Kitbag Conversations - Kitbag Conversations Episode 25: How to War

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

In this Episode Cody breaks down how to war and basic tactics of invasions and how Russian defense works in modern warfare as well as explaining how America failed Ukraine.

Music I'm a little bit of a little all of my men to be in hell Lying in the mud, I'm making the fall of the world Hey guys, what's up? So for this episode, it's just me again. Lately I've had to find myself explaining a lot of things and talking to other people about our stance on Ukraine, what's going on, disruption zones, it's just everything. And so I thought it would be a good time to like, sit down, go over some stuff,

and not only explain like how wars are fought and the doctrine that goes into things, but all the parts that come together, right? A big thing that I've seen lately is we have this tendency, especially as veterans and civilians that do training and when it comes to support in Ukraine, to talk about gear, equipment, what's happening, not the tactics that are being used. So like when I say what's happening, like oh, it's a counteroffensive.

Oh, they're penetrating deep within the lines. Or what does that mean? Like there's a big difference between going through a Russian area defense with no maneuver element to counter attack and conducting what is essentially a blitzkrieg and what is Russian doctrine where they try to turn left and right to defeat the line and that's what we're seeing right now in the counteroffensive, right?

We're seeing American doctrine implemented by Ukrainian field grades which is not going to go well, right? Like these guys were trained in the Russian School of Thought, they were trained to think like Soviets, and there's nothing wrong with that, right? Like you can fight in many different ways. I say this all the time in the Discord, and I've said it on the podcast, but war is a martial art, right? You don't...

There is no be all. The American doctrine, which we've discussed in previous episodes, is just cut up and butchered German doctrine from World War II, right? And it was developed over a long period of time by the Germans, and we took it, absorbed it, created our own methods and systems and it works for us. And that's not the Russian system. And so it's very hard for me to sit there in the direct messages on the Instagram, the Discord and all these places and try to explain what is essentially a month of doctrine. Now, if you're really interested in getting into this stuff, I highly recommend and I'm just going to double check, it's TC7-100, okay? That is opposing force tactics, yeah. TC7-100.2,

it is literally the bread and butter of MI officers. For Intel officers in the army at least, we spend six months, we get into this book and we talk about the WIG, which is the weapons and equipment guide. We have to know all the enemy systems and what they do, what kind of calibers they take, how the distance, the max range, the minimum range, and then you take those systems, you learn those systems, you learn about what they look like on a map, right? Like NATO symbology. And then you put it into the doctrine piece, which is your TC7-100.2. This is free. You can go online, go on Google.mil, and you can get it, right? You can download it into a PDF, or if you're in the military,

you can actually request it to be printed and given a copy. If you're S2, your Intel officers don't have this, they're, they're not thinking, right? And I tell people all the time, if this is the stuff you're into, and like if you want to learn more about it, it, join the army, become an intelligence professional, go ahead. But I mean, the first six months is basically just getting you to understand Russian, Chinese, and Iranian basic doctrine. And then you go to the forest and you learn tips, tricks, you learn some tactics. Maybe you're lucky, you get a slide of Ranger School, you learn how to actually be a very good soldier. And then you add that into your

mess. But ultimately, the profession of an MI officer or an MI analyst is to think and plan like the enemy and become an expert so that when you do MDMP, which is the military decision making process, you conduct IPB, which is the intelligence preparation of the battlefield, and you play the enemy. You sit there, the S2 versus the S3, and you play a war game against the operations officer. And so you're not playing against another lieutenant or a junior, you're playing against a major and a lieutenant colonel and all their staff. And you are the enemy commander. You plan and fight as a Russian motorized battalion commander. And you play the S3 like this is what the enemy would do based on their tactics, based on their principles, based on TC7-100.2, which is literally just a translated version of the Russian manuals. And then you read other books as well, and you go through Chechny and the Chechen Wars,

you go through Afghanistan, you go through all these things, and you discover more tactics, you learn more of their TTPs, which is their tactics, techniques, and procedures. discover more tactics, you learn more of their TTPs, which is their tactics, techniques, and procedures. And so it's, like I said, it's a martial art, right? You learn how the Russians fight, you learn how America fights, you adopt that doctrine, Ukrainians fight differently than Russians. You learn that Chechens don't fight the same way as the Taliban. You learn that the Taliban don't fight the same way as Al-Qaeda.

You learn that Sa that solder cities completely different than Baghdad, right? Or different areas of Baghdad. And so I say this to say like, I don't know like a disclaimer, like I don't know everything, right? And if you're listening to other podcasts and you're listening to other intel professionals

talk about these things, great. On, honest to God, awesome. But the biggest problem I have with other people conducting themselves in the O. Great. On, on, on us the God awesome. But the biggest problem I have with other people conducting themselves in the O sin community and analysts is that if they're sitting there and they're telling you like, this is what's happening. They don't know that. The only people that really know what's going on are like five dudes at the CIA, the headquarters and Langley, the president and Eurocom, soft and Intel suite. Like that's it.

Like they're the ones who actually know how many Ukrainians are dead. They're the ones who know how many actual Russians are dead. Like all the numbers are, you know, if I knew, like I've said before in the past, all these numbers, if I knew the actual numbers, I could tell you who's gonna win within five minutes. And if I add up for sleigh out that was accurate, I could probably tell you then two with numbers.

But at the end of the day, it's just we're not gonna go into too much of the weeds of that portion, like an assessment. I'm telling you, and basically, how you fight a war, how America, we've already gone over like how America became into a doctrine, but how you fight a war, what? What the Russians do what we do and how they all kind of go about and this is a very basic course this is a very basic Watered-down system. I've worked in both fields of this so there's gonna be two separate parts There's going to be the insurgent buildup and will grow to war, and then there's going

to be the conventional aspect, right? And so I've done both of these, I've worked in both these programs, right? And so like, this is campaign warfare, right? We've talked about this in the past with dime, you know, diplomacy, intelligence, information, military, and economic, right? And this is the military arm. So when you talk about how to make a campaign, this is the M part, the military part, you know, everybody else has a part to play. The military can dip into the diplomatic, the information and the economic. Like if you look at the operations room on YouTube, they have a great system where he breaks down

how we invaded Iraq in 2001, and we destroyed key infrastructure and we destroyed several things like radio communication towers and stuff like that. And so this is purely focused on the end part. Now, what's the bottom line up front? like why should you care if you're a civilian if you're your average person? What's the takeaway the takeaway is this you're not gonna go to a Tim Kennedy or a

Weekend course, and I mean these guys will tell you to but you're not going to go to these courses and fight learn to fight you're not going to go to a shooting school or a class and learn the art of warfare and how to fight and conduct conduct yourself in combat and stuff like that like this takes years right and we're gonna break it down we're gonna go through it all and if you if you're on the patreon I gave this class a while ago to go through it all. And if you're on the Patreon, I gave this class a while ago to a staff sergeant in the US Army who wanted it. And hopefully I do, I got more time here and I can break it down a little better. But at the end of the day, you can't do a one-day course. You can't join the army for four and a half years and master all of this, right? Like it's a lifelong commitment. Like we talked about on episode 10, with chief military age males or military age females, you're gonna fight, right?

And I think that that's kind of where our discord and the Patreon is going. We play war games, we lift weights, we talk about shooting, we got a shooting competition coming up and this is a Patreon blog, right? Like that's what we do over there. It's like you spend $10. You're gonna learn how to play war game.

You're gonna learn about ADA. You're gonna learn about tanks. You're gonna learn about infantry. You're gonna learn about screening operations, deep penetration, gigity. And you're gonna do all those things. And then at the same time, we're gonna talk about fitness. We're gonna talk about life.

We're gonna talk about shooting. I mean, we are paying me and Matt are using Patreon funds to pay for some of the guys to go to a shooting competition so that we can develop the group and come back with like lessons learned. And next year we'll do it again. And hopefully if we get the money for KitCon 2024, we have some super guys in the discord that we'd love to have come out, give some classes, maybe some, you know, long range sniper courses, we have some CQB we could do, but at the end of the day, like it's not one day, right?

Like it's a commitment to learning all this shit. And you're never gonna learn at all. And anybody who says they know it all or that they're an expert, just walk away. Like I don't even know, right? So here we go. All right, how to invade a country, how to fight? And so first things first is we break this down

into seven different zones, right? And so the first zone is the zone that I was talking about, that special operations part, the first three zones. They're categorized by Mao's definitions. You can go online and you can type into Google the seven phases of UW, all right? And so there, that's what Green Berets do, that's what Special Forces does and we can get into what each component, like if you're a civilian, you may not think Green Berets

or Special Forces, like you're like, oh, New Seals, right? It's like, no, they're different. And so when we talk about that soft zone, we're talking about the first three steps of a military campaign essentially. And those three steps are three areas that are seven steps. So I was saying earlier, like Mal, right? Mal calls this the clandestine zone, the auxiliary zone, and the guerrilla zone. The clandestine zone is the first one, right? And for those that are going to go home or

they're by a computer or by their phone or whatever, like I said, type in the seven phases of unconventional warfare. It should pop up with a so-called article, and it's going to show you the first step is steady state, right? Sorry, not the first step. It's the first portion and this is like ground zero, right? Like this is what is the country look like normally? And so this is defined as the status quo between nations as established and maintained by the instruments of national power regional and international relations. This state establishes the conditional norm or default setting, which left unchanged will predictably continue in the future. This is the steady state. This is where they are. This is where they're going to be. They're going to keep going like this. If we talk about like intelligence preparation of the battlefield, it's define the environment, define the AO, right? Step one, what is, where are we? Where are we going?

What's happening? What's it look like? Like, let's say we're going to invade Armenia for a day, right? Like, what is Armenia look like? What's its GDP? Who's the key performers? Who's actually in charge? Is it the president or is it the vice president?

I mean, that's a real thing. I mean, some would argue that in the United States, like, is who's actually in charge? Is it the president or is it the vice president? I mean, that's a real thing. I mean, some would argue that in the United States, like, is Joe Biden really in charge, right? If we wanted to invade us as an example too, like, is that guy really in charge or is it BlackRock who owns like 80% of the S&P 500? So it's like, established those key players, diplomatic information, military, and economic.

You know, you don't need to be pigeonholed and think about this like that. So like when they were doing Ukraine, the first thing they did, and you can go and type it in. The Spetsnaz tried to kill Zelensky. They knew that he was going to be one of the centers of gravity for diplomacy. They're like, okay, he's got to go. Like, he's going to hold this country together. And so that was one of the things that they established in the steady state. Like, look, it's a linsky. He's good. Like he's a good, I don't want to say, sigh out, but he's a master marketer, right? Over the past

the two years, he's essentially built Ukraine into an economic powerhouse where donations are, I mean, he's a master of the media, right? And so they do that. That's why they were trying to eliminate him in the beginning. And so that's what steady state is. And you need to establish that. And so phase one is preparation, right? So this is resistance and external sponsors conduct psychological preparation to unify population against established government or occupying power and

prepare population to accept US support. So I've got a chart here if you go on the I might you know what I'll try to put this on the Patreon. You can check it out. It's a really nice chart that we used to make for people coming into where I used to work in special forces and explaining like, look, this is what we do here. We work in clandestine, auxiliary, and gorilla zones. And so the first step is always, and it's going to stay that way, is siops. You need to prepare them and recruit them. This is not just done by US Special Force or US soft US Special Operations Forces, not Special Forces, sorry, but this is not just done by US Special Forces or US Soft US Special Operations Forces, not Special Forces

I'm sorry, but this is not always done by them right like Siaaps can be conducted by the CIA the NSA like they're gonna pull resources, you know Do we have economic powerhouse people that we can infiltrate and conduct Siaaps on like if I was gonna invade America right like who and it doesn't need to be one party or the other. And that's where people get messed up, right? Like especially liberals and Democrats is, sorry, like everybody, any political party, just lost my, trying to thought there,

but anybody can do it. That's what I was thinking, sorry. Liberals and Democrats. Like when they saw Russia supporting Trump, they're like, oh, they're trying to get Trump elected. They're trying to get Trump elected. Like, no, if you read the book, three dangerous men, they were just adding fuel to the fire. They didn't care if Trump got elected or not. What they were trying to do was stoke the flames, right? They're trying to poke it the bear and see what comes out of it. You know, at the end of the day, January 6th, Love It, hated, it was an insurrection, it was a coup,

whatever. At the end of the day, Russia got a bunch of people to storm the capital with misinformation, with memes and Twitter, and they never stepped foot on solid ground in the United States. They were just tweeting and moving and doing stuff. And so that's what step one is. We're trying to, and I mentioned this on the non-taken podcast in that line of work when you do clandestine operations, we're trying to pull people out of the woods. Think about it like a hunting call, like a little like

crazy call to see if we can get communists or we can get you know fascists to come out of the woodline and see who's going to come and play. Like I've mentioned this before like I think I have it here was a quote from a guy that I worked with, right? Like I don't want boy scouts, I want veterans, I want gang leaders, criminals, and murderers, right? Like this is a vetting process. Like if you imagine there was that West Point guy who had a Che Guevara shirt on, he was just about to be an officer and he was a veteran and he was a communist, right? We can talk about the militias that get into the national parks, the militias in Michigan that try to abduct a governor, right? That's a siop.

You don't really need to get in there or give them money. You just kind of need to poke the flames and get them started, right? And so essentially what we're doing here is we're vetting people. We're looking for who is gonna give us the best bang for the buck, right? Like we're Americans and people. We're looking for who is going to give us the best bang for the buck,

right? Like we're Americans and we want to get in there and we want to take down, let's say, random country X, right? And we've got like four different groups we can work with here. You know, we've got an ethnic minority who's being oppressed. We've got, I mean, let's use America as another example. I don't want to use other countries because then everybody will get freaked out and be like, you were planning this and it's like, nah, you know, Black Lives Matter, an ethnic minority that's oppressed, right? I've got gangs as well, right?

You don't need to be an ethnic minority, hell's angels, right? They're a gang, they're full of violence, they've got their own money. And we're just kind of going through the list here and we're like, okay, who's going to do the work for us? Who's going to do these things? And usually the Clandestine Zone is singletons, right? We're not trying, you know, like people, as I said on the non-typing, taking podcasts, people think that spies go into countries and do like cool guy hops. Really what they do is they recruit people there to do those things for them. So if they get caught, it's those guys that take the blame. Like at the end of the day,

if a bunch of hell's angels who were, you know, committing terror stacks because they were gonna get paid by the Russians, get captured. Who cares is the Russians, right? Like, oh, you know, and that's why we say, in soft, don't fall in love with the partner force. A good example of that is Kurdistan. So many special operations and special forces guys love the Kurds.

And it's like, look man, we're here for a good time, not a long time. Like there are a tool, they're the partner force. We're using them to kill ISIS, right? Like, don't fall in there. And so the siops are stoking in the flames, getting people ready. And so phase two, which is still in the clandestine zone, right? Um, is initial contact, right? So I've already kind of bleed it into that, right? So we've done the siops, we've made the contact. We're talking to these bad groups of people. And it says the United States government agencies coordinate with allied government in exile or

Other people or resistance leadership for desired US support. So maybe there's a government in exile. Maybe there's not maybe there's the gangs and stuff And so it's this is literally what special forces does is all of these things that we're talking about So the first two steps phase one one, preparation phase two, initial contact are done by single individual dudes, right? Like we don't want to risk too many guys making contact with these people talking with them. And siops is working to establish the group and find others. And like I said, you can go on, uh, this is all public knowledge. You can go in there and you can check this out, the

Malsey Dung's, Klein Destin Zone, Auxiliary Zone, Gorilla Zone. All right, and so the next step, like we were saying, is the Auxiliary Zone. And so this is where Special Forces starts coming in. All right, a lot of people like to think that what greenberries do is they go into other countries, kick indoors in the middle of the night, shoot people in the face. Like, yeah, they can. They're not the best at it.

That's Ranger Battalion. You know, we're the Navy SEALs who do direct action. DA is, we call it. And so, where special forces shine is force multipliers. And this is where the auxiliary comes in. All right, we have our little group of guys. We have our dudes that we want to work with. And we're like, okay, now we need to start comes in. All right, we have our little group of guys. We have our dudes that we want to work with. And we're like, OK, now we need to start training them.

All right, and so hold on one second. And so what's happening here is we've vetted them. We know they're good. We're going to start sending in dudes. Now, a good example of this is like how in Lowsing Cambodia, the Viet Cong were behind those borders, right? They're in Lowsing Cambodia, not in Vietnam, and they're training, and they're working, and they're doing all these things, and then they go into Vietnam, right?

A good example of this is also like Russian Spetsnaz does this as well. So they don't train the DNR and the Luhans people, like the LPR, I think it is. They don't train those guys there in Ukraine. That's extremely dangerous. Think about all those Ukrainian camps that are like, oh, we're former soft guys and we're here in Ukraine and we're training them like, that's dangerous as hell. Like, you're just asking to get a J-Dam.

You're asking for a Hellfire missile to get sent up your ass. And so the auxiliary zone, and I can talk about this a little more because the clandestine auxiliary and gorilla zones kind of like fade in and out in certain things because they also work in insurgency stuff. But the auxiliary zone isn't across the border, but it can be.

Think about like risk management is what we're doing here, right? And the whole time the auxiliary zone risk management is what we're doing here, right? And the whole time the auxiliary zone is going on, we're testing it, right? Like that's what we want to do is we want to test the auxiliary zone. We want to push these guys and don't be afraid to back out here, right? Like you're not committed here. Like this is the partner force, right? Like they're a tool. they're not committed. And so when you talk about this, we can talk about, you know, it's the phase three infiltration. SF team infiltrates operational area, establishes communications with its base and context resistance organization phase four, that's phase three, phase four organization.

SF team organizes trades and equips resistance cadre, emphasis on developing infrastructure, right? Like we're developing the bones and like I was saying, don't be afraid to back out here is what's going on. You know, we're testing them, thinking like starting up to pick up steam, like groups of three to six. These guys can also act as like a national guard force, right? And so we're keeping mine. We're still trying to invade the country. And Ukraine's a great example

of this. And I know we have Ukrainian listeners, I've seen the stats, and it's this may suck to hear, but it's like 2013 2014, this is this is what was happening, right? Like they were already there, they were already mulling, looking around, looking for Russian nationalists, like, oh Ukraine is Russia, Crimea is Russia, and like they're like, okay, yeah, you, you'll do, you'll work, come here, let's go trade in Russia, or Belarus, right? Which is another thing. Belarus is great for that for Russia. Like, you can go to this middle country and train in Belarus and not be having a Russian stamp on your passport

So if Russia is doing something in Africa or the Middle East, they won't send them to Russia to get trained They'll go to Belarus and it's kind of like oh, I've got family there Oh, I got a job there and I've worked there a little bit and so it doesn't raise suspicion You know like 20 dudes in Niger coming back with Russian passport stamps, like all looking buff and mean and carrying gun cases. It's like, where the fuck you been, right? And so it's it's a good thing, like I was saying, with the auxiliary zone is to leave it somewhere that it doesn't raise suspicion, right? Like if you're if you're in Vietnam in the 1970s and 70s,

like maybe you shouldn't tell them, like, oh, it comes from Laos. It's like, motherfucker, I know your vehicle. And so that's the auxiliary zone. Next up is the Gorilla Zone. And this is a full-fledged camp, right? Like this is where you get the full 12-man ODA operational attachment alpha, you know,

ground branches leading entire, you know, battalions of dudes down a hill, 12 strong style. And so, this is phase 5 and 6. And so, the SF team assists Cadre with expansion into an effective resistance organization, limited combat operations may be conducted, but emphasis for mains on development. So once you kind of get out of the auxiliary zone is when you start going hot, right? You're still developing them, yeah. But I mean, you've still got 12 guys on the ground, and I think it's something like 12 guys can make a battalion, right? So it's called force multiplication for a reason. A company is, I think, six ODAs.

So the six go in and then that's six battalions right there, which makes up a brigade and then, you know, about division sometimes. And this is all in the backyard, right? Like we haven't committed any forces yet. And if you're in Ukraine, I'm sorry. Like this is probably bringing up bad memories, but this is what happened with the DNR, the DPR and all these small breakoff nations, or if you're in Moldova as well, right? Like the idea of being like, and think about where we started,

now that we're here, right? We started with memes and dreams. This started very subtle. We were pulled, we pulled them out of the woods. We're sitting there and we're just like, okay, you, you're good, you'll kill for me. You, not so much. You need to go away. Like, you're just crazy. Like, you, you, you're a big moneymaker. I like you. And like, we just kind of pick and choose the guys we want. And then we put it all together. And so when that like we're still in the special operations area, we're still there and it's developing and we're using their own people against that. Right. Like and that's the crazy thing is like if we do lose guys, what did I just say? Like six teams of 12. That's seven. Make

sure my mask correct because I've got all all these things up in front of me. But that's only like what 72 dudes, yeah. And so 72, yeah. And so that's not even a handful of guys. We've already put like six battalions worth a fanfied tree down on the field. That's great. And we've supplied them with guns

or they have their own guns or they're making their own money and then they bought their own guns. And we they're making their own money And then they bought their own guns and we're just they're training them right and so That's what happened in eastern Ukraine in 2014 and then we're gonna get into the next part where we go kinetic Right and that starts with the Marines and the airborne forces seizing key to reign such as ports and air Airports, but like I said just thinking about this, right? Like if maybe you're one of those people that is like, oh, the world's gonna do a reset,

the great reset and all the liberals or the Republicans are taking over. Like, I don't wanna say they're right, but yeah, they're kinda right. Like, things start with a meme and it starts with where you're talking. Like, like Matt said, then what? Then what, right? Like, I've thought about this several times and both sides really too, right?

Like, what do you do with far right extremist militias who are training all the time? What do you do with LGBTQ plus groups that have had enough and they've got guns and they're walking around. And I'm not saying that's bad, what I'm saying is that's a potential, that's perfect. That's what we need right there. If you're Russia or you're China, it's like, yeah, let's just send them money and get this ball going.

Like they'll do the work for us, they'll die and kill each other. And so, and we've talked about this with BA adventures, right? Like, how do you stop that? Because this doesn't just stop it, like, you know, yeah, we won the culture war, right? Like, and we're starting to learn that now as a society. Like, things can get out of hand with canceling and, you know, there's physical violence and antifa burning places down.

Black lives matter as well, burning entire cities down. And Christian fundamentalists are some of the most kinetic extremist group in the United States, fighting and blowing up people all over play and parenthood and committing acts of anti-semitism. And so it's like, it's pur, it's speaking from a soft point of view on how to weaken a nation, it's perfect. But the biggest problem is we as Americans are surrounded by two oceans.

We have two borders that you have to cross through, right? Canada and Mexico, they're pretty tight. But they, they're just, it's just to ask it for it, right? If you actually sit down and think about this. And so that's what happened with Ukraine. And we're going to get into that bit. And this is like the 2014 wrapped up. And this is where, that's my view on it, right?

Like Putin said several times, he wanted a buffer. He wanted that area to remain neutral and he wanted it to keep a buffer between him and Neo. Also, historically speaking, hang on a second. That's where the worst battles ever occurred, right? Crimea, Kursk, Belarus, Lithuania, Estonia, up near Leningrad. Like, those are just slaughterhouses of an area to be had if a fight were to break out between NATO and Russia. And so this plan that Putin's had for some time,

where he said that he's like, I need a border, I need a buffer, Ukraine needs to stay neutral, Ukraine needs to stay neutral. And then it didn't go neutral. And so what he did is he sees the eastern part of Ukraine and Crimea, which is by the way filled with oil. So we can go down that economic rabbit hole if you want, but he got his buffer.

But at the same time, he completed the first three stages of warfare. He's already in there. He's got his foot in the door. He's got a kickoff platform to go from. And he's completed the six stages. Now the seventh stage, and we've talked about this on the podcast is UW forces, revert to national control, shifting to regular forces or demobilizing. Like at the end of the day, like we talk about like, okay, if you crane wins, everybody has to put down their guns.

You know, you train all these guerrilla forces up as green berets. Now you got to tell them to put their guns down and that's the part where we fucking suck it at, right? That's what everybody wants to do that is tell you know Who's gonna sit there and tell as of the LGBTQ? Plus veteran who's a saw also soft and a spokesperson for Ukraine. She's got to put down her gun As of has to put down all their guns because technically they're just a national guard force that was mobilized to fight the Russians Once the Russians are gone somebody has to literally down all their guns because technically they're just a national guard force that was mobilized to fight the Russians. Once the Russians are gone, somebody has to literally go tell asov, yo, you guys gonna put your guns down.

They're probably not gonna do it. The Belarusians, the free Russian army, how many other breakaway groups have emerged since then. And so like I said, we've gone through the first three steps, or the first three steps of warfare, which is the Clendestine Zone, the auxiliary zone, the guerrilla zone, which is the first seven stages of UW. We've committed very little forces, just special operations forces. And now we're going to do the kickoff. Right now, we have infiltrated the mines. We have armed resistance groups running around, setting the conditions, setting those things. And I mean, if you watch Band of Brothers Operation Market Garden, the paratroopers land in the Netherlands and they link up with the Dutch resisted, that's what's about to happen.

Like Marines and airborne forces are about to infiltrate land on key terrain. And that is when we go from the destruction or sorry, the guerrilla zone and UW ends is the day, we call it day zero in the army, right? Like the first three hours, like zero, 300 or whatever, it's like day zero or D day, which is just the day of the operation starting is airborne and marine assault. First troops in, right? You got to seize those airports, start getting main forces in, start landing big old C-130s

and you know, the big Air Force craft and start pushing in supplies to them. You got to start beach landings and just that first sucker punch right as the day that we enter the disruption zone. Now once again these seven stages I'll put them, I'll put this all up on the Patreon, I'll make it free. The disruption zone, the battle zone, the support zone, and the civilian zone. These are just pieces of Russian, uh, TC7-100.2 that I, I'm using the disruption zone, battle zone, support zone. The civilian zone is something that I, I'm describing that we as Americans bring to the table, which is all those fat contractors.

You see walking around eating pizza hut. And so this is where the disruption zone is what we're seeing on the defensive side because remember warfare can be offensive or defensive. So this is what we're seeing right now absolutely slaughtering Ukrainians right now. And I can get into that and why things aren't working here. But the disruptions out is mainly made up of scouts, forward observers, some blocking positions and funneling operations happen on the defensive, right? Like we're screening, we're looking at,

and I'll get into that here in a second. But the disruptions on is kickoff day, right? So there may have been some arm resistance, there may have been some things going on, but you're probably as a government not privy to what is really behind the scenes, right? Like we never really knew what was going on in the Ho Chi Men Trail until the Tet Offensive, right?

Like that's a perfect example of what that can look like. Is all the suppliers were put in, all the guns were put in, everybody was put in a position and then on the tech, which is the new year, it all just came out of the woodwork, the North Vietnamese army invaded. The Vietnam army called sprung up out of every major town and operation.

The only thing that North Vietnamese didn't do was do marine landings and airborne forces. They didn't have them. But it just all on one day clicks. And so the whole I say right now, like in my notes here, it says, the whole world is ending, right? You were destroying C2 conventional forces are invading. Soft activates, right? Like that one company, six battalions just spring up all over the invasion of 2003. I think it was third at group and fifth group that activated the Kurds, the Kurdish networks, and they just started coming down

into Mosul and started coming down in the Baghdad, killing the Iraqi forces. You know, these underground networks spring up, and airborne forces are seizing key airfields, the Marines are seizing key ports and infrastructure. And then the scouts are first in and they're helping shape the operation for the mech and the armor. So how do I put this? Like the good idea is like 2030 army force redesign. It's literally designed for this in mind, right? Like you have special

operations forces conducting all these operations behind enemy lines, get shaping the environment in the conditions, and they're building these guerrilla forces. And then all of a sudden, the 82nd and 101st jump in to seize key terrain and airfields, and then you have these penetration units of armor that are designed to punch holes in huge Soviet style just defenses and just so we're aware and I mean I don't mention this before is that

you have Almost every country that ends in Stan all the Eastern block countries. They're exceptionally good at defense right Russians literally in TC7-100 and we posted about this before the Ukrainian counteroffensive started three months ago or whatever. I forget what Ukrainian counteroffensive we're fucking on, but the point I'm trying to make is they're really good at defense so we made up our own units that can punch holes through the defense and we can do blitzkrieg, which is combined arms maneuver, or it's blitzkrieg.

And so the disruption zone is all the reconnaissance forces helping shape these forces, helping shape things for the main advance force because yes, we landed airborne forces, yes, we landed marine forces on the beach, but we have to get to them. Think about hostile airport, right? So they've only got hostile airport. They only had like 24 hours with the supplies, which is why we know they were thinking they were probably on a training exercise or something. But when we talk about airborne forces, they usually have about 72 hours of ammo, food, water, because it's about all you can carry really in a Rucksack and kick bags that usually kick out of the aircraft.

And there's a whole bunch of pathfinder stuff we can go into about what they may or may not have, but 72 hours is a good planning idea of what they may have. So you got 72 hours as the Mech Force to get in there and establish supply lines to the airborne forces, which is what happened on D-Day, right? The 101st, the 82nd jump in at Normandy. They do the beach landing.

They link up. They start giving them supplies. Yada, yada, yada. It's a grand day. And then Market Garden was a failure, right? Because the main body didn't really connect. There were issues. They couldn't get to the British Airborne fast enough and they got captured and all types of stuff.

And it just became a wreck, right? And then Operation Varsity, which almost nobody talks about, unless you're British airborne because the Americans that took place in that, I think it was the 17th Airborne. Nobody talks about that. But yeah, it's just linking up with the airborne forces. And that's what the disruption zone is. It's the scouts coming to save the airborne at the end of the day. And so, yeah, great idea is when you think about this,

it's like the pictures that you saw of Spetsnaz with the, I think they're like the China Lake Grenade Launchers, right? And the AKs, they're like running around and crimey blowing things up, shooting security guards, taking good role of radio towers, and telling everybody to stay calm, and if everything's gonna be okay. And you know, you got to link up with those resistance fighters too, and they're gonna, you know, that's what the Recon's out there doing in the disruption zone, is they're finding that, and they're finding those guys and linking up with them. Our next zone, after the battle zone, or,, or there it is, after the destruction zone is the battle zone. And so let me back up and let's talk about this

on the defense, right? So what are we seeing right now? And why do I get 100 DMs asking me why I think the counteroffensive is failing? And what is going on, right? So when we think about this in the defensive, right? You have all these special operations in the back line, killing and slaughtering pokes, people other than grunts, people other

than the infantry. They're in the back, shooting people in the face, like you saw the Russian spetsnaz coming down from Belarus to kill soft targets, right, that matter a lot. Like if you kill a truck driver, you probably killed like a whole company of dudes who aren't going to get food and water and ammo, right? They're going to fall apart on the front line. That's what's going on behind the main at the main forward line of troops, the flat, forward line of troops. The flat begins for the Russians in the disruption zone, right? And so when you talk about

this on the defensive, you're talking about ETGM teams, you're talking about screening operations. And a screening operation is they don't engage the Ukrainian forces, they call for fire, right? And they're just slaughtering them as they come up to the battle zone. And that's the meat and potatoes, right?

Like there's nothing to the battle zone. It's just dug in infantry forces and stuff like that. And so when you look at the international, like at the ISW, the IWS, whichever it is, I know I'll get like 100 DMs saying it's like, but when they talk about those three, they see those pictures of the three trench lines that you see, it's like, that's the first trench line, bro.

Like, oh, we broke the main line. That's not the main line. That's the disruption zone. And that's what we saw in the first month of the counteroffensive, right? The land mines, the ATGMs, the artillery barrage, the K-A50s pop it up behind the wood line and just getting called in. Because it's just scouts and forward observers making a pain train until the Ukrainians engage the main battle zone. They haven the Ukrainians engage the main battle zone.

And they haven't even gotten to the main battle zone. And anybody who's been to JRTC could tell you, like getting into the trench is the easy part. Fighting in the trench and clearing that mess is the hard part. I'm a huge advocate if you're listening to this and you're like an ROTC instructor or you're at West Point, Point please for the love of God. I don't care if the cadets are or anybody for

that matter. Like if it clear a trench, a real trench, get in there, cut the go up to the trench, crawl on your belly, throw a bunch of smokeades, lose the first four guys to land mines, cut the barbed wire, create an opening, pour infantry into it, get slaughtered, and it takes 10 to 1 odds, usually, as far as artillery, inventory tanks, and all that stuff to clear out, one guy, like, it's ridiculous. You can put one conscript in a trench and fight. And so, you know, that's, but you're getting the disruption zone first. And that's what we saw these last three months was just Ukrainians chugging through

mind fields, chugging through ATGM teams, small little blocking positions and funneling positions. Like, hey, come fight this little platoon of Russians. And then they go over there and actually what it is, it's like a platoon of conscripts. And there's a team of four observers calling in artillery, calling in alligator, fit K50s, ATGM teams, like they're just bait. And I mean, they really don't know any better, but, you know, they're conscripts and they may flee or whatever, but we can just put them on field behind them and they'll just die or

whatever. But really, you're going to see that nice juicy target and you're going to be like, oh man, that's what I want. That's the enemy right there. I need to push through, make, you know, close with and destroy the enemy, like the Americans taught us. And it's just bait. And you're just gonna get slaughtered there.

And then that's the defensive. That's what the disruption zone does on the defensive is. It's pulling you in and it's finding you. It's calling up back to the battle zone and it's telling them, hey, this is it's pulling you in and it's finding you it's calling up back to the battle zone and it's telling them hey this is what's coming we got leopard leopard ones we got leopard twos coming in hey these are Abrams they're this marker right here it's the Ukrainian airborne marine commandos or it's the Ukrainian 64th special operations puncture brigade or whatever. And they're calling it up because the real meat and potatoes is the battle zone.

And if you look at TC7-100, what it will show you is just trenches. Rows upon rows upon rows of trenches. Usually the second and third line, the third billet of trenches is usually your field artillery, which is the Ukrainians I think as of right now are at the second line, which is the battle zone. And so on the defensive, because we're talking about it right, is just layer upon layer upon layer of trenches you have mechanized and you can tell what's usually going on right. Do you have a maneuver defense or an area defense based on how many trenches there are, or how many what you have in the ground, right? Like if you just see BMPs, that means that

because motorized battalions have a section of tanks, that means if there's just BMPs, what you have is tanks about the maneuver and counter attack you. If you have BMPs and tanks, that means that they know that you're a bigger force and a better force, and what they're going to do is dig in the tanks and create a better defensive position and with more firepower. You know, tanks dug in at turret deflated are monsters to kill, right? Like you got to pinpoint and hit that turret perfectly to take that tank out or eliminate the tank. And so that's what's going on defensive as we're trying to determine what's going on. Who are we engaging?

And American doctrine blitzkrieg is what we want to do is we want to puncture through that, that weak point. And we're building, think about it like an arrow. We're trying to push through and we're trying to build and defend the sides of the arrow so we can push supplies through to the spearhead, which is what the puncture force. If you look at the 2030, you have those armor brigades that are going to be the tip of the spear so that they can drive on. And so now we're talking about the offensive as a blitzkrieg is those forces are going to be the spearhead

They're going to go through they're going to link up with the airborne forces But the whole time other infantry elements are peeling off to the side to create defensive positions themselves So they can't counter attack and then logistics are pumping through the arrow to get back to the airborne forces and keep pushing the main Element forward keep pushing on to Moscow, right? Keep pushing on to Paris. Keep pushing on to Baghdad. And so you can type it in, YouTube, Blitzkrieg. It'll show you that arrow moving and peeling off. And like these World War 2 generals are like, oh, this is amazing. Russians don't fight like that deal on the offensive. When they're on the offensive, what they do is they peel off left and right. So they don't have good trained conscripts.

They have conscripts, right? And so they don't have the capacity to do this puncture, right? A good well-trained force to get into the trenches, clear it, push on, right? You need those suit stormtroopers, type Dale, right? The World War I stormtroopers. They don't have that. They have conscripts. Everybody's pretty much trained the same minus some offensive units. But what they do in Russian doctrine is they peel off, right? They don't try to go continuously forward.

They peel off and they encircle you. That's a little bit of what Russia did, not a little bit. That's what Russia did all more, too. They would create these individual pockets of units that they could just leave behind of Germans, that would just starve to death and give up, right? And it's just this slow grind fest of moving forward, peeling off, creating these, like, Mary Opel is a good example. Completely encircled, just pass around that hard objective, siege them, starve them out. We're not going to go in there and kill them.

We're not going to go into the solder city and, you know, they just starve them. Who cares? We're not fighting that. Yeah. And so that's what they do on the offensive is they try to create those little pockets. Peel off slowly, push you back and grind you because it's, eventually happens is you run out of soldiers. And that's what they're begging on is that we can die more. And it you've seen those articles where people are sitting there and they're saying You know, oh Russia's special ability is what they have all these soldiers that can die. Yeah, they know that

They're doctrine right like it's how they fight and so this is where you know another thing like when we talk about Why is the ukrainian offensive stalling? Why is it not going to plan? Because they're Ukrainians. They're not, three months of training with NATO forces is essentially basic training. It's not even like the full six months that a second lieutenant infantry officer would get in America, in active duty, or national guard. They're six, the four more now, four penning to just get your goal bar and your blue cord, not even your Ranger tab, which is another 60 days quote, quote, quote, but that's who's attacking is these guys who barely three months of training, they're conscripts essentially. They have no clue how to effectively punch through, create that surprise, the violence of action and

speed to push through and gain momentum and break this. And every day that goes on, if you look at those pockets all across the Russian field, they're just artillery targets. There's these little cuts, these little like ice cream scoops out of the, the Russian line. And it's just death happening there. It's just artillery all day. And if they don't move and punch through, they're just stuck there being targets, right? And so that's why you

don't, you know, that that's kind of like the minus for like the Russian doctrine is like, yeah, if you peel off though, you're just sitting ducks for a target. If you keep moving forward and get back into those supply lines, cut them off, you know, drive the whole force back and route them. And there's all these different types of schools of thought that go into it. But that's essentially what is happening is they're trying to create that tip of the spear. They tried to lead with their best equipment, their best trained forces, and they ran

into Russian defense, and they folded like a lawn chair. And it's not their fault. When I get mad, Matt gets mad about like, you know, Ukraine's probably going to lose this thing, and losing the definition of the loss being they're not going to regain their territory. It's not Ukraine's fault. It's the politicians who are playing general and trying to win this war by 2024 for the election next year

and pushing Ukraine to do this war. And they're losing because of it. You know, these are the same politicians and the same generals that lost Afghanistan and Iraq. They're pushing for reelection. They're pushing for a political gain. They're not pushing Ukraine because they think they can win.'re not pushing Ukraine because they think

they can win. They're pushing Ukraine because they need this to win by 2024. And it's not going to happen. You know, we've got probably 20 days by the time of publication of this episode for Ukraine to punch through the battle zone. And it's just, it's not going to happen, right? And even, let's say, if they do push through, if you look at that map, there's still the left and right that can cut them off and leave those soldiers behind in the battle zone. They're because they're not peeling off and they're spending their time and every day that goes by, more Russian troops, like we talked about on the episode Red Star, are just showing up. And so, yeah, it's the battle zone. It's the meat and potatoes.

It's where the action is, what makes the green grass grow? Blood. Somebody's gotta get in there and clear that trench. You can't sit there and give people abrum's tanks, by rock tar, hellfires, F-16s, all of this stuff. When they don't even have the infantry that are gonna go in to these trenches

and clear the enemy out, right? And you know, this is when we talk about like what happened at Hostelmall. Well like Ukraine did the same thing back to Russia. They created a really good defense and depth and they stopped the Russians from resupplying the VDV. And so that's the battle zone. That's what's going on there. And then getting into the backbone of all war is the support zone and then the civilian zone, right? And so really boring stuff. If you listen to this podcast, this is where all the nerds are, right?

Your intel, your logistics, your artillery, your air defense, your command, your pharps. And what you do essentially is you take this layout of like the different zones and you just take it and you flip it over. And so the support zone is where you would send your special forces, they would go and engage the air defense, the artillery, the logistics, the intel, the C2 nodes, and that's what you're trying to kill at a low soft targets, with soft, soft kills, soft targets, right? They don't engage in the trenches and clear that stuff. What they do is they go beat up the nerds who are force force multipliers, in another sense of the word, right? Like, artillery is going to, you know, the king of battle. They had dignity to what otherwise would be a barbaric endeavor as somebody put it to quote. And yeah, and so that's what's happening.

It's like if they can get to that third layer of trenches, if that is actually, I'd have to look if that's actually a third trench or if it's actually like where the artillery and the support systems are covering the infantry right like if you think about it like if you go into TC7-100.2 and you take a ruler and you're like okay or like you take like a one by 50,000 map which is you know of an area and you put down your little markers of inventory. Like, oh, they're going to guard here, here, here, and here. And this is what the kill box right here. We're going to shade that in. This is what they can hit.

And so you've got to make sure the artillery can cover that. So you, you know, you take a little piece of string. Let's, you know, 50 kilometers for the D7 or whatever, which is the Russian tank. And you go, OK, we need to cover this kill zone. That means that anywhere within this circle right here is the artillery. And so you're kind of like back asmeth, you're kind of back planning from there. So like if this is, like, you know, okay, we look at

and think about it like from like a, an intel perspective is like, we send recon up and we're like, okay, this grid coordinate we can tell there are dug in enemy positions, BMP2s with T72s. It's like, okay, so we know they're doing an area defense, which is going to be static because they don't have the tanks out of turret deflated. If they were out of turret deflated, that would mean they're doing a maneuver counter attack. And so they're dug in, The BMP twos are there. The T72s are there. It's like, okay, so they're there.

What do we think their kill box is? And so you're like, okay, it's like this. It's like right here. And so they would need artillery to cover that at the most extreme point. And then they also have to cover the disruption zone. And so you're like, okay, where did we kill scouts? Where did we start picking up scouts and forward observers? And where did we start killing them?

So this is where the disruption zone is. This is the kill zone. So we search online there. And then you could kind of back plan off the enemy commander about what's going on. And so then you go, okay, so we started killing scouts and a forward observers back here. This was the disruption zone. This was the kill zone. This is obviously the battle zone. The artillery has to cover the disruption zone because you can't have scouts and forward observers out there with no artillery to call in, right? So then you can just take your little string and go,

okay, somewhere, right here. Oh, maybe a little bit down, yeah, it's the artillery. And so then you start creating named areas of interest off that, and AI's. And then you start sending up drones and you start sending named areas of interest off that, and AI's, and then you start sending up drones, and you start sending deep penetration reconnaissance or lures, long range reconnaissance, or drones. And you start recawning back there,

and that's how you find doing good intel work. That's how you find the artillery, the air defense, the logistics nodes, if you wanna target those, like, okay, the average truck can do, yada yada yada, eight hours of driving per day. Like, what's the Russian manual save for how many hours they can drive a day, 12? Okay. So what's a 12 hour trip on a 45 mile per hour road?

And you just start black planning right that. And that's how you find people as an intelligence professional and get them killed is back planning. And that's how you find the support zone and those weak stuff. And then behind that, you have the civilian zone, which is like uniquely American. I always think about this like Kuwait, right? Like it's like Air of John and places like that that are just soft. So like you don't even get to carry a gun there. It's just pizza hut, Charlie steakhouse sobs, and you know, it's just a life of leisure back there. And you're sending supplies for the support zone, which will then go to the battle zone.

back there and your sending supplies for the support zone, which will then go to the battle zone. And so this is it, right? I can put this up on the Patreon. This is something that I posted like really early on in the Patreon. You could teach a whole class on it. Like I said, this is a really condense version of how you conduct warfare, the terms that I use and maybe Matt's used or other people have used. What's going on, right? Like I said, the first month was the Ukrainians trying to push through the disruption zone

and just getting beat up and not carrying that momentum and it slowed them down. And if you slow down on the disruption zone, you're going to get artillery. And then you're going to just die, die, die. And then you're going to slowly tread forward until you get to the battle zone. And then you're going to die some more. And you're going to be upset because everybody's dying. And more units got to come in.

And they don't know what's going on. They haven't had to work their way up to this point. And so they're like, hey, what's going on? Oh, we're dying. And so you just lose momentum. going on, they haven't had to work their way up to this point. So they're like, hey, what's going on? Oh, we're dying. And so you just lose momentum. And it's like, well, what could have changed this? And I've said this a hundred times.

It's not Ukraine's fault. It's the politicians. It's the generals. What could have changed this, right? And maybe I should make this for the page or not. What could have changed this? And it's many things. If you read the books, we were soldiers once in young

or band of brothers, these are movies, but the books are really good about talking about these units that perform spectacularly well, right? Like the 101st was the first unit to ever receive as a division, the Presidential Unit Citation, 7th Cav, they received a Presidential Unit Citation for their work and the E.D.R.A.N. and they were all offensive operations.

And like, first off, it takes a year maybe of hard training. After you get your basic training done, a year of training to train you up to be a good, capable offensive soldier, which is funny that we talk about this because we're talking about two units that are one's airborne, one's aerosol. It takes a year of extra training, hard training, and they talk about that.

You know, Captain Sobel and the band of brothers trained them up, trained the easy company, the 101st up, and brought them up to the standard of assault troopers, and then a drain and 7th Cav and the Howe more. He trained with them for a year, all over Eastern America, from Fort Benning, up to Fort Bragg, and back to Fort Knox, sometimes in Fort Campbell. They were all over training for a year before they went to Vietnam. Some of their guys only had like one year on their contract. So when they hit town in Vietnam, some of them only had days left

until they had to leave the army. And they still did e-drying. They still did that battle. And so if you want to be good at this stuff, if you want to get good, it's going to take you about a year and a half of hard work. And on top of that, you need good officers, right? You need good planners. You need guys who are committed to you, and which is why I was saying like

if you work for any but thing that has like an officer studying Academy or NCOs and stuff like that make them do a trench assault because they need to understand that if they're logistics, infantry, intelligence, artillery, air defense, whoever they are, if they hear, we have a trench at this position, we're gonna do a breakthrough attempt, and we're gonna push in. They all know what's about to happen. They all know they're gonna need as many bullets as possible. They're gonna need as many artillery rounds as possible.

They're gonna need the best intel possible, and it's gonna be a lot of work, but once you pass the trench, what's behind there? Maybe there's nothing. Maybe there's another trench, you know, but once you get past the trench, what's behind there? Maybe there's nothing. Maybe there's another trench. You know, but the idea of being like, if you're in that training capacity, you need to train people to breach trenches because it only takes a shovel and some committed conscripts to build a trench network and defense and depth and cause that problem and cause a significant

amount of personnel to be held up, right? Like one to 10 is the desire number that you need or 10 to one is the desire number you need to breach a trench, right? So it's it's the year and a half of training, it's good information and intelligence, a healthy understanding of knowing this stuff and what you're about to conduct yourself in. It's a, I joke a lot on the discord with a very stern German who believes that, you know, there's only, there's many ways to train an army and raise an army, but there's a time for seriousness and there's a time for lighthearted jokes, you know, in Afghanistan.

Most of the time it was lighthearted jokes and ha-ha's. And, you know, it was serious for a quick minutes and then it was most of the time it was little jokes and ha-ha's. But what the Ukrainians are dealing with is no joke. It's not, it's very serious. It's 30 to see. You know, as big as that disruption zone was and as slow as they were moving, it's been weeks of hard, hard work, real work that's been terrible for them. And they've made it, and part of the reason it's been so terrible is because it's taking them so long to get through it. You know, you got to just push through the pain. And so it's kind of one of those things that if you're a civilian and you're thinking about like, man, I want to get good training. I want to do this and I want to do that. You know, these I made that post and this is this is that point right now, right? Like if you're a civilian and you think I think, and I've said this in the discord, some people just want to shoot. They just want to shoot a gun and that's about it. Not many people are prepared for combat.

And it's not because they're weak-minded or whatever. They don't understand what they're getting themselves into, right, like the hours and hours of planning that goes into a single operation, the years of work that goes into it. And if you're one of those people that, you know, I wanna get good at this stuff, but, you know, I'm an accountant,

or I wanna get good at this stuff because it's just a hobby of mine. You know, I wanna be, I wanna be a better paintballer, I wanna be, you know, a better airsofter, maybe you run like an Arma team or whatever. I would say to you that it's gonna take you a long time of work to understand this and get into the physical shape to do

these things. And if you're a civilian, that fucking sucks, right? And so you gotta make it fun. This is the only counter point I have to that. If you want to train this stuff, if you like this stuff, and it's a passion project, or it's a hobby, and you got to make it fun, and you got to make it good for you, right? And I'm, you know, selfless plug. That's what we do on the Patreon. Is we make it fun for the guys. We, you know, shout out to Zinger.

He's a big fan of the podcast, but I'm super proud of him, right? Like he's in the Patreon, he's lifting weights now, he's eating right, he's playing Wargame Red Dragon and learning all the different types of units and like how they move. And, you know, he's at the point now where he can, you know, he's a college kid who's never stepped foot

in the military, but he's already at the point where he can plan breakthroughs like this, right? You know smoke, fire and maneuver and stuff like that. And it's fun. You know, every day you wake up and you're texting the guys like, hey, I'm going to the gym. Hey, you guys want to play red dragon later? You guys want to do some work on each other and see like what kind of units and stuff like that happen and how they work and We'll kind of units and stuff like that happen and how they work and You know in November we've got the shooting tournament coming up and I'm kind of letting the guys free flow through it Kind of let them plan their own things and we're gonna meet up there and we're gonna be like hey What'd you do? How'd you prepare how this go? What is well gun?

Do you have what am I or you're using how'd you train? What did you train with? And I'm going to take notes and make the group better. And that's kind of what, you know, it's not just a Patreon and a Discord. It's actually kind of like a little soldiering club. And that's how you do it. So you don't have to join mine. You can go start your own or whatever you want to do. But I mean, one, now you understand why it's so hard for the Ukrainians to break through, two, if you're interested in training and all that stuff, I hope that you make it fun and make it worthwhile. And then three, understand that there's a lot of depth to this, right? Like we brought to Beton and he was a logistics guy and he lived in the support zone and you

saw how in depth his knowledge was. I mean, he's done everything from Convoys in South Korea to supporting Navy SEALs in Southern Syria. Like he's done it all. I still pick his brain about things and he's just one small minutia of the support zone and I'm another one. And so not counting air defense artillery command forward Farps, you know, fair, forward area resupply points and stuff like that and

chemical reconnaissance and so it's just there's so much depth to it and I hope that you can gain an appreciation for How much goes into this and if you hear somebody or you hear something say like, oh, well, you know, they've killed 250,000 Russians like, where, who were they in the support zone, were they in the battle disruption zone, were they conscripts? You know, do what I did right here in front of you. Reverse engineer that thing, were they clandestine zone, auxiliary zone, were they, were they DNR? At the end of the day, like the Donuts, people's Republic, the DPR, they're Ukrainians.

They're Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians. They're not Russians. Right? I mean, if you really truly believe that the Ukrainian border is where it, you know, the Donuts, the Donuts, people's Republic is Ukrainian. And then they killed Ukrainians, right? Like, fuck.

And so start asking those questions, start pulling it apart, get out there and ask the, and reverse engineer it. And that's, you're gonna start seeing a lot of arguments are gonna come crumbling down before you. And so that's the kit bag podcast. That's the hour 10 and yeah, join the Patreon. $10. Learn all this stuff and more and get better at it. We'll have you fun. See you guys.