Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - RHOBH Reunion with Newest Wife Annemarie & Hot Topics

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

I watched the “Where is Wendy Williams?” documentary and share all my emotions about it. P Diddy is sued again, this time by a man. A 90 Day Fiancé is no longer missing and Meri from Sister Wives broke up with her boyfriend. Then I’m joined by the newest RHOBH cast member, Annemarie Wiley. We get into all the hate she received from the viewers and how she managed to handle it. She shares about her marriage and being a 8.5 in her husband’s eyes. She explains her issues with each housewife and what conversations were filmed but not shown. We talk about Dorit and PK and his reaction to her PTSD after the robberies. I ran into Mauricio in Aspen! Why is Morgan Wade now dressing like Kyle? You definitely will have a different opinion about Annemarie after listening to this juicy interview. Go to https://www.PeacockTV.com/the-traitors to watch Traitors Season 2, out now, only on Peacock! New episodes drop every Thursday at 9:00 PM EST Shop Juicy Scoop Merch https://juicyscoopshop.com  Get EXTRA Juicy on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop  Follow Me on Social Media Instagram: https://www/instagram.com/heathermcdonald  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heathermcdonald  Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherMcDonald Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Juicy Scoop. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, you guys, last night I did watch most of the Wendy Williams 4 part documentary. It is really sad, but it's, let me just tell you about it. Because now I can say that in it, the family is featured and the family is basically saying, the family includes her son and her niece and nephew who all seem really lovely.

We also see her dad, her mom has since passed, her brother. She has a great family that's very supportive of her. And when she was going through these issues where she was like, well, Fargo took my money. It's my understanding that Wells Fargo thought there was something going on, too much money was coming out of her account too quickly. And they said, we think we need to protect her. So she's in Miami having fun with her family and everything, and that is when a judge came in and said, you need to have a guardian, Wendy Williams,

other than your family. So as we're watching this documentary happen, which I guess she agreed to do when she agreed to do the first documentary that took place a couple years ago, but since then, we see her and physically, her health is not good, but also she's very erratic and mean to people. Like she's getting her nails done

and all of a sudden she's really nice to the nail lady and then she's like, what are you, stupid? I told you not only to do one layer, one coat. And the girl's like, no, and she'll not remember people's names and things. And so a lot of people watching it, it's very triggering if they have someone who has dementia or Alzheimer's in their life, where their personality switched

from being nice to mean to pulling things out of the air that don't exist. And we see it. And we see this girl come into her life who is the PR person who her niece is very weary of. It's very, that all of it is very, very juicy. It's very sad to me being that I know Wendy Williams. I've worked on Wendy Williams show that if I was ever to be going through this medical issue and diagnosis because now they said she does have early dementia brought on

by her alcohol abuse, most likely. I wouldn't want this to be airing. I wouldn't want people to see me struggling. I wouldn't want people to see me being rude on camera to people when that wasn't Wendy before. And like I said, I understand this deal with souls. She agreed to let these people come in, but that's where I'm like, well, where does this guardianship who's not her family allowing this to happen? And then she doesn't get to see her family as much because

the family is in Miami. And the judge says she has to stay in New York Because that is where the court appointed guardian is and then she'll get someone into her life who's like let's sell your apartment It's just crazy and then they go on this one meeting which is so Sad where she's like we're gonna go see NBC. Oh, that's good. They're going to want to have me on. They were going to want to have and it reminds me of this, this old movie called Sunset Boulevard where this movie star thinks that they're calling her again from Hollywood and they say, come to the studio. And she's like, oh, they're going to want me back. They're going to want me back in Hollywood. And all they wanted was her old car to use for a film. They were like, oh, we know that this actress has this old car. And it's a great classic movie, but you're watching it documentary style. And you know that when these executives meet with Wendy Williams in this meeting, which they

don't film, you know, they're going to realize, wow, she is definitely not capable of handling any kind of real TV show. This is not who we're gonna put our money in. They get into, you know, a little bit what happened with Wendy Williams' show ending, however no one's speaking on that. But DJ Booth, who was part of the staff show, he does say that the staff did not know things were that bad when they were giving her all these stints of where she would take time off. That's when I was like part of the rotating guests and panels and things. It was always that they were hoping that she

would come back. They were always speaking so highly of her. And I don't think anyone knew that her drinking was that bad and that that was in fact causing the forgetfulness and the change of personality. So I just hope now that we know this, where is Wendy Williams? Now we know where she is. I hope that these family members that were featured can really just gather around her, get her the best help that she needs and hopefully she gets, you know, improves. And if she doesn't, that she is able to lead a private life at this point.

That's what I really hope, because it's really, really sad. Also, my God, there is a lawsuit, another P. Diddy lawsuit. Former male employee who was a producer and videographer is alleging that he was sexually assaulted numerous times, numerous occasions by P. Ditty, by people that P. Ditty introduced him to, by situations that this person was put into. He's suing for $30 million. And already there are

discrepancies in his lawsuits coming forth. He said that there was a guy named Stevie Jay, who was like having sex with another man and he forced him to watch that. And TMZ just reported that a gay porn star is saying, that's not, that was me. That wasn't Stevie Jay. I don't know. It's real messy. There's lots and lots of things and it's another lawsuit. This time by a male employee against P. Ditty and of course P. Ditty's attorney is saying this is just someone looking for an undeserved payday. So he's got his work cut out for him. Jennifer Lopez, I talked about the movie. This Is Me. And she said there were a bunch of cameos that she asked people to that couldn't do it. And some of the people that turned her down

were Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Jason Momoa, Jennifer Coolidge. Oh, God. I say, J-Lo, I'm sorry, I can't make it. I'd so much like to do a little funny sketch with you. Um, Lizzo Vanessa Hudgensen and Snoop Dogg all passed because they were unavailable. So I thought that was interesting. Tom Sandoval. Oh my God. The fight for this Valley Village home with Arianna is never ending. Now he is saying, I did a loan. I gave, there was a loan that he gave to Ariana for $90,000 and he wants to get that money back before he does any kind of selling of this house.

Apparently now the house is worth like three million. They bought it for a little over two and we don't know why she, if it's true or why she's holding up, but that they're going back and forth with their thing from Vanderpump Rules. I hope everybody watched me on CMZ last night. You can watch it again on Hulu. We do the whole story of Taylor and Travis and how they met. And I give, you know, my juicy scoop wisdom as always. my juicy scoop wisdom as always. But recently, just now, the dad got involved. Scott Swift is being accused of assaulting

an Australian photographer while celebrating the end of his daughter's heiress tour. So this photographer who's 51, whose last name is McDonald, no relation, I guess came too close to her. He physically pushed him away. Now the guy's coming after him. But in 2005, Nicole Kidman got a restraining order

against him. So I don't think so. But I kind of love that the dad was working and like protecting her. Oh my gosh, 90 day fiance. I know I have not talked about it a long time, but you know one of the original couples was Angela and Michael. Michael!

Angela! Michael went missing in America and they didn't know what happened. Well, according to Reality Blurb, he has been found after being reportedly missing by Angela for two months after he moved to America from Nigeria. So I was reading the comments, a lot of people think that he's going to come forward and try to say that she was abusive or something because then he can still get his green card and get everything he needs and get the hell away from her.

It's no surprise that this couple isn't happily in love, but they were one of the original 90 day fiance people and I found it to be kind of funny. Sister Wives, Mary, she had that boyfriend for four months, no longer, they're broken up. So, Kim Kardashian's getting some key because as you know, she's trying to be a lawyer still, I guess, and she posted the wrong man. She posted just a normal guy living in New York saying,

everyone needs to gather around and get this guy out of jail. He's innocent. But this guy was not in jail at all. She posted the wrong name, the wrong photo. So I don't know who's working for her, but maybe she has to actually hire a real law clerk to help her with her social media that involves lawyer things. Maybe she can't just get, whoever did this needs to go back

and refold the G-string Bayes skim underwear instead of doing this, cause she screwed up. All right, the latest in the Brandy Glanville saga of Real Housewives of Bravo, Real Housewives of Everything involving Andy Cohen, she has Mark Garagos as a top notch attorney, who at one time represented Scott Peterson. Yes. Anyway, he has representing her saying

that she was in fact sexually harassed by Andy Cohen on an occasion where they did a FaceTime call and he was talking about having sex with brava celebrities and he called her. He immediately did a post saying, this was a joking thing I did with Brandy Glanville. I was with Kate Chestain, also a Bravo celebrity. However, totally inappropriate, I apologize.

She then has come out and said, I still have not received any apology from you. You doing a post is not an apology to me. Now, as we know, Brandy Glanville is named in a lawsuit of Caroline Manzo against Bravo. She's not suing Brandi. She's saying that Bravo and Bravo producers have allowed Brandi to act in this behavior, keeping her on shows for years and years and years when she's behaved bad, grabbed at people, acted, inebriated.

They've allowed it to happen. They've allowed it to happen, they've encouraged it to happen, and therefore they are responsible for Caroline Manzo being a victim of sexual assault. Meanwhile in the Caroline Manzo world, her brother-in-law, who was married to her actual biological sister, Dina, they got divorced and then Dina and her new husband

were attacked in Dina's home. They believe that Dina's ex-husband, who was also brother-in-law to Caroline Manzo, so get it, the two sisters married two brothers, was responsible for hiring the man that came in and physically attacked Dina Manzo and her new husband. This caused a lot of problems with people in this world because they were writing letters

defending Dina Manzo's ex-husband. Anyway, the judge has dismissed the case. So Caroline Manzo's brother-in-law, Dina Manzo's ex-husband will no longer be facing any kind of trial or anything where they thought that he set up the plan for these people to be attacked. So that was a big win for the Manzo family, not for Dina. But that's lots of drama there on the juicy world. Also Brielle got engaged.

Yes, Brielle is engaged. That is Kim Zolziak's daughter and Troy's stepdaughter. She is engaged at 24 years old to a very cute looking guy. All right, everybody, go to heathermcdonald.net. You're going to join my Patreon. But also, that is where all my dates are. And I have new dates coming out. And I can't announce yet, but there'll be a new date

in Florida coming in March. So you're gonna wanna go to that in April. All of the dates are there at heathermcdoll.net along with joining my juicy Patreon every Friday and so much more. All right, and now for a super juicy interview. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited because I have been wondering

what your life has been like for the last few months. I am with newest Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Anna Marie Wiley. Thank you for having me. I have been talking about it because, you know, being a big fan of Housewives and also knowing how it works, seeing how it's changed over the years with social media and how you, you know, if you were on this show as a new member, season two of OC, and you would never know how all these very vocal fans feel about you as each episode airs.

That is very correct. I will definitely say one of the most challenging things to navigate has been social media because prior to this I was a very private person. You are married, you're a mom of three. So I have four children, so I have a stepdaughter that's 24, my son is eight, and then I have two girls that are five and almost four. Okay, great. So very, very busy, our house is like, you know, constant chaos. I also work part-time, I'm a nurse anesthesiologist

and I'm married. My husband and I will be married for 10 years this year. He is a former NFL player and current broadcaster. So that's why, you know, I'm used to being around all the things. Some media and all that. Him being famous, people approaching him at restaurants and things like that. Yes, exactly.

How did you guys meet again? We met at a birthday party, actually. Yeah, with like, it was one of his former teammates and it was at a club in Hollywood. And I went with a mutual friend and we hit it off that night and we were literally inseparable. Like we were engaged within nine months. Everything happened like very fast and I was a resident at the time so we waited until I was done school and then we got married right away after and then got pregnant with our first child three months later. All right, let's talk traitors. I mean, Phaedra, I don't know if she's going to be nominated for an Emmy, but she should.

She is the OG traitor. She's the only one left, but she brings on Kate. And Kate had played the previous season, so she's funny and she's dry, and the two of them together, they decide to kill Kevin because they feel like he's won't, by killing him, it's not too suspicious. It's not like killing Peter, Peter the pilot, but he is one of the people that Peter has kind of formed an alliance with. So they want to break up that alliance.

So they come to breakfast and they all have to act surprised. Oh, poor Kevin. He's gone. So everyone's kind of looking around and Peter's like, he's kind of feeling like, oh, shit, you know, things are not going great for me. So they go out to do their next channel challenge, which is they have these like little stained glass windows with all their names and they have to do like a bow and arrow kind of a shooting thing. And it's really hard. Now, even for like athletic people, It's like, are you good at this or not? So they're trying to hit each other's squares with their names

on it and whoever's the last one standing gets the shield and cannot be kicked out at the round table. So they're doing all that and Phaedra is going on and she's like, I'm going to pick this person because I don't think they need the shield. And then she says, oh wait, I realize if you just go upward, like to the right or to the left, it's really easy after someone failed to go through to like learn, okay, now I know exactly if I just turn a little to the left,

I'm gonna be able to hit this one. Well, after she does that, and they realize that's a pattern that works, she goes out of her way and goes like down and around to kill, to break the glass of Trichelle. So then they're like, wait a minute, that makes us think Phadra is a traitor again, because why, she wasn't just doing it to like get the most out, she was doing a strategic thing to make sure that Trishelle doesn't have the shield because maybe she wants to get rid of Trishelle

because Trishelle's a really good player and part of the Peter plan. So they get back and again, Peter is like, I know it's Phaedra, I know it's Phaedra. No one's really suspecting Kate at all. And Phaedra knows that. So she's like, I'm telling you guys. I think it's Peter I think Peter is the one and

Just trying to put it out there and people like mmm. Maybe maybe he is that is weird They do think this other girl Sondra might be a Trader as well, but it doesn't happen much So they get around the round table and John who's the English guy from Parliament He goes straight in for Phaedra and he's like, I think it's you for all these reasons and he just lays it out on the line and she's like, really? You think so? And she comes back and that is where I'm like, she is so great.

And then she turns around and she's like, I think it's Peter. I think it's Peter because he has always having these secret meetings with everybody and he is telling people not to enter a room and have private conversations. And he's like, well, that's what we're supposed to do when you're playing the game. She's like, yeah, when you're playing the game and you're a trader.

So he is like, look, I have all the evidence of why I'm not a trader, but she has convinced her group of people enough and oh, and there is this moment where they're like, do we really have a Bravo Alliance? And MJ's like, look, my eyes are open. I don't know a Bravo Alliance with Fader or anything. Comes down to four people for,

I think it's half and half and the deciding vote, half are for Fader, half are for Peter to kick that person out, who they think they're both the traitors. And it comes down to MJ from Shaw's of Sunset. She is to give the final vote. And that is where we leave off. So get into it. Watch on Pe as being, you know, a nurse. No, is I, everyone says I'm saying it wrong. Aren't you a nurse of anesthesiology or no?

What is the proper name of it? Let me explain. Okay. This is where it gets so, and rightfully so. It's complicated for people, right? Because if you have never heard of us before, and the title has actually recently changed as of three years ago.

So I graduated from anesthesia in 2013, and I have a master's degree, and our title at that time was Nurse Anesthetist. Our professional association, the American Association of Nurse Anesthesiology in 2020, changed our professional title from Nurse Anesthetist to Nurse Anesthesiologist. Okay. Yes. So you have physician anesthesiologists that are MDs that practice anesthesia, and you have nurse anesthesiologists that are RNs that practice anesthesia. Now can you put someone completely under general as well as a nurse? That is what I do.

Oh, okay. Yeah, so I am a registered nurse. And do you do private practice like for plastic surgery or at ER centers or wherever? We practice everywhere. Everywhere and anywhere that anesthesia is needed, that is where we practice. We do general, monitored anesthesia care,

regional anesthesia, OB anesthesia. Have you always worked at least part time in your profession while being a mom? Yeah, so I used to work at a very large major hospital in Los Angeles before we started having kids. And then once we had our first, you know, I just, I wanted to make sure that I had that work-life balance that I really craved and that I was really able to be there for my family. So then I started working at surgery centers and working for myself.

And so that's why I'm able to work part-time now and be a mom and be there for my husband. And they're gonna run my household. So you're having your busy life, your mom life, your wifey life, your nurse life. Yes. What was your relationship with housewives? Were you someone who watched it?

Did you enjoy it? What was your relationship before you were approached? So let me say this, I don't watch TV. Like I do not watch, I've watched TV in years. Like I just, I just don't have time. Like I'm a very, very busy person. I have such a crazy life. I go to bed at like eight o'clock.

Okay. Cause I wake up at 430 in the morning to work out. I have such a crazy life. I go to bed at like eight o'clock. Okay. Cause I wake up at 430 in the morning to work out. So I do not watch TV. But I used to watch it, I want to say the first maybe like six seasons or so. So like, yes. That really helps. So like this is before I married,

before I had kids and everything I used to watch it. But then, you know, I haven't watched it in however many years that is now. And then, so when we moved into our current house about two and a half years ago. And that house is in an area of the valley, which is in Sino, very, very nice, but very close to where Dorit and Kyle live. So it makes sense that, you know, that you guys could be friendly. Yes.

Okay. So go on. So we move into our house, and we bought our home through the agency, Mauricio's. Oh, OK. Yeah, Mauricio's company. And then a few months later, they had, I guess, like a VIP party at their house. For like their best clients, sort of.

Yeah. Exactly. So as we're looking, and you know, we're running around town doing the holiday party gamut, and we look at the invitation, and we're like, oh, that's on our street. We're like, yeah, let's go pop in. So we went and they thought my husband was hilarious because he is, he's such a character.

And so, you know, we just like kind of all hit it off and then, and then that was it. Because this is nothing that had ever been on my radar. Like I said, I was very happy being a private person. You know, and also like we have a lot of like famous friends and things like that and it was just never something that I really saw for myself. My husband, he's like, you know what, why not? He's like, it's something for you. He's been telling me for years, he's like,

you're such like a multi-dimensional person. Like you're a multi hyphenate, you do so many things. He's like, you should do a blog, a podcast, something. And so he's like, you know what? Go have fun, go do this. It's something for you. You can use the platform to do what you wanna do with it, which is ultimately to inspire people.

And so I was like, you know what, why not? And I'm kind of just at a point in my life, like I'm 41. I'm like, say yes. You know what I mean? Like try new things. So you meet them and what's the initial meaning? Do they come to your house or is it over the phone or what? I mean, Alex called me, I talked to him for a while

and then casting called me immediately right after that. I've heard it's a really extensive process, like eight months and tons of women. I think every season is kind of different. You know, they always would rather have something that makes sense. And I think if they find it, like any casting, like when I used to audition for things,

I'd always feel like they were against me. And I'm like, no, they want their job to end. Like they want it to be simple. They want it to be simple. So if they find someone and they must have thought that it would be a good natural fit. And I know that it makes sense that they want people younger, with younger kids.

And with families. Because as time goes on, you want, you know, when you think about when Kyle started, Portia was like in a crib. And now she's 16. So like, all the housewives, when they started back, were early 40s. And so I do think that's kind of a good age,

because if someone wants to do it for a long time, we can really like see them grow. You want to see them grow, exactly. Yeah, and so, okay, so you meet everybody and like what's your initial thought? Was it weird to have cameras? Was it weird not to look at the camera? And because some people say right away,

you ignore the cameras, my kid didn't notice the cameras, all of that. No, I mean, I wouldn't say it was weird. And for a couple of reasons. Like number one, I'm a people person. Like I love people. That's just me. I feel like I can honestly be friends with anybody.

There are a few exceptions, which I'm sure we'll get into. But I can get along with anybody. I just love people. And again, because I'm so used to being around those things, you know, like, you know, going into the studio with my husband or going into, onto set with friends or whatever it is. I'm just, so it wasn't, it wasn't weird

except for that it was now about me. But I was, you know, I wasn't worried about the cameras being there. You know, they're kind of off in the distance anyway. And I was really just interested in getting to know people, you know? And it's so funny you see that little snippet of Crystal saying, she's that bitch is nosy.

And I'm like, Crystal, we were texting in the car outside, number one. And number two, how do you get to know people? I get to know people by asking questions about them, right? Let's talk about the Crystal moment. Okay. So there's a moment, a few episodes back when you're in Spain.

Yes. And you're in in Spain. Yes, and you and Crystal had issues and Why do you think you had the issues because you were questioning the whole esophagus thing with and for people that don't know so Sutton It was Kylie brought it up. Kyle's up because she's feeling like she's on the attack This is before she's come forward that she and Mauricio are having serious issues, but everybody around is like seeing something going on.

And so she kind of goes after Sutton at the dinner party and is like, why are you bringing up the fact that I don't have a ring on? You don't even eat. You move your food around. Right. And then the conversation starts as women who don't have cameras around would discuss and be like, what is up with that? So you give your opinion that you don't believe it's a tiny esoph, like explain. So let me explain that.

I'm not going to explain. So this is, oh heavens, oh here we go. So yes, you just explained how it was presented to me. Right. Kyle is the one who presented it that way. She said that Sutton doesn't eat and pushes her food around her plate and uses that as an excuse for that.

So that was how this was initially presented to me. And my only point in all of this was that there needed to be an underlying condition causing a narrow esophagus. That's it. I never, I did not say that I wasn't questioning whether she had one or not. I literally was just saying, because think about it like this, okay. Say you have a newborn and your newborn is born with a small esophagus.

What do you think would happen? I don't know. I do you think would happen? I don't know. I mean, I would go to the doctor. They wouldn't be able to eat. Right. Or you'd need like a food feeding tube, I guess, right? You would probably need surgery.

Like, you wouldn't be able to eat. All I'm saying is that, like, I was literally just saying, wondering, asking her what the underlying condition was that caused that to happen. That was it. Yeah. That's it? OK. was that caused that to happen. That was it. Yeah. That was it?

Okay, so now here, so of course editing is a tiny percent. We see a tiny percent of what you guys film. And I'm guessing you probably had some really funny times with your husband, probably some cute times with your kids. What we saw was you in every situation, bringing it up again about Sutton's tiny esophagus. That is correct. The audience knows how these shows work.

They want, they believe the audience enjoys a show more if there's conflict than you're doing a legit charity event. And that's just the case, okay? So we start seeing this and so I kind of really felt for you because I'm like this is all they're showing and there's a good chance that they're saying okay you know Anna Marie when you go in they're saying that you're not qualified to say what you're saying and so then you want to go defend yourself that's what I'm assuming stuff like that happened and then then you now have footage of you constantly bringing up the esophagus. There was a lot of disrespect of nurses happening.

My profession was constantly being diminished. Versus like you're not a doctor. Right. And let's talk about that too. Because nurse anesthesiologists are doctors. I have a master's degree because that's what my requirement was of my program when I graduated 11 years ago, but 10% of CRNAs are doctors. They are doctorate trained and as of next year every single CRNA that graduates has a doctorate degree. So we are doctors. Physician anesthesiologists own the

title physician. They do not own the title anesthesiologists own the title physician. They do not own the title anesthesiologist. And that is where a lot of the political debate comes in because there is such a political history between the ASA, the American Society of Anesthesiologists, and the AA&A, the American Association of Nurse Anesthesiology. Especially when our title changed to Nurse Anesthesiologist, they don't like that. It's like a turf war.

Okay, got it. And so I'm at the brunt of this turf war because Crystal decided to say that I misrepresented my title, whereas she actually doesn't even know all of this background information. She just wanted to say that. And so when you guys start,

so she also said in Spain, or you said, you guys hung out prior to filming or when filming wasn't happening and then she gave you the scoop on everybody is what you said. Yeah, so we have mutual friends and I met her. Not the 14 that she's no longer friends with. But I, but I, I know that too, because I know those people as well.

Okay. People. Um, do you know why that, why that French offended? Yes, I do. Can you share or no? I mean, let's just say that it goes back to her, okay, what she says about the ladies, which we're going to talk about, the thing about her 14 friends, and now this thing with me misrepresenting her title, which are misrepresenting my title, which isn't

that so convenient that she needed a storyline this year. She needed something to talk about. She was talking about her brother. She was talking, that was her storyline this year. Yeah, I to talk about. She was talking about her brother. She was, that was her storyline this year. Yeah, I don't think people were that interested in the brother. She was talking about her brother. So she knew she needed to bring it this year. So she did what she does,

which is unfortunately not be truthful. So... Okay, so, so I mean, I kind of loved that moment at the table in Spain. Okay, okay, I mean, I kind of loved that moment at the table in Spain. Okay, okay, so yes, sorry. In Spain because what I loved it is because you were like, you said it and all their faces where you said it, you're like, I made you relevant, meaning relevant on, we're on a show.

We're on a show. And more and more, like I've been begging for them to break the fourth wall on occasion, show the fact that you have an opportunity because of housewives bring up Bravo con so and slowly each Franchises starting to do it and I think the franchises are benefit betting fitting from it because the audience is so sophisticated because they've been watching for 15 Yeah, so when you said that I thought that was pretty interesting, but what you also said was Look what you should talk to this group and said that they weren't intelligent. And then they go back and show a clip of her giving an interview where she said the exact thing that you said.

Yeah, oh, and fourth wall is a whole other situation. I goodness, I wish I knew that I could have broken fourth wall. But yeah, so when I met her, it was, I think, the same week that I met Kyle at a holiday party of a mutual friend of ours. And I'm like, what do you do a mutual friend of ours and I'm like, what do you do? And she's like, I'm a housewife. She really did lead with that. She- Meaning I'm a real housewife.

Yeah, like I'm on a show. Yeah. Like I'm a housewife. No, not in real life. Like in real life. Like I'm a housewife. And I was like, oh, interesting. And then, you know, you go into the natural question of like, oh, is it fun? Do you guys actually hang out? Like, you know, the same questions I get for people now. And this is before you were hired. Oh, this is three months before this was even a thing. Oh you know, the same questions I get for people now. And this is before you were hired. Oh, this is three months before this would be even a thing. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I get it, because people ask me

about all the time now, too. So I ask her that. And I don't think there's anything wrong. Like, I remember real half size of New York when Bethany was going after Carol, which you don't want to talk about, because you didn't want. But she was ripping on Carol for not having a career or something.

And Carol's like, we have the same job. Yeah, the main job is housewife. Now you really have a whole nother job. And there are a couple other housewives that really, at least a Vanderpump is a restaurant error. But you know, like there are people that have real legit other things going. But for most people, this is a pretty big job.

It's a huge platform. And there's nothing to be ashamed of to act like it's, yeah. Absolutely not. And I'm not even saying it in that way. It's just she said it in a way of it was pretentious. That's all I'm saying. It wasn't like, I do this and I'm holding esteem from it for anything other than I'm being pretentious about it.

That was how it was presented to me. So then she said, what do you do? And I said, I'm a nurse anesthetist. And she looked at me puzzled, which every 90% of people do, unless they are in healthcare and they have heard of a CRNA before. And then I said, I do anesthesia.

And then she's looking at me puzzled and I said, I do anesthesia. And then she said, oh, my sister is an anesthesiologist. And I was like, oh, okay, great. I'm a CRNA, then she'll know what I do. Like, because you clearly didn't, she will know. And when people say they're in healthcare or they're in anesthesia, then it's like,

we kind of have that bond. Like, you're gonna know what I do. Anyway, but that's what she decided to say, well, no, you called yourself an anesthesiologist, which it's funny because also now looking back at it, I'm yourself an anesthesiologist, which it's funny because also now looking back at it I'm a nurse anesthesiologist like it's you know, like it just even her saying that There's really nothing wrong with saying that like to be honest like to be to be a viewer It it was too much about this job of yours

It was what they shared you they had you talking about it too much in defending it and wondering about the sudden thing. They had her asking too much and wondering about it. It's like, it just, listen, most people felt there wasn't, I felt the season was great. I liked, I never will stop watching the show. And I'm like, sometimes there just isn't that much going on in people's lives.

Of course, a lot going in Kyle's and stuff, but not much going on in Garcels. I have teenage boys, one has a girlfriend, one does it. There isn't that much, and there's nothing wrong with that. She's still interesting and exciting. I feel like there's gotten to this place where the audience is so awful that it's like, what's your storyline? You better get a medical diagnosis where you're going to have to like be really sick,

have a kid go through something bad, have a bankruptcy, a robbery, or a divorce happen, or you don't deserve to be on the show. It's like, what do you want? The funny thing though is I had so much going on in my life last year when we were filming. Like in general, I have a very full,

very big, very, very busy life. I have three hysterical kids, like a comedic husband. I work, we have a foundation. I'm a former collegiate basketball player. I work out every day at 4.30 a.m. I have a very big, very full life. And shortly after we started filming, my mother was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. She told me on camera. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. How is she doing?

She passed three months later. Oh my God, I'm so, so sorry. Thank you. So that's what I was actually dealing with while we were filming. My mom's stage four lung cancer diagnosis. So, you know, and it was, there was a time when, you know, I talked to Kyle about it a bit because I knew that she'd understand because of her mom. And then there was a time when I tried to talk to Sutton about it and she threw it back in my face. And then it was after time when I tried to talk to Sutton about it and she threw it back in my face.

And then it was after Sutton did that, she was, you know, she kind of was like, you're just using that as an excuse. And I was like, and that's when I shut down. And I was like, I'm not going to talk to these girls about it anymore because it was so painful. Yeah. It was so painful. But that's what I was actually dealing with while we were filming. Not, I don't care about sons and stuff, I guess.

Like, I cared about my family, my mother, all the things I was going through. And then when we were in Spain at the paella dinner, I was also adopted when I was born. Oh, like, yeah, I didn't know that. I'm half Dutch, half Nigerian. I'm from a small farm town in Canada. When I... Were you adopted at town in Canada. When I- Were you adopted at birth? Yes, so I was adopted at birth.

Did you ever find your- I'll tell you. Yeah, so Nigerian father, Dutch mother, they put me up for adoption on his board. I've never met them. And I was adopted two weeks later by an Indonesian family. So I was raised in an Asian household. In America?

In a small farm town in Canada. Oh in Canada, okay, yeah, and Oh my god, about the birth family finding the birth. Yes. So when we were in Spain Let actually let me backtrack and give it some context first. Yeah, so when we actually moved to our Current house the one that we bought through the agency, I went through what I found out is adoption trauma. I didn't know what that was. I had never heard of it before. I was depressed for six months. I cried every single day.

It was the most traumatic experience of my life. And somebody hearing that, you'd say, you moved houses, get it together. Like that is not a thing No, no, oh wait. So wait when you were moving it like triggered something it triggered and when did you oh? So do you always knew growing up that you were adopted always because you didn't look like the family that adopted correct and Did they what was the story they told you? Oh, I mean, I have known for as long as I can remember. Like you're the luckiest one everyone wants.

My mom would always say, adopted kids are the luckiest kids in the world because everybody wants them. So I always thought that's beautiful and that's the way they should be told. Yes. So when did you ever, so then at a certain point,

did you try to find your parents? No, no, I didn't. And my older sister who is half Filipino, she was also adopted. She's three years older than me. And, you know, I think it was because she didn't really care to find her birth family. And, you know.

So you just sort of followed suit. I kind of followed, like, my older sister, I look up to her and I'm like, oh, she doesn't mind. I don't, I don't, I'm fine too. You know, and our family was, we had this massive family. I have like 30 something cousins beautiful loving amazing Indonesian family like I was so loved growing up and my mom always said Like we chose you like we wanted you so much that we chose you so I grew up with so much love so now This situation I want to move to this new house. I'm excited about moving to this new house I'm an active participant in this new house. But as soon as it happens,

it triggers this depression in me because I feel like I have been ripped from my stability. And the separation and this feeling of abandonment was, it was overwhelming. So then I learned what it often was. So yeah, oh yeah, so much therapy, so much therapy. It was really, really devastating. So anyway, so now we're-

At the pie agenda. At the pie agenda, I'm talking to Erica and Dorit. And Erica was talking about working in an orphanage and holding babies, you know, because they need that physical touch. And then we got into me being adopted. And I told them the story of, so I have a friend who lives in a gated community here in Los Angeles and the gentleman that works security at the gate, he's from the Congo.

And so I'm chatting with him, this is sometime early last year, and he's like, sister, where are you from? And I said, oh, I'm half Nigerian. And he's like, have you been? And I said, no, I don't know my biological parents. I've never been there before. And he said, you don't know them. And he said, is your dad Nigerian? And I said, yes. And he's like, you need to find him. He said, Nigerian men don't leave their babies. He doesn't know you exist. So I told this to Erica Derrit and just lost it. Yeah, lost it. Because it, you. Because it's that adoption trauma

that is now manifesting in my life as a 41 year old mother with four children. So these are the things that I struggle with. And were they welcoming of that story? Oh, absolutely. They were so supportive. They were so supportive. Yeah.

Wow. Okay, now the other thing that you got, that people were like, what is your honesty about how you said, that your husband said, you're an eight and a half at everything. You're an eight and a half in looks, you're an eight and a half in sports,

you're an eight and a half in intelligence, decorating. And people were like, am I that, am I? As they're sitting at home by themselves. And my man said that to me. And I'm always like, that they're sitting at home by themselves, if my man said that to me. And I'm always like, that's the thing. I'm like, we're stepping into someone else's home in their marriage and every marriage has their own dynamic.

And the thing that women say more than anything is, well, I wouldn't put up with that. Well, no one's asking you to put up with it. And you guys have your understanding and you thought it was funny. And you thought it was like, yeah, I mean, look, I know I'm not a 10 supermodel in looks. And you know, my husband's never been like, you're the best looking person that's ever walked on the earth. He's never said it. Yeah. So does that mean I shouldn't? So do you want somebody? I thought there was nothing wrong with it. So many parts to it. And I was like, I would,

the way we talk about our husbands, never like we demand that every guy is like, you're the greatest thing, but we'll, I mean, even as a female comic, a female comic can speak about their husbands so much harsher and the women and the men laugh. But if a guy gets up there and says the things that we say, it's like, he's awful, da, da, da, da. So anyway, I thought that was interesting, but I a guy gets up there and says the things that we say, it's like, he's awful. Yeah.

So anyway, I thought that was interesting, but I knowing the audience so well, I was like, Oh God, please. And I would have no idea because I, you know, I'm coming into this Heather open book. I'm like, so bright eyed, bushy tailed, open book. I have nothing to hide. I'm like, this is my life. Welcome. You know, and like, I get, you know, what people didn't see and don't understand is like, my husband is my person.

Like we are best friends. Like we can joke about everything and anything. And so two parts to that. Number one, I was an athlete, right? And so my coach is never gonna be like, Annemarie, you're perfect. It's just not gonna happen. I don't expect perfection in my life.

I'm always striving for better. That's just the way I operate. That's one of the things I love about my husband. He pushes me to be better. I push him to be better. That's how we work, right? As athletes, too. Absolutely. So I would never, I would never expect to be a 10. And then he said, he was like, you totally butchered that and whatever. He's like, I didn't say, he's like, I didn't love the response either. Well, he doesn't care. He's like, whatever. He doesn't's like whatever. He doesn't internalize things. Good, you don't want them to care.

He doesn't internalize things. He's been doing this for too long. But he was like, you butchered it. He said, I didn't say you were an eight and a half at everything. He said, average. You're an eight and a half average. And so he's like, yes, looks and body and brains.

You're, he's like all the things that women hear. Okay, so you're a ten in the sack. You're a ten in the thing. I'm a ten in the sack. I'm a ten in looks, 10 in brain, 10 in athletics. Oh, two, so there you go. I'm a two at cooking. I have, I'm so type A and like super OCD,

those are my twos, cause he hates when I stress. So he's like, those are your twos that like even everything out. Got it. So, and whatever, I got it wrong, but also I don't need to be a 10. Like I'm not a 10. And this is another thing too,

you know you'll never hear at the Wiley household, honey, does this look bad on me? Do I look fat? Does this look good? Because if it looks bad, he will have already told me. And I never have to think, is he lying? Because I know he's gonna tell me the truth. Right?

How many times do people like leave the house and like, oh, I feel so subconscious. Honey, you're just lying. You're just saying that. Never gonna wonder if my husband's just saying that. I have the thing where they don't, and I have two boys that are 18 and 21 now, they never say anything about my outfit

unless it isn't okay. Oh no, I'm like, tell me. And then, no, then they will say it. I'm saying it, they're not, I don't walk down and they're like, whoa saying it. They're not, they're not, I don't walk down and everyone they're like, whoa, mom. They're just like, used to see me get glam not myself, whatever. But sometimes they'll be like, like, I remember when I wore this hat and this like coat, because you know how I was wearing like long coats? And I was like, why are you dressed like a detective? And I was like, oh my God. So those are the only times when it like seems goofy that I, anyway, so let's get into, so this is you at the reunion.

I love this blue. Thank you. Did you have a hard time choosing your outfit? Oh, for heaven's sakes. Yes. I mean, your dress? Yeah, it is a process. It is a process. Do they tell you that you have to choose this color? No, it wasn't a color, it was a theme.

So we were given a theme. And then, but I, you know, I guess they're going for some kind of like cohesion with everything, right? No, it wasn't a color. It was a theme. So we were given a theme and then But I you know, I guess they're going for some kind of like cohesion with everything right so So it's a lot of like back and forth during this process But for me, I was like, you know what I want to wear a bright fun color I want to wear something that's comfortable because sorry comfort first on that person. I always think Okay, first of all, this is why your dress is really a good choice. The color. Thank you.

I always think a long dress, but with a slit. Yeah. So you show the leg, but you're not having a short dress where you might get a squirt of like cellulite or something happening. Or just fidgeting at the same time. It's a long day. You also have it nipped in the waist.

So even the tiniest waist can be cinched in. Chall be challenging on a couch if it's like a super plain silk or something not good. And so yeah, I thought it was a great choice. Thank you. Now, so you can't tell us what happens on the reunion, but with Sutton, I mean, are you, do you think you can move past and be okay?

Oh, absolutely. Okay, good. Cause I think she's a character and fun. I think she's perfect for the show. I don't need to see any more fake dates, my personal opinion. I don't need to see the casting people whip out these guys that were trying to be actors from,

from, you know, their last gig was on Million Dollar Matchmaker in 2011. I don't need to see that. Let it be. Just let her be her like quirky self. You know, my husband was on that show. Million Dollar Matchmaker. Oh my God. Wait, I have to pat you way back in the day. They're re-airing now on Netflix. Oh, no, I didn't know.

Like the old episode. Yes. Oh my gosh. I'm dead. We have to patty way back in the day. It's their re-airing now on Netflix. Oh, you're kidding. Oh, no, I didn't know. Like the old episode? Yes. Oh my gosh, I'm dead. That is so funny. We have to look it up. Oh my God, that is so funny. We have to look it up. This was obviously before me, way before me.

Yes. Yeah, that's so funny. Because I was so entertained by that show. Yeah. And now she's coming back with a new one. Oh my God. Crystal, we already talked about by like her dress. Erica, now.

Love that dress. Did you, obviously coming in, you must have known about Erica's LA Times article. Yeah. Which was the only one that read it. But I'm confident that you'd probably be able to read the whole thing yourself as well. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Being that you've read a lot of medical books, I think you could get it through the LA article. I'm an avid reader, yes. How did you feel going in? I feel like she really had a great season. I think she redeemed herself. I think people have changed their minds

about what is really expected of her as a wife of someone who deceived a bunch of people. Yeah. And I thought she came off so likable and really wonderful when she talked to Kyle in the last episode when she came over and was like, this is your marriage. And all the advice she gave was absolutely just on point. So like there you can tell they have a real friendship, but you also she was just she was

that friend that's been through it. And I thought that was really great on the part. Yeah. So I, you know really great on her part. Yeah. So I, you know, didn't know the old Erica. I've only known this Erica. And she has been amazing to me. She's been so supportive. And one thing that I think really makes the two of us

get along is that she's very, no nonsense. Like she's just honest and real. And she'll tell you how it is similar to my husband, right? Yeah, like how he's gonna tell me how it is I gravitate towards people like that because those are the people that you know you can trust Don't tell me what you think I want to hear tell me the real and she does that and I really appreciate that for her Yeah, she was I love her. She's so supportive. She's been great. Yes. So that's great, but you haven't seen the show yet You didn't go to the Las Vegas residency. So when I wanted to, but that's I was in Canada a lot with my mom, because like I said, after

she got diagnosed, it was only three months until she passed. So I was in Canada. Oh, okay. And, um, well, I mean, hopefully with the show coming out, I think it's March 6 or 9th. Um, she has a two episode spin-off. I love stuff like that. And you know, hopefully she'll be able to do more good for her. How did you get along with Garcelle? I felt like you guys really didn't have much one-on-one time, at least we didn't see it.

Yeah, we actually filmed a really fun afternoon. She came over to my house and we had this amazing talk, this awesome heart to heart. We bonded over so many things. We're actually, we have a lot in common, like in terms of our, you know, just our past and like our entry into American life, Los Angeles life in particular. So we really bonded over a lot of things. And, you know, with being the two black women on the cast, there are certain things that, you know,

only we're gonna kind of understand and we need to lean on each other for those things and in those kinds of instances. So, no Garcione, I got along great. Yeah, good. I've known her for years and she's really nice. Doreet, a lot of people were freaked out by this outfit. They were like, is this the house of Dubai? What's happening?

I like that she, I think her style and all that shit is fun. Did you like, was this the first time you saw it when you guys filmed it? Yes, this was the first time I saw it. And you know what? Like, hang on a bun? How did it stay?

It was like clipped in. Oh, okay. It was like clipped in over here in the top. For people not watching this, she has like a really nice beautiful red dress that then has like a hood situation happening. Yeah, you know what though, this is Doree, right? She's always gonna push those fashion boundaries

and bring something new and fresh and give you that wow, and she did it, right? We're talking about it. So in the last episode, she, you know, is talking to PK. He's extended his trip to London 39 days. And she's being very honest of like, I don't know that we're gonna be together forever. And so a lot of people are talking about that.

And a lot of people, that's what the show is, is people like watching these marriages because the majority of audience members are married women, divorced women, whatever, and we've been through it, our friends, and we like to give our opinion. And so my opinion is it's not great, it's not great, and I just I think when they did the Pretty Woman thing and he said, which in which he set up the whole evening of pretty woman, which by the way, I went as pretty woman in the red dress

with the white gloves to Adrian Maluse Halloween party and she was there and we talked. And then after that, they did the pretty woman thing. That is so funny. You don't think she may maybe got the idea for me? I mean, well, we filmed this much before that. We filmed it much before that. No Halloween of last year.

Oh, I mean. It's a great idea. It's so flattering. But it was P.K.'s idea. Oh, right. Okay, fine. But I think, granted, it's filming for the show and all that stuff.

But I think he was kind of like, I think what happens sometimes, and I've talked about this with marriages, there's like significant age difference. I don't know if it's 20 years, it's like at least 15, 16. Wait, between those two? Yeah. Really? He's like 58 and she's like 40.

I didn't realize that. What do you mean? Really? No, I didn't realize that they had an age gap like that. She's the second wife. Yes, correct. And I think sometimes when you have an age difference and you, the initial part of the marriage

is you're this young girl who's so excited and so grateful and so impressed by everything that this older, wealthier man brings to your world. And then as time goes on, any marriage gets little stale, but as time goes on, I feel then, okay, now she's no longer so impressed with all the shiny items because she's used to them. And she's not, you know what I mean?

And then now the kids are, now she's into the kids as she should be. And so now he's not getting the attention that he got from his 30 year old girlfriend 10 years ago. And now he's got a 40 year old wife that's, has school aged kids that she wants to home school. And then, so then he's doing his businesses and more and more days go by.

And I'm not saying this marriage can't be saved, but that as the marriage therapist is what I would say is the real issue. It's like they have to get back to that place where he felt she was excited for him and she has to feel like he thought you know what I mean and it just changes with kids. It absolutely changes with kids. It absolutely does. You know what I always root for love so I'm holding out hope and I'm rooting for them and I feel like all marriages kind of go through a rough patch at some time or another though if you're together for long enough. Well what's sad too about Kyle and Marisa too is both couples have that fun friendship. Yes.

And I always feel like it's when you don't have the fun friendship, when you really don't enjoy each other, when it's 24 hour bickering. That's when it has a trouble. Like if you're at least friends, but the romance is off or the da-da-da-da, you can come back to that. When your husband can joke and call you 8.5. Yeah, yeah. So now we like the 8.5, see? You want a funny husband, see? Ha ha ha.

But I think so, I think that they can. But I think, you know, she's being, and then also when you're also sometimes with breakups, especially like in the years past, sometimes when people would feel they got, they were getting divorced that people would shun them, would not want to be around them. Almost like it's like a disease that could get through the cul-de-sac. Really? Like, yeah, like in the 80s and stuff, it was like, people were getting divorced, sometimes

like, you know, society neighbors and stuff. You were like excommunicated. Yeah, like a little bit like, or we now we don't want the single girl that's, you know, at our parties. We're like a little. And so I think the breakup of, you know, Kyle and Riso might have added to, now we're gonna see this whole friendship breakup

between she and Kyle. Yeah. And I think there's gonna be a lot that even after the reunion, we're not gonna really know. Yeah. And I think there's gonna be a lot that even after the reunion, we're not gonna really know. Yeah. Because I think there's so much unknown of like, and then people are like, I feel, Jip,

I'm like, shut up. The girls were on the show for 14 years. However much Kyle wanted to share or when she wanted to share it or what they wanted to present, is their deal. Well, I mean, I hope people don't feel Jip because I can honestly say,

I didn't know a lot of that was happening with their relationship either. It was news to me as well. So it just kind of goes to show you that, things evolve fast. Now, I'm gonna go jump to this other thing because this is crazy. So this is a podcast called,

what is it called? Bravo's Hot Mike. And he is a, is this Alex Baskin's podcast? So he's a huge producer of the shows. So he has Duret and PK on there. And he's like, I know you're very upset that there were times that people had speculated fans. Was this a real robbery? Because she has a PTSD and the gun was put her head everything

Yeah, and then he goes on to say something that has really gotten people chatting Where he's like well, we were robbed three times and of the three times Vegas in the house. I Think there was another time and then there was a time where she went to TJ Maxx where she had all that cash in her purse shopping Yeah, right and then he goes on to say, and they caught the guys in Vegas, but, and they also caught the guys from the TJ Maxx or whatever. Yeah.

And Doreed's like they did. He's like, yeah. And she's like, you didn't tell me that. And that is weird. It's weird. It could be a many things. It could be that he really is just not making our priority. He just hadn't really, he really taken the call for the cop

and didn't really care to tell her and didn't really wasn't down to communicating with her a lot and forgot. Right. Or it could be that he purposely didn't tell her, but I don't know why he would say it. But yeah, I don't know why you would purposely not tell her. I think that he is just,

I really think that to read is just not on his mind that much. And so I think when information comes and stuff, he probably meant to tell her, but then he was in London and then this and this and this. And now we're sitting down and it comes up and he's being honest. And he's like, all these people got arrested and she's just kind of like, what? That would be very jarring to hear. Yeah. On a podcast, not in real time. And then I feel like with her situation with the robbery, where she's like, I have PTSD and everything, he basically is like, I feel like he's basically saying

to the therapist, I call bullshit. I think she's exaggerating it and everything. And I feel like, regardless of if she's exaggerating or not, if she is exaggerating or not, if she is exaggerating it is because she wants his attention. So even if she is not suffering as much as she is and no one knows the level of suffering, I can't even imagine what she went through.

Agreed. And if there was, and then people speculate, is there something more behind it? Whatever is more behind it, I believe she did not know anything when she woke up that night. I 100% believe that. So her trauma is her trauma.

Absolutely. But yeah, to then have your husband kind of be like, move on. I think one thing we have to like also keep in mind is that it's not going to be, PTSD is not going to be linear and it's not going to be the same for everyone, right? People are going to experience it. Right, it can rise up and it can go down.

Exactly, and people are going to experience it different ways in general. And what one person might be able to quote unquote recover from in one year's time. It might take someone else who knows how long, right? So I think that's something that is a very individual experience for her. And it's almost like you have to believe her

and just support her with that, right? I totally agree. Okay, so Kyle looked great in her green dress and then Kathy shows up and we see the trailer, so don't tell us, but Sutton sort of gets dizzy. And we don't know if she's getting dizzy from the side of Kathy Hilton, or if maybe she just had a dizzy moment,

like people faint and get dizzy. I fainted on stage once, never happened since. I don't know why I did. It happens, I don't know. I mean, we're gonna have to wait and find out. We're gonna have to wait and find out. However, I was in Aspen this weekend. And do you know what happened off camera at the Caribou Club

with Kathy Hilton and Lisa Rena? Oh, no. It's pretty much why Lisa Rena is no longer on the show. They went to this private club called the Caribou Club. OK. So of course, I wanted to go and I had some friends that were members. So it's like a beautiful dining place.

And then there's like a DJ. And it's a mix of aged people. It's pretty fun, you know? Well, the story is that Kathy Hilton went up to the DJ and asked Michael Jackson to be played and he didn't play it. And she got furious, she felt disregarded or whatever, and got mad at Kyle and said, let's leave Kyle. And Kyle was like, no. So then Lisa, Lisa Ren Rena took her in the Sprinter van without cameras, without her any recording. And according to Lisa Rena, she was in a bad mood and she went off on Kyle and off on the DJ

and used a derogatory term. Oh, wow. So what we never saw, and it just got brought up throughout the show. What went down at the Caribou Club. And my understanding is that he didn't play Michael Jackson. Well, let me tell you, when I went out at the Caribou Club Saturday night,

they played two Michael Jackson songs. And I was like, oh my God. Yeah, and I took my photo. I'm like, if only this DJ had played these songs. At that time. If Happy Elton would have been happy, Lisa Redd wouldn't have had any dirt on her. Lisa Redd had made me stay on the dirt on her. Lisa Reddick, how to make it be stayed on the show.

Kyle may have never met Morgan Wade. If only Michael Jackson had been played. Isn't that crazy? Like one event, Cascade, that is crazy. Okay, the white party. Oh, it was so beautiful. It was so much fun. How did the idea ever come to let's,

did we know somebody at SoFi Stadium, were they like, SoFi Stadium, like was like, hey, we want to host your party? Like who thinks to just go to a big, cause now I'm thinking, wait a minute, this is kind of a great idea for other people. Why not go to your local high school football field? Why not put something there when they're not playing football? Like now you have this big

space that just wasn't being used if everything's being brought in, which is very expensive to do. Very expensive. But I don't know, you could have like a wedding anywhere now. No, but I mean, you can. You can go to SoFi and get married if you want to pay for that. But you have to think about the security and all the vendors and those kinds of things because you are looking at a blank football field that you are constructing a party on. It is a very, very big venture. And we have chargers season tickets. We go to every game at SoFi and trust me, I've never seen it look like that. This was a very big production. And why do you think she wanted to have such a big production?

I think because she hadn't had the party in a couple years, right? Because of COVID and everything. And also because of how Erica performed too. Absolutely, like this was the big resurgence of the white party. So I get why she wanted a big venue. Kind of funny because it might be the sad one.

I mean, the last white party. Well, where is she and he and her staying together? Maybe not, maybe not. Hopefully not. Okay, so then in this scene, it wasn't this scene, but anyway, there's Crystal and her husband. And the news breaks at the end of the final episode that in fact they're separated. Who leaked the people story? Because right after that, they said, we're not separated. Right. We're living under the same roof, but we're not separated. We don't know who leaked this story, which is weird.

And he says, Crystal's hug, he goes, I think maybe Morgan leaked it. And so the entire year that this has been going on, how long has it been? I think it started like in June. June is when people started to, I forgot the blogger, but someone put a highlight reel together

before the, before, someone put it in the stories, okay? Because they started to notice the stuff she was posting, working out and all this stuff with Morgan on her lap. And someone put a highlight reel together of I think Kyle's dating Morgan. That I apologize that I can't remember this girl's Instagram. I feel like I just saw it this morning too. So then she, she was like 97,000 people. She's a decent one. She's good work. She then shares that back in June when she put this together before the people

article and but people were speculating. I remember seeing the stuff about who is this girl that she's working out with. Is she a friend who's just a different style? Is she a friend who's just gay? Who's a friend? Are they more? So then she goes, Kyle and Morgan both watched my reel back in June. I saw that.

Watched the highlight reel. So now I've gone back and forth. She's dressing like Morgan. They're getting the tattoos. The paparazzi just always happens to be there when they're going on a walk. Then I realized, oh, she's doing, producing a documentary about Morgan's music career.

Music career also getting her, getting the gene taken out by getting a mastectomy. That's right. And, you know, making people aware of that, which is important. You know, so I was like, oh, there's that. Then I also came across someone else's hard work where they discovered that at one point

she either had a boyfriend or a husband, Morgan, who is now realtor at the agency. Oh, I didn't know that part. Yeah, really? It has been for a while. Now at the agency. Oh, I didn't know that part. Yeah, really? It has been for a while. Now, the agency is everywhere. And I don't know if it's the Beverly Hills agency. It could be the Encino agency.

It could be the agency in Tennessee. I don't know. They're everywhere. And clearly, Mauricio doesn't know every single agent. He probably doesn't even know every manager of every office or so many. For sure. So who knows?

But in this one, after she went on Real Housewives, I noticed that we always talk about Kyle wearing Morgan's clothes. Well, Morgan got an outfit from Kyle. She's wearing an air made belt, a nice silk blouse, a blazer, a Veronica beard blazer, it appears to be. And I'm like, okay, so now wait, who's? And in it, she is rubbing her

hip in a very loving, in my opinion, non straight platonic girlfriend kind of a way. So I will say this. I, I'm happy with whatever makes Kyle happy. Of course. Right? If this is true, then as long as she's happy, great. Kyle has been through so much. She's shared so much of her life, her family's life. And I understand that people really feel entitled to know every single intricate detail of everything, but if that's not what she's ready to do, then maybe there has to be...

It maybe has to be on her terms and her time. I don't know. I just, like I said, I will always root for love. That is a marriage of 27, 28 years. They have four beautiful children. And it hurts my heart to see a family break up. But if that is what's gonna make Kyle happy and Mo happy, then I'm happy for them. Well, I love that she says, we're not that couple that's screaming, yelling, fighting. But also that's sometimes, sometimes that's what a therapist says.

Once you become indifferent, then also the marriage can't be saved either. You know what I mean? Like sometimes at least if you're fighting, you care enough to fight. You're fighting for it. You care enough to be annoyed. Yeah.

You know? But I feel like I don't care. I don't know how much was manipulated, planned out, not planned out. I have loved every second of it. I have loved wondering. I think the best thing about her, Kris Jenner, anybody else, is she made the lemonade out of it.

There you go. The buying Beverly Hills season two is coming out. It wasn't really a huge buzzword hit for season. And the trailer looks really good. There you go. And the sisters are against each other. We're seeing that they're talking about the separation. The market is a little more volatile, which

make it a little more fun than easy deals. And so I think they're like, look, this is the deal. People know about it. We're going to share about it. But when I was in Aspen, I did run into Mauricio. You did. And he was after dinner with my 18 year old son and my husband and I go, Maricio. And he was with a girl who was attractive

who didn't just walked ahead. Like she didn't stop to meet me. I looked to see, cause first I thought is it one of the brunette daughters? It was not. She didn't acknowledge you at all. No, now it could have just been a friend. It could have been someone's sister.

Who the fuck knows? I kind of felt like she knows the deal and I'm not meeting every fucking 50 year old woman who was like, oh, we're racing out. So I get why she was like, we're fucking moving on. Well, anyway, I talked to her. She was always so nice. I'm like, I'm excited for season two.

I love it because I grew up in real estate with my parents. So I'm like, I love that your daughters are working with you. Blah, blah, blah. Then I saw twice more skiing, but I felt I was so obnoxious the night before that I averted eye contact and did not talk to him again. But he was by himself skiing the two other times. So I don't have any real,

maybe he was just out with an acquaintance for dinner. He just didn't wanna have a lonely dinner. And she was like, I don't wanna deal with this. Maybe, yeah. If she was a realtor, she should have stopped. She should have tried to sell me a condo or something. But anyway, I think, you know, I think, it must have been kind of also weird

that you stepped into this, where like one of the biggest couples in Housewife history is like, you know, and then you found out about it mostly towards the end of the season. Like when you were at the white party, did you think anything was weird then? No, I actually didn't know for the longest time.

I did it. I didn't know anything was wrong. I literally just thought that Mo was in Europe because he was on his book tour. Oh, OK. So he was on his book tour. He was working. I didn't think anything of it. I had no idea.

And I knew of Morgan because Kyle introduced us on FaceTime during that dinner that Daryne and I were at her house for. I didn't think anything of anything. I didn't. I was like, great, this is her new friend. I think it's also a really good, I think you can learn a lot by watching other people's lives

on Housewives. And I think this could be a lesson to people because when you do get greater wealth and you have multiple homes, it is really easy to start living in separate homes. Oh, 100%. And you're like, oh, hey, dah, dah, dah. And then of course with him,

he always has a reason to travel. If he ever isn't happy with the situation at home, he can always say, oh, I gotta go to Puerto Rico because the office is this is this and this and this and how is she ever going to know? And I think she accepted everything. But then I think she also found her own interests. Yeah. And that could be Morgan Wade's career. It could be getting tattoos. It could be both doing extra production. Yeah. I also want to say I 100% believe that she never won on an Olympic. I wanna say I believe that because not drinking,

which I have done, dabbled in it, sober curiosity, okay? I lost like six pounds without trying. Drinking? People don't realize how many calories are in alcohol. I look on the scale after like being really good for two weeks. Yeah. I was like, this scale can't, I was like, literally this scale can't be right. Drinking is a lot of calories.

I talked to some friends and I, I'm like, I definitely think that she just slimmed down from the not drinking. Yeah. And so that would be annoying. And I mean that in combination with, you know, now you're working out for the first time in your life, like those are really big lifestyle changes. And that was another thing that like was very jarring to me when I first came into the group of ladies.

I was like, why is everyone like fit shaming and sober shaming her? Like these are, she's going through a lot. And like with her, you know, her friend, she's passing away and I'm like, she's doing healthy things to like, you know, to deal with the things that are happening in her life. I'm like, we should be applauding her.

Why are we making fun of that? Or why are we hating on her for that? I feel like even when I'm drinking and someone's like, I'm not drinking, I'm always like, good for you. Good for you, go for it. I think when people don't like it or try to find another reason for it,

it's like, it's because they probably are thinking themselves, I should probably cut back. And they don't, yeah, 100%. So they want their buddy or they're thinking, I should go to the gym more or whatever. And so they're just like, what's going on? I don't think she's even had them in life crisis. I think she's had an awakening

about what she wants in her life, whatever that might be. And if that means redefining her relationship with Mo and they're able to get back together, like I could see them getting back together, like especially when grandchildren come into play or whatever, who knows. Yeah, that's what I call. I don't think they want to sell their properties. I don't think they want to split up their business that now the daughters are part of. So I think they're just like, the only way we can do this without getting messy and disgustingly ugly is tell the world The only way we can do this without getting messy and disgustingly ugly is tell the world that we are in fact going to date other people. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's logical. If that is what it is, it is very logical. And so many people do it and keep it a secret. And so many people have done it for hundreds of years throughout history in all different cultures. And you didn't know that that was going on in your neighbor's house. And I mean, you also have to remember, like this wouldn't, it wouldn't,

if they are doing that or going that route, it wouldn't be simple. Like these are high net worth people. That's, it's very complicated. Well, I'm really glad that I got to know more about you. Me too. I feel badly that I hope you come back. Yeah, I mean- And I hope that come back. Yeah, I mean.

And I hope that we get to see a more fun side of you with no esophagus ever. And kind of get to see a little more play with your husband. We didn't really get to see the husbands hang out. And I do, you know, hopefully, you know, whatever happens, who knows, who knows's going to happen with these other, but I like when the husbands would get together. I don't, it definitely don't.

I think we saw your husband very little, but yes, I get how they have to edit the show. So if you decide to come back and everything, what are you like? How are you hoping to balance the this new public life? Are you still going to work as a professional? Yeah. Oh, it's very important to me to always maintain my independence. And I'm like, I went to school for a very long time

to achieve those degrees and those licenses. So I would, yeah, I'll always work. I always will. It's, you know, and I want to be a role model for my children and for other young kids and young girls to be like, even when you have all these things in your life, it's still important to maintain your identity and something that you worked for.

And, you know, I just want people to see like the fun side of me, you know what I mean? Like I love people, I love having good time. Like I'm doing this to have a good time. Like I'm doing this because this is supposed to be fun. So I want people to see like that light and silly part of me. I love having parties. I love hanging part of me. I love having parties.

I love hanging out with people. I love working out. I love drinking. And my family is hysterical. I want people to actually, you know, you only saw one scene of me at home with my family. I want people to see my lifestyle and the dynamic and all the things that we do.

And with all the social media and people, where were you seeing most of the comments and stuff? They would DM you or like, where would you see the kind of mean stuff that people would write? Oh, they would just put it all over my page. They would send it to me. They would tag me. They would whatever. And so now my social media team does it because I'm, you know, I just don't even have time for that anymore. And it's like, so you so early on, you were like, I just can't bring I can't I have to stop myself from looking at this stuff. Yes, and I was always told that. I think that is so important.

I was always told that, but this is the part where it gets hard for me because I pride myself on being such a good person intentionally. Yes. Like I'm literally the person, like my friends are like, you're the person that makes everyone feel seen.

And I do that intentionally because I like to make people feel good, right? So for people to not see who I really am as a person and only see one side and all you see me doing is talking about sentisophagus, that's why it's like, where am I? Like where is, where am I? You know, and so I want people to actually see me

and I'm totally fine. If people see me and they get a, you know, a depiction of who I am and they're like, nope, I'm good, she's still not for me. That's fine. Was there a time in the beginning when you were getting the hate and all that stuff that it was like really affecting you

and you had to be like, you know what, I have got to put the blinders on now, because I can imagine it, you know, when it all comes that quickly and in that volume, like for me, it's like slowly grown. And even for me, I've gotten to a place where I finally was like, don't send me stuff and I don't wanna look at this anymore, you know?

But for so long, I was like, and I always felt like, well, you know you're wrong. Like I'd see something, no, you're wrong. That's not true. That's not what I meant. And then at a certain point you just have to be like, I think that's where I kind of am now. Cause it's like, people are gonna love you

and then hate you and then love you again or vice versa. Like you're never gonna be able to please everyone. But I, and I'm fine if it's like, oh my gosh, look at her dress. Or like, oh, look what she's doing. Or something like that, something silly like that. I don't mind. It's when it becomes something that's very serious,

like something that is like, has racial undertones or something that has, you know, that is speaking about my profession, which as we all know, I, something that I take very seriously. When it becomes like serious things, that's when it actually bothers me. Yeah. You know, because that's, you know, if someone's attacking you for being a comedian,

you're like, well, but this is my job, right? Like it's kind of, it's kind of something that can be taken a little bit more seriously, I think. So, but I mean, it is a learning curve, right? Like there's no handbook on how to be a housewife and all the things that are going to come at you. Like this is a whole different level of everything. And again, going from someone who was very private before to now like being in this public position in the spotlight, you know, it's just- But you, like you said, you have a great platform.

And so you want to do more with this. Like take this opportunity and do whatever, do you know what else you'd wanna do besides appear on the show? I have lots of ideas. Oh good. Yeah, lots of things in the works. So yeah.

Well good, well tell them to do where they can follow you on everything. Animery Wiley is my Instagram handle, same for Facebook, threads, acts, all under Animery Wiley. And also I wanna take a second to plug our foundation. My husband and I have a foundation called Project Transition where we work with communities and individuals

in order for people to find their inner power, not let their circumstances become their excuse for being the greatest version of themselves. So we partner with a lot of at-risk communities and we do great work in the community. So. Oh, I love that. Yeah, that's so important. ProjectTransition.org. All right, awesome. Thank you. Thank you.