Knowledge Fight - #200: Feb. 25-March 1, 2009

Episode Date: September 3, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan finally get to the public unveiling of the Tea Party and see what Alex Jones was up to while that was happening. Also, Dan talks a whole lot about the rap music he likes and Jordan does some impressions. 

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are. Dan. Hey.

Dan. What? What's the deepest you've ever swum? What? I've been in the Mary Honest trench, boy. The deep down there. How deep? Oh, so deep.

I got deep like Jacques Cousteau. No, I don't need that. I don't need that in my life. Referencing a song by the Jedi Mind Tricks from my 1996 album. I don't know. I'm my favorite part of your... My favorite part of your... ...biological electromagnetic and chemical manipulation of human consciousness.

A great album that I loved before I realized how horribly homophobic the Jedi Mind Tricks are. I realized, oh no, Vinny Paz, you're a bad dude. My favorite part of your references is just how relevant they are. Just how so fucking relevant. I don't know, man. I went, you know, I lived in Hawaii for a little while. I went scuba diving a number of times. Did you?

Never like bell diving or anything like that. I never got the bends. I've been... I kicked a shark once. You kicked a shark once? Yeah, it wasn't... Like out of anger? No, it was an accident.

I had like a swimming around and it was like a little shark. Not like a hostile shark. No. I kicked it and it scared the shit out of me. A hostile shark sounds like a great name for a movie. Yeah, and a great Jedi Mind Tricks album. From 1998. What?

No, it wasn't. Oh, okay. God damn it. Visions of Gandhi. God damn it. I believe you. When you make a reference to our Jedi Mind Tricks, I will buy anything. Legacy of Blood.

Oh yeah? Wasn't that the third Blade movie? Yeah, I think so. Visions of Gandhi was another one. Servants in Heaven, Kings in Hell. I don't know. That actually sounds fun. They have something to them, but they are horrible monsters.

Bad opinions. Late 90s hip hop was really homophobic. Yeah. Pretty much across the board. They never grew out of it, although they're fucking bees. Oh, plenty of people have grown out of it. No, I'm sorry. Oh no, okay.

I was going to say. I can say that Icon the verbal hologram. Man, it's streaming because Tyler just came out, man. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Good on him. I didn't know that. Yeah.

I don't keep up with stuff. I'm not a... Fair enough. I understand. I got a lot of Alex Jones to listen to. It hurts my pop culture awareness. Can't keep up with Odd Future Wolfgang killed them all? Cannot.

Can you... Earl Sweatshirt, man. Earl. I heard that album is good. Earl Sweatshirt is a beast. I saw some tweets about it. We're great at this show, Dan. There we are.

Something else that's great on this show is how we like to give shout-outs to new owners. Easy transitions? Yeah. Jordan, today I'd like to give a shout-out to some new folks who've joined up and supported the show. We're very excited about this and thank you so much. Next, Benjamin, congratulations on becoming a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Benjamin. Thank you very much, Benjamin. I'd also like to give a shout-out to someone with the coolest name in the world who has become a policy wonk. Thank you. Dan Friesen. Close.

Thank you so much, Daniel. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Daniel. I actually saw that coming. Prophecy. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Book of Daniel, a great song by M.F. Grimm.

Every music now is going to be Jedomitrix. No, M.F. Grimm. Yeah, I know. I heard it, but I needed you to say Jedomitrix. I wish. I wish there was a Daniel reference in there. I couldn't make my camp. Also, very special.

Shout-out to someone who joined up. This is someone who's been a long time supporter of the show. We can't thank her enough for all of the non-direct show we're eating to the show. No, you're crushing it. She's been on board for forever and has spread the word about the show. We can't thank her enough. And I'd like to say thank you so much, Heather. You are now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much, Heather. Yes, it's a delight to have you on board with the Wonkery, although you have been for a long time. I wish we met her when we were down in Texas. Yeah, I know. It's great. No, she's at the very least been an honorary policy wonk for so long.

Yeah. It's good to... I don't know. Now I feel cheap. Now it's good that you joined the policy wonks, which apparently has an entrance fee. I know. In fact, I feel so bad about it. I'm going to bump her up to a technocrat.

All right. There we go. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone... Someone... Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp. Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, Heather. That's what we call an audible.

Yeah. Do you know what's crazy? My girlfriend just asked me like three days ago what calling an audible means. Oh, yeah? Yeah. She's 30 or some age around there. I mean, I assume a lot of people didn't watch sports when they were younger. Yeah.

But it's a colloquialism that's been in the public zeitgeist for so long. Yeah. But there's so many ones like batting down the hatches and stuff like that. Like there's a lot of idioms. Well, yeah. But that's from like 1500s. There's like 23 skadoo. There's a lot of idioms.

Okay. Now 23 skadoo is wackadoo. I don't know. I don't understand what that means still. Tiffa canoe and Tyler too. There's a lot of expressions. Tiffa canoe and Tyler too. I do.

Look, there's a lot of expressions that we don't know why we say them, but we do. So I still don't know why you say Tiffa canoe and Tyler too. It rhymes. One more shout out I'd like to give to someone who has been donating and bumped it up a little bit. And actually it turns out that I've retired before in policy wonk sound effect. I can't find it. You can't find it.

No. So officially now. Everyone is a globalist. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Foreign policy wonk is now globalist. And thank you so much, Sarah.

You are now a globalist. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone. Someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.

Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Thank you, Sarah. So. Yes. Thank you very much, Sarah. Also to everyone who is currently a globalist. Please email Dan and we will play a 45 minute long repetition of that exact clip for you. I hope we don't do that.

Yeah. I don't think so. Thank you to everybody. The last month was really awesome in terms of expansion of the podcast growth. We saw massive growth in terms of listenership. Hell yeah. And we really appreciate everybody who's helped spread the word because we're piles of shit at that.

Yeah. We're so bad. And it means a lot. And it is a showing dividends. So thank you for everyone's help with our shortcomings. Yeah. So Jordan, today. Also I'm emotionally unavailable.

So this is very helpful. Thank you to everybody. The audience fills in. There's plenty of shortcomings that they have helped me with. I'm a scapist. I watch shows about people eating food all the time to try and soften my feelings. Chopped. Chopped is not on Netflix.

Can't do it. Although I watched that show. Million Dollar Menu. And I love it. You love it. Million Dollar Menu. I'm furious. There's only six episodes.

All right. So good. It's hosted by a famous Mater D. I was texting you about this. I know. I don't understand that. You said the words famous Mater D. And I just my brain broke.

Watch one fucking episode of this show and you'll get why he's a famous Mater D. I don't know what that would entail. So welcoming. Is he so is he just really good at it? Moving people to their tables. I want to be like him. Okay. Watch this show and you're like this guy.

All right. You want to be like him. All right. The exact opposite way I feel about Alex Jones. Does he speak French? Damn you. There's a perfect translation. No, but he has a slight French lilt to his voice.

Okay. As he speaks in English, which is delightful. Okay. Good. Not delightful. Alex Jones. There you go. Second attempt.

Saved it. So Jordan, we got sidetracked from our 2009 investigation. Quite heavily. Yeah. By the present day, Alex Jones getting kicked off of everything and us dabbling around in that and covering it. And then the Anders Brevik episode and, you know, so we, we got off track a little bit, but it's important because we were so close that we could taste it to getting to the outbreak.

And I mean, literal outbreak. Yeah. Tea party. Yeah. Starting Dustin Hoffman. And so today we're going over February 25th to March 1st in 2009. As we've pointed out repeatedly, February 27th, 2009 is the date of the first Chicago tea parties that broke out across the nation.

There was something. There were, I don't remember the exact number, but we'll get to it later. There was like many of them in a bunch of states and cities around the country. It is seen as the formal kickoff of the tea party curiously well funded group. Very strange. Curiously well funded group before it had ever really coalesced into a group. Very strange. It's odd.

Especially when you track the, the roots of it that were around from the like citizens for a sound economy, had a tea party website going years before. It's great. Stuff like that. They were crushing it. And I've also been a little bit not forthcoming about the reality of what we're talking about. So on the 27th, there were 40 cities where they had this nationwide Chicago tea party. On February 18th, 2009, sorry, on the 19th, the day after, the 18th was the day that Obama

announced the homeowner's affordability and stability plan. On the next day, CNBC business news editor Rick Santelli criticized the plan in a live broadcast from the floor of the Chicago mercantile exchange. He said that the plans were promoting bad behavior and subsidizing losers' mortgages. He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather traders, not traitors, to gather Well, they're a little bit both, honestly. And dump their derivatives into the Chicago River on July 1st. President Obama, are you listening?

He asked. There are no adults. His rant went viral and was promoted on the Drudge Report. So that happened on the 19th, which we've already covered that period of time. Alex never brings that up. Right. He has every reason to know about this from the sources that we know he looks at. Yeah.

This is the kind of thing he should be into. He's not mentioned it once. So now as we get closer to the outbreak of the nationwide Chicago Tea Party, it'll be interesting to see how he responds to the actual event. I don't remember everybody dropping their derivatives into the Chicago River. I don't. 40 cities and those people that I saw there probably didn't have a lot of derivatives. I'm going to be honest with you.

I think they might have lost the thread pretty quickly within that two weeks. Also, it's fun that a guy went on a business channel and said, oh, that program to stop the giant recession that we're not coming out of. Boo. It rewards the losers, you know, the people who were scammed, whose money was stolen from them. It's not the most palatable thing. No.

Thanks. Thanks, Trader Joe. We start today on the 25th and Alex has a narrative that goes throughout the entire episode that feels really passionate about and I'll say I give this one star. In the meantime, we will go over the latest developments with the address of Congress. I guess he doesn't want to wait months until the scheduled ancestral ceremonial ancient right of the state of the union. Okay.

Ancient. This is an address of Congress, but the public can't tell the difference. And it was interesting watching Congress critters, as some call them, and just criminals, almost all of them hardcore criminals. Don't disagree. A large portion of them don't certainly empower hardcore criminals. The committee chairman and others predominantly probably there. And they were just a 10 minute standing ovation just clapping and clapping and worshiping and

kneeling and bowing like some primitive ritual to the war chief. And it really was a celebration of their robbery. So I don't disagree with his criticism that they do way too many of those standing ovations at the, whenever the president addresses Congress. Isn't that weird? It's very strange. What are you guys doing? Can't you just sit there and like pay attention?

I, somebody who's like, I mean, you've done stand up for many years. I did do it for many years. The idea of that, like you wouldn't want that. No, it would bum you out. You wouldn't want that, but he's standing ovations. It's a very jarring and disorienting. Yeah. And not just least of which, but if you're not making some people angry, what are you

doing? Exactly. You know, what are you doing? You don't have any integrity. I'll go with him on that. I think it's really false and artificial and lame. Totally. And he's saying that like Obama's doing something wrong by addressing Congress when it's not

the state of the union speech, as if it's some sort of behavior that only a ruler king would engage in. Only one, only one man, one type of man would ever address Congress on any other day, Dan. But the reality is that this is a very common practice among newly elected presidents. On February 27th, 2001, George W. Bush addressed the joint session of Congress, which was not the state of the union. That was right after 9-11 though. No.

On February 17th, 1993, Bill Clinton gave a speech to the joint session of Congress. On February 9th, that was right after the first time that the Twin Towers got hit. On February 9th, 1989, George H. W. Bush addressed the joint session for the first time. On February 18th, 1981, Ronald Reagan addressed the joint session. That was when he tore down the Twin Towers. In 1977, Jimmy Carter waited until April 20th, 420 up high. Nice. Click.

He waited until April 20th to address the joint session, but it was not the state of the union. In 1973, Richard Nixon didn't address the joint session, but to be fair, he was a little busy at the time. On March 19th, 1965, LBJ gave a speech to the joint session that was not a state of the union. Sorry for killing Kennedy, guys. That was me.

On April 12th, 1921, Warren G. Harding addressed the joint session on... I'm Warren G. Harding! Hello to Congress! It's a great impression. On May 16th... I think he's a witch. On May 16th, 1797, John Adams addressed the joint session. It wasn't a joint.

It wasn't a... Listen. Here's the deal. Typically, and especially the first time a president wins the general election, generally not if they get re-elected, but the first time that they get elected in the general election, they give a speech to the joint session of Congress about a month after being inaugurated. It's a very common practice, especially in modern American political tradition.

Oh, and also, on February 28th, 2017, Donald Trump addressed the joint session of Congress. It was not the state of the union, just the exact same formality speech that so many presidents, including the dreaded tyrant Barack Obama, has given in the past. Hmm. It's very, very standard stuff, and Alex should know that, and the fact that he's complaining about it, making it seem like it's some weird thing, means to me he doesn't understand American civic reality. Or it's almost like he's just creating a narrative, a whole cloth in order to take down a guy

that he doesn't like. I have never heard of the conservative media doing anything like that, Dan. Our boy wouldn't do that. Never. Yeah. Never. So, he complains about this probably throughout a lot of this episode. He comes back to it over and over again.

Oh, my God. Obama just gave a speech, and this is an entire episode. No, it's not the entire episode, but he comes back to it over and over again. I don't have a ton of instances of it, but he brings it up with his guests that he has on. It's sort of something that he's really trying to make a meal out of. But before we get into any of the sort of serious stuff about this episode, Alex is in a mood, and he gets a caller that asks him about secession.

And he rushes to break, and when he comes back from break, he addresses the issue of secession of the states. And I don't know if he does a great job. Okay. We're asking what the feds are going to do as the states deceive. Now, I want to be clear about this because people get confused by it and then claim that I am being hypocritical or double-faced. That is not...

Two-faced. I want to be clear about this. I am not for state secession. Okay. But... Unless... What? It is an emergency last-ditch effort where the United States has fully been sucked in

to the North American Union. It's already being merged with the Transatlantic Treaty... So that's already happening. Yeah. ...with the European Union. Yeah. So you should... ...is the states declaring their inherent sovereignty.

It was the states that constituted and created the federal government. Not really. And so when states declare sovereignty and say, we're not going to follow your gun laws, we're not going to follow your open borders, we're not going to let the feds come in here and enforce taking people to jail when you set up your national draft and conscription. Sure. And that is their job. The states created the federal government.

That's why it's the United States. And if 35 states got together and said, we are abolishing the federal government, it is law. It is stated in triplicate Millerite's Constitution, Declaration of Independence, that that would happen. But you can have states individually say that they're not following what the federal government says. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Well, I think he just summed it up appropriately. If you have 35 states who decide to abolish the federal government, then the federal government has two weeks to get out. It's like an eviction notice. I'm telling you, I'm glad he started that by saying, let me be clear. Because crystal clear.

Clear as day. Let me be clear. I do support secession, but I don't. That would be a last ditch effort if the federal government was doing everything it's currently doing right now. Right. All of those things it's doing would cause secession. It's basically like, I don't want the states to secede and dissolve the union unless there's

an emergency. Now, I should say my entire career is based on convincing you that there's exactly that emergency. Going on, I misrepresent the fact to paint a picture that that is the emergency. So please secede, but I'm not in favor of it. No, please don't secede, but you gotta, you gotta secede. You don't want to switch 35 states with secede. Also the idea that like the states created the union, yeah, sure, on some level, that's

the truth. But there are also a lot of states that weren't part of the fucking union when it started. Also a lot of the states are involved. I still don't think Montana is a state. No. Principality at best. And then I think what he wants is just like feudal city states, you know, just all the states are their own little mini countries where the governor is the king.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. The sheriff is the highest authority in the land. Sheriff is like the sheriff of Nottingham. Yeah, exactly. Basically. Yeah. I don't like that vision of the future.

Anyway, nope. I don't like that vision of anything. Bumps me out that it was the past. So Jordan, uh, here we go. Finally on February 25th, yeah, after a copious amount of looking, we finally find someone bring up the tea party. Cool. It's not Alex.

Okay, Susan, Illinois. Go ahead. I'm Susan. Hi, Alex. Hi, Susan. Well, I've been awake for about three months and the first two weeks I was in shock and cried and felt betrayed and now I'm pretty much just mad and, um, but with that, I wanted to remind or tell everybody to go to, um, nationwide Chicago Tea Party dot com.

I don't know if you've heard of it, but there's, you know, a nationwide tea party happening in about 35 cities, people protesting and I'm, I'm really encouraged about that. So unfortunately at this point, she's like, what do you think about the Pope and Alex goes off on answering that question, doesn't get to, he doesn't respond to the, or bringing up the tea party. Right. He gets lost in his own world of like, well, I don't want to shit on the Catholics, but Pope's, you know, he's bad.

Oh, they're all bad. They're all globalists. Do we still have Nazi Pope at this time? Yeah. Yeah. We still have, uh, we still have rat singer. Yeah. The Nazi Pope.

Um, and, and so I only know that because, uh, someone requested that I go to the day that, uh, the Pope steps down. Uh-huh. Um, and I tried to find that episode, but Alex was on vacation and David Knight was hosting that day. And David Knight's not really around the post, the Pope has, uh, stepped down. Don't do it. He is no longer the Pope.

This has not been seen since other popes in the past. And now for expert analysis, Leo Zagami and the Pope is gone. All right. No, that's not good. That's not a good, that's very stereotypical. You're, you're, you're on a fucking impression. I am on a roll today. So, uh, Alex rambles about his feelings about religion.

Um, and then he gets to this, uh, where he does finally circle back to her question about the tea party. Yeah. And we can see where his head is at. But before that, he kind of wants you to trick your priest. Wait, what? Wait, what? He wants you to trick a priest.

He wants you to fuck with your priest a little bit. It's very weird. All right. And we've got all these, uh, Methodist and Baptist and Southern Baptist preachers. Well, I mean, you saw him, Catholics, Protestants, everybody at that big thing with Obama, where he's conscripting them and he's expanding Bush's faith-based initiatives to pay off the churches and to be quote, community leaders and to watch their neighborhood. I want to stop here real quick, because there's a point that I've been meaning to make that

I keep forgetting. Alex's whole thing is like the government's trying to control these, uh, these preachers with their 501 C three tax, right? All right, all right, all right, so they can't preach whatever I want them to be preaching from the pulpit. I have a very simple solution to that. Pay your fucking taxes. Why don't they pay their taxes again?

Pay your taxes and then you could preach whatever you want. I really don't understand why they don't pay taxes. Pay your taxes and then you can get political from the bench. Like Jim Baker's paying taxes now. He's probably evading a lot of them, but he's, he's not tax exempt. And that's why he can do these weird, we're praying for Trump broadcasts because it's a religious organization that is not tax exempt. Yeah, you could do that too, guys, pay your taxes, pay your fucking taxes.

That's the only thing you're not, you're just because you believe in something. I really don't think you should be tax exempt. I feel like that's that sounds terrible. I feel like that's too complicated for us to unpack. I do. I think it's pretty simple. I religion isn't real. Stop it.

Pay your taxes. I don't necessarily want taxes to like churches to be not tax exempt because there are a lot of good things that they bring to society that they aren't getting paid for in terms of like soup kitchen stuff and like helping the poor, those sorts of things will deduct it on your taxes. That's an interesting way to do it. I don't know if we need to complicate the tax code even more that way.

Look, I for religions, I'm fine with making their lives harder. I tentatively support the idea of churches being tax exempt. But if you want to preach patriot stuff, or even if you want to preach democratic talking points from the pulpit or if you're Scientology, sure. Any of the above pay your fucking taxes. Yeah, that's the simple solution. That's all you have to do.

It's not hard. Yeah. So everybody should ask their preachers or their priest or whatever, their rabbi or their imam, are you working with the government? Are you asking a nice way? Hey, I heard a lot of preachers are working with FEMA for emergency readiness. And they get real weird and say, how'd you hear about that? And say, oh, well, no, I just heard I want to help. And then the actual suspicious say, hey, I want you to tell me.

But a lot of times you act friendly about it. They go, oh, yeah, we're we're preparing to help America. So it's very, very creepy and very, very evil. And organized religion is basically controlled by the globalist. Sounds right. Alex, are you encouraged about the Tea Party on Friday? It's this Friday, the 27th. You know, I heard something about folks having their own protest demonstrations

like in the Fed and all this other spontaneous stuff and groups. And I just think it's wonderful. Just more people doing more, just getting out on the streets and exercising those those political muscles is just awesome. Susan, I appreciate your call, Sean, Rob, Joshua, Mike and others. Alex has no idea what's going on. No, he doesn't know about the Tea Party. No clue, because I don't I don't believe I don't think he can play anything

close to the vest. You know, like if he does know about it and he's, you know, on board at this point already. He'd be gone nonstop. Well, or he would have he wouldn't be able to feign lack of awareness of it. Right. And just be like, wow, I think it's great to people are going out and protesting. All he knows is it's a sympathetic caller talking about these things that seem to be like a tax protest.

Maybe he's heard a little bit about it and he's like, yeah, sounds good. Yeah, have fun out there. Yeah, she's a plant. Your kids. She's a plant for sure. Yeah, probably. I mean, we all know I've been awake for three months. I think it was five. But be that as it may. Yeah, I wrote down three. OK, sorry. You're probably right.

Pretty sure. Probably right. You know what? What do you what? What woke her up? Alex, probably got red. What did she walk by? Alex Jones radio? Maybe. I don't know. Or saw a link to an info wars dot com.

That's possible. You know, or she was paid by the Koch brothers to call every radio station with a sympathetic ear and give them the exact date multiple times and the website. Yep. Yeah. I mean, we know that like a lot of radio stations have fake callers that's endemic in talk radio. That's part of the game. Yeah. And I think that most of Alex's callers are real, but that doesn't mean that he's not still susceptible to someone

using his platform to get something else out. We've seen that a million times. I saw a clear diction and sentence structure from that caller plant. Suspicious. So Alex in a weird mood. He's going to complain about Obama a bunch more. But before he does, he starts to think about a movie. Of course, a science fiction movie.

He's got to talk about it. And when you're dying. Yeah. Of the bio weapons and planet in your body. I know you're too mentally weak to even admit we were right then. Johnny, you have always been weak. You have always been evil. Cool. And so you are with your father. It's what you want.

It's what you get. Who did that song come out techno from the 80s? This is what they want. Everybody get. This is what they want. This is what they get. You tube that. I bet you can just say this is what they want.

This is what they get. It was in a great sci-fi low budget B movie. In this dystopic future after nuclear war. And there's a this guy is a commando. He brings back to his girlfriend. The Warriors. What he thinks is a repair. He finds out on the wasteland.

Wally, the Star Wars. Actually, you have stuff like that. Now it ends up injecting him with the chemical weapon. But it gives you a nice hallucination of pleasure as you die. And he sees the kaleidoscope. Things crawling around in his apartment. This is what they want. This is what they get.

This is what they want. This is what they get. Get, get, get. You are going to get it. You're into death and skulls. Oh, you had the thread and then he lost it. Well, don't worry. Those above you are even more into it.

And they hate you. They hate you as you serve them and they're afraid of you. Sure. And so they're going to fly over you and spray you with the 2009 equivalent of Agent Orange, the DU. You're going to breathe it and you're going to love it. OK, all right. Some of the news, you know, here's that.

I love that. Oh, man, they're going to kill you all, but it will make you feel pleasurable for the end. Anyways, get into the news. Hot topics of the day. Let's get to Steve on the weather. What's on that? What's in the headlines?

All right, Alex, I don't think they're spraying depleted uranium, but whatever. Can you spray depleted uranium? Do you got to liquefy it first? Not sure. All right. Didn't look into that one. Didn't look into that?

I decided to reject it whole-claw. OK. I've looked into chemtrails enough to know that I don't think that's one of the, even in the weirdest conspiracies, I don't think it's depleted uranium. No, do you know it's crazy, though? Have you ever seen it? It's like aluminum.

Have you ever seen a crop tester? Like someone farting on your desk. And then walking away. That's what you want? It's moments like that. It's moments like that that make me wonder if this show would work so much better if Alex had a co-host, you know, to bounce things off of it.

No. Because if he's doing that, like, there's what they won't. What they get? What was that movie? The other guy could come in and be like, well, it was actually Flatliners or whatever the fuck. Flatliners? I don't know.

So you could have somebody that at least bounce things off of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I totally get you. The problem is that whenever Alex has anybody subordinate to him, like Jason Burmes or someone like that in studio, he just steamrolls them. It would have had to have started way before. Like before, now that he's in 2009,

there's no way he could adjust to a co-host. Or it would have to be someone who he has a pre-existing respect for, like a Mike Adams or something like that. I think he could have the authority, the status, to cock Alex a little bit or contain him. Time travel. We're going to book this. We're talking Major League era, Charlie Sheen.

Toss him in there. He could have used that victory. Not sure that Charlie would want that. Back then. Hey, but that's, I'm just saying that we would never have had two and a half men, wouldn't have had to deal with it. Major League three. Never would have had to wait.

I don't think he was in Major League three. Was he in the second one? He was definitely in the second one. Okay. I don't know if he was. I think he was definitely in the second one. Oh, he was. You're right.

He came out of the bullpen in the second one. He was very important. It was a big redemption arc for him. There's a lot of other stuff we wouldn't have. So at this point, my friend, Alex has a guest. It is a continuation of all of his state senators and state representatives coming in to talk about the 10th amendment stuff.

Cool. Excellent. He's an Oklahoma state senator. I believe it might have been a rep by the name of Randy Brogdon. That's the most Oklahoma state senator name you could ever have gotten. This guy is not cool.

What? Most of his career is just like 10th amendment type state sovereignty activity and things like that. He sounds like he was created by the dare program. What do you mean? Keep kids off drugs? Yeah. No, he has another agenda, but.

Keep kids on drugs. 420. Yeah. So the thing is like towards the more recent past, he's shown a bit of his wild streak, his wild feathers. I don't remember what the, I don't, I'm using the wrong expression. Now we're trying to get colloquialisms in here.

Yeah. I don't know. He's shown his true colors. Okay. So in 2015, Randy Brogdon called GOP executive director for Oklahoma, T.C. Ryan, a kind and outstanding young man. This would not be too upsetting, except that T.C. Ryan, Brogdon was saying this

after Ryan was forced to step down from his position after he pled guilty to charges of domestic assault and battery in the presence of a minor child, as well as interference with an emergency telephone call. Brogdon said Ryan was being quote dragged through the mud and that those critical of him quote should not be casting the first stone. The ironic part of that is Brogdon was that guy

was arrested for dragging his wife through the mud. See, I was hoping literally, I was hoping to find a police report so I could actually get these specifics of it or anything like that, but I wasn't able to find that. But yeah, it is, it is like, hey, don't use that sort of language when you're talking about someone who beat his wife

in front of his kid. Yeah. So also, I'll just tell you right now, he is really punching up. I will just tell you right now, this man here, he's, oh, he's tossing a baseball real hard at a person. So also in 2015, Brogdon put in a five month shift, and I'm gonna call it a shift,

because it wasn't a tenure, as the Oklahoma Republican Party Chairman, which ended in him resigning in what normal people might call disgrace. Party became a little uncomfortable with him after he made a post on the official GOP Party Facebook account where he compared giving people food stamps to feeding animals in national parks.

Cool, cool, cool, dude, cool, cool, cool, cool. This could possibly be written off as a little slip-up. No, it could. Were it not for the fact that during a debate about the Affordable Care Act, Brogdon, quote, asked the Black Caucus of Oklahoma State Legislature. This isn't gonna end well.

If the healthcare mandate would also require people to eat fried chicken. That's so racist, it's hilarious. That is a, that is not, that's self-parity of racism. It's confusingly racist. It's so racist. But what are you doing? Yeah.

Hold on, what do you mean by that? That's nuts. Is the SNAP program, does that function as for Popeyes? Is that what he's asking? You got watermelon in those school programs? Yeah, what are you doing? So I can't confirm this, but from the site I looked at, there was going over this, apparently he refused

to apologize for that too, which is like. Now. Balzy. I'm on both the, I'm on the don't apologize for it, because come on, man, you said it. Don't apologize, you still mean it. You're not going to lose any traction with the people who already support you.

Yeah. Yeah. So also in 2018, Brogdon reflected on how he had helped implement legislation that required women seeking abortions to be told that they could see ultrasounds and heart monitors of the fetus. In effect, attempting to terrorize women into keeping unwanted pregnancies.

He lamented that this had not ended abortion in Oklahoma and repented for his sins and left the pro-life camp. I'm guessing there's a turn here. And then he became what he liked to call an abortion abolitionist, seeking to completely outlaw abortion. Perfect. Love it.

Love it. That's the twist. Yeah. So yeah, he was like, when we were doing this pro-life stuff, what I realized is what we were really doing is trying to regulate abortion when I should just be saying, no women, you cannot. Yeah.

Which is cool. Great. Yeah. Also, in April 2018, it came out that Randy Brogdon was the executive director of a super PAC called Citizens for Free States, which had funneled at least $24,000 into the gubernatorial campaign of a pastor named Dan Fisher.

It's too complicated to get into now, but suffice it to say, Fisher is also an abortion abolitionist and swore to make it his first order of business to outlaw all abortion and make any such services inaccessible to women in Oklahoma. Sounds like he's probably dragged someone through the mud as well.

Also, Fisher is known to preach at his church wearing a Continental Army uniform, which looks exactly... These people are cartoons. It looks exactly... They're cartoons. It looks exactly as silly as it sounds, too. I've saw a couple pictures.

He's trying to bring back what he calls the Black Robe Regiment, which was a group of preachers in the Revolutionary War era who preached to their congregation that they should join the efforts against the British. To that, I say, again, there's literally nothing stopping you from doing exactly that

if you just pay your taxes. So you could do that. Be no problem. It's weird how he can muster up $25,000 to give to a monster's campaign, but, boy, paying taxes is hard, Dan. Sure. Although it remains to be proven,

given Brogdon and Fisher's connections, their shared fringe ideology, the fact that Brogdon endorsed Fisher when he ran for state representative in 2012, the fact that they're friends, it's unrealistic to think that they didn't coordinate a little on Fisher's gubernatorial run, which would be a very serious FEC violation.

Probably not worth looking into those until we got 7.9% of the votes in the Republican primary and is out of the running. What a waste of $24,000. Never gonna get that 24 grand back. I could use that 24 grand. Brogdon, hit up your boy. Yeah, I'm sure he'd support our show.

So anyway, that's a little bit of fun about this wing, Dan. And I don't want to listen to most of his appearance because it's very similar to other 10th Amendment with Dick Scooby-Doo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I only have one clip here because it's fucking hilarious. Alex is complaining more about Obama's speech and Brogdon says this.

Quite a scathing review of Obama's speech. It was probably one of the most soft morgue speeches I've ever heard in my life. If you compare it to the Constitution, if you compare it to the founders of this great nation. All right. So like, what are we talking? Grammar, what are we, like,

if you compare it to the Constitution, this speech is soft morgue. This speech is nothing compared to the founding document of our country. Seems like you're setting the bar a little high. Ah, you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you. The Constitution, a bit of a snooze. Not a great read.

Not a great read doesn't bring out the emotion. Like the Declaration of Independence, maybe you can toss that in there. That would have been a great speech, but come on, man. Yeah. Those amendments are boring. They're a little dry. Yeah, nothing much going on there.

No. So yeah, I just think that's really funny though. It's a soft morgue speech. That's what you expect to hear from somebody. And then when he's like, when you compare it to the Constitution, it's like, just stop. Okay.

Just stop. All right. What about when you compare it to an Oscar speech? How about that? Was it a pretty good one? And it's a push. It's a push? Yeah.

So after this, Alex has another guest on. There's a guy named William, F. William Engdahl. You ever heard of this gentleman? No. Okay. No pass. Well, we're not- Hard pass.

Not gonna listen to too much of him, but because he's sort of new to our scope, it bears getting into who is this guy? So F. William Engdahl is a political and economic writer. Or at least that's how he would like to describe himself. The rest of the world might use different terms, Jordan. Yes. Engdahl has been published dating back to at least 2014

by the New Eastern Outlook. The foreign propaganda front we encountered a couple episodes back, which is run by the Russian Academy of Sciences. He's published almost exclusively anti-U.S. stories and many that followed the exact line that Russia puts out about how they're the good guy in Ukraine, including this headline, quote,

Soros as Kiev's central banker. He even wrote an article in 2015 titled, quote, Why I Wept at the Russian Parade. Here's an excerpt. Quote, my tears at seeing the silent marchers and seeing Putin amid them was an unconscious reaction to what on reflection I realized was my very personal sense of recognition.

How remote from anything comparable in my own country, the United States of America, such a memorial march in peace and serenity would be today. Oh boy. Pretty indicative of his writing that I've read. Yeah. Not really a writer so much as a sycophant. Very strongly in line with the Putin government

stance on issues. A lot of Ukraine stuff. Even if I loved somebody, I'm not going to write like that about them. What if they're paying you? I mean, like late period, Robert F. Kennedy would still be like, man, it was a good speech a couple of weeks ago.

Okay. So also Engdahl's on the advisory board of veterans today, which is largely just a propaganda outpost, a one that notably reposts tons of articles from New Eastern Outlook to the point where some have speculated that their partnership represented an intentional effort to indoctrinate the armed forces. What?

Engdahl has also been a writer for Alexander Dugan's publication, Catehan, since at least 2016. Perhaps more importantly, Engdahl works for the Center for Research on Globalization, a Canada based think tank run by Mikhail Shosodovsky. In 2017, the Center for Research on Globalization was specifically named by the NATO Strategic Communication Center, which is where their

Information Warfare specialists work, as a website that served as quote, a key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis of, in fact, that also happened to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin. They further described it as quote, a link in the concerted effort to undermine

the credibility of mainstream Western media, as well as the North American and European public's trust in government and public institutions. Right, right. This guy, F. William Engdahl, his career is just a laundry list of working at conspiracy outlets and Russian propaganda depots. In other words, he is a very normal Alex Jones guest.

Yeah. Do you think he's like, listen, when you're a writer just starting out, it's tough to get a gig. Right. So maybe he just answered an ad or something like that. Do you think he's just, do you think he's just a jobber?

Do you think if somebody in- Like on Boris's list? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If somebody in the American government was like, hey, we'll give you, what do you want, a raise? Would he just jump over and be like, cool, America's the best now? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't think so. I would assume not. The fact that he cried at a military parade. Yeah, but he didn't really cry. Yeah, probably not. Either that or like his contacts were dry. Yeah, it could be.

I don't know. I don't know enough about his like early, like career to know at what point did this pivot happen? But I don't know. I think probably, yeah, you could buy them. Probably not now though. That's the thing is like, a lot of these propagandists have made their bed.

You know, like, it would have to, it'd be very difficult to buy a lot of them now because there's too much track that they've laid. Right, right, right. That would be hard to undo. You're right. You'd have to have some sort of like, a lot of money and a foundational moment

that they could use to pivot the rhetoric. Oh yeah, yeah. That's what's so important. Redemption arc for everybody. Right, but you still need to have some sort of. He could have shown up in the comedy salad. Could be. Had a little speech by Putin's not that great after all.

We now we welcome him back with open arms. Did a solid 45. Goo. So anyway, here is Alex talking to F. William Engdahl. Alex gives a stark prediction that did not come to pass. And then Engdahl says something Alex shouldn't agree with. Because I know a lot of big money. And I know people that know a lot of big money.

I mean, billionaires that live in Austin and have houses in New York and their places, they've all been leaving the last three years. And you know, I've from corporate lawyers and other people I know, you know, they're saying quote America won't exist by 2010. And so they're literally taking their billions and building armored compounds in, you know,

the islands of the Caribbean and in the islands. And they're literally building bunkers. I mean, what do they think they've done? Yeah. The certain places at a certain point, there's no real place to hide. You know, this affects everybody. You can't live on another planet.

So. So what do they think they've done that they're evacuating? Yeah, yeah, no, I read you. I think they realized that they're gonna be some very, very angry citizens who are gonna wake up and say, wait a minute. How did the head of city bank accumulate

a billion dollars as president of a bank? How haven't we done this right now? How many fraudulent predatory loans did he push on the people who couldn't even write their own name? But we're told they would get a dream house if they just put an X on a piece of paper. Hey man, regulation, boy. Sounds like a good idea.

Yeah, so. Either that or the other part of his speech, which is that we rise up and murder them in their redoubts. All of the stuff that William F. William Engdahl is saying there is like the stuff that people, I see much more on the left saying. Yeah, no, I agree with everything you just said right there. Yeah.

Except for the facts that they've built fortresses. Right, right. I mean, I assume some of them have built fortresses. And then shitty prediction that the United States won't exist in what, eight months, 10 months from when? Well, yeah, but there's a black president. So that was up in the air. That was a 50-50 shot at that point.

That's fair. That's fair. From their viewpoint, I see where they're coming from. Yeah, exactly. So, so disgusting to see like, oh, that's probably coloring a lot of their opinions, especially on an episode where he has a state rep on who asked if fried chicken was going to be mandatory

in the Affordable Care Act. Yeah, it's almost like the Republican Party has always been this racist. Oh, yeah, man. Weird. Now they just feel emboldened or empowered to talk like they're racist all the time. And you know what else to?

Like, I think that everybody gave people way too, like, why to birth. Because you don't hear stories about like Randy Brogdon. Now, like, you don't hear anything about state representatives unless you lived in Oklahoma. You might have heard that stuff. Right, right, right. Like, there has to be every single Alex Jones

guest that he has, all these 10th Amendment state reps and state senators that come on, you scratch a little bit beneath the surface, and they're like, oh my god. Races. What the fuck did you say? Yep. And I have to assume that you do that with the people who

aren't on Alex's show. I bet there's a lot of them who have been just as awful. Well, I mean, the Florida race for fucking, what is it? It's governor. No, it's not governor, is it? The one that's going on now? Yeah, between the mayor and the racist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's going on. That's a governor race, right? That's a really fascinating thing for me, because this reminds me of shit that my dad and my family would say, where it's like, OK, well, would you vote for this guy? He's clearly and obviously a racist. They'd be like, no, I just wouldn't vote.

So it's like, oh, so you would passively allow him to be governor, so you could wash your hands of it, as opposed to actually stopping a Nazi from being elected. Boy, there's some sort of corollary there. It's almost like that kind of thinking contributed to the rise of the Nazis. It's almost like there's that quotation that everybody on the right fetishizes.

They're like, oh, it takes for evil to succeed in the world. Is good men doing nothing? Yeah, that seems similar. And then people do nothing. Yeah, it's crazy. Weird. So you don't want a Nazi to be governor, but you don't want to stop a Nazi from being governor.

That's a strange thought. You don't want the Nazi to be governor, but. But why should there be a but? Why is there a but? Shouldn't there be a let's stop the Nazi from being the governor? Maybe. No, but don't worry about it.

It's Florida. I'm sure they'll make the right decision. So, Jordan, we have one more clip from the 25th here. Yeah. And in it, I think Alex, I don't think he realizes how much he could be talking to his future self. I believe that he is very present about something that's going to happen to him.

This clip made me have to pause the episode when it happened, just to be like, I've got to absorb that shit. So enjoy. And if the military and the police and the bureaucracy start talking about arresting people, and grand juries do, we can stop them. We can fix the bleeding. But I know you're into a power trip,

and you've just got to be destroyed. So fine. Just at least know you did it to yourself. I mean, that's the most important thing here is that in the end, you repent of what you've done. That's what life's all about. Just you've been suckered by the New World Order, sold by their mind control experts,

servants of evil out there. And you think you're part of the pet puppies, the chosen ones that'll be protected, you're not. And you're going to have to experience this now. And good people, even though we fought against it, we're going to have to experience it too. This is the bankers having their way with us. We're going to come back and take calls here in just a moment.

I did want to take some time out to thank our sponsors like eFoodsDirect.com. Like me, good eFoodsDirect. Proto ad pivot. The idea of like, when everything goes wrong, just know you did this to yourself. That's something I would say to Alex right now. No, yeah.

The circumstances that he finds himself in, I'm like, hey, Alex, you did this to yourself. That was jarring. Yeah, yeah. That was very jarring. Yeah. Not least of which to the part where he's like, you think you're one of the protected ones.

You think Trump is going to stop you from getting kicked off Facebook? You think Trump is going to change? Like he could be more specific about this. Yeah, I mean, everything. You've been suckered in by this gobless brainwashing. And just replace the propaganda narratives that have been fed to him over his life

about the globalists. All of it matches. And the bankers are getting what they want and you have been conned. Yeah, and you're complicit to a certain extent. So Alex, all I ask is that you take your own advice and repent because that is what life is all about. Anyway.

I don't think that's what it's all about. No, it's about the hokey pokey. Turn yourself around. Oh, I thought it was bounce houses. No, bounce houses are great though. I think I'm too big for them though. Makes me sad. I need a huge one.

Anyway, let's move on. Jordan, let's move on. We need 30 more policy walks and then we can rent Dan the biggest bounce house you've ever seen. Stretch goal! So, Jordan, we're moving on to the 26th of February here. And we're going to enter a little bit of an Oklahoma City situation here.

But this next clip is one of the things that I have something very specific to say on the other side of this. And I just think it's a stupid clip. But it's stupider for another reason. And I'll get to that in a second. Majority of U.S. states join sovereignty movement, a certain 10th Amendment rights.

Then the last time 14 states passed this in 94, 95, the first bomb of Oklahoma City. And it's an absolute fact they did. An absolute fact they blew that building. And yes, it was Deputy Attorney General at the time, Eric Holder. So, he's heavily trying to imply that Eric Holder did Oklahoma City.

Yeah, that sounds right. You know, I buy it. And so, all I can say to that is no. Like, you know, I will take the contrary position and it's up to him to prove it. You know, like these specific things, when we have these narratives and these overarching things that Alex talks about,

be it Oklahoma City or 9-11, he'll use, like, he'll just say, ah, it's a false flag. In this case, they blew up the building. Eric Holder is complicit in it. He was involved. I can't do anything with that. I can only do something with specific pieces

that he's going to bring out. And so, I'm not going to sit here and go through literally every piece of information that could be involved in Alex's possible conspiracy theory about Oklahoma City. I can't debunk this nonsense. Did you see that on that day, Eric Holder was photographed

walking out of the Oklahoma City building? Someone else was seen there. Yeah, but okay. Then let's add this other bit of evidence there. And it doesn't necessarily correlate, but did you see that Eric Holder was walking out of the book depository on 11, 1963? I heard about that.

Look, I mean, that's an intrinsic problem for me. Did you see that he was walking out of the opera house? Sure, yep. He's a time-traveling murderer, is what I'm saying. Yeah, he was hobbling too from jumping off the ground. Yeah, exactly. So, look, the only reason I bring this up is like I love trying to find out

what he's talking about and where he's lying. And when things like this happen, it leads me on wild goose chases. Because I end up trying to look into what he's talking about and I find like, oh, maybe this is it. And then I go down this path and I'm like, this is nonsense, but what if it's not

what he's talking about? So then I'm like, well, let's see if there's other possibilities. And then I end up spending seven hours reading bullshit that has nothing to do with what he may or may not be talking about. So we had that one time that he talked about Oklahoma City. He talked about Terrence Yakey,

the police officer who ended up committing suicide from survivor's grief and all that. I was able to get into... Or was he murdered by Eric Holder? Could have been. So I was able to dig into that and we were able to talk about that because that's a specific he uses.

In this case, just implying that Eric Holder was involved isn't good enough for me. So I had this and it ruined a couple days for me because I'm going down fucking wild goose chase is about his nonsense. I love that rhetorical technique as well. Like, it's a guarantee that the government bombed that city. It was the government we can prove it.

And you know who was the librarian at the time? Totally. It's as good of a theory. Exactly. Anybody who might have been in office is involved. Yep. That's weak shit. So the other thing I need to bring up

is that I did a disservice to our audience. And I only realized it after going down all these fucking stupid roads. Right. So on our episode that we talked about with Anders Brevik, I mentioned that Alex had a DHS report that they were concerned

that more white people could be terrorists. Right. I was, this is an unfortunate instance where I took Alex at his word. Oh, they didn't even have that report? I didn't look into what he was talking about and I have since found out what he's talking about. What Alex is talking about is not a report

by the Department of Homeland Security. It is a PSA that they put out or a video that they put out that has a bunch of people who are presented as terrorists advising people, you know, hey, keep your eyes open. You know, there's things afoot. You know, there's a dangerous world. Yeah.

So use your help in terms of being eyes and ears, which I'm slightly uncomfortable with, but I understand why a society would be like, hey, it's either this or I don't know what we do. If you see something white, say something white. But here's the thing. They aren't saying that white people are terrorists. Alex watched.

I am. Alex watched that video and he thought, huh, too many white people being presented as terrorists in this video. It's not that they are. Commissioned a report or anything like, nobody did a shit ton of research or there's no statistically only thing he's going off of

is a video that he watched where he thought on his own subjective basis that there were too many white people being presented as terrorists and he doesn't agree with that. So it made me realize that a lot of these times when Alex is bringing up a kernel of evidence, I end up chasing it and it doesn't exist.

It's in his head. It's just his subjective experience of the world is like, the DHS is saying that white people are terrorists. You think that because of your experience of watching this video. Right. I can't do anything with that. It's like when, what was it?

Was it maybe like Laura Bush? They put out that like, shit, now I can't remember it specifically, but it's this thing that was like anti pornography and it was like, oh, you see women wearing these skirts and they're like 16 and you're like, nobody's sexualizing that, but you, you're the one who's doing that.

You realize that. So nobody is insisting that these people are saying that all whites are terrorists other than Alex, who's like, well, yeah, I mean, all whites are terrorists. So I got to fight against that thought. He's appealing to the authority of his own experience of watching that video. And that's a really troubling thing that I realized

about this world that we're studying. Cause man, I can't study that. You know? I can't study how he experiences things until he reveals on the show that that's what he's talking about. Right. And so it's just, it's weird.

It's really weird to have this two years in this kernel that I probably should have considered long ago. The idea that like, huh, a lot of his primary sources might be him really just ramping up something he thought. Yeah. And that's not good. What's even more concerning is that the reason that neither of us were even considering

looking into it is because we were both immediately like, oh yeah, that report exists. I could see it. Yeah. Even if that report doesn't exist, it probably should. I could see it. Like, yeah, the reason I never felt the interest in looking into it specifically is that like,

for on a gut level, I kind of just assumed like, well, yeah, it makes sense that like, I mean, even if you just consider the idea of like, the rising right wing tide, the militias, the Patriot movement, and then you fold into that like environmental terrorism, which is a big issue. Right.

And largely white people. So if you include those two things, it would make sense for people who were trying to keep an eye out for terrorism to warn or to put out some sort of a statement or paper, white paper, that said something like that. You know, it would make sense. I'm just, when I hear Alex say something like that,

I don't think, oh, this is your experience of watching a video. I assume you're misrepresenting something that probably exists. Yeah. And it's always been so secondary to things that we're talking about that I've never saw fit to actually like buckle down, find the document.

Yeah. And now I realize I couldn't find that document if I wanted to based on his rhetoric. It's just in his head. Well, the other thing that makes it obvious is there are just more white people. True. Like statistically, if you go by demographics,

it's like, whether or not the ratio is great. Like there are a lot of murders in Chicago, but statistically that's cause there's a fuck ton of people in Chicago. Right. You know, like that kind of simple argument. Right. Who's most likely to kidnap a child?

It's the person that's known cause they know you. You know, cause they're around all the time. Right. Like it's a, it's a simple statistical argument. Yeah. I buy it. Yep. So that's all to say, I can't do shit

with him saying that they blew up Oklahoma city. I could sit here and give you all the evidence of all of the like time stamped bills of Timothy McVeigh buying all the materials and stuff like that, but go watch a fucking documentary or look into it because everything I could tell you enforces and re strengthens basically the main narrative of the Oklahoma city story.

Yeah. I think that there have been grand juries that have looked into it. There have been investigations into it. Every piece of stuff that is like, well, what about this? Is flimsy, everything is circumstantial. There's not much to it. So I don't want to sit here and tell you,

like read six pages of fucking text where I just tell you, here's exactly what happened. But that went through the legal system, Dan. And do you know who is deputy attorney general at the time? Globalists. No, it was Eric Holder. Yeah. So I can't, I can't do shit with that.

We'll see if he eventually comes up with a specific that we can look into. I don't know if he will, maybe he will, maybe he won't. But before we get into any of that, Alex wants to talk about how much he loves guns. And if you don't, you are basically a house slave. Oh, buddy. Oh, man.

You know who loves it? You know who hates guns? People who like fried chicken. Christ. A citizen sees cops in paramilitary black masks with sub machine guns and they go, oh, I feel so safe. Oh, yes, oh, oh.

But they see another slave with a gun. They're like, you're a slave. You're not supposed to have a weapon. And just like black house slaves in the United States, 200 years ago, if they saw a slave with even a knife or a mallet or a hickory stick or any type of weapon, they would run in and say, the slave, the slave's got a weapon.

The slave, the slave's got a weapon. You are gale. You are domesticated. You are cowardly. You will be usurped. You will be enslaved. You will be robbed. You'll be nailed to the wall

until you actually grow up and be men and women out there. Every day I see articles where a woman calls 911. I saw one just this weekend where a woman called 911 and took the police 15 minutes to get there. And by the time they got there, she was murdered. I mean, somebody starts busting in my house. My wife just goes to the internet access pistol safe that's in three rooms.

She has the revolver in seconds and she just relaxes, calmly, points at the center of mass and opens fire until the firearms discharged. That's not good. No, and he was married to Kelly at this point. I'm not sure that Kelly would be, based on everything I've gleaned from her, I don't think that she would be chill

about shooting somebody as Alex is presenting. It doesn't seem like she's exactly the same sort of like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna calmly aim at the center of mass and discharge. That's fucked up. Even more fucked up. Listen to how Alex explains what he would do

when an intruder comes. Oh no, I don't wanna know. Somebody starts coming to my house. I just calmly like a robot. Go get the firearm. So you gotta do it and just relax. Take a deep breath and just open fire. Open fire.

He's doing that voice, that boor, voice that he does. I don't like any of this. Like a robot. I dissociate and grab a gun. See, here's a big issue with gun control. I don't like how people who have guns think. No. That's not good.

That's a bad way to think about life. It's not all of the people who have guns, but it seems like it's pre-consistent within people who love guns. You know, that sort of like, the idea that he's saying like a- I want a reason to use my gun to kill a person. That's problematic.

I just want a reason. Just give me a reason to kill a human. That's troubling. But then even like the, like a robot, I grab a gun. That sort of description to me is like, don't grab that gun, robot. Yeah, no, no, no, no, it's fine.

Like someone who no longer has empathy for other human beings. Exactly. I grab a gun and intentionally try to kill them. I dissociate. You know, like a good person. And definitely not at all like what I imagine a serial killer does.

Beep-a-boop. Boom, boom, boom. I think a robot would actually be more, more safe with a gun. Discerning. Yeah, probably. So- Robocop didn't even kill that one lady.

He shot her through the skirt and hit that guy in the dick. Robocop a good aim. He doesn't aim for center mass. I'll tell you that right now. Jordan, this next clip starts literally right after Alex said like a robot, I grab a gun and aim.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. This clip is super fucked up. Yeah, I'm shocked. I'm shocked that after he said that he is fine with killing a human being, he then says something fucked up. But it's not even like really connected, I don't think.

It's a jarring jump that he's making. Okay. You know, that woman with that chimpanzee, that 200 pounder, you know, 100 pound chimp is as strong as a 500 pound man in shape. What? What does that even look like? 200 pounder, that means it had the strength

of a 1,000 pound man with a 2% body fat. That's not how that looks. Lipter nose off, ripped her eyes out, ripped her face off. Of course it was on a psychotropic always. What? It's not normal, you know. No, it's totally normal. You can't even have them have to like

five or something. Delusions. No pills for monkeys. That's a good idea. Every mass shooter we've seen has been on it. Every case has been on it. I talk a lot of police when they pull up in a house in Houston or whatever and a naked woman's dancing

on a roof, slicing her breast off with butcher knives or a woman cuts her baby's arms off or drives her kids into the water. They're always on it. Always. It's a hallucinogen. And yeah, you may have two or three years of good trips, folks, putting you in a dream,

but you're gonna have that bad trip. And then it, you had a bad trip. Brain and triggers through the serotonin reuptake inhibitor system, huge imbalances, and then aggression hormones flood the brain. Well, I would say you're being really unfair and really very closed-minded. I'm gonna go with nonsensical as well.

Yeah, I don't think that it wants, if you're coming in with like, it affects the serotonin reuptake inhibitor system. It's like, well, that's the class of drugs. It's a serotonin. Apple invented that, right? That's Suri. Serotonin reuptake inhibitors are the drugs,

not a part of your brain. So he's just grasping at straws, trying to demonize the idea of psych meds and shit like that, which is super evil. It's really bad. I mean, it's really smart if you're a person with paranoid schizophrenia, who is terrified of getting any kind of medication for it.

I only know that I'm famous because I'm unmedicated. Yeah, that's kind of true. If I were, if I took care of myself, I would not believe in these apparitions, I call globalists. It's probably true. Yeah, yeah, probably. And he would, he has to know on some,

I don't know if he knows on a, like an active level, but he must know on some level that if he advocated well-being for his listeners and advocated for them seeking the help that they actually needed, they would often drift from him. Oh yeah, of course. They would feel better about life.

They would understand, oh, I shouldn't listen to this guy who's just trying to make me scared all the time. There's nobody people who go off their meds love more than somebody who doesn't take meds. That's kind of a running theme with our kind. Manic demagoguery is very attractive to people who are unmedicated, who need medication.

Yeah. Not everybody does. That's just because we're so pro medication, let's say, I think we should, it behooves us to say not everybody needs it, but a lot of people do. Yeah, sure, I'm fine with that. Yeah, I don't believe in a world where everyone must be diagnosed

and put on a regimen, but I do believe that everyone should take care of themselves. That's probably a good idea. That's why we don't have as many listeners as he does. Yeah, probably. Well, we do now. And because we don't do shit like this. We don't do shit like this

where he scares people with terrible predictions. If just the listeners of this show would take my films and make a hundred copies of peace. That's a lot. Of road to tyranny or terror storm or the Obama deception and give those to others with a note saying, A copyright infringement, by the way.

Please make copies and pay this forward. Pass this on. We would bring these people down. But we've only, I think, got six months to a year before they stage another huge terror attack. Whoa! We are in a race. So, six months.

He already said America's probably not gonna exist in 2010, which again, 10 months from now. Right. Six months, maybe a year from now. We had another big one coming, didn't happen. So, I don't know. I would say his gut assessment of stuff is pretty terrible. It's usually wrong.

Yeah. It's not great. No. He should probably not trust his gut anymore. No, he should probably get on Activia or- Activia? Some of those probiotic yogurts. Is that, is that a good idea?

Clean up the gut. That, I'm gonna go with a lot of the health benefits to those are over exaggerated, Dan. Yeah, you need that good bacteria. Sure. Sure. Sure. Love it.

It's probiotics. It fights antibiotics. I used to drink that liquid yogurt from Danin. It's called- Gogurt? No, it's called Danactive. And I- Danactive, you can't help but drink that.

I made a big deal of it. It was made for you. I made a big deal out of like, this is me, active. Wow. Drink a little yogurt shot. That is terrible. Yeah, it was pretty bad. That sounds disgusting.

I was in college just having fun. So- Is that, is that most people's story? Yeah, my freshman year, dude. I just went all in on the drinkable yogurt. That happened to have my name in it. I was so desperate for a personality, I latched on to Danactive yogurt.

Yeah, yeah, something like that. That's a regular college experience. So, but in college, I learned a lot from textbooks as I did in elementary school, junior high, high school. But I would like to point out that Alex has a different version of the world. You've used textbooks a little bit differently. In the last six months, we've posted,

I think, three different textbooks that are being used in middle school and high school with the names, with the blow-ups, saying, world government, the bankers will rule you. They know best. Second amendment is evil. Carbon taxes are wonderful. And so, just Google, textbook covers new world order.

Or textbook covers chemtrails. There's a bunch of textbooks. They teach high school students. The government is spraying an aerosol in the air to form clouds that protect you from solar radiation because the ozone layer's dead. That does sound right. And, you know, so see, for the children,

Time Magazine for Kids, that they give out free in most public schools. What? In two issues that we know of, your parents are backwards. It literally says in foolish, they don't know the future and how great it is to get a chip.

But you're trendy and awesome. I mean, sir, it is like a science fiction nightmare dystopia. I had to cut this clip off, but after this, Alex gets into, like, highlights for kids. And he's like, are we... Highlights for kids? He's like, they pull this dichotomy between Goofus and Galant.

And I'm saying they're the same guy. What? No, he doesn't. Oh, okay. But he might as well. That sounds very close to reality. Might as fucking well. Except for the Goofus and Galant reference.

Now that I think about it, there's no way that he's on that tip. I was like, why are they complaining about Goofus? He seems pretty cool. Look, the issue that I have with this as a plan by the globalists is like, if you're trying to change the minds of kids, textbooks and Time Magazine for Children.

I didn't know there was a Time Magazine for Children. I don't know if there is either. I didn't fact check that. But that's not the way to do it. Cause they don't give a shit. They want to run around to the park. Who's the Time Magazine for Children man of the year? Or person of the year?

Boy of the year. Probably cause it was sexist magazine. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Only since 1999, they had child person of the year, as opposed to boy of the year. I don't know.

It was always Richie Cunningham. It was always Richie Cunningham. It was always Richie Cunningham. Couldn't come over the wrong. Now it's character from Andy Griffith. I tried. I tried. Couldn't come up with it.

No, I'm not pulling that. That isn't happening. That's the best I got. That's all you got? Yep. What was the name of the drunk? Is it Otis? The town drunk?

Sure. All right. Wait, there was a town drunk in that? Yeah, Andy Griffith. Wasn't that like a family show? Yeah, but one of the main characters was a town drunk. Was just a town drunk? Yeah, he was always sleeping it off in lock up.

Cause Andy Griffith was the town like sheriff. Right. Yeah, there was the lovable town drunk who was always. That seems really odd now in retrospect. Well, it's because back then the character. There was the barber. There was the sheriff. There was the boy.

And then, oh, of course, the lovable town drunk who's always in prison. Well, yeah, but. Well, jail, I apologize. For the night. He's in county, he's in lock up. For the night. He's sleeping it off.

Why don't they get him into a program? No. They're enablers. Andy Griffith is a bad guy in the show. They didn't know about Bill W in Mayberry. Don't come down on them. They didn't have a program. You know what?

I'm sorry. This is just, now that I realize how irresponsible Andy Griffith was as a sheriff, this is a problem. There's no fucking way there's an AA meeting in Mayberry. Well, there's. The town population was minuscule. There's somewhere to go. There's some sort of rehab program.

Guy's drunk all the time. He can't drive. Rehab, please. It is crazy. Recidivism is a real problem. It is wild that that is part of the show. But it was back then. Back then, so much of the depiction of drunks

would be like winos and stuff like that where they. Yeah. It was, it was such a, like, almost meh, who cares. Kind of depiction of alcohol. But the best, the best depiction of that time was always the drunk who's on like the sidewalk, just holding a brown bag. And then something crazy happens.

And he turns and looks at it. He looks at it and he's like boo. He throws away the boo. Yeah, exactly. See, that's the problem with the Andy Griffith show. There should have been a surreal event that happened. And they never would have had to worry about it again. I'm sure it happened all the time.

Because that was like a classic comedy beat that used to happen in so many shows. The like, the whinoe takes a swig, something fucking up, happens, he throws the bottle. It happened all the fucking time. It's perfect. Back then, they would just reuse gags on every fucking show. It was crazy how everyone just stole all the shit.

Hold on. Let's, let's, let's. Fair enough they still do. Yeah. But anyway. Haven't you ever seen The Good Wife? I don't know why that, that was a weird poll. Not positive why we went down this road based on the clips.

Why nos and shit? Yeah. So anyway, how did we get to the Andy Griffith show? Time magazine for kids and textbooks aren't trying to indoctrinate your children. They're probably not reading them. And also Time magazine for kids probably doesn't exist. Probably.

So now, we know Alex Jones has one politician and one politician only that he is in love with. That is Ron Paul. Right. And a caller calls in and he's like, why isn't he clowning and dunking on these globalists? Alex has an interesting answer. And then I have something really fun to talk about.

What I want to see from Ron Paul next time he has Bernanke, I mentioned this before. Why can't he just start embarrassing these people? You know what I mean? The, the, the main reason why people are still listening to the globalists is because the globalists still have this aura of. We have to call them out as criminals that need to be

arrested like the state senator did yesterday. And Ron Paul, loving to death. And I've told him this, you know, privately, he is just too much of a gentleman, too much of a nice guy. They attacked him in the media. I think if he'd have been more aggressive and more hardcore, uh, that, that he would have had a better chance of winning.

No. No. He would not have won. No. Now, it's really funny that Alex is alleging that Ron Paul is too much of a gentleman to call out the globalists when he sit back and reflect on his career. We've already discussed his very definitely self-authored

and very definitely racist newsletter. But I want to tell you, Jordan, today I want to tell you a little story about something even more exciting that Ron Paul may have been up to in the 1980s. All right. So Jordan, this story is something you've never heard. I'm certain. Okay.

This is one of the greatest things I think I've ever read. No, it's not true. But it's okay. All right. On April 27th, 1981, Don Black, a white supremacist who would later create Stormfront. No. No, boo.

The future crea- Pass, a man named Black is creating a white supremacist. No, boo. There's a certain irony there. Pass. The man who would later create Stormfront was arrested along with nine other men who were suspiciously all gathered around a boat full of so many guns, a bunch of dynamite,

and a Nazi flag. As it turns out, these men had planned to meet up with a hastily thrown together militia and overthrow the government of the island nation, Dominica, in hopes of setting up a white supremacist utopian state. What? Yeah. Yeah.

What? Yeah. Wait, the guy who created just a regular old racist website. Previously. That is no regular. Well, no, no, no, no. It's way up there. Premier white supremacist.

Perhaps one of the best. Yeah. I hate saying that. No, that's a weird, weird way to look at it, but. I shouldn't call it the best of anything. That's the marquee. Like, that's the broad way of white supremacists. Yeah.

So, yeah. So, so originally he had a plan to perform a coup. You bet it. And take over. Dominica. Really? Yep. In 1981, with nine.

With nine guys? Yes. Boy, white supremacists really think highly of themselves. You gotta, you gotta be surprised by that. I can't stress this enough. It was these nine dudes, they were going to get on this boat and then meet up with a hastily thrown together militia. Right.

So there was a quote unquote army that they were going to meet up with. Sure. So it wasn't just the nine of them that were going to perform the coup. There was them plus a weirdo group. And six of those guys were Ron Paul, right? We're going to get to that.

OK. So the plan was fucked from the jump. Though they had originally secured a captain to take them to Dominica, he and his crew would back out in February of 1981. Just two months before the planned coup. One of the co-conspirators, client member Mike Perdue, found a new captain and told him that they needed his services

for a CIA covert operation. Sure. Smart. That captain, Michael Howell, promptly called the ATF, who put some countermeasures into action. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I imagine he put down the phone and then immediately picked it back up and he's like, hold on.

No, no, no, no. You guys got to see this shit. Yeah, yeah. So they put these countermeasures into action, at which point the man who the conspirators planned to install as the new prime minister in Dominica, the guy named Patrick Johns, was arrested in Dominica. Though the jig was up and their man was arrested,

for some reason, Mike Perdue wanted to power on and keep trying to get the mission done. The whites sure do think a lot of themselves. So naturally, the ATF planted some men in Howell's crew and they were police waiting at the marina to arrest everyone on the day of the planned departure. Also, naturally, once Mike Perdue got arrested, he started squealing on everyone involved.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So Perdue would go on to testify that both David Duke and Ron Paul were both personally aware of the plans, as was the then governor of Texas John Connolly. What? He implicated three men as financiers of the adventure, one of whom, J.W. Kirkpatrick, committed suicide before he was due to appear in court.

Smart. Don Black, as mentioned, would go on to create Stormfront. He would also go on to aggressively campaign for Ron Paul, anytime he was up for election, particularly by using Stormfront to sway the white supremacist neo-Nazi vote in his direction. David Duke would also be a very loud supporter of Ron Paul's presidential efforts,

and has referred to Ron Paul as, quote, our king. Though he never made a statement on it, and the judge declined to subpoena Ron Paul in the conspirators' trial, I would bet just about anything that I own that Ron Paul was absolutely aware of the plot to overthrow Dominica, and may have been involved in some way. There's so many people who are connected to him

who were involved with this plot. That guy, definitely, when he turned state's evidence, was like, yeah, Ron Paul knew about this. And the other people that he said were involved, one of them killed himself. Right. The other two. Well, that was proof that he wasn't involved.

The other two financiers who were named, they had their cases thrown out just because they didn't have enough evidence, but probably were involved. Yeah. And then the judge refused to subpoena Ron Paul, who was a sitting congressman at the time. It really feels like you should have subpoenaed Ron Paul. And then John Connolly, who was the fucking governor of Texas,

suspiciously, the conspirators, who ended up being found guilty or pleading guilty, ended up only getting three years in court. Wonder why. It really, I really feel like, or three years in prison. I really feel like planning and attempting to commit a coup should get more than three years. Well, the guy who they were going to install as prime minister got more.

But that's because he was there. He was caught early, too. Yeah. Yeah. So are you telling me that I could charter a plane with like, let's say, what do they got? Maybe Max, 60 guys, and just fill that plane with guns, and then just fly to Iran and be like,

we're going to take over this bitch. Iran's probably too big. You'd have to go with something like. What do you mean, Iran? So anywhere is too big for 60 guys to commit a coup unless they already live there and are in the government. Dominican is pretty small. Yeah, 60 guys, though.

Yeah, it's tough. You couldn't even commit a coup of like, Champaign, Illinois with 60 guys. Wow. There's a, yeah. I don't want to talk about the logistics of it as much as I want to talk about it. I do want to talk about the logistics of it. It was a stupid fucking plan.

There was nobody there just like, guys, this is a really bad idea. Well, the boat captain that they tried to enlist was. Yeah, he was, well, he was smart. He's like, uh, no, I'm going to call the ATF on your asses. It's like, it's the sort of thing that I think you could make a really good, like dark comedy about. Like a dark, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, cause the story is hilarious.

No, it's like the, yeah. The idea that Ron Paul has never put out, like never said, I was not involved in that. He's never made a statement about it. And these people are very clearly saying he was, uh, it's crazy. Yeah, but if you are Ron Paul, what's the win there? You just, well, then you have a white supremacist state that you secretly were involved in helping. Well, somebody's going to ask a question about how a white supremacist state took over in America sooner or later, somebody's going to be like, Hey, but if Ron Paul keeps his

hands clean, he'll have people like Don Black and people like these clan members who were involved spreading the word on the low in a way that's not provable in court that he was part of it. Hey, he's our king. He's backing us up. He can't, he can't put that rhetoric out into public because if he does, he'll be publicly disqualified from ever being in office. Right.

But there's a, he does serve his interests. There's going to be a paper trail of some sort. It's like, it's like, well, that's true. I mean, it's like, we still have like bank transactions and everything, but he wasn't one of the financiers necessarily. Okay. Well, but that's what you can get around that with fucking money orders, untraceable money orders and yeah, but these guys are dumb.

Like, well, like with Manafort, like with Manafort, there's definitely that like the worst thing that happened to Manafort was Trump won because otherwise nobody would have looked into it. I think Ukraine might have. Well, yeah, but they don't, not like an extra item. Yeah, exactly. Right. But any, look dude, Ron Paul was probably involved in this.

Yeah. Almost certainly. No way to necessarily prove it, but the gut tells me Ron Paul tried to overthrow Domenica. What's weird is that in four years, Ron Paul will be elected president of Domenica. No. Yeah. Yeah. Or at the least president of Champaign, Illinois.

Perhaps. As long as you got 59 other dudes. So at this point, Alex has representative Charles Key on the show. Yeah. He was a great, great, great grandson of F Scott Key, Francis Scott Key. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who wrote the national anthem.

Indeed. Which is definitely not racist at all. Let's pretend he is. Yeah. That sounds fun. Also a second cousin to Alan Keyes. Why not? Yeah.

That sounds great. So third cousin to Alan Watt. Why not? Yeah. Not Watts. Exactly. So he's from Vermont. He is a state representative from Oklahoma and he's been on before, so we've talked about

his past a little bit. We don't need to do a deep dive on him, but they talk about the Oklahoma City bombing and this is sort of Charles Key's bread and butter. He's been an Oklahoma City conspiracy theorist since 1995 and here's what they say. This is a really nasty character. This is our call. Well, you know, we can fix these problems in this country. There's so many examples and Oklahoma City bombing cases are very good one to thank God

for Jesse Trinidad and people like him that won't let go and they keep fighting this thing and dig more and more evidence out, but there's more than enough evidence for the people to see that their government is out of control. So this is where we can get a specific because I've heard the name Jesse Trinidadu brought up a bunch through some of the wild goose chases I went on from Alex's, like let's see what he's talking about. Can you say that name one more time? Trentadu?

Trentadu. T-R-E-N-T-A-D-U-E. It's fun to say. All right. That is fun to say. So the fact that Charles Key is bringing him up as like somebody who's been doing the fight for a long time, I decided that I needed to look into him. Somebody who's been Trent and that dude.

Indeed. So we finally have like we're climbing the rock. We got a hold here so we can grab onto it. And this is actually super interesting to me because here's the deal. Jesse Trentadu is a Utah based lawyer whose brother Kenneth Trentadu is probably murdered by the police in Oklahoma City. The official declaration was that it was a suicide, but Jesse believes that evidence shows that the official version of the story is impossible.

From there he's gone on a bit of a mission to get justice for his brother that has led him to become a hero for the militia and patriot community. There's a way to do that without becoming a hero to the militia community. I believe that he went down the wrong road. Yeah. That's a definite crossroads in your life moment. Now here's the thing, Jordan. It very much looks like Jesse Trentadu has a good point.

And killed his brother. Nope. No, no. I think he has a good point that unfortunately leads to a really bad point. After reviewing the evidence, I have very little reason to doubt Jesse's argument that his brother Kenneth was murdered by the police while in custody. They're massive inconsistencies and we all were pretty well versed in the idea of police brutality.

Yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of shocking when cops don't kill people now. The idea that he might have killed himself, I recognize a certain possibility to it. I would say it's much less likely based on the evidence than he was murdered by the police because there are like ligature marks on his, on his arm from the handcuffs that probably wouldn't be there if he hadn't been struggling. And they like, they're wounds to his face that don't seem consistent with him hanging himself in his cell, unless there's some sort of a unreported battery in the prison, like

a fight he got in that isn't on record. So he was killed in prison. Yes. Oh, and I believe. So the cops definitely killed him. I think, look, I would say there's, it's impossible for me to know, like based on the things that I've looked into, but I would be pretty comfortable saying I put it at least like an 85% chance the cops murdered him.

Cops murdered him. I think that there's a good, good chance of that. Now the reason that I think there's a 15% chance that it is true that he killed himself and some of those wounds were from him struggling while he was alive with handcuffs that just have lasted after he, he's dead. He could have gotten beaten in prison and then hung himself. He was a heroin addict and a lifelong criminal and addict. So like the idea that possibly he had gotten to this point and became, became despondent

and hung himself. I think there's a small possibility of it, much more likely based on the evidence that Jesse trying to do his argument is correct. I think he probably did get murdered by the police, which I think is fucked up, but the argument that this has something to do with the Oklahoma city bombing seems to have something to do with the fact that the government was resistant to investigate the death of Kenneth trying to do. The county medical examiner became frustrated that he couldn't get a grand jury together

to look at the death. So he attempted to get the concurrent Oklahoma city bombing grand jury to include it as a piece of their investigation. In reality, they didn't want to get involved with that in their grand jury because it was unrelated. But the perception is that somehow the two crimes were connected and the fact they wouldn't deal with it on that grand jury is evidence that they were trying to shut it down. Now I believe again, it's very important that I make clear where I agree with this guy and

where I don't. I do think that there's probably a cover up of his death. I don't think it's involved with Oklahoma city. That's crazy. It is crazy. So this coroner or no, what was it? It was coroner, right? Medical examiner.

Fine. Medical examiner. Yeah. Was just like, nobody's paying attention to me. So I'm going to just toss this in with the O.K.C. bombing. That's, that's what I gather. Can you do that?

That's what I gathered from an interview with the medical examiner. I really feel like you can't just do that. Nobody would just allow you to do that. And that's why it didn't. And that's why it didn't happen. Right. Now the, the idea. That's a Hail Mary.

If I ever heard one. The idea that the medical examiner was running into resistance when he was trying to get a grand jury together. Is exactly what would happen if the cops killed him. Exactly. Yeah. And it's like, it's fucking awful and I hate it, but it doesn't necessarily, you need to do better than that to prove to me that this is somehow involved with Oklahoma City.

Yeah. You know, and the bombing, just because it happened around the same time, it doesn't necessarily mean to me that they're connected. I have a bit of empathy for this, even though he's a fucking criminal, even though he's someone who got himself back in prison. He didn't fucking deserve that. If that is what happened to him. No.

I still have some empathy about that. And to a certain extent, I have some empathy with Jesse trying to do. Absolutely. Trying to find out the truth and get, get the rights wronged. No, I was right. Again. It's, it's very much like, no, I totally get it. There's a, there's a crossroads.

There's a one path, the other path kind of situation where it's like, either I can become a crusader for good, or I can believe that it's part of the Oklahoma City bombing narrative. Now, beyond all the stuff that I've already mentioned, Jesse Trentedew's argument hinges on some anonymous phone calls that he alleges he's received that have told him that his brother's death was involved with the bombing, including one from Timothy McVeigh himself. What? According to Trentedew. The theory is that the feds confused Kenneth Trentedew with Richard Lee Guffrey, the creator

of the white supremacists and neo-Nazi group, the Aryan Republican Army. Guthrie is the, and his group robbed 22 banks between 1994 and 1996 in order to fund their terrorist activities. He was inspired by the Turner Diaries, just like Timothy McVeigh. He'd spent time at Elohim City, just like Timothy McVeigh. Witnesses have alleged that Guthrie and his members of the Aryan Republican Army use the funds that they stole from those 22 banks to pay for Timothy McVeigh's expenses and putting together his attack.

There are unsubstantiated, but alleged connections between them and associates of Richard Lee Guthrie had been placed at bars that Timothy McVeigh was at in the days prior to the attack. I can see why that didn't become a rote bank robber movie, that Robin Hood bank robber story that we always see over and over again. We're not going to do that one for the white supremacist bank robber story. No. No, I don't think that one's going to be famous. Still pretty crazy to rob 22 banks that show years.

That's a lot of banks. So many banks. How did they not get caught? Well, as I understand, from what I read- That's like Al Capone level of banks whenever they didn't even have cops or what. From what I read, most of it hinged on the fact that they mostly targeted small town Midwestern banks. Yeah.

They had very little security and didn't have, like they had easy getaway points. Yeah. So like banks that would be close to the highway would be prime targets because you get in and get on the interstate. And generally speaking, it's harder to catch you. So could we, could we accept, was it maybe that they got greedy? Like could you and I successfully rob one of those banks? Like as long as we kept it to like two or three, we'd be fine.

It was also 30 years ago. So the technology of like surveillance and stuff like that, right? That's right. Weaker than it is now. The other thing that they would do is they would leave fake explosives around in order to try and cripple the response time. That's smart. That's smart.

I mean, they had the, they had a whole plan together. That's a good plan. So how is this related to Kenneth Trent to do? Two things come up. First, Kenneth allegedly looked a lot like Richard Lee Guthrie. Second, Kenneth had a rap sheet that included robbing banks, which is the reason he was in custody in the first place. He refused to conform to the terms of his probation.

Don't rob anymore banks. That part. He told the state that he wasn't going to stop drinking booze. So there was no reason for him to come in for drug screenings or anything like that. So he just stopped going to probation hearings. Right. Cause he's going to be caught. Well, yeah.

He's like, I'm going to keep drinking. I think it's crazy that you guys say I can't. I'm just a heroin addict. It's fine. I have booze. And so he just stopped going in for piss tests, which was a condition of his parole. He also had in-laws in Mexico that he went to go visit in, right before he was arrested because he was arrested when he tried to re-enter the country, since his probation forbade him

from leaving the country. If the argument just were that there was a drawing of Guthrie out in the world as John Doe number two, and Trentadou looked a lot like him, so the feds killed him, then I think you have a theory that makes sense. I can see that. Yeah. I don't believe it and it's not proven in any way, but there aren't any glaring problems with it.

However, Jesse Trentadou's narrative is far more complicated. He believes that Waco, Ruby, Rage, and Oklahoma City are all part of the federal government's attempt to disrupt Patriot organizations. That's where you get into trouble, man. It's a part of an operation he calls PATCON or the Patriot Conspiracy. Because he involves this as a part of his argument. That actually sounds like something that happens in San Diego once a year. No, it's in the Pacific Northwest, buddy.

It's up in Idaho, for sure. Because he involves this as a part of his argument, everything falls apart. If PATCON is real, which I'm not sure it is, I don't think it is, then the feds would know who they were looking for in John Doe number two. They knew that they would be looking for Richard Lee Guthrie, but probably didn't want the public to know how they knew that. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right.

They would have had surveillance tentacles out there that they didn't want to reveal. Right. So they would be putting out this APB on a person. They knew who they were looking for because of this Patriot Conspiracy Network that they're putting out into the world and just have to shield that from public awareness. But if that's the case, it follows that they would know damn well that Kenneth Trentitou wasn't Richard Lee Guthrie, given the fact that Trentitou was in custody because of the long documented probation violation.

And he had a full rap sheet. And on a very basic level, the fact that Guthrie and him are two different people, they would know that if the rest of Jesse Trentitou's narrative that he has built since going on this crusade is true, it all is self-contradictory. It doesn't work together. It's impossible. So the story is really, really sad. And you can't help but empathize with Jesse.

Here's a man who had his brother most likely murdered by the police. And though he's tried for years to get some modicum of justice, the state has not allowed him closure. It becomes even sadder when you see how he's allowed the pain and grief he feels about this tragedy to be transmuted into a right-wing conspiracy. On another level, it's really sad to recognize all the non-white families that have to go through this exact same pain every day, having their family members killed or wrongly incarcerated, but don't have enough circumstantial evidence or connections to white supremacists and neo-Nazi

groups to get Alex Jones to even care about their plight. I watched an hour-plus-long presentation by Jesse Trentitou, where he laid out all the relevant evidence to his claims, and I think the connection to the OKC bombing is profoundly flimsy. But it's what he needs in order to keep his brother's death relevant, to make it more important than just another inmate senselessly murdered by the police. I would feel a lot of empathy for him if he didn't say this towards the end of his presentation. Quote, you ask me how long I'm going to fight these sons of bitches, till I'm dead.

And what justice will I ever get out of that? Will they ever prosecute anybody for my brother? No. But I can harm the reputation of the Department of Justice. I can harm the reputation of the FBI. I can do great damage to them, and that's my objective. That's the only justice my family will ever get. It seems like Trentitou's primary objective, as he clearly says, is to hurt the FBI and

the Department of Justice. If you were doing that by sticking to the facts about his brother's probable murder, I would support that wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, he's correctly realized that the way he can hurt them the most is to side with the right-wing terrorists to peddle unfounded nonsense. And for that, my empathy for his situation is greatly diminished. And I feel very sad. I wish I could care more, but he's got tricked by these dudes.

That sucks. He's got tricked. That sucks all around. Yep. That sucks for everybody. That sucks. I'm bummed. There's nothing good about that.

No, there's nothing to hang around. There's no hero. Everybody's bad. The serial killer who has a bad childhood, I would empathize with you if you weren't a serial killer. The only person who's conceivably good is the guy who got murdered in prison, and we don't even know that. Yeah.

You assume that he didn't do anything to deserve that sort of treatment. All he was was the town drunk. He was Otis. It may vary. But we don't know what his life was like outside of that. Right. Everything. You know, grieving family members saying he was great.

And maybe he was. I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, everything sucks, man. My conspiracy theory, Kenneth and what's his name? Richard Lee Guffrey. No, no, no. The other brother.

Jesse. Jesse. Kenneth and Jesse were actually twins. Jesse was the one who was accidentally mistaken for Kenneth and put in prison. Interesting. Kenneth is actually Jesse. Kenneth was always a white supremacist, and that's why he tricked Jesse into going to prison for him.

And a great actor. And a great actor. And secretly is actually Kenneth Brannell. And he was caught coming out of the opera house whenever Lincoln was killed. Undoubtedly. Yeah. Man, it sucks. You're right.

I mean, all of that just sucks. I took no pleasure out of learning about this stuff. No, that's a bummer. But I'm fascinated by it. Like, you know, as I was complaining about earlier, I think I went on maybe too long of a rant about it, how dissatisfying it is to chase the ghosts of Alex's imagination. And you find something that's like, oh, there's a specific that you look into it, and it's something like that.

It is the very literal definition of sour grapes. Yeah. It's like, oh man, look at that fruit up there on the branch. Yeah. You go and eat it, and you're like, oh my God, that fruit. Yeah. That's just a tragedy all the way around. Yeah.

Yeah. Because like I said, I can't stress this enough. I think he probably was fucking murdered. He almost certainly was. And that conversation is relevant, you know, like it is. Absolutely. Because you allow the stupid conspiracy stuff to invade that, you muddy the waters of a good argument.

And then there's another piece I didn't even bring into this, that eventually the family did get a payoff from the government. Oh no. And then he kept going. He's still trying to, he ended up winning in civil court. Yeah. Or like a... Because the government, because the cops murdered his brother.

As I understand, self-reporting on his part, he got a payoff not from like the murder, but from like intentional cause of grief. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The process he had to go through or whatever. Right. Right.

And so, like he did get paid off. And I don't think that... That's still a bummer. I don't think it makes it better. I think that there's obviously the best thing that could come out of it is, you know, police reform. Yeah. A payoff isn't any more satisfying than anything else.

That's just like, hey, we're going to keep murdering people, but you get some money because you wouldn't shut up about it. And the people who are involved in the cover-up, you know, like if there was, if it was a murder. Yeah. People who are involved in the cover-up. No consequences. Should be held responsible. You would think.

Now, I don't know if it goes all the way up to Eric Holder. But it said your tax dollars go to, well, it actually was Eric Holder. If it goes all the way up to Eric Holder, I still don't think it involves the bombing. But then there's a different conversation about like, hey, you got to rein in the police forces in this country. You would think. Or at least you need to prosecute them. It almost seems like anyone with guns should have a conversation, should be controlled

in some way. There should be some sort of oversight for any human being that's allowed to have a gun, regardless of whether or not they are in law enforcement. Maybe something to that. Yeah. Could be. Jordan. Yeah.

That's a bit of the heaviness. Now we're out of it. And Alex Jones is going to talk a bunch of dumb bullshit about how there are occultists in the world and they hate Christianity. That sounds right. One of the biggest issues I've noticed is that the occultists, the rose accrues, all these groups, the basic same religion run the atheistic agnostic groups, the humanist groups, and also have infiltrated all the seminaries.

They brag about it in their books, as you men know. Yeah. We're huge fans of them. They're obsessed with discrediting true Christianity. But then... Not hard to do. They're a bunch of occultists. Why do they accept all the other religions except for that?

I don't know. Why did they have one hate true Christianity? What's true Christianity, Dan? I don't know. Just, he's trying to be a victim. But he said you men know. He wasn't talking to the audience. He was talking to his guests.

Yes. There are a couple dudes on New Guests from a group called Cutting Edge Ministries. Nope, not a fan. Already out. They're on because they have a new documentary out called The Eye of the Phoenix, which is about the evils on the dollar bill. That's less fun. I do like the title, The Eye of the Phoenix though.

That's not bad. Their main argument seems to be that the dollar bill represents the mythical phoenix and that the globalists are going to take it down and from its ashes is going to rise world government. You should also know that they have an entire website where they lay out how Harry Potter is evil. It's one of the lamest things I've ever seen in my life. Well, yeah, but I mean, they must be pissed because they came out before Harry Potter, right?

Yeah. So Harry Potter is tossing in phoenixes like it's a good thing and they're like, no, the phoenix is bad. Yeah, that might be some sort of like getting on our turf. Yeah, absolutely. But it's just that boring Christian nonsense of like, this is of the devil. That sort of shit. Yeah, yeah.

No. Did I ever tell you whenever I was like 12 or 13, my church asked me to read the first Harry Potter book so I could determine whether or not it was blasphemous in case other children read it. So they asked you to be the sorting hat of the book. You got it. Yep. Claire, this book.

Slytherin. And no one shall read this book. Burn Slytherin. This is, this book is of Voldemort's house. Perhaps I am wrong. It is he who should not be named. So these guys are wacky. I wanted to like get some quotes from the website, but I was like, I've already read way too

much on this episode. Yeah. Let's let's punt on this stupid bullshit. But that does not stop me from playing this one more clip from cutting edge ministries appearance, where they say something that I think is profoundly stupid about their idea of what's about to happen in the world. But the exciting part of it for us is that, is that this all comes down and they are, they are aiming for the very thing the Bible says will happen.

And that is, that is a Christ figure that will claim to be Jesus Christ and all the world's religions and will take control of a global government, a global economy and a global religion. Well, let me look at what I know about the globe back there are calling for a one role government. I have video of them joining hands with all the other religions. I mean, I mean, they're all pushing for this. Yeah.

And the, the, the Illuminati back in 1991 made a decision that, that the, the Roman Catholic Pope, whomever he was at the time, would become the top religious leader of the new world order. I just, I had to, I kept it to that long and then I had to cut it off cause it just ramblings like, oh, the Illuminati decided in 1991. You should really know which Pope it is you're talking about if that's part of your conspiracy theory. Yeah.

Like you should have that information like on hand. No, no, that's not. Oh, he was saying that whomever, whomever the Pope at any point in time, that point forward, they are now the head of the globalist religion or whatever. Wasn't that still John Paul II? I think so. Yeah. I don't know.

I think it was the, the Pope timeline. So that, that I'm going to punt, but I think it was a good show on USA though, the Pope timeline. Young Pope timeline. Yeah. Have you ever seen that? So good. Oh yeah.

Got canceled. Didn't it? No. The new season of young Pope type line is coming out soon. That confused with young Sheldon timeline. Um, anyway, I just think that that's fun. That's like, all right guys, I love, I love your, your lifestyle. I love it.

You like it? I do. I mean, that's like the good fun conspiracy world, you know, like the Illuminati decided in 1991 that Pope will be the king of all global religions. Why 1991? And also there's weird pictographs on the dollar bill. Is it a palindrome? Is that what it is?

Probably. Yeah. Like that's the sort of stuff that I think that it lives in that conspiracy world that I know that it can be a funnel to more dangerous conspiracy world, but it's fun. It is fun. It lives in this place, like mostly outside of bigotry, I think, although probably not. No, definitely not. It's just more fun.

The idea, it would be more fun if it like, it's like in 1991, the Illuminati decided that no one will ever find Bigfoot. Uh, they, there was a chance. There was a time, but right at 91, they said, they were like, no more Bill Clinton's about to become president. Nobody can find Bigfoot anymore. Bill rules. Clinton hid all the living squatches right down in the Dulce base in New Mexico underground.

Yes, absolutely. Oh, that makes sense. Carrie Cassidy is on the case. She is going to find those hidden squatches. Man, I don't know. God, we should write a detective series based on Carrie Cassidy trying to, yeah, like a Hardy Boyz. Yeah, absolutely.

That'd be perfect. I think, you know, it's interesting. I need to do some research because I don't know if I've ever heard of them. Did she write her own young adult series? I don't doubt it. And sold it. Probably. Yeah.

The Hunger Games. Here's the thing. Yeah, I'm not interested in crypto zoology for the most part, but I'm not sure I've ever heard Carrie talk about squatches. Really? Yeah, I'm not sure. That's a good point. I need to look into, but maybe in passing, she said that there was some sort of alien

race. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. Like, like that sounds like something she'd be like, and the Raptors are fighting the Reptoids and the Pleiadians teamed up with the Sasquatches. The Pleiadians are all obviously in alliance with Squatch. No, no, no. The Squatches are good people.

They're heroes. They're good people. Yeah. I don't know. I got to look through her archives, see if I can find a Squatch. Yeah. I would definitely do a Squatch app. Yeah.

For sure. See if we can get Bobcat Goldfede on. Oh, that'd be great. Or Jason Earl Folks. Jason Earl Folks. Yeah. Tell us about it then. Chicago comedian who's obsessed with Sasquatch.

So Jordan, that brings us to the end of February 26th. Right. Which means now. The day begins. Time for a party. What kind of party? Tea party. Good song.

Thanks. Was that a techno song in the 80s? Yeah. It was from a weird movie. It was a sci-fi movie where they had a maintenance droid that injects you. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

It was basically Independence Day, but it was the Tea Party. The Tea Party. Right. Instead of the July 4th, 1776, it was like, ah, we're going to throw these aliens tea into the ocean. Jordan, there's no way for us to give this the gravitas that it requires because for all of our 2009 episodes now, going on maybe as long as the 2015 investigation, or at least it feels that way, we are now finally at the day of the nationwide Chicago Tea Party.

By the way, not sponsored by nationwide. They are not on your side. No. Well, they're on some people's side if you're white. But it's time. Here's how he starts the show. Okay. Teasing an interview and then saying something really fucked up.

Then we have Jeanine. So it's the Tea Party. So she is a British lady and not the way you should say that. Well, we've had her on, I guess, about six, seven, eight years ago. I want to be clear. She's married to a lord. So when he says married to a lord. He says lady.

He's literally saying she's a lady. Okay. All right. It's not like he's saying that. It's like, lady. That sounded to me exactly like, hey, our next comic coming up to the stage is a lady. You guys are going to love that. And that's why I had to pause it just to be clear.

That's her title. Okay. All right. It's not like, oh, we got a woman. All right. So now I hate her instead of him. Who cares? I first saw her.

I said, who cares? Because it's like, I don't care. You don't need to justify. You don't need to justify. No, I'm like, I was thinking about it. Should I defend her? No. Okay.

With her documentary that aired on PBS, I'd already learned this when I was a child because my dad had friends that were in the international diamond business. What? French South Africans. Oh, what? It was all monopoly. What? Giant warehouse.

Wait, what? Diamonds and the diamonds were semi-precious. I mean, literally worth the same amount as rhinestones, but people will mortgage their houses or two or three years' pay, you know, just to buy their wife or sweetie a big diamond. Yeah. This is a problem. And I halfway didn't believe my dad, but I knew he didn't make stuff up. And then I remember when I was a teenager, I saw her Diamond Empire film.

Now, I didn't know because it wasn't in the news that they went on her yacht, told her you shouldn't have made that movie, Broker Nose, Knocks Over Teeth Out. What? And she's married to a British lord. She's pretty powerful. So there's the married to a lord part. Is it Lord Moncton? No, it's not.

Maybe it is. I didn't know. I can neither confirm nor deny that she's married to Lord Moncton, climate creep. But so Alex's big narrative with her is that people came to her yacht, beat the shit out of her and said, you shouldn't make this movie. Right. He's going to repeat that at least six times during this episode. She is going to explain that that did not happen.

Who knows? I assume. Who knows? He's going to repeat that over and over again. It's the big selling point of like this documentary that she put out is too dangerous. She's a martyr. She lived it, man. Right.

The mafia came to her, roughed her up and said, if you look, if you don't want this to happen again, you're going to do, I don't know why I'm doing so many voices today. You're in a fucking too many voices. Too many voices. I like it though. I like it. It's actually a Zagami who came to her is like, and we're going to sing it. Okay.

All right. Zagami can't go on a yacht. Is that court order? I don't know why I said that. Like she's some sort of nautical vampire. I don't know what the fuck. You have to invite me on to your yachts. I can't.

Why the fuck would I say Zagami can't go on a yacht? He made totally sense. That's it. Is that it? Is that a George Surratt painting? Upstairs. It made total fucking sense. So that's, that's where he's going with it.

I think the most troubling thing to hear is that his dad was friends with South African diamond guys. That's really bad. It kind of suggests work out that timeline. Yeah, exactly. That was apartheid baby. The French South Africans would be white South Africans. Hmm.

So it's almost like the whole family's been white supremacists for a long time and these connections in Texas and these connections with people who are exploiting apartheid South Africa for strip mining the resources. It seems like there are a lot more of them popping up all over the place suspiciously. It's almost like a lot of the proto right wing in the John Burt society folks. Maybe a lot of their funding came from strip mining countries. No, come on, Dan exploitative racial practices. White people would never do that.

We have a long history of not exploiting other. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. So we, like I said, we are now on the day of the tea party and it seems like, you know, on the last episode or I'm sorry, on the 25th, two days prior, Alex had a clearly planted caller who called in to say, Hey, you should check this out. Maybe he's going to be up on it.

Instead what he does is he talks to his survival food guy. Okay, cool. But right now for the balance of this segment, I wanted to get Steve's balance on today because Steve shank has been the storeable foods business for 28 years. I bought a lot of storeable foods over the years and didn't like a lot of the quality of it. And when I bought his food seven years ago, it didn't have any MSG. It was non GMO.

It was the best price I found out there and delivered the quickest just in a few weeks. And so we went out and got him as a sponsor, but I wanted to have him on to track what's happening in the economy. So Alex is having his fucking survival food guy on as a guest to talk about the economy. Yeah, which we already know he has this weird business model where his sponsors have to be guests repeatedly. Yeah. We've had the limerick soap guy repeatedly.

This isn't the first time Steve shank has shown up as a guest talking about things that aren't survival food. So it's super weird. Does he ever say the slogan for his business? I don't know. What? What is the slogan? It's a, we shanked it.

Stick to the impressions, bro. Good point. Minus one. Because here's why. I like it. Oh boy. Back in business. All right.

There we go. I like, I like the attempt. I like where you're going with it, but that would never be a slogan because shanked it would be like a negative thing. Like you shanked it. Oh, Dan. I, you'd never make your survival food thing. We blew it.

What if there you go? Hold on. Hold on. You got to recontextualize it. Okay. The we and the we shanked it is society. Okay. Society.

Oh, okay. Now, now my pun is making a lot more sense. And now, yeah. So society blew it and now you need, you need survival food. So it's a long walk plus one. No. Push. That's what I'm saying.

I gave myself a, I gave myself a minus one. Now you recontextualize it. I get a plus one. We're even. I give myself a negative one for being so harshly critical, but a plus one for nailing it. For helping you walk through. Perfect.

Yes. It's like, it's a push. It's tea party day. He's having his food fucking sponsor on to talk about the economy, which is weird. I'm like, yeah, it's a little early in the show. Food sponsor. Tea. Done.

Does he sell survival tea? Probably. No. Cause those heirlooms seed people probably have some like tea seeds. Yeah. Yeah. That's a different sponsor. But be that as it may.

He's having this. I'm like, maybe later in the show, he'll get to his thoughts about how there's a nationwide uprising going on quite literally on this day. But instead he has Bob Chapman on Bob Chapman shows up and he makes a startling confession. He's a white South African. No, he's already confessed that. Yeah. These are the main things.

And of course, unfortunately for the shareholders, it's been an absolute nosedive and they've just, well, we went short the stock. We bet it was going to go down at $38 a year, $42 a share somewhere up there. I kind of get it mixed up with JPMorgan because we shorted that as well around the same price and that's selling for around 20. But as you pointed out, the city group is down 56 cents today. It's selling for about a buck and a half. And we'll probably cover that short.

We're buying in at somewhere around a dollar, I hope. And the subscribers will have made the difference between say $40 and $1, which is an awful lot of money. So what he is saying is that he predicted that banks were going to lose value in stock. So he short bet them. He bet that they would fall in price and made a bunch of money off of it. Michael Lewis made a movie about it. Now.

Yeah. What is Alex Jones' primary complaint about George Soros? I don't know. He has shorted banks. I don't know what you're talking about. He's the man who broke the Bank of England by short betting against them. No idea what you're talking about. Bob Chapman is coming on the show and saying he did the exact same fucking stuff that they

accused George Soros of being evil for doing. But Bob Chapman isn't a globalist. I understand that. It's part of the fucking stock market. Which is a problem in and of itself. I don't think. Well, I mean, there's bigger problems, but in terms of like if we have the stock market as it exists now, you need people short betting in order to pay the, you know, the price for

people who whoever's wrong pays and whoever's right makes that money. Yeah. But I feel like gambling with pension funds is probably bad. Awful. I don't like it, but I don't think that there's a moral aspect to short betting something if that's the system we live in. I would rather we don't do that. But while it's there, it's not wrong.

Right. You're playing the rules of the game. Although on the other hand, short betting and the other long betting, whatever it is, those both seem like opposite ends of the same insider training exploitative insider insider trading exploitative system. It can be for sure. So it seems like both of those being an option period is a very bad thing. Right.

For crime and fraud. Well, on a super elementary basis, you have a situation where like you see a stock, right, and you can bet that it's going to get better or you can bet that it's going to get worse. Right. You know, like how economies should work. What? Yeah, totally. Is that how?

Totally. Didn't Eddie Murphy make a movie about how evils shoot that? But it's no more wrong to bet against something than it is to bet for it. You betting against it doesn't make it fail. Right. Pete Rose would disagree with you. Well, no, that's different. It would be different if like, let's say the president of city groups, shorted city groups.

That would be fun. Then you'd be like, uh-oh. That's an issue. That's an issue. Yeah. He would get a lifetime ban from the Hall of Fame. For sure. Undoubtedly.

Bankers Hall of Fame. Which exists. We should burn down. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So now here's the most interesting thing. The Bankers Hall of Fame is also in Cooperstown?

Yes. No. The other reason that we've been going back to 2009 is I'm desperately trying to figure out when Alex started talking about George Soros. Yeah. In this appearance, I don't have the clip of it because it's so inconsequential. Bob Chapman brings up George Soros. Oh, no.

Yeah. As a good person, doesn't he? No. He brings him up in reference to Glenn Beck talking about how there's going to be this Bubba uprising, which absolutely did happen with the Tea Party. Yeah. But he's talking about Glenn Beck and George Soros sort of being in concert with each other.

No. He's implying that they're working towards similar goals. All right. But the only reason I don't have a clip of it is like it's two seconds of Bob Chapman saying, blah. Hey, there's George Soros. Bye. And then Alex doesn't respond to it at all.

If I were to play the clip, I would have had to play like four minutes of Alex completely no selling George Soros being brought up. It's not on his radar. It doesn't matter at all to him. He's just like, oh yeah, I believe even when he mourns is like, Beck sucks. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he cares about.

Right. So he stole George Soros. Well, he didn't steal George Soros from Beck. He ignored that Beck might be in concert with George Soros. He wasn't. Well, well, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, if there's anything I know about George Soros is that he's not going to be like, Glenn Beck, you got some good ideas. Let's see what's up with you.

You got the goods. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird, man, because it's the first time his name you've got the goods. Good, good impression. So but it's weird because I was doing an impression of Alan's doing an impression. It's a sequential impression. Exactly.

It's the first time he's come up in this at least month of episodes that we've listened to. Right. It's the closest to, hey, here's Soros, baby. And I don't know if that's, you know, a sign of things to come. Someone who, again, Alex in present day said he has been watching since 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's interesting. Maybe the reveal is close at hand. I don't know. But I don't know. It's interesting to hear his name come up and Alex be like, I already have a fuck. In the same way that earlier in the episode, that caller brought up the tea party and he did clearly had no awareness of like how much that would change his life. Right.

For sure. Shortly after, he has the same response to Bob Chapman bringing up Soros. Yeah. It's interesting. So now Alex earlier was talking about how his dad is friends with South African diamond people. Right. Which means he's a great guy.

And now he's talking to someone who literally made his career off stealing gold from South Africa. Another great guy. He's believed in fucking Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. You know what the biggest problem is? White farmers. They're not doing well. People want to take their land away, Dan.

Bob Chapman is low key, maybe the worst person who's ever been on it. Yeah. For real. Like low. For real. He flies under the radar because of the Reagan butt fucking stuff and how he has that like all shucks he voiced the same way Ron Paul does. Yeah.

The two of them have this unassuming character to them. But like you look into their careers and you see like, oh no. The amount of damage. Yeah. You guys might have been like on the ground floor involved in monstrous shit. Yeah. I could say that anybody who's deeply involved in business and lived in Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa then fled when equity was starting to come around and then got out of South African

gold probably because of that. Yeah. I think that like, you know, on some level that you were really raping the people. And so that's why I think that Bob Chapman has fucking brass balls to say this when Alex Jones brings back up South African diamond people. It's another example of a total. They're made of diamonds. Total cartel.

Absolutely. There's enough diamonds in the world to bury it. I mean, intrinsically they have little or no value and that value has been created by De Beers and others, but particularly De Beers, which is controlled indirectly by the royal family. And they're the ones who financed all of the projects in South Africa and they're the ones that used Madison have tactics, especially during the after the turn of the 21st century. These guys were raping differently than me.

That's no good. I mean, look, the more expensive diamonds, the less people are paying attention to gold. They were fucking me over right De Beers also owned by the royal family. Did he even mention which royal family like the Danish royalty? That actually sounds right. They, they fucked around with people for a while. The Dutch. They went crazy.

Dutch is what I meant to say when I said Danish. Yeah. That's probably true. Yeah. Much more like that. Dutch is in the running. Yeah. Oh yeah.

They're in conversation. Oh yeah. But I mean, it's always fun to see just a like a South African apartheid opportunist critiquing another one. And they didn't do it good enough. But the argument that they're making is absolutely true in as much as like artificial scarcity is what drove diamond prices and has for a very long time, they would not be as expensive as they are if the supply that actually existed were all made public.

And of course the amazing ad campaign, that whole concept of two month salary or whatever it is. Every kiss begins with cake. What are you talking about? Why is that a tradition? Did it exist before 1965? No. You went to Jared.

Did he go to Jared? I don't know. These are just the diamond commercials I run for my childhood. So what are the, what did diamonds do? They're shiny. No, I mean they're great. They're shiny. Right.

Like a diamond. No, they're like great. They inspire Rihanna songs. They're really great. Like diamond tip saws, they're incredible. Certainly. Shouldn't we use them for saws? I think they do exist in a lot.

I mean, they definitely have utility in them. Shouldn't we use them for the movie franchise saws? No. That should go the way of Rhodesia. Disappeared. Too many saw movies. Yeah. I mean, I know there are like actual functional uses for diamonds.

Yeah. They're great. The hardest material and shit. In terms of, yeah, like the, like, they're bright, shine, whatever, for wins, who cares. People have those. But it's crazy. It's crazy to think that humans came from monkeys that were so shocked by shiny things. Come on, Dan.

I would say that the best thing that has ever come out of diamonds. What? Two things. One, the song Grills by Paul Wall, Nelly. Nope. Not going well. This isn't going to happen. I can't remember who else is on that song.

You're dangerously close to a minus one, Dan. My second thing that diamonds have brought us. Okay. The song bling bling by BG featuring Lil Wayne. All right. Manny Fresh. This one's better. Baby.

This one's better. Actually, the remix is better. By virtue of having Lil Wayne on it, it's better than your previous. The bling bling remix is much better than the original. All right. The original is kind of a snooze. I'm not sure if that's true, but I'm fine. They just started out, man.

I think it was Manny Fresh's lyric, his verse, where he talks about how they... It's a really bad name. They put rims on a helicopter. I thought that was really funny. I love Manny Fresh. Fresh. He's the best. He is the best of that sort of world of that New Orleans hip hop producers.

Yeah. Manny Fresh's sound is just so fucking good. It bangs and has like a really symphonic quality to it. He's very, very good. I'm never less than shocked that you know so much about a guy like Manny Fresh and yet you could not name a J. Dilla track. Not one. It's astonishing to me.

You know what it is? It's compartmentalization. What is it? It's compartmentalization. Yeah. There's like a... I was super into one thing at one time in my life and I learned everything I could about that thing and then I started to like like other things and I found everything I could

about that thing. Right. Like in terms of pop culture. And J. Dilla is one of those artists who like I've loved every time anybody's played anything of his work for me but I don't give a shit which I feel bad about because I know he's very talented. You can't feel bad about something that is not your... It's not your fault.

It's not like... I should like it more. No. That doesn't make any sense. I don't accept that argument. I should like something more that's relatively inconsequential? If I had him up in a bracket against Manny Fresh. No.

Of course. Fresh is going over. Yeah. No. There's no doubt. You would definitely do that. Oh my God. Incorrectly but you would do it.

Yeah. I respect that. God damn it. Real Big is such a good song. House Real Big. Dick Real Big. That was actually the first song from a Real Big Fishes album. He has a lyric?

That's your... That's your ska. That's your 90s hip hop. Put them together. He has a lyric in that song. Push that button. Microwave Oven. No idea what that means.

Love it. Push the button. No. Well that was before they had the express option on most microwaves. So you'd have to push like one and then zero zero to get a minute. Like you can just press one and get a minute back then. No. I think he's talking about how in his car he has a button he presses and a microwave

oven pops out. That's how I imagine it. That doesn't sound right at all. He also produced all the good stuff from Young Jeezy. That's not... Young Jeezy's good work. That's not... That's solid work then.

Especially the production of it. Yeah, absolutely. And not to say that Young Jeezy's a bad rapper or anything, but that like... I love it. That was Manny Fresh production. Okay. He's a great producer. All right.

Anyway, let's stop talking about Manny Fresh. He don't know how we can. God damn, the big time was so good. Stop it! One of the great things about... No! The big timers. They pretended that all of their albums were sequels to each other.

Right. So like, they would have albums like, I got that work part one and then I got that work part two. That doesn't sound right. They were sequels to each other at all. Like Brock Hampton. They have Brock Hampton one, Brock Hampton two, Brock Hampton three. They did it first.

I'm fine with that. I don't need this. I don't need this. I don't even know if I need this conversation. Manny Fresh was so better than baby terms of the big timers. Anyway, let's move on. All right. Earlier in the episode, Alex was teasing that he's going to have this Jeanine, what

is her last name? Roberts. Jeanine Roberts is going to be on Talk About Her Diamond Shit documentary and like we've already talked about, the idea that there is artificial scarcity is absolutely true and it is a corrupt market. Question. Does she have at least six teeth made out of diamonds because she had her teeth knocked out?

Well, so of course, the only logical thing for her to do then would be to get a diamond grill. Rob the Julie Store tell them make me a grill. I don't know much about Jeanine Roberts, but I'm guessing that she would cause a cold front if she takes a deep breath. So much ice on her teeth. I got one. I call Penny Candy.

You know what that means? How dare you? Jelly and beans. My big mama hate it, but my little mama love it. Is this show about Alex Jones? Sometimes I wonder. I think today it's about you doing impressions and me getting a lot of rap shit out and I don't know why.

I don't know either. I don't know why you're doing impressions. I don't know why. I don't know why I'm talking. I don't normally do impressions. I don't know why I'm talking about all my rap stuff, but I love it by Young Jeezy. Yes. Produced by Manny Freshman.

So she is talking somehow at the end of that you get a plus one. I don't know why. I don't know why. So I don't care to listen to too much of her interview because I sort of implicitly agree with a lot of the stuff that she's saying. The idea that this is a corrupt business that is mostly using artificial scarcity to rise up the prices of this thing in order to quarter markets. Because diamonds aren't available in every part of the world, same with oil for sure.

And Alex doesn't make that connection at all, which is weird. The only thing I want to bring up is that, like I said, he's over the course of this episode at least five or six times, he's talked about how she got beat up. And then the people who are beating her up said, hey, don't bring this documentary out. And so now he asks her about that in the documentary or in her interview. And it's not good. Here we go. Now specifically going from memory here, didn't the gang, while they were pounding you tell

you did not make the, you know, not release the film. I don't like that. No, they used personal insults. So they used personal insults. They insulted me. Oh. So she goes on to say that lawyers came to her when she was in the hospital and tried to get her to sign over the rights to her documentary.

But she in no way connects the beating to the people who came and talked to her. The lawyers for the production company, the BBC, who came. That is a coincidence, probably. She's just got her ass kicked. Alex is, well, it appears that it's a mugging. It appears that it's like, you remember when Kim Kardashian got robbed? No. What?

Something like that. I don't know anything about them. It was a couple of years ago. I don't, I don't remember all the details. I don't want to get into it, but like it's something like that. You know, people who are like, she's married to a Lord. That happens sometimes that hooligans break in and trying to get your teammates metaphorically. Okay.

Some people would make that argument. Alex would. He's the fucking God. I'll tell you that right now. Fuck you. You like his new shit? Like coming out and let's, let's not, let's not go crazy. Trump loves black people.

Hey, you know what? You can divorce the, like, look, some people still like Roman Polanski films and all Kanye did was say that slavery was a choice. It's better. Apologized. Yeah. Who gives a shit? He's no many fresh.

Who gives a shit? What he says. And then what he apologizes for. Who gives a shit? Well, I'm bummed out that is most reasoned, uh, what the EP technically called it an album, but it had a couple of tracks that were great and then the rest of it was just not up to snuff. Well, I think the more important thing is that you should recognize that he's using

the exact same Alex Jones tricks in order to gin up popularity and publicity for, um, his projects that he puts out in the same way that Alex Jones does, like sensational bullshit in order to get you to buy his supplements. Kanye is doing that. Like the slavery comment that he made is horribly offensive, but he did that because everyone would talk about it. Yeah. Now I'm coming.

Yeah. He does this sort of shit all the fucking time. Who cares? Yeah. Man, he fresh would never do something like that. I bet he would. No, he wouldn't. Yeah, I bet he would.

Artist. So we're done. Had he made my beautiful dark choices fantasy? Better. How dare you? He did. How dare you, sir? He did, uh, uh, he's never done anything that even compares to runaway.

It's bullshit. And that's not, it's an amazing song. I think runaway is the pinnacle of Kanye and I know that's a crazy thing to say. I know I'm wrong, but I stand by it. I don't know. Okay. That's fine. That's fine.

We're not going to get to this. The kids say that we're not going to solve this tonight. As the kids say, don't at me. Uh, we've lost our minds. Yeah. What is that song? Shine? No, that's not shine.

It's that song, uh, to my escalator, boys, I'm not afraid. Should I just go? Should I just wait in the other room until you're done with this? We got one more minute. Full last call. Too bad. Broad screaming. I call.

I don't remember what song that is, but it's the best. That's the best big time or song of all time. One thing that I love about your, uh, your, uh, hip hop fandom is how complex and interesting the lyric structure that you always throw out is. That's good stuff. You, you, you stick with the, the soggy bottom. No, no. Oh, no, no, no, nevermind.

I'll pass. Pass. I'm out. Bring a brother. No, no, no, no. I'm out. All right. Nevermind.

Let's get through this. So, uh, we have one more clip from, um, from a tea party day. Yeah. And I'll say it doesn't bring up tea party once, not once, not once. Seems like if, if it was in 40 cities nationwide, zero times, and it was almost like the mainstream media in America, really not talking at all about how there's a prison strike going on currently. Strange.

Yeah. It's almost the same way. Alex is kind of giving a ignoring it. It should be something he covers and he doesn't. He's even been like warned, warned. He's been brought, like it's brought up on his show a couple of days before. Yeah. Doesn't do any coverage of it.

Doesn't bring it up once, but he does have someone by the name of Barbara Lowe Fisher on the show. Now, she is a very relevant, and what I mean, relevant, I mean, like in that world. She's a, she's the heiress to the Fisher Price Foundation, right? Incorrect. No. Okay. She's not like toys.

Okay. She does have a concern about something that involves children and that is vaccination. She's a very big anti-vaxxer. This is still in 2009, right? Oh yeah. Alex was always on that anti-vaxx tip though. Man, you guys got to stop that. He's always, he's like from the jump.

He came out the womb anti-vaxx. I really don't think that's a good idea. It's not good. So, somebody give him smallpox. I mean it. Just a little bit of smallpox. What about mousepox? Can't give him mousepox.

Cowpox. Can give him cowpox. That's true. You're right, actually. Medically speaking, you are. I know. I probably knew that. So, I don't care.

That's a lucky guess. Fuck you. I don't care to talk about her interview too much because it's the same standard anti-vaxx nonsense. Yeah. I just want to play this clip because it's so disqualifying. Like the fact that she's making this argument, she's coming onto Alex's show to talk about anti-vaxxer nation stuff and the fact that this is a piece of her narrative means that

she doesn't know anything. Vaccines are made out of bees. If the vaccines are as effective as the companies said they are and the government has said they are, then you should have them vaccinated, should have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated and there shouldn't be such an issue about forcing people to get vaccinated if they don't want to. That doesn't track at all. No.

That doesn't track even the slightest bit. It's such an indication that she has no fucking idea what she's talking about. Now, to anybody who hasn't heard the times we've broken this down a hundred times before, there are people who can't be vaccinated. For example, pregnant women can't get vaccines or people who just their bodies reject the vaccines. It's not a perfect science and there's a lot of people who are at risk. There is a very real possibility of bringing polio back into the mainstream conversation.

It's possible. The vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. If we lived in a world where everybody could get vaccinated who wanted to, perhaps you're correct. Perhaps that is correct. That's why it's an appealing argument to people who don't understand the details of it. It's crazy to me. It's crazy.

If you are an anti-vax person, you can't make this argument because you look like a fucking idiot. It means that you don't know the basic science behind the vaccines. If there's one thing I know about viruses, it's that they never change or adapt to any kind of treatment. No. That's something that everybody has known about viruses from the very beginning, that as long as we got one, we're done.

That's the old viral slogan. One and done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Remember when FDR had polio?

Sure. That's the end of that sentence. Okay. Well, we're now done with the Tea Party Day. Yeah. Didn't bring it up. No. And so when I was listening to that, I was like, that's pretty fucked up.

He spent the entire day that the Tea Party was happening when he was, I mean, that's Friday. He's on there for four hours. Yeah. He could have done it at any point. Should have known. Instead, he just brings in Steve Shank to talk about the economy when he sells weird freeze-dried food. You got Shanked.

He brings in Bob Chapman to talk about shorting stocks. Get them chapped lips out. He brings in this Diamond Janine Roberts lady to talk about, again, she has some fine points, but all he really wants to talk about is how she got beat up and told not to make the film, which she in the interview says, nah, it didn't happen. Do you know who she's married to? Lord Diamond Dallas Page. Her last name is Roberts.

God damn it. You should have said Lord Jake the Snake Roberts. Come on. No, because you started with this Diamond Lady. God damn it. Diamond Dallas Page was out at All In last night. Really? Recording this.

Yeah. I have no idea what that means. Here in Chicago, there was a big independent pro-wrestling event. It's very important to the world of wrestling. Sure. It's the first. Wait, he was in Chicago? Yeah.

He's got to be like 50. Yeah. But he's doing great. He's now the master of Diamond Dallas Page yoga, DDP yoga. He saved a bunch of wrestlers' lives by getting them sober and into yoga. He's awesome. Diamond Dallas Page is the coolest. That's actually great.

Yeah. He is. I don't know. Is there a downside to that? I feel like he's great. If anyone who's listening to this hasn't done this, I recommend everybody. Just Google TV. No one has done this.

Go on. We have a lot of wrestling fans. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. But if you haven't, and you want to get inspired, Google, not Google, go on YouTube and look up DDP Yoga.

There's a number of like profoundly inspirational stories of people who have like severe injuries or they were super overweight, but they love Diamond Dallas Page, so they decided to try his yoga and then they lose so much weight, get mobility back. It's crazy how like he's helping people. That's fantastic. And then also the... And there's no cult element involved with it? I don't think so.

I think he's pretty chill about it. Do not search DDP yoga. No, don't do that. Add the D. DDP yoga. Also Scott Hall. Also don't add the D in that. All right. Never mind.

Scott Hall is one of the best pro wrestling minds of all time. He was a member with Kevin Nash. He was the outsiders. The two of them were like, they revolutionized wrestling. Sure. They were WWF guys and then they went over to the WCW and in doing so, pretended that they were invading the WCW. Right.

And then... Well, the World Wildlife Federation has always wanted to do that. This is before the lawsuit. So but the storyline of them coming in as outsiders who came into like wreak havoc, the whole time they were like, we got a third guy who's on the inside. And then it was revealed to be Hulk Hogan and it became the NWO. Right. Yeah, of course.

It was one of the biggest like coolest things in wrestling in the 90s. And yeah, I recall Hulk doing stuff. So Scott Hall afterwards, like much later in his life, got fucking strung out on everything and a horrible alcoholic on the brink of death. Yeah. Like you can watch some matches that he did in independent circuits where he just was like wobbling on his feet. It's embarrassing that they let him do this.

Right. Did somebody jump off the top rope and then he grabbed his brown bag and like looked at it and then tossed it into the garbage can? Might as well. But it's so much sadder. Like he was going to die. Yeah. And then the D.P. came in, got him some yoga, got like he was unable to get sober through

like all of his life. And now he's pretty healthy dude. Really? He brought him back from the brink of death. And there's other guys. Jake, the snake's another one who does do yoga. It's awesome. I don't know if it's awesome, but the stories are amazing.

Yeah. Now, the only reason this all has come up is because all in the last night, this is biggest independent wrestling thing. They sold out the Sears Center. Like it's crazy. No shit. Wow. That's a big deal.

In 20 minutes. Jesus. No independent wrestling thing has ever done something that huge. So it's... I'm going to have to try yoga. The only reason that DDP is involved at all is that because he was part of the entourage. Cody Rhodes, he was in a match for the NWA championship. And Cody brought DDP, Glacier, I can't remember who the other guy was.

It's his entourage. And in the middle of the match, DDP gave someone a diamond cutter. Of course. It was awesome. If DDP shows up, he's going to give a diamond cutter. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw that GIF and I loved it. Oh, Tommy Dreamer was the other guy in his entourage, ECW standout Tommy Dreamer. Let's stop this.

Great work. Oh, man. You know what, last time when you went on the rolling tangent, you got a plus one. This time you get a negative one. God damn it. We're back at even. Yeah, but all in gets a plus one for achieving something. Anyway.

DDP gets a plus one. Yeah. That diamond cutter. Smooth. Smooth. Even now as a 50 year old man. Anyway, I thought to myself, after listening to the 27th, I thought to myself like, well, maybe Alex didn't realize the importance of this and only would know in hindsight.

Right. You know, like, so that was on Friday. Maybe his Sunday show is going to be like, holy shit. I didn't realize people were going to turn out in 40 cities and this is going to be, you know, like maybe there's going to be like a, I'm going to pretend I was on board even though like, yeah, I was busy on Friday. No, I remember Fox News had like round the clock coverage of people being on there. They had people remotely.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Seen hiding the fact that there were like four guys there. Yeah. They put a camera with a zero focus on the four guys. And so I was like, I got to at least check in on the first and boy, I'll tell you what, not a whole lot. Alex admits that he has a land from a Mexican land grant.

I don't know what to feel about that. I don't know how that works. I don't know if that's bad or weird. I don't know. I tried. So I reflexively don't like it and I don't understand it. Exactly. Yeah.

That's exactly how I tried to look into it and I still don't know. Yeah. I still don't know how I feel. Now beyond that, Alex says that back in the day, presidents would leave after eight years and go back to their farms. But Obama's not going to do that. As we look at it from 2018, it seems like he's metaphorically gone back to his farm. He doesn't have a farm, so he can't really do that.

The last one who did was Carter. And he didn't even go back to his peanut farm. He went to help other people build their own farms. He disinvested himself from his peanut farm, which literally was peanuts, compared to the what Donald Trump is doing. But what Alex is sort of metaphorically saying is that when his term is up, he's not going anywhere. No.

He loves being in power. He's going to be the commander in exile. Perpetuity. Yeah. And he went away. Yeah. And the metaphor there is real rough when we consider what Trump is going to have after he gets out of office.

There's no way he ever gets out of office. It's amazing that it's amazing how quickly he's going to lose all of his money. Like the only thing he has right now is access and influence. Because everybody hates him. Because he's the president. Yeah. Because everybody hates him. Like the moment that he doesn't have access and influence, no one is going to give a shit

about him. Yeah. It could be like real devastating. Yeah. He has to stay the president, otherwise he's going to go broke. Oh, my God. It's almost like how dictators happen. It's crazy.

Anyway, I was like, dude, are you going to talk about this? Right. And so he starts taking callers. I'm like, maybe one of the callers is going to bring it up. Got it. When you talk to folks up there in the military, are they waking up? Oh, yeah. I've got one guy that sits there and fights me on, you know, the difference between creation

and evolution. It's all evolution. Oh, really? No. So, the only thing I've been able to say is, you know, to my mind, he's always been talking to me about this and everything that they've always shown is always been false. But yet when he says, you watch his shows, he has nothing to say. I even asked him the other night, like, what do you think about this stuff?

I don't know. He says, you know, you're just sitting here, you're showing them their own documents, like you always preach their own documents. Exactly so. Like civilian inmate labour camp program, Army .mill, secret FEMA camps built. Second hour straight ahead after the news and important announcements. Stay with us. So I mean, like, okay, he's taking a call and this guy's like, I got some friends who

don't fucking believe you, even though you put up all the documents, you prove everything, which Alex doesn't. That's just what he says. And his listeners repeat it. Yeah. And then he brings up the civilian labour camp stuff and like, man, that is real, but that's more about the private prison industry. Like that one.

That's more. No, no, no. That's about that. That's about the entire prison industry. Like that's a big issue. How is it that the constitutional amendment that was like, no slavery was like, no slavery, but like, if you put people in jail, you get some slavery, which you put a charge on them now they're slaves, which definitely doesn't kind of, that kind of makes you, there's like

an incentive to put people in prison who may or shouldn't be in prison like that. So that is real, you know, like that part's real. No, that's a huge issue immediately brings up the FEMA camps, which isn't real. And then he says they admit that there's already Americans in those FEMA camps. Right. And that's even further. Not real. Right.

So he's responding to this guy being like, Hey, I try and get my friend to love your shit. Even though you prove everything and Alex brings up one thing, kernel of truth, two lies, two lies and a truth, like a party game. Still no mention of the tea party. Also if your friend sees an Alex Jones video and goes, I have no idea what he's talking about. That is not because he disagrees or it's more like, it's more like, what?

Yeah. Huh? Wait, wait, what? I mean, that doesn't make sense. I've studied this asshole for two years and I still have that response. Yeah, there's plenty of times where we're like, wait, I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah.

He's very confusing. Yeah. Probably intentionally so. I would assume so. And so we have, or he's a paranoid schizophrenic. So we have one last clip, although before it, I want to say that Alex also on this episode says that in the last year, he's gotten 10 billion visits to his website and 170 individual people, IP addresses coming to his website, which is too high.

So in a year, 170 people from this, from IP addresses that are 170 unique user IDs showed up on his website 10 billion times, 10 billion hits. So on a daily basis, boy, if you, if you do that math in your head, I'm going to be impressed. But I also think that all of its bullshit, it doesn't really matter. I mean, 10 billion in a year isn't crazy for like really large websites, but that's because like the top 100 websites, if you look at them are all places that have aggregates, like places like IMDB or Google or Facebook or Twitter, like all of those places, those are places that have like hundreds of billions.

Yeah. Yeah. So 10 billion hits is absurd. Yeah. But it would put him. That puts us at each individual person giving something like 1 billion or no, no, 100 million hits per day. No, no, no, no, 170 million individuals.

Oh, I thought you said he had 170 individual. I know. I was, I was losing my mind. Oh, no. What? I thought it was 170 guys doing it. No. Okay.

Wow. That makes way more sense. Now listen, because that's one dude doing a lot of clicks. I've got the population of a thinly packed bar in Chicago. That's my fan base. 10 billion. Okay. All right.

170 million. Okay. Okay. That's, that makes way more sense. The math works out a little better. Yeah. A tiny bit. Yeah.

170 million also is ludicrous in terms of you consider the population of the United States is like, what, 300 something million. Yeah. About that. That would essentially be spread out around the world, half of the population of the United States. Yeah. And I cry dirty pool.

I say absolutely no way. There's no way. All right. But I was like, still that has nothing to do with the tea party. I need something to be about the tea party. Yeah. It's another caller. Like maybe there's something about the tea party.

You know, I thought you were a crook about two years ago and now you've run me over completely. Shouldn't have. I have to ask you one question. What is the underlying foundation for how you become so adroit? So yeah. Yeah. You know, I, that's one thing I don't understand. Why are you so, uh, history, history, sir.

The, I'm sure you've heard the cliche that the more things change, the more they stay the same or that those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it or Lord act in power tends to corrupt power crops have, uh, absolutely, but I happened when I was about 12, 13, 14 to start reading history books because they were much more entertaining than science fiction or Louis Lamor. Wait, you live in Texas. You should love Louis Lamor. Also, I thought you were six, but like, come on, man, that's like, that's pathetic.

He goes on a really long diet tribe after that about how great he is and how smart he is. Yeah, of course. So no, he doesn't bring it up at all. Doesn't bring up the tea party at all on this Sunday episode. He's not on board. That caller might have had the order reversed. Like you shouldn't be 100% on a guy's side before you ask, how do you know all this shit?

Well, no, like, shouldn't your first question be like, why do you, why do you know all this shit and then be on his side instead of like working backwards? You're missing, you're missing what that guy was, I mean, he was trying to just hero worship. Right. It wasn't like, how does, how did this happen? There wasn't that. It was like, why are you so smart? That was still, even if you're trying to worship somebody, it was, it was, it was like a peon

coming to feel tea to their Lord, more or less. And Alex was more than happy to oblige with his standard. I studied things once I was 12. Yeah. All right, dude. Have you ever read history? 100 times just in the episode, we've gone over like, I know that this is like, he's had a hundred that we've covered in this episode, but like, he's been wrong so much

over and over again. And most of the time it's based on his lack of reading comprehension. Right. Like that is what is the problem. Well, last year he had 10 billion things he was wrong about in only 365 days. I don't doubt that at all. That's crazy. Based on that.

Yeah. What would that be? Now I'm mad. I mean, it depends on how, like, how fine tuned you want to get about what is wrong. Because every time he's wrong, there's probably like three reasons he's wrong. Yeah, that's a good point. It becomes a fractal. That's a good point.

A fractal of wrongness. It's the golden number is what it is. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So Jordan, this brings us to the end of this investigation of 2009. I'm fucking glad we finally got through this because boy, I'll tell you what, we put it off a bit and I feel bad that our listeners have kept teasing it and what have you.

But I'm glad that we finally got to the Tea Party. Now the new adventure... What do you mean we finally got to it? He hasn't even addressed it yet. I'm talking about the literal date. Oh, okay. We've gotten to the date of the Tea Party breaking up. Right.

Now the new adventure becomes how long does it take him... For him to catch it on board. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How long does it take him to realize that Glenn Beck is making a bunch of money off this? Yeah. And I'm like, I got to usurp that. Right.

And then secondarily, how long does it take him to realize that Bob Chapman brought up Soros on this episode? Yeah. Does that lead to him soon from now bringing up Soros or all of our narratives that we're trying to figure out all in play now that the Tea Party has happened? I have no faith that that's the case, but I'm curious. You know, what's fascinating about this, like going this far back with this relatively nebulous of a goal here, like we have a concrete...

It's not nebulous. No, no, no, no. I mean... I agree, but I disagree. No, I mean, the concrete narrative is when does he jump on the Tea Party? Right. The nebulous investigation is when does he jump on the Soros tip? But that could also be pretty concrete.

It could be, but we don't know when it's going to be. So say he doesn't jump on Soros until 2011. Are we going to do a 2009 to 2011 investigation? I'm perfectly happy to. I know you are, and that's concerning to me. But I also think it's going to be much sooner than that. No, I like it when you go outside, Dan, and it seems like that's a... I like the outdoors, but look, I love camping, Herald's camping, I do stay preacher.

Hate camping. Yeah. I've tried to get you to go camping. I mean, I didn't go, but I suggested that we should, I'll teach you to fish. I won't even eat it. I'll just catch it. I will eat it. I'll catch you some fish.

I've been out there. I know how to throw a stick. I feel like this is a weird level of our relationship that I don't know. Now, listen, if it takes that long, it takes that long, but I honestly don't think it will. Because 2009 round about where we are is a pretty serious flash point for George Soros becoming an enemy of Putin. Right. In the same way in 2014, it was another flash point.

Those are two pretty seriously demarcated times when Soros was meddling, as they would put it, in Russian affairs by trying to give support to free speech movements in those states that used to be part of the social block. When he was like, you shouldn't kill journalists on your birthday. In 2014, it revolved largely around Ukraine, but before that, it involved a number of other So the theory that it could happen, I think there's zero chance that it doesn't happen pretty soon. Yeah.

You think so? I do. I do. And maybe I'm being pushed in that direction by the idea that Bob is bringing it up, because I think Bob is also beholden to the same propaganda sources that Alex has. So the fact that he's bringing it up leads me to believe that it's going to trickle down hill to Alex pretty quick. I would be interested to know when, because based on the way that the Tea Party thing

is gone, it seems like he's a bandwagoner who insists that he's been there the whole time. Big time. He's a poser. So I would be interested to know when the bandwagon got on the Soros tip. You know what I'm saying? I believe that Glenn Beck did an embarrassing report about him. I think it was in early 2010.

Okay. But I think that Alex, I have to... I really don't think that he was on it first. Yeah. It might not be the case, but I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I mean, I love that we have mysteries in front of us.

I think that like we all kind of hoped that we'd get to the Tea Party day and we'd see like actionable... Actionable results. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I honestly think this is better.

The fact that he had no interest in it. Right. It was just nope. Because I think it might take him a little bit longer to get on board with this. I think it might take him even like weeks or months. Well, because ostensibly, he's still at this point trying to posture as a libertarian. Right. And so the Tea Party movement while pretending to be libertarian is essentially purely Republican

white race. But he doesn't know that. No. Well, I think anybody who saw it knew it. I don't think he knows that. Okay. I think what it's going to take is he's going to get, and I've been wrong a bunch of times. But I think my...

I haven't. My prediction on the ground right now is that he starts to notice that Ron Paul is pretty Tea Party adjacent. Okay. And he starts to see people gaining traction from it. And he starts to see a lot of his like worldview getting popular. And he's like, I'm not making money on this. There's money on the table.

I should already be this. And then he retcons it to say he was there from the jump. So you think Ron Paul is an ARPES dispenser? A Ron Paul of the Elders of Zion? You fucking lost me. No, never mind. I'm out. What?

I tried. I tried to condense it into a... Never mind. All right. Let's let that one go. But I will agree with you, even though I don't understand what you're saying. That's fine. Anyway, we'll see what happens in the future.

But I'm glad we're through this leg of the woods. This has been fun. We have a website. It's called KnowledgeWrite.com. Do we? We do. Oh, shit. Yep.

Do we have a Facebook? We have a Facebook. Do we have a Facebook group? We do. It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. We're also on Twitter. Are we? Yep.

It's AdNol... Right? And then you can probably find us on iTunes or... I tried to get us on Stitcher, but it's too complicated. I'm confused by the directions. And also, I've heard a bunch of reports from people who've tried to use Stitcher that it's not very helpful for podcasters. So I don't know if that's true, but I've heard that feedback and maybe I'm against getting

on it. And also, in any situation, we are not proactive towards expanding our listener base. Also, we can't get on certain things. Like we legit can't. Like there are a couple... Well, we definitely can't get on the StormPodcast website. No, no, no, no. No, that's not going to happen.

The distribution networks for podcasts that we can't get on because they would absolutely flag us for copyrighted content. Yeah? Like this is fair use that we're just using Alex's clips and stuff like that. But whenever he plays the tracks and that kind of stuff... Yeah, the music and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point.

We would end up running a fowl of Apple Music or something like that. That seems unfair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not our fault. We didn't do it. Yep. I know. Go after him.

That's what they should do, but he probably has a contract. Yeah, I'm sure. But anyway, Jordan, this has been fun going through 2009 with you, but there's one thing that we should not forget. And that is that even back then, he knows something, and that is that he probably killed a dude. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.