Knowledge Fight - #198: July 22, 2011

Episode Date: August 27, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan about how Sonja from Sweden requested they talk about a specific day from history.  The gents wrestle with one of the worst terrorists probably ever, and make sense of why life is worth living even though he is allowed to live.

policy walk. Hey everybody, Dan here. I just wanted to step in real quick before we start the actual episode because there's something going on here in Chicago, Illinois, that I would like to draw everyone's attention to. This episode's coming out on Monday, but on Tuesday night. If you are in Chicago, if you're one of our listeners who's in Chicago, I would like to very strongly recommend that you consider coming out on Tuesday night to at North Bar. I don't know, I think it starts at eight. Who knows? Look it up. Maybe show up at like seven thirty. That's the safest way to do it. There is an awesome show that's going on there. Dear friends of the show, far out in I-9, a couple of great rappers are going to be in

town doing a show there. Jordan and I will both be out in attendance, having a great time. There's going to be some comedians who are friends of the show, people like a Matt Riggs, people like a Joe Fernandez. He's not been on the show, but he has been invited. Now I'm getting petty. He's too busy. But it's going to be a great show if you are considering something to do on Tuesday night. It starts early, so if you have to go to work on Wednesday, still an option for you. If you want to come, we'd all love to see you there. There's a lot of talent on that lineup. It's going to be an amazing show. Please consider coming. But beyond that, please get ready to have a very heavy episode of the podcast, thrust into your ears. Anyway, I love you all. I'm a policy wonk. Andy

and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Dan, when was the last time you ate sushi? Never. You've never eaten sushi? When I was much younger and I didn't like it. Like I looked at a lot of sushi. No, that was just fish. No, they had it in the... They were flying fish. Well, but they were wrapped in seaweed. So it counts. You know, you have Musubi down there in Nahuatl. A lot of sushi flying around and then also one of the big things they like to do is make spam Musubi. So you'd have rice wrapped

around spam with seaweed around it. It was gross. Yeah, I remember reading or watching something on the prolificacy of spam in certain areas. They love it. It was like, hmm, that's odd. They love it in Hawaii. Like in Japan too. Yeah, can't get enough of that damn spam. Strange. Anyways, you should try more sushi. Nope. So what you could say is that I know a lot about sushi and you don't know anything about it. I know things about it. I clearly you don't if you don't like it. Yeah, well, that's an issue. Look, not everybody has to eat fish. Some people can just eat poultry and be totally cool about it. But yeah, in the same way, I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. Today, we've got a very interesting episode to go over. But before we get

to it, what I would like to do. So I'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new donors who are signed up with the team. Very excited about this. First, like to say thank you to New Policy Wonk. Vanessa, thank you for joining the team. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you, Vanessa. We appreciate it also very much. Yes, thank you. And also would like to give a shout out to someone who came in on a little bit of a elevated level. Came in hot. Let's say yes. Absolutely. Like to say thank you so much and congratulate Nick on becoming a globalist. I'm a Policy Wonk. Four stars. Go home and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Thank you so much, Nick. Thank you so much, Nick. If you would like to support the show,

you can go to our website, KnowledgeFight.com, click that button, say support the show. We would appreciate it very much. Indeed. So Jordan, today I wanted to get into the voicemail bag and dig around a little bit. Here's some messages from the listeners. But we can't. There's too much business to get a... God damn it, Dad. Look, I'm sorry. We'll get to some messages down the road. This is the bracket all over again. It's not... This is the bracket up. It's not. It's just, it turns out that sometimes we don't have as much time to dilly-dally on the show that duty calls. And that today is one such day. Today what we're doing, Jordan, is we're doing a time travel episode. Thank God. We're doing a time travel episode for our dear friend. We've never

met, but still dear friend, Sonia from Sweden. Yay, Sonia. Sonia has gotten a hold of me and requested an episode. And that is July 22, 2011. Do you have any idea the significance of July 22, 2011? Seven times three is 21 plus one is 22. Numerology. 22. You know, one plus one is two. Right. Two ones multiplied by two is 22. So that's what it is. That's not what it is. Oh, it's not what it is. No, it's not. What, just playing around with numbers without even... I didn't even try and apply meaning to numerology. I was just like, look at numbers. That is nothing to do with the topic at hand. Today we have a very meaty topic to get into and it's going to be horrifying at points and very illustrative at other points. But before we get into that,

here is a very uncharacteristic out of context drop from today's episode. We got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson. All right. Okay. Full tilt boogie. What does that mean? Is that a colloquialism? It's not. And have you ever heard that before? Never heard anyone implore Paul Joseph Watson to go full tilt boogie on something. And actually given the circumstances, I think that is very, very tacky. So I guess what we should do is just go ahead and start the episode and then we can discuss why this is a date that someone, especially someone from Scandinavia, would send us. So are we going to go about like half tilt boogie on this then? I think we're three quarters tilt. Three quarter tilt. Okay, cool. We are live. It is Friday. Thank you for joining us.

The news is coming in fast and furious. The good news is we'll be back live this Sunday as well, four to six p.m. Breaking Oslo blast blows out most of the windows of government building. Looks like Oklahoma City, the damage Prime Minister's office affected at least two dead dozens wounded massive vehicle bomb report. People trapped eyewitnesses total chaos. You notice that this is happening right now. Right as Europe is completely corrupted by design by banker operatives in charge of every country in the EU. Norway is not and nor has it ever been in the EU. So that part of this narrative is already a little bit but it's happening while it's happening. So if you didn't pick up on this, if you're not picking up the pieces, July 22 2011 is the day

that Anders Brevik committed one of the worst terrorist attacks in Western European history, a series of terrorist attacks across across Norway, right to give you a little bit of a quick breakdown of the relevant details. On July 22 2011 Anders Brevik killed 77 people in two separate terrorist attacks in Norway, representing the fifth deadliest terrorist attack ever in Western Europe at 1525 Central European summertime, which is through 15 p.m. He set off a car bomb outside 315 p.m. R time. No, no, their time. It would have been 8 a.m. R time 815 825 a.m. R time. Excuse me. He set off a car bomb outside a government building that housed the office of the prime minister of Norway. The bomb he used was intentionally very similar to the one used by

Timothy McVeigh at Oklahoma City. Eight people were killed and 209 were injured. Approximately 90 minutes later Brevik arrived at the Norwegian Labor Party's youth league camp on Utoya Island, having taken a ferry there while disguised as a police officer. Brevik quickly killed the camp director and security officer, at which point he had over an hour to terrorize the people on the island before emergency services could arrive. Though Oslo police were alerted two minutes after the first shot, their response time was greatly increased by the fact that they did not have a police helicopter, which could have taken them directly to the island. Twice during his rampage Brevik called the police and tried to surrender, but ended up hanging up both times.

It appears that he was toying with the police because he continued killing people in between the calls and after. Campers attempted to escape by swimming off the island, but a number of them were shot in the water by Brevik as he screamed, quote, you will die today Marxists. By the time the Norway police arrived, he had killed 69 people, 50 of whom were 18 years of age or younger, and he'd injured 110. When the police arrived, Brevik dropped his weapons and immediately surrendered. When the police arrived, the terrified campers begged the officers not to kill them, since the original attack had been carried up by someone in a policeman's uniform. Initially, there were reports of an accomplice being arrested because their police wrongly

arrested Anzor Jukev, a 17 year old victim. The rationale was that his haircut was different than it was on his ID, and they felt that his response to the attack was different than the rest of the people there. He didn't cry or freak out because as a child, he'd witnessed the massacres in Chechnya and likely had some form of PTSD. What the fuck? Right. So they were, they arrested him and reports sort of were circling, and Alex is going to get into that, the idea that there were multiple shooters, which is based on this false arrest that the police put out and accidentally made. Thankfully, they at least did release him hours later, but still very, very dicey. Fuck that. Yeah, yeah. So Brevik immediately confessed to the bombing and the shootings,

but refused to accept that he was wrong to do what he had done, calling it necessary. Though initially deemed criminally insane, a follow up report by psychologists declared him sane, and he was tried and sentenced to 21 years in prison. But the good news about that is once his sentence is up, they can just indefinitely extend it forever. So that's the way the legal system apparently works in Norway, where 21 years for like terrorism and murder is the highest sentence they can give. And then at the end of that, they can be like, well, he's still a fucking terrorist who's a murderer, and we can never let him go again. But we can only do that today. Gotcha. At his trial, he spoke clearly and with conviction about what he did was not wrong,

and how he had an absence of remorse. He declared himself a modern day night Templar, who was resisting the invading Muslims. Brevik showed a complete lack of remorse, but he did make one apology in court. He apologized that he had not killed more people. Six hours before the attack, Brevik posted a video on YouTube including a picture of him in military uniform decorated with many medals he had not earned. In fact, he was deemed unfit for service and was never in the military. In the video, he depicts Islam as a Trojan horse coming to destroy Europe. If there's ever been a more open and shut case as it relates to right wing racist terrorism, I'm not sure I've ever seen it. Every single aspect of Brevik's planning could

be confirmed down to the front companies he established, so it wouldn't raise suspicion when he bought masses of fertilizer to make his bomb. After being sentenced, Brevik offered to provide information about the other cells of his alleged terrorist network, cells that probably didn't exist, but his offer was rejected citing completely impossible demands he was making, indicating that he, quote, doesn't know how society works. It turns out he offered the information on the condition that Norwegian and European societies be overthrown. In 2013, he threatened to go on a hunger strike if the prison did not give him a PlayStation 3 to replace his PlayStation 2, because the PlayStation 3 had better games. In 2014, he threatened that he

would starve himself to death if refused, quote, access to a sofa and a bigger gym, and again, complained about the selection of video games he was provided. He complained in court that he was beginning to enjoy the reality show Paradise Hotel, which he claimed was proof that he had become brain damaged. Honestly, his life in prison sounds a little bit better than mine. The attacks began at 8.25 a.m. Austin time. The police arrived at Utoya Island at 11.25 Austin time, at which point Brevik immediately surrendered. Alex's show starts at 11 a.m. Austin time and concludes at 3 p.m. There's no reason for him not to know a good deal of information about what happened, because a lot of this information, while there were misreporting in terms of that second possible shooter, a lot of

the stuff had already happened by the time he got on air. A lot of it was unfolding, and so we should hold him to a higher standard of speculation on this episode. So that is what happened on July 22, 2011, and now we shall see how Alex covers this, and then I have a whole bunch more information coming up later from some really, really dark research that I ended up having to do for this episode. All right, so essentially what we're going to do is listen to a white supremacist and find any possible way to imagine that this act is not terrorism done by a white supremacist. Possibly. And a fucking validation of every criticism that's ever been levied against Alex in the entire history of his life. I will say that this episode does end up getting pretty

damning, just in terms of Alex's journalistic integrity, in terms of some parallels that we'll be able to draw as this goes on. And just Alex is clear, I don't think that his reporting on this episode is bad, because he's trying to defend a white supremacist. I think he just doesn't know what's going on in his making shit up. I think that he's just creating a narrative that fits what he talks about, as opposed to it being like, you'll see as this goes along. So the day after he tries to explain away white supremacism as he learns more about it. Undoubtedly. Yeah. Well, the day after is Saturday, so he's the day off. But Sunday, I'm sure he sits down. He comes up with a false flag. They're trying to make it look like we're

crazy for doing the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. And on this episode, he doesn't get Steve Pechenik on, but multiple times says we need Steve Pechenik. Yeah. So I'm sure by Sunday, he's had a chance to talk to him. He's got the false flag, yeah. And then they get the narrative that they need moving. So I'm sorry about that long detail, but I, the reading, but I feel like it's important to know exactly the situation that we have on our hands. 77 people were killed by a deranged man who hated Islam and hated liberalism and multiculturalism. And we'll get into how I'm very certain about what he was doing a little bit later. You know, it's it that that story, I am so anti death penalty and I am pro prison conditions. Like in Oslo, they have

prison conditions that are well taken care of. Like, as you said, they have better living situations than you do. Some what, some what, right? In some, in some respects, you know, the ability to walk is nice. He's kept in like solitary confinement to a certain extent because they don't want him to set up a cell in prison or something like that, which is a pretty legitimate concern, considering he's one of the worst terrorists ever. Right. And clearly, I'll get to why I know this down the line. But he'd been planning this for at least since 2002. There were shell companies. Yeah, it's elaborate the the the idea that he would end up getting into a prison population and probably hooking up with people and trying to get some for him going, it seems

very likely. So he's kept in solitary confinement. But because solitary confinement is so cruel, it is technically torture by the UN Human Rights Commission, I believe. And so one of the things that they have to do to accommodate the fact that they can't allow him to be around other people is that they have three cells that he's in his three cells. One is like a study that he has one is a gym and one is his like sleeping cell. Yeah. And he has this PlayStation that he's allowed to play games on. Yeah, he has an electric typewriter for a while. He had a computer, but you know, not allowed to be hooked up to the internet. Yeah, of course not. And so like they have to make these accommodations. And I understand that because you don't you never even the worst people in

the world, you don't want them just rotting in a hole like that's right. That says too much. That says way more about us as a society than it does about what that person may or may not deserve. Of course. But that's what I'm saying. I'm I would never want him to be kept in solitary confinement. I don't want him to be tortured. Yeah. At the same time, he should be killed. He's like that by like that should be the situation, right? Like as it like I'm against the death penalty, and I'm pro better prison conditions. Absolutely. I think because he had a chance to surrender, which I don't know if he deserved. I don't know. I can't I can't I can't parse that out. But because he was given that choice, and he did lay down his weapons, you

can't then kill him. You know, I don't I don't mean the Nazis got executed. I'm fine with it. Yeah, I'm not I'm not for the death penalty. First, there's a there's a certain level of like, no, I don't want to torture you. But also you can't be around anymore. It's like it's kicking you out of the earth. Right. You'd hope I mean, you'd wish that maybe we had like penal colonies or something like that. I don't know. But I don't know if that's even like back when what was sent to Georgia. You know, I don't know, man. It's very difficult because, you know, you your visceral reaction, obviously, is that like no punishment, including a PlayStation 3 is good enough for you. Right. You know, like that's not that it you deserve much worse. But then at what

at what point do we are we comfortable are like, arbitring out much more severe capital punishment. Right. Of course. I mean, I'm not even talking about capital punishment. I mean, I'm also talking about like abandoning someone on an island or something like that. Yeah, but that sounds like that sounds more fun to me. Like he should look here's what I would do. I would rather he was just like no longer with us. Like I don't want to I don't want him to experience eternal pain or anything like that. It's because there is no God or hell or anything like that. But it should just be like a severing of your ability to be human any longer. Yeah. You know, like, and I can make I can make all the euphemisms I want for it. But he should he should be dead.

Yeah. Like that's what should happen. You shouldn't be allowed. But at the same time, then he's a martyr, right, for all of those people. And then he's an inspiration for which honestly, I'm not sure you'd be able to avoid no matter what you do. Of course. Because the because the alternative is he's a martyr as a political prisoner, right, which we'll get to later. He's a political prisoner with a PlayStation two. You don't get to three now. Now, you don't get to you don't get to hold martyr status. It's tough. But he does complain that he only gets like childish games and doesn't get like modern warfare. Yeah, you're goddamn fucking right. You're not Christ. It's so bizarre. I don't know, man. I agree with you on a visceral human level.

But I also like, I don't want to wrestle with those issues, right? Because I don't I don't think I'm equipped to and I don't know the right answer. Right. Like I'm philosophically opposed to capital punishment. As am I. But I also have no vested interest in telling the state of Norway how they can and can't meet out their justice. Agreed. So and by all accounts, their justice system immensely improved over art. It seems more humane. Yeah. So now let's jump back into the episode and let Alex lay out what he his initial thoughts are. And again, this attack, I apologize that I fumbled up the the time differences and stuff like that. Don't worry about it at the beginning, but the attack began at 825 a.m. Austin time, central standard time in the United

States. Alex goes on air at 11. Everything was over by 1125. Yeah, I was I was really confused as to why you made it a point to get the time down. And then once you put it once you put it together, I was like, of course, that's an important thing that you should point out. It's not like this all broke out while he was there. He had two and a half hours before the show of like, get your information together, get on air. Right. And so it makes it worse that this is where he goes even watch Fox News. If you're that stupid, and they'll at least tell you the white narrative that you want to hear. Right. So here, Alex gets into the baseline of where he's going to start things. As I told you, there's gonna be shootings at shopping malls, bombings,

and it will all be triggered right during the implosion. And they're even scripting that now saying Al Qaeda will strike us during an economic collapse. So so they're even getting you ready for the script. The terrorists like to tell you what's going to happen so they get credibility when the terror attack happens. I know their criminology and their game plan. So I'm able to predict exactly what they'll do. I just told you today. And I've told you the last year over and over again, the bombings will start in Europe. They will then spread the United States, but it will only happen during the banker receivership takeover. So everyone will be distracted from that and run worshiping to their loving murdering government leaders. So his immediate reaction,

like this is minutes after the show starts, yeah, is that he wants to make it sure that you know that this is a false flag. This is the government bankers staging something to get you to stop thinking about the idea that a lot of European economies are in trouble. Yeah, right now. I would say that that's irresponsible. But the other thing that he's doing, I believe he already started in the first clip was he's trying to compare it to Oklahoma City. He's doing a lot of like, he's going to again later. Yeah, he's trying to anchor that connection in people's minds. Absolutely. He's doing a lot of work in terms of like trying to associate unrelated things to this, this event in order to further his argument,

which is baseless, entirely baseless, that this is the bankers flag, the bankers pulling a false flag. So, Sonia, I by all accounts, you were you were a sweet person, you've given me every indication that you're a kind hearted woman. And now I kind of think you hate me. I think you hate me. I think you've decided to be cruel to me. That's something that I was thinking as I was, I was getting this ready. It was like, man, I love and hate Sonia so much right now. This is not great. Well, like, I will say that like the doing the research to get this episode together was one of the like most six, six or one half dozen of the other kind of experiences, because I do like digging into stuff. I like having a topic to learn about and understand.

But also it turns out that this one is not something that's incredibly fun to understand. Yeah, that's that's why I'm saying this is an attack on me specifically, like you at least get the the modicum of enjoyment from doing a solid amount of research. It was up till four in the morning. Yeah, and it was it was it's it's yeah, it's what you were built to do. I guess so, Dan. And I am just an emotional fucking time bomb. The fact that I can weather it, I guess, says something not great about myself, but or good, I don't know what it is. I don't know. So let's let's move along because we got we got a lot of ground to cover. And I don't want us to necessarily debate the merits of Sonia's hatred for me. Right, exactly. So Alex in this next clip gets into

some predictions that he has. And I would say that all of them are not good. And they'll probably have some mentally ill patches that were involved in this that they blame. He'll be completely drugged up with the rest of their lives in prison. You'll never see him in the media. You'll see a fake letter put out. He knows nothing about Oslo's prison system. No, and Andrews Brevick, since he went to prison, has like tried to sue the government for violating his human rights course, in terms of his prison cell, he actually won the first case. And then it was overturned in the appeals court and Supreme Court over upheld the appeal. So they're on the on the the rule of fuck that guy. PlayStation three claws. You're fine. Fuck you, man. So I mean,

he's been out a bunch. There are articles periodically about various shifts he's made, like, I will say that from my research, I know that before the attack, he was very against Nazis. He was against Hitler and the National Socialists because he believed that they got the wrong guys. No, because they had done a disservice to the Germanic white race, because they created through their foolhardish Israel, whatever, Israel. Yeah. No, because he's not against Israel either. What the fuck is this guy? This guy's very confusing. And it's it's tough to this is frustrating. It's tough to nail down. And I'll do my best to explain all of it in due time. But he's against Hitler and the Nazis before the attack, because if they hadn't have tried to

do this genocide that they did, and he is not a Holocaust denier at all, which I found very strange. Fuck you, man. Yeah. He thinks that because of their actions, the blowback from it created the multiculturalism and the political correct society that he is so against. So he doesn't hate Hitler for the reasons you should. He hates him because the aftermath of it has created the world that we live in today, where there's a plurality of people's rights and things like that. And there's the idea that people should be able to live together in peace. So he's kind of more like a like one of those white nationalists who's like, no, no, no, no, I don't hate black people. I just think we should have a white nation for white people, and then a black nation for black people, and then a

muslim nation for muslim people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's also it's tough to unpack if he hates like Chinese or black people or things like that. He's just he's singularly focused on muslims. Yeah. So there, there is probably a lot of bigotry underneath. But the more you dig into him and like read things that people who knew him before would say like past co workers, he was such a quiet guy. No, no, quiet. There's a consistent thread of like he was a really good worker, he was very competent, but he would really get bothered and annoyed by Pakistani people dating white people and stuff like that. Pakistani men dating white women. And like just anytime muslims would come up, he'd get mad and stuff like that. So it seems like there's a real

stick in his his crawl. Yeah, as it were that about those specific folk. So I don't look my points fucking go to bed. Fuck you. My point of pausing this clip is just to say Alex's prediction of this guy being a drugged up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never see again is on 100%. No, he's he's a clear eyed fucking terrorist murderer and spoke in court to the effect of I apologize, I didn't kill more people. Yeah. So he's a psychopath who is a yeah, fuck that guy. Even if the people blew themselves up in the cars, then they will find the passports on damage and that will be considered the immaculate invincible passport made out of antimendium steel that Thor's hammer is made out of.

It's not made out of antimendium. Of course, it'll turn out that the muslim extremists in this case were helped by the government, but that'll be a side issue and no big deal. So eyewitnesses report total chaos. So Alex is going out on a limb and saying this is muslim terrorists and they were abetted by the government and probably blew themselves up in the car. All of these predictions completely wrong. All of this is him getting on air immediately and creating a narrative that is irresponsible and based on nothing other than his quote unquote gut or whatever his his deep research that he does is like every time it's stuff like this and it's not it's absolutely not it's it's like right now today we are in a situation where in 2018 what recording

this on Sunday there was a mass shooting this morning in Jacksonville. Yep. In the same way that we don't have all the details while we're recording this it would be irresponsible for us to decide who did it and create some sort of a storyline out of that right you know if we were to say oh look at this another white guy shooting up the place whether or not that is the truth that comes out we don't know that while we're recording this nope and it would be fucking irresponsible of us to say that to people who may listen to us and think we know something right so he's doing that about this and it's disgraceful it's it's real gross it's even grosser yeah it's even grosser than you even know oh great so I for some reason

like we deal with his white supremacy all the time right we deal with all of his shit all the time but anytime he he minimizes tragedy the way that he does like after any of these mass shootings after any of that shit where all of these people die and he turns them into props that are that might as well be fucking mannequins well he goes full tilt boogie yeah yeah ooh ooh isn't that even worse now that you know what this episode's about that's so worse yeah crazy god it's this is just such a fucking punch to the gut yeah and I'm sorry to bring this into your life but I do think by the time we get to the end of this you'll understand much more fully why I think that this is like as much as I'm mad at Sony for making me learn about this and you hear about this yes I think that I'm

overwhelmed by how much I appreciate her pointing us in this direction and saying okay what happened that day because I think that we can highlight something that is very demonstrative of a big big problem about Alex Jones that I think that we have tipped the iceberg of perhaps but I don't think that we've necessarily dealt with in the way that we should and we're going to over the course of this episode this is this is astonishing that we talk about his bullshit regarding sandy hook all the time but this this fucking shit god damn it's so much worse man we're only on the third clip god damn yeah so uh you you hit the nail right on the head that he seems to enjoy this a bit yeah like at the beginning of the episode the first clip we played he was talking about the uh

the shooting and the bombing with tones of kind of like almost excitement about it the like there's total chaos yeah he's doing like a like an announcer voice about it yeah and that continues into this next clip uh I really think he's relishing uh the fact that there's some sort of tragedy that doesn't touch him now obviously you know about the devastating explosion that went off in Oslo Norway their capital blast blows out most of the windows of the government building housing the prime minister's office massive vehicle bomb a bomb inside a vehicle and we've got some footage that we're rolling for prison planet dot tv viewers right now uh also there's a report of people trapped in the building it looks like Oklahoma city-style devastation if you haven't seen the video of

you're listening there on the radio eyewitnesses report total chaos now so he's doing that voice with a total chaos there's almost uh there's almost like a we're gonna it leads this is bleeding this is gonna lead that kind of thing which is gross and then you see him bringing up Oklahoma city again he's trying to anchor those thoughts in your mind the idea that there was a car bombing that went off uh make he's making it and and unfortunately there are similarities to Oklahoma city and I know from researching this that he knew about Oklahoma city and was inspired in terms of his planning by what Timothy McVeigh did and he was frustrated by the fact that he had done it because it made it much more difficult to get the bomb supplies that he needed to get in order to make

his truck bomb right because people realized at that point oh shit this fertilizer let's make sure we keep track of who's buying a ton of this for no reason so he lamented the idea that uh the crackdowns had happened since Oklahoma he hates Timothy McVeigh the same way he hates the Nazis like you guys you guys fucked it up for me yeah yeah god damn it yep oh god so kill him kill him yeah all right so in his next in his next clip we get Alex Jones saying even more that this is a false flag uh and uh he gives his prediction on he actually gets really specific about whether or not this is a real thing and they like to target children school buses are a favorite and they're going to move these systems into the united states in europe he's talking about the

globalists right now i told you might as well be talking about the month when the total collapse of europe began next they'll move to the united states in england and right as the banks sees the pension funds go after the private pension funds right as they slash benefits but increase taxes the terror attacks will be staged so that you are distracted by that and rally around the government in fear uh they will also use it to knock off enemies they like to kill multiple birds with one stone and we're doing research right now uh on the leader of norway um i was already aware of this uh individual no you weren't not going along didn't even know Oslo wasn't a country so they will also then not just get everybody to rally around the corrupt bureaucracy by staging

terror attacks uh through the different variants we don't know what type this is yet but with the timing it's not the very rare actual terror attack i can tell you right very rare 98 percent chance there is a chance it could be real i would say two percent okay two percent chance this is real so alex is is correct in in one sense and that like he's accurately read from reports that it was probable that andres brevick was trying to target the prime minister of norway and the reason is because uh he had deemed him a supporter of multiculturalism right and someone who is unacceptable and a i can't remember he has three classifications of traders class a b and c traders i can't remember which one he deemed the uh president or prime minister of norway to be but that was a big target

for him and additionally utoya island that youth camp uh that he targeted was from the labor party which he also deemed to be a party that supported multiculturalism that's why they were a target and also a former politician who he deemed to be one of the big supporters of multiculturalism in norway's past was scheduled to give a speech there and she did go give a speech there but had already left by the time he got there because he got caught in traffic and shit on the way over to the island so the idea that like alex is kind of i mean wrong about the globalist doing this but andres brevick absolutely was targeting these people for the reason of killing and right taking out these political figures who he deemed to be supporters of plurality of race culture

religion all those things that he thought was going to destroy europe so who boy uh huh oh yeah whites come on let's let's let's get out of here look all whites everybody everybody sucks just like we got it we got it we got it blow us up in space i know that put us all on a fucking arc blow it up halfway through the journey i know that this expression is taken on like a slightly different meaning in the last year or two but it's like white white guys take a knee yeah sit this one out go away or just just relax well relax underground listen underground build build him a hole listen take things more seriously that don't directly involve you or you think don't directly involve you because this does this absolutely does like

it's um yeah yeah i it's fascinating to me because i always knew about andres brevick and i understood that he was uh you know a bigot uh and committed these crimes and things like that but i didn't understand the full picture of it and i think that the i think that the media did a really terrible job of of explaining what he was about um and really looking at the full picture because i think once you know um the some of the stuff that we're going to get into as this goes along um i i think that there's uh uh uh you have to face the music right in terms of what what he was inspired by what his goals were what he uh the people who were philosophically aligned with him uh things like that and i think you have to you have to deal with like

what are the commonalities of rhetoric uh that are being put out by him and other folk yeah and is it safe to say that he is the logical extension of that rhetoric right you know what i mean yeah like i think that you really have to wrestle with issues like that and it's not fun to do it's really really not fun to do right especially at 3 30 in the morning right looking at this and like oh no is this is not to jump ahead because i assume you are going to fucking hammer at home but was this the guy who is inspired by that one dude in like the late 70s no or was it another guy more recently who was a huge fan of this guy i think there's who is like a political i think a lot of people uh on the right have been inspired by him i'll say that he was mostly inspired

like in terms of his origin is from the bombing of syria in the 90s that was something that was like a watershed moment for him um i'll just i'll just cut the bullshit um he put out a manifesto and i read it oh of course he did so that's why wouldn't he that's that's where i i and we'll get to he has a study of course he put out a god no this is before this is pre um i i will get into all that i i you know what in terms of presentation to putting on a show i was kind of hoping to hold that card and sorry i'm sorry i had to get it i had to get it out no no no no it's more you didn't force my hand at all okay it was more that i recognized that i kept saying i have something and we'll get into it in a bit right and i feel like i'm teasing in a way

that's inappropriate and i should just tell you um a lot of a lot of questions are answered from his manifesto yeah and we'll get into that in a little bit you were teasing like jamie lee curtis in uh true lies patriot games wait she wasn't in patriot she wasn't in patriot games true lies the Arnold Schwarzenegger yes yes yes it was a fine movie tom Arnold yeah anyway i celebrate his catalog the stupid i swear to god it is still funny in the wrong way you know like four times it's funny in the wrong way it's so good it's one of the few movies my parents love i don't know why it's stupid yeah i think we love the books yeah speaking of the stupid yeah alex jones there you go um so we uh in our 2009 investigation

one of my primary uh goals is to find out when alex jones started talking about george soros and so far as we've gone through 2009 we've not seen any mention of him um there was one working theory i didn't fully believe this but there was one working theory that it was in 2014 alex would have jumped on the soros bandwagon because of soros's involvement um against Putin in Ukraine right that he was a force uh trying to open societies up and stand against the encroachment of russian right influence and if i remember correctly there like there was something to do with his son being specifically targets yeah yeah i believe well no there was more that uh alex soros before then would go and like party in russia and then he was kicked out wasn't allowed back in the

country yeah from what i understand um but so that was one working theory i didn't i didn't think that was necessarily the case but it was open for a possibility um and because of this next clip we now know it was at least before 2011 uh also um we told you this last week because of our sources um that you could look for a um criminal investigation to be opened by the george soros uh justice department and i'm not saying there shouldn't be an investigation but again you have satan in in the investigating uh batho met here i mean this is this is this is ridiculous um james murdoch denies misleading panel reuters bloomberg news of the world workers are offered jobs in Siberia so the old joke will send you to Siberia or the north ball

dal jones outpost uh justice department prepares the penis and news core inquiry to feed that of course into soros so this is about the news core scandal back in 2011 so that that that i i felt bad because i didn't preface that like soros isn't you're doing an investigation into brevic no also satan investigating baphomet i believe was a uh an issue of the vertigo comic uh lucifer which is a spin-off of sandman sandman great ecw wrestler who terrifies my dreams not quite uh just had to get our mandatory wrestling reference in check that off the box for today check it up yep um so alex does dance around a little bit uh towards this point of the episode where he's kind of like i've said my piece about anders brevic or he doesn't even know the name or anything of

course not so he's he said he would have to do a modicum of research he said his piece about the norway situation and now sort of dances off into other topics but because he wants to fully reinforce his narrative after complaining about soros getting his fingers in the pies of the news core investigation whether or not that's true i have no idea uh he gets right back to calling this a false flag well i'm sure norway is going to go along with uh the bailout of the bankers which is really the takeover of the bankers after all they need to do what the government says terror has just hit and hit them hard today you can look for that every time bankers take down a country the terrorist hit so everybody again rallies around the government breaking oslo blast targets prime minister's office

massive vehicle bomb report people trapped eyewitnesses total chaos so again he's just reading that exact same headline he doesn't have anything past that headline you've heard him read it like four times already yeah and do that same verbal lilt on the uh total chaos yeah just uh just uh a mockery a mockery of a tragedy yeah yeah i think that's fair absolute uh it just uh just to remind you uh car bombs and all of this stuff but we know what it really is it's the bankers also you can find plenty of instances of terrorist attacks that have had nothing to do with uh banker takeovers yeah and stuff like that if you want to if you want to say that like you can you can point out a few times that there have been countries in financial trouble where uh

terrorist attacks have happened that doesn't prove anything that is at best a coincidence yeah you need to do better than that or even further perhaps if you are in financial trouble and you see that there is a ruling class that does not share within that financial trouble it is uh much more likely that your complete the complete destruction of your life would lead towards a an idea of well what have i got to lose there's a desperation that's yeah that's kind of explained some behaviors yeah but that's not doesn't explain this one no no no no no this one's this one's straight up psychopathy hate hate hate um so uh here's another alex jones wants to cite some more statistics about bombings uh and uh boy i'd love to see some citations on this zero percent of

bombings emitted by white people are terrorism 100 percent of bombings emitted by brown people are muslim attacks no because at this point that's a strange statistic to flout around at this point he still thinks it's muslims who did it yeah that are being funded by bankers oh but even then the muslims are a false flag he doesn't know he should know by now because i believe reports that already come out that it was a white guy yeah like that he should know that and he will down the road but at this point he still thinks it's al-qaeda or something like that right so here's his stat and again i need citations so we're gonna continue breaking all of that down but i cannot i cannot state any more clearly to all of you out there just how big of a deal this is just how huge

it is that there have been bombings in europe because nine times out of ten or more these bombings in europe and the united states are completely 100 percent staged yikes 90 of the time they are 100 stage nine out of ten times everything is the globalists meddling around and trying to force i don't fucking know at this point you know what he does a really smart thing that i think he lost track of a little bit later in his career he's saying that this is fake 100 percent yeah but he's couching his language in a really smart way that makes it so like in case i get in trouble for this all i said is 98 chance it's fake yeah all i said is nine out of ten times it's fake yeah you make your own conclusions from there right he's telling his audience it's fake absolutely oh yeah

but he has in the same way when he says i'm gonna kill you politically right he's couching his language in such a way that's like all stakes are off i'm not saying shit it doesn't mean anything there's no consequences for me behaving this way yeah by my shit i am saying this is fake but i am also implying that it might not be fake but i'm telling you to err on the side of this is fake and definitely if somebody tells you otherwise well there's a 98 percent chance they're lying to you they might be in on it yeah exactly globalist right better get them in a hot what are you gonna believe like oh statistically they're most likely lying to you about it not being fake right so even if it is real you'll never be able to believe them that it's not real because you're fucking crazy

because i'm fucking crazy i think you did a thorough breakdown of that line of thinking there something along those lines i would say so so we know in 2018 alex jones's s and l real includes his great chris qualmo impression right his great impression of george soro slash dracula yeah bernie hasn't come into the play yet well of course that is his best impression right now it would be surprising for us to find out that he kind of likes bernie in 2011 would that surprise you no well here's a clip uh senator bernie sanders has released the fed audit a partial audit confirming 16 trillion in secret payments to foreign banks and private individuals and companies like msnbc in the last two years 16 trillion dollars that's not a real

amount of money see this is what the heist is about this is why government's going along with it they're getting paid off and senator sanders shouldn't get on airplanes any time soon i'll tell you that right now so he has like a positive impression of bernie sanders at this point because well even at that point auditing the fed he was the most popular politician in america in 2011 among people who knew him yeah perhaps yeah he and also was a socialist back then to stand but that's but but that's why that's why there's no way i didn't uh believe you that he was a huge fan of bernie's at the time right because the more vehement he is towards somebody now the more likely it is that in there's a 98 chance right that prior to nine times out of ten that

there's a 100 chance right that prior to 2015 everything that he believed was upside down world with an exception of like rand and ron paul yeah but that's just because and white white fear right right well but i was talking about like specific p right right right right seems like they get a pass and i think a lot of that has to do with ron paul's old newsletters quite frankly so i don't know if that's a great thing um so somehow i really want to know how he felt about ross perot right now i i bet he loved him he's texting right he loved him yeah there's no way we could find those episodes i know but i want to know now i should call in yeah i bet what he would say is like ron paul uh ross perot had good ideas but he was misguided and then the globalists came

in and threatened to kill him and that's why he went out of the election right i remember that he ended up leaving the election because he threatened his wife they were too afraid that he was going to actually take states uh and uh but then he accidentally wound up on the ballot anyway so he's like fuck it why not man that kind of doing sir is that bernie sanders that you just did you know what you know what's going on um from my childhood watching like snl sketches i don't fucking really know if i know the difference between dana carvey's impressions of ross pro and or or george hw bush yeah exactly like i know that they're different but at the same time i'm not sure which way is which i'm genuine i agree with you i agree with you um so bill hartman's

bill clinton is bill clinton more than bill clinton is best of all of those though is uh norm mcdonald's bob dole oh norm mcdonald's bob dole is the best yeah so uh until this year when you have a tamonic uh and uh adomian with their their burning and trump respective or irrespective that's stopping the game up so fucking hard in terms of political impressions i don't know if anyone can ever top that no so um in his next clip alex is um he's still off the uh the the norway situation uh he's sort of rambling about his fears about the economy i'm looking at actually i'm not going to get into it you are i mean building a fortress because like i'm not looking at it i've got to do it i'm so busy fighting here i know my family's not safe i've already run to the countryside

in preparation for this and so have all the other people who are aware of what's going on so have government people that's on record you're rich moving to the country building armored compounds armored outs think yeah like peter teal and and this could still be partially reversed you see instead it's going to be accelerated and then the very people that orchestrated it they're going to be in charge of the next solution and being our protectors and if we get to uppity terraces bloop building we're not allowed to use the word uppity oh whoops he accidentally got back to the norway topic uh while he's rambling about other stuff so alex is going to build a fortress that's very excited what good is a partial reversal first question second question what kind of fortress

are we talking like 14th century irish castle are we talking well he's welsh he has a welsh he's welsh so i'd assume something along those lines would be involved something from the uh the south uh england tradition right well the strange part is this is the only situation where i am truly genuinely racist i don't like the welsh i just don't like the welsh is that racist probably yeah why not yeah no negative i don't know negative one point for your negative one point for my racism to welsh anti-welsh bigotry anti-welsh bigotry is my thing um you gotta have one i'm biased against people who build fortresses unless you're a child and then it's fun like you're building maybe you made it out of snow or or yeah all right guys i'm gonna build an igloo hey listen

also texas also the floor is lava jump from couch to couch god damn it uh kids you're playing no one's exempt so um i just think that's fun uh and demonstrates a sort of state of mind very serious paranoia um in this next clip though um uh is this this is a clip i might have heard differently a month ago uh because on a recent episode we found from present day in 2018 alex confessing on air that he probably killed a dude he did probably kill a dude and technically which is still killing a dude and that of course is going to come into play of how i hear various clips about his past violence yeah and so it's almost like we need to go back and start all over again from the top let's hey what was the first episode we did 2017 let's start it up um with the

secret of 2017 is probably much worse now that he killed a guy um so i now hear this next clip and i think he might have killed a couple of guys oh no they did this to take over they have taken over but if a guy comes to your house and says at gunpoint i'm gonna talk get over there i'm tying you up and i'm gonna rape your wife just because he has a gun and it's taken over your society doesn't mean he has a right to do it and we're gonna have to right gut up i agree and if he ends up shooting us uh you know fall down in grovel and act like we're scared and grab the gun away by the way i'm not just talking i've actually done that growing up in dallas a knife and a gun well in one case i didn't grovel one time i did the other time i just waited and grabbed the

thing away and well i'm not gonna get into the rest of it um but it's it's in the police files dallas and rock wall the point is is that is that you don't have a choice i'm not gonna sit here and watch my family rake okay fine um he left dallas and rock wall and moved to austin in his sophomore year of high school so he would have been 1516 at the time whatever he's describing could very well be true and in police reports that are closed because he was a minor those aren't accessible to public searches and things like that no so the idea that when you do some sort of a check on alex in terms of arrests warrants things like that something doesn't come up he straight up could stab a dude in the fight yeah uh when he was a minor and it's not anywhere

on his and there is absolutely certain none of our listeners would be able to find that ever i don't think there's no possibility i don't think they could unless they had access to like the internal database of i don't i don't want them to do that anybody anybody uh anybody listening to dallas fight work for dallas and rock wall police department i don't want anybody to do that because i believe in the sanctity of uh like marriage covering up uh childhood um criminal uh and not because i got arrested indiscretion or anything no no no i get you i think that that's a really good part of society right in terms of like you know you get arrested for stealing something as a kid and once you get older if you haven't committed more crimes it's erased from your brain wasn't fully

formed yeah absolutely no i respect that i think that's important and so i would like in alex jones's case though as we know he is still a child so that's true in a certain sense all of his records should either be expunged or public and i also like i mean if he killed a dude in a street fight like that's different than like a stealing or something like that it's a little bit still i respect the privacy of it um and i also think there's something to be said for the idea of like what he's describing here is possibly self-defense so like if he did get into a fight with someone who had a knife and he ended up stabbing that guy or something like that with the guy's own knife right i don't think that that's murder although also alex jones is an

unreliable narrator a little bit so the idea that it is self-defense i think is even up for question furthermore once again to hammer this point home uh how do you think he would have been tried were he not a white dude no no no all races in dallas all racism and dallas is against white people we all know that oh that's right no that's right because he seemed more very clearly told us about that that's true don't that's true i apologize i retract that statement i'm sure jerry jones is not is a great guy he ah um i just that was my impression of him i assume he said something like that in the cowboys locker room i'm not sure anyway in this next clip um the department of homeland security uh had previously to this probably at some point in 2011 maybe even before

that put out some uh publications some sort of uh some indications that they believed that one of the things to be concerned about was homegrown terrorism right the idea of white people committing terrorist acts was something that they wanted uh folks to be on the lookout for good news it was unfounded i can't think of any right thanks department of homeland security but no thanks we won't be needing your services so now alex takes that and weaves it into his narrative about norway which is pretty interesting i'm also gonna get into dhs denies racial overtones in white middle-class terrorist video white they responded to right mart fox news the daily mail to our story that broke yesterday and was the number six largest story according to alexa

on the web yesterday your own dick bigger today every talk radio show i've tuned into was talking about it and giving info wars dot com credit that's great because more folks will come and find the truth of what's going on in full wars dot com very home companion doing over um let's walk on more here's fox news dhs video characterizes terrorist as white americans misrepresentation here's the mail uh who does homeland security think poses the greatest risk video portrays white middle class as the most likely terrorist probably fair here's bright bart says they contact him 99 percent of the firm it was their video kind of like when we got the mic report saying returning veterans of the number one terrorist uh people couldn't believe it for a

week even ron bulgan believe it and no man scurney said no alex does have a real classified document of course i did you think we make anything up here now yes generally yes also 90 90 percent of the time 100 of the time fake laugh oh yeah okay everyone drink uh sorry i it's been so it's net that reflex is gone now because the more we spend time in the present and never left and i think we're a little shell shocked on this episode too there's a lot of there's a lot of heaviness and we're desperately trying to make some fun along the way yeah but yes alex i do think that you make up a lot of stuff and that's a really that's a really shitty sort of misunderstanding of what the department of homeland security was trying to express also it's really funny on this episode

where we now know that the terrorist attack in uh in norway was carried out by a white person who had strictly non multiculturalist views that inspired him yeah alex is complaining about the united states being like guys be on the we should be aware that this is this is a yeah this is a trend but norway is a majority white country that would never happen in america which is a all right all right so now um we get a guest jordan we get a guest on the show alex is pivoting away from the norway talk um and this guest isn't someone who we've uh encountered yet in the past but uh she is someone who has a real fun backstory for me to tell you i gotta get to all the other news i haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg here but i know truth when i hear it and here's

the problem i do all this research late night every night everything i heard her say was absolutely true and more and i'm driving on the highway listening to her a couple days ago on dr stan monteef's genesis show comes on like four or five and i'm driving around doing an errand listening to about 20 minutes drinking uh janet phalan who's an investigative journalist and boy she's been through a lot for covering this but everything she said is admitted cool i know janet phalan's name do you why do i know her name i don't know she's a raider um who mostly it seems like a lot of what she covers is biological weapons uh it seems to be a topic that she covers a lot she's written a number of books uh one of them is called hitler's poems which i tried but could

not find a synopsis of i don't know uh if it's a positive book about hitler and his poetry uh no it was just a book of poetry it could be written by hitler or poems about him i have no idea i could not find any uh excerpts or anything just that it exists you know it's crazy all limericks sure hitler only wrote limericks there once was a hitler from nam tuckett so um i'll i'll give you a little bit of information about janet phalan we'll see if any of this jogs your memory where you might know her from so janet phalan's an investigative journalist who largely seems to specialize in bio weapons and has made a career out of arguing that the united states has consistently and wantonly violated biological and chemical weapons treaties her

appearance on alex jones' show today that we're talking about is largely speculative arguing that we don't know if the research that the labs are doing uh uh in the united states are offensive or defensive but she provides nothing to suggest that they are in fact offensive it's an appeal to the art an argument as flimsy as who knows i mean logically the answer is both maybe but if there is also you know there's papers that come out there's stories that come out that explain the research that's being done in terms of creating real and strains of things right one of the big reasons that they do it is to test defenses against them right exactly we'll get into a specific example of that here in a second no and you ask yourself the question why is it that we have a particularly

dangerous uh smallpox virus in like held by you know people who are fallible right you know that kind of thing and one of the reasons is because the idea that we aren't the only people who have caches of smallpox and the idea of becoming weaponized would destroy the fucking world exactly so the idea is you try and come up with as many inoculations as many cures that you can try and find ways around the try to mitigate the damage of it becoming weaponized so there are researchers who do that it's like it's like nuclear weapons nobody should have them but until nobody has them people should have them at the same time i do think it's naive to think that we're not doing anything on that front right exactly you know so the logical answer is both

right right and and what like you get to just play a game with yourself and whatever you like to believe when you ask what is the primary motivation see now that's that's a whole question that you can't really answer primary motivation no you can but whatever you want to believe right but i mean it's and even then it's like but what person is doing the research you know right like we can't know the intentions until we ask somebody and then you meet a real mad scientist and you're like oh that's not good right so janet failen has an interesting career behind her she writes for and released a book called exile through a publication called new eastern outlook politico describes new eastern outlook is quote a geopolitical journal

published by a government chartered russian academy of sciences and running it runs headlines like quote ukraine's kukuk's clan nato's new ally as the united states confronted russian ally bashar al Assad for using chemical weapons against syrian children this spring the site trumpeted quote proof turkey did 2013 sarin attack and did this one too and quote exclusive trump apologized to russia for syrian attack the budapest beacon said that the new eastern outlook is quote known to be kremlin backed a russian propaganda outlet targeting foreign audiences an article in sputnik with the headline quote here's how putin and healthy diet made russian products in china a hit was based on an article from the new eastern outlook it is a front for a russian state uh

think tank the academy of sciences that puts out pro russian propaganda for foreign audiences how do you say supermail vitality in russian then supreme i don't know okay andrey vichy one of the main forces behind new eastern outlook wrote an article in 2015 titled quote how to fight western propaganda where he argues that eastern propaganda where he argues that in order to counter the west it's essential to focus on emotion he begins quote first they manufacture monstrous lies and then they tell us we should be objective is love objective is passion our dreams defendable logical and philosophically andrey no quick answer no andrey goes on to ask quote do we counter the tactics and strategy of the destructive and ruthless empire with our honesty with research with

telling and writing meticulously investigative facts yes he does not directly answer that question but it's heavily implied that the answer is no as he goes on to say quote when facing murderous hordes poetry emotionally charged songs and patriotic odes have always been more effective than deep academic studies all of them written by hitler and so were political novels and films passionate documentaries even explicit cartoons and posters some would ask was great some would ask just because they're lying should we lie as well no we should try to be as truthful as we can we should try to be as truthful as we can but our message should often be quote abridged so the billions not just the selected few can understand it so he's going with the spark

notes of reality and he's lean and heavily towards not the real ones he's one of the main people behind the new eastern outlook and his article here very clearly lays out like yeah we should try and tell the truth but abridged truth ain't truth buddy hmm advocating for that is advocating for um murkiness effect right murkiness of truth so uh now on the other hand not entirely wrong people react more to emotion than they do to if you're talking about that as a psychological assessment sure yeah that's that's accurate that's no no it's it's a lot easier to lie to people and ruin the world see done yeah but as a sort of guiding principle for one of the people who's in charge of the new eastern outlook i think that indicates to me that maybe they

don't have a hard journalistic editorial stance they might not be as interested in it as we are in preservation of truth and when you say we you mean you and i not uh not no definitely not america or our media at all no so ever so that's the publication that she works for and released a book through which is a russian uh foreign propaganda front that has a dicey relationship with the truth all right so then i'm assuming that means that i can trust everything she says in this interview undoubtedly implicitly good so most of the interview i'm glad i don't have to use any higher order thinking at all dan i prefer to just respond as though everything she says is absolutely true thank you very much play that clip dan i'm not gonna we're not gonna listen to any of her

okay well because most of it is just stuff like they can't possibly prove and it's just nonsense yeah alex is talking about like level two three and four biological labs and stuff like that right some twos are threes but some threes are fours and it's like sure is this a logic puzzle what are you doing all men are gentlemen but not all gentlemen are men and you have to make sure that all sides show the same color right it's like okay great i i was going through it and i'm like if we if we try and get into any of this it's going to be a time suck and i just don't think there's any use in yeah yeah you can just sort of punt and just say like what's the level four biological research i think alex might explain in this next clip so the point is there are level

four mouse pox it'll kill 99 percent of humans they come in contact with that's even mainstream manage in level three facilities that aren't even level three so you got a sense of what does that mean you got a sense of what i'm talking about that aren't even level three does that mean that there are secretly level two i think it has to do with like the level of defense that's around it like whether or not they have to be deep underground and and shit like that right um so he talks about mouse pox and he actually talks about it multiple times on this episode this idea that there's like really dangerous mouse pox uh and he's like it's mainstream news so i looked into it and i found the article he's probably talking about does it mean you break out in mice no um so i found the

article that he's talking about about the danger of mouse pox i'm assuming because it's it sort of matches his um his narrative it's true that there was an article and there's a headline in the new york times that reads quote bioterror researchers build a more lethal mouse pox that is a fucking scary headline but it seems pretty likely that alex didn't read the rest of the article the article is about how researchers spliced a single gene into the existing mouse pox virus that would make it super lethal in an effort to test preventative measures they had concocted because it's often how we develop protections for humans yeah quote the scientists said that the results showed that the best defenses proved quite effective in preventing deadly disease not only in mice but

probably in humans exposed to customized smallpox of similar designs so that's a really huge uh benefit that we yeah that's a that's a plus yeah that's a really really good if somebody starts sending mouse pox all around dude we got a fucking mouse pox against fighters yeah and so one of the no it doesn't even just apply to the mouse pox it applies to other um sort of uh augmented smallpox viruses like cat pox sure rat pox cow pox that is one of them that is real yeah um but it it let's just name it animals and put pox at the end of it it's nearly invaluable the idea of having this protection yeah there's no other way to design them without designing the viruses that they would protect against yeah it's i i think it's gross not gross but i think it's scary

certain yeah um the idea is about it and it's sort of weird to your thought process of like there's scientists sitting around giving these animals horrible diseases right you don't like that but at the same time thanks new york times for the clickbaitiest headline you could possibly make instead of right scientists still working to protect you right so alex keeps trying to get people scared about the prospect of these diseases like mouse pox getting out but from the article quote the leaders of the research said that the lethal mouse virus would have no effect on humans even if it somehow escaped from the laboratory which they said was safeguarded at biosafety level three um uh second highest but we know that's not really level three according to alex with no

evidence quote to my knowledge there's no scientific evidence to suggest this kind of research poses any sort of human risk said mark bowler a professor of molecular micro microbiology at st louis university who directed the mouse pox research do you mean the director of prologue to all zombie movies many experiments have shown the mouse pox does not cause disease in humans he said quote experts said both the threat of such developments and the federal response seemed part of the theoretical debate not something to worry about for now they split over whether the research was prudent so any kind of arguments that happened in the uh the uh the the actual scientific community were like should we do this is this worth it is it good is it bad yeah i don't know is this is this a

legitimate risk that we are defending against or is it uh you know or is it like hey great guys you created a vaccine for mouse pox a huge issue yeah for mice yeah or is it i don't know i can only mammals get pox is there like snake pox i don't know i don't know all right moving on yeah so now we get back to um the norway situation we're a little bit later in the show alex has no reason to not know a lot of the details about it other than him not really caring to not really caring to do his job as a journalist right um and so he gets back to it and uh in this clip he makes it very clear that he knew that it would be jihadis the latest on the oslo norway blast targeting the prime minister's office massive vehicle bomb report people trapped eyewitnesses total chaos

helpers of the global jihad claim responsibility so he read the exact same headline again and then yeah helpers of the you know jihad have claimed responsibility and this is an issue that's important a lot of times terrorist groups claim responsibility for things that they didn't do and that's why you have to always report those sorts of things in breaking situations with a you can't just say oh they said they did it they did it yeah so he's not doing that he's not following appropriate protocol yeah it's it's uh awfully smart for isis to claim responsibility for every terrorist bombing as though they are everywhere all the time you know like a terrorist sure like like terrorists that creating terror right that seems to help them when they take

responsibility for things you know things that are terrifying right and it's a really good gamble to make because oftentimes people don't survive these attacks so they aren't there to say no i wasn't with them or anything like that even then it's always a good gamble because what are you are people going to be mad at you that you're lying no you're already a terrorist you're already a terrorist group yeah and two enough people are going to believe you regardless of whether or not they even they know that it's true yeah like alex or or whoever in game theory that's what's called like a dominating strategy yeah that's a win-win any other move is stupid yeah and you have to do it quick because another terrorist group might do the same thing right so you got to be the first one

and that's why there's misreporting very generally it'd be awful if like the sons of anarchy tweeted that they did it that's show yeah exactly okay it's ron pearlman this is right as europe says no to the banker takeover oh look terrorists teach you better do what the government says we keep you safe man dresses police officer opens fire now reportedly there's been shootings that we should have just shifted to this earlier this is so big at a summer camp also in norway four killed and i guess this is why al-qaeda hitting again we were told why al-qaeda was about to attack we'll see who and they say was dressed like a cop help us they yelled four killed the answers get a second amendment there in norway hey dumb fuck guess what you can own guns in norway there don't

don't they have a shit ton of guys they don't have a second amendment because that's a american construct right but you eight guess what second amendment to what hey guess what i know from reading his goddamn manifesto he bought the guns in norway legally you can buy guns except for automatic weapons in norway they just have some standards like in terms of if you're gonna buy a gun you need to have some training courses and you need to give a valid reason for why you would want it some of the reasons that they allow are hunting yeah sports right recreation self-defense or track or track and field through doing the shot point exactly or if you are employed in a like protective security guard yeah yeah yeah those are all valid reasons right norway for you to own a gun

alex you are a gun guy you should know gun laws guns are not outlawed in norway the same way he would like that to be the case right i would say that the reason that the people were unarmed is because they were on an island on a summer camp and there was a guard there and andres brevick was i wouldn't say smart enough but he was aware enough to kill that guy immediately so he took that guy out it's almost like he targeted the guy with a gun right in order to neutralize so what alex's only argument is like every one of those children should have had a gun right and that's what i don't want ever to be the case yeah in our world exactly that's absolutely the wrong angle on this they were at a fucking camp where they're learning and they're they're clearly

politically motivated because it's a labor party uh political camp yeah so like they're there they're having a good time you got to assume that if they're like a lot of the people were under 18 who were there they're probably fucking nerds yeah you know like i don't mean that to be a dig i i hung out with all the kids who did model you well yeah they're political that's that's awesome all the debate kids they're fucking nerds that's great and it's really hard to zipline when you have an ak on your back you don't want them having guns absolutely and well not because of anything that i would do i just i just going from like yeah just going from like they're political nerds yeah you don't want them having guns well you don't want them having guns because they would not

know how to use them they're not the sort of fantasy rambo kid that alex is probably imagining right two of the kids were fucking 14 who got killed right like it's disgusting yeah just to just to be super clear if you're listening to this none of the only reason we are laughing is because this this tragedy is just beyond comprehension that it's the only way to live not only that that is a part of it but the prescriptions that alex is making are fucking lunatic yeah like and what we're doing is laughing about this stupidity of what he's trying to say like oh well they need a second amendment in norway no they fucking don't to what the us constitution you can have guns and the idea of like oh there was no one to protect those kids on the island there was the guy killed

him immediately and you don't want these kids having guns it would it would make for first of all not a fun camp experience and then second of all like like we're joking around about they are they don't want to have guns they want to go to camp you fuck so god this sucks this whole fucking thing just sucks every part of being alive now kind of just sucks yep so now it's gonna suck even more i'm gonna get into the the manifesto now that alex has uh alex has brought back up alex has a copy of the manifesto no he doesn't but he's brought back up the situation and one of the most difficult things when i was planning on how we were gonna cover this episode is like at what point do we get into this and i i don't know i don't know if this is the best time to get into it but

we got this is when we are doing it so uh 90 minutes prior to embarking on the attack andres brevick emailed uh his 1500 and 18 page manifesto to approximately a thousand email addresses that he had farmed from european patriot facebook account that's too long he spent hours and hours and hours and days farming these email addresses off facebook accounts because he wanted to try and make contacts within super reactionary patriot based european facebook group this is why even if you're fucking crazy you need an editor 1508 pages a lot of it is copy and pasted from various other sources too long he copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from like the unabombers manifesto but he replaced every time he said black people with muslims yeah uh he replaced uh like other he clearly

was trying to make it his own while copy and pasting like yeah i would i would say probably at least hundreds of pages are just things he's copying right from shit even chapter house dune only had like 600 pages man yeah come on the outrageously long document lays out his anti political correctness anti feminism anti islam and pro hard right nationalism clear his day it even describes exactly why he committed these terrorist attacks how he planned the attacks for nine years before carrying them out and how he lamented that he had to work alone because he couldn't risk anyone else being involved because you know you can't risk that sort of thing whether or not they might give up uh to police or whether or not it would be a risk

for them to know about it when you go through with it it could jeopardize their safety which once again brings us back to a conspiracy is the worst idea right it's the worst idea a legitimate conspiracy is a real gamble yeah it's a terrible idea so i set out to read anders breviks manifesto and i was immediately overwhelmed by the length i braced myself and dug in but ultimately had to concede there's no way i was ever gonna read all this bullshit i made it through a couple hundred pages at least but hundreds of pages go by with rambling complaints about history ranging from decrying the evils of cultural marxism deciding crimes muslims committed in the 11 hundreds is proof that islam is incompatible with western democracy and he did put some cookie recipes in

there though that are actually pretty good well if you're saying cookie and you mean bomb yes oh no i thought i was like i don't normally like raisin cookies but i heard that his are pretty good i wish there was that would actually i would have really been kind of based on like the like how much nonsense is in there i really wouldn't be surprised right it wouldn't be like oh and by the way uh my favorite sunday he has i like to wake up at about nine he has like legitimate pages upon pages of various different like armor schematics you could use if you wanted to commit smash and grab terrorist attacks great so like the idea that there would be a cookie recipe not not as yeah over 1500 fucking pages yeah it's entirely possible you you didn't even finish it it's entirely possible maybe they

are in there i skimmed all of it and i could say there aren't cookie recipes there aren't cookie recipes i'm sorry to report that all right fine but though i skimmed some of it and like i said i read at least a couple hundred pages of this thing you don't need to read this whole document to see shocking parallels with alex jones's worldview for instance on page 13 he says quote the totalitarian nature of political correctness can be seen on campuses where pc is taken over the college freedom of speech of the press and even thought are all eliminated or you can skip to page 29 where you find this quote today the feminization of european culture moving rapidly since the 1960s continues to intensify indeed the present day radical feminist assault through support of mass

muslim immigration has political parallel to their anti-colonial efforts oh do you mean this current assault is in part a continuation of a century old effort to destroy traditional european structures the very foundation of european culture indeed the feminization of european culture is nearly completed and the last bastion of male domination the police force and military is under assault that sounds an awful like uh an awful lot like alex jones saying that oh these strong powerful feminists just roll over they want to be dominated by the muslims yep yep yep yep and also i have nothing other to say then yep i it is i mean at the very end there's nothing more trendy than having a muslim boyfriend to beat your ass i mean at the very least this guy is it you know it

finally honest about the police and the military being a fucking toxic masculinity white dominated me he doesn't see it that way he sees that is a good thing exactly but at least he's telling the truth about it alex won't tell the truth about it so brevick he thinks it's a good thing but he won't say it there's so many more parallels jesus brevick decries cultural marxism as a quote quiet revolution propagating a european hate ideology with the goal of destroying western civilization and which was white and stern and which was anti god anti christian anti family anti nationalist anti patriot anti conservative anti hereditarian anti ethnocentric anti masculine anti tradition and anti morality what are you salinger putting all that list together that

it sounds exactly that's exactly alex's rant exactly talks about the globalists exactly now cultural marxism is this idea that you could just replace globalists whenever he says cultural marxism because it's the same idea that alex jones puts out into the world for those who don't know cultural marxism is this idea that like classical economic marxist ideas had to do largely with the redistribution of power that sort of thing the redistribution of of economic power right so people who are like really into the cultural marxist idea is the idea of multiculturalism feminism race rights those sorts of things have to do with a cultural version of marxism wherein you're trying to redistribute the power forcefully and it's what they're trying to imply

it's it's saying what they're trying to imply is that the idea that everybody should have a an equitable existence wherein there is no domination by any one of these groups of all the others right that is a stealth way of creating that like that soviet era communism which again economic system the issue was the government system not not the not the concepts behind hey maybe everybody shouldn't be fucking starving to death right it was the oligarchy that caused everybody to starve to get to death which once again we live in such let's not go too far down this road right i have more things i need to apologize apologies on page 47 he makes the same argument that alex does about how their opponents refuse to engage with ideas and just

shut them down by calling them bigots quote all discussion could be sabotaged with the simple technique of shouting slogans prejudice myth racism islamophobia take the struggle from the common battlefield of argument into the opponent's camp his self-esteem as a member of civilized society that abhors ugly things like prejudice and islamophobia are you recognizing in this manifesto not only the everything that represents modern alex jones but also so much that represents the modern day right did he just go to a pool supply store and like saw three muslim women and nady was like alex jones has this all right no i thought maybe we shouldn't allow white people in pool supply stores that might solve some problems that might solve a bit superficially it's a good

start his plan for the future is specifically pro russia provided that russia kicks out all the muslims who live there of course and he's also pro apartheid south africa coincidentally so is alex if one of his soldiers that he imagines the president yeah if one of the soldiers in andres breviks army that he imagines existing which doesn't uh... bret gets arrested brevik has a whole speech prepared for them in his manifesto to recite in court it's a twenty five dollar postcard that you have to you got an order it's not laminated the uh... the speech that he has for them it includes the thomas jefferson quote the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants which coincidentally

is something alex jones has at least once per show probably a coincidence that the other quote that he has in his speech that these people are supposed to read in court is mark twain's quote during a time of change the patriot is scarce man he's hated and scorned when his cause succeeds however the time timid joined him when the car when it costs nothing to be a patriot for them it costs nothing to be a patriot which again is something that alex says all the fucking time people are using the exact same tropes in terms of pushing their uh... idea of what they want the world to be and how to justify their actions all of which are perversions of the meaning of those quote to some extent reading through this rambling manifesto everything is

an alex jones talking point quote the patriarchy must be established a reestablished quote news corporations controlled by cultural marxist multiculturalists are gay engaging in full scale war against cultural conservatism and nationalism quote for every newborn muslim in europe the cultural marxist multiculturalists will automatically get one more vote as we all know 98 percent of muslims give their votes to multiculturalism quote demography is king quote the traditional family is under attack it goes on and on to the point where it's hard to see a difference between brevik and alex's vision of an ideal society brevik describes his quote one islam cannot be present to an ethnic homogenous people three and educated people with high average

iq four cultural conservative policies nationalistic policies five free market all of this is exactly what alex would be in line with whether he would be fucking i wouldn't say brave enough because that has a positive connotation but whether or not he would have to wear with all to actually say things like what i would like is islam to be gone what i would like is an ethnically homogenous people to be around me whether or not he has the i would say foolishness because he knows that he's trying to make money off this stuff yeah he does believe those things absolutely his actions imply very clearly that that's something that he's into him and andres brevik see exactly the same positive vision of what they want in the

future yeah 64 times in the manifesto brevik cites robert spencer the anti muslim proprietor of the website jihad watch coincidentally robert spencer is a regular guest on alex's show and alex uses jihad watch as a source constantly brevik was a big admirer of geert wilders someone alex actively campaign that's who i was thinking about alex actively campaign for him and said was part of the quote nationalist resurgence brevik said of wilders he's one of the few who can quote truly claim to be conservative parties in their whole culture brevik also in his manifesto expresses support for the english defense league in his uh but says that he thinks that they're hopelessly naive before committing his attacks brevik helped create a norway satellite of the edl

the norway defense league the edl in case you've forgotten was created by tommy robinson alt-right personality vox day admires and loves andres brevik he refers to him on his blog is st brevik that's not good vox day has been a guest on alex jones's show as recently as twice in august 2018 you read through this manifesto and all you see are the modern right yeah in our country it's horrifying this is what i'm talking about when i said i didn't understand like i knew he was a bigot terrorist and all that stuff but reading through this manifesto in as much as i did is a terrifying experience because what you see and i'm not saying that

all of these people have read his manifesto and are going off of it that would be fucking stupid of me to assume but what you see are proto talking points of the alt-right world that we are experiencing right now which is not the alt-right world which is nazis which is the entire republican party and again the reason that it's so complicated because we're specifically talking about him is because he in his manifesto is very specifically anti-nazi although it should be noted that while he was in prison he did come out and say i'm a nazi now because who knows but because he finally read nazi literature and was like oh shit you guys totally fucking got what i was saying or maybe the tide had changed and it was okay to call yourself a fucking nazi or the people who are

sending him messages of support were national socialists right and neo nazis and he realized like well all right maybe this is my team after all i'm in prison what am i going to do so i'm a nazi now guys hey how's it going so i i assume this means that you have completed your uh your circle of coming around to the right should just simply be ignored and demolished no maybe demolished but not ignored i think no i i yeah exactly i think that what you see here i think in 2011 this world was not what it is now in terms of the alex wasn't even that in 2011 in terms of his vociferous anti-muslim sentiment at least open about it the the traction that had been gained by organizations like um uh rebel media uh people like jack pasobak um people

like lauren southern all the anti-immigrant sentiment that has come to be such a part of our political dialogue that it shouldn't be these negative and ill um meaning bad faith actors that are clogging up um our political discourse including our goddamn president whether or not they know it i believe that they are very very inspired by the manifesto that andris brevick put out and i don't think in any way that he was the beginning of any of these thoughts don't get me wrong i'm not suggesting that but i think that his martyrdom in quotes that neo-nazis anti-muslim folk experienced led to an elevation of a lot of the talking points that he put through in his manifesto he was just talking about ethics in gaming journalism right

i think he got a lot more traction than maybe even he realizes uh from his cell do you mean translating uh do you mean transforming the entire fucking uh open consciousness of the right obviously again it's stupid to say no they haven't they haven't read it they came they came to the same conclusions on their own because of their fucking it's just fucking jarring to see specific people mentioned in the manifesto that alex jones respects and loves it's jarring to see the exact talking points if you just replace cultural marxists with globalists it's fucking insane yeah so the similarities that we're seeing here are very very troubling i think that's fair to say i don't know why i'm asking for confirmation of course they are you're looking at me like dan how dare you

and that's fair so they're really troubling because now it's time to explain the name of his manifesto it's called 2083 a european declaration of independence because toward the tail end of his very long very dumb document anders brevik lays out his vision of what will happen in the future namely a three phase european civil war which he believed he would help start leading to the white europeans reclaiming their world in 2083 any thoughts i don't want to i don't want to steam roll you here uh i mean to be honest my first thought is not to engage with the content and instead to instead to say not very ambitious dude that's a long wait well that's a long wait 2083 none of us are even going to be around but he didn't what is he not even believe in climate

change we're all going to be dead by then anyways weirdly this 1500 page document doesn't give his does it doesn't give us even a climate change i feel like that's an important thing that is weird because that would accelerate his timeline at least what with all the refugees coming in from all the different places i think the the white ethno civil war is going to happen a lot sooner than fucking that and also god mother fucking what what the why are we but so are you sure we can't kill him i can't i know that yeah okay so okay sonia no she's in sweden sonia this is in she's closer i'm not saying that she's in sweden or that she's in norway i'm just saying sonia's not a murderous force but she's got to have a friend in norway you got to have one friend

in norway i don't but i feel like i should that should be like a universal thing your calls for murder are going to be so much i want to i want to i want to just a pen pal in norway so who is willing to murder this guy i think you have to oceans 11 it though because he's in this really high secure he's one of the most highly secured prisoners in the entire country yeah a fucking course and he's the prisoner who's like uh has the longest sentence in that sort of confinement ever because i mean if you read his manifesto it's fucking clear his planning like yeah he was doing this for years he started a company specifically to get enough money in order to do the attack he ended up getting like two million uh what i i don't remember the currency in norway i apologize

but it would have been something it would be hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of money from this company and then walked away from it because he was just trying to raise the money in order to fund his ability to plan this attack that didn't happen for nine years after like it's a it's a ludicrous level of like very specific information that like anybody who anybody who wants to be like this was something that the globalists set up or something like that they're not engaging with the very very available information that comes from him do we have any like indication of was there like a turning point yeah it was the serbian bombing in the 90s is the serbian body how old was he i don't know he's 39 now the serbian bombing so what he would

have been like 17 probably something like that yeah i don't know no no even even less than that like 14 but i also feel like uh people who do these sorts of things um i would i'd be pretty comfortable in assuming that they kind of create a heroic mythology around themselves of course and maybe there's an unreal unreliable narrator aspect to exactly why they're doing what they're doing he says he's radicalized by the serbian bombing but really all that was was to give him cover and make him a hero possible when in reality this kind of bigotry was instilled with him from the fucking jump do we know anything about his parents yeah yeah his mom um i the only thing i know about his mom from his uh manifesto is that she had an std he feels really bad about it his sister that's

a weird thing to put in the in your manifesto his sister a weird thing to put in your manifesto his sister also had an std um what like everybody has hpv what are you gonna judge them he believes that it brought shame to the family wait that doesn't make any sense it does if you just consider his sort of matron uh patriarchal views and stuff like that like women should be in the fucking kitchen um and not fucking people his childhood that he describes involves like perceived slights by pakistanis and arabes yeah and stuff like that so obviously that stuff was already in him from the jump yeah one thing that he can guarantee is that he's seen more racism coming from pakistanis and arabes towards white people than ever white people against pakistanis and muslim

like that that's crazy i had a friend in like junior high uh who hated muslims and i mean he was sort of before the game a little bit but the reason that he did is because his dad was in business and he got uh in a deal with a couple of individual people arabic people and the deal went bad and the dad i guess complained so much that his middle school child sort of extrapolated and generalized that to all people who are arabic or muslims and you read this you read this manifesto and the stuff he talks about from like his childhood i think there's a little a little kernel of that so that hatred was already there i don't want to psychoanalyze and say like you don't care about the serbian bombings and stuff like that because i don't really give a shit right that's not as

important as how fucked up this fucking document is yeah quote if we had executed let's say a hundred thousand marxist intellectuals in western europe after world war two and banned all forms of marxist doctrine we could have prevented the creation of anti-european hate ideology known as multiculturalism god how do you do that mental gymnastics it's absolutely essential that we the cultural conservative patriots of europe do not repeat this mistake again in all our efforts must be to target and execute the multiculturalists wherever we find them in phase one two or three of the european civil war he goes on to advocate against the deportation of muslims but for an even worse reason than you would guess quote the biggest threat to an effective and thorough lynching

campaign is the temptation to commence the deportation of muslims this is why a lynching force should only contain soldiers under professional leadership with a given unofficial and clandestine date uh uh no no pass pass no what no what don't ever and somebody you're talking about me reading this no okay i'm talking about the calling for a lynching force no that's no good i know and this is awful but my position is i'm reading all of this because it to not is not to show what the logical consequence of the similar rhetoric that alex jones and this guy put out into the world exactly your your ultimate point if i understand it correctly is that if you actually believe any of this shit if you put this rhetoric how then this is the only way this is the only thing that makes

sense i'm not saying that his actions are logical because they fucking aren't but if you stipulate alex jones's worldview there's no reason not to dedicate yourself for years to planning some sort of event that you think is going to kick off a civil war in europe against the multiculturalist forces that you think are ruining white european culture right there's no what there's it does it does make logical sense in that twisted mind if he had never killed anybody alex would treat him as a hero probably if you was like some sort of jordan peterson's public intellectual yeah who just put this out so then the fucking new yorker would do a profile on him is how this fucking fuck you fuck this whole fucking this whole fucking thing man join oh god damn it

hold it sorry so brevet sorry brevet gives gives advice on assassinations in his manifesto quote it's much more rational and pragmatical to focus on the easier unprotected targets instead of sacrificing good men on an impossible target going on to explain that the best targets are cultural Marxist professors quote the operational goal should be to execute five category b traders within two hours plan ahead so you're prepared to assault five targets in succession you'll you'll usually always be caught so instead of going home and waiting for someone to knock on your door move swiftly to your second target then the third etc he advises using a flame thrower should you let's say try and attack a meeting of multiculturalist politicians

noting that quote a severely burned category a or b trader will in reality become a living symbol of what awaits individuals guilty of trying to sell their own people into islamic slavery they will act as a deterrent and contribute to spread fear in the hearts of the rest of the traders and will thus cause more ideological damage than that of a dead body he or she will become a living testament to what will happen to any and all category a and b traders and everyone will learn that high treason is not without risks you can't call white people terrorists though dan never now i mean maybe his goal is specifically to spread fear but that's not a terrorist go to the oed he thinks that journalists are traders just like alex and the president

quote there are annual gatherings for journalists in all western european countries these gatherings are considered the most attractive targets for large-scale shock attacks due to the amount and quality of category b traders he also legitimately advocates using weapons of mass destruction against multi-culturalism quote efforts must be made to employ precision wmds when fighting the cultural marxist multiculturalist regimes of western europe especially explosive weapons barrack buster types uh fertilizer bombs and the like other types of weapons of mass destruction biological and chemical must be considered as realistic options as well he includes dozens of pages of very specific instructions on how to make bombs he includes a detailed breakdown of

all the various metals people would be awarded for killing traders once his revolution kicks off he includes insanely complicated operation plans for a text as extreme as bombing power plants he spends countless hours of his life putting together this manifesto and it's clear from the text that he knew when he was writing it that he was going to kill a bunch of people he wrote this manifesto and carried out his attacks because he believed the same things that alex jones does namely that muslims are a destructive force and they'll destroy western culture and they're being aided and abetted by a traitorous government force andrews brevik calls them cultural marxists alex calls them globalists but they're talking about exactly the same thing

here's why this is all of the utmost importance andrews brevik his manifesto and his attacks represent as i've said the logical end result of the rhetoric that both he and alex jones employ they believe nearly identical things about the world but one of them is willing to put those beliefs into action the other mostly wants to make money off trying to coax others into doing the dirty work for him and that is my position on all of this my position is that i think anders brevik was elected president under the name andrew jackson i mean there's similarities he does talk about like paths where you can deport people like he does have like a almost trail of tier z plans inside sure does because he's not talking about a genocide of muslims

which i don't know if that's to his credit or not i'd say it's not i don't think we give him credit for anything i think we just let that let's never use that word that's like i wish i could cite whose tweet it was but that that great tweet is like under no circumstances when talking about isis do you have to give it to him i gotta give it to isis they sure know how to take uh take credit for the fucking the terrorist attacks they didn't do and i'll i'll uh i'll point a finger at myself there i wasn't going down that line but i was way too close because he's not advocating for genocide in all of it he does just talk about like send them back to countries that we can then uh you know exploit you know like that that it's all that sort it's it's essentially genocide through a

different name right yeah and i want to i i would like as as relevant as this is to our fucking world and alex jones it's really important to know that this is the entire philosophy from the beginning of america totally this is the this is what america is built upon and if you cannot we don't like you don't like using the words but yes if you can't accept that that's that's what the constitution was written about that's what it was and that's how to imagine that anders brevik is some sort of outlier some sort of like whoa this is something so far outside of what the human race has ever even considered just but really remember that 1776 is fucking anders brevik what about 2.0 oh that one is even more anders brevik and that's why reading over this manifesto

was such a dark look in the mirror to some extent yeah like not that i believe it and like looking in the mirror i'm the finger is pointing at me but right you see such a reflection of very familiar things in a place that you wish you wouldn't you know like you read the manifesto and the writings of this person and you see like oh wow this is a lot of stuff we've talked about before like the idea of bringing back the patriarchy like the idea that the traditional family is under attack these are large-scale things that he was primarily motivated by under the attack on uh that he felt was upon him by cultural marxists by political correctness things that are exactly the same that alex feels right i don't know what to do with this other than

to say fucking just take a second to like i wouldn't say anyone go read that manifesto it's way too long and it was a very disappointing night of my life but if you do go and read it you'll see you'll see our show quite frankly you'll see the stuff we talk about right and it's it's profoundly fucked up which is also why we will never become popular so now i told you jordan because my dark mirror is i think episode one where that guy fucks a pig and i don't want to talk about what i did growing up but technically that's black mirror not technically my episode was that one where everyone's on the treadmill and i ended up crying uh a lot oh did you end up crying i'm not watching the show anymore like this is too fucking real yeah no shit right this show

right i'll go back and watch it eventually anyway it's pretty good i want to tell you that all is not horrible and we're about to get very surreal because andres breviks 1500 page manifesto at about page 1410 he starts to lay out something of a weird diary documenting his journey towards his perceived martyrdom uh noting that he started working on this manifesto in 2006 five years before the eventual attacks so he's also inspired by kafka what do you mean oh you've never read kafka's diaries no i i understand but i don't i don't know exactly the the one to one never mind all right dammit so he started in 2006 on his manifesto and this compendium as he calls it he had started on his actual planning for the attack four years prior to that so he's

nine years of planning five for the the manifesto but this diary dude it gives such a weird fucking picture and these dates that he describes are fucking surreal yeah when you consider that he knew as he was writing this the eventual end goal is he's gonna kill a bunch of people for his perceived slights that he has about multiculturalism when you read this you get a very disappointing sad picture of a person did he also prophesy my birth because that would have been really weird no but from autumn 2009 quote my best friend peter's 30th birthday we're going to budapest to party hard for five days what is what no you don't get to do that hold on you don't get to do that hungarian girls are hot as hell too bad i have to avoid relationships for the good of my mission

doesn't hurt hurt to have a little fun and then there's an emoticon with the he's got an emoticon you're not allowed to use those in his manifesto you're not allowed to use those it's the two i's and then a d it's a colon d big smiling face have you ever considered why we don't have any goddamn teenage girl serial killers fucking christ i don't think i've consumed this much alcohol for many years totally awesome that's in the manifesto i can't we can't we kill him from january i've never been more sure of anything somehow after that i'm like no no questions from january 2010 quote regret to admit i've become notorious as a downloader of pirated movies series and games etc but i've noticed an increasing number of sites have been closed down lately stealing is bad i

admit but then again when you've devoted your entire life to a good cause you can allow yourself some naughtiness especially if it can contribute to your lack of funds cough yes yes no one's perfect colon pee like that the tongue out emoticon yeah i got it yep there's a whole multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to prog are you sure this isn't written entirely an ascii format as well no dude this is my favorite thing because like i i want to say like i don't want to like soften and make light this horrible horrible person but if you actually read his diary you get a glimpse of a really pathetic dude and i think that that's a part of it now but and now hold on and this is something we talked about pre-show as to whether or not it should be brought up in our in our context

but if you want to go with a further parallel i find it hard not to put this together with alex jones watching transport well and you know what i'm saying as we talked about before we got on air and i'm fine that it's come up um i don't have a real comment on it and one of the things that we always talk about is hypocrisy is meaningless to people with no shame yeah so uh i choose to focus on the rhetoric that he puts out that is horrible whether or not he looks at a specific pornography doesn't charm me it doesn't do anything but that's why i was pointing it out at like i genuinely was like you know what let's just let this one go everybody else can dunk on him the way that they want to right until you brought it up within the context of this guy's weird manifesto diary

including all of this like right all of this shit that i espouse i you know you still gotta get your rocks off like that to me is that concept you should hold on to that thought because god damn it that exact thing that you're sort of wait he literally says we get your rocks off no not a quote but with a smiley face emoji with a tongue out yeah yeah the p one that idea that you're expressing is going you're gonna get away matter at a later entry but let's get to it great later as we get to it because i need to talk about this this is my favorite thing if there is anything funny in his manifesto it's this and that is that there is a multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to prog to buy weapons because he saw a bbc special about how

there are a lot of hardened criminals in prog it starts with him talking about his fears of being killed there which transitions into him being surprised if not he's not at all scared once he gets there in which he specifically cites hey there aren't any muslims watching him he ultimately fails to find any guns to buy in prog but reassures himself that quote regardless of the outcome of this mission i've had a great vacation and have experienced most of the historical sites and a lot of amazing architecture i've also partied a lot with the people i met at the hostel sonia get on a plane and kill him sonia you have a mission he also talks about fucking two girls while he was in prog because he was afraid he's gonna die on that

trip i really really want to make this clear sonia do not do anything like that please oh my god i don't want to even if she wanted i know but maybe look i don't want to be that guy so he i don't want to specific like give give like no no you're fine he's like i fuck these two girls in prog look i know that i don't look that's not my kind of thing but like i might have died on this trip so i gotta fuck it's like dude just fucking live your life stop it with this shit yeah so from a november 2010 post quote i'm currently watching dexter the series is about a forensic mass murderer quite hilarious oh i'm also playing right dude i'm also playing fallout 3 new vegas at the moment after finishing bio shock 2 i'm going to try the new world of warcraft cataclysm when it's

released in december time to dust off my mage that's in his fucking manifesto this is legitimately gamergate writ large does the dates match up 2011 2011 i don't know i think gamergate was probably more like 2013 2014 it was later than that but it's that which again not to not to paint a broad brush by any stretch but that subsection of of like that toxic masculinity as it applies to any kind of nerd culture right winds up being a portal to this it's fascinating you know it's fascinating that you see that yeah and then it's also fascinating that in the you know with mass killers there's always a sort of anger or violence against women and i'm not entirely always but i'm not sure i actually see from his manifesto of violence against women but as i've already mentioned

he specifically talks about his mom and his sister having std's that have brought shame to the family so that mentality is definitely there whether or not there's actual domestic violence uh there there's the the kernel of it but no one ever proves why masculinity is worse than people who exhibit the idea that masculinity is great advocate for it yeah yeah but jordan perhaps the most jarring passage from this journal uh entry uh in his manifesto not a huge fan of spyro the dragon no that was from his uh lawsuit against the his uh his job yeah his prison yeah i don't want to play spyro listen i've got a playstation two i can't get any of the fucking mario games alex's voice now i am yeah you're right oh shit i completely forgot that we weren't talking do

it's reasonable think of that's reasonable think about how directly that proves your point entirely to some extent i forgot that we weren't talking about alex in this point i think he actually specifically in his lawsuit complained about vector man that's not it ray man or something like that it's some ray man isn't very good that's probably what he was complaining about yeah so here's the most jarring passage quote i'm trying to avoid relationships as it would complicate my plans and may jeopardize my operation and i don't feel comfortable manipulating girls anymore into one night stands i'm not the person i'm not that person anymore i did screw two girls in prog this is where i i i i brought this up already i did screw two girls in prog though but that was

mainly because it was a realistic chance that i would end up dead during the process of establishing a weapons connection i won't make any effort to try and completely justify it though human males are imperfect by default and they're plagued by their biological needs nevertheless screwing around outside of marriages after all a relatively small sin compared to the huge amounts of grace i'm about to generate with my martyrdom operation could hold on it is essential that you do what is required to keep morale and motivation at high level especially just prior to operation critical moments i've reserved 2000 euro from my operations budget which i intend to spend on high quality model escort girl one week prior to execution of the mission i'll probably arrange that just

before or after i attend my final martyrs mass at frogner church it will contribute to ease my mind as i imagine i'll be tense and very nervous it's easier to face death if you know you're biologically mentally and spiritually at ease could look now by no means am i disparaging the sex worker community nor the people who search them out for any number of possible reasons no however in your manifesto about how the patriarchy is great please don't fucking elucidate why the patriarchy is terrible right and then also the only thing like not the only thing but one of the things that i felt when i read that passage is like how fucking horrible is that to put that sex worker through that like she doesn't know the context of all this now the idea that she went and did a job and then

maybe a couple weeks later that she found out she was the yeah all these people all my fucking god that's so unfair to her i don't i mean i don't that's a smaller totally like like no i agree with you i had a visceral response to that but it's certainly much smaller than a lot of the other fucking details right right right so now we get to some unsurprising pieces of information that we find from his journal uh here's a revelation that he makes quote if he hates the welsh man i really got to change my whole life fuck the welsh quote quote approximately four years ago in 2006 just before i started writing this compendium i decided to move from my apartment in frogner one of the most pricey areas in oslo home to my mother so he was living with his mom the entire time that he

was making this compendium and planning his attack ugly oh and also he was doing steroids the whole time he was planning this attack quote initiated third steroid test cycle three weeks on wisterol tabs 40 milligrams a day followed by three weeks of dbol tabs 40 milligrams per day way decreased from 86 kilograms to 93 kilograms no side effects cycle completed with great success i've never in my life been more physically fit than i am today strength increased by 30 to 50 percent which will prove useful there's a bunch of instances of him talking about his steroid use and then even beyond that uh he talks about stacking um like uh fedrin with caffeine yeah so he's on like uh you know just sort of over the counter speed and steroids the entire time

which does um you know if you look at the science has uh increased uh parallel with sort of delusional thinking yeah manic uh sort of behavior so violence yeah all that sort of stuff really makes sense you you you sort of parse through the little details that you can find in his manifesto and it starts to make crystal clear like the entrenched bigotry that he already has inside him the diminished capabilities and capacity that he has based on his drug use the clear psychopathy that he has that you can just glean from his own writing but i think more importantly is all the very one-to-one parallels with alex like it's it's it's strange to me like anytime you toss that like it does absolutely increase the possibility of a manic episode right

and it is terrifying to me because i am somebody who up until i was uh properly medicated at like what 25 right experience consistent manic episodes so you you look at that and you see the possibility of if i had those thought patterns right it's entirely possible that i would have committed some sort of a crime absolutely not on that not on that scale by no means but for the grace of god go you yeah and it's it's it's it's terrifying it's really terrifying to to note that at the truly at the end of the day this is a brain malfunction yeah this is this is a this is a disease yeah and so and so you like what do you what do you how do you treat a disease like this you know i know and to to be honest like the thing that i come away from is i think this is

unavoidable like i don't i don't mean that to be like no absolutely it's fine no but the the the lack of willingness to consider that the thoughts he was having were wrong or were coming from an unhealthy place the fact that he kept this to himself for years exactly as he documents uh the fact that he laments the unwilling he's unable to tell anyone else about his plans bring people into the fold yeah like that sort of thing the fact that he is so resolute with this sort of thing i really don't think that anything you can do can mitigate someone like andrew's brevic yeah and that really bums me out because you know you the people with mental illness there's help for you if you're willing to get it yeah and i would love to take this opportunity

to get on a soapbox and say like if only someone were there to help him at x y or z time yeah but from the stuff that i've read from the his writings that i've read i don't think that he would never have sought out that help i don't think it's possible past um like a like maybe when he was 12 or something like that yeah it would have the breaking point was probably much earlier in his life than people generally think which once again goes back to alex's rhetoric and alex's life exactly like that idea of no they're going to neuter you they're going to destroy what you think is is a your masculine energy and all of that stuff and what in reality they're going to do is actually fucking help you be a human hope instead of a monster yeah hopefully find some sort of integration

of the ideas you have make them face reality yeah that sort of thing and i don't know man it's a it's a huge bummer um i don't i don't think that of course i don't think that mental illness is fully responsible for his actions in the same way that i don't think that the rhetoric and the narratives uh that are very similar to alex's rhetoric and narratives i don't think they're a hundred percent to blame for his actions there's a very complicated bouillabaisse going on here this yeah of of of things and the only reason that i think it's super duper important to our stuff is that the narratives are the part that you can change yeah the the the mental health stuff you can't change too but it's mostly upon you yeah to to we can't help people with that we can encourage

people to you know you know stop saying you're bullshit self analyze uh if you feel you need help you should go try and uh apprise yourself of the help that's available if you suspect you need help the narratives and the rhetoric are the part that's like it's there we can talk about this it's all bullshit yeah so now we get back to the episode oh yeah that's right i forgot we were doing this show um so we've now sort of gotten into exactly what motivated andris brevick the entirety of this this is you there's a pretty clear picture that you can glean from it um and now alex gets into saying that it's it's probably al-qaeda seven people killed by the bomb blast two seriously injured police are saying they believe the person

responsible the bomb to be a foreigner uh according to bbc well they arrest you over there every criticize foreigners uh but the attacker uh god i wish we could arrest you now arrested look norwegian there you go white al-qaeda hit and hit are right when they come out and say white al-qaeda is going to hit and and they show the white people you know the blue eyes in the in the headdresses boom they're hitting see see headdresses they're rebranding white al-qaeda is hitting it goes on witnesses have managed to escape from the island says a n r k reports on the spots to the perpetrator had a norwegian look he uh should be around 185 to 190 centimeters tall and have blonde hair white al-qaeda white white al-qaeda was coming both of them were gonna announce it so this is also just

a making a straw man out of the the dhs reports and stuff like that the only thing he could possibly be hearkening back to is like years prior there was that john walkerland who was the white guy who left his privileged life yeah yeah i recall alongside but he or the or they're like arrested in 2001 right but there are there are a couple instances of like burgdoll of like that that you know a couple of girls who are like 19 who went and joined isis thinking that it was a it happens from time to time yeah it's not a huge thing but but to you back to your point of the the booyah base like there does require a certain a perfect storm of factors that go into this otherwise we would see this a whole fucking lot more right you know like look there are seven

billion people on this dumb stupid fucking planet that we are that we're destroying it is it is at least i i suppose a positive that it's like out of seven billion people it takes that many people to generate this kind of level of psychopath monster i don't know i don't know if that's cold comfort yeah no fucking shit yeah i don't imagine if there was only like 600 000 of us it would take so much longer to get see now you're talking globalist talk i'm just saying go talk i'm just saying you go meditate at the georgia guide stone all i'm saying is that maybe fruity globalist maybe the bad guys in kingsman the secret service just went about it the wrong way you know i haven't seen the movie but i'm sure alex has and is part of his world view probably

so um well that's because samuel jackson was the main bad guy and he's black so of course idris elba can't be bond he should be though yeah i agree um so that the reason that that that last clip is such a weird show we do it's nuts no one should do this show no one should like it we've spent hours now talking about andrew's brevic idris elba should be james bond i don't know how we live we get out of this heavy stuff and all of a sudden we're riffing what the fuck are we doing how we fucking live dad yikes so um the reason that i the that last clip is particularly important to me is because alex jones gets a lot of mileage out of this term white al qaeda that he uses white qaeda i i agree like i said better portmanteau but he says white al qaeda so we have to go

right but maybe even short and further to like white qaeda you're now you're close to wakanda that's too close see now hold on now who would be the mortal enemy more of wakanda than white kanda yeah or white kata yeah see there we go white kanda excuse me excuse me marvel black panther too now has its main enemy hit up your boys i know how to use citrix i can write a script i know where a starbucks is let's do this i got a couple friends who have written spec yeah oh god so the reason the reason that it's really important to me is that he gets a lot of mileage out of the ambiguity that he usually uses with yeah because when he talks about white al qaeda in that last clip he makes it very clear what he's talking about is white people joining al qaeda

and that is the kernel and that's the general use of that term however later not in this episode but later as time goes on he'll repurpose that term into being a way to mock the idea of right wing white terrorism yeah the idea that's like oh they're just using white people now like it's white al qaeda right but in this episode in that last clip he made very clear he's specifically talking about white people joining up with al qaeda which is what the globalists are doing to make everyone scared of white people right all your neighbors could be in al qaeda right it that's the narrative that he's putting forth which is clunky and pretty bad it's especially considering the truth that we know about this attack which was primarily motivated by a guy who hates muslims and thinks that

a group that could be described similarly to the globalist is helping them overrun europe which is exactly what alex jones thinks about the world christ it's nuts the west dan the west the old west the west we gotta we gotta protect them man um they're great yeah everybody knows it yep the west is a myth anyway in this next clip this is one of my favorite like the direction what no that movie north is a man stop it stop it i'm saying stop it i gotta survive i gotta survive i gotta survive dad i like that i'm saying stop it to you it was me who said north look come on what am i supposed to do but set you up yeah um you're you're consistently funnier than me my job is just to remind you to

be funny i'm act i'm i'm often accidentally funny i've never been prouder than when i called uh fucking merle hager to muppet anyway jordan this next clip uh is one of my favorite things in the world it's just evidence that alex jones can't run an operation uh because he just does a business meeting on air basically so what happens is he knows that paul joseph watson is probably gonna do a better job than him about being articulate about stuff at least in a shorter time frame right so he calls paul joseph watson uh but forgets to put him on speakerphone so so he's talking you can hear him but you cannot hear paul joseph watson's he is you might as well be on a bus with him and only listening to his side of the conversation

this next clip is a damning indictment of alex jones because what he's doing is a business meeting on air with paul joseph watson trying to spin the narrative that they want to put out on the website without paul joseph watson's side of the conversation i don't know why he didn't do this in the commercial break that he is clearly coming out of but whatever the case here is alex jones being the worst fucking content producer in the world i'm calling paul joseph watson right now uh in fact if i know watson he's probably already on it they've announced that uh white al-qaeda is running around shooting people in norway you've got the bombing coinciding with it right as they had the rollout of white al-qaeda in the last week and told you that white

qaeda so by this point it's late in the show that's my new fake laugh it's late in the show so i don't know exactly all of the news that had come out but he's already dealing with it as like coordinated but separate attacks when it was the same guy yeah he very clearly did all of it yeah we're going to hit you right as the bankers implode europe and get ready to implode the united states they staged these provocative events to make you rally around and worship them watson hey watson are you there buddy okay i'm live on air right now um you're not punched up i called you on my uh globalist tracking do better iphone and we're using the jack end of the matrix here but uh obviously look we don't have the crew but i'm asking listeners now as i ask you

because this is what really impresses people that aren't awake who don't know the research they do get impressed by precision predictions remember i said white al-qaeda would strike right like fully imploded europe and that uh they would have a rollout of white al-qaeda starting with white target shootings and bombings in europe that would then move to the united states and i've been predicting this i don't know for over a year now with exact precision because i was gauging their propaganda they're we can't do it for over a year with exact precision uh of the public uh so well this is an absolute emergency white al-qaeda attacking shooting people uh in norway like i had to coincide with make sense all car bomb uh i mean this is just absolutely off

the charts this is i believe this is the beginning of their beta testing the rollout of white al-qaeda white qaeda and they're also you know going to have the rollout of muslim extremists linking up uh with the white al-qaeda they teach police white turning veterans they have all these tv shows like homeland and others they're all about that they're going to join al-qaeda fine do this all fair nobody believes that it's just it's just it's just it's just beyond ridiculous but the psi op is launching right as they get ready to fully implode the depression you know i've always laid that out to you um i think i'll put you on speaker uh here watson uh watson do you have any comments on that well alex what i'd like to uh yes for me to go ahead is that uh it should be

white qaeda not white al-qaeda he tries to get pg dibs on speakerphone doesn't really work out not going well and he's like hey bob chapman's coming up you can have a little talk with him bob chapman's on and they can't even get to selling gold alex tries a couple times and it doesn't even work because the news and all that shit right right and at the same time when bob chapman's coming on alex gets a call from someone in norway who's a listener who was there uh when the bomb went off he was nearby and how does how do you say fuck you in uh nor region now this dude was a listener he loves alex okay um and uh it's just a situation where this guy how do you say go home and tell your mother you're brilliant in norway i wish i knew um but this guy just gives

like a basic recounting of the facts you know like hey this was the uh near the prime minister's office and all this stuff alex screams over him and tries to make his narrative like get this guy to agree with yeah yeah points that he's already making right and because the guy's a fame he's like yeah absolutely alex who sure great that that sort of thing and so good work yeah it's a it's as good as no one calling it but i i like that glimpse in that last clip because what we see is what should be a production meeting being done on air you can hear alex being like all right here are the propaganda points that we need to hit to people love precision predictions and i've already decided that this is white al-qaeda right white and i've predicted that in the past so use the fact

that i've predicted that in the past to make an article that sums all of this up and make it make it look like i made a uh like a really amazing prediction even though i'm ignoring the fact that uh details are still all of all of reality yeah but that's what they do this is how propaganda works you're seeing how the sausage is made on air that was a really well one side of the sausage this is an embarrassing thing for him to do like it's just it's just clunky um so uh now hours have passed since he previously said that this was fake yeah and by this point in the show i'm not entirely sure like i don't have a timestamp on this but by the point we're at now well he said it was a false flag he didn't say it was this wasn't it was crisis sectors oh he did say it was staged

well he said 98% chance 2% chance it's real 98% chance it's staged yeah but i think what i think what he meant though was that it happened but it was a lie about how and and who perpetrated it possibly we what we're doing is being far too fair to like what he meant right um but it's now been hours and by this point it's all over yeah by this time that he is now on air this is like in the third hour of the show it's all over um in in norway time right anders brevik has laid his weapons down and been arrested presumably the news reports are reporting that now i'll also say that because of what we've already talked about the victim who was arrested as a supposed accomplice that fake news if you will might be being reported so that's something that

he should take a step back from but it's understandable if he wants to use that in his narratives which at the same time like everybody's action like the idea of arresting that guy in that moment does make sense to you because if you're a norwegian cop how could you possibly deal with this in a rational matter in the moment you know that's like that's the like you're just throwing shit at the wall at that point just like i see something i i don't know what to do yeah that's the that that is the sort of like i definitely understand the mentality i hate the result but i understand the mentality yeah and even then now now the more i think about the more i'm like what if you if you kill that guy if you kill that guy in the moment right while you're on that island

he's a hero he's a martyr he's you don't get any information if you give him a PlayStation 3 what what do you got what do you got who's who's the bigger who's the bigger person who proves who proves what society should be more than the country that is like you're a fucking monster and we will still treat you like a human being that's one of the points that i'd hope to get to is that yeah the entirety if you look at the big picture of this story all it does is disprove everything andres brevik believed in right because the culture that believes in multiculturalism the culture that believes in um acceptance is the same culture that refuses to torture him in prison exactly is the culture that keeps him alive and allows him to play video games so he won't go crazy

right that allows him to have correspondence well he's already gone crazy crazier yeah that allows him to have correspondence with the outside world watch reality shows have a electronic type writer so he can write his manifestos yeah and things like that it's it's a living indictment of uh what he believes in the fact that societies are able to deal with someone like him and not be like you know what we are going to torture you slowly until you die which once again somehow is an indictment of the fucking united states what is it like what have i always i've always believed like the best reaction to 9 11 would have been like this wasn't a country this wasn't a a ideology yeah this was lunatics we condemn these fucking lunatics but you know what we're

going to build these fucking towers back up you have done nothing to us you can't stop us you can't do anything twice that's what i've always believed in yet somehow i get trapped in that idea of like fucking kill him like but but what was the iraq war other than proving that america is garbage well and then proving that that mentality doesn't get you anywhere other than the worst place other than a 20 year yeah it's it's it takes me the man who seeks revenge digs his own grave etc like that whole thing like he is true it takes me back to like it's so frustrating that it's true though i hate that it's true yeah i don't know but it is so at this point like i said we're deep into the show why am i convincing myself not to commit white genocide dan i've been wanting

to for so long because restraint is important i know you're a better person than me i don't know about that it bums me out i don't know anyway i'm gonna kill you oh no that is the logical that is the logical inclusion of my rhetoric yeah the the thing is i i i've been i've nailed this down i believe we're deep into the show now yeah alex should have more information at his disposal and let's see if he does uh blast and gun attack in norway seven dead uh how are the norwegians taking this and why do you think uh the globalist group clearly stage ladies and gentlemen i mean i'd say 98 chance never mind i pass on my earlier argument clearly that was staged fuck off but nothing has changed he's using the exact same narrative that he had at the beginning of the

show it's staged it's the globalist 98 chance when he said yeah 2 chance it's real earlier is saying the exact same goddamn thing you can never you can never believe it statistically believing it is stupid hours later when more information had come in he's being uh the worst journalist in the world so now he talks about what the globalist why would they do this look well i need listeners not to toot my horn but to get all the videos where i lay out exactly how this would start and and if it turns out they say it's wide al-qaeda you know folks who drop in the hammer they're gonna start the arrest the roundups i mean we this means they're getting ready to start a world war three scenario and use it to crack down on domestic groups bob Chapman to you so

you know who was trying to start a world war three scenario anders fucking brevitt it's clear that's what he was doing he was trying part phase one of his three phase war yeah involves these flash attacks one of which he perpetrated which was in order to kick off this three stage european civil war that would lead with the repression of uh of islam as a whole so alex being like the globalists plan to do this like no that was that you are right you're right in terms of the idea right but you're wrong because it was the idea of someone who believes the same things you do right actually doing it which is a a larger uh more perfect point the people who are most similar to anders brevitt are the people that he ostensibly is against like that idea of

muslim extremism like that whole concept of like oh they're trying to start the end times the only people who could possibly understand them are not human beings but christian extremists the only people who can really get exactly why and what they're doing are the people who are trying to do it ostensibly in defense against it you're the same yep you are the same people and this is where it's probably most fitting that i bring up another passage from his manifesto god damn you dan anders brevitt at one i love alex jones is that what he said oh shockingly alex doesn't come okay i'm sorry but to be fair alex wasn't full hog on this rhetoric at that point he's behind the game he wasn't full bogey i don't think so he's only half tilt but he was half tilt

bogey okay but at one point in the um like logistics uh portion of his manifesto anders brevitt talks about the idea of like hooking up with al qaeda because like he could buy weapons from them or something like that yeah so he talks about the idea of getting involved with terrorist groups but at the same time because i'm a terrorist but at the same time if you read all of those passages he talks about how like this could work it probably wouldn't it's not a wise road to go down it's in there in his manifesto as a possible way to get like a wmd of course it's it's like yeah we probably shouldn't do this and i hate those people so why would i do that right but it's in there it's in there the idea like the possibility so the only people that can understand me are the

people who i am ostensibly fighting against exactly i create my own enemies to some extent yep speaking of which god damn it did this next clip is so fucking can we stop being apt this next clip is so fucking horrifying you know it's it's it's terrorism is bad but i really wish it was lone nut muslims and not the military industrial complex uh that's a lot more frightening and so please god let it be muslim extremists please but we may find that unicorn here fake laugh i don't know why you'd be praying it was muslims unless your modus operandi and your whole raison d'etre um is to uh demonize muslims so that that sort of clip where he's like uh please god let it be muslims i just i hear something like that and i'm like fuck this that's dark that is dark

because it's it comes from a place of flippancy like he's not he's talking extemporaneously he's just he's just kind of riffing around and that's where his brain is he's like oh i wish this was muslims i wish because he he is saying it is muslims but he believes that the muslims are working for the globalists so he's wrong on like three levels dan jordan in moments like these i remember that when we started this show you were like this is gonna be fun well it is sometimes this is a great idea he's a crazy man we're gonna laugh at his craziness yeah he's cruel but most of the time he's crazy you gotta go where the information leads you man i was a radical leftist two years ago was two years ago i was just a radical leftist

dan i was just a radical leftist i didn't know there was another step forward now you're a cultural marxist globalist cultural marxist god damn it dan but i don't think that like i don't think that any of this that we look at has to radicalize your politics it just has to inform what you know about what a lot of people believe which is that if anybody that you know is right wing it is not necessarily that they believe all of this stuff sometimes it is not necessarily that they are that they can't possibly consciously believe this most of them because at the at the end it's like they believe that they're good people like so many people so many people on the right wing would see somebody who is muslim who is uh you know like oh i i saw them at the grocery

store we talked for a little while for a little while and then maybe we went out and maybe we were in the same program alcoholics anonymous can can feature anybody and we got together and we became friends and yet somehow i would invite them into my home but i still support a fucking pile of goddamn garbage that wants immigrants separated from their fucking families like these are people who don't even understand that the underpinnings of all of their beliefs the the the the fucking core is anders brevik well is a fucking white nationalist terrorist they don't get that 40 percent of america they probably don't recognize um that what motivated this man to do what he did is the same rhetoric that informs most of trump's support yeah most of the maga base um and i you know i i don't

i don't like brushing with a broad broad i don't like painting with a broad brush um but so like not everyone is beholden to all the same propaganda but the people who put out most of the influential media are exactly in line with everything that's in this manifesto yeah it's ludicrous to think that like anytime if if like i know that the right likes to talk about bill ares and blah blah blah yeah yeah if i read their documents and they were like oh shit in the same way that reading his manifesto was i would probably have to take a moment of pause but their documents are like hey destroying property not life well that's i feel like you're getting into like libertarian anyways anyway no no no that's not the point this is a whole different right i'm sorry that was

introducing a left field argument that yeah i reached the end of my thought probably so um at this point alex is kind of floundering a little bit just being like hey i've been right all along isn't that great paul write an article about it but he needs paul to like sort of synthesize like a smarter point because i do think paul joseph watson is smarter than alex and so paul comes in with this that's not a high bar now that paul is not on speakerphone anymore they've got him on a on a connection uh he gives this well i mean there's three very good reasons why norway would be in line for a slap on the wrist from these globalists i mean it's a country that's not in the uu so it's not part of that builderberg in a circle number one two i thought it was in the

uu 42 million dollar payment to greece saying that they're not going to give them any more money that would have upset the people organizing the bailout number two they supported the uh palestinian state which is going to be up for a vote at the un in september so the Arabs attack them i mean give me a break but number three they had set to pull out of libya on august the first which they announced a couple of months ago so three very good reasons why the globalists would be angry with them um as usual total procession from watson so all he's done he's laid out um ideas he's laid out coincidences none of that implies any sort of causation um and it's not really uh totally representative of you know what it is it's that childish cause and effect

that we always talk about like that just um sort of informs and belies all of info war's uh rhetoric it's that idea of like mysterious cause and effect that we are presenting as real and that's all paul's doing but he's doing it better than alex right which is why alex ends that that's a decision from watson that's a throwback to like that that basic evolutionary survival tactic of like create cause and effect even if there isn't because cause and effect will protect you in some way you know like always be on the lookout means exactly the moose are out tonight always be on the lookout always be creating these things like it if it weren't for that uh that basic like 2.5 million years ago brainstem creating those things we wouldn't have maybe higher functions now

but it there the remnant of it is still killing us yeah to some extent and we you know we try as best we can but it's it's an almost irresistible drive to like create connections where they don't exist yeah of course so anyways it's a full moon tonight dan so don't be surprised if people start acting crazy where people kill themselves around the holidays um so in this next clip um we've come to the point of the show where the news reports are clearly saying that this was a white guy a blonde guy uh you carried out this attack and may have had a right do you mean do you mean a norwegian and may have had right wing leanings and so alex now has to process that information and i would say he does it in maybe the worst way possible um well just just to add as

well reuters are now saying that it's probably a an alliance between islamists and right wing extremists of course the guys do you mean the same people carried out the shooting was a blonde head norwegian and that's the script okay that's it that came out in reuters absolutely i told you i saw it in the tea leaves from all the data i integrate i could see the scripting ladies and gentlemen right wingers in europe absolutely hate the muslims and try 24 seven to kick them out and are tried in by government tribunals for saying route the muslims if you think right wing militia groups and people are working with the muslims ladies and gentlemen i got a bridge i want to sell you okay paul now i'm getting freaked out you got to admit paul did i not absolutely 100

percent call this hey alex no accidentally gave up on air that all of the right wing people that you align with in europe hate muslims not that they have a good point not that they're responding to anything real right wingers in europe hate muslims but that's why they're the ones that the government chooses to demonize dan that's why they choose them wait actually that's fine no that's why they choose them to commit their false flag attacks because then you would believe that all right wingers believe that why dan wait because all right wingers believe that that's what alex just said well yeah but all right wingers believe that that's why they would choose the right wingers who believe that to carry out these false flags to point out that right wingers believe

that in comedy that's what's called putting a hat on a hat you know like that yeah that's an norm mcdonnell joke that's joking a joke uh that's what if the premise was the joke right yeah what if the setup is the setup and that's the joke like it's there you go like what what he's doing is describing like a ecosystem where in right wingers hate muslims they would do this thing and germans love david hasselhoff it's just it's just ludicrous like he would never say that now he's saying that is some sort of defense against the idea that this was a right winger yeah which it was a hundred percent who does hate muslims absolutely like alex does but but but i would argue based on the hundreds of pages that i've read he straight up hates muslims yeah but he's

more primarily motivated unless he's gonna bang him that's that's tommy robinson oh okay trying to flirt with muslims on twitter hey don't worry about it you're fit for a muslim quote they're destroying the world but uh you look pretty hot you want to bang the uh the the thing that i think he hates more is the multiculturalism and uh that cultural marxist which is code for globalist which is code for alex's worldview right so like i i do think that he hates muslims and was primarily motivated by that but the primary motivation is also washed up into that uh that worldview that you could easily ascribe to being he's afraid of the globalists allowing muslims in yeah it's the same thing so it in the same way i know i'm making a really fine line here but it's the same thing

where it's like you want to call him a nazi but in his manifesto he's clearly anti nazi and hitler so it becomes more complicated you want to say that he just hates muslims and yes he does hate muslims yeah but there's another layer to it that is more what he's motivated by which is the traitorous government people who are allowing the muslims in and the only reason i feel the need to make that fine a point is because it is accurately reporting what he believes and it makes it more similar to alex right you know but that's that's the that's the central underpinning to so many of those like uh right wing justifications is on the macro it's bad but on the micro it's fine yeah like i know a good muslim but on the macro i bet you do i bet you do it's all terrible

exactly because that's one who's been integrated exactly you know but we can't integrate all of them and the large majority will never be integrated so i want to protect the good ones like fucking dave netel like you gotta go you gotta go well yeah i mean he's gotta go well we gotta protect western civilization but i mean at the same time how many how many fucking stories do you read where it's like a small town is like 99 for trump and then they find out that their buddy was a an illegal immigrant they're like no you're not supposed to take him you're not supposed to take him he's cool we should protect the mug the the immigrants who are cool and then but we can't believe that most immigrants are cool because we're told that they're not right i know it's a it's a

what we're experiencing in the world largely is a lot of people succumbing to propaganda over their own experience yeah and that that's a great way of putting it and that's a really really sad state of affairs but i also think that there's something to be said for like i i i was having a conversation about this recently about the idea that like you know with diminishing incomes it becomes much harder to travel harder to see the world harder to get outside of your bubble but at the same time the internet is becoming so immersive in terms of like you can experience so much of the world without leaving your desk right you know so there is a there is a possibility for experiencing so much more than you ever were able to uh without leaving uh anywhere but everyone

gets funneled into the wrong places so what they do what they end what ends up happening is like you have you said dave patel let's use that as a yeah you have this person that you know who is a very awesome person uh who is muslim let's say and then you have your view of the world possibly a lot of the time is this negative world online that's like no don't believe it don't believe it he's fine but there's all these others who are like they want to kill you yeah and i don't know what you do with that i don't know how i don't know how it works i don't know what the path forward looks like because if your experience of the world like legitimately is trumped by by propaganda and is trumped by like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's cool he's cool don't get me wrong

he's cool but what you need to know about is cultural Marxism what you need to know is about the globalists who want to flood our country right and in the they don't want more daves they want more muhammad well they also want more daves too though as is in the manifesto and alex this is part of his rhetoric the idea that they want more daves and muhammads in here because they'll all vote for multicultural right right globalist right and the daves will convince you that the muhammads are fine exactly yeah there's this like crazy um which is a broad generalization that i don't like that's a shorthand that we're using to represent their views not i think we're yeah i'm just i just want to be clear right you're uh don't get don't get hung up on that i'm sorry the metaphor is clear

yeah um and and i i think that it's it's it's very dangerous and i i think there are a lot of people who still have immersive experiences in life and still understand that people from all walks of life are fucking cool as shit right and you know uh that no one without mental illness drug abuse uh terrible circumstance in life or domestic abuse or demonstrable crazy um uh circumstance wants to hurt other people yeah like most people understand that everyone from every walk of life loves their family everybody wants to have a real fucking good time hanging out with each other yeah and and if you don't believe that then that's on you i think i think most people understand that but like we talk about there's that 40 there's that that that hard 40 i think even then with those

people i would say that 98 percent of people are like no matter who is affected by the propaganda 98 percent of people in their own lives in their own small place just want to be kind right that's what we are we're trying to be kind in a way and unfortunately the the two percent is somehow capable like the psychopaths are somehow capable of creating this propaganda that can convince people who otherwise would not want to harm someone hey there's a reason that there's there's a reason that there isn't that 40 percent of the country doesn't murder people you hit on exactly what i think is sort of like what uh like you know how andres brevick has his five point uh perfect ideal version of uh society right i kind of have a version of that myself and one of them is like get rid

of the welsh number one number two ska's gonna make a comeback it's never gonna be number three more importantly like we need to grow up to a certain extent and recognize like you say two percent in terms of like monsters or whatever yeah we have to grow up to uh the point where we realize that like there are just anomalies in society but based on how human brains work how society works that we have to just absorb the below yeah it sucks it sucks there's things we can do to mitigate the damage of that which is number one uh fucking gun control we need to fucking do that it'd be nice real hard it'd be nice if our psychopaths got a guy in order to do that we need to get money out of politics so there's a lot of political things that we need to do

in order to achieve this situation but we need to do we need to get to a point where we realize that like yeah man it sucks living in a society does involve a certain amount of risk yeah because everyone around you a lot of the time seem cool but someone might hurt you right that may happen and it sucks when it does happen but we need to not take that as proof of x y or z generalization that leads to uh more hurting of people but at the same time they absorb it right but the issue winds up coming down to those two percent the psychopaths are far more capable of manipulating the system to destroy the rest of us right like when you when you look at anybody who's a billionaire you have to eventually get to the point where you're like well 98 percent of humanity is cool

but those two percent 98 percent of them are psychopaths right you know like that here's why that's fucking flawed is because i'm not saying that it's a perfect analogy by any by any means no no you're what you're saying makes sense yeah but i'm not scared of that because here's the god's honest truth like the people who are propagandists and people who use these tricks they're only so many tricks they can use right you know what i'm saying like in the same way that if you study logic you understand logical fallacies and so you're able to look at an argument and be like oh no that's begging the question that's that you know what you're doing there oh you're you're affirming the antecedent that you know you what you've done there is not again

that's against the rules you know like whatever yeah there are only a certain amount of logical fallacies that exist because of how the structure of arguments work yeah in terms of in in the same way propaganda only works like maybe 15 different ways like there aren't a lot of ways that are compelling to make an argument that are emotionally manipulative there is a finite number of ways that people can trick you into um forgetting your higher brain and going with emotion so what i would i would recommend and the reason that two percent doesn't scare me too much is that i hope as we evolve and how as society gets better and better as we go along i say i hope we will those those those i'm idealistic 2050 come on those well climate change we're not going to make it but

those sorts of things if we just start to understand them a little better the appeals to um demography the appeals to uh unproven uh stats the appeals to uh us versus them right those sorts of things if we just take a second uh if everyone just starts to understand oh this is how propagandists manipulate people right there's a decent chance that we could undo a lot of the damage that that two percent can do right and the two percent isn't all propagandists i'd say it's like half and half actors and propagandists yeah like the monsters and then propaganda yeah but i i think you can mitigate that damage and to pretend that we live in a society where it's not a pawn it's not like it's not um you're behooved to understand that yeah because you need to play self-defense

because those people are out there at the same time though how do you argue against the the reality that in the in the almost inverse uh of the truth uh which is again is going to be a far larger generalization than it should be but a the metaphor would then be only two percent of the population studies logic and 98 percent of the population doesn't probably less than that yeah right but that's i'm i'm using logic as i'm using logic as an analog i i'm not saying that and i'm using it as a metaphor like i i totally get what you're saying that's not that's not what i'm i i i mean i just the point being is that how is it that we educate people when the two percent is so insistent about not educating people and yet those two percent are billionaires and the two

percent that is insistent upon educating people are fucking poor as shit the responsibility is upon the people who get it and i think that there are a lot of good actors out there i think there are like i talk i complain about right wing watch and media matters all the fucking time because i don't think they do enough right but they do a good amount of stuff their heart is in the right place yes for sure and they port they do a good job of reporting on x y and z thing that the right does now i wish what they do report on they do a good job of reporting i wish they'd report more but maybe that's a foundational problem with their funds or their staff or whatever we're not going to fix it on this right and at the same time i wish that this particular the media matters

when they post videos that demonstrate a very important point i wish they would include an essay that explains why it's an important point as opposed to just posting that but then also you have people like vick burger who posts really awesome uh like like proof that mike sarnovich is a fucking monster right you have examples of that all over the place there's a lot of good people who were doing the uh the work sam cedar michael brooks also doing amazing work but again we get into the inverse two percent situation you know what i'm saying somewhat but the inverse of it you only need that inverse two percent to fight against uh that two percent because like look i don't i'm not here to talk uh we're kind of couching this in a weird ultimate battle

of good and evil right now which i don't think is how we should it's delusion like the two percent the two percent two percent kind of thing right right has a has a connotation of like the force is much always yeah yeah exactly there's a there's two sith and the yeah yeah that whole thing but but but i think i i i i sincerely believe this and i believe this based on all of the research that i consistently do um and all of the like alex's primary sources like digging into it i really think that all it takes is a charismatic decently matched version of what he does in order to completely destroy all the stuff that he does you know all of the all of the propaganda can be diffused all the propaganda can be diffused to a certain amount of people by discussing why the

propaganda exists where it comes from what its intent is and where the problem is right you know like that that is that propaganda can't exist like that in a world where the inverse is there and so when you have people who push back against it which i think is incredibly important i'm not just saying that because it's kind of what we do but like pushing back against that will help diffuse all this stuff this is what i'm saying we are uniquely placed wherein you and i should run the world like i'm gonna be the charismatic uh like channeling of of righteous fury you're gonna be the one who tells me what to say no we should be doing exactly what we're doing quite frankly and the reason that this works is because of that prime minister president

dynamic that you're describing but as a fun entertainment show where we break down propaganda i think it's the most not the most but i think it's an incredibly important piece of our modern world that we have to deal with um and whatever i don't know i think that we've spun off into like a we've gone wild i think this conversation is certainly very valid but at the same time we wouldn't be having it if it weren't for a lot of feelings that we're having because of the content that we've been covering right and how very clear like i can't stress enough if you take the time to go read all the stuff that i've read that i've tried to express as best i can uh on this podcast without just sitting here and reading you his whole goddamn manifesto right right um if you go

and read it you will only see parallels right to the world that we talk about and alex jones personally a hundred percent and it wasn't his world in 2009 right now i don't know the months before this you know i don't know the months before this what what his rhetoric specifically was i don't know when he chose to hate muslims and be really scared of them but i do know that if i had to choose um 2009 2010 he's not like this he's not someone who is basically regurgitating anders brevik kind of talking points yeah and in 2018 he fucking is he is a hundred percent so is that tucker carlsson totally and shan hannity totally don't don't kid yourselves totally yeah they're just praying that another anders brevik shows up preferably in america

because it would sort of somehow justify them because they've done the preemptive groundwork of being like if this happens they're just trying to demonize white people indeed which alex did with all of these other fucking terrorist attacks and mass shootings that have happened since then agreed so we have one more clip here um okay and we'll get to it uh this is sort of a summation of things and i think it's probably alex being his most disgusting well it looks like they're gonna go with white al qaeda white qaeda and white terrorist period you claim they're right wingers or whatever they are and they're they're in reuters saying you know the whities are working with al qaeda now i mean this is all you good old boys that love giving up

freedoms because it's only for them brown people you're gonna find out it's for everybody what's done to any group is gonna end up being done to everybody that's why we all hang together surely hang shepherd so the reason that i think that's a fitting last clip for this show is i would prefer if you called him honkies but that's fine well what we see there is a false call for solidarity yeah like there is this idea like if he actually meant what he was saying i would say like hurrah yeah like that idea of like um hey if it happens to the least of us it happens to all of us right um that that sort of thing you know that whole jesus thing well but because we know from his history we know from his rhetoric from looking at him we know that he doesn't

really care all that much when it happens to other groups it's always the implicit threat that it's had which he even is expressing in that clip where he talks about like you bubba's you know you think it's just there for uh you know the browns know it's there for you too but that goes back to why we we reacted so heavily or why especially you reacted so heavily when you made that realization of oh his biggest problem was not all of these atrocities being committed it's that he thought they might eventually be committed to white people yeah so in this situation when he's living in 2011 when he's living with a black president when he's living with all of these these ideas that he can't handle of course he's terrified because he thinks

finally white people are going to get treated like this and now he's totally fine with this impression because he knows fuck it white people are gonna be fine even though he's wrong even though he's utterly and completely wrong even though white people are more damaged currently by what he thinks makes sense for white people yeah he still thinks that by virtue of having a white supremacist in office he's gonna be fine yeah well he's rich though so he's probably gonna be fine he won't be soon let's hope i don't think he's gonna go away from like at least some settlements in terms of all the lawsuits he's not gonna go well um but like i'm that's that's where that's where like i think that last clip really perfectly sums up like what the the fucked up part of alex

jones especially 2011 onward i guess i don't know where to put the beginning point on it is is that like if he actually meant that i degree yeah like he's saying good things but it's coded language you know like it's not it's not like you can't take it at face value like this idea of like we hang together or we hang separate like in terms of all the people who are having their rights taken away and all this if you actually believed that then what you would be doing is championing people who are white who are having their rights taken away yeah you know like what you would do is you would have years ago been talking about the private private prison system right what you would have been talking about is all of these like really legitimate because white people might wind up in

private prison well if that's the reason yeah it's not great hey it's not great but you there's a lot of different ways that your near your narratives and your rhetoric would have evolved over time if that was really what you cared about yeah but the proof of the pudding is in the eating yeah and when you eat that pudding what you find out is that all it is is white fear all it is is this is coming for us guys if we don't push back against it but let's also at the same time not really care about yeah the actual victims it reminds me so much of when i would make a cogent argument that my family couldn't handle regarding christianity and how it's a like even what they believe they have perversely destroyed their response was always a biblical passage that said even the devil can

quote scripture right like when alex jones says that shit when alex jones says what you should believe yeah even the devil can quote scripture man you know like that kind of concept perfect way to uh describe that yeah so jordan i have um this has been ruined my life this has been emotional for me uh it's been very difficult uh wrestling with andres brevik no it's been great and thank you sonia i'm gonna hate you until i die it's okay i want that's not true sonia you're great i think i think that i've made my points clear my specific points are andres in his manifesto very clearly expresses the exact same viewpoint that alex jones does especially in modern day and he expresses a viewpoint that has been largely adopted by most of the people in the alt

right the entirety of the republican party yep um yep so i want to because it's been so so much i want to let you have the floor um for a final word well well dan i'll tell you something we retired a certain way of signing off no no no no no no that's not what i meant i meant do you have any last thoughts about this because i i this is so fucking heavy in terms of the the actual source material we've been joking around a bit i i i only i only am bringing this up because i in terms of my preparation for the show i feel like i've been able to get my point across yeah and if you have any other points that you want to make it's i i feel like it stands to reason that you should have a moment i'm not saying that you have no it's it's i don't want to pimp you out

you're not you're not pimp me out i am in proctor i am i am listen professional i handle my own business thank you um i to me as we were as we were talking about off air i have gone through such this level of i have to react in this lizard brain of like this guy should be killed and throughout this whole episode i'm going back and forth towards like yes he should be by all concept of of justice humanity this is what he deserves and at the same time the only way to prove that it it's it's his worldview is incorrect is to treat him humanely it is to it is to accept that the the reality is that vengeance only creates more vengeance true it only creates more destruction the the you know revenge dig dig yourself two graves etc getting getting mad at uh

this only perpetuates what created this right to some extent the dealing with it sincerely defuses it they and it's it is amazing it is really amazing how the master's tools will never destroy the master's house like that is uh uh shit now i have to look at that quote is not in anders breviks no it is absolutely not i have to look at i'll have to look her up she uh yeah audrey lord okay um audrey lord wrote an essay regarding this that is simply like so so apropos for so many different things like to a certain extent you can apply it to democracy you know the master's tools are democracy or are they the oligarchy are they the uh they the money and campaign finance what are those and and when you get down to it to me the master's tools are

the patriarchy our toxic masculinity and that is always coming down to violence solves the problem well this is irrelevant because poetry is a tool of the cultural marxists and thanks dan for letting me have the floor thanks dan no problem uh no i i agree with you it is there's a lot of interesting like things to wrestle with on that but at the same time you have to ask yourself like when they go low we go high that lost man we lost well i mean you know so so there's that there's that other question are you talking about the election of 2016 or what we're talking about on this episode like in terms of low and high you know because i think there are different things i don't know we had a mass shooting today true so so what did andrews did andrews brevick lose

every day we have every what weekly monthly he didn't lose we know that we know that we didn't lose how do we how do we make them lose is the question of our time how do we destroy them because we are no longer the longer conversation we had earlier yeah it's the defusing the propaganda we're no longer in a place where we can uh like with all of the bullshit eulogies about john mccain which look my again my initial reaction is bye bye bye bye you know all of that stuff but with those eulogies what they are trying to point to is a past they're harkening to an emotional appeal they're trying to say they're doing it dumbly they're doing it for the wrong guy but they're pointing back to like this idea of civility there was a time where our arguments were about

policy and not about reality they're wrong but the emotional truth is there exactly you can't fault them for feeling that they want to believe it because that's a better vision of america right the better vision is i dis i think lowering taxes improves our economy and you think raising taxes on the rich improves our now let's talk about that's a conversation let's not i think that immigrants are killing everybody and i think that you're a fucking psychopath and weird uh uh rays from antarctica split hurricanes exactly shout out to my boy homo moto nice word no i saw that he's back he's not allowed on alex's show but he's back on oh he's back with a vengeance my friend damn it i love him hey you lost your tenure at uc davis congratulations that means you get to be on the

war room can't talk to alex anymore but you still got a place homo moto my baby call me homo moto by the way darrell homo moto if you're listening five three zero five three zero neon nip please we want you i want to talk to you so bad it's just such a i i want to live in a world where we can have a conversation yeah and we don't live in that world and we have to accept that i think we will we may we may live in that world but that is going to require defeat i'm that is going to require not compromise no not not it not coexistence that is going to require a defeat of the right this is where we get into another half hour of conversation because i don't think you and i have never done that come on i don't think it does

and i think that what you're expressing is dangerously close to the uh stuff that's in i mean politically i don't think it requires a snuffing out of the right in order for us to come to a place again of mutual respect that's not what i'm saying requires a diffusing of propaganda because what has happened to the right is a case study in propaganda run amok yeah and what you know everyone wants to say because a lot of people sell books based on this that it's the russia has done that to the right or whatever that's irrelevant i know that's irrelevant it is a propaganda effort that has happened to the right who cares what the the source of it is there is a radicalization that has happened that has not been seen in my lifetime for sure

like absolutely this is not something that is normal in any way um but it can be undone by wrestling with that propaganda in a humanistic way i am i apologize if that wasn't made clear i'm not talking about a defeat of the right like i'm not talking about a defeat of the of of like that concept of like lower taxes higher taxes i'm talking about a defeat of the world that we live in the enemy where that is the right the end i don't i don't mean i yeah exactly i don't mean a defeat of these people i mean a realistic this is not acceptable and we all agree on it yeah and that is going to require like what did it take what did it take for slavery not to be okay it's gonna require a lot you know which is not saying i want to start a civil war it's me saying

like it does require an unmitigated defeat don't worry about the war stuff because that was really about protectionism yeah all right all right that was about uh yeah taxes yeah that was states rights states rights it's it's but it's a it's a legitimate reality in order that it needs to be uh summarily dismissed as a whole to the point where the people who are susceptible to this propaganda have to accept for 30 years until they start building confederate monuments again in order to make sure that you know it's going to require that but it also requires humility from people on the left as well like i don't think that they're the mainstream left but there is a propaganda version of the left that exists and some of the commitment to the left

instead of this like commitment to the status quo yeah absolutely and especially a commitment to the non-middle left yeah you know the the middle left which is really just right exactly again we retired this but uh anders brevick and alex jones go fuck yourselves yeah i agree with that but i also think that's um so obvious anyway we have a website knowledge what janet we have a website knowledge right dot com indeed uh you can follow us on twitter right we're on uh facebook facebook go home and tell your mother your brilliant which is a great group where a lot of fun memes happen and uh i don't know it is great we're on itunes it's really fun regardless of my who's on that group i'm not i'm not on facebook anymore i still like to take a look at the group

every now and again it makes me feel good sonia from sweden sonia from sweden we've come a long way but thank you so much for this suggestion of this episode because i think there is a lot of edification that we've been able to get to through the dark awful uh elements of it sonia i cannot help but thank you and i will resent you until the end of my days also please email to make sure because i believe i mailed you a button she got it did she get it i believe i got i got confirmation no shit sonia thank you so much um for getting that button and also um if you've made it this far thank you very much but also if you have a time travel episode that you want us to do forget about any message you've ever sent me in the past i need a new message please send me a

message we will do them i just need everything to come back to center because i've lost a couple messages i've lost track of some stuff please hit me up again i don't mean to ignore you please just let me know it's important i want to fulfill everyone's request yeah i'm just shit at this it's important to remember that for one time travel request dan has spent the last 48 hours more than that fighting sleep more than that so just just like don't don't worry if we don't get there's no ignoring of anybody it's that dan is fucking serious about research and that i've also that'll fuck him up but i've dropped the ball on a couple of requests that have come in and i've forgotten about and i feel fucking terrible about it and i need a reminder so please uh please remind me um

no yeah that one where you uh called a timeout uh in the calves game uh david blatt and you were like we need to call a timeout but you didn't have any timeouts left and then lebron overturned you but the refs didn't see it and he fired a fucking buzzer beater that was against the rules and derrick rose was still great at the time anyway i am a bulls fan derrick rose is a monster uh but that i agree with anyway no argument you know what he's a monster but while we're talking about monsters it's only right that i remind you that alex jones probably killed the dude andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding well alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you