Kitbag Conversations - Episode 37: Sino Talk

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

In this episode we talk about China, Evergrande, the Chinese in social sphere and

《天空》 詞曲 李宗盛初時後 萬丈陽光照耀你我 真情像梅花開過 冷冷 冰雪不能淹沒沿沫就在墜落 枝头沾发 看见春天走向你我 雪花飘飘 被风消消 I refuse to stop. You were actually episode two of the show. I refuse to stop.

You were actually episode two and since then you've grown into like a professional dungeon master who runs a war game. You wrote for lethal minds and now you're over at Atlas. So you've got a lot to talk about where you want to start and China. It changed. So where do you want to start? Yeah, man, I mean, we could start. I guess let's start with the let's start with the elephant in the room about with Atlas, I guess. Yeah, so I'm, yeah. So I've moved from lethal minds to Atlas and I am their endocrinic

best chief now. Nice. Good for you. Thanks, man. Thank you. Thank you. You just like beat up interns and like tell them to get you hot coffee. Are you like planning a McMahon takeover? You're going to start like physically shitting on them? Are you going full Leonardo

and like Wolf of Wall Street just fuck it. This is awful. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like a little dartboard or shit. No, I'm not going that crazy. I mean, I have to like, obviously don't treat the interns like, like fast. Yeah. But now like I have some I have some intern one intern that helps me and then hopefully we'll get some more people to build off the end of Pacific desk. Cool. Hopefully. And it's all remote, right? Like you guys aren't like setting up like a physical location or anything and buying out Amazon warehouses or something.

Nah, it's all remote, dude. I mean, it'd be cool if we had like a physical location, but... Well, I thought they do. It's in like... Right now. It's in like taxes or something. Or is that just where he lives? Well, I mean, the one I understand like most of the most of the most of the team lives in the DFW

right now is Fort Worth area. And so I guess you consider that's like their. That's the mother ship location. So yeah. Yeah. Nice. That's awesome, man. And the location. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. That's awesome, man. So, if you're doing that, you've got your own page, you've got your sub-stack.

You're a busy guy, especially China. I mean, you got to keep up with all that as well. It's changing a lot as we watch it. They're watching and learning from Russia. They're trying to play the economic game. Evergrande's blowing up like it's just a bad day to be China right now. Dude, it's it's funny as shit. Like whenever when I was reading,

whenever I was writing the Evergrande article, that's I was like, there is no way this is going to go well for them. Like no matter what, they have to they have to eat the shit sandwich, no matter where, no matter whatever conniving thing they want to do, they have to eat the shit sandwich. Yeah. I mean, I have my theories about it, and that's what I was going to talk to you about it the other night when I saw that you're post about it and it's right. There is a shit sandwich to eat.

There's billions of dollars in lenders out there. I think the biggest lender was, I mean, outside of the Chinese people, I should say, outside of the Chinese investors, some of the biggest investors were American and Canadian banks. And so I was like, man, are they just going to tell the Bank of Canada or UBS or any of these guys? Like, no, we're not going to pay and China's not going to make us. So just eat shit and live. And so it's like, how do you think they're going to liquidate it? Or how do you think they're going to handle the situation? They're going to try to restructure it, but they...

They don't. Yeah, no, like, no, because this is the thing. Is that they've, what a lot of people don't realize is that Alvin, Alvarez and Mosul, the re-management company that became the licorice was at the company. Yeah. They were actually tasked with trying to do this unofficially before. Yeah. And they were trying to offload a lot of the assets in Hong Kong. But no one wants them. Yeah. Like people like they even reduce price on like

Evergrande's H Hong Kong building. And no one has bought it yet. And so that's like, yeah, I mean, like it's, it's one of those things in which no one wants a 30, $30 million plus building at Hong Kong. No one wants it. Yeah. So for those that don't know about Evergrande and all, what is it, Country Gardens and a lot of these big name developers. So what are, I don't remember the three things that it is. It's like China has these three things that they grade private companies on. It's like debt to income ratio, liquidity, and something else. It's like a PowerPoint. They have to brief the CCP. It's like the three golden dragons or whatever you

want to call it. I don't remember, but you'll correct me as I hear you typing. but you'll correct me as I hear you typing. You're good. No, it's good. It's good. Jamie pulled that up. Essentially, what Evergrande was doing was they were fudging the numbers and they were also doing a little bit of constructive powerpointing. They made the gap between their debt to income ratio look wider than it was. And so the gap between where they were and where they should have been was wider. So it was like, yeah, there's a whole 5 billion worth of... We're within 2% of the goal on debt to income ratio, but it was like that 2% was represented

by $800 billion. It was just like what you thought on the PowerPoint was like two feet of space for them was actually like minuscule inches. And so they were lying to the CCP and the CCP wasn't cracking down on them and paying attention to them. And so it got out of hand, they were forced to liquidate as me and Sina are talking about it. And then also a lot of investors started pulling their money out because they found out that like all things Chinese, it's built like shit. And so it was a Ponzi scheme, really. And so now it's all falling apart. And yeah, the Chinese people can't pull their money out. But like I was just saying, Evergrande, who is a, they build things, right? Like,

there are many things, but I think the primary thing that they do is they build apartment buildings and stuff like that. And so, but they've got yachts, they had helicopters, they had all this shit. And I mean, when I say shit, like Sino is saying, like a $30 million building in Hong Kong, and it's like they are, their debt to income ratio was so trash and their interest payments are so high, they couldn't even afford the interest payments. They're screwed. It does two things. One, you don't know the assets on the books if they're, or actually, I should say three things about this. One, as Sino and I are laughing about this shit sandwich, one of the things that you should pay attention

to is they're lying so fucking much that as this Hong Kong company who's being forced to liquidate them, now they have the authority to liquidate them. They're lying so fucking much that as this Hong Kong company who's being forced to liquidate them, now they have the authority to liquidate them. They're pulling apart the books and assets that should exist probably don't exist and then liabilities are drastically underreported. They're probably finding debt behind every door. They're probably finding IOUs and money and debt, debt, debt, and probably other companies. The second thing I would say is, the longer they wait, we know that Evergrande's got to pay out now. They got to liquidate, so everything's going to be cheaper. So if you just wait, you don't have to buy a $30

million building. Maybe you could buy a $7 million building. But then finally is the, as Zeno is saying, the shit sandwich has to pay, but it's a matter of who's going to get what and who the debtors are outside of China. Are they going to pay and stuff like that? So the best way to explain it is that it is a turd sandwich wrapped in a shit cake in a diarrhea bag. It's just like shit wrapped in shit and wrapped in shit. I can actually get a little more intricate that way when you go down to the actual individual Chinese civilian where the way their organization is set up, where if you're a single guy,

you can have either a house or an apartment which is built by these organizations. But if you get married, you have to liquidate your assets and move into one building. So what the Chinese people are doing in order to make some money is they're becoming like forever partners

They're not getting married. They're leasing out one of the rooms or their house or their apartment and then moving in together So they can rent it out. So it's almost like capitalism is crushing the system in that aspect because now you have all these buildings were It's just being flooded. It's not working. I'll talk about the the ghost cities here in a little bit But we'll see the thing about that is that you bring up a good point is a lot of Chinese people buy houses because they see it as a good way to park generate wealth like rent, rent, and then also flip a house if they need to Etc because that's legitimately the only

Look, it's literally the only legitimate option for Chinese people to grow their money well before 2021 or 2022 And so that's the reason why internally, um, you've seen a lot of people buy houses during the, during the 2008 housing crisis in China, because that was one of the ways that they've actually got out of the crisis, their own version of the crisis, that when it spread to the government decided this is going to cause a bubble, we should just let the China, we should really let Chinese people go out in the world and go buy up other stuff, go mess up, go mess up Vancouver's housing market go increase it go go go and you know, that's essentially what it is and

And so what so right now And so in 2021 I believe the Chinese government actually tapped down on a lot of the Evergrande's country gardens saying that you need to have liquidity to back up these loans because they seemed to be riding on the wall. That maybe we shouldn't be so loose and fast with these loans to these companies who are building a lot of housing, but not finishing them.

And then as soon as they did that, that's whenever they literally started a ball or tipped a domino piece, that ultimately led to where we are today. I know from speaking from the Midwest, you could talk about the quality or health of your economy based on if the Trains and railways are actually being utilized. And so if you're talking about the only being used once a day of that like that's an indication in itself

Well, the funny thing about that the funny thing about that Matt is you have to understand is a Lot of economicist, financial advisors, analysts, they, we use what's called the Li Ketrong model to see how the, to see how the Chinese economy is doing month by month because and this is where the name actually come from is come from the former Chinese Premier Li Kechang actually pointed this out I want to say I want to say Laonin province but um he But he in an interview he said that yeah, I don't really trust the government statistics They're wrong. We know they're wrong

And so what I do is that I look at what there were way pretty how much freight is being moved on the roadways How much electricity is being moved on the roadways, how much electricity is being used by the companies, the manufacturing orders. And he looks at that to see how the economy is really doing because China can't really fudge those numbers because they can't. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they can't. As much as they would like to try to, they can't. And so, I mean, but that just comes back to it, right? And I mean, what do you do with these people? I people? Because right now, I'm sure everybody's looking at Evergrande and Country Gardens. They're like, okay, so all these American, Canadian,

I think there's some British banks that are in there for a couple of mil, maybe a couple billion as well, total. And it's like, what do you do with these guys? Do you tell them? Like, all right, like you're saying, like, why the fuck did you trust the Chinese? Why were you handing out million billion dollar loans? Or does the Chinese government pay up? Do they cover? And I mean, this goes down to the fact that like we're kind of past the, you know, okay, so Evergrande's fallen now what?

And then what? As we say, it's like, okay, who's going to pay these banks? And who's going to assume this debt? Because I know UBS just absorbed a bank. UBS just bought a failing bank. And they're like, nope, we're done. We're done with that because they got a bunch of stuff that were on the bank's secret side. So UBS absorbed some secret debt. And they immediately, now they're saying, nope, no more. And so there's a lot of, now it's the speculation of, the fallout is just going to start, as you're saying. But I mean, it goes back to off this

model, who's fucking responsible? Is it the banks or is it the, who takes the fall? Well, that's what I pointed out in the articles that the government, the government is in a paradox. It's just shamets. Like they don't want to, one, they don't want to, they don't want to accept any responsibility for these banks because they know if they do that as literally opening Pandora's box for them to accept a debt to help out bailout any of the other indebted entities, Chinese entities. Now, when I say entities, I'm talking about Chinese, of the tech industry, other real estate developers

that did the same thing, but on a massively smaller scale, all the way to the indebted local governments down to the city slash municipal level. Yeah. So where does the line end? Or where does it end? Because they're going to have to be losers in this. Yeah. Now, yeah. So trans like that type of information to their own people. Like how do they regulate that type of information trickling down if they Like how do they regulate that type of information trickling down if they don't have so much of a like freedom repressed type of situation?

They don't. They don't. They don't really like to say that this is known. But there's been rumblings on Chinese social media like WeBao, WeChat, there's been rumblings on so Chinese social media like WeBow, WeChat, Dillion about how sucky the economic situation or how sucky this situation is. Because you have people literally filming from like trail story high buildings, look at complaining on Dillion as they bring up buckets of water up trout flights of stairs. Yeah. That's that's it's we all we all can laugh. But yeah, that's that's what's that's what's going on right now in these little cities.

Like you haven't been in that position where your life sucks that much and you're like, yeah, I know that feeling. Like, yeah, exactly. Bro, just smoke a red. You're good. Yeah. Right. Just smoke the Chinese version of red and you, you know, crank one out and you'll be

good. Yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, it is good. Sorry. No, no, no, no, you're fine. And then there's also another reason why The Chinese Ministry of State Security This is also gonna be another article that I'm That I'm gonna be writing tonight

Release the series release a series of directives saying that The Chinese people shouldn't be going on social media and bound out through the economy. Okay. They literally said that in a WeChat post. So to give you a comparison, it would be like the CIA or MI6 saying, or going on like Twitter or Instagram saying, hey, you should be talking bad about the United States or the British economy because, oh, else. That tells me that China's going to bite the bullet on this.

I mean, like you're saying, if they're not going to open Pandora's box to bailouts, which good on them, if they're going to gut it, then that puts them in the position that, I mean, for the short term, it's going to suck. It is going to, like we're saying, you're going to be carrying water up 12 flights of stairs and it's going to fucking suck. But on the flip side of that, what you have is they don't devalue their currency. But from what I have just heard, they just produced a shit ton of currency as well to keep cash and the economy moving and flowing. So I mean, like you're saying, it's just a shit sandwich either way, even with or without a bailout.

I mean, either way, people, they're going to be winners and losers. And I, in irregulars of who wins, if you want to call it a win in this situation, some people lost their life savings. Yep. Yeah, so because people, I mean, yeah, you have people who don't even have, yeah, I mean, people like, they're not ever going to finish these buildings, these projects, they're never going to be done. It's cost almost half a trillion dollars, 450 billion dollars to be exact for these projects to be done in China. There's no way in

which the Chinese government is going to be willing to flip the bill for that, or at least for all of it. They may say, they may say, yeah, well, we'll inject more equity into the economy to make sure, you know, it stays afloat, but that doesn't help. Like you're just kicking the can down the road, guys you have to handle this if not. Yeah, the second hand, if people are gonna be under a military. I mean, honestly, I don't think there will be any second level effects on their military per se. If it does get bad enough to where, you know, they would have to deploy, let's just say like the worst case scenario happens that for the CCP is that this causes a lot of social unrest. I wouldn't be too surprised if the PLA if the

CCP would look at the PLA and think to themselves, can we really trust these people? Because Tiananmen Square showed them that they had to be careful about who they can trust. You have to remember that. Tiananmen Square was literally the only time where the CCP actually Feared losing power not during the Malistera not during you know in the aftermath but during tenement Square and It's because the PLA Were not some of the units were not following orders And so I think that's one of the reasons why,

so I think that's one of the reasons why they'll more rely on the PAP, the People's Armed Police, to actually go in and put those, and put any unrest down. Now, what would senior PLA commanders think about that? That's the question. Because, again, they're other people's liberation army. They're the people's army, as Wenjin all argued. They're intended. Shouldn't we listen to these people instead of shooting them? Yeah, I mean, that's a they're they're like you're saying this is a shit sandwich they got to eat and then it just keeps there's a lot. This is a six foot, you know, fucking sandwich. It's it's not gonna it's gonna be an interesting year and coming into it is like spring and

summer come around because those are like primarily those building seasons that you're gonna see for construction. I mean, it's... Dude, the construction sector is not gonna be booming this year for China. I don't think anybody, especially is gonna... After Evergrande, and that's a good point. Like, we're the people's liberation army. What are we doing killing the people? And I think it's getting to the point now where like, I was joking on Kitbag, like the Psyops are beating the Chinese, like they love white women culture or some shit. But I mean, it's if that's coming in and it's breaking through, like, you know, it's starting to coming in and it's breaking through like you know it's starting to the little cracks in the armor are starting to show and so it's it's I don't know this could be could this be it right like could this this will be I wouldn't say it's it could be it I'll say this is going to be one

hell of a fucking hurdle for G to overcome. Well I would argue that like, that stuff right there that they like, like your reference to the whole like white person culture, they allow that in there. They know the censors know that, you know, allows allow some allow some opium with the people to come in, you know, like in the form of like white people culture or like camping culture that's here in the States, you know, to allow it in. But what it's not allowed in is, hey, China, your economy sucks, or hey, your domestic, your whole domestic political situation sucks. And let's not even talk about the fact that you have no like, foreign or no personal, personal freedoms.

I mean, that was highlighted during the Olympics, while the Olympians were showing up and they were complaining about the quality of food they were getting and they weren't a lot of they had to turn in their cell phones to the people's police and everything like that. And if they were caught complaining or sending messages back to say like, I don't know, Europe or the US and the Chinese police would show up there like, Hey, you got to delete that you can't say anything negative about China. And they're like, fuck you, dude, Europe or the US and the Chinese police would show up. They're like, Hey, you got to delete that. You can't say anything negative about China.

And they're like, Fuck you, dude, we're not doing. We're invited into your country and you're skewing all of the results to make you look better. They're like, we're not going to say that. Like all the plumbing and everything was going through the floor. Uh, the pipes kept. The beds were breaking. Yeah.

All the beds were breaking. The plumbing was, plumbing was, uh, busting all the pipes were bursting. What else? They were getting fed like raw minced meat chicken. It was like stuff give your dog and all the Olympians were complaining and you know, China China gate got a lot of gold gold medals out of that one. But a lot of the Olympians came back and they were telling their country like, Hey, these fucking guys are not in a good spot. And so there was this huge skew smear campaign that the Chinese came out against, essentially highlighting how good they are. And so I guess that kind of goes into the like social media influencers that go to China, and then they

promote how good things are. So they get like a Canadian or they get like a kid from San Diego, they bring them into China. And so they're like, Hey, look how good China is. They talk about the food and all the culture, everything, but it's all like strategically staged by the police and the authorities, because if they actually relay a message back to their country saying like, Hey, actually, China is doing pretty good. It's, it kind of like puts a bandaid on that bullet for a little bit. Because if you go on Twitter you can find more. Okay, well, people will think I'm just here or something along those lines. But, but I really really is. The most, the most, the most recent example was Andy Boham, I believe that's his name. He's a New Zealander based in New Zealand, based, yeah, I just watched things, oh, I watched

the Chinese movie there, and my eyes were open. Who believes the Western propaganda? I'm like, and I'm just thinking, and it was kind of funny because Andy Retreated not only retreated them but quoted like yeah, man If you if you like that you see all my stuff and you know, he got ran through the ringer on Twitter So badly, it's like this is not the wind guys. This is not like the wind that you think it is well, it's this is like Go ahead Oh, so there's a lot of other stuff that goes into it, like the Chinese, like Cody and I always talk about the Chinese play the

economic and soft power kind of victory. And so especially with something like TikTok, there was a slew of female influencers, white girls, like putting on a ring, like a wedding ring and getting flashes of like, you're going to have to clean up after your man, you're going to have to do all the dishes, you're going to be alone, he's going to be out cheating on you, why would you get married? And it was sponsored by the Chinese government. And so it was kind of like persuading Western women to not get married and forgoing having

kids because it's better for your business career or whatever like that. And so I think that, well, not that I think like it's very obvious that the Western people don't have kids. And so as long as they can kind of like tap into that and like hyperinflate, anyone's kind of like fragile ego, they're like, yeah, I am going to look out for myself. They're going to do anything they can. So like something like TikTok, as soon as like a trend goes viral, you have to see like where it's coming from.

It's almost like the hashtag stop Asian hate. Like you can almost feel the commonest presence behind that hashtag. It's like, yeah, we know exactly what to do. And Americans are done. Let's be through it through. We're pretty fucking stupid. So they're going to follow it. Come on. I think we're going to have to

go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question.

I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to go back to the question. I think we're going to have to and the He was on, he was on, he was on, he was at the hill along with like everyone, the who's,

who's of like social media. And he was pretty much dragged out and all the other Republicans were questioning him about Chinese connection, CCP's connection to TikTok. And the funny thing about it is that this was not anything remotely related to CCP and Chinese influence. It was dairy a Senate hearing on child exploitation on social media. Yes. Oh, is that the one where they were like, they're like, you're Chinese and he's like, I'm from Singapore. They're like,

yeah, right, Chinese. So anyways, explain what you're doing here. But though, like, yeah, my TikTok, if you... This is my thing about TikTok. It is a agent of, it does have... I mean, I'm gonna be fully upfront. Bydance does have a degree of influence on TikTok. It does.

You cannot, no rational person can sit here and say that it does not because look who owns by dance. Look who owns tick tock by dance, which is a Chinese based company. Yeah. Now, have you tried making me talk and spamming it with like Tiananmen Square footage or just T dot S? I Taylor Swift 1989 and kind of see how that goes. You know, the Chinese people. Well, that could be indication and warning. Like if you start spamming that, then it felt the Chinese people show up.

They're like, ooh, they know what to look out for. Ha, that's all I need. Right? Well, I mean, it's kind of funny because I actually did know what to look out for regarding that stuff. And it's kind of, it, that kind of stuff gets,

it gets scary from, on certain levels, but, but I would never download TikTok or DuLion onto my cell phones. Because of the fact that it's, it's a back door. And collect your information. What if you don't believe me? What did Miles say to learn from the masses, then teach them?

Like all you have to do is figure out their trends and their interests and hone in on those. Exactly. Like Americans, like I said, Americans specifically are very stupid people. So all you have to do is figure out that little niche interest they have and just exploit it. I mean, the algorithm is so damn powerful that if you watch one video for like what, five, 10 seconds in your flow to with Hasbulla videos for a week and a half. You're like, damn, dude, this thing knows. And the funny thing about the

starting, you know, I don't know if you ever read it. If you read it, we watched the journals article that came out the day before the hearing where it came out that product at by dance employees or the project Texas employees who are here With a project project Texas employees are able or so afraid that like by dance employees can still access the data is that they need a point to contact or somehow highlight this because they don't have computers or the computer very slow and then they also question who owns the computers. Biden's for project Texas.

That's a very good question because whoever owns them, whoever in an who owns the computers? My dance for Project Texas? That's a very good question because whoever owns them, whoever, and then you know image them They can put whatever they want on it. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if you look into those computers You find some type of backdoor malware That pulls that data out And somehow magically takes it to China. I would not be too surprised. Not only that, but like they've received a lot of complaints from both TikTok and Bidance employees about having to follow the rules that were outlined,

having to follow the rules that were outlined, that Joe keeps referencing that he will not, he will, or that project Texas does, not only that, but even now people are saying that, oh, well, you know, it's more a wink, a wink and a nod as a frame, as a frame as to accepting or acknowledging the rules. So essentially, we don't know what's going on in Project Texas. We don't, we don't, I mean, people, I mean, you could say that I'm being biased, I'm fairly biased, but read the article.

And you tell me that the article doesn't make your, doesn't make your, doesn't pique your interest in some of the stuff that they say and ask yourself. So if they're not trying to abide by the rules that set out by that show that show is actually going out on on at Capitol Hill to say that he's they're doing that they and so it was to do, then why did they produce Project Texas? I'm going to talk about the, well, you can keep going, yeah. No, I was just going to say, just end it out, and to say maybe my conspiracy theory, you know, Sino talks, you know, 10 hat, 10 hat is that it, like, like everything

else that's connected to CCP in some way or other is a front. Unlikely. Yeah. It's, so the way these companies and like, I mean, It's... The way these companies... I mean, it's like you guys were saying, it's the data first, right? And then you can use AI, you can use worker monkeys and whatever to get that data and make something of it. You can go on the Google certification program.

I think it's like on Coursera, it's like 20 bucks a month or you can apply and you can get a Google data certification. I got one. And it's funny. It's funny when you see just how much data is getting, like you guys are saying, is being collected, not just for shopping, but I mean daily habits like walking, run, your workout. I mean, it's a backdoor to every app as far as TikTok is concerned. It gets into your YouTube algorithms. It gets into your Instagram algorithms. It gets into everything that you're doing, your Amazon. It's more trying to find how we're thinking and how we're moving so that China can influence that and push and pull at certain narratives and movements as a soft power would. We've already talked about it in the episode

two where they would never fight us one-on-one. So it's like, how do they destroy us from within? And if you have all of the data, I mean, what the fuck was it? It was the Osama bin Laden letter. Like all of Gen Z just started reading the Osama bin Laden letter because of tech talk and they're like, this guy has a point and everyone's like, Jesus Christ. That's where that came from. That was also a Chinese manufactured video that was gaining traction. Yeah, bro. But I mean, think about how much damage that did. Like, I mean, the election coming up and probably, fuck, I don't know, November, yeah, so we've got like, fucking nine months and kids are reading Osalab and Lawnmower. Can the Chinese economy hold it together until about August 1st and November 15th?

Can they hold it together through that window? I hope so because, you know, if the worst case scenario for the Chinese government or the Chinese economy, it would collapse. And so, well, yes, it would be good because we'll finally gonna see, you know, we're gonna finally see real life CJ ping pianos Piyata outside outside a German high, you know It won't really be good for the global economy because The contagion for the contagious spread there's so many banks at both you and Cody mentioned that there's so much debt that we know about on the surface. But realistically, they have a shadow banking

industry like we do, like we did. But it's worst. And one of them actually got into a lot of, actually had a lot of issues, financial issues, akin to Evergrande. So we don't know if that's going to be, we don't know if that's going to go tits up like Evergrande. We don't know. And so if that bank, if that large bank, if that large company falls down and their financials get looked at, I don't know if the number escapes me. I forgot how many billion of dollars they have. They said they allegedly own their liabilities. But if that would ever, like, if that would ever collapse, then you're leading, it will likely cause a cascade effect. Well, I could see it causing a cascade effect where like most other, to where it just, just to to contain it from spread and the CCP will be powerless to stop it. So I'm just a simple retarded loser. So with a cascading effect, would they would say the military just deploys over

their like tanks and personnel to like banks and protect the governmental centers to keep the people from being hooligans? to keep the people from being hooligans. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they did it for when Evergrande and Country Gardens were starting to fall apart and people were like, what the fuck? And they tried to go and that's when you saw the BTRs outside. Go ahead.

I was going to say that a lot of that footage I came out when they say oh it was it's a sibling it's it's gonna be this is like it this CCP is deploying tanks and stuff like that that was just them actually exercises because they won't deploy the PLA first but they deploy the PAP yeah they're deployed they're deployed to secret police or pap and For that because again going back to tenement square they they learn from it. They know not to do that About what's that? That total man count of the pap. Is it something on the several hundred millions? No, it's I want to say upwards to five million, I believe they have enough to where they have enough to where they can deploy

They have they have enough to where they can deploy to any spot then Within within China Oh the curse of like 24 to 48 hours to bucket. Do they also get like seen that? Oh go ahead 24 to 48 hours to lock it. Do they also get like seen that? Oh, go ahead. No, no, I was going to say we seen that during the November 2022, believe, protest in China. They equip those guys with like, BTRs and act like anything upscaled in like simple ride gear. Yeah, they a lot of people don't realize that most of those

now PAP divisions or units were former PLA Army brigades and divisions. So they do the same thing as us. A lot of guys get out of the military and go right over the police force. guys get out of the military and go right over the police force? Well, not so much. What happened was that one day, the Central Military Commission went through and ordered the division, this brigade to say, congratulations, you're no longer in the army you're the pap give up your heavy weapon give up most of your heavy weaponry and now you're essentially a gatorade but

regarding their regarding the people their veterans you do see them going towards the police, but it's more along the lines of the local police. Yeah, they do have they go, they do go towards the the path in some cases. But it's honestly like, why would you go? Why would they go in and join a another military join another military base organization where they were treated so poorly in the PLA? They could just use the benefits to go make businesses or go do something else. Did they actually keep a total tally number of all those, quote unquote, humanitarians

they sent to Mali a few years back, because they sent a lot of their Chinese military personnel to Africa to stabilize things or the policing action is reloc a few years ago. Where do those guys go? Do they kind of like move up and rank? Do they get sent to the military academy for doctrinal training? Like what? So, are you talking about the military, the UN peacekeepers? Are you talking about the security private security? Okay well for the for the UN for the blue helmets it's essentially a

PLA unit being sent to like sent to the sent there and so regarding how they advance up and go to these to go to the special schools is that if they are selected They go through a selection process and if they're you know, they have their physical fitness there, you know, they look good You know, they're administrative Administratively, you know, they look good, but then also their political bonafides match what they want to or you know or are good enough. There's no like questionable marks against this. They would have the P.O. the CCP would have against them and they will go to these schools and they have quite a few. So they have various academies, NCO academies that they sent to

that they sent to, it would be akin to us to our secondary schools like the 03, like the machine gunners, advanced course, the motor man's advanced course, things such as that. And for the officers the same thing However, you do see this kind of You do see this kind of cross training between the NCOs and the In the military and the officers where they will send some officers Or they would send some of those NCOs To those officer schools so they can be trained on how to conduct The officers job but those officers' schools so they can be trained on how to conduct the officer's job, but

do not really consider the primary person for that job. At most, you have to consider the secondary. So, to go back to that in the point of the bank failures and the stuff coming into this, would the army be sent in? Do you think that China has room to wiggle? So we're talking about maybe the police will go in, maybe they won't, but I mean the bank and the shadow banks for those that don't know, I mean that's everybody just trying to make money and produce capitalist results under a communist regime. And so it's like, do we have a situation on our hands coming up where it's going to be not so much a Tiananmen Square,

but I think it's more of a, I mean the Chinese economy is already going down. The Evergrande Country Gardens, a lot of these, I mean everybody's now looking at these things like, okay, these aren't good investments. And the money's flooding the market. It's actually starting to add up not to like a Tiananmen Square type deal. I mean, it's starting to kind of add up to who's gonna give in first. Is it the US? Or is it gonna be China? Or is it gonna be the EU dealing with Ukraine? And so I get the feeling personally, like, I don't think there'll be a bit, you know, a Tiananmen Square I don't think there will be a TNM square, I don't think there will be anything like that. I think everybody is hurting from COVID and the 2008 housing crisis that we

fucking, we kicked the can down the road on that, we kicked the can on COVID. Now China and the real estate investment firms are going down in China. And so it's like, who's, we're essentially playing poker at this point, right? And we're all just looking at each other, like, who's going to fold first? It's not a matter of like six, it's not a matter of three, six, nine, or 12. In the words of Ken Griffith, who's the head of Citadel Investment Firm, he said, hey, in 2008, we were just trying to survive 24 more hours every day. We just didn't want to be the next Lehman brothers. Everybody remembers Lehman brothers because they were the

ones that quote unquote, they caused the 08 housing crisis. They didn't. They were just the first to fall. So it's a matter of who's going to take the blame on this one. Yeah, I think what would happen, I honestly do think if that scenario would happen, you know, if like the worst case scenario is that I think China would be the one to bite the bullet. And I think what it would like is them selectively picking who they want to help out. Because they're going to have to come out and assist Evergrande. They can't just refuse the order, even though they have precedent for that.

They can't. It's too big. They understand that if they do refuse the order, then that would cause their stock market to continue to go down further than what it really is now. Even though that's the paradox of that. Is analysts have said that, oh, well, I mean, there's no fear of the liquidation having an effect on the Chinese economy because it's already been priced for that. And I was just thinking, for the stock market, because it's already been priced for

that. And I'm just thinking, yes, but you're not considering the possibility that China will refuse the order. You're not thinking of that because you don't want to. Because for whatever reason, you think the Chinese government will say yes to this or accept the order, or accept the order. Or two, you still live under the delusion that China is still in a place to invest in

when it clearly hasn't been for a long time. Yeah. And, but, but, um, yeah, I don't think the PLA would, if anything, the CCP would deploy them last. They wouldn't, they wouldn't, they'll deploy the people's militia before they ever deploy the, before they ever deploy the PLA in my, in my rationale. Because again, them thinking actually drag their feet in doing the and accepting and putting in a carrying out those orders they received. I wouldn't be too surprised if they look at that and say absolutely not. PLA will just be there just to you know as they are recording and then from there, the PAP and like the people's militia and whatever local units, local police units that we have left will go in.

Yeah. So what I'm looking at here over the last three years, they've lost $6 trillion in value, the Shanghai index over the last three years. The index fell 6.2% this week, and they're down like 40% over the three year mark. So this is a great depression, honestly. This isn't a recession or an economic hiccup or anything. This is a great depression 2.0. It is a depression in everything but me, my only. And people say that, oh, well, China,

it's not really that bad in China. And I'm just thinking, you say that, but why are we having people who literally going through Chinese people going to Ecuador and traveling through the Durand Gap, one of the most inhospitable places on the earth just so they can enter the southern United States and claim asylum. So we have a shout out to Gooch. Gooch did a internship in Ethiopia over the last summer, 2022.

And he was there for a while. And he said, there's a lot of Chinese investment firms here. And they just immediately, one week, just stopped working. And they're like, all the money's dried up. So they were part of the Belt and Road Initiative. There's no fucking money. Like, what are we going to do out here?'s dried up. So they were part of the Belt and Road Initiative. There's no fucking money. What are we going to do out here? Bring stuff. And interesting. Keep going and then I'll tag on.

Yeah, I was going to say, it's like you said, the only thing is the name only. And the US is going through it too. Europe's going through it as well. They call it the silent depression. And it's just, I mean, it's a sigh up is what it is. Housing markets weigh up, inflation is through the roof for groceries, they're playing with the economic numbers. I'm not going to go down that road about how we measure inflation. That's complete and utter horseshit. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Biden's our generation's Jimmy Carter. It was the wrong person at the wrong time, at the wrong place. I mean, liberal, we are seeing the end of modern liberals and neocon neoliberals. Oh yeah, that article was just posted about the end of the neoliberal with

Bush and Blair. They're like, these two guys, our whole plan is imploded. I was just thinking while you were rattling that off about the investment firms, what the hell happens to Africa then? If all the money dries up and all that time that they've put in to get the local people, the indigenous people, like reliant on the Chinese imports in like individuals. If they just leave those places go tits up. So who's going to show up to replace them? Is it Wagner? Is it us? Nobody likes us. Like nobody likes the French. Nobody wants the British. It's Africa. Is it Africa core now? Africa core? Hell yeah.

Yeah, that's that's that's what they named Wagner. It is Africa core. Hell yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's what they named Wagner. And that is the core. Yes. Yes. Yeah, they're called the Condor Legion. Get the hell out of here. Yeah. Like you fought against the Nazis. Not. Why? No, so they just did it again.

Come on. I'm bringing it back. It's our word. Right. I was like, which was close to as a group. We should know it's like regarding that it's like, but you see stuff like that. Oh, we're the connoisseurs, for the Africa core. And I'm like, aren't you a fight? Oh, isn't Russia fighting you in Ukraine to the Nazar fight the shit? They're doing a very good

job. Military. Tt military. Fucking the whole military. I'd be not like really, like you have people like shown up with like SS tattoos, and I'm like, fuck it, you know what? But yeah, going back to China's and the Belt and Road, I mean like, there's a reason why the Belt and Road initiative, why they're doing a reset or a for re-sync of it to focus on like green energy, to focus on electronic vehicles.

Because they realize that that's what countries that they're trying to gain influence in care about. They care about green energy. They care about they care about electronic vehicles because their pollution is the way through the roof. They care about solar energy because they is a somewhat cheap way to gain it, then produce electricity somewhat. And so they realized that, hey, we can, our industry, we have a really good industry in all these things. Why should we just pivot to this instead of building bridges and dams that break after 10 years of use and ports that, you know, people live that the countries realistically

can't pay back and we have to absorb them anyways. But but but but even then, where's the money? Where's the money? Some country and it was even then some countries don't even want to do don't even want that like epipopium they want actual manufacturing capacity they want to be able to produce stuff they want to be able to make But they relied on China, which as you, as Cody mentioned, is not working up for them now. It's a love personally. I'm a big fan. I mean, it's like Kato's or Sean Behr report was saying, you know, like China has this thing going for it, which is the fact that like, they don't require you to do, you know, sensitivity training, gender equality training, they don't require you to do all the liberal

agenda that comes with the money. And there is that kind of unspoken slavery thing with the United States, but it becomes like, you know, you need money, right? You need money, you need programs, you need to invest, you need loans to do this stuff and I mean, could the EU possibly pick it up? Maybe, but then you have, you know, fucking colonialism that they had to go through. And it's so it's it's rough, man. And I mean, it's such a good spot to just be like the the personified victim mindset. They're like, we were taking advantage of for 100 years. Imagine that. Yeah. You know, personified victim mindset they're like we were taking advantage of for a hundred years imagine that yeah.

You know go ahead now i was gonna say it just it's an investor's dream out there like it minimal start up cost all the stuff you need easy to get it you know cheap labor all that shit but it's like. Everything that's stopping it isn't that it's the. But it's like everything that's stopping it isn't that it's the It's the politics around it and China that's why China is doing so well there. I mean if anything it's a That's kind of one of those things that it'd be hard to pull them on of Africa Well, I've also back in like the Crow at Toe and Days would have like Africans DM the page talking about how violently racist the Chinese are to them They I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to have this clipped,

but they would say some heinous things. And he would just send them. I was like, dog, I don't even know what to do with this information. Matt, you, I've, I've heard what they used to call like black, black students, African state students. I was just thinking. And you know, I just kind of looked at him and then you know, looked back at back at him. I'm like,

are you just going to accept that? He just kind of just looked at me. He's like, I have to. I mean, if someone would have said that to me, they said that the equivalent slurs to me, I mean, I would have knocked the teeth out. I don't care. I would have went to Chinese prison. Yeah, dude, it's, you know, it's... Go ahead, sorry. No, I was gonna say, like, but know, it's not like go ahead. Sorry. No, no, I was gonna say like but yeah, Chinese. I mean

it's kind of strange because they've It's not It's kind of strange it's kind of a paradox regarding like Chinese how they view like other races and it's mainly based because of like Their belief that they're like the enlightened race and stuff like that like you know there You know we're better because culturally we've always been better and I'm just thinking But you really yeah, what's the Japanese response to all this like how are they actually trying to weigh in? Yeah, what's a Japanese response to all this like how are they actually trying to weigh in?

I have a feeling they they kind of don't want to because hell yeah Because the entire the entire Asia Pacific region would be like Hi kettle Remember what you did to us? Ra Rape of Nankin? Yeah. Yeah, I remember. That South Park episode where Randy goes, he goes, I didn't even know Don King got raped. And I was like, God damn it, bro.

Every time I hear the Rape of Nankin, I'm just like, I didn't even know Don King got raped. Nobody gets it. That's like very niche. What about second? I guess a little off topic, but I was talking with some buddies the other day and they were talking about how North Korea is the Asian version of Gaza where nobody wants to deal with it and nobody wants the people. They're like, nobody wants these people. They're like, Oh, no, we'll cry and complain if they ever get attacked But also they would be the aggressor So like what do you do with 23 million people because the Chinese from what I understand have a machine gun nest along the entire border

And they refuse to take any of them because we're like you're not coming in here. So Yeah, I don't know. I was just throwing that out there raping and King desk wise. It's a whole thing No, like Yeah, I don't know. I was just throwing that out there, raping and keying desk wise. It's a whole thing. It's it. No, like, Oh, there's a reason why they call it the future. This is a few because they just don't want to deal with X number of million people who would be flooding over the board. And even though you know, the North Korean women, you know, they get trafficked and get sold off to Chinese They kind of view the cons as outweighing the pro, if you would like to call that.

If you would like to call sex trafficking of North Korean teenagers and women pro. Really? What about when North Koreans move to China, or if they even do get to China, how are they treated? Because I know in South Korea, they're treated as second class citizens and nobody wants to talk to them. Well, the women get treated poorly. The women get treated. it's very interesting. If you are there in official capacity, like diplomatic or economic, you get treated like any other, you're gonna get treated like a Korean If you're a student there you get treated the same way Because there are there are China there are North Korean students that actually go

To specifically to Beijing to study computer science and computer engineering coding things as that and computer science and computer engineering coding things as that. And, yeah, there's a reason why. There's a reason why North Korea is really good at hacking. That's the reason why. Yeah. And they'll, but if you're like, that's trying, if you're like an illegal immigrant,

their version of a legal immigrant, you didn't get treated kind of you didn't get treated like crap. Like, if you're a guy, you're gonna get essentially enslaved. This could not be around the bush. Yeah, you're then if you're a woman obviously you would get sold or sex trafficked but if you're there trying to trans get around trying to make it to Mongolia or to You know worst case scenario Thailand You're gonna get you're gonna be you're gonna have to maintain a such a low profile that you have to

You have to play as if you're Chinese in certain cases, in certain areas. Wait. So when it comes to the China-Taiwan scenario, and I mean, everybody kind of has like, you know, you've done, you were at that wargame, right? In DC, you were the one that was running it for lethal Minds, weren't you or I was one I wasn't running it per se But I was one of the people who contributed heavily towards it. Okay, so I mean I could say from your Experience or from what you've dealt with on this whole matter

What's with what do you think North Korea plays into this? They just shut up and just let big brother do its thing? Do they play along? Do they send troops? Do they send an ammo? Like how's that working? What you've seen? I don't think they'll directly intercede like sit in troops or anything like that. It's one. They know that a weak in the United States that is, you know, distracted is a benefit to them. But they also know that South Korea, it actually kind of, it's actually for good by itself.

And so, they wouldn't send, they wouldn't directly intervene. You may see them do like some of the stupid stuff that they've been doing like shelling it may conduct some shelling around like the Northerns islands which that's always been there like 411 so it's been the case they like shelling that area because it's a way they can they can actually back off and control the escalation. But they won't directly intercede. They won't, I doubt they would even give China ammunition.

Maybe China has its own stock policy pull phone. Yeah. But they will just look back at this like that sucks for both countries. What about the other one? I don't want anything to do with this. Remember that it was like a couple tweets last year that the North Koreans were sending munitions to the Russians? Was that actually true? Did that actually happen? Yeah, we've actually confirmed there's actually confirmation that

Yeah, I mean Actually made a post about the soft Korean or about the North Korean about the Russians use of the South Korean or about the North Korean about the Russians use of scene of a KN23. Well, they claim it's a KN23. There's been some indications that maybe you know KN the KN they're very with the hyperined vehicle, but we don't know. And so they have, so that's the most direct evidence we have that says the Russians are receiving help

from North Korea. I mean, yeah, they have artillery, they brought in artillery shells, they brought in artillery shells. But those artillery shells could also came from Iran or from Russia or from Russia itself from previous indicate that, hey, the North Korea did provide there what there is a deal between those two countries that say, hey, we want to provide you with X number of shells and munitions and exchange for you providing us with technology to help us improve our space launch vehicles, satellites, things such as that. I mean, it's not a coincidence that

after the agreement or after the meeting between Putin and Kim Jong-un, that North Korea just suddenly were able to successfully launch their first bi-satellite into space. There's like, you could say it's a coincidence, but honestly, it is, it's just too coincidental that there's not to say with at least some degree of certainty that the North Koreans were able to successfully launch

that missile using what the help of Russian technology or Russian assistance. Not only that, but we see them actually creating, utilizing, or actually testing, a medium range, I believe, a solid, medium range solid fuel ballistic missiles. Something that they never really had. I think it was, I think it was intermediate, but it was something that

we'd never seen them previously have or even test until after the meeting that hey, then you know that it was on the test stand and it just wore to life. They said it was successful. That happened afterwards. Not only that, but just the fact that Kim Jong-un actually went to where the K&23 and K&25 missiles were produced and said, you need to increase the quality of these missiles. That was after the whole incident with the KN23 came to light and the ukrainians literally shit it on the quality of the missile saying that this is obviously not a Russian missile because it's too poorly made. Like it's not even due to the whole like different components or anything.

No, it's just, this is trash. Exactly, it's trash. I mean, it's kind of night and day, right? When we talk about North Korea and China, talking about Malaysia and Myanmar, Burma, the episode we did on that. It kind of comes to light because people talk shit, especially if you've never seen it, Coral Sea Rating Company. He does a lot of Chinese talks and stuff like that, or posts, and he's constantly saying like,

hey, these guys got some decent small arms, right? I mean, North Korea, we've kind of,, the cats out of the bag, even the Russians are like, this is shit. The ammo they're sending is missing components. The artillery ammo isn't made to standard. It's all just shit. From what we've seen in small arms production coming out of China and Burma with their own videos that they're making. It's good shit. It comes down to the point of, yeah, there's some paper tiger going on with maybe the tires, the Russian side Chinese tires when they invaded Ukraine. There may be some things subject to interpretation. You're like, okay, that may be fake. This may be real. That may be fake. But one thing that the Chinese do very well is small arms production.

It's like, okay, where's the room for improvement? Where is the room for sustain? Where's the room for like, they're doing really good at this. And so, it's funny to hear that, you know, across the board, everything that we've seen out of North Korea just, it sucks. But on the flip side, there are things coming out of China that are pretty decent. And so it's like, okay, noted. And I would like to within, I will say, small arms. And I, but I would like to caveat that with the fact that a lot of their export oriented equipment like tanks, drones, aircraft, or not, or not. My more aircraft like J 17s, I believe. Or J I forgot which ones they have, I think it is the J 17. Let me look it up. But yeah, I mean, but their JF 17s were grounded because of poor quality.

Now they blame the Chinese blame the Pakistani milk at the packet. They blame the Pakistanis because, oh, well, it's a Pakistani is a jointly produced jet. Don't blame us as Pakistan, but they couldn't really play. It's funny because like, yeah, it's's like you got most of the components from you guys It's like they just put the shit together and flew to my mar but but um

The funny thing but The place where they cannot deny it and I think so long we will force back me up on this is their M-Raps and their own vehicles Because their own with vehicles are crap. They fall apart so easily that it's not even funny Like I forgot who it was like I think Ghana Ghana. They have several They had several a piece Chinese made a PC or a IVs Infantry fighting vehicles and they could not handle the central African Republic

Terrain even though they were specifically bought to handle that terrain now In that forced Ghana To go alright. I think it's got ball on I think I don't I forget which one but it forced them to buy go out and buy furniture equipment. And so, and regarding MRAPS, they've, they're very low quality in African Union troops and Bostomalia and Mozambique actually suffered because of that. So, yeah, it's one of those things that with the MRAPs and the vehicles, like, so the Chechens bought some for Ukraine. And they're kind of bouncy.

Yeah, I love those guys. They've got some things going on. But as far as like African weapons and stuff like that, it makes sense that they they're not going to deal with that. And it's kind of it's funny, right? Because when you talk about China, you talk about Russia, you kind of have to, because we're not on the, I mean, even when you were in, you got the secret,

the top secret stuff, you can kind of piece together these things, but when you talk to people, like the Eric Prince interview, if you haven't watched the Sean Ryan show, he talks about it. He's like, China's stuck in the Kung Fu era. They still believe in Kung Fu. They don't believe in the personal rights to firearm ownership. They can't train and get better at these things. A huge knowledge gap is created because there's nobody working for personal interest to solve

these issues. When their MRAPs come out, they're like, yes, this is the MRAP. This is what it does. It's like, well, does it have all that minute details that we learned in GWAT? Probably not. I mean, same as like the South African military industrial complex, they learn those lessons the hard way. The Chinese are just copying. They're just like, I guess that's what works, but they don't understand the minute details of it. And so it's biting them in the ass, the fact that they're kind of a communist country and holding it all back and not trying to go out there and do things, that the experience is catching them and kicking their ass a little bit.

No, I do. And that's one of the things that a lot of people don't realize is that like well I don't realize that that ownership in China as always is excuse me as well as the restricted but you can still access firearms at shooting a shooting range at gun clubs. They do have gun clubs. They do have that But But the thing is though is that some of those people who get trained on how to do a Lot of the people who run those gun clubs or Positions of higher authority within them or, you know, gun rankings were trained in the United States as instructors. Yeah.

Go on. But I got another one more question for you. I know it's been like an hour and a half, but I do have one more question for you. No, you're fine. But and, and, and things about that. And that's the more dangerous thing is that you know, and well not But that's something that's unique with China and the fact that they believe that they can they can solve their experience gap

to either money Or simple copy and paste Neither will work as you point out because you have to learn these stuff our way That's why and you know This is why I always point out that their aircraft carrier program sucks Yeah, if you go look at these there, but if you go look at them See the footage that comes out of these air

There's a reason why China doesn't really show them landing we're taking off because there's date is that is it's funny? But there's a reason for that because one they don't want to take the chance that they may crash Mm-hmm, and then to begin with they would say oh where our program is the best Clearly not with crashes. Yeah, they're in a Saudi Arabia situation where We have crashes. Yeah, they're in a Saudi Arabia situation where Or Saudi Arabia who these situations where well, they don't really report on what's going on because they don't want to report that all their aircraft Keep getting shot down, but they also don't want to talk about the successes because they're like well if they were winning it would have been over so That but not only that but They don't show if you look at the phones

But not only that, but they don't show if you look at the phones, they don't they're not carrying like heavy ornaments, like a full comet. Because they don't know how to do that. They more likely don't know how to do that yet. Shit. So what you're saying is we're going to strike them strike them now. Before they're and yeah, but and and I think and again, I think it's more along the lines of them being risk so risk averse that they just don't want to try. They just do not want to try doing that because

the web may happen. the what may happen. This is good. Yes. There was a I think it was Vermillion China who broke this story and he's kind of on a warpath doing his own thing, but he is outing companies. But there was a big one. And this this kind of this is like the Instagram skit. So defense shooting sphere. There was a Chinese

soft guy who went around all of the America specifically Ronin tactics. He was a former first group guy, which is assigned to the Pacific Command. Those don't know him. Yeah. So he was Roninics was on a first group. He was a master sergeant out of there. And this Chinese soft guy played it up, went to all his courses and went to a bunch of other courses. And now he's back in China teaching. Did you is that I've Machified Could buy about to me that

That auto or that part that people who are behind familiar in China We don't know who they are oh And I'm good I'll get to that and after I get poke holes in the article. Yeah. And because there's so several. Um, so you're telling me that a teenager that a you know, 20, 27 year old Late mid to late 20 year old Chinese versus masquerade went in and masqueraded as a teenager for eight years Or I think four to five years You know graduated from school graduated from

graduated from this from the preparatory school he went to. And then the state of the United States for I think two to three years, you know, he went to go did the shooting state did the shooting stuff. And then all of a sudden went back and got selected to go train or go go be with because in the article, it doesn't say anything about him training people. It's him actually being being a soft personnel person You know in the soft unit. Yeah and so Maybe there's no indication of training gotcha

He in which He in which is so you're telling me that he full he managed to full X number of thousand people To Of American citizens Mm-hmm that They will be interacting with this a day. Oh, I'm a pimply here. I'm a 21 year old student. I'm a 20 20 year old So you're telling me that you fold all those people in the book believing that he's a 20 year old Chinese

Chinese former student and Set up a 27 year old because if you look at the picture You can't you can tell that he's really reasonably young for his age. Yeah, he just looks young and from my perspective I From my perspective is that if you're going to It just brings about it just it just causes like a lot of issues Just on that just some just on, just on that, just on that goal is that.

And then on top of that, his only evidence is the fact that he was managed to, you know, climb up in the PLA and in the unit to become some head, I believe, or something, something along the lines. Like he became something major in that unit. I haven't, I forgot. Um, I believe, or something, something along the lines. Like he became something major in that unit. I haven't, I forgot. Um, I read it. Yeah. And, you know, yeah.

And so you're telling me the only evidence that you have that says that he's a PLA instructor or even, we're only older than what he is, is the fact that he is in that position of authority, in that billet. Yeah, that's the only thing that is so flimsy that it's not even considered research, it's considered reaching. Yeah. And so, and that's my thing is the fact that And so, and that's my thing is the fact that, and that goes back to like what Eric Trent said.

They don't know. They can't, they don't know. They don't, they haven't fired a shot. That's the reason why you see, you know, those instructors, especially the instructors come from China and become and go in and train the PLA soft, and actually conduct training with PLA soft units and PLA military units.

We've seen this, we know about this. The FBI knows about this. Now, do they agree that it should be stopped? Not necessarily, because one, it's not really considered sensitive training. Yeah. It's not. Like I even asked, I even talked to some,

I even talked to some agency people that I know, and some FBI and ATF about this. And they even said, it's a non-issue. But that's the reason why the FBI hasn't really stopped any of these people, because one, you're learning how to shoot tactics. Like you're learning shooting tactics. And two, it's not really considered

sensitive training. Training. And then three, where does it end? Because if you restrict Chinese people, like if you try to restrict Chinese people from this, then what will happen? So will you restrict Mexicans or other Latin American people? Because it's been proven too that cartels from Mexico all the way down to Ecuador make a conservative effort to recruit ex-military to train them. Yeah. I mean, it's so that's actually what is the fuck is that thing called when you try to export sensitive arms and equipment? Itar. Yeah. So that's actually an itar thing. Believe it or not, is that if you have specific training with what

like if you've attended like,'s say, Special Forces Urban Assault Course, Sephauak, or there's probably marine equivalent for shooting and stuff like that, you can train it here in the States. You can do those certain things like you're saying. But you can't do, and this is where dudes get fucky, is what you can't go to China and train the Chinese army how to train like Special Forces urban assault tactics. And so it's like they, the Chinese kind of found a way around it is they're like, no, no, no, he's civilian, you know, and so it gets around that. And it's, it's really goofy. And it's a lot of lawyer shit. But it, you know, it's also, I see what the FBI is saying,

like, Brother Man, if you have to have a retired Green Beret or Marsock operator teach you the basic fundamentals of a high ready low ready, like, you know what, let's give it to you. Exactly. Who gives a shit? You can see that on YouTube. I guess if you want to look at it in in the like a more like simplistic or bigger picture It's like if you got like a Chinese national with broken English showing up Asking for training you're like outside of like racially profiling like what do you do deny him? You know like fuck it. Yeah, I Mean that's the thing and that's on the

Is that one of the FBI agents brought it brought this up the fact that Well, I these companies don't realize that they can get sued by the Chinese nationals For doing that But you had to remember them There's still these those Chinese nationals are still considered are covered by the United States laws, but laws of the United States include anti-discrimination laws. Now you can argue that there's a natural security aspect from portion of it, but it's just like what Matt and myself said pointed out. What does it in, where does the racial profiling begin? And if you're going to cut it

off in one group, then again, Well, that's certainly something that Chinese absolutely know that we don't want to do. Because of the PR that comes out of that is just insane. You can destroy an entire company's reputation on like a rumor. So they're like, Yeah, what are you going to do? Ban all Asians? Oh, little racist. Don't you guys have a history of racism? So and it's that regard that China not only uses it against us, you know, they that's only one instance, I think they use it against us, but they've actually been very point. They

actually have been very successful using it against, you know, Western societies against other cases. I don't know if you've remember or you heard about the piano incident in England, UK. Like, like in January. Well, yeah, there was a pianist, Brandon Kavanaugh, believe his name was. Oh, yeah. He was playing a piano. Yeah, he was, he was at Kings Cross and he, and he was like, Oh, well, is that, Oh, are you the Chinese or are you the Japanese people? He thought, you know, he legitimately had a uh, he was gonna do an event with Japanese people

and not only that but Not only that but you know He was live streaming as well well one of the Chinese people asked him to stop live streaming

and they referenced the Chinese people asked him to stop live streaming. And they referenced the Chinese, you know, media laws saying that oh, you can't do this against us. And, you know, it didn't make it. And from there, it's no ball saying that oh, well, from there is no ball. To a point to where, you know, you have one guy, From there is no ball To a point to where you know you have one guy either Lily yelling at the cabin on out the toucher and And it and the whole event was essentially those people

going out and shooting a Congratulations, you know, they're shooting a Chinese New Year Lunar New Year Message at King Cross somewhere around King Cross and Cavanaugh just thought they were Japanese the Japanese people and From there it's no ball to where like it came it finally came out that Those people are Chinese, are likely agents of Chinese influence.

That it literally came out that, you know, just some, especially the women who, especially the women are like very, again, Asians of Chinese influence. Yeah, and we talked about this on the last episode where it's like, you know, that soft power, psi-op of like playing the game, playing the moral high ground, claiming all these things that, you know, we can't, how do you, how do you fight that? Right? Like, they're, it just, and it reads like an easy, the headline writes itself, you know? Exactly. And it's funny because they claim that she was, they claim one of the women involved claimed that what

Kevin always races because one day I believe she said like, because they thought they were Japanese. But it came out that he was there to meet Japanese people. He just thought that you were one of them. Yeah. Just a stupid mistake. Yes. A rooted in racism. Yeah. Just a stupid mistake. Yes. Rude and racism. Nope. Now. And then it kind of then she came out and said that oh boy he was playing a racist piano, a racist song on

piano on the piano. And you know, he did. I will admit that he did do that. However, go ahead. No, I was like, yeah, he did. In which it was funny because, like. It was funny because, like, he. You send something. It was funny because. It was funny because he came out. It was funny because it was funny because he came out. It was funny because she only came out and said that.

That he was going to be racist because someone else on Chinese social media put him out the racist song. That the song was inherently racist. So you're telling me that he was racist. So you're accusing him of being racist because it took you six days to figure it out, and that's even with the help of Chinese social media. Like it's them trying to push the, it's her, this is a common tactic,

actually. And I can actually talk, this could be, this could be its own episode, because I see I'm very familiar with this, with the tactics of these games. And the fact that they will try to dissuade or push off, mess, the spotlight from them by saying something that would put the spotlight back on them and they get bashed.

Like he's racist. They know because they know that, oh, when you hear the word racism, white people would just really just go towards that and be like, oh my God, he's racist. Yeah. And it's yeah. We've so we've been here for like an hour, 40 minutes. I just wanted to give you so is there anything you've got coming down the pipeline with Sina talk? You're I know, like you said, you're now working over at Atlas. Is there anything else

that you're doing up and you want to sell to the masses? Is there anything else that you're doing up and you want to sell to the masses? Yeah, so with my work in Atlas, we're going to start a newsletter within the next two to three weeks, just specifically focus on shiny, on end of Pacific News, like just almost like a daily, like a weekly pull up of like the big events through there. And then it will include analysis of the events or it doesn't need it. It won't. But then, but then on the other than another one is that I'm going to be launching a separate newsletter specifically aimed for Chinese economy for Chinese economics and financial news. And then finally with that sometime within the next two, three months

he I will also be launching my own podcast. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So it's gonna be specifically aimed towards inter-Pacific Topics and China and as well as China topics Cool man. We got a name for it yet or do you got like or is this all for dummies No No, I was going to, man, I, no, I, I won't call it that. No, it's like, Sino talks for the podcast. Sino talks, I'm gonna be rambling.

But yeah, like, yeah, it's like, but for that one, it's gonna be really interesting for me bringing a lot of people on that would be, that have a lot of experience on some of the topics that we're going to be talking about. You're going to round up any any X, green beret, Chinese operatives trying to train with the US military? No. No, damn. I won't be doing that.

Got it. Who are you trying to round up out there? Um shut I'm trying I'm hopefully and it was a get late I'm hoping to actually get baby gets baby. Um, I'm hoping to get like, Ryan Powell on the podcast. Okay. Go to you not if you don't know if you have Twitter or not and then he's he's on there. Some chica some Chinese some weirs and Chinese and some Tibetans who who've

worked in the in the human rights space as well. Another one would be Andrew Bix Erickson. I don't I don't know if he does podcasts or not but I'm hoping to have him on on here on there one at one point. Have you reached out to us official Have you reached out to laway 86? Who's that no, I haven't he's out. No, he was a he's an American from like New York who lived in Manchuria for like 10 years They married a Chinese national and then around like the same time that a Xi Jinping became president They cracked down on anyone who wasn't Han Chinese and he was on the list and the secret police were hunting them

So we escaped back to the US Through like Macau I think and then yeah, so he does these like YouTube videos of like talking about What goes on inside China like behind the door to the actual civilian level like the actual house-to-house like business of what the Chinese are up to. And actively on Twitter, he's like targeted and harassed by like the Consulate of like Canada and stuff like that. He's a pretty cool guy. No, I probably will. Why? I probably won't ask him. Yeah, he's pretty cool. You said my way 86. Yeah, it's on YouTube. They would like to take a moment here and dedicate this episode to Carl Weathers,

action jacks and himself. We lost a great one last night. Yeah man that that sucked I woke up and that That hurt a little that means like you know, I'll just work snigger and the rest of those guys are Come close like shit. You only got a successfully dual-wheeled NP Fies Yeah I want to see now Yeah, at least he went with his hand this time All right, man, there it is good luck with the Bagcast yeah, dude you got a lot going on. Goodbye to your weekends.

I mean, I do. Yeah. I mean, it's quite so. It's been funny. Yeah. You're going to be. It's going to be a little. But I mean, I'm not a good one.

Goodbye. See you.