Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Reality Rehab, Chappell Roan, Menendez Bros with Matt Rogers

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, you guys, I dropped off Brandon, my youngest of three children, to the University of Oregon. I got this Oregon Mom Cup. It was beautiful, it was fun. A lot of people are like, why did you send him so late in the year? What's wrong with you?

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If you bought a meet and greet for these upcoming shows, they do take place before the show. So check all the info that they send you and I'll see you there. And now I'm really excited to give you a super juicy show. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a fun new first time guest at Juicy Scoop, but probably so many of you are familiar with him. He's been on Watch What Happens Live. He's a comedian, he's a singer, he's a star. Matt Rogers, welcome. I feel spiritually I've been here before.

I know, well, yes. But you didn't remember when we first met. Sorry. It hurt my feelings. But I do remember going to the show and everything. No, honestly, you came to my Christmas show a few years ago with dear friend Gary Branham. At the Melrose Improv. Yeah, at the Melrose Improv, and now I'm doing everything. No, honestly, you came to my Christmas show like a few years ago with dear friend Gary Branham. At the Melrose Improv.

Yeah, at the Melrose Improv. And now that I'm here sort of, cause it's gotten like, yeah, there it is. That was kind of your original thing is that you would do like a really fun kind of variety Christmas show. Yeah, so now it's become an album and it's like a whole tour that I go around the country with.

So it's my favorite thing to do every year. I love it. So you have all these huge dates in December. Yeah. But liked by Countess Luanne. Can you believe it? We're showing for the people that are just listening to this we have the Instagram in the back and it's just like showing the likes and the first one liked by Countess Luanne. I mean you then everybody should go. It means her gay intern is definitely coming. Yeah. The gay who's in charge of her socials is absolutely interested in the show.

And she probably still doesn't know who I am. We met once at her show. She, you know what though, I really do like her. And she really. She's great. And what's great about it is, because she's been doing her show so long, she does know the work and the struggle

and everything that goes into anyone doing a live show, whether it's live standup podcast, singing, whatever. So whether this was her or the gay intern or not, we don't know. Or the girl. It's a power move to have a gay intern. I love that. She's a top five housewife, Luanne.

Absolutely. Top five. Absolutely. And so I say, you know, you've been, you know, you've been, what do you call it? When you become like a royal, like anointed? She's been anointed. Yes, anointed by the Countess.

I've been anointed by Luanne. By the Countess. The Countess, I am the Prince of Christmas. And it's called the Prince of Christmas Tour. So this is all, a lot of royal imagery. Wow. I'm feeling very good about it. The world is coming together.

Well, we have so much juicy stuff to discuss. Truly. And listen, I have talked a lot about P. Diddy and I just have to tell you what has happened over the weekend. Go ahead. But we have lots of other funny stuff to talk about. Have you heard about the talk about Ashton Kutcher and P. Diddy? I have.

And I've also heard some crazy conspiracy theories that are out there, and it's getting wild. Like, I don't know what to, it's at the point now where it's like, it's getting crazier and crazier and you wouldn't believe it anyway, so now I'm like, sure, what else is true? But I did hear about Ashton being connected. I don't like thinking about it.

Well, so Ashton and he have been friends for a long time. You know, you always wonder how close are really friends, you know, whatever. But- If you're not my freak off, we're probably pretty close. If I invite you to my freak off, which is probably like watching Housewives and smoking weed, maybe ordering a pizza.

That's a freak off for me. But if you're there, you're my girl. Right, and so, Kendra Wilkinson of Playboy fame, now a realtor, very nice mom, like I know her, she's been on the show. She did speak up and she goes, yeah, I went to two of the parties. I never saw anything weird like that.

Not saying bad shit didn't happen. Just not my two experiences. Right, so it's like, and then other people are just complete cricket silence. And I kinda get that too because it's it's probably like well if you say something then it becomes a story now people might Not have been ever known that you went so I get why people are being careful I think this is something where people just don't want their name in the same sentence exactly So it's just like I'm sure everyone's PR across all towns is like listen You were involved shut the fuck up.

And so you're incriminated, and then come out with a good explanation, because this is dark, dark, dark. It's the darkest. It's the worst. And so anyway, to remind you of Ashton Kutcher, so he was on that 70s show with Mila Kunis, but he was over 21,

but they were just playing brother and sister, friends or whatever. They dated on the show, that was a whole thing. They said they didn't. Well, not them, the people, but their characters dated and she was 14 when she was playing that role and he was in his 20s. And she did have her first kiss ever on set with him.

Then he goes off to marry Demi Moore and found himself in an unfortunate situation in a hot tub in San Diego with a couple girls. And you know, that girl wasn't told. And anyway, they get divorced. Then he and Mila get married and have two kids and they say, we don't use soap or we don't shower. That was a big thing. But throughout the Demi marriage and the Mila marriage, he's been had a big charity that

he's run anti sex trafficking and revealing sex trafficking and speaking on it and like really in like government places. Yes. Meanwhile, his friend from that 70s show who is a Scientologist, Masterson. Yes,. Danny Masterson. He goes through several trials, several victims for sexual assault, all that stuff. In the beginning of that, there's a letter from Ashton saying, you know, what a great guy he is. Yeah, they wrote the letter of character.

Yes. Also, one time Ashton Kutcher also had a horrible unfortunate thing happen. He was going to pick up his girlfriend for a date and he looked through the window and she was dead. And he didn't go to the police, he went to Danny Masterson's house, the Scientologist, just to figure out what to do. He was never implicated in that.

But that's the story. So then, so of course, he's going to give Danny Masterson that nice letter of like, always was a delight when we hung out, never tried anything on me, so clearly couldn't have done it with anybody else. So all that being said, Danny gets convicted. He's, the over the weekend also there was talk that Mila was moving out.

That's not true. They were seen like going to Costco together or something, whatever. Also, Costco has spoken. They don't sell baby oil. What? They don't sell, whatever. Also, Costco has spoken. They don't sell baby oil. What? They don't sell baby oil. Oh, that feels crazy. Yeah, they don't sell baby oil. And I had joked about saying, oh, what's he going to

say? He went to Costco. And then even his own attorney, P. Diddy said, well, you know, near all of his mansions, there's a Costco, you know, within a few miles, but then no, they don't sell baby oil. So a lot of people think, why would they confiscate a thousand bottles of baby oil? They think that there's a liquid GHB possibly in it. So then it like rub it on you, whatever, and it makes you more- There's gotta be some reason for a thousand of them.

Very strange. So now with this, just that there's all these videos coming up, you know, if you ever mentioned P Diddy being in delight, inviting you anywhere, it's on Tik Tok. It's been cut. It's we've people are seeing it and some things are wrong. Like they're, they're showing a video of, um, of, uh, Justin Bieber in the back seat, all like, and they're like, what did he do to him?

It's a video from when he got his wisdom teeth removed. And he's in the back seat with people who love him who are filming. Did you see that interview with Justin Bieber talking about Billie Eilish? Yes. There was an interview with Justin Bieber talking about Billie Eilish,

and he gets really emotional talking about wanting to protect her, and it gives to me, like that kid had went through some stuff. I 100% and then the other part is like stop talking about it. Maybe he doesn't want people to know he was a victim or whatever. But I 100% in my opinion believe yes he was with the whole usher. Then you know usher has said things and usher. Then he goes I have a 48-hour custody of Usher.

And I mean, a story of Justin Bieber. And so- Why is that kid hanging out with adults? I mean, like at that point, it's just like, it's never going to look right when you look back in retrospect that that 14, 15-year-old kid was just jamming out with people that were over double his age.

Like, it's so bizarre. I think it's so bizarre. I think it's the same thing that happened with the R. Kelly parents, where they are unfamiliar with the business, which most stage parents are, unless you're a netball baby, how do you know how the fuck something happened?

And so then they're like, oh my God, this is this great opportunity that he's gonna be like, have access to all the music and they're gonna give him hits and Yeah, and nobody you know just like Michael Jackson Nobody's like I don't think any parent knowingly in any of those situations was like have my kid do what you want with them Yeah, right and all and so that we can be rich But as sure and said things early on like I saw some crazy stuff like in 2004

He's like I saw people having sex in a room. There's a quote like that. But with him, yeah, it's just very strange. And The Cut is writing about it, just saying that people are reconsidering his reputation for the star-studded parties and his relationships with A-listers. So the white party was attended by everyone from Leonardo DiCaprio to Martha Stewart. Yeah.

He did again Martha Stewart. That was like a friendship that everyone loved back in the day. It was like, can you believe they're best friends? Oh, they're Hamptons friends. Yeah, right. All rich people have that in common. Right. And then, but with him, again, there's a quote where he's like, I saw some crazy stuff. There's a lot I can't tell.

Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of that kind of stuff. Also a law firm in Texas is representing more than 50 alleged victims. So a whole new thing is going on that were sexually assaulted by him. Also a lawyer for Sean Combs accused or claims that she saw a very high profile person featured in a tape allegedly connected to Diddy. Someone more high profile than the music mogul. So someone even bigger than Diddy.

So of course people are thinking everything from, you know, and they're not saying, well, they are saying this. They're saying people are, everyone can have an opinion. So people are saying, you know, is it a former president? Is it a, you know, a former Time Show host? Is it who is in this thing? So, you know, everyone's shaking in their boots. And then Albie Schur, he sent a cease and desist

to the author of the Kim Porter book. So that Kim Porter book that came out on Amazon, which I'm glad I was predicted that I don't think I didn't think it was authentic. I didn't think there was any way to prove it was her real words. So it's not. I will. I just think they don't know how to prove where it came from. I think someone like if all of a sudden I just sold a book on Amazon and published it myself and put like Kim Porter's Secret Diaries and then got thousands of people to buy it and read it,

like I can just say, yeah, we were friends. Our kids went to preschool together. She gave me her diary. These are her work. Like who's to say what it is? That's insane. But the way it read and there was a couple timeline things that didn't like work out with history and whatever. Yeah. And it felt kind of weird. Yeah. So she so he's like, Hey, you know, I don't agree with that. So

then my whole thing I'm obsessed with is Jaguar right? What is that? You have not seen Jaguar right all over TikTok. No, what is Jaguar Wright? She's this former, well not former, but she was a songwriter and she has been doing interviews for like, I don't even know how many years, probably like on YouTubes and things like that in the hip hop world, dropping hints, like riddles about everything. So now that's all coming up. And she's like, and I'm kind of working on an impression of her because it's like, I'm so obsessed with she'll be like,

oh, don't you know why they weren't at the white party? Because they couldn't be, because P-Dawg is, and like, and then there's all these other weird like hip hop names that I'm not familiar with and then she'll just keep dropping things like, ever, but let's be honest. She always says, let's be honest and everybody knows. I'm like, no, not everybody knows, you're telling us.

And some of the things are a little far-fetched where you're like, but everything, we thought all of this was far-fetched. We thought what Kat Williams was a little far-fetched where you're like but everything but we thought all of this was far-fetched we thought what cat Williams was saying was far-fetched and now we're like I guess it was I don't know when cat Williams came out and said all that stuff I kind of believed every word of it because I was just like what is he why would he come out here and say this I just thought the 50 million was a little I was offered 50 million four times I think we forget how rich these people are okay that's what I mean listen the whole thing kind of have you ever been propositioned in your Hollywood career

for to do what to propositioned proposition to do something sexual in exchange for an opportunity maybe it's not laid out, maybe it's a wink wink, maybe it's just someone acting like they're interested in you but they are actually could really help you. I think that with gays it might be a little. Wait you're gay? Yeah exactly, I mean did my Brooks Marks hat give me away? I feel I was put on this earth to do two things,

make people laugh and sell Brooks Marks merch. So I'm here on the Juicy School Podcast wearing this excellent black hat with red letters. Great job Brooks. Well I really appreciate you wearing Brooks's. Is that your Meredith? Yes, Brooks's hat, he's worked very hard. Meredith actually is the one that sent it.

Oh I love, of course I sent it to you. And Brooks, I actually, I got in touch with him originally because during the pandemic, when Salt Lake first popped off, I bought the whole Brooks Marks Sweatsuit set. How is it? It's great. And I have to say, for all the gays out there listening, it sort of lifts your ass a little bit.

How does a sweatpants lift your ass? I don't really know. They're made incredibly well. I thought I was like absolutely slaying it in this tracksuit and I kind of was. And I posted it like a little photo shoot, like a little impromptu stupid thing I did. And then Meredith reached out and she was like,

this is amazing, thank you for supporting Brooks, et cetera. And I've since gotten a little bit of like a relationship with them and they're great. And they send me some stuff and they know to keep sending it cause I will wear it. I love it. I met him and just glowing skin. He is a beautiful boy.

Beautiful boy and very sweet. So good guy. I met him at a Sutton event. Oh, really? Yes, just to double down on the name drop. His new show that they're all going to be on together, the one with Gia. The kids of Housewives.

Yeah, I was actually walking. Cape Manhattan, right? Whatever it is. I was walking down the street in the West Village and I saw them shooting. It was Gia. Gia was sitting at a table outside in the West Village. Gia, Teresa's daughter.

Yes. And they were shooting some lunch scene. And I was like, oh, wow, here she is following in the footsteps. We'll see. We'll see how those type of things do. We will see. And if there is an audience for it. And if who's going to watch it? and if, like, who's gonna watch it,

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-♪ Okay, so get back to being propositioned. I really have never really been propositioned ever. I think sometimes, like, it's a little casual between all gay men, so if you ever, like, and, like, you know what I mean? Like, maybe there's, like, a little bit of flirting, but I've never had, like, a tough situation. I've had friends that if you ever like, and like, you know what I mean? Like maybe there's like a little bit of flirting, but I've never had like a tough situation.

I've had friends that have had like tough situations. I've never done anything I didn't want to do. What's a tough situation? You don't have to name any names. Well, I wouldn't. But a tough situation is like, oh, they get like, you know, groped or something. You know what I mean?

Like at some sort of social event where there's like, you know, it's like that weird gray area where it's like a social event, but it's with people that you could work with. It's like sort of the lines get blurred. I feel like that's a lot of the entertainment industry. And so I feel like I've had friends and I've understood what situations could turn into.

I'm lucky that I've learned things before I've been in situations because those situations happen all the time. It's one of the things I think that people don't talk about enough is abuse of power between gay men happen all the time. It's one of the things I think that people don't talk about enough is, you know, abuse of power between gay men. Because I think that it's like a little shh,

because no one wants to actually come out and be like, hey, here's what happened with me in like a gay way. Like people are scared to like, it's hard enough to come out as a victim of anything. No matter who you are. But then when you're also coming out with your sexuality in a town that's still, it's better, but it's not great

in terms of like, now I'm a gay actor as opposed to now I'm just an actor. Yeah, or it's like when Terry Crews, you know, he came forward and said he was inappropriately, really inappropriately groped by a man that was high up at a huge Hollywood agency. Yeah, that was really brave of him to do that because again, like it's putting,

I think another thing too is like, the way that we assume some men are gonna be or that they must be able to handle themselves or that it's not gonna be something that affects them or all supposed to let everything roll off our backs, it's really traumatizing. I mean, like it's fucked up. Like I said, it's never been a situation that I've been in like and and to my detriment

But it's I hear about it all the time. And so when someone actually comes out and says something it's yes It's brave and yes, it's important, but I'm also really impressed because I know how people This if we live in a very judgmental world and the comment section gets bigger and bigger and bigger and harder and more difficult, and so to come out there and be like, this happened to me is really fucking tough, which is why I believe everybody.

Which is the thing is, whether you're gay or straight, man or woman, if it's not something you're asking for and you didn't encourage it, not encourage it, but you didn't want it, you didn't, you know, and it came to you as like what? Whether it was a grab or I whipped it out or I walked into a space naked and you were not expecting to see a penis. Right. You know, it's traumatizing and you remember it and it's awful and it's scary and it's like what the fuck is going on?

And so yeah, I do think it's really important that people, I can see why people don't share it because then you don't wanna have it hurt your career. Because then you're synonymous with that. Right. And unfortunately that's the way it is. It's like, because of the way the media is, they're gonna be more interested in that salacious thing

that happened to you than they are in that cool project you were in. Yes. You know what I mean? Like you Google yourself one day and it probably doesn't matter if it's five, six years after that thing. That's gonna be the thing that pops up. Totally, exactly.

So it's asking to be in the same breath as that person who did that to you or that situation for likely a long time, which is why I think everyone with this diddy stuff is like Like if they don't have to come forward like they're clamming up because they don't want to be in the same sentence as p-ditty I'm sure Ashton Kutcher is in hell right now. I remember years ago when my podcast first started I ended up playing a tape of this Network executive he owned the podcast company podcast one I ended up playing a tape of this network executive,

he owned the podcast company, Podcast One, like being fully creepy and like asking to touch my breasts and stuff like that. And I didn't share it for a long time. And then I was like, oh, well, here's, you know, when it was coming up in the news with other people, having things on tape, I'm like, oh, I kind of had something weird like that happen. And when I shared it, then it was like,

well, I was just joking. I was just joking. And I'm like, oh, well, then you should be happy that I played the joke. Don't you want everyone to know how funny you are? Like, that's great, right? So, anyway, when I wanted to sort of what I was asking about, I did have people high up in Hollywood be like, do you really now that you're going to be associated with this story? Is this really the story you want to be associated with? I said, yes, I do. I do want to be associated with it. I do want people to know about it. And I do want people to, and I do want young women of all ages or men or whatever to know that this is wrong. And also for the people that might do it, realize that it's not funny, it's not cool.

And, or if you witness it, be that hero that's like, hey dude, what the fuck are you doing? You know, like get away. So I was like, yeah, I do want to be associated with it. And I'm fine with being associated with it, but like I get it. I mean, honestly, that's like very noble. And I'm really happy that that's something

that you can sit with and be like, I feel like I did the right thing and this happened and I feel like it's better that people are aware of this person it's like I I kind of see both sides when it comes to people coming forward because again like I had a really close friend that this happened to at the hands of someone like really powerful and I completely understand why you wouldn't say anything because if you feel like it won't go anywhere or you just feel like I'm still trying

to make something happen for myself and before I can have any power or before I can have any notoriety for anything else, I'm not just gonna come out and do this. It's heartbreaking, it sucks. And then if you do, people are like, oh, they're trying to stay relevant or she's a cloud Oh, yeah, right exactly and all this other kind of stuff. It's like you just yeah

You just why the guys still do it yeah, because they know it with it Yeah, and also I don't necessarily trust that it's all above board between like The people that would report on it and them you know what I mean. I think it's all transactional I think that's the kind of thing that really sucks about the entertainment industry sometimes is that, and this happens across all industries. And I know that to be true. I'm sure it happens in business.

I'm sure it happens in small businesses. I know what happens in restaurants from having worked in them. But like, if you're a powerful person in any dynamic, like you can get away with shit because you are the one with the money, you're the one with the hiring power, you're this XYZ, that's why I think like,

I never really, I can't really judge anyone for like, and then it's not as simple as like I'm gonna quit either because it's like okay, then you have to get another job. Yeah, people don't realize how hard that is. It's very hard. You didn't have to stay on that TV show, oh I'm sorry, are there just other TV shows for me to join? Exactly.

Even if you worked at Nordstrom, you're like, fuck, is it worth quitting? Now I gotta go to Bloomingdale's and it's further away. And I know how the job works. I like the job. No one ever talks about the hardest thing about being sexually harassed is that when you like the job and you're like, why'd you fucking have to do this? I don't wanna leave this job, I actually really like it. But sometimes, like, sometimes you actually like the person

outside of what they've done. That's that confusing thing where it's like, you know. Yes, very good point. At the beginning, it's like this thing happens, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna ignore it because I like that person, and whatever, it's a little flattering that they wanted to do that with me. Then maybe it happens again happens and you're like, oh I'm gonna ignore it because I like that person and it's whatever It's a little flattering that they wanted to do that with me. Then maybe it happens again and you're like, okay I'm uncomfortable, but I still like everything else about this person. This person's funny

This person's a listener. This person is a good friend to me. This person is Well liked by everyone I'm around like I don't want to create the problem and that is another way that people abuse people is by creating a situation where they think their world is really small, or they think like it would be uncool or lame for me to be the person that says something. So anyone that does step forward and says anything,

it's just, it's not just like, I'm gonna get this guy, or I'm gonna get this woman, or I'm gonna get this insert abuser here. It's so many other things they've had to go through, which is why I truly do believe everybody. Like, I mean, I just don't think it, I don't think anyone's a psychopath enough to come out and just ruin someone's life.

With my situation, the podcast One Guy died. It's not the current person, so I just wanna say that. It was many years ago. And I never ever took legal action. I never did anything like that. But I had people, and I'd be like, hey, can't you come on my show? And they're like, you're suing the guy.

I go, no, I'm not. I'm not doing anything. I didn't do one thing. I shared it. I shared it. Because it was in my possession. It was my right to share what was recorded on, you know, he knew we were recording an ad.

He knew it. I literally didn't. I didn't wire myself. I didn't suit, you know, but I'm like, wow, you know, and, but I had stink on me. And I've had stink on me a number of times throughout my career. And I called the Hollywood stink where people are just like, I don't wanna fuck with her.

I don't wanna be her friend. I don't wanna invite her to anything. I don't want to be on her show. I don't want to, and it's, you know, what's kind of great about once you realize it doesn't matter and you're talented enough that it'll surpass, but it's hard when you have the stink and you're like, oh, I get it.

I got some stink on me right now, so you're just gonna avoid eye contact with me at this party and act like we didn't know each other for 10 years? Okay, thanks, and then it's like, ah. Then I do my neene, then I do my neene like, oh, I see. We see each other. Oh, that was candy, I guess, right?

Well, I mean, my thing too is like there's different kinds of Think oh, yes, of course. It is someone does someone else think on them for an unfair reason then okay, fuck Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it's like you're my friend But if there's stink on you because it's like people are saying some crazy shit. Yes, like then yeah, I actually am being like Until until you can prove that this is not a thing, I am over here. Right, that's great point. Great point. That's the thing too, is it's like,

perception is reality, whatever, but not really. There's different levels of stink. We all know it. And it doesn't do is like- There's a wafting, and then there's like a, holy shit, I'm gonna puke stink. Oh God, and I mean like, sometimes it's, I would imagine it's very hard to be a close friend

of someone who gets called out in that way, but it's like no one's asking you to come out and condemn, just shut the fuck up and wait for the answers. Let this person, my thing is just like, another thing is if you're accused and if someone comes out and says, hey, this happened to me, respond to it. And I always, whenever people are staying really quiet and they've been the ones like,

I just, I don't know, it's a really gray area. The PR is probably like, no one really knows how to handle it, but also it's like, I don't know. It's a very gray area, cause it's like, there's a level of like articles written about you, like on legit huge places, TMZ, Page Six, whatever. And then there's just like rumblings among a small niche community. But if you see it and it's about you,

it's like very disheartening. But then you also have to tell yourself, it's a small thing and I'm above it. If I ignore it, then it's like, it has no way to go. So I kind of see both. But let's get into some other stuff. Yeah. Um, Travis, she hasn't been to the last two games.

Taylor. I think it's fine. I honestly, I think that she, people are forgetting. Also like, you know what? She's got a lot going on. She's got a lot going on and also it's like, okay, like do I have to go to another one? Like if you're not a super, super football fan,

she really wasn't before, it's not her kid. Yeah, and also- Does she have to go to every single game? I think like sometimes, like this is what's so funny. He looks cuter in that photo though. It looks like he's like slimmed out. I think he's gorgeous. I think it's, you know what I like,

I don't like the beard. I like a stash, no beard. See, I like the beard, but although I will say, I mean, he's got a, he's got a, the man has a beautiful face. He's so, he's very cute. And I also, I'm very excited to see what their children look like. And so you definitely think they're getting married or having kids.

I think that they're definitely going to. Yeah. My read on the situation is that they seem really happy and I think if she's not at a couple games it has more to do with she's probably busy or she maybe is just like, yeah, I don't want to watch football again and again and again. Like anything else, when you're the new girlfriend, you're gonna act like you love to go camping. Yeah, right. I love camping. Oh my God, teach me how to fish.

Three years in, you're like, you go with your buddies and I don't even care if you do a broke back mountain because I would rather stay at the Four Seasons by myself. Go do your own thing. Wasn't everyone just all over her ass for being in the same box as Brittany Mahomes? Now she's not at the games and that's a problem with that. She can never win.

It's funny because she wins constantly. And yeah, she can never really win in the court of public opinion because it doesn't matter. She could come out and be like, I'm donating a billion dollars to charity. People would be like, fuck her, this is all calculated. You know what I mean? It's just like, it's never gonna be.

Or you know what, a billion dollars to her or it's always like, a billion dollars to her is not that much. Yeah right. It's always that yeah. It's always gonna be something and I would agree I would agree that not everything about her is totally above board but anytime anyone is scrutinized to the degree that she is and they are are like for example Chappell-Rone is being right now. We're gonna get to that. No I know but like what I'm saying is like you you is being right now. Wait, we're gonna get to that. No, I know, but what I'm saying is like, you, when someone is a human being,

it's never gonna be 100% on board that you agree. And when they express any opinion that has any complexity, you of course can find things in there that are little holes, and I just think, okay, if I'm online being a little nerd online, absolutely dragging them through the mud, is it in good faith? No, it's not.

And that's why you just have to fucking log off the whole thing. So I'm happy that wherever she is, she's not through the mud. Is it in good faith? No, it's not. And that's why you just have to fucking log off the whole thing. So I'm happy that wherever she is, she's not at the game. I just think, you know, but I guess he hasn't been playing as well as last year. So there's a little- They said that too. So, you know, it's probably a little of everything,

but also just like, I mean, maybe she just would like to be in her sweats in her bed. But if you're a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs and you're like upset because he's not playing well, what do you think is gonna improve his performance? Blaming it on his girlfriend? Getting online and being all angry about it? I really feel like in the past month and a half especially,

maybe it is the Chappellrone thing, which I know we're gonna get to, but I really feel very exhausted about the discourse around these people. I feel like we need all new famous people sometimes. I kind of agree. We need a total refresh. Like, this I almost didn't even bother with it.

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Incredible. My audience knows I have been obsessed. I knew the ex-boyfriend of Lyle's first wife. Oh wow. Yeah, she left him for Lyle while he was in prison. Yeah, he was a struggling actor and Lyle had a regular gig on Court TV and that's who she went with. Totally true story. So Lyle was reporting from Court TV? No, we're not reporting. He was on the stand. Oh, that's what you mean. Lyle, the mendist. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I understand. And then he cheated on her, but not physically, just with other people writing letters. This is before, this is, oh, really? This is like 30 years ago. So he had an emotional affair with other women through pen pals.

Why he was married to Ana Menendez. Oh, that's wild. And then he got another wife. And so I think I have two episodes left. Excellent Emmy nods for every single person. Yeah, that episode, which is the one shot. Amazing. Cooper Koch, is that his name? He's fabulous. He's amazing and gorgeous.

But they're both gorgeous, but there's something about that Cooper. Like I think he should be a huge star. Also he's a more likable character between the two brothers and always had in real life as well. So it's absolutely fabulous. It is very disturbing. All of this information, I had,

I was following the trial when I, when it was happening, because I'm that age. But it's done in such a well way. But it is extremely graphic, taking what was put in the court and the trial and tripping it. It's hard to watch. So it is something. You're going to see stuff that you didn't see in the Lifetime

movie with Courtney Love five years ago, where she played Kitty. And there's been you know there's been movies there's been things this is you know scripted and but it's just like really done well and so you know there's all the different theories one that they the two boys killed their parents out of greed and they were monsters and they were horrible and they didn't give a shit the other one is they were their, which we thought they were going to kill us because we were going to reveal the secret of our of us being victims of their molestation,

especially the dad. And then the third one is the two boys had an incestuous incestual gay relationship as brothers, and they felt the parents were gonna reveal that secret, and therefore they killed that. Those were always the three kind of crazy theories, and did they get the idea of saying they were molested by books and movies? Like they- I don't think it happens like that. No.

I think these kids were abused. Oh, I think- Badly. I think, I definitely think two things can be true at the same time. I think 100% think two things can be true at the same time I think a hundred percent they were abused and horribly and

hated and therefore hated the parents and also was like Fuck you. You're not gonna. You're not gonna like take our lifestyle away now that we're not going to cooperate With your secrets and your sex anymore. And they did make a plan to kill them. I don't believe they thought that night they were going to be killed, but I believe they killed because of what the torture

they had been put through since they were like six and seven years old. So I do, I've said for years, I do think 35 years is enough. However, what I would wanna see is if they were to get out, because in the second trial, the one that convicted them, they did not allow a lot of the testimony that gave their story of validity,

like the cousins and everybody. And so if they were to reevaluate that, and people coming forward now that worked with Menudo, and did the dad who managed or had some say in Menudo there's some of those Menudo players that said they were victims and yeah so if they were going to reveal all that and they were able to not have a life sentence anymore and get out I want to follow them to see how well their two marriages go once they're out of prison it is kind of interesting to think about like, okay, now your husband's out of prison

and you've never touched. Never had a meal, like, maybe they can hug or something, but they could not have, there's no conjugal business in Calvert yet for a life sentence. So like, and also, but now you're home, like you've been doing this as a woman for 20 years, where you- Have they been married that long? Each of doing this as a woman for 20 years, where you- Have they been married that long?

Each of them have had a wife for 20 years. Wow. And each of them, the wife comes and visits like a couple times a week, lives close by. So that's been that woman's life. This guy that just says, you look beautiful. He's always excited to see you. You're never having to check his phone.

You're never having to wonder where he is That's why women like to date prisoners. They say you're great. They say they live you and you're fine You don't need his income you have your house you have your plans and every Sunday you get that love tank or whatever So then now they're out and just like before there's gonna be women that are gonna be like I want to meet them I'm not just like a housewife husband who gets DMS from people try to see like I wonder if this I wonder if I can rock the boat I wonder if I can rock the boat get a dick pic set and then be part of the show Like yeah, so it's gonna happen and then they're gonna have to deal with that. Yeah, honestly

They the thing is like the one thing that takes me out like because I was young when this was a real trial, but like, and so I'm kind of just like researching it now. I knew there was a narrative about them being hot, but I didn't realize it was like this. I was like, obviously they're extremely hot actors in the show playing them and like their bodies are on display. It's very Ryan Murphy, but even the actual Menendez brothers, like Eric Menendez, you get why women are sending him letters.

You get it. Right, yes, and the other part was- Which feels insane to say about abused children that become older. Like, that's my one thing is the sexualization of them in the show. I get that we're doing a TV show, but also it's so weird. Like, I was texting my friends about it. I was like, God, these guys are so hot,

but is it crazy to think that? When in the next breath, they're like really graphically detailing their sexual abuse, like, it's a tough walk for me with some of these shows. Also, I mean, when they start the trial, at that point, I don't know if the public knew that the defense was going to be about abuse.

I can't remember. Right, I'm talking about the television show now. We very much do know. But in the movie, this is true, to be about abuse, I can't remember. Right, I'm talking about the television show now. Yes. We very much do know. But in the movie, this is true in that they got all these letters and there were fans of women dying. And it's the same thing, like what I said, women loving the guys behind bars.

There's, you know, love after lock up is a TV show. That whole thing and being like, I can be the one to save you and thinking that they're hot and seeing them on TV and like with the girl Anna Menendez, like literally I when the guy told me that I'm like, so but you weren't booking anything. So can you blame her? Like I was like laughing. But it was just it's it's crazy that because they saw them on TV. And then also with the defense attorney, what I remember one of the funny kind of interesting things

that came out during the trial at the time was, it was her idea to say we need to put them in sweaters, not in blazers and suits. So they look wholesome. And they look younger, because by the time the trial happened, they were in their mid-20s. When the crime happened, they were like 18 and 21. And so she wanted to try to make them look younger

and more vulnerable to bring you back to like, and my sister's a criminal defense attorney and a lot of the appearance, or if a girl or a woman has too much makeup on or not enough, how that can kind of make the jury be like, hmm, yes. So it was really it anyway it is Really really well done. So it is a trigger warning

But if you if you want to watch something good, I highly recommend I actually I there have been a few times I've had to like skip through it because it's just it is overwhelming The acting is but the acting is in Oh, it's spectacular and and they did go to meet The Menendez brothers in prison with Kim Kardashian. I don't know why Kim Kardashian has to be involved. But she has been in Ryan Murphy things. It's a Ryan Murphy thing.

She can do whatever she wants. It's just like when she gets involved and stuff like that, to me, it just, I'm never going to be 100% like, oh, this isn't about her. You know what I mean? It's not about criminal justice. Well, listen, I'm in gonna be 100% like, oh, this isn't about her. You know what I mean? It's not about criminal justice. Well, listen, I'm in love with this Cooper kid,

and I have put it out there last week. I'm putting it out again. I think he could play JFK. That's the next Ryan Murphy thing, JFK Jr. With Caroline. I'd like to see would be a whole different character and I think he can play that I'm sure he's one of Ryan's boys now because the other one is also in a grotesquerie okay which is the Travis

yeah with Travis Kelsey okay Kristen Cavallari Cavallari has called it quits with Mark Estes after seven months. This was this cute guy who was part of these Montana hot guys that are straight that would just like do like weird TikToks, kind of like the TikTok Mormon moms. Yeah, I think I recognize him actually. But also he has a face that every hot guy on TikTok has, so okay.

He has a perfect face. I mean, he has a perfect face, but they all have perfect faces. Perfect body. And she, you know, was like 37, 38, divorced with three kids. He was like 24. And everybody was really down for her being like,

oh my God, you know, yeah, I'm gonna climb that Montana mod. Like she always talked about how like hot the sex was. And it was like, good, go do it, mama, like who cares? Anyway, they broke up. Here I am, I ran into them at... Is that stagecoach? Stagecoach, yes.

And I mean, I'm just saying, hold on. I mean, he's hot. I'm just saying, look at that, look at us together. He looks like a young Tom Brady, but hotter. Yeah, look at us together. Anyway. How was stagecoach? Stagecoach like hotter. Yeah, look at us together. Anyway. How was stagecoach? Stagecoach is always real fun.

I have to go. I've only been to Coachella. I think it's really, really fun. It's still really young. It's not like an old person thing. Yeah, no, it looks fun. It's just a lot of Del Rey's doing it next year. Yeah, it's just like, I think it's just very cute people.

I love a cowboy hat. Love it. I think everyone looks cute in a cowboy hat and I just has a fun vibe I'm gonna be there. Okay. We'll hang out. Yes so Anyway, I think it's interesting. I think I love This was you know, people talk about a cougar. This is a puma

Oh, she's not old enough to be a cougar not only have to to be a, yeah, it's a puma or cougar thing. Not a cougar, it's a puma and a cub. And a puma and a cub. And I think, you know what, I'm glad she- They look the same age though. I mean, like, she's extremely preserved. You know what I mean? But I'm glad she didn't, like, have a baby with him.

I'm glad she didn't marry him. And if I was his mom, I'd be glad to. Look, she's obviously, she was out of a divorce. She met a hot guy. He was down. He wanted to go to stage coach. Yeah. Let's fuck. But, you know, when you're dealing with a man and a woman

and a woman has kids and ovaries and, you know, and does she want to start all over again? No. And does he want that? It is complicated. In, you know, some age ranges, it doesn't matter. In this one, it did, and goodbye. All the best to them. I'm sure they're going to have sex with lots of hot people

in their life. Absolutely. So are you watching Real Housewives of OC? I sure am. I think we're in a good season. Tell me what your initial thoughts are, Matt Rogers, about the season and what you think should happen, could happen.

Give it to me all in a nutshell. I don't think that. So it feels kind of Jersey-ish to me in that it feels like we're headed to a place where it can't really continue like this. Just because. With the same cast. Well, with the same cast, just because now it's getting legally, you know what I mean? It's getting legally.

I'm kind of surprised Tamara doesn't learn her lesson on this stuff. I have to be honest. Yes, so for those that you don't know, so the episode in the last week was they go over to the new girl Katie's house and Tamara's very upset because Jen, who is their second season and her boyfriend Ryan, Ryan went on a podcast and I guess didn't speak

that highly of Tamara or Eddie. And so she was like, you know, I guess didn't speak that highly of Tamar or Eddie. And so she was like, you're a piece of shit or whatever she was saying, which a lot of people were like, you know, not only Tamar, have you said stuff about everybody on the TV show for years and on Watch What Happens Live for years, but you have your own show in which you depict all these shows and and say unflattering things about people So why when it happens to you is that like instantly crying victim, but I get it It's hard to hear someone you know say here when you actually hear Which is like I always say I heard what you said about me on your podcast is like, you know

What we used to do in high school is we'd have three ways and if someone was like I swear She's talking shit about you. sometimes we would do a three way. Three way call. And we would not let, yeah, we would be like, oh, hey. And then we would almost entrap the person. Yes. Truly evil behavior, but righteous behavior. Horrible heathers from the movie Heathers.

Mean girls sue. Like all the way. So this is kind of the same thing, but now we all do it. And it's a way of life. And if we're talking about a TV show and recapping, that's one thing, but these people actually know each other. So she was hurt by it. a way of life. And if we're talking about a TV show and recapping, and that's one thing, but these people actually know each other, so she was hurt by it, they get into it. And she brings up the FBI, and Eddie's trying

to cover her mouth. And also we see Eddie tell Katie's husband, don't serve her another drink. So then she goes on Watch Realms Live, and she's like, I don't drink. And then she also says a more about Ryan, a more about Ryan. So.

She can't stop. So then we see her walking down the street in a story with Eddie, which was more than we've seen Eddie on Housewives in the last three years, it's just doing these, you know, and they're like, we just had a great Italian meal. Oh yeah, we did. And by the way, I just had a great Italian meal. Oh yeah, we did.

And by the way, I misspoke. And I meant to say, I drink, but I haven't been drunk since that night. And also, I don't know anything about Ryan's case. You're, you know, innocent till proven guilty. Gonna go get an ice cream now. Yeah, no. And so he wasn't having it.

So he sent, Ryan sent a lawyer, sent a cease and desist. She sent, has done a apology on her Instagram story. We'll see where it goes from there. I don't think he's gonna sue her in a real way. I don't think it'll go much further, but I am surprised that she doesn't learn from her mistakes in this regard. Like, she's always on one about how much money she lost

the last time she had a legal situation. Right, right. And blaming people for that, yeah, I understand that. You know, you said it. And also, I'll just speak to an entertainment perspective. Yeah. I don't think this is why Tamara's good on the show. You know what I mean?

I think sometimes she's confused about, when she goes too far, I think that she only looks antagonistic and I don't think that's actually what she wants. I think she wants and I think she likes to claim going out there and being the person that shakes it up. I bet she would even cop to the fact that she's like a little bit of a cast slash producer role. I think she would cop to that but I think what she's not seeing is when she's mean, it just looks mean. I don't think anyone's on her side this season, which is crazy because it's not that she doesn't have a point.

I think she has a great point about Shannon. That Shannon, who I've met and has been very kind, but Shannon obviously has issues. And I think that she does need some tough love. Does it need to go as far as Tamara takes it? No, probably not. And then when it comes to her friendship with Jen, it's like, if you don't want this at all, don't pretend. You know what I mean?

You clearly hate her fiance, boyfriend, whatever the fuck he is to her now. It's just, it feels phony to me when she goes so far. That's how I feel. This is what I think, and I said it last year too. I think Tamra was very sad and felt very betrayed to be not asked back after, you know, where she delivered every year and featured everything.

So she got a two year break. So when she came back, she was gonna come back, guns a blazing and also be the person that delivers the most to the producers. So she goes, I got this girl, Jen. This is what I think, this is my opinion. I think she went to the producers, I got this girl, Jen.

She's really pretty, she's got a juicy backstory. She started dating this guy while she was still married. He has a reputation around town. Get them on the show. Then I think she was like... Right under the bus. And then was like to Jen, oh my God, I can get you on Housewives and we can all be best friends.

So I think Jen walked in there thinking, Tamara's my friend. I can't believe she's such a lovely person to get me on this show. This is so sweet. And I think she would act one way when the cameras were on and then when the cameras were off, she'd be very nice. And when the cameras were on, she'd be like, hi, Tamara. And then Tamara was like, throw a napkin in her face. And she was just like, wait, what?

I don't understand. So I think that's where it was like, who are you? And I think Tamara is a different person when she's on camera, because I think she really is like, I'm gonna deliver the job, and I don't care what happens, because everything I do, even if it gets me in trouble, like this incident this past week,

I think she's like, so what? It's all good for the show, and you guys should be happy for me. I don't think it is good for the show, is my opinion. Okay. Like I think that if Tamara acted more like herself, she'd be a more compelling, likable character.

She could still mix it up, she could still carry the bones, she could still do all this stuff, but she wouldn't be throwing a napkin in this woman's face for literally no reason. She wouldn't be screaming at Shannon like, is that before you have a drink in the morning? It's like, I don't believe that she really would say these things.

It feels like produced housewife behavior and I think it would be glib on her part for her to think that the audience doesn't see that. And I think that's where she's gonna lose people. Because one thing about Shannon Bedor, I believe that Shannon Bedor is an authentic version of whatever is going on. I really do think that.

And I would say, for a lot of these women, I mean, I believe that Jen is like that. I believe that Emily is like that. I believe Gina is like that. Heather, I mean, you know, Heather Dubrow, I think she just is so Hollywood that a little bit of his artifice, but I think the essence of her is real.

Did you see when he was getting his nose done, Terry, and then he was like, can I finish a sentence or whatever? Yeah, don't admonish me on camera. And she like, and they've, you know, anytime they say anything about on camera and they've got those mics on, Heather DeBrow, those producers are no longer protecting you

the way they did. Because they wouldn't have shared that if they thought that if they were trying to protect them for another season of Botched and hope not to piss off Heather. They wouldn't have shared that hot mic moment of them being like, where she's like, you can't talk to me like that on camera, which is completely normal. You're doing a reality show, you're with your husband.

I don't blame anyone that before putting on mics, they go to the bathroom with their husband and they're like, all right, let's try to be cool. Let's try to be nice. When I come and grab your hand, grab it back. Let's act loving. Let's give a good front for the, like that's like, that's common sense.

That's not, you know. My opinion on it is that her, what she's obviously doing this season is campaigning to be put on Beverly Hills. All of this stuff about like, no, I'm just showing my life and I live in LA now. Of course I love being on OC Housewives. Those are my girls.

It's not real. I think that she wants to be on Beverly Hills and I don't blame her. Yeah, I don't think- I don't blame her because I do like the OC Housewives. I don't wanna be in it with these women. If I'm Heather Dubrow, and I legitimately want to live in Beverly Hills, if I legitimately want an LA life,

and this is the situation, I do believe she's a little bit of an elitist, but I do get it. So I just think the campaign that she's doing to get put on Beverly Hills is not one that Bravo loves. And I think that they don't wanna put her on Beverly Hills. I think they like her on this show. And they're sort of exposing her a little bit in a way they didn't,

because I think they wanna show the artifice, because they're like, you think this is working and it's not. Speaking of exposing, okay, also over the weekend, your friend, Joel Kim Booster, funny comedian, you guys perform sometimes doing shows together. We've been friends for a very long time.

Okay, good. Well, he has a big show coming out. He is the host of the show that includes Shannon and Luann and Ashley Darby and Giselle. They go to Cabo and it's like, you know, golden bachelorette, but four women and several guys and we don't, you know, so they do it. And he's the host. And he posted over the weekend on his stories, awful things about Shannon saying that, you know, she's, you know, think she's a diva and she wasn't behaving well. And I'm just paraphrasing because I don't have in

front of me and I don't want to read it. But and then he goes, um, um, you might want to screenshot this because I'm going to have to delete it soon. Then the next one was like, well, that was quick. Hope you got it. And then people were DMing him and he was sharing more that at the wrap party, she was rude to someone that meant something to him. So all these, you know, the people that care, all jumping on it, deciphering what's real, what's not. And my opinion is,

with all due respect to Joel, I don't really like this. I think it's uncool. I think it was calculated. I think maybe he was, this is my opinion, maybe he was encouraged to do that because maybe they want to take her down a notch. Did she act like that? It's possible. Is everyone listening to this a complete delight every single day of their life

and you're the star of a show that involves love and involves your daughters while your current show is airing and every day you're getting like laser shot at you about Jim Jansen and everything like and we know that that is what makes her a thing so no I don't think that every actor and reality star is a complete and total delight on the set 24 hours a day. So no, I don't think that every actor and reality star is a complete and totaled light on the set 24 hours a day. That's my opinion. Yeah, I think for me, it's just my response to it just because I am very close with Joel and do know stuff about the situation. My literal thing is I just wish I didn't know because I want to watch the show. Like for me, that's my thing is I'm like, I just wish I didn't know because I wanna watch the show. Like for me, that's my thing is I'm like,

I just would rather have seen this play out when the show comes on than know that things went a certain way or that people act a certain way this far in advance. Should he have popped off like that? No, did he? Yes. I've met Shannon before, she's been perfectly lovely.

He obviously, judging by his stories, had a completely different experience. But is everybody lovely or mean 24 hours a day? That's what I'm saying, I do think every, I do think- I don't think it's about that though. I think if she had a couple bad moments, he wouldn't have said it anyway. Okay, all right.

And I don't know the specifics of the situation, but clearly this person merited that in some way. Should it have been made public like that? Absolutely not. And also he said a string of bad relationships. Well, she was married for 20 years. Right. And then she, I don't think that's a string.

I don't think everything he said was. You know, I don't think that's a string to say you're married for 20 years and then you had another boyfriend for three or four years and they both didn't string to say you're married for 20 years and then you had another boyfriend for three or four years and they both didn't work out and you're 60 so you have two exes. I don't think that's a string. And I just think sometimes in this world in which there's a variety of people and demographics

that love watching women in their 50s be reality stars who are struggling with raising kids, alcoholism, divorce, whatever. We all watch it. And sometimes I think, as much as I love gay men who love it, that they are not always an ally to straight women of a certain age. I don't think they know they can't put themselves in their shoes. Just like I can't put myself in your shoes. I don't know what you've struggled. I don't know what you've done.

So I can't speak like, why don't you act like this? So I just kind of it was a little bit of that where I don't think enough people talk about a little misogyny that we all gay men and women my age all of watching these women. We all love to comment on it. We're horrible to them too. We're horrible to them. We love, we like them better when they're struggling with their weight and are crying than when they're thin and gorgeous. That's why people are mad about Ozempic.

They're like, like that, I'm sorry. Like that's why I think women aren't further along because we're kind of fucking awful to each other too. So I just think, but it will get people to watch the show. I think it definitely will create buzz for the show. And it got his name out there. I wasn't very familiar with him. Yeah, but that's not why you want your name out there.

I think that this is like a difference of opinion between me and maybe some other people. I don't think just getting your name out there is good. I'm sure he regrets saying this stuff. I haven't really talked to him too much since all of it, but I would regret saying it. And it's actually like, to your point about the way that gay men sometimes talk about housewives

and the discourse, I think it is really important to say that there is such a thing as gay male misogyny. And I think that- I've said it. I think that- I'm glad you're recognizing it. And I'm not attaching this to Joel necessarily. I'm just saying something that I have noticed

in the casualness that gay men speak about women across the board. Looks. And yeah, all these things. A lot of looks stuff, yeah. And you know what I mean? Why we stan certain women or certain behaviors and stuff like that I'm definitely thinking about the way that you know I have spoken about some of these people like I

don't think it's cool to call women dumb I don't think it's cool to call women you know alcoholics I don't think it's I don't think it's like that's not what I like about the show either and I think it's I don't think it's like, that's not what I like about the show either. And I think it's also a symptom of like, how the shows have been rolling out, like it is getting darker, it is getting more real across the board, like there's so many lawsuits, there's prison thrown around. It's like the alcoholism gets really dark, you know, there's like when it gets a little violent, it's just like, because I think the tenor of the shows has

changed, like I miss sprinkle cookies, legit. I do want to talk about like, Robin Dixon's family fun day. You know what I mean? Like, I want to talk about like, you know, when someone talks about someone else's fashion, you know what I mean? Like, it's one thing to say, like, oh, let's talk about her interior design. And the conflict is about like, whether or not your house is ready one thing to say, like, oh, let's talk about her interior design and the conflict is about whether or not your house is ready. To me, that's Housewives.

All this other stuff, I think it's a real production issue. And I think across the board, they should really look at who's producing these shows and the way they produce them and the way they feed the masses. I get it. It feels like people want to feed on the dark stuff. I'm telling you, you don't need it. And it's going to lead to darker commentary. And people don't

always know when they're being misogynist and harmful. And I think it's something we should call out and say, because it's going to get to a place that's really just derogatory. Yeah. I mean, and I do think sometimes, you know, women always just thought, you know, gay men are our best friends, and they didn't see them as the same as a typical misogynistic straight man. But 100% it exists.

I've said it for a while now, and I kind of realized it like a year ago. I was like, oh wait, like, why are we just signing off on this? Why are we as women not calling it out and just pointing it out, just like people have pointed out everything from white privilege to whatever, where you're like, oh shit, you're right.

Like, you know, like, I think we can all like do better and still enjoy the shows and stuff. But in the defense of the producers, this is what the women are doing because it is truly their life and it is truly their romance and this DUI did truly happen, well then we would be pissed if they didn't show it either. So. This is what I'm gonna say. I think that we need more female producers on these shows. I agree.

I think that too many gay men produce these shows and I think that's just my opinion. And I'm out here, a gay man myself, and I enjoy the show, I'm a fan of these shows, but sometimes, like for example, Vanderpump Rules, I think they need a female showrunner. Yeah, that'd be great. Because I think that-

They sided with the men a lot, and they want the men to have the redemption. 100%, and it's ridiculous, and it actually resulted in something where the fans were like, fuck this show. Well, it's just like when, you know, it's just like where they were like, you know, if the show is a show of women of color, they want to have, you know, people

of color producing it because they get it, they understand. Yeah. And the same thing. If the show is all about women, like, let's have a women's perspective. One of the reasons I have talked about this since before I had Juicy Scoop, was because I saw it and I was like, oh my God, this is so relatable. I know this from being married, I know this from raising kids, I know this from being divorced, whatever, or people being divorced.

And I think that's really interesting and I think that they can be a great asset, but I think, yeah, there's gotta be, sometimes I feel it's a little bit of gay men playing with Barbies. And you're like, isn't this funny? Isn't this funny that we do this and this and this? Or look at her and her life spiraling out of control.

Yes, and isn't that, and not really thinking like, hey, this is someone's mom and this is somebody's life. And yes, they did sign up for this and all of that. But okay, well good, I love your perspective. No, I mean, and I also, I think it's like, I think it's really important because I actually think like in order for the health of the these shows to continue, you do need like a lot of different people watching it. Like, I want to be able to watch Potomac, one of my favorite shows and have like informed like dialogue about like not only the comedic stuff that happens on the show, but the real stuff that happens on the show. I think that colorism conversation

that they have really tried to tackle on that show is a really important one and I think could educate a lot of people. And so, you know, that's why I'm just like thinking about it from a different lens. It's like, we all can benefit from this stuff, but let's see our role in everything. And I think maybe the gay male misogyny

is a little bit of a response to feeling like treated like accessories or treated like we're not serious or like maybe some homophobia that comes from the part of women. But also it's just like, then let's have the conversation about that. Let's say that we feel that way. And we did have the conversation

for the first time on Juicy's Q. Yeah, here we go. And I appreciate the conversation about that. Let's say that we feel that way. And we did have the conversation for the first time on Juicers Q. Yeah, here we go. And I appreciate your opinion on that. Now, this is unfortunate. Kim Richard's sister to Kyle and Kathy has suffered with alcoholism, drug abuse. And this thing happened over the weekend.

First, Kyle was trying to get her evicted from one of the homes that she had put her in. And the story was that she was doing that as like a tough love to try to get her to get help. And then she was put on a 5150 and removed from the, from a Hilton hotel, obviously owned by, at one time owned by the Hiltons.

Yeah. So, and. It's hard. So that's what they're dealing, that's what Cathy and Kyle are dealing with. And I, you know, like Kyle's trying to get her evicted. I have always sympathized with Kyle having, you know, a sister, and in the public eye,

and having a sister that has struggled, and in the beginning, you know, that first season she was hiding it along with Kim, that Kim had a problem. And so then now it's come and listen, that's what this disease is. There are relapse, there are this and that. And I mean, I truly believe Kyle and Kathy

will like never give up on her, but they have to do it also for themselves and protect themselves. And then of course, all the comments that will happen. So hopefully she's in a safe place. Yeah, that's the thing. It's one of those things where the thing with Beverly Hills too, is it feels like we get a narrative but we don't get the full story. And that's I think something that people need to realize is it's like, you know, we've talked about

the Richard sisters for over a decade now and we're still seeing the same patterns because this is a serious problem and I really wish the best for them. I mean, my family has addicts in the family and... Most families do, unfortunately. And I think that if you don't understand how difficult it is, like another element

of it is some people just in order to do the tough love thing will just ex-communicate their family member and it feels like maybe they're grappling with whether or not that's the thing because it sounds like she tried to get her kicked out of the house. It's like they may be at the point now where it may just be a situation of them actually weighing how much they can be in each other's lives. Right. Or they're clearly all trigger each other. Or someone could have said the only way you're going to get Kim into a rehab facility is she has you know violated or whatever the agreement was. The only way you could do it is to start the eviction process now, which could take a couple months, because if you don't, she might die in your

house. Like, we don't know what the... It wasn't... It might not been that... I doubt it was Kyle being like, I'd like to get a renter in there by October, so get the fuck out, sister. I don't think that was it at all. I think it's much more complicated than that. And she was doing what she had to probably do to get her to a place of surrender, you know? Yeah. It's sad. And I think, like, again, this is gonna be one where we don't get all the facts. And I'm just assuming that the people that love her

are doing the best that they can. On a lighter note, do you think Kyle and Morgan are lovers? I think yeah, but I also think, you don't really hear about them too much anymore? Is that? Well, I just don't think there's anything to say. We see them together, they're walking around, they still haven't confirmed it.

Right. There's been little funny things that I've seen that like in comments and stuff from some of the other cast members that makes me think that we are gonna see an admission to it. See, I heard a rumor that people in the know are disappointed because they're still

being withholding about it. And that we're not gonna get as much as we want. And if we do get anything, it's because they're caught doing things and not because they're sharing things. Oh, got it, okay. That was the rumor that I heard was that it wasn't like this is gonna be Kyle's big gay season. Oh, got it. Okay. That was the rumor that I heard was that it wasn't like,

this is gonna be Kyle's big gay season. We're still not getting that. On a Delvey Got the Boot. Yeah, sure. And she was like, nothing. I don't, you know, I feel I've been, you know, used for a rating. Oh, like, shut up.

She's very entitled. Yeah, she's the worst. She's very entitled, and I think that, you know, people just didn't like that they didn't have fun with the criminality like we did. No, I think, yeah, that's, you know what it reminds me of? It's like you got more out of the announcement of that casting than the actual casting.

Yeah, exactly. I do understand, but she wasn't. Chappellrone had canceled her music festival after What was it she didn't want to so she okay, so this is what it is okay So she is she became extremely famous very fast love her songs love her music I think she's actually one of the great talents of her generation I mean like I think she's gonna be around for a very long time Yeah, and I really do believe that but because her music is so good and because she connects to her fans so much she became

Psychotically famous like within like six months. So like I remember I saw her In like April 2023 like a little bit over a year ago at the Fonda and it was like a sold-out Fonda show in Hollywood but you know it was, and it was clear there was an energy there, like it could become something. A few months later I saw her at Brooklyn Steel in New York, it was like double the size and then earlier this year I went to Coachella and I saw her perform

first Friday of Coachella and it was clear something was really happening. And then since then it's exploded, she did the tour with Livia Rodrigo, so it's become a situation that, probably the quickest rise to fame of someone like her in a while. And she basically came out and said,

in a nice way at first, I want you all to know I'm really struggling. I have depression about this. You guys, I love you guys, but you are stalking my family. You won't leave me alone. You yell at me on the street I'm new to this and I'm really trying to grapple with it

I'm grateful, but I want you to know it scares me and overwhelms me and people just couldn't let it go. Oh She's ungrateful Ungrateful bitch like that that that like fuck her. This is part of it. This is part of being famous It's like you guys it's not that she's saying she doesn't understand it's part of being famous she's just saying it is weird maybe we need to look at this system which allows you to think you have access to me in like a physical way you don't and here are my boundaries people couldn't like really let that go and it became the narrative about her then enter politics And she did a Rolling Stone article where she said

there were problems on both sides. And I think that conjured up for some people a lot of Charlottesville bullshit when the both sides bullshit Trump quote came out. And I think that they equated her to like, oh, is she like low key a Trumper? She is from the Midwest, whatever. That's clearly not the case.

She came out and said, I'm not a Trump-er, I just think there's fucked up politics on both sides, I'm voting for her, but I'm not gonna endorse her, which is different. But also, like, why do you have to say? You don't have to say, I mean, there was a, when voting began, it was to go inside and shut the curtain, and nobody knew,

and people said, don't talk about politics and religion. I don't talk about it on the show, I have not since 2016. I have a slip up here or there. But because I don't like to read the comments the next day and I don't like people infighting when the show should be an escape of comedy. So I understand with that.

But what I think is interesting is then the conversation around, you know, she doesn't wanna work hard or whatever. She's one of those Gen Zers that don't want to work. I love that, you know, we all talk about Justin Bieber, P-Diddy or not, I've told a story of when he came on Chelsea Lately and he was little, like I'm talking like 12, and he was very sick. And I was like, oh my God, he's so sick.

So what are we going to do instead of the seven minute interview? And they're like, no, a doctor's coming to give him a shot. And so when I heard that song, you know, I was sick and no one gave a shit. I was like, are they talking about that day at Chelsea? Like, I didn't think about P. Diddy. I was just like, it was pushing that child star to work.

Miley Cyrus talks about it. She's not a child star, but like you said, it came very quick. And I kind of appreciate that she's speaking about it. Also, she doesn't have to go on tour or she could go on tour less, but of course her label, that's where all the money is made. It's not in actually people going

and buying a physical record. So the actually performing is a really big deal to keep this going. So they're gonna be like, not only do the fans wanna see it, but she's probably got all this pressure from everywhere else. And so I appreciate her saying that, but I also, you know, it's just a very interesting

conversation of like when, you know, with my generation and maybe with yours where it was just like, no, you gotta take every opportunity. How could you ever give up an opportunity? Go, go, go, don't you want it? And she's just like, I don't want to get to a place where I hate it. Well, it's interesting because like,

so she's compared to Lady Gaga and Madonna. So she is very much like, it seems like the gen Z answer to the millennial Lady Gaga, and then there was like the gen X Madonna, right? So basically they all had very interesting different responses to their fame. Madonna came up in a fame landscape where you could sort of be the pinup and go away

and then come back with a reinvention. You weren't being watched 24-7. Because there's no social media like that. Right, and so she had more of an old Hollywood type of fame and she was dating Warren Beatty and all that stuff. Then enter Lady Gaga a generation later. She had like a very millennial response to fame where literally her first album was called

The Fame. She pretended to be an expert on it. She actually pretended to want to traffic in fame and all those things. And when she had a breakdown, it was very behind the scenes. And now we know from her documentaries and stuff that she was incredibly anxious about things, and it was all sort of really a facade, and she was dealing with physical manifestations

from all this and all sorts of stuff, and she, I think, is having a very Gen Z response to this. Which is she's having a very transparent, depressive episode, and she's saying it. And also learning from the previous people. Yeah, and I mean, like one thing she said is that the girls have really reached out to her and been supportive of her,

and all musicians have been rallying around her because I think they get it in a way that the fans never will. She's not just going up on stage and singing two songs and leaving. She's going up on stage and being Chappellrone. If you watch her performances, she's giving everything. She's singing up on stage and being chaperone. If you watch her performances, she's giving everything. She's singing like no one in her generation does. She's very energetic.

It's a lot. And she's out there on the festival circuit, suddenly in front of crowds of 70,000 people. Give the girl a fucking break. And just because you don't like her explanation of who she's voting for, stop demanding it of her then. No, and stop demanding of everybody. Also, I feel like if sharing your opinion hasn't worked in the past, you also have the right not to. If sharing your opinion gets you hate on the other side and that affects your mental health, then you also have the right as an artist, not a politician. But she doesn't want to do that.

She doesn't want to, and she has every right to just be like, leaving the fuck alone. Well, no, I think that's the thing, is she's not saying, leave me the fuck alone. She wanted to say her political opinion, and she did. And that's why she dug in and said it. But still, it wasn't good enough, though. That's what I'm saying. It's never, it's so.

Yeah. I think it was many things that being one of them, but that's why I also think it's an interesting conversation which we have. The problem is with the fans, that's my opinion. The problem is with the discourse and the fans, not her. And then also just getting to a place where stars have to also be like, here's my phone.

Yeah, you're right. I don't see it. So I watched the Ellen. Let me go to Ellen real quick and then we're going to wrap it up. Because Ellen did her special, it's on Netflix. And it began and I was like, okay, I'm curious. And in the beginning, it just felt a very, just very classic standup, very relatable standup stuff.

But then by the middle, I found it very interesting. To me, it was very juicy. Because she gets into what happened, how she was, you know, how all of a sudden she was the meanest woman in the world. And there's some really funny jokes in there, which I don't want to ruin it because you want to say it, but there were some really funny jokes in there from going from like what she was before to now the meanest, and then her reflecting on some of the things that she did. I did a little TikTok on my opinion.

I was reading the opinions. People don't agree with me. They're like, no, it was, you know, she did some really awful mean things. I can't really remember. I never have been on the show and I've never met her. I never worked for her, whatever. But I did think there's some profound things

that she kind of basically says that any, where anybody, myself, you on a certain level could gain some knowledge from of like, again, you should care about what people think if you fucked up, you should recognize that you can grow, but at the same time, don't get, read, don't let it affect your ability to want to live. Like the whole world hates me.

Like it is, you got to just say it's the people typing and not when you're driving around and going to Ralph's, not everybody at Ralph's is writing and typing and da da da da. And you don't have to necessarily see it. So that's what I thought of it. I don't know that she'll continue. She also said that she-

She said she won't, right? Maybe she won't, I don't know. she'll continue. She also said that she said she won't, right? Maybe she won't. I don't know. You know, she said this is it for me. Oh, all right. She said I thought she said beforehand, like, this will be my last. This is it for her. I think it was smart for her to have this legacy button on the end of a 17 year thing, which in the last year of it, it had that controversy happen that she was like so mean. And I mean, one of the funniest things that I thought was in the show,

which I thought was so where you have to have someone say it out loud because someone who's not working in television or Hollywood wouldn't understand it. And she goes, you know, I had an assistant who was scared of snakes. And she talks a little about that and how she did all the scaring things that people then look back at it and was like,

that was really fucked up, you know? And that was a whole joke and, you know, low common denominator, but that's what happens when you work on your show. You're like, this is what the boss thinks is funny. Let's all do what they want. And she goes, and having a, your own talk show is, you get into a place where you say, hey, I think we should

have a panel in my office open up so that fake snakes can go on down and scare my assistant. And when you're in that position in Hollywood, everyone goes, yeah, that's a great idea. We'll get going on that. Meaning that nobody, they're all yes men, nobody know, sick of fans, no one ever says, like, hey, like what the fuck are you doing? Because then they could lose their very coveted job, which there aren't a lot of them. If you got fired as an EP from Ellen,

it's not like Jimmy Kimmel's gonna pick you up tomorrow. Again, you've got, then you have real stink and they don't wanna piss off Ellen and take your purse person. So I think that is the stuff, and I talk a lot about in Juicy Scoop, that my audience that may not be in Hollywood are very intrigued by.

Because it's like those kind of things you're like, oh, okay, like unless you lived it, you wouldn't really know why. And I thought it was kind of good that she kind of cracked it open and said it. In her special, I haven't watched it, in her special, is she like, she talks about the scaring thing,

like this is just what we did and no one said no? Yeah, and then she's kind of like, and now that I say it. So it's their fault? No, not, it wasn't really, no, it wasn't really like that. It was a little, but it was also just like, It sounds like it was a little like that.

Now that it's a little, but she was also like, now that I say it, I realize how bad it sounds and that was a joke. And then she's also just like, I didn't go to business school, I wasn't taught to be a boss. And then I was a boss. So she's a little bit,

she wasn't saying I didn't deserve one bit of it, but she's also saying in retrospect, and then also the difference between men and women. And how she did a funny thing where it's like, you know, she goes, when I saw business meetings growing up, I always thought, you know, it was in a movie and it was like, Joel, get in my office pronto, you know, it would be like a man.

And she goes, but as a woman, you would say, hey, Joel, if you get a chance, could you come in here? I have something I want to discuss with you. When you're free, hey, Joel, if you get a chance, could you come in here? I have something I wanna discuss with you. When you're free, when you're free. And that is 100% true. That's the way I would act with someone that worked for me. And in raising men, I have a lot in my act about how now I have a much greater understanding

of the difference between men and women. And I look back at my dating and I'm like, that guy wasn't thinking about what color dress I was going to wear to prom. Like he was like, but as a girl you like, you just, you just grow and she's 66. So I think she's starting to realize like, wow, fuck. But I also did a really good show for 17 years and that shouldn't be erased either. So multitudes. I mean, the thing about Ellen is you have Ellen stories. I know people that worked for her and didn't likeitudes. I mean, and the thing about Ellen is- Do you have Ellen stories? I know people that worked for her and didn't like her. I mean, like, yeah.

But here's the thing about Hollywood. It's not against the law to be an asshole. You can be an asshole. Like, I've worked for assholes. Like, I've worked alongside assholes. Like, I hear about assholes. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, exactly, that pull a quote.

But like, it's not, you can be an asshole and run your thing. If it rises to the level of misconduct, that's one thing. Like, I think everyone's problem with her is like, there was a lot of like stuff that was asshole behavior that was rated, again, I don't have the article in front of me, but it was rooted in like some racism and like stuff like that. Like, that's the thing is it's like- That's what I kinda like don't have the article in front of me, but it was rooted in some racism and stuff like that.

Like that's the thing. That's what I kinda don't remember. Well yeah, no one really remembers. But my thing with Ellen is it's like, I think she had an opportunity to pivot to me and Ellen. Like where's Ellen's curb to your enthusiasm? For me it's like pivot to something that takes, even if it's not true,

use the opportunity you're being given here to actually, because I'm sorry, but I look at Ellen DeGeneres, I don't believe that she's the nicest person in the world. I never really did. And so my thing is like, this is now an opportunity. I don't think she has to be. But when you brand yourself as the nicest person

in the world, don't be surprised when people are like, oh, you're not. When you go out there and dance with everyone at the top of the show, and they hear that you, and it comes out later that you fucking hated doing that, that's gonna be interesting to people. And it was.

And it's about being disingenuous. And she does talk about it, and she does say some really funny things, where she's like, I ended the show with be kind. I should have just, if I would have said, if I ended every show with go fuckself, it would have worked out better. And I mean, there are certain people that have reputations and whatever,

but because the persona or the comedy that they put out wasn't all about being sweet and kind. Hers was about explicitly being kind. Being sweet and kind, yes. And so when it comes out that you're not, like, that's why it's a thing. It's not about, oh, why does Ellen have to be nice? It's Ellen marketed herself as the queen of nice.

And I think that's also a lesson to be learned. And I also think two years later, that's why she can do this. And I do think this was a good way to get it out and have a special and be with all the other comedians having specials. I don't think at 66, I mean, she looks great, but she is 66 and she's like, I have osteoporosis. I have't think at 66. I mean, she looks great, but she is 66. And she's like,

I have osteoporosis. I have OCD, you know, ADHD, and she jokes about all of those. But also I think she's 66. She's super rich. And I think she's just like, I don't want to do a curb enthuse. I'm like, I don't want to work that hard ever again, which is completely understandable. I mean, that's retirement age. She deserves to whatever she needs to do now, whatever, but if she's gonna end with this special, then we have the special to go on and it kind of sounds like she made a lot of excuses. Okay, I guess, I think, listen, it's kind of getting mixed. I liked it. That's fine if you liked it. You can like it and also acknowledge

that she made a lot of excuses. Yes, possibly, but like, I think that's easy to do when you're like, you know what I mean? When you look back at something, you're like, okay, yeah, that was, I shouldn't have done that. However, like, I just think that's kind of the thing. But I thought, I thought it was good. My only critique of it is I would have started it off

and I would have brought all that juicy stuff right to the top. And then once you've hooked them, then do the more relatable car jokes and things like that. Because I think the reason maybe some people didn't stick with it is that it starts out, she makes a couple of funny references, and then she does a solid funny bit

about driving cars and stuff. But I think because she's so famous, you're like... I mean, I remember Ricky Gervais had a great joke where he was like, you know, I don't want to have kids because I'm rich, and I don't want that little kid to, like, whatever he said. And it was just so, like, oh, my God,

I've never thought about how he's like, I'll most likely... If I had a kid, it would most likely be a drug addict, and then they'd be like, you heard about Richard Gervais? I'm just so like, oh my God, I've never thought about how he's like, I'll most likely, if I had a kid, it'd most likely be a drug addict and then they'd be like, you heard about Ricky Gervais? Like, I'm just thinking what the- Well, he puts the honest truth first. I mean, that's why Ricky Gervais is so great, is because he doesn't give a fuck.

Like, he will just say the truth. This is his perspective. This is the, exactly. This is the joke. And I will put the joke before everything else. Whereas it feels like the subject of our current conversation and a lot of people in her generation forget that. And they forget why they got there is because they were some of the best at what they did.

So my thing is just like, if you can't deal with the present, you're not going to be a part of the future. Like, find a way to make comedy about the stuff that you're talking about instead of just being like, in my day, which is what it's become. And these people don't tell jokes anymore. They don't.

That's what sucks about the state of that level of standup. It's like you watch a Netflix special now with a smart confessional thing about, oh, well you have to understand. I didn't know that everyone didn't want to be scared. It's like, okay, where is the joke here? You said it comes, which is good. No, I'm telling you, it's funny.

Matt Rogers, not only are you funny, you're a singer, I love your hot takes on so many things we talked about today. Where can they get more Matt Rogers in their life? Well, they can listen to the podcast, Last Culture Recess, out every Wednesday. That's with me and Bowen Yang. We have actually just put out an episode with Will Ferrell and Harper Steele. They have the documentary on Netflix.

Yes, awesome. Really fun episode. Cool, that's great. Yeah, we have a big segment coming up soon called the Iconic 400. We're going to be counting down the 400 most iconic figures in pop culture. And what number am I? Oh, I don't have the list in front of me. And I have my tour.

So my album is called Have You Heard of Christmas? It's a Christmas album, but it's also comedy. And I'm out there. I'm doing the Prince of Christmas tour. That's my sort of title. I don't know if you knew that. Well, I do love it. The Prince of Christmas is the best title ever. So it's based on Mariah being the queen of Christmas Tour, that's my sort of title. I don't know if you knew that. Well, I do love it. The Prince of Christmas is the best title ever.

So it's based on Mariah being the Queen of Christmas. We need it to fill out the royal court. I love that it's a Christmas thing. You look really cute. I like your outfit, your crown, your necklace. I start on December 4 in Los Angeles, and I go all the way through the month in matrodjerofficial.com.

Congratulations. You're killing it. Thank you. And it was so fun, and I'm so glad you finally got to make it to Juicy Scoop, and we'll definitely do it again. Yeah, absolutely. And that's it. Thanks, you guys.