Kitbag Conversations - Kitbag Conversations Episode 19: AFV Recognition

Episode Date: July 30, 2023

In this episode, we discuss the details of Russian-made tanks and the numbers. We also go over the failed Ukrainian counter-offensive and how the narrative isn't the whole truth of the matter for things on the ground.

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I'm popular for it. He made that fucking video from Inglourious Basterds where he made himself the Uber Nazi. And we got so much fucking flack for that. Like the comments I got was like, I can't believe that pro Russia shill and I'm like, bro. If you only knew like how big of a shit poster he is like, I can just either laugh or get out of the way like god damn it but yeah yeah he's a targeted attack against the funniest it's the he's the funniest guy in the platform he's like let me just inverse everything and not take it seriously where they do yeah but all right let's uh let, let's do this officially. So today we've got AFE recognition here.

We wanted to talk mainly about Ukraine, the counteroffensive, what's going on, and honestly this war has become completely mechanized. It's no longer like Airborne. I mean, there's a little bit of a naval component, but I mean, honestly, it's just all tanks, it's all trenches, and there's nobody else who's probably the fucking subject matter expert other than a V-recognition.

So we brought a bond to talk about the counteroffensive and what he sees, what he thinks, and basically talk about it since it's pretty much failed and now the third catch our offensive is underway. And so this one's gonna crack the boat. This one's gonna sink the Russian ship. So is there any BDA been released in terms of mechanized vehicles being destroyed

because the Russians claim something like, like something like, I don't know, five to 10 Bradley's in a tank a day, like they capture a French tank the other day. The AMX, something or other, you know, it is Jake, but one of the other things. Yep, they're like, it's going right to the Victory Day parade next year.

They are gonna have such a cool display. Yeah, they also come through something. The evening. Today, well not today. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen much on the counter offensive. So started June 8th. They've taken a grand total of like probably what? 600 meters. But like in a line. Yeah, it's it's bad. The last I checked it was like somebody said it was like a 200, 300 square kilometers, which if you think about the monstrosity of size, it is Ukraine. It's

honestly nothing. Nobody has released any BDA numbers. I mean, there's a couple of trackers, but the main thing that I've told a lot of people this is if you release the BDA for either side, like if we can get an accurate number for either side, we can tell right away, like the intelligence community who was in or, you know, guys who are in and just don't have the clearance for it, we can tell right away who's going to win and who's going to lose by now, like 17 months, 18 months into this war. If you told me, like somebody said today that the Ocent community did a tap into the Russian deaths and they think it's something

like 47,000 or 50,000 Russians have been killed over the last 18 months, which if you ask me for an all-out war and how this is going, like that's 10% of the half a million you need to get rid of Russia. And so it's, if we got the Ukrainian numbers and that's why they're guarding those BDA numbers close to the chest because once you start counting Bradley's, once you start counting all this stuff, it's exactly like, you know, AFV said on the last episode, King Tiger 2, like, you're gonna start adding up maintenance, you're gonna start adding up parts, you can start adding it all up and you can go, oh, they're going to win or oh, they're going to lose. And the fact that they're hiding the numbers has me

convinced that it's not going well. I'm just looking at like estimated BDA right now, give me one second. So according to Russia, and take it with a grain of salt, they've destroyed well into 1,250 armor vehicles from Ukraine and killed 26,000 plus. If you think, well, what do the Ukrainians start with, like, 50,000 maybe for counter-offices? That's quite low compared to the Ukrainian BDAs that they pull. Yeah, the Ukrainians come out and say, they've only lost like 12-hundred guys or casualties not even KAA, but that if you look at the other side, Ukraine says, oh, we've only lost, or we've killed, say, 24,000 Russians, so they're just pretty much just copying and facing.

But the estimated Ukraine BDA coming out from the Russians or against the Russians is just infinitely smaller in terms of like mechanized equipment where the Russians are just like directing everyone into kill boxes and smoke check them because they're like we just we don't have to attack. We just got away. You need three to one odds this form of trench. You just got to wait. Yeah, I think it's, you know, you can any of these sort of playing into that as well. And I mean, this is one that's been like really hard to know about for that picture that was getting shared of all the leopards and the Bradley's that we destroyed. I think like the playing into the going into the kill box, it's like with a CB Knight that got captured yesterday, right? So, if you watch the video which is on Twitter, the video shows the CB Knight, just driving across an open field, there's one vehicle behind it, which is in shop for about

five seconds, but it's not even traversed in the direction of any threats, it's completely facing the wrong way, And he doesn't actually follow the vehicle and gets hit. So this vehicle is just driving across alone. It's got no infantry support, no tank support that you can see. And then gets hit by an RPG and the crew bail out and jump out. And it's again, it's similar to the picture of the Bradley's and Lef as we're like, it's just poor arm attacks. It seems that they're doing worse in the armoured and mechanized realm with Western equipment than what they were doing with the Soviet equipment that they already had.

That's the same thing you said the first time he came on. He was like, yeah, they don't, in terms of logistics, he's like, all these crews are going to be overstretched and tapped. You just got to make new battalions for everybody. You just can't take a T-series mechanic. You're like, now work on it Bradley. You're like, huh? So.

Yeah, it's completely different. I think one thing that's going to help the Ukrainians massively is recently a plant's opened. I don't think it's open. I think it's already there, but basically the Polish have granted that the Ukrainians can send the leopards back to this repair plan. So at least they've got something, some kind of outside source, because obviously Poland have leopards themselves. So at least they've got like an outside source that they can use to get the vehicles repaired. But I don't think, I think the Russians originally, everyone thought they'd capture the leopard

because they were getting pitches with it, but it looked like a few blocs. It just like a few inventors who jumped out the trench, ran over, took a few selfies next to them and then ran back off. So they've not got all the one of them yet, which is pretty good for the Germans so far. But you know, we'll see what happens. so they've not got all the one of them yet, which is pretty good for the Germans so far, but yeah, we'll see what happens. If they keep abandoning vehicles, the way they do it in the mind fields and stuff then, we're going to lose just more and more. Here's a pretty good headline, I just type in Ukrainian counteroffensive. Here comes up with counteroffensive in full swing,

Ukrainian troops advance 12 kilometers. You're like, man, yeah, so I was sat in the pub yesterday and like the media is so like, blindly pro-Ukraine, like they just, there's no, there's no criticism towards it at all. It's just like, yeah, just give me time, give me time. And it was this fellow on Sky News and he was saying, it was like, yeah, the Ukrainians have taken back more than the Russians actually gained in this war. And it's like, yeah, the Ukrainians have taken back more than the Russians actually gained in this war. And it's like, well, first out, all the whole Kiev front and Carc, if you pulled back out of that so they could just focus on one front anyway.

So, I mean, the Ukrainians didn't exactly push them back. The Russians left themselves. They left themselves, they could focus on the East. But the media were spinning that as if like, the Ukrainians have taken back the whole country. So going back to the initial thing, I mean, there's a lot of things that were kind of glossing over that people who may have served or they didn't serve

in a combat arms capacity or anything like that. You talked about the kill box. I've mentioned the disruption zone in the past, which is the recon place of pain and then the minefields and all that and then the Bradley's in line. Can you talk about, because I'm sure your head just exploded once you saw the first video, which was all those Bradley's in a line in the minefield and stuff like that. If you were talking to a regular civilian, how would you explain what that convoy or what these convoy keep out walking into as far as the kill box, the disruption zone, and what there, because most people are saying, they're going into Russian territory

and we're like 12 kilometers as a much, like that's the disruption zone, and that's where like the recon element is. Like, can you describe that to people who have no idea what we're talking about? Because like to us, it's like that ain't, that's nothing. You're not even in the trenches.

You're not even at the main point of battle. You're just fighting the reconnaissance and disruption elements. Can you talk about that for a little bit? Yeah, so I mean, the Russians seems to call it a graze, essentially, which is obviously like you said, it's in front of the first line of defense, and it's just wrecky and stuff land. The wrecky as well as sort of Russian wrecky is quite different to I'd say British and American wrecky. Russian wrecky is quite heavy. The wrecky elements have stuff like tanks involved and ATGMs and all that kind of thing. So it's like a fight and new to anyway. So I think that's why I was struggling to get through what the main reason is.

So the Ukrainians are advancing into these fields, which are full of minds. And these minds are both from the Russians and the Ukrainians as well At the laid on the withdrawal and it seems like they didn't mile them out on maps And that's from what I've heard from various people on the ground So basically what they're doing is they're advancing into these fields which are completely mind They don't have much air cover anymore And when they get into the fields leave vehicle, they'll hit mine. And usually what Western armies would do is withdraw pretty much.

They did completely pull back out the area. You'd get the engineers up, who would then start looking to clear the minefield. But first of all, you'd be scanning in depth as well. You'd have tanks set out in wherever protected, forest or anything like that you've got. And you'd have them scanning in depth for targets while the engine is going out.

Now, I don't know where this is happening, but at the time, we've seen all the pictures of the Bradley's and stuff like that. There was a lot of engine aid that's got killed. And I will add as well, these are key units. These, the breaching vehicles and stuff like that, are quite rare. Ukraine has done don't have many of them. They lost a lot of the Soviet ones,

that they had originally started to war with. And then the NATO ones, you've lost quite a few of them. And these vehicles, like I said, are perhaps a key to getting through my field. So if you lose these, it's going to make it a lot slower. Have you seen anything about the Ukrainians using a leap frog method, like the American army marines?

Were they have one guy coming in with the other guy suppressing fire? I'm not sure how we do it like on our armor side, but I know like the infantry side of things if they're coming from these armored vehicles. Yeah, so I've seen that on both sides of it. And I think the way I explain it to sort of be made to it like infantry or something like that is when you look at vehicles it's essentially the way you move there's a section or a squad just on a large scale essentially you do leapfrog and all that pepper potting and stuff like that and you've got different movement

states that you do and the Ukrainians with the Weston kit didn't seem to be doing that because as you could see with the Bradley's and stuff and the lepers, they were all dressed in one field like they, they were all so close together, like you'd never do that as infantry, never mind an arm. So yeah, they get and bunched up and feel these and poor tactics. I'm not sure what the Germans were training. I'm not sure what they were teaching them, but they shouldn't have been doing stuff that aren't really. They shouldn't be so bunched up. They should be letting the engineers go ahead whilst providing cover for the engineers. And also, I think you were probably, you've got to probably push to go on the current offensive as well about the US, no doubt. And I think with that, you probably should have waited for more ear defense. As we say, a lot of them left us and Bradley's were getting taken up by helicopters. And then Ukraine just couldn't do anything against it

because they didn't have any air defense. On the side up, Sanko, I don't know how you read this, but to me telling Russia you're gonna invade or conduct the counteroffensive the morning of or like what two, three days prior, they sent that viral video of like the shushing. They, I just thought it was funny. There's like in terms of like sounding the alarm bells, like indication of warning. It's like, oh yeah, the Russians were like, cool, they forgive us the heads up. I just thought that was all right. Yeah, I think that was quite. I think that

was quite much to do, really. I feel like the, I feel like they probably should have rather than doing adverts. The probably should have been looking at doing stuff like deception. I know it's been used before. I'm pretty sure it was cool for one where the British used it, where they basically recorded all the comms from a massive exercise,

played these comms for an insecure net. Whilst the Iraqis were obviously listening, and even more the wrong grids obviously, and wrong locations and stuff, and I feel like if they had had done something like that, and you know, I mean, so the Russians, because the Russian EW, as much as people, weren't like me saying this,

Russian EW, the world leaders in EW, 100%. And I think if they had had done that, the Russians would have listened, got a load of grids, what they thought were correct and stuff and then the Ukrainians went in on a completely different angle. I feel like that would have worked a lot better and caused a lot more confusion. Probably they would have broke through, I think, potentially if they used a lot more deception rather than just an advert, some blog time to be quiet, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's just video.

That's so funny. But um... Yeah, what have you seen? Like when it comes to the mechanized units, like the Bradley's and the Abrams and the challengers and stuff like that. Have you seen them counteract or retaliate against UAVs? Because the amount of you create a Russian drone for just getting released at them just smoke checking.

Armored columns is staggering. No, I've not seen anything like that. I've not seen anything of vehicles engage in drones. And I think it'd be probably quite hard anyway. I know that trying to hit a drone with a rifle is absolutely solid. So, I mean, maybe the vehicle is a bit easier, probably, probably, probably 25mm, but still, you struggle, whatever. I think the best thing for drones, essentially, is stuff like

their anti-drones weapons. If you send them, they look like massive toy guns almost. Yeah. And the base is just like EW knocks it out. I think EW is the best counterfeit drones. Yeah. So there's a page I actually like a couple hours before this I was looking through. His name is Sentinel Society. They go over like all of this stuff there, trying to integrate drones into all types of tactics, and showing EW and stuff, and they posted Forbes in December 24th,

posted 90% of Ukraine's drones have been taken out by Russia's EW, and then Rima was saying that for every one drone that's Ukrainian, there's four drones that are Russian, four drones per square kilometer. So, and from my experience and what I know of like the four structure of Russia, they have the EW and cyber capability at the battalion and brigade level, versus like in the American army, we barely have it at the division level. And so it's, I don't know how much longer these drones and these positions can, for the Ukrainians, can keep up.

And so I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more drones forms as tongue goes on. But that's what I'd say about it. It's just like Russian EW. It may not be good. It may not be good, it may not be the best, but if you've got a mid tier EW system at every company and battalion level that's taken out these drones, it's not even fair. I mean, even for like the American army,

that'd be a problem. Yeah, definitely. I think like you both said, I think recently looking on stuff like Telegraph, I think recently looking on stuff like telegram, I think videos coming out of drone footage is like most of the time coming from Russia lately. I'm not seeing as much Ukrainian drone footage to use to, and that applies for other stuff as well, like javelins and stingers as well, obviously. Not seeing as much of that as we used to. and stingers as well, obviously. Not seeing as much of that as we used to it.

And then the other thing I was going to say is like, so from like the angle that I'm seeing it, like you said, like the disruptions zone, that gray zone, and in Rutland doctor and they talk about trading space for time, and what they do is they gladly accept you coming into their defensive perimeter into that gray zone, so you hit those minds and stuff and go and back to like you said about their heavy reconnaissance like the tanks, the BMPs, the BTRs and

those ATGMs. It's just I the wonder off of the fact that it's just kind of enticing everybody, the leopards, the a-roams, the stuff like that. It's just these ATGMs, I don't... I'm gonna say it, the F-A-G-O-T, the Faggot ATGM. Like, it's cheap, but it gets the job done, and it's taking these Bradleys and these Leopards out, and that's what's waiting for you in the disruption zone, and the Russians want you to take that, because as you advance, like you said, those K-A-52 alligators are going to come up off above the tree line and engage and then you're going to have fires from artillery pieces. I mean, it's been said that for every 5,000 artillery rounds that you create is firing, Russia's firing 20,000. So the closer

you get, the more weapons systems that turn on, right? So you had the one five fives at the edge of the disruption zone, but as you get closer, you know, those one oh fives turn on the 120 millimeter mortars the 82s the 60s like by the time you get to the battle zone those entrenched positions You've already fought reconnaissance. You've worked your way through an AT and personnel minefield fought reconnaissance, you've worked your way through an AT and personnel minefield, you know, there are trenches in the disruption zone where they really want to engage you and make you hold up so that they can get you to sit tight a little bit for artillery and everyone saying like, you know, they're killing these conscripts in those trenches. Well, I mean, you're

not going to fill those trenches with good dudes, you're going to fill them with conscripts. They just need to sit tight so that you can artillery those positions so that when they hit the main battle line, like I said, you've hit ATGMs, you've hit heavy equipped scouts, K-52 alligators, you've been artillery the whole way to the battle line. And then you're finally engaging Dugin, turret defaolate, tanks, and infantry. And it's just, the idea is to beat you down so that when you do engage the Russians on their actual turf where they wanna do battle,

you're so tired and it just doesn't pan out. I'm sick of violence. What's up? The camp. Yeah. So yeah, it's just it's kind of Like you said, there's a lot of media saying a lot of things with the thing that I think hurts me the most and why I think we're all kind of pissed off at it is that It's not the truth. It's it's a half truth like oh, they took 16 kilometers Well, they're trading that space for time because every day that goes by that trench in the battle zone where they really are are dug in, where they don't want to lose ground.

Like, it grows stronger. There's more tanks showing up. Like, oh, it's a T-55. Yeah, but it's a T-55 that you can only see the turret. You can't hit the body. You have to hit it at the turret because it's dug in. And every day that goes by,

like, I'm watching AFV's page. I'm just like, Jesus Christ, there's just, like, they could get T-34s. That doesn't matter. It's still a T-34 turn into a pillbox and it's just There every day I watch your page, bro It's just more tanks more systems coming in from the east and it's just I'm not seeing enough videos And I'm not seeing enough killing and carnage from the Ukrainians against the Russians to make up for these trains and trains and trains and trains of tanks that show up on your page.

To me, it's exhausting seeing your page because you're just two to three times a day, you're posting tanks and factories in the Russian land. It's just like, how much do they have? You're like working overtime over there on that page. It's so disturbing. I think, like you said, it's only getting stronger, that line is only getting stronger. I remember posted six months ago, I think, it might have been even longer, and the Russians were digging trenches then, way before they offence it was even considered. The Russians were digging trenches then, and the only going to get stronger. The Russians got so much, it's old Soviet stuff, but the trench digger equipment is so much better

than what the West have. I don't even think the British army has purpose built trench diggers, whereas the Russians have, sorry. But yeah, I don't even think the British army or the Americans might have done it. But yeah, we've just got sort of those blades and stuff like that. Whereas if you look at some of the Russian stuff, it's insane. Proper, proper, specialized equipment purely for the defense.

And it got tons of it. And like you said, just digging more and more trenches, laying more and more mines. And it's just that line just getting thicker and thicker and stronger and stronger. And yeah, I think another thing is I like to say about the55 is a lot of people laugh and joke while they're put. At the end of the day, it's still 100mm cannon. And in this war, we're not so much tank on tank to be honest, it's mainly tanks for fire support against infantry.

So, yeah, you can laugh at 100mm or you want, but 100 mils like smashing you in the face while just trying to get into a trench. You're not going to be laughing then, I think Russia have just got tons of stuff that you can still bring out of storage. There's still some storage bit. I look at the more Google Maps quite a bit and there's some storage bases that since the pitches are updated, haven't even changed. There's still stuff that's still there and these are the T8 using T72s and stuff like that,

as well as all the artillery. I've seen another one there, I don't know how true this is. Okay. Because the source was quite questionable because no one else has posted about it at all. But apparently, Bushery have got a trade deal with North Korea and they're gonna get loads of rounds from North Korea because obviously North Korea's main battle tank still use 100mm and 150mm

from the T5 to FFXII. It's a North Korea, obviously, I've got probably millions of rounds for them guns, so I think they might be given them to the Russians, which means yeah, they've just got even more artillery now, because every Russian tank pretty much has a indirect fire mode where it can just elevate and be used to sort of make shifts out of it. Yeah, I've seen that from the creating side as well as like, I know there's some things that people say, like you can tip an MI24 up and fire dummy rockets like artillery. That's not true, I hate it, I'll die on that hill,

but I do know that the majority of Russian tanks, AFVs and BMPs and stuff like that, do have a system to be used as indirect fire support, which is crazy, because that means not only is the artillery shooting at you, but you said it's still 100 millimeter,, still a hundred millimeter cannon. Like, that's not a joke. That's, that's enough. I think you said that's more than enough to engage in an Abrams and hurt it. And so, because like I was talking about the BMP3s and you're like, yeah, that, it's got a hundred mill on it. It'll take on, it'll go toe to toe with a tank. And I was like, shit,, shit, that's a lot. And then you got soldiers inside that BMP with ATGMs

and one shot RPGs, the RPG 29 or whatever, there's more than just the RPG 7 out there. So it's a little wild to see that. Yeah, you gotta look at the adaptability of just the soldier on the ground, be it Russian or Ukrainian. Because if we just laugh at stuff the ground, like be it Russian or Ukrainian, because if we just, like we laugh at stuff like this at how dumb it is, and if we look

back to World War II, the Germans took their anti-aircraft gun, the 88, and just use it against tanks and fucked up the Russians and the French and the British and the Americans, they're like, oh, we can do a purpose this. At the time everyone probably thought it was really dumb using an anti-aircraft weapon for indirect support. But yeah, I don't know, like if it works, it works, I guess. Yeah, exactly. I think the tank as well is like, I mean, the ocean tank train is sort of questionable on what to get in. I know the corruption is like deeply rooted, but a tank's only as good as its crew as well. So if you've got like quite a good commander in there that can sort of motivate the crew then,

that tank is going to be just as effective as any other tank really, no matter how modern it is. I think it's just key to watch as well, like Ar Armani Russian tanks are coming out of like upgrades as well out of a like a repair plant and the factories like There's many T55s and T6 suits have got coming out like I said last time There's still just upgrading to 72's T8 East T90s So As much as the old kids coming out the new kit is is coming out just as much out the new kit is coming out just as much. So when you talk about that, when you talk about those upgrades,

like the, because we talked about this last time, right, like the thermals, like every tank, like almost every tank on the Russian side has a thermal, you know, almost all of these tanks have the rounds, like that one kid was seeing, they have the capability to upgrade the tanks and keep them online purposely, right? Like thermals, the rounds that can take on Abrams, the rounds that can take on the leopards

and stuff like that. So like, what are those upgrades and how do they impact the battlefield? So there's a few different upgrades. So we'll go through sort of each tank, and I'll go through your grade. So the main thing that they're trying to do, and this isn't something that the Russians have just done. I think a lot of people, one thing I'll squash a room

and I was that Russia pulling T62s out because of the desperate. So if you look at every exercise the Russians do, like Zapad, Cavcars and all that, a part of their exercise every year is to pull T62s out of storage and upgrade them and refit them. So the Russians have been doing that for years, the past 10 years, so that's something they've always done. It's not because the desperate is. They've always maintained their strategic reserve were attempted to at least. So with your upgrade, so the T62, and T62M specifically, so that received the 1PN 96 empty

dash 0 to site. So that's just a thermal site basically. So it gets rid of the old infrared site and it's a thermal site. The quality isn't the best, but it's still a thermal site. It still makes it better than something without a thermal, you know what I mean. So that's pretty much what I get as well as I'll probably get a bit of contact one added to it as with everything. The T72, so T72, the old T72Bs, they're getting upgraded to T72B OBR 2022 and 2023 and those again the thermal sites replacing the old IR search lights and IR sites as well as that they get T72Bs get like a horrific amount of armor added to them which I think could be a logistical strain eventually

because going off on a bit of tangent but T72B doesn't have the same engine as the B3. So it's got a lot less horsepower or a lot less torque in a transmission in the engine or older. So I think the amount of armour they're adding, which is equivalent to the B3, will probably eventually start taking strain on the transmission and stuff like that because they're adding quite a few tons to that vehicle because the amount of armour is just insane, it covers the complete sides, covers all the rear, all around the turret and everything. So I think eventually we'll start seeing then probably start dropping out and breaking down I think. As well as that you've got the T80BV OBR 2022 and 23 which is essentially a T80BVM same armor but what makes that an M is the

Soxon the U-Site which is the better quality thermal but instead it's got the old 1p9 and 1p9 6MT added to it as well as that extra armor which is the common theme of these so extra armor all across the wall sides, turret rear and rear of the vehicle as well. And then the T night year upgrade for 2022. That's again, just armor focused, just armor all over it as much as you can. I think they've realized that ERA is absolutely key. And as much as people often do, got them slapping like contact one and everything, it does work since it worked a lot of times.

It is worth the upgrade. And I think with the Ukrainians as well, I don't know, to Western tanks that also work, like CBNAT, they've got hit the other day. That hit probably could have been, it probably wouldn't have penetrated if it was a, if it had a bit of a RI on it, which you didn't.

But yeah, I think with the upgrades, I think the Russians are just slowly adapting and you can tell where they've got the perceived weak points on the tank. So specifically, if you look on the T72B 2022, they've added the RRI around the gun mantlets, which previously didn't have any, so that's quite a weak point there.

So you can see where they've perceived for the weak points to be, as well as the roof market cases as well. Obviously, they are, I'd probably say, generally quite effective against drone drop munitions. I think people think that for Javilan, which I think most people did originally bought, obviously it's not going to really do anything against the Javilan. I do have a question building on top of that. So while they're pulling out the other stuff, the older stuff from storage, is there been any from the Russian side of things,

any updated main battle tanks? So I mean, the T14, I did see it's something a little while ago that said that debuted on the battlefield a few weeks ago. Like what's the likelihood of Russia actually pulling out the better stuff? They're just going to start? Would they use the supplies first? So I think kind of like do a test run. So I remember them seeing the T14 was in Ukraine.

I personally don't think it was purely because I think if it was out there, it would have made a massive song, it would have been pictures of videos everywhere, which has been not. So I think knowing what the Russians are like, if they would have announced it, they would have also added videos and pictures which they didn't. So I don't think that's been up there. I think the T90M, though, is more than capable.

And they've got them coming out of the factories and they've got them in service. And that's more than capable for you've got them coming out of factories and you've got them in service and that's more than capable for taking on Leopard's Abrams challenges and stuff like that. It had even probably outmatched a few of the older Leopard variants completely, so like the Leopard 2A4s has, yeah, it's got quite a, it's got quite some heavy some heavy updates so yeah I think it's it's the 90m's the best outlet in the fields next to the lefors in the Abrams challenges. Do you know where those are being stored at kind of like rear D behind the four lens events? Depends on the unit that's using them to be honest. I've not seen them, I've not seen them used as much as the others obviously because they're

aren't as many of them. But the last time they were used quite heavily really was back more, they had them in the streets at back more at one point, provided via support. And then the forest in, I think it's crremlin, I think that's how you say it. I don't know if you've seen but the fighting around there is like very heavy in terms of tanks and stuff like that. It seems to be a lot of the best kit from the Russian side team to be in that forest. Because the stuff like the BMPTs, they were in that forest, the T90M's and all stuff like that. As well as the VDV recently, were there again on BMDs and stuff like that, as well as the VDV recently, were there again on VMDs and stuff like that?

I've seen it especially with like the Russian Marines and their Paris or the VDV. Have you seen them adapt at all? Because we talked about before, Cody and I, that they're more of mechanized airborne infantry. And they, like what are they using? Because I know back in the day, it was just like BTRs, BIRDM, stuff like that. And I mean, like back in the day it was just like BTRs, BIRDM, stuff like that.

And I mean, like back in the day, like eight years ago. So can we see any improvement on that sort of things from the Russian side? Yeah, so they're pretty much using the same stuff that the Vans sense to start the war, but I think it's a shortage of equipment, but they may only use the BND, which is obviously a lighter BMP,

essentially, for drop pen and to be a confit inside helicopters and stuff like that. So they may in the use there, but quite recently, I've seen that the VDB seem to be using just normal BMPs, which are obviously for normal motor rifle brigades. So I think either they've got a shortage of the equipment, or they've just decided that they're going to use the BMPs instead because BMDs are obviously due to the lightness, like very weak. So the point where I think they can only protect against like 762, the early ones across the front

of the arc, that might not be right, but it's there there about. It's very likely armament. Where's the BMPs? It's got a bit more armament, so yeah, I think it could be a mix of both shortage and the better protected. Got you, got you. So I was gonna ask,

so the last one is Wagner when they went and they did their, I'm gonna put quotation marks on it, coup, because like now they're in Belarus training up their forces and I, I don't know, I don't say it, they're getting them ready. They're getting Belarus ready, but when you saw that coup

and you saw the tanks that Wagner had, you saw the mechanized and tank capabilities, was there anything special coming out of there or was it just like, oh, this is just more T72s, a couple T80s maybe, and some, I know they had PTRs, I think, I wanna say. But I don't remember much, but do you, do you remember anything that stuck out for Wagner?

Yeah, so Wagner got quite a mix, and it's generally quite good kit as well. So, when the T90 S is, good kit as well. So when the T90 S's, so S's the export model for the T90, so most of them went to like India, India got a lot of them, Algeria, Vietnam, Azerbaijan, so Russia, for whatever reason either cancelled the sale or had some in storage and those tanks went to Wagner and they're generally quite good tanks as well. As well as that, they had BMP2s, BTRs, like you said, and a couple of T-80BVs as well. And then when they handed back the kit, that's when it started a complete array of kit,

like they had T-net EMs, they had all sorts of stuff that they were handed back. Artillery pieces, even like light guns and stuff like that. And I find it quite awesome for a mercenary group to be able to install that. Well, yeah, they had a lot of surprising kit. They were basically equipped like a normal Russian boat rifle brigade. Gotcha. So it really is, right? Like it is kind of coming down to the fact that the Russians have just made this a meat grinder then. The VDV have basically gone away with their special toys. Wagner is equipped like a mechanized unit.

The way you're talking about the kit, everybody's got the same thing. They've all got BMPs. I've got a couple BTOs here and there, but it's mainly just tanks and BMPs and trenches and ATGNs and so it's just Every time I think about this we we look at it and people call this like pro-russian or whatever crap It's just like how can you not see that there is a pattern forming here of just like you're saying like the kits The kits all the same and like you're like what you're saying like Wagner has some better toys, but I mean they're the same toys really.

And so it's, it's like if you were an intel guy or somebody and you're sitting there and you're looking at this map right as you describe it, like Wagner's got better toys than most, but they still have like the export models and stuff, like the VDV have given away their toy, their BRDMs for BMPs, and it's just a meat grinder. Like how do you not sit there and go like stop attacking, stop doing counteroffensive, stop doing this, like they're waiting for you to come in there, they're just going heavy and making it a meat grinder. And so it's like, if all these, because the these because the faster systems right those those BTRs we've seen the Chechens with those AFEs that are like upgraded M-Raps that the Chinese use

for export and stuff like that everybody all those fast moving vehicles all those systems that are meant for like strikes are not on the battlefield. And so as an intel person, you kind of sit there and it's like, we identify people by what they have, right? If we see BRDMs, we're like, oh, the VDV or the Marines are here. BMPs and BTRs mean certain motorized units. But none of those things are on the battlefield. And so those fast moving systems are somewhere. Do you think that they're

gone because they're just dead? Do you think they're the... I would say like we got to find these because that's where we're going to see the Russian next defensive come because seriously there hasn't... If you don't count back moot, which is just simply Wagner putting a bunch of prisoners into a meat grinder, which I wouldn't count. Like Russia hasn't done any offensive operations for well over a year. And like I said, every day it's just building up and then you're talking about this. It's just like, where's the fast stuff? Where's that lightning strike?

The BTRs on wheels? Where's all of that? Do you have an idea where they are? No, so I've not seen, I've not seen many BTRs for a while, so maybe the, in the real like you said, prepping for something. I think BTRs are never, I don't think you'd ever really keep BTRs in a defensive role as well purely because they don't have ATGM so like if you've got the latest one the BTR 828 that's pretty much just a 30 mil kind of an asset That's his most offensive weapon. So I think

The BTRs probably held in a rare. I did see recently I put some pictures on of cannibalized BTRs and that have been completely stripped down, obviously to keep other ones going. So yeah, I don't know whether the backing rusher on training or beyond the front prepping for something. Another knows, it's something worth working into, I think. Yeah, I saw those BTRs. The cannibalized BTRs, they just took a part and put on the roadside.

The other question is, as you kind of track these movements, as you track the heavy equipment and stuff, is there anything in Belarus right now? Because I know Wagner's up there right now, they're training, but the dudes, the territorial defense forces, the SAF, all those guys. I think they're getting them ready to come down the river again and attack key, but as far as like heavy equipment and stuff like that, is there anything in Belarus? Is there a build up? What's going on up there? I'm not saying any Russian equipment in Belarus. And obviously like I said, Wagner pretty much had all the heavy stuff taken back

before the left of Belarus so I'm also sure and that's been a nice day again so I have to look into but I know that Belarus has got quite a big storage of vehicles themselves whether Wagner will be supplied with it from Belarus, probably so it's quite unlikely I think the Russians had essentially given kit back again. I'd have to look into that. I know that the Wagoner base is, I'd look at it on Google Maps and it's near an old nuclear bunker. So, yeah, I don't know if I know they've got a big camp, but yeah, it's also built next to massive old nuclear bunker. They're probably all living in there and whatever they've got in there as well,

there may be some vehicles in there. Or I imagine just now I'm going to be on the next floor. Yeah. We're building on the comment that Cody made about the Russian's not doing anything for essentially over a year, just sitting and waiting, just grinding people down. Did anyone have any idea what they were using for battle tracking? Or how they were keeping all their guys organized? Or simple, simple admin things to use in the US and British military?

But I haven't seen anything on what Ukraine's using. I have guesses, but I haven't seen what the Russians are using. And from what I've seen, the Russians are completely different bees from February 25th last year to today. It's almost night and day the way they approach tactics, the way they approach their own doctrine, where before it was almost like an ad hoc, shock and awe, let everyone go. From what I've seen now, they're very much more professional. And I just have a wonder of how they're keeping track of all these different parts flowing in and out. With all like bringing out the the T64's T72's T90's all the difference.

How are they like segregating them into their own designated corners and then tracking the parts and all these things like that because I know in the American military, like if you if you're missing a screw and you work on a helicopter, no one goes home to you find it. So just wonder how the Russians are going about that one. I guess in the Ukrainians too. I'd probably say, I'd probably say the individual,

because essentially, so if you go on, if you're interested in sort of satellite imagery, intelligence, and stuff like that, if you go on Google Maps, firstly, if you go on like an all-back for the Russian army If you go on Google Maps, firstly, if you go on like an all-back for the Russian army, you go on Google Maps. Essentially, each pre-gay base has its own storage area.

And you'll usually see it sat near the base or next to it, and it'll just be full of vehicles. So I think in terms of battle tracking vehicles and stuff like that, I imagine it's down to the brigade itself from their base, because of course, they'll probably have probably have like when anyone deploys the love of a rare operating group who are sat there just maintaining the camp and stuff like that and I imagine they'll be the ones prepping the vehicle to send them out. So I think it'll be down to the brigade itself or probably the brigade's support company potentially who will be dealing with stuff like that.

But I think in terms of Spurs, it'll just be cannibalization. I think the only stuff that'll Spurs will be being made for now is stuff like newer tanks, so T72, B3, ETA, BBMs, T90Ms. I think everything else will just be getting cannibalized. And yeah, I think they'll just be coming from the brigade bases, the little storage units on the camps. They'll be coming from there and then they'll be a science unit. It's

stuff like the unit, which is sort of the main focus for the British AFP Battle Group Nestownia, which is 138th mode of rifle brigade. They used to have T7, if you'd be three, but now are T6 to M's. So they must have, I think they had some heavy losses where they've lost a lot of the tanks and they've just completely been reassigned

with T6 to M's. Yeah, I've seen that, like you said, the Polish factory and stuff like that. Like the Poland is basically giving up their entire armament. Like, they've given up all their bone, you know, their spare parts. They've given up all their T-series tanks for new Korean tanks and stuff like that. Like, it's... I don't want to be the negative Nancy again, but it just...

It just kind of keeps coming back to the fact that there's this obscene blind optimism to the whole war and the way you're talking about it. Now we're at the point where Russia's cannibalizing things were losing the Bradley's, were losing the Leopards and the Challengers, and they're not making a big difference. And it's just, looking at this from a non-biased perspective, like numbers and like what you're saying and things like that, it's like how do you sit here and not have a ceasefire? Because the ceasefire would, like, Russia wouldn't abide by it. Like, that's, I mean, we have to, like, the Ukrainians, that's, I mean, we have to either.

Like, we can build these systems up and I know you said, like, yeah, the leopards would be in taken up, but there's those storage units in Poland that they're gonna sit there and they're gonna rebuild that but that's what like a two-day train ride to Poland get it off assess it start fixing it like one two weeks of fixing it like it's out for a month essentially until it returns to the front line and then the whole time you're praying that those leper trained Ukrainians don't get thrown in a tea series and then die because then you got to train them all over, a new crew all over again. And so it's just, at this point, it's kind of like listening to you talk and like hearing like what the gear is on the ground

and how that translates into the situation. It's just like, it's, it may be time to really consider it like, hey, we need a ceasefire to rebuild Ukraine and talk about this because obviously this is not the answer. Like if we, you know, the cluster munitions was a key for the United States. Like we literally had Joe Biden come out and say like, they're out of ammo. There's no more ammo for the Ukrainian guns anymore. And it's just like you're saying, like it's cannibalism time, baby.

Like, fuck. Like at what point do you like I know like we're probably Crotone and kit bag all sit in there negative Nancy, but at what point do you have sympathy for the guy on the ground who's only got two weeks training or coming up with Awful answers to questions that need a good answer like where we're gonna get these tanks How are we gonna fix these what about the about the crews? What about the maintenance? And like, I don't see how any staff officer given the situation, like, and for those that are civilians, like a staff officer, somebody who does intel logistics, personnel records, like,

Matt say, and like, there's no system of record for who's dying. We don't have a system to know which units are where. And from like, the, the Russian way of war, the book, the Russians just kind of denote something on a map and say, here you go, there's your op-ord, go to it. And it's just absolutely mind-blowing that this is turned into a war of the tradition, and everything that you're saying is just like, no, we're running on fumes, duct tape, WDD 40, and wishes and hope at this point as Ukraine. And then at the same time, like Russia still,

you're saying like they've still got potentially a ton of TABs and T-72s and stuff in spare parts yards. And then Belarus has, doesn't even need Russian equipment. They have their own. And now they got Wagner as well. And you're just like, God, man, like, give Ukraine a break and let them consolidate and reorganize. Cause at this point, it's just, there's nothing left.

I remember like a year ago this time, there was a female Ukrainian medic who said that all the Western trained Ukrainians, like we trained I think like 120,000 Ukrainians from 2014 to 2022. And she said it, she's like, all of them are dead. Like, Azav, the Ukrainian Marines at Marielpol are all dead. There was a picture that came out.

I think it was Analyze Educate. He posted that the commander of Azav was reinstated and brought back. And he was looking at all of his new guys. And it's like there's the as of we knew that the fighting Nazi guys they're all dead these are all new brand new recruits who have nothing and so it's just hearingless is just depressing because it is becoming what I've been telling people this these two old men who are geriatric just beating each other

to a bloody pulp and we're like, no, no, no, get back in there. It's okay. It's like Hulk Hogan versus Rick Flair. It's just blood everywhere. Old man tits, flapping in the wind. It's just disgusting. But yeah. Over the, over the ceasefire territorial boundary, look like, is it just going right up to what

the Russians have right now, call it a day? Does it go into the complete autonomy of the annexed oblasts and just say, like, all right, you create kick rocks, this is it, or is it a, what would that line even look like? Like, I'm talking about tanks right now, I'm just talking about, like, how would that even work? Because no one knows how it's going to do it. You can't even capitulate until they get Crimeay out, which they're not good enough. They're not kidding. You couldn't, if you had a can opener,

you couldn't crack that thing. Like it just, I don't, there isn't anything. Yeah, I think you see this fire now would just end up like 20, 14 to 20, 20, so again, they just both sides of keep breaking it, they keep showing each other. And it'd just be back where we are now saying, I don't think it worked. I don't think you decided to commit to the CSI. So then I guess given all of this, like everything you've said and like they've set the CSI

fire, it won't work. And it's basically a meat grinder who has the most gear. And from what you've seen AFE, who's got the most stuff to... It's always going to be Russia. There you go. Always going to be Russia. The amount of stuff inherited from the USSR is absolutely insane. And to think that like, if you look at, so what was the agreement on? I can't think, I'll get out on the phone while I was talking, but there was an agreement

just after the Cold War, which was basically to sort of limit how many tanks and stuff, people added, and how many IFEs and stuff like that. And a lot of countries basically lied about it. So Belgium was one of them and Holland as well. So the leopard ones that Ukraine got, and I think it was like Jeopard's and stuff as well, they were basically sold off to private collections who would maintain them and they would never be on the books for the army themselves or the M.O.D. and the B-class does have in light of this many times when actually we've got this many in actual reserves, does that make sense? So is the 1993 young Conventional Armed Forces in Europe young conventional armed forces in Europe and Russia probably done the same because apparently I think it was 2012 I think it was or 2014. They started scrapping all of the T64s and stopped using them or so they said but then near quit the DNR and LNR would load the T64s

and also I've seen them pulling T64s out of storage as well which supposedly they're not supposed to have. Same with T55s on the box, Russia got no T55s. So I think the figure that they have before the war of 12,000 tanks, I think it probably got probably about 15,000 in reality. And that's just reserves or is that total like? That's total including, I mean that's that's going before the wall. So what I think you've lost like a thousand tanks according to orics 15 under maybe. So yeah, they've still got those tanks. These numbers again, like I said, with the cannibalization stuff a lot of these tanks you can't really use to have the parts.

Yeah. And these tanks are going to be, I have to be cannibalized a lot, to keep most of the fleet going. So you could probably cut out a quarter of that number that are just going to get stripped. But I mean, they still got a lot more tanks than you grain off. You know, Matt's talked about it before, he's like a hate friends because it's like this idea that yeah, it's like the 90s psychology, it's like everything's gonna be fine, but you know what, I'm gonna say it, I fucking hate Harry Potter and the reason being is like it's like the chosen one will defeat the evil monster and it's like the what, I don't know who it is kind of leading the psychology behind this war, but it's like you cranes the chosen one. They're gonna defeat them

It's like I'm not seeing it like you're not taking out you're not killing enough Russians You're not and like the more like 15,000 tanks like that's unbelievable That's even if they are like a hundred millimeter tank like I don I don't, how many tanks does America have, like total, like that's, and then we have to maintain ours as well, and we're running out of reserves. And so. Thank you, America,

it probably have about 5,000. Let me, let me check that. Yeah. I think it's 5,000. I think you've got a good, it's 5,000. Yeah, 5,500 damn on the ball, but. We're about to, I don't know how that was impact

when the Marines got rid of our tanks. Oh, they gave him to the Army. I know they just went to like a National Guard unit. Matt dropped off. Bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, guess what? There was like a little problem with Matt's internet, so I kind of cut it in and out,

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Come learn how to work out. Or if you know all those things and you want to teach people, come on in. We're doing all types of stuff in there. So yeah, that's the shout out for the discord. Yeah, come on in. That's ridiculous. They have three times the amount of tanks that America has and we're gonna sit here and we're gonna pretend that this is the answer, right? Like this is gonna move. They have, they're the chosen one. They're the good guys. Like, I don't think every day, like you say, and Moore's coming out of the stock yard,

and there's things that aren't supposed to be there that are there on the line. So it's just, yeah, that sucks. That's what I mean. It's that classic Russian corruption. It's just like the Belgians and the Dupts did where they weren't on the box. And I wouldn't even say it's with them.

It's not corruption. It's just sort of bending the rules I'd say but I mean the Russian corruption that they've got There'll be a lot of tanks out there that are just unaccounted for That aren't officially on the box Yeah in so They've got They've got the Like you said the North Koreans on tap for ammo.

So it's not even like they need more tanks or they need more whatever. They just need more ammo for this. And like if North Korea is willing to open the floodgates, I mean, that's ridiculous. I don't remember how many guns they have pointed at say, oh, it's something like a couple hundred and so I'm sure I'm sure North Korea got the most artillery in the world. Yeah they've also got the most man pads in the world they're not good but they have like a hundred thousand plus man pads like Gen 1 Gen 2 man pads and so how many guns are pointed at North how many guns are pointed at? I know it's 60% of North Korea's guns are pointed

at Seoul or they could hit Seoul they're in range of it. So North Korea have got 10,000 artillery overall that's that's both towed and self-pelled. Yeah 6,000, 6,000 artillery, so that's ridiculous. Yeah, Matt's internet went out and so, but luckily, I like the 56 minute mark. Yeah, man, this has been absolutely mind-blowing to hear these numbers and talk about this, like, in the most numeric way, in the most military, just, like, in the most numeric way in the most military, just like numbers way, like if you wanna make this war of attrition, rushes down to play because I have three to four, five times as much.

And so, that's heartbreaking. Like, how do you, how do you, like, how do you keep going when that's like, you're not killing enough, no matter how hard you try, you're just not going to be able to kill that many and it's Is there anything else out there that you're seeing or like you're studying or looking at that you started getting interested in North Korea stuff, I think, purely because of the bloke and Instagram, I don't know if you've seen but KPA weapons tracker, and he posts some really, really good stuff. And I'm starting to look at North Korea tanks and stuff like that,

their capabilities, but just I think I found it to North Korea, it's just like the stockpile's varmourine stuff, that I absolutely would say. Like the amount of stuff they've got, it North Korea, it's just like the stockpile of ammo, it's absolutely insane. Like the amount of stuff you've got, it's just, it's obviously not very capable stuff, but like we said before, it's just that sheer numbers that we've got is absolutely mental. But yeah, I'm getting quite interested now. There probably be some posts coming out of some North Korea stuff, so anything. That dope. Yeah, when I logged out a go, there was a point where North Korea would may or may not have kicked off and like from a Air assault and like airborne perspective

I think I've told the story but it was like pretty much expected that the 101st was going to lose its entire aviation Brigade like all the Apaches and Black Hawks and Chinooks were just gonna die or like whoever was the first wave in It was just gonna die to the sheer amount of man pads. So they're like, yeah, you're gonna... Yeah, so like, go ahead. I've never seen anything like it. So speaking of North Korean capabilities quickly, it's like, when I speak to that K-Pay weapons tracker, so, yeah, I mean, he's all over the export.

He's told me about their tanks and stuff, and I've started looking into it. Like, nearly every tank has man, manpats attached to it. And that's like, well, nerd in all tank before, like, because they know they just don't have the air capability. They'll never gain air superiority. They've just gone all out on manpats on everything. And, yeah, I mean, if you go up against them,

we'll load helicopters. That's probably not going to do very well. Well, that was going to be the answer. Like, when we were talking about, like be the answer like when we were talking about like. So blue for when we were talking about the war games, they were like, Oh, we're going to use our Apache's in a way to do basically like the K a 52s did. They're going to pop up of the tree line. They're going to engage and they're going to maneuver away. But when you have like because it's designed that like two Apache's can destroy a company of tanks

But when that company of tanks has 12 man pads and then the imagery has man pads and like you're you're fighting in these valleys and Crooks in North Korea that are just not designed for the Apache to work its magic It's like you're not that's why it's like they like you said we're not gonna go to the air. We have man pads for that It's just when when we were doing this and we were like wargaming it as like a division, it was so wild to see that like, because I mean, their pilots, right? Like, they got that like, yeah, my, my dear Kings blew up my knees. But like, once you start talking about the sheer numbers of man pads, like the, the color drains from the face.

And like when the division commander is sitting there, like, no, you're gonna die. Like there's going to be no way to rescue you. Your helicopter's gonna get shut down. Like, yeah, there's CMOS and there's evasive maneuvers, but like 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq didn't, didn't do as any favors. So like those guys, those pilots don't remember. They do know how to maneuver and like avoid manpads,

but not much anymore. And so like, it's just wild to see how much that's going to change. So North Korea, they decided to take the rulebook and throw it in the fire. I'm just going to put a man pad on a humvee. I'll put a man pad on it. Just extract like, I don't care. So that's, I was going to be cool to see you go and into that because it's, it's weird. And it's going to be wild to see, because I know the other thing I was going to was, like, some of their stuff is real, and then some of it's fake, so like they have a lot of, like their drones,

like their gray eagles and their global hawks that they showed on the military parade. You see the one that caught the other day and it looks exactly like an MQ9. Yeah, yeah. Looks like, I mean, obviously the internal is gonna be different, the cameras and stuff,, but yeah, it looks like a carbon coffee really talk to

Be that we have some guys in the discord, but the cognitive high is like he's in the aerospace Industry and so he was talking I was talking about it with him He's like dude people think that a drone needs to be like a high-end Fucking system or it needs to have like new motors and all this tech, and he's like, I could build a drone on a Vellanmore, and like a couple pieces from like a farming store to like for like windmill blades. He's like, and that's what I ran did

is the Shaheed is just two scooter motors attached to a propeller. So it's just like, bro, like, it's gonna be interesting to see you get into it because I'm sure you're gonna be like, that's fake too? Fuck, like, yeah, dude plug your app, plug the app before Lockheed Martin buys it from you for a billion dollars. Talk about the app, if hook. Yeah, so I'm working on a massive update a minute. It will have pretty much, pretty much, going to finish off Russia, get everything done for them, and add in some North Korean stuff as well,

because I'm going to look at that and get it on the app. Going to change a lot of things on the app. There'll be new categories for vehicles, new features on there, stuff like, almost like a basic sort of learning thing where it'll show you just the basics. So just the basic T72 and the basic BMP model, just so you can learn the basics before going into variants and stuff like that. So yeah, I think that'll probably be out probably back end of August, I think. Nice. And then anything else besides obviously the page that you're almost at 60,000 followers,

you're going to, you're going to do an only fans and just show you that play in red dragon and worth thunder. Like, yeah, yeah, just for now, Bill, thanks again. Yeah, no problem anytime and Matt, Matt cut out midway because he's moving and he probably forgot to hook up his router or something, but that's KitBag conversations and like, please for the love of... Alright, hold up. There are 300, actually no, it's like 500, 500 on average listeners. And we have 67 reviews.

So just give us a five star or something. God, like I'm tired of living in my mom's basement. If I can pay rent, please for the love of God. Help with Mother Out and review the podcast. And then I'll plug a commercial for the Patreon midway through. But yeah, let's get back conversations. That's AFV recognition. Go down the app, see if you can beat him. What's your highest score? 60 out of 60? Yeah, it's full mark, though. Yeah, see if you can beat the King of Autism in tanks. So, see you guys, have a good one.