she's gonna monetize her story, and that's great.

So we circled back to her, trying to do a follow-up, and her son manages her. I don't know if he still does, because she just signed with CAA, and I don't think they would maybe work with him. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but I can't see that working out very well. Anyways, they were initially receptive

and their first comment was how much? How much? Or like nothing, you know? This is, you know, it's an ensemble cast, we have 38 people, it's literally everyone that's ever been on the show. It's a big thing for Pam. You can run your story, you can, you know,

really will let you craft your image. No, hard no. That's what her son said, hard no. And I called him and I go, hey Brandon, this is Matt. And he didn't even let me talk, he just hung up on me. I'm like, wow, that's good managing. That's great managing. I'm like, that's gonna work well. So I was like, whatever.

So Muriel Pearson, who's an 11 time Emmy winning producer for ABC News Studios, she goes, Do you remember that 2020 that you were a panelist for us during the pandemic? And that's how I met them. I did a free panelist on pop culture for them, shot it myself, sent him a hard drive. And that's how I created this relationship

with the people that ended up buying it. She's like, yeah, I interviewed Pam for that. And it's the same time you interviewed Pam, or you interviewed all the other actors. Let's go through the transcripts because we never even put it in the 2020 because at that time, Pam's value was nothing because it was pre Pam and Tommy.

So they tried to like- Pre Pam and Tommy the movie. And then pre Pam and her rebuttal with her Netflix thing So this is like only a year prior Zero value. Mm-hmm zero value and then now she's here trying to negotiate for money. So we just said oh, thanks But no, thanks Brandon and not only did I go through the transcripts. It's all the stuff I would have asked her anyway, right and We owned it in all perpetuity. So not only did they try to tell us to go fuck ourselves, we had an interview that we were able to use in perpetuity

that we put up on the Jumbotron Times Square. So it was like a ultimate like checkmate. It's like we gave you guys the opportunity to do whatever you wanted. And you said no, and now we're taking your mom back to the place where she was still wearing makeup and had that different persona. So now you've just taken your mom's persona back

because you refused to do something. And it was hilarious, and then they had it like, oh, Pam refused to interview New York Post, Pam refused. It's like, well, she did, but she didn't. She asked for money. She didn't refuse, she asked for money. There's a big difference between being like, no, I'm not doing this under any circumstances.

It's how much? If you're not gonna work with Matt Felker, you're working against him and you're just, where there's a will, there's a way. He's gonna find a way to make it happen. Like he moved to so many mountains. Okay, so let's get a little into that. What's the girl, the athletic girl at the end?

Alexander Paul. Yeah, I always remember that she was on it and was on it and, you know, she was very athletic, looked like a swimmer. She was a swimmer. Yeah. And I thought what she said was really cool in the doc, how she's like, you know, everybody at that time was getting boob jobs, all the other girls. And she's like, and I was like, no, this is me. And it, it was, she was really lovely in it she was just like that this was a reason why you should be yourself and it made it real that you had the like the true athlete girl and of course the other girls are like these hot

things you know we had that she wasn't hot but then a booby you know we had a question I love she was it didn't make it into the series but it was a question that we asked everyone who was like the most realistic lifeguard who was the most unrealistic life yeah and my answer the most unrealistic lifeguard? And my answer was, on Popular Opinion, Pamela Anderson. Most unrealistic, yeah. No one has nails and boobs like that that's rescuing anyone. I mean, it just looks great, not functional.

Not a functional body type for being a lifeguard. But yeah, I mean, any of the girls that had like the really big, big boobs, it's like, it's gets in your way. Yeah. Even in an athletic standpoint, I mean most girls I know that are athletes, if they have big boobs, they hate it

and they try to like strap them down as. I thought they were real. No they're not. And then it was up. Really? With Nicole Agart who, she came on Juicy Scoop a few years ago, I was telling her before we started, and I reached out to her

because she was telling her story, her situation with Scott Baio that she was underage, her story, and they had a physical relationship when she was underage, according to her. He said, no, whatever. He has said that's untrue. But she came on and told the story about that. And it was kind of interesting how then

she went from Charles in Charge to being on Baywatch. And then she just kind of bailed out and changed her looks, but kind of downplayed her beauty with her change of hair and stuff, which is something that happens when girls are... Sexualized. Sexualized, sexually assaulted, whatever, where they're like, I don't want to be that anymore.

And I thought that was really interesting, because I didn't really remember that. She was just what, only on like one season. She was, yeah, and she kind of, she did really disappear from the public eye for a while. I mean, I knew her just from being out in the scene. And I think I met Nicole when you guys wrapped Hawaiian Wedding.

She was dating Momoa at the time. That was the first time I met Jason Momoa. I didn't even know that Jason Momoa got his start on, so was he on Baywatch Hawaii? Yeah, he actually, I don't think it was very clear in the documentary, like, because my director's cut was very different from the studio cut. Okay.

I wasn't in my cut. They made me be in. So any fucking reviewer or critic's like, what the fuck did that guy put in? I didn't have a choice, so fuck off. Okay, yeah. I didn't want to be on camera, because I knew he'd be like,

oh, the fucking guy wants to be a star. It's like, no, they wanted me to go in because I had so much time. I mean, what people don't realize is I have spent more time with these people than the cast have. Because these people were a evolving cast. I spent five years with everyone.

Some of these people never met each other other than like a reunion party for an hour and be like, oh, hey, you're on Hawaii, cool. Cheers, and that's it. I remember being, I used to go to Playboy parties and I remember getting a call and being like, oh, you were invited to the mansion on Sunday, whatever. And it's a going away for Brandy Roderick

to go beyond Baywatch Hawaii. And I remember thinking like, I'm so happy that she's getting away from this old fart. Because I didn't know her, but I would just go to the parties, whatever. And she was the new girlfriend. And I thought it was really nice that whatever their relationship was, that he was like, go ahead.

Because when I watched the Playboy documentary, a lot of the girls wanted to be actresses and stuff. And their story was that he kind of cock blocked him, like, ruined, like, you know, she's all some girl was all excited to get the agent or the audition. And then all of a sudden the calls stop because he was like, I don't want her on TV. So at that point, he was like, OK, great. Go beyond. He got so his wieners that work. Yeah. So go to go do Hawaii.

So Hawaii Baywatch was on for a couple of years. And that's where Jason. He got so old his wieners stopped working. Yeah, it's a go-to-go do Hawaii. So so Hawaii Baywatch was on for a couple years and that's where Jason Yeah, I don't again. I don't think it was really clear in an R cut, but he actually won a contest It was like a contest to remember it. I don't remember the late 90s early 2000s They would do is do contests for everything. Yes, like the structure underwear model do a contest It'd be like a bunch of ripped dudes like with his dick hanging up Look at my abs and they'd be like you win You're the biggest, you know that kind of thing Yes, I like a cop mechanic right? It was always these contests It was it was pretty

It was pretty social media where everyone could be famous like this is the normal the chance for the normal person to be famous Got it stand in line and maybe we'll pick you. Yeah, and that's what he did But I mean dude six foot five and super good-looking of course, they're gonna'll pick you. And that's what he did. But I mean, dude's six foot five and super good looking, of course they're gonna fucking pick you. Okay, so he was on it. And when you guys, when they do the Hawaii reunion thing, what year was that? Early 2000, 2001 maybe? Yeah, 2001.

Yeah, 2001. And who was getting married in it? Hasselhoff and Gina? I guess so. Here's the best part about this documentary. Gina Nolan. Like, there's a lot of things I don't actually know about the show because the show itself

was not interesting to me. Right, the stories were the worst. It was the people and it's what this sort of thing had a grip on society, internationally and domestically type thing. So a lot of fans, I think like the weird super fans, like, dude, we really wanted to go through all the actors and when Billy was on episode so and so when the shark ate his butthole and you're like, dude, we really wanted to like go through all the actors and when Billy was on episode so and so when the

shark ate his butthole and you're like I'm like dude I'm not spending my own money to do that. If you want to do that you go go right ahead But good luck fucking selling that anywhere. Yeah, that's straight to YouTube, buddy What was great is that you went through the actors and they you know we're talking about what it meant for their career how they got it and and they were talking about what it meant for their career, how they got it. And I mean, what was really lovely about you

and your struggle is the part that I could not believe is when you, I guess, relapsed and you ended up in the county jail. And these cast members from years back, who were the three that came together to visit you? That I think I was blown away. I can't imagine in my life, me being in that situation. Having people come from a TV show you did 20 years ago.

Yeah, I really don't think so. And I thought that was really like, end of a show like this that is so superficial and playboy in looks that the friendship would continue all these years to the point that they're like hey our friend needs us. So tell that story. So they've been there for you forever no matter what. Absolutely you know I did my wedding reception at David Asloff's house you know I've helped David Charvet with

some training stuff fitness stuff in the past. Alexander Paul sent me protein powder to my rehab. Every month she put me on a subscription plan for like, I don't know, for three months, I got a tub of protein, which was like the cutest thing in the world. She came to visit me there. Nicole Egert found the lawyer that got me the help that I needed.

There was, I went through two- Well now how did you end up in the jail? So I was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. And- What was the story behind that? I was looking at seven- Wait, tell me- Everyone fucked me, I'm like, I'm gonna stick Jeremy in.

Can you tell the story of what was going on? So the story is basically, you know, when you're a Hollywood white boy in the San Fernando Valley doing drugs, selling drugs and hanging out with people who do drugs and sell drugs, you're hanging out with people who steal cars, who rob houses, who are prostitutes,

who are homeless, this kind of thing, who are drug addicts. And that's where you found yourself. Yeah, and they, it wasn't until years later I realized, oh my gosh, I could have just told everybody, hey, I got a new project, I'm doing research for a movie, you're gonna be in it, so they would kiss my butt. But they just assumed that I have money

and that I'm hiding stuff from them. Who, these unsavory people? Exactly. Okay. You know, so I was getting, I got robbed and carjacked and attempted kidnappings and stuff like this a lot, where I'm fending for my life with guns in my face. Because you're hanging out with the druggies,

but the druggies know that you're the kid from Baywatch. And the druggies think that he's probably got a bunch of money and he's selfish and lying and using us. I don't know if you play on YouTube the theme song when you show up to be a drug dealer. Yeah. This got cut too, I loved it. Wait, what's the story?

My one, my favorite buddy that was a drug dealer of mine, Bam Bam, rest in peace, he died of a fentanyl overdose about a year ago. But he would always, I'd call him to him, coming over to pick up, you know? And he'd literally set up speakers and a TV and as soon as I'd walk in, he'd play this you can run video that was on Baywatch. It's like him as a little kid.

Yeah, and make fun of me. But these people... To buy the drugs at this point? Yeah. And like what year is this? That you're going to the guy's house and he's playing the music. Yeah, I had been sober from 20 years old into my early 30s when I relapsed. I think it was probably 2013 or 14. And how 14 2014 relapse happened once and once you'd been on the

straight and narrow for seven years? How does that happen? Yeah. You get really busy and you think that paying attention to your recovery and following mentorship and helping other people and praying and meditating every day and keeping the horse in front of the cart, that it's not that important because you're really busy and you've got jobs and you've got responsibilities and you haven't drank or done drugs for 13 years. How am I going to go back? You know, having a glass of wine in the jacuzzi in my in Maui with my fiance, like there's no way that was that the yeah, that was the moment. Yeah. So how am I going to be a drug addict? So you're on a jacuzzi. So you're on the vacation.

And your your fiance, I guess guess hadn't had any issues with drug and alcohol not that I knew so she was gonna have her normal glass of wine yeah and was she at all like don't or was she no we told you were good we totally had a conversation about it so I was like so check it out like it's been so long maybe I was just like an angst kid, you know, 12 to 20. It's like there's a lot of emotions. There's a lot of hormones. I was on TV.

There was a lot of pressure. Like we're doing great. You know, everything's smooth. We go to church every Sunday. You know, I'm working, training people. We got a dog in the house, some cars. And I highly doubt having a couple glasses of wine with you is somehow gonna demolish it all.

But I'll make you a deal. If I drink and if I get out of hand or if I start acting different, just tell me. And then I'll stop and I'll go back into some recovery program. Or if I have to go to rehab, I'll go to rehab. Whatever, I'll just stop. That was the thought, I'll just stop.

And she never said stop. And I never remember a time where I was like, oh, I'm getting out of hand. I'm sure it happened. I just don't remember it. It's that idea. So it started with wine and then what happened? Smoking a little bit of weed.

Okay. You know, taking a little bit of Xanax to sleep good, maybe twice a week. And then maybe 10 milligrams of Adderall in the morning. I'm feeling, you know, the doctor prescribed me 30. I'm only taking 10. I'm not a drug addict. I'm underdoing it.

I'm definitely not overdoing it. So I feel enhanced. I feel like I'm getting better sleep and I'm clearer in the day and I'm able to relax on the weekend with smoke a joint and Have some wine, you know and our relationship went kaput Kablui and I found myself in a depression just drinking myself in depression and

After about a month of that, I said, screw this, I'm gonna get high, you know? This blues isn't cutting it. So where did you do then? Wanna hear something weird? Yes. My sobriety day was 9-24-2000. Okay.

On 9-24-2000 was the first day I hadn't smoked meth, right? And I stuck to that date. The first day I smoked meth was 9-24-14. Guess what today is? Oh. 9-24. Kind of weird, right? I got some meth in my heart.

Did you do? Yeah. Let's do it again. So you, so math. That's how you stay so trim? So meth was your thing. Yeah, crystal meth. Yeah, and tell them how like you started with meth

and like it was cocaine and you're like, fuck, meth is nasty and then. Yeah, that's what always happens. meth and like it was cocaine and you're like fuck meth is nasty And that's yeah, that's what always happens You have a couple drinks you're having fun And you want to you know do do a bump or something you think it's no big deal And you do a bumping of just regular cocaine and it's like oh, I hate this stuff. It makes me really judgmental of others It makes me really angry. I just can't be irritable coke makes me real irritable So I'm that way without any you want

He's gonna get out of the irritation and do the thing that you that overhauls you that hijacks you completely, you know But after a month in bed being depressed like that and crying over my paws my relationships over my what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? So then I just got high and literally as soon as I get high like I'm a real I'm a real drug addict. I'm not one that won't leave it. And I forget, like the mice, I'll leave the food, I'll leave the shelter, I'll leave the friends. I don't care about anything else. Once I do it, I don't care about anything else.

I can't force myself to care about anything else until the handcuffs are on, until. You know what's funny about Jeremy and my wife when I had this conversation? Force myself to care about anything else until the handcuffs are on and until you know You know, it's funny about Jeremy my wife and I had this conversation we came back from the from the premier party where you know, everyone was there and we're like Do you realize that Jeremy who is the most fucked up of anyone on that show is the most together now and it's true He is literally the most together of anyone on that show. And he should be dead, truly. Multiple times, over.

So. Okay, so you start doing it again. You start doing the math. And then automatically just. Going to the guy's house where he's playing the music. Right, and you know these guys. Bam bam, you know, these drug addicts, they're driving around.

And now has the ex-fiancee contacted your mom and said I have some really bad news he's using again? Ex-fiance started hanging out with Dan Bilzerian and G-Eazy and Chris Brown just to rub it in my face. Oh she just moved on to another celebrity type of crew. Okay. So she's not calling your mom concerned?

Nope. She just moved on to the next best thing. She's making claims against me to the police and saying that I all kinds of stuff Okay, just changing my address with the IRS and trying to get loans in my name because we're married She's doing all she's trying to screw me. She turned into like a grifter extra. Yeah She tried to screw me extra really weird anyway. Oh jeez, but you never married her. We were married. Oh, you were married We were married for two years together for four Oh, and this is the one that's they always film homeless with no teeth

And they try to blame and they try to blame Jeremy for it Which always really irritates me because it's so not wait a minute. Oh now the juicy scoop I didn't really know. But when I would see it, without knowing who you are, I was like, whenever I see those stories, I'm like, it's not your fault. Just like when someone's like, oh, this is the brother of this celebrity. I'm like, stop. No one's responsible for somebody as we're adults years later. So she moves on and is at the Dan Bolzarian parties and all this other stuff.

And then she got addicted. Yeah, I believe, you know. And now she's like a homeless person in Venice. Toothless, homeless, hairless, broken, filthy. Massive mental illness. Like schizophrenia, hears voices, thinks she's gonna electrocute people by touching them. I mean, it's like, people don't understand

the actual psychology, like, drugs are one thing, but that's masking something else. It's masking mental illness, it's part of it. That's just something you do to survive out there, but there was something that drove her there, which I was trying to hold together for both of us, I guess two broke people don't make a fixed person. But you've tried to help her forever, that's why trying to hold together for both of us, I guess two broke people don't make a fixed person.

But you've tried to help her forever. That's why people are like, oh my god, you're so, like Jeremy, I can't believe you left her that way. And it's like, how long ago is that now? Over a decade? Well, that we were together? Yeah. Eight years? Yeah.

Yeah, it's like how long, you know, people that don't, I mean, if you, I mean, I have tried to help homeless people before. They often don't want help. They are actually at peace with where they're at. Well, she's on record saying that exactly. My hope everybody leaves me alone. I like where I'm at.

I'm doing exactly what I wanna do. Yeah, she has said that. So, okay, so you're, you're, you're, you're, so you're using what happened? How'd you get in jail? How many, how long are you going from just starting to do crystal meth again to the incident that put you in jail?

Within a year. It happens quick for me. Quick demise, maybe six months. So I defended myself against a armed gunman who was jacking me from a gang called CPA, Kenoga Park, Alabama. Bigger than me. Because of Alabama Street? Yes, exactly.

That's a cool T-shirt. I know. Bigger than me, scarier than me, more sold out for the gang life, and I defended myself, and I got a lot of credit for that. I got a lot of like, hey, don't mess with this guy for that. So then these other people came and they stole my car. And I said, well, I know what I gotta do.

I gotta find these people, and I gotta scare the shit out of them, and I gotta let them know I'm the guy you don't mess with. Because if I'm gonna be out here, I'm gonna continue to be taken advantage of, guns in my mouth, robbed, and stolen from. So I gotta go get this car back. And there was a scuffle, there was two guys and a girl, and there was a scuffle, and people got injuries, and I'm the bad guy, you know,

because I went after them to get my car back. There's also a singular documentary here. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So, you know, there was also the gunman that was on record, tattling that I was the guy that stabbed him. There was also the claims. Yeah, they said, there was also the gunman that was on record Tattling that I was the guy that stabbed him. There was also the whole he stabbed me. Yeah, there was always stabbed Oh, that's your character Also the claims made by my you know, sadly

Slipping from sanity wife. So the judge the DA is like, oh, wait a minute. We got this blonde damsel in distress We got this he stabbed this guy almost to death and now this, we're putting his ass away. So I was looking at big, at least seven years in prison. Really? Scared shitless, both lawyers that I had reached out to said this is the best it's ever gonna get. The other guy said we can do an insanity plea

so you can at least do your seven years like in a mental health style jail rather than normal jail. And I was like, oh my gosh, I was in jail for four months like trying to fight this thing. That's when everybody came to visit me. And Nicole, you know, like she said in the documentary, she said, yeah, she said, no, no, no, no, I'm going to call people. And she started calling people and she found me a lawyer that got me a year in jail.

Alaleh Cameron. Alaleh Cameron, she got me a year instead of seven. And I went to rehab for like six months. So you had to go to prison for one year. Jail, luckily, which allowed me to get my strike removed so I'm not a violent felon. And why, so jail is nicer than prison? Well, if you go to prison,

you can't have your strike removed for like an aggressive crime. Oh okay. Meaning a three strike law. Yeah. So now the strike's removed, the felony was reduced to a misdemeanor instead of being a felony. It was a miracle.

Did you have a roommate in the jail or did you have your own cell? Oh no no I had roommates. They asked me, when I went to jail I'm standing in the line and To go through the x-ray machine and they go Seven nine four five all back of the line. I'm just like sitting there and some dudes like dude dude. That's you like what? Oh crap, so I get out the back of the line and we go for another 30 minutes Seven nine one four four four back of the line. I'm like, that's me again? They just kept putting me at the back of the line

until there was nobody else coming in. The doors were closed, and I'm the last person through the X-ray machine, and they go, dude, come here, and turn a computer screen. They go, was this you? And they pull up some Baywatch stuff, and I go, yeah. By the way, I have no tooth, I literally look like Charlie Manson,

like I really did. And they go, is this you? They go, do you need like protective custody? Which is where you go hang out with the child molesters and the snitches and all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, and don't do this to me. Like don't, like, now I'm gonna walk in there, they, and don't do this to me. Like, don't. Tell everyone. No, tell everyone. Now I'm gonna walk in there, they're gonna wonder

if I'm some kind of informant or something. You're making like my life in danger. Like, please, tell, ignore me. Tell nobody anything. Yeah. Yeah. That was a funny deal. So then what happened? I did my time.

So did they, but did they, was it doable? Like, did they make it kind of okay? Or was it, it was doable? Yeah, it was doable. I got in a couple fights, I got a concussion. I was puking for a couple days I mean kids fucking scary like I remember I knew of Jeremy and I was like I don't fuck with that guy I've been doing you're actually doing Triathlons at the same time and I would see him like training and I'd be like that dude's fucking pretty ripped and I was

Like sort of competing with him at far, but I knew it's history I'm like fuck with that guy. Like he was, when I first met him, I was like, I didn't know if I loved the guy or was like absolutely terrified of him. It was like this really weird, because all you do is you hear things. You hear, you know, and I remember I had a friend

when I first moved to LA, his mom was a casting director and she was just like, oh, that's the kid from Baywatch that does meth. Like that's like what you were told. And meth is like the worst drug to your mind. And she would just be like, oh, that's the kid from Baywatch that does meth. Like, that's like what you were told. Really? And meth is like the worst drug, you know, to your mind. I'm definitely a Dr. Jekyll Mr. Hyde. When I'm on the right path, I'm the best friend you ever had.

And when I'm on the wrong path, steer, kind of hide away from the children. So he was terrified when I first met him. But then I kind of got to know him, and I just realized how honest and kind of open he was, and what just a great human being he is. Takes what it takes. He's probably terrible. I've never met him on math, which is probably not a good one to meet, but. And so what is, like what have you been doing now?

Obviously you worked on this, but like what else is going on in your life professionally and personally? Yeah, so I have a men's retreat in Costa Rica we do every two and a half months. It's called the Balanced Man Retreat, freedom through discipline, stoicism, meditations, overcoming fears, community, interconnection.

We do a lot of waterfall hikes and shooting bow and arrows and surf and helping people catch their first wave ever. But really, it's a paradise out there, first and foremost, but coming together just as men and helping moms get better sons back and sons get better dads back and employers get better employees back or employees get better bosses back,

sending men back out into the world a better version of themselves. So that's a beautiful thing. I run a company called Energy Wellness Group in Orange County. We facilitate over 46 therapeutic wellness groups in rehabilitation centers and mental health facilities and detoxes.

So every day we're out there meditating with people, loving on people, tuning their chakras, or teaching the power through constructive thinking and goal setting and helping them win their day and survive. In talking about your story of having the one glass of wine after all those years and the rats and everything, very fascinating.

Because I have spoken on this, I really have no right to speak on it, in fact, because I am not a therapist, I haven't studied it. But I have said, there are people that feel like AA doesn't work and that there are other methods or maybe it was your thing was cocaine and therefore a couple years later you can have a beer here and there and I've said that and I've gotten people like angry with me that I've even said that.

Everybody's got an opinion. I don't know because I've never had to give it up for any other reason except, oh, I'm taping something in three days and I wanna look a little thinner and better. I've been very lucky. I do have alcoholics and stuff within my family. And I think that's one of the reasons why I was like, oh my God, I enjoy it so much and I like it so much

and I like the glassware, I like all the stuff. So I think respected it to a level where I didn't ever have to like end up in Promises. But then there was always that part that was like, I wonder if I would like going to Promises. You know what I mean? I told you I used to visit Britney Spears there. Okay, tell us about that.

This is actually a great segue, so. I did that video in 2004, the toxic video. And that was like- You're like one of the dancers of the boyfriend? On the day she makes out with him in the airplane. Oh, okay. So it's me, Tyson Beckford and Martin Henderson, I think was the actor.

And so we met and I think she was like interested, you know, and I was just- To date or something, yeah. And I was like, that's a little scary for me. Like not my thing. And she was not like kind of what she was interested, you know? And I was just like, that's a little scary for me. Like not my thing. And she was not like kind of what she is today, but she had like a very different personality than I think the public persona was.

But this is before the shaved head. Really close. Okay. And so we, I think she went off and married Kevin Federline, like around then. And I was friends with her manager, so I would like see Larry and like whatever, and then I was dating an actress,

and she ended up going to Promises, and this is around the same time. The actress that you're dating. Yes. Okay. This is around the same time that Brittany was, you know, shaved the head and did the whole thing, and I think she was separated from Kevin at the time. So she ends up being fucking Brittany's roommate,

it promises. So here I am visiting my girlfriend and she's like, hi. And she's like, she's like pumping her breasts for her children at the time. And I'm like, what? I'm like, I think I'm like 26, 27. I'm like, what fucking reality do I live in right now? And there's like all these other actors there.

And I won't say their names because I don't think it's ever been public that they were Right there, but it was like it was like the Vanity Fair fucking party of like we're up there. I'm visiting my girlfriend with the writer of like ten things I hate about you Karen and then She was the head of Vanity Fair and now she's got a big job at Netflix. I'm like sitting there like, what the fuck? Britney's got her bobbed wig and breast pumping in the corner and I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?

So anyways, I had spent some time with her there and years later, Larry ran into me and I had broken up with my girlfriend that I was with when she was their roommate. And Larry's like, hey, you know, do you wanna like, Britney's having a barbecue at her house and she lived up on like Mahal in the States. It's funny, I saved actually the little pass you get

when you go in there, because I just thought it was so fucking weird. Yeah. And I found it when I moved recently. I'm like, oh, this is the pass type thing. And so I go up there thinking I'm going to a barbecue and it's just me and her. Like I got like trapped and what year is this around? 12 probably 2012. It's probably the last last time I actually spoke to her and stuff. And I it was so awkward. She probably thinks I'm gay because like I was just I just like there was obviously I. She probably thinks I'm gay. Cause like I was just, I just, like there was obviously,

I think she probably wanted to hook up, but I just was like so weird about it. Yeah. I just left. I just fucking left. And there was like a garage door opener. They gave me that like had opened all the gates and she just gave it to me,

which is probably a security breach when you're Britney Spears type thing. So I like, I got out and like her bodyguard, who I'd known for years, I think it was Rob at the time, he's like, see you later. And I go, do you need this? He goes, she gave that to you?

I go, yeah. He goes, let me take that. And I don't think I ever heard from her again after that. And that was it. That was it. And that was, I remember she had to go film how I met your mother the next day. So that would be the film How I Met Your Mother the next day. So that would be the date.

Like she was filming the next day. And she, what was crazy, she killed it in those sitcoms. She was awesome. She was great. What do you think about now when you see her Instagram, post book? Well, I'll just put it out there because ABC has been pushing me

to try to get a Britney Spears interview because they think like an actual reporter, like a Diane Sawyer or something like that. It wouldn't work They want someone unconventional like me. So they're like if you can facilitate that so we would love to facilitate an interview with her where she Controls the interview top to bottom. Yeah You know, I don't I haven't I haven't any contact with her in like over a decade So it's like you don't things happen in people's lives, you know, there's contact with her in like over a decade, so it's like, you don't, things happen in people's lives. You know, there's obviously a lot that happens in a decade.

I'm not the same person I was when I saw her in rehab in 2010, and I can't imagine she's the same person. My own personal thing is I think, I think people reach a breaking point when you're in the public eye like that for so long and I think even when I knew her years and years and years and years ago She her reality is so different from our reality her reality is so different from almost other celebrities because she

From a very very young age is the earner and the boss to adults Which totally fucks your because when you're a child the adult is the theer and the boss to adults. Which totally fucks your, because when you're a child, the adult is the person in power, it's the person you respect. But when you're 18 years old and you're paying for 25 people's salary and you realize that,

then it's like, well, why are you telling me to do what I wanna do? I think she's at a point where, and the whole Free Britney thing, I don't know if that was a good or bad thing, it's really not my place to say, but I think she was just fucking tired of being controlled by everyone

and tired of being the money maker. And if I wanna dance in my room all fucking day long and put it on social media, again, her reality is not our reality. She's not really probably paying attention. People are like, oh my god, she looks crazy. Did you see her dancing with knives? Well, there's no comments also.

She has no comments. She just sees the likes and views. She doesn't give a fuck. So, yeah. And that is sort of beautiful in its own way because someone like her is always judged from what she looks like to what she's doing. Oh, her teeth look different.

Oh, this, that, like no one, and that was sort of even coming back to the Baywatch actors. Speaking of the teeth though, I wanna say, because that is something that, you know, conspiracy theories were like, it's not her or whatever. I think it's always been her. She took a fucking retainer out.

But I think the teeth moved. She just retained her, she probably had a wire. But some people say the teeth are, could be, No. That. Are they filed way down? teeth are could be No Yeah Do you know about the Are they filed way down? No

They just have spaces They just have spaces but they still are like white and like look okay they're just not together I feel it's either you have bonds or you had a wire in them because a lot of people have a wire in their bottom or upper teeth that keep them together forever and she probably just doesn't she doesn't give a fuck. If you're a little kid and you have spaces and you get braces to put your teeth together

and then you don't wear your retainer to keep them there, they'll spread back on. Also too, if you look at even, look at like pretty actors, even male ones, they get tired of being told they're pretty. And the most beautiful people often rebel against being beautiful. That's why I have the beard.

I'm tired of being beautiful. And well, it's just, you don't give a fuck. Like you look at Jared Leto in his younger career, the dude is like as pretty as a woman, but he would always fight, like Fight Club, he plays this weird guy that gets the shit kicked out of him that has bleach blonde hair, you know, he would always have choices to play against type.

And I think people like Britney Spears, they've just been so sexualized their whole lives that, you know what, fuck it, I got space between my teeth. If I wanna fix it, I can fix it. And if I don't, who cares? And how do you explain it? I have a couple more questions before I forget. There's a part in the show where on your 16th birthday,

they present you with this car that I guess. A rocket ship, did you see that thing? So was it a real car? And this is, you know, in the recovery program you gotta work on these resentments, right? And I think this one I just can't let go of, man. David Hasselhoff gives me this super car on my 16th birthday, yes.

So it's like a red convertible? E Entertainment come down to cover it and it gives me a giant gift box with a smaller box inside, with a smaller box inside, with a smaller box inside, until I get down to this little box. They just drew it out on E Entertainment. Look at David Hasselhoff. Such a caring guy.

Such a loving guy. Here's this car for my 16th birthday of my TV son. I'm the best dad. And I never got the car. I'm still waiting for the car from Dennis. So wait, so you took a photo with it, and then what, the key to the car? A video, they did a whole segment on it on ET.

But where did the car go after the cameras left? Ask David, man, I just never got it. But when they did the whole thing, then you were like. They raffled it off. The story goes. Then you go, oh, well, could I drive it home? And they're like, what? The story goes, they wanted to build me a custom one that was a little safer than that one that had a roll bar in it. Oh, well, can I drive it home? And they're like, what? The story goes, they wanted to build me a custom one that

was a little safer than that one that had a roll bar in it. Oh, OK. And then the company went bankrupt before they finished the car. We never got the car. Oh. But you know, is that an excuse not to get me some other car? Yeah.

I didn't get my driver's license till I was 24. That's how long I waited for David Hasloff to give me a frickin' car. I swear. Hand of God. The other. I swear hand to God The other thing I was gonna ask is let me just get your guys's opinion on everything that's happening with P. Diddy and Justin Bieber because all I see is dildos and baby oil. That's all I've that's that's dominated the news Baby oil and dildos it's

784 dildos it's 784 dildos The oil looked a little yellow and baby oil is clear I'm very curious as to what kind I don't know that we've actually seen a bottle of the actual what brand it was But that's what was in the report all the guys that went down You know me coming here in the early 2000s at like 20 years old We knew those guys were bad. Like everyone knew. You know, Russell Simmons went on, everyone knew. Everyone knew that P. Diddy was doing shit.

Like maybe not to the extent, but you knew that there was bad shit going on. With women and men, because you've been in the modeling industry. Yes, there's always the rumors of, oh, so and so's gay, so and so's gay, this actor's gay. And then, you know, that was at the time where you had like, you know, gay bookers

and stuff like that, where they would just say everyone was gay. You're like, oh, well, they just, they tell it, they say everybody's gay. So you don't really believe it. But I mean, those rumors, everyone knew. I mean, no, everyone knew what you were getting into with Harvey Weinstein if you got invited.

Like, no one didn't know. It was just unsaid, and these people were making money for the industry. Everyone knew what you're getting into with Harvey Weinstein if you got invited like no one didn't know it's just on Said and these people were making money for the industry So, you know the industry normally hides these people till they can't any longer and then when they can't any longer you get you get eaten quickly Right, but I mean if some random fucking kid from Wisconsin knows danger danger danger danger Trust me people a little bit higher higher up in the industry know as well. So as a good looking young model male, though you're straight, were you invited to parties?

I used to get invited. I mean, I was talking to my wife the other night and like we were actually talking about the P Diddy thing and I was like, again, just being fucking stupid with my movie. I had been so close to really bad shit happening and being completely oblivious that it was even there. Like, you go to these parties and because I was sort of innocent, I never did drugs, I never really drank. I was sort of like the fly on the wall that liked to see everything, but I wanted

to be in control all the time. But I mean, really sketchy shit. Like I used to cater when I didn't have any money. When I first moved here, I used to cater for a company and they used to send me to not just cater, I'd do like the door for like these real sort of high profile like gay men and do the door and stuff. What do you mean do the door?

Like basically just be the guy at the front, be like, oh, you can come in, you can come in, you can come in, like with a clipboard of names. Oh okay got it. And really everyone can come in, they just want you standing up front so the party looks good. Right, that looks exclusive. But some of the shit that ended up going down

at those parties, because I would just do my thing and take my money and I'd go home. But if you stayed a little later, that's when the bad shit happened. And yeah, I mean I have been that close to, you know, sort of like a ditty type experience with numerous high profile people, but just actually not realizing it's happening until years later when they go down for something else you're like, oh.

Can you explain like a little bit of like where you didn't really realize like that you were, you know, in this position or that you were being like secretly propositioned and you just were like too naive to see it? Yeah I did a funny like this is 20 years for I even lived in Malibu I was to do a party for a really high music executive and his friend who's a who was a big music manager who died, very well known, openly gay, powerful men. And yeah, that party was fucking yuck. Like, gross.

But I saw it sort of start to happen, but I'm just like, these are just gay guys. You know, they like men and like whatever, I don't, so I'm gonna go home and they're gonna do their thing. No judgment like it is what it is, but then the On the non-consensual like if you want to do weird shit, and it's two consensual adults Okay, it's not my business, but when it's underage and you saw some of that Yeah, and it's like and I don't know how underage these people were but they definitely were like

Bridgen 18 and these men were you know 70 60s Which is weird and you know I used to see it with with It's straight guys do you know same thing. It's just We were not I think by mid-2000s were a little bit more aware, but I think early 2000s I think even like with you know we're a little bit more aware, but I think early 2000s, I think even with Nicole and the Scott situation, it was technically probably consensual, but Nicole's underage.

That's the problem. But Scott's generation, that was happening all the time. I mean, if you look at, I've seen online, they put performers like Mick Jagger dated a 14-year-old when he was 30. Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley, it was. Jerry Lee Lewis.

It's not correct, but it was somehow accepted. And I think there's these generation, as things change, they don't. And they're like, what do you mean? I was dating a 14-year-old when I was 20. No one gave a shit, it was fine. But it's not, it's just that people used to turn a blind eye to it, and they don't anymore.

And I think even in the early 2000s, you're aware that it's not, it's just that people used to turn a blind eye to it and they don't anymore. And I think even in the early 2000s, you're aware that it's wrong, but you're like, I don't know, maybe that's just how Hollywood is. That's just what it is, that's just what you do. Because I remember there were photographers that we worked with that I never had an issue with, that got me to and canceled some of the best photographers in the world They were incredible super respectful But if you were a straight guy and you were willing to do whatever it took to get the cover or get the campaign or whatever We can maybe happen. That's probably why I wasn't very successful Yeah

Didn't polish enough knobs, you know, it know just seeing with the girls Yeah, and I'm like, yeah I look at like some other people that were that I came up with that were funny women too and they had you know boyfriends and things that helped were powerful or write them into things and stuff and I Just never that just wasn't the path I had And I don't even fault the wasn't the path I had. And it's- And I don't even fault the people that do because I think a lot of the people that do,

they are in the relationship and in their mind, they like this person for that amount of time and they're helping them go to the next level and whatever, if it's consensual, you're two adults, I don't care. There can be a 40 year age gap, you're still adults, it is what it is type thing. But I just think that

Hollywood for the longest time sorta just got away with the hall pass and be like, well that's just how it is. Like if you wanna work with this guy, just kinda how it is. Maybe it'll work for you, maybe it won't, but if you do a little extra, you're probably gonna do better type thing. I think the thing that always bothers me about

sexual harassment from the most innocent level to the worst in Hollywood is not the people that play along and it helps. It's the people that maybe didn't play along and then you're like blackballed. Or they hit on you and they are afraid that now you're gonna share that story So they're gonna make sure you're never in a room of power I mean, I never I never that's the part that pisses me off the most Yeah, but I never when someone hit on you, I'm always flattered gay or straight, you know, it's like it's like oh, that's nice I'm just not for me. But thanks, right, right, but there has been there's been cases where it's like But there's been cases where it's like, like with Louis CK jacking off in front of women

that didn't ask to be jacked off in front of. That's a little awkward. And yeah, and I think- I really liked him too, and I gave me a really, I'm like, God, he's such a smart comic, and seeing the- The thing that pissed me off most about that whole thing is that the girls that it you know, that it happened to after this comedy festival thing and they were like, they were literally like, is this

a joke? And then it's happening and they had each other and they left. It was like, they could not get a job after that as comedy writers. And I was like, that's because he was afraid what you saw. Yeah, he was like, I don't want these girls telling this story of what a creep I was, because he realized they weren't happy about it, and they weren't really participatory and cool with it. So then he was like, oh, I misjudged that one. Let's make sure this story never gets out. And that's what bothers me the most about, hey,

if you sleep with the person willingly and get the part and then go, great, I never have to sleep with another gross person again because now everyone sees my talent and off we go. Fine, use your sexuality. Use it as long as you chose to use it. They realize it is a powerful thing. I mean, yeah, I don't know.

I just, there are things, you know, there's things that I've seen that you could say and you could probably really hurt someone's credibility or whatever, but the fact of the matter is it's like, why hold on to it? It happened. There's no reason to hurt someone because they hurt you 30 years ago type thing.

I always find out that any of these people that are quote unquote bad people, it always comes to the surface. It may not be your story, because trust me, they did it to you, they did it to five other people. And strength in numbers, that one of the five is gonna come forward, and if you get a me too moment,

all five are gonna come forward. Maybe 25 will come forward. So, I don't know. Any stories I tell, whether it be Brittany in rehab, or stuff like that, those are not damning stories. I mean, everyone knows that she was there. I just happened to be there, which I thought was bizarre. Yeah. Would you guys be okay with me jacking off in front of you right now?

Um, well... I'm just thinking about what kind of mind enjoys jacking off in front of people that don't want to be jacked off in front of? I don't know. People are weird. It's a weird power thing. Who knows? Well, listen, on that note... On publicly masturbation.

It wasn't a no. I just went, it wasn't a no. After Baywatch 4 episodes on Hulu, Who knows well listen on that note? I'm publicly masturbation After Baywatch four episodes on Hulu now you can stream it is there anything else where can people follow you? What else you what do you have coming up to be honest with you? I'm at a stage where I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing next to figure out what I'm doing next. If anything, I mean I may just fuck around and be a dad in Malibu and have some kids and call it a day because I overworked myself

for the past five years. Jeremy's got his retreats, you can follow him on social media, Jeremy Jackson Fitness. I just created Instagram because of this. I didn't have Instagram prior to this, so I have one, but I'm it's not worth following I thought I was gonna get rich making a documentary about the guy who lost four million dollars on a Baywatch documentary I'm like almost bummed. It's doing so well cuz I was like dude. That's the documentary

trash cans Made you think Appreciate your kind of explaining because you know we I until there was streaming I never really saw a lot of documentaries there'd be a documentary like Oscar thing and I'd be sitting at home as a 15 year old I'm like, where do people even watch these documentaries? Whatever now we all watch them now We're all experts a lot of value to and and but so many times I'd be watching you know them and they'd be going on for years and years and years and I would wonder

Who is paying for this? Where is this person? At the hotel, how are they fall? That's what I think the actors didn't realize because they just thought it was having like guys Who the fuck do you think every time I roll a camera? It's like at least five, it's between five and $30,000. If it's Carmen Electra who has like hair and makeup team, you know, you're not paying her,

but you have to pay for her deal. And I go, where do you think like the money comes from? You think it just falls from the fucking sky? Like we can't fuck these up. Like if you wanna do this interview, I need to know what the story is and you need to be on today because we're not doing it again.

So, yeah, I don't think people realize that these things are labors of love and even though Baywatch is a commercial, probably safer subject, no one's getting rich doing these things. Nobody's getting rich. I mean, we heard one of my friends overheard at the rap party, or not rap party, the premiere party

of how much I sold this for. It was some like ridiculous fucking number. So it wasn't correct. And I was like, that would be fucking great, but no, not even close. Like put a minus in front of it, you know? Yeah. But we, you know, I probably could have made

a little bit of a profit on this if I would have done a different route and sold the territory rather than All World. But I- Or if you would have tucked trash on everybody. Well, no, not that. I don't think that would have enhanced it. I just think I wanted the actors

to get the bang for their buck and I wanted myself to get my bang for the buck. I mean, they put in a couple million dollars of print and advertising for this. Which you don't really get in documentary. And they were really behind this and they really promoted it. And Disney was the best deal for everybody. Maybe not financially, but if you're going into documentary to make money, you're going to the wrong business to start with. But to be able to sell a product, not only a 90-minute movie, but to be able to sell a self-funded four-part series

that had zero distributor and zero pre-steal from the beginning to someone that's never done this before, who sold it by himself to Disney, it's like a lottery ticket. I mean, it's like, it's my friends that are in the film business, the other big agents, like, oh, dude, we should do this documentary. I go, my business model is the worst fucking business model you could ever, like, it doesn't work.

Like, it's literally just because I wouldn't stop, and because people kept trying to push me, I just said, fuck it, like, there's no way we're gonna fail with this. I just refused to fail. And if it wasn't for Muriel Pearson at ABC News, who I had met just doing a free interview, I don't think we would have had a deal.

We love you Muriel. I don't think we'd have a deal. Well this has been awesome. Everybody watch it, it's really interesting. It's really a cool piece of pop culture history, TV history. So I think it'll be interesting to watch if you're not overly aware of it.

It's, you know, if you're younger people. And you don't even have to like Baywatch to watch it. There's a lot of human interest stories in it. That's what I'm saying. It's very universal. Yeah, and kind of like just a Hollywood story, basically. Thank you so much. Thanks, guys.

Thank you.