Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Weddings, Summer House, and Comedy with Hannah Berner

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Hannah Berner is here in LA! We touch on her newfound friendship with The Countess. The truth about her time on Bravo’s Summer House and how she navigates her friendship with remaining cast member Paige Desorbo after not being asked back. She also shares what it was like filming her disastrous last season, where everything seemed to be falling apart. We get the backstory behind her alleged tweet stealing, and Hannah gives us the details of her recent wedding to comedian Des Bishop. Enjoy! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to get exclusive Extra Juicy episodes every Friday and get all episodes of Juicy Scoop, ad-free Or get access to Extra Juicy on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/juicyscoop To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo, and a McDonald. Yeah. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy scoop. I hope you had a great fourth of your life. Enjoying your week, I have the best Juicyist episode. We laughed so hard.

Hannah Birder is a comedian. She was also on a reality show for a few years. Even if you've never seen Summer House, you're going to really enjoy this interview because we get into everything and we discover a lot of juicy scoop along the way and we laugh a lot. So here we go with Hannah Berder. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. I have Hannah Berner, summer house, star, and not ex- And has been a median podcaster.

You were on my show. We did a virtual like a couple years ago. Depressing. Yes. And now you're here in person in a cute outfit. I tried. Yeah. Cute blue.

I wore a tennis skirt for you. And I'm obsessed with it. We'll join like a tennis league together. I know. I just want to let you know. Yes. Whenever I'm in my dark times, I will just look at your Ramona singer impression and it reminds me that there's good in the world. So I want to thank you for that. Thank you. You know what? I really kind of appreciate that because you're like a little bit younger than I am. Okay. A lot of people think it reads my sister when we go out and have a good time But you know what it's young girls like you that constantly approach you go, you know what? Remember how can it be like you how can I be confident?

How can I have a nice figure? I'm really good. Well, it's called Ageless. It's my anti-aging skin care and you know what you know it's like a lot of people You know a lot of people are like to do nips and tucks and I'm not against it. But you know what? It's about having sunscreen on. It's about, you know, eating healthy. Did you get your brow skin?

You know, I got the brows because you know, hey, it goes, mom, you know, it's like a thicker brow. I did not realize just like I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to show, you know, Theresa's invitation until after the wedding, you're not supposed to show your eyebrows until the die of the tattooing threading. You know, like settles a little, I feel like they're really great

but my eyes are really popped. I'm just gonna do this for the next hour and I'm into it. I can, I just do a Luan where I just go, hello darling. So you, I have, I just, I just talk to Luan, I'm gonna be at Luan show Thursday. Are you going Thursday?

I have to make say hi. And then, yes. And so you guys are playing tennis. I mean, I'm obsessed with her. I mean, you really like, work wiggled your way in. Girl, I don't know how, I think, I mean, she obviously has great taste in people. Yes. But she likes for two. Lutuk like kind of she's

looted me now she took a word she took a liking to me during the pandemic we just we ate dinner because she's in SAG and I was in shelter Island yes and I was just amazed by like all the things she survived her just how glamourous she is she has a great sense of humor. And then we just occasionally hang out. And for a fan, I'm just a fan. So it's speaking of tennis, do you prefer doubles or singles? Because you're a pretty good tennis player.

We've got a great question. I think doubles is so fun for socializing, but singles is a better workout. OK. And this is a sports pod now. And have a feel about pickleball. Okay, I haven't done it, but I heard it's like ping pong but more fun.

Exactly. I'm afraid I'll get addicted to it and then I'll be a retired old man just playing pickleball every day. Right, so much easier. I heard it's so fun. Let's talk about your wedding. So you found someone, congrats.

And he is also a comic. No, I know I swore I was because I've dated comics before and I was like, never again. And I'm like, how did you guys meet? He deigned me during the pandemic. Okay. He I saw him at I saw him at the seller like five years ago. I thought it was hot, but he talked about living in Dublin. So I guess, I guess, so is he raised, does he have a Irish accent? He has the weirdest kind of, he was raising queens, and at 14 he got kicked out because he was being naughty for drinking.

And they put him in a school in Ireland, which is like the world series of drinking. Oh, so he grew up here, but then he's a good guy. But then got sent to a boarding school in Ireland. Because his family is like a Irish accent. He had a family there, but then got sent to a boarding school in Ireland because his family is like a virus to send He had a family there, okay, and then he stayed there and created a Comedy career there like yeah, and it's kind of a niche. Did he go to college or two? He went to college there He's friends with like Kylian Murphy. They both were in the drama school together like he was just into the drama and comedy of

Ireland and like he was just into the drama and comedy of Ireland. And he came back because of the pandemic. He actually saw me with Luan and Charles D'Arylan. I posted a photo, so it's because of Luan. And he just was like, hey, do you want to get coffee and sag harbor? Yeah. And we had a lot of mutual friends. And I love an older man now.

Yeah, how old is he? He's 46, I'm 30. OK. And I feel like I was he was interesting. He speaks multiple languages. He's he's a different point in his career. So I didn't feel like a weird competitiveness. Yeah. And he really he reminded me of like family. I felt like home with him. So I'm being so corny right now. And then we survived me in the house calling him every night being like I just fought with 18 people

It's always talking about your last season Your last season in summer house So you're dating this guy, but then this other guy that you had a thing with the previous summer Luke he shows up And so because I think that's always so confusing But I think it was like People really think that I'm guessing that you and your now husband were not as serious. I'd actually only hung out with desks four times before going in and I had you boned. Yes, second date. But you had never

boned Luke. No, that was just emotional damage. Okay. That was just deep emotional. And what was the deal? Why wouldn't Luke Bonyo? Well, that's so funny. I mean, we've done blow jobs. He's gone down to me. We did everything else. I think it was one of those reality TV things where like, if things went sour,

he could be like, well, we didn't bone. Oh, really? We were very sexual. We'd hang out at night. So, but he was the holdout, right? Oh, yeah, he was the one playing hard to get. And I was like, I want to fuck a hot model. And then when you guys do get intimate in the summer house,

you know, I, I, listen, you know, no flattery to you, but honestly, I stopped watching. I didn't watch it this season, but I have questions for you. Because I was like, oh, I don't really know who these people are anymore. And Hannah's gone. Like, I like Hannah. And I'm like, so I'm like everyone is, but I still like, people talked about it. My group and stuff.

So I still like know all the players. Yes. But I don't know the specific. I'm not going to get super safe with it. Honestly, same with it. I would think, listen, when someone's having something with my friend, I mute them. So I can't imagine watching a reality show that I was a big part of. And then I'm not on it. I would not be torturing myself. I don't think that watching a reality show that I was a big part of and then I'm

not on it. I would not be torturing myself. I don't think that's a healthy thing to do. I do have to say like being excluded from a friend group is possibly one of the more painful things you can go through in life and for it to be like on a national scale. Yeah. It was an ego death, let's just say. But I also do think like when people are meant to be your friends like you can get over certain stuff Yeah Yeah, so okay, so now aren't there there's cameras in every room. Yeah, okay So how does that work with changing and if you don't want like your full Scrooing being featured do you throw a towel over it do you unplug it?

So what you do is you go in the bathroom and you put the water on. Because they'll get the sounds anywhere. Page and I, like, the first time we film we're whispering in bed, and then we realize there's mics behind the beds, everything is bugged. Okay. Unless you wanna have weird, like, quiet sex,

like serial killer sex, I don't actually, I don't know what sound serial killer makes. Anyway, so we go in the bathroom and you turn it on. Sometimes they'll let you put like a so wait, by just turning on like a sink water, that'll screw up the whole sound system. They'll still get some stuff, but like the audio won't be as clear if you're like, have the shower on. And you can kind of like hold it.

A good thing is not a drought in campus. And look at that if you can kind of like hold it. You're good. No, it's not a drought in campus. And look at that. If you did that in L.A. So much water privilege. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't really know that people would agree with that. You just look down upon me. Yeah.

So you just turn it on. I've just been bored and raised. And it's, oh, we're always either half a drought or getting over a drought or drought is coming or there wasn't a drought and now we have floods. So every time we put, you on, it's actually pretty harmful. People should look into that. Okay, so you have to do that now. What about the filming?

I feel like I have seen like insertion videos like covers over. Once they've told me you could put a t-shirt over the camera, we'll let you guys. I also think you get so comfortable with production. They're family that you start to care less. I also know the only real sexual scene I had in summer house was when Luke went down on me for the first time. But I thought it was quite empowering for women.

I thought everything's about male pleasure. I wanna be like, I got fucked. Like you're just tongue. Yeah. And I thought, and I didn't go down on him and I thought it was a feminist movement. Well, yeah. There was, first there was glorious time.

I didn't mean that it's you. You know what things have changed? I think like we have to stop being so likeowsed out by women and having sexual pleasure now do your parents watch that no your dad is passed right no No, no dad is not I don't think he is I think I thought your dad Oh, because you got so mad about your dad when Kyle brought up your dad That's why I know I dad and I he's actually my best friend. I just okay. I just was talking What was that fight about then? Why do you get so excited? I think I mixed it up with like law like Kent, show upset about anyone bringing up her dad. We're all the same. We're all the same.

I started just, I mixed up my storylines. I was like, don't talk about my family. I'm in the Jersey housewives. I'm like, cut. No, that fight was like an hour long thing that just looked like out of nowhere, I got pissed off. And it made absolutely no sense that fight. Yeah, so you agree, because I can't. Well, I thought, no, it made no sense. I wish people saw what actually the fight was about, but that was how it was decided to be told.

Okay, so are your parents still married? Yes. And did they watch you getting, having us go down on you? We, and were they like, our daughter so empowered? That's a great question. I think my dad got kind of into the season. Like at first, he'd be like,

I don't care, then he'd be like, well, what's gonna happen with Lindsey and Coral? Like, he got into it. And then my mom would be like, okay, air mobs, because I'd be doing something inappropriate. That's the thing. I don't know about you and your kids,

but they're my parents. Like, I get it from something. My dad is a silly goofy guy, and he just rolls his eyes. And I think ultimately they just want me to be happy. And they like that I found a career that I'm enjoying and feeling like myself because I used to be a tennis player and I cried a lot when I lost. So I think they're just happy

that I'm enjoying myself. Yeah. There's worse things I could be doing than fucking on TV. But I mean, I think it's one of those things like ripped the band-aid off, like I think for parents, once they've accepted, like, hey, my kid is of certain age and they are sexually active, and, or my kid is on a reality show. And, okay, I've seen, you know,

then they're just like, all right, like this is what you have to do, and I'm, I just enjoy it and be there, whatever. I don't know of anybody that said, like their parents just own them for being on a reality show. Yeah, and my parents, I grew up like in Brooklyn, New York, were pretty like open family, we're not very religious. So, and my parents, I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, were pretty like open family, were

not very religious. So they just kind of roll their eyes and laugh. My mom listens to every podcast I'm on. And I talk about everything. And she's kind of my best friend. They're like in their 50s and they're kind of my best friends. And they were, they're the reason I think I was able to even survive reality TV because they were just really there for me throughout all the ups and downs.

Oh my God. Am I a politician? I was able to even survive reality TV because they were just really there for me throughout all the ups and downs. Oh my God. Am I a politician? So, let's, okay, so, okay, let's go back to asking some questions about the wedding and then I'm going to, okay, now I love me some Mercedes and I was dying. Calarious, her husband, talking about it, she drank a little too much before getting ready for the wedding. What time was your wedding at?

When did everyone have to be there? 4.30. 4.30. Were you aware of... I became aware of Mercedes when during the vows. Yeah. She yelled like she was at a baseball game just like, Woo!

And I, we had to joke and I was just like, does anyone know who invited that person? Wait, hold on. Okay, so you're doing the vows. The crowd was rowdy though. Like we had we had a very funny judge Doesn't I were like making side comments? It almost was like turned into a little stand-up Okay, and Mercedes was she would have been removed from the comedy club. She was hot. Okay. All right She was she was piling me. She was piling me at my wedding. You had a heckle. But she was kind.

She was a kind heckle. Did you ever see her wedding on Shaws? It was by far the funniest, incredible wedding I've ever seen. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. So maybe that's what she felt like. It was such a hit, but yours wasn't being. Apparently she also busted her ass.

She fell also apparently. At your wedding. She basically made my wedding about her by falling. And everyone was like, oh my god, my saizu, okay. She fell in the sand because she was wearing like stilettos or who knows who she was wearing. Yeah, and then apparently she wasn't sure what to wear because I said like beach formal.

So she's like, I'm just gonna go with golden glitter. She looks amazing. Funny thing about us is her husband is also just a guy from Queens. So him and Des get along because they're just these simple dudes from Queens. Yeah. We married the same guy.

And I do have to say about Mercedes. If some people were like, how do you even know her? I'm the kind of person that someone does something kind like I never forget. And during some of my reality TV drama, she sent me a message when I felt like so alone and scared. And she sent me a message that really, like only from someone who really understands

the world could send. Right. And it was so kind and so positive. And she didn't need to send it to me. And I really needed it. And like, I'm like, that's my girlfriend life from her 80s. So it's kind of interesting,

because, yeah, she wouldn't know, because Shaw's summer house, southern charm, van der Pomp, of the Bravo world are similar, like, you know, guys and girls started at a certain age, 30, whatever. And she's a veteran icon. Yeah, I mean, so, yeah, you would know how that, those relationships work. It's different than just the housewives. I would always go to the housewives of I would always go. And I think that's why housewives

of other franchises too have become close for that same reason, because you're not on the same show so there isn't all those elements of competition and history, but you have been to the same war. It's like going to someone who's been to your college. And you were in the same friend group,

but you're like, oh, you get the same bars and we know the same people. So, and I have that kind of with Shina too who has always been like cool and supportive of me and she's just a fun time so you had Shina come and then hey guys are cute really cute he's good cheekbones that man yes and so okay so um you know it's so exciting me I feel like I'm in a great wedding. The doctor's appointment. No, it was great. You're gonna diagnose me with something. She's like, you're dying.

Yeah, that doesn't look good. All right, so you did? When we talked last time, you told me how to, how you got discovered doing like you were writing for what, Betches. Oh, yeah, I was doing short comedy videos and tweets and memes. Very like online humor. And so then, um, you got approached by the summer house, you did how many seasons of that? Three.

And so then what, okay, so now you're watching your watch playing, you're doing the last season, you're filming it. Luke is going down on you, but holding out the date, you're talking to Dez. That was season two when he went down on me. Oh, okay. And then season three, no, nothing. So season two, the timeline is COVID hit around March, when Luke and I were still hanging out.

It was just a weird relationship of just talking on, he called me on the phone three times a day. It was a very emotional thing, where you just feel like, OK, I'm emotionally fulfilling each other's needs in some way. And we liked each other, even if it was just like two people going through a similar thing. Right. And then he brought a girl in and I had just met Dez and very quickly I saw like, oh, this guy isn't like going to be like my trustworthy confidant in the house. And after like a week of navigating that, we really had a fun rest of the summer and I just got to know that I called them every night, talked him for like three hours at night,

and then finally invited him like five weeks in. So I really kind of learned about the guy throughout this experience and I was a mess. I do have to say, when they say try to be a cool girl in the beginning, it does show him your ugly, like getting a fight early on and see if he can hang because I survived that house with him. I feel like I could survive anything. Right. And so, okay, so what happened with,

so like how did you find out that they weren't asking you back? Was it first that you didn't get invited to winter house? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I didn't get invited to winter house? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I didn't get invited to winter house, and I was... And I was... Did you know winter house was happening?

No one had told me. And so, what happened to Paige? Paige was like, by the way, like, where do we went to? And I was like, how did she say it? Did she? She, she knew you weren't included. I think it was that Paige was in a weird place,

because she's my best friend but also like she wants a job yeah and it's hard to know like what you're putting on the chopping block and she's she's better at the politics i think than me yeah and yet they they were doing it and i was kind of like okay maybe it's cuz i was dating does i kind of assumed right uh... the single people in the hookups because winter house is like half a summer house, half of southern charm mixed with like

a couple other ingredients. Yeah, and they're drinking a lot and just having a good party. But yeah, I mean, obviously like hurts your ego a little bit because you like put so much into the show. Yeah. And I had, and then, and then after winter house, where you're like, well, at least they'll still call me for summer house or do you feel like chances are you know what was happening during that time?

I was on a talk show. I was on chat room. Oh, that's right And I was about that. I was room was you Jizal Portia and K. Chastain And what happened to that it after COVID they kind're like, we don't need to do this. Scratch it. I shouldn't do anything anymore. I was filming it on like my mom's microwave. I mean, it was so much fun. It was so much fucking fun.

But yeah, I was busy doing that. And I don't know if me being on the talk show like affected people's like perceptions of me or whatever, but like I always loved filming summer house. But I was like busy with chat room at the time until they ended it in I guess, may, like we did it that whole year. Yeah. I always loved filming summer house, but I was like busy with chat room at the time until they ended it in I guess May.

Like we did it that whole year. Yeah. We had 42 episodes. Yeah. But I mean, don't you think that reality shows any, especially Bravo, it's like, no, everyone's replaceable. Oh, I mean, if everybody is, I don't think it's a hard thing to accept because you're like, oh my God,

I got to walk down the street and people said they were my favorite. And I think the fans are fucking two face too. They'll say they love you, then they'll say they won't. They'll go up to you and say you're the greatest one. And then, I do think that one producer told me this and it was very wise. He's like the people for fans. Like the people you love aren't as great as you think they

are and the people you hate aren't as bad as you think they are. And reality TV is so replaceable because they really do cast you in a way. I remember talking to Rusev Judice's lawyer before I started, he goes, okay, think about what you want to be. Do you want to be the hot one, the hot mess one, the truth teller, the drama one, because you're going to be put into one of those segments. And I went in, I was like, I want to show that women could be like hot and bosses, but also depressed and anxious and they could be angry, but also kind of like, I just wanted to be

like, I'm a multifaceted woman. And like, that's not ideal for reality TV. And I do think like, you saw my first two seasons, I feel like I was kind of the truth teller role. And then my last season, I definitely was not in that role. And you kind of get to see your life narrated through people who aren't liking you in that moment. Yeah.

And that is so scary. Like imagine people who don't like you explain to someone what's going on in your life. Like that was what it was like watching my last season. And I was like, fuck. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. And I didn't have a lot of professionals in my last season at all. And I was like, okay, I could tell. It's even like I like to talk about like, think about Bethany and Leah, McSweeney. They lost Bethany and they go, we're going to make another star. And they find Leah. And everyone forgets for a second about Bethany. The next season they go, hmm, everyone loves her so much.

Let's get her down a little. It's an art form. Are you French with Leah? I can. Yeah. Yeah, she's a cool person. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think she's in a hard position because she, you know, came on and was running around like setting, you know,

to set the house on fire with Tiki Torches on it. And then because she is an alcoholic, she cannot drink and goes back to being sober. And I really think that sobriety for a reality star is career suicide. Oh, God. Hey, to say it, it's very, very hard, not for everybody, but it's very hard because they they they sought you out and they put you all this alcohol around from the time of like, you know, Jersey Shore being the first one to just be like, where's the beach? Everybody get wasted, get drunk, be a mess to, you know, then all these different people

that we really enjoy. And I want people to be sober and stuff. For some, then all these different people that we really enjoy. And I want people to be sober and stuff. For some, they can do it. They have enough other talent. I want people to be sober. But I'm just like, I get it. That's what you are in your healthy. Yes.

But then for other people, or like, God, you know, we can't all be sober. Well, the first part, I could all be one or two of us, sober, if there's seven of us. Otherwise, the show's gonna fucking suck. Yeah, and it might be smart for her to get sober. It's true, but it is career suicide, because people don't want to be,

your first part of your sober journey is being away from people who are drinking. That's like number one to become sober. So if it's you struggling with your sobriety, I mean, it's inspirational, but it's also like, it's hard. Yeah, it's not what we want to watch. Like, it's the same, you know, moms that are, you know,

with their kids all day or have jobs and stuff, they don't want, when they get into bed, to watch a reality show, whether it's summer house or banter pump or, you know, whatever. I think it's fine if they see moms, they don't want to see your potty training journey. And they don't want to see your potty trading journey. And they don't want to see you. And the thing is, you can't listen.

I have Elkhox in my family. And I, at 13 years old, was going to a rehab, like on the parent family night. And I was, this is what I first was like, I like me some fucking juicy scoop. Like, I was like, this is amazing. And like, my mom would ever go to dinner after. And it was so great, because the place was like in Beverly Hills or wherever. My dad would take out this thing that was called the Saga Guide, like to find before like Yahoo, whatever, fine restaurants.

So every Wednesday night in the summer between my, let me see how old I was either between 7th and 8th or 8th, that I was like, it's Wednesday night. Like I'm going to get some fucking juicy scoops and dark shit. I'm going to hear some really good stories. And then I'm going to go like have a nice dinner. And even at one point when I was doing stand-up in Hollywood, I was like, you know, I met a lot of like recovering people and they're like, yeah, you gotta go to theirs is the best one is a Robertson one, the meeting on Robertson. Now I was never sober, but they're like, that's one was in a Robert, because that's where all the agents are.

And I'm like, shit, do I go to network to get like some, yeah, to get this stage time. And even when I saw there was one episode where Lou Ann wanted to go hit the A.A. meeting like in Miami and then Sonia was like all weirded out and then the camera couldn't go because it's anonymous. We're not supposed to see other people that are there, right? And then Sonia was like, oh my god, I didn't really like it. It was you know, like homeless people and like it was sad. I'm like, yeah, it's gonna be sad. Like, and then I'm like, well, Louie had wed because she was doing her standup in between her songs. She needed to get her time in.

She had a quick little, her teacher's stories that she tells. She needed to get a quick set in. I just envisioned you going up in the Hollywood, just being like, what's the deal with drinking? Am I right? And you just go off for 20 minutes. You guys, I would have a tape of that.

Can you like me? I was seriously thinking about it. It was so hard to get time. And I always had to invite everybody. And I'm like, here's a captive audience. But like, I wasn't, I'm unwrapped. If anyone wants to know, I am unwrapped. But the, but the, Alan on part of it was where I would hear the juicy stories, because it was like, and remember, my mom

and I, this gorgeous girl, girl stunning was like, you know, totally had to become like a prostitute for a drug habit. And my mom's like, could you believe that story? She had the face of an angel. She was a complete prostitute. Look, the tea at these A.I. meeting. Oh my God. And then there was this other guy that was like,

in the industry and he's like my partner, my girlfriend, is not down with me being sober, and he had a big co-cat habit. He's like, but the other day I made a drink with some lime and it looks like a cocktail, so maybe that'll work. And I'm like, excuse me, get rid of your bitchy girlfriend. You're the one who's killing it in Hollywood, sorry, you can't do coke anymore.

I was like, that is awful. He's like, my girlfriend thinks I'm a loser now. Yeah. But I made a drink that looks like it has alcohol in it. I was just like, it looks like a rum swizzle, so she didn't fight with me that night. So Carl, speaking of which, Carl is sober now. And Carl is one of those people.

I know that he's with Lindsay, but I always thought he came off really gay. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! And I'm not saying he's gay at all, but I am a little older than you,

so I'm very confused by young guys that are not gay, that to me, in my mind, going up in the, going to college in the 90s, we knew what gay was when you talked to it. And now I'm just like, I don't know what the fuck this is, but I know, and then I go, maybe I was telling, and I go, maybe it was the shorts, because he is so tall that shorter shorts to me

just look gay even though they were like in the 80s and they're coming back now. But like, you were like, train a turk, like male train a turk short outfit. It's like Mr. Turk. Like very cute, someone look. I was like, he's train a turk, like male train a turk short outfits, like Mr. Turk. I'm very curious. I was like, look, he's so good on reality TV. I thought he was fun.

I don't like, honestly, I don't remember him being like a horrific drunk or anything, but good for him being sober. How do you feel about the fact that they were these good friends? So wait, they were good friends. They got together. They broke up. She got with the other guy and then she revealed she had a miscarriage with him. And then did I see something work here? There was another guy before that, Steven, that I knew.

Okay. And then with the guy that you're the miscarriage with, I feel like I read something about that where maybe it was here. Yeah. Yeah. That was he a little bit upset like he didn't really know that she was going to reveal that or something. Yeah, I feel like he was sort of like blindsided a little bit and like in a weird way. Was there something like that? All I know is just that he wasn't a part of how it was told to America. Oh, okay. Just like it becomes like a production type thing where it's like Yeah, and I maybe he wanted to be heard of like what's the guy's perspective? Right on it's true He wasn't he wasn't on summer house. I get so it's that's a thing if you're not on the show like You don't get a voice kind of and you know what must have been awful and I can imagine this happened

Some so many sees this she And you know what, Bost have been awful and I can imagine this happened. Some, somebody sees this. She reveals, you know, well, I had a miscarriage and, you know, whatever would have been a beautiful child, which is sad. And you just know, you just know this guy is like doing his thing and we got, went to a game, come on. What do you guys do? Looks on his phone. And there's probably a bunch of DMs of like, what did you do to comfort her? Like some weird thing when they're perfectly fine and had a decent break up. But it's like all those outside voices

that reality stars especially get, where someone seeing something that was taped four months prior. This is a really traumatizing life experience too. I know, and it affects everyone involved. Yeah. something that was taped four months prior. This is a really traumatizing life experience too. I know, and it affects everyone involved. Yeah, but yeah, I guess he, when you're not on the show, you don't know when things are airing or how it's navigated.

But like obviously my heart goes out to Lindsay for going through that, but to, you can make a decision. Do you want it to be public? Do you want to talk about it? And she did, and I think it was great for women to feel less alone in something that happens so often. But I don't know Jason personally, so I can't get the real good team.

I don't think there is no good team. I mean, I think they were in a relationship. They weren't engaged, they weren't married. But this happened. He was obviously made aware of it, of both being pregnant, and no longer being pregnant, I'm assuming. And they weren't going to be life partner, so it was like, okay, but yeah, I think that probably it would have been hard for anybody that goes through that with someone that they

cared about, but then to then have this secondary people come in. We have someone that's like a press tour about it, like not Lindsay, but just people talking about it. Right, yeah. And the people are just assuming how he felt or if he was there for her. But all I know, I feel like they actually, it's been pretty amicable, but. Right.

Yeah, it's, it's fun. I feel like every season, things always get like, like more and more drama. Cause like, first season of Summer House, there was no fashion, but now it's like sobriety and miscarriages, it gets, because you get deeper into these people's lives to keep it right.

Right. Yeah, it's totally. And okay, so then now there are a couple, Carl and Lindsay. And where, but you guys are not close anymore, or are you? I haven't, well, I reached out to them after the reunion, but I didn't hear back.

And I mean, I really never had a lot of beef with Lindsay or Carl. So it was pretty heartbreaking for me that you weren't gonna be close anymore. That you weren't just that they'd like kind of decided that they were like done with me when I was like, oh, I've known you guys for four years. So I'm sorry.

And did you feel like it because you're an on the show so that you're really no use. And it makes it hard to be friends with someone. No, not at all. I'm best friends with agency. I'm closer to them with them. I'm saying, I think not, you know what? I just think it's complicated. It's like, I think with some people, you work with people and the job ends.

And you keep in touch for the next 100 years. And it doesn't matter. And then I think with other people, whether it's reality show or not, it's just like, I don't... What happened with us is we were very close and then COVID hit. So no one really spoke for like, in person for six months. And we were doing gigley squad and people were just kind of seeing us online.

And then we had this intense somewhere where we were locked into a house, COVID, it was horrible. And then no one saw each other after that because it's still COVID, so it's airing. And there was just so much virtual drama. And then they kind of were like, we're not friends with you anymore. And I guess I tried to not with all these cameras in a reunion setting where you need good drama,

be like, call them and be like, hey, let's actually friend to friend. Work this out and it wasn't. I feel like if they had talked to me, then it would mean maybe I'd be back on the show. If we make it up. And they kind talked to me, then it would mean maybe I'd be back on the show. If we make a deal. Maybe.

And they kind of made me realize that. They made their choice. They're not friends with me anymore. And I feel very high school, like my space topic, but I'm out of my space topic. But I mean, that's reality shows are high school. Say it as much as you want. It's a reality show.

Oh my god, yeah. It is high school. It's totally high school and I did realize, like, yeah, you have to be a totally high school and I did realize like I Yeah, you have to be a little political and I've a lot of trouble like putting on a fake face when I feel a type of way about something. Yeah. Yeah. And then the Kyle and Amanda so I did not realize he's 39 and she's 30. Now one of your greatest lines was when you said I'm getting streamed up by an angry leprechaun. And he just was, he really did look like an angry leprechaun. I mean his face

was very red. Yeah, I think it was one of those things where you're crying. I was crying over like 10 minutes and the camera guys are just looking at me and like the comedian and me was like, say something that entertains someone you said bitch. And looking back at it, it was, it was kind of mean, but we like laughed at it at the time. Do you think there was any correlation to the fact that you did marry a guy that's been a lot younger? I remember.

But you've seen a lot of L.A. Perkins recently, and it was just in your head. No, I do like eating that cereal like a charm. Yeah, that could be it. No, I was being a dick. Yeah. I was like a charm. Yeah, that could be it. No, I was being a dick. Yeah. I was being a dick. And you think the leprechaun thing pissed him off. Yeah, it probably did, but also like me and him,

we were mean to each other that season. We just like did not get along. And yeah. And now they did get married, right? They finally got married. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the little bit I saw of this season, I'm just like, yeah, I mean, no, no relationship is going to flourish when you're with a bunch of other single people in a house and everyone and cameras

and commenting on everything and everybody's drinking every night. I mean, why did I feel about your relationship? I mean, you did you feel about your relationship? I mean, you know, and then let's talk about the fact that you guys fought. We all heard what you said to her last night. Right. Let's dissect it. Yeah, exactly. I was just saying, in real marriage without cameras and stuff.

Yeah. You know, you get in a fight, some fight happens, and you wake up, you make a pot of coffee, make some eggs all a denial and you move the fuck on. And sometimes you don't need to talk about it. Sometimes you just go, you know what that was, a drunk thing and who cares? Or you were just being a dick or I was being a bitch. But then to have the world be able to get into it.

But even just in the moment, other girlfriends and other people being like, you need to, well imagine, you know how you get into a fight in front of like one friend and you are so embarrassed for like six weeks in front of that friend. You mean you're gonna fight with like your boyfriend. Yeah and your friends like that is what they have to do. You need to go to a shelter. Jesus. If you need me I'm here and you're like honestly we were drunk, but I do have to give them credit We're like they've had so many ups and downs you can call it on the show and they always put themselves out there I think my season we were like locked in and there were some insecurities that we were both poking each other on yeah

and I Think ultimately like what I would because I haven't spoken to Kyle either But what I would tell them is, yeah, I actually, I commend them for everything they've put out there and they've made the show amazing. And ultimately, I always have been rooting for them. I just, when I see certain things, I get triggered and I was feeling very survivor mode stuck in the house

where I was like, don't speak to her like that, don't touch me like that. And it was really hard. And I actually, if you look at other seasons, I think it was my first season. Kyle was like crying on an island, and I was like about him in a man's and I was like, you can do this.

Like you love her. And that's the relationship that I really do, like wanna have with them. Because my season I was gone. Everyone just like tried to tear apart their relationship and I don't want that either. So wait, it's summer now, are they filming now? They're going to.

And what's your knowledge of who's all coming back and who's not? I don't know exactly. I'm pretty sure Paige is. Okay. And Paige and Sarah have kind of been closest. Like I've gone closer with them, which is kind of crazy,

because somehow this is like an ex to me. Like you don't wanna know about it. If page, right. I know, like I said, you don't wanna watch your follow your Instagram, whatever, or something, you have friends with. What about now page and pillow, what's this name? Craig.

Craig. The pillow man. And they fell in love on winter house. Yeah. They're like complete couple. Yeah. Um, they're not engaged yet, right? No.

And why wouldn't we just bring, why wouldn't she just go with Craig and they can be the new Amanda and Kyle? And they can like, we don't know if they're going to get engaged or not, then they get engaged. I feel like the reality TV, they're so quick to be like okay Wednesday engagement like each other Wednesday engagement. Well that's I mean because you you give them that too. Like if I was Carl and Lindsay or Paige I would say here's the deal. We're gonna move into the house. We're gonna feel we're gonna be into each other. We'll make sure like a couple of times. We'll make I'll make sure a couple times I take too have them up the down. We'll make I'll make sure a couple

times I take too long and everyone's waiting in the sprinter van and like there's an irritating thing happening. One thing he does is this. So tell me bitch. I'm gonna get drunk and I'm gonna let my makeup get all over one of his best pillows. I'll make out with his friend if you need it. Yeah exactly. A couple things might happen. But then you at the end, we'll get engaged on the show at the summer house. And then next year, it's the planning of the wedding and all that stuff, and it will be in want-wee,

and will-wee-in-want-wee. And then, and then if you really want to milk it, then the third year you hire me, we get married at the summer house. Yes. I wonder, can anybody ever do a deal like that? Like, give me a three-year contract and I will sell my soul to Bravo. I mean, we watched that like, exact thing happened earlier with that relationship. Yes.

I got a looper after I finished my last summer. After filming, we were so waiting for it to air. Does just like propose to me. And I'm thinking back now that you're talking and I'm like, oh, that wasn't in the rule book of like being on a reality TV show. If you would have consulted with me. I would have said there's got to be a couple moments where you sit down and go, I like this

guy, but these are my concerns. And then everybody, if I like a little, pick them just a part, a little bit, you pick them. You know, like when people would say, like, when you do a job interview, and then they're like, and what are your weaknesses? And you're supposed to say that I care too much? That I hold LSD, I hold work in the beach.

I hold work in the beach. I'm so accountable, I'm really organized, I'm loyal to a fault. Like all those like positive, so you honestly, you're so doding over me sometimes. Yeah, it's like, yeah, so you do things that won't hurt him or his reputation, I think, but you act like it's concerns.

Yeah. Then we don't know if you're gonna get together, the other people go off and talk about it. This and that, and then he surprises you on camera, with me. I have to tell you, the thing with Des is, he didn't even tell his agent that he was gonna go on the show.

We just were like falling for each other, and he was like, nothing bad can happen. Turns out like him coming for two days, they made into like a three episode saga and it was this whole thing that I, whatever. And if he went down on his knee to propose to me in February and I said stop, this is not good for my reality TV star career, can you wait?

He's the kind of guy that would be like, I'm out. Like that's so lame. And like so there's two kinds of lives you could live., I'm out. That's so lame. So there's two kinds of lives you could live. You could find a guy who's down to make entertainment out of that. And he's a little too, he's just like a comic. I think you did the right thing. I'm saying.

If you're like, okay, it's what they're doing wrong. Go back in time. I had no idea. You could go back in time. You could have said, I don't know, you could have said, like, look, I love spending time with you. We could hang out for five years and do nothing

or if you get married or whatever, like you're into I'm into you. However, if we wanna do this a little bit longer, wink, wink, like that's what I would do. Yeah, you know. I think also for me, reality TV, like I started as like in the comedy space and reality TV was a great way to get a platform. Right. And I didn't think I'd be good and then like people started like me and then people started hate me. And I kind of was like, oh, I'm getting out of my alignment, which is that I just want to make people laugh. And I like the control of being on stage and being like my vulnerable self that's not

like cut up into a small place. But I do miss it sometimes. It was so much fun. But I was really fun when I'm single and I'm flirty and I'm silly and I'm naughty. But I guess Mary Hannah is a different situation, even though does is great on camera. Yeah. So now, what happened with all the controversy about people saying that there were tweets and there were memes and stuff that were out there that then you used?

Oh my God. What is the story behind that and how? I went through, just tell the truth. Yeah. Just tell me how you feel about it because I talk about that too. People just sent me something in a very popular standard special that just came out. And they're like, oh, you know, they stole it.

And I said, I'm if she stole it, I'm among some of the best she's stolen from. Yeah. But I also think everyone's talking about COVID and there's very similar jokes out there. And like who cares? I went through a really hard time in my last reality TV show where like fans were getting angry and fans were starting

to kind of like, there were specific fans that every couple of weeks had like a different kind of accusation against me. Like a full kind of cancel culture thing that was really scary at the time. And they would throw something out about me and it won't stick and they throw something out. And then I've been tweeting for over six years.

And there's sometimes like little tweet formats like sex is cool, but have you ever had chips on your sandwich? And so they definitely went through all like 5,000 tweets and they found about four that were similar going in the atmosphere. A lot of them were like tweets that were from like two years ago, where like they weren't even viral that I wouldn't have seen. And they found there like four or five tweets and they pushed that as hard as they could. And the I feel like there is common thought sometimes. And now I've before I tweet, I make sure that there's like nothing on the internet that's similar to it. And it was like a good learning experience. Yeah, like I actually had this a couple jokes

in my last special and they were like solid, crowd pleasing fucking everywhere I go, great jokes. But I noticed that other comics were doing stuff very similar. And I'm like, I would rather cut it out of mine, even though I know I'm the one who said it first. I would rather cut it out of mine than have it get out and people think that A,

I stole or be just hacky. Yes. Well, that's also what happens. Like, when I was at Betcha's the whole, do I like him more? Like, we kind of started that. And so, and then some people have accused me of stealing stuff that I was the one who wrote the joke originally

Right, but I do like I have friends who all the time will message me and be like oh fuck I just tweeted this and I know you tweeted that three years ago. It's similar stuff or what but this is a thing with Twitter It's topical. Yeah, so something will happen like for example Paul Rudd comes out and he has like beautiful skin And everyone's tweeting about Paul skincare routine we want to see it so I tweeted something like why are we looking at influencers like Paul runs skincare routine and someone had tweeted something similar two years ago I never I never saw that tweet and it was fucking end of the world yeah and and but also that's been a long running joke that he's always looked so young for his age. It's not an original thought.

But it's like Ralph Machio always looked young for his age. So it is Paul Red. That's been a common thing. So like, I- But it is something I'm navigating. For example, something on Twitter, I was doing stand up and a alarm went off and I go take your birth control. And it went viral.

And then like, any letterman, D.N. me and she was like, by the way, I've done that crowd work before. Like, could you take it, like, just let me know I did it before you. Are you on stage and someone's like, do it, do it, do it. And I go take your birth control. And that's like a crowd work thing that I've always done.

Yes. And like another few more comic was like, I've done that. And I, because she posted it before me, then I was like, okay, I totally get that. And we're just navigating that, but I do have to say, I'm now more conscious of like, I don't just, like, when Will Smith is like, how many times when Will Smith hit Chris Rock, do the same jokes go around? I do think also as you become a big creator, you have to be conscious of like, you are the most the following. So if someone had a typical idea, a similar idea, it would look bad, but thanks for asking me about it

because it's the most painful thing for someone to accuse you of being a joke-stealer, but people love to go for what people care about the most and obviously I was trying to be a comic, so it was pretty hard for me, but at no times was it ever a joke that was original? Or a good joke that was like take. It's always like a quick one like thing about like that

that I'll tell you I do sympathize and empathize with you in that because so I was doing stand up so long ago and I had a star 69 joke and back in the day if someone called and hung up on you or whatever or you just want to call back the last person that you called you pressed star 69 and you were able to call them back without knowing their number or anything. None of us. Okay. So obviously there's a joke there, 69. So I made a joke, I can't remember something about sex and dating or ex-boyfriend and something star 69 joke.

So I'm the MC of the night and I say that joke and this other guy comes up and he does his act and he does Not the same joke, but in the same realm I immediately go up to him and go just so you know you weren't here when I did my joke My joke I have a star six and I'm good and he goes well What is it and I tell him what it is and he goes oh? Well, thank but I don't even think they're similar and I go okay I just want you to know because I was like, I don't want you to think I stole it,

but I also was being nice by saying, maybe that's why that didn't get that big of a laugh, okay? Like, because I already kind of covered it. Time goes on, I'm like a regular now at the improv. And like the owner of the improv, like, thinks I have a TV show in me and all this stuff. And because I'm from LA, whenever I'd have a show, I'd invite a bunch of people and they were like, a fucking cool USC crowd and they were like the great audience.

And so now these bitter people are saying, I packed the audience, I'm not funny. How is this girl getting these spots? And that same comic told my, so then it gets back to my manager that I steal material. Well, this jar 69, so that is the worst thing you can accuse a comic. So I fucking go to the improv with my notebook and I'm like, this is how the joke like this is me journaling, this is how I thought of it, this is the date. I was like, no one wanted to know, no one wanted to care. Because like anything, the minute someone makes an

accusation about you, that would happen sometimes on Chelsea lately, would be like, oh, there's better retraction and we're like, who cares? That was three days ago. We just wouldn't cover it. And it's like, but when you're the person being accused of something, you're like, but I didn't do that. I didn't sell stories.

Well, it's crazy how, when I was having like looking bad on summer house, everyone was kind of jumping and like, and she steals tweets and she's an asshole. And it was, it was a scary, I remember, one of the tweets was I was like, I know I'm getting old because I like air friars. Like, that's not a joke.

That just me like, like, yeah, it was just, that's what they're saying I'm stealing. What I have, I mean, I'm gonna hate it, but like, I have a TikTok with hundreds of stand-up bits. And I've never once been a coos of stealing any stand-up bit, but should I have tweeted my air fri- air friars or when you're getting old, it wasn't worth it for all the hassle, but at the time,

you know, you just get your phone and you're like, air friars are stupid and you post it. And people, they found like five or six tweets, which also I was kind of impressed that only five or six out of five thousand tweets that I've been tweeting, but someone actually brought it up to me. They were like, someone talked about it on Juicy Scoop

and I was like, I think I brought it up. No, I think, because I was like, or someone was like, it was like a topic. It was like a story. And I was like, oh my god, this is like my worst nightmare, but I remember someone mentioning like, you know how there's in the comedy world and she was like, she was asking questions about it. She was like, let's god, this is like my worst nightmare, but I remember someone mentioning like you know how there's in the comedy world And she was like she was asking questions about it. Yeah, like let's not just assume that has that here just like

Also with Twitter, what are you gonna do? See a viral tweet and just write it or like or like or like or you know You're seeing a tweet. You're like this is fun. I'm gonna say this for about six months from now I was accused of jokes from like two years ago You think I was your random tweet from two years ago Wait and then I post it and it's not even that ago. You think I was here random tweet from two years ago, wait, and then I post it and it's not even that funny. It's about an air fryer. I'm not gonna do that.

And to be honest, I'm just putting on my effort into TikTok now because people don't know who I am there. So they just kind of, like, they're not like, oh, that's a girl from summer house. So it's been nice to have a new community. But what I learned from that, okay? Because sometimes the easiest and the most well-received jokes are the Tinder Bumble,

Air Fryer Costco jokes, because end COVID, because everyone can relate. But what I learned from that in that moment was, if I talk about my own personal life and my own personal stories that have happened to me, no one can accuse me of stealing that joke. But it's nice to sometimes have those crowd pleasing literally one-liner jokes. And if you got one, you don't want to give it up because maybe someone's saying that

you, you know, or too many people are doing it. You like to have those little place ones where you're like, boom. But the fact that Annie wrote you, that's appropriate. I've also had to be like, hey, like, girl to girl comic to comic, you know. I tweeted something about like having a bad face day and some bad hair day. And Niki Glazer immediately texted me with a screenshot of her notes with the date. And was like, by the way, like two weeks ago, I was working on this bit on stage while, you know, I didn't steal it. Can I still work on it? And I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing anything with it.

So like, there's a community of of actual joke writers who are navigating stuff. Because I think in this world of not just going on stage, we're no one's filming it, but all the podcasts and tapings and all this stuff where people can say you said this and we don't want to be accused of it. And then sometimes the accuser, if the comic is beloved and so big, some

of the people that did go after like Amy Schumer and stuff, they got, it wasn't good for them either. So it's like, when someone even brings it up to me, I'm like, thank God I can write other stuff. Thanks for pointing it out. But I do think you nailed it. Yeah. These were tweets that like, I was, I posted one tweet on my Instagram a day for like three years. I didn't like posting photos. I just wanted to like, it was like on the right. It was like a right thing,

but like I had a real joke. But at some point I think I really just like wanted a good tweet for the day. And I did have some like hacky stuff for sure about air friars. And looking back, it's like that was kind of my little karma for just like hilarious, quick life.

Just kidding. I mean, the 69 things sounds funny if you see me on stage, don't say anything. I mean, it's a very old joke. No one would, no Gen Z's would understand this. Yes, yes. But yeah, I mean, it was like a learning thing and it really pissed me off. And this guy was like actively trying to fuck me over by saying it. And I was like, you're so fucked.

I had a particular like Paul Rudd tweet that the problem is mine like went viral. And then it was like a Bravo account who posted like two years ago she had tweeted something similarly. I kind of wanted to be like, there's no way I would have seen that. Paul Rudd having my skin is, it was a common thought. But like Paul Rudd having good skin is it was a common thought. But like, Paul Rudd having good skin, it's not an original, like great joke of mine.

It's just, and they're like, fuck this bitch, like so much hate. And it's hard. It's like all the, a lot of the people that are doing the bravo commentary and podcasting and memes. And you know, there's so many of them now versus like four years ago They they're into it and some of them want that same fame and I'm you know, so it's like they are

Sometimes they're fans, but they're also probably really jealous that like that they didn't get to experience The platform, but they're huge fans of the shows and all that. And so then sometimes those people can get nasty. Some of the problem in pages are so fucking funny. Like I used to follow them all. I love when they made something like funny about me. Yeah. But then sometimes it goes dark and then you're like, I need to mute that.

Yeah. Yeah. But then sometimes it's straight mean. Like it's not even snark, it just mean. Right. Like, who do we hate the most? And I'm like, this is not good for my mental health. Yeah.

I put it too. Yeah. I mean, no, it's, yeah. I mean, someone told And I'm like, this is not good for my mental health. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, I mean, no, it's, yeah. I mean, someone told me like, oh, there's this whole group of people who hate you that you've kicked out of your Facebook group. I'm like, okay, good. You're, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I mean, that's the thing about the podcast. I'm like, you could still listen to me for free twice a week, whether you hate me, whether we stop being friends, whether you said me a death threat. Like I can't block. Maybe he's been through my haters the same way. I can't block you from listening. Though however, I bet that prediction,

that'll be something new that happens in the podcast world, where you can almost like block a listener's account or something. It's gonna take a while, it's gonna take like two years to get that technology, but I think that'll probably happen. I do know that the best podcasts are the ones with the worst reviews. Like if you only have good reviews,

I'm like no one listens to your podcasts, but I feel like podcast reviews are so toxic because it feels like yelping you as a person. Yes. Because people will like rate my podcast based on a fight I had on Summer House. Yeah. And like I feel like the reviews shouldn't be a thing.

No, I've literally had a review where they're like, had in Summer House. Yeah. And I feel like the reviews shouldn't be a thing. I've literally had a review where they're criticizing my relationship with my stepdaughter. But then there'll be another one that's the thing I love most about her is what a great stepmom. She is like, I think my reviews are a long thing of five-star. The tight knees, the tight knees, three and four, tiny, tiny,, a long thing a five star. The tightness, the tiniest, three and four, tiny, tiny, and then like a decent one star. And it's like, and sometimes I just go read the one stars.

Just to like, you're naughty. Like a drug, like a naughty bit. Sometimes I'm going through it and I'm like, nice, nice. I'm like, ah! Like, why am I, why am I, why am I, I was podcasting only five stars and one stars and I've never read reviews to be like I should listen to this you know

It's all like just wild shit being said and it's crazy cuz like in the reviews though you can't write back No, you can't write back and go hey girl. There's about eight Million other podcasts you can listen to so why don't you just go find out? You're so angry all the positive ones are bots and then someone will be like oh the negative ones are bots and then they're fighting with each other it's quite entertaining but at least they're gonna like angry so angry oh my gosh let me see if there's anything else I want oh here's that I sometimes I hate this so if you hate it just say I hate you, but it was a Merry Fuck kill are you down or no? I mean it's Luke Kyle and Carl. Oh gosh. I've done this before I don't like the kill so I like to just say like

Put down yeah, like put on mute forever something. Yeah. Yeah, um, you know what I would Yeah, yeah, um, you know what I would I would mare I know they're always so hard, but you gotta just think of it logically. Oh, you can have this on the back Well you guys are this is have a beautiful photo This is talking the cake. I'm going. I know that this game is awful. I'm going. I mean, I love them all. I'm going to I'm going to... I'm going to... Who's the richest? Okay. Of Luke, Kyle and Carl, who's the wealthiest? I don't know. Who was generational wealth? I don't think...

I mean, Kyle Dusky. So let's marry Kyle. Okay. And then Carl's tall. Okay. So we'll have sex with him. Yeah, that's good. And we will just put Luke on mute because he's better to look at than here.

And then Carl's tall. Okay. So we'll have sex with him. Yeah, that's good. And we will just put Luke on mute because he's better to look at than here from. I think that's a great choice. Also, kind of say, if I was friends back in the day with Kyle, I would have told him, name your drink Summer Boy. And I mean, you just dropped the mic on that. drink summer boy.

And I mean, you just dropped the mic on that. First of all, that boy is doing amazing. Okay, it is doing amazing. But just think how much better would it done? Just summer boy. Well, there's a Hampton's, Rosé called Hampton's Water, which I think is very smart. Yes. Can you be like summer water?

Yeah, yeah. Look at us. Yeah. Just marketing exacts over here. And and then Carl still like stocks of shelves or whatever of a lover boy. What did you do? What's his job? I'm not a part of this. I do not. Okay. No, what's going on in the office. All right. Okay. Well, I think we had a lot of fun here. This was so much fun. I love talking to you. What's your deal? Are you are you ready to have babies? What's happening? Oh?

Um, do you have a plan? I have some shows coming up first. I'm gonna be in um Chicago Madison Milwaukee. Oh fun. That's for my mom went to college. University of Wisconsin at Madison. That's where I went to college. I'm a badger. I went to college, University of Wisconsin at Madison. That's why I went to college. I'm a badger. Get the fuck out of my life. Oh, badgers. So she's cursed. Were you in a sorority? I was on the tennis team.

Oh, OK. Anyway, my mom was a badger beauty. I'm sure they stopped it because it's only about being pretty and stuff. So she was hot and pretty people can't work anymore. So she was a bad girl from... I really, truly. So that she was a badger beauty

and military ball queen the same year. She must have been a bad ass because like getting to Wisconsin was hard. And the... Well, she had to leave Marquette because she did this, the original reality show was like this weird little cable show.

And she did the longest kiss, and they went away for a commercial break, and the Jesuit priest put her on social probation, and her dad was like, fuck this. So she's an icon. So go to University of Wisconsin. Yeah, go, bansers! I mean, it's such a great school.

Are your boys interested in all and going? I don't think they can handle cold weather. They're born and raised here, so like, you know, listen, so like no one's there. Southern California kids can't, they know. They think Boston's a weakening mammoth. It's like, you know what I mean? I mean, I wouldn't discourage it. Yeah. It's a fun, I just know. I just know it's very hard for like, it'll be a culture shock. Yes, but I just went because I got, I did get a scholarship. So that's why I went. I didn't know where we went. Now, where, how do you play tennis when it's so cold indoors?

Oh, indoors. They have beautiful indoor facility. Okay. They were great with sports. And everyone has a liquid layer of alcohol. Pretty much all time. So it's so much fun. But it was a culture shock for me too coming from Brooklyn.

Everyone thought I was like exotic because I'm have Italian. Would you drink beer with pretzels and mustard? Oh, a thousand percent. Have you had the Bloody Mary's that have like a full hen in it? No, what do you mean a hen like a piece of chicken? Oh my God, can you Google Bloody Mary in Wisconsin? I mean, I do like it when it's like a salad coming out

of the Bloody Mary like a small meal. The Bloody Mary's just a vehicle for what's in it. Like they have cheese curds and a cheeseburger. Like it's insane. Oh, how cute. insane. Oh how cute. Yeah, I mean cute. Oh my god. You'll have diarrhea, like forever.

Um, yeah, I'd be okay. The Bloody Mary is, you know, you don't need to get brunch with Bloody Mary. Oh my god, that's crazy. It's a full blown chicken. I've never just had a corn and cake and I should have had a one. What's corn? Corn and cake. Corn and cake.

Corn and cake. Corn and cake. Corn and cake. Corn and cake. I have two Sips and I'm like I'm full. That's enough. I know that's you got to have that instead of a brunch. If you're gonna do brunch, you're gonna stick with just like champagne. I have a question for you. So as someone who is green in the comedy field and I want to try to have a long career in this business and you have been killing it. Yes. When should I have baby? Well, I think what's really great is, I mean, I think it's the best time ever for female comics and there's so many like young moms and stuff. It definitely was, which was good, is that my material, I was like the only one doing it, like talking about like being a mom and married. It seemed like there were a lot of people who were divorced or single or gay or whatever, but I like had a traditional life. And so that was very, very beautiful. You mean? Yeah.

I would definitely never make that a reason why you don't get pregnant. Yeah. I feel like you can figure it out. Because everything works out and there's always new stuff and as long as like you're talented and fun, and so I can enjoy that time and whatever deal you wanna work out as far as like how often you go on the road or what is fine. I mean, I did, my kids did, I do have a lot of guilt about my Chelsea lately days and when they were in elementary school

and like how much like poetry readings and shit like that I missed, but now that they're older and I've had so much more of the idea to come up with this poetry reading. I just really had I really I'm really sad about it like I but like you know which else you lately made me happy yes yes yes like it was so much Chelsea lately it was it was that and then also the opportunities to go on the road like I had to do it then, but I can go every weekend. Like I made sure I couldn't go every weekend because the the TV show. But I wouldn't change any of that. It all works out. But what I am grateful for is that I,

you know, a lot of people do it the opposite. They stay home when they're little and then come when they're like, nine, they like go on their career and whatever because the kid can like you know take us shower by themselves well. I kind of did the opposite and I having so much more freedom and time with my kids these last seven years I mean I think they're the more important years yeah so like if you can. Another like besties. Yeah, like my kids don't, they don't remember like I'm sad that like I'm like, I don't remember like, I don't remember those baby times as much, you know what I mean? And like all of that, but then also it was so exhausting.

So to go to a hotel and be able to like be alone and like sleep till 12 and how people say that they like love me. I mean I did love it. And my husband was always great. He never was like don't take a gig or anything like that. He never was like resentful or anything like that. And so it's like I think and you know and there's so I just so my advice to you is I mean you have the husband you're 30 right. I mean, you have the husband, you're 30, right? I mean, I wouldn't fuck around. Do you know what I took? Or fuck around, fuck around with your husband.

But I mean, I would like get on it. Do you know I took plan B the next morning in my wedding? Oh, because you had a big gig. The gig. Yeah. Yeah, I had a weekend coming up in Milwaukee. No, we, I like, forgot to take my birth control during my wedding week.

I was just like, I sat out of it. And then we had sex and next morning I was spotting and I was like, oh, I'm going to get pregnant. Yeah. And I was like, do you want a baby? And he was like, oh, I'll travel a little more. And I'm like, okay, take me a CVS. So that was romantic. Yeah.

That was our honeymoon. CVS. Yes. Well, I mean, great that we have those. But I do. I never was the girl who's like, I can't wait to be a mom. I can't wait to get married, but I'm not not into it. I actually love kids. And I can't wait to have them. I just feel like once I have them, I'm going to be so obsessed with them. And but that'll, that'll, you know, because it's like, I definitely think this, you know, women today too, you can find a way to balance it. You're always going to have more guilt than your husband. It's never going to be the same. He's never going to be as sad about leaving as you are.

You will have like that anxious anxiety, like being away from your kids. Yeah. But like, yes, I would definitely, I don't want to self-hate my whole life. But I definitely think, I definitely think, go for it and do it. And it'll just work out. But you should not push it off. These are your fertile years.

And if you get pregnant easily and naturally, that's much nicer than, I mean, try, listen, it's hard enough to schedule a stand-up gig and to make sure like the sitter's there or whatever, but if you have to also schedule around getting shots and injections and not your face, but like, you know, that, that, you know, probably know people going through it. It's a lot, that's a lot of scheduling besides the money. It's, that's a lot more on your hormones. So you probably need to spend maybe like any year or two, is what I'd say, go off of it, try to get pregnant for those next couple years,

and then if it is a problem, then you still are young enough that it's not that big of a deal if you need extra help. I grew up in the toxic generation, I was like, we make and have it all, without having an understanding of, but it's hard. But seeing you out there, killing it,

and have the family and the husband, it's beautiful to watch and inspirational, honestly. So sweet. Well, it's kind of interesting because I noticed a lot of girls in TikTok, it's like flexing if you don't work. Are you seeing that? Sugar daddy.

No, they're sugar daddy, sure babies, but then there's a sugar wife. Yeah, that's like bragging like, what do I do? I'm married well. Yeah, be fucking jealous and all this. And I'm like, that's fine, but it's like to me, it's a little bit wow, because like my mom was so worked so hard to like have a career and tell, you know,

have your education, no one can take that away from you. And let me just tell you something, it's way more satisfying to get an accolade about your work or what you created than you gave a really good blow job. And high on TikTok, I got a free Chanel bag that looks exactly the same if I got a fake one for $200 and no one's gonna know the fucking difference.

I love your TikTok algorithm, but that's what you're seeing. Oh, I see such words. Like, it's so funny because I will tell you about kids. Did you see this? And they're like, no! We're not seeing what you're seeing. Like, I don't see anyone dancing. I just see like, do you see fucking stories and like hookers like bragging? How much money they made the night before? Yes, like, but I'm just like kind of like, hey, I get it. Like that's a sarn of feminism too, like whatever, but it is, but it's not long last day. Being home alone with my own thoughts,

and no work is hell for me. That's hell on earth for me. And I've always been a workaholic to run from whatever I'm running from. And myself worth has always come from like trying to accomplish something. What's funny is like the reason the moms went and all got these second means careers, you know?

Like in like the 80s and we're like the Latchkey Kids era is because they saw their friends be dumped and not know how to take care of themselves after 15 years of marriage like that. And so they were like, so then all these women were like, no, like you've got to get a career going so that you're not fucked. And now to see it like all happening again, where women are like, fuck this, thanks.

Like I want to go back to being a 1950s housewife and just make a chicken all day. Like they were pretending they were dumb and couldn't do anything, and that was the smartest thing they've ever done. So now let me be that, but I would say, no, not great, know, you're gonna get in the same thing of like being trapped and not having a career or being with someone you don't like or whatever. So being trapped in a relationship is way worse than being single. But I don't think you should be apologetic if you have the luxury of being a stay-at-home mom.

Oh, for sure. I think that's wonderful. Like, wonderful. One thing if it's a choice, that's great. If you feel like you're stuck, that's your mother. Yeah, but I also would say, be a little careful about that too. Like don't get too comfortable. Also because it's really hard to get back into the workforce

if you wait too long. Yeah, and I know if you don't want for a sentence. I don't like being dead at all. Yeah, at all. Yeah. I want to give blow jobs when I want to. Exactly. But if you get paid for them get

a lot of the car club club companies on as well as you mentioned uh... being a boss boss girl boss bit could i just say like all it's very annoying when women say that and yeah no employees uh... can you be a but i have employees but i don't like saying boss bitch but but why do women say that like be, be a boss, boss bitch. And I'm like, but you're just, you're just like a, I'm just an entrepreneur. Yeah, you're just an entrepreneur.

Like, without any employees. Like I feel like if you're a boss bitch, you should be like Joan Crawford with a hat on. Like, don't fuck with me. Oh, I was like, you should have like a lot of, so the, the, the, the stocks. And then also like, why is that like empowering to say you're a bitch? Like, I want it to work.

I want to make it public. I don't think I've ever said boss bitch. I think that term is too unique. No, I'm saying not you. I'm saying in general people being like boss bitch, babe. Well, this, the whole like, yeah, the whole boss bitch and, and that like power woman has bit people are going against it now because- Because I thought we're supposed to like empower the employees and have them not quit.

Yes. Well, maybe they're quitting because you're like, I'm a boss bitch. Yes. And also just making it like, oh, if you're a successful woman, you have to be like running CEO companies. Right.

And it's like, let's normalize happiness first. Yes, yes, I agree with that. That's kind of leaning. My thing is, I might have said that kind of thing because I'm not great with having bosses. Yeah. And not that I'm like, fight the man all the time, but I'm always that weird creative kid

who just starts doing her own thing and like ADHD. And that's been good for me in a creative place, but not a nine to five. Right. I would always have new ideas and think I was trying to change the world, and they're like, you don't work here. Yeah. So I've been fired from multiple jobs.

And I've also outgrown certain jobs. Betches I got summer house and I started my own podcast and I kind of outgrew it. And I've been a leader and just being creative and 9-5 wasn't. I've done the cold calling sales and the marketing. I've sold t-shirts. I've tried that stuff and it wasn't my calling. Right, yeah. Well good, I'm excited for your future.

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