Knowledge Fight - #1034: Mystery Babylon #5

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan try to learn about the mystery religion that controls the world, but get very distracted by how flagrant Bill Cooper is about committing plagiarism.

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No, I took in a number of things to get framed. Yeah. And they're ready. Ooh. Yeah. And so I'm excited to go pick these up, because I don't know what they're going to end up looking like.

Yeah. One of them was that painting that used to be right over here, the Leo Zagami painting that someone sent in. And I got a really audacious frame for that one. I splurged on a real, like making it look like this is a real piece of art in a gallery. And there's some other things,

and I'm just excited to go pick those up. Did you choose the frames for all of them? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. A couple of the pieces were just kind of boring frames, but that one I felt like this this deserves a little bit of a boost. I like that. I like that. Yeah, so Next time you're here in the studio. They should be... I'm excited. Yeah I wanted to try and run and get them before today, but I did not have time. It'll be nice to see that You know, it's like good I don't know back in the day you used to just hang stuff up now

I feel like you got to protect stuff with you know it's got to look nice It's got to do the whole thing some things yeah, maybe I'm just nesting or maybe it's just things are more important to me now Yeah, I don't know. I think I think you're finally growing up. Maybe I'm finally growing up. Yeah, I'll be a real boy someday So it's true your birthday is coming up. It is coming up. That's true. No, not quite 40. No, no I'm still young. Oh, yeah youngin it is it is brutal. It is brutal I'm the my wife is like, oh, I'm turning 40 and I'm like man. I'm only 38 This is this shit's gonna last forever. Yeah two more years before you get to join our club of complaining about being 40. I have to keep getting old forever Yep, we have to keep getting DVDs of this is 40. Hmm for your birthday. Yeah, I'm excited

So what's your birth? My bright spot is the obvious. My wife is feeling better. Mm-hmm So bright spot away. I'm sure a lot of people were wishing her well and I guess it worked. Yeah, yep. She's feeling better. You know, everything's going better. And then my other bright spot is the TV show Mobland. We found it. Okay.

Because she was sick and we needed to do something and I found this show called Mobland. Tom Hardy, Pete Braz... Pierce Brosnan, Pete Brosnan. I thought you were going to say Pete Possilthwaite. Pete Possilthwaite is a Brosnan cuz I was a Pete puzzle for Pete puzzle. Thwait is a great. He's dead. Yeah, I think he is dead, too No, it's great show. It's British gangsters. Yeah, they're just doing British gangster shit. Yeah. Yep. I feel weird about Tom Hardy How I mean cuz he makes me feel tingly I I feel weird because I like him in spite of like I don't know why I like him exactly But it turns out almost everything I see him and I end up enjoying I I love everything he does. Yeah everything

Yeah, it's absurd. Maybe he's talented. I think he's got a lot going for him. I think he's got some skills Well, that's great. I'm glad you enjoyed that. I will not be watching it. I would suggest you do. That's great. Tom Hardy's in it Now you're selling me. All right. I genuinely think I could watch anything he's in. Yeah check out that venom three and see if you Still think that That one was rough. That was tough. Yeah. Oh well better than Morbius. No So Jordan today we have an episode to go over okay, and we're gonna be going off the path we're gonna leave our So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Okay. And we're going to be going off the path.

We're going to leave our primary ding-dong to the side. Nice. And we'll get down to business on exactly what we're covering in a second. But first, let's say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Hey Nick, it's Yellow the Purple Horse and Purple the Green Horse. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Alex Jones is not a worm because worms contribute positively to the environment. AJ is a pile of microplastics. Thank you so much, you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And thank you to my wife, Ray, and daughter, Vera Rose. Thank you so much, you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And we got a second grader in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Kira. You introduced me me to this show and now Dan and Jordan are shouting out you giving me brain worms But to refer back to the other one

Maybe microplastics. I love you. I love your york friend Jess. Thank you so much. You're now technocrat. I'm a policy wonk Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much. So Jordan, today what we're going to be doing doing is As important as it is to keep up with Alex sure we do need to learn and we need to look to the past We need to experience the underpinnings and the traditions that have led us to the point where Alex can do the bullshit He has and does and so we are continuing our march through

Mystery Babylon excellent last we left off Would you care to try and remember? Ah, okay. I'll give you a hint. It had to do with Osiris's dick. That's right! We left the sun, and we went directly into vague Egyptian sounding words

that were then related to other words. Yes. As they, as is our what? Osiris? Obirus? Otois? See it all makes perfect sense now. Jeffrey the giraffe is Anubis. It makes the most sense. Yeah, so we were learning a lot about Egypt. Yes. And Egyptian gods and dicks. Right Yeah, so we were learning a lot about Egypt and Egyptian gods and dicks. And so we turn on part five, lecture number five, and I feel like we've made a little bit of a departure and now we're just talking about the New World Order. Sounds right.

Why are all of the legacies of the past, the family, national borders, the right to practice any chosen religion, the right to private property, among other things, under such an attack. Is it possible that there are actually people and organizations who really want to change the basic order of things? Well, my regular listeners know the answer to that. Clues to the answers to these questions. folks, can be gleaned from some comments made by people and organizations that are talking about these wide-ranging changes in the nature of our lifestyle. An Associated Press dispatch on July 26, 1968,

reported this, quote, New York Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller says as president, he would work toward international creation of a new world order, unquote. And you thought George Bush coined that phrase? Surprise, surprise. I really feel like I've gotten whiplash from the Egypt stuff to now somewhat relatively current shit. I don't know, man. So Bill referred to Nelson Rockefeller as the governor of New York because he's reading

from an AP article from 1968. But it's strange that he doesn't point out that Rockefeller went on to be Gerald Ford's vice president. I found this article and it's real. Rockefeller was running for the Republican nomination and he was advancing a position that was based on increasing dialogue with other countries in order to avoid war with China and the Soviet Union. He said, quote, we have no need to be mesmerized by our perils. The possibility to build the new order we all seek is limited only by our imagination and dedication. Bill knows that

Rockefeller wasn't talking about some kind of Illuminati Egypt cult that he was working for or whatever the fuck. Interestingly, looking through some of these old newspapers, I was able to find a lot of mentions of the New World Order previous to 1968 because of course Rockefeller didn't coin this term and neither did Bush. Nobody did. A lot of them were in letters to the editor and I bring this up to say that at one point they would print your address in the paper if you wanted to get your opinion published. That's how it worked. If you were gonna talk some crazy shit and you wanted it to be spread widely you had to be ready to stand behind that. There you go. I thought that was pretty wild to think about. There is a there is a measure of quality control that maybe there are better ways to get there but that is a way to get there.

Yeah. You're taking on a risk by having your address posted, which means that only the people who really believe what they say or people who are recklessly and dangerously crazy. Absolutely insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk shit get hit is not supposed to be a newspaper's editorial section, but hey, what are you going to do? So Bill has this Nelson Rockefeller quote, and it goes on, there's more people who have

said New World Order before. On January 30, 1976, a new document called the Declaration of Interdependence was introduced to the American people and it was signed by 124 traitors. 32 senators and 92 representatives, altogether 124 traitors in Washington, D.C. And it read in part, quote, That's not enough. Two centuries ago, our forefathers brought forth a new nation. Now we must join with others to bring forth a new world order, unquote. And you thought George Bush coined that phrase.

I did. Surprise, surprise. So, the title Declaration of Interdependence has been used a ton of times in the past 100 years. And in fact, there were two major ones in 1976, most likely because it was the bicentennial celebrating the 200th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. The one that Bill is talking about was written by a history professor from Amherst College named Henry Steele Commager, or at least the preamble was. This small excerpt of the preamble is probably all Bill has ever read of this document because it was the part that was picked up by editorials in the national spotlight, the anti-Semitic

rag published by Willis-Carto's Liberty Lobby. The Spotlight was an old-time white identity publication that probably coincidentally aired a show on the same shortwave station as Bill and the same one Alex would go on to broadcast on, WWCR. In the lead up to 1976, everyone was excited about celebrating the bicentennial and different cities thought that they had the right to be the official event. Boston felt like they were the right choice, which Philadelphia didn't agree with, nor did DC.

The federal government decided that it wouldn't be right to choose a city to the exclusion of another, so each place could do their own big celebration. Philadelphia decided that part of theirs would be the commissioning of this Declaration of Interdependence. It had no official government authority and it meant nothing. It was symbolic and had a lot to do with the feeling that if the world didn't start working together, we were going to destroy ourselves, which is a prevailing attitude they had in the 70s and mid-2020s. Sure, sure, sure.

As part of the celebration, a bunch of members of Congress signed the document, but their signature didn't mean anything in this context, at least not in terms of passing a law or it being considered a binding treaty. Literally every member of Congress could sign my autograph book, and that doesn't magically make it a law. The Spotlight made a big deal out of this and how it was internationalism trying to take over the country. If you go back and look at the response to this declaration, it's almost entirely associated with the spotlight and an editorial written by a guy named George Benson. Benson is remembered as the president of Harding University and more importantly as a

fierce opponent of racial integration. Students at his college attempted to express their desire to desegregate, which led to him giving a speech in 1957, which the Arkansas Times described like this, quote, citing Washington DC as an example, Benson warned that integration would bring, quote, increased destruction to property, increased gonorrhea and syphilis, and increased pregnancies. Sounds right. He also railed against, quote, mixed marriages, which would lead to, quote, more broken homes and an increase in crime. What you gonna do? Benson concluded his speech with a line

that Harding's faculty and students had heard him say before, but never with so much emphasis. Oh boy. Quote, the black birds and blue birds, the blue jays and mockingbirds. Oh no. They don't mix and mingle together young people. One of the things Benson was really good at

was courting big donors to the school. And he was actually able to massively grow the budget of Harding while he was there. As an offshoot of this, he started an outlet called the National Education Program, which disseminated his op-eds to newspapers and distributed extreme right-wing periodicals. And it was in essence another John Birch Society type of entity. It pushed anti-communist hysteria and deeply regressive bigotry with the funding of pro-business groups of the time. These are the kinds of sources that Bill's pulling from. They were the groups that made

a big deal out of this meaningless gesture that was part of this celebration in Philadelphia. Neo-Nazis like Willis Cardo and racist propagandists like Benson blew things out of proportion and that exaggeration lives on in the legacy of the media ecosystem that they built. Bill is an extension of that, and Alex a further extension. They carry on the work, these bigots who like to pretend that they oppose desegregation because it was an anti-communist plot, that work that they kicked off. They got that ball rolling. Anyway, I don't know what this has to do with Osiris' penis, but I'm sure it'll all come

together at some point. Well, I think that was going to be my next question is we appear to have skipped ahead. Quite a bit. I prefer to go like piece by piece because it feels as though the Mystery Babylon folk just business as usual for several thousand years. It'd have to be. And then New World Order. What was the inciting, what was it just like the 70s?

And they were like, you know what? It's time we stepped up. Yeah. Yeah, guys, we've been lazy. We've been mystery Babyloning for too long. Too many Crispiniston Easter Babyloners over here. So first there was Amon Ra. Right.

And then a little bit Nelson Rockefeller. And now here we are. Yeah. All right. OK. I feel like you can't just yada, yada, yada that many years. No. No, I found it disorienting. And maybe if I were listening to this as a serialized radio

show at the time and took it seriously, I think I'd be confused. I would be a little bit unhappy. Why are we jumping all over the place? Yeah. So Kissinger, he also said New World Order. Our nation is uniquely endowed to play a creative and decisive role in the new order which is taking form around us." So Henry Kissinger used the words new world order a lot more than just this one time,

but I guess any example is as good as another. In April 1975, Congress had voted against a proposed $722 million emergency military funding package that was meant to support South Vietnam. In theory, it was largely about evacuating the remaining American citizens in the country and providing evacuations for South Vietnamese people who were in serious danger after we pulled out of the conflict. The Kissinger quote was in reference to this bill failing and how it represented the US not taking up the leadership in the position in the world that it's uniquely placed to

be in. This was an article from April 18th and Saigon fell on April 30th. Sure. Fuck Kissinger and all that, but there's also an understandable context to this quote that Bill isn't interested in. Someone just said the words New World Order and that's all that matters. Yeah. But since Bill is so interested in who said New World Order, I want to play a game with

you Jordan. Okay. And see if you can guess whether or not certain people ever joined the New World Order. I want to play a game with you, Jordan. Okay. And see if you can guess whether or not certain people ever joined the New World Order. That's what I was going to, yep, okay. Hulk Hogan. Yes, he did join the New World Order. That is correct.

You're one for one. Macho Man Randy Savage. Yes, he did join the New World Order. You're correct. Two for two. Diamond Dallas Page. No, no, no yes yes he did final answer yes it is my final correct god damn it yep he was the one of the

holdouts I couldn't remember if he was one of the holdouts or if he was one of the guys sting sting did not join the new world correct what was sick doing in the new World Order? He was in the Wolf Pack. Oh, which one? The red and black. Alright, alright. Oh, the red and black. That's not fair. That's still the New World Order.

Okay, fine. David Arquette. Actor David Arquette, who was at one time WCW World Champion. I know this. I know he's involved. I don't know if he joined the New World Order. I'm gonna go with no. Correct. The Rock. The Rock did not joined the New World Order. I'm gonna go with no. Correct.

Oh. The Rock. The Rock did not join the New World Order. That's correct. But they did do a New World Order in the WWF later. And Shawn Michaels joined. See, but the problem there is every World Order is at first the New World Order

and then later the Old World Order. But it's still this brand. Okay, fair enough. That's all I'm talking about. Fair enough, okay. Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman did join the New World Order. world order and then later the old world but it's still this brand okay that's all I'm talking about okay Dennis Rodman Dennis Rodman did join the new world order yes I was a big Bulls fan yeah Paul Gilmartin comedian Paul Gilmartin Paul get meant mental health pod Paul Gilmartin I'm gonna go with yeah he did yeah that sounds right because he hosted dinner in a movie at the time with

It was owned by like TNT. That's awesome. There's another Turner thing Yeah, he ended up joining the NWO. Perfect. Yeah, well you did better than I thought but DDP was you know DDP and sting my rear to my initial reaction to DDP was he's a guy who would never join the new world order And then my next thought was you don't know wrestling Why would you say this man will never join the new world order as if you yeah? Yeah you he? He did not and then I'm gonna get corrected by somebody that Exactly I've opened up a can of water we go so

Yeah, I just at this point. I was like, all right, people said New World Order a bunch. Yeah. I'm unimpressed. Historian Walter Mills maintains that prior to World War I, Colonel Edward Mandel House, a major advisor to Woodrow Wilson, the president at the time, had a hidden motive for involving America in the war. The historian wrote this, quote, the colon Colonel's sole justification for preparing such a batch of blood for his countrymen was his hope of establishing a new world order of peace and security, unquote. You see how

these people fool themselves? They always say that the end is peace and security, a So, by this point in the episode, I was pretty sure that most of this was just Bill reading manipulators, deceivers, they are the worshipers of Lucifer. So by this point in the episode, I was pretty sure that most of this was just Bill reading stuff and he was plagiarizing again. So I tried to figure out where all these quotes exist in the order that he's reading them. And I figured out that he's just reading the introduction to the book, The New World Order, by A. Ralph Epperson. Epperson was a classic New World Order and various other conspiracy theory crank and I think my favorite of his big claims is that Jesse James wasn't killed in 1882

but instead lived on under a fake name and was elected Senator of Montana from 1901 to 1907. See that's the type of shit we gotta get back to. Sure. That's where I wanna live. I wanna live where guys just out of nowhere being like, and also Jesse James is still alive. Yeah, yeah. That's where I want to live. I want to live where guys just out of nowhere being like and also Jesse James is still alive. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm here for So you see Jordan back in the day there were a lot of these Wild West figures who were really famous But no one really knew who they were right like a lot of people didn't have IDs

They used fake names and don't had phone cameras So like if you were just like there would be cool names like Jesse James and Billy the Kid Yeah, people could just pretend to be that person after they had died Yeah, nobody's gonna stop you it happened a lot And it was actually the basis of the plot of young guns 2 was that the one with Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez I think aren't they in both I don't know I mean I think so Franchise had the two of them. I think so right John Bon Jovi Really? Yeah, did he join the New World Order? No, he could he should have he should have yeah

It was right there for now. I don't there's a lot of Japanese baseball players sure But not jump on okay fair enough so in 1948 a man named J. Frank Dalton appeared and claimed to be Jesse James. Unfortunately, he had also previously claimed to be a US Marshal named Frank Dalton, who he definitely wasn't, and also that called into serious question if J. Frank Dalton was even his actual name. He also spent a little bit of time pretending to be the head of a Confederate secret society called the Knights of the Golden Circle, which gave him access to tons of buried treasures. In 1995, Jesse James's actual descendants had his grave exhumed and they did mitochondrial

DNA testing which found that the body that was buried there was consistent with their DNA, strongly concluding that that was the actual situation. Even if this guy was Jesse James, which he wasn wasn't Dalton was still like never a senator from Montana Hmm these are just one of the great examples of these old-time US fraudsters and a Ralph Emerson Epperson wrote a whole damn book about how correct this guy's claims were yeah And he also wrote a book about the New World Order which bill is just plagiarizing here on the radio show reading these various Times people have said New World Order those were the is just plagiarizing here on the radio show, reading these various times people have said New World Order. Those were the days. Those were the days when you could just, you could just do whatever you want. I mean, you say that it was like the

old west, but when you stop and think about what you could do and how it was just whatever you want, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I was reading something about that. And like apparently Jesse James and some of his robberies and stuff Yeah, he would use disguises. Yeah, so a lot of people really had no idea what he looked like. Why would you that's the idea? Yeah, if you're a famous bank robber, you should not know what he looks like. Yeah, very simple Someone who had claimed to have met Jesse James Said that this guy was Jesse James and then he realized like well actually no he's at least the person that I was introduced to as Jesse

James. To be clear I am not reporting accurate information. I'm reporting the information that I was given. I only know that I met him 20 years ago as Jesse James so if he's doing this he's been doing it for a while. Yeah no and I mean they the power of a letter of recommendation back then. The power of a letter that you absolutely could have written yourself. Yeah, that can't be fake. Incredible. Incredible. Yep.

So Hitler also said New World Order. Sure, I bet he did. Adolf Hitler, a socialist and the head of the German government prior to and during the nation's involvement in World War II, is quoted as saying this, quote, "'National Socialism' will use its own revolution for the establishing of a new world order,' unquote." Adolf Hitler was a socialist. Nazi means national socialism. Hitler confided to Hermann Rochning, the president of the Danzig Senate, quote, National socialism is more than a religion. It is the will to create Superman, unquote. And what is the number of the man? 666. You see, in the New World Order only one man will be allowed to live. The new man,

the illumined man. The number of that man is 666. You will see that number increasingly all around you. I've not seen the number 666 around me pretty much ever, with two exceptions. The only places I've ever seen it are in art that's meant to freak people like Bill out, and then when people like Bill freak out about said art. I would say that 666 has almost zero impact on my life outside of that. I don't run into it everywhere.

Oh, sometimes you'll see it in like a graffiti, and you'll be like, ah, some child with 666. And you're like, well, the reason they did that was because it freaks people like bill out There is no maybe a slot machine or a lotto comes up 666. Hey, that's in that creepy It's not but is it yeah plays a very small role in my life. Yeah, I'm not sure that's a real hitler quote But even if it is it's not surprising that he would be talking about wanting a new world order That's different from the old one. That's kind of his big thing. He was all about that.

He wasn't a fan of the current one. Yeah. The quote about Superman is from Hermann Röschning, who left the Nazi party in 1934 and fled Germany in 1936. In 1939, he published a book called Hitler Speaks, which has also been called The Voice of Destruction. The book contains a lot of things alleged to have been said by Hitler, but many historians look on it with a bit of skepticism.

Some people who question the book's authenticity are straight up neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers who are seeking to defend Hitler from looking as bad as he does in the text, but other non-Nazi folks have also found some reason to think that some of the book at least is inauthentic. Either way, in the text, Roshning says, quote, those who see a national socialism, nothing more than a political movement, know scarcely anything of it. It's more than a religion.

It is the will to create mankind anew. So Bill is just reading from the introduction to Epperson's book though. So he misses a lot of the context around these things. Sure. He doesn't know or even care at all. It's just, just gonna read this book. Like here's what blows me away about people like this is like At no point in time does it ever occur to them that another language has things like new world like

like whenever dude Makes the China he's like is a new world order like the word that's he was just saying that Everybody says that before they make a new like when Cromwell murdered that guy He was like, oh, it's a new world order and then 40 years later. It was the same world order again They just went back. Yeah, you know, yep. What's the new boss same as the old boss? Everybody just says Everybody just says new world order every time yeah Yep, if you were in the who and then the guests who came along would you fight them I?

Bet it made them angry I think I'd fight them and then I think at the same time it made them confused is that why are we angry about this? Look if you were if you were in like 311 and someone came out with 312, you have to fight. Why? Why? What if somebody came out with 310 though? If somebody says 310, is that are you like, oh, well, that's a compliment to us.

It's a lesser priority to kick their ass, but you do need to still kick their ass. Right. Okay. It's less insulting, but it is still like but you do need to still kick their ass. Right, gotcha. Okay. It's less insulting, but it is still like, you're on our toes. Right, right, right, gotcha. Anyway, Bill, I don't know, man. Is the beer insulting to the band 311? The beer 311?

312. No, because that's a zip code. Yeah, that's fine. All right. Cross genres, it's fine. Okay. Yeah, if you're... Just learning? Uh-huh. I'm just finding out where the boundaries of this are? Yeah. No, I mean, you could have real big pilsners or something, and the real big fish doesn't have to fight you. Real big fish wouldn't be so angry.

Real big fishers? Yeah. Yep. Okay. But if you named your band real big fishers, very frightening. Yeah, gotcha. So Bill discusses the writing of the Communist Manifesto here. The alleged need for a change in the basic way things are done is consistent with the teachings of the father of communism, Karl Marx. He's not really the father of communism, but it's a name that's been tagged onto him. You see, he was just a hack writer hired by the mystery religion of Babylon to write the Communist Manifesto.

It was not his idea, but he's reaped the benefits of it. Who's doing the hiring? If you can call them benefits. Who's in the HR department? But he co-authored the Communist Manifesto with Frederick Ingalls, another hack writer, in 1848. Mr. Marx wrote that the Communists, quote, openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing

social conditions, unquote. He doesn't go deeper into Marx being hired by a mystery cult to write the communist manifesto. That feels like an interesting story. Seems like it could, yeah, but it's not in the introduction to this book, so he's not gonna tell you about it. It feels like it's a really important part of history. It was a pretty important book.

He was pretty famous for writing it. If we've suddenly discovered that a secret shadowy organization several thousand years old was the impetus behind him writing it, I feel like there's an interesting story there. Yeah, once I realized that this is just Bill reading the introduction to this book, I kind of, I ran out of a little bit of steam and patience for it because I could just read it. And I'm not impressed by a Ralph Epperson's rigor and quality of work. So this isn't, this isn't even Bill. Yeah, it's, it feels illegal to perform an audio book of somebody else's work without their knowledge. And without saying that's what you're doing. Yeah somebody else's work without their knowledge.

And without saying that's what you're doing. Yeah, that's even worse. Yeah. But hey, let's see what else there is to be learned in this introduction. Maybe we'll learn about the Pope. Some of the Catholic popes in the past have commented on the major changes coming in the future. One such pope was Pope Pius XI, who wrote the following in 1937. Communism has behind it occult forces for which a long time have been working for the

overthrow of the Christian social order." One of the Popes who preceded him, Pope Pius XI, or excuse me, Pope Pius IX, wrote this in November 1846 about the changes that he saw in the future. Quote, That infamous doctrine of so-called Communism is absolutely contrary to the natural law itself, and if once adopted would utterly destroy the rights, property, and possessions of all men and even society itself. Unquote. Now, don't get all worked up about what the Pope says because they have succeeded now with this Pope in putting one of their

own upon the throne of the Vatican. It had long been their dream and now it is true. Isn't that wild? In 1993 Bill is saying that the globalists finally got their Pope on the throne, which has to be referring to John Paul II. He's remembered as a good anti-communist pope now, but weirdly at the time, he was the epitome of what the mystery religion wanted to install in power. It's almost like that's always the story to these dicks.

This Pius IX thing from 1846 was his Quii Pluribus speech, which would be interesting to hear Bill's take on. It's too bad he's dead, so I can't ask him about how that speech was mostly about the evils of human rationality and how philosophy threatens the foundation of the church. From that text, quote, In order to easily mislead the people into making errors, deceiving particularly the imprudent and inexperienced, they pretend that they alone know the ways to prosperity. They claim for themselves without hesitation the name of philosophers. They feel as if philosophy, which is wholly concerned with the search for truth in nature,

ought to reject those truths which God himself, the supreme and merciful creator of nature, has deemed to make plain to men as a special gift. With these truths, mankind can gain true happiness and salvation. So by means of an obviously ridiculous and specious kind of argumentation, these enemies never stop invoking the power and excellence of human reason. They raise it up against the most holy faith of Christ, and they blather with great foolhardiness that this faith is opposed to human reason. Without doubt nothing more insane than such a doctrine, nothing more impious or more opposed to reason itself could be devised.

For although faith is above reason, no real disagreement or opposition can ever be found between them. This is because both of them come from the same greatest source of unchanging and eternal truth, God. They give such reciprocal help to each other that true reason shows, maintains, and protects the truth of faith, while faith frees reason from all errors and wondrously enlightens, straightens, and perfects reason with the knowledge of divine matters. Like I know that Bill's a religious guy and he has a respect for faith and all that stuff,

but I have to assume that he'd have some problems with the Catholic Church being like wholly dismissive of rationality and how it's not, it's second to faith, I guess. Maybe he wouldn't, I don't know. I mean, he's against regular popes. But that speech wasn't just about like communists, is my point. It's also about the evils of rationality and humanism. Sure. Well, I mean, we all agree with those.

Obviously. Not sure. What about the Child Pope? Is the Child Pope a globalist pope? I feel like we need to talk more about the Child Pope. Why isn't anybody quoting the Child Pope's writings? If he's the Pope, we gotta count him the same, right? Yeah. Anything before Vatican II is fine. Yeah, we gotta count him the same, right? Ever? Yeah, anything before Vatican II is fine.

Yeah, you gotta count... They apologized for their role in the Holocaust, and then the Catholic Church was shitty after that. Right, right, right. So you gotta count Child Pope, whatever he wrote, as like, oh, that's not a Mystery of Babylon Pope. Mm-hmm. That's a good Pope. Maybe. Yeah, as long as it's not current, we're good. Oh, good.

So Bill goes on. Some other people have said some shit. Maybe even Rhodes Scholars. Did you hear me, Rhodes Scholars? Rhodes Scholars? About a couple of Rhodes Scholars. Did Dusty Rhodes ever join the New World Order? No.

Incorrect. God damn it. Yep, he was in the New World Order. Another clue about what is in store for the future world was offered by Dr. James H. Billington, who received his doctorate as a Rhodes, Rhodes, Rhodes, Rhodes, Rhodes Scholar. Where have you heard that before? You have a Rhodes Scholar sitting in the Oval Office right now. Received his doctorate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University and has taught at Harvard

and Princeton universities. He wrote this in his book entitled, Fire in the Minds of Men. Quote, This book seeks to trace the origins of a faith, perhaps the faith of our time. What is new is the belief that a perfect secular order will emerge from the forcible overthrow of traditional authority." You hear that? They believe a perfect secular order will emerge. Nothing perfect will ever emerge from the minds of imperfect men.

So this is from James Billington's book, Fire in the Minds of Men, Origins of the Revolutionary Faith. Bill is reading from Epperson's book, which paraphrases the first lines of the introduction of Billington's. In full, the original says, quote, This book seeks to trace the origins of a faith, perhaps the faith of our time. Modern revolutionaries are believers, no less committed and intense than were the Christians and Muslims of an earlier era. What is new is the belief that a perfect secular society will emerge

from the forcible overthrow of traditional authority." Epperson's quoting of the passage removes the line about Christians and Muslims because he wanted to obscure the point that these revolutionaries Billington is writing about are not all that different from religious revolutionaries of the past, except in the sense that they're secularly inclined. And because of that editorial choice that Epperson made in terms of quoting this passage from Billington, now Bill is just reading... It's all a game of telephone. Well, because religious people aren't...

No, no, they're nothing like revolutionaries. They're just doing regular-aries for God. And it's, sure, it seems very similar, the things that they do and the results that they have on the lives of other people. But one of them has God. Right. It's the people who are doing it for some sort of a religious reason, they're doing it because that's upholding the natural

order of things. Whereas you are not. Great. The most revolutionary. Yeah. So Bill goes on, keeps reading, and brings up old B.F. Skinner. Hey, that's nice. Yeah.

That's nice. That these future changes would involve force and slavery was confirmed by B.F. Skinner, chairman of the psychology department at Harvard University. In his book entitled Beyond Freedom and Dignity, Dr. Skinner has been called the most influential of living American psychologists by Time magazine. So the world should listen to the professor when he speaks. The magazine told the reader what the message of Professor Skinner's book was, quote, we can no longer afford freedom and so it must be replaced with control over man, his

conduct and his culture, unquote. So this is a 1971 book that B.F. Skinner wrote called Beyond Freedom and Dignity. Sure. In the introduction, he clearly lays out sort of the theme of what he's talking about. Okay. Quote, the application of the physical and biological sciences alone will not solve our problems because the solutions lie in another field. Better contraceptives will control population only if we use them. New weapons may offset new defenses and vice versa, but a nuclear holocaust can be prevented

only if the conditions under which nations make war can be changed. New methods of agriculture and medicine will not help people if they're not practiced, and housing is a matter not only of buildings and cities, but of how people live. Overcrowding can be corrected only by inducing people not to crowd, and the environment will continue to deteriorate until polluting practices are abandoned. In short, we need to make vast changes in human behavior, and we cannot make them with the help of nothing more than physics and biology, no matter how hard we try. So Skinner goes on to make the argument that our civilization has made essentially zero

progress on understanding human behavior from the time of Plato to the 70s. Greek philosophers in the realm of physics made a lot of breakthroughs, but also their findings are useless to us now, except as a matter of historical interest. Conversely, modern science around behavior, not really that much more advanced than what they were discussing in the old Greek texts. He says, quote, Whereas Greek physics and biology, no matter how crude, led eventually to modern science, Greek theories of human behavior led nowhere. And I think he makes a great point too in the introduction where he's saying, he's talking about how like, if you showed modern physics and all this shit to Greek thinkers of that time, they'd have no idea what to do with any of that. But it's built upon what they had created. Sure.

Whereas, if you took human behavioral theories and you showed it to them, they would have no problem It would be right in line with a lot of the stuff that's in those like Socratic dialogues and shit. Yeah people don't Understand themselves too. Well, yeah his basic point Is that we have these concepts like quote states of mind feelings traits of character human nature and so on that Predominate the study of behavior these kinds of variables were once part of our understanding of physics and biology, but we needed to let them go in order for those sciences to progress. It's talking about how like back in the day, Aristotle used to think that things sped up when they fell because they were eager to get to Earth.

They loved the Earth! You know, that kind of personification is something that existed in some of the past of sciences. Yeah, yeah, sciences. Sure. Skinner is arguing that as long as these ideas, including the illusion of freedom and dignity, persist, no one will pursue a true science of behavior, which is something that he's into. And I can understand if you're not into that, you're not into the science of behavior and

you're not into BF Skinner, totally understand. I think it's a, Bill's misrepresenting it a little bit. Sure. Sure. But I also am certain a Bill's misrepresenting it a little bit. Sure. Sure But I also am certain that Bill has never read that book Yeah Since the quote that he's using is just a paraphrasing of Skinner's text that was published in Time magazine Which was then included in the introduction of Epperson's new world order book. So this is just third hand at best Yeah shit. Yeah, I

sense that a lot of the Lot of the things that we will be secondhand quoting Through another person will Will center mainly within the first ten pages of all books that they are quoted. Holy shit I do not think we're gonna find a lot of this one's in chapter 9 Yeah, man as I was going over like I did my coverage of Alex's book, The Great Reset. Yeah. And like so much of it was obsessed with the introduction and forward of the book.

Yeah, because all I need to do is open the book. I read to where I get what I want. And then I'm done with the book. Yeah, it's rough. Yeah. So I as I realized that Bill's just reading this guy's book. Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna bust you. I'm gonna catch you in the act of reading the book. Well, when you slip up a little bit, okay, I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna pin it down. Okay, okay. As here's the first one. It's not as bad as as it could be, but it's still pretty glaring. say to us, make us your slaves, but feed us." The Tucson Citizen newspaper of November the 3rd, 1988 printed a photograph of a group of people involved in a march for literacy.

Aha! You can tell that he's just reading because of that little slip up that he made. The text has a grammatical error in it that says, quote, the Tucson Citizen newspaper of November 3rd, 1988 printed a photograph of a some people involved in a march for literacy. He reached the a some part and he felt the need to correct it on the fly. And you could hear that pause. Gotcha. Yep. It's done. Busted. You've been got. You've been got. It's going to get a lot worse. I believe that. But that was like an instance of like, oh oh yeah, if you were reading along with this, you'd understand exactly where that slip up came.

Fuck you, Bill. Yeah, you got him. What else is there to say? Nail this man to the wall. So he goes to commercial, he doesn't actually go to commercial, he plays a little bit of a song. Actually, the beginning intro song of this episode

was the Mr. Burns and Smithers song from The Simpsons Sing the Blues. I thought that was weird. That is weird. Yeah. That is weird. But he finishes the introduction of that book, that Epperson book, so it's time to go to break.

The people of the world will give up their freedom to the controllers because there will be a planned famine or some other serious occurrence such as a depression or war. The change to the New World Order is coming shortly, folks, and it has already begun. However, if that is not the case, it will be introduced one step at a time so that the entire structure will be in place by the year 1999. We've got to take a short break. Don't go away, folks. I'll be right back after this very short pause.

That just was the end of the introduction of this book. He's taking a break, a chapter break, basically. What a dick. And so I was like, all right, he's going to go to break and then he's going to come back and maybe it'll be like what we just discussed was the introduction to this book by Epperson and, you know, here, da da da da, here's a little- He'll own up to it.

Not own up to it, but be like, now let's have a discussion section about this that we got through. I feel like that could save it a little bit and make it like, okay, there's work product of bills here as opposed to just plagiarism. But he comes back and he just starts reading chapter one. Yes folks, something is indeed wrong in America.

And many sense that changes in this nation's lifestyle are occurring. Most of us know full well that these changes are taking place. The newspapers are saturated with articles reporting the activities of those advocating increased governmental spending for a variety of unconstitutional purposes. Organizations supporting a globalism concept urge the world to adopt a one-world government. Psychologists preaching the destruction of the family unit and recommending that the society rear the nation's children. Governments closing private schools, and nations forming

regional governments under which national borders are scheduled to disappear. So it's just he's just reading this book. And like I think he has a fine voice. And I don't begrudge his ability to read. But I was so disappointed. Yeah, this is mystery Babylon. This is supposed to be like this really big, in-depth deconstruction of how this mystery cult has led all of history up till this point. Yeah. And he's just plagiarizing.

And it doesn't even make the point that he wants it to make. It's incoherent. And what a bummer. Such a disappointing dude. Yeah, I feel like we've moved from anything interpretable to ASMR territory, where it's like, he could be reading anything. As long as it's in that droning voice, his fans would still probably listen.

Yeah. It could be the instructions on a 1992 video game. Mm-hmm as long as he let him in Kaji Yep, absolutely. And so I was I was listening along to this and I'm like, alright I guess maybe we just what we should do is a book report of these books that he's talking about or something That he won't even cop to to uh, I'm reading them. Yeah, and and then I was like, okay You've actually crossed the line. The New Religion has a series of leaders. One is a woman named Alice Bailey, a prolific writer on the subject of the New Age.

She was the founder of an organization called the Arcane School, one of the major Lucis Trust divisions. The Lucis Trust was a major publisher of books supporting the religion, and published a newsletter, or newspaper, called Lucifer. In her book entitled The Externalization of the Hierarchy, she told her readers who the organizations were that were going to bring the New Age religion to the world, and she identified them as being, quote, the three main channels through which the preparation for the New Age is going on might be regarded as the Church, the Masonic fraternity, and

the educational field. And folks, that is exactly who is bringing it to realization. The main thrust of this program is going to be to examine only one of the three organizations mentioned by Alice Bailey. That being the Masonic Fraternity. So I ask myself, like, if Bill's plagiarism is malicious or not. Yeah. And I generally go back and forth because some of it's just like, ah you're lazy, this is easier for you or whatever. Sure. But that clip actually pushed me over the line. Hmm. Let me play a little piece of that again for you. The main thrust of this program. In Epperson's book, after the quote from Alice Bailey, there's a parenthetical paragraph

that starts, quote, the main thrust of this book will be to examine only one of the three organizations. Ooh. Bill was scanning the text as he read, saw the word book, and replaced it with program because he knew that saying book would make it too obvious to the listener that he was just reading a book. Yep. At no point does he say that he's just reading Epperson's book, and there are instances like

this where he goes out of his way to substitute words to cover up that fact. And he wants to make it look like what he's reading is the product of his own work or study. That's the charade that he's playing. My point here is that Bill is a fraud, and in that clip there you can see it clearly. Using sources and texts to make a larger point is good, but that is not what Bill is doing He is taking ownership over this text that he had no part in creating. Yep, and it's Bad I mean he didn't even do the high school thing where you just like grab the sentences and rearrange them

Mm-hmm, you know like you're too lazy to even do the shit work that a 16 year old would do. It indicates to me a lack of caring about the subject. Yeah. I mean, every- Like a high school kid. Yeah, yeah, everything. What are you doing, man?

What are you doing? It's hubris. Here's what I'll do, cause the thought had to occur to him. What I'm going to do is I'm going to read this book. And pretend it's me. Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly. And at no point is there a second thought of like, well, maybe I should cut it up. Maybe I should put a chunk here and then say my own words or anything like that. No, just starts reading and then stops reading but I honestly think that even if you want to do that I think that there's an ethical way to do that it for him to be like today. We're going to be going over This book sure this book by a Ralph Epperson And he can still read large large passages of it, but he can't pretend like this book is his script

for the episode that he's doing. This is supposed to be Bill fucking Cooper explaining the mystery religion to you. This isn't supposed to be him stealing someone's work. Yeah, and not even just that, him reading multiple books. Just reading them. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

That's it! So there's more instances of this. This is what I would describe as malicious plagiarism. Okay. There are numerous works by other writers, lecturers, researchers, exposing the involvement of the church in the educational field in the New Age movement and in the New World Order. So I'm not going to attempt to duplicate those efforts.

However, only a few are aware of the involvement of the Freemasons, and that is why I have chosen to concentrate on that organization, Mystery Babylon. So the actual text there says, quote, there are numerous works by other writers exposing the involvement of the Church and the educational field in the New Age movement, so this writer will not attempt to duplicate those efforts." Bill replaced the words, this writer, with I in the text in order to make it look like this is his work and not someone else's. That strongly indicates intention to steal. Like, this is not, like...

This is not an accident. I wrote this! Yeah. You can't say that if you didn't further the text ends with quote That is why I have chosen to concentrate on that organization and Bill adds at the end of mystery Babylon That wasn't in the original text. Wow, Epperson was referring to the Masons But Bill has just added this context of his own in order to make it look like this is backing up his claim I like that.

It's garbage. The fact that Bill could operate like this disqualifies him from being someone that can be taken seriously as a provider of information. You can see him manipulating what the listener hears in real time on the show and he knew that he could get away with it because the internet didn't exist like it does now back in 93. Sure didn't. Most people didn't have a copy of Epperson's book and they wouldn't know that Bill is just reading from it wouldn't

it's it's honestly it make I never really thought Bill was someone you should take super seriously sure but I did have an image of him as someone who was like studious yeah yeah you know in the same way that Alex back when he was younger what I mean you can't make VHS documentaries without a lot of work yeah he put in a lot of time at the editing bay and stuff like that yep and I like to imagine Bill in the same kind of way of like he's someone who puts in I had him with a cigarette in front of a typewriter yeah yeah absolutely and this just reveals to me that he's someone who puts in I had him with a cigarette in front of a typewriter.

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And this just reveals to me that he's not even that. Nope. Nope. He's just reading a book. Yeah, he's just a guy who found a couple of conspiracy texts and and wants to yell about him. All right. So you know, when you got a balled up piece of paper, and you got a trash can across the way, right? Maybe you do a turnaround Maybe you do a fade away as the ball of paper leaves your hand you shout Kobe Right we all do it because that's what human beings do now. I don't Swoosh. Oh, you got to yell Kobe. It's the right way. It's the right thing to do. RIP

Maybe this is how he's closing out his his little chap, you know, like mystery Babylon You know, I'm saying like that's how he's doing it He's reading the book and then his last word mystery Babylon as he does a little fadeaway I I wish it was that innocent but like I hear that and I think that he says it because the actual text says Masons. Yeah, and he has to be like, well, I got to get this back on my track more. That's just bullshit. That's fucking take your knee out kind of shit. So a lot of this is just Bill plagiarizing. But I do think it's important to recognize that there are parts that are straight up him. And there are things like this that are

very angry. For those unfamiliar with the Masonic degrees, all Masons in America start through what is called the Blue Lodge, consisting of only three degrees. A Master Mason is of the third degree and really knows nothing even though he thinks that he has been illumined and I get letters from him all the time. I'm a Master Mason and I never heard of any of the stuff that you're talking about Oh Boy Amazes me folks. It just absolutely amazes me that people are so stupid

Drives me wild That's really the most bill has existed on this episode Yeah, most of the shit is him stealing someone else's book and pretending it's his work But that was all Bill the anger the condescension. That's his face He thinks everyone else is so stupid and he's pissed off that anyone would doubt his superior intelligence But the demonstration of his intelligence and wisdom is just him reading another idiot's book It kind of it's kind of the lesson that I'm learning from going through this lecture series is that he's a huge fraud and he's very angry.

Yeah, it is like, because essentially, if you insult me, while you're just reading a book, then what you're really saying is you should read this book. And once you read this book, you will be an equal to me in terms of the information that we share. But if I withhold from you that piece of information. Exactly. That is my, because I'm doing it because I know that if you read that book, then you would have every right to call yourself an equal.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. He's setting you up to be in a subordinate position. Because he likes calling people sheep. Because he likes it. Yeah. Yeah. He wants to appear to be the smartest person and everyone else is fucking stupid

and all you dumb masons stop writing me letters and I'm so mad. Absolutely, and it's only attributable to some books that he has read. So the only thing that he can say to about other people or to or about other people is that I give them the opportunity to read the books that gave me my whatever and they can

either say yes or no. That's it. Like you're smart if you read all my books and you're stupid if you say no and you don't read all my books. That's it. I mean at this point, yeah, it should just be a reading list. Yeah, you have nothing to add to me other than I am dumb for not reading the same books you have read. Right. Yeah. well, I guess that's what he adds is Anger yeah, he adds a little bit of seasoning that is So I think that there's something kind of funny that happens okay, and that is because bill is plagiarizing this text Sometimes he'll go off in little flights of fancy that end up being contradicted by what he's about to write. And so here is just a prime example of that.

The initiate in the Blue Lodge goes through three separate and different initiation ceremonies. One for each degree. After completing these ceremonies, he may stay where he is or choose to affiliate himself with either the York Rite, which has 13 degrees, or the Scottish Rite, which has 32, and then the Meritorious 33rd. The latter is divided into two separate jurisdictions, the Southern and the Northern, and these are based primarily on state borders, and whether one joins one or the other depends on where the initiate lives. The two Scottish rites have an additional 29 degrees, making for a total of 32. There is one more degree called the 33rd degree, which is honorary, and only a few are invited into that degree, and to even be considered, they must perform

some major work toward the completion of the great work which is the plan to bring about turning lead into gold on earth the socialist dream York right has a total of nine degrees however since we will concentrate on only the Scottish right and in particular the southern jurisdiction. Well, I've since discovered that the York right has a total of 13 degrees, folks. Thanks. Not just nine. So, toward the beginning of that clip, Bill says that there are 13 levels in the York right.

Oh, yeah. Which was him riffing away from the text a little bit. He continued reading, not knowing that Epperson later says that the York right has nine degrees, which contradicts what Bill just said. So Bill has to try to correct the ship by saying that he's since learned that the York right has nine degrees, which contradicts what Bill just said. So Bill has to try to correct the ship by saying that he's since learned that the York right has 13 degrees, not nine, which is meant to imply that since the time Bill wrote this lecture that he's delivering, he's discovered that. It feels very weird. It is. It is so amazing how quickly he discovered that. Yeah. He went from not knowing it to

knowing it was wrong to then rediscovering that actually He was right the entire time. Yeah fascinating Yeah, and this could actually be very easily resolved by him being honest about the fact that he's just reading this guy's book Sure and say this is a point of disagreement. We have I've found other information Let me tell you about that other information that I found. Yep found that contradicts the number of levels of York masonry. That also includes another instance of Bill removing Epperson from his own text. Epperson wrote, quote, since little has been revealed about this order, the author will concentrate only on the Scottish right. Bill replaced the words the author with we. This is just a full on pattern. It's not a mistake a mistake that he's making right he's got little lines that he's crossed out yeah

oh I bet he doesn't yeah that's I bet he doesn't I bet he's just a little bit in advance and see like okay that's gonna make it too clear that is a book I always like it whenever ancient orders respect states lines. That's always nice. Whenever it's like, yes, obviously we go all the way back from Egypt to the Ausiris cult, but I mean, look, Louisiana's over here, Tennessee's over here. Those are just the rules. Well, you don't stick around unless you get with the times, you know? Absolutely. I'm sure they don't care about states, but it's fine organization and the organizational

structure that someone else is imposed So like we'll play along all right fine. Okay. All right. This is your Babylon. This matters not to the masons These petty concern hey, they'll just move on we just move forward not worrying too much about it Doesn't matter if there are ancient borders that we should also respect They secretly actually know that North is really South. Those motherfuckers, I knew it. I knew it the whole fucking time. They switched the words in order to fool people so they could laugh at us.

It's almost like- All you stupid people won't even look into it. It's almost like the words are less important than the concepts that the words describe. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So, we have one last clip here of Bill doing more plagiarism. Someone who attempted to zero in on when these changes were expected to occur was Alice Bailey previously mentioned She wrote about when she thought the New Age would arrive Wednesday eventually there will appear the church universal and its definite cut lines will appear towards the close of this century

uncurled And you have already seen the emergence of the Universalist Church." Is that them? Since she wrote early in the 20th century, we can see that she was predicting the eventual arrival of the New Age sometime around the 1990s. This estimate of that date is not too far wrong, as will be demonstrated later in this series of programs." In Epperson's text he says, quote, this estimate of that date is not too far wrong as will be demonstrated later in this book. Bill replaced this book with this series of programs in

an effort to disguise his theft. I think I've been way too complimentary of the idea of him preparing. We've been too generous. Yeah. He does more work than Alex, but this is still... Low bar. We have a hearing. Yeah, he does he does more work than Alex, but this is still low bar this is intensely clunky and I Think I don't know if people had the internet back then he wouldn't be able to play this kind of game I think the content of what he's saying is also not that interesting

Yep, like you can read the first chapter of this guy's book if you want It's mostly just people saying that the New World Order exists those motherfuckers and then saying that the New Age Stuff is is like New World Order because the new it's got new and it's got new in it Yep, every time it always does I don't feel I don't feel like there's anything that's been proved other than Bill is a like I don't feel like there's anything that's been proved other than Bill is a like flagrant plagiarist. I was, so I had put Bill into a different category. There was the pure demagogues, the pure evangelicals, the fires, the brimstones. Those were those guys.

And then I had Bill in a different place in the like, I guess, I suppose the quote unquote intellectual side, the intellectual tradition of like making up bullshit and then reading it to each other in like an oral tradition kind of thing. Yeah. And spreading it around to fundamentally give the fire and brimstone people something to point to. Yeah. He's not even that.

No, he's just a guy who's he's an he's a voiceover guy. Yeah, he's an angry old dude, who is like, just steals shit. Like I, I didn't put it like I think intellectual is a term that I think a lot of people have baggage with and stuff. So I don't want to say that I think he's part of the this intellectual stuff. But I viewed him as someone who like You know you can be

like a Punk sure and then you could be a punk who has a zine and a punk who has a zine that takes effort It does that takes time. You gotta you gotta print those things out. Yep. You gotta you gotta put together What's gonna be on each page? Yep, and I kind of gave Bill credit of being in that camp of like Your your guy who's I don't trust what you're about I think it's kind of shit sure, but I think you're making a zine. Yeah, and I don't think he is anymore I think everything that's in that zine is written by somebody else I think he's just regurgitating shit and claiming it as his own and that kind of bums me out

I I have more respect for the fake version of him and the fake version of Alex that exist in in Pop culture minds. Yep, and the real version of them sucks. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm you know It is version of them sucks. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm you know, it is maybe it is the like, coping mechanism of this douchebaggery is to like, okay, everything we do have sucks. So let's just remember it like it was awesome. You know? Like how much of people now remembering Rush Limbaugh isn't the like day to day, he's just a prick Rush Limbaugh. In their minds it's like remember when Titans used to walk through the radio hallways, you know, like that kind of thing. It's just what they've always done. And I think right now that's what they want Alex to do is go away so you can become

that hallowed old image of something that we can no longer really need to analyze or respond to or anything. Yeah, because it actually sucks. Yeah, it does suck. And the longer it exists, the more apparent it is to everyone that it sucks. Bill Cooper died just in time for most people to not really know he sucks. Yep. And Alex has outlived the point where it's painfully obvious to everyone that he sucks. Yep. Anyway, I want to get to the part in Mystery Babylon where we're talking about witches and spells and stuff and I'm getting a little worried that may not come. I feel like, okay. If we're, we can't go straight from gods to like, then there's a car phone, you know? Like we have to have full on, we at least have to go to, as you're saying, we at least

have to go to witch town. Yeah. You know, we have to go, which side were they on? Are they the witches or are or they people burning the witches sure We got to know all of these or maybe both maybe they're playing both sides against absolutely We got to do Knights Templar sure Knights of Malta. It's all got to be in here. It's all got to be in there Yeah, obviously we ignore the African continent because apparently Mr. Babylon has never been there except for Egypt for a little while and I think they were

maybe in Rhodesia I Don't know some Some common element might be involved. Yeah. I want that. I want all that stuff. And I find, at least at this point, I don't know what the future holds, but at this point I feel more like a teacher grading a report. You know, I feel more like someone who's going to give out a suspension than I am somebody

who's looking at like, all right, here's the information you're talking about. Like I have to go off the beaten track and find George Benson and stuff to be interested in. Yeah. Whereas Bill's just like, you're a thief. You're a thief. You're stealing shit. Yeah.

I remember like when the internet really became the internet and you could just steal whatever the fuck you wanted all the time, you know? That was at the exact same time as I was in university for the first couple of times for lit. And it was so much like, all we have is that you wrote this. So plagiarism means you die. The end, no questions asked, you're gone. Because it's all we have.

Right. And now it feels like that's not the vibe there. Right, and I think that over time, because you just have to make peace with the fact that some people are plagiarists, you kinda have to be like, well, are you artful about it? Right. And Bill is not.

Yeah, absolutely. At the very least, maybe this person gave a little, oh, we're going to mix up our adverbs. You know, something. He's reading it. He's cold reading it. And changing things specifically to obscure that fact. And that's garbage. Disgusting. Anyway, we'll be back with another episode. Yeah. And that's garbage. Disgusting.

Anyway, we'll be back with another episode. Maybe we'll get into witches. Who knows? Let's hope. But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep.

We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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