Kitbag Conversations - Kitbag Conversations Episode 23: BA Adventures and PSYOPS

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

We talk with Marine Corps intel and podcast host BA adventures to discuss life, PSYOPS, and the military for better or worse.

Music 3. Draw the lines on the back of the head. 3. Draw the lines on the back of the head. 4. Draw the lines on the back of the head. I'm gonna put baby, of course. I call it operator syndrome. Yeah. Like, I mean, and there's, it's like, man, it's not every single soft guy, but it's the soft guys who are the most vocal. Yes. And it's, and it's the operator syndrome.

It's, it's, hey, I went through this hardship that shows me that I'm quote unquote special. I'm now, you know, I am separate from, you know, the herds of other people because I went through this experience. I am not like you, and therefore I am special. What does that sound like? Right?

It sounds that every LGBTQ, whatever crap, oh, you know, the victim culture, essentially, they're victimizing themselves because they wanna be special. And it's like dudes who are like, who are acting like the 90s and shit are like, you know, the 80s and 70s. And you're right after Vietnam,

when it wasn't really cool to be a fucking soft guy. And they made their way into that sort of shit. Those are the dudes who are just like, yeah, this is my job, I enjoy this. And then I see them as a little bit more, you know, well adjusted, but the newer age like our generation man you know they're just like I need to be different than anyone else I'm going to it's that it's more of all reflection of the culture I think as a whole of just like

of just fucking like the society of the United States, like we have to have some sort of identity beyond ourselves that an identity that society thinks that we're different. And we need to be recognized as different, therefore that validates us as human beings, which is complete horse shit. There's a fuck, I don't remember it, goddamn it, motherfucker. There's a video floats around Instagram. It's an interview about a psychologist and actually he's a philosopher. I do not remember his name. I'll top of my head, but he talks about who, like, he's describing this in the first person. He's like, who am I?

You know, he's talking to the interviewer. And he's like, am I my name? I'm, you know, it's just a name. It's a label. Like, am I a man? No, that's just my sex, right? You know, am I this professor? No, that's just what I do. That doesn't make me who I am.

And he goes on, if you watch the full interview and he's trying to describe the concept of like our inner more human soul essentially. And what does it mean to express truly one's inner soul and how does that reflect to the world? That's done through like interest and hobbies and and religion and you know values and morals that makes our actions and how we see ourselves in this great universe is kind of what defines who we are. And if we don't recognize the greater whole that our souls play into, then we are always looking for that. And we will always be lost in it because we're looking for something that's right within ourselves. It goes on to like even a bigger and bigger thing. There's tons of little things you can

get from that. And people are lost. But it boils down to. We're trying to find things that validate us in society. When society is a completely fluid environment that goes from one extreme to the next, there's no values, there's no morality in it, there's no right or wrong, it's a complete sea of gray. And if we look to society to devalue ourselves, we're going to all we're going to fall into nihilism, we're going to fall into just like atheism, we're not going to give a shit about anything anymore, then it's going to we're going to find ourselves in depression, left or right, taking drugs and all of a sudden we're going to find ourselves in depression, left and right, taking drugs, and all of a sudden we're going to be like, it doesn't matter anymore. Nothing matters

anymore. I'm just this infinitesimal ant in this enormous fucking universe that can't even fucking fathom. Therefore, what does it matter? And, you know, proceeds to commit suicide or it leads down to that path of just complete victimhood and extreme violence I would have to argue. Um, yeah, I can go onward to that. Well, I've actually been recording since we've been jacking on that. So like, I'm, go ahead and introduce yourself and spread your podcast and then I'll reply to that. Well, I am a BA of BA adventures.

I started my podcast actually in the midst of complete utter depression about what the fuck am I gonna do with my life? I needed some sort of mechanism to get up off my ass and start feeling sorry for myself and to show my daughter what you can do with yourself in this world. That was the motivation behind the Instagram page and the podcast and I'm like I decided to go to X-35 Jump School which we talked about. It's a jump school where you do airborne jump training, just like military jump training,

you jump static line, round parachutes, the SF-10As that you go to an airborne school and jump out of, they now have like what, T11s now or some shit like that. Yeah, fuck those things. Anyway, yeah, I love the SF-10A, that thing's beautiful. So I went there and it was a spicious moment when I jumped. It was in preparation for the 75th reenactment of the 75th anniversary of the D-Day invasion, everyone saw.

So it was the first time in recorded history that you had two. two, two, yeah, one two, two of the C-47s at were flew in Sonormity, the Tyco Bell and the Placilassi. I mean, they all done up man, still have bullet holes in the fucking fuselage and shit, you can go, it is fucking amazing dude. And that's what I jumped out of the first fucking time in my life other than jumping out of like a 180 and oh my god dude I was so fucking hooked I love I fuck out man dude let me go off here a little bit here because this is what goes this is the

reason why I started this whole podcast and my whole like persona because it was me and now like I can clearly remember the sitting in this old World War II aircraft. It's 75 fucking years old. We're about to fly information offset by offset by like 500 feet A to L and we're about to jump. 44 jumpers in the air. Ishbone inside 22 jumpers per per aircraft full I was like holy shit right? I'm like I didn't understand. I didn't comprehend what that meant. And I'm sitting in the aircraft for the first time and then these older aircrafts in order to pump the hydraulic fluid into the system of the aircraft, the lines, so that they can control the aircraft, the flaps, the ailerons, all that sort of shit. They use the engine to pump up the pressure.

It is the most auspicious thing I can ever describe to someone. It was like this, oh man, this cacophony of fucking sound that starts at a low roar, right? It just slowly builds and gets louder and louder and louder and louder and louder and it comes back down. Like oh wow, that's interesting. It hits this certain din that just impermeates through your entire bones and your body. I was like holy shit, that was interesting. And then they do it again and get louder and louder than the last time. Then louder and louder and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and then they come down.

And it does again. And it does again. And you're sitting there with 22 other guys who can feel the energy. It's like 80 degrees in the fucking Florida. It's hot. You're sweating. and your heart is racing, dude. It's like, it's not just adrenaline, it's like this, this, this dread, right? And it's like, this, like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, a roll of dread surrounding you, like, I'm about to do the most inhuman thing on face,

on face the plan, on what the jump out of the hair plan, I'm about to do the most inhuman thing on face on face the plan on what the jump out of the hair plan I'm gonna face my death but 22 other dudes Be half the be on our again. We have to do this right. You're feeling this this engine rev up and down up and down You're like holy shit. It just it gets you on edge You're like holy crap. What am I doing? Oh my god. This is intense and it just It's amazing I know that when and I had the door on my first jump out of the C47 Which is a very coveted position that I did not know that I had

but the man Number one man, baby because I did so well throughout the week. They put me in the door. Oh, man. And like, it's just a slick floor. There's no seats. There's nothing to hold on to except the, the, the, the, the, the skeleton of the fuselage. Holy fucking shit. And there's the door right there.

We're going down the ramp and it starts to pick up speed. You can feel the tail in, come up. And I'm just kind of skittering side and side there's nothing hold on to it's just a wood floor and I'm like I'm about to go out that fucking door man I'm not ready yet like in the air I'm like holy shit and I'm looking at the safety guy and I'm looking at the jump master like oh fuck that would have fall out and man if soon as it kind of lifts up and you feel it rock side to side and the hit comes up, that's the safety sticks his head outside, pulls in.

Airboard, everyone screens. Airboard, oh, you shit, we're in it now, baby. Oh, fuck. And that was an experience. Ah, I'll talk more about it later, but I wanted to introduce myself with that. After that experience, that right there, I'll talk more about it later, but I wanted to introduce myself with that. After that experience, that right there, that experience that I decided to do a podcast.

And I podcasted a green beret who lived here with me here in Virginia. It was a sniper, we worked with CAB and I did a bunch of things in Iraq. And I interviewed my buddy and his wife because they both went to the jump school together. And I was like, all right, I have to keep doing this stuff. I can no longer sit on my ass. I can no longer feel pity for myself. I can no longer like, whoa is me shit shit because I was going through a lot of crap. And I had to be like, all right, adventure is it.

That's what I want. Let's go do it. Let's just fucking do everything I've always wanted to do. Let's, I have to be badass about it. I have to like live up to that moniker because That's who I am inside. Let's live who I am and It kind of progressed into its own thing But that's the the page that's the moniker. That's the lifestyle. I mean it is me is not some fucking brand

Then I'm trying to profit off of and I don't profit off of it It's a legacy project for my fucking kid. She knows her dad. She knows who the people he surrounds himself with. She knows that there is a life to live out there, not just school and fucking work and whatever bullshit society crams down your throat. There's a whole world out there to explore go do it. That was my say that's awesome just because I literally just came back from my in-laws where like that is exactly what they do they do they do work they do home life and that's it and it's like

you just sit there and you're like really this, this is it. And so I love that. I absolutely love that. If you were to go tomorrow, you're like, no, like it's not just work in life, like it's many, many, many things. And so that's awesome. Which is crazy because I'm sure that there's like veterans who listen to this podcast and then there's civilians,

but I can't begin to describe to anyone how different of a mindset it is for veterans. And I'm not saying like, oh, or different or better. It's just like once you've been picked out of your home thrown into basic training, that happens. Then you move across the nation for four to six years. It changes you because you're not afraid to move. You're not afraid to do things. You make friends all over the world. Like you don't just sit in the same white neighborhood of

Pennsylvania or Ohio You're gonna have friends from all over the world and then you're like your eyes just open and then get God help you If you deploy because then you're gonna meet Romanians you're gonna meet with the Waynes the British the Australians You're gonna meet all of them and you're gonna be like a whole fucking world out there And then you come back to civilian life and you're like This sex And you're gonna be like, there's a whole fucking world out there. And then you come back to civilian life and you're like Dude so fucking true man like holy shit you get back and you look around like everything's about first it's like Everything's more complicated. You're like holy fucking shit. I gotta do so many things just a fucking live number one Mm-hmm. I hated that

And then like number two, it's like none of these people speak the same. No None of these people like think the same when I say kill after any of the statement They all look at me like I'm about to fucking like murder someone in the statement they all look at me like I'm about to fucking like murder someone. No, it did like someone says something like raw, like what? Oh no, you're good. It was an adjustment period, bro. And then it's like the baggage you bring from your experience. You deploy, you're in combat, you you're just under stress like I was. And shit happens, right?

Experiences may vary. I'm the first one to say it. It's all my podcast, man. I had a crappy experience. And it weighed on me. Because I wanted to be, again, soft guy, right? I wanted to be special. I wanted to do the challenge. I wanted to be, again, soft guy, right? I wanted to be special. I wanted to do the challenge.

I wanted to be a recon Marine. And I failed myself in that. That's what really fucking dug in me. And when I failed myself in that, I then went to a real dark fucking place, dude. I was just miserable. And then I put myself around the wrong people and the wrong person at the wrong time was accused of some shit and

Granted how it all went down it was an awkward situation and it wasn't good all the way around it was graves Graves fuck and I was accused and I went through two years of pure hell because I was ostracized by everyone and and and then every day your questioning did I really do something? No, no, no, no, did I really you start believing that shit sometimes? And we have like a fucking first start to tell you like, hey man I know what you did you're going down. I'm going burn you to the ground, piece of fucking shit. When you have a first start to tell you that,

you're like, holy. Whoa, shit, man. You have like other people like texting you like, oh yeah, he did such and such, such and such. Yeah, he's so vile, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like, oh my god. It was bad. And when the charges are finally dropped, man,

and I got my honorable discharge, like, it was fuck. I, it first is like a weight that lifts off your shoulders, and you're like, I don't want to be here any longer, so you get out. And then that weighs on you. It's such a heavy weight. You're like, you didn't do shit. You, you fucked up doing this

You know your honor is tainted Souls tainted and you carry that shit And it took me a long Fucking time to get through that and I can't and and when I look at dudes who carry a heavier weight or a different weight than mine My was stress and circumstance and being naive as fuck. That kind of led into the issues that I dealt with, but a lot of guys, they encounter trauma. You know, it war is a visceral experience that impacts every single senses of the and

the human body and the mental and the spiritual all combined until one is the most extreme place and environment that it shows you the greatest parts of humanity and the the most vile parts of humanity and everyone gets to experience that on a different level depending on what they do and then I've watched my buddies I've watched friends I've watched my buddies, I've watched friends, I've watched other, you know, quote unquote, operators go through some shit. And it's a familiar taste, right? It's a familiar, like, cannot food. It's completely different from each person to each person.

And I was about to say it's, that's kind of a lot to unpack there, but what I was going to say is I've noticed as I, because for those who haven't listened to the episode, I was raised by the 90s and early 2000s guys, I grew up around them. And so shit that they got away with in the army, where the Marine Corps is shit that would get you a general order of a go bar today. Like my dad is the worries that like I listen to him. I'm like you do know that like you would be like sitting next to Pope Bergdahl for that today. He's like what? Get the fuck out of here. I'm like yeah dude you'd be fucking like top 10 most wanted by like see you know FBI and shit for that in the army. He's like, oh shit. Like for one

story, he was, I could say this, he was making moonshining Kuwait where it was illegal. And they traded it to the Russian peacekeeping force who were Spetsnaz. And they would get drunk and go out on the town together and shit, which you're not allowed to do in Kuwait, you're not allowed to fucking have alcohol either, you're not allowed to create it, and you sure shit shouldn't be hanging out with the Russians in the late 90s. And so he traded with Munchine for his ODA to get Spetsnaz jump wings. And so that's awesome. Oh yeah, see, but now you do that in like 2015, where the fuck your ass is gonna end up like.

You're fucking, yeah, you're on the news. Like, you know, they're hanging you. They're hanging you. That's the book, actually. Straight to jail, but I was gonna say, it's like, I think it's incredibly difficult for people to understand that, because you're not the first person

I've met like that I had my one of my buddies God rest his fucking soul he Was a chaplain's assistant and he got a divorce well on deployment and for those of you that don't know a chaplain's assistant Is basically just an 11- oh infantryman who's assigned to protect the chaplain and so he got a divorce well overseas and his chaplain lost his shit because he was a devout Catholic and he was like, sir, it's not that big of a deal, you know, it's just a fucking, it's a divorce that happens.

He's like blah, blah, blah. And so the chaplain just used every excuse under the book to give him a counseling until he got so many counseling so he could kick him out the army. And I won't- He's his fuck. Yeah, no, he got kicked out of the army. And I won't- He's his fuck. Yeah, no, he got kicked out of the army.

He got busted down from E5 to E2, and then he was out of the army. I saw him picking up my bags when I got home from Afghanistan. Like, he sent him home early from Afghanistan. And so not only did he deal with the failure of that, but he also got sent home early midway through a deployment. And he got kicked out of the army, he got kicked out of the army so fast that he didn't even have to turn CIF. They just charged him. And so he got out, did a couple things, and then lived with his parents for a while, and

then one day just wrapped a shark or a run to set and fucking blues brains out. And so it was premeditated suicide. And so it's exactly like you're saying when you say that like everybody deals with this in a different way. And there's all types of failures from like, you know, getting wrapped up in politics, getting caught in the gray zone. We've all, I've been caught in the gray zone and it's just a fucking cluster fuck. And it's like the whole time you're sitting there and I had a good captain who's going

to come on the podcast say this He's like if we spent half as much time That we do fucking each other over on the enemy, but this war would be fucking over by now like we spent so much time Internally fighting and arguing and doing all these things and fucking over soldiers and doing all this shit as just like If we spent more time focusing on the enemy, this thing would be over. And this was in Candleheart. He was like 90% of this base isn't worried about the fact

that we're outnumbered 15 to one out there. Like there's 75,000 Taliban here in Afghanistan. And there's only 15,000 soldiers total, not counting, not counting Taliban militia fighters. He's like, how the fuck am I the only one standing here in Afghanistan and there's only 15,000 soldiers total not in counting counting Taliban militia fighters he's like how how the fuck am I the only one standing here saying there's an enemy out there and we ain't doing shit but it that's like all right you're hitting something that I fucking like saw when I was there and like it just nothing made sense right nothing fucking made sense in Afghanistan. Like why were we fighting in the first place and not gaining what we what

be traditionally, like, you know, spoils a fucking war. Why wars are fucking fought, resources, you know, land and shit. And we're here to we're here to basically be like this proxy force to ensure that fucking oil pours into your up sort of thing. I mean, we can get in the beads of that. But like Afghanistan was pretty much done after, you know, it marched in 2001 to 2002 and we continued it. Why? What was the fucking point?

And just it's when you dig into like the military industrial complex stuff and so on and so forth and get into layer, but to address that one, man, it's like enemy was always around us. They were inside the fucking camp. They were in Latherneck. They were freaking stabbing people and shooting people already. And it's like, why don't we focus on that? Why don't we focus on the task at hand? The Spartan military practice of military operations. Why must we also include the politics in fighting, positioning of ourselves, making one person look bad so we look better.

Military environment in a war time, you know, in the deployments, don't worry, we're in a fucking war, what the fuck are we doing? Right? You know, we're preparing for war. Why the hell are we talking about like X, Y, and Z? Now I looked at it when I was at recon and they would crucify someone who would fucking get drunk, out of town and got into a fight. And literally crucify these kids. And I observed it in my own self where I was, they called it giving a leash or a rope and you fuck up and they fucking can you with that shit and it's like Hey, man, where were you?

You you the where's the warrior culture? Where's the like this, you know the ethos the spirit of core Why the fuck is it the the NCO with the boys? Right now, how do you how do you prevent bad shit from happening? Oh that fucking NCO needs to be with the bin. He needs to be there. He's be in the fucking bar of everybody else watching everybody fucking drinking. He's insured the fire fire buddies and the fire teams are taking responsibility for each other because that's ultimately what it is right. You know like take care of yourselves out there. Have your have your you know your drink your fire buddy you know

taking care of you and you help each other other out that goes away when you don't have leadership that does the same thing this is a big leadership problem you don't have an officer who's actually interested in you as as trying to create an effective in in listed kind of like core and listed machine because they enlisted people with fucking lands, corpals and privates. Those are the dudes that are doing 90% of the fucking lifting. An officer needs to, his job, his task is to ensure

that the gears keep fucking turning. If the gears are slowing down, he needs to figure out where do I need to put the oil? What needs to move? How do I connect to other things? How do I connect to these gears? How do I improve upon the situation? The sergeant is supposed to ensure that the gears

are turning at the same rate every single fucking day. And in order to do that, he has to have a vested interest in those guys too. It can't just be about, hey, I'm the fuck, I've slapped on my fucking third goddamn stripe. Now, I've paid my dues, you have to fucking suffer. You're gonna suffer on your meat meat. All the things I had to go through, I'm gonna fucking go through, make it go through you. But you have to figure that out on your own. I'm not going to help you out. You know, you go fuck up, you're a man. Like, that's not how men should be raised. That's not how men should be led, period and story. And it goes to like just there is no warrior culture in the

United States and that warrior culture is found in very small pockets here and there. Talk about generational families who have family members who have in the military you know since revolutionary war for example. You know, and they would generationally join the military service. And that's majority of those who are in the military. It's kind of interesting. And then, like, buying back to our soft talk about special operations, the reason why everybody looks upon them as such romance and places them on a pedestal is because they separated themselves from society and They are were born in the culture of war. They are culturally warriors and isolated from the rest of the world

so they Developed this kind of persona Where they are just this operator all the time and that means that they are special and they get to treat everyone like assholes because they are the true warriors. And it's, this is going to lean right into our main topic about the paper here, insulation and isolation. You isolate people to a certain degree and then you insulate them with only like people around them. It it becomes echo chamber

when they're all saying the same fucking thing back and forth they start to insulate their biases their Predigious prejudice pre just Jesus prejudice there it is prejudice with each other and that just infute, it just like palaces over their minds, you know, it creates that cognitive bias that just they can't let go. And that leads into the issues we're going to talk about a little bit. It's, it every, it's so funny that you like, because like I said, you're not even the only one in the discord who feels this way.

And it's, it's surprising to me because everything you're saying is something that I've, I'm actually starting to, I don't know if I, I actively wanted to do it, but I started studying it recently, was instead of watching the movies, I decided to actually pick up the books on Audible and I started listening. I listened to We Were Soldiers once in Young, that is, you need to read the book, don't watch the fucking movie. Mel Gibson does it a great justice, but the book does it so much better. And then for the first time ever,

I'm reading Brandon Ambrose's, Banda Brothers. And it's funny you say that because you're like, this makes no sense, like how the NSCOs and the officers are working together. And it's crazy to me because the formula for a good unit has existed this entire time and we've never and and I'm like 95% sure that nobody has read the books because they sit there and they say how more and Dick winners

like they weren't I mean how more was a career officer, but Dick Winners wasn't most of the officers in how Moore's unit weren't career US Army officers. In fact, there was a British officer who had done time in the British Army in Rhodesia as a scout, and then he came to the American Army to fight in Vietnam, and then he died on 9-11. He was the head security manager for one of the hedge funds there, and he he died on 9-11. He was the head security manager for one of the hedge funds there,

and he was getting people out. Like, he was a career warrior. He wasn't a career soldier. And it's funny to me, because I read these books, and I'm starting to see this, like, they stay together for more than a year. Like, the 506 and 7th CAV 27,

they stay together the whole time. they I think it was one seven I'm not sure which one how more was one seven or two seven but they stay together for more than a year They work together for more than a year they're together for a long long time and for those that don't know I usually around the two year mark your PCS to another unit like you don't spend more than two years at a unit You're you disappear after that you never you usually never come back to another unit. You don't spend more than two years at a unit. You disappear after that. You never, you usually never come back to that unit. And so these guys were together for multiple years, multiple months trained from like private through basic training through jump school to the combat training to the deployment. And they spent years together.

And then the NCOs in 506, easy company, they were not career soldiers. They were all talking about like going back to college when they get back where should we go, sir? Like you went to college, where should we go? And then how more, he talks about that as well. He's like most of my guys were after that deployment, they left, like they didn't want to be there.

They did their job, they did a great job, and then they left. And then they talk about it in Vanda Brothers, where it's like because the NCOs knew they weren't staying and they weren't career NCOs from the four times, they were hanging out with the men. They were like, hey, what are you doing? I'll go with you.

Oh, you're going to Scotland? Sure, let's go to Scotland instead of going to London and Tarot Park the town or whatever. And so it's funny to me because every time I crack open some of these the best units of the United States Army, it's exactly what you're saying. And I think it's fucking ridiculous-19 year mark because he watched a guy retire and they were saying his hobbies. It was like a first sergeant in fifth group and he was like yeah he likes to watch his son play baseball on the weekends

and he goes out and on the weekends and he Goes out and shoots a lot and he's like his family wasn't even fucking there because he was divorced and his wife at one Custody over the children. He had no hobbies. He had nothing outside of the army He was a full-time career NCO and my dad just broke. He's like I need fucking hobbies. I need something like And keep in mind, from the Gulf War onward, my dad was an every engagement. And then he just became, after that, he was like, I'm gonna do BJJ, I'm gonna go hiking, I'm gonna do all these things.

This isn't it. I can't do this. I can't just full-time it. And so it's funny to hear you say that you think this. And I'm like, I know. I know that's the answer, bro. And it's funny because you're on the other end, right? Like you feel like you've, you kind of had a bad time in the military and you felt like a failure.

And I had a great time. I did, I did great. I did phenomenal. But at the same time, like I look back and it's weird because like, I want it to be better for everybody. Exactly like you said, I'm one of those guys who, when I look at like the soldiers and everything, I'm like, why was everybody like, because I was very fortunate. I got put with a different unit from like a,

a national guard unit who weren't full time soldiers. I was assigned to a national guard unit to help them, bring them up in Southern Afghanistan And you know as well as I do Southern Afghanistan as a fucking hellhole. It's the worst way Besides who our valley out east you know Southern Afghanistan like is where it's at like you don't fucking go there and not Like end up helping kill somebody like you just can't help it It's like stepping in dog shit at the dog park. You're just like, oh man, we killed somebody today. Like, no, like, fucking, no shit.

Sure. But like everybody was killing everybody today. Fuck. Yeah, but like they were a national guard unit. And so I got to get away from the careerism from the huddered and first. And those guys, like my buddy Steven, the guy who basically was my mentor, he would say, like, go ahead,

fire me. I'm just going to go back to my sweet job at UNC Chapel Hill and my hot fucking wife. I'm like, Steven, please don't get us fired. Like, ah, this is my job. Like, stop that. And so, but I was very fortunate for that. And then after like six months, I came back to the 101st and we met up and I had, I ended that tour with three combat medals. And then I came back and everybody was gone.

We lost a CW-5 who got knocked down to CW-4. My battalion commander and my exo from 1-101, they were fired while I was gone. Like, bro, it was like a mass cat, like the Taliban didn't kill us. We killed ourselves. And I was like, what the fuck happened? And I talked to my buddy Chad. He was on, because like I was with him, he was one of the contractors there and I asked him,

I was like, what the fuck happened? He's like, bro, holy shit. He's like, they just got so bored. I was like, what do you like what do you what do you mean they got bored like they started you know that CW4 started fucking that NCO that NCO start having sex with that cat and I'm like we had a war like it's like and so I sit there and I say it like I it's exactly what you're saying and I'm not even like in the same boat as you.

I'm on the other side of the boat, like I had a great time. And then I turn around and it's like, what the fuck? And then it goes into like that, that we're gonna talk about your paper. It goes into that the collective subconscious of like, down south, we had a will to win, we had a will to win we had a will to fight and then everybody else was like

What are they knew it or not subconsciously or consciously they weren't in the fight and Yeah, they were fucking everybody else up and it sucks to hear this but if you're warriors, right? They're words and professionalism professionals in system, in a system designed to seek perfection. The only way to you move up the ladder in this society is to be perfect. Well, here's the thing about that. It's like, it were human beings. It's one of those things like people sit there and like I have to fucking like, because I hate it when people say this, I really do, because it's kind of one of those things like they don't understand history when they say this and I know they don't, is when

they sit there and say we're like Rome, it's like Rome, the end of the day. And you're like my brother and Christ, do you realize how many things came together to make Rome fall all at one point? And it's it's not just the economy, but the military, the politicians, all these things. And it's one of those things that I think, oh, God, I want to say, I want to say after a year, a year after that deployment, about a year into fifth group is when I realized I was like, holy shit, like if you look at Rome as like the Coliseum and like each pillar had to fall, the military, the economy, this, this, this, this, when I got to fifth group and I saw what

was going on, like at the highest level, like this is the highest level of operation you can get to with in-cent calm where we work, we are doing the most of fighting before Russia, but we're doing the most fighting and I saw the level to which we relied on contractors, on specialty units, on all this stuff and the level to which they were performing, not good. And I just sat there and I said, shit that that pillar doesn't like in the regular forces You're like this is good. This is great. And then you end up but fucked with a fucking DD214 And you're like that was not what I thought but like Once again, I'm on the other side of that that

The field where I'm having a good time and I'm looking over at you and I'm looking at this and I'm like No, no, don't worry. worry, don't let that define you. This sucks over here too. It's all broken. It doesn't work. And God help me if like I ever find out that the things I know are no longer TS, I'm going to fucking tell everybody because I'm just going to be like, if you had any idea of what I was dealing with over there, you would be like,

oh, it's fucked from the top down. And I was at the very, very, very, very bottom. Like, yeah, bro, we were. And so it's, essentially bottom line is, it's fucked on all sides of the field, on all sides of the spectrum. Good, bad, high up, low down on the enlisted. If you're paying attention with your eyes open, eyes open, what is it? Mouth shut, eyes open, ears open. Like, you'll look around, you'll be like, what the fuck is going on? Like, and then God help you if

you read good books about good units, like the e-drain, how more easy company, the book, not the movie, read the book, and then go back to your unit and sit there and go, oh, fuck. And I guess the next question, the begging of the question here with our rants here is, what do we do? What do we do to fix that? How does that fix? And it goes to some arguments we had in the discord like

a platoon level a Tactical level and I'm I'm glad I'm so glad so glad that our principal based warfare system is based in the Tactical environment and not the operational or the fucking strategic environment because God forbid we have a field officer trying to freaking dictate shit on the battle, which is happening, by the way, with our soft units and causing issues, but when you take a grunt fucking unit, a company level, in a specific area to do combat operations with a certain amount of assets or ass, they get shit done. And they do it in an incredibly creative manner because they only have what they have. That's what I fucking love about conventional military

on the smallest tactical level, the company down. In battalions, you get a little strategic with battalions more operational, but from a company down, I watched grunts, basic fucking buries. Do more shit and have a better impact in say the coin environment that we're doing, but also in a kinetic environment, then what we were trying to do at recon, which was complete horse shit. Oh, dude, you got it. I don't want to cut you off, but this is in the Intel Army Intel community for officers. They have what's called JSOC deployments. You can raise your hand and

you can volunteer to go on a JSOC deployments. You can raise your hand and you can volunteer to go on a JSOC deployment supporting Ranger Battalion, Delta Force, all the cool guys. And they get everything. I'm talking ISR, satellite, imagery, everything. You want it, you got it. Like, there isn't, and the world is your oyster. Like there is more funding in JSOC than there is anywhere else. And so they would they would go. You would see other Intel officers walking around with JSOC patches like I'd play JSOC for six months. And it's dude it's exactly like you're saying. Like I was hooking up signal Intel equipment Jerry Reagan it to a fucking black hawk while dropping

Jammer rocks out of the fucking More nice like that we found in a container collecting dust They were like little rocks you could like turn on and it would jam VHF traffic Also, we would fly over collect a bunch of fucking sighing from a village and then we would turn the VHF off And then the next day or like the next morning we'd go out again because essentially we would fly over a village and then everybody who was Taliban talking on radios wasn't talking anymore. And so we'd go look again because obviously the Taliban would be like what the fuck happened

over there. And then you'd see all these Taliban on the mountains talking and all these dudes talking and like, ah, it doesn't work no more. And this just fucking foam rock outside the village, jamming the whole village. And so like, I remember this, like things we were doing like that, like making drug deals with units. Like, hey, what are the Polish doing? Oh, the Polish don't even have any fucking intel

or information. Let's work with them. Do you speak Polish? Fuck no, I don't, but we got Google Translate. And so we're Google Translating. Like, how do you, like, what do you do it? What do I, what, and then you sit there and you meet a lieutenant who is on J-Soc,

and they're like, well, I did this, I did ISR, and we watched bad guys get blown up. I'm like, my brother in Christ, I was so trapped behind the portage on to get ISR. Like I was like, dick for fucking MQ9. I'm like, and I, once again, from the other side of the field, I'm looking over at you like, yeah, it's fucked over here too. Like conventional units got the thing done.

Like, and so, yeah, I don't. Yeah, yeah. But, let's talk about your paper. Let's talk about your paper, because it's good. Let's get into the weeds, get into the shit. So tell me what you think first off. So she said, you took almost all of your stuff from us. And so it was very painful.

Because for those that don't know, let me just back it up, the page croitone report. That's actually me and Matt. So if you hate us, welcome. OK. But yeah, I was gonna say, it was kind of painful because we went through that in real time, right?

Like everything in your paper, like we were feeling it, like but we couldn't put it like our finger on it to be, like the echo chambers, like you're talking about, isolate and that stuff. And so while I was reading it, I was just thinking, I was like, bro, this is, it's a plate. It's, as I say about like,

pregozion and other people, it's not a tale, it's a template, right? Like this is how you conduct social media warfare. And for those that don't believe that that is the future, I'm telling you right now, me and Matt are fucking casualties of it, like I've been Instagram killed. And so it's, all I would say to that effect is it's real. It's not a fucking joke.

It is incredibly painful to see that like we couldn't even, like just, not even talk or discuss it. We couldn't even say like, hey, this is happening without just getting massive fucking Russian wave body piled. Just so many accounts, just shitting on us. And like, all the same talking points, like your paper discusses, it's like, they have the same three points.

And you're just like, these are all easily fucking defeated points. Like you're not even reading two layers, like you're not even reading two pages into a book with this shit. And so and then a of these stuff was interesting as well because a of these is he's neutral. He just likes talking he's autistic and likes talking about Russian tanks and they still sit there and fuck with him. And so you're just like why? Why on God's green earth is this a thing? And so it was I think it was a whole lot of time. Turn off this fucking refrigerator. He's a fucking shit. Yeah so it was I liked it a lot.

We'll have to put it in a Dropbox or something because I know your professor shit on you, but I think, I honestly think that if you're gonna be an Ocent page or you're gonna be some guy who likes to talk about intelligence or information or any of that stuff, read this paper because you're going to be, you're on the front lines, essentially.

You're getting the trench grab a gun because if you have anything to say, if you're gonna look at the information and you're gonna analyze it, you're going to be subjected to social media warfare. And I don't think it should be called siops. I don't think it should be called anythingops I don't think it should be called anything besides social like you know some type of social media warfare

because it's not it makes sense yeah it's not information warfare because there's no information in there it's just fucking it's hands clucking at you oh man what the fuck oh man you're you're giving

you're giving one of of that, baby. Let's go. But go ahead, so that's my take. Like going right off of that, right off of your experience is your visceral feeling of like what happened to you. We're going to dive into this to explain to anyone who's listening to this. What the fuck we're talking about. I wrote a paper literally exploring social media as a mechanism for information

and psychological warfare. I wanted to look into how pervasive and how well it's crafted. It's to present to you specific information that you consume that will literally, literally control the decisions you make on a daily basis. That's the whole point of information warfare and psychological warfare, is to change your behavior. And social media is quite literally designed to do exactly that. We are all susceptible to it, including myself, including the highest levels of intelligence. Every single person is susceptible to this kind of mechanism, this kind of warfare, this kind of combat.

So when you read it, I break it down Barney's style because I really wanted to hand this to person who has no fucking clue what we're talking about. And to read through it and be like, oh, this is how the human brain learns, right? How we physically learn. This is how, you know, how we obtain information and create a belief, create a bias. For those of you who've heard belief and bias be thrown around a lot, we'll break it down even more by adding a third opinion. So a bias is quite literally information or experience about a certain subject that you've encountered in your life that you've studied,

listen to, read or experienced. It is a perception of the world based off of that. That's a bias. Opposed to that is what's known as an opinion. An opinion is basically how you feel about something that has zero, zero, you know, like, uh, uh, uh, based off of anything. It's not based off of that. It's just how you feel about that. It's not substantiated by really any evidence. It's just like, my opinion is how I feel about bananas when they get to ripe by fucking hate house weekly art. So I throw them away. That's my opinion, right? That's not my bias. The bias would be like, hey, opinion right that's not my bias the bias would be like hey the banana as it gets too spotted it looks gross tastes gross therefore I'm no longer going to eat it that's the biases there the opinion is spotted bananas are right bananas

are terrible there's a difference belief? Ooh, fuck. So a belief, right, is stronger. It's absolutely stronger than a bias. Because a belief is something that doesn't require evidence to do for an individual to behave towards it, right? If you believe in God, for example, we believe it's something that you don't see. It's something that you cannot physically touch or experience, but you believe in, right? There's many different types of beliefs out there, social media, right? We look at an image or a video and because it ties to a bias or an opinion

of ours if we're reading a comment, we now form a belief, there's no evidence that supports this belief, but we before a belief based off of that comment video or picture. Beams are a perfect example because they tie in an emotional reaction to an immediate visual reference that can also bring up ex-past experiences. When you combine all that shit together you change your beliefs. If you can change a belief you can change a person's behavior. If you change a person's behavior you now can manipulate that individual to do something that they previously would do. Boom. Psychological operations. It's literally the whole fucking definition. And how do you do that? Well, information warfare. Information warfare is controlling all the

means of information being shown to an individual or individuals in a specific environment where your area of operations, your AO, or AOR, area of responsibility. So the information operation is literally the internet and it's the social media platform. The psychological operation is the design of social media. So you make a profile and you have pictures and you have videos and you interact with it on your phone. So it's a physical interaction. So it has audio, it has tactile because you're physically interacting with it and it has visual, listen to videos and seeing pictures and talking to people through a text chat.

It combines all those things together, the three methods and how we learn. It then allows you to see other forms of people's opinions and see information in the environment that collected through the internet. It's the perfect information operation because if you present something to someone, they now see it and they're and they're voluntarily doing it. They're voluntarily scrolling through Instagram, Facebook, whatever, right? They're voluntarily doing it so that now builds an inhabit. They build a habit to it and then if you have stuff like little red icons because you have a message or You know someone liked something or they commented on something you click on it red means stop red is taught is is

Which is funny. It's the lowest end of the visual spectrum weird of the visual spectrum. Weird. Because we need to have a white background or a black background, red stands out. So we must click it. Right? We must get rid of the red. Red is back. Right? So we click on that and we look at that and we interact with it some more and it builds in this habit. Oh boy. So now your building habits compounded on information that is sent to you or inside your visual preference. Now you have stuff like, I don't know, algorithms. And reason why algorithms were created and designed is not what social media tells you. Like those, you know, like, oh, it's for safety. No, it's fucking isn't. Money.

He comes down to that, buddy. It comes down to fucking cold, hard cash. How do they sell shit to you? How do they make money through social media? At space. At times. Clicks. Right?

They show you an ad for a product. Click on it. That gets that generates money. You go there. You buy the product that generates money Awesome. Oh, they want you to buy things Don't give a fuck what that thing is, but they want you to buy it You're an individual that has preferences and likes and different things that you want to buy or purchase or consume How do they tailor? How do they well? I went a little head here, how do they get you to click on it? How do they get you to buy

that product? Well, they tailor it to you, to the individual. Well, how do they tailor it to you, the individual, they must create a profile on you. And guess what? You already created a profile for them. You've given them your face. You've given them your location. You've given them your address, your phone number, your email. They can tile that together and pick apart what's known as metadata. Once they have a profile on you, they can look at your behavior. What do you click on? What do you look at? What do you like? What do you save on your profile to view later? How many times do you click on something

and look at that image or video or short clip or real or vine or which I love vines, by the way? Got a response. A tech talk, all that shit. All that metadata builds essentially a target package on you, baby. It is a pattern of life, P-O-L. So they can target advertisement toward you, for you to have the greater propensity to click on something and add by something. That's how

their money is generated. That's how they have these algorithms. You know what? I was going to add to that and this is something. So when it comes to the algorithm as well, as it gives you what you actually want. Not what you want what you actually want. And so this is going to hurt a lot of people. Scroll through your search. Actually, you know what? Don't do that. Get down, get out a piece of paper. Write down your goals in life. Just like, hey, I want to get fit. I want to get, like, so for me, I want to get good at shooting. I want to get fit. I want to get like so for me. I want to get good at shooting. I want to get in good shape and running shape. I want to find good books to read and I want to go find vacation places. That's what I want to use my social media for. I want to do those things. If I

want to go to my search history right now and search through all the things on my Instagram, not fucking one of those things is in my Instagram, because when I'm sitting there eating my bag of fuckin' fungions or whatever, it's showing me hot girls dancing and it's showing me funny memes and it's showing me fuckin' all these other things that I really don't want, but I secretly want. It knows what you secretly want to sit there and pop your fat ass down on

the couch and just scroll. And so it's not your algorithm knows who you really are. Not who you say you are, who you really are, which sucks. You'll scroll for hours. It's designed to do that because you keep on scrolling up, right? You scroll up. It's a visual thing. We scroll left and right while there are dating apps, right? And then we scroll up.

That visual cue, because it did research on this, by the way, you can look this shit up. Q because they did research on this by the way you can look this shit up I think it's Andrew Hugherman the Hugherman lab podcast he has his own site he's a neurobiologist he also studies the eyes the ocular stuff he's fantastic I think he actually has papers on this I'm not mistaken where he talks and discusses about how social media kind of dumbs a person down, it shortens their attention span, and it forces them into this loop of behavior to that the algorithm can gain more information on you and trap you within it. That's the whole purpose of it. It sucks because why do we join social media platforms to consume and spread ideas and interests that connect us with the other human beings,

which is the most vile thing of this all, because it's in our human nature. It's in our nature as human beings to connect with other people that we see as similar, have similar likes and interests and experiences in life quote-unquote tribe Now like how Sebastian Younger, you know tribe very good book love it which talks about that Which is the perfect time to plug the patreon and discord no That's that's actually why. What the fucking Patreon pages. No, it's actually how I came up with the idea was that I told Matt I was like, we got

to give him a tribe. I was like, none of these other Ocent Intel analyst discussion pages have the discord tribe that does things together. I was like, it'll work, trust me. It'll be like, it did. Yeah, it did. That's the truth, man. And that's a good thing because we crave that as human beings. If we don't have a tribe, we become this mindless husk,

each and every day going to work, coming home, going to work, coming home, never doing anything outside ourselves. And we find ourselves in a midlife crisis. So we go and we buy the hot sports core, we fuck the secretary, we get a fucking divorce, we are like what the fuck are we doing with our lives and we were you know all that whole cycle of bullshit there's cliches for a reason. We get caught up in this race of life because we allow the societal norms to push onto us and separate us from our tribes, separate us from our people.

When we come together as a people, we finally come together as a tribe and each individual tribe, and we can have multiple ones. We come together. We shed that pain and that rat race. And when we get outside of ourselves and do things that challenge us to make us feel like a man again, to make us feel like a woman again, to find those roles again in society, it cures a lot of bullshit. And that's what social media is trying to stop is trying to isolate us

and insulate so that we continue to scroll so that we continue to click on ads and continue to make the money. Well, now that you understand, but hey, we're it's designed to make us addicted to it. It's designed to isolate us and insulate us into these bubbles because if we're joined together with other alike people, we interact with them, we're going to stay around, we stay there. And that's what the out safety algorithm, right, of like making sure there's no quote unquote hate speech, right? The safety stuff of it. Meanwhile, what they don't tell you is that fucking terrorists are doing the same fucking thing on Instagram.

They're caught up in their own little bubble too talking about how to, you know, how to manuals for terrorism. Right? And that's a dirty little secret nobody fucking talks about. It exists. You just gotta go looking for it. You'll fucking find that trash. We're talking, we see people being basically see people being basically not just like extremism

or which happens too. They recruit people online. That's how you get these lone wolf attacks. But they also have manuals and training and like how-to videos are making shit. I'm not going to go into too big of a deal. that's another topic for another day but that happens on the same free social media platforms that we consume on a daily basis it's fucking there but yet they say oh no you can't uh uh uh you know they're not gonna allow to see that because you're out the algorithm doesn't allow it you're not going to allow you to see that because you're out the algorithm doesn't allow it. You're not going to see the liberalist side of viewpoints of things and how they think and comment. I'm going to see yeah yeah so you're

trying to like insulate you to a certain what we call bubbles. It's the term used in a couple of papers is these bubbles. You're caught in these little concentric bubbles and rings in the social media sphere. And think of it as like your area of influence, right? You can only touch and influence these people because the algorithm wants you in these areas. And that insulates you. It isolates you from other ideas and other people and other viewpoints. You don't see those things.

So you continuously reinforce your own known beliefs in which reinforces your ego, which reinforces your habits, and reinforces your behaviors. That's what I was about to say and I don't think people even know that. It is it is so bad like to see that for other people right like you I don't know I put this up. Maybe you have some parents or somebody in your life who's a little bit older and they're just like,

well, I saw this on the news or I saw this and I saw that. And it's like, well, where? What was it? And it's such an age of disinformation because like, I fuck, we ran a fucking, uh, information into a news, quote, page. And like, we could have said whatever the fuck we wanted to. And I mean, there are news pages out there that do that. And so you end up in these echo chambers of guys and gals who post these things with the twist that they want. They don't analyze it or they don't say that the analysis and like a lot of people don't understand

that an analysis is just an educated guess. It's not the be all handle. And so if you, I don't know, end up in a group that is naffo, and you end up in that echo chamber, it can not just be an echo chamber, it could be a downward spiral into oblivion, like where you just don't come out of that. The downward spiral, right?

Like, as you're talking about the news and you're talking about the, how, like, you end up in that echo chamber and how you basically, like, if you join a group, like, let's say you join the kitback group, you're gonna go into our echo chamber and we're gonna be talking about the things we want to talk about like

I don't know Mozambique or Armenia being the greatest nations of all time or you're gonna You're gonna end up in a group like Nafo who's like Ukraine's gonna win at any That you craintry you gonna win or you know you end up in LGBTQ and you end up thinking that conservatives are the devil and they want to put you all in camps and so it's just like It's not just an echo chamber, but it that echo chamber builds and builds and builds upon itself You know they go from like inside jokes to like, you know You start building that tower of thought and you will arrive at the destination together like I'll say something You'll say something and then we're putting bricks down as the conversation moves in our echo chamber.

And that echo, yeah, I was about to tie it together here. Like that echo chamber is the collective consciousness, the topics, the belief systems, the habits, the behavior, that's the collective conscious of that group. And when that group turns and looks at something else, looks at another group. I believe Travis Haley talks about this in his podcast, which is pretty good, I like it. I like Haley, he's got good things. But he calls it a common enemy intimacy. We see another group and we either are associated with that group because we have a common enemy in mind.

Therefore, you're my friend. Now Now you are part of the collective consciousness, even though you might disagree, or you have different behaviors or different value sets. And that's how you get these weird conglomerations of groups, so you might be a liberal. You don't agree with, say, I don't know, like what happened at plan parenthood stuff, but you still stick with that side because it's better than being a conservative

and being ultra-religious and you know think their whole objections to that sort of thing. So you never get that causes that polarization of people on one side or the other that boils over into civil unrest and that is the true mechanisms that other foreign actors want to do to us the United States through the use of social media that's how they do it baby they they go into our echo chambers they they go into these groups and they create fake bots that are incredibly lifelike, incredibly lifelike, and they spread information. It's disinformation coming from them, but as soon as another person picks it up, comments

on it, and then reposts it, it's now misinformation because there's no context to that information. And that can be spread all the way up to a major news media corporation that is unfortunately the individual reporter and the culture of that news agency is now so individualistic that the biases of that news reporter is now going to immediately repost that or use that as fact rather than i don't know lead look into this thing

figure out where the sources are coming from the sea that it's complete bullshit and they posted as fact this is this is something that i find very funny that it's complete bullshit. And then they posted his fact. This is something that I find very funny. And it's that when Pergocon launched his coup, all the Intel pages on Instagram were bragging about the fact that they were the ones posting it. They were the ones talking about it. And CNN and MSNBC and Fox hadn't picked up the story. So while you're talking about the subliminal undertones, like kind of like digging under the news, digging under their trenches and coming up

from underneath and inserting themselves into the reporter, into the newsroom, I think it's funny because it's actually happening from a different angle as well. Because it's not just coming up from underneath. It's coming directly at them. And that's, you know, you've got these intel pages and these Ocent pages. Reporting on these events and these things on Russian Telegram, as if it were true or as if it were news. You know, like all these telegrams were posting, like,

oh, there's a coup, fucking progoge, it's going all the way to a fucking Moscow. Remember, remember, remember. And like, the Ocent pages picked it up and ran. They picked it up and ran. And trust me when I say this, it is very easy to grow an Ocent page. If you are in the middle of like, I wonder if I should do an Intel page. I wonder if I could do that. Let me do that.

So easy right now, but here's the thing you gotta do. Just talk about Ukraine. And that's, and that's, the kicker is that like all these information, all this, these telegram things were coming out and these Ocent pages were fucking pushing it and they were pushing it

and they were getting all these likes, all the algorithm, it's fucking shot through the roof and like repost after repost and then they, you know, they cross post with each other. If it were fake, if that were fake, if they could have kept it fake for eight hours, your news pay like for eight hours, you wouldn't have known what the fuck was going on. Like you would have just. There's a coup.

There's a coup for eight. That means for eight hours, the world was in the dark. Or it could have been. And so you may sit there and you're like, well, the coup was real. Yeah, the coup was real. Cody, you don't know what you're talking about. Well, like, well, what I'm saying, if it wasn't, how many and then MSNBC and CNN and Fox, this is what I say, I say, it's coming at it directly. It's because they got to play catch up. And they don't do they have time to bring the editors in the room and go, is this real? Is it not?

Do we report on this? And we all like to sit there and joke that modern news media today doesn't do that. They don't take those things into consideration. They don't talk about these things. But in reality, they do. And they kind of have to. Because they have sponsorships, they have ads, they have to run, they have all these things. But in reality, they do. And they kind of have to, because they have

sponsorships, they have ads, they have to run, they have all these things that they're, you know, they're tied to that they could lose if they're not, like, you know, a trusted source. And so for eight hours, our media, maybe more, maybe 24 hours, I would say, as Pergusion was doing his coup, everyone was blind. And I'm willing to bet that the intel community minus a couple triple letter agencies didn't know what the fuck was going on either. And if it were that, I'm telling you right now,

the G2 who's in charge of like the train advise assist mission for Ukraine was probably like woken up in the middle of the night. Like what the fuck's going on? have a coup we have all this shit like you I mean imagine if you did that imagine if you did like oh there is a full blown coup happening in the eastern side of Ukraine all this stuff You know Russians are laying down their arms. Yeah, awesome, and then you attack from the north through Belarus. Yes Like exactly. Do you have any idea?

I from the North through Belarus. Yes. Exactly. Do you have any idea how cash will go off at that guy? And I say that like Russia could do it, Russia can't. I've learned that Russia can barely put two feet in front of each other and walk a straight line and neither can you create. But I'm just saying like to kind of put that emphasis on information warfare for like 24 hours, if you just pump the news cycles full of like,

oh, Russians are retreatinging there's a coup going on But meanwhile in reality the truth is they're coming down from the north for 24 hours Nobody would have known shit that the fucking triple letter agencies would have had to kick in the door of the train Advise the cis mission and been like no They're under attack. There's a whole god damn army corps down from the north. Get your ass and gear. What? Like, like, shit. Like, dude, I was built every, every, like, when I first saw that, when I first saw, like, news of this, that's a meeting where my mind went. I was like, this is the perfect, absolute perfect deception operation.

That absolute perfect psychological operation because how it spread to social media and how it controlled everyone's thinking. This is perfect for Russia to do a fucking left hook, right? This is absolutely beautiful. We're gonna see something happen And I was and then when then when time went on and I was like nothing is happening and I'm like fuck maybe this is real We're talking back and forth. I was like fuck man. I thought this was like a fucking somehow for some shit And then maybe this is real and it was, you know, it's like right there at the five and a half hour mark, where it's like, man, this is really happening maybe, you know?

And it's like, it. Well, let's see what happens, buddy. Come on, Projok, go, oh, go away. We're going over here, like, I want to see some fireworks, man. I want to see some shit happen. I want to see some shit happen I want to see that I want to see like the Soviet nation adding to their throats and whatever, you know Just I want to see the drama because I fucking love that shit Yeah, and like oh no he turns around and fucking walks away like Dude because here's the thing right like we talked about too. Like then he ended up North of Belarus.

And we were talking like, oh shit, now he's closer to Kiev than he's ever been. Like this is ridiculous. And we're like, this is a faint. And then everyone was like, no, everything's a saw-up. Not everything's an operation. And so to kind of cover my own ass on that and yeah, we may have been wrong if we were, he's dead.

To kind of add to that is like, okay, hold up. If we're sitting here and we're talking about, how shit Russia is, how bad Russia is at this. And then you look over at Ukraine and they're barely holding on fighting that guy. That's like losing a barely winning the race against the fat kid and you're like, man, he's so fat. Am I right guys? Like, you're fat too. You won by an inch. Like fucking like you don't get to sit there and be like, Hey guys, you see how fucking

disjointed and how shit the Russian army is? It's like you're barely hanging on, bro. Stop talking. And it writes, writes to that, writes to that that right there like why everybody believes you trains winning why what because they're so fucking good at what the Russians do too they're so good at this at this psychological stuff the social media stuff is all for me to work there's very no sleep good i mean look at all the people all you mean we can we can be derogatory called in shills but yeah look at all the people, all, I mean, we can, we can be derogates boring, call them shills. But yeah, look at everyone who's like Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. And when, when you try to argue with people and try to

show facts and change in like, hey, here's a different opinion. Here's a different assessment based off of what we're hearing from certain sources. And they're like, no, that's not the truth. That can't be the fucking truth. Well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, man. And I try to ask questions, probably questions to draw the so what from people.

I'm like, okay, so what? Are you showing me the evidence that leads to this assessment and conclusion that Ukraine is actually winning when we're hearing conflicting issues and the only valid and sound evidence that I can think of for casualty numbers and casualty ratings,

is the fact that the mortuary in Russia are reporting a specific number of people. Right? And like, hey, that's a number we can go off of that we can slightly trust a little bit more than the numbers coming from Ukraine because Ukrainians are doing a very good job of controlling the information. And if someone says, oh no bro, blah blah blah, like dude, it's in Ukraine's best interest to control information.

It just is. It's part of warfare, part of information warfare, and they're doing a good job, which is great. It's fantastic for them, but it destroys our perceptions here in the United States of what's truly going on. It destroys our ability to look at something objectively and truly have an assessment and look at facts because if we don't have facts our basis, our bias of decision-making where assessments is going to be false and wrong because we have now a cognitive bias over what we see because we're stuck in an echo chamber because information is being fed to us.

This works like you said, both ways. Top, down, bottom, up. It's an amazing concept because anyone anywhere in the world can touch you and manipulate you through that system. That's so, so, it's,'s here's the thing. It's not physically hurting you. It's not physically telling you to do something. Oh, it's even worse, dude. It's changing small little things in your mind. If you can get someone to agree with the They are relinquishing control to you. And then you get them to a greet as something different, and there's something more, and there's something more, and there's something more. Perfect example, man. I have a very good friend of Binds, a co-worker. He is a little bit more spiritual and religious than I am. We got into a religious discussion about God and what we should do as being according to his authorities.

I kind of bowled down to this, how do you view evil in the world? Do you believe evil should be vanquished? He was like, yes. Okay. All right. How do you view evil in the world? Do you believe evil should be vanquished? And he was like, yes. Okay. All right. So what about people who do evil things? Should they be vanquished?

And he's like, yes. And I'm like, what classifies as an evil thing, right? And kind of gotten to that discussion of like morals and values and certain actions. And I'm like, okay. What if you had a small group of people doing that evil thing because they're part of a larger group of people with a culture that allows that to happen? He's like, well, it should be stopped too.

And I'm like, whoa, okay, so you're saying that we should eliminate, kill all these people who do this evil thing because they're what also related to that person because that culture allows that thing to happen he's like yes I'm like so you're talking about allowing genocide to happen is that wrong he looked at me and he's like it is exactly yes like like see if you get someone to agree to certain things, they will commit, they will commit atrocities, dude. So that's in the army.

Yeah, I was going to say in the army, we have miso cells, which are military information, support operations. There's siops, civil affairs, and intel. And we have a seven-step planning process. I had to pull it up because I forgot it. But it's a you plan your target audience analysis, TAA, serious, serious development. So you're not just doing one thing.

You're like, okay, we're going to do this. Then we're going to do this. Then this, then this, then this, then this. And so it's exactly like you said, we do one sentence. We just need one thing. Agree your disagree. Kind of push it forward. Product development and design, we get approval,

production, distribution, dissemination, and evaluation. So it's a whole series. It doesn't just start with one and then end. It goes one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And so we're trying to go from A to B and how do we get you to go from A to B in the thought process. And like I said, the cell is comprised of intelligence officers, so how's, and civil affairs.

Literally the three guys that you don't want making an Intel page, making an Instagram, Intel, whatever page, and then you just follow it. And we play games against ISIS on Twitter, and we play games in Baghdad, or we play games and back that or we play games with the pkk and Peshmerga well Fernando and and I mean you want to really really really fucking good Meso campaign look at Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan is Croshing Armenia and the social sphere. They are everything you just said, they get you to agree for a little bit like arteshes Azerbaijan territory This this corridor here. It's it's Azerbaijan territory. This is Azerbaijan. This is a you and and they they slowly get you from point a to b to like where you're sitting there and you're sitting there and you're yeah you're then re-agreing to genocide. Yeah you're agreeing to genocide of the Armenian people and you don't even know it and I'm really grateful for our

Armenian friends and the guys who've come on to the podcast and talked to us because it's they're a textbook example of not exactly what you're saying. Turkey and Azerbaijan are using caviar, they are the masters in this day and age, I would say. For the last decade, I would say they have been the masters at Miso and information warfare by getting people to agree with them. This is Azerbaijan. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. Yeah. Well, that would pay them, but I mean, like they pay the politicians. Obviously, you got to pay them, but I mean, they get the people, the people of those countries

to just kind of look the other way and kind of, you don't, they, and that's the thing. You don't even need the person to agree with you. You just need them to question it. The minute they go, wait a minute, then you punch them in like it's already over That's like if I was I was a by John and you were Armania and the listener you were The rest of the world and I just said I just said you wouldn't know it but badass adventure company here He has beaten me to a pulp abused me and He has beaten me to a pulp abused me and

Taken my land from me and I'm just this simple little man And he's hurt me so much and the minute you sit there and you look down and you go is Cody really? The victim here. I'm just like stabbing you in the fucking face and going see exactly got blood all over me They got blood all over me I'm like fucking It's your blood! It's blood! It's bad as it is And the minute you sit there and you question you go, huh? And then it's like, bam, arctesh Just fucking right in the jugular just, ah shit

Like 120,000 people trapped in dying It's like, did we just Did we just fall for that? No, no, no They're a series. You don't No, no, you don't Don't go there. Don't look They are a series. You don't, no, no, you don't go there. Don't look, they are a series, they are a series people, and they're being mean, and I'm wearing a Russian uniform, but don't look at me.

I'm in a series in a Russian uniform. Uh-huh. Forget it. It makes sense, right? Yeah, it's true. I'm just trying to keep the peace. Well, in that case, stab again. Fuck it.

The minute, and that's kind of the shitty part part is like not just the minute you look away or you question it or whatever. It's the fact that even if you were looking, even if you were paying attention and reading to the whole fucking thing that was going on in Arteche and Armenia and Azerbaijan, you're so beaten down and so emasculated, women and men, you ain't gonna do shit. And a really good buddy of mine, Tobin. Actually, I could say it now. Tobin. Tobin, uh, his, uh, are you still there? Yeah, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I was gonna say Tobin. There was a girl who was in the field artillery.

I'm not gonna say her name, hopefully she can come on the podcast because she's a very successful intel officer now. Oh, yeah. She works for a big, big top 500 company. She was in the field artillery, then she branched over to Intel and very incredible woman and She sat there and one day she was telling her company commander like what was going on and in the middle of a JRTC rotation and during a platoon leader meeting and the dude turned around and Punched her right in the fucking face and said I don't want to hear a goddamn thing out of your mouth for the rest of the day.

And she said that in like a fifth-group leadership meeting and she goes, what would you have done in that scenario? And all these guys sat there and they're like, I would have beat it, I would have stood up, I would have done this, I'd have done that. She goes, let me tell you something, this is what happened. She goes, I was surrounded by four men who had all passed and graduated range of school. Not one of them said a god damn thing. They just sat there and watched. She goes, I had to go get the, she's like, I had to go get my for my platoon sergeant who then called the MPs and had him arrested. She goes, so the next time you think that you're going to be the hero, the next time you think you're going to do something in a position of authority or something's going to happen or I wouldn't have saluted the Nazis. She was, I don't know, she goes, you wouldn't

do shit. And I was like, damn, damn. And like it has a lot to do with many things, but I mean like positions of authority, like you're talking about Yeah, you know like if you see it we're we were an Instagram page with 25,000 followers It was just me and Matt fucking around at Christmas on a couch like sending like right up to each other like post this like People still freak out when we like message them like hey, what's up man? They're like oh my god crew a ton report like bro I'm I suck like but hey, what's up man? They're like, oh my God, Croatone report, like bro, I'm, I suck, like, but that delusion of things, right? Like that, that the follower count, you know, he's got it.

And you can buy followers, you can buy 10,000 followers for like 500 bucks. And then all of a sudden you're in a position of authority to say and do whatever the fuck you want. Or you can just post a bunch of pro-Ukrainian war shit and gain another 10-15 followers over the course of three months and then you're at 25,000 and then you're at the you're standing shoulder to shoulder with all kind of us too. And then then what do you do? All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, you can faint that you're an expert because you spent X amount of years doing something in a certain

organization for a certain area of military combat arms. And because you might have familiar airty with certain things, or you're just, I don't know, some lame nerd who studied this shit and feels that they're an expert they now have an opinion. They can share an opinion on certain equipment in an active combat zone and that they can now prove and predict what's going to happen in a war. But, but for some reason they capture close to 150,000 people whenever they they launch a tweet, holy shit. Now you have an individual who- Okay, I don't know what to talk about. I was about to say- Yeah, and let's say- I was literally about to say-

And then let's pretend you're British and you're in the tank regiment and you have a shitty haircut with no hair gel. And you're not- I was gonna go after AFV but no, it took me a second to realize like- and you're in the tank regiment and you have a shitty haircut with no hair gel. And you're not. I was gonna go after AFE, but now it took me a second to realize like, oh, you're talking about someone who really, really is lying. Oh, that guy. Oh, hey, tell you what, if you do wanna know who this guy

has come to the discord, because we're always fucking having a yuck laugh at this shit. But no, I know who exactly that guy, holy shit, that is amazing. That is absolutely, I know now I've gotta go from joking and laughing to like how, like if you actually look at him with respect to how his reach is, it's mind blowing.

It's much, like not even joking, not even hyperbole or joking or anything. if you knew who we were talking about it is staggering how much misinformation It just how many people he's got wrapped around his finger and like all of us from Intel to infantry to dudes who you know, AFV recognition who's at God damn tank genius, all of us are in agreeance. Like this guy's a fucking idiot, but he has, he has so much reach. Like, everybody, there's dudes saying he should get a fucking metal for his work. And it's like, what? Like, like, what? Like, it's like, oh, what?

But when you, as because nobody knows the difference, yeah, because he was able to establish, you know, his information operation without any resistance whatsoever, because he claimed to be in authority of a certain area that is very nuanced and very small. And people, but is very fascinating and interesting when you see it every single day and it's arguably, arguably the icon of modern warfare. Pigs. Holy fucking shit, their cool spot. The sound of a tank warring down the fucking street is quite literally the modern era of warfare.

The 20th century coming at you weighing fucking over 20 tons, the shoot a 150, 150, 180, whatever millimeter, centimeter, freaking object of steel and pain and suffering towards you. Like, it's this a role to see a fucking tank in action right next to it. And someone who claims to have knowledge of this who might actually have knowledge because they've studied these things or they've been around them or they've kind of been in that environment for a certain period of time. When they come onto the scene and say, I've done this, I do this, I do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they claim to have an authority. That should be a flag in someone's mind. Like, why are they trying to claim something? Why not show your knowledge like AFD does? Oh man a f e doesn't have shit in his bio bro he doesn't talk about it a lot

he just he just post pictures and he describes details of specific tanks because he's fascinated by it in that level of autism that shows his expertise in it he has a objective expertise and experience in these complicated machinery, which people are interested in. And that's how he's gotten a really good following. But you look at this other guy.

He's claiming all these things, and he says something really stupid or diametrically opposed to say someone like AFV, but what he says is specifically to elicit an emotional response. Yes. Oh God, it's so good. It's so good. It's so good. Keep going. Sorry.

But here's the fun thing. Here's the fun thing. He isn't even like thinking out of it as an information operation. He's not trying to manipulate you. He's just a dumbass who wants validity, who wants to feel wanted, who wants to feel good about themselves because they feel like they're an authority. They want to feel that dopamine fucking hit from someone believing they're bullshit. And they think they know these things. That's the worst kind of person in the world when it comes to this store stuff

because they are true believeers. They truly believe that they are something and they'll and as soon as they hit a resistance or someone provides them resistance they will go back to what they think is the truth. They think they've done X, Y, and Z. So they're gonna try to claim X, Y, and Z. Oh, I did this, so I did this, so I did this. But does that really make you an expert on this stuff? You've done so many different things over our quarter of course, 22 year career in the military.

Are you really an expert if you've done so many different things at once? No, not a fucking chance buddy. I love it. Not a fucking chance. I love that he does that. The emotional response thing, like when he's confronted with like extra, like not even extreme detail, just detail. Like hey, there's this, this, this, and this, you're not considering. He's just like immediately, and if you've ever attended his live chats, it's immediately, I was in war, I've been shot at, I've been blown up.

I'm a disabled veteran, you wouldn't know. Why? Wow, you're so mad, bro. Like, it's not a big deal. And like, all these things, but it's deflection, every time. The minute you have to sit there and you say, I was just joking and then you're just like, that's when that shit hits hard. I hate that shit.

When somebody says something, I was just joking. And they obviously weren't. It's the deflection piece. And it's like, no, no, no, no, I wasn't. Fuck off, like, come here. Yeah. And it it's And that's and that's what you're facing the social media man. You don't the true believers It's and that's oh yeah, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead because it is

I'm about to like I'm about to like I was if you if like, I was, if you, if you come to the discord, if you join the Patreon, you'll get to read my paper. And there's one part of my paper I did not get to because it's already a well-informed document where I say, well, a form is fucking huge, but it's long, I'm sorry, but it's really cool. It's my baby. There's one thing I didn't do that I really wanted to fucking do, man. And I wanted to explore the concept of a stand-alone

complex. This comes to the discussion of true believers, right? A stand-alone concept concept complex is a really a concept, a machine of its own that spontaneously arises through the collective consciousness. It happens on its own, and people will associate themselves with this standalone complex as a belief system or an idea that will change people's behavior immediately. That is what I wanted to truly study as a phenomenon in the social media sphere. However, there is literally zero tools, zero, absolutely zero tools for me to do this. It doesn't exist. There's no way for me to go into the metadata of social media and pull apart the data that shows users spreading disinformation and then that disinformation, changing to misinformation

and then over time that user creating a different opinion, a different belief system. There's upon the previous disinformation and misinformation that will change their behavior and other people's behavior around them. Oh, that is the ultimate end goal. Think about that for a second. What if Russia fills an entire campaign of social media warfare, a collective subconsciousness

of and belief structure, which they do try to do, it's historic fact that they try to do this called ideological subversion, that want you to change what you believe, right? That's, they're trying to change what you believe. So they're doing that. And they want to want to animate, they send things to you. They send information to you to get you to react. And then you react a certain way. They're like, okay, we'll send it a different way. Then you react another way. And it's either this way or that way.

You either strongly oppose it or you agree with it. Okay, so now we have a course of action for either one. All right, interesting. Okay, so if we know if we send this, if we convert their ideology to what we want them to believe. And then we send them information that gets them to react in a specific manner in a specific way. We can now build our structure, our military, our political sphere, our intelligence network to capitalize on that reaction.

That's reflexive control. It's fucking fascinating, but what if what if you could do that but also implant a subconscious seed and everyone's mind That will eventually sprout into a standalone complex in the future that will control everyone's behavior all at once Huh Now we're talking about a behavior all at once. Huh. Now we're talking about a, I don't know, nuclear weapon and the information sphere. Well, somebody messaged me and I'm very sorry because it was a good point if you're listening to this and I forgot who it was, I'm sorry, but they said,

if we went to war with China, there's over a million Chinese students and colleges in the United States. Like, dispersed at every major fucking city in the United States, who just needs to throw a fucking hand grenade into the fucking electrical grid to fuck it all up, right? They just need to go in there, drive a car into it or whatever, and just take out the power grid, and we're toast, right? You need 50 kids to do that out of them, like, how many millions. And so exactly like you're saying, you've got a nuclear bomb there, right? You've got, you're on the inside when you talk about information warfare to that level and degree

parish I think it's perestroika the information warfare and it's so fucking funny that we're like sitting here for however long and it's just we're describing this new way of warfare we're describing this and you're an intel guy right yeah yeah yeah it's like, we're sitting here and we're talking about this and this like admiration for the, like, because you do, you have to study the enemy, you have to learn their tactics, techniques, and procedures, and you learn why China fights the way they do. You learn why Russia fights the way they do.

You learn these things. And it may for some be like, that can't happen. That's not right, right? Like, why would you, well, we just, and it's like, my brother in Christ, if you imagine if you had a bully on the playground. And that bully is the United States of America. He is two feet taller than the rest of the kids.

He's hit puberty before everybody, and he just does whatever he wants. And his best friend is the second biggest guy. And it's called NATO. And they go around and they just hand out fucking biscuits to the face of, I don't know, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Oh, is that Kosovo? Bam, I'm doing that one too.

Like just out there beating the shit out of everybody. Like I don't like what you said. Bam! And so obviously, if you're Russia or China, you can't beat that bully up no matter how much of a training montage you have. And so what do you do? You cyber bully him. You take away his lunch money with bricks. You try to get everybody on the playground to look at your Instagram and your social media feed and kind of laugh at him and you talk bad about it and you destroy him from within.

Like you know, like Barry, I don't know if you've ever seen that show where he's like, I would just go into her apartment and I would just move things around a little bit at a time and fuck with her until she killed herself. That's essentially what's happening, right? And you're exactly right. When you talk about this being a nuclear bomb, being a nuclear weapon, like, if we can't fight them, we have to do everything but fight them.

We have to, and everyone's sitting there like, oh, we'd beat Russia, we'd beat Chad, we'd beat them, they're not gonna do it. They're at no point are they gonna put up their fists and go hey america i studied karate like that ain't happening like trying to sit there with its like glasses on like a fucking like paracord retainer behind its head looking over at russia like we cannot fight them and russia's like duh, I'm gonna keep the shit out of this Ukrainian

kid. And like, yeah, exactly. It's, it's so hard for, and I mean, I'll never forget this was trying to brief a Lieutenant Colonel at Fifth Group, a Green Beret Lieutenant Colonel, about me, so about these campaigns and trying to get him to understand why memes and jokes are a legitimate way of Engaging with ISIS on Twitter like we were meaning with fucking ISIS and tagging them and fucking with them and He wouldn't approve it. He was just like I don't get it and I'm like If you're friend died if you, I blew up your friend today. And then I sent a meme about your friend being dead. I'm like, it would fuck with you.

Or, and things like that. And it's an intangible. Yes. And so I just, at that moment, it's one of those things like I was talking about earlier where I'm on the other side of the field that I'm looking over at all the other people in the military or people who feel like is there's got to be some type of saving grace in our military. There's got to be something. I'm staring at a lieutenant colonel. Someone who's been probably as a master's degree worked his

way up, spent all this time. He's in special forces. He has done the deed. He is a soldier's soldier. Special forces he has done the deed. He is a soldier soldier doesn't understand this shit two two officers and three senior NCOs e7 and above Pleading with a colonel to understand information warfare couldn't do it couldn't do it and Yeah, yeah, that's why I say once this yeah once my you know once all that stuff is like maybe 7 15 years however long I'm a fucking get a whiskey sour and I'm gonna be on this camera I say and like you wouldn't believe how fucked up that operation was we have to sit there and beg this 42-year-old man to understand that Twitter is a war space Instagram is a war space

They are nudging you to the point. Exactly the whole thing like you said, they're gonna start with a sentence and they're gonna end with an army at their fingertips. Like the guys in Michigan, the guys in Michigan who tried to fucking kidnap the governor and killer. That's a perfect example. They rolled the fucking truck up and pulled the fucking top off and there was like what? 20 dudes with guns ready to kill the governor and fucking Michigan and nobody sat there and was like Holy shit, we got a problem. They just said, huh red necks. Am I right? Like no, yep, no, yeah and like

Max it all boils down Right that communication the effective range, anyone can do it. Anyone can today can literally create a bot-barm or pay for a bot-barm or AI and use AI generation to create millions of accounts, right? We take a while, but you could generate hundreds, it's not thousands, it's not millions of accounts. And you could spread information based off of a certain profile of a certain group. And that bot was going to sit inside of one bubble.

And then you send another bot, you know, farm to another bubble, I believe, in another side of the spectrum. And now you can feed information to both different bubbles or multiple different bubbles that will stay within that algorithm space. And people will see that and we will we can we'll put insulation in the isolation and the reinforcement of their their their norms their beliefs their biases increase that TENFUL and over time you polarize people and that all it takes is is someone to say something One thing hey guys let's go fucking steal xyz in London right steel xyz in London right? Let's do it as a group. Nobody will be, nobody will blame us if we do it as an anonymous group. Oh fuck! That's what just happened I think

today right? Or hey how about hey we're all wild up and angry because we had someone of our skin color die at the hands of an authority figure who was being abusive. Let's destroy the whole town as our protest. And that fucking happened. They bounded it to the ground. They did it. They fucking did it. They did it. Multiple places too over and over and over again. And it became an operation too. Yeah. Water bottles, bricks, in placements. If you are part of this crowd, all it takes is a single person to throw that brick and it lights off. And here's the thing, because you're part of the mass, the mob, there's no responsibility. There's no blame.

You know what's in the elements? You know what's even the most beautiful thing about that is, we're not sitting here and saying that Black Lives Matter was a Russian or Chinese operation. If you read the book Three Dangerous Men, they never, the Russians, when they were like in the Democratic primary and trying to, and they influenced the presidential election, they didn't do it from, they didn't start it. They didn't start Black Lives Matter.

They didn't start these things, but they nudged it. They gave it the pushes it needed. They probably bought it some followers. They probably paid because you can do that. I don't know if you guys know this, but you can pay to have other pages ads sponsored. So if you want to sponsor a Black Lives Matter protest, you can pay, click pay, sponsor it and show it, shout it out to the fucking world. Or you can just donate money to Black Lives Matter. I'm 99.9% sure that Black Lives Matter was Iranian, Russian, or Chinese, or maybe North Korean backed financially and they don't have a fucking idea. I bet they have no clue who brought the... They probably still don't know who paid to have a order of bricks shipped to their fucking protests. They probably don't know where the millions of dollars came from for them to buy.

Like the reason why I say that is because they went down to Georgia and they bought themselves mansions. And so they had all this money. They didn't. People Republicans sit there and they're just like, Black Lives Matter is all these things and they did, people, Republicans sit there and they're just like, black lives matter is all these things and they did, dude, they had no, they have no fucking idea that they're a siop. And that's the perfect siop. The one who doesn't even know that they're a siop.

There's just 10 dudes in Russia who use money from North Korean heroin and fucking, I mean, they just use black market funds to sponsor black lives matter. Then they sit in that room and they pump fucking black lives matter marketing and media. They order bricks and gasoline to be sent to fucking the location of the protest and then they just let the rest fucking go. And it's beautiful.

It's so awesome. It's so awesome. I mean, it's beautiful it's so it's so awesome I mean it's it's it's simple unrest like you know for order and yeah and what did it cost you what did it cost you nothing like absolutely like so little so little I mean if you if you listen or watch the interview with Bezmanov, who, if you look it up, uh, uh, Karen Remer's first name, something Bezmanov, ideological subversion on YouTube, it's now a while. Yeah. He literally just, he describes this process.

He describes it in a different fashion. And, you know, you get these people of authority in these groups or organizations of authority or perceived authority. And you get them to believe something. And when they believe something, they have the true believers and they will spread that. Just like the guy I talked earlier, the true believer, he truly believes he's an expert in, you know, armored combat right the true believers in black lives matter They believe in that message so much so all you do is point them in a direction and give them a perception of false reality to go do something Sit and it's it's like ordering off at Amazon. It's all done with a couple of clicks and It's all done with a couple of clicks. And because the power of social media and the fact that we are on an age where we can look at our phones and connect to someone all across the other side of the fucking planet.

Right? All the way in Australia and talk about dick jokes. Yeah. Right? Yeah. The power that it has to reach people. Because of that, we can change minds. If you change minds, that's the true battle. That's the true battle. That's the true battleground is in people's minds.

You change the people's perception and their minds. You control them. There's no reason. There's no reason to go into a kinetic war. If you can control people's minds and control their dollar, control the money. And that's what we're seeing today. We're seeing that battlefield not only domestically here in the United States, but across the globe,

and it's happening in real time. And people are like, what do we do about this? Well, there needs to be some change. Like how do we, and I'll address the audience here, like, how do you fight against this? How do we do this? How do we do that? How do we do that? How do we stop this from happening? If we're all susceptible to it, right? If it can control mass amounts of population through their, through so conscious biases that have been subverted

over time, how do we stop it? Well, there's a pretty good document out there that's cited in my papers. I think a small little journal talks about this, how to fight ideological subversion. And essentially it's one having morals, having a value structure that is essentially concrete. It doesn't change. It's a quote unquote tradition. I'm not going to say traditional values or morals because you can create traditions. I'm saying it's something that happens in its concrete. It doesn't change.

And it grounds you. You, the individual, will tie us right back around to the discussion of what makes you you. It's your values in life, right? How you see yourself in this world and in society and how you act and what you're trying to achieve within yourself. You need values in order to do that. If you have that value structure and you know that will not change, you will not budge

because that's who you are. You can look at the information around you and you can either accept it or reject it. And when you look at the information, you look at it and you see what it's actually trying to tell you. You don't just say, hey, you see a statement, oh, I feel a certain way about that statement, I'm going to accept it. I'm like, oh, really look at it and read it out loud. That's the best way to do it. Reach shit out loud, right? Like, how do you find a fucking grammatical mistake when you're writing something? You read it out loud and you're like, oh, wow, it sounds terrible. You fix it. That's the best way to do it is you read out comments out loud

or out loud, you'll observe a picture. What does this picture represent? This picture represents a street with a telephone pole and there's a shadow and a mailbox. What's the purpose of this picture? I don't know. At that point, right? But if you have a caption that says, oh, middle-income class America, and now tries to elicit any emotional response, but it's kind of out of context, like, that doesn't make any sense. But if you just flip-light past it without paying attention to the objects and what's in the picture or the video, you'd be like, yep, that's Middle-Age America, or Middle-class America, and you keep going. And that continuously reinforces that subversion that they're doing to you. So if you just objectively look at something, you pick apart what you see or what you hear

and you read the statement and you read it out loud to yourself, you'll start to see the mistakes. The context won't match up. It doesn't sound right to you. It doesn't feel right. Therefore, it's not rejected. And you move on. That's how we fight against that on an individual level. Now, on a societal level, there has to be bastions of, I hate to say correctness, but like discovery. There we go. I like that form better.

Our exploration, in groups of people, organizations or structures, networks that can look at shit and say, this is true fact. We've verified it this way through these types of sources. Here's the sources. Here's the way we've's the way we verify it. All right, excellent. That means that piece of information is true or valid and sound. And if you provide that to the people,

if something, I don't know, an objective based organization that has the ability to project voice, sound, and personality in every little device capable of reaching 80% of the population, you know, like mainstream media can do that, can verify that information. You now have the ability to fight against it. Yeah. And I think that's what- Yes! Go ahead. If the people believe.

Yeah. I'll say that. I was going to say, I think that's what Facebook and Twitter and all these social media platforms are trying to do when they sit there and they're like, this is probably disinformation or misinformation and it's like, well, they've already lost the trust of all of us. Right? Like, you've already lost the trust of all of us. Right? Like you've already.

So. And it's because they're what? They're biased on profits. They're only going to censor information that does not go towards their profit. And if you develop a system in which censors other people, based off of people's beliefs and biases, you get an instance of the Croat Hill report.

People didn't want to believe, they didn't want to question their objective, their reality, faced with information that does not coincide with their biases. So they rejected it. And they rejected it so hard that they reported it and all of a sudden, boom, the processes, the algorithms, the automatic ability to quote them, quote, cancels someone happened. And there's nothing you could do at that point because now the algorithm that has learned anything that comes from a croat-tone report happens this way. It just spits it out automatically. And you're so infidestantly small, according to it, and

compares to anything else, they're not gonna change it. Yeah, it is. And it's not rock. Yeah, we fucking beat the shit out of it, didn't we? Yeah, it's been like two hours So when you're gonna have your podcast up on Apple is Apple or Spotify cuz you got a Spotify so you can listen to the old stuff now But I'm gonna end up removing the URL so you're not gonna be able to have it available But when I launch it at the end of October,

I'm going to re-watch all the old episodes with the new episodes. So it will be shitload of content. And basically, the podcast is a little different than this one. That's a lot better. It's adventure, man. It's different people from different walks of life, average Joe's like you and me,

going off doing crazy cool things. And I try to pull stories of like adversity and triumph and humor. And I try to drop parallels with different activities and different things and really just kind of get to like the spirit of adventure and doing cool things as a human being. And that's what it's all about. So that'll be rewashed in October and I got some really

fucking cool guests all of it. You got some really great guests. It's actually kind of funny because you've had everything from like Vietnam, like era, soft and Marines to some gun run people. I know you said you had that one lady who did like state department security. So it's everything. It's not just a bunch of fucking dudes on there.

There's a lot of great people on there. I've just looked through it myself and listened to like one or two. Hell yeah, man. So, well, yeah, when that launches all plaster it, you guys can have fun and spread it like wildfire. Like AIDS. Wait, no, I mean, yeah, wildfire. All right, man, that's it. Thank you.