Kitbag Conversations - Kitbag Conversations Episode 24: American Politics and Spy Rings

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

Cody and the guys from the None Taken Podcast go over a sea of information, everything from Republican primaries, and the military, to spy rings and BRICS.

Music Flood on the ass race, sweat on the ground Everybody's dancing in the basin land Everybody's dancing in the basin land We're rolling in a town, smoking with the windows down Jankilly uptown, Miss City, Bucktown Everybody's dancing in the basin land The greeners' brownie smells like pewfirs And poster on the wall, go deep and dude All of a sudden man just cool, I'm very interested

And I did it out and I played cool I grabbed a con and wow, took me in a sub of town Everybody's innocent in the face and lounge Everybody's innocent in the face and lounge Everybody's innocent in the face and lounge Everybody's innocent in the face and lounge We're rolling in the town, hoping we'll lose our Gentile uptown, makes city fun of town Everybody's innocent in the face and lounge I'm just gonna try to get my gun truck pulled.

Gun truck, oh. Gun truck Paul got his nickname because I meant to say truck gun Paul and then I just kept repeating it wrong. He, uh, he had some video where he's like, you know, they say they just, you know, your handguns just to get you back to your truck gun and he pulled back a Blit or like, I don't know what it is. It takes them belt. Oh, it's massive. Yeah. Yeah. They were talking today, they were talking in the memes, they were like, they were like, you know, how much would it cost to equip a trailer park with high-point handguns and bow-fang radios?

I was like, no, no, no, I've done the math on this. We want refurbished police shotguns and they're like, what? I was like, they're less than $150, 12 gauge, box a buck shot. I was like, we going golden like a shower baby And like I know it's probably not the most important part of the story, but untraceable. Yeah It's just gonna go back to some fucking like Sierra Vista Arizona police department like what the fuck are these? But I say that like I understand how bullet tracing gun how that works at all every time I'm like how though I man I can't

Damn it. I was about to say like I have a story about that There was get tell it. I can't tell I do have in my notes try to get him to tell a story. He can't tell That was close. I was really close No, there's there's one where, to put it lightly, everybody was looking at this arm's cache of weapons that they found, and they're like, this is insane, this is all this stuff, and all that, and I walked into the room.

I was like, ah, that's unusual. They're like, what do you mean? I was like, there's only two people that make that gun right there and they're like, what? Huh? I was like, yeah, I ran in Germany and they're like, what the fuck? So I was like, either Germans are supporting terrorist groups or We've got Iranians here and they're like, it was like one of those really really bad Autistic moments that like I was casual about. was like oh, that's awesome and they're like Right as an I use civilian I guess like

When I hear that I'm like, I don't know. I just, I live on the assumption that Iran's fucking around. Like Iran's always doing some shit. Or there's, there is someone affiliated with Iran that is doing something, you know, in places like that, no? Yeah. All the time. Well, like, uh, who's that guy?

Those have to be official, you know what I mean? It's, uh, it can be carbon growth. It's, it's Mike Baker who says It could be Carmichael's adult. It's Mike Baker who says that he's like on Joe Rogan. He's like sitting there, he's like, yeah, they do it, but we do it too. And it's not hard. Like you just, you find somebody dumb and stupid on the internet who's just like not joking

when they talk about these things. And they're like, hey, how would you like a Bitcoin for your fun, for your activities? And then they just wander off and then you get like CNN, like we got a lone wolf dearest out here. Like it doesn't, it doesn't take much, bro. And like honestly, we do it too, but they're just so much better at it

because they have like so many different avenues of approach, right? Like we only have like freedom and capitalism whereas they have religion, they have ethnicity, they have fucka- A party. Yeah, they have all these things. A party of Athpart is. It's unfair really.

It's not creative at all. Like, we're just like, do you love J.Lo's big ass and new England patriots? Do you love freedom? Like, yeah, like like die for America. Yeah It depends you're gonna fly over the stadium like that Go ahead and introduce yourself guys, Alan you want to go first? I feel like I always I am Alan of the non-taken show I live in the Bay Area, California and we do show.

That's Dustin over there. I'm Dustin. We do together. We do Nunntake and podcast. We talk about politics and current events. It's tempting to say we don't keep it light. We deal with dark and painful subjects. But we do it in a way where we always want to

Like keep comedy as or like entertainment as front of right so like I I wouldn't say we make bad things funny But we're always trying to be funny while we're talking about the news because you know You're gonna laugh or cry, right? So Yeah, I don't take it too seriously. Yeah, but we do a lot of different sound bites, clips from the media in our first show of the week. That's usually, we try to do a two hour show. It's always two and a half hours.

And then we do a second show that's like just bam, bam, headlines or an interview. Nice. Yeah. That's a lot better than, you know what? I'm gonna, I need to start recommending you to some people who always tell me like, and it's the most painful thing like, I don't watch the news because it's depressing and I'm like, I hate you. Like, I'm gonna put it there. Yeah.

Well, our thing is too like, you know, Alan has a different political perspective than me, but we've just always got along. I'm, I'm, I'm a, I used to be a libertarian, but under, I have an underlying, I'm a, I used to be a libertarian, but under, I have an underlying, underlying, through line, a through line of pragmatism, which the modern libertarian party has no tolerance for. Honestly, any party has tolerance for everybody's got a purity test. And if you're willing to bend for any, you know, rational reasons, you're just, you know, you're, you're persona non grata. So I just said, yeah, it's fine. I'm an independent.

That's boring and annoying, but it's easier than trying to assign yourself a dogma. And then, you know, Alan is like what a regretful Democrat? Democrat? Yeah, I would say I'm a, yeah, I'm a liberal. I'm a Democrat technically, I suppose. But, you know, I have my own opinions on these things. Of course. Me and Dustin find our way to, you know, figure out a way to find, we try to find solutions to some of these

things politically that where we can kind of meet in the middle, I think is kind of what we into doing a lot. Solutions for conversation, to be able to talk about it, you know, so, so I mean, I don't know, I, that's also not the formula for a successful podcast, right? Like you need to be offensive and get people's attention. But, you know, if we wanted to be successful, we could do that. If we have, and it's you long term, you know,

I think the people that are attracted to archetypes of conversations are, you know, people like you, people that are thoughtful. And people that aren't like, they don't necessarily succumb to, you know, a podcast, which is really just people that grew up on TikTok and, you know, are just like, hey, let's say this dumb shit. We had a clip this week where some guy was saying,

like, did you see state farms pulling out of California? It's like, yeah, five years ago, they tried to leave and the state wouldn't let them. And then the guy, I bet there's gonna be a big earthquake. Now it's like, no, it's the fires. It's literally the thing that you know about. Like, you guys are just doing,

shh, shh, shh, cuts in like making a video. And it's like me and Alan grew up on radio, so we kinda like talk more. Gotcha. Give me one sec, I'll be right back, I gotta fix something. Sorry. Yeah, I was about to say it's like, that's, it's actually starting to come back around which is weird because a lot of the guys that I talk to that listen to our show, it's, it's

a lot of people do, especially after COVID like work from home or like an hour long car ride. They're just like, I need something to devour. And I've told this to Cole at AllCodS too, and a lot of the other guys, but I'm like, if I, if you sat there and you made up, if you made a podcast, I made a podcast and Cole made a podcast. Like that's three podcasts right there,

and you know how much work it takes to put one hour or two hours into one week. That's three of the seven hours to the commute that they go to work on. That's not including chores, dishes and all that other stuff that people put a podcast on for. So it's like usually the average person has somewhere around like 10 to 15 hours and those sound bites and the way they to get these lip-tarts out of of America and like it gets old fast like imagine 15 hours of just Alex Joe and screaming in your ear and so it's like the thought process like people want that thoughtful conversation they really do and it's whether they know

it or not they do they do want it and so it's good that you guys do that. It's a lot more well we used to try to do shorter shows. And then some listeners are like, no, just make it long. What? Yeah. We're good. It's stuck in the car anyway. Yeah.

And it's sort of formatted where there's breaks. So it's like, if you want to listen to an hour and a half and an hour and a half tomorrow, it's perfectly designed for you to pause and back to. So it doesn't have to be your first podcast the next day. You can listen to your other shit and then have this come on. And you know, I don't know. I kind of have like a podcast schedule next day. You can listen to your other shit and then have this come on. I don't know. I kind of have like a podcast schedule to my day because I listen to a lot of them at work.

One of my little intros is where I listen to 13 hours of podcast a day. Alan watches three hours of cable news. So between the two of us, you're going to get a couple of different perspectives. But yeah, that 13 hours, I have no problem having a show that's longer like that. Why am I talking about myself so much? I'm sorry for bad I can't personality

We grew up in that um we were all of me and Alan's influences were so I'm an elder millennial and Alan can pretend he is and all of our influences were like cool gin exerx gin exerx were like you can't sell out. That's the man blah, blah, blah. And so we grew up with that mindset. And everybody else that's a millennial, like born like three or four years after us, is like, you have to make your own brand. You need to be out there, hooring yourself, like,

get that back. Yeah. And it's just, I can't, it's not a part of me, you know. We also grew up listening to talk radio, like Guy Talk Radio was sort of one of our main influences. So yeah, we, you know, those were three, four hour shows we would listen to all the time. So we're used to that sort of format. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. So yeah, the biggest question I have and like really the one that, because I don't follow,

it closely, the Republican primaries or any of that stuff. I pay attention to what's going on in the economy. I pay attention to what's going on in for policy. But I've just given up watching the primaries because I'm like, whoever, if they can elect a moderate to okay Republican, Joe Biden's going to just, he's the Jimmy Carter of our era. So I can't do it. I can't do it. Yeah, I was like, he's the Jimmy Carter of our era. So I can't do it. I can't do it.

I can't do it. Yeah, I was like, he's the Jimmy Carter. He's also like a Democrat Reagan. Hear me out. Oh yeah. That's so fun. And let's bring in this young crop of people to run the show.

And this guy just smiles at cameras and says good things. Oops, can't say the good things. Like the Democrats trying to do a Reagan. And they're like, no, he's not charismatic He's also old school politics. He likes to you know get in the room and hammer shit out, you know meet in the middle As opposed to you know, that's that's kind of his thing You know that's what you think politics still is. Yes. I don't know how that is truly happening He tried to do it. Joe Manchin and saw that work

No, I do things work. I suppose. Yeah. So I see that. No, no, no, no, no, because now I got a question because you said he was old school politics. So in your opinion, guys, who's the new school? Who do you think is actually making the new? Who?

Josh, Josh Holly. I think his version, American populism is in my, honestly, in my opinion, it's pretty frightening because it's, you know, you can say verifiably false things and you know, that's not true. Yeah. But he doesn't do it. Care is mad at the charisma that Trump does, but he still finds a lot of success.

Yeah, I'm not, I think he's in a brass, I always say in a brass, and it's zuri or Arkansas, I can't remember. He was the one who looked at the picket line on January 6th and and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, with the black hole. And then he just like, ran away. And in Ferris Bueller, where he's running down the hall,

and he walks by the window, runs down the hall, walks through the hall. He also has a video, Josh. There's a lot of new politicians like that, that same kind of lane. Your Mac gaits, your MTGs, your AOCs. So, you know, try to appeal to more extreme ends of the party, because that's where you get the sound by, that's where you get the clip on TV, that's where.

First North pension, like, you're trying to create, it's what we talked about, right? It's like, all they're doing is making a national brand for them as a as a brand. It just so happens they were elected by a district or to represent the you know the people of Georgia and the Senate. It just so happens. They don't have to do anything that helps those people out. They have to do things to get their name like so right now nobody nobody so so if you just tuned into the fact that the government's going to shut down is it going to shut down or is it the is a defunded what one of the two right or I guess it's the same thing so they're about to shut down. Is it going to shut down or is it defunded? What one of the two, right? Or I guess it's the same thing.

So they're about to not be able to pass a spending bill, right? That's by the end of this month. They just brought it up. Because they're like, hey, we just came back from summer vacation and nobody has a spending bill. So there's a reason for that. All during the last session, all during the last session, they injected a bunch of bullshit

into the spending bill proposals. So that they would get rejected, so that the spending bill proposals. Yeah. So that so that they would get rejected so that it would get to this point. And then they could be like, Hey, everyone, look at me. I'm the one that look at the Democrats are are failing to run this. And all the cameras they are talking to, you know, those same people again. We would you have, when there's less time you saw anything from Marjorie three toast. I haven't seen anything from her in a long, sorry, there's a picture with her on the

beach where she looks like she only has. Thirty toast toes. Yeah, you've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Marjorie sport foot. You haven't seen her for a long time because there hasn't been a spectacle. She's that she's waiting this out for the next day. It'll be in about a week. It'll be the rest of this month. And for hour long, they shut down the government. I'm sorry. Did I rant too long? No, you're good. She recently good. It's fine. She recently said some stupid shit. I can't remember exactly. Tell me about taxes in the ice age or something. I don't know. Matt Gakes has said that he wants to impeach Biden and if Kevin McCarthy doesn't go along with it,

he's going to have him fired as speaker of the house. So I take vote while he didn't even say what? Holy fuck. Like what charges he wants to impeach by? That's the best part. Yeah. Well, maybe I'm telling Julius. I'm waiting for more on this alias story, but there's a whole thing about Biden's alias

and his emails. And it's all like playable to be like, I want to be able to have a normal conversation. So I've used this alias account. And it's like, well, turns out we're, we're taking the former president to court or to court over like classified documents and his relationship with the records department of our government. And you're really making our record keeping difficult when we don't exactly know how many fake names and email accounts you have. I don't know. That was going to grow a lot of hair. That's like this last week. You'll hear about

it more in the next few probably as they get more to bite on to. There's no meat yet, but there's a scent. Nice. Now that's, I got a buddy. Have you guys ever looked into the game stop AMC stuff? Have you ever looked into that? To the moon. Look, are you saying like a conspiracy behind the phenomenon? I mean, I'm still holding my game stop. I've de-hands, but you're like,

this is going to be an investment vehicle. You're like, why not? Like, let's fucking do this. Yeah. I gotta, I gotta get him on the podcast. But I gotta, I gotta, I gotta buddy who, we de-error us to our shares. And if you don't know what that means,

we'll come to the podcast. But uh, then we were talking about it because, uh, Evergrande and, uh, the Chinese gardens just, everything in China. Everything in China is going down, and they're like, yeah, China's going to get fucked up. And then if you look at the books, though,

if you look at the earning statements, all of the debt they have is for it. Like it's like Canadian banks, it's American banks who are using the loan payments from that stuff to pay for other things back here. And so it's billions, if not probably, trillions of dollars at stake over in China. Student loans get turned on next month. And oh, by the way, we might shut down the

government at the end of the month. And so it's, I'm just sitting here. I'm like, man, if you were an agent for the Russians or the Chinese, literally your orders this month were just make the government not work for a month in October. Let student loans, let the Chinese housing market fail, and then shut the government down. And it's like, the best part of that is what's Biden been trumpeting for the past two, three months, by nomics, by nomics. That's, yeah. Oh, buddy, you just gave the right a lot to work with.

Yeah. But, because like, on paper things are like you know trending in a positive like inflation is still up but it's not 9% anymore right right aren't gonna come down they're just up that's not the way price work unfortunate hold up there do you know how inflation is measured yes yeah well yeah I get it all the shit that really counts anymore they're like that affects the number too much we don't count so they didn't just take that out, but inflation is measured on the last two years. And so the numbers that were two years old, right? So the 20, so we're 2023. Oh, so yeah, so 2021 is what they're comparing it to. And so

like inflation was growing in 2021 and 2022. So it looks like inflation in comparison is going down over the last two years, but the number is not rising. Yeah. It's still growing. Like, yeah, yeah, it's not the same as compound interest, but it's like that same like, hey, this is a big number being multiplied by a slightly smaller percentage more. But it's, I mean, just look at your grocery bill. Mine's like $275.

Allens is probably as kidney over there in California. Let's fuck it. Yeah, I'm selling organs for sure. Yeah, gas is like $530 or something like that? $540 over here? Okay, I think it's like $319 here. Dude, I went to Portland for a week last week. And oh my god, I wanted to end it all.

It was like the hotel made me pay for parking. I had to pay for plastic bags and gas was $ dollars. I was like just burn the West Coast down I'm done. I like just restart it. It's done I'm not the best example scenic critty stuff and it's interestingness, but like it's just not an example of how you should Model in the other also great strip clubs though. Great strip clubs. I am saying lately, right? Like, great your hugs. Great your hugs. That's it.

Oh, man, my favorite place there, shout out to the Japanese Zen Garden. So I have like, I love it. I've been there. I love it. The best one in the country. Yeah, that's the best one in the country. Oh, I don't, the same, but this has got a pretty good one.

You should. I hold my mouth. He's here. I need to see. How many? I don't think I've been to that one. I loved it. I love it.

Someone that hasn't been there. I, after my deployment, I sat there for like an hour and a half. I just sat by this little trinkling waterfall and my mother-in-law was like, are you OK? And my wife's just like, let's let him be. Like, let's just let him be. Like, let's just, it's so pretty. Yeah, it's dude, you don't need anything. You can just sit there and just be like,

but then some Turkish or Azerbaijani tourists will come by smelling like cologne. And then just like. I do favorite ethnicities. I'm just taking pictures. And I was like, oh, oh, God, ruined it. I can't. Can I just, I'm sorry, I'm so easily distracted,

but it's like, I spent so much of my life that make it's just easy to pick on the Turks, if you're like, if you're a fan of Western Civ, you're like, well, I naturally hate the Turks. I'm content and open. It's very, very interesting. Then, and then I started my girlfriend's break, and she's Greek Cyprian. So we're like, but then I need you to understand how much it takes to make me side with Armenians.

Wow, you guys are fucking. And now let me explain. I think you're trying to do. I don't get it. It's a thing on actually.. And this, what I'm about to say is something, you know how people say these things where it's like, I am not the person I used to be. I'm so proud that my friends showed me, you know, what I could have done, and I'm so glad that I was able to change and be who I am now, right?

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Spirit's growth here. I used to work in, I almost called it Armenia, California. I used to work in California. California for those of you who don't know is where I don't, I'm not, I, I realize what I've said before these moments, but I would estimate, let's not go

crazy. 70% of the nations are minions, I think live in Glendale, California. If you, if you, if you brought in the circle from Glendale into California. If you if you if you if you brought in the circle from Glendale into Mo some of LA, you could still you get to that 70%. And and the thing is though, the thing is so I formed an opinion based on the fact that I worked in a customer service job inside of a mall at a retail store. So I literally saw the worst of the worst coming in and trying to return pillows. They were six months old and you you know, all the stereotypes you come up with. And I left there being like, look, I don't fucking hate anyone, but I have a bias towards these people. And then once I realized how

wrong I was, especially it was, it was somebody talking to me about the history of how empire after empire has just torn apart that region, but Armenia particularly. And like, you know, going through an ancient, I mean, going from the steps, from the tribes of the steps, through, you know, Rome, through Russia, through just, it's, and Azerbaijan now.

It's, yeah, it's, I mean, also, that's how you get people that maybe are, you know, tough and customer service environments. Like, yeah. They've had a rough bill of it. You start to get fucked over the $69 pillow that was flat. And I got a point. Got a point.

It's fair. Where were we? Can I go back a ways to something you'd said? So you'd said that you don't like to check in on the news too much at this point with the primaries. And because there's so much, like, for what I heard, it was like, they're gonna get who they want through that process

and you're just gonna find out who your choices are, right? I agree with you. Because if you go back four years ago, it was Bernie's turn finally, even though nobody wanted to admit it. And the conversation was, could Bernie actually beat Trump? Like, how would Bernie show up in a general election?

Like, nobody's gonna be fine with his socialist Democrat. Is the socialist Democratic, Democratic socialist? I know that. I was just thinking about a difference, I think. I don't think that's not true, actually. One of them is like, don't we like democracy? The other ones like it. As soon as we can get rid of democracy,

the problem is, just because you like democracy, doesn't mean that you'll maintain it. That's exactly how Democratic nations get overthrown is, you know, through a democratic process. Anyway. So this time, you know, four years ago, it was Barney's to lose and like, I don't know, people like me were like, please tell C. Yabberd. And then Hillary's like, Russian agent. He's like, you fucking con. Anyway, anyway, you remember when Pulsey, Yabber killed Camila Harris? On the debate stage?

More of her in the debate, and then she was dead. And then she dropped out of campaigning. And then Joe's like, hey, I see you don't have a job. Yeah, I said I was gonna pick a brown woman. So, you would be the most qualified. You can be qualified for other reasons. I'm just saying based on his criteria. So, yeah, but if you go back,

so then what happened was on what, like, Super Tuesday, all of the three middling powers that were somewhat leading, maybe like the two, three, and four candidates all colluded and said, we're gonna support Joe Biden and going forward, he basically had the nomination. And, you know And here we are. Nice. Here we are looking at a second term

if we're lucky of Joe Biden, which means Kamala Harris in about what, two and a half years. Yeah, two and a half years, dude. Oh my God. No, I know. Or we could have a, you know, a president from jail. I don't think it should be that too. It's possible.

I know. I know. Well, there are spots on that. Do you want to go like really random about whether he would be allowed to be president or is that too off topic? I don't know. Nothing's off topic here because so we've been talking about is the 14th Amendment section three, it's ambiguous and it basically says if you've participated in an insurrection or a rebellion, you are not qualified to run for office. If you haven't

taken an oath, right? And it was written after the Civil War to be like, look, they took an oath, then they rebelled against the country. These people can't be trusted. We can't bring them back into the union. But they rebelled on this. Right. Yes. Right. Yes. Thank you. So the thing is, it never really went to court to be like clarified whether it just exists as its own thing and the states have the right to just say, well, we won't put them on our ballot. Or it's an act of Congress or a decision from the Supreme Court or the state Supreme Courts. So what I think is going to happen, there's two things I think are going to happen. I think California will leave Trump off, Michigan will leave Trump off, Utah will leave,

will leave him on, Wyoming will leave him on. And in Wyoming and Utah, the Democrats will sue the Republicans for leaving him there, even though they say he's not qualified. And in Michigan, New York and California, the Republicans will sue the Democrats for not letting him on there. And regardless, there's going to be up to 50 lawsuits trying to settle this. So it'll ultimately get right up to the Supreme Court. We'll get a decision on it. Some people, like, there was a decision on it. It wasn't there was a decision immediately after they made that law or what law, sure.

Amendment. Amendment. And the judge wasn't acting in the, he wasn't serving as like a Supreme Court justice when he made a decision. So it's really not clear whether, like, whether you can just say no. And then the other thing is like, give me the Webster's definition of an insurrection. Right? Like, you know, I don't care to have this argument about whether that's what January 6th was or not.

The fact that we can say that it that some people think it was means that We've been providing aid and comfort like That's part of how it's written is aid and comfort to people who are doing so, right? I love you. You're very Smart whatever you said We love yeah, there's actually a lawsuit announced today in Colorado a group of individuals Swing for that very thing and there's a guy and get them off the ballot. Oh really? Okay, and there's a guy in Texas that is

suing other states to see if he would be I don't I mean, I don't know how are these people have standing by the way That's a lot of these micah to Smith by not being able to show that they are being affected by. Well, the Colorado one, they're actual voters. I think it's like six voters and the secretary of state. So they clearly do have standing. Sure. These other ones are trying to do cross state. I don't know if that's going to. Here's the other thing. So that's one scenario. The other scenario is you don't do anything. It comes down to the election day or the January 6th, right? And what they say is, look, according to this thing we fucking wrote down 150 years ago, we kind of agreed at the time that people that do this don't get to be president. And we say, look, I count 270 electoral votes for Trump.

And less than that for Joe, I almost said, oh Biden. Joe Biden. And, and, and, and so, so on paper, yes, Trump has more electoral votes. However, the same way you would treat someone who is not 35 or was born outside of the United States or any other unqualified by nature of participating what he participated in. He's you can describe him as being ineligible in the same way that somebody who's 34 years old is ineligible. And in that same way, they would just say, okay, we counted it. These ones don't count because it would be like if a majority of people wrote in my butt on the, what was it? Cox and what are the, uh, my Kanye West, yeah, the right and ballot. Yeah, they're right. Yeah, there's always a, uh, uh, Mickey Mouse or something. Now, there's a funny one

with Dicks that actually happens all the time. I'm just, I'm forgetting my Siddlesons puns right now. But anyways, so one of those two things I think is going to happen. There are constitutional scholars arguing that right now, um, from the, um, federalist Federalist Society, like not conservative people, yes. Yeah. Although Rathansberger had a column in the Wall Street Journal, I think today, saying that he thought that for people who believe that the election was stolen already, it, I think this system is rigged, that all that's going to do

with disenfranchised them further if this is actually what happens. So he wouldn't support it. Yeah, I would say the exact same argument about how to split two-tiered legal system, not that stuff. Well, it's in the Constitution, it's in the Constitution, so, you know, I mean, okay, here's my pragmatism showing. Yeah, I was going to say, that explains it, is like, why they immediately call or the liberals called it a Insurrection right they knew they knew that because words me I had a lieutenant colonel who used to tell us that as cadets He's like words mean shit right like that and so like it in the army it matters and legal terms it matters and I was I'm a firm proponent that it was an insurrection just because you have an inability to overthrow

a government doesn't mean it's not a fucking rebellion, right? Just because you're fucking insurrection, so it doesn't mean it's not an insurrection. I received here you say that. I didn't know what to expect and I didn't have a assumption, but I was just like, I don't know, I have no idea how you're going to take this. So we do. It's just like, God forbid we have a conversation. Yeah, imagine that. I mean, it wasn't a test to stop the peaceful transfer of power that we've had in this country for over 200 years.

So it was, it's a thing. It's a, it's, it's, it was definitely a problem. It's problematic. Yeah. And, you know, just because the, the greatest legal minds in proponent of it being a legal action were Rudy Giuliani and Sydney Powell doesn't really have to just I mean I mean really was so drunk that night My tit these are my tits if you see my tits My tits, these are my tits. Have you seen my tits? He has

My text messages to those, I don't mistress girlfriend, whatever are so gross. And it's creepy that she shared them like they're very creepy. We're really on the podcast. I forgot to tell you that. You bring them up almost every show. Yeah. Yes. Mountaindo and Rudy Giuliani Now today there was a in their in court in Georgia in the Fanny Willis case because two of the 19 people in dieted in that case Executed their right to have a a speedy trial. Yeah, so Ches the cheese Chesbro and Powell and Chesbro was, I don't want to fucking have my case tried with that fucking nut job. And so he tried to have the case separated so that he would be tried alone on the judge said,

no, so they're both going to be tried. Well, and the thing is, like at the time he's saying he wants to have a speedy trial, but the way that works is at any point, if you do anything to delay the trial, it goes kind of back to its normal format. So I don't want a speedy trial, but then you're like, oh, hold on, we need time for discovery. They're like, okay, get it. It's not a speedy trial anymore.

So like that's interesting until it stops being interesting. It's scheduled to start October 23rd, but we'll see. Yeah, that actually happens. Yeah. And Trump's forward to his March trial for Vani Willis, I think is March. The judge was like, look, the more you start making things

difficult for us to maintain our jury pool or witnesses and keep their memories not corrupted by you saying we're just on the news, the more you do that, I'm gonna have to move the trial forward. I will have no other choice than to, which is, it makes sense, like memories are fallible. And you postpone this 2026 like you wanted to, which is, it makes sense, like, memories are fallible. And you postponed this 2026, like you wanted to, that completely destroys, I mean, it's already two and a half fucking years ago.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's a while to think about that. It's, it's one of those things, like, I've already discounted him. Like as much as many people don't want to, I agree. The same, like, yeah. And so, but at the same time, we've been talking about this on the podcast where like these kids man these goddamn jenzeers all they do is praise god and lift weights and their conservative values like they all jokes aside they're very conservative.

Alan Allen didn't believe me he lives in California and he hires all these liberals in the Bay area so he's like I know I talked him all the time I'm like I'm in the group chat salad. They are pissed. They are. It's almost like the new form of rebellion. It's like, it's reversed. I mean, he's still, he's pulling it 33% I would be liberal right now.

Like, tell me what we're doing. Like, like, what's so appealing to be rebellious and fun about really expensive coffee drinks? I don't know. I mean, Trump's still pulling it 53% for all this stuff that's happening. Yeah. He's pulling you 53% in the G.O.P. primary, the closest to him half of the population. Just come on. And the closest competition is to Stantis. And he sucks. And he's at 15.

What about the big? My name is the vape. It rhymes with cake. Have you heard him rap? So bad. It's so bad. It's really bad. But Vick is just under eight percent. OK. I don't replace. I don't. DeSantis will do it. Like, they know they can't have the Sanctus.

Because he can't win liberal votes. He literally created the war on woke. It's like, who says, like, I'm going to go after the other side, but I also want to vote for president. Like, if I was his campaign manager, I'd be like, can you hold this rope real quick? And then, like like just jump off the Just been through three of them already like yeah, he's not getting the car accidents. He's firing them

Yeah, he's putting with his fingers, which is fucking Always remarkable and no more you no matter what we're saying about him that is a fair thing to interject Like I like throwing out there. No, I'm a green that is a fair thing to interject. Like, I like throwing that out there. No, I'm agreeing. I like it. It is a little bit of an on-sacritor, but it's like, you can't forget that.

Like he eats pudding with his fingers, given the opportunity. And he grinds his teeth when he's nervous. We have a listener who's been on the show who was involved somewhat in Florida politics. And it's, why would I do that? Sorry. Yeah.

How is it going to be going to details? Anyways, we had him on the show and we were talking because he was a real big dissantist supporter early on. Still is. And I was like, dude, but everybody says he has no charisma and he's like, Oh, man, I've been in a room with him. Trust me. He does it.

Okay, God. Okay. And he wasn't wrong. It's pretty obvious now. Yeah. it's very little charisma points on that guy. I will not let you down Like wait, but his mouth movement was the same thing as when Jeb Bush goes please clap. Yeah, please Smile With no words. It was one of stilted dude when I get fired up I do the oh god what's

this name and then we're gonna take back the White House yeah and then we're gonna take back again then we're gonna take back fucking Baku yeah it's crazy that that under that that that killed a campaign like 2003 that's all it took, there's a lot of moments like that in politics, so we're just small slip-ups have just completely destroyed a key in this. Trump just moved the window. Yeah. Trump was just like, no, it's fine. Yeah. I took a, because I'm a polycy major and we had a class from a Dr. Phillips, if you're out there, I know you're not listening, because you're probably like so ashamed of me, but he was a great guy. And now he was amazing.

He was a French Englishman who married into the army, and so his wife was at Fort Campbell, so he taught here. He was way too quiet. Like he, he was a assistant professor at Brown. It was like, what the fuck are you doing here? Like I was like, why are you here? He's not here geographically. We should be paying double, but like, he had fuck are you doing? Like I was like, why are you here? Geographically. We should be paying double, but like, he had us read a book on that.

Like, it's like the mindless voter of sheep, like, most are just like single issue voters and like care about how tall like politicians are. And you just like read that book and you're just like, fuck. Like, it is. There's no hope. And that's why the electoral college exists, and most people don't know that,

is it exists because they knew they're like, these common folk are fucking stupid, like we fucking need a buffer. And when they're not stupid, they have a fucking life, and they have kids. And maybe like most people in order to afford to where they live, they have to drive an hour and a half to work in back.

So that's three hours of your day. You've got to be a good parent, so that's more time. How on earth can you be invested in knowing any of this shit? And then he goes on TV and says, you're not getting paid enough, or you don't have good healthcare. And it's like, yeah, you know what, you're literally saying the things that matter to me, right? And that's how it works.

Yeah. Yeah, those kitchen table issues, man? And that's how it works. Yeah. Yeah, those kitchen table issues, man. That's where they getcha. The way that sell it to you might change, but it's still the same thing. I was about to say the kitchen, like, that kitchen table, man, it's, I don't know

what kind of house you grew up in, but like I'm like, my dad's side is German, Jewish, and so like, they can't. Can I say, I describe you when I think about you as warrior class is that an insulting thing to hear someone say to you that makes me feel poor because if you think warrior class and you think like Roman soldiers but in America in American life it's just original yeah I was about to say in American life like warrior class is like the trailer park like bro it might sounds a more meanen, the fucking hell yet.

If my mind, I was imagining like solid middle class lifetime after lifetime of people that are serving in the, yeah, no, Matt and I have talked about that. And, but like the dinner table conversation isn't even about that. It's like, normal Americans, I would argue like 80, 90% avoid political discussion at the table all the time.

But we did not do that. I still have my style argued. I spent, so we would get, in our family, the reason I apologize, I adjusted it right now, and fuck, my story is about what I just did. We would just, we were as loud as got to talk at the Thanksgiving Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

So, like, you know, you learn real fast how to like, how to jump in and jump out, right? Whether it's like a true skill you knew you had or you didn't. But then you get to like that 18 to 22 year old range and you don't really, you're like a baby scorpion. You like, don't really know how much you're stinging. And I remember doing it and yelling at my grandma over there.

Because at this point in my life, I had become a Neocon. She is like, she, like, if she, I'd be, I wouldn't be surprised if the pussy hat that I have of hers go into the woman's marches was from like 70s. She's like, oh, I've just always had a pussy hat. Like, she is like a bad ass, super progressive for her entire lifespan. And I just remembered like not getting in her face,

but it like, you know, immediately feeling bad about it, not having the intuition enough to apologize at the moment and then spending years not knowing how to say you're sorry. And then getting to like I feel good, I got a clean conscious, she's no longer with us, but that, I don't know, I feel like, you know what, this is the worst case of it because I interrupted you to tell that story.

It is, it's like, goddamn it. But yeah. Yeah, I don't know that we've talked a lot of politics at the kitchen table, but you talk about real shit, right? Stuff happening at work, stuff happening at school. And that comes around eventually to become political, I think at some point in your life, all those things. And when your adult, like Dustin's talking about, and you got the family, and you're putting

food on the table, those are the things that matter to you, and that's what politicians appeal to. People find their own lane, but that's, you know, it's all connected back to that stuff. Yeah, yeah. And it's also like, you'll, you'll talk about like socioeconomic issues. Right. Yeah. That's the thing where you're like, oh, right. That's politics too. Like, you know, and that's politics where it actually affects your life. Yeah.

You mentioned Polly Sire earlier. I was in my Polly Sire class when I showed up, uh up for school and found out about 9-11. What an amazing class to have for like that like. Like. Damn. Every time you tell that story, I was like, I was like, oh, shit, I forgot about that. God damn it. Must have been a wild day. Not about 9-11. Where were you? No, you were at Polyside.

Yeah, yeah. It was a weird time, right? Like there were cell phones, but you weren't really texting people. Yeah. So like, buddy, the net parking pass, he would park in the street. So I was like listening to the radio the whole way to school. And I picked him up. I'm like, hey, I don't know what to describe as what's happening. Here's the radio. And then we pulled in, went to class and they had like a they carted in a TV though. I can watch the news and we didn't have cables. So we were like, yeah, I don't know what rabbit ears are going to get us back at

the apartment. So I guess I'll just stay here and watch this in my polypsi class. Just surreal. Oh, dude, I was, I was actually in New York when it happened. Oh, wow. Here. Okay. when it happened. Oh wow. Okay so my parents were actually separated at that time and they actually got back together later on and what happened was as I went to school and police officer comes in

he's like everybody out everybody get out just like we're done go home gone and my mom's side just like we're done, go home, gone, and my mom's side. Grandfather was in the Korean War, got home and became a firefighter for the rest of his life. A New York firefighter, my uncle was a chief of a fire department up in East Rochester, Buffalo, or or a chileye. And so every fucking firefighter in New York was go in there. Like we got, basically you have like a mass casual de-incident and so like they were gone. All this stuff is happening. We're watching the towers fall and then that night or the next night my dad called my mom and was like I'm going and she's like where are you going? Because my dad was one of the first ones into Afghanistan like thought the horse soldiers.

By the way the guy who plays Chris Hemsworth in that movie, short little fat Italian man in real life, looks nothing like Australian Viking God. Like, he is like the funniest dude too. He's just like, yeah, you guys like that shit. And then the medic in that movie, I think he was like Asian or Black for diversity purposes. No, grandpa, white dude. I actually met him when...

Wow. Because my dad and I worked together at Fifth Special Forces Group, and the guy who sat next to him was a contractor who was like the firearms and bicycle safety contractor. And he had like all these, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that's an interesting combination. Yeah.

Hold on. I think riding is like skiing and shooting. No, it's like, hold on. Now in the army, like if you have a motorcycle, you're considered extremely hazardous, so you have like bicycle bike courses you have to go through. So they hire somebody out to like teach that and he taught that.

And but yeah, it was just funny because like the movie came out and I'm like, is that Dave and he's like, why, he ain't black? Like they're all just old white. He's like, my dad said goodbye. And then I never heard from him for like three, four months. I was like seven, first grade, first or kindergarten, or no, first or second grade, sorry.

And I thought my dad was dead for like three, four months. He just didn't call me while he was just an Afghanistan fighting the Taliban. I mean, how are you telling me your dad is CIA? You said he's first in Afghanistan. No, he actually, I mentioned it, if you go through our Instagram and scroll, there's this video to a very bad cover of ACDC.

That was my dad's G-Chief. That was the Northern Alliance leader that he linked up with. And so the CIA linked him up with the special forces team. And so like, my my dad it's a funny fucking story because my dad gets off the helicopter and it's like this surreal moment like first time as a green beret because he was a cab scout and the first go for it and it's all this shit you know slow motion and then the lights to all these trucks turn on trucks trucks for days my dad never rode on a fucking horse it was all toyota high lexes and he goes in this little short fat guy

It was all totally out of high lexas and he goes in this little short fat guy. Yeah, little short fat guy comes up and goes, Hey, man, what's up? And he was like the fuck like in English not in Persian fart. Just hey, man, what's up? And he's like, what? He's like, oh man. I'm like Muhammad or whatever like I'm a I'm in charge of these guys And he's like, why do you speak English? He's like, oh before the Russians and the Taliban and he's, my dad was like a very influential governor of this province and sent me to Chicago University where I dropped out and joined an ACDC cover band and waited tables and drove a Harley.

And he sent his Harley back to Afghanistan, and they Taliban conquered his village, and they ran his Harley off a fucking mountain into an eagle that was dedicated to his father and smashed that shit. And he's like, I got some food and I got some Jack Daniels in your tent. After that, tomorrow we're gonna go hunt these assholes.

Like, for the... Holy shit. Yeah, that's an amazing story. But no, it's a YouTube video. It's like the lion a case on or whatever and like that was that was just the shittiest fucking interaction and my dad's like yeah Some guys, you know they got off the helicopter and it was all like Tell them or like Northern Alliance warlords or whatever. I got a college dropout who just fucking smoke like a chimney and drink jack Daniels It was awesome. His end to Australian like what hair rock. Yeah they did. Well they didn't want to foot who wants to make that movie right? Who wants to make a movie where it's like yeah these

bad special forces it hooked up with a college dropout who just decided to be paramilitary and you you know it's too much inspiration right. Like yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that thing. So some one of the things that I advocate for is like a fear pro abortion or not Sorry, not pro abortion pro pro not abortion like you know killing babies or whatever like you're the biggest Christian fundamentalist out there You're like I don't want anybody to ever have an abortion. It's not there right go to a What is a plant parent had go to plant parent, I've been, it's the most

disgusting thing you'll ever see. It's like 17-year-old, 17-to-21-year-old boys not even having the courage to walk a woman through the front door that they got pregnant. It's just girls getting dropped off at the front door, screw you, I'm going to Chick-fil-A, I'll be back, here's half the money. And so it's literally just women in there. And then the other thing I would say is, like, if you ever have a question about the military, ask to go to an MEPS station, a MEP station, and just wait for the day that they ship off. And it's just this- What's that?

What's MEPS? Military enlistment processing. Got it. Something- It's like, yeah, my brother went. I was an officer, so I'd... You're watching new people get sent out. Yeah, dude, holy shit.

It's like the trailer park just cracked a bit. Oh, God. And you, and like I said, like you realize the abortion center isn't like, it's women who have the shitty boyfriend and men in their lives. And this is going to save them from these assholes. You're like, it's not a woman thing, it's not a kid or a financial thing. these shitty boyfriend and men in their lives and this is going to save them from these assholes. You're like, it's not a woman thing, it's not a kid or a financial thing, it's literally

shithead boys getting girls pregnant. Go to the MEP station and it's literally what you said. It's young dumb full of cum, 17, 18, 19 year old boys who watch too much Chris Kyle and Jaco podcast and it's like- Too much Call of Duty. And I wish it was Call of Duty, you know, man. But it was. It was like one of the most depressing moments of my life

to, because my brother just flunked out of college and just quit. And then he's like, I'm gonna go enlist. And now he's, it's been six years since that. He's like, that was the most fucking stupid shit I have ever done. I should have just hung it up. I should have gone back to college but it is. It's depressing and it's so much like you said you're like we've known this since World War One what are you doing? It's like they don't

they don't read that. They don't read Hemingway. They don't read Band of Brothers or any of those books about these do not until they get there right until they get there right so like my brother so I grew up in a so I don't have to back the story up to what it was life when when it was just me and my mom growing up and my mom remarried we ended up living in a very nice suburb and then my brother grew up within that. So idyllic 90s Southern California life, right? I'm a picture of the Phil House already. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah.

And from graduation time, he had it planned out. He joined the army and he made it through basic. It's basic in the army, right? OK, so he made it through basic and then he went to his MOS. Yep. Sorry. And a couple of weeks into that, his knees had been blown out from the previous one and they gave him, you know, boots too big or winter boots and it was summer or some shit like

I don't remember. And then they told him he was making it all up and then he, they wouldn't let him leave once they had decided they, you know, look, there's two sides of this too, right? And I'm not hearing all the hurt. Yeah, but you know, then he comes back from that and he's filled with regret. He's filled with shame because he thinks he let people down that he said he was going to go do that for. And all I'm thinking is I'm just glad your home, dude. Like I'm glad you went through that. You learned a lot about yourself going through that.

And I'm so proud of who he is now. You know, he, however he left, he was able to get a GI Bill or, you know, some money. He went to IT school and he makes more money than fucking I do. Yeah. Absolutely. Not a big health in Phoenix. I'm like, you don't understand. You can't live there. It's going to be horrible. Don't live on us. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Actually, honestly, I think when I started telling that story, I was like, maybe he'll say something nice that I can clip out and send to my brother.

But I just, he, I got something for you. And this is actually one of the most painful things for me. It is that doing this podcast, I get all types of dudes, right? Like I've met that guys who got the military cross from the British Army for actions in Afghanistan. Like that's second to like their metal. I think it's like their metal of honor. It's huge. And second to the Victoria Cross, I think whatever it is. It's like it's a huge deal. And then I've met some great people and all over the military and like dad's a great example of that. He's got seven

bronze stars for combat. Yeah. And then it, I've met those guys. Right. But then I've also met, and I have friends who have killed themselves based on what, two of them who killed themselves because of their failures in the military. And then I have guys who have done bad things in the military and it kicks them out and they have these things going on. And the thing I always say is, look, I'm one of those guys who did a good job. I did most of the time when you go on a combat tour, which is Afghanistan or Iraq, you get

one medal for your whole time there and they're like, good job, bud. Here's a little take home. I got three. Then I got denied for two more. Basically every month I was doing something ridiculous that I 100% should not have been doing. And then somehow I got out of it by the skin of my teeth and my pants. And so I had a great time. I did good things and I would say it's broken for anybody. I don't think it's been...

I don't think it's been fixed since World War II and I can say that with utmost certainty because I've met a World War II vet. My grandfather was World War II vet and I got to talk to him, my uncle, my godfathers, a Vietnam vet, and my dad's been a veteran through literally since 88 till like two years ago. And even my dad, when he was watching it, he's like, this system is just so corrupt and broken and it's just careerism you have and I was talking about this. I think the incentives are misaligned right like the incentives promote the wrong things and and and and oh my dad was off the line and I can say that's now my dad was fucking pissed his last two to three years in and it was like we are like I say this sometimes I'm like to get a meme approved for information warfare against ISIS

You talk about that a lot. I need to talk to just can you take a second and just say that that's really a thing What you would get memes approved for information. Yeah, by fun You say that so casually because that's your life I think that is pretty wild. Yeah You say that so casually because that's your life I think people I think that is pretty wild. Yeah, I think so. Hold on a second. What?

Yeah, a whole bunch of like investigations with our Congress because we thought Russia wouldn't mean South on Facebook. You're saying. Yeah, no, there's, there's so like, there's entire cells for it. It's called MISO. And I was in those cells. No, no, no.

It's a big deal that Russia had an internet research agency. I don't know. I don't make it all. I don't know. Well, we can all have you. But I have to fuck it. But like, my dad was just like seeing me go through this. You know, here I am. I had already proved myself with the 100 first here. I am in fifth group, but I'm working with these cells. And I'm trying to get a 40 year old man to understand a meme against ISIS.

Like, like, I'm having to explain the hashtag was was. Like instead of is is, it's was was. And then you like pop a picture of dead ISIS guys up there. Like, ha ha bitch, like he couldn't get it. And we were like arguing with him. This is a green beret, lieutenant colon. And he's like, it's not funny. I don't get it.

And, like's like, it's not funny. I don't get it. And like like like like the ability to identify that the people around him they are put in that place to have good judgment. Yeah, have good judge. I know what they're doing. No, no, God no. And like I'm surprised by it because I understand Alan loves this word. I started saying business team and he's like, yeah, he's turned Roman Empire. I'm like, fuck off. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, by the way, I thought, dude, my, oh man.

But like the business in nature of the bureaucracy, like just it creates that situation. And it's so bad. And I just remember, like we're having this, like this is a full like 10, 20, 30 minute discussion because it's like there's approval process. Like you can look it up. You can Google me so sell approval and stuff.

And it's like a whole seven step process. And by the time we had fucking got done with this shit, the tattler, I wanna say Taliban, but ISIS had already sent out like three messages saying we lost three like religious fighters in the war, but we killed six Americans, like they had controlled the whole narrative. Meanwhile, I'm like, the fucking E7 like the sergeant first class he'd been doing this like 18 years

was outside smoking because I needed air too. I was so frustrated and he's just smoking he's like you know I quit two years ago and I was like are you kidding me right now? Oh shit and so but I and I say that but like if I could tell your brother like anything and then like any of these veterans It's like I've sat at those tables. We've I've been there on the successful side I've talked to the guys who are on the bad side and I can tell you it's broken If you read the book and I would recommend this to anybody who has problems with their service or they have questions like what the fuck happened to me read We were soldiers once and young by how more

and read the book, Band of Brothers. Not the movies, don't watch the movies. Read. Watch the movies also. Yeah, the movies are great. They're good. You're good. But the books, read the books.

You find out the Band of Brothers Easy Company was completely made of dudes who just, they were all like, we're gonna go to college and we're gonna get done with this they were citizen soldiers same thing with how more uh seventh cavalry they volunteered for the the air calf they that's that's we were soldiers yeah we were soldiers i feel like i've heard Dan carlin talk about that book oh uh Dan carlin probably has for uh i want I want to say, yeah, the World War one. Yeah, the world, it's, it's Vietnam. It's, uh, yeah.

I interrupted you. No, you're fine. It's, but you read about it. And it's like these guys spent, you over a year together. They, none of them really wanted to be there long term. The officers were not West Point officers. I think how more out of all the books I've read, how more was the only one I think who was West Point, but he stayed on. Major Dick.

Well, they were RTC OCS battlefield commissions. They were all just random dude like, you know, hey, I've got leadership potential. I'm going to take it. And then I tried to interject to college football. Yeah. Well, Texas, no, because Texas A leadership potential, I'm gonna take it. And then I tried to interject to college football joke. Yeah. Well, Texas, no, because Texas A&M is a big deal in the Army community. Well, I assume so by the way, they show up with their football games in pretend like they're all soldiers.

They're so lame, bro. Aggies are so lame, bro. They made their coach so much money. They do so many. Yeah. So, but you read this and it's like, No, they've made their count so much money. They've made so many. So, but you read this and it's like, there's thing, they're doing all these things that like, if anyone who was in the military did any of those things,

right, like they did half the shit that these guys are doing, they would have been kicked out of the military. Right. Because they're coming up with new ideas, they're thinking individually, they get to be with their units for like a year plus And they're doing all these great things and they're like, you know, they're these are staples in the American movie like you said Like you're like watch the fucking movies. They are a staple of

American culture like I mean you got you got David swimmer. Yeah as a warrior. I mean come on David Swimmer as a warrior. I mean, come on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Take a wrong day. David. David.

I mean, they are. And it's like, but if you read those books, you just sit there and you're like, this is nothing like the military. I was in it. It's like, yeah, because it's all West Point Rand. It's all bureaucracized. It's all about, it's, it's,

none of that individual is, because like America and like we have a guy in the the discord who like He's like that's his autism like rub like his smear on his his like world history pork loin It's like he's like citizen soldiers. He's like you shouldn't have a Like people should just come into the military and do their time and get out and they should be able as a man between the ages of 16 and my father's personal opinion 60 between the ages of like 16 and 60 you should just be able to walk into the military Do your time and walk out and be okay and if you think about it

That's the way the Constitution is written is that you have your second amendment. You're in good physical shape You're an American and that's kind of our thing. It's like we all should go. Yeah, that's the way the Constitution is written, is that you have your second amendment, you're in good physical shape, you're an American, and that's kind of our thing. It's like, we all should go. That's the law. Yeah, that's the law. Yeah, we pick up guns and we will kill you. But it's not. And it's-

Wait, is your estimation that we've lived that through World War II and pretty much? I'm what about Korea? Korea was cut- So like, that's one of those things that like, if I had to like say it, because like we talk about this like warrior culture, it doesn't exist in America, we have warrior families, and I'll fuck it, I'm one of those things that like if I had to like say it because like we talk about this like warrior culture It doesn't exist in America. We have warrior families and I'll fucking I'm one of them. I tried to tell you

Yeah, warrior family like it Really stopped somewhere around and I hate to throw Matt a bone here It stopped in the 90s fucking friends the the Bill Clinton optimism in the 90s. Fucking friends, the the the Bill Clinton optimism, the the seeds of like modern liberalism where it's like it's okay to be soft and watch Frazier for hours and friends and the office and so but that's Matt's built. What about what? It's Frazier, okay? I think Frazier's okay but I like Is Frazier okay? I think Frazier is okay. But I like, I like, I like, I was about to say, I like, I like those shows, I don't let

them, I don't sit there for eight hours, like some people in my family, but it started around the 90s and like we just kind of dropped it off, right? Like we haven't picked it back up and I don't, I don't know about, I mean you're older than me, you've done your time around the earth a couple of times. Like where did it be okay for like when they started like undermining the values of like a mayor, I would say American manhood, right? Like it's okay to shoot guns, okay to go hunting,

go lift weights, be in good shape and do that. It's, I think it stopped around the 90s, would build Clinton. There definitely was a transition point. I would say almost maybe mix the late 80s, maybe where it began. Some of that will start being a lot and safe. No, no, no, no, but like the whole, like the, like go go buy junk bonds and or sell junk bonds and you know go to your coke parties and like that kind of shit as a boat like Miami vice you know like yuppies yuppies that's largely an 80s thing yeah follow the Berlin I I the neighbors in Christmas vacation it's the fall of the Berlin wall too right like the big communist bear is no

longer there and and and although I'm pretty sure everybody breathed the cyber leaf if you were of conscription age in America. Like, oh god, I don't have to go die and some god forsaken field in Germany. But without an end. My version of that was turning 40. Yeah. I have nobody here anymore.

Thank God I'm not you grainy. Oh god, you'd be there tomorrow. Like you'd be on the front line tomorrow. Like, oh, you're not fat. Like, anyway. So I don't, I don't, I would say, yeah, just don't attribute value to it because like the guy who's giving you value,

the military has no value anymore. Like I haven't met one guy who has served valiantly and in combat situations who has anything good to say about the military that lost Afghanistan. They knew it was coming. They're like, this shit is ridiculous. And so what was waiting going to be like as a civilian, I'm like, I don't even know like what you guys are trying to do.

Like I don't get me wrong. Like I was 18 when 9-11 happened. Like, this is a good idea to go do this, but like- I did rest. Yeah. But- It's just had his neocon face. He had a push, fucking poster of George Bush.

Just like, oh, we're gonna take her down, baby. He's so fucking close. Can I fully shame myself? Go for it. Here's the reality of what you just joked. So we both worked at Staples at the time. And for whatever reason, they had like an education department Can I fully shame myself? Go for it. Here's the reality of what you just joked. So we both worked at Staples at the time.

And for whatever reason, they had an education department, because I think teachers would go down there. Or would go. And they had a pack of playing cards of the presidents. And one of them got returned, because they, and they only returned half of them, something like that. So I took the George Bush one out, and I put it up by where you put your mail and your keys at home.

I did that. I did. Wow. I know, I can't believe this. Chris. You're like a Mexican mother with a picture of Jesus up there. Like, oh god, yeah. You gotta take a shower.

That's the right. You gotta take a shower. You gotta take a shower. I was at that time. It was, I identified myself as a climber. I was someone that went to Yosemite and climbed rocks and that was part of who I was. Like I am bad-ass and I can point at a picture of me

doing something, right? Like I'm rocked and I believe that the people that hurt us on 9-11 deserve to punish. And as much as I didn't like George Bush before it, when he stood at the rubble and said, well, I can't hear you, but you know, the people that did this are going to hear from us. And then I found out that that was ad libbed

because obviously he had like one good moment because they wouldn't have wrote for him. I was like, man, and then he threw that that first pitch at the Yankees game from the mound. I was like, I didn't like him. Oh, and for him in 2004. That last? So like, I don't know, 2005 man. Like, and form a 2004. That last? So I don't know, 2005 man.

Like, I'm so ashamed of it. But like, you said that. Like, it almost fills a, I'm not a religious person. So, you know, I, at the time, I was like interested in Buddhism, so I was meditating a lot, which I understand this doesn't match. I'm very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, yeah, love this place.

You know, it's a sign of intelligent mind to be able to contain two separate ideas. Yeah, that was, I think it replaces a lot of, you could put, well, in countries where there's a political party that controls things, they don't want a religion. And that same reason that they don't want religion is how you can replace your religion with beliefs of the state. And that's very powerful in your, you know, while you, you know, you spend your teens and your home life learning principles and you kind of get taught that principles are very important. So you don't want to like, you don't want to be flexible on your principles. So it was really easy to kind of go off of your last guest, said a perfect job at this. You just operate off the be flexible on your principles. So it was really easy to go off of,

your last guest said a perfect job at this. You just operate off the leafs at that point. It's like, I've been, well, these things I know this, therefore I don't have to think about that. You know, this has been shown to me and I know what to do. Well, that's the, and this goes back to that Miso training, right? That, how do you fuck with people? It's like, if you're talking to somebody,

go ahead, dammit, I'm having a really hard time with this. But it's, I can't remember the system, but it's like, I feel I think I believe. And like if you can, yeah, like the three layers of questioning and like what they feel, they're not even thinking about it. And then you ask them like, okay, well, that's how you feel, what do you think about that?

And then you'll see it, like the, and then they got to like turn gears. And most people can't do that. And then belief is a fun one because they've thought about it. They've put some serious effort into it and they believe it. And if you do that to somebody, I guarantee you, based on their answers and say, I'll tell you this, they'll be like,

most people don't believe shit. They don't, they haven't thought about it, they haven't put that dedication to it, and they haven't put a pin, I'm going to die for this. And BA adventures, the guy we had on, was a marine intel guy who is probably the worst part of Afghanistan,

which is Helmand, which is next door to where I was, which was Candle. And so, we had a laugh about it, but his paper is great. And it, we had a laugh about him, but his paper's great. And it's just, it goes down that road of like beliefs and like Instagram. Is it in the discord?

He's got a drop, I'll message him until I'm to drop it. I did want to, I like, I know it's like 68 pages, but I do want to read it. It's literally the fall of Kroetown report is what the paper is. It should be called like. Like, wow.

Yeah, I'd be, I'd be called like. Wow. Yeah, I'd be RIP. Man. Yeah. You know, me and Dustin met at that time, like, around 2004 or something like that. Yeah, I'd go to his place, and I'd fall asleep on the living room couch and turn on Fox News, so I could listen to Glenn Beck

when I woke up. Oh! Glenn Beck. Oh, my God. You're not even an O'Reilly. O'Re Riley was after Glenn Beck. That's how old you are god damn I actually read so they would sell his books at stables that read them we both worked at stables not read them for free They're on the book read them on my lunch or while I'm at work. Yeah Nice

Well, you were saying more it's magical that we're friends based on that origin story. But 20 years. I think it says a lot about both of us, though, is that I don't, I think most people that are thoughtful and introspective suffer from this, I'm sure you'll identify with what I'm about to say. And probably a lot of the listeners, that I don't think that what I have to say is right. I don't think when I started doing the podcast, I'm like, who would want to listen to me?

I'm not the definitive answer on any of this. And then I realized, no, no, no, I can be entertaining what we talk about this. You can realize how you think I'm wrong, but you like listening to us talk, and that's what brings you in. You enjoy the conversation. And I'm not going to be an idiot. I just might be, I mean, I don't know right now.

I think I'm right right now because I have this entire body of lifespan before, you know, and I talk about those 10 years, you live up principles and then I think, you know, through my 20s and 30s, I learned how to like, principles are really important as like guide stones, but you need to be able to adjust when the winds change and then go back to your guides. And I think that I've done that enough that I feel confident that what I believe now is, you know, a good way to make decisions in your life and interpret the facts of politics

and geopolitics and blah, blah, blah. I was felt like, but I don't know, right? Like right now, I don't know. But I guarantee you, we can have fun talking about it and I won't be an idiot while I say it. Yeah, I'm so excited to say you could always articulate something in a nuanced way that I was appreciated

and I think we could have those conversations where I clearly disagreed with you but we could still have a civil conversation and maybe make some progress there and kind of both see the other person's perspective. I think that's, you know, that's helped us be friends for two decades, man. That's how we're doing a show. Yeah.

Pretty well. I was but I said, did you watch, uh, or did you listen to the one with Tobin? My, my, like, old, or ROTC buddy, college guy. I just, let just logistics in life. Um, I guy. Logistics and life. I think. So. Wait, how long ago was that? It was like two episodes ago, but he.

Yeah, yeah, I listened to this. Yeah, his point, and I say this because it like, oh man, it fucked with me for like days afterwards. And he said he's like, 60 to 70% of people don't have an internal monologue. And I was like, hold up, walk that one back. Like you can't just drop that and then leave. And it's real, it's very real.

And it's wild to me. Because like, I'm sure both of you have an internal monologue. Oh, definitely. And like your listeners probably do too. But I have an external monologue. Yeah. I mean, internal monologue. You have a discussion with some of you working through the problems. probably do too. But I have an external model. I mean, they're internal models.

You have a discussion with some people working through the problem with you. But you said that, and I was just like, oh, Jesus Christ. That's the people who are like, you know, I can't watch the news. I can't. It's too depressing. Or like just funnions are like the best, best example I've ever heard of that. Because I've heard of it. Funnions. Okay. Okay. But the best example I've ever heard of that because I voted Funions

Okay, okay, but the best example I've ever heard of it because like we're the same Podcast because like I voted for Biden and Matt voted for Trump work. We're chill and Now I didn't know that but yeah, no it was Dylan the big fat comedian who's always on, uh, and, uh, damn it, Alan, who is it? Something Dylan?

He's always on Rogan. Oh, Tim Dylan. Tim Dylan. I absolutely love him. Tim Dylan. I was a real estate agent during the housing crisis. I sold a mortgage to myself. He sold a junk mortgage to himself.

Like, God, that was so good. He gave himself an adjustable rate mortgage in 07. I was like, holy shit. But he did deal with like every five years that shit everywhere else like people read just their mortgages Yeah, it's weird. We get locked. Okay. Go on. Sorry. No, he was on the one where he was on the one with the Belarusian AI expert He's also one Rogan the the autistic guy who does like judo BJJ and he always wears a suit on his podcasts Lex Freeman likes for treatment. Yeah, I I didn't notice the autistic part Lex Friedman, I

I didn't notice the autistic part 100% I know my people we got a guest from his show on our show. How wild is that? Yeah, man, you're Old Brook. Oh, oh So he listened to the same radio shows we listened to and he's like yeah, so that's cool So I'm working through the problem here, but yeah No, Lex Friedman had Tim Dylan on. And Tim Dylan was like, you don't understand regular people, my guy. And he's like, they don't care about your love of the universe and wanting to be a better

person. He's like 60 to 70% of people, which is the same number tobe, and said, just want Bucky's nuggets and to sit on their couch. And if you sit there and tell them, you want love and freedom and all the goodness in the world and to have a good time and improve yourself and do great things They will literally look you in the fucking eyebrow and they will say I'm having a great time. I'm on my couch I got my bookies nuggets And I'm watching NCIS and it's like and and Lex Friedman couldn't get it He couldn't get it. He was like, he was like, what do you mean?

These people understand? I don't know and it was that's not compute and that yeah And that's why I say he's autistic because Tim Dylan probably would have had to grab him by the hair and like bring him down to like Dallas to be like Look upon these people, bro And just the lines of gas pumps and the buckies nuggets like literally I think And just the lines of gas pumps and the buckies nuggets like literally I think Dude we're getting a buckies here in Clarksville Tennessee. I swear it's like red neck I was about to say I don't think anybody lives in the towns where buckies exist Wow, I've never been to buckies. Oh Athens, I love I close this one. I like you. I heard you talk about it Go

He likes it. I think yeah, no he literally no in the middle of the fucking podcast He picks up a bag of the bucket's nuggets He's all he did was pull over to let the dogs go pee 45 minutes like I don't know I did Natasha went to the I put gas in the car got a win inside I took the dogs to go pee at 45 minutes were gone there's Alan go swear to God it's like the mecca of America it's 120 gas pumps the as far as the eye can see lifted up F450 trucks it's literally a mini fucking Walmart. And that's why he's like, that's like the dog's piss

and she disappeared for an hour. Like, yeah, welcome to Bucky's. Like, it's like a black hole. Yeah, it's cool. Good times. And so like, it's everything that the cliche is are. Like, everyone's told you these things before

and then you get there, like it's everything, it's like Dan Carlin says that Japanese are. They're just like everyone else except more so. Yeah, it, you know what's funny is like when you see like, this is, this is the way I can put it because we have so many people in our discord from all over. It's like a German guy drinking like a nice big beer and then looking at

himself and going, oh, I'm so disgusting. I'm like the racist stereotype or like a Frenchman having coffee in a bag get more like laughing at him. Like, ah, French, you go to a buckies and I swear to God, you'll get a cowboy hat and you'll be like, this is the most racist, American shit. I'm like, why am I buying it? Gas for your truck,

fucking 64 ounce big gulp and a feministized baguette burritos for that fat ass. These fucking... I don't have a little hair for a reason. Like, this is like America. America. If they're so close, I bet you within five years of siops and marketing, it's just gonna be a half-naked

chicken buggy with the little gofers on our tits, and she's gonna have a snow shovel, and she's gonna dip it into the bookies nuggets, and you're gonna be on your rascal, and you're just gonna open your mouth, and fuck you. I'm just gonna... your mouth and fuck you. Aaaaah.

Shut up on that shit. And it's gonna be called the fuel up and fill up deal. It's $10. You get $10 a gas and the half naked chick just shoves a fat shovel a fucking bunk is nudge in here. Oh man. It's utopia. Yeah.

You go there and you're like this is gross you know how like you know how like a vice president and a president don't always match up like Mike Benson Trump right it was like yeah that's enough to win right like one brings enough in for the other to if buckies and top golf combined oh god America like they could take over the country. Like, she's just imagining if what you just described and it was like the teas get loaded with Bucky's nuggets and there's just like 300 town people out in raffle scooters.

Gotcha. Exactly. And they have GPS sensors into the Bucky's nuggets and you don't care. And they can tell if they get a hole in one. Like if you eat it, they know. Oh, dude, do you know how many, like, bro, if I tell him it's gonna listen to this,

he's gonna be like, fuck you, I would. Do you know how much we could get like the C suite or like project managers to pay? Like come smack a bucky snuggit into a fat American's mouth. And it's like, it's like $20 a bucky nugget. And he's just up there in a polo, smackin' bucky nuggets and the rascal scooter fat guys who can barely turn, they're like,

eh! You make it better. You make it better. The people that get hit. So instead of trying to catch it, if you hit them, right, because it's hard, right? How many times you tried to hit the guy in the cart when you were doing that?

Yeah, that's right. You never did. So, okay, okay. So we put like 10 of them out at a time, and that way you raffle it, right? So you make money on the raffle tickets, and you only have to give away like 10 spots, right? But all you get is you want to win the raffle.

So then you send 10 of them out there, and you let all these elites go up there and hit the pucks. Now, now in this case, you're not allowed to ever go back to a bucky's again if you get hit. Oh. It's one of the bad dude. This would be a hard target ball.

No, because this is going to go down a terrible route, because my mom has neck tattoos. I know how this part of the world thinks. You think that you're going to outlaw alcohol, but really what you did is invent NASCAR. You think that you're gonna get these buckeys guys to not get hit with buckeys nuggets. You're gonna invent motor sport rascals. You're gonna have fucking, they're gonna start jerry rigging their rascals

so they don't get hit. There's gonna be no tanks on these bad boys. And before you know it, there's just rascal NASCAR. Oh, okay, man. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. You're like America. You're not gonna see that anywhere else in the world, man.

Oh, maybe Australian. Yes, Australian. I'll do it for me. Can I? Can I? Can I? Can I? Can I?

Can I? If you, because I spent six months with the Australian Army and I found my people down there. Like it was the perfect amount of like education meets rat like trailer part. But the cost is not Australian. Okay, perfect. So you know, have you heard Dingbo say no Duff Robocop or like have you heard about that? So I don't think I know. Oh my god, it's beautiful and I want it so bad.

So no Duff means no lie. It's like no shit no lie and it's a and I want it so bad. So no Duff means no lie. It's like no shit, no lie, and it's a radio transmission for the army. And so they'll say no Duff, which means no lie. And a Robocop is a bet where if like no lie, I bet my Robocop hair. And if you lie and you can't do it, like no Duff, I can bench Paris 300, no Duff Robocop.

I can bench 315 pounds. If you can't, you gotta shave your head like Robocop And so you end up oh wow His friends polymer yeah, and so it's so great and they're the best and now we have a podcast with Dingo And it's gonna be awful. I can already tell it's gonna get shut We have this we have this saved in our soundboard We have this we have this saved in our soundboard That's my Australian some day probably cousin saying oh no, oh no

Like fuck We have New Zealand guys in the discord, but they don't like it when I say Arnau No, yeah, they do it a little different and a lot louder. Yeah, yes It's fine. I don't think they're upset about that. Can I ask you a question about Americans and Australians? Go for it. About this today. I was like, I think if I can remember to ask him and then we started talking about Aussies.

Do you think that there is, like, and so, you know, I've traveled quite a bit. You've clearly lived all over the world, interacted with different cultures. But you've also seen, you've also seen, interacted, you've seen the commonalities amongst like humanity, right? Do you think there's another country other than Australia that would fart in their hand and smear it on the brother's face? I struck a grit doing a German stripling. Well, they'll do it when they get old enough, but not like to their brother The only other people I can see doing stuff like that are the Baltics like Estonia Latvia Lithuania

maybe Poland and Because it's like Australia is like the red necks. Like they're like our Georgia, Louisiana stuff like that. Like always just out there in the wilderness and it wants to kill them. So they have to survive type thing and like the Baltics, because I start with them too and they're awesome. They're so great. They are. They're like the redneck version of like Finland, Sweden and Norway.

It's like you meet those people and they're like, you're such beautiful, intelligent, articulate people. They're like, yeah, don't go to the Baltics and then you meet the Baltics and it's like, it's like Russia touch the, like Norway, Finland and Sweden. And it's just like, and we don't believe in the other end. We are, we still believe in the Nordic gods.

That guy, like they were like all over the place. Like the shortest Lithuanian was my size and like I'm I'm 5'10 200 pounds and that was the that was like the smallest dude huh that makes sense yeah no then they're gonna basketball non-psyc winter it's weird it's weird so weird that they like basketball yeah it's so they would they would fart in like no so when They switched Lithuanian soft teams one of the dudes came in and Go ahead what you got the well story the what What who where that that was my buddy the one who's my size who like basically tried to drop a bomb on himself

And then he blew up the guy is a you look looked at it. Yeah, he was Lithuanian. That's who gave me my last medal because I got turned down for a bronze star because I had two archives on the C device. Then I got turned down for the bronze star because they're like, he can't get three. The other one that I got was a Navy Achieve, a NATO, like a high-end NATO medal they wanted to give me. And it got denied. I got denied by a Lieutenant Colonel in the Lithuanian Special Forces submitted it

and he's like, fuck this. And so he went back for a week to Lithuania to go get me a medal. I was like, what the fuck, bro? That is wild. And so, it was great because when they went to take a picture, he's like, no pictures in there. I'm like, what, he's like, you're forever an enemy of Russia.

Because apparently he had, he was part of their Delta Force. So I have a Lithuanian Delta Force hat patch like the works. And so they were who are, but he had killed and smoked like Russian agents in Lithuania. And he came back with the medal, but he came back with the second team. And this dude ducks through the doorway. And he goes, I hear you're the guy. And I was like, of what? He's like, the PowerPoint guy, the guy who finds the guy's to kill.

And I was like, guess, he's like, oh, Cody. I was like, yeah, he's like, we're going to kill many people together. And I was like, cool. And so we have like an in-breath when we do like stuff. Like, okay, these are the black hawks. This is like what we're looking at. And like, these are like, cool. And so we have like an in-breath when we do like stuff. Like, okay, these are the black hocks. This is like what we're looking at. And like these are like the systems. And I tell them like, you're with me.

I love the Lithuanians and the Polish. I do your PowerPoints. I help you move the aircraft and show where you're gonna land. They're like, perfect. And so like, because like the other team had already told them, there's this lieutenant here. He just loves fucking killing bad guys. He does your PowerPoints for you.

He works his ass off. Just make sure he eats. He's loves fucking killing bad guys. He does your power points for you. He works his ass off Just make sure he eats. He's lost like 35 pounds And so he Does he get cranky? No, he used to come in and be like Cody of you eating today and then they came to Clark's field to see me Oh you I'm sure yeah, it was me I I left 195 pounds. I came back one sixty five. Oh, my mom didn't even she's like what happened? I was like they didn't let me off the computer like

to get my mind. Did you dig a rat? No, I didn't. I just caffeine, bro. I just got really addicted to caffeine and I just slept at like this like works. Are you the only person who was in the army and didn't get into dip? My wife got into dip. I didn't, my wife would dip. That's how it's stuck in. But no, he, he like, he walks up to the helicopter because he's super sighted. He knows like, okay, this is the guy.

This is the dude. And so he walks up to the helicopter. And I'm like, what are you doing, man? And he's like, I don't need a dog tail. And which is like what you used to like Lincoln. It's like a little lanyard to use Lincoln to the bottom of the black hawk, so you can ride with your feet out.

He's like, I don't need a dog tail. He's like, I'm just gonna Lincoln with my dick. And like, I was like, dude, I was so excited. Like, this was like his first deployment. And I already had like nine missions for him to go on like this dude was like 6.8.2.75 pounds making dick jokes, fart jokes, slapping people just like oh, oh like showing up like LeBron James to like an easy fucking game just like Like I get it like you're gonna go shoot five foot four Fganys and you're like a monster

Wow, can you believe they let me do this? like you're gonna go shoot five foot four fganes and you're like a monster like wow like can you believe they let me do this? yeah that was his whole thought process and like dude they were so sad but uh... but yeah that's if somebody would fart in their hand and like put it in your mouth it's the Polish the Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvians and I got to be honest I said the Germans I forgot about the Polish they would like it the Germans would like it. They pay for it.

For front facing, they'd say no, because of the shame. They would find some where really. My last name means Mr. in German. So they'll get at me if you're upset about that. You'd be like, I'm going to fart in my hand and put in your face. They'll be like, do you accept Apple Pay? Like, fuck. Femal?

Femal? Femal? Femal? But you guys got anything you want to talk about or anything? Because any question? Yeah, I kind of do. I've covered most of the stuff. Actually, you talked about bricks. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Talk to me about that a little bit. Yeah, you talked about bricks. Talk to me about that a little bit. Yeah, I think we have. So, so I come, if I can, Alan, I always do this. I think we have a common origin of Peter, Zion fans. Appreciation, let's say fans. Fans is a weird word because in America, it means I like support this club, but in the rest of the world, they're like, no, that's short for Fennate, because it's like, okay, well, I'm not an addict for Peter'sign.

Anyways, so coming from that perspective and talking about you, you mentioned it earlier, half of everything, half of the finance sector or housing and child. Half the world. No, half the world is going to be in Britain. Oh, no, not the world. Sorry, half of the finance sector or housing in China. Half the world. Half the world is going to be in Britain. Oh, no, not the world.

Earlier in the conversation when you said half of the finance sector in China is... 50 cents. Yeah, 50 cents. The housing in China. That's what it is. So, you know, having a base layer of understanding of Peter Zeyn's outlook on the world, that's like, yeah, we saw this coming. China's not making it past 20, 30.

I've heard that a million times. And it's accelerating. So it's worse than we thought. I've watched his YouTube updates. I don't just read his books. The, I see that. And I go, okay, well, we are better situated to get through this. It's going to be bad for us.

The world's going to get worse. And it's going to get bad in a lot of pockets in different ways. In the US, I tend to believe we're going to ride through it. Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to like what that feels like. You see that news from China and you say, this is bad. Sure, it's bad, but like we are on a course towards some kind of a failure or catastrophe. So isn't it good to see that coming in the way that we anticipated instead of with surprising? So like you're saying, and take that back to bricks. So bricks is expanding into diluting itself into fucking Argentina until they get fucking

the Trump of Argentina. I know he's not. And yeah, I guess it's two questions. You know, they're gonna bring Saudi Arabia and Iran into some kind of a union, which makes sense because it started off with what India and China. So everybody loves each other, but it doesn't matter because from your perspective,

their whole thing is undermine the dollar and it's all fine anyways. So, okay. Hop of Peter's Ion? No, I don't think he understands that. And that's the one thing. Here's the thing that I don't, where Peter's Ion fails. He's never served in an environment with those people and seeing the level of tenacity and vigor and hate in there.

Like just their soul they have for America. Like I mean it, when you see 12 dudes put on body armor and think that they're gonna take on in a patchy gunship, there's a difference between that stupid and okay, these guys like really fucking hate us, right? Like there's no winning against the... There's no winning against the... People do things so hard hate us, right? Like there, like, there's no winning against it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no explode and then take a bag, like, take like five boxes of nine inch nails, chuck them in the air and then make them explode above your head.

That's a pretty hate machine. Yeah. Sounds pretty bad. Yeah. Sounds rough. I could go on about full shits. I have a story about a pilot who used to love them and I used to give him targets all the time.

I'm like, there's two shit heads right here. Just go fucking kill him. Fuck her. I used to find people for that shit. You can do just, but they knew, they knew, and they would still go out in the middle of the night. And keep in mind, this Apache isn't like flying above. They can engage targets up to five kilometers out.

And I say out this, like go out in the middle of the night, look up and see if you can see five K. Like, they still wanted it. They still wanted it. They still wanted that fight. And Peter is Ion when he talks about bricks, he doesn't understand that I can read it, and he can read it, and he sits there, and he says, well, this makes sense

from an economic perspective, but the political science of it is that these countries don't really get along, and the value of their dollars and their economies doesn't really match up. I'm like, that's not the point. The point of this, and I'll get to the china bit after this because the bricks one gets me heated because I literally just have- Why didn't you have a solid question? Yeah, and they are good.

But it's like bricks is literally the bet is because they want a gold standard dollar for the third and second world. And what it's going to do is, and for those that don't understand, essentially, they can't print money. However much gold they have is however many dollars they have, it's a one for one swap, you can't do much without it. Nixon pulled us off the gold standard so he could print money and fund the war machine in Vietnam. That's like literally fucking the moral of the story, is that we have a money printer so that we can print more money, devalue the dollar, but

essentially try to bring the economy up. And made us allies with Saudi Arabia. Well, yeah, and then that's an economic principle as well, right? You can only trade oil for dollars and say what you've never did anything wrong after that. I know Saddam said he was going to switch to the to the euro and then Gaddafi said he was going to switch to the euro and then those two regimes fell, but let's just chill for like, that's not correlate those things. Like, it wasn't for oil. There was that Tunisian fruit seller. Why would you bring up the fucking Euro?

Yeah, for those that don't understand this inside joke, we kill you if you try to take your oil off the dollar because essentially what we do is you can trade dollars for oil. And I mentioned this on the Tobin podcast with Logistics and Life, as I said, the minute we took the Swiss took their accounts from the Russians and we convinced everybody that it was okay to touch the money of dictators, that was a no-no. And I had this discussion last night with a guy in the discord, I was like, if you're a dictator and you can't have a Swiss bank account and you can't just step away. Like America's like, you're done, we're putting somebody else in charge or you're a capitalist, like if America

comes in and steps in and says, get the fuck out. You at least have your Swiss bank account. Now America's saying, you don't get shit. And we can enact regime change. And so Saudi Arabia, as I, it's serious, but a joke, but people need to remember this. Saudi Arabia took five minutes out of their day to stop beating women and killing journalists. And they said, you know what we need to do? We may need to protect our bank accounts because anybody who disagrees with America, they're just going to shut the bank account off. And Iran is like,

well, duh! Like, what do you think we've been fighting? And if you read the books, three dangerous men and the Russian way of war, talk about this garism of in shoygu shoygu RIP to the legend But you they knew the Libya I rack the the color evolution's the Arab Spring We have changed all of these, the last 30 years, how many regime changes have we enacted because we felt like it. Now we know we can get the Swiss to turn off the bank accounts, we can turn off all this money.

So all these countries, it's not about economics, it's not about politics, it's literally about anything but that, like it's anything but America. And we are seeing it that like six of the nine countries in OPEC are already with like Team Bricks maybe because they're and that's a big deal. I mean six of the OPEC's done. They're done with the dollar. And so it's just going to plummet. And I've said this last night, if you lost 10% of the GDP of America, bodies would be in the streets tomorrow. People would be shooting each other. Nobody's ever done that before.

Like this is great depression 2.0. If you lose 10% of the economy in any of the BRICS countries, it's a Monday. They, they, they, they, oh no, we're poor. Looks around mudhut. I didn't know we were rich like like It doesn't matter and so if they're willing to go toe-to-toe To work with us and we have a money printer and they have a gold standard and

Basically the guys who hold the line on our economic front is the Federal Reserve, Deutsche Bank, fucking name a hedge fund. That's who they're coming for. And they're just going to, why fight? They can just transfer to Bricksbuck's and bail and leave us. And then we're just left with the money printer. And I firmly believe that if they can, the only thing they have to do is go look. And it was the president of, it's the country just north of Ethiopia, west of, uh, Oh, yeah, I'm great on African geography. You're nailing it. Yeah. Is it Eritrea? Yeah. I think it is. Yeah. He literally looked at Putin. He said the Americans don't manufacture shit. They're just a banking system.

I don't care what we have to do and so they don't care. It's literally, and that's the thing that Peter Zahin is overlooking is that, that hate, I used to have a judo in wrestling BJJ coach tell me that. He's like, you never wanna go and find fire. And Mike Tyson about his son, you can't make a fighter out of a rich kid, but you can go to the ghetto, find you a

Mike Tyson, find you some disgruntled Latin white from the trailer part, Detroit ghetto, black, whatever. You can find them here in America and turn them into a fighter. There's literally entire countries of people like that. It's the story of empires. There's the regional, you become sort of a big deal in your region, then you win some regional conflict, you become the superpower that has a lifespan. Things in our modern time are accelerated.

You know, I heard you in the last episode talking about the idiots that compare the American Empire to Rome and Florida. You with you? But I tend to say, fine, that's a fine comparison, but I tend to say fine. That's a fine comparison, but you have to accept that things that took decades then happened in about a year here. Like we just go through it so fast right now.

I would say that you could be a five under your empire. When it comes to that room argument to Claire, like not to, but it's usually what they say is like, it is, it usually is an ignorant person. Yeah, it's like one sentence and it's like, well,'s unpack that because like if you've ever read the the fall of Rome It's like like you said it's like a 250 years. It's all these multiple things. Then you try to you can just You can just look at the Republic period. I mean, I don't include anything post-seas or honestly you can End it at sola and call that like the Republic period of Rome

But sure you can I mean it's right to end it with Augustus and Caesar. But, you know, that period, that's to me, Rome. That you're going to compare anything to the United States. It's 500-ish years of Roman history that, yeah, with technology and the way that things happen globally and speed things up these days, you can do that in a real 100-year century, one and a half. these days you can do that in a real 100 year century one and a half. And they see, yeah, but the last part of your question, the, the 50, the top 50, the top 50 real estate producers in China, all just defaulted on loans, which means they got like a 30 degree experience to pay that shit off. But it's a form of economic warfare because those loans are American,

they're Canadian, they're British. Yeah, and they use those loan payments to pay for other things. And as far as we are stretched out, we were talking about grocery bills and everything like that. If you don't have that loan payment coming in, how many other, it's like the dominos, they're going to fall. And like I said, if China, if China's economy collapses,

they're not gonna feel it. The rich might, the vast majority, 95, 90% of them will figure it out. And they know how to figure it out. If we fall, we don't know how to figure that out. How many people have chickens, how many people have a vegetable garden. Like that's the level of fall I'm saying.

Like, and I'm not trying to get all prepar on yet. It's just, it's just, it's just, I think, the fact that I still have about a fucking generator makes me so mad. Oh, dude, every time winter comes, I'm like, God damn it, I didn't buy another generator. Yeah.

And I mean, that's my, and I say that too because my grandmother, my dad's mom was in the Great Depression. She lived to be like 95 and she had a vegetable garden. She knew how to fish. She knew how to do all that stuff and she was like, I grew up on cloth diapers and made baby in the garden.

And she used to say all the time, she's like, if we have an, and she was scarred from the Great Depression, like Republican people would call her and be like, I have a liberal for life, then just throw the phone. And so, but yeah, and so it, she was just amazed. She's like, you don't know how to farm, you don't know how to hunt, you don't know how to, because like she was that poor. And it's not about like surviving. It's just about like, there's gonna be a depression period.

There's gonna be a recession period. Americans can't handle that. Bricks can't, and they, they are, they're gonna handle it. And if it takes them five years, 10 years, or 15 years, being poor, my favorite thing, and I hate using it as like a, it's like a tactic that I always put, I wanna be in, right? If I'm, me as a person, is that the IRA say when they, they tried to kill Margaret Thatcher and she said, you have to be right

every time we just got to get right once. What? And so I always put myself when I'm planning military operations or like economic or anything, I'm like, who's in that position? Bricks, bricks is in that position. They don't have to, we, America has to be right every year, time after time after time. We have to figure out the oil, we have to figure out the food, we have to figure out all this stuff.

Brex just needs one domino to fall for this sand castle we have for an economy to work. And they can wait, or like the Taliban said, you may have the watches, but we got all the time in the world. Like, they're just going to wait. And that. Now, how much of that though is a couple of things though. Those are largely countries that are ran by one person or a party. So you're describing the people's will

and that's the way that's being dictated as the people's will. And also the second thing I'm classic at is not remembering my second thing. So why don't you say it? So it's like, you know, their dictatorships, how long can that last, right? Like, and or how does that represent the person that doesn't matter? I love, well, it doesn't matter until it doesn't exist. Yeah, you're held in and like it got this whole gold standard off of 30% of the world's gold. How is that going to be a thing? I mean, you ever felt an AK? You ever felt that? Like... I mean, it's an awesome firearm.

It's got this like, the wood furniture feels crisp. It's a little jiggly, but that feeling of the boat riding back and then forward, it's like that shunk. You're like, oh man, that is just... That feels good. They're the AK of the world. Yeah, there's... No, it's...

No, what I'm saying is like, it's really hard to have an opinion on the other end of that thing. Like, it's like, I mean, and the other thing is like, somebody said, well, like the dollar is back by the United States military. Ha ha, I'm like, okay, what are you gonna do? Invade fucking East Africa, Mozambique, Somali, like we're switching, you're going to go invade Saudi Arabia,

you're going to invade the Middle East again for regime change because they're switching. And then either designs take more of like the value of the soft power of it though, that like at the end of the day, how invested is India in seeing China succeed at this? Because if this organization is largely China's desires, like you're going to tell me the guy that wants to be the dragon emperor isn't also, so you look at the history of China, like I'm sure you're familiar with the step people in China and the emperors of China,

not the step people of China, although that existed, but how regional power is and then unification. Oh look, China unified, oh look, China unified. It hasn't quite happened in the right way, they under one person in a while, it's about do, and I think someone thinks they were right for that. How does that fit in a place that also includes Argentina and Iran? I mean, it's like kind of like this. Like if you, if me, you, Alan and like seven other random

dudes from the College of Vanderbilt, like, let's say this, you go, you to go to the local college, pick four liberal arts majors. And you say, hey, I got my buddy, my buddy Cody is coming. He's an army vet. He's a former judoka who was at the international level. He's a BJJ national champion, uh, special operations combative's program. And we're going to get in a room with him and we're gonna fight all of us freestyle. What's the first thing all of you are gonna agree on? First one to go is Cody's got to die, right? It doesn't matter about Dustin or Alan or any of that.

The first thing that's gonna happen is like I don't care if the fuck happens after Cody but Cody's got to go. And so the thing is, is like, India and Russia and all these countries. And I think that's something that, like, we saw in Eritrea, like he was literally saying, like, they got to go. Like, they got to, because we can fight each other later. America's got to go. And I think that's what India and China are saying,

is like, you know, we have these border disputes, we have some economic ties, we have these things going on. And I bet what India's thinking is like, you know, we have these border disputes, we have some economic ties, we have these things going on. And I bet what India is thinking is like, okay, look, every time exactly like you say, the dragon emperor falls, they go down. The first thing that happens, and it's almost a meme, is like China gained a new leader. One million people died. Like there's never a soft change of power in China.

And I'm pretty sure I ran, or not I ran, but India's like, okay, look, if America's not here, we know China's gonna fall. We just to wait China out, right? We can play with that. But if, why not be willing to just, I mean, guys, I feel like it's just as likely that they would say,

or we can do this thing, but at the end, we're gonna partner economically with America's interest. And, you know, I feel like it doesn't end as, like you're right that, like, yeah, the first thing everyone's gonna agree on is Cody has to die. But in reality, like, three of those nine people or whatever our number is, are gonna go,

yeah, but if we just outrun him, we'll live too. And then your whole plan pulls apart. Well, that's the other thing, right? Is you got those cheese dicks in the back who are like, okay, Dustin and Alan are committed to killing Cody. But Alan's a pretty big dude. So if I let Alan go first and then I'm like, kind of in the dog pile and then my knife

just kind of slips through Alan's throat. Like they are not the first ones in. They're the second ones in. Like, oh, yeah, I'll put a couple hands on Cody. Totally on team. But my hands gonna be on Alan's throat though, right? Like, you know, I'm gonna, I'll put a couple hands on coding. It's totally on team. But my hand's gonna be on Alan's throat though, right? You know, I'm gonna be dying, but Alan's gonna be like,

I'm gonna be like, that's woozy, like, forgive me. I feel weird over here. It's, yeah, and I honestly think that a lot of it has to do with culture and acceptance as you talk about like campaigning principles of like diplomacy, information, military, and economic. And this is a really shitty thing to say, but I think that most people would understand it,

especially Indians, if you ask them, is like, at the end of the day, or you side with America, are you really their friend? Are they really going to understand your culture that you don't kill cows? That you're you're still an Indian right? Show bobs in Vagine. See? See? Got them! They're not gonna yeah and so it's it's it's it's easy and but for countries like Japan and South Korea who are our friends they are accepted into us like I say the Marie every Marine either watches anime or has a wife who body pillow. Like they are accepted and it

takes a while to become accepted as a culture into the West and America. And there's a little give and take, right? Like, you know, you got to put on the odorant. I'm going to watch anime. You eat beef and I eat ramen noodles. Like, there's a little bit of culture exchange that needs to happen. And most of these countries, or they don't want it. And that's the other thing that comes with it, is like ESG scores, right?

How liberal are you? What about LGBTQ rights? What about women's rights? What about all these things? And that's why I say like, you're not going to convince Saudi Arabia or Eritrea or Iran to stop hanging LGBTQ people in the public square to accept a billion dollar loan. They're bad. We just, but we can still at some point coexist with them by saying, we're going to say we don't like

you doing that, but not getting the way you do it. Just treat them like we do Israel. Like, you know, it's not the thing. You get a lot of what you do but you're a best friend. I still feel like ultimately though there's this thing where people will... Man, actually I have a thought and I lost it. I apologize. I thought it was coming. It's on the tip of my tongue. Why don't you say what you're thinking? Oh, no, I was about to say how do you how do you win? You you get you stopped the ESG crap you stopped the the you stopped the liberal I

Have a so I'll save that for the discord, but you you have a Liberalism and these social values cannot come into the right away, right? Three cups of tea or you know, you got to you got to talk to these people you got to work with them and it takes a long time. We said these things out loud that you're not saying when we went into Iraq we said like a lot of people said I don't think that the people of you know like I understood that Baghdad was in modern city I'm not ignorant to that. But the people of Iraq were not ready for us to say, yeah, but you guys are gonna have the Western American democracy overnight. It just seemed foolish at the time.

And then we're like, yeah, but we're kind of committed. So. It's one of those things that people don't, like, so like special forces, like most people think that those do just kick indoors and shoot people in the face, which is true now, but When it was first originated the idea was that these guys were supposed to go in assimilate be with these cultures they spoke perfect languages my dad speaks perfect Egyptian and They work with them and they fight through them right like 12 dudes are supposed to become a battalion, like fucking a thousand plus dudes and they train them and they work through them and they know

the culture and they lead them to victory. But the problem is is that politicians and businessmen and generals who are basically half politician, half soldier get involved and they make these quick snappy decisions that look good. Like, if you think about that, I just said we have to raise a battalion of soldiers and like every man has always done it or kid boy, whatever. They've always thought about becoming, I want to be a pregozion, I want my mercenary army. Actually, think about that for a minute. How much body armor, how much guns, how much training, it takes months to make a soldier.

So the idea was for Afghanistan is that we were going to go in and in 12 months we were going to have this good fighting force of Northern Alliance, Posh Tune Afghans fighting the Taliban, take it back, and we work with them. And we work with them. And it's massaging those things. There's a book called Three Cups of Tea, and it's about that. You don't just immediately go into business. And if you want those relationships, it's a lot.

And then the beauty of that beast is the British. They are excellent at that. They get involved. Even their mercenaries, and bagged out Iraq, they weren't like black water. Black water was shooting people in the face and asking questions later. Whereas the British mercenary groups

were, they were integrated into the populace. They treated them nicely. They spoke Arabic. They worked with the populace. And it's in it. They learn. They learn. They're dividing and conquering to...

It took a long time with the empire, but we got it right, lad. Let me fucking... A little bit of, you know, hey, colonialism has its perks, I guess. You get real good at war. Not in your fucking, but a little bit of, you know, hey, colonialism has its perks, I guess. You get real good at war. But, and that's something that's like, God forbid I say this, the liberal agenda, the liberal mind does work, but it doesn't work

like they think it does. You can't force LGBTQ plus women's rights and stuff like that on this culture. You're gonna have to deal with, and this may be from example, an individual breaking an AK on the back of some dudes head because he touched a supply cache. You know, that happens, or you know, beatings and rapings, and I mean, there was that Green Beret who shot a guy for raping a small boy in Afghanistan. They're called chai boys. It's a thing, and you have to, it's like we can't

They're called chai boys. It's a thing and you have to it's like we can't Assault that problem now we got to work on other things, but maybe we push that guy to the side And we don't work with him who's you know raping small children small boys and we push him over there We don't give him assistance because if we intercept that culture you can change a culture and do these things It's just it's turning of the dial So yes, and yeah, and yeah, and the whole's turning of the dial. It's time. Yeah. And yeah. And it's the whole wakeups of team means, right? Yeah.

Taking the time to many, many meetings. Right. And so like the liberal agenda that involves stuff we mentioned earlier that we don't have time for pragmatism, you know, between the whole environment, right? Like the thing is, it's like, I think that if the trolley problem, you're going to have to make a bad decision, but like you're trying to accomplish an overall objective and you can't let your principles get in the way of... Yeah. You pick the best worst, the best bad outcome.

Yeah. Yeah. And Americans aren't known for taking their time. And it's a cultural thing and it's what's really, really, really bad is you had... a cultural thing and it's what's really, really, really bad is you had, like, and this is, my dad was completely trained up on that. He had trained the Kuwaiti army after the Gulf War and, you know, trained them up to be an army. He had trained other Middle Eastern countries like Jordan. Jordan now has a superb special operations. They have a special operations training center in Jordan. It's one of the best in the world. Started in the 90s.

It took them years to do that. But like, and my dad has said it, like, you got them, they moved the goal post every time. It was like, okay, we get there. And it's like just beat the Taliban. And then they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait family school? We leave it, like, with all these schools. Yeah. Don't remember that being what we said in 2001. Remember something else.

I remember this being important. Don't hear me wrong. Yeah, but, and what, and the unknown, in fact, about that is that what actually happened was during this time, you had these leaders playing with special forces and throwing them cookies. And I can go down this rabbit hole because I was in the room when

uh, it basically Marsochmer and special operations command replaced fifth group in the Middle East. It was this oh, it was a big day, but the thing was is okay, we're gonna spin these dials, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, you know, we're just gonna be quick, we're gonna be real quick in and out five minutes, you know, home, home by Christmas boys and So quick, in and out, five minutes, home by Christmas boys. And it was like, okay, well, we have dudes patrolling, but who's going to kick in these doors? And so special forces slowly shifted from doing these things to kicking indoors and shooting in people in the face. They were really, when it started, they were there to do forced multiplication and build these places up.

My dad, when 2001 happened, probably spoke a perfect Egyptian. By the time we left Afghanistan, almost every green beret team had interpreters because they couldn't speak posh to it all. They had lost the ability. And so what and I look at that in the same battle or in the same war, excuse me. Yeah, 20 years, 20 years. all done. How you doing that? I'm sorry, how? It shouldn't you reinforce that though? Am I not following you? You, the thing that happened was those snappy decisions and what looked good.

And we spread out tooth-in and people wanted results. And they wanted numbers. General Miller, who was in charge when I was there, turned the Afghan war into a war of attrition. And if you don't know what that means, we basically were counting how many Taliban HVT we killed. It sounds a lot like what we learned about Vietnam. No, we didn't learn shit.

We didn't learn shit. I mean, you could have said that's moreland. Yeah, West like I have talked about. It is. He was Westmoreland. And what's even funnier is that Miller, after Afghanistan fell, he retired and he went to go work for SIG who now owns all the contracts for the small arms of the military. They won all three contracts. But he turned it into a war of attrition and when people sit there and they say like,

man, Cody, what did you do in Afghanistan? Well, one of the soft units I worked with was Ranger Regiment and they do three-month deployments. I was there for nine. so I got to meet third battalion, second battalion, first battalion. They killed 9,000 HVTs over the course of nine months while I was there, just that soft branch. And they were proud of it. They counted the numbers, and that was just them. That's not including Navy SEALs, Marines, the Polish, the Lithuanians, how many people we just used to drone on and stuff like that. It was a numbers game.

And that's why, like, to roll it back to your question, like, can we take on bricks? They're playing the long game. They're playing the game of sit, wait, and find out because they're too short-sighted to think about this shit. We can't build these countries up. We've lost the capability. All we think about are short-term gains. I mean, look at venture, it's basically venture capitalism. Just show me the growth. And most Americans don't have the ability to sit, wait, and build something.

And it's, it's their nature. I mean, I, I have this discussion with my wife all the time about like raising or having kids is like Americans just kicked their kids out of the house at 18. Meanwhile, every other second and third world country, the kid usually either lives in the house or they work at the family business and it builds up and up and up and like the generational wealth just increases, right? Like there was one guy who said the dad may own the the Euro shop, but then the son goes and makes a a dry cleaning place and then the dad dies and he owns a Euro shop and he owns a dry cleaning place and then he has some cousins come work and it grows and it grows and but in America. Oh, but it's

the American dream. I go get my own house and I start my own family where I kick my kid out at 18 and all you have to do is think of a few generations of that like wait this time. It's yeah. at 18 and all you have to do is think of a few generations that like wait this to exist. It's not unlimited supply there. And then you sit and you fucking wonder why we're looking around and we're like oh yeah none of us have generational wealth and none of us want to have kids because all they literally are holding according to our culture is a financial burden. Right. I mean you're not wrong. So what do you think, Alan? It feels like there's an economic response to what you're talking about, though, because that's the socio-scientific, but the socio-economical, I feel like at the end of the day, because

of the divergent nature of capitalism and the many options that you come to find out where the true success of the market teaches you of a situation that you get from capitalism as opposed to, you said earlier that they only have to be right ones. Well, yeah, but they have to be right and they have to guess right based on the way they run their systems. Yeah. And they have to do that in unison. Whereas, I mean, I don't know,

I feel like economically, I don't know that that's it. Cause at the end of the day, people just go to the bank and pull out all their bricks bucks and transfer it into whatever currency they want to, and then that undermines the whole thing. And then China, still, even with all of bricks, doesn't have a majority of the world's gold supply, or if they do, we would have the other plurality. Yeah, so we do. And I think that the other thing that I have a majority of the world's gold supply or if they do it, we would have the other plurality.

Yeah, we do. And I think that the other thing that I haven't mentioned and you brought it up is they'll that work us. What are we doing? We're about to do four day work weeks. We don't want manufacturing jobs. We don't want hard labor. I mean, the envy of every person is to work four hours from home as a project manager

and make $100,000, right? Like, there's no shame in it. Don't we all want that job? Just, you know, and, but the thing is, it's like they're the ones making the manufacturing. They're the ones pulling the 12-hour shifts at the fucking, you know, the Nike manufacturing joint down there in Mexico or wherever, you know, we're, what I think what they'll do is they'll cut us off. And then we're going to have to find people to run our factories because we're a nation of consumers, not producers. How many people do you know are going to take a sweatshop job at the new Mexico Nike outlet, right? Like they're just going to, they're just going to cut us off. They're going to be like, you know what, hey, screw, and Russia is amazing proof of that.

They figured out how to get what they need while being economically challenged, like basically imprisoned, and they're getting it, and they're figuring it out, and it's barely hurt them. I think that they will, and they'll manufacture for each other, and they'll work hard for each other, and they're gonna build it, build it, build it up,

and they're just gonna leave us alone. We're gonna have to figure out, and Peter Sienz mentioned this, he's like, we're gonna have to turn to Mexico. Yeah, but, I mean, if I have a response, you're saying, it's will, what you're saying, but all I'd say to everything you just said is they'll try. And I think the response is, we'll do that regionally,

and things will be more expensive and life will be harder. Not looking forward to it. I would, yeah, and most Americans won't be able to take it. And I'm going to buy bricks bucks because I don't believe that our economy will, will make it. But I mean, the only thing I would say to Peter Zayen saying, you know, we can, you know, bexco can be our manufacturing hub is man, if you told me that China had all of its manufacturing in Mongolia, and I had all of first special forces group to go to Mongolia and train up the Mongolian cartels and just wreck havoc on that manufacturing and the America, like they're gonna send so many Chinese advisors to the cartels and the fentanyl, the heroin, I mean North Korea is one of the biggest producers of heroin and all those drugs for

the black market and hacking if all of our shits in Mexico and they already have an armed guerrilla insurgency down there who just cares about one thing, money. Oh man, you can send anybody in there with a bag of fat cash and some AKs and just change the economic outlook of America overnight and it would be with a Mexican label, like Mexican cartel label. So when Peter Zayn talks about the last 70 years being the order like the sort of US led order of the of global interaction, it's almost like because of that ability, we've just built this up so damn high that we're like, oh yeah, we forgot how chaotic this is in nature that we've harnessed.

And once the interconnectedness comes out of it, it's such a topple. You got to do it. I mean, that's kind of, we made a post about that on the kit bag or I did because I watched Master and Commander and you read the book The Savage Wars. Yeah, because it was on like your fucking Master Commander's on. No, I got it on YouTube for, I have like all the sweet 90s films for going on flights. Like the Patriot master and commander Hanford the red October platoon red act. Oh man Sean Connery films platoon. Yeah, and so

Winners fuck the problem Quarantine But yeah, I mean that's kind of the thing right and don't, I've kind of been shitting on like the left, but I would say like there is a proper way to bring liberal morals and values into this. And there's a proper way to bring conservative values and morals into this. And they work hand in hand and tandem. But the one thing you can't forget is we didn't get here

by shaking babies and kissing hands. We got here by brutally murdering people who stepped near us and said, no, we're building the American Empire. Oh, you want bananas to be cost a lot for cheek. Oh, we're going to send the first marine division to squash you. Like, how it goes. People give Chiquita way too much credit for that. I'm like, I think you forgot about the CIA. Yeah. People look nice. Yeah. I mean, and it is. And what's really sad is that I would love for somebody to figure it the fuck out, that, you know, hey, maybe extreme action and extreme violence is required. But it's kind of hard to brief that. And the people who, you know, and we're not kind of, our military doesn't want that anymore. We're kind of banking on the fact that we think technology is

going to outward good soldiering, you know, why do we need good soldiers and hard soldiers that instead we have high mars, high mars will do kill a lot of bad Russians. We don't need good soldiers. I mean, my best friend's dad who I count as like a second father, he was a fantastic guy. He was in the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment as a crew chief and was awarded the bronze star for combat operations many times. He got in the army because they told him prison or the army and he was not a good dude. Wow, they got a choice. Went Marines, yeah.

That's who's there. I mean, and so we don't have that anymore. We don't have people willing to go and do that extreme violence to remind them that America is the number one empire. And I've set up on Alcona's Tuesdays podcast. I've seen what China is willing to do. They did go and operate in Afghanistan.

They are willing to do what it takes to be number one on the military front. So check that box, and then they've got the economic box, check that, and then diplomacy is, yeah, they'll figure it out. I will tell you what, not a check. I'll put an equal sign. They're figuring it out.

But diplomacy and information and intelligence, that's still up in the air. And so, it's not, diplomacy and information and intelligence, that's still up in the air. And so it's not look, if I had to bet, I wouldn't bet on us. That's the sad thing. And I don't say that because I'm some disgruntled vet who's like, this new generation, I say that because I hate bankers. We talk a lot about marketplaces resolving things. In a sense, there's a marketplace of persuasion at the end of that, ultimately, there's warfare.

You say you want to see a resolution of this. Seems like there's going to be a lot of friction in the next decade, at least. John won't do it. That's kind of like, if you've, why fight when you're already economically strangling the person? Oh, I'm sorry.

I actually wasn't seeing much difference in that. When you talk about sending advisors into Mexico, that's kind of what I'm referring to. Oh, no, that doesn't count. That doesn't, that's the best part about that job I was in. Like, that was like, it's like slapping somebody

in the back of the head, but still being like, on the other side of the room. And it's like, yeah, well, no, it doesn't matter. No, that's like, like a kid, just nah, uh, with me, like, like, fucking, I know it was you, like, no. There's no difference between like, sensitive activity operations and stuff like that and what you did to your older brother as a kid. It's just spitballs.

Harding your head. You have to face the balls. Come full circle. Doesn't count. I mean, I've got so many other things I want to ask you. I don't think we got time to talk about lasers, Besminov. I don't know. Your time to talk about lasers. Besminov, I don't know your current favorite. Here she is. I'll answer one more because you like is Obama gray?

Can you get gray? Is it gray or? Yeah, well, everybody says Obama gay. And I'm like, well, I think the real question is that man appeared gray to me while he was president. That's so my dad bet me a hundred bucks. He's like, Michelle Obama is going to run for president in 2024. I was like Really? I was like I'm taking you up on that bit, but I feel bad. I'll take that Well, it'd be like you took that bet and then you set up this whole sia up about

Big Mike and Obama is love letters to his gay sex I wish I'm gonna win that fuck, I don't fucking care. If I'm doing it any side up right now, it's to fight the Azerbaijanis and Instagram. That's another one. We definitely don't have time for that. Every two months after rewatched the same 30 minute YouTube video to wrap my head around what's going on with Armenia and Azerbaijan. I don't want to talk too much about it,

but we do have a guy, the Cognitive High. He's Armenian. Yeah, he's Armenian. Andrew, I love him. He was on, right? Yeah, he was on. And he explained it, but he was hung over. But he's in the Discord and he talks all the time

and I've gone through tons of YouTube and I understand it so much that you'll probably catch me in Glendale, California like you fucking Azerbaijany Fox like some dude got an argument with me in the comment section He's like Arctesh is as are by Johnny and I'm like then why is there a 1500 year old church there you're in but you're a Muslim you're gonna say that you left a church there for 1500 years Make that make sense. Like, ISIS conquered territory,

they didn't let shit live for three minutes. Oh, you're Buddhist? We're literally a religion of neutrality. ISIS, no, boom, the like, smash. Smash, smash. Yeah, smash, you know, that church, that church hasn't been there 1500. No, no, like, get the fuck out of here like I'm

Yeah, this is shitty side But no, I was gonna explain real quick So best men off the guy who? It's like perestroika not perestroika. Yeah, I don't I don't buy him. I think I you know I don't know nothing about it and you do so I want to okay Yeah, so you're too compartmentalized. Why would he it claimed to know all that? I feel like he's like I can get on TV. I'm American that look at me. Yeah, so like there's that's the guy who believes in like Information warfare right the guy who like breaks it down and says like we're changing you

Slowly and articulate. Yeah, so interview on 1983. Yeah, and so he's dead on. You, he's definitely in the... I know he's right, I'm saying he can't be talking about an actual program. Nobody would tell one person all of that. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. So like, that's kind of the thing, right? Like, I'm where I was in the department of things.

It's like, I wasn't doing any of the cool guy's spy shit. I helped with it. So like I'm my fingers are like all in like the the CIA agent who gets on like the big he's like a half black He's got like long black black hair and a beard and he's been on the Sean Ryan show He's like a legit operative. So he he knows a ton of stuff. I was behind that. Like I was way up and back in the bleachers, but I could see everything that was going. And so he. So you're saying, President Oph doesn't have to have been briefed on all of it. No, he can say the whole thing and I can tell that's what's happened.

Yeah, he knows what's going on to the left and right. Kind of what's up behind him. What's so definitively as if he knows it like it was taught to him. That's the thing where I just kind of, I mean, what's different than what we presumed from what he says. So the thing is, is like, when he's talking about that, it's like if I were to hand you like the platoon level guide to how to run an infantry platoon, you'd be like, what have to shit doesn't make sense.

You had it to a guy like me, I can pick it up and I can understand. Same thing with like me so sell, siop, civil affairs, and special forces. I'm working there. I know what's going on in the ballpark. You hand me a manual, I pick it up, I read it. I'm like, oh, so there, there, that guy's this,

this, this, this, this. So he knows. He knows what he's talking about. And he definitely understands. So like if you were to hand him a KGB, like, hey, we found this when the Berlin Wall fell in Poland. What's this saying? He's like, oh, yeah, shit, that was Trevor.

That's what Trevor was working on. Like, hey, Trevor and he's like, shut up bitch. Like, oh, like, and so I'm sure he 100% knows. And it's one of those things, like, the only people who are compartmentalized and the guys that make me giggle a shit ton is there's this one American who was turned spy for the USSR and he's like Putin's not a real spy.

I was the real spy. I was here in America. Like, dude, you were a puppet. So like when you think about these operations and you do these things, you never send the agents into the country unless something big is happening or you're trying to set up rings. The guys who do shit, puppets, puppets on a string, like, oh, we need you to blow up this dam or we need you to blow up this power station or something.

Something expendable, something expendable. Or here's $50 set fire to California and Italy or whatever. Puppets on a string. Or for plausible deniability too. Like, so that you... Well, if he gets captured, who gives a fuck like you it's an American dying spying on Americans yeah like they don't want to talk about that yeah yeah and so you I can't talk

about it much but it gets weird and it gets very unethical quick because it's like how much like how much how much are you are you willing to bring women and children into much are you willing to bring women and children into this? Are you willing to bring people in? Like so the conversation gets there I'm sure. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Shivers down the spot man bro I was about to say the worst one is are you willing to get people who are going to get paid for something but it's actually for something else, and they don't even know what they're doing.

Yeah. Yeah, and so, can't wait for that one to get declassified because that was a very uncomfortable, let me put it this way. I was a first lieutenant and I was livid and I got kicked out of that meeting. So what I would say is is it's one of those things that like when he talks, it's like, dude,

you were a nobody, you were a paste up. And like Putin, what Putin did. That oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, and so Putin, what he did is like, you have that siop, sorry, like you have Bezmanov in the back playing, because what you're trying to do is like, first you do the siops, right?

You're playing, and it's more fun now because we have the internet, and I say more fun, it's easier to internet, right? You just tweet, you do this, that guy like this, what's that guy doing? I says, he have a cousin we can talk to. Oh, he likes us and he's a friend of a friend. And like, you go through the cousin

and you get to that guy, because he's actually where we need to be. And so the siops are pinging like that. Like think about it like echolocation. And then somebody pings back and they're like, yeah, fuck yeah, down with America. And you're like, hey, that guy right there. And then you kind of weasel your way in to him

through people that you can kind of get to. And then you meet him in a discrete location that isn't that country. And then you train him up and you give him money and you give him weapons and you give him what he needs. And it's usually like one or two tasks. And if it's a big thing like we're trying to take something down, they'll know other people. But for instance, let's say we're trying to start fires all over the world because we're in a war with Ukraine. And we need the economy to blow up. We send

out the parastorica, we send out the information warfare, we all these people that we've been working on for 30 years, we've been basically simmering the stew, right? Trying to make everybody believe that capitalism is bad and that all these things are bad and that we're not that bad, we're Russian, but we're not that bad.

And then we send out an echolocation and we'll get a lot more. We'll pull them out of the wood line. And then what we do is we go, okay, you're in Chile. Let's meet in Argentina. There's a big soccer game there. That's going to be your cover story. Here's, I'm going to get, when you get there, I'll give you $5,000 cash. It's going to pay for the expenses and we're going to talk. And then let's just talk. And then we, now you've got a girlfriend in Argentina, right? Because we hired a hooker. And so you keep going back to Argentina, but really what you're doing is you're hanging

out in the wood line and you're learning how to start fires and you're learning about pipe bombs and you're learning about all these things. And then we go, okay, Bill, you're good to go. This is a Swiss bank account. This is your bank account. Here's $10,000 cash. Here's another $15,000 cash that you need to hold on to for when the time comes. And then I don't know 2022 happens. And you go, okay, hey, remember that 15 grand? Use it. Oh, okay, you're

good. Once you're completed with your tasks, A, B, C, and D, like these countries forests on fire, there'll be $150 thousand dollars cash in your Swiss bank account Just send pictures via WhatsApp once you're done leave that fucking country. Don't ever talk to me again and You burn that burner phone and then he does his little mission and then he gets a hundred and fifty thousand dollars cash And he disappears and if he gets caught he's a Chilean and Chile who was starting fires and It does oh, no, we lost that that guy who gives a fuck right and so it once again you get kind of call us to these things And so that guy who said Putin doesn't do shit

He was one of the guy the fire starters and Putin on the other hand he was a defensive agent with the stasi He was trying to prevent that shit He was looking for the guys that we were trying to echo locate. And so when he, if you read his book, he had this huge thing of folders on people that he had to burn. I'm willing to bet my house that all it was was information

on your mom, information on your dad, information on, he probably knew everybody, everything, hunting for people who had been peaked And so it kind of works in tandem because you have intel and intelligence and siops in the back Pinging and looking and and and basically farming to pull people out of the woodline and then all of a sudden you find a guy from Michigan And he's like I love guns and I hate my governor and you're like And he's like, I love guns and I hate my governor and you're like, yeah. And then they get, and then they get, yeah, but who, what did you really lose at the end of the day? If you're doing fishing scams and you're collecting Bitcoin and you, like, let's say

you steal $50,000 from bank accounts and grandmas and you have an operations fund of $50,000 and you hand those 12 guys $50,000 to go by ARs and all that shit. All you did was lose man hours. You didn't lose 12,000. I didn't put that in. Yeah, that's salary. Fuck it.

It wasn't this project, it was another one. Yeah, and so it's so much, and I hate to say this, but it's the callous in me. It's so much fun. Because you do that and you're just like, man, people will flip on a dot. And you just, and B.A. And on that podcast, we talked about that. And that's what he was saying is like, you need to have those core values. Like, I will never betray America. I will never beat my wife or do these things. And then you don't get geo-located, you don't get picked up and recruited. But like, you see it, you see it all, and it's really hard. You're going back to that 60 or 70% of people, right?

Yeah, oh yeah. There's that. Yeah, yeah. They're the worst. You could probably over the course of like six months of like pulling that in and like a little bit of money here and there You can get them to do some deal. I'm sure it like Well, I don't know about you, but I'm I'm a hit and I'm hitting my bladders It's a lot of fun though man. I'm looking at my list of things we did not get to. I know for sure we

can't we don't have time to talk about the flawed logic of trying to starve out Crimea. How come nobody thought of that before? I don't think we have time for that. There's going to try to starve out Crimea. They just have to put that we're not doing it it we don't have time for that. I like that come on. The most hilarious people. Like here's a thought nobody had before. Yeah, all the way as people tried to go after Crimea before those were all dumb. I've got the real one. I also know how to beat roulette like.

I love how I literally just got done on this tangent of like ethical fucking like borderline spy agency awful things and you're just like fucking starve 2.5 million people fuck it Medieval siege Cry me in 2014 it's fucked them like I Who hurt you who hurt you as a child? Listening to you for the last couple hours. I came in here a doe like Cyrup on dust and summer was amazing. It's fall down. Oh my god You're gonna you're gonna get done with this and everybody's gonna be talking to you like hey how pissed are you at

Republicans or liberals and you're gonna be like wait Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait into this, because I'll say this on it, but like my favorite thing to do when I get in a discussion with somebody who's either liberal or conservative, go find some pictures of them, whether it's like, cause you though usually have a Facebook link to it, and it's usually the worst person. It's either the fat, neck, beard conservative,

like Andrew takes the best, or it's like the skinny liberal, who's like, you just, you need to cry a little is just like Anybody you ever get in an internet argument with just go see a picture of them and just be like Yeah, I wouldn't talk to you if you paid me like right Yeah, I got all my urge to respond to your like lures are just now to respond to your like, lures are just now. Just right off a class. Yeah.

Yeah. Guys, I don't want to keep you any longer. It's been two and a half hours. I really appreciate you. It's been fun. It's been fun, man. Yeah, man. I feel like if it weren't for the sake of time

eventually catching up with me and me, you know, turning into a pumpkin, I don't want to. The same thing with Alan every show. I'm like, I don't want to stop talking to you. I have a note. I'm going to be in this. But yeah, so non-taken podcast, I got like, I don't want to stop talking to you. I have a note why would we end this. But, yeah, so, non-taken podcast, I got some people I need to throw your way and then anything else

you guys want to shout out? Alan, you got an idea. Oh, we have, no. Not yet. Yeah, not yet, not yet. We're not ready for that. We're working on moving into having maybe a subscriber worthy thing to offer. Once we have that straightened out, we'll have that to announce.

But I guess if you like what we're doing, it's free to listen to us. I think it's fun. Find us anywhere you find this. Find us there too. On Instagram, obviously, don't take in podcasts. Yeah, that's where I'm mostly. We exist on other socials, but like Instagram's where I'm at. Yeah.

I swear to God, if you take my thing and start hosting video game nights and start talking with I'm driving the Nashville and I will beat you. Look, I'm like, I'm just doing it with you. I'll just bring some people there with me, man. That's what it's about. There you go. Yeah. All right, guys, I appreciate it. Thanks people there with me man. That's what it's about. There you go

All right guys, I appreciate it. Thanks, Cody. Thanks guys. Cheers man Try to save