Keep it Positive, Sweetie - It's Always Us & Them w/ David & Tamela Mann

Episode Date: January 5, 2025

David & Tamela Mann are one of gospel music’s most prominent power couples. With several musical and literary projects, television shows and movies to their collective credit, they are a stellar example of teamwork and managing marriage and business. Crystal will chat with David & Tamela about the keys to cultivating and keeping a happy marriage, the balance between working onscreen and life off camera and how their creative worlds collided for Tamela’s new album, “Live Breathe Fight.”

Coming up on Keep It Positive, sweetie. As we go in our late 50s, and we have a different challenge now. Menopause. Yeah. And menopause. You got to help me out. Help me out.

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and much more. David and Tim LaMann are one of gospel music's most prominent power couples with several musical and literary projects, television shows, and movies in their collective credit. They are a stellar example of teamwork and managing marriage and business. I'm really excited to talk to them about the keys of cultivating and keeping a happy marriage, the balance between working on screen and life off camera. But first I'm gonna spend some one-on-one time with a woman of the hour to talk about her new album, Live, Breathe, Fight and much more. Tam! Thank you so much for coming. Thank you for having me. Oh my god, first of all

can we get into how good you look? What's this? I'm trying, I'm modeling after you guys. No, you look good. Well thank you so much. You look really good. Thank you, I'm just trying to stay healthy, trying to stay healthy and even with working on the new music, and I'm just saying this right off the top, it's just, I'm starting

like from inside out. That's beautiful. So when you say looking at the body, but it's like mental, I'm trying to make sure my mental's right, my spirit man is right, and the body. I see it, I see it. As a woman, I struggle with my weight going up and down, up and down.

You too? It's been one of those things, and being more transparent about it, I've noticed that a lot of people struggle with the same thing. But for me, like you said, inside out, I recently just did a trip where I was learning about so many different things, but the main thing was what we eat, exercising, socializing,

and it talked about how even with dementia, how if you don't do these things, and I was like, ooh, I was like, so it's already starting now, and I don't even know it. Like it only says 20, 30 years before you even like can feel it or have any type of symptoms. So like I started really taking it serious. I know because you know my mom was had dementia. Yes I did. So I went through that with her so my constant prayers like Lord keep my mind, Lord keep my mind. Yes. Because I just still, even when it comes to your mind is a part of everything that you do and how we function. And I'm like, when it comes to my singing, it's like my relationship.

And then when it comes to the second part, which is my singing, it's so important. And I'm like, Lord, I need to remember what I gotta say. Oh my goodness. Yeah, there's some times where I get on stage, I'm like. I have one blank. It's like, what's my first word? Right.

Because I said, what's my first word? Right! What's my first word? Because I think too it's like the nervousness. It's like the kind of people say you still get nervous, but I do. Wow. Even to this day. Tammel man gets nervous? Tammel man gets nervous every time. You may not see it, but I'm shaking in my boots. You know what Tyler taught me though? Because he would call me like before I had something big to do.

He's like, you nervous? I'm like, nope, I'm good He was like, that's not good. And I was like, what do you mean? He said you need to feel something so you can lean on God. That is it That is I would you he took it right out of my mouth But then I'm I'm depending on his strength his power So that's what we feel and that exactly cuz it's whoo Once I get them first couple words out, I'm good after that. I love that.

We both work in the entertainment industry. We're both actors. And it's such a vain industry. And being that, like, I know for me, I'm really hard on myself. When I gain weight, I'm like, I gotta lose it. I gotta lose it. And my audience, they see it.

They're like, she's too hard on herself. Like, she's fine the way she is. Have you ever, like, had moments where you're like, Tam, like, you gotta get on get on it or like feel like you fell off the bandwagon because you... Yes, I don't fell off like you say, open up a lot. But what happens is it's like I really, this time it's like I'm really trying to concentrate on it because I want to be healthy or not causing myself to have or deal with different issues for us medically. Yes

So that has been most of the the my concentration on and in trying to make better choices It's not good every day y'all is not happening every day making the best choice But I'm just really trying to change my lifestyle thinking so it's you know, it's just I think it's just a part of how All of us are made because we all have different things that we have to work on. And for me, weight has been that thing. But I honestly came into the world big. I was nine and a half pounds.

So I've been thick my whole life, but I can't just write. I realize in talking to myself, and yes, speaking to myself, that you can't make that an excuse. And you gotta just make better choices. Yeah, you said it's not always good. I have this challenge called the,

Did You Move Today Challenge, where I challenge my audience to get up and at least work out one hour a day. Oh, that's good. Yeah, but. What? But. Hey.

Help me, Lord. The last few weeks, I feel like I haven't been doing what I'm preaching. I'm inspiring people to do these things, but my schedule is so crazy that I can't keep up with it. Do you have moments where you're like, dang? Yes, it is. When it comes to working out, I have fallen off the bandwagon.

But the thing for me is once I do get up, it is a constant move. It's not like I'm sitting down. True, yeah. I'm like moving, I'm not necessarily exercising, but I'm constantly moving and not just sitting. So I think that has worked for me, but I really do need to get a regimen in. I like to walk, but I like to walk outside.

And even in my neighborhood, it's a cool neighborhood, but people still stop. I have FedEx, Not the FedEx man. UPS man, they stop. My my wife can we take a picture? I'm like sir I can't stop and talk to you you see me I'm trying to exercise? I'm trying to get myself right and take a picture. You know it's like you love people but it's like you are like in those selfish I'm I can speak for myself the selfish moment

where I'm really trying to concentrate on me and get me better but that thing like that happened. That's why I really stopped going to a major gym because people was standing beside the treadmill talking. Oh literally, it's so annoying. I love y'all. It can be rough. We love y'all so don't misunderstand. But we're just trying to get it together. Literally, no and then sometimes like you're in a very vulnerable state from your age. No makeup.

You know what I'm saying? Sometimes we don't feel our best selves, but we're trying to get to that point where we feel good about ourselves. That's right. And people just want to come up and take a picture. I'm like, I look crazy. No, you don't. You look beautiful.

Okay. I said, you know you tell them the untruth right now. And I'm really into water aerobics. So it's like, you wet, you got the wet look for real. And it's like, y'all, but people, I really appreciate because you guys and the people following us make us who we are and the support of what you do. But it's like, but we still human too. Yeah, we are.

That is so true. I've noticed that you've really taken fashion to another level. You have the Taylor Mann collection. Yes. Is this part of your collection? No, this is not part of the collection, but I'm trying to link.

First, I'm into have at leisure things now, but I'm trying to lean more over to more comfort, easy go things like this. So this is the vein and the avenue that I'm going to, but I'm into really heavily the shapewear. Like now I have new the latte color that matches our skin. And it's a nice thing. You know, my shapewear, I love about it.

I wear it every day. It's comfortable. It gives you a snatch, but it's a comfortable snatch. See, I need, that's what I need. And it gives you a lift, you know, comfortable snatch yeah I need that's what I need and it gives you a lift you know where it have you know you already got that bun going so it just gonna you know just give you a little bit more lift you know it ain't gonna take it out of the right portion yeah it's gonna hold you that's all I love about the shapewear. Okay I need to get some shape some of your shapewear because I for me it's hard to find a shapewear

that's comfortable and it's I wear it every day. And no joke, y'all, I don't wear underwear, I just wear shapewear. Oh, there you go. Okay. Every day. Every day. That's the secret. If it's a secret, then tell little man, Shaefer. Because sometimes I do notice if I do wear underwear, I can see the indention, it's not all smooth. It gives you a smooth.

Okay, got it. tip of the day. Yes. So you are a mother, an entertainer. How have you been able to manage this for all these years? It's, it can be rough. Our first, our early years was really rough, especially when the kids were younger. And even when they got into their teenage years, because that's when like the plays

really took off and then we started, you know, with the television stuff. So we would be gone for months at a time until like, you know, Tyler's smashed it down or crunched it down now. We go even faster. But we would be gone and we missed a lot of stuff. So a lot of times it was it was hard for us, you know, like I can remember one day I was standing on side of the stage and we were doing Meet the Browns, the play, and I just started crying. My son had a game, my daughter was getting

ready for the prom, but we were out doing the show. We had made the commitment. So I missed it. So it's like, I'm talking to them. He's talking to him play by play with football. And I'm saying, okay, what you gonna wear? What color you gonna do? You know, what the dress look like? You know, so it's like, missing those things.

Yes, trying to be present. But it was rough, but a lot of times we would work. But once we come home, we dedicated it to family time. Where I concentrated on them, if anything anything or events was happening. If my kids couldn't come I wasn't going. I know that's why. Because I feel like I had already been gone and if I'm home they should be with me and that's how me and David kind of went about it. Just making sure that we got that family time in because it is important to us. Even to this day, but everybody now has their own families and kids

and everything. So I'm letting them also make their own traditions with themselves. Even though me and David were always, you know, when things happen, we really like things to happen in our house. But we've been like that with them since they were kids. They had every event. If they were going to have a party, we want everybody to have their party at our house so we can kind of see what was going on. My parents are like that too. Everybody come here. Yes.

So we did that a lot, but we kind of learned how to kind of set times for the acting, learning to set times for the music and things like that. And it's working. I mean, we've been doing it. Everything hadn't been perfect, but it's working. And that's amazing. What are some of the challenges besides not just being able to be there physically?

The physical is just being away was to me the hardest part. Actually not being there. But the other challenge for me, if I could turn the question a little bit is when I was trying to do release music and we were filming at the same time. Where it got so overwhelming that I was actually, I study a lot, it's like I get in the bathtub with my scripts and I'm reading and I'm on physical. More so than the iPad, I like the paper.

The paper, okay, see I'm an iPad girl. I want the actual paper, so I'm there trying to do the lines and I was so tired because it's like we filmed all week. Yeah. The whole weekend I was out promoting, so it's like I had no time to just wind down. Yeah. And I got in the tub trying to remember. I was like, I start crying. I said, I don't want to do this no more. Because I couldn't remember recall no lines. It's like my brain was so full that I said, it's not staying, it's not staying, I can't remember. He was like, well, this is how you do it. And David is the kind, he can read it twice. He knows everybody's stuff.

He's that guy, okay. He is that person. Well, he knows everybody's lines. Well, you have to catch yourself because he be doing like this. Oop, yeah. He's sitting on the side saying my lines with me and Roger Bob was like, stop it. He was like, what? He was like, you're actually saying her lines as she's saying them.

So he was like, I don't even realize it. But that to me was one of the biggest challenges for me is to when things kind of stacked up on top of each other. That's been like the hardest part for me and I was like I can't do it that way anymore. I gotta schedule things differently where I can think straight and concentrate on what is at hand. So in that way. Amazing. You mentioned that your mother had dementia. What I know is we get older, our parents almost becoming our children, like the roles reverse. And a lot of people don't talk about the weight that that carries when you

have to take care of your parent who's who can't remember things. What was that like and what are some things that maybe you can sow into people who are dealing with that now? That's good. First of all, you just have to really be patient with the person, with your mother. Like, because to say it is, like it is a reverse role of them becoming your, it's like you become the parent. But to me, it's like I pray for patience for it, but then there's a time that I had to ask God to help me. David helped me because I was crying a lot

because I was missing the connection that me and my mother had. And so it's like really it's a lot of patience and you have to take the help where help is because sometimes it's like you feel like well I felt like I was trying to do it even with coming in and out I was trying to do a lot of it on my own. And then sometimes when your family is not coming in to help, those things of just really being really patient and being patient with the person itself because it can get frustrating, especially if my mother was really easy, but I dealt with, because my first job was at a senior citizen home. Really? Yes, I was a nurse's aide.

Okay. So that kind of prepared me in the long run of what happens and I just remembered you got to be very loving. Remember that they're there. Don't forget about them. Don't forget about them because you have to make sure that you put an end time even though you have your life, your family, taking care of your family and all that. But it's really good to make sure that you put an end time, even though you have your life, you're taking care of your family and all that. But it's really good to make sure that that person just feels your presence. They may not even know you're there,

but you just talk to them as if they know. Cause it's like, I was kind of giving my mother play by play. We got to the point where we was buying our first home and I took her and I said, mama, cause she never owned a home. I was like, mama, I'm buying, we're buying a house and this is the house and she was just standing there like looking y'all like into the bliss.

But I was like, I just really hate that she couldn't be, it's really hard for me to talk about my mom because it really brings me to tears because as my career took off, that's when the Alzheimer's happened. And we were with Kirk Franklin and her family at the time singing. So it's like she didn't get to, after all the prayers,

she didn't get to see any of my career or the fruits of her labor, even her praying for me. So being patient with her and just trying to just wine and dine her as much as I could, I would just say, but it's really the patients. Really the patients and taking time to even go sit with them even though they don't know that you're there. They may not know who you are. It's really, to me, that's a big part.

And even the nurses state that that family still needs to come and check on their people. And that's something that, like I said, I learned early on. So it kind of prepared me for when that time came. And it came very important to me where I would come and visit with my mother. But I start visiting with other people. Really? Yeah.

That's beautiful. So just to let them know that they're not alone. Yeah, because a lot of people are there alone. They are. When they get sent to nursing homes. Yeah. So those are just, that's just a few, that's just a part of it,

but it is a very, very painful disease to see. Yes. Because it's like my mother's shell was in good shape, but for her mind to just be gone and she just sit there. She got to the point where it's like she wasn't talking, but it's like if you came this way, she would always move her mouth. Always move her mouth like you was about to feed her

every time. So it was just different things, but each person is different. So you have some people that snap back and they start talking, but they kind of seen me. That was my grandmother. So you just have to remember the person. Yes. And remember the moments, the precious moments and memories that you had with them beforehand. And he would bring things to

my remembrance and we would laugh about it and it helped it helped us be able to cope with it better. Right, that's beautiful. And yeah I know a lot of people deal with that so I definitely wanted to touch on that just see how we can help other people because sometimes people feel like they're alone in it yeah when they're the ones giving the care mm-hmm and you can feel very alone yeah no for sure well okay the reason you're here you have a new album yes live breathe fight I want it I'm an artist too I want to know what the creative process was like for this album this A new album, yes, Live, Breathe, Fight. I'm an artist too. I wanna know what the creative process

was like for this album. This process for me was, I kinda, it's funny, but I kinda like how Taylor Swift has talked about her life. This album, I talked about my life of like the different challenges that we were dealing with and facing. Like the first single working for me. Some lot of things was happening in the core of like my family and it put me in a different place that I never thought that I would

be in. And the enemy was just really raising his head up but I was determined not to be distracted because it's like right when we decided to do music but it's like every time it's time for me to release music. Yes! I mean like it's like right when we decided to do music, but it's like every time it's time for me to release music Yes! It's the craziest thing So it was really really hard So I had during the year I was like Lord What do we need to talk about and I just start taking out taking notes for the last year and a half

And I was just having little nuggets that I took to the producers to talk about and working for me It was like even though the Lord comforted me with saying even though you don't see me working. I'm working for you I'm working in your behalf and even one song all things It's another song that's on there that that the Lord is can do all things Yes, even though it may look crazy and rocky right now. It's like I was talking. Okay, he can do all things. Even though it may look crazy and rocky right now, it's like, I was talking, okay, he can do all things. Then we were talking about carry on is another title. Then it's talking about live.

Then the live, breathe and fight, it's like, even though it's happening to me, I gotta live, because heaven is my destiny. I've gotta breathe. I'm breathing every breath with purpose. And then I know I have a call, and I know I have a purpose. And then I know I have a call and I know I have a purpose. And then I'm fighting and I'm gonna fight till I get the victory. So the Lord was just like to me, this is stuff not only for me, but this could bless his people.

So it's like give me the direction of what to talk about. So live is like because a lot of, I've never seen it so much in our community that I have now with the mental space that a lot of us are in. It's been really, really heavy. And a lot of the songs are just talking. That's what I'm saying from the inside out, that I'm making sure that my mental space is good,

that I'm keeping, that I'm having peace of mind. So enough peace to just when I lay down at night that I can rest, that I'm having peace of mind. So enough peace to just when I lay down at night that I can rest, that I can rest in Him. And God has just really given us as a couple, even through the things, through the challenges that we were facing, like in the company, with the family, just different things that I'm with you. I have not forsaken you. That you know everything that you're asking for, I'm here. And it's like, as soon as some things change, it's like the Lord just start just stirring up just different things with things was just coming, working on my behalf. Yes.

In our favor, for our good. And I just, I'm just so excited about each of the songs. One song on there is called Big Facts. But what happened is the Lord was like, you have to examine yourself. Look in the mirror, take a look at yourself, face the facts about you. Because a lot of times, a lot of us are trying to say to other people, okay, well you need it, and you need it, when a lot of times

the work needs to begin with you. So the Lord let me know in this album, the process of it, to work on you, and then I can do the work around you. So just listen, just hear what's being said. A lot of times it's not always to respond, but just take your time in what your response gonna be, because a lot of times my response is like what I ain't did?

You know we just tend to just go there and the Lord has really given me gave me a lot of peace Even though I did a lot of weeping when I was recording it. I was crying just even talking the songs through. Yeah. Oh And you know, it's like but I gotta but I gotta finish. I gotta complete the work. Yeah, so. And you know it's like but I gotta but I gotta finish I gotta complete the work. Yeah. So it's just. It's been therapeutic. Yes, very therapeutic. So I think you know but but a lot of the responses it's out now and a lot of the response that I got back is people saying these songs feel like affirmation and it's really helping me. It's once one song is called Power. It's talking about the power of God. Yeah. That sometimes we forget if we cast our cares on him. He got all the power. Yes

He got he's in control. Mm-hmm So he's handling the things all the things that you're trying to do right and to trust him one song is Lord I trust you so each title is yes is hitting on Issues and situations that a lot of us are dealing with. Absolutely. So I came from a real place. You did, a real, real place. Taelin, thank you so much.

Guys, up next we have joining us, David Mann. Yes, my baby. See, that's who I've become. When we out, it's like, I'm not, I'm either Mr. Brown or Tamela's husband. That's so true. I'm okay with it. I'm fine with it. Either way, I get to be next to her. That's so true. I'm okay with it. I'm fine with it. Either way, I get to be next to her.

Yes, I love it. Thank you both for coming to join me. David, I know you and Tamela have a lot going on. You actually helped with her music. You helped with everything. You actually wanted to text me and said, hey, we need to get on Cuba Posit, sweetie. That's right. This man is everything. That's because I follow you. What my initial text was, how proud and how happy I am. You always let me know that. I'm just so happy because he couldn't happen to a better person. So then I was like, why don't we just bring Tam on? He's like, what?

I said, yeah, she'll come. So thank you for having me. Absolutely. No, I appreciate it. So I've known you both, I guess, personally since 2019, right before COVID hit, when Tyler was doing the farewell tour. Right.

And I was the costume designer for that, so that's when I really got to know you both. And actually it was before that. You didn't say much, you'd just be sitting there like this. But you still, it was still when you were doing wardrobes. I was still doing wardrobe, yeah. I hadn't even got in this. Just laying back in the cut.

Yeah, literally. See, that's what I like about you. You just laid back in the cut and waited your turn. Yeah. Waited, like when your time came, you were like, let's rock baby, let's rock. But what I love about you both is that you guys are exactly who you are on camera and in real life.

Cause you know, sometimes you meet people and it's like, dang. You disappointed. You wasn't who I thought you was. You mean. That happened to you too? Yes, oh my goodness. You too? Yeah.

When it happened to her big time, there was, well I won't say the name. You was just about to say it. I wasn't saying it. You better. I'm not gonna say the name. Don't say it. Well this one particular person, she grew up idolized.

Yeah. Wow. And so this is when we were with Kirk Franklin and the family we're doing our live recording. Yeah, they were one of the guests. This particular person is gonna be the special guest of our live recording. Did this girl say who? I didn't say who. Oh, I thought you said who. No, we're not gonna do it.

No, we keep it private, not messy. Okay. And so she was like so hyped and geeked and it's like oh my god I get to finally meet my idol. Oh my god hey! And it was like hey and she was devastated. So I think that's why we treat people like we treat you. You never know what a positive smile, a hug, a picture is gonna do for somebody. And so that's why we like we are. Oh man, I love it. So you two, like for me, y'all have pitted me a relationship goals. I just love y'all.

I had you on my live show, we talked about relationships. You guys were so transparent and funny. That was great. We had a ball. Yes, but I wanna dive more into your relationship and how you guys have withstood the test of time with the ebbs and flows

of relationships. I know I just, as an older woman, I talked to my parents and they're like, girl, yeah, we've been, I'm like, I thought it was perfect all the time. They're like, no. Yes, I wanna know like, what are some things you guys have gone through

and how you made it through those things? You know, I always tell people, yeah, we're loving, we're kind, we love each other and all that. But one thing we are most is we're a work in progress. Because we're a work in progress, we know that things are changing. She's not the same woman I married at 21. That's right.

I'm not the same man that she was at 21. We were babies. God, y'all were. Yeah. And so we understand, I understand she's not the same. Yeah, we did. We grew up with each other., we grew up with each other. We literally grew up with each other

because there were some times when we were like, you're not good, you're not a good person. You're not nice, you're not nice. And so we grew up with each other and I realized at 35 she was different, 45 she's different. We're 58 now, we're getting to ride and the result, we're now living the result of all of that. And so, how we survive in this industry is accountability.

A lot of times people don't have accountability. Simple accountability will take you a long way. Cause sometimes she'll check me like, babe. And when I do her, what I say? She'll say, Tamela man. They call my home. I'm like, oh. He was like, you shouldn't have.

And then I was like, oh, OK. And even like now, as we go in our late 50s, and we have a different challenge now menopause we realize like that's a thing you know there are some couples out there that that go yeah late in life that you say how somebody getting divorced 35 40 years into their marriage? That has to be it but I think what helped us David when I start you know he could see the change. When you start what? Going through the change. When you start what? Say it out your mouth. No. He was like, Tim, you go out, I was like, no, I'm not.

I'm not, but it's like, he actually sit and read up on and researched menopause. So he came back and he understood it more. And I think that's what happened with a lot of our friends that have divorced is the man didn't realize what the woman- That it's a real thing. That the woman- We think they just wanna be that way.

You just wanna act like- And you don't. No. It's such a crushing feeling, y'all. Cause it's like you could be happy, then all of a sudden it's like sadness, or it's almost like not just the heat that comes from it, but a sadness comes over your body. And it's like, you're really not, not because I'm like I was just fine I was in a good

mood. You could be sitting. I'm on the bottom of the floor. Yeah you could be sitting. The floor not floor. Y'all kissing and making love and then all of a sudden she pull a knife on you. No that's not. I'm not gonna say't say that, because people are gonna take you... I'm gonna stab you. No, I'm just kidding. I don't want nobody to say, tell a man, pull a knife on me. No, but it's just, but it's something, it's a roller coaster dealing with menopause. And the thing is, is we really don't talk about it a lot.

My first lady in my church, I was just with the praying. I was like, Lord, I gotta be before people, in front of people. People are approaching me in some days. Even my daughter, she was like, ooh, mama, if your eyes could burn, you'd set somebody on fire. We call her Meanie Queenie.

I was like, I say for real? She was like, yeah. Tell her your prayer now. Lord, make me sweet. Lord, make me sweet. Tell her your prayer now. Lord make me sweet. Just help me stay sweet. She wake up literally, Lord make me sweet. Lord just help me stay sweet. Cause I don't want, it's not, you know,

even for those who are watching today, it's like in case of a day come by and I don't greet you as nice. I just want us to know as women, just like when you have, you think having your monthly is rough. Menopause is say 10 times worse than that. Oh wow.

I mean not that I'm agreeing. I'm just agreeing with you. I'm in A-ma quality. But it is, we can be rough. And all of us deal with it different ways. I think it's bad now, like just when I'm like, having PMS. Yeah, but it's scary. You have to have somebody that understands because it's a, when she said I read up on

it, I literally read an entire book. Oh wow, you even educated yourself. On menopause, yes, because I understood that. On menopause, you said it right. I meant menopause, you got me saying menopause. I thought I was the only one that said it. Yeah, you thought it, menopause, you said it right. Menopause, you got me saying menopause. I thought I was going to win this thing.

Menopause. It's a chemical imbalance. It is, yeah. And I told her, and like I was telling her earlier today, I said, one of the worst things you could tell a woman with menopause is, you got menopause. Menopause, right. I ran me hot.

Her head spent completely red. My radiator overheated. He's like, what you not gonna do? Nobody got no menopause. You the one got menopause. My doctor told me I ain't in no. I said, well, your doctor ignorant and don't know what she talking about.

He's like, I see it. That is funny. I hit 42 on Friday. Oh, happy birthday. Thank you, but round 40, I started sweating sweating randomly like it was just like I would get hot and I carry this fan with me everywhere like cuz I get at any moment I can just like get hot I can get excited about something

to get warm and Tyler makes fun of me because I always have that fan and I'm always asking for ice yeah I was like I need a bucket of ice for my water to keep it ice cold and a fan at all They know But it's that's one thing see what that's that helps me because I didn't know the other people's ass But I'm asked if I and and well I think you said that yesterday, but I just need a cup of ice. So that is so true. So I'm not alone. You are not alone in this. We've definitely learned, we've had to learn especially in everything that comes with this business to make sure that we're solid, we're tight and because it's a lot of stuff coming. I mean you know you know in this game you know you have guys always trying to, you know,

what, look, why you looking? Trying to get in the DMs like, say, especially when you made it known that, you know, I'm single. I am, yeah. I'm a Christian girl. They play on that. Oh, they do. Oh, I'm looking for a nice, single Christian girl that loved the Lord.

Yeah, you look like the problems. And as Christians out here, you really got to be ready for, you know, stuff that goes on. She has prison ministries that be writing her, the prison guys. Oh, the prison boys. Oh my goodness. They love our shows. That's all they watch in prison. I was at the Minnesota game. I had to sing the anthem. I walked across the street and this guy had a mask on. He goes, Fatima? And I was like, yeah. And he goes, man, I used to watch you every week in prison.

I was like, what? God dog. Yeah, they talking about, you believe, they talking about how they wanna have the man? I'm like, let me tell you, you ain't going to, it's good. You ain't finna get none of it. Oh, I'm not supposed to say all this, am I? This is a safe safe, you're good. You ain't going to it's good You mentioned that we deal with a lot in this industry I know for me as a Christian woman

Navigating the industry and I'm pretty new in this space, but I know that there are deal breakers and boundaries that I have. As you guys have navigated it, what have been some deal breakers and some boundaries that you set for yourselves within the industry? Well, like me, because of, especially with being in gospel music and just trying to be an example, we're

not perfect, but you know, some things like have been presented to us like in a script like what they want us to curse. And I was like, that's not, that's just not where I'm going. I can't say that for anyone else. Yeah. So you don't curse at all, Tam? Huh? You don't say no curse words?

Uh-uh. That is so good. Nigga is my cousin. That's it. That's it. That's my favorite word. You don't be me. You know what I've said for years. Tyler have tried to get me, he was like, Tam.

Just cuss him out. You trying to tell me you don't. You don't never cuss him out. Y'all ain't never cussed each other out when y'all got. I was like, no. I was like, no, Tyler, we don't talk to each other like that. That is beautiful. But when I was younger, between 18, 20, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, cussing not because I'm so holy and all that. My mama used to cuss a lot so I just never been a cussing.

That is so good. Like you would probably go be around me years and never hear me cuss. That is amazing. But and so I didn't like ladies that just a lot of cussing. But I was good at it though. For them two years. I know how to put them together. Listen. And I mean put them together right. Did you know how to fight? I didn't have to, I had brothers. The answer is no. I didn't have to fight. You can't fight, Tam. No, we're fighting our battles.

You can say it, but you can't fight. But I didn't, I just never was a, I mean after that, in our relationship, now I mean, I have said a couple words when my my just talking to my kids saying they was like mommy you don't know how just jokingly yes I do it was like let me hear you that's so sad for somebody just won't you Tyler Perry just won't me to just cuss you like come on town you mean y'all don't cuss each other out this way

come on town oh man yeah give me one yeah give me one tell I was like, come on, tell me. You mean y'all don't cuss each other. He man-cusses me. Come on, tell me. Oh, man. Yeah, give me one. That is hilarious. Give me one, tell me. I was like, no. Yeah, my boundary is nudity. Like, that's one thing I just won't.

Like, there's certain body parts I'm not willing to show. Yeah, that is for everybody to see. Yeah, but I will cuss. Yes, yes, yes. Look, yes. You will cuss. I will cuss. I got a cussing spirit.

I got a work on. He's still working on you. I'm stilluss. I got a cussing spirit. I got a white collar. He's still working on me. I'm still working. He's still working on me. Well now, that don't make me better than you because I don't cuss. Let me tell you what. Here we all got our things. No. I will fight. He said but I will fight you. He will. I'll punch a nigga in the face in a minute. He'll fight. But I'm working on it. I have to pray for him. The Lord is working on me. He does. See just because I don't do that don't mean I don't have something against Jesus. Can we say that again? Yeah. Because we look I feel like our the Christian community will judge you.

We make certain sins worse than others. Just because I don't. But they sin to sin. That's all. You ain't gonna go to jail for doing that. I can go to jail for mine. So I've learned to just put these hands on in my pocket and just be like this. That is hilarious. You know, we just all have to calm ourselves. Yeah. But you know when. Yes.

That's my thing is it's like some people like, I just can't stop. I'll say, yes you can. Yes you can. Because you really know sometimes what certain places that you're at, it don't even come. It don't even come. Oh, you're right.

But then there are certain places you step and you be like, ba-ba-ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- Like I would if somebody was 5'11". Maybe. No, I wouldn't. You say, no, I would not. Pick your battles. You know when. That's right. That's right. But that is good. You know what I love about you two?

That you guys can laugh and be serious. I've seen you both working and focused, but I love how you guys can laugh. Are there moments you said sometimes he just do too much or too? He do too much. David, it's hard for me to be mad at him. I can imagine.

Because he'll she'll manage she get I do and I just want to go just I don't get mad at her about for the record yeah right I don't get mad you're lying just you straight up you straight up line cuz you do I'll be telling my so you do get mad at me I know you get upset we not mad but maybe you get upset with me. Because you just tell me. When did you hear me get mad? When did you see me get mad?

With your attitude, you should do, because your eyes will get red, and it's like you're kind of going to like, I ain't saying nothing. I ain't saying nothing. I'll just do like this. I'm not saying anything to you now. I'm nothing.

But I'll never be like, I'm gonna do this. No, you don't do that, but you just go into the come like, okay, I'm just, that's upset though. Collect yourself. But that's upset. Me no speak at the end. Come on, let me hear you say it. I'm gonna do like you be doing me, let me hear you say it.

Yeah. You be upset. Never get mad at you, no. You do. But I do get upset with him and I'll just be like. Oh, she can let me have it. I'll be like, let me get my me time. When when that menopause kicked in we riding in the car one time and We ride the car and you know the whole yelling thing

You're gonna yell at me. We can't talk. We're not gonna communicate. It's just not the way we communicate. Yeah, well she going out If you're gonna yell at me, we're not talking. And why are you yelling? She gave the dumbest excuse ever known to man. It was not dumb. It was there. She said, I'm yelling at you because I'm a soprano. She knew at the time. That was a dumb answer.

She gonna stop. Now. You knew it was a dumb answer, she gonna stop. Now! You knew it was done when you came up to me. I meant it though, I meant it. You can just yell out loud in the business. Yeah, I was at the top, I was at the top of my range. Why are you yelling? Cause I'm a survivor. I can give you loud of me.

Well I'm gonna be quiet because I'm a tenner. Yes, that is so funny. We have some good times though. You know, our journey, we've had rough patches, but our journey, he's made me happier than he's made me sad. So it's really been a wonderful ride. You know, we are a work in progress, but our job and our call is to, we know, is to hang tight, hang

together and to just show other people that we can do this thing. Right. We know that's what we're called to do. And it's like that is what we're working toward to not be perfect, but to just give encouragement that it can happen and you can be happy in this thing. And even when those times come, how to recover? Because we've had to recover.

There's been some times when it's like, wow, this is shaky. I want to talk about that because a lot of times I feel like we fantasize and glamorize relationships like yours where we're like, oh my God, that's exactly what I want, but we don't know how to recover when things get, because it's gonna happen. Things are gonna get shaky. Can you like share a moment where you had to really recover from something?

I want a relationship that, well, one point that we talk about is one of our daughters, we didn't find out that she was ours till she was five years old. So when David- daughters, we didn't find out that she was ours till she was five years old. So when David... That was a really hard point in our marriage. But we had been married, but I knew of the girl... Let me get, because we shared this on the breakfast club, somebody say he cheated on her. This was before we got married. Because you know people

would still go back and only go to some part of it. Before we made our commitment. Yes. So it is so funny, but that was really the hardest because our relationship, we're a blended family. We have two together. He had two, he say, from a previous argument. Okay, from a previous argument. But it wasn't an argument. They were supposed to be together.

And we raised my niece. So when he came and told me, because they came and served him papers, that he had to go to court and all that kind of stuff So when he found out he told me and I was like, I don't know Because the you know, the first baby we we've been best friends. We started out friends Yeah, I was there at the hospital with him when she was born I mean stayed the whole 21 hours with him now my she wasn't my girlfriend She was my friend who was there, just happened to be with me. We were singing together.

People got it so mixed up. And they'll do that. Just go, I told you, go read the book, Us Against the World, and you'll get all of this story. Each part. But the thing is, I loved him. I sit there as a friend. And then once we got married and he came with the news

about the second daughter, I was like, I don't know if I can do this. And you know, the mama was not the best. I'm just gonna be honest, we wasn't in like the best of friends, even though I knew her, even before he knew her, I knew her. And it's because we were all young, trying to figure out all of this.

Yeah, I lived in the same neighborhoods. It's just funny how life goes, how even you can be knowing the same people and not even know that that person was connected to that person. Yes, absolutely. So that's kind of how that happened. But it was really rough for me to accept her at the moment. And that's because when you back up, It was really rough for me to accept her at the moment.

And that's because when you back up, her deal was when she got married, she said, I want a guy, don't have any kids. Yeah. And then- Cause I didn't want her to be dealing with that. Yeah. And so I had one. Yeah, that she was- And then she go to work and come back home.

With another one. From work. Come on now. With another one. Work. Come on now. I got us another baby while you were at work. She already big and potty trained. It's like, what? What is he doing? And just that was a moment in our marriage

where it's like, one of my biggest fears in life, one of my biggest fears in life is losing my family. And so for her to say, I'm not going to be able to do this, sent me into like a tailspin of like, oh my God. He says, you just going to leave me? So and then he sent me down and he started talking to me and he was like, I just want you to know that it's always, he did the thing like this where he separated, so he was like, it's me and you, and then it's them.

It's everybody else. So he said, I'll never put you out there where you have to make the decision or I'm gonna make the decision, it's them over you. He says, always gonna be us and then them. Yeah. I love that. So by him reassuring me, just for those, the listeners and watchers, he reassured me

that I was his number one. Yeah. And that has always gave me comfort and he's always done that. Yeah. He's never showed me anything different. He's, the same love has always been there and if anything went down with the girls and their moms,

he was like, you ain't gotta talk to me, you need to talk to Tam. Yeah, I tell you, you know what it's like. It's like he was all, we were involved in every step. And just so people don't get it twisted, because I know some people I read in the comments got it twisted, it's like that my daughters were, you know. No, because that was, I was fine with the kid

because the kid didn't ask to be here. I know the order of this because my daughters, they're gone and with their own families. And if we haven't been a solid force and been a force that were together, then that thing would have broken up. And guess who would have been by the self? Daddy.

So I had to make sure we were solid before we could even deal with those situations. So yeah, so it wasn't that my daughters, oh, he picked this, he picked all of his kids. No, I just made sure I know the divine order that God wanted. I made sure that we were together, then I could be a part of it.

And he handled it in that order. That's good. So that's one of the great hard part, a hard one for us. And even when it came to, if I can say this quickly, I know we're moving. When it came to the parents I can say this quickly, I know we're moving, when it came to the parents, cause sometimes when a lady, when a girl marries a man

and then he has his mom, sometimes with the mom, she feels like you taking a son with her. So he had to even establish that. Yeah, that's a real thing. Oh, that's a real thing. That happens in real life. And he stood in place, he was like, look mama, you were the first woman in my life, she's the last lady in real life. And he stood in place, he was like, look mama, you were the first woman in my life,

she's the last lady in my life. So it's like, he has really made everybody understand where our positioning is. Yes. Without picking and choosing. And without you having to do it. Yeah. A lot of times women can feel alone in that.

Yeah. When a man doesn't step up and say, hey, she's my number one. This is my priority, everything else has to fall in line. I'm gonna be there to take care of you. You don't know, but this is mine. That is something really with me in that we got to bridge that gap.

Yeah, drop that right there. And address. We got to bridge the gap and address it. It's not going anywhere. She's not going anywhere. Mommy's not going anywhere. So like she said, I literally said, listen, both of y'all, don't you say nothing to me about her. Don't you say nothing to me.

She's the first woman that was in my life and this is gonna be the last woman in my life. Y'all gonna have to figure this out. Now fight it out. No, that's not what I said. Let him play. No, and they kind of like, wow, okay, let's figure this out. Yeah. So that's good. Cause neither one didn't want to lose you either. No. That's real. No, and they kind of like, wow, okay, let's figure this out.

Yeah, because neither one of them wanted to lose you either. No, right. That's real. Yeah, I love that. Now you guys are together a lot, and I like my space, so I want to know, how do y'all find time, because you're always together, do you need alone time or y'all just love being around each other? I do.

She needs to climb away from me sometimes. Yeah, because I go get my nails done done or I just go shopping or something. But I do. I have to have it. He says he doesn't. Because David is a homebody. But me, I'll take off. He was like, where you going? I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. I'll be right here when you get back. He'll say, I'll be here when you get back.

So I do do the separation thing for a minute to just go through my nails, feet, you know hair, whatever. You said I'm a lot sometimes. He can be. You can be a lot too. I'm gone. No. But it's to the degree of not, it's not overwhelming. But I just want that time just for myself to gather my own thoughts.

Even sometimes I'll go maybe sit in a tub for two hours. It's just, I just go in there, I want it dark, and I just want it to be me. But we have to hear from each other. Every two hours. Every two hours. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I have to know that you're good.

Okay, you're good. All right, bye, go and do your thing. And if I miss it, he'd be like, oh. What's the problem? Two hours. Check in. It's just to it, he be like, oh. What's the problem? Tough. Two hours. Check in. It's just to know that you're good, you're okay.

Are you all right? That's it. I'm with that because I do feel like sometimes, like if I'm dating someone and they don't check on me, it's like, at least just know that I'm okay. Like if we haven't gotten to talk because we're busy, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, at least like make sure I'm good.

Cause anything can happen. You know? Yeah, you just never know. I like that two hours. And make sure we're each, we're each, everywhere, you know, depending on, you know, to make sure, in case if something happened, I know where to start looking for you,

or I know where she says she was gonna be, so she should be in this vicinity, you know? Like for me, I don't, and I just recently started doing the, my self-time. When I went to therapy, that was one of the first things he said. One of the first things that you have to learn to do. When he said this, I was like, what?

He said, you gotta learn to be more selfish. And I was like, huh? Selfish? I said, selfish? I can't be selfish? He said, you got to learn to be more selfish. You've given yourself to so many people, you don't have anything else to give.

And I was like, well, how am I going to be selfish? And you know, the weirdest thing, I went to Chick-fil-A that day, and I used to get my food to go so I can go. And I sit at the table and I call her like a little kid, I'm eating by myself. I'm eating alone. I'm growing up. And it's just, I'm growing up. And it's just, I had to learn, we bought this place

and I went out and spent the night by myself. Now that's a big thing. I've never stayed by myself. And so it was a big thing for me to go out and spend the night by myself. And I was like. We bought a ranch. It's like his getaway place.

That's amazing. And I was like, okay, that's enough. You need to come bring this warm flesh back by daddy. Come on, bring me that. I can't do it. I can't do it too long. Yeah, that's so good. You touched on therapy and mental health is something I love to talk about.

I just started therapy. I started during COVID and I wasn't taking it serious because I didn't really trust the therapist. So I wasn't being honest with her. So I'm like, this isn't working. And then I tried it again and I started opening up and it really started helping. Was it another therapist? It's a second, it was a different lady.

Okay. Yeah, that really made me feel safe. And I think that's what a lot of people, we need to realize you may not be comfortable with that person after you get there. You don't have to stay. Yeah. You can pick and choose where you want to go.

It's like dating. Right. Yeah, without all the, you know what I'm saying? But it is very intimate because you're like telling them everything. But like, at what point did you realize, you know, I do need to go talk to somebody? Because a lot of us, especially as we get older,

we get more stuck in our ways. We don't feel like we need to talk to anyone if I can get it figured out. At one point where you guys like, you know what, I do need to talk to somebody. I think for me, when I found myself, and after COVID, I had given so much of myself. And mine wasn't the usual suspects,

the reason I found myself. You know, usual suspects is finances, and your marriage is in trouble. We were in the strongest place that we've been. But I had given so much, I made sure she was good. Make sure the kids was good. Make sure my mom, make sure everybody was around me was good. And I'll sit and look one day and say, what have you done for you? And I, you know, when you have to start like, well, you know, I bought a truck. He's like, you didn't do

nothing for yourself. And so I went and sat and like I say, he was just like, you have got to take care of you. And I finally broke down and told her I said look I think I'm depressed. You notice I'm sitting in my office and I couldn't even create. Usually I'm creating something for something else and just putting you know and I couldn't. In my break, I was just blocked, and I finally told her, and it was just like, first of all, telling her was a big relief. Yeah. And it was just like.

But it was crushing for me. I can imagine. Because I was like, the reason why I say crushing, guys, is I didn't notice it, I didn't see it. It's like I kept asking him, is he okay? Yeah. And David's answer is, I was, I'm cool. I gave you the generic answer. I'm cool. I'm cool, I'm good, I'm good, cool and good.

So I'm like, you sure? Yeah, I'm good. So it's like, I said, I was asking you and you kept telling me you were good. I said, why not just tell me then? But he was like, because that's the answer Superman gives. Yes, I'm good. I'm good. I got the cape on, I'm good. Just leave my cape alone and let me do what I do, you know? And then I didn't see that, that I didn't see through that he wasn't okay. So that made me really weep and really just, I just

start asking for forgiveness because I was like, I missed it. And I mean, you know, God forbid you just did something to yourself. And I didn't, I didn't see it. And I mean, you know, God forbid, you just did something to yourself. And I didn't see it. So my thing is now, y'all, if somebody or you feel like they're not in that place, just don't be afraid to just go back and double check. Go back and double check on that person because they really may need to get that hug

or to just have you just sit there and just listen to them. It's not right, you will be surprised what a hug just like a minute will do. We do that. Really? Like, oh, we just sit and just hold each other. Don't say anything, it's just a hug. And I told you, I'm hugging you,

that makes me choke up. I'm hugging you with my heart. And once I started doing that, I was just like, hey. You're gonna let me cry. Yeah, I sit and I actually hug. And doing that, you will be surprised. It's like the weight falls off your body. It's like you can actually feel the weight.

You know how sometimes if you get a good cry out, it's like you can actually feel the way it's not you know how sometimes if you get a good cry out Yes, it's like you feel ten pounds lighter Mm-hmm if a hug does the same thing and sometimes some people be like I don't want one But they really they really do they do they need it. Yeah, they do need it Yeah, my therapist tells me she goes when you get in the shower in the morning. She's like take time to hug yourself Oh, yeah in the morning, she's like, take time to hug yourself. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. Cause she's like, a lot of times we don't love on ourselves

because we're so busy loving on everyone else. So that's something I try to take a few minutes, or not a minute, but like a few moments to really just sit in like, I love you. You're good. I love you, Samantha. And it's just, that's, you know, once I realized and just found a safe space

and my therapist, I often asked him, I pay you to talk to me like this? Why you gotta talk to me like this? I'm paying you. Yeah. But you gotta have a therapist that's gonna be honest with you. Absolutely. You know, he was telling me,

part of your family's problem is you. And I was like, I ain't coming back. I don't wanna hear this. I don't wanna, I gotta pay to hear this. But he was right. Part of the problem with me is I'm a fixer. Sometimes she don't need me to fix it. She just need me to listen.

But she has to be careful what she says out of her mouth because the minute she says it, I'm gone. Yeah, I love that. I was like, well, I just was mentioning something. I did not necessarily make it come to fruition. Not too fast. Oh, so you didn't want a new car? You said a new car.

No, I'm not taking that. I'm taking that. I want it. That ain't what I meant. But I thank God for him. And that's, I think also what really gripped my heart is cause David notices, I'm not gonna cry, everything about me, everything. And I miss it so much.

I just, I keep saying, okay, I'm gonna pay attention. He can go shave and he'll come back. He say, you notice something? Good night? No? He'll shave and he'll come back and say, you notice something? You're like, no. You mean to tell me you don't see I shaved that full beard off. I'm like, dang, Tam, you messed up again. But he notices everything.

I could change your eyebrow. He'd be like, oh, I just see why you drew that on there. You kind of put a swerve on it this time, didn't you? Is that new perfume? He knows everything. And it's like, I say this because you knows it. I know, I know. But it's just, it hurts my feelings.

That you don't know it. Because I'm not as alert as him. But I'm like, I say that, maybe it's just not my character. But I'm not as alert as him. But I'm like, I said that maybe it's just not my character, but I'm just trying to do. I think when it comes to relationships, y'all, we just need to always do better with each other. And I know that that's something that I'm working on, even with communicating.

He's always been the great and over communicator, and I haven't always been, but this last couple years. Ooh, boy. Once she kicked in. He'd tell me, oh, you're kind of loquacious. I'd say, you're very loquacious. Go look it up. Look up loquacious.

It means talkative. Very talkative. Yeah. So I was like, I saw him today, huh? But I'm just trying, I want to, like I told him, even when it comes to the artistry, and even when it comes to being his wife and his friend, I just want to do better. I just want to be better as a friend, as a mother,

an aunt, I just, I know we can't catch everything with everybody, but I just want to do better. That's why when it comes to being sweet, help me to be good, Lord, and not just to be able to help somebody, you know, just whenever that time is to be able to catch it. Yeah, I love that. Guys, thank you so much for coming to sit with me. Thank you for sitting with us. No, for sure. I'm sorry she was so low-quiet. Before I let you go, I know you guys have some things coming up. Live, Breathe, Fight is out now. We also have Mama Man's Kitchen. Is there anything else we can talk about?

Mama Man's Kitchen is on YouTube, our Man TV channel guys. And you can go to Tamalaman.com for the actual, the shapewear. And I also have it where you can get the CD there. So if you want a physical copy, Tamalaman.com. Go check us out, y'all. I promise you this album, I know you may love Take Me to the King, but it's some stuff on here that I promise you that'll be right there with you. Listen to the power of Jesus. Listen to the power,

the song Power of Jesus gets me every time. And this other song is called You Deserve to Win. Yeah. Deserve to win, quit fighting yourself and thinking that you're not good enough and that you don't deserve it because you deserve to win. If you put the time in, you don't put the work in, you deserve to have some good things. You deserve to have peace of mind in your heart, your spirit, and your body. So you deserve to win. I love that. You deserve it. God bless you. God bless you. Love more, judge less. Thank you.

Oh I love y'all. Thank you so much. David and Tamela never disappoint when it comes to dropping gems. One thing they broke down that really resonated was when they were talking about their relationship and when they were having troubles. David put his fingers up and he said, Tam when it comes to us, it's us and then everyone else. And I think that is so poignant in relationships that when you are together and it seems like everything is coming against you, you have to put the two of you first. Time for us when you're having fun and it certainly flew by today. Thank you guys so much for being a part of such an important and encouraging conversation

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