Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - BravoCon Mistakes, Jen Shah Banned, and Only Fans' Lindsey Pelas

Episode Date: October 18, 2022

Don't forget;) I am on tour! Get tickets at heathermcdonald.net I'm back from my Live Juicy Scoop Streaming show in NYC and bringing the scoop from attending BravoCon. Is Bravo done with RHSLC Jen Shah since pleading guilty? Why does Erika state PK and Dorit are the next to split up? Heather Dubrow got snubbed. Then I give predictions and tips on how to make Bravocon better for Bravo, the stars, and the fans. Then I talk to Lindsey Pelas, who has over 8 Million followers on Instagram. We get into sexual harassment in the restaurant industry and how her life changed after attending a Playboy mansion party. What it is like to date Dan Bilzerian and what those private jet and multi-girlfriend extravagant vacations are like. She shares how she has become one of the top creators on Only Fans, including some marketing secrets. Lindsey is humble, honest, intelligent, funny, and, of course, gorgeous so enjoy. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I am back from my weekend doing my show. I'm wearing this adorable shirt. This is two cute guys gave me. Of course, on my YouTube, if you like watching me on YouTube, I have these some great photos from the weekend. And I'm sorry about these two cute guys.

I don't remember their names, but they did give me this shirt, which is my scoop is juicier than yours with McDonald on the back in 70, because that's the year I was born. I'm proud to be on this earth this long. Also, super cute outfit. Thank you, Alice in Olivia. You know I love their stuff.

So I felt like a million bucks doing my show. I want to thank everybody who went. And basically the show is even more juicy scoop than I'm going to reveal right now that and so much more juice with Carlos King. And you can still watch it for the next five days on the street where you go to haven't McDonald's net, but it was so great. Plating theater.

Now this crowd, this is what it was like. Just crazy crowd waiting in line at no not Robbacon to come see me. I really do appreciate it. Oh, so I really do appreciate because I know what a busy weekend it was for the people that were running around New York. So let's get into the scoop, some of the latest scoop that's happened since I've left.

Oh, also, I gave out these little onesies. People love the Juicy Scoop onesies, the latest onesie, which I gave out to a very pregnant girl. I think she's doing like a week, but she came to my show, which is the Juicy juicy scoop is here, is how I got here. That is also at Heather McTall.net.

I love the onesies because, you know, the babies, they just get into it right, come from home from the hospital, and they look smashing. Okay, so I've been seeing everything like you guys have. Page six has been putting a lot up, a lot of other, of my other favorite content providers who are, were there, who are in Tabravo, we're posting a lot.

I was posting stuff. But I'm going to talk about the things that, that I find the GCSE. So in one of the panels, Erica Jane got asked, it was a big question, Erica Jane had to ask it. And they mixed a lot of different franchises and stuff together on all the panels. So this was just one of them and I believe it happened Sunday. They asked her, um, who will be the next couple to split up? And Erica didn't have to think about it. And she said, they're eight and BK. And then spun around and

went back to her seat. And my first thought, and I actually wrote it on the Page Six article, was, what a gross question to ask. Sorry, Bravo, like, gross. You know, a lot of people were saying, Heather, why weren't you asked to run a panel? Hey, if they ask me next time, I'll consider it, but I would never have asked that question if I had to.

I think, you know, no matter what, as much as we love to talk about the gossip and everything, these are families. And I'm not mad at Erica Jane either because that's what people want to see, unfortunately, they want to see the snarky and the meanness, but it just kind of was like, wow, I don't know. Maybe, I'm hoping that Erica walked back and said to her, maybe this is going to get us next season don't even worry about it i know you're good babe

i don't know but maybe there is something more deep rooted into it it got people talking talking about it today but for me i thought the question was gross okay also had the dobro i guess stated that um... let's see that she said the erica jane has been the rudest to her out of all the housewives from all over the Erica Jane has been the rudest to her out of all the housewives from all over the franchise, according to Heather DeBro and there was some major snubby.

Now let me tell you about how crazy Bravo Cone is. So when it happened three years ago, it was so many less people. I heard that it was 5,000 people in 2019 and this week it was 35,000 people. Now the place definitely could hold that many people, this big Javit Center, but there were a lot of problems with it and you probably heard people were comparing it to online con meaning or waiting in line con meaning they had to wait in line so much that a bravo con that it was like a fire festival. And I had my ticket, I went with Annie and I walked in

and it was really, listen, I felt like, you know, when the midnight walked in, I felt like Sally Field when we'll be Goldberg, tried to cheer her up and soap dish and took her to the mall in New Jersey. I mean, I really did love it, but it made me nervous because at a certain point I wanted to get to the panels that I wanted to see that I wanted to report on and people kept stopping me for photos and I felt like, oh my god, now if I say no, after I just took seven photos because I'm losing time and if I'm going to

miss out on my chance to talk to my friends who are talent or watch their panel, then is that person gonna go tell Page Six and say, have them at all snubbed me? And even among the talent, they have so many people like I was backstage with many of the talent throughout the day on Friday. And I'm talking to them, we're taking photos, but there's like limited time and everybody's grabbing at each other. And I think the talent does really love being together in backstage before the watch Robins live so that they can act take photos.

Many of them are friends from different franchise. Let's get dinner, let's get drinks, come on my podcast, whatever. But you know, what's Heather DeBros snubbed? I don't know. Probably everybody felt snubbed by someone one time or another throughout the weekend. I just don't think anyone can behave completely pleasing to every single person's time because it was crazy. And a lot of people were very hungry.

Something I heard is that they did not plan meal breaks for this talent. And I know people want to be skinny, but you know, you don't eat after. Well, at a certain point, I had to get some food. And I was getting, you know, so many people were being so sweet and wanting to get a photo with me, which you guys know I love that. But at a certain point, Annie had to scream,

she's going to faint again. And then people were like, I'm your biggest fan. Wait, you fainted and I'm like, well, then you're not my biggest fan. If you don't know that I fainted, then you are not my biggest fan. But no, seriously, and then I got to this room that was part of the SVIP where they said there was food. And I thought there was going to be sandwiches and stuff. There were chips and cookies and kind bars, which is really all you need as you're running to the next thing but

you know that was my other complaint also i would say the people working at the java senate with the bravo concharts on all extremely nice polite people now i'm assuming they this is a gig that they had to hire to do this show however you think if you walk up to someone with a bravo concert and you're like, which way is the don't be for the tardy stage or which way is the Giovanni stage that they

would be able to say it's that way. Literally, how many people do we ask Annie? Like 15 of like, where do I go for the S.V.I.P. place? Where's the bathrooms? Literally nobody knew. One email i got because i'm a taiso if there was ever a convention full of people that might have carren uh... true tendencies it's fucking bravo con

it's a lot of carons and a good thing about a caron is that they know when they've been wronged and they know how to write an excellent email afterwards. And some of these girls were writing me to be like, Heather, can you get the word out? I want to give you the scoop of what went wrong. So there were some things that went wrong. I think for the most part, it's really fucking fun. I don't like that people are like, ew, what is this? Who would go to a convention about Bravo?

Okay, so what about Comic Con what about crime con what about uh... all the millions of thousands of thousands of dollars that men over their lifetime spent on going to football games you know if you want to spend five or six thousand dollars on a blowout killer week we can in new york once a year i think this is a great freaking thing to do. So anyway, that's what I was gonna say about that, what I heard and that like, you know,

some of the seats that were reserved for the people that had the special tickets, they didn't get to sit there. At one point there was this stampede because Andy walked out right before real housewives of Beverly Hills panel, which everyone thought was gonna be, you know, the juiciest moment of all, which I did too.

And I had the special bracelet, but at that point, it was too late. And I didn't have a seat. So then I just went to a few rows where I saw people had saved seats. And I said, who would like to give me their empty seat next to you that you're saving for no one? I will give you all the juicy scoop and a very nice woman named Chris said, come sit next

to me. If you got nothing nice to say, sit next to me. So I'm like, I'm right here. So I sat right down and the girls all look gorgeous. Yes, they started to boo when we're not walked out. Should a long walk. But by the time she got on the stage, she flipped them off and they cheered. So to be honest, there was really not much juice in that.

I cover a lot of this on the livestream if you want to watch that, but that was something that was interesting. Also with Heather DeBro at the Bravo at the Watcher Habits Live taping, there was, that was, they were having technical difficulties, so that took a long taping, but if you were there, it was kind of fun because Andy was between the breaks. He was, you know, for not for the show to be seen, just for the people in the audience. He was going around and asking all the different talent. There was 140 people on stage, different questions, and that part was really fun. So I believe you went up to Tamer, and like tamer your back how's it going

and she's like well i'm saving the show i'm making it watchable something like that and then they go what do you think hether who was down at the other end of the row from her and hether to bro uh... basically said something like well i believe the whole is greater than the sum of its parts or whatever that expression is.

And she was very eloquent and if she was running for Miss California, though I do believe she wasn't a pageant when she was younger, I want to say she was like in Miss Syracuse or like as a former Miss Tarzanic contestant. She said it beautifully, it was very nice, but it was one of those answers that I definitely think she had thought about and it was good. So I think OC is going to be really good. But yeah, you know, did Erica Jane maybe snubber?

Possibly or she didn't even know, or like I said, you're distracted and whatever. She was Miss Syracuse. possibly or she didn't even know or like I said you're distracted and whatever. She was missyricious. She was miscongeniality in the New York State pageant, good for you, Heather DeBrow, you handled yourself great when asked that question. I was there. Now Jen Shaw of Salt Lake City.

This was the last two days of this was going crazy between Saturday and Sunday. Apparently ever since she said that, to court, yes, I am guilty. She is now going to be sentenced. I think it got pushed. It was going to be November. I think it got pushed to December now. According to the sources that I have,

allegedly, once she admitted to being guilty after she had said over and over on Innocent, she said it on Watchroom 5. She said it to Andy. she said it on interview, she said it to her castmates, her producers. Once she admitted to her guilt, they said, we're done with you now. We're done with you. And I don't know if that means she's not going to make any more watch what happens live

appearances up until she goes to prison. Does that mean she won't go to the reunion? But she was not invited to participate in bravo con. But she showed up anyway to New York City in a ball gown with her glam squad and went to the hotel that they were all staying at. And according to Tamara, like when to Tamara's room and plopped in her makeup chair and got some free touch-ups and

Said I'm coming anyway. I'm gonna come to the watch what happens live taping right now and Tamer then let Andy know or somebody know and they said we have extra security. You're not welcome She then went on to say this is all not true. If you want a Twitter. It's not true. I Was paid anyway for bra Conses so there. Well, you don't get paid before you make an appearance. I believe what happened is they're told they're going to get their paycheck for their time, which I don't think is a lot of money.

Of course, their accommodations and everything are covered. But I don't really know how much I care. And Glamour covered. I know they have to get their own outfits. So it's not like a money making experience for these celebrities, these housewives and stuff. But I mean, if you wanna play the game and keep your job, be a corporate girl and show up.

But in this case, I think that, you know, I think she got herself there and she's pretty delusional. And I think they really are done with her. So my question is, will she do the reunion or she will do the reunion because that was part of her contract before she said she was guilty? I don't know. I find this really juicy and I want to know more about it.

Of course, I was watching Salt Lake City and I think that one is getting juicy or two, the actual show. They did announce the new cast members for the real housewives of New York. I don't really know any of them, but they're all very attractive. They're looked to be all in their 30s or early 40s. Many of them are mothers and business women. They all seem to have like somewhat of a legit career. Of course, there's a plastic surgeon's wife. I feel like that is like every franchise needs to have one plastic surgeon's wife.

Everybody has a lot of people on Instagram, a good decent, following an Instagram except one only has 2,000 people, but this one girl right here, she wore kind of a crazy outfit, her juicy scoop, she had a, she's like a designer, she does everything from like clothing, she used to work for like J. Crew or something. Anyway, she was married with a couple kids or a child and now she's a latent life lesbian with a woman. She's also sporting a natural gray kind of hair in the front, which as I age, thank God for Madison Reed.

But I don't know if this is a trend to let the gray come, I might enjoy it. Not right now, but good for you, girl. But also when you're going great, 30, it still looks kind of better on your face. So they're all very chic. They're all live in the city. And I think the whole thing is, let's invest in younger women. Because hopefully I think the goal of Bravo is that these girls are hit.

And just like the previous cast of Real House of New York, they go on for 15 years. So the next question is, are they going to do the legends of New York cast? And here is my prediction. There's nothing in the works about that. So I think what's going to happen is they are going to wait a minute. They're going to also see, let me get to, they're going to also see how Lou Ann and Sony's new show, welcome to Crapi Lake, does, they showed that trailer where the two of them go on some adventures in a small town and very much like the simple life and then we saw that trailer during one of

the panels i think they're going to see how that does and before they think about bringing any of the cast back together for a real season of real housewives my prediction as they definitely will still employ romona so now and and uh... you know it probably j's there and two and Cynthia Bailey. The legends of the franchise that are not currently on cast are just going to do more

of those ultimate girl trip things because financially, I think to pay them each about a hundred thousand for a week and only have paid a crew for a week and still get eight nine episodes out of it sometimes. And they're so well received and they're so juicy that it's like a win for everybody. And it's also kind of a win also for the talent. You know, they're not sharing their families. They can just have fun for a week or it's not so fun.

But still, they knock it out and they stay relevant and they can still come back to Bravo con and we still good to see our girls and kind of that's the direction i think they're gonna go and because i think that complain of like bringing the legends back of new york is like i don't know do we need to see you know so you get drunk and rhamuna possibly say something that offend somebody and then apologize for i just feel like right now they

are gonna take this time to break from it to kind of see where to go. But you know I love all these girls and you know love Luann and so I want them to always still stay in the franchise, but that's what I think they're going to do. I think they're going to let the new cast of New York breath for like a year being the only New York cast. New York breathe for like a year being the only New York cast. It's my prediction. OK, the other great, OK, the ultimate girls trip, which won't come out until 2023, season three, where they go to Thailand. Is it Thailand? That looks really funny, really juicy. Annie went to a producer session on it on Friday morning.

And the question came up, lia of new york throw elephant shit at her cast and then have the tyland government throw her out and they said well there was um... there was water with elephants and there was shit in the water and they wanted them all the girls to get in there the producers did and the girls didn't but lia did and then when she got in

there then she splashed the elephant shit water at the other girls but it was your understanding she was not thrown out of the country right she was not thrown out of the country but that incident did happen they show a small clip of it um... which is so gross. I was always really grossed out when they also went

to the Bahamas and they'd go on those horseback riding in the ocean and then you'd see the horses shit and then like one of them would fall off. Like I never wanna be in bodies of water with animals in their shit. Like, oh, anyway. So good for Lealea was wearing a real weird outfit i forgot to put photo on in here we should have combra on and pants of very julia fox of her

and i thought maybe they would have included her in the new cast because she is younger but they did not so i think she's probably i don't know what's gonna happen to her but that's not a great sign. Let me see what else I have here. Jen, Jen from Real Housewives of New Jersey.

So as you know, they split up the panels. They were all supposed to be together with their spouses. They split up the panels. So that Teresa and Louis ande and Melissa were not together and they were asked about it and Melissa said it wasn't because of me i i looked forward to being on the stage with Teresa and telling her what i think it's my understanding they made calls to make this split happen Teresa said no it's you know not true

i'm just she acted very innocent throughout the whole weekend about it but in this panel jennifer who is good friends with thresa who was on the thresa panel with their spouses said i think joe and mullissa are hanging on for dear life they're trying to do anything and say anything to stay on this show that because they're there days are numbered something to that effect

it got back to joe gorgah and fans caught them in the hallway of the hotel that they're all staying at and he called he he called Jen like desperate a desperate loser wannabe Joe Gorgah did and Jennifer took a drink a full drink at her hand and threw it at him and it was caught on video and there was one guy in between, I don't know if he was part of the security of the hotel or someone's assistant, he got a little bit wet but the drink was definitely being thrown at Joe Gorka. So I mean, that season is gonna be crazy good. Um, and then Katie from Real House, sorry, from Katie Maloney,

I got to enjoy, I went out to dinner with Katie and Lala twice, along with Sophia F from her podcast, from the Sophia F podcast. We had a lot of fun, but Katie revealed on her panel with Vanderpropulse that she's dating a 25 year old. Listen, I got a lot to do scoop from that weekend and that's just the tip of the iceberg and the juice to tip, if you know what I mean. And so I think Vanderpour is going to be really good and I definitely feel like there's two teams, which is crazy because it's Katie and like, you know, her friends, which is crazy because it's Katie and like you know her friends which is basically law and some of the girls and

then the other side is her ex-husband now tom shorts we know that he got together with rock hell and then the so there's a lot going on and i think it's really juicy here a couple that we saw their entire relationship their break ups or fights their marriages their marriage, and they're wedding and everything. We have a couple that we've watched for 10 years,

get divorced. Like, I think there's gonna be a lot to watch and to observe on that show. So I think that's something to look forward to. And so here's my idea, you guys. If this comes back next year, which I also have a prediction that I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped next year, and they do it like every other because

it's such an undertaking. But I also think they man a lot of money off of it. So my suggestion to you, if you do not have unlimited funds, now if you have unlimited funds, go buy the three day SBIP ticket, and that way it's like getting a year-round past a dizzy land. You don't feel like you have to be there all day, you're good, if you go four or five hours, you'll feel like you got enough. But if money is an issue and it's the same program in the future, I would say get the VIP ticket

for one day and buy the add-ons for that day. Kill it on that day. Trust me. If you're a big fan of all the bravo stuff, you're bound to at least see one or two things you're truly interested in and kill it like you would Disneyland. Wear tennis shoes, wake up early, have some snacks with you. Like also study the Javit Center. Know where all your stuff is so that you know to run 15 maybe leave a panel when there's like 15 minutes left, possibly if you have to,

or you know this because I don't know how they're going to work next year. They may not allow saving seats. So like, you're going to have to really plan it out, but also feel like you got the most out of it. Definitely do the photo booth things which I couldn't do because too many people were coming up to me sorry but like that stuff is really funny. Fun seeing the walking around to all the different booths. You want to make sure you do all that. I think all and all people had a wonderful time. Nothing is perfect. Essentially it's the first time they really did it because three years ago didn't count. It was in a completely different space and was like, you know, not even one tenth of the size. So that is my suggestion. I loved doing my show. I had a great

weekend. We had so much fun. And everything is at Heather McDolland.net. Next is of where to see this weekend in Vegas. I just spoke to my agent. There are some tickets left and that is with Chris Justin and Brandy and Julie that is going to be all the pop culture juicy scoop that we will cover some house wife stuff there too. So it's going to be so funny and juicy. We'll see you at the Venetian this weekend. Everything is at Heather Mcdonald net after that. that, I've got, I think, second show Dallas, there's still tickets available. Boston is almost sold out. Philly and DC are all almost sold out. So go get those tickets. Those are all with Chris Fingella, Texas is with Justin. And then I'm going to take a little bit of a break. So this has been a lot of fun.

And now for my very juicy interview. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I'm very excited to talk to one of the prettiest girls I think I've ever seen. So hop on over to YouTube and subscribe if you're listening. It's Lindsay Payloss. I'm gonna put up your Instagram. Is it true or not true that you are in fact a juicy scoop for yourself? Heather, I am one of your biggest fans. Like seriously, huge fan, big juicy scooper. I love Chris, Brandoala, Braini and Julie. Everyone, I'm a Tuesday Thursday. It's like crack. Thank you for your service. Thank you. I love it. I think I started following you. I don't know maybe like a year ago. I came across a

Podcast that you did your guest on and I'm like this girl's so interesting and then I'm like my god I go to your Instagram 8.7 million followers Absolutely stunning the main picture is Teenie time were you do you believe that you started the trend of? were you do you believe that you started the trend of undertake cleavage? No, I wish I did. Who is the pioneer of that movement? It's fascinating to me as someone that always, you know, were a triangle top to support the bottom of your tit. And now it's

everywhere. Girls are all wearing their bikini tops, the opposite ways. Nobody's showing top cleavage. Side cleavage had a moment. No one gives a shit about the sides. It's all about the bottom. And why do you think that guys are asking for bottom tit fun? What is going on? I feel like guys just want any kind of tit fun, so you just provide whatever kind you've got. So if you've got overflow, we work with that. If you've got the side tit, we'll give them that. Everyone's got a little under-tit, right? It's just like a universal. Yeah, but it's just like such a fashionable thing.

Like, have a crop top that's really crop. I can't wear those either. So I don't know. What do you mean you can't? Yeah, you can. Like, mind will like flop around. You know what I mean? You're like, your boobs in person don't look as uncontained

as they are on your Instagram. Yeah. But your boobs are real. Yeah. Which is fun. Yeah, it's been interesting. It certainly shaped a lot of my life experiences, you know. And I grew up in Louisiana.

So having huge boobs with a bit of an outgoing personality got me in some trouble and people didn't like that. And it made me kind of a different, you know. I just realized that here I am a mother, female, empowerment woman, and you come on my show and all I do is start to show talking about your tits, like a gross, like shock, shock, like Mississippi or what, like I don't know,

I somewhere where guys do do morning radio when I go to stand up And it would be like the worst and I remember one time this PR person at the comedy clubs is like do you want to go to this guys radio show because like detachal Isharo and Whitney Cummings won't do it because he's such a pig And I'm like well, I still have a hundred tickets to sell so I'll be with the pig I don't fucking so I'm just I'm like okay, let's so anyway I was into you because not only are you just really pretty, but I'm just kind

of interested in your story and you're really successful as Instagram model, normal, regular legit model, but then doing your own thing on OnlyFans, which I'm really fascinated by, and I think it's great and how different people use this, that they can be their own boss, and you know, not to be dependent on anybody. So I want to get into that. But so let's just start a little bit of like how you got your start. So you were this girl in Louisiana. Yeah, girl in Louisiana, huge boobs. They were crazy. They were crazy. They were crazy when I was younger too, because I had all that subcutaneous matter. Now, were you that girl that, that you know got her period young or where you

should do your overdeveloped two young because I always think that's difficult for pretty girls. We're all the sudden you're playing with Barbies and the next there's grown men can't help but notice you you know and it's like well you know you're so dumb when you're young so like I didn I didn't realize when I had to be a cashier to grocery store. That was my first job I was forced to have. And like, grown men would bring me gifts. And I didn't think that was odd.

And now, I'm like, oh, that was so fucking crazy. So you're like, so crazy. Yeah, 16. I had teachers that made comments about boobs. And what did teachers say? I'll never forget. I had one teacher who was speaking with a woman teacher. There was a man and woman and they said,

yeah, and she must be a hundred pounds soaking wet and look at those things. And they just kind of laughed about it. Like it was just weird. Right in front of you. Yeah, it wasn't so, it didn't feel that terrible. Did you ever have a teacher hit on you for real? I don't know, maybe. I don't know.

Maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. I gave that inviting personality. I think I could probably. It's probably not the inviting person actually. It's usually the girl that's really shy or quiet, maybe doesn't have a ton of friends, not a lot of confidence. I didn't mean to laugh, but yeah, I got me out. I think you're too confident.

Like, you know what I mean? The groomers of the predators go after the kids that, you know, just the parents aren't super involved in the school that, you know, like the target, the one that they think that they can get to. And so it's not necessarily the prettiest, you know, outgoing girl that is the one that's getting lured upon because they know that also they probably know that they wouldn't have a chance with someone that's, you know, whatever, already out there. Like, so did you, what was your high school experience? Were you the prom queen? Were you, what was the... I grew up in a farm town. I grew up in a dairy farm town in

Louisiana. And so we didn't, we weren't so clicky. Like we loved kind of the nerdy or people and the athletic people. We could all mesh well together because it was such a small town. And I was voted most ambitious. I was president of the Spanish club, Clash Treasurer. Do you speak Spanish? Un Poco, I tested out in college. I actually knew enough to test out a four years of Spanish in college. Oh good. I couldn't speak it fluently, but I can read almost any Spanish. Okay. Good. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't know what I'm going to use that for, but we'll use it four year in LA. Yeah. You can use it all the time. That's great. But everyone speaks. Yeah, so I did good in high school. I was popular. Yeah. But where did you go to college? I went to Alessio. Oh, okay.

I graduated with a history degree. Also, and what was your college experience like? I worked the whole time. I was one of those kids whose parents, my parents are nice, but I earned a scholarship to get to college. And they're nice. Yeah, they're nice people, but they weren't out of my bills. I had to do, you know, I took care of myself. So as soon as I could start working, I worked on stop.

And I'd work at Hooters and I'd work double shifts. Oh, you got a Hooters job. You wear those Nylons. Oh my God, I wore it all. The experience was wild. I still have dreams about it. There's a lot of trauma. What do you mean you have dreams

that you didn't put in the right way order? Exactly. I had those kind of dreams too when I was away dressed. Where'd you work? I worked at a place called Carol O'Connor's Place. He was an actor from a show called All in the Family. And I didn't realize at the time, and he probably just had this restaurant as like a tax right off.

But it was like a nice restaurant in Beverly Hills. And I like one of my scariest moments was putting in the order for everybody when I took it. And it was like these rich Beverly Hills people, like executives or whatever, worked around there. And they said, oh, and we'd like a lamb chop to go. And I was like, OK, and I never put in that lamb chop and it chop and I put down that check.

And they're like, oh, and the lamb chop, and it was like a trickle of pee, sweat. And the managers like, what's wrong Heather? And I'm just like, I just, I might as well just run down, Robert's in full of heart, and just fucking call it a day, because my life's over.

Like I just, it was so scary. Because I was like, I knew how long the lamb chops took and I was like, the fact that like, what is gonna happen and they are, who is the lamb chops for and is going back to the boss and just like, but I mean, trauma. So what are your dreams about with the chicken wing?

Just like, I'll forget in order. I think to throw, we did those throwing, you know, we'd like zip it on the line and throw it to the kitchen. So I forget it or something, but who does was a lot of trauma too, because you just zip it on the line and throw it to the kitchen. So I'd forget it or something, but Hooters was a lot of trauma too, because you just got straight up berated and abused kind of all day.

And they worked us pretty hard. We had a lot of chores. So I was very busy in there. And did you get a lot of great tips because you were such an attractive Hooters girl? I got great tips. I will say, though, as someone who was a veteran Hooters girl, and I worked at a...

A veteran. I worked at a 20-piece. For Hooters, four years, calendar girl. Like, I, you know, I was on it. Did you start at like a hierarchy? You started like number 60 on the schedule. I probably ended it like four. And what did that like Friday Saturday night?

Happy hour, like that's probably the best. Any shift you wanted, the bar shifts, you know, stuff like that. And when you say you were a hooters girl calendar, now do you get paid for that? Was that your first modeling gig? That was my first modeling gig. Okay. I don't remember being paid for that,

but we probably got promo paid time when we went to sign them around the state. So I went to do calendar tour signings around the state of Louisiana. And at this point is like playboy reaching out to you or anything? No, but I was like dying to do playboy because I'd watch it on TV forever.

Or you're watching the Girl's Deck store. Yeah, love that stuff. Did you hear my interview with them? I did, I love them. I love that I got all the freaking juice. So much, I was like tender the other day, Casa Vega. Did you say hi?

I said hi to Jessica, who's her girlfriend. Yeah, we met, but yeah. Yeah, but I mean, Kendra was a little more reserved because when I had her on, she was all about the real estate, but she was still honest. That was like, okay, we all know that we all had her on she was all about the real estate, but she was still honest. That was like, okay, we all know that we all had to take turns and hop on the old dick, you know? And so then when the two other girls came in, I was just like, all right.

And then now they're just, they're ready to spill it, you know, because they're like doing their thing. So, okay, so you're doing the wings to graduate. That what happens? Well, I had a bucket list. I wanted to do anybody really bad. Was anybody trying to grab you when you're dropping off the wings and get thrown out? Was there any dramatic, hooters moment? There was, when I barked in it at Twin Peaks, it's like a hooters on steroids. It's just, you know, even not your outfits, but not it's still family friendly enough. Oh, but it's like a different outfit.

Yes, so sexy. What the outfit? What the outfit? A episode on restaurants like of Texas. What's the outfit? It's like a friendly enough. Oh, but it's like a different outfit. Yes, so sexy. What the outfit? She got a whole episode on restaurants like of Texas. What's the outfit? It's like a lumberjack crop top. Oh, I've seen that. Oh, okay. We made bank.

It was such a fun job. The food was amazing. But one guy called me a sludge straight up and my boss heard it. And he picked him up by the shoulders and yanked him out. And I was finally vindicated. But for every guy that got thrown out, I mean, there was 500 who said the rudest, most obnoxious shit. So I learned to deal with men like, honestly, pretty well.

And did you have a serious boyfriend during that time or anything? Sometimes. Yeah. One guy, yeah, I lived with for two years. And I would just go work at the bar and put the cash in a drawer in my bathroom. I was addicted to it. Addicted to making them cash? Good for you.

It was very fun. Once I could make money, I really didn't stop. And that boyfriend was never jealous of the fact that you'd leave in a skimpy outfit. No. Okay. So then, okay, so then when did you come to all, like, what happened from, from Twin Peaks to the boyfriend to, I feel like this is like the panel on the inner story. The inner story.

Oh, man. It gets weird. Well, I had a bucket list dream. I wanted to cheer for the Saints. It was something that I had. And I hadn't danced in a million years. My parents were divorced. I quit dancing. So while I was bartending, I hired a trainer,

and I would train on the weekends. And then I started cheering for a minor league hockey team. Because in my head, I was going to get ready to cheer for the bigger team. So this is how I was going to get my practice and learn how to dance again. I am weird. If I have a goal, I'm gonna do it.

Okay. So I did it. I joined this team and then... Don't you make like $10 a game? Exactly. I probably lost money for sure. Definitely lost time. So I always wanted to be a cheerleave, like watching the game. I would play a lot of football and he was a football player. So when I was younger, of course, like Dallas, like love white cowboy boots. And I was just like, and my mom goes,

you know those girls will only make $15 a game. She knew that. Yeah. And I was like, also, my mom goes, you know those girls only make $15 a game? She knew that. Yeah. And I was like, also, I've never would have made it. But I just remember thinking that. I'm like, my god, they're on national TV. They're the reason a lot of people watch. I'm like, they only make $15 a game.

No, it's horrible. That's awful. It's terrible. Yeah. It makes it still like maddening how they treat it. But I think like, could the goal be also that you get to dance and have fun and it's your thing and if you've always been a dancer, whatever. But I always thought and for SC cheerleading to you, SC cheerleading, it's more about not even that you meet the players because you're not gonna have time with the players. But like you meet the rich like people that own the boxes or you know what I mean? Like you get maybe get to associate with some like

eligible rich bachelor's. You never thought of that. I was an idiot kid. That's what I'm bomb bombs. I literally just wanted bomb bombs and a cute outfit. That's what I think about it nine. I'm done. I was like look, I didn't play this game right.

If I could make it. I'm really at the owner. Yeah, no that's genius. Okay, I wasn't there. I was an idiot. I was like bomb bombs and I'm good. Yeah, okay. But I che. I wasn't there. I was an idiot. I'm good. Yeah. Okay. But I cheered for maybe six weeks once the team started and I was like, I hate how this feels. This is not fun. I felt like cattle. Yeah. Because that's how I share and not slip around on the ice.

They have a carpet. They have a carpet to dance. But then we cheer in like the stadium and it was concrete and it was exhausting. And I just didn't feel like the star. I didn't like it. So then what? So then on the internet, I saw that Playboy was having a casting in Dallas. And now what year is this? I can't remember, but I was about 23,

so maybe seven years ago. Okay, eight years ago. And I drove to Dallas, did a casting, and we did a shoot for their internet stuff. Yeah. The bane of my existence are not very hot but but you don't like your photos now but i mean you know i grew into my self

i thought that was interesting when i had a holly and bridge it on no no they didn't talk about it but the playboy dock talked about it how there were all these extra things that you do all these test shoots and stuff mm-hmm that uh... and all the different levels of Playboy, that they only found out later that that all, they owned that, and made money off of it. And they would dangle the idea of being a playmate

or an magazine person to get your images for other things. But I might have actually been 21 at this time. I was much younger, so I was working with, not a full deck upstairs. So I shoot with them, and now you're doing full naked. Yeah, I was naked. Okay. But naked. And I ended up posting selfies around the time. That's around when Instagram started being cool. Okay. And I just wanted to, you know, attract boys, probably to flirt with. I have no idea. But I'd post a selfie and I'd get like 5,000 followers. And it would go on and on. And

but I'd post a selfie and I'd get like 5,000 followers and it would go on and on. And by the time I decided, I was shooting it, by the time I decided to move to LA, I had 250,000 people following me while I was a bartender in Louisiana, like doing nothing. So I moved here with $3,000 that I had left after the moving truck and deposit. And you were single.

Single. Okay. And how'd you break up with a boyfriend with the apartment? You're like, let me just clean out this one drawer and goodbye. Oh, you're kept your money. This one, I had actually been, I left my own apartment by that time, but the boyfriend before who was lovely, it was a Tuesday night and we were sitting at like a BJ's brewery type spot. I like BJ's. Yeah, I mean, it's a vibe. Yeah. But I was like, I literally looked at him and I said,

are you satisfied with this life? And he was like, what do you mean? And I was like, does this fulfill you? Like, you need anything more than this? Because I was having this like internal panic that I did. That you might just end up at BJ's for the next 7,000 Friday night. Yeah.

And I was going to live and die in Louisiana. And that was my story. Because after college, everything's set in your mind. But then once you're done, you're like, wait, what's my story? And I think I think they like the last semester or even the whole senior year, even for me. And I was already in LA, but just like that, that this, that this kind of routine of like knowing that you're going towards a goal, but then you're done with the goal. And you don't really know what's next.

Yeah. I think it can be a really, really stressful time, and it's a lot of internal stress that people have. They're senior year. Yeah, so I was having these internal gut feeling kind of thoughts that I can't live and die here. I would actually be afraid. I kept thinking I was going to die, honestly.

I kept thinking I was going to choke on my food, or I'd get in a car accident, like I had this... A chicken wing. Yeah, food. Did you eat a lot of my food or I'd get in a car accident. Like I had this- Like a chicken wing? Yeah, I have food. Did you eat a lot of chicken wings? So much. You ate the food. I ate the food.

I love the food. Hooters food really was so bomb. And when you eat them- I go and they're like twice and I have to say the chicken is fucking good. It's so good. Yeah, yeah. It's so good.

They did that right. Yeah, that's really good. But yeah, I thought I was- I can't live without you. Can Hooters still be like as like, risk gay and gorgeous girls in this like post woke era of life? Can they still like, choose girls that look like you?

I don't know. I feel like even when I worked there, the girls who were cast to work there were pretty different. I think that people would think the Hooter's girl would be like, you know, skinny person, big boobs, blonde hair. It was very different than that. It was a lot of different types of women. And the one I worked at had women of all ages. Oh, okay.

Different sizes, different backgrounds. So it wasn't really what people thought. But everyone really did you ever see fortune fumesters a Hooters Girl? The Cooter Shooter? Yeah. Absolutely. We loved it. I'm pretty sure I watched it there.

I'm pretty, no, I'm sure we watched that She had that was such a funny amazing bit and like since then I feel like a lot of people have kind of like copied it But she was the original just putting her body in that outfit and just fucking killing it so funny We loved it. No, we definitely saw that while working at hooters. Yeah, they might have dropped at the same time It was good, but yeah, I thought I was gonna live and I couldn't live and die there No, we definitely saw that while working at Hooters. They might have dropped it at the same time. It was good. But yeah, I thought I was going to live in, I couldn't live and die there. I asked the boyfriend a dinner like, you know, was this what you want?

He said, yeah, I love it here. This is great. You had baseball on the TV. Yeah. And I was like, I'm out. And how did you say I'm out? I said, I don't think, no, you know what? It was probably chaos. I'm sure I caused some serious chaotic break up I have no idea knowing myself at that age. I'm sure I did no I mean, I think it would be heartbreaking if he

Kind of thought like yeah, this is it now this beautiful blonde girlfriend. We're happy You know what and then you're like I will say though, but you never asked you Maryam. Yeah, you were not Yeah, and his name was Aaron and Aaron did fuck my coworker after that He got me back, you know, don't feel bad now. Oh, they did it right in front of my face. They were like, you know, it's hard right in front of your face. That you broke up with.

We broke up with this coworker that I worked with who was terrible. She was terrible. She was terrible. We were a tracer or a terrible person. A human, like all around. Okay. And not a good hooter, so wait, Tracer.

Hell no, she was annoying. Wouldn't show up, smoked weed before the show. Forgot like the red dressing. She's still a shit head And she knows where she is, but they ended up banging so we don't feel bad for Aaron We left him in the dust and we moved to the back. But they were being you were Broken up when they started bang, but it felt real. Yeah, really in your backyard. Yeah, yeah Rural rock hell and Tom kind of vibe to know. Oh from Vanderpump. Yeah, the Rock Helen Tom thing in Vanderpump

Rules for those of you guys. That's, the Brewerpump rule is going to be for conjuicy. Imagine that you were working the shift. So I had that dynamic, but working a shift together. What I've heard is that's what's going to, it's really going to cause this breakup in the friendships. So it's fascinating. Yeah, because how, you know, the girls like Lala that's really close to Katie. It's like, and then there's, I believe,

Sheena is friendly with Raquel. But then Lala and Sheena actually get along now and are like, mommy's together. It's gonna be juicy. I love it. I'm gonna be good. I'm in them. Okay. So yeah. Okay. So then you're like, whatever who cares.

So you leave and you come to LA with 3000. Yeah. $3,000 last. Now, how do you find your apartment and all that? The internet, it was $1,700. The world wide web. Yeah, the world wide, I was also looking for jobs on the internet at the time. So I was like trying to find a cocktail,

wait your job or something, I knew how to do. I ended up bartending at the Avalon, which is on Vine Street by Capital Records. And that was the last job I'd ever have to clock into. Okay. Which is pretty fun. But yeah, I got the job off Craigslist. I barely, barely made it by for a while. Financially. Yeah, financially. I mean, I barely survived. Were you living by yourself or did you? Yeah, living by myself with my dog. And I ended up meeting, so the first night I go out, I go to Warwick and someone says,

oh, we're going to the Playboy Mansion tomorrow, it's like a Halloween party. Oh, the Halloween party's with the best. Did you have a good outfit to wear? Well, I didn't know anyone, I didn't have a ticket and outfit, anything. I imagine you being like in Mean Girls. I'm Tady.

Yeah, you go and you're like wearing something scary. So like, wait, it's a Playboy Mansion. You need to go to Trash trash lingerie and drop $600 in a corset. Yeah, and get some Molly and do so many other things. No, so the stranger at warwick gets my number. And the next day he goes, hey, we can get you in at the party, meet us at the Roosevelt at this time.

I didn't even have the guys namesaved. That's how I got into the playboy mansion. Shut up. A stranger? A stranger? A mine intervention. A stranger came up to me at, oh God, I can't remember the restaurant,

but I mean, I see the booth and Bill Mar, he was a friend of Bill Mars and I knew Bill Mar from like just other parties in comedy. And so then he was like, do you want to go to the Playboy Mansion? I'm like, this guy's never gonna call. And the next day, then he called. You know, as a mongolese.

And then I did the same thing because it was before I would get on the bus, I didn't have to get on the bus. The first time I went was meeting somebody and driving up to the house. That's sad. And then I had to do the bus with the commoners who were not commoners. But I love that bus. That was the bus that I saw drugs. That's what I saw in the drug.

It really was the first time I saw people just doing drugs. You saw people doing drugs on the bus? Oh my God, yeah, they were the coke in the mall. Like, people were taking their drugs before they got to the party. So everything fun would hit them when they made it up the hill. They probably were.

I was always so clueless about something like that. Okay, so you get back to you. They're like, how the, we heard your fucking boring story, okay? Go on. No, I learned that. I heard your good story from just a few years ago. Okay, so go on.

Well, pretty much. So I go, I have underwear that I have at the house. So I go buy a devil horns and a pitch fork. And that's my costume. So I go on underwear and I got like a lacy red bra and underwear. I had a black bra on black panties and I just grabbed the accessories

because that's all I could afford and the one there you can think of. And it rocked. And so we, we would think so. We hit the bus up the hill. So we get to the playboy mansion and I go to the bar for a drink and immediately a security guard comes up to me and he says, Hey, do you want to meet Dambal Zarian? And I said, Okay, you know, I knew who that guy was from the internet.

I was, you did already. Okay. Yeah. And I only discovered him like four years ago. Oh my god, Dan. He's, I I missed the window. It was it was amazing, but this is Dan's Instagram. He's at 33.6 and this is why I always talk about his Instagram's amazing is this videos of all these stunning girls. It looks like he's the only guy there and they go on all these amazing trips. And he has several businesses. He has like cannabis, right? Yeah, this company ignites, so he has meat stuff. And I think it's a key love thing now.

Yeah, he has a lot going on. Okay, so they go, do you want to meet him? You're like, all right. I'm like, all right. And so he comes up to me. I'm immediately actually TMZ doesn't interview with him. And he grabs me. So I'm like, I'm sitting there like this before we even said hi

and like being filmed for this thing. And then after he looks at me and he goes, I like the way you jiggle. And I said, this is what the real thing looks like. And then that was it. And so we partied and he kept trying to hook up with me at the mansion to which I declined. But then we went back to his house, which was crazy.

So this is my first night out. I'm 23 years old. We go to the playboy mansion. I'm in a Rolls Royce. I go to a house on Blue J way, which is just amazing. I am losing my mind. I am like, this is the top. This is the best time I like to slide right now. This is why I left BJ. Oh my god. This is why I look BJ. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, Erin. Hope it was worth it. But yeah, no. And so, yeah. But Dan and I, we hung out. And he's like, look, I don't do like, I can't do monogamy.

You know, the girlfriend thing's really tough, but I really like you. And I want to hang out. And I was like, yeah, OK. And a few months would go by and we'd hang out every now and then. And we would say, no, I'd be busy and do other things. But when you did hang out, you'd hook up. You'd have sex.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And so we hung out for a few months. We went on adventures. I met friends and it was my own. And when you'd go on adventures where there are 20 other girls on the private jet with you, sometimes there were just a few girls,

but then we'd go to events and there'd be like 20 there. So sometimes there were a shit ton of girls. Sometimes it was on my own. And we were with him, were there's other girls joining in on the sex or hitting on him, or were they just happy to get a free trip and glad that you were the girlfriend and they were like fine with it.

Oh no, everyone wanted to get a piece of Dan. For sure. Yes, and even friends, like they come to a party with me, like they'd later, I'd find out they hooked up with him. Oh really? The good news is though,

I was really a girlfriend. She was really a girlfriend. I'd be like, oh my God, thank God, oh my God, this could be the greatest party. I've heard about it. And then you'd find out later or would you walk in on them or what? No, I'd find out kind of later.

Okay. But I was really, because Dan is a little bit more forthcoming about his behavior than other men. Right. It doesn't come off as shocking or crazy or disrespectful or something like that. You know what I mean? Women don't like being lied to. But if you say this is how your lifestyle is, it's up to someone to accept that or not. It's a different story. And also I'm 23 years old. I know

what I'm getting out of the situation. I'm having a fun. And you're getting a fresh dick at other places. No, I wasn't at the time. I'm only, you know, hooking up with one man at a time. I'm pretty crazy in that regard. And we didn't have, we only, we hooked up with one other person one time. And one threesome. Yeah. And that was so, and that was that your first threesome or just your first threesome person only with him. And how does that, how does a girl get decide, all right, I'm open-minded, I'm gonna try this reason thing and tell myself I'm fine with it. How do you, what goes through your mind? This one we were at a party, he was having a huge party.

And there was another girl at his house. At his house, okay. Huge, he had the funnest parties, and so we're at his house, and there's another girl. You still get invited. If you were to have a party for sure. Can you please take me? Dude, he would love, he would be down.

Okay. You should go. Okay, because I'm all for it. I'm not a hater. Okay, maybe they'll be one in October. That'd be fun. Okay, cool. But yeah, there was another girl there. And-

When plus one is my son, don't scare me. That would be the coolest one. Oh my god. Okay, go on. But there's another girl there that he had been hooking up with every now and then and we just thought it'd be more fun if we joined forces and stole his attention away from everyone else at party. You know, at least when you do your first three, Sam, because I've never had one, I'm sure that's a shock. And like, who goes down on home, do you both bone him? What is the routine?

I know you had to get a trainer to teach you how to dance, so I don't even know if you'd be good at this. No, exactly. No, I wasn't very good at it. I don't think I, you know, I do think maybe the other partners might have been more experienced, so I'm not necessarily sure how many favors I was returning or how active I was in this scenario.

Yeah. Kind of unclear, and the memory is a little foggy to me honestly. Okay. All right. All right, so then that ends, but it didn't really, it didn't really, it didn't, it didn't like freak you out or bother you. It didn't. Okay.

And the reason why I didn't like, I don't need to do it again. Yeah. I mean, our relationship just kind of fizzled anyway. Okay. And the reason why I didn't like, I don't need to do it again. Yeah. I mean, our relationship just kind of fizzled anyway. Okay. Like, he, you know, he, he's running around with all these girls and I start, you know, doing other things in my life. Yeah.

And so, um, oh, but the best part about the Dan relationship or one of the greatest parts was when we met, he goes, I want to make you internet famous. And I was like, I didn't, you know, that wasn't really as much of a thing. Right. Because this is now like what, like five years, five, six years ago, right? Maybe seven or eight. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so it wasn't as much of a thing. And he set me up on my first photo shoot that went viral where I ran in slow mo and like a tank top. Okay. And he would

post me on his social media every now and then. And it just generated this huge thing. And I had a million followers in six weeks. Wow. So, you know, me and Ann are cool. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And so, once you had that million followers, now are you living off of, I have sponsorships and stuff come to you? What's going on for making money off of that?

No. First of all, I had a 23 year old brain, so it was not equipped to maybe handle a lot of internet fame. But we didn't have a blueprint of what people did. Like now, everybody knows what to do, how to get sponsorships and brands and all that you write. Yeah. And so when I was barting at the bar, I remember one day I got paid $300 to post a protein

shake, and I thought, I just made $300 in 20 minutes, and it would take me about seven hours to go do that somewhere, so I'm going to quit my job and figure this out. Okay. And that was when I quit my job. And then I was just on this little scary hamster wheel of, please God, someone paid me to post something for two years. Yeah.

And they did. And I survived. And then by the third year, I ended up getting more lucrative deals that were longer-term partnerships. And were you doing like modeling, like legit modeling stuff, like bikini modeling or anything? Oh my god. Like music videos.

So now you had to, yeah, you had like an agent. Did you have a legit agent? No, I did just have an agent ever. They would just DM you and you do your own deal. Word of mouth networking, my hair stylist here, we actually met at a photo shoot. My very first one, ironically. But yeah, word of mouth, just like straight up hustling.

And classical. Did anything unfortunate happen with meaning kind of paving your own way with like harassment or anything doing these? Oh my god, all the time. But you know, I'd say some of the my worst or stories were in Louisiana actually. Workplace abuse and abuse of young women trying to get a job is just rampant. And I remember, I got offered a job to record radio commercials for someone while I was in college. And the guy, I mean the word is assault, but he grabbed my breast and started playing with them while I was there. And I was just, you know, a child who was frozen.

I think child abuse is like- While you were doing the voiceovers? Yeah, or like, in between, I was just kind of like confused and That is so funny because did you ever hear the recording of my first Podcasting job here on podcast one no of the owner of it. I was doing an ad for third love and He always creeped me out. And I always just, but again, I'm of a certain era where they say something sexual and you're like, Oh, you poor old man. You think you

were in the same league and we're not. And, uh, uh, you know, like, almost like I'm sorry for like the old man that like makes the gross things. Instead of being like, Hey, sick fuck. Yeah. Don't talk to me. Like, I was in like, the reason like girls like you had to suffer as cuz women like me didn't fucking speak up when it happened we just were like being polite actually shocked you know jenna davis just as she came out with a book called something like being polite we're shocked by all these times where she wishes she would have been like stop it like on the movie sets and stuff so anyway i am so that it but i was doing this ad and he was he

was got recorded because I was doing the ad and he was like oh and I go and the third love has memory foam you know for your breasts or whatever and he goes hold on hold on can I touch your breasts and I'm like huh and he didn't grab me but he said it and I'm like trying to record this fucking ad which I'm like not huh? And he didn't grab me, but he said it. And I'm like, trying to record this fucking ad, which I'm like, not great at recording ads anyway. Like, takes me a few times, like, get to it. This guy. Yeah, then he's like, oh, all these hands

are memory foam, and I'm like, okay, let me just finish this. And then, and then I, you know, and then I laughed, and he was such a dick about me leaving contract wise, made it really difficult for me to do me a podcast elsewhere. And then when all the sexual harassment stuff started to come out, I go, oh, I guess I have my own story. But, you know, he didn't touch me. It was no big deal.

And then my friend goes, why don't you just play it and see what people think. So I go, okay, I'll just, so I played it. And what was most amazing is that my listeners that were really dedicated listeners at the time were all like, oh my god, Heather, your whole voice and demeanor changed when you walked into the room. And it's something that I never realized that took like someone else to be like, how someone when you're intimidated by an authority figure, especially if it's male, older, more powerful, you know, your dad on their hands. Yeah, like how it's so much more

when people are like, oh shut up. If you weren't happy getting at the job, people don't understand like how much, goes, how much psyche goes into being the subordinate who's being harassed. Oh my God. Yeah. Even the little bars I'd worked at,

one time I got threatened that if I was an extra nice to some man who worked there, or who frequented the place that I would, my job would be at risk. And I didn't, I wasn't like nice to some man who worked there or who frequented the place that my job would be at risk. And I wasn't like serving this guy. This guy just had a heart on for me because he was a rich guy in town and all the girls would sleep with him at the place

and he didn't like it that I paid him no mind. So I was just gonna work, like I don't give a fuck. And they threatened me and I call my mom crying and my mom said, walk in there and tell them you'll sue the brakes off them. And I walked back in there and tell them you'll see the breaks off them. And I walked back in there and said that and they shut the fuck up. Oh, good.

But my mom gave me helpful advice there. But yeah, so a lot of my crazy harassment stories, there's so many when you're younger and then as you get a little bit older, not only do I learn to avoid these people or spot them quicker, but I think men know that they can harass people who don't have fully formed brained. Not all men, but the men who are abusive.

They say they know. They're grooming Israel and they know who to target. And if they think that you could be a possible target and you call them on their shed or show something quickly, then they move on. It's like, I always say Harvey Weinstein didn't have a 100% track record. There were obviously other people that said,

or 100% of people say no, you know what I mean? But there were nothing along the way that complied, that we have yet to hear from, that kept him to keep doing it. Like when his audio was played and he was like, come on and the girls pleading, leave me alone. And he's like, come on, everybody does this. Just give me a minute. It'll only take a minute. Like it's so, but there's all the other people that it worked for why he kept doing it. And then the ones that didn't then of course

he sabotaged their careers. But like yeah, it's very interesting and I think it's so great that in the last few years, it's now becoming like, oh my god, or even like years later, when you're like, oh my god, this I was groomed and this didn't happen to me and I like didn't even realize it. Oh my god. And he was 38 and I was 9 to 8. And like even because you're legal. Yeah. Like a 38 year old dating a 19 year old is so fucking weird. Yeah.

And then that they always keep with those ages. Like like us. Yes. I have always want someone who's like under 26 because they're all like they have that enormous power. Yeah, like it's not like, oh, I just want to be 20 years younger than my wife. No, when he's 80, he doesn't want a 60 year old. Right.

He still wants a 25 year old. Like, yeah, it's very interesting. And it's interesting for me too, because I'm 31 now. So I'm at that age where like people have, you know, and I've read more DMs from men probably than most people will ever see in their lifetime. I've seen more male behavior than most men in women in their lifetime. Yeah. Because I'm not some super duper star where like I'm not touching this stuff.

Yeah. So I've seen it all and it's kind of wild. And it's wild when you turn 30 and you're like, oh wait, do I really have no value? Or are they trying to con all of us into not realizing their hair falls out and their dicks don't work? You know what I mean? Like it's a great con. Like oh my god you're too old when you're 30. Well like your stuff isn't working sometimes. Like yeah.

And also fertility issues while we're here. They're 50% men and women. And we always put the burden on like all the like little girls because they're more fertile. Well so we're fucking you when you were younger. And like so we're supposed to like you now that all your stuff like now. It's just a con. The rules, so we're supposed to like you now, that all your stuff, like now. It's just a con, the rules, I've uncovered the rules. Yes. No, totally. Like, what did you think of the Adam Levine scandal?

I thought, I mean, he's texting someone who doesn't have the brain that is fully formed into what it's scientifically would be considered adulthood. Right, which is 25 for women and 30 for men. We think like our moral compass should be like America saying you're 18, you can pay taxes and join the military. Therefore, let's abide by these. That's not something with a moral compass. A moral compass would see an adult around 25. Yeah. You know, especially when they're already an adult himself. But yeah, I thought, what the fuck? So embarrassing, dude. Like, what the, and then

to ask about the baby name, what an embarrassing doofus. I know. It's then to ask about the baby name what an embarrassing Doofus I know it's so gross and the baby name thing is so gross because I talked about it before it reminded me You know it's if you're on him you have other people that have done that and when I brought that up people said yes That's half-end wild. I didn't know that or I've been the mistress where then you he reaches, or I was seeing someone who was married, who said he was gonna leave this wife, goes back to his wife, and then contacts them years later, and it's like, I just, high, high Kelsey, I just want you to know, just wanna see how you are.

This is my baby, this is Anna Kelsey. But something like Instagram. Like what? Like how horrible for the wife, and what a weird thing to do to just maybe like be able to reach out later. Oh wait, did you see the yoga instructor though? Because this goes exactly what we're talking about. The yoga instructor that pretty much taking her rest.

Yeah, she has. Yeah, she has. Yeah, she has. Yeah, she has. Yeah, I find tell the story? Yeah, I find the yoga story the worst, but it's alleged that he's got a yoga instructor. They were working together.

They're supposed to go on tour together. And she says that he asked for something along the lines of a naked day to spend together. They want to have a naked day or something about being naked. And she ends up getting in a big fight with her partner about it. And because the partner saw him texture that. Right. And then she ends up not in a big fight with her partner about it. And- Because the partner saw him texture that.

Right. And then she ends up not going on the tour, the job is from the future. Like to steal an adult's job. And also what was interesting about that is that obviously, it led to a really bad fight with her boyfriend to the point where I think it got physical, which maybe thank Adam Levine for that because that's not who she'd be with. fight with her boyfriend to the point where I think it got physical, which, you know,

maybe thank Adam Levine for that because that's not who she'd be with. But at the same time, even if a fight doesn't get to a physical point, what she was saying is by DMing girls that are not asking to be at DMed or whatever, what if their husband or boyfriend sees that? And he is violent. Or even if he's not violent, and it causes this big problem, where you're like, I was not calling this,

I was not asking for this. This has happened for me personally. I had a big brand endorsement deal, and someone who kind of worked in the brand endorsement deal was inappropriate, like the way they texted me, and it was flirty in nature, and I had to tell my partner, look, I don't, I want to keep my job.

Like, I don't want to not be able to get paid. But, and you can see every message, you can even write them back. But I don't want to lose my job because this person's inappropriate. And I feel like, if I say no, then I will be. And so if you're on my team, I kind of need you to just be okay with this.

But that shit's happened, that sucks. That was kind of smart that you did that, though. Yeah, he's still yelled at me. I mean, he still brought it up in a fight that I was flirting with the boss. And I was like of smart that you did that though. He still yelled it. I mean, he still brought it up in a fight that I was flirting with the boss. And I was like, I told you the truth. Like, yeah, yeah.

This is not fair. Right. But these unwindable situations are just very exhausting. So then when did you, so you were obviously doing very well at this point. Like, did you now own real estate? Like, what were you doing with the money they were just making from posting and modeling?

Well, I saved it all. So I saved it. I used it to survive in Los Angeles, but I saved pretty much everything. So I was able to buy a house a year and a half ago. And I think compared to my peers, that's probably why it seems like I might be doing better. I'd just been saving my stuff.

I didn't splurge on the car. I don't own a Chanel bag. I knew that I should make my money work for me before, you know, I have a long life ahead of me. I can buy a nice shit forever, but yeah, buy a house first, you know, before you get to work. I got the car too. Yeah. So, and then when did you join only fans? Almost, I think two years ago. And it had, so it was already up and running at that point. Did you have any reservations before joining it? I didn't join it for a long time since it was open because of the stigma and I thought it was reserved more for just strictly adult film stars. Yeah, but then the same

group that actually works with Dambles, Irian and was we're really responsible for me becoming viral. They convinced these glamour girls to go on the site. So they convinced the UFC ring girls and they convinced some of these bigger playmate or playboy type glamour models. So once those women that I kind of looked up to join the site, then I did too, because I just followed their move and I thought if they're doing it, I would do it.

And so when you joined, was it just explosive, where you're like, I cannot believe I can make this much money in a month? Yeah. It was pretty shocking. And I joined on my birthday, so it was quite the birthday. Because the first day is kind of like the biggest on the site, because people have been asking you to go on it for, you know, a year's time.

So then when you started, it was, and like, and tell me how, when you started, was it immediately like, hey, follow for $20 a month, and I post this often. And mine is free. So I don't have a subscription fee. I just people pay for content. Because if people do the subscription page, they still pay for content on those pages.

And I just haven't done that. I've just kept it free and then people can pay for whatever. I still wouldn't be able to say. So when people say, I want to pay for whatever. I still wouldn't be able to say. So when people say, I wanna pay for cons, so that's like a private, or do you say, like, you can caption it like what this entails, right? So this is my photos of this or videos like this. You make the caption really flirty, a little bit pervy.

And, you know, oh wait, I think I went and looked at your stuff once. And I thought, oh, you do have a good hook. Not a catch. Yeah, you were like, I'm gonna go do some jumping jacks. True. Come on over. I mean, you know, if I'm gonna, it's a great view.

So you have to go that out. I'm gonna do some jumping jacks. If you wanna see me do my jumping jacks, then click on here. And then they click on there and then you charge them $20 to see the jumping jacks. And then it goes to like they have a vault with all the content they've bought so they can see it over time. Go back and enjoy the jumping jacks.

But you can also live stream. I love that. I think people really like that on the platform. OK. Live stream for an hour and people pay to join the show or like, you know, watch you talk for an hour or in my case, try on multiple outfits or be at a photo shoot. So what about like, when I was watching,

who's the girl on Real House doesn't my amy that said she made so much on it? Larsa. Okay, so when I was watching Larsa goes, oh, I make $10,000 a day. And she said basically that she gets in like a one-on-one texting conversations with people where then she'll be like, okay, well, for $10,

I'm gonna answer the question or for $20, I'm gonna send you a photo. Yeah, the DMs are like a huge part. And you can, there's also a way where you can kind of only livestream to them. I've never done that before. I kind of want to. But yeah, there's all kind of stuff.

But people get to talk to you directly, which I think is one of the biggest stuff. But do you ever have to see their face? You can. Yeah, you can set it up to where it depends. But I think the site blurs the content before. So just like Instagram kind of does now. Okay.

So you can kind of like decide if you want to click. But yeah, it's very interesting. It's very interesting. I was thinking when Larsa Pippa was explaining it, okay. I was thinking, okay, so let's say I model girl, whatever, and I'm gonna go do this. If I really wanted to go hard core with it and really make not hardcore sex, just make them hardcore most amount of money and stuff, wouldn't it be possible for me to hire someone and assist in some sort? Well, I'm like, here's my phone, here's a ton of photos. And you could have like, or even multiple people

DMing them and as you and being like, hey, sexy, wanna see my underwear and then they send the photo of underwear and you could be like in an on a massage table by yourself. Is that possible? It is possible and they have agencies that do things like that. Oh really? They also have ways to queue content. So you can take the underwear photo with the Hey, sexy or whatever and have it scheduled for like Tuesday at 6. Yeah.

When you're somewhere else. So a lot of people have all of that stuff already queued. But I just thought that's kind of interesting because these guys are thinking that you're actually like going and it might not even be you. And there's no way to prove that it's not you because it's not like a what live webcam thing. Yeah, I think everyone is different, but you know.

And then have you ever been like, I'm never gonna get this dirty and then across the line and gotten a little dirty or on it? Totally. Yeah, no, totally. I was very, like just like very strictly lingerie and bikini type stuff.

And then the outfits got a little more sheer over time. Okay. And then like, I'll shake my ass every now and then. Yeah. And that's about it. But nothing like. No, I'm not doing anything like orange, actually. You're not doing an astrophase, shinery thing. I've never even been fully naked on. Yeah. And that's about as well. But nothing like... No, I'm not doing anything like orange, actually. You're not doing masturbation or anything.

I've never even been fully naked on it. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy. And so, you're running. I think it's in the dough. How many hours a day or a week do you think you work on all this stuff? All the fucking time.

I know it's like endless, right? Endless and it's like being creative non-stop, and being in a good mood non-stop, because you kind of have to be in a good mood to want to take sexy pictures of yourself, to talk to people or host them on a live stream. Right. And I'll notice if they're a month where I'm sick

or depressed or something, like the site reflects how I feel. Right. And it's a lot of pressure, because when you have a great opportunity, you want to use it. And someone like me, who the second I could work, work double shifts and college a whole time, you have a work ethic.

I take it very seriously. And I didn't hire the agency. I run the page by myself because it's the experience that I thought I'd rather get my followers. Right. It seems a little onathetic if you didn't, but I'm like, shit ton of work. And there are times when, you know, I would wake up at 5 a.m. and do messages for three hours. But yeah, my routine is kind when you know, I would wake up at 5 a.m. and do messages for three hours

But yeah, my routine is kind of crazy. It's really interesting and what did you think about like when the Bellethorne joined and that kind of changed the dynamic? What was the story behind that what people were so mad that Bellethorne and then they like capped how much people could Pay or what was that all about I think the story was like the content wasn't what was advertised or something like that like But I don't know if that's true because I I don't know what she captioned or like what she posted But people were you know upset I think a lot of people were just in general upset that like celebrities had joined something that maybe was profitable for sex work and people in different avenues. But, you know, I think the universe is abundant.

I think there's just everyone can get theirs. But I do think it's a little crass, everyone showing how much money they make or like bragging about. I just think, well, I think sometimes those are just fake news. Like, I think some of those statements are fake too like I mean the catch me outside girl Means what was she made like 60 million in a year? She's literally like do you think that's real? I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean Like that girl over you like she has more people that want to see her. I don't know

I don't know and then Black China, they said made two, what they say. I think they said something ridiculous. You mean 200 million a month, they're 20 million a month, they're something. I think that was just misinformation. But I do think she could make 200,000 a month. You know how like a mom or a year. No, a year. They said she made 240 million a year. There's no way. She literally lived up the street from where you are right now.

Like, the house is very nice, but it's, there's no way. And even Tokyo, China or whatever, Tokyo, Tokyo, Tony, her mom even was like, no. And I go, no, but does she maybe have months where she makes a hundred or two hundred thousand a month? Yes, I think that is possible.

You know how you can like Google people's net worth and it's just some random number. It's so weird. It's like no one's far checking. All right. No, I wish it. Like all that should be taken with the green assault. Yeah. And also, I mean, one thing I've learned about living in L.A.

Like you can earn money and have no money. Like people, the way people are responsible with their money, like it's just, people would be surprised how people actually live. So you would never, you haven't paid for yourself to fly private. Hell no! I would never do that. I don't, I prefer the commercial flights because I think they're safe.

Wait, I want to go back to extra questions. No! Wait, I want to go back to these crazy trips. So did you ever go on these crazy Dan, like, what's his name? Bilzerian trips where they're like, you know, in Africa and jumping off cliffs and all the girls are rolling around in these streets together and like, what if like one girl is just like like fucking eating like a horse and now all of a sudden like has a pooch and can't like roll around,

has that ever happen or just every girl knows to just starve, be happy, take the photos, and so it is. I have no idea. I feel like every trip is different, every vibe, and I haven't gone on a vacation with Dan in seven years. But we did, we went on a fun snow trip to, we were in Breckenridge and we did snowmobiling and all that. And they did everyone have to go out in the snow with just their bikinis on and a snow hat.

Not at that time, but. I love those photos, just like a white bikini. They are cute. And now, does he ever have any friends where someone is like, I know I'm gonna not get to the main one, but maybe I'll get a second tier dick that has a bank account. He's got, well, I guess the answer to that might be yes.

Okay. There's girls all around, he's got guy friends around and I think a lot of people I guess there's also a lot of people hanging out with Dan who really enjoy the experience. Like it is a party it is fun. They're not like vying for Dan's hands. There was one photo I saw where they're all getting on a plane and they all had like Louis Vuitton bags and they're all wearing like tight They're also thin and they were like tiny little shorts and like you know a crop top and the under tit and then just like those giant tennis shoes that are in right now

I'm not you know I'm trying to melt. Yeah, I'm not into that look But anyway, they're getting on it and I was like so did every real girl get to shop for that bag? Are they're just given the bags? I have no idea. And then how do you get to be asked back and how do you get to be kicked off the list? When you're just a pretty girl, they get to go on fancy trips.

What is the key? I have no freaking clue. This is the part of how long you can go without doing anything sexual and still being asked back. I would imagine. I do have to clean the kitchen, just act like a delight. Because in a non-sexual way,

when I'm like a guest of like a rich person, it's like, did I, was I, A, entertaining enough? Like I'm the little court gesture. Or, you know, because it's not gonna be that I made like the killer dinner. So it's like, what do you do when you're just in a sea of hotness, hoping to be invited back?

That's a great question. I literally have no idea. It's hard because we, as intro, we actually met in real life. Like, the weirdest that is, there was no idea what was going on. So you knew about the trip, no. So it's so honest, my experience with dance.

I have no fucking clue what these people are like and like what they do I just know how it was when we hung out Yeah, I have no idea. It's I live my my perception is of like the world in Hollywood and LA. It's a lot different than I think anyone would imagine How is it different to think than what people think? I don't have the secret rich husband. I don't have a husband. I don't have a stage parents. I didn't come from money.

I think just those things combined have kind of made my experience unique. I only went to college because I worked my ass off and get a scholarship. I only made it here because I worked my ass off and, you know, Barton, and so I know what it's like to have no money. I know what it's like to have money. I've been around the dance and I've been around, people so like my view of the world is a lot different

Yeah, then most people and especially being considered kind of conventionally attractive or really pretty I also have that experience because I know I wake up looking like a potato, too Like there's just I don't think you do but oh my god. No, I got those days I have a very masculine, normal side to me that's fun in the hair kind of, it's true. I really have a boy side to me. I can't explain it, but. So yeah, do the only thing that ever people do

if they have to see that, like I wanna see right, when you wake up, no makeup, and you do that type of stuff. I post no makeup very often. I actually more than I post with makeup. Well, you don't have a lot on right now. We were just talking about before the show started about makeup artists and like, but now you do your own makeup. Yeah, I feel more post with makeup. Well, you don't have a lot on them right now. We were just talking about before this just started about makeup artists

and like the, now you do your own makeup. Yeah, I feel more comfortable with less. And I think we all went through that phase with like the heavy lashing that comes where I use. I kind of, I kind of, I have some heavy lashing contouring. I don't know. It's hard to get out of the phase of it. I never did the baked under the eye.

So I know. So things I'd be like, oh my God, like you took found the one step of foundation and made it 12. Like, do you really need 12 steps of like shadowing and shading and? We did all that. And then like the two hours of applicating and.

Yeah, that's just like, applying it. So that's. Deplicating is not a word, but. Yeah. And that's interesting. So when I see these young girls though, I'm like, I don't know what advice to give them.

Like your advice would be good. Like have your, like I guess my advice to be, if you're one of these pretty girls that are a juicy scupper who's listening to this show and you have been on the trips and stuff. I just think like, yeah, just be a delight on the trip. Get what you can out of it, followers, friendships. Don't screw over the girl that invited you.

Yeah. Don't be a friend, poacher. And try to work your own thing because it's not gonna last forever. Yeah, I think everyone should have their why with something like, sometimes you don't date the guy that you think you're gonna marry.

But like if you're having a ton of fun and you're 23 or something, who cares? But also, I will tell you a secret. Yes. Guys, like, guys will love the fact that you dated Dan. Right. They will love the fact that you hung out with him. Whether they say it or not,

they're gonna use it against you in relationships, whatever, deep down, they love that you hung out with Dan. It is a big clout for whoever you wanna date next. So just get a photo with him and post it on your ship. Okay, you don't think that's hung out with Dan. It is a big cloud for whoever you want to date next So just get a photo with him and post it on your ship. Okay, you know what I'm so interesting about that is like I was one's hanging out with Jill Zarein and her boyfriend Gary and You know, I never even knew like one I never understood what a one percent or was until like Jill Zarein had me Staterhouse in the Hamptons like, because I grew up here, you know, with parent, like I just thought it was great that my parents could send me to a private Catholic school.

Like I thought we were rolling in it. Like I didn't even, I never understood what, what generational wealth was. I didn't know what a trust fund was. I thought like we have a fucking pool and air conditioning. Are you kidding me? And then I got to USC and they're like, yeah, but where are your other homes? I'm like, what? And like I was just like, what do you mean? You know, my grandfather was a fireman. Like, I, like, no, I just thought you, and then I thought,

when you graduate from college, then you, that's it. Like, you, there is no money for a down payment. Like, you're going to make that money. Like, that's, yeah. So I think it's like so interesting. And now, like, I saw this thing when they're like, wow, there's a certain number, there's a certain percentage of the population coming up of people that won't have to work. Like because we've been in America for, you know, 250 years, there is this generation of wealth and they don't even, and it's like so weird, you know?

And it's like, and I think when you don't know it, and so, but anyway and it's like and i think we don't know it and um... and so but anyway getting back to what gary said so he was like oh you know we're talking about this person then is the second wife of this person in the third wife of this person and i'm like and he goes you know a billionaire wants to marry another billionaires ex-wife

or then the print then the the model model than the 22-year-old. They want to have what, and I was like, I don't think enough people realize that, but it all makes perfect sense. It's very true. When you look at the elite, once they, you know, it's like the Yerlanda Hadid went from Muhammad to David Foster, and David Foster foster she said david foster was visiting with mohammed when they were divorced and he said who's that and moham it said that's my ex-wife and he goes i want to meet her now you'll on his beautiful but i'm saying like

especially especially when they're looking for like a second or third wife it's not you know it's once in a while you can be the girl that you know took their order at hooters and married the billionaire, but or the millionaire. But a lot of it is that. And it kind of gives me Pete Davis' advice too. Yes.

Because he dated like the most beautiful person. So she co-signed, you know? She's madly and lovely. She's got to be sounded about this guy because we admire her so much. Your cred goes up because of, yeah. And I always say the same thing with powerful women whose husbands or boyfriend's now cheat, whether it be Lamar or Tristan,

sorry that she had both Chloe. But so much of it was, I think girls, I mean every girl knows that Tristan and Lamar were with a Kardashian was with Chloe. They can't go Yeah, but they don't care because it's like what like they're probably way more obsessed with Chloe and the Kardashians Yeah, then they ever were with Lamar and Tristan. Oh, yeah, they did and it's one It's one degree closer to the case, you know, it's not Completely agree because there's a million other basketball dicks that that girl probably has the body

to get. Yeah. Why is she with that person? No, of course. I call it like a shiny penny. Yeah. You can like, data guy and like shine him like a, you know, a shiny penny and other people look at him now.

Right. Exactly. And I mean, you can do that too. Like a Dan can do that to someone. So it's interesting. But then I also think with a Pete Davidson is, I think there's that moment which girls someone. So it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it think he's funny. I get the vibe, but I can see why it's not a forever vibe for someone like Kim. Like it was a good distraction and fun,

but I think they should look sober and like, you know, see those chicken legs in the, and I have chicken legs too, but like just see those legs in like a pair of socks. And he's like, wait a minute. I got friends that are like, go off on like a different type. And everyone's like, dude, great, opposite the track. And then they had that moment when they're like,

all right, what the fuck am I doing? But I think, yeah, like who he ends up with, who knows? And I think his strategy is the same too. Like he had a very serious girlfriend who was Larry David's daughter. And she was pretty and she was smart and she was funny and you would think that, you know, and that was a great match. But the minute he stepped out and then started dating the more famous people, then he,

all of a sudden his career skyrocketed. And so he loved everything that brought to, like he acts like he's the comedian. There's so many comedians that act like they're they're the ones wearing the sloppy clothes and drinking the cheap coffee and they're like I don't care but this Hollywood bullshit. And they're the most hypocritical, most Hollywood, most thirst trap people ever. I know. The most about flying private, the most about like, you know, oh, I want to be the most famous person. And it's like such a ruse, like it cares. It's just like dating right now is so hard. Like, yeah.

So what's your deal now? I'm kind of unspoken. I'm seeing someone. Okay. We're not, it's tough. I think it's just really tough dating with the internet, honestly. Dating with social media, dating with people who have these crazy different lives and stories. It's hard.

If it's not one thing, it's another. Have you ever gone and met someone through a legit introduction or a matchmaker that obviously wouldn't charge you? But someone that's like, I have someone amazing. No. I honestly don't want a date a really wealthy man. It sounds like a good idea, but I'm concerned that like there could be a lot of abuse when

someone has a lot of money. There's a lot of ways they can punish you. Well when it's such an uneven playing field, it's like I always say, you know, I know girls that are third and fourth and even fifth wives and they're so sweet to their husband, like so much nicer than a first wife, because they kind of have to be, and they should be nice, but the dynamic is so different than a husband and wife that, you know, met in their late 20s and got rich together at 50. Like that relationship is so different than when that, you know, six-year-old man is dating

or married to a third wife who's, you know, 30. Yeah. It is going to be completely different because it's, it's just a different dynamic. And it doesn't mean that it can't work, but you got to know your place and then like, and then legally, there's a lot of stuff legally that happens because if this guy has been divorced three times and your wife number four, you better believe he's going to know what to do. And you better believe he's going to know what to do. And you better make sure that these gifts are actually gifts you can keep.

And all that stuff. Yeah. Well, that's, you know what, that's so interesting about juicy scoop and about Bravo as someone who is a 31 year old woman who's considering marriage and kids or whatever. Man, it makes, you, it makes you see things that are really important. Like, you know, you can be blamed for the crimes of a man. And you can see what happens, you know, to the New York City, to the asshole and what happen, like, you know,

it's just very eye-opening, it's scary. Yeah, it really is, but there's a lot of lessons, life lessons you could learn from a real housewife. True. I mean, one of mine was just, I remember watching Gina Kino go visit her son at baseball, which now looking back, I'm like, that kid didn't know she was coming

and he didn't know the cameras were coming, and he was stressed. And I met Gina and I talked to her about it. I go, I always feel so bad for the both of you that that's forever in a marathon like twice a year where your kid comes off absolutely horrific. But I remember seeing it as a mom of boys and I was like, I never want my son to talk to

me like that. You know what I mean? So it's like there's certain things that you do gain from watching this. Yeah. I don't want that or I do want that or yeah. It's tough. Yeah. Definitely.

So, you're out there. I love it. And what's like your, what is like, where would you like to see yourself in five years? This is a good question. This is the problem. I'm kind of at the, I've done the modeling thing for a long time. Yeah. And I got a lot of talent.

I do. I really do. I have a lot of talents and a lot of different things. So, I don't know. I don't know. I'm like, I'm totally enamored by, like, designed and business and I love to write and I've been acting and I don't. It would be wrong if I put it all into one box. So I have no fucking clue what I'm going to do. So are you are pursuing acting? You really should. Yeah. I've got a film coming out. Oh, good. It's pretty good. I was funny in it.

Oh my god. That's awesome. Yeah. I'm got a film coming out. Oh, good. It's pretty good. I was funny in it. Oh my god, that's awesome. Yeah, I've done something out. Soon. I'm not exactly sure, but you know where we can watch it. I'm a demand. Yeah, somewhere on demand. Good. But yeah, I've done some stuff in Tuno's.

I don't want to limit it, you know what I mean? Yeah. I'd be lying. I'm doing a lot of self-disgusting. Is it a Randall Emmett film? No, good. But I did do one of those. I a lot of self-disgusting. Is it a Randall Emmett film? No, good. But I did do one of those. I did one of those.

Good, good. Yeah, I met Randall on a plane. Oh my God, I met him. Yeah. Really? Long time ago. Pre-Vandropa. Oh, really?

Pre-Lala. Yeah, I thought he was the inspiration for Ari Gold. His personality was so strong. I was like, is this the guy from Entourage? That's what I thought. I think he was supposed to be the inspiration of turtle interesting but you know because originally he was the assistant to um he was the assistant to Mark Wahlberg in real life and then he became I believe his age and her manager and then became a movie producer so you know interesting, very charismatic person. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very interesting story.

It's a juicy story that continues on. Yeah. Well, I think you're super outgoing and talented and gorgeous and I really enjoyed hearing your life story and thanks for all the scoop. Thank you for the scoop. Everybody. You can go and follow her and, you know, see what she's all about

on Instagram and it's her last name is it's Lindsay P.E. L.A.S. the pop right up at 8.7 million. Shag me bitch. I can use a few more. I got you. I'll do my best. Thank you for having me. Thank you.