Knowledge Fight - #1036: Mystery Babylon #6

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan attempt to learn more about the mystery cult that runs the world, as well as Bill Cooper's relationship with plagiarism, and are arguably unsuccessful on both counts.

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I'm Andy and Kansas. I'm a fan of Andy and Kansas. I'm a fan of Andy and Kansas. I'm a fan of Andy and Kansas. I'm a fan of Andy Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex? Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan quick question for you What's up? Which right spot today, buddy? My bright spot is I have some of these peppers going I have some of these bell peppers sure purple and white yeah peppers that I've They've got some fruit growing. Yeah, and I'm excited about that, but there's been one plant I have some Thai peppers. Okay, that just refused to have any fruit mother flowers would come

I try and pollinate them. I try and like hey come on guys. I give them a pep talk plays play a little Barry White Yeah, nothing nothing was working and I just yesterday Yeah, nothing was working. And I just yesterday went and gave him a little check. Got like four peppers. Oh shit! That all popped out around the same time. And so I've got some Thai peppers coming. Yeah, you've got literally a pack of pickled,

or just a pack of regular peppers. Yeah, I'm not gonna pickle them. How many's a pack? 20? It's like a grip. It's like a grip? Mm-hmm. I don't know.

Okay. It's like a whole mess of them. Fair of whole bunch a bunch a bunch of bunches. Gotcha All right, so that's that's fun. I Seeing some patients payoff Yeah, so what's your bright spot? I like it. My bright spot is I went saw my family yesterday Yeah for combination Mother's Day. We didn't get together Easter yeah And I saw my I met my new niece Met my new niece little Phoebe. She's very small. She's a baby. Do you did you figure out where she stands politically?

But she's My wife called her she was wearing like a little onesie thing where the thing that she looked like a sloth didn't go over well. When my wife was like, oh you look like a sloth. People were like, no, no, no, she does not look like a sloth. So political beliefs are... Not a sloth. Not a sloth.

So was it a onesie that was supposed to look like a sloth? No. Oh. No. Okay, so this was your wife's assessment of the onesie as opposed to it being a costume I think baby sloths are very cute sure I Strong strong feelings towards the cuteness of baby sloths Nice that's too fast. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah, I think sloths are cute for the most part, but they do have claws

Cuz they she was wearing the sleeves that had the coverings on so you couldn't see her hands So it looked like she had the long claws. Okay. That was the thing. Okay. Yep, and the family did not enjoy this Uh, just I think maybe it was just my little sister who did not appreciate Being told because your sister thinks that her baby is super fast. I guess it's something along those lines Yeah, seems like a pointless fight to have. Oh, there is no fight. I don't, I wonder if there is something like an animal that's really ugly that you could say that your baby looks like that would be right to take offense at. That's a good question. I don't know because, because at the same simultaneously while we

were there, uh, it was revealed that one of her friends had just had a baby literally that moment and they showed us a picture and everybody was like ah that's a hideous baby. Oh that's an ugly old man faced baby so one I hope they're fans. That baby wasn't there and the parents of the baby weren't there so you can talk all the shit you want right right all right But sloth still doesn't seem like that much of an insult. I don't think it was taken as an insult I think it's just a weird little thing that they had look. I'm invested in mending Listen I understand Well, it's fun. Yeah, do y'all find a bunch of eggs? Do you go on an egg hunt? Candy?

Yep. I, uh, most of the eggs tossed about all over the place. Very easy to find eggs. Main reason being the age of the children, five and two. Yeah. Can't go too complicated. Can't go too complicated there. Is your family a family that uses paws?

The dies? Do you die eggs? No, we do not die eggs. None of that vinegar business. Is your family a family that uses paws? The dyes? Do you dye eggs? No, we do not dye eggs. I grew up trying my hardest to dye eggs. Not an artistically refined family. Everyone tried. We were all covered in dye at the end of it. So every time we did that, it was like a never again thing.

And then finally the never again stuck. Yeah, we would die eggs, but it wouldn't look good. It would be a mess. It's not artistic at all. And then every year, of course, there would be the egg that has a crack in it. So then the inside of the egg has died. And you open it up, and you act surprised.

Every single year, it's like, oh, that happened. Pretending it didn't happen last year? Meh. Anyway, good times. Yeah. Fun. We just use the regular reusable plastic eggs. Sure.

That open on their own and then close up again. Yeah, yeah. Those are good eggs. Yep. So a bad egg is what we're going to talk about today. Oh, shit. Hey. Transitions. is what we're going to talk about today. Oh, shit! Hey!

Transitions! So, our primary ding-dong, Alex, was at a studio on Friday. And so, in, uh, I thought that was an opportunity that we could continue learning about the mystery cult that runs the world through continuing Mystery Babylon.

We're going to talk about Bill Cooper, lecture number six. Do you think Alex is going to Italy to get to the bottom of this Pope business? No, cuz I don't think Leo's in Italy. Hmm. No, I don't think so He's probably dealing with legal matters about his business Yeah, that probably would make sense and how did the Connecticut Supreme Court ruled against him and he's out of move. Sure. That's fair I think that's probably more likely, but we're going to be talking about this at lecture six.

Okay. Even though I think that we were a little bit deflated, quite a bit deflated by the plagiarism of lecture five, I thought, hey, that's no reason to abandon ship just yet. Sure. We may get to witches. It's, God, we need to. So we'll find out if we do today. But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, what's this in my mailbag? Zee-yup, buttons! Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much! Thank you. Next, hey Timothy, thanks for getting me into knowledge fight.

Now go beat Ganondorf in Tears of the Kingdom. You've been putting it off for 500 hours. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And garritzecker.com shouts me out in my website where my writing lives.

Nothing weird, all free. Promise, thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Read the Department of Truth by James Dinian IV. Thank you so much, you're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars go home to your

mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much. So we start off at the beginning of this. Well, I'll say I'll just give you a little bit of unclipped background of stuff that's going on. Bill is promoting a lecture that he's going to be doing at a New Age UFO conference. Fun. And he's defensive about how he's not part of the new age and he's out this whole thing is about how the new age people are

Mystery religion or right? He's like, I'm not part of the new age I'm not into uf ology But anyone will let you go to their conference if you just buy a table So he's going and he's gonna give a lecture about how the mystery religion killed Kennedy Yeah, and I was able to find that lecture. So I might cover it at some point in the future. I Don't know if maybe that's I don't know if maybe we're laughing because It's ridiculous or if I'm laughing because I think that was the exact right move at the time And that's part of a lot of where we are where we are is that those people were like, fuck yeah, I'll go to a new age conference. I don't agree

with any of this bullshit, but I'll spout Nazi shit to them. And then now we're here where they're all Nazis now. Yeah. It's a real smoke them if you got them situation. Anyone who will let me be around maybe, you know, Hey, maybe it's a waste of time, but I get, I remember participating in fundraising drives for charity, like where you would stand next to a bell or whatever, and around Christmas time or whatever. You'd be outside the grocery store and people would put money in the can.

And I remember the mentality of every little bit counts. If someone puts a dime in, that's not small. That's something, it like every little bit counts. Yeah, you know if someone puts a dime in that's not small sure That's something that counts every bit count sure And I think that that's the mentality that bill and these folks had with spreading their information. Yeah Why it's paid off it has so douchebags Bill's plug in this appearance at that conference and then he gets the meat of the show proper Mm-hmm, and he's just reading a Ralph Emerson's book again. Jesus. He's just started off chapter 2 Oh god, something is wrong in America. No doubt about it

There's a new religion appearing many of the calls Many of you call it the New Age religion and it appears to be the exact opposite of the old age religion, meaning the religion of the Jews and the Christians. It's not really that different. I've studied it. I've talked to people who practice it. They claim it's not a religion, but it is. Christ says, Seize to become a man, the Son of God, the actual manifestation of God in the flesh on earth, and has become the consciousness, the Christ consciousness. And anyone can be Christ if they have this Christ consciousness in the New Age religion.

Now, these are the two religions, the Christian religion and the Jewish religion, that set the United States on its course because these religions taught that mankind had some basic human rights. They held that the family was the basic unit in all of the world. They believed in the right to private property. They believed in the unalienable, which is defined as being incapable of being surrendered, right to life. They held that each person had the right to worship their God, and they held that all

had the right to freedom of association, as shall be so disclosed during this series. These positions were deemed to be self-evident by those who wrote the American Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. So right off the bat, Bill is up to his old tricks covering up this plagiarism. The original text said, quote, as shall be documented in this study, which you can hear Bill editing as he reads at the end there when he changed documented to disclosed and this study to this series. It's very intentional.

And yeah, this episode in particular ends up becoming really confusing on this front. On account of it's supposed to be a book that you're reading, but instead a man is reading it to you while pretending that it's not a book. Yes Yeah, that is a unique experience. There are distinct choices that are made in order to obscure the fact that this is a book Yeah And that's that's not cool. That's not no I wonder I wonder if you could get away with like a TV show that is really just one guy reading a book but there would be

a full on like actors, like actors, there would be sets, there would be all of that stuff and they would just be mouthing the whole thing. And that's kind of what I'm feeling like we're experiencing here. Yeah. Is it transformative? Not really. No. So he reads on, there's a quote about the new age being against Christianity, stuff from Nietzsche. Ooh. Frederick Wilhelm Nietzsche, a German philosopher and one of the teachers of many of the world's

leading communist revolutionaries and international socialists, put the argument quite succinctly in this statement, quote, I condemn Christianity. I raise against the Christian Church the most terrible of all accusations that any accuser uttered. It is to me the highest conceivable corruption." Remember, the priests, the initiates of the Mystery Schools, believe that Christianity is a corruption of the mysteries, the worship of Lucifer, represented by the sun, the light, Osiris. So that Nietzsche quote is from his book The Antichrist, and it's not about Osiris. I don't think it's a controversial take to say that Nietzsche wasn't super into God,

but I don't know what this has to do with the New Age kind of stuff. This is great, this is someone who is attacking Christianity, that's for sure. But it doesn't relate to the larger theme, the larger premise. Yeah, I mean, I feel like now that we live in a world of the internet, where there's like everybody can always be talking, right? Instead of back in the day where there were so many gatekeepers that if you even published a book like something that Nietzsche wrote, you know, he was hot in argument circles at the time kind of thing.

And now it feels like if you brought him to the present day, he's just an edgelord, you know? He's just another one of those shit talkers on Twitter. And that was cool. And now he's useful for the other people who want to talk shit on Twitter about yeah, I don't know I don't know. I don't know if he's just an edge lord, but I get I get what you mean There's there's a bit of like a lot of the he said a lot of inflammatory. Yeah Yeah, you you you're full of shit, man

You don't believe that you're just trying to get clicks and you're and and these people like Bill and you know whoever are using those inflammatory things in order to right sidestep discussing what is being discussed although it is fairly close I mean you did yeah he did hate Christianity right sure no look no argument here don't know if he is from Egypt all that mystery school stuff I don't know where the connection is there, but yes, fine, Egypt. I really feel like, and maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just wrong about this, but I feel like whoever has the claim to like the oldest possible religion has like a head start, right? I feel like they have a head start on reality or on their reality or on their religion

being true. If it was the very first one that people thought of Especially if Bill's argument is that this one predates Christianity, right? Then it does seem I think that he doesn't deal with that enough. Yeah, I feel like it should be more important Yeah, so we got an itchy quote. Sure, and then we got another quote from another guy who's very cool Oh Text Mars an author who has written in opposition to the New Age, wrote this about their hatred of the Christians. Quote, the New Age believers told you could be a god in the next instant if only those

horrible Christians weren't around with their poisonous attitudes. End quote. So Tex Mars isn't just someone who is opposed to the New Age religious ideas. He was a raging anti-Semite. Here's a bit from the blurb he used to sell his book, Holy Serpent of the Jews. Quote, Jesus once declared, ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Amazingly, the Jews have proven to be exactly what Jesus prophesied.

They're the people of the serpent, unregenerated hypocrites whose religion is unparalleled in its treachery, its wickedness, and its unbounded filth. So far Bill is just reading Epperson's book which has been a niche-y quote and a quote from a huge bigot. Not sure if this makes any point about the mystery religion but I'm sure it'll all make sense down the road. Like I think that you have to understand some of Tex Mars's shit within the context of sometimes he was talking about the new age as a proxy because he wasn't doing his open anti-Semitic stuff at certain points in his career. And Bill, you should know better.

Yeah, for all, for whatever, you know, for my Nietzsche analog, Tex Mars should be a gamer tag. Like his name should just be Tex Mars hates Jews 69 69. Like he's just a piece of shit. Yeah. And these people don't, they use them as a source freely and that's pretty shameful. So socialists hate Christianity. They hate it. They've declared war So the socialist the New Ager and the Mason have declared war on the Christians And as in every war the enemy must be defeated even by bloodshed if necessary

This war has deep roots in history and I will cover those roots so that you will understand it perfectly where you want This war is no different. Bloodshed is anticipated by all parties in the battle. LaVetti Lafferty and Bud Hollowell, two New Agers, started the discussion about how their religion sanctions the use of violence against the Christian community. They wrote the following in their book entitled The Eternal Dance, quote, This is a time of opportunity for those who will take it, apparently meaning the New Agers, the initiates of the mystery religions, socialists, for others, apparently the Christians, if the earth is unsuitable for them, if they

will not accept the New Age religion, they will go on to other worlds." Which simply means they will be exterminated. Is that what it means? You better listen to me, folks. I am a messenger and my message is unmistakable and it had better not fall upon deaf ears, for those deaf ears will be rendered dead in the coming New World Order. That quote that Bill reads is a really interesting one because it doesn't really imply that

people who aren't into the New Age will be exterminated. It says they quote, will go on to other worlds. That could mean they'll go live on Mars or something. It's not a scary quote and Bill could probably find something with a little more weight behind it except that he's just reading Epperson's book and this is the quote that Epperson included. That part at the end, though, after the quote, that's Bill riffing. And it shows that narcissistic flair and hatred of the stupid people. He's just stealing someone else's book, and he has the nerve to ramble about how he's

the messenger bringing humanity this important information that humans are too stupid to realize. Wild. Yeah. He's, uh, he has a lot of that in him. These stupid people. Yeah, that's, that's rough. That's rough. You will die if you don't listen to me.

Like I respect the, I respect the position that you're in being a, a Epperson or wherever. And you're like, well, if they say go on to other worlds, that's fairly easy to like slant rhyme your way into that's genocide. But man, that misses all the vibes that new age brings to just about everything. Sure. And Epperson in his text does end up having more quotes of people who are like the people who do not enter the enlightenment will not be suited to survive in the new. Sure. That makes more sense Yeah, those kinds of quotes are more like you're gonna die if you don't evolve. Yeah Adapter die. Yeah. Yeah, so there are those which he's trying to tie to this one, right?

But it doesn't it doesn't all naturally flow together Yeah, and I think that was just I I bring this up because I think that Bill is selling this as an example of that Yeah, it isn't that no no no he's he's bound to the text in a way that he's not really making sense Yeah, this this new age II kind of thing. Yeah, it's a there's a lot of tone in there You got to have a lot of tone to make it clear. Yeah, so Bill reads here from I mean mean it's just Epperson, but it's about a pamphlet. Oh no! Another example of New Age thinking on this vital issue came from a pamphlet available in a bookstore selling New Age material.

It was published by something called the Guardian Action Publications of New Mexico and it was entitled Cosmic Countdown. This pamphlet alleged that it had received these thoughts from something called higher intelligence, and it directed its attention to the hunger-disease problem in the Third World, and the pamphlet simply stated, Quote, The world should be forewarned to be only look out for diseases which have been suppressed for years, suddenly rearing their ugly heads and decimating populations already on the verge of starvation in the Third World Nations.

Although these peoples will eventually be replaced by the new root race about to make its appearance in a newly cleansed world, nevertheless, for the moment, this is a tragedy." You see, they have made incredible admissions, but none of you are looking, none of you are reading, none of you are absorbing. In fact most of you are so stupid that you think that the only thing you should read is what you personally believe in or agree with. So that anger at stupid people, that's all Bill. But the rest of it is him just reading Epperson who apparently thinks he's found very important

to sourcing in a random bookstore He found a pamphlet called Cosmic Countdown put out by someone called the Guardian Action Publications of New Mexico Sure, is this a source that means anything? Should we really take this all that seriously? So this is an interesting instance of double plagiarism So this is an interesting instance of double plagiarism. Epperson is citing this bit in his book, but what he's actually doing is stealing a chunk from Constance Cumbie's book, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, which I know predated Epperson because Epperson cited the book in the last episode that we went over. This part is just taken from her book, which she attributes to a pamphlet that she saw

in a bookstore in 1982. Oh for fuck's sake. Epperson stole this from her and Bill is now stealing it from Epperson. Great. And what's at the core of it is just some nonsense pamphlet of somebody who talked to an alien. Yeah I resent, I resent them bringing up a pamphlet period. I resent being forced to speak about pamphlets. I don't think anything that comes in a pamphlet. It's the exact wrong size for any amount of information

Yeah, the word is incorrect pamphlet terrible hate it Even if there wasn't like this dubious chain of custody for the information and it was presented totally appropriately now, you're right It's still just a pamphlet that someone found. Who cares? I've seen so much crazy shit at independent bookstores and don't really take it seriously as the plotting of the enemy or something. No, it is a literary version of like, can you believe what this fortune cookie says?

Like, fuck you, if you're coming at me with a pamphlet, fuck you. Yeah, and coming at me with a pamphlet, fuck you. Yeah. And I would criticize Bill a little more, except he's just reading a book. So he didn't choose to include this. The guy who wrote the book did. Right. Which means either he should be criticized a little bit less or a lot more. I think a little bit less on one count and a lot more on another. There's no editorial oversight. Especially if you're closing it out with, you think the only thing worth reading is what you think is worth reading!

Yeah. Have you ever read that pamphlet, Bill? What are you doing? What are we doing? What's everybody doing right now? I did find this pamphlet on eBay, but someone had already bought it. Motherfucker. I was thinking about buying a copy of it. I did find this pamphlet yeah on eBay, but someone had already bought it I was thinking about buying a copy of it. What's going on with this cosmic countdown that clearly was real. Yeah, so Bill goes on to show that the New Agers are talking about the physical death of the enemy one must only search the writings of other New Agers

Another believer to write on the subject of the destruction of those who will not accept the new religion was Ruth Montgomery, and she has been quoted as saying in a transcribed interview carried by a magazine called Magical Blend, quote, ''Millions will survive and millions won't. Those who won't will go into the spirit state because there is truly no death.'' Estimates of the number to perish have been made by some New Agers. One who has made such an estimate is John Randolph Price, who was quoted by Tex Mars in his book about the New Age, and he said that, quote, John Randolph Price was told by his spirit guide that up to two and one-half billion might perish in the coming chaos." And we already know that the goal of the plan called Global 2000 is to deplete the population by two billion people by the year 2000.

How'd that go? We at TexMars noted a lunatic anti-Semite who's quoting this other guy who apparently heard from his spirit guide. Yep. What are we doing? What are we doing? Yeah Quoting random pamphlets from bookstores that Bill's never read right some guy's fucking spirit guide Also cares you're you're at a if you're at a New Age party, right? everybody's fucking doing their own thing and then there's the guy who's like, you know the future's gonna be fucked up

and everybody's like, man, you're having your own vibes. You get the fuck away from here. And now Tex Mars is making that guy the representative for everybody at this party? Fuck you, man. That guy's the creep. Yeah, my spirit guy told me fuck you. You gotta get outta here, man.

And I think that if you're somebody who's like trying to take seriously your obligation to prove that there's a mystery cult that runs the world yeah these are embarrassing data points yeah yeah yeah at the very least have a little bit more humility than all of you dumb-dumbs don't read the books I read again because he did not read that pamphlet. Yes, exactly. If you'd read that pamphlet. Maybe.

I still wouldn't care, but it would be a little bit closer to like, you earned that you people are stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you're an asshole. Yeah, total asshole. So we get to some other sources about this new age stuff. And I thought that this was a really interesting one too.

Okay. In Weishaupt, folks was aware of the enormous power of government. Talking about Adam Weishaupt, the Illuminati fame. Sure. And he desired its power for his members. He committed his organization to its infiltration. Then he committed it to unspeakable purposes, anything that would further the goal of the Illuminati. He even went on to grant permission to his members to distort the truth by lying, if

it would further their goals. He wrote this, quote, "'There must not a single purpose ever come in sight that may betray our aims against religion and the state. One must speak sometimes one way and sometimes another, but so as never to contradict ourselves and so that with respect to our true way of thinking we may be impenetrable." When you wonder why politicians continually lie and continually break their promises, and no matter who you elect, Republican or Democrat, it doesn't make any difference.

Perhaps a perfect example of an oath that these initiates take somewhere along the road to the pinnacle inside the Secret Society was given in a book written by George Orwell entitled 1984. Mr. Orwell has an initiate into a secret society called The Brotherhood in his story asked these questions, quote, Are you prepared to give your life? Are you prepared to commit murder? Are you prepared to commit acts of sabotage which may cause the death of hundreds of innocent people? Are you prepared to betray your country to foreign powers? Are you prepared to cheat, to forge, to blackmail, to corrupt the minds of children, to distribute

habit-forming drugs, to encourage prostitution, to disseminate venereal diseases, to do anything which is likely to cause demoralization and weaken the power of the people? Sounds like it. Are you prepared to commit suicide if and when we order you to do so? Yes. This, folks, is an example of the philosophy that the ends justify the means. The initiate should do as he was required as long as the act benefited the brotherhood.

There is no morality under such an oath. So Bill just jumps from something Adam Weishaupt allegedly said over to a passage from George Orwell's fictional book, 1984 Yeah, this isn't good work It is a blending sources in a way that doesn't distinguish between what's real and what's made up Blurring that line is a really critical part of the conspiracy theory dissemination Which is why you see it so consistently with Bill and Alex Adam Weishaupt was a real person and the Illuminati that he founded was real however

tons of lore has been built up around it to the point where if you're talking to someone and they bring him up, you never really know if what they're saying is based on something real or something from a pamphlet they found at a bookstore. So citing him is dicey ground, but it's meant to signal to something that's real. It's nonfiction. But 1984 was fiction. The Brotherhood didn't exist and this oath that the Initiate is made to give isn't real. It feels real because it's well-written fiction that mirrors

elements of the real world and feelings that people have about the callousness of people in powerful positions, but it's not something that you can use as a reference to make a point about a real secret society that you're trying to discuss and unveil in this lecture series. Saying these people are like the Brotherhood is fine and I wouldn't really complain too much about that but this is a passage where evidence is supposed to be being presented and including this here is just shit. Ultimately Bill is still just reading Epperson so my criticism is really for Epperson but Bill's gonna take the heat because he chose to steal

bad work. Yeah. He chose to steal garbage and that reflects poorly upon him. Yeah. Yeah, you're the worst raccoon Yeah, I here's my pitch. All right, we got to figure out a way to do some sort of like You know like crop rotation, you know, like if you if you plant corn all the time You're gonna suck out all the stuff You gotta plant soybeans and then you got to plant, you know, you got corn all the time, you're going to suck out all the stuff. The nutrients and stuff. So you've got to plant soybeans and then you've got to plant, you know, you've got to rotate the crops. We've got to do that with our dystopias. We can't, nobody can talk about 1984 anymore.

Five-year moratorium, pick a different one. For the next, until 2030, you can't talk about 1984. Did you like how earlier Bill referenced global 2000? Right? Agenda 2000? Right? Agenda 21. Right? Agenda 2030. That was maybe the obsession before it, before Agenda 21.

Jesus. Came along. Yep. Yeah, it would be good if we had a different hellscape. Just pick one. I think we should just start talking about the giver more. Let's just start talking about the giver. Ah, how do they make those memories going through the guy's hands? Hmm? Yeah, all right

Yeah, let's let's obsess about that. No, that was predictive programming. I think it's important So I've realized that Bill he structures his show in such a way that he just goes He takes a break whenever he hits the end of a chapter, right? So he's reading this chapter and then he plays a song. Oh, God. But this callous disregard for the right to life of every human on the face of the earth has been predicted before in the New Testament. John was moved to right in John chapter 6 verse 12, quote, yea, the time cometh that

whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God's service." The New World Order, ladies and gentlemen, will sail in on a sea of blood. We have to take a short break now, Lisa. So he goes to break and he plays another song from the Simpson Sing the Blues album. He's singing, yeah, it's Lisa's version of God Bless the Child. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah. I heard that.

That was strange. Yeah, he plays more of it, but I didn't want to risk any kind of copyright. He did that on purpose. Yeah. And he did. Well, because he played the Mr. Burns and Smithers song on the last episode and now he's played Lisa He likes I think he likes that album very eclectic. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he has rights to play the no I do not think so. Yeah, I don't know if Matt Groening would be interested in that but I do I do Enjoy how basically just goes to he ends his segments whenever there's nothing left to steal He's come to the end of the chapter

Now i'm gonna play this simpson's song. That's so crazy to me. Yeah, that's that's like I don't I don't know what the explanation for All of what he's doing really is, you know like if I sat down and we're like, okay, get rid of all of the trappings of you being a radio show host or any of that bullshit and just like, tell me your plan. I'm going to read this book on the radio and lie and act like I'm saying these things. Yeah. Right. I don't understand though, how you don't know that if you have a chapter break and then play a song, it is far easier for

me to catch up with the whole you're reading a book thing. Well, it is now, but like at any point it would be just as easy if all you had access to was like this. If you have the book or you don't. Sure. You know, I guess that's fair. I think I don't think it's any more or less brazen in the in a time when it would be much harder to track down Like what are you saying? Yeah, I think it's weird that he's playing Simpsons songs. I think that no no I agree

I that's that feels like one of those just idiosyncrasies that some people just it comes out somewhere Oh, I thought they were supposed to have been the ones who like really destroyed the family the bills so the ones who like really destroyed the family that Bill so cares a lot about. I recall not being encouraged to watch The Simpsons because of their immorality. Yeah. Weird. So, he goes to break and plays Lisa Sings the Blues. Sure.

And then he comes back and I was like, motherfucker, you're just reading chapter three of this book. Oh my god. Well, let's continue here. The New Age religion folks is going to have a worldwide leader, a charismatic political and religious leader that they call Lord Maitreya, at least so far that's who they call him or that's what they call him. This individual, as far as I know, has not made his public appearance yet, but the New Agers claim that he is on the earth at the present time.

Oh my god. We gotta worry about Lord Maitreya. Bummer. Yeah. That's a rough one. Well that's what the third chapter is about, so that's what we're gonna be talking about. On top of everything else. Lord Maitreya.

On top of everything else we got going on, now we got Lord Maitreya. Yeah. And guess what? This motherfucker. Yeah. This Lord Maitreya. Yeah, and guess what this motherfucker? Yeah, this Lord Maitreya guy. No what well I guess it depends on your perspective But I will tell you that he's got a fucking army Mars has quoted this individual is saying quote my army is ready for battle my Masters of wisdom and myself at the head that battle will be fought for the continuance of man on this earth. Rest assured that my army shall triumph." Well, it appears that

the battle to be fought between the followers of Lord Maitreya and the rest of humanity is still in the future. But at least one of the participants has an army already prepared. How about you? That's scary. Some Nazi has told me that a make-believe guy has an army. Ah, yeah. I mean, I strongly suggest that I'm not going to be afraid of an army until I have at the very least some evidence that this army exists. Or the person who's in charge of it is real and not the imagined fantasies of a Nazi? No, I trust anybody who has masters of wisdom by his side leaving an army. I just don't know about the size of the army.

You know? Sure. You know, army is a relative term. Sometimes there's some pretty small armies. But then again... There's an army of one, I've heard from the TV. That's true. Every single soldier is's an army of one I've heard you know from the TV that's true every single soldier is but an army of one and you can't underestimate something just based on its size we learned this from Opley

sure that's true that is true yeah so I think you do be wise to learn my trans he was in he was in play yeah yep he had something to do with Xerxes or something I like like that. Yeah, I don't know. They got an army though, and I don't care I don't care about any of this. No, no, it's very strange. It's very strange what we're doing here So Bill confuses me a little bit by he's talking about one of these new age people making predictions Okay, and he confuses me with his tone predictions. Okay. And he confuses me with his tone. One who claims to have seen the birth in a vision of someone who seems to fulfill the

requirements of this mitraea was astrologer Jean Dixon. Her major claim to being a prophet is her prediction reportedly made before the event of the assassination of President John Kennedy in 1963. However, her credentials were dealt a serious blow in 1968 when she also prophesied that the Soviet Union would be the first to put a man on the moon. Another of her prophecies was that the Republican Party would be victorious in 1968. And it was with the election of Richard Nixon, a Republican, but she also predicted that within the following decade, 1970 to 1979, the two-party system, as we have known, will vanish from the American scene. She further predicted that Richard and Nixon had excellent

vibrations for the good of America and would serve the country well. So you can see that she's a very accurate person from which to judge the course of the future. What? You want to know the truth folks? I am the most accurate prophet of future events in history. In history. Oh, okay. Wait, what? How do- are we just ending with that? Yeah, that wasn't that wasn't part of the text that he's

More of a big brag that he decided to throw in weird side And I kind of I don't know if you'll agree with me fully But I feel like he shouldn't be laughing at this person's failed predictions because he's supposed to be making me feel scared of these New Age people and the mystical powers of Lord Maitreya. Yeah. If they can't do shit and they don't have powers I'm not scared of them and I don't care about raising up an army to kill people who leaves like pamphlets at random bookstores. The idea that Gene Dixon is a fake prophet and was wrong about stuff actually I feel like it works against Bill's larger thesis.

But then again, he's just reading someone else's book. So he doesn't have control over the content that he's gonna read, but like they should have some powers. Yeah. Right? Yeah, no, I mean, look, okay. All right, all right, so like, if your God is real, right?

And you're wearing your armor of God, right, you're not afraid of not real gods. That's the idea. Mm-hmm. Because you've got the real one, right? But if there's multiple, if you've got like a good pantheon, bad pantheon, then you're just in the, you're in the balance, you know? You're trying to pick somebody who's on your team without the devil or without, you know, if a new age guy is just an asshole who's talking shit, then I should then by being afraid of him, I'm blaspheming my own God. You know? Yeah, I guess, I guess the feeling that I have is more just like,

the, this is supposed to be something that goes back to like you, he was talking about them being able to do magic in a past Exactly. So like if it's not and there's just random shit like they don't can't predict anything. They don't really do magic You shouldn't be laughing at them. You should take this deadly serious Absolutely can do magic God can do magic magic people can do magic. This is a this is a fight Yeah, you know like if the magic people are just talking shit. God can do magic man is a this is a fight yeah you know like if the magic people are just talking shit God can do magic man my magic wins yeah and Bill said that he's the most accurate prophet so he should take prophecy what are we doing I can laugh at both of them because I don't believe either of them

are probably that easy shit but Bill should his tone just I don't get it it's I mean yeah but it's it happens every time it happens every time somebody's like haha can you believe those idiots believe that? And then you interrogate what they believe and you're like, I don't know if you should be doing that. Yeah, that does happen a lot. So Bill does some more plagiarism-y stuff here. But in any event, Ruth Montgomery wrote a book

about her entitled The Gifts of Prophecy in which she wrote about the very revealing and intriguing vision that Gene Dixon allegedly had. Quote, The vision, which Gene considers the most significant and soul-stirring of her life, occurred on February 5, 1962. She saw the brightest sun she had ever seen. Isn't it funny how the sun always pops into this stuff? Now remember that reference to the sun, folks. So in the original text from Epperson, there's a parenthetical comment that says, quote,

the reader is X to remember this reference to the sun. Bill wanted to retain the point of that comment because it loops back to his Egypt shit from earlier episodes, but he knows that if he said the reader, it would become clear that he was reading a text that was meant to be read, not like a script for a radio show that he could have written. It feels like it's flogging a dead horse a little bit at this point, but I feel like instances like this are clear. There's an intent to them. And that's why this is so fucked up

Yeah, cuz we get to the end of this episode he finishes chapter 3 and then here is what he says at the end Ladies and gentlemen dear listeners so that you would realize that I'm not making any of this up I took last night's program and tonight's program verbatim from the introduction all the way through Chapter 3 of a book entitled, The New World Order by my good friend A Ralph Epperson. Again, the title of the book is The New World Order by A Ralph Epperson and you can order that book in any good bookstore. If you can't find it in your area, contact us and we will make arrangements with Ms.

Epperson to be able to furnish that book to you if you would like to purchase it. I also recommend that you purchase my book, Behold a Pale Horse. It's a handbook for what's going to happen in the coming years, especially in this country. And without it, you will be crippled. If you would like to purchase my book, behold a pale horse. If you're a catchy member, send $25. That includes postage and handling.

If you're not a catchy member, send $30. That includes postage and handling. So he says that he's just read from this guy's book, but I also feel like it's a ploy to sell his book I feel like it's part of an ad The discussing that I took this from a book, but he also says I read verbatim. Yeah, and that's not true That's a lie. He editorialized considerably. Oh, totally. Along the way.

Totally. And also, he does not say I had permission. There's no indication of permission from Epperson, just an acknowledgement here. This is not the right place for it. He didn't make it clear on the other episode. Right. I don't know, man. This is weird. Did I mean, maybe Epperson called him out for it. No, I don't think so. It seems it seems hard to believe. But at the same time, his argument for why

he did it apparently was so I would know he's not making anything up. Yeah. Which is an insane argument for why you would just read verbatim somebody else's book Yeah, as if you were saying it. Yeah, he means this to almost be a little bit of a reveal like a ta-da Right, but that's not you guys all thought that I was just saying these things, right? Did we I didn't? We're plagiarizing something So he yeah the reveal in the audience's mind is supposed to be like, Oh my god, this isn't just Bill. He's reading a book, right? That

someone published. I guess I guess that's what it's supposed to be. But even still, that doesn't get him off the hook for the ways he changed the text in order to present it as his own exactly along the way Like it's still there's still intent. This is this is a true curveball. I genuinely don't understand That's what I'm saying. This is this like I I'm trying to think because I do think that he has I Like if I was talking to him He would be able to explain in a way that makes sense to him what it is that he's doing, right? And so I'm trying to reverse engineer something that would make sense to this person and I don't I can't think of anything for this one It's hard. It's hard and I think that

You also run into like what is gained by this little trick. That's whatever. yeah, and I don't think that these Passages that he stole were so important to proving his mystery Babylon stuff like What's with this pamphlet? I don't care. Yeah, I don't care about Lord Maitreya. What are you talking about? Also, if okay, so you were reading this to me, so I would know that you're not just making this up. Okay. So that guy made it up. Yeah, exactly. Right. Right?

What are we doing here? What is, you're just reading, okay, so you're not even taking responsibility for the bullshit that you're spouting at me. Right. Is that what's happening? It's, it's insane. This is insane! That is such a, I swear, that makes less sense to me than anything that's happened's insane. This is insane. That is such a I I swear that makes

Less sense to me than anything that's happened so far is that him revealing? Aha, actually I've been stealing yeah what and it also doesn't take into account the other stuff that he's plagiarized Yeah, like he this is it's not just this book No, he's he's done that with even in the Mystery Babylon series. So like, it does... Yeah, I'm completely confused. Inexplicable. Yeah, I am flabbergasted.

I think that this doesn't get him off the hook for the behaviors. For sure. It is a weird move. And because he goes on to describe how you can buy his book, I think some of it is the intention of revealing like, this is all from a book and you can buy my book. I think some of it is the intention of revealing like this is all from a book and you can buy my book. Right. I think there's a there's a salesy aspect. I can see that I can see that. I just man. Inexplicable. It's very weird. He's a weird guy. Yeah. He's a weird guy. Yeah. So you have one last clip after he has come clean about this. What a

weird choice! This is going to make you even more confused. How is that possible? Because I think there's something to build speaking from the heart. Folks, we are nearing the end of the road of civilization as we know it unless we wake up. Unless we take control and make sure the future is what we know it unless we wake up, unless we take control and make sure the future is what we want it to be.

One of the things that we must do now, immediately, is stop fighting amongst each other. Stop fighting the man who doesn't look like you, or the woman who doesn't look like you, the people who have a different skin color than you do. We must learn to live together, and it's nobody else's business what somebody else's religion is. It doesn't hurt us if they want to practice their religion as long as they are not hurting us in the process. So why go to war with them?

We are all brothers and sisters in this world, no matter who we are. Let's learn to live together and love each other. Good night and God bless each and every one of you. I like it so confusing, the reason I go wrong Because it's funny feeling, staying home before I die More Simpson songs Yeah, I was like, God, I know this is gonna be, I know, AHHHH Get those voices in, come on, let's do this Yep

But yeah, this is where the Bill Cooper of it all is very confusing Yeah, because on some level he does have a full-throated Like fuck this racist shit sure like you know we got to learn to live together sure most of what he ends up perpetuating and sporting is Not in line with that Yeah, and he's promoting and relying on sources like Tex Mars which undercut his is seeming interest in living together sure but That message choosing to end the show with that is pretty it means something right?

It does it no, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know with that is pretty, it means something, right? Does it? No, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I guess it starts, like that's, to me, that message from Bill Cooper, that's what we should view America as. Like that is it. That is the all men are created equal.

Eh, not black people. Women aren't allowed. And like, we'll just pick and choose when and if everybody's created equal. But when I wanna feel like I'm a good person. When I wanna feel like I'm an enlightenment era thinker. I'm not just out here fuckin', I'm talking about Aristotle and shit, you know?

That's whenever I can tell you that we need to stop fighting each other. It doesn't matter what race you are, no women still. But no, it doesn't matter what race, you know? It's crazy. Yeah. It's still a weird thing to hear. On its face, if you take away all of the baggage that's around it, it's a positive message.

Sure. You don't expect militia, right wing, weirdo. No, I mean, it could be argued, maybe even convincingly, that regardless of the sincerity of that, like all rights, all of us are created equal being a thing, by making it the end goal, by making it something that the arrow is pointing towards it is good regardless of the fact that it came from slave owning pieces of shit you know but at the same time slave owning pieces of shit can go fuck themselves you know like

it's such a weird it's such a weird contradiction to have of like in order for a to be good it must be divorced from everything else that the slave holding pieces of shit like held and i i think that that's the piece that the reason that it becomes kind of hypocritical is the refusal to let go of that stuff yeah while pretending to care about this stuff yeah and that's that's that's difficult But also I think that there's an inherent contradiction of like him being a grip to be tolerant of everyone else's religion Yeah, this is part six of my 30 part series on a mystery religion exactly It's it's like if if you believe in religious tolerance to the extent that you do. What is why are you? I don't have any real evidence from anything that I've heard so far that this quote unquote alleged mystery Babylon religion is somehow

outside of that scope of what should be covered by religious tolerance. No, it is 100% that first amendment like, oh, everybody can practice any religion they want to, all kinds of Christianity, Catholic and non. You got all of them. You can practice. What? Are there more? No, no, no, no, no, no. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. It's very strange. But I guess if you can interpret any other religion as being a threat to your ability to practice your religion, then the freedom of religion doesn't exist. So all of those high-minded ideals kind of go away if you're able to frame something as being a threat. Yeah, no, there's definitely in that

little message like 15 different loopholes that you can find where it's like, as long as it's not a threat to our... Well, what do you define as a threat to us being? And then is it just via their existence and then we're all... Yeah. Yeah. It still sounds better than a lot of Tex Mars stuff. That's true. So like, I guess it's damning with faint praise, but like, it's a good... You did an impression of someone who sounds alright, Bill. It's something like it.

So we come to the end of this, I'm more confused than ever about the nature of his plagiarism. I don't know what I think anymore. I know that I don't know what I think anymore. I know that I don't know anything about mystery religion. I know that we are way off track from what was in theory something about Osiris and the sun and all this and then we jumped to New World Order and then we were now on New Age movements and Lord Maitreya. I don't I don't know what I'm supposed to be learning and and I'm supposed to be like whoa this guy's reading Mm-hmm which proves that he's not making it up which makes less sense to me than anything right but now that he's given that Charade away, or he's lifted that curtain right next episode, if he's plagiarizing again,

that looks really bad. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess we'll have to find out what he does, what his strategy is on the on episode seven. I you know what? I would. Okay. This is a this is a con. This is one of those cons that youans that you would say never ever works, but works sometimes. They're like, I'm lying to you. That's why you can trust me, Khan. Where you're like, if you just got that the man said he's lying to you, he's going to lie to you again. We walk away. You know? Yeah. He's been willing on multiple episodes to present this material as his own. And now he's like, haha.

No, you're just a liar. No, you're a liar. You lied to me. Yeah. Yeah. We're done here. Get out of here. I'm not done. I'm going to see what else.

No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about being conned. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, his audience probably just thought like, oh my God, he didn't make it up. Wow. He's even more truth telling.

Yeah. So we'll see what happens in installment seven. But until then, we have website. Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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