Knowledge Fight - #209: Drunk Hotel Interview

Episode Date: September 24, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a recent interview Alex Jones recently engaged in that is, quite frankly, tragic. Between his rambling pronouncements that everyone is to blame for his position in life but himself, his implications that he is waiting for death, his willingness to endanger his family, and his legitimately deranged answers to a word-association game, this glimpse into Alex's mental state walks a razor's edge between hilarious and profoundly sad.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are, Dan.

This character named Alex Jones who walks among us. Is that who we're talking about? Like a mythical figure. Like a Paul Bunyan. A Paul Bunyan? Alex Jones, a man of folklore. I was going to call him a Nephilim. Legends will live on of the man they called Alex Emmerich Jones.

Long after he's dead, people will sit around campfires. Telling tall tales. It'll be like Homeric tradition. Yeah. Just telling the sing-muse of the rage of Alex Jones. Yeah, so we talk about him in advance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How are you doing?

Uh, I'm doing all right. We're recording this over the weekend. You are in the middle of your shows over at Zany's. I hope they're all going well. Uh, yeah, they, they all went well except for the late one last night, uh, which was... Late show Friday, buddy. Late show Friday, man.

Whoo! Nelly. They fucking went all out on that. It was like a large group of people got together and decided to tolerate something simultaneously. It was, it was a delightful, delightful, uh, stand-up experience. That's all too often the case at late shows. You know, people a little too drunk and a little too confused.

Yeah. Um, I mentioned that specifically for one reason and that is because there's a lot of stuff going on this weekend. This episode's coming out on Monday and unfortunately we're not going to be able to cover a ton of things in Alex Jones world for this episode, but hopefully once time has passed we'll be able to cover that. First is that in Austin, there's a free Alex Jones rally going

on this weekend. Refuse. Unfortunately it is happening after we're recording this. Refuse. So we won't know the aftermath until later. And then the second is news just broke that PayPal has kicked Alex off. Oh yeah.

That could be, uh, that could precipitate a real blow up. Now not all of his money comes in processed by PayPal. Yeah. But that will cut a chunk out probably. Right. He's not, he's not going to be happy about that. Really? That's an interesting thing.

Can they, can they just do that? Absolutely. So, so that means in services. So that means that a fucking Chase Bank could just kick him out too. Absolutely. Yep. Well then, now that's a whole different world.

Well, I mean, that's what happened with. He has to then remove all paper currency from everything, but cryptocurrency. He'd be living his dream. No, cause he doesn't understand crypto. I know, but it's off the grid. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it'll come to that probably,

but PayPal will probably, you know, it'll take a big chunk out of his, his money. But, but that also is, I assume they still have to give him that money. They can't just be like, we keep all your PayPal. No, I'm sure they can't hold it up. I'm sure it's like cash out and you're gone, but also at the same time, I don't think that's going to affect his

multi-level marketing, Junez money. Cause I think that that's processed through Junez. Yeah, of course. So they like the, the thing that he's pivoting to. Yeah, he's not allowed to touch any of that money until Junez says it's okay. They give it back to him. Yeah, exactly.

I don't think that him being kicked off PayPal is going to affect that new hustle that he's got, but it will probably cut into info wars store sales. Again, not all of it will be harder for him to shop online too. You know, he's going to have to put his credit information in there every single time. He can't just log into PayPal.

Yeah, frustrating experience. I get it. There's no doubt about that. So this is as good a time to met as any to mention that we are on PayPal and have not been kicked off and if you'd like to send us a donation, please send us a message. I'll give you the email address to do that, but people who have done it a different way and who are supporting the show.

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Wasn't he one of Daniel's friends? Yeah, it was Shadrack, me, Shack, and a bed to go. Yeah, exactly. Shadrack. Is this the real Shadrack? Maybe. I don't know. I thought those guys died.

I mean, they didn't die in the fire where that was all that was the whole miracle. Well, they would have died by now. Yeah. Well, that's my question. You never know what the Bible folks. I don't know. Eddie Payne.

No, it was like 900. Eddie Payne's friends with Daniel and Michael from the Bible. See, there you go. So who knows? Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much, Shadrack. That'd be the best. All the major Bible figures, not real.

But every now and again, there's just some random tertiary character like, oh, yeah, I'm Shadrack. I'm like 10,000 years old. The foosal is still hanging. Yeah, no big deal. I don't have any powers or anything. I'm just fucking old. Yeah.

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again, updated thank you to our raptor princesses out there. We really appreciate it. You make the world to go round. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what are we going to do an update every three or four months raptor princesses still doing a great job. Love you guys.

Keep on going. I don't know. In case you were feeling ignored for even just a moment. I'm projecting that a little bit possibly. I believe that's exactly what you're doing. I don't know how to appropriately show appreciation. And that's the way I decided to do it. So thank you.

We really appreciate it. We're just going to text all of our raptor princesses once every three months just to be like updated. Thank you. Just an automated message. Yeah. Exactly. Thank you all so much and everybody everybody who make

this possible and we couldn't do it without you because certainly ain't no sponsors knocking down these doors. Dan. Yeah. If you do message you and get the PayPal address in order to donate that way. Yes, sir. Would you be a paypalacy wonk?

Oh, that's not bad. That's that's really close to bay ballity. It's a mortal combat. I don't know. Yeah, sure. We'll see. Yeah. Sure.

Why not? Why not? So Jordan was up, Dan. So recently. Well, let me let me phrase it this way. Let me start this way. Okay. Alex Jones is a man who does not grant many interviews.

There are not. There are a few times that he actually gets. Oh boy. Anybody. Oh, we're going to listen to him do an interview. We're talking about like we had, of course, Megan Kelly. We're going to listen to him do an interview. It's going to be banana.

We had him go on Joe Rogan's show. We had these interviews, but it's very rare for him to actually sit down with anybody. This week, a gentleman by the name of Patrick bet David hyphenated last name bet David sat down with Alex Jones in a hotel. I bet Goliath, but that's okay. So the smart money goes, but you'd lose. So we know about this from the last 2018 last present day

episode, Alex mentioned when he was talking with Owen shroyer about their masculinity issues. Yes. He mentioned walking into a hotel room to do an interview and how he had his chest out and all the ladies came are running. Oh, this is that interview. This is the interview that he's talking about. And let me say he looks like shit.

He is not walking around like a super masculine guy. He's like, and look, I, I, I, I'm reluctant to and criticize myself for critiquing appearances, but Alex is drunk. Okay, looks like shit. That's not good slouched over and I'm a man with a cross-eye. So I'm not someone who likes to critique people's eyes, but like I have a cross-eye. His eyes are out of bounds.

Like they're out of bounds. There's a wandering aspect to his eyes that are just like it's not, it's not a stigmatism. It's not like a cross-eye situation. There's just something fucked up going on with his eyes. Okay. There's a nefariousness. Okay.

All right. I'm not sure what it is. It's very weird. He's got, he's got the evil eye. He's got stink eye. What's going on? I had to stop myself. He's got pink eye?

Yeah, they could be. So he sits down for a two hour interview with Patrick Bettenbeven. So if you're describing this correctly, then maybe the reason that he has this meltdown of insecure masculinity happen on air is not because the story went as he told it, wherein he walks around with his chest puffed out and all the women came running, but instead is because he was looking like a piece of shit and everybody treated him as such.

And he is not doing well at all. That's a good theory, certainly. That sounds, that sounds a little bit more like the insecure Alex that I know. He sits down for a two hour interview with this cat and he is drunk. I'm going to make no bones about that. He's drunk from the beginning.

Okay. But I know. Does he keep drinking? Oh, yes, he does. Hell, yes. They're drinking high balls. Who drinks high balls during an interview anymore? It's very clear.

They're on camera drinking. It's Salinger right this interview? Patrick Bet David is drinking too. Like, but he can handle his booze. So he keeps it together. We're going to get into it. Okay. All right.

All right. That is going to be an untold piece of this story because right wing watch put out a piece about this because Alex spoiler alert talks about how he's ready to die. Yeah. Well, I mean, I assume at this point he finally is they cover that aspect about it.

But let me say that there's a whole lot more going on here than meets just the immediate first glance. So we're going to get into this. We're going to walk through the interview talk about how fucking stupid Alex is and how drunk he gets. But here's an outer context drop of things to come. So you can say, I'm the head of the liminati. Oh, you could.

Oh boy. That's very interesting. So new theory. Uh-huh. When did Biggie die? 95, right? All right. Who's ready to die now, Dan?

Who's ready to die now? Maybe every 20 years, Biggie reinvents himself like the there's a slight resemblance with Bill Hicks. Not so with notorious. Well, Biggie also did have an eye that might be considered out of bounds. Uh-oh. We might be honest.

All right. So let's start the interview where Patrick bet. David begins by asking Alex. He starts really by giving Alex his credits, which normally if you were giving like Alex Jones's credits, you might say you started info wars.com in the nineties. You built it up from something you were doing out of your dad's dental office and created a multimillion dollar empire.

They're massive influx of cash whenever Biggie died. There are a lot. Nothing suspicious. Oh boy. New theory, new theory on the new theory. There are a lot of like legitimate credits. You could give him like you can't take away the fact that he built this business and did something.

Right. Absolutely. Pretty remarkable. Instead here are the credits that Patrick gives him. So if you follow the news, if you follow media, you're going to see what this is what he sounds like Jones who is recognized. I think it's pretty fair to say you are the most controversial political figure in America today.

Is that fair to say something like that? Yeah, I'm the most banned person in the 21st century. There's no doubt that on the most demonized most attack person in the world today. So the the the what I what I'm trying to point out here is that instead of giving credits that are like these are the things you did. These are this is what makes you relevant.

His only identifying credit that he's being given at all is victimhood. Yeah, I just I just wrote down his credit is this we have today the biggest victim in the world. Yeah, his definition is like I'm persecuted. Yeah. Yeah, you asked who Patrick bet David nobody is more persecuted than me.

I mean, it's crazy. They took my children away at the border. They put him in a separate detention facility and I am forced to sit here as I'm deported. Wait, he's not now. That's not him. That's super interesting. Is that not him?

So Patrick bet David is an entrepreneur and financial advisor, though he's of a Syrian and Armenian descent. Patrick grew up in Iran. Where for where from his family was forced to flee during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s. They lived in a German refugee camp for two years before their family came to America when Patrick was 12 at which point he enrolled in school and joined the U.S.

Army after graduating high school. In short, he's a living counterpoint to all of Alex's narratives about refugees and immigrants and it's an absolute tragedy and travesty that this doesn't come up at all in their interview now. What's so that that's a little bit of like just a brief introduction to who Patrick bet David is. Uh-huh.

Get more into this. Is there going to be why is this dude interviewing Alex? Well, he runs a sort of motivational and entrepreneur based YouTube channel. Oh, so he's also a multi-level marketing scammer. Now, let me say this. That wasn't a no. You didn't say that.

You didn't answer with a no. Well, let me say this. So I may have sussed out an issue. We'll get to that later. Um, he on his YouTube. Oh my God. He works for Junas does the day. It doesn't work for Junas.

Oh, Christ. All right. Fine. Fuck it. You've already, you've already, you've already sort of figured this one out. I might as well explain it. Um, judging solely from the titles of his books, you might

think that Patrick bet David is a little bit of a snake oil salesman. Two of his books are called doing the impossible the 25 laws for doing the impossible. Love your neighbor as myself. Also, his other one is quote drop out and get schooled the case for thinking twice about college. These are book titles that basically emulate the strategy

of clickbait titles for articles. So in 2009, Patrick bet David attended a dinner with George will conservative columnist. I don't want that after which he was inspired to start a website called saving America. The stated goal of which was to quote restore America's prosperity and return us to the founding principles that have always made America exceptional.

Interesting that in 2009, he was using the same empty bullshit platitudes that Alex uses today. Soon after this, Patrick launched the PHP agency, which stands for people helping people. The company sounds innocuous. The company ostensibly offers life insurance, annuities and debt settlement services. That's already a scam.

However, if you read articles about PHP closely, you'll notice some interesting peculiarities. For instance, an article on opportunity lives points out that in the six years since he founded the company, quote, his company has grown at such a rapid pace. It now has more than 5,500 representatives in 33 states. No, no, no, this is not real. That would be a massive success story.

And one I would be probably more impressed by if one of the only three links on PHP's website is labeled quote become a life insurance agent. This is where things start to get into some interesting overlap with modern day Alex Jones quote to begin training with PHP and start the process of becoming an agent requires a one-time new associate agreement fee of $150. This allows associates to attend trainings, receive marketing

materials, dot, dot, dot. Then you come to find out that you have to pay $14.95 monthly as a fee to access the support app. I mean, you need it. And things start to become a little bit more in focus. If you've got it, you've got to have support if you want to sell life insurance. PHP agency is supposedly about selling life insurance, but

in reality, what it's about is selling you on the idea of signing other people up to become life insurance agents. And then you make money off of them recruiting other people to become life insurance agents and on down the line. Does anybody get life insurance? Apparently, as some people do, but it's such a small part of their sales pitch at all. There's hundreds of stories that I've read of people who went

to their seminars and you know how you know how all these things work. They bring people to a ballroom. Someone gives a speech and then they isolate them and try and convince them to become a recruiter for them more or less. So the stories that you can find are all basically the same. Quote, Deborah writes, quote, I went to help a friend out and the guy who was there tried to recruit me and wanted me to

give him my phone so he can call all my friends and family also to join. I didn't do that because it was rude. I went to buy. That's the only reason I went to buy a policy and he hired me. So that's not good. Our user on Reddit writes, quote, they purposefully only give vague info in the interview.

So I didn't quite get what was up until I went back to the office an hour later to do orientation with a coworker who invited me there during this hour long break. I felt wrong about this company and like it was very immoral, but the phrase MLM still hadn't entered my mind when I got to the orientation of my coworker explained the business model in more detail. It was clearly a classic MLM scheme.

You make money off money money. Other people make by recruiting people who recruit more people who recruit more people, etc. And also by tricking poor people into buying their shitty life insurance. Yeah, it goes on and on and on PHP appears to be a textbook example of MLM and Patrick bet David is the founder of said company here.

He is interviewing Alex Jones just days before Alex announces on air that he's becoming a middle level distributor and another MLM called Junez scammers. You know, it seems connected, but I don't know how it doesn't seem like a coincidence. I went to the bank to get an equity loan the other day and now I'm an account manager for the Midwest region. Is that crazy?

Isn't that crazy? That's how normal businesses work. Yeah, that is ridiculous how it happens. And now I got to meet these quotas and I don't even know what I'm doing. Interestingly, Patrick bet Davis also David also advises people not to go to college and to buy homes or not to buy homes because those things are going to be waste of money

and get you in debt. That might be okay advice if his solution wasn't to advocate people instead getting entrepreneur into entrepreneurship, which based upon the business he started up as an even more surefire route towards losing more money. So all that money that you are going to put into college education, all that debt you're going to accrue. What if you just did the same debt but gave it all to me

instead and then well, I mean, fuck off then then you can go fuck off but first give me that money. There's so many stories about like it's all the exact same sort of shit. It's classic multi-level marketing pyramid scheme type shit. People go in. Oh, there's this fee you have to pay to sign up.

Is that all of it while also you got to pay the monthly for access to the app, right? Oh, is that all? Yes. That's all and then afterwards people signing up and giving them this money. They find out oh, also you also have to have life insurance through one of our providers.

Well, you have to have life insurance through one of their providers. That's part of the game. Exactly. So there's this there's this really an ethical business model that is being run by this guy and Alex is now part of a different one that has the exact same model. This whole world like Alex is just feeding all of his they

all fucking know each other. Well, they all have to. I think that's probably true. But then also like this is this is case in point why I don't think it's really all that important to cover Alex anymore. He's become the most pathetic pile of shit and he's not going to lead his audience towards white supremacy and Nazi isn't anymore as much as he's going to lead them to financial ruin

and like I don't want for them to have to go through that. I think that's awful. But I look, I feel like it's punching down what about his show right now. Look, what if the only way to stop the rise of Nazism in Germany was to instead make Hitler a medium distributor in a multi-level marketing? I mean, we've all we've already talked about this when the

Klan was reforming. They were just a multi-level marketing. Yeah. So this this like this strategy for hateful organizations has always been there. It's a good one. Yeah. When you are filled with hate, it's often hard to discern

whether or not you're getting into a multi-level marketing scheme. Yeah. So that is who Patrick Bet David is. So that doesn't come up in the interview, but this is two days before our last episode where Alex had the Junes guy on and like made the big announcement about Info Wars. Yes.

So he already interview was two days before he was already talking to Junes. He already had that deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure of it. Undoubtedly and Info Wars. Yes, had already been up like it wasn't something. Remember when he got caught with Trans porn on his phone?

Yeah. That was like a month or so back whenever it was everything blur is time wise. Yeah. But the reason that he got caught was because he was pulling up Info Wars. Yes on his phone and that window was there. So it had already been something that he had like got you.

He had put out there, but he hadn't really fully committed to being like. Now we're doing now we're doing an infomercial Virginess on my show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The reason that I bring that up is it's important that this interview is happening with him fully aware that he is about to pimp his audience to Junes.

Yeah. So it's weird. The the the headspace that he's in is is very strange. Anyway, in this next clip, he talks more about his victim hood and his being banned from everything. I think he might oversell this a little bit. Oh, yeah. So you've been now banned off what Facebook, Twitter,

YouTube, over Reddit, Instagram, every single one of these things over a hundred platforms, over a hundred platforms. All not a chance to ban you take our 100 platforms. We just launched a week before we got banned a month ago. It had over 2 million downloads. So they just banned it. They went to number one. So we're banned for being number one and then they want us

banned so they can then lie about what I supposedly stand for. See, that's what they do. They would just nothing and then they demonize you. Your YouTube channel has roughly 1.5 billion views. Give or take. That was just one up. We have just one. They had 5 billion views total 5 billion views total.

They banned they blew them all away over 20 channels in one day. If you had 20 YouTube channels, that probably means you're up to something. You know what I mean? That's not like a coherent maximizing your audience. Well, yeah, but that also probably means maybe you have like, I don't know. It feels like maybe you have one channel that's in order to antagonize one channel that's in order to put out maybe how would you even know

they were connected? I don't know. How could you even know? I think YouTube could figure that out. You would think that they would have some sort of a system. Yeah, I don't know. There aren't 100 platforms for him to be kicked off of. He had 20 YouTube channels.

I think that's a red flag in and of itself. And then beyond that, even like the his app didn't go to number one. It was number one on trending right after he got thrown off all these places. Yeah. So he's exaggerating all of this in order to really hyper inflate much like he gas prices in 2000, early late 2008. He's trying to inflate his sense of victimhood in order to really, I mean, what do you want his sympathy and outrage?

Yeah. And he knows that he doesn't deserve it. So he's got to create it. Right. All right. Next question. Why is this creator of a multi-level marketing scheme doing an interview with Alex?

Because he has this channel that gets like 5,000, 8,000, 10,000 views for videos and he knows that Alex Jones is going to get 500,000. Really? Absolutely. So why did, no, I know, but why did Alex agree to go on this show? Probably because the guy who runs Junez knows Patrick Bet David. I assume. I don't know.

That's the only explanation. Patrick Bet David wanted to inflate his, you know, really bring some attention to reach out to Alex. That's why he reached out to Alex. But Alex doesn't give interviews unless there's something else going on. Well, I think that. Well, okay. I looked into his channel and one of the things I found, first of all,

is that he recently interviewed Ric Flair. Whoo. All right. Well, that's nice. And it makes more sense than this Alex interview. He's much more coherent. Did Ric Flair invent his own cryptocurrency? Flarebox?

No, but he did. He used to have Flair financial. He used to have like a financial, he did. He offered, it was like financial advice and their slogan was put your finances into figure four. I think they went out of business. I can't see why. Yeah.

So, but like he had Ric Flair on. That's cool. But then the downside of that is he had Ben Shapiro on talking about how the Clintons are awful. Right. They read. Sure. Sure.

So I think Alex could have gotten a request from him and then gone through and seemed like, oh, shit, there's Ric Flair is super cool. Oh, wait, he had like Perez Hilton on. He's a troll. Oh, wait, what's this? He had Ben Shapiro on talking shit about the Clintons. Maybe this guy is okay. I don't know.

There's a hundred reasons I can think of possibly why Alex agreed to do this that aren't like Patrick offered to pay him, which I don't think is the case, but I don't know. I don't know. I, it's, it's a bit of a mystery, but also Alex is in a bleeding place. You know, like he's losing all of his access. He's losing the ability to get his message out. If he has this guy who conceivably has a conduit and is related to celebrities

in some way or at least some celebrities have deemed him worth talking to. I could see him being like, yeah, sure. This could help get my message out. Or he's just like, I'm glad that anybody's talking to me at all anymore. And Patrick bed. David is like lives in Texas. So it's not like a thing where he had to fly to see him or anything like that. So he just, he drove there in like a studio.

I think they're in Austin. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. They're just another studio. They're in a hotel room. Okay. All right.

A suite. Oh, well, that's not terrible. No, could be worse. So in this next clip, Alex talks about how he is a big audience and about how demonized he was and how everything isn't his fault. It's not. There's a massive left-wing conspiracy against him. Run by, wouldn't it be his fault run by none other than the demon spawn Hillary Clinton.

Oh, it's Clinton. Hillary Clinton's behind this. I thought it was Soros. Nope. Look, I had a big audience and I'm on a couple hundred radio stations still and they're in 530 stations. So we still reached a lot of people, but Hillary Clinton ran ads about a month before she lost the 2016 and she thought it was such a negative figure that they edited

these tapes and they, they played these tapes out of context, uh, demonizing me and then it connected to Trump. And then when she lost, the Democrats actually believed that I was Trump spring. She ran $18 million of ads. The federal election commission says real quick on that. I tried to find this. I couldn't find any fucking information from the FEC that she paid 18 million dollars to run anti-Alex Jones ad.

No, you have to file that with the FEC. First of all, I mean, there's no way, but here's something interesting. You do look up Hillary Clinton and $18 million and you find that the only, the only thing about 18 million and Hillary Clinton that's really relevant is that in 2008 in her concession speech, she said this, referring to the number of people who voted for her in the primaries. Quote, although we weren't able to shatter that highest hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it.

And the light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge that the path will be a little easier next time. Now, I can't find any evidence that she paid 18 million dollars to demonize Alex Jones, but it is interesting that the only thing that relates to Hillary Clinton and 18 million is this very inspirational speech that she gave about the glass ceiling during her concession speech in 2008 election. Well, three million of those, three million of those were illegal immigrants. So it's only illegal cracks in the glass ceiling, but I'll be having those.

But I'm just saying it's an interesting parallel that Alex is lying about this thing about her demonizing him and the parallel that you can find with that number is something that would also really piss off Alex. So there's a decent chance that he just conflated a number of things that make him mad about Hillary. That's kind of my working theory on it. Yeah. I just like the idea that he thinks the FEC keeps records not on how much you

spend on attack ads or ads of any nature, but on how much you spend per person you are attacking. Yeah, exactly. Like everybody, like the Americans for Prosperity ran $20,000 in attacking a big bird. Right. Like you have to know exactly. That's how that's, I mean, it's on the spreadsheet, baby.

Yeah. On TV and the web saying that I am in charge of Trump, it's not true. Here we're talking Trump, he's in charge. Okay. And I have some connection to Trump like one tenth of what they say. So they ran $18 million of ads on YouTube and Google and Facebook and TV saying, here's Alex Jones. He's Trump's brain.

He tells Trump what to do and they show a clip of Trump saying something similar and me saying something similar. Real quick, Alex also played his own versions of Trump saying similar things to him. Hold on. So Alex may be exact same argument around the same time that Trump is listening to us. But they did it in a mean way.

All the fucking time about how like he gets information to Trump, but Trump loves his information and the globalists are trying to keep that information away from Trump because they spent money trying to say that he did it. Right. Making the exact same argument. Well, yeah, but they made it sound bad. It's fucking stupid. $18 million dollars.

$18 million dollars. So they ran that according to the federal election commission and then when she lost all hell broke list, we had like advertising deals. You name it. I lost like $10 million dollars the first month when Trump won. He's talking about the Google ad stuff. Yeah, he got kicked off of it. I don't believe the number he gave back then was $10 million dollars.

I think he's over exaggerating things once again. Everything was coming after me. They were the people were suing me. You know, lost or gained. You lost after he won when he won. They went for my sponsors. Everything because they actually believe their own propaganda, which wasn't true that I was like telling Trump what to do.

And so once he once he won, they had run this ad thinking connecting me out of context with radical statements to the to the then candidate. Are you saying that Trump was making radical statements would demonize him? But then when it failed, they believed their own propaganda. They smoked their own dope. And then almost two years later, it has been one hell of a ride. They literally believe their own BS that I am in charge of Trump and I'm giving him every move and it's the opposite.

I may have talked to Trump since he got elected 10 times. Okay, that's still too many. That is that's still too many. By the way, what is he talking about? No one is saying what he's saying. They're saying nobody is doing what he's saying they're doing. You're going even the stuff that he's saying happened to him didn't happen. What is he talking about?

You're going to experience this a lot. This isn't this isn't this is like I so I was interviewed like straight up very well might as well be called obfuscation. Yeah, like he's he's responding to criticisms that no one's making. He's responding to like fake versions of allegations. He's responding to things that he thinks people are doing that are actually what he was doing. It's nonsense.

He's all over the map and I want to I want to. They kicked me out of the gym because I bench pressed too much weight. Right. That's what happened. I bench pressed 700 pounds. Everyone there was nothing to do with that that woman who I tore her leg off and threw it through the window breaking that glass ceiling. By the way, thank you ladies.

18 million cracks. Yeah. Look, the I want to I want to say this because we kind of talk when we talked about how Patrick bed David is also running a multi-level marketing scheme here, but I want to say that he does as good a job of interviewing Alex as anybody I've ever seen. Really? He does do a good amount of pushing back against him.

Okay. He has a couple of good points and I don't want any like I don't care if people watch this, but I'm not going to I it's too long. It's two hours long. People shouldn't subject themselves to that unless they really want to. But it by the way, this episode of knowledge fight will be eight and a half hours long. Probably there is a really funny trend that keeps going throughout it.

That is like Patrick bed David sort of rolling his eyes and his body language being like, uh, like there is a lot of that. Like Alex slouched slouched over kind of drunk and Patrick bed David. There's like, why do you talk it about? So there is that like he does. He doesn't just let Alex say a lot of shit, but at the same time he's he's kind of woefully unprepared. He doesn't have a ton of information.

Right. If he did, he could have like he was in a position where he could have like really skewered him. He was inspired by George will. This is not a guy who's interested in information. He's a guy who sat down happily laughing along with Ben Shapiro. So anyway, in this next clip, he want Patrick wants to talk a little more about Alex's communications with Trump.

When's the last time you spoke to Trump? I don't want to get into that, but you know, last few months, last few months and what's he telling you? What's he telling him when you're talking to him? We're going to turn the economy around. It's getting better. Why are you calling me? We need to be positive.

Everybody together, no matter what color they are, who they are. It's literally like a pepper alley. You know, one of the things I'm curious about, if you are so close to Trump, if you've spoken to him 10 times, ever since you've been banned, have you had a conversation with him since the ban or no? He did sell me a timeshare. No, I mean, I've had conversations with people high level in the campaign and in the White House.

Okay. Now, this is important. Alex said the campaign because he's the part of his brain that remembers like the narratives to talk about is still operating on 2016 level. So when he says, I talked to people in the campaign, what he means is in the administration, but he's still operating off that. I'm part of this and he's not anymore. And I've just said, listen, they've denies people in the campaign

were fired before the administration $18 million during the campaign. Now it's tens of thousands of articles a month everywhere lying about me, never showing what I supposedly said. He's claiming I said something and I said, this is clearly just like the Nazis did. You pick a group and then you specifically one person that minority group and then once you set the precedent that people accept going after them, then it's everybody else.

So I'm the first domino because I've studied history. I was smart enough to understand that I'm not this important. They picked me because I'm flamboyant and stuff out of context to demonize Trump. Now that he won, they have ramped it up that I'm this horrible person. And then now they are going to try to shut me down. And then once they shut me down over 100 plus platforms, Facebook, Twitter, Google, iTunes, you name it, it'll be everybody else. And just like I predicted, as soon as I was shut down, it was a domino

effect for everybody else. So that's the plan. Okay. It's not. I don't want him to do this interview so much anymore. Yeah. And more like I want bet David to like walk over and just be like, oh honey, come on, sweetie, you are that bad of a person.

Everything is okay, Alex. If you just accepted it, then you could change and grow and enjoy or just enjoy your money. Go go hang out Barton Springs. Honey, sweetie pie, get out of here. You can have a good life. Just just go to bed, go to bed. So in that clip, Alex is saying that what is being done to him is like

what the Nazis did and Patrick to his credit wants to talk a little bit more about that because Alex also is saying that everyone keeps calling him a Nazi and he's so mad about that. They just call you a racist and a Nazi and that's why they don't have to deal with the things that you're saying. They just mischaracterize you. It's the first they came for Goebbels and I didn't say anything because I was not a propagandist.

Right. Next, they came for Hitler and I didn't say anything because I hadn't committed any genocides. Right. And third, everybody was fine. Oh, interesting. It's a good one. So I'll say I think we should go with that, you know, get Alex gone,

get Trump out of there. Everybody's good. And his examples that he'll give about like the people who got banned after him are like Gavin McGinnis. Yeah. Who's leading a legit paramilitary organization of weirdos who punch each other naming serials as an initiation ritual and apparently find their way into lots of public photos with congressmen giving white power

signs. So like this sort of thing isn't like, okay, good. Like that's not, I'm not worried about that. Gavin McGinnis gets banned. Hooray! First, they came for the Nazis and I did not care because I didn't want to kill Jews. At the same time, if it were the state doing it, different conversation.

That is a different conversation. Different conversation. But the idea that they like these private companies kick Alex off and then, oh my God, in the aftermath, the proud boys are gone. Fine. That tracks. So now Patrick does a pretty decent follow up question here to ask about the idea of like being called a Nazi.

Anderson Cooper, a morning joke doesn't matter when somebody uses the word Nazi in America and they say hitting on all this other stuff. Red flag goes up for me and I'm a guy that's studying everything. I'm a guy that studies. I'm a guy from a family that's half communist, half imperialist, born and raised in Iran. So when I see a comparison like that made by people that have only lived in America to me, it's a red flag.

So how much of this Alex do you think is itself inflicted by you versus media? Tucker pushes hardcore. Kennedy pushes or rightly pushed. A lot of people push, but they're still out there. Why are you the one that's being banned? That's a great question. They call me a Nazi constantly.

You know, both my grandfather's almost died in World War II. It's it's it's that's they who called you. Who's then would say they would call any major names. I call you Nazi. We've had like Tom Brokaw say I'm an unalloyed racist. Okay, but that's not Nazi though. Well, wasn't DC last week when we run up and scream, you're a Nazi. You're a Nazi.

That's what they say that. But specific any major name cause that all the time. So good. And by the way, I want to say this part real quick. I'm not sure if you caught that. He's like, he's like, do you have a specific name or someone who's called you a Nazi because you do that all the time? I know.

This is great. I'm loving this. That question does not get answered. Oh, it doesn't party that I think it's just fair for everybody for both sides. Partially why I brought my attorney said, don't do this. And I spoke to you about that. Yes.

And as my attorney say, Pat, No, when I told you, that's the hard question. I love it. No, no, I love it. I know you did. I know you did. And so when you and I spoke, I said, look, my attorneys are concerned. And so we went back and forth.

But the reason why watch they be concerned, you've got money's type to them. So they're coming from a money's standpoint. But let me just say this. Yeah, you're a man that has your own life. You say what you say. I say what I say. If I was Jeffrey Dahmer, you've got air view by the nose.

Yep. No one says why is the news? Why is NBC interviewing Jeffrey Dahmer? Let's say I'm like, yeah, people are saying that before he died last year. Let's let you know. Let's say that Charlie Manson interviewed Manson. You're allowed to interview Charlie Manson. You are.

What is this new thing where they say don't interview Alex Jones? What is it? Because they built a straw man learning of things I haven't said. I'm glad for the tough questions. They build a straw man. Yeah. And then they don't want me to respond. Here's an example.

There's a video on infowars.com. Boo. So the like what he's not taking into consideration is like an interview with fucking Dahmer or Charles Manson is going to be like, why did you eat people? Yeah. Why did you kill Sharon Tate? Why did you do that? Why did you get people to kill Sharon Tate?

They take that out of context all the time. Look, it's only part of what I said was yes, let's go kill Sharon Tate. But the rest of it was politically. An interview with Charles Manson where you're like, if let's say Jake Tapper sat down with Charles Manson and was like, Hey, is there anything to that Helter Skelter? You know, like if he were to say like if that interview were to happen, I'd be like, holy shit.

No, they wouldn't ever do that. We're really sitting down with a puff piece on Manson tonight on 60 minutes. We have got Charles Manson wrongly accused. Question mark. So like the equivalent that he's trying to make is like, yes, if you want to have the media subject you to like really having to be called to question for the the things that you've said and what you've been a part of, go ahead and subject yourself to that.

I'm sure they would do that. Yeah. I'm sure the media would have that interview. But it'd be like be brutal or actually probably wouldn't. They do a terrible. No, they do a terrible job. But I mean, oddly enough, so far of all of the interviews that we've ever heard with Alex Jones, that one question is the best thing that anybody has done.

But you do recognize like that Alex is able to deflect from it so easily. Yeah. But it's still like a righteous question. Yeah. And there's more like he asks a couple of like if he could actually get Alex to answer the questions. Yeah. If Alex wasn't drunk and acting like a child, there are some questions

that he fucking can't answer. No, absolutely. That was one of them for sure. Yeah. That was dead on who's called you a Nazi. You call people Nazis all the time. What is the difference? That's very difficult for him.

He doesn't answer it. So he has a lot of ideas about why he's being targeted, which is another one of the hard questions. Why is Tucker? Why is that so good? Like those sorts of things. Don't you think Alex for even a moment, you might be a little bit at fault here. Do you think you did this to yourself?

Do you think there's at least Alex just say one little thing? Maybe you did something. Maybe it's not entirely your fault. Alex, do you take any responsibility, admit some fucking fault you pathetic child. My friend is a useless road to go down to Alex, but he does have other reasons why he thinks that the globalists are attacking him. But your whole question going to, is it self-inflicted there after me? Because they can track back the reboot of 1776.

They can track back how the economy is turning back and how the globalist suppress things by design. Can track back Steakhouse and I don't want to even want the credit, but they believe George Soros and the globalist believe that I'm the first domino and that we triggered this grassroots movement to launch Trump. So they believe if they take me out, Trump can continue on or be defeated. What? So why did I bring you on?

Okay. I'm a content creator. I'm a capitalist. I'm an entrepreneur. And you're allowed to interview me. Of course. No, but how far down the land by the way that you've got to even like ask, can I interview Alex Jones?

Listen, I could be Adolf Hitler, a horrible person. You have a right to interview me. So that's as far as you go with Hitler. Entrepreneurs on, you know, I mean, the channels are mainly an entrepreneur channel. We've had Mark Cuban. We've had Magic Johnson. We've had Kevin Hart, but we've had Gloria Allred.

I mean, who has Gloria? I had a Gloria Allred just to speak to to see why. No, you got it. It's great. I've had. It's smart what you're doing. Yeah. I've had, well, Alex, I think it's smart for him to interview Gloria Allred.

You hate her. Yeah, but it's smart to interview her. I recall correctly. He believes that she's works with the CIA. Well, yeah, but he'd interview her. She just won't go on a show. Ridiculous. Um, so yeah, Hitler, Hitler, bad dude, horrible person.

This is going horrible person. This is, you know, he turned his red receipts on and then he still doesn't answer for like, very rude, very rude. So they're like, that is part of something that's going to pay off later. There's something at the end of this episode that I think is fucking inexcusable. Like the, Alex, him saying Hitler is a bad guy is the prelude to a fucked up thing at the end of this episode.

And I'm teasing a little bit because there's that. And then there's also we're going to, we don't have segments on this podcast, but we have a segment at the end of this. Oh, we have a segment. Uh, I, there are 50 clips. Did we record this? Wait, there are 50 clips. I have 50 clips.

But one of the reasons is the last 15 are a game that you and I are going to play where you are going to have to try and figure out where Alex's brain goes. Okay. So that's a teaser. All right. All right. So I just want to say that in case anyone gets bogged down in the idea

of like, cause a lot of these things that are coming up are things that we've discussed on the podcast already. So it's not really, it's not really robust territory for us to be like, all right, Alex, you think you're a victim, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You think everyone calls you a Nazi for no reason. Wham. You know, it's not like, yeah, if I were, I'm projecting a little bit because if I listened to this podcast, I would be interested in learning

more and hearing about like, what are the fresh things of this? Yeah. And I just, you know, I want people to know there's something big coming at the end of this. Anyway, like we said, um, a lot of this does seem to be, uh, Patrick bet David asking, do you take any sort of personal responsibility for the situation you find yourself in? And he tries to reiterate that question here.

Um, and what do you know? Not super successful. There are people who agree and disagree with you who are defending you. The part I'm trying to ask from you is the following. Is there any part of this that is self inflicted that is cause I run a business, we have flaws. Some of it is self inflicted. Some of it is my COO.

Some of it's my CMO. Some of it's my chief financial officer, but I know my lack of ethics and morality is self inflicted from your side or no, no, I totally agree. You're saying, yeah, I'm going to answer that. But since when in America do we have to ask is a bro? Yeah, what have I said here? I can't wait to answer that question. That's a great question.

I love making the country great. What have I said that's so damn evil because the mainstream media projects what I've said done and because they've created a strong man, they don't want me to be able to respond. But let me tell you, if you go back six years ago with Sandy Hook first happened and my listeners called in and didn't think it happened. Yep. Let the record show Alex is the one who brings up Sandy Hook.

Patrick did not bring up Sandy Hook. Yep. And they showed anomalies. And so I had guests on looking on both sides, very small part in my whole compendium. You know, the last 25 years, it's less than 1% of what I've done. It's like one tenth of a cent. And so within a year or two, I said, no, I think Sandy Hook happened.

Mass shootings happen. That's media. As soon as I said, I thought it happened because I'd question it before went, oh my God, we've got him. And they went crazy. And then they just published thousands of articles a week saying Jones is a harassing family. She's going to their houses.

He won't stop saying it didn't happen. And then I call him, I send him letters and I'm like, here's 50 videos saying I believe Sandy Hook happened. And here's the debates where I just had open discussions five years ago. They won't stop because it's like saying Saddam killed babies and incubators in 1990. Get them. It's using that to demonize me.

So I've already said I'm sorry the media took out a complex 10,000 times. I'm already said that I'm done all that. And they only like, oh my God, he's weak on this. And so it's in papers every day. Jones is harassing families. Jones is saying Sandy Hook didn't happen. It's the papers saying that that are saying that it's not me. But but let's expand on that.

Let's I didn't lie about WMDs in Iraq. Cool. The New York Times said no one questions that. So they're pulling on the heart strings, not the families, but the lawyers, the Democratic Party. Because they're scared of what I'm generally saying that there's a corporate world government taking control of nation states like the Brexit and everything else.

And people are waking up for that. So they want to demonize that and say, you can't talk to this guy because he's so evil and he's so bad. There was nothing in that answer. I love that. That's so great. There's nothing in that answer. I literally just asked you, is there anything that you take responsibility

for? Actually, I actually disagree. I think he by like, oh, no, by virtue of his answer, you know that the question that was asked, do you take responsibility for anything? The answer is no. Well, I certainly he has answered that kind of I kind of disagree. Both I almost think that in his twisted way, the reason that his brain goes directly to Sandy Hook is that's him finally being like,

yes, Sandy Hook, this whole thing is my fault. What I really don't understand is why it's not going away. No, no, no, no, no, no, why is this going away? I've talked about so much shit for I've talked. I've lied about all this bullshit. Why isn't this one going away? That's interesting. I said something different.

Now you're supposed to let it go. That's interesting because I think that's probably true based on his like the entirety of his career. Like anytime there was blowback, you just like, yeah, well, I changed my mind. I apologize. So go away. Now I apologize.

I should be able to continue saying this. I am so sorry. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there is. There is something to that. But at the same time, wow, he's talking about it. I think you're right into as to why Sandy Hook came up into his mind. Yeah.

And he brought it up unprompted. That's because that's the only thing that he does except like this one is mine. That one is a big, big thing. I fucked this up at the same time. The question is what is self inflicted? What do you take responsibility for? And even in his conversation about Sandy Hook, it's someone else's fault.

It's the media lying about what I said. Not what I said. Of course. When we've gone over this ad nauseam, he fucking literally said, I didn't believe it at first, but then I saw this. Sandy Hook is a completely synthetic event. Nothing happened. I thought kids died there, but it was all fake.

He said that on his show literally. And then after that had Rob do's uncle pretending to do an investigation. Yeah. Of it. It's nonsense. The idea that he's like, we had some debates initially and then I was convinced it happened. I keep apologizing.

I keep saying, I think it happened. And that's the part where there's like a kernel of truth later. He did say like, I think it did happen. Yeah. So that's only because it was such a, like what he did was so inexcusable, which is why he's mad. Exactly. He, he said he was sorry and he changed his position.

But he's also that enough for you. But he's also lying about what the accusations are. No one is saying that he's harassing Sandy Hook families. People are saying that the result of his coverage has led to the families being right assaulted and harassed. Right. They're not saying that he keeps saying Sandy Hook was fake. It's that he did perpetuate that on a massive level.

And furthermore, he is incapable of recognizing the difference. Well, there's definitely that they're recognizing the difference between the behavior and the event. So he thinks that people are mad at him about the event. Yeah. So look, I said that Sandy Hook was a false flag and I changed my mind on that. Now I can continue calling other shit false flags, right? Cause it's just the event that you are mad at.

Right. I can call any event a false flag. This is all a false flag. Like the behavior is the issue. Not the, that it was Sandy Hook specifically. It's, it's still an issue. If you say, okay, see is a false flag. That's still a problem.

It's a good point. You know, yeah, he doesn't see the forest for the trees. So, um, Patrick is sort of trying to get Alex to answer that question. And he's just clearly unwilling to do that, but at the same time, I think we gave it short shrift a little bit. I love him being like, there's nothing in that. There's nothing in that. Most people who talk to Alex would never say something that overtly.

Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah. Um, so I respect that. He's a man who runs his own multi-level marketing scheme. He expects the truth from his underlings. So Patrick at this point tries to sort of change tactics. Uh, and asks him Alex about the idea of sensationalizing things.

He tries that approach. Yeah. We'll see how that goes. Sometimes in the world of sales, and maybe this will make sense on the question I'm trying to ask. Sometimes in the world of sales, when I work with the people in the world of sales, there are people who sell a product in the world of sales. Come on.

Let's just say the product is good enough for me to give the features and benefits. Here's what I'm selling Alex. I have a, from three about the. Hold on. You have to take, you have to take your awareness that he's a MLM guy out of it, because I think that the metaphor he's making is actually really. Yeah.

No, I'm just, I'm just worried that he's about to start selling me on his life insurance bullshit. No, no, no. He's going to talk about a house as a, as a metaphor. And like I said, I, I don't respect the man, but I like his, uh, the way he's trying to get Alex to understand his point. All right. Here's some benefits.

Here's what I'm selling Alex. I have a house, four bedroom, three bathroom, corner, cul-de-sac kids, safety, good private schools, et cetera, et cetera. And then I say, but this house underneath it, there's a 63% chance that there's oil and you can be a billionaire. Do you ever think you go from just selling the idea, which already makes a lot of sense. You're making me think.

Then from there you go into, let me sensationalize and you get yourself in trouble doing that. Do you ever feel like you've done it where it's gotten in trouble? Oh, I think there's no doubt that I've covered the internet sensations and then the media says that I created that sensation just because I covered the sensation. You know what? Do you sensationalize yourself?

Are you sensationalizing yourself? There's a big difference. So I can give a presentation and God knows how many people I've sold over the years and I know when I sensationalize sometimes. Have you yourself caught yourself saying, shit, to get maybe a sponsorship, maybe sell me, you know, I know this thing's going to get 2 million views versus 220,000 views. Let me sensationalize because in a marketing aspect, you know, propaganda

is work, you know, you know, I'll be honest. I don't ever think, sit there and think about what's going to be successful. I go with what I think is true and I've questioned public events and I've done things like that. Boo. Wow. That was the furthest overhead. I think a metaphor has ever flew that metaphor was cruising at 30,000

feet above where Alex could understand it. It's also so demonstrative of why it's useless to interview Alex. Yeah, like that is a really good way to put it in a way a baby would understand the metaphor. Like it's a very simple thing to say. Like I, you're trying to sell me this house. The house has merits on its own. I'm interested in that house, but you're lying to me about the oil

underneath it to sell the sold house. Yeah. Do you think you do that ever? I'm interested in the truth. This apple is delicious. It's golden. It's crunchy. Also one out of every three people who eats it lives forever.

I just wanted an apple dude. I didn't need the sold me. Can I, can I get, can I live forever though? Well, I mean, let's hold on in three, one in three. Yeah. So Alex will not stop talking about Sandy Hook. Although Patrick isn't really prompting him too much. He's responding to what Alex talks about and it's so fascinating to watch

this as it goes along because Alex blames everybody, but himself for the situation. Yeah. So then this happens and the guy's on Prozac and he's being protected. He has a second thing to do and then the internet. Sorry, look at these alarm, you know, all these anomalies. So I start looking at the anomalies and I'm looking at them and I'm saying, is that true?

Is this true? So we debate those and then about a year. So after I start saying to people that are saying, I'm covering up because I'm saying, I thought it happened. Oh, yeah. I start saying, no, I think it happened and then it becomes this whole debate and then reporters come to me and they say, tell us what you think really happened.

What are the anomalies? And then I say the anomalies, even though I've already proven those anomalies aren't what they say. They're no, I'm saying, I believe Sandy could happen. Here are the anomalies. Then they sue me for saying what the anomalies are, cutting off that I say it happened. It's a way to like suck the oxygen out of the room.

I literally one tenth of a billionth of what I've done to Sandy Hook and now it's constant Sandy Hook. Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook. You know, I got 15 more topics that I would like. I already got 15, but that's where this goes. No, the only question, but you haven't answered. So I think it can simplify. If you just say, here's an argument.

Are you saying Sandy Hook was staged and the people that walked that they were, are you saying it happened, but the government had something to do? No, I believe Sandy Hook happened. I believe kids got killed at Sandy Hook and then the public questioned it. I analyzed that and I apologize that people taken out of context. What I questioned. You know, you could apologize and then the media used it to try to hurt families.

So I apologize for the whole way. It's worked. So they didn't apologize for it. No, I don't think it was okay. So that that's, but okay. So that's great. I mean, that's sad. That's so sad.

Well, that's the, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings when I'm sorry. You feel bad for the thing I did. That was totally fine for me to do. Yeah. Yeah. I completely destroyed your house. I'm sorry that you feel bad about that. Yeah.

That's basically what he's doing. This is such a cowardly dodge. And it's also predicated on him building it up by lying about what he did with Sandy Hook. Right. This is not true at all. He's not legally like in jeopardy about the things he did that are truly bad.

Yeah. But that's because the statute of limitations is up on that stuff on the defamation that he clearly did and we've gone over. Right. He's lying about that because he knows he's in safe harbor legally and trying to present it as like the media lied about what I did and I'm sorry they did that to you. Yeah.

Exactly. When he did that to them. Yeah. Now of course he didn't create the idea that Sandy Hook was fake probably but he amplified it intensely. Yeah. And that's what he does with these things. Yeah.

Original ideas aren't his stock and trade. No. No. No. That's why he's an MLM middleman now. And that's why all of the things that he's done that have made him a bunch of money are other people's ideas. He stole the Hillary for a prison bumper sticker from someone else.

Yep. He stole the idea that 1776 2.0 worldwide. Yep. From some European guy that he met. He's stolen all of these things in order to co-opt them into his enter his empire. Yeah. Of course.

He's like Disney. Yeah. Anyway fuck this guy. Fuck this guy. I don't it's it's what I'm fascinated by listening to this is that I hear the backstory of what's the name of the doctor who lost her medical license. Rebecca Carly. Yeah.

Yeah. That backstory of everything was going great. Like she was really really successful. She became this really really good surgeon. And then there was this moment that broke her. Uh huh. You know like this is what I'm hearing with Alex is that somehow everything that he's done was going great.

And then he's broken now. And so as his life continues every conversation is just gonna be like oh yeah you know I'm doing pretty all right. But man I didn't say that Sandy Hook was fake and everybody's like oh we're doing this shit again like until he isolates himself like he's fixating on this. It's also a hard extent. It's also equivalent to the drunk at the bar like at the corner bar who's

like I could have been something. Yeah yeah yeah. I almost made the show. I almost made the big leagues in high school but then I got injured coffee in the 70s and then I had Tommy John and I just never came back. Exactly. Yeah and maybe one percent of those stories you hear are true and then the others are creating a hero narrative about why you aren't what you think you

should be. Right. And you think other people think you should be. Right. It's all very ego and other people who are that shouldn't be. It's ego driven. It's jealousy. It's lack of responsibility.

It's all of those things to a pathetic level. So now at this point Patrick wants to discuss the idea of Alex not being able to use social media anymore. And the idea that that's going to cripple his reach and really hurt his business. Yeah. So in order to facilitate this conversation Patrick brings up that a couple of years ago he lost his voice for 90 days.

He had a condition like a polyp or something in his throat and he wasn't able to talk. And as a salesperson as a person who runs a business that is incredibly difficult. And so he's trying to use that as a metaphor for Alex to open up about the idea of speech and the ability to get your ideas across. Uh-huh. Alex is not so interested in that but he is.

Oh wait what? The booze. This personal moment that could become a flowering of conversation. Alex isn't too interested in that. Well I mean he's not like totally dismissive of it. Uh-huh. But you can tell the booze is kicking in in this clip. And just to give you some context right before this Alex grabbed an apple from

the table and took a big old bite from it. So here's what he says. Why is it very fragile? If I can speak what do I do? So today if 5 billion views are gone how is Alex Jones feeling today? It's just on YouTube. Not including everything else. It's a 16 million.

I can't subscribe as well. Oh boy. I feel good. Because I'm on a sell out and I'm a trailblazer and people project who I am. They lie about me all day. But we've never had more hardcore listeners. And I'm just I just believe in humanity. I'm betting on humanity.

Hey Alex you're drunk. I think we're going to end this interview right here. They built the straw man of what I've said and what I've done. We're just going to turn the cameras off. Try to sell the public on that. No I mean you can keep talking. And then they think if you can demonize Alex Jones. Okay guys everybody wrap it up.

You can demonize everybody else. Get the boom mic out of here. And then once they accept destroying him. Yeah make sure the lights in the back are turned on. Everybody else. All right buddy you have a good night. They're doing it. That's the first of two times that Patrick responds to something nonsensical that Alex

says with it. You really believe that. Yeah. Which is nice. It's a nice thing. That is just like. It's me. Everybody.

Yeah. They come through me. They cut me off. They're going to cut all of you off. Yeah. That was too drunk. Yeah. That was too drunk.

And it doesn't get better. So now. I will say I don't know if I can if I can ever hear life is fragile in any other country. Life is fragile you know. Let's hear that again real quick. Life is very fragile. That's just the best way for it to be said. It's really the only way to say it now.

Dismissively through a mouth full of fruit. Life is very fragile you know. So Alex seems to be fine with being kicked off social media. So Patrick follows that up by asking him do you want to get back on social media. Would you ever want to be you know figuring out a way to be let you know be back on the platforms or you're okay if they never ever let you back on again. Are you okay with that. Never again.

I'm Alex. I'm Alex Jones. I'm never changing whether you take me back or not. I am never changing the single way I do anything. I don't care if I'm ever back on it. Is that where you're at today. Well obviously they're like 90% of the Internet. Obviously I want back on that.

Oh. But they misrepresent everything I've said and done. Jack Dorsey went on a month ago on NBC, CNN, ABC, all of it. He went on with Lester Holt and Lester Holt's like Jones says he wants to kill the media with assault rifles. Dorsey goes Jack Dorsey goes I know it's horrible but he can stay. That's defending you. I never said that.

So. But Dorsey the first time he defended you. That was all like acting like he was. I talked to folks that were in the meeting with him. When I confronted Marco Rubio who walked up to the press conference, Jack Dorsey said oh my god now he's been made to a Republican. This is how dumb they are. Now I can ban him.

Who told you that? Are you assuming that or you know that? No people in the meeting. No. People in the meeting telling you that now that you're going after Marco Rubio this is an opportunity for Dorsey to ban you. I talked to folks that were in the meeting with Jack Dorsey and he goes oh I can ban Alex Jones down.

He just wanted for a Republican. That's how dumb they are. This is sad. That's bad. Yeah. This is how dumb you are, Alex. I know that I told you before we started recording that the content that we're covering has the potential to be incredibly sad or incredibly hilarious and it turns out it's both.

It's simultaneously both. It's a very very sad glimpse at like I know people who are at the Twitter meeting. You don't. Yeah. That's nonsense. You've created and constructed a reason why people took action against you after you did X, Y or Z. You've decided that the best way to frame it is I went after a Republican and that gives

them cover to attack me. Yeah. Because you've already painted all of your enemies as being left leaning, I don't know, Communist, Socialist, Authoritarians. So this interview should almost be like part of a training tape for how to interrogate psychopaths. Sure. Like going through.

Listen to all these. Like, look, you think you constructed a great question. You think that you've got something that he's going to have to answer. You need to understand that with a psychopath, they're not interested in talking to you. No. You are just there. Yeah. So here's how you try and trick psychopaths into saying what you want them to say.

Yeah. But if you listen to his answers, there's so much to be gleaned from like psychopath language and how you respond to like human language. Just like him saying like, of course I want to be let back on these platforms, even though yes, I have said many times that if they kick me off, that's the right thing and I'm only more powerful for it. Yeah, I'm better for it. But of course I want them.

I want it back on so much. But I don't want it back on. I just want them to apologize to me and tell me that I'm right. Right. Yeah. There's a deep psychological thing that's going on that, I mean, I don't actually begrudge Patrick for not going too far down that road because it could get way out of his depth. Oh yeah.

Yeah. But he tries. Like I said, earlier he tried to reframe the question about sensationalism in terms he would understand. And now at this point he tries to bring back the question he'd already asked about like why haven't other people who say similar things to you? Why aren't they banned? And Alex has again, no answer for this.

Beck used to be the main guy to watch on Fox. Him and O'Reilly would go at it and he was coming up and he would get up and he would do his shows and I was on Beck one time and he would show all this out. So, you know, he was like, wrong. Yeah. And Hitler did this and you know, and everybody's like, oh my gosh, this could be a conspiracy and it's tight, you know, and even rush. These guys haven't been banned off Twitter.

These guys haven't been banned off YouTube. You've been banned. Is he acting like Columbo right now? Because let me read something. Let me ask you this question. Why do you think it is? Is it sure as hell? Is it because they say I question Sandy Hook?

No, I don't think that's the only thing. No, it's because I cover the geopolitical system and how they're setting up a world government and how they want eugenics and depopulation. And how the Chinese have merged with our big tech companies and take over the U.S. That's why. And you believe that a hundred percent? I don't believe that. So how come the rest of the guys are not off?

Why is Beck not off? Beck is not a guy that they agree with. Why is Limbaugh not off? Why is Milo still back on? And Milo may be one of the most annoying social media guys on Twitter. Well, let me ask this question. I know what I'm trying to tell you. Why do you think I'm bad?

I think I think it's overselling. So again, that comes back to the sensationalizing of stuff. And he'll explain more what he believes about that. Yeah. In later clips. But like. Even Milo is back on. And I think he's the worst thing in the history of the world.

I believe he's wrong about that, though. I think Patrick's wrong about that. Milo's not back on Twitter. No, no, no. But I think he's still. Well, it could be. He's actually Smilobianopoulos. I think he's I think he's still on Facebook, but that's irrelevant.

The question that he's asking is one that Alex can't answer without, you know, invalidating a bunch of shit, you know, the idea that like these people that say very similar things to you are not in trouble. The only thing he can fall back on is like they take me out so they can eventually take them out. And when that doesn't happen and when people are just like, no, it's your actions that cause this, that argument falls apart. His better angle here is to be like the answer is money.

I don't make the powers that be money smart. Like who makes who makes money? Whenever Hannity makes money, I'll tell you what, at least one or two globalists. Well, no, because that argument falls apart with Beck because he started his own shit. You know, he started the blaze that failed. But he's not on. Why did it fail? Globalist globalist.

He's not on Fox News or any of those like main platforms anymore. So like the idea that like that argument would even fall apart on further analysis. Well, yeah, but you're at the very least it's you have to do some further analysis than his answer right now, which is right. I'm mad if you accept that answer and not like you don't go further with it. What you're doing is just saying like, well, the audience, I hope they can see through this. There's nowhere else to really go with it. Let's move on.

You don't want him drunkenly storming out of the interview. Right. Maybe you do. I do be his Marin and Gallagher moment. Yeah, exactly. So in his next clip, this is where I think the booze is really getting good to Alex. And he gets super cocky about things he knows. Okay, for instance, you say something like this, you say, I'm telling you folks,

nerds are one of the most dangerous groups in this country because they end up running things. But they still hate everybody because they weren't the jocks in high school. He's reading in Alex Jones quote. Yeah. And this is under the like sort of still the conversation is about Alex sensationalize. Yes. So they play little dirty games on everybody. They use their brains to hurt people and I'm aware of them.

Okay, I see you little rats. Okay, you say something like that. So I sit there and I say, interesting. Fair enough. That's actually not a bad point. I remember. Are you sure? The guy that was a nerd 4.3 GPA, he didn't have any girls I wanted to get with him.

So he probably didn't get late till he was 22. So he says, I'm going to go out there and become so successful because this. Not a bad point. Fair. Okay, I'll take that right. But then you'll take that and you really shouldn't just take that trying to do what he's doing in Africa and he's trying to do this. And you know, he's not really somebody that's making and then you'll take it even deeper.

And so I sit there and I say, okay, let me go research Bill Gates. Maybe he's got a point here. So I'll go and do research hypothetically. Somebody that's a reader. Somebody likes to research. Somebody that's not a naive viewer that's just going to jump to conclusion. I do not want those people. Come on, Alex.

You're sensational. You're like, come on. Oh my God. Bill Gates, his dad headed up the army program on eugenics and was the head of Planned Parenthood. And he went on Bill Maher and said, we need to reduce world population. I got all the clips, man. Yeah, but Alex, you take it to point where the media sitting there saying a guy, okay, a naive mind can listen to somebody like you and you can really mess with a naive mind.

A naive mind who is not going to... Do you know about Cold Springs Harbor? Tell me about it. I mean, Bill Gates' dad ran it. Okay. IBM runs it now. Sure. So that is the main human genome eugenics center.

All right. All right. The whole deal. They trained the Nazis. Remember when I asked you a question? They trained the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute. There's Pulitzer Prize winning books. They have it all now.

For sure. Alex, what is this? Why are you asking? Why are they after me? Because I read the books. I've got their plan. Alex, if you know everything that you say you know and you got their plans, why are you still alive?

Well, they're murdering my name. They're assassinating me. Yeah, but you've said Hillary Clinton's, you know, her plan goes and you know, all these people that get close to her. So if you're opposing the most powerful Democrat in the marketplace, let's just say... Because they thought I was a joke. The way he says that is so forced that thought I was a joke. It is kind of him, I think, coming to terms with how he was viewed for a long time.

But then at the same time, he's using, like, he got so much mileage out of people thinking he's a joke. Yeah. And I... The best thing for him is when people think he's a joke. In the same way, like the room, you know, like... Yeah. You can pretend it was a satirical farce or whatever, but that's repurposing the response

that people had to it in order to pretend I was doing that all along. Yeah. Alex is doing the same thing, and he will, throughout this, the idea of, like, they thought I was a joke, which is what I was using in order to fly under the radar. Right. It's like, no, you weren't. That's absolutely not what you were doing. No, you were a joke.

The stuff about Cold Springs Harbor recovered in our end game coverage. I don't want to go back and go over all that. No, because we're going to have to do another documentary soon. Yeah. So go back and listen to that if you want to understand. Go back and listen to that 12 hours of our day. Nine. But, like, that's me saying, no.

In Deutsch. But, like, I don't know, that is just very dumb. Like, all of that's just very dumb, and him throwing out very broad, vague things to defend. Like, I got all this. I got all this. When you have someone like Bill Gates talking about how the population should be reduced, he's not talking about killing people. Yeah.

He's not talking about putting something into vaccines to kill everyone. He's talking about the holding capacities for resources in various parts of the world and how a lot of places are overburdened by massive populations that are not sustainable. Now, the other flip side of that is if you want to have the conversation about, like, well, they would be if we didn't treat the rest of the world like they're shit. Right. The conversation is much more reasonable and much more based in human humanity. Yeah.

You know, the idea that, like, oh, no, parts of Africa, they could have the amount of children that they do if we didn't hoard all of the money and didn't have a history of stealing all their resources for generations. You could say that. There is a better conversation to have about that than this stupid idea he has about Bill Gates who wants to kill off everybody with mosquito drones or whatever the fuck he believes. Well, what's interesting is that he asked a question that essentially inoculated himself from the answer.

What do you mean, a vaccine? Yeah. The question just being, like, you can fuck up a naive mind, which if you're capable of asking that question suggests that you do not have a naive mind. Right. So don't come at me with this weak bullshit, you know? I'm asking you a question that is saying, are you taking advantage of stupid people or are you believing you're bullshit?

But that's why Alex has to come back with, do you know about Cold Springs Harbor? Exactly, exactly. He has to come up with something that he is reasonably assured that the person he's talking to doesn't know about. Right. It's the same reason why- Fine, Alex, tell me about Cold Springs Harbor. Well, it's the same reason why when he was on Rogan's podcast and he was losing an argument

about chemtrails, he had to pull out subsection 50 US code. Yeah. Subsection 501 C9er. Right. He pulled that out because he knows that Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan don't know that subsection and he can use it to lie about it and pretend that he's an authority on information. He did the exact same thing. And pretend that he's answering the question when he's really changing the subject entirely.

And I will give Patrick credit for being like, okay. Yeah. Cool. Cool, bud. Yeah. All right. But now is where Alex gets fucking dark. This is where the interview turns because I think he recognized in what you pointed

out the like, you're dangerous to naive minds. It does lead Alex to realize that like, maybe Patrick isn't going to go along with everything I'm saying. Yeah. He's already shown that maybe he's not. And now it's just like, maybe I've just got to preach. And so he starts preaching and it's fucking dark as hell. They thought I was a joke, like a poison.

I titrated. They thought I was a joke. God worked. It wasn't me. We built up. They thought it was a joke. They used us against Trump. They kept thinking they were winning.

And now when the poison, the truth is so strong when the big dose hits them, they already have figured it out. And so I'm just over there. I'm the globalist lethal injection and I'm ready to die. So let's just be clear. I've already won. This is all gravy from this point on. So they, I'm already in the system.

I've already won. And they thought it was a joke. And now they just took their death dose. Really, I'm going to kill the new ruler. That's what they call me violent. That's what they hate me. I'm not physically hurting anybody, but the information is the end. It's their end of days.

You think so? No one can reverse it now. Yeah. No, it's true. Because humanity wants to live. That sounds like a terrorist. And they're the ones doing this. I studied their papers.

I studied their program and you ask why they're so afraid. They're so afraid because I've got their number and I'm not afraid to die. So that's it. That answers your question. So that's where you're at. Who cares if you ever get back on social media? I don't. You really don't.

The message, the transmission, everything else now is gravy. Here he said he wanted to get back on social media, but he wants to get back on this dark road about being willing to die. Well, I mean, now I don't want to get back on social media. Now that we've gone down this road, of course, I don't want to get back on social media. What if they let you back on social media? Well, of course, I want to get back on social media at the same time. I don't.

Well, yeah, but if I did, I do, but I don't, but I don't, because I won't. That's a one of only a number of times Alex contradicts himself to a rampant degree. So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's kind of exactly the same as that last one. He meant he's talking about how like I've completed my mission. Yeah. He really does have like that apocalyptic, like the two people who restart the evolutionary process at the end of a movie, you know, where it's like, they're, they're both, and

they hit a button and it's like, and they die as they hit that button. Yeah. We did it. And then the world reboots or whatever. Shit. It is. Well, I have a theory about that. It's a little bit dark and I apologize for it, but I think Alex Canadian TV show reboot

is actually going to be good when it's rebooted. I think Alex might kill himself. You think so? Yeah. I don't think so. I do. Based on the, I don't, I'm not saying that he's going to, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Yeah. Based on the level of like his life is a fucking mess. Yeah. And not just because of the Trump political stuff. Oh no, the whole thing. He is probably going to be successfully sued by a number of people just like as we're recording this, his PayPal has been taken away. Yeah.

His ability to process payments through PayPal. There's a really decent chance that his ex-wife is going to win that custody case. Yeah. I don't know cause we'd have no reason to know what's going on with that, but let's imagine a scenario where he ends up losing custody of his children. PayPal goes away. He's not allowed on social media. He's a multi-level marketing scheme guy who's just on the outermost fringes of stuff.

I think that there's a decent chance that what he's doing is largely laying the groundwork for him to become the next in the line of people he's talked about on his own show. People like Andrew Breitbart who Alex lies and says was murdered when he had a fucking heart attack. Yeah. Already had a heart attack was way out of shape and was doing tons of blow. Yeah. The DC madam who've absolutely killed herself and Alex pretends was murdered by the globalists.

All of the people he uses Larry Nichols to back up being Arkansas. Yeah. Killed by the Clintons. Yeah. Gary Webb who very clearly killed himself who Alex pretends is murdered. I think that there's a decent chance that what we're witnessing is the propaganda campaign towards his death. Now at the same time I recognize that he has such a massive ego and is not really like

the idea of killing yourself to further your own narrative is also kind of involves self-sacrifice because you are dead. Yeah. And you can't enjoy the people lying about your death. Yeah. So it does kind of not match his psychology but the way he's behaving really really scares me. It's very troubling on a certain level because that is a path I could see this going down.

I mean I see him self-destructing. I don't see him like OK. So here's it. Here's it. So maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I see him more like he recognizes that he's such a drunk at this point that he knows eventually

I'm going to fall down the stairs. So I might as well. Yeah. I might as well play the groundwork of if anything happens to me. I didn't do it. Right. No. I was drunk one night and I tripped and I fell off a bridge and I drowned in a puddle.

I achieved my mission and no matter what happens the globalists are yet to find out what they find out the problem. Take me out. This is all gravy. Pick up. Yeah. I worry about that. I'm not entirely sure.

And it'd be super irresponsible to say like that is what's going to happen. But I feel shades of I would never hurt myself from someone who is preparing to hurt themselves. I hope that's not the case and I hope it's well once again I think our ultimate advice to Alex is get some help get talk to somebody talk to somebody please. There is help available. Yeah. You're hurting yourself and your kids. Yeah.

Like this is not OK. Yeah. As much as we fucking despise you for real go talk to a professional. If all like fuck you but your kids don't deserve this. Yeah. And I know that people's personal lives are not like on the table for us to discuss but it would be irresponsible for us to not recognize that like if he was a swing and bachelor I don't think I would care.

No. I would not care but his actions affect people who don't have any reason to be hurt. Yeah. There's so many people who are the human aftermath. No. If Gavin McGinnis was doing this interview I'd be like oh sweet kill yourself. Oh my god. Kill yourself so much.

Yeah. Gavin has children too. Kill yourself. OK. Well I'd still say that. And all of his children are the paramilitary knights of no. So that's all dark and I don't I don't know how grounded it is but it's something I'm afraid of.

Hey everybody Dan here sorry I just had to butt in because there's a little bit of a situation when I was trying to record this episode with Jordan there was one clip that didn't upload into my iTunes where I play all the clips from and unfortunately we missed it. Now normally this would be a situation where I would say you know that's too bad we missed one thing that you know is relevant to talk about but unfortunately this clip is actually a pretty major piece of what adds to the darkness of this element of this interview and so kind of be incomplete for us to talk about this episode without this clip being a part of it.

Unfortunately I'm sitting here now adding this piece in without Jordan here and maybe that's for the best actually because I think Jordan would never stop screaming after hearing this this clip but here it is Alex Jones talking about how he has taken his licks and he needs to take his licks for going up against the globalists. Everything else now is gravy everything else is just getting ready to meet God whatever he be a real man I gotta take my licks I'm ready everything else now take my licks is that why you know my kids gotta take the licks my family's gotta take the licks I gotta take the licks I'm ready to take the licks let's get it going here somebody with God forever

doesn't matter anymore I'm taking my licks see that's how God works it's not just a system where everybody's a coward and sells out no there's people that aren't cowards there's people that are dedicated to the truth and are ready to go all the way and not just put themselves in the line but their whole families so. You got three kids Alex you got four you got four kids yeah I thought you had ten to fifteen year old right ten ten or fifteen year old I got a sixteen month old right up to a sixteen year old sixteen month old right up to a sixteen year old and there's no this exterminist program is anti-human and if I don't do this they have no future anyways and that's the liberating

understanding is that if I don't commit to the truth and take this they have no future so what you have here is Alex Jones very clearly expressing that he's willing to put his family in very serious danger for the beliefs that he has now I don't know how to talk about this necessarily other than to say that this is a incredibly ugly and irresponsible this is terrible parenting this is the sort of thing that I think should be played in his custody hearings because as you hear he's expressing that my kids are going to have to take their licks which is I don't know I don't know what to say about it other than I'm glad Jordan's not here because he would be absolutely furious about that anyway back to the show but in

this next clip Alex is forced to talk about Pizza Gate a little bit Patrick brings up Pizza Gate and there's something interesting I really want you to track here and that is the difference in the way that Alex talks about the wiki leaks on his own show and in this interview with Patrick I'm on fire wait you've seen nothing yeah I've seen nothing so this whole thing with pizza gate theory none of the stuff that you have they well the Catholic Church running John Petalfall rings that's confirmed and the fact that was in the wiki leaks that there were these John child kidnapping rings NBC ABC CNN they focused on a pizza place in DC to divert everyone like a broken you like a modern bird the mother

acts like it's wings broken so we had it all like the kids are going to be in the hot tub and Obama wants the hot dogs $65,000 worth we were covering that and then they diverted off to DC and people covered it and I said oh yeah that's not what was going on so they go oh my god that affiliate doesn't exist so the way the way he talks about it when he's on his own show is to say like juicy hot dogs juicy succulent hot dogs and then when he talks about that hot tub one is like these kids are so willing they might resist but they want to have fun like all that stuff which isn't in the wiki leaks he's strictly speaking on this he's accurately presenting things he's not making the same insinuations

that he does on his own broadcast because he knows that he's not talking to the same people and he has been shown that Patrick isn't going to give him the same leeway that he expects right from his own audience right if he had said like yeah and the wiki leaks said that Obama wanted all these succulent juicy young hot dogs right he would have been like really also okay well no he just said hot dogs if you drive down Lawrence Avenue here in Chicago Illinois you will pass I don't remember the name of the place but there is a hot dog joint there that has painted on their wall provider of hot dogs to the White House oh yeah yeah yeah you will see yeah that's an elaborate scam if it's

all about male prostitutes hey what are you gonna do hot dog place literally in Chicago I've never been in there I don't know I have but have you did you bring a gun I did suck a gun a male prostitutes pick no it's such nonsense it's such crazy nonsense but he's much closer to what the actual emails say yeah and it's intentional it's not yeah yeah so in this next clip Alex just sort of rambles about how great he is he is great and what I'm saying is is that I'm dead already I already passed the river sticks so everything I'm doing now is perfect see this is the kamikaze mission people think humanity just takes this stuff no the spirit of humanity manifests itself in resistance and so that's what's happened

it's not about it's not about me it's about what do we do to Hollywood what do we do the corrupt blood blood Republicans what do we do the Democrats what do we do to let them know we're still alive and that's what I've done it doesn't mean you know that things don't get a little messy in this thing grandpa we just want to check it little kids define messy I didn't watch the wars that killed millions of people I didn't ship in the narcotics that killed millions of people but how is it I am the bad guy grandpa we're at the zoo talk to you I'm the guy that get me hurt I'm the guy that's gotta be banned there's gotta be reason for it though well it's because the mainstream media are good people I mean Apple

and Google and Facebook are not grandpa I think you're full of shit and they're protecting you from Alex Jones that's why these are good people these are sweet boys Mark Zuckerberg he called his users dumb fuckers but he didn't mean that he's an angel he's a sweetie pie and so is Nancy Pelosi and so is Michael Moore they're not bad people they're good people at least you just roll over because you saw what happened Alex Jones is he gonna fall asleep soon him so you better sit down and shut up who are you talking to do whatever we say here you're gonna pay and see some people don't care some people don't care who's some people people that are awakening the people that are about to bring this corrupt world

down and build a new world up glass glass you heard ice yeah I swirling in the glass no big deal I mean the what do you but Patrick's doing there is almost employing the Errol Morris school yeah yeah just let him keep going yeah what do you think is gonna happen next they're coming for they're coming for the children there's some great folks whose children your children my children children's children and we will bring humanity to the next level okay alright wow did he seem like he was about to fall asleep there yeah and in this next clip holy shit you the grandiosity that he's manifesting about like the reason that they need to take me out is I'm the only threat to the literal world government yep

yep the literal like what he imagines that he's up against is a confluence of all global power yes and they are so afraid of him that they need to kick him off social media right when he's still allowed to get his message out through his own channels absolutely of course they don't take him out on in that front at all and this is where he might misinterpret Texas history okay and then and then it was always the white man's whenever we came here it was shaped exactly like Texas is shaped right now is the white man state no nobody remembers that no no this is about him thinking that he's Colonel Travis okay which is hilarious based on the truth of Colonel Travis but then the second piece of it is that he also blasphemes

of course who's who's backing you up right now who's calling you saying hey I'm gonna go out down fight for you the strongest thing you can do is have nobody having your back oh my god oh my god it's like no it's like that you know are you sore on what's going on here fight my five thousand everybody dies but they knew that was gonna happen they were so pissed off that when Travis drove the line the sand almost everybody stood across it so see these are real sacrifices now you're talking about money where they do a little kid and all these people run that powerful it's about giving yourself for Christ's like so it'll be remember info wars we remember Alex Jones when we win this and watch the next phase of human expansion you think

what you're doing right now is Christ's life yes I think standing up for what's right being fearless and building a future is in the spirit of Christ I wouldn't say it's Christ yeah he had allies right I mean even his Judas let you say you backstab them but he's just had a lot of allies huh no I'm out of the 12 you you don't think people back them up Luke Mark Matt you don't think so I'm asking who's on your side right now yeah that's what I'm telling you my dad that we've already changed the world but I need to taste my life business holy shit that's insane that is crazy so that is first of all I'm Colonel Travis paranoid delusions of grandiosity I think I've ever heard in my entire life do you think that what you're doing is Christ like yes well

I'm doing is in the spirit of Christ I'm not Christ like what I drew a line in the sand and you have 70 Sam stepped over that one so I drew another line in the sand and then you have 70 Sam stepped over that one and eventually I tricked him and he fell over the cliff I mean like anyways I'm Jesus the parallels with Colonel Travis are fucking real I know but they aren't what Alex wants them to be the parallels of him being a drunk fuck up who ruined people's lives for a really long time and then accidentally stumbled into being at the Alamo they get very similar to Alex he screwed tons of people's lives on his path towards accidentally being in the right place for Roger Stone and Steve Pacanik to manipulate him into being a part of the election here the

election is his Alamo but he's been he didn't die yeah that's basically what he should have died he really wishes he had died yes he is a man who wishes for death well it's the only thing that would really validate yeah his narratives and dying and that's why I'm kind of afraid of him hurting himself yeah but that's why he that's why I'm not so on our last present day episode we noticed a couple things or Alex was completely invalidating his entire life philosophy where he called for federal troops to go to the border right they should be completely completely completely counter to his state's right put them on the other side put them on the other side there are a line in that sense so there are other instance of that but in the next clip like I could not

believe he said this Mike down for this one so let me flip that on you do you believe in background checks with guns I believe in the second amendment I think criminals are gonna get guns regardless but I do think with mental health other issues as long as it's become draconing and I think a background checks probably good so a background check that does maybe if you're on prescription right now you're taking pro zags whatever it is some of the medication list that we have that is either for bipolar or whatever you know things that we just talked about those folks can't get a gun you're okay with that here's the thing 30% of women are on those drugs about 15% of men and a lot of people don't act like maniacs when they're on it but I say this before you

restrict my right people that are on those drugs when the insert says it can make you be a killer they should be looked at I think if somebody has been diagnosed as psychotic and is on those drugs there should be a database and you shouldn't be able to have a farm that's relevant to but like that is so counter to Alex's beliefs the idea that he's sitting with this guy and saying in any way it's okay for a background check yeah any kind of like regulation about guns is so counter to his beliefs because he believes that like gun registration is the exact same thing is taken away people's guns one step towards gun control is all of the steps so for him to be saying yeah yeah if you were diagnosed with a mental illness you shouldn't be able to have a gun because another

piece of his narrative is the globalist just want to give you false diagnoses in order to make sure you can't have guns exactly so all of this is bullshit that's so exactly the opposite what he believes but because he's sitting there with a guy who's clearly not putting up with his bullshit he's having to sort of mitigate he's having to come to the middle a little bit because he knows that his normal shit is not gonna well he's he's drunk enough to be at that point where it's like well look I mean nobody's crazy of course crazy people shouldn't have guns right I'm not an insane person that I would say that crazy people should be allowed to have you know what it is you know what it is I think it's that but he's recognizing I do believe that crazy people

should have exactly but it's way too hard for me to defend that to someone who's going to ask a second question yeah exactly so I'm just going to fucking play the middle yeah yeah yeah I mean sometimes there should be sometimes there shouldn't be if there is that he's a friend to me then there shouldn't be but I'm gonna give up on all my principles because this conversation is gonna be way too hard yeah which is great on one level I'm like I admire that strategy yeah it validates everything you believe and puts into question your principles as a whole yeah but congratulations you know you go you go to Thanksgiving and somebody's like ah you know the problem with the government is you're like ah do you know what I would like some ice cream you

can continue on well I eat ice cream because fucking I'm out well there's a difference between a uncomfortable Thanksgiving conversation and a televised interview yeah there is a little bit of that not on television but it's the equivalent of modern days yeah so at this point Patrick wants to go down the road of like he's trying to get back to the sensationalism stuff that Alex still hasn't really addressed he's been trying to get that answer from Alex and he's not giving it so he goes a different tack initially I asked what caused this is it self-inflicted you know is it something that happened is there a blind spot is there a blind spot like you know a lot of times in business you know entrepreneurs business people have blind spots with this do you think one of

the blind spots for you is sometimes you get so excited and animated and your energy like your words come out so fast because your brain is going a million miles an hour that sometimes you catch yourself overselling something oh definitely I'll tune in last week okay I was talking about how Anderson Cooper had pushed the Arab Spring and I take the show that Sunday show I take usually it's a live show but I take it I'm in the hot tub of my kids at my parents house about to go eat dinner and I hear myself say Tucker Carlson pushed the CIA invasion of the Arab Spring and he's a jerk and I'm like that was Anderson Cooper and I literally called Anderson Cooper and I said you probably won't hear about it but I apologize that he said oh it's he thought it was funny but but

yeah no I totally sometimes like you hear your rebroadcast you're like god I'm an idiot and when you're not all calculating you get things wrong sometimes so definitely I get things wrong sometimes 99% of the time I'm right though how was that saying that were you okay saying that are you okay well no no I get things wrong that's true yeah am I fundamentally trying to get wrong no are you because when I'm sitting there I hear myself say something that's totally BS I'm like wow do you know what double you know what double talk is right oh good question oh oh so man that is a devastating question kind of becoming therapy that is devastating oh yeah okay are you yeah now no if I heard my therapist say that after I said something he was just like

how did that feel saying that I've been like fuck you I am out of this shit fuck you with that don't come at me with this motherfucker how did it feel to say that shit fuck you fuck you I'm out of here sometimes it's a relevant question it is a relevant question in this case especially so the other thing too is they like I think you buried the lead and that is that he's sitting in a hot tub with his kids listening to his own I know I really don't know why that was okay I don't know why that's okay I would never listen to my own show out loud there's never a time good god knows I barely want to listen to the show after we record it and I edit it and stuff like that but like if I do headphones baby oh yeah I can't imagine the idea of being caught by someone

like listening to my own show oh no legitimately anytime somebody asked me in person like what show do you do I'm like oh don't don't don't worry about it no no no and then also all of this kids are under 16 so like the idea that he's playing his own show for them in a hot tub his parents hot tub gross it's just it's a fucking you know like even if look if LeBron James told a story where he was hanging out with his kids watching highlights of the 2017 NBA finals I'd be like a little narcissistic that's still gross yeah at least he's not espousing racism during the game speaking which LeBron's gonna come back how is LeBron gonna come back up he's gonna come up all right so fine in that clip Alex has taken responsibility only for mixing up Anderson

Cooper and Tucker Carlson's name also did he did he say that he called Anderson you meant to say Tucker Carlson okay it's pretty clear that he meant to say I called Tucker and apologized for mixing you up with Anderson Cooper got you but he said Anderson in the process in the process of talking about a situation where he mixed up Tucker Carlson and Anderson Cooper yeah mixed up Tucker Carlson and Anderson Cooper that that threw me for a loop when I first heard it as well like you didn't call Anderson Cooper but I do believe he could call Tucker so I think that sounds right yeah so he's willing to take responsibility for mixing up base facts in terms of like I got the name wrong or something like that and Patrick pushes back I made a statement but no one knows

I made a double talk safe I don't think it's double talk to say sometimes I get somebody's name completely wrong not name no no not name I'm talking sensationalizing something I'm talking here's what happened but let me tell you what else Hillary did let me tell you what else Barack did let me tell you what else you know boy good bush or 9 11 let me tell you what else and then you take it to hold it like that just say to seven it's a crisis you take it 11 undoubtedly I've exaggerated but usually it's like the opposite okay so Alex you have exaggerated wait wait in a question where and he explains do you know what double talk is Alex then goes of course I've done this but I don't do that most of the time I under exaggerate bad bad bad bad bad Alex

bad I'm telling you I know exactly why this guy is good at running a multi-level marketing scheme yeah shrewd and fucking direct yeah yeah I mean I this is two hours long I've cut out a lot of like him just sort of there's a lot of meandering yeah there's a lot of there's a number of times that he goes down the wrong avenue you know but I still can see what he's trying to do and I like I get I get the point of this question but it's kind of like you're you're dealing with Alex Jones this is the wrong time see he's a but he's a salesman though yeah this guy is definitely doing all the he's doing all of the salesman tricks of like oh poke a little bit here you don't like that well I'll come back to that later once I've softened you up over here and then I'll poke you

over here again and oh you're not ready for that yet but that's no big deal he's a plate spinner exactly you got to keep this one going over here then right here spin that right starting to slow down right and exactly what you're talking about pizza gate came up earlier now it comes back up and it is much more problematic this time around because Alex has just admitted that he exaggerates exactly yeah let's just say I'm a true believer in the Alex Jones and what he says because a lot of people are you got a big following and suddenly you say if this is one this is no no no no no then somebody goes and shoots outside well let's talk about that but let's talk about let's talk about it we have the WikiLeaks in New York that's exactly what we were talking about all devil

worship Alice or Crowley stuff it's in there okay and we've got like it coming out with wiener all of it all right and then suddenly New York Times Washington Post CNN say no pizza gate which was FBI code words where they use pizza Italian food names for pedophilia is this place we go look it isn't there the media then focuses on us reporting on other reports to say we're saying that that's happening here as a way to demonize us and black out all the other coverage of what's going on the other subject that's what's going on with pizza gate okay you did it again nice I told you what happens I'm I told you okay that's what happened we didn't regenerate we didn't create the pizza gate story mainstream media grew up by taking that approach okay so you lost credibility the moment

you go that approach nice oh my god this is so nice this is did this just turn into business counseling nice you screwed up you screwed up you didn't you didn't start it but you screwed up by doing what you did wow yeah well Alex is lying about what he did still of course but Patrick is only responding to what Alex is lying to him about in the man yeah but if you were actually responding to like Alex literally but he's saying I'm only responding to the Washington Post New York Times reporting that conspiracy theorists are saying that there's a sex club at this pizza place that's bullshit he's responding to like Reddit and 4chan having all of these posts about this stuff and him being like we played the clip that he took off the internet where he's like you

know what it's fucked up you got to check out their menus you got to see what this is all about it's a dark rabbit hole to go down you got to investigate it for yourself yeah which is what led that guy to show up there with a gun exactly so why is it that a giant piece of shit is the only one who's interviewing Alex the best way well it's maybe because he's the only person that Alex feels safe with and has access to him yeah you know it but like there's no Alex would never agree to be interviewed by us oh yeah I wouldn't want to do it yeah people like us or like even the behind the bastards guy yeah I could see him doing a pretty good job of interviewing Alex perhaps but you'd never agree to do that it's too dangerous right this probably seemed like a really

right possibility you need a you need a mafia sting operation for Alex you need to have somebody like a you need to push the way into the world and then all of a sudden you feel safe and then finally you need someone like Patrick Ben bet David to interview him but beforehand talk to someone like us yeah that is the probably the way you would ever pin him in an interview yeah you need someone like us or there are other people not just us but someone who knows the deal I mean I suppose a team of PhDs who have studied propaganda is their entire lives they could probably help probably but what I would have done has been like hey Patrick your life story invalidates Alex's rhetoric let's start there at some point in the interview bring up your refugee history at some

point bring up the fact that you had to flee Iran during the Iraq Iran war and that you are now now granted don't bring up the fact that you're a con man but you have now become a productive member of American society and you are ostensibly a success disagree I think that's the wrong way to go I think it's totally no because if he brings up the refugee thing then all Alex is gonna do is gonna be like oh hey no no no you don't understand you guys have always gotten this wrong you guys always paint us conservatives as being the the people who are against illegal immigration we're for immigration just legal immigration no no no admittedly we want to make it impossible for you to legally right immigrate so now let's imagine that that would be Alex's response yeah have Patrick

have transcripts of things that Alex has said about people like him and then Alex would you're taking those out of context bar smash the table and then run out the door but then you just say oh well the smash the table run out the door there's nothing you can do about that right but assuming he doesn't do that and he says like you're taking this out of context please explain the context but see that's where I go to the third question I go the other direction you said start with your personal story don't put it I'm not saying I'm not I'm not I'm not when I said I mean that like you did it's a jumping yeah yeah no no not as where we begin the interview but that is something you could throw at him right that would be a deep deep it's a it's a arrow in your

quiver right yeah and a big one but you said leave out the part where you're con man well I'm just saying for presentation sake see I say lead with being the con man well that's how you that's how you get familiarity exactly that's how you get rapport go with it go with it hey you know what I'm trying to run my game you're trying to run your game let your guard down cameras are off yeah don't worry about this yeah anyways go into that bathroom you're still miked up you killed everybody right burp so I all this is to say I don't know this could have been done better but at the same time I really do appreciate Patrick pushing back on Alex's like what he's trying to tell you fucking do he's telling a story about Pete's gate and Patrick is like this is where

you fucked up right understand that this is right this is where you fucked up so this has the feel of Alex was called into the principal's office mm-hmm and it was like hey look you did something wrong it's not what you did was wrong it's that you did it wrong it's not that you cheated on me it's that you lied about exactly or something yeah sure so Alex lies more about pizza gate stuff and Patrick it's trying his best to be like do you understand what you're saying and then there is the shooting what if you wouldn't have gone that route what if it was just purely educational what if it was just I'm gonna there's no doubt there's no doubt when I see the New York Times the Washington Post CNN Shane the conspiracy theorists say there's a sex

club in this place in DC and then we cover it and they say I did it you better believe now I don't cover that as it's fair to say that you understand that I never covered that pizza place until the Washington Post the New York Times and CNN did not true and then 410 which is a bunch of operatives supplied all the BS okay 4 chain is a bunch of operatives bunch of operatives whether or not that's true Alex very recently found Antifa contracts with George Soros organizations on 4chan and has been reporting it is true well even if he got burned during pizza gate by believing things from 4chan he didn't change he didn't change all operatives right right whatever and then my reporters there's only four of them you understand we didn't create that story but you have been

talking about parts of that no the media are you talking people on the street I was about to do that fuck you pizza gate and I'm like I didn't create that story and like they go they walk up and they go but I had a lady walk up two days ago when I was in the grocery store I was buying cherries and cheese and like food for the hamburger meat I like walks over she goes f you stop harassing the Sandy Hook families I looked at her I said lady I questioned that five years ago what other people did and she goes f you Russian that's what the media told her yeah let's stay on this topic let's not know I'm glad to Sandy Hook in this interview so I don't want to go back to Sandy Hook no but that's all they talk about I don't want to talk about that I want

good let's not talk about it I believe it happened and I'm sorry the family fair enough God damn it stop saying let's say let's take it again let's stay focused on this topic here when you hear that bang that's him hitting his fist on the table yeah he's just going like I didn't say it yeah you did this is the this is the moment man this is what it's hard man this is crazy so in the next clip I'm gonna skip it because we have enough to get through already he's just gonna say that Megan Kelly took him out of context and there's a really funny moment really well he's like they edited everything and Patrick's like of course they did they're making a show yeah Alex good work Alex I have I have tape of everything that'll prove me right what do you mean they don't have

production readings on air but the more important thing is that he's he's trying to present himself as a victim again he's like they took me out of context do you know how that feels yeah that's your entire career Alex yeah all you do is take people out of context every single right but it makes it very hard to have any empathy oh yeah no for him but then the theme of Pete's gate continues and Alex says something that I think is he is super fucked up and I didn't know with something he might believe this is really bad you know that's one of the fundamental themes there's a man versus man right man versus nature robot man versus robot technology robot and then Pete's gate right like those of them let's tell Pete's

gate fair let's go Pete's gate look I'm gonna re remind you what you just said to me about two minutes ago you said I didn't bring up Pete's gate other people did and then I started talking about it right fine that's kind of like you saying I didn't invent guns John Doe did I just used it so you took that story that they started talking about and then you sensationalized it and a guy went out there and shot the place so the part when you're asking now the media said that some out of work actor hooked into them that no one even proved shot the place did that it's like I would even ask for someone what holy shit now Alex's conspiracy is that that shooting at Comet ping pong didn't happen he just false flag his own false flag wow wow that's and I don't

really appreciate that Patrick didn't push back on that because that's what are you what do you say to that I don't know what do you say to that other than like are you just gonna not acknowledge reality ever well I think the only thing you can do as the interviewer in this case is make sure that he says specifically what he means and Patrick doesn't do that right what Alex is saying is that shooting didn't happen it was an worker a worker for the globalist is an out of work actor that the media got to do this and it was all fake right so the idea then if you're the interviewer is to say what do you mean by that please say specifically what you mean right without tricking without without Alex realizing he's being tricked into specifically right that

shooting didn't happen right right because then now you know who the victim of that shooting was James Alophontus yeah the owner of Comet ping pong pizza who already threatened to sue Alex and got a public apology from him yeah so now if he's on this new platform where he's being interviewed he's I apologize for something that didn't even happen he's saying that the shooting is fake that is now James Alophontus has standing to reopen that lawsuit yeah that he allowed Alex to not have the consequences of because Alex issued a public retraction this could be really fucking damaging for Alex you know what's crazy though is that this is stopped sounding like an interview to me and started more sounding like a like I'm taking an employee into the back to explain why they

cleaned up the floors wrong yeah there's like this really does have a sound of like look I don't think what you're doing is bad I think you're bad at doing it there is kind of that feel to it yeah and part of that comes from Patrick Bet David's David's like his background is entrepreneur and and being sort of like a advice guy yeah that sort of thing I think that his sort of worldview and his his modus operandi is kind of that coaching yeah and he's kind of trying to like Alex how can you do what you do better right right right do you understand that you fucked up you don't and I when he went it's clear that like no he doesn't understand listen there's nothing to do other than keep asking questions as well as you can I think you're a great dictator and I really

like the way you're going about it however do you think you made some mistakes what is your fault here what do you think you could improve upon I imagine Paul pot would admit to more mistakes than how it is in this interview so at this point I killed Derek and I fucking loved that guy man at this point I think that Patrick kind of recognizes that the roads that he's been going down are kind of fruitless yeah the idea of the sensationalism the idea of like why aren't other people kicked off that say the same things as you right the idea of like he already got him to admit that he exaggerates stuff so that's a win right but in terms of actually getting anywhere with the pizza gate or Sandy Hook which again Alex brought up himself yeah because apparently

that's the only thing that's breaking Alex's brain right now I think he realizes nothing we can do about this let's try and pivot on to just like hot topics and so he asked he asks him about college now we're gonna do the lightning round Alex what do we got here he asks him about education and they pay very close attention to Alex burping up booze while he answers this question about how much he hates college what is your thoughts on a current educational system I think it's a total scam like restaurant ball used to say I went to college I could have gotten to UT and I already had a couple jobs I was making like more than the professors were I was making a hundred thousand dollars a year and I knew the professors were making like forty thousand dollars a year it was

all this anti-American crap so I was in sales and a bunch of the stuff and I was like 19 years old and so I just thought it was more of an indoctrination thing so real quick if he was making a hundred thousand dollars in sales as a 19 year old there's a decent chance that back then he was working in some sort of a cutco MLM type he might have been a very successful sales con man back then entirely possible a hundred thousand dollars as a 19 year old with no experience is an incredible amount I think he's exaggerating but if you take him at his word what realistically probably was happening because he's making much less than that but it was some sort of con thing like that yeah I don't know we only have his information to go on and he's a liar so who knows exactly what he's

talking about but it seems like it seems like that might be his entire career and life so I went to community college for two years and that's why I got a you know modern education which I think isn't actually getting ready for the real world I think it's politically kind of just indoctrinating you know that's where I stand on do you mean it was hard I think education is great it was hard to live it's based on what's really going on like engineering or things like that but I have trouble reading general degrees now are joke so stem you need school anything outside of stem you don't necessarily need to go to school that kind of what you're saying yeah I mean people need to you know no engineering they know they're gonna probably a lawyer go to school but mainly

some thing about getting in big debt okay mainly the concern is that they're gonna get into big debt do you have a strong opinion on how you would improve it because I'm curious I'm curious to know if there's one two three things you say here's what we could do with the education system to prove or it's a non-top and non-issue the educational system is about political indoctrination so I would fix it by making it based on real up-to-date real-world application for engineering for culture for science for jobs not about being politically indoctrinated so they are basically political cults now and education all of those things are political applications is worthless today in 2018 okay interesting there is no one of those things that he mentioned that is not inherently

political fair enough but even take that out of it just use his words he's saying that the problem with education is that it's political brainwashing so what you need to do is change it and make it about engineering culture he says culture in what it's supposed to be about what are you saying why would a he's trying to make it sound like what he's advocating is just like you know it you just need to go in mostly about training for jobs and being a lawyer being an engineer but the fact that his brain immediately goes to culture being a part of it leads me to believe he's just like well I want just I want our whiteness to be a part of this yeah when you say culture most people think like oh you mean humanities and the arts and what he means is indoctrinating people

into accepting the white culture that we have well because his problem why he thinks that like colleges are brainwashing dens and what have you is because of the idea of like plurality and diversity that exists on campuses and that the college students protest things that he supports yep boy anyway this next clip is my furthest firmest evidence that Alex Jones is fucking shit house yeah Patrick brings up David Brock and Alex comes up with a joke oh no David Brock no drunk Alex jokes are not good David Brock if you don't know is the guy who runs media matters yeah and Alex hates him because he's a conduit for Soros shit sure but but Alex comes up with a joke and won't let it go oh no I mean David Brock is basically George Soros' toilet so whatever

so George Soros craps out on us is into David Brock so David Brock is just a soulless globalist that takes hundreds of millions of dollars to attack the First Amendment infiltrate media organizations engage in all sorts of horrible activities I mean David Brock is just a absolutely treacherous individual it's this country again he's George Soros' toilet so who you got his mouth is who his mouth is the toilet bowl got it I like that better I fully get it I get it dude I get it dude so you fucking nailed it all right this next part is awesome to me because there is a question that a lot of people should be asking Alex Jones that no one really thinks to ask yeah and that is do you wax or do you shave boxes or briefs bro yeah no it's about 9-11 now I don't like to dive too

deep into Alex's 9-11 beliefs because I just don't think that that's super productive I think there's a lot of other people who have covered it and I think do that on your own I don't I just don't like it all that much but there is a really essential question that is you talk a lot about 9-11 what do you know about it let's talk about 9-11 since today is 9-11 point did you come out when you came out and you talked about what you thought was taking place with 9-11 who was really behind a 9-11 with what you've studied over the years and what you've spoken about I don't know who's behind it oh seems like you should really know if you're the guys on your show you definitely presented as if you know who do you say it is that's fascinating the idea that he's saying who you've

done years and years of reason years and years of reason talk about it all the time you know exactly who did it who's behind it I don't know I don't fucking know it could be anybody you know those terrorists might have done it who the fuck knows this is the exact same thing as what we talked about earlier he has a like a pitch that he'd like to go into but he recognizes that Patrick's gonna ask him another question yeah and he knows like oh shit this isn't gonna work yeah I'll just fucking say I don't know whoever you think did it so he rambles a bit and eventually lands on Dick Cheney as being sort of a culprit which see now that I'm actually fine with when he brings up the project for a new American Century document the rebuilding America's defenses and he says this

which is very unfair Dick Cheney wrote rebuilding America's defenses a year before 9-11 PNAC document and it says we want a new Pearl Harbor that kills at least 3,000 people that says this it doesn't and we want to use bio weapons to kill the buzz and back then I was more of a liberal Muslims wait what I wait did you just say back then I was more of a liberal no I still didn't want to kill I had to listen to that like three times because I thought that's what he said he says I was more of a liberal back then and I still don't want to kill all the most oh okay he's really doesn't know it's so close they really doesn't like so I didn't want to kill all the now of course I thought like oh my god how drunk are you that you said that yeah but no it's clear

if you really listen to it he's saying back then I was more liberal but I also still don't want to kill the most okay so that that but boy oh boy that was a hair trim and all of the awesome America's taste when picked it up but that was an Oscar say Dick Cheney says we got race specific weapons and the problem is it'll kill 22% of whites and like 70% of blacks because Arabs are a mix of the two what but we should be ready to release it and I'm like reading this what in the peanut documents right after I love it happen I hadn't read it before it happened and they're talking about killing everybody and they're talking about world government and I mean these are public stuff you're gonna read this you can I like the idea that he sort of thinks that

Middle East are like chocolate and vanilla swirl so yeah so white people are white black people are black brown people obviously that's just white bulls black that makes perfect yeah Jesus Christ so that is what we're dealing with isn't it that's what these people elementary level yeah these that's what these people genuinely are like is like oh well Chinese is just like a part of this place and then strawberry you know yeah it's the same shit it's Neapolitan yeah so the the the project for a new American Century the P-neck document rebuilding America's defenses is like it's it's sort of a boogeyman for the anti-right part of Alex's career yeah he made a lot of hay out of this and a lot of people who are sort of left leaning Alexey types will bring that up

as like proof that these people did 9-11 and I resent that a little bit and this is always difficult because like it is bad like you look at the document it's fucking bad yeah but they exaggerate how bad it is yeah the notorious P-neck document is it's a pretty shitty document that does absolutely lead one to suspect that should the people who wrote this sort of thing get into power they might choose to not take credible threats too seriously in order that they might be able to exploit a tragedy in order to push through the policies that they're in favor of that in no way proves that they quote did 9-11 but still should earn all their asses a trip to the Hague to Alex's part about the race yeah it's like I don't think there's proof that Cheney was behind

9-11 but I do think Cheney very easily could have been behind 9-11 very easily could have had you know he could have had a part in not accepting threats because this is the sort of thing that they would like to happen exactly in order to perpetuate their agenda it's possible that that's the case I'm not gonna make a YouTube video about it the part that Alex is talking about about them wanting to have a bunch of deaths isn't it's not in there all the passage that he is referencing is a quote further the process of transformation even if it brings revolutionary changes likely to be a long one absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor but again this doesn't prove that they did 9-11 nor does it say anywhere in the

document they needed 3,000 people dead all that shits nonsense that would be a weirdly specific number like is that some sort of well we had a we had a statistics guy go back through history and we found that any good catalyzing event that allows us to transform a country into what there's a man goes a lot requires about 3,000 deaths above that you can still go below that people don't care as much now as to Alex is part about race specific bio weapons he's talking he's taking that exclusively from one passage quote information systems will become an important focus of attack particularly for us enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces and advanced forms of biological warfare that can quote target specific genotypes may

transform biological warfare from the realm of terrorism to a particular politically useful tool so they're talking about people attacking the United States huh it's important that you realize one thing the name of the document is rebuilding America's defenses and that the entire context of the passage is discussing threats that the United States might face in the coming years as technologies evolve and malevolent actors gain various unforeseen advantages so they're talking about hypothetical things that could be stuff we need to protect against as opposed to we have developed race specific bio weapons right right Alex is completely taking this out of context which earlier in this interview he's crying about other people doing to him right now the

other thing you need to take into consideration that's very important is genotype is not the same thing as race what Dan but I went to community college for a couple of years and I learned all the STEM fields are you telling me that they didn't throw that in there when he's saying that certain weapons that could target a genotype are conceivably things we should be worried about someone developing yeah like the black or type the white or type the yeah that's not the same thing as a race specific bio weapon according to the NIH quote strict categories exclusive and exhaustive in which each human being is assignable without ambiguity to one and only one race and the basis of genetic characteristics are unattainable the genetics cannot provide a

single definitive human classification system for which to address the many facets of health differences so would you say that race is almost a not thing race primarily exists as a social construct and that's the game that Alex is operating under yet he tries to use it as some sort of a scientific thing to bolster narratives like this no none of this is to defend Cheney none of this is not he did not learn sure none of this is to defend any of that but it's super unfair so the this saying like oh that's where your idea of race specific bio weapons come I got bad news you're wrong so they're actually bio weapons that scan the color of your skin right right yeah they don't work on any kind of genetics they have like optics there's a computer it's like drones

yeah you do it you do it it's fine yeah so this is a load of bullshit you know the most race specific bio weapon is a white guy with a gun oh yeah certainly isn't that a really specific really race specific bio weapon especially when it's a cop yeah so let's take this back a second Patrick was saying that like what do you know about 9-11 Alex said I don't know nothing I don't know who did it now Patrick has a follow-up question here that is deeply problematic for Alex's entire sense of self you make it easy sometimes for these people to take shots at you some people also on the flip side say listen Alex could have contacts on the inside with the CIA and the a that he knows people that are feeding him stuff etc etc is there anybody you know that on the inside that's

connecting you and telling you stuff because if that is true you would have more information on 9-11 because if the stuff you're talking about 5 billion views then wouldn't somebody from the inside who is opposing like right now they send there's somebody on the inside that's working with Trump that opposes him somebody would contact and say like Alex here's some information I'm gonna pass down to you so real quick yeah that's a dangerous question for Alex which is if you have the sources that you claim to you should know more about 9-11 yep that is a deep problem for Alex's narratives now let's see how he answers that question Zach here's the day you went and bought groceries five years ago are you worried about the grocery you bought five years ago no

huh we're trying to get the economy going we're trying to defend the country we're trying to stop war I don't talk to people about what happened you know 18 years ago or so today's 9-11 no no I'm not saying you're wrong no no no we're not trying to fight old fights we're not trying to open all wounds we're not even trying to hurt globalist we just wanted to get out of the way for American success I mean do I talk to people you know in corporations and like oh some sexiness oh government agencies yeah yeah but it's not like they're just American patriots like I am so I'm not like sitting there talking about what happened 17 years ago with people we're trying to like how do we boost the stock market how do we fix the country how do we make Americans come

together I mean I've been in these meetings we won't talk about CIA generals everything it's like we need to like try to find out how to not be at war with Islam and try to get radicalism out of the way we need to bring everybody together and we need to like be peaceful and how do we make the world a better place it's it's literally with Trump how do we make a better future it is not the leftist saying race war religious war it's the opposite what Trump is we want unification we want a free market system we want justice and your mission is to empower people and have them believe they're powerful and whether they're Christian or Muslim or agnostic or gay or straight to unify people around a human victory for the planet that's what Trump's doing and that's why

they're pissed that's you definition of a known answer fuck you and that's so stupid because any of those things could like all the things he's like we're working towards probably could be achieved by one of your sources telling you what happened with 9 11 yeah so that's like that's so dodgy but even in his dumb dodgy answer again he is the weakest link of this shit because it is so obvious when he's like we need to find a way to not be at war with Islam and then in the next press we need to get radical Islam out of the way right which is like and what's your definition your definition of radical Islam is all Islam so how do we find a way to not be at war with Islam while we try and get rid of that's a two-step way of saying we need an ethnic cleansing

totally because the they're divided you're like wow I mean you combine sure nuclear material with this and that nuclear material over there and it's a bomb but if you just say them differently it's not even that harmful yeah yeah like that's he just said we need to get rid of Islam entirely well if you understand what he stands for and what the the subtext of his words yeah that is what he's saying yeah that's exactly why is it that's so weird about language in the way that we treat it it's that it's that like you can use a euphemism to say anything you want to but if you say it directly everybody gets mad at you well but they would get mad at you for using that euphemistically if they understood what you're saying or at least like I think that Patrick would push back against

him if he had more of a robust understanding of who Alex was but what he just said was we need to get rid of Islam like easily but he might as well have stood on top of a literal fucking soapbox and said kill the Islamic people but if you if you are someone like I assume Patrick Bet David is who thinks that there is a like a problem with radical Islam you could hear Alex say radical Islam like that is a problem there are all those terrorists and stuff like that and not recognize that in Alex's definition of the word that is all that there is no room for moderate Islam in his world that's how they get away with it exactly that's how they all think that and that's why it's dangerous and that's why it's dangerous to be unprepared and have interviews with people like

him because you will accidentally be tricked into thinking that they're saying something it's like makes sense when in actuality you and I both know Alex is advocating for the elimination of a religion yeah he just and a population he's just going for genocide right now because what's your your follow-up there if you know what's going on it's just like okay give an example of define radical Islam yeah define it make make what's what's your moderate Islam yeah throw that in there now it's interesting that you're bringing up genocide because there's these one dudes named dem Nazis who tried to pull that off earlier okay and boy Patrick has an interesting question about Nazis that Alex is so fucking adverse to answering that I think it means something is that a little

bit revealing I think it might be our Nazis good Jordan the answer should be a very quick Jordan succinct no this is the answer has more than one word in it it's probably not a good sign this is a Mike down okay here we go sometimes you get criticism because some people say well Alex never bashes Nazis you know a lot of times they'll say you know he is so nice to them he's so kind to them he's so gentle with them what do you have to say about that I don't even Nazis were like people we beat like 70 years ago World War two it's just like a mentally ill joke about I've been nice to Nazis I'm not nice to Nazis you go online and type in Alex Jones Nazis all they do is attack me total horse crap so what do you think about Nazis yes well they lost World War two of their

losers and jokes but it's like it's like I'm like what do you think of child molesters do you think they still like let me ask you what do you trouble us I think they need to be tracked based on whatever they're whatever they're doing right now and they belong in prison good I agree so what do you think of Nazis so is that your opinion I'm asking you yeah great what are you doing I'm asking you what do you do about Nazis what do you do about Nazis I'm asking you the question back imagine like they asked how do you solve a problem by there's a difference with you because you actually are in this world it's like somebody asked me about an insurance policy I sell that maybe I disagree with you like I challenge you I challenge you in this Nazis are losers man went what what world am I

supporting Nazis it's like hey Alex tell me you don't support communist I'm like miles for communist I'm an American I love free market I'm not trying to be friends with Nazis there's no group that attacks me more than Nazis that's why it's a bizarre statement to ask about Nazis because the average Nazi is a Southern Property Law Center ADL operator okay that doesn't help so what we've had is Alex when asked about whether or not he supports what the Nazis support what do you what's the situation with it and he only will be he will only flip the question to say what do you think about child molesters top five reasons not to like Nazis Dan go ahead just off the top your head number one the Nazis Nazis that's got nuts a good bad bad thing to be that's about all

what else you got you need no you know I mean no no like of the accomplishments that the Nazis have made what are their top five worst things that they've done I mean obviously the genocide right that one's not there yeah you could use that one first if somebody were to ask you how you feel about Nazis you could say genocide is bad sure right there which he actually Alex I accidentally sort of agrees with the Nazis is anti-communist stance yeah certainly that was a big part of their pro their programs was to kill tons of communists you know what my first response to why don't you like Nazis they're insidious influence that existed since the 70 years ago when they lost in World War two and how their legacy still lives on through tons of

people who are on the streets and actually are at protests Alex Jones supports and refuses to in any way say negative things about hey you know what I wouldn't say you know what I wouldn't say my biggest problem with the Nazis isn't that they lost no because it sure seems like his biggest problem with the Nazis is that they didn't win the war no that's not any of the stuff why would I talk about Nazis they lost I'm talking about the alright we rebranded right and then you have to understand to that like so many of the people that are in his world are kind of Nazi adjacent which we'll get into in a second because yeah Patrick tries to do this again tries to refocus and get Alex to actually answer the question which is a super easy question to answer like

people say that you're soft on Nazis no I'm not fuck them and here's why they're out there in the streets they're protesting they're using a bunch of different organizations names they're hiding under different banners and that's fucking bullshit what do we what even is a Nazi nationalism I believe in the free market but there are people who are using those terms in order to mask their Nazism and their white supremacy and I disavow that entirely and in order to make the argument that I'm making pure and that it is really just about nationalism and free market stuff I have a responsibility to call this out within our own ranks it's that easy yeah he refuses to do that in any way the furthest to go in that last clip is say that

they're losers and then insinuate that Nazis are SPLC agents which is not good yeah it gets so much that's my biggest issue with the Nazis they lost seriously it's like asking me what are you making these guys that stole pumpkins last week out of this you know thing on the I-45 what am brought up it's sometimes brought up with you know I was brought up exactly yeah all conservatives but he gets old man the Nazis really yeah but it also gets old on the flip side when every time something happens you say you know this Hitler did this back in the days in America doing the same thing so I'm asking the question because sometimes some give me the example you say I said that America's like Hitler give me give me an example or so the first

five minutes you said that first five minutes of today said what I say you want me to replay it for you now it's tens of thousands of articles a month everywhere lying about me never showing what I supposedly said just claiming I said something and I said this is clearly it's like the Nazis did so I'm pro-Hitler but I'm criticizing Nazi Germany no you're not pro-Hitler where you're criticizing them you bring that up well no no I definitely agree I don't think Germany's ultimate evil world but I think it had a lot of bad stuff and 22 million Germans died first five minutes you brought it up okay well no I brought up Germany was bad you're saying what America's doing is what I'm saying but I think I rest my case I know so am I a Nazi no I said

it's wrong to be a Nazi I rest my case so you don't support what they stand for that's an easy socialism and like killing people that are German hell yeah I disagree with that okay let me ask you this yeah the cry child molestation do who tell me you're not for child molestation I'm not tell me you're not a Nazi I'm not good tell me you're not I'm not see how dumb it is though it's dumb oh no that but when have I this is the craziness of leftist there's a double I challenge you to find anywhere that I support loser Nazis challenge accepted oh boy so let's just go through a list of Alex Jones's guests Tommy Robinson is someone that he has on very frequently Tommy Robinson is the founder of the EDL the England Defense League yeah he also has a lot of connections to Nazi groups

in England in his past yeah so there's one someone who has a very strong white supremacist Nazi history yeah but he's not a loser Dan so he can't be a Nazi before he was science before he was unmasked as Steven Yaxley Lennon as being his real name he existed online without his face being involved because of those neo-nazi groups that he was a part of originally good now Alex that's one of his big allies in Europe so there's one second Marine Le Pen her dad was the legally a fascist but legal definition of Marine Le Pen is fascist her dad was part of the was the European front the the Nazi lingering group in France he was a part of it so there's there's two if we just want to go European branch now if you want to talk about the guests that Alex has

had on there's a bunch of them who have also been guests on Red Ice Radio which is a literal Nazi group that does a Nazi podcast out of Europe really yes Darrell Hamamoto was recently a guest on Red Ice Radio he is not my favorite crazy anymore he's still my favorite crazy but I just imagine that maybe he was tricked into going on that yeah probably not Nazis aren't that clever they're losers now if you look into the narratives that Alex perpetuates there's heavy overlap with the people like identity Europa Vanguard even places like Stormfront there's a ton of overlap in the things that those people put into the world and what Alex stands for so if you want to talk about concrete connections you have those people that are influencers of Alex

that are also members of neo-nazi organizations now if you want to talk about the narratives that's there now if you want to talk about people he has on like based stick man that are specifically you know their existence is only to fight anti-fascists yeah that lead you to ask a question if you just want to go with circumstantial evidence like how you might say answer a yes or no question right so your yes or no question is do you like Nazis if your answer is well lost now I don't understand why you answered my yes or no question with a question now take it even another step you remember when you asked me that question and I said I don't like them now take it take it another step further and wrestle with the fact that Alex constantly calls George

Soros a Nazi collaborator when that is not true you have some sort of deflection about Nazi stuff now seems like it now let's look into how he uses Nazi propaganda whether it be things that the Nazis that already existed before them but they perpetuated very heavily ideas that Jews commit blood libel the idea that they poison the well those sorts of things are very deeply entrenched in Alex's narratives further his ideas about the globalists are strongly reinforced by the forgery anti-semitic hoax the protocols of the elders of Zion yeah things that Adolf Hitler used in parts of his propaganda campaigns yeah things that American Nazis like Ford used in their anti-Jew propaganda some president's dad right who would elect a president's dad and then another thing that

we discussed in the endgame coverage this idea of Alex's worldview is very contingent on the idea that the Rothschild's Nathan de Rothschild that with the battle of Waterloo had secret information that he used to crash the English yeah market in order to buy it all up which is the pattern and the model that Alex uses to talk about these other globalist conquests of countries yep that is specifically based on a gerbils film that's based on the Rothschild's share in Waterloo that is a Nazi propaganda film so Alex when you ask me you challenge me to bring up the things that make you kind of a Nazi there is my answer and then of course there's all the there's all the things you believe the Nazi things I think I dealt with that with his narratives I think so like that this

is pathetic it's fascinating to me because because because you have that like four minutes of him refusing to answer the question right about the Nazi stuff and then at the end saying I challenge you to which the answer is just like no I don't like Nazis like that the answer is do you know about Alex Jones yeah if you do then you can answer that question yeah unfortunately so many people don't know well but that's the thing is like if we had this interview with a Tucker Carlson or a Sean Hannity they would both have the answer ready so they wouldn't be caught doing this bullshit of like I mean the Nazis are their losers it's not that they're even if you're unprepared it's so easy I know but that's what I'm saying like it's it's so indicative of how much

Alex does believe in all of this shit that he can't even stick to the like and how shook he is by yeah him not going up the interviewer not going along with yeah yeah yeah that he has to like what do you think about pedophiles what yeah I wonder if they isn't this dude is this so old if this dude interviewed Sean Hannity would we find out Sean Hannity's actual Nazi beliefs like is it just is it like what do we need I don't think so because I watched the interview on man interviewer do we need to get Sean Hannity to be like oh yeah by the way I love Nazis I think you just listen to him you'd find that out but I think that if you watch the interview that he did this guy Patrick bet Davis David I was going to say Davis rolls off the tongue yeah Patrick bet David did

with Ben Shapiro you'll see him not push back this hard he's doing this specifically to Alex right because Alex has a lot of holes but then also he's asking the second not third question right which in this instance during this exchange about Nazi stuff had the third question been asked Alex would have no answer for it done it would have been a disaster it would have been a fire so they get off this topic and Alex makes probably the lamest claim I've ever heard him make okay it seems like it's not about me making it we sit I'm playing at the big boys level if you're gonna play at the big boy level the big boy level is Machiavellian oh no you think Jesus played the Machiavellian oh I don't I don't know if I'm saying Jesus is big boy level I'm not talking

there's a level above that just being straight up so you think that's the level you're playing in light my love it's it's the next level the next level you putting yourself at that line in light my level is what you're saying I really want prosperity in the future okay and I'm against globalism and I want to sexualize children and I am next level yes fair enough okay I was asking why they fear me the answer is right there because I can't be bought I'm not under their control I love God you can't be bought you cannot be bought what does that mean you can be bought there is no price already sold you sell products on a weekly basis though those no wait that's to fund me but I wouldn't sell poison to people to get ahead I sell things and t-shirts and books to fund myself but

that's the people buying because they believe what I'm doing I'm not compromising go a little deeper with this what do you mean I'm not compromising you're selling you're making money you can't be bought what can't be bought but selling things is only fuel to carry out my operation okay selling things is to fuel to carry out my operations but you can't be bought yeah like in the hierarchy needs money is not the tip of my pyramid doing good for humanity and winning is where I want to go and so I'll sell t-shirts books videos water filtration air filtration and enforce where I come to fund myself but my God is not that money you certainly understand that in the past Alex has advertised for the Israeli Ministry of Tourism while he was saying negative things about Israel

on air back in 2009 can't be bought he ran ads for the most high family ministry a literal cult can't be bought this is such a nonsense he's just selling things he can't be bought and right now he knows that he's about to unveil on air that he's a multi-level marketing guy you can't buy me but I will sell your stuff I can't be bought I won't sell poison to my audience but I will sell them a system that will get them deeply in debt oh yeah so that's fun that I'll sell them a cult but you see there is exactly why it's pointless to interview Alex he pushed back exactly how he should have you can't be bought you sell stuff what are you talking about yeah there's a money's not my God I love truth all right that's as deep as you're gonna go with yeah he's not going to take you to

another level and it's crazy because he is fucking drunk as shit here yeah and like even in that state he's not going to allow that penetration he's going to say things that are super revealing like that Nazi exchange yeah but he's not going to let you understand I love money yeah yeah because he even as fucked up as he is he knows the cameras are on right so now Jordan yeah come to the game here we go so here's the game at the end of this interview yeah like I didn't see this coming at all this is the awesomest thing that an interview could ever do I will give Patrick bet Davis David all the credit in the world for this I'm gonna give you a word a name and you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind okay or a little bit longer than the first thing that comes

to your mind let's see what you're gonna say your brain is a fast brain so let's see what you're gonna say first one now Jordan here's how the game is gonna go yes I'll tell you in advance these are not words these are people's names okay so he's going to say people's names and then Alex is gonna say the first word that comes to his mind all right I will play the person's name then I'm gonna pause it and you have to guess what is Alex's response okay here's the first one Edward Snowden um what do you think he's gonna say I'm gonna go with Trader Patriot oh wow man way wrong on that okay so you're over keep track of your score okay all right I'm one minus one yeah all right here's the next one Ted Cruz interesting Patriot again Patriot yeah all right

back at zero here we go here's the next one Juliana Songe oh super Patriot Patriot yeah point for that you said super come on I'll give it to you no no I don't want it you got one don't give me your pity all right you're pity Patriot Bernie Sanders oh I'm gonna go with Trader on this one back and back and oh and one oh god I don't you should be I don't I don't want it to come back to Patriot though it doesn't make sense for him to say Patriot no probably doesn't but the word I will say I don't want to influence you but the word he does choose from all of our understanding of his feelings about Putin you should be able to guess this okay it

might not be the first thing that comes to your mind but when you hear it you're back back all right okay god king nation oh yeah that's a good one that's still so all right that's so positive yeah yeah yeah for sure so now we take a break from the game because negative one this next one there's no way for me to pause it when he says the name so you just have to hear this one okay Beto Beto is the one that's going against mental mental retard I would definitely have gotten a minus one on that one anyway I don't think I don't think that was where I was gonna guess yeah maybe I'm just gonna go with criminal wasn't my first guess on

what might have been said yeah Jesus Christ Wow even like all the legitimate complaints he could maybe have with Beto that's that indicates your brain not operating on a really high level yeah here's the next one Bill Gates ooh you might be able to get this one too oh globalist you Genesis god damn it so close you Genesis part of the globalist plan but perhaps not all right fine are you ready god damn it I'm like oh and four now what are you negative four I'm negative four oh no maybe you'll be able to get this next one okay you'll I'm musk you know what you Genesis scared man scared man scared actually I'm

gonna be honest that's his best answer so far it's clearly I think he might be right on this one it's as close to an analysis as we've gotten like Elon musk self-destructive seems shook yeah all right here's the next one LeBron James oh no oh no oh no oh no my best guess is just the n-word I don't think he's that but it's not much it sure seems like that's where we're going it's not much better retard no you understand though yeah this sort of thing that's code that's that's code touch code that's and also by the way we didn't mention it back then but when he said Bernie Sanders vampire that's also good yeah oh

yeah there's some insights this is so interesting because Patrick bet David accidentally is like doing a real good psycho analysis of Alex here and Alex by his response like that's racism you're just being racist yeah and oh no don't say Colin Kaepernick Colin Kaepernick what do you think I don't I don't I don't know I quit this game I'm gonna retire with the worst record in history I quit you don't get to quit keep playing there's a bunch like God damn it um you know what I'm gonna go with traitor I'm gonna say that he goes the patriotic route and he says he's a traitor interesting retard I knew he was

gonna say it again I didn't want to say it dad to black guys who Alex politically disagrees with our both retards shockingly of it no one else labeled retard really yeah all the people before that oh I guess Beto right but god but also you one of the reasons that Beto is most relevant to Alex is that he is someone who is standing up and saying that the police are killing black people and that is unacceptable so it makes sense that Alex would compartmentalize Beto into the part of his brain right that deals with I am racist right so here's the next one you might be able to get this one Steve Bannon who Patriot

traitor traitor traitor oh so because Steve Bannon personally was traitor is to Alex okay fine and to Trump I think you've stopped keeping score yeah I'm at negative six all right here's the next one David Brock David Brock owner and runner all right all right so I'm not gonna go with a shit what did he oh vampire I'm gonna go with vampire vampire yeah oh hell yeah negative five baby I wish I had an air horn I do too dunked that one man I'm so proud of myself for that one here's the next one Hilary Clinton okay he's gonna I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with like arch vampire or something like that like an

a level above where David Brock okay so you know I'm saying like Serana's dad in yeah exactly okay yeah I'm part oh just come on you're not gonna differentiate between David Brock and Hilary Clinton I feel like there's room there both they buy all right I could give you half I'm gonna give a half point for me already rejected that earlier yeah but this one counts okay fine negative four and a half rock Obama oh okay you can't just say vampire for a third time in a row hmm I really don't want him to say the our word oh that would be a little bit too much you know what I'm just gonna stick with the vampire let's go with

that by amber Jordan is making a comeback they said it couldn't be done I'm gonna get to zero by the end of this I'm gonna tell you right now there aren't enough people to get you back to zero you are gonna have a negative score okay but you could make this respectable okay so here's the next one bush ooh he doesn't specify which bush but I would assume it's W yeah oh I've narrated down to vampire traitor let me give you my thoughts on okay okay talk me through it like I'm reaching like it like we're doing read just fill it all right now it could be traitor because he doesn't want to say vampire because the bush isn't

like part of the globalists yeah he does think that he does think that but they're not like the same part of the good like there are a lot of sex of new no he believes they're all together the bush and the Clintons are there he thinks that they might as well be the same family okay so don't don't let that sound now I'm leaning back towards vampire because now the reason that I was gonna go with vampire in the first place was just because I feel like at this point he is lazy and knows two and he's drunk three words maximum so I'm just gonna go with vampire again vampire vampire is final answer down vampire

yeah all right negative two and a half come on baby doesn't it feel good they do feel good this is my favorite thing we've ever done so here's the last one which is why you can't get back to even Trump see now this is again he's the obvious answer is like Patriot but now I want it to be like he's got to step it like super Patriot yeah yeah I'm just gonna go with I'm gonna go with I want to stop you before you say okay is there any way I'm gonna guess this no no not a change not a chance not a chance um okay I'm gonna go with baby daddy okay interesting when he said what he says I got like shivers like I got like Alex

you're crazy next low did you say next level next level Moses Trump is Moses oh yeah elaborate what do you mean by Trump is Moses he's a real friggin deal my god knows and it's all clear he's he's pro human he wants progress he is one of just he's I had everything he's he's dialed down the real deal I guess they call that the liver Trump's the liver if we take it we've already seen it we've already seen everything's oppressing us and then as soon as he comes in grass and flowers and powers everything's waiting right now wow Trump is Moses which kind of leads you to believe that the promised land that you feel that you're

being led towards out of Egypt is a white ethno-state because the things that have been happening that you're saying that like Trump gets in and then grass and there's only one way to view that yeah especially one way to view that especially only if you are if you are a Trump follower and your idea is that he has brought grass back there's only one thing that he has made far more popular than it ever was before him white supremacy and that's white fucking supremacy that bums me out it's fucked up that it's fucked up that Patrick like accidentally revealed this and doesn't realize what he's dealing yeah he just

revealed a very and then the Trump is Moses no like the fact that Alex's brain goes there is so sacrilegious and then also it invalid like it doesn't it's it it it does a disservice to this interview that he doesn't like demand Alex specifically like what do you mean by hold his feet down yeah me like that is really crazy that you're saying that what he's the deliverer he's gonna lead us from what into what Alex exactly that's from what into what now when he when he says that Trump is next level and then Patrick is like what do you mean by that I need to make clear that all of these other ones there was no

explanation for any of them yeah I didn't just cut it off after he said vampire yeah that was the only one that he's like what do you mean so that's that's not good no I don't like the let being alive now that game was really fun until it was that game was really fun until it was the worst thing that's ever happened so you got one more clip and this is how Alex ends the interview the only thing that happens after this is Patrick bet that David says a we've talked to him you guys get to make your own decision and throws it out to the end this is Alex's last words you have to believe in humanity and you just do

that everything else follows so that's it then that's why they don't like me you ask that question over and over again is because I don't fear them I've already been around this is like Norman Maylor in the scene where it goes the bummer and that's scary because they've not been there but they will be there soon enough they're gonna meet your maker and they're gonna face God I die with pure consciousness they're gonna have to decide who they serve okay cool cool just revealed yourself to be a Nazi apologist very racist religious zealot why are you surprised that platforms don't want you on when we've already

established that you exaggerate stuff it's sensationalized things and you very clearly as Patrick says you are dangerous to naive minds so yeah and that's why I have that sort of little piece of my brain that thinks that he's going to hurt himself he does he absolutely needs help yeah and that's why it's really hard and I don't want to be in the present all that much because in the same way that I resist talking about Project Camelot episodes where someone is clearly like just manifesting like this is yeah you need to go you need to be hospitalized yeah I think we're getting to a point with Alex in

2018 where it's like this isn't fun anymore this is a this is a crisis yeah and the fact that no one is helping him is like a disaster the idea that Patrick bet David allowed this out is kind of like I understand where you're coming from you want more clicks but it's an irresponsible thing in terms of Alex's mental health this is a disservice to him the fact that his dad is his HR head and doesn't tell him I need to lock you up yeah you need to go to a hospital yeah for a weekend yeah something like that the fact that Owen shroyer works for him and doesn't say you need help the fact that David Knight has been

there for this long has seen this deterioration and isn't like you need help the fact that Roger Stone isn't saying you need help means that no one around him is recognizing these very clear signs that he is becoming a danger to his own self and to his children or they're recognizing it and realizing that it's the best thing that can happen for them maybe like what could be better for Roger Stone than for Alex to fucking kill to flame out yeah maybe for Roger yeah maybe but these other people know I bet his dad would probably be his dad his dad doesn't love him I don't know if that's fair that's

so unfair I know I know I'm just I'm just making these people who are actually around him have a responsibility to take care of him in some way and I know that that's like every man is their own island and you're an adult all that stuff but no he's manifesting signs of like this is a breakdown yeah this is this interview is like as hilarious as it is at points like it's it's an it's a clear indication of a deteriorating deteriorating mental state oh absolutely and to allow someone to continue down this road is like when Britney Spears shaved her head people sent her to a hospital because there were people around

her who cared yeah you know as much well that it took that long suggested the same thing is that so many people around her are also invested in exploiting her definitely and her flame out but is of course going to be certainly financially but you've got to get to a certain point yeah exactly public point where it was undeniable that like these self-destructive tendencies are going to hurt the person we care about yeah and anyone around Alex Jones I beg of them do what you need to do because the next couple months after this don't look good especially now I mean we don't even know as we're recording this

with the aftermath of PayPal going away is we don't have any idea the idea that this is where he was before he introduced the MLM scheme before he's kicked off this payment processor yeah like the fact that this is where he was it leads me to believe that as more shit happens it's gonna get worse you have a responsibility he has four kids one of them is under two years of age this is not okay on a human level I hate to be preachy but these people are doing a disservice to the world into other people yeah but what do you broach that subject when you believe when you believe that no no no I get that I mean

like even for themselves like if you are Owen Troyer you can watch that and say well he's just defending what I believe it read Game of Thrones be Jamie Lannister be the Kingslayer or whatever be whatever you need to be somebody would have murdered Mitch McConnell 20 years ago but I'm saying create a heroic mythology around it if you need to Owen Troyer is the young gun let's say that he can create some sort of idea in his mind that I'm pure into this but Alex is he's going crazy he's the Mad King he's lost his way and he's a danger to people around him I will do what I need to do as much as it pains me to do to

make things okay yeah but what do they see in that interview like what do they see in that interview like we see what's obvious no I mean I think even if you take the content out of it the presentation the clear affect the way that he's like I'm ready to die I don't care you put your family on the line when you need to that sort of thing like that is true take if I heard let's say someone who I philosophically and mostly in line with let's say a Sam Cedar or a Michael Brooks yeah I saw an interview like this with them and they were talking about like socialism or they were talking about diversity and equality yeah and

they were presenting themselves like that I would say get them to a fucking hospital they aren't okay they're going to hurt themselves yeah whether it's through an accident or their own hand it's not okay and so what I would like to say at the summation of all of this is that we have all the evidence that we need that Alex Jones in 2018 is going down the deepest darkest path that is available to him yeah I think the Goldwater rule is thrown out the window after this interview I think we're not psychiatrists you give a shit that's a good point we don't have any professional responsibility we're people who need

psychiatrists which gives us a unique perspective into somebody who needs a psychiatrist definitely and like it would be irresponsible for us to say specifically what the problem is oh yeah but it's not to say that it's not responsible say there is a fucking problem I will say specifically what the problem is it is big and there is a big problem booze is a big fucking part of it now I don't pray for a redemption arc oh no there's no redemption I'm out on that I the only thing I hold out hope for is Alex Jones getting the help he needs and disappearing so he can be there for his family because that's really

the only thing that matters to us and it doesn't matter to us in a real way right the reason that it matters is that they're innocent they don't deserve this right and they don't deserve whatever is going to happen next and Alex is bizarre I'm gonna blow up and kill the New World Order narrative right right they don't it's the next step is dangerous because when he got kicked off of stuff his immediate response was I'm gonna go fuck with people in the streets I'm gonna go to Washington DC so like the when it gets even worse you don't think he's gonna escalate more yeah but you know think about that two-year-old

right when I was that young my family was an occult you know think about how much better a comedian that kid will be because they're they were born in a family with the cult leader I've seen rex doesn't have much no no I'm talking about the two-year-old you gotta get it young that's fair yeah I don't know maybe maybe we're going a little overboard in terms of concern trolling or like I don't I don't think I'm fucking I'm coming from a sincere place I know but I know it does it does come off a little bit I think it's possible for someone to see this as like me being like grandstanding and being like hey

he's a danger to other yeah I don't know that's that's I don't know I mean imagine if all of the coverage of like new right-wing watch and media matters wasn't like Alex Jones cries and gets angry and was more like Alex Jones reveals again why he needs psychiatric help like if we all just if we all just let all of our other stuff go like we've already proved you're a fucking racist well it comes down to that one alone now we need to get everybody on board with you going and seeing somebody once at least a week well it comes down to me three times I always like and a group I always liked battle rap and dissing when

I was younger yeah like I'd listen to like the scribble jam tapes that I'd find and stuff like that uh-huh and I always thought that like disses were kind of like when they're well laid out and they rhymed and they were you know personal they're always really interesting you know like it's you know there there's a lot of examples who cares but I always thought that the most potent diss track I ever heard was MF Grimm's The Book of Daniel where he wrote this about MF Doom and how MF Doom had lost his way right so this is a track that he had made after like he had gotten out of prison and he made it with

the monster island czars that were their old crew back when they were coming up yeah and the entire diss track isn't like you suck it's all I love you why did you do this to us yeah like you're making the key as a in one of MF Doom songs he talks about like how he was a part of a group called midgets into crunk like making fun of M.I.C. yeah island czars yeah he's like how could you ever diss us we loved you and the whole song is just a laying out of their history about how like I bought you groceries when we're struggling yeah I would take a bullet for you why did you do this why would you ever like you

it's and the end of the song is like come home yeah I love you yeah yeah prodigal son and I always think that that is much more deeply potent as like a diss than just like you suck yeah yeah yeah and to me that is that's the spirit I want to come to Alex Jones and not that I love you but you need help yeah I'm with you come home Alex I'm with you anyway we have a website I was gonna say that's the only way to wrap up the show yeah I'm in Twitter yeah knowledge fight com knowledge underscore fight on Twitter Facebook we are on there we have a group called go home until your mother you're brilliant right you should go home

and tell your mother you're brilliant or you couldn't join the group I'm so thrilled with the growth that we've seen both in downloads and in support and in members to go home and tell your mother you're brilliant it's a very exciting time for us to be doing this I really appreciate everyone's support we're also on iTunes you can subscribe you can leave a review all that good stuff indeed but Dan before we go it's hard to be sympathetic for Alex because there's one piece of information that you do need to know what is that Alex did technically kill a guy Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding

well Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you