Knowledge Fight - #230C: Obama Deception, Part 3

Episode Date: November 21, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan enter Part 3 of their coverage of Alex Jones' 2009 "documentary" The Obama Deception. In this installment, we see Alex completely blow it with list-making, misrepresent some history, and make a few decent points for the completely wrong reasons.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. The other voice you will hear shortly is my co-host Jordan. We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones, as is the case this week. Talk a lot about him. In particular, the Obama deception is 2009, quote, unquote, documentary. We are here on part three of our investigation of said film. And if you're listening to this episode,

you haven't listened to the other ones, I recommend, please go back and listen to the other ones. It'll help it sort of make sense, but not really all that much, because this documentary doesn't really make sense at all. It's one of the, it's incredibly difficult for me to cut this into episodes, because we just end up jumping off in the middle of one thing. He comes back in the other. There's no segmentation. There's no chapters in this documentary. So it's a real challenge, and I hope you guys are all enjoying it and keeping, it's not a whiplash or anything like that. But today we got part three, and it's exciting. But before we get to that, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to some of the people who have signed up and are supporting the

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clicking that button says support the show. We would appreciate it. Oh, so very much. But for now, let's jump back into part three of our coverage of the Obama deception. If you recall, where we left off the last episode, Alex had just got done lying about the Federal Reserve and how it's private. And I explained why that is a load of bullshit and told you how the Federal Reserve system works. Now we'll jump in on a completely different topic that Alex is talking about. But it is just immediately after in the documentary. I mean, can't the Wall Street has hijacked Washington abroad? Oh, that's right. We were watching his documentary. I can't forget for a while. Yeah, yeah. Get a haircut. Every one of his appointments

are there to screw the American people. What do you mean? They're all there to screw the American people. They're all there. Every single one of them is there to screw the American people. Every single one of his appointments are people who are working to bring down the republic and the Constitution of this country. If I say things confidently, you will believe them. So, Timothy Geithner is, I don't know if he's a member of the Bilderberg group that, again, is not a designation that actually exists. Not a thing. But he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Alex doesn't have that up on screen. You can see there he was a member of the Trilateral Commission, but he left the group when he took a position in the Obama administration.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is a Bilderberg and CFR member. She is also married to Trilateral Commission member William Jefferson Clinton. All right, hold on. What? That was unnecessary. There's no evidence that Hillary is a member of Bilderberg because, again, that's not a real thing. It's not a thing. She attended in 1997 when she was first lady, but there's no evidence she attended any other conferences. Hillary is listed as a CFR member on Wikipedia, but there's no citation. In their public membership roles on the Council on Foreign Relations website, Bill and Chelsea Clinton are listed as members of the Council on Foreign Relations, but Hillary is not. The Trilateral Commission's member list from this time is also available online, and Hillary

Clinton is not a member or a former member of the Trilateral Commission. That is made up. So, also, come on, man. His name's Bill Clinton. I'm a shooter to the United Nations. His name's Bill Clinton. Just call him Bill Clinton. So, Susan Rice is a member of the Trilateral Commission. She also left when she joined the Obama administration. Also, why didn't Alex point out that she's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations? What information is he going off of? Because he's clearly, that would help him in his fake argument. She's a member of the CFR, too. Put that on there. He doesn't bring it up. National Security Advisor General James O. Jones. He looks like a bat.

Bill Durberg, Trilateral Commission and CFR. So, James L. Jones did attend a Bill Durberg meeting in 2005, but that doesn't make him a member of the group or anything like that. Right, right, right. There's no evidence that he's a member of the CFR, but there is a James R. Jones that is. So, maybe Alex mixed that up. Much like Tim Geithner and Susan Rice. That is exactly like saying that, uh, General James L. Jones. He's the bad guy in the, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry. I was making a cognate, Conan the Barbarian reference. Thank you very much. I thought you were going to James R. L. Jones. God damn it, Dan. God damn it. Sorry. Wait, did you think James R. L. Jones was a writer on

The Simpsons? James L. Brooks. Oh, okay. Our references just meet each other like cars that hit it. So, there's no evidence he's a member of CFR. Like I said, James R. Jones, but much like Tim Geithner and Susan Rice, Jones was previously a member of the Trilateral Commission, but left the position when he became Obama's national security advisor or before. Deputy National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon, Trilateral Commission, CFR. So, he says Trilateral Commission is not on the screen. No, the card is wrong. I don't know. Anyway, Thomas Donilon was definitely a member of the CFR. Not sure if he was a Trilateral Commission member. Oh, sorry. He was formerly one. Again, like all, like a lot of

these people formerly won. I don't think it means anything though. Like I say, I don't know. My notes are a mess. I don't know. I start editorializing at a certain point. I read this sentence like I think it's important, but it's just, I don't think this means anything. How many more minutes before we just get all of your notes saying, no, no, no. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. No, there is going to be a point where I'm like, fuck this, this documentary doesn't mean anything. Here's what I want to talk about. So look forward to that. All right. But this is the closest of all these people that Alex ends

up listing. Yeah, it's closest to real because he was a member of the CFR and he was a member of Trilateral Commission, but at the same time he mixed, he messed up the visual card. The title card is trouble. Special State Department Envoy. Boo. Boo. Trilateral Commission. Fuck that guy. So Henry Kissinger, my ass. Henry Kissinger probably was all of those things. There's some debate whether or not he's still a member of the CFR. There's talk that he had left. It's unclear to me at this point, but the problem is that he wasn't part of the Obama administration. He wasn't special on. Not at all. You can find a list of all of Obama's special envoys. Kissinger wasn't one of them. He wasn't a part of the Obama administration. Why even throw

Kissinger in there? Because he's one of his big bad guys. Yeah, I know, but Kissinger has so many other big bad guy things about him. He is genuinely evil. Because Alex doesn't care about those things. You could do a laundry list of his evil shit. He doesn't care about those things. They were done to brown people in third world countries. Yeah. He doesn't give a shit about that. Fair enough. Anyway. But God, you could just like, why not? Why, like, get rid of a couple of these guys? Like, okay, get rid of Susan Rice. You don't need her. Put another title card of the evil shit that Kissinger is. But because she's the, like, person who went to the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. It's important that he points out that the U.N. has to be evil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got

you. Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volcker, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations. This is the first one that Alex is almost entirely right about. He has all three of those things. Oh, okay, cool. Absolutely. At some point in his life, he was all three of those things. But why doesn't Alex point out that he was a founding member of the Trilateral Commission? Oh, that seems really important. Seems like he's regained. That seems like number one. He's one of the first. He should have been the first one on this whole fucking list. Well, Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee isn't as impressive as Secretary of State. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But okay. So if I'm organizing this, I want founding member first. And then that builds up as

you get more cash. If the Trilateral Commission is evil, he was one of the first people in it. Exactly. He's the most evil. Exactly. So you throw him in there up top and then you're like, oh, and see, he's in like this Economic Recovery Committee. That doesn't sound too evil. You know, that doesn't sound like he has too much power. And then because he founded the thing, then you start bringing in Susan Rice. Oh, she's the ambassador to the U.N. That's not that. She's just an ambassador. And then you bring in Tim Geithner and you're like, oh, shit, this is the guy. And then you bring him back. You punch it through, man. He was also a former head of Chairman of the Federal Reserve. In his role as the Economic

Recovery Chairperson, he felt that Tim Geithner was being real fucking rude to him and keeping him isolated from meetings, which I would think Alex would be super thrilled about the idea that Tim Geithner is like, no, no, no, Paul Volcker, get out of here. Yeah, but petty squabbles aren't really Alex's. The Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR. Wait, did he say Director of National Intelligence? On the screen, the director of national security. That's a problem. All right. So the issue is, you know, you're, you know, you're, you're know, you're not making this live, right? Yeah. Like he knows he's not. He basically was. I mean, he rushed this to print so fast.

Yeah, but I mean, you could at least watch it one time before you throw it out. Do QA work at all. This is insane. The voiceover is correct. He was, he was the Director of National Intelligence. The screen is wrong. Director of National Security is the guy we talked about earlier, James L. James. Yeah, exactly. So this is sloppy as fuck. Darth Vader. Dennis Blair is not a member of the CFR. He was a former member of the Trilateral Commission, and there's no evidence he's ever been to Bilderberg. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. Robert Gates was appointed by Bush. He's a member of the CFR. He was not a member of the Trilateral Commission. The only source I can find that says he was a Bilderberg attendee is a post

on the New American website that says, quote, not on the public list, but spotted at the conference according to unconfirmed reports from correspondents in St. Mortise with Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. Nothing more reliable than unconfirmed reports. The word correspondence is a hyper length that leads to an info wars story that says quote, info wars reporters Aaron Dykes and Paul Joseph Watson have received confirmation from an inside source that five other influential people who are not named on the official attendee list are in attendance at Bilderberg Conference 2011. So even in their five other people, they're not named. There's no proof. There's no documentation just a supposed inside source who is obviously Daniel Estolin. Plus, this is from 2011, two

years after this documentary came out. So, oh boy, who gives a shit. These guys. Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR. James Steinberg is a CFR member, and he has participated in multiple Bilderberg conferences. That's for damn sure. He is a former member of the Trilateral Commission, but left before joining the Obama administration. Right. State Department Special Envoy Richard Haas, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission and President of the CFR. Haas was a special envoy to Northern Ireland from 2001 to 2003. But it doesn't get more powerful than the special envoy to Northern Ireland. But he had no position in the Obama administration. He couldn't be the president of the CFR and even

endorsement of Obama because the group takes a firmly anti-partisan position. He's a member of the Trilateral Commission. The Hill reported that Haas was at Bilderberg in 2005, but who gives a shit. Alex is lying about him having a position in the Obama administration. So who gives a fuck? Yeah, who cares? Obama Presidential Advisor Alan Greenspan, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, the CFR. Alan Greenspan is a member of the CFR. He's not a member of the Trilateral Commission. He apparently attended Bilderberg in 2002. More importantly, though, he wasn't one of Obama's advisors. On the campaign trail, Obama was super critical of Greenspan's policies as the chairman of the Federal Reserve until 2006. I can't think of any. Wait, why? Because he presided over the

dot-com bubble. Come on. Where the groundwork needed to create the subprime mortgage crisis was created. You're just, now you're, what, are you mad at Ayn Rand? There's so many articles you can find online about Obama being fucking harshly critical of Alan Greenspan. No. Nobody could criticize Alan Greenspan. Even if he were an advisor for Obama, shouldn't Alex like that? Alan Greenspan was a free market kind of guy who hated raising taxes and like loved the absence of government regulation. Yeah. That should be, again, Ayn Rand. If there is someone who should run the fed that Alex likes, it would be Alan Greenspan. Yep. He should love the idea that he's an advisor for Obama, but he wasn't. Yeah, but he's, here's the thing. All right.

Alan Greenspan, sure, he did all the stuff that Alex wants him to do, but that stuff turned out bad. Oh, sure. So Alan Greenspan is bad. Bad bad. He's a bad boy. Right. But not the things that he believes that he then followed up on, that made everything turn bad. We're running into a little bit of an issue with letting the outcome dictate your principles. Exactly. Now, that's not a good idea. No, it's a bad idea. Because you look like a fucking idiot. You're an idiot. State Department Special Envoy Richard C. Holbrook, Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR. Are we just listing names? Yep. Finally, Alex is right about someone being a Bilderberg member because he's on the steering committee. He's on the steering committee. Hey, how about that?

Oh, shit. There was just a lot of balloons dropped in here. He struck out like 10 times, but then he got one right. He left. Oh, Casey at the bat all over again. He left the Trilateral committee by this point. And he's been a CFR member since at least 2003. I know that because the CFR, which is so fucking secretive, that they put out a press release announcing his membership complete with a date line at the top and the contact information of the director of communications for the council. Obama appointed him as a quote special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, where he advocated for such nefarious globalist plots as focusing on quote boosting the agriculture sector in a sector in Afghanistan. Holbrook is a lifelong diplomat. So the post really makes sense.

I'm not going to argue with it. Holbrook was ultimately ineffective in his position. And he died about a year later after he was put in the post. His last words to his doctor were, this was kind of joking around with the doctor, but it's so adorable. These were his last words. He said to the doctor, quote, you've got to end this war in Afghanistan. I love that. That's pretty great. You get a lot of points if your last words are that fucking great. Sure. Or like Ernest, Ernest P. Whirl, his last words, don't tell the kids not to smoke. Exactly. That sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Using your last words to try and make the world better. Yeah, it's fun. And the list goes on and on. Oh, does it? That was.

That's it. That's his list. That was 13 people and there's serious problems with that list. Three of the people that he listed in that group are not even in the Obama administration at all. Right. So that brings us down to 10. One of them is given the wrong title on screen, so Alex doesn't know what his job is. That gives us nine. One of them was appointed by Bush. Okay, so that gives us eight. If you count the people who had left the trilateral commission as Alex being wrong, then he really only got one of these people's description right at all. And that's Paul Volcker. And he didn't even mention that he was the founding member of the trilateral commission. So like, I don't understand, like this list is full of holes. Yeah, but the Volcker deception

would have been terrible. Also, please consider this is 13 people. It wasn't even Obama's entire cabinet. It was just 13 people. Cherry picked out of the hundreds that Obama had on his team, even if you've been absolutely correct about each and every one of these people being members of all three of his shadowy organizations. What the fuck does that prove? It's just a drop in the ocean. There's 19 people in Obama's main cabinet, the main positions in his cabinet. Alex didn't mention any of them, and they aren't members of any of those groups. So like, you could play this game every single direction if you want to, like I could flash up on screen, Eric Holder, not member of any of these groups, right? Attorney General, that wouldn't help. No, I could do that would be a bad

doctor Joe Biden, vice president, not member of any of these groups. That would now kill the solace, labor secretary, not member of any of these groups. Now I'm more interested in an hour and a half long documentary that is just who is and is not in Obama's cabinet, right, is a member of those groups. And we're going to start alphabetically with the entire population of the world. Let's do it. All right, guys, we're back in Aaron Aaronson, not a member of these groups. Aaron Rodgers. This is shit. This is terrible. This is bad work. Oh, that's bad. Even if Barack Obama were the most wonderful person in the world, he was groomed and brought to power by the global elite to carry out their agenda. Citation needed. Small point. Yeah,

you haven't proved that yet. But so far, you have proven nothing close to that. No, humanity must look past Obama and realize that presidents come and go, but the shadow government and their program of global enslavement continues. How could people be so stupid and gullible to believe a bunch of So people who voted for Obama were trying to express, I think, first of all, something worthwhile, the hatred for Bush, Cheney, the neocons, the desire to punish the Republicans for their adventures, their police state, and their economic depression. The second question was on the economy. People felt that Bush was selling them down the river into a world depression. He is, of course, the new Herbert Hoover in that regard. So they were trying to get something different from that.

Okay. Tragedy, of course, is. And this is really why Obama was groomed and prepared over a period of almost 30 years. What? That Obama is there to frustrate and to deceive all of those hopes. Obama is a cruel hoax. So look, this is some real fucking bullshit. And I think this is low-key one of the worst things that's said in this entire documentary. Because what Webster Tarpley is doing in that clip that we just listened to is suggesting that all of the reasons that people liked Obama traced back to negatives about the Republicans, as opposed to positives about Obama and some of the progressive policies he was indicating towards. There's something very strange about Alex's world and the politics of everyone around him that's so profoundly self-centered,

self-centered, that it can't see any action or belief outside of its relation to themselves. Tons of people excited about the prospect of Obama and liberal policies he discussed on the campaign trail are minimized into people who are just expressing their anger at Bush, which is a positive to Tarpley, I guess. Everything that's good or bad is a response to what their side is doing. What this, in essence, does is rob the left or any real really anyone who's not in their weird patriot conspiracy tip of any agency. You don't really believe in gun control. You're just responding to how much we love guns. It's that same dumb thinking that really is a dead end. It's really, really fucking stupid. It's childish and self-centered to a level that it's painful,

to something like that. Because I would never think like, oh, you conservatives are just mad that I have a lip ring. I don't have a lip ring. But if I go, I have a Mohawk and a lip ring and you old, funny dutties, you just don't like my coolness. But that is the equivalent of what they're expressing. Like, Webster Tarpley literally said that the people who support Obama are expressing something positive, which is a hatred of Bush. It's like, yes, they do hate Bush, but that's not what they're expressing. You are looking at only the negatives applied to you, as opposed to the positives that exist externally, because were you to recognize those for a second, you would have to either debate those positive points or admit that you don't give a shit

and ignore those because you're a dumb fuck. I am so, so happy that you watched this beforehand, listened to that, and then spent time writing an eloquent response. Because half of what I just said was the written part and the other part was a little bit off the ground. But the point being, that is exactly what I thought immediately. But because I'm in the moment, I was just going to screech. Fuck you, old man. I was just going to screech like a pterodactyl came back to life. No, but it is, it is, it is, you are absolutely 100% correct on all fronts. Thank you so much for avoiding me just going like, fuck you. I think there's value. I think there's value in that response, because it is, it is, it's how I feel. It's how I feel. But at the same time, like, like really

hitting the point of what he's expressing is so important, because it really does underlie so much of this. Like, when we talk about Alex Jones, I think I don't, I don't, I don't deal with that. But I do, I've felt that in the back of my head for a really long time. And it took some, something as overt as what Webster Tarpoli just said to really like, Oh, that's what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a real, it's sort of a hand revealing moment to some extent. But it's the, it's the logical endpoint of that wake up sheeple point or thought process. I mean, the clip right before this was Celenti calling everybody stupid. Exactly. Like, like the idea is that everybody who believes exactly what I say, the way I say it,

is a person. Yeah. And everybody else is not awake. None of you, you're all, you're all reacting to what's real, which is what I'm saying. You are not capable of agency yourself. And the only way that you'll ever be capable of agency is if you agree with me. Yeah. And until then, you are only reacting the way that they want you to. Right. To me. The way the Jews have told you to. More or less. Exactly. When you cut through the, the sort of layers of veneer. I'm the only person. Right. You are all nothing. Also, white Angosaxon Protestant straight men, are the only people who are really doing anything. Yes. And all of you other people are just reacting in our way. Bankers. Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's a kernel of it that's very

similar. Like when I was watching this, I was thinking about that. It's very similar to how the ancient alien stuff, like the explanations of aliens creating the pyramids and stuff like that. All that really does is take agency away from non white people in the past. Yeah. Like no one says that aliens built the Parthenon right or anything like that. No one but no one says anything like that. Right. Those Greeks knew how to do that. Yeah. Right. Right. You know, and it's the same, it's the same sort of kernel is this idea of like those who aren't in my click and my in group or whatever. I don't believe them to be capable of positive thought. Right. Only reactive thought. Oh, sure. Those Egyptians were able to be used at the direction of the aliens. Yeah. Yeah. I think

lugged the blocks, which would be the equivalent of Webster Tarpoli saying these people were lugged, the lugging of bricks around to be the equivalent of voting for Obama. Right. You know, there is that. And he's never seen Fitzgerald. So he doesn't even know that you can take a boat over a mountain. Oh boy. Yeah. It's a bummer. You look at stuff like that. You're just like, it's hard to look at that and be like, Oh, you're a great historian. It's really tough to hear that mentality. But again, this is why Webster Tarpoli is so interesting to me. Like, why was he able to break the, not conditioning, but why was he able to come out and be like, Trump is trying to institute fascism. And part of it is a real failure of Ron Paul and the fake principled libertarianism that has been

around forever. Like, why was he, why did he get there in early 2016? And also, why does he still have a show on the Genesis communications? Wait, he still does? Yeah, you bet. What in 2018? Yeah. We got to get him on our show. It's a weekly show. We got to give him a call. Why is he still calling in to Webster Tarpoli? Why is Ted Anderson still paying him? Like, it seems to me, maybe Ted Anderson isn't like all, I mean, I know he was a big rock. Why is Shepard Smith still on Fox News? Nobody knows. That's everybody's, everybody's fine with that. That's a great analogy. Yeah, whatever it is we're going to do, we're going to do. That's fair. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, August Shamp, he's an absolute denial of everything that you'd expect from an,

from an American president. It is very disturbing to see well-meaning people falling for high tech propaganda over and over again. Tell me about it, dude. I think we both had a very similar reaction to that. The American people amassed were swept into a mob psychology, irrationally throwing their common sense to the wind, whatever the administration told them to. The general public eventually caught on to the fact that George W. Bush was a deceitful thug and that the fair enough, but like the, the implication that he's trying to make that he's leaving unsaid is except me and my buddies. Yeah, exactly. We're smart enough to see through it. I don't like whenever they do get something.

I don't like whenever they get something right in the wrong way. It bumps me out. I don't think that there, I mean, I was part of like protest communities around that time on the left. I don't think anybody didn't know that Bush was a fucking thug. Oh yeah. No, we all figured that out. Like a 2000 election was heartbreaking. That was before 9-11. Yeah. Like that was also, it was stolen. Yeah. It was literally stolen. All that happened pre 9-11. Like it's not like people didn't understand the game before 9-11, but people came together after it because of course you do. You're fucking humans. Yeah. So the economy was in free fall in the midst of it all. Right after Obama was there,

speaking out against the abuse of the people at the hands of the establishment with the election. Wait, wait. So if I mean, no, we're jumping, we're jumping years apart. Right. Of course, but, but that also undercuts his point if he came out of nowhere. That's the idea. It's like when after 9-11, you know, Bush is trying to do all this shit, but there was Obama saying, no, no, sir. What is your... So then you have to have been aware of him beforehand. What is your window for coming out of nowhere? You know? It's very small. Like it has to be, it has to be coming onto the scene out of nowhere. I see it requires surprise. Okay. It's almost, it's, it's like when Wayne Gretzky got to the Hall of Fame, nobody's like,

Wayne Gretzky got out of, came here out of nowhere. Like it was literally exactly. Now that came out of nowhere. Yeah. No one saw that. That's the difference. That's the difference. Okay. I think we nailed it. I think we nailed it. The two greatest analogies there's ever been. The United States was no longer in the hands of mad men, but unfortunately for humanity, this was another vicious fraud. I want to like the guy. I bet you do. Gently. Get a haircut. He is, he seems to be a man of peace. Two seconds away from saying articulate. But you know what? Is that a tree is really, really measured by the quality of its... I'm sick of that metaphor. When you put away all the flowery words, when you put away all the rhetoric,

when you put away all the rock and roll music. I'm a racist. What he does is what's important for the people of the country, starting with the truth. Obama is notoriously a liar. He promised that he would get out of Iraq, I think within 16 months at some point. He's been president for two months. The Scotsman, that he wouldn't be bound by those promises. And sure enough, he's now not going to be bound by those promises. What about the Dutchman? So real quick, what about the Dutchman? Mr. Richards. So the interview Webster Tarpley is talking about there, isn't in the Scotsman. It was actually on the BBC, a show called Hard Talk. But honestly, who cares? Because everyone's lying about what Obama actually said about bringing troops home

during the campaign. Of course. From his official website. Quote, I'd go to the Wayback Machine to gather this one. Quote, Barack Obama believes you must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq, ending the war. The removal of the troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of one to two brigades per month that would remove all of them in 16 months. That's where the 16 month number comes from, not from a promise to bring everyone home within

that time period, but that it was assessment that what military experts believed was possible to do responsibly. Gotcha. An estimation of both the most expedient and the most responsible way of doing so. Yes, absolutely. Which, by any estimation, was a... Maybe a little ambitious. A little ambitious and didn't happen. And then when he did remove all the troops that ended up... Oh, how dare you remove all those troops, Obama! You're ruining this fucking country! You can't remove all those troops! And then it left a power vacuum that ISIS stepped in. You had to send more troops in. And that's all unfortunate, but there's no way for Alex to know any of that stuff now, so we leave that aside. So... It's a good thing that... Wait, it is fascinating. It is fascinating

to watch this documentary now and remember we're still there. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right? It's not great. Like, this seems so far in the past. It is. It seems so far in the past. It's almost a decade ago he made this film. I know. And we're still fucking there. Yeah, it's a mess. And because we've been there for essentially my entire adult life... Yeah. Yeah. It's almost in the background all the time. Like, behind all of the Trump news... Are there more of you 16 when the Iraq war started? Something like that. Yeah. You're three years older than me. Why are we pretending that there's this massive... No, I was just trying to do the math. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't saying that like as a dismissal. Oh, yeah. I remember that I was 19. I graduated high school. Yeah. That's the only reason I...

Right, right. No, I couldn't participate in any of these anti-war protests because I was still in high school. I was in my in-between year of high school and college, which most people used to backpack Europe and I did drugs in the basement. That is eerily close. Yeah. Did a lot of drugs in the basement and also did some protesting. But yeah, not wasted time. It's amazing that regardless of all the palace intrigue that we read about with Trump every fucking day, we're still doing this. Yeah. We're still fucking doing it. It's a real sobering realization. I mean, to the point where in the 2018 election, in the 2016 election, nobody ran on ending the war in Iraq. I think a lot of people just assumed we're still going to be doing this

till we die. I think the... I don't know. If you talk about the presidents, I think they were throwing bigger shit at each other to some extent. But then maybe some down ballot people brought it up. I'm amazed. Be that as it may. I agree with you. It's sobering and depressing. It's fucked up. It's not something that we would like to be the case. But there's more important things to talk about in terms of what he said there because he was talking about Samantha Power doing this interview, which he said was in the Scotsman. It was actually on BBC Hard Talk. So Samantha Power was an advisor for the Obama campaign in 2008. In her Hard Talk interview, she expressed doubts that Obama could realistically withdraw the troops in the 16-month timeframe.

She clarified that Obama would take all the advice available and would work on making the best path forward once he was in office and do all the variables, stressing that the plans that he's able to make as a candidate and a senator are not the same as what he would be able to make once he's the president. And it would be foolish to make a plan in March 2008 when the situation may change by January 2009. So she was just basically clarifying. Not may. Will. Yeah. She was just clarifying and she said that the 16-month window reflected a best case scenario, which I think is a fair way to put it, even from what Obama promised. I don't think that that's unfair at all. But interestingly, based on the fact that Webster Tarpoli mentions that

interview incorrectly as Power doing an interview with the Scotsman, I know that he knows that she also was no longer with the Obama campaign, having resigned in March 2008 in the immediate aftermath of her interview with the Scotsman. The problem was that she said this, quote, we fucked up in Ohio. In Ohio, they're obsessed and Hillary is going to, she's going to town with it because she knows Ohio is the only place that she can win. She's a monster too. That's off the record. She's stooping to anything. If you're poor and she's telling you some story about Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it'll be more effective. The amount of deceit she's put forward is really unattractive. So she was, I did not know that Obama hired Scaramucci as well.

She went off script with the Scotsman and in the immediate... This is off the record. Excuse me. You know we have to agree to that before... You can't just throw that out there. You can't just say it's off the record. Also, we're the Scotsman. We don't give a shit if you say it's off the record. We're not from there. No. So she obviously had some fallout from this and had to resign from the campaign, which Tarpley has to know if he's referencing the Scotsman. If he's referencing the Scotsman. So he already knows that this is something that happened in March 2008, presumably nine, 10 months before this interview happened. He's referencing an interview that was done on a different medium than he's reporting,

which is just her clarifying a misconception about the position that Obama had. And he knows that immediately, almost immediately after both of these interviews, because they were pretty close together, she ended up leaving the campaign. So I rate this as utter bullshit. That's complete bullshit. I agree. A pledge in hundreds of speeches and interviews that within six months of being elected, he was going to bring our troops home from Iraq. It hasn't been six months since he's been elected yet. No, and he didn't say that. If he had said that, that's the easiest clip for Alex to prove. Pull it up. Throw it on there. He didn't commit to bringing home people after six months. It was inaugurated. The story changed. Now he said that they would look at bringing some of the

troops home in 16 months. Two weeks later, his story had changed again. Now the administration won. It didn't change. It reflected the advice of the people who he had hired to advise him in those capacities. Right. Right. Would look at bringing the troops home in 23 months. You know, it's fun about the Washington Post. This article that Alex has up on. Right. Right. So Iraq withdrawal colon. Obama weighs 23 months plan. He's highlighted 23 months. Yeah. But up in the up a little bit higher, you see Blagojevich's brother asked for a donation before Senate appointment. Blago. Oh, man. Those were the days, right? Back when Blagojevich was fucking everything up. Those were the days. Blago. Oh, fuck you, Blagojevich. Well, Obama's already fudging. Yeah, but since day one

in this election, where he first said we're getting out, show me Willie Nelson, timetable, no whammies, no whammies to him. They're understanding that he ain't going to be able to get him out because people more powerful than him got us in when he first. Oh, I wanted Willie Nelson did not. I wanted at least one nod. No more Willie. But that that doesn't mean anything. What what he's saying. But also I love the just because I'm a Lovecraft fan. I love the idea of like he can't take them out because more powerful people brought them in the other ones. No, that reminds me. Do you know the case of Charles Dexter Ward? No, I don't. The one of Lovecraft's books. No, I know you've referenced it and I still haven't read it. One of the things in it is despite you.

It has to do with necromancy to to an extent being able to raise the dead. I know what I understand is for the listener. How dare you. But what one of the rules of it is don't bring up something you can't bring back down. Like don't raise a more powerful spirit than you're able to handle. Right. Right. That'll just fuck you up. Right. That sort of thing. That's all I hear there is is like, did you read Lovecraft? I know you didn't. Sort of the same idea. They could have read Hellblazer. That's possible. That's possible. Also, in that in the case of Charles Dexter Ward, there's some little subtle comedy of Charles Dexter Ward bringing back to life Benjamin Franklin to to get some secrets from him. He's not called Benjamin Franklin. You have to read

between the lines. Oh, that's fine. Figure out. Oh, Benjamin Franklin. Just ran. Remember he was going to take the troops out. I get in there. troops come home. That's what you heard. That's not what he said. Day one. There is no military solution in Iraq. And there never was. I will begin to remove our troops from Iraq immediately. Begin to doesn't mean bring them all begin to could mean set a timetable begin to means the process of it. This is not a demonstration of a lie. Begin to means I could bring one home every week. That's still beginning to remove the troops from Iraq or even you don't have to physically bring someone back. If you consult with your experts and set a goal of when you're going to that's still beginning bringing people back. Right. It's

a process. It's not right. They want a unilateral executive who's going to just act. They want a fascist. Yes, they want someone to go through the bullshit and be like consequences be damned. Everyone's coming home. Yeah. Those people over there. I don't care. They're all going to get slaughtered. It doesn't seem like they're interested so much in what's the best way to achieve a goal so much as they are in scoring points on promises. Yeah. You know, like that idea of less than two months into his presence. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. It's just it's it's a charade. It's a nonsense game they're putting on. I mean, even if you want the look, I want the war in Iraq to end. Yeah. Even though we've announced mission accomplished

how many times an insane amount of time. I want the past to be different, but we can't change that. Exactly. But even then, like, there's no way that a reasonable person could say that just unilaterally removing all troops now is going to be a good thing. No, it's the same thing with more calls dumbass shit about like immediately cutting off all foreign aid. Yeah. The idea of like, Hey, everybody being self resilient and self sustaining. That is a great outcome. Yeah. But the path towards that outcome that you are suggesting will lead to everyone dying. Right. That that it's the same thing. You pull all the troops out, you are just willing innocent people to die at a much greater number than already have. Well, and even even to to change the subject,

like, let's go with any kind of unilateral action like that. Like, I think a single payer care system is the best way to go. Yeah. The idea of Congress tomorrow Institute, even if we had super majorities in both houses, that could overcome a veto, the idea of them setting up a single payer healthcare system tomorrow is a terrible fucking idea. That would be chaos on a scale that nobody could comprehend the results of which would be a both disastrous and and unforeseeable, you know, being in a nice cool pool feels good. But in the wrong conditions, if you jump in, you could have a heart attack. Yeah, that sort of shock that comes from. Yeah, you're going to you're going to have to find a way to

because yeah, yeah, in the same way that, you know, there is this sort of fetishizing and hero idealizing of a of a like singular individual. They great man theory of history. Right. They are also beholden to the idea of singular variables about things. And don't consider all of these external ideas like, Oh, well, doing that will affect all these other things. Right. Right. It's a it's a failure of, like, I think complex thinking. Well, and that goes back to our group of Rome, problematic thing club, club of Rome, club of Rome, I apologize, the villains of Jones as well. Exactly. Like there doesn't mention at all. Like they're their idea of like, okay, you can play whack-a-mole, but you're not going to solve anything until you actually

right deal with the totality of the issue. Yeah. And that's somehow that's both a critique and a negative for these guys. Yeah. Well, it's because they're dumb. They are dumb. That's that's what it really boils down to. It's a it's a lack of documentary we've moved on and our show. It's we finally got a lot more listeners. Now it's time to call it quits. It's a lack of willingness to engage with complex ideas. Yeah. Insisting instead to be like, nope, it's the communists, but that's the same thing with the Fed. Like it makes you angry to have to go to the second page of Google. It makes you angry. That's so foreign to me, because I love it. I know it's weird to me, but that's why we're going to be killed by Trump fans.

I'm excited for it. Yeah. And then that went to 16 months. And now he's going to add this saying another 30,000 or more troops to Afghanistan. These numbers are off. Next, he sent 30,000 more Marines to Afghanistan, doubling the total number of forces in the crosshairs. Barack then announced that he was going to move missile systems into Eastern Europe to encircle Russia. But ah, there we are. After he kept Bush's Secretary of Defense Robert. There's that animation. Yep. So real quick on this, this is very important. That idea of Obama encircling Russia isn't remotely true, especially in 2009. From a July 2009 article on America.gov, quote, positioning a limited anti ballistic missile system in Europe has been a significant issue

between the United States and Russia. Under President George W. Bush, the United States proposed stationing 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and an advanced radar station in the Czech Republic to protect allies in Europe and thwart rogue states with nuclear ballistic missiles. Russian officials have expressed concern over the scope of the anti ballistic missile system. Obama and then Russian President Medvedev said they have directed their missile experts to, quote, conduct a joint review of the entire spectrum of means at our disposal that allow us to cooperate on monitoring the development of missile programs around the world. Obama was working on cooperating with Russian President Medvedev to make the region safer in ways that

serve both countries interests. To present this as some sort of an aggression towards Russia is complete bullshit. And even though this joint agreement wasn't finalized until July of 2009, there were news reports all over the place earlier in the year when Alex was working on this documentary that testified to the fact that Obama was trying to find a way to work together. The only reason for him to not know that is willful willful ignorance or he's lying. That's the only way around this or and this to me seems more likely to Medvedev and Obama. That is cooperation right but to a certain nationalistic Russian might have been that might not have been cooperation so much as might have been attack on our sovereignty might have been president in all but name.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean there is that but I can find no real evidence of it so it seems weird to say but like right but it's it serves that narrative that Alex is putting into the world of the idea that like Obama is trying to work to encircle Russia it does serve the propaganda interests of Russia that we know today yeah certainly it does but I can't find any evidence like to back that up so just being that feels no no no I'm not going to it just I'm not going to make that claim definitively I'm just going to say that uh once again uh who has motive right we both know yeah it it feels very weird and very in line with Alex's feelings about Russia generally speaking but in terms of this documentary it also is like Occam's razor could tell us that it's just

a way for him cheaply to misrepresent something to lie about Obama right right so that's good enough for me of course no no no and I agree yeah hey quick question great uh and I don't know that's my response I love a quick question quick question I don't know if you know this or not and in fact I probably would guess at 95 percent you don't do interceptor missiles actually work like has anybody ever it's so like that whole I think they do do they though well I think they do it's really hard as a deterrent it's really really hard to shoot a missile out of the sky because it's essentially a a tiny little bird flying at 10 million miles an hour you could shoot a plane out of the sky yeah but a plane is big and can't go as fast not small planes

I think as I understand that the technology does exist in a way that you could shoot down missiles right I believe that does exist right but even beyond that um you know there is a little bit of a brinksmanship in terms of like you don't know all the technology I have no of course I don't know all the technology no no no of course I set these things up here you don't want to waste your rockets that you spent tons of money on right with the idea that I might be able to shoot them right right no there is a deterrent effect to it the Reagan gambit of star wars and and so on so there's something to it yeah yeah whether or not it's a good idea to put billions of dollars into right that's a whole other conversation but I think it like from everything that I've ever read about

interceptor missiles it's like a success rate of like that kind of thing that's better than zero no it is better than zero I'm just I'm just interested in whether or not anybody's ever actually because it's it's really hard to do yeah I agree I agree it seems like it's difficult but I don't know I look who cares I know you don't know the answer to it no I was just kind of hoping that maybe like maybe by some random ass chance you were like and I've looked into interceptor missiles can I be honest I no longer like quick questions five you have ruined them for me only long questions from here on out come to this policy is if you're constantly meddling near the Russian borders with these fascist creeps who does that NATO agents like Yushenko of Ukraine

or Sakashvili or Georgia he's eating his time why is that why is that the your time that's great b-roll and if they decide to start a war that rapidly escalates into thermonuclear world war three this is worse than the neocons bush and cheney never got as far as brzezinski soros and the other people running whoa we get a soros that is the only time soros's name is mentioned in any way in this documentary which is super fucked up because with the idea that webster tarpoli is coming in saying that he is one of the people who runs obama why wasn't he listed in that list of people that included three people who aren't in the obama administration you had kissinger in their house you know like why why didn't you throw a soros in there because

he's not someone who's on alex's radar in any meaningful way in 2009 now I mean it's interesting how is he on tarpoli's radar what's tarpoli up to well he's a linden lorush guy oh that's true so he's an anti-semite through and through also two things about this clip so far one how many more places are we going to interview tarpoli this is like our number three I think at least this is like our fifth background yeah like this is crazy how many it is weird but they all do see they're probably the same room and that yeah that outside shot was probably outside this hotel yeah it's the same place yeah and two because our because our listeners can't see it the clip they showed we were spot the b-roll we were responding to the b-roll we showed uh

what's it what was the guy's name uh it wasn't yushenko it was one it was another one of those fascist creeps yeah yeah it was the ukrainian guy right no that's yushenko uh oh shit now i'm now i don't remember who it was but it was one of the fascist creeps that he that tarpoli listed so he's sitting at a table uh and he's got an official table oh yeah it looks like it's a whatever version of you it's the whatever version of the oval office his country has he's on the phone and he's just kind of eaten his time he's chewing on his time which is like all right if you're gonna if you're gonna slander a guy that's the perfect clip to have it's one of the best cases of editing in this documentary yeah absolutely i would say it would only have been better if during that time

he had the clip of hw puking in the japanese prime minister's lap just just a shame real yeah yeah just like all right okay i get it in terms of all this stuff like i think it's kind of outside of our purposes really to do a deep dive into the geopolitical situation in eastern europe in 2009 i'm just gonna leave that alone for now just because it's you know it's outside of the thrust of the documentary i'll say though that it's just important to remember that what that conversation about the fascist creeps around uh russia what that was predicated on is the idea that obama was putting missiles around russia and that's absolutely not true yeah and that's the most important thing in terms of the discussion of what's happening here i i don't care to uh get into the petty

squabbles of whether or not uh soros was working for good or ill because uh it's all lies and even then they specifically point out that he's putting interceptor interceptor missiles around there which by their very definition are defensive well sure sure and they are not there you can't i i don't know if you can or not i assume you can't but you can't just like launch an interceptor missile on moscow it seems like you would have built a quick question no i don't know anything you know what never mind i know a lot about interceptor missile swore that he would bernie sander's looking real pissed hey bernie how you doing he doesn't want to be sick of that shit obama decried the bush administration's illegal warrantless wiretapping of the american

people then he voted to legalize it so real quick a couple things uh he said uh that obama said he was gonna get rid of the patriot act he never said that he just said that he what he was gonna do is revisit it to see how it could be improved to uh strengthen oversight about government surveillance right the promise itself i think is weak and so vegas to be meaningless so i don't really know but he did follow through with it like he did re examine the patriot act uh alex is just pretending that he said he was going to get rid of it yeah initially he voted against it when he was in the senate and then a year later he voted for its renewal so he has a complicated history with it but in terms of the wiretapping thing he alex is right oh yeah alex is right no by no means are we

gonna uh obama didn't do enough uh to curb that uh he either some moves were made and all that but also here we have on screen alex has pushed up this uh i guess it's a washington post article but it's about feisa it's about foreign intelligence surveillance yeah that isn't necessarily what alex is talking about so he's trying to make this about the idea that all americans are being spied on but that's that's not what this article is about right so it's it's more complicated than that i'm willing to give him like the a bit of a point no yeah yeah he didn't do enough on that one i the the fun thing about this uh even watching this now is that i would i would posit that the debate on obama's presidency 20 years from now is going to be far more

fascinating even than the debate on obama's presidency we're still too close to it a little bit yeah yeah like it will be his his legacy will be so interesting to try and like work through on a line by line basis once we're out of the crisis that we're in in 2018 like it's very hard for us to have the gift of insight right or force uh uh uh uh what would it be uh you know the hindsight yeah uh while we're in like uh oh yeah times all the time yeah constant chaos no and it's the the sort of corollary of that is that this was made two months into his presidency yeah that's true so like when they're saying he's not outlawing uh surveillance he doesn't he hasn't gotten rid of the patriot act two months in buddy two months in you know it not he not that they're wrong

totally but they have no business saying that they're right right because that hasn't happened yet right right right obama pledged that he would filibuster any attempt to give retroactive immunity to the telephone companies the telecom companies except he then turned around and voted for that bill most he's right tar please fair on that one balloons oh my god balloons are dropping everywhere voted to reinstate the patriot act and more government wiretapping candidate obama told desperate factory workers in speech after speech that he was going to renegotiate nafta and gat to make it more fair for american workers it is absolutely true that nafta was a mistake but then his campaign was caught sending out memos to top corporate leaders telling them

not to worry and that it was just campaign rhetoric we had so ooh this sounds like a smoking gun dan this is a we've got we got one absolutely correct statement that uh our our boy mustachalist wilfred brimley said uh and spider tarps webster and now we're gonna keep going um so i pause this here just so you can see this article here it's uh from ctv dot ca uh a canadian news uh organization yeah tar please gonna say a little bit more about this and then i'll explain what the situation is obama saying you know i'm against free trade i don't like nafta and all those free trade sellouts we had austin ghoulsby going to the canadian diplomats and saying don't don't mind him he's just popping off that's just election era rhetoric doesn't mean anything

presidential candidate so real real quick i forgot this is also still a news camp uh article said in that rock obama was publicly criticizing the north american free trade agreement in a bid for votes but privately telling canadian officials not to worry about it so this is all an interesting piece of bullshit that webster tar please spinning okay and they are using news reports that were erroneous in order to back up their story this is absolutely a case of a smear uh absolutely a case of so here here's the situation yeah tar please saying that during the 2018 or 2008 campaign obama was just saying that he was against nafta but he was going around telling people in canada that it was just blustery campaign and he has a canadian article and one

local access news channel to defend it so the first problem is that obama wasn't anti nafta he was just insistent that it needed to be improved to add labor and environmental protections into it right that was his take on the campaign trail right he was pretty consistent about that right second the story about him privately reassuring canadian diplomats through his advisor austin ghoulsby isn't true and most likely it was actually a coordinated smear against obama carried out during the 2008 campaign the story that alex flashes up on screen that article from c uh c tv they reported on february 27th that there was a memo that the uh that an obama advisor had contacted the canadian embassy and told them that obama's rhetoric was just quote

political maneuvering in the fallout from this story being published obama's camp denied the story the canadian embassy denied the story no records to be found of an obama advisor contacting the canadian embassy there was no record or transcript anywhere to be found this was days before the ohio primary a place where nafta was particularly unpopular so both clinton and obama oh no they were painting each other as the one who secretly was most in favor of nafta no by march 3rd a story the story had changed to being about austin ghoulsby uh obama advisor visiting the canadian consulate in chicago yeah and that's where the comment was made this is likely a canadian consulate here yeah i'll be god damn we have a lot of consulates we're

uh we're a metropolitan city yeah we're an international city hey everybody welcome to chicago the story likely changed because ghoulsby did visit the consulate on february 8 2008 and nafta was a topic that came up uh in his meeting but he flatly denied saying anything close to what was alleged yeah when a write-up of the full meeting was offered it included this text quote on nafta ghoulsby suggested that obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favor of strengthening clarifying uh the language on labor mobility and environment uh and trying to establish these as more core principles of the agreement that's pretty much exactly what obama was saying on the campaign trail there were also parts in this

write-up that involved that quote political maneuvering comment that were roundly denounced by ghoulsby who said he didn't say anything uh even close to that and it was an inappropriate inference made by whoever had written that report yeah the canadian embassy issued an apology that same day on march 3rd quote in the in the recent report uh produced by the consul general in chicago there was no intention to convey in any way that senator obama and his campaign team were talking taking a different position in public from views expressed in private including about nafta we deeply regret any inference that could have been drawn out to that effect in the fallout accusations were made that ian brody the chief staff uh chief of staff for the conservative prime

minister steven harper an ally of bush had been behind the leak with the interest of interfering with the united states election whatever the case is and whoever was behind it which is still to some extent unclear this is a situation where somebody did obama dirty and the lie had a real effect hillary would go on to win the ohio primary because of this smear most likely and it's hard to say obama was gaining ground and he had a chance to win and in the aftermath of that she did end up winning the ohio primary right it's pointless to relitigate that to some extent because of how history ended up working out yeah but then mccain would go on to bring up that story even though the truth had come out about it to smear obama on the general election it's it's

insane because look it's two stages of it he did nothing wrong austin ghoulsby did nothing wrong yeah it's clear from it that there's no evidence they got swift voted more or less by someone within this uh conceivably someone within the canadian consulate yeah uh who was working across purposes in order to paint the picture that obama was a flip flopper and a lie right when that wasn't the case and now we have alex jones using that by this point it when he's making this documentary all the information is there like he should know that this isn't something that is is sincere right right but hard and fast rule now for uh public politicians um even going down to the shit even going down to the staff don't have a cartoonishly evil name ghoulsby ghoulsby yeah i look i don't

want to be that guy right i don't want to tell you that you have to change your name but come on man you can't be ghoulsby of course you're gonna be in a fucking controversy ghoulsby is tough your name is ghoulsby yeah look the moment they said that conspiracy theory and you said ghoulsby i was like there's probably some truth to it it's wrong turns out now the canadian embassy's haunted none of it none of it is true but come on ghoulsby i'm gonna believe on a little bit of a uh like animalistic level that visceral human uh yeah you just ghoulsby you said ghoulsby probably something intrinsic distrust of ghosts yeah ghost adjacent people ghost adjacent people i distrust across the board so anyway that's hot bullshit but also alexa fit involved it in his documentary which is

then again by definition all human beings are ghost adjacent only if you believe ghosts exist there you go let's move on you ghoulsby he said that he was going to bring us peace in the middle east no he didn't he said that he was going to bring us transparency and a balanced economy get a haircut he said that he was going to not have have lobbyist he said he was going to clean up government he said he was going to work for what you're laughing about you're laughing about they've spelled out deceiver with obama being the eye like obama's silhouette being the eye deceiver it's clunky as hell it is so clunky i thought they were like i was trying i legitimately was like are they trying to spell december i honestly tuned that out the first two times i

watched this documentary it didn't even register because it looks like it looks like instead of obama being the eye he's like the other part of the it's like a why yeah it's nonsense it's bad it's bad that's terrible it's terrible like visual art it's truly terrible which is another part of this documentary that's terrible it's visually unsatisfying oh it's the second degree oh which is why like legitimately when i was going through this trying to like find like what are the points of this documentary yeah i would end up watching like three minutes and then have to walk to the bathroom and look in the mirror like just be like oh what am i doing i gotta stand up are we ever gonna gotta stand up it took me what's the payoff here this this documentary is two hours long and

like legitimately the first time i watched through it it probably took me two days just because i kept pausing i'm like now i gotta read a wrestling article i gotta read what's going on with becky lynch you know i gotta i gotta get my mind off this this sucks right this documentary is terrible it is bad deceiver the environment and point by point get a haircut in the first month of his inauguration he has lied and deceived and cheated so i i i feel no obligation to respond to any of these complaints that george humphrey is making here because they're recording this fucking documentary less than two months before after obama got into office he's talking about campaign promises and sure some of it is fair like fair criticism like the idea of obama saying he wasn't going to have

lobbyists in his administration and then waivers for people yeah like that sort of thing sure fair criticism yeah but like some of these other things that require time it is so unfair of them it's it's nonsense no the the bullshit uh first hundred days arbitrary bullshit that the media throws on there yeah is stupid two months is even dumber yeah yeah even dumber so as i was sitting down and and and listening to all this like i just kept getting this feeling like it really was overwhelming that like trying to figure out why they think what they think two months into his term is a futile exercise black maybe he's a black president dan maybe done probably but it's done it was a futile exercise like they've already decided he's breaking all the promises they decided

that doesn't matter they decided that before he won the primary you bet when alex started making this documentary yeah and you know what what i've realized from this like when we've when we've listened to 2009 episodes and alex was talking about like i'm gonna finish this documentary no no when he's like i'm i'm working on this documentary i'm working 16 hour days i guarantee first of all i worked harder on this than he did on this documentary oh great but second i'm convinced now as i watch this documentary so much of it is padded filler from like end game yeah a lot of it is stuff that is just like cfr sucks yeah you know stuff like that that has nothing to do with obama i guarantee no matter who won he was going to make

this documentary oh yeah the clinton deception absolutely or something like that absolutely won absolutely it doesn't matter none of this matters and alex's response to that would be like of course i would have done that because it's about who's behind them right whatever so it's a futile argument to make yeah like the points that he's making rely on the specifics of what obama has done did do who he put into uh the positions that he put in and it does matter it does matter who won the election right for alex's argument and it just i look at this and i'm like this is the crassest fucking thing in the world it makes me feel gross that we're covering it i mean we still got it i mean i it on on the on the on the same on on the same level um i i agree i think

one the one thing that this makes eminently clear and i've i've i've already been on this tip and i've said it furiously and loudly so often but these people are the rich uh well uh they're probably delicious they've been eating nice food for so long marbled butts oh so good um you just get a flank out of a a allen greenspan a slow twitch muscle uh the the futility of arguing with somebody in this kind of bad faith no i like why like why would you go that's the big problem right like why would you watch this documentary and then think oh well going on fox news to get my point out there is going to make sense no these people decided years before you showed up on their fucking show what their narrative was going to be the bad and you have nothing to do with the bad

faith part of it is like that's the bedrock of it yeah the added comedy of like the he's been in office like 45 days yeah exactly that is that and it's 45 days when the documentary was released right which means it was finished 44 days before but when these interviews happened were i don't know negative 10 days before he was inaugurated god you would hope you know like it's it's this sort of thing or it's like i don't even know how to take this seriously yeah and i understand that like there's valid criticisms of obama and we have them as well but like i can't take this seriously yeah it made it so like again i just had to keep walking away from it yeah and i'm this is going to haunt me much more than endgame it really pisses me off to prove uh the thing i said eight

and a half hours ago uh i really miss obama back when you were at home before you came over here i really this documentary showed me how much i miss obama president and i'm so good as president i mentioned this like in the i mean i don't know about the actual president part but god damn it waking up every day and watching him talk i meant i mentioned this like really early uh in the the first episode is that like uh when i was going through trying to find those points from those those speeches that alex was taking out of context i ended up watching the whole speeches because he like obama is an amazing speaker and he's able to convey points yeah um in a way that's really interesting to listen to like oh that's what you're getting at yeah like he lays out

an argument no and it's not just like hey uh those people in the back in the media they fucking suck right right no and uh whatever hey maybe maybe an old jew is paying that caravan like what wait we need to get some of these second amendment people to write my speeches i can't imagine a scenario wherein like i forget that trump was president a couple years from now oh good god no right but no that happens and then i'm doing it uh like a podcast about a documentary about trump and i go back and i watch some of the speeches and i'm like i forgot how like really great these speeches were man yeah american people the people of the united states in the world were filled with hope that obama was the real deal when in his first weekend office he

signed an executive order supposedly closing guantanamo bay and other secret prisons then the press actually had a chance to read the executive order and were shocked to find that the executive order only said that obama was thinking about closing guantanamo in a year so alex says that obama signed this executive order saying he's thinking about closing guantanamo bay are there orders that are like that's a diary entry i had an executive order uh executive order number 4300 or actually way they're we're in my in my earlier pronouncement you know kennedy one one executive order one one zero zero zero one one one zero zero zero zero one one one one one one on uh it can't be like i'm thinking about having a having a nice meal for lunch executive order

one one zero zero one zero zero zero one i'm thinking rb's branded content in executive order brilliant i don't understand what the executive order one one one zero zero i had a dream about bears and i don't know what that means i don't understand what alex is trying to present because it's a ludicrous proposition the idea that a president of this country would put out an executive order it's like i can't feel this way like that's stupid that's fucking stupid anyone who would hear that and be like oh he did you have to sign your name to i'm thinking about closing guantanamo in reality he signed executive order 13 492 which set an explicit timetable to close guantanamo and relocate the people being held there now admittedly they ended up blowing it in

terms of actually following that timetable but alex can't know that in march 2009 oh he can't he can't know that the substance of the actual executive order sets a timetable of a year when they're going to reevaluate the position of all of the people who are held there and also reinforces the idea that they have to be kept in humane conditions right according to the geneva conventions now while it's bad uh oh sorry this refers to something that alex is about to say okay all right but worst of all the executive order continued the practice of rendition which the la times called secret abductions because that's the death yeah that's pretty much what they are so he's saying that it's bad that they didn't end renditions but it's also i mean it's just not in the executive

order all alex is saying is that the executive order about the timetable to close guantanamo bay didn't also include hey also let's stop renditions right i wish that obama did stop renditions i i would i wish that that would never happen but it also isn't expected to be like a compound executive order like the what he's he's attacking him for something that is not even a part of it's it is fascinating because so far the most salient criticisms he's made of obama can only be uh uh solved by obama having fascistic dictator powers or being closer to our version of like near socialist left yeah because exactly like i spoiler alert later on they're going to explicitly say you should nationalize the federal reserve all right well then it's looking what are

you doing which is like i mean that's but yeah so so you want to have obama you want to blame obama for not closing guantanamo bay how does obama do that he just says guantanamo bay is closed right so you now have an executive who can just whatever he wants well the consequences of that need to fall where they may and what one of those things that is going to inevitably a part of be a part of that is all of the people who you are now releasing maybe some of them were actual terrorists and now they are fucking they are super terrorists now yeah they are i would you wouldn't you wouldn't like hero season three with level five yeah yeah if you are actually bad reference yeah i don't want to sorry i was gonna walk over that sorry if you are a terrorist that has been held indefinitely

and force fed uh you are not going to suddenly be released and be like oh okay cool now i'm not a terrorist now the whole reason that they the whole reason that they didn't fucking close it is because if the because they knew that there were so many people that they were holding who were innocent who are gonna sue the fuck out of them and who are gonna fucking win now that's for the tune of a lot of money that's what i was about to get to yeah because that is a also that which is i don't know why i'm mad in the wrong i don't know how i'm mad in that direction everybody is bad no totally except for the people who are innocent who are held in guantanamo bay who deserve restitution beyond all reasonable measures they absolutely do but you have you have to consider that like

what that ends up doing is forcing the issue too of like all of these people going to the Hague oh yeah it create it what which actually i would say let's go ahead yeah let's go ahead and do it yeah yeah but i'm talking myself into circle i actually think you probably should have just released everybody and let the chips fall where they may probably because it's because it's mainly right thing to do at least then maybe he wouldn't have wound up in the Hague i think that he's signed off immediately on closing guantanamo but he's allowing prisoners now to be taken to foreign countries and not knowing where they're sending them and to be tortured in foreign countries they don't know that they kept that provision in there obama is now continuing the practice

of secret arrest secret prisons and most importantly indefinite detention without trial which you will be for a scams 10 years from now release secret british and us torture orders that prove that the bush administration was ordering personnel to systematically abuse detainees barack obama threatened to cut off all us intelligence ties to england to add insult to injury he stated that the program was important to national security not only endorsing bush's crimes but continuing them so on screen here we have on man but on screen here we have the aclu alex is referencing the aclu which is which he absolutely despises and hates and hopes dies for alex do better yeah but the story that he's talking about they are a good resource for factual

information but but the story he's telling makes no sense because by this time like by 2009 by the time obama was even running for president everyone knew that the bush administration's position was pro-torture yeah like it was a national disgrace and we had a pretty public debate about it and the administration said meh who cares they didn't really give a shit about it and we like i think a lot of activist people were like no you go to the hagg now i mean i remember being in protests that were i mean i wasn't fucking columbia missouri no right but that was the thrust of them like you are a fucking war criminal what are we doing like that that the revelation of the torture was like it was so profoundly impactful you know but yeah so sorry in 2009 alex saying that like obama is

trying to block these documents coming out in some way to be a denial or like hide the fact that bush tortured people is ludicrous everyone fucking already knew yeah already at that point and obama was clear on his position that he would end torture and waterboarding and he fucking did he absolutely did indeed some of the gray areas about like third countries and stuff like that is bad but he cut down on that to great degree right not not saying i'm not saying that's good enough but right it's it's hard to say like yeah you made it so that americans didn't torture people you did kind of outsource it though so now yeah exactly right before right not that that's better good i don't know are we are we pro i don't know yeah you hope you hope uh that you

just do none of it uh you know but i think that's the central issue with obama's presidency that we are going to relitigate 20 years from now to what extent is incremental change uh morally acceptable well i think based on the fact that it led to trump it's not at all yeah exactly right you would hope that if there was forward progress consistently then it would matter right it would matter because right what you do today is a building block for what happens tomorrow and what happens the next day and what happens the next day right it is like okay we can't achieve everything today but we do what we can and we swallow the hard pill that we don't want to be doing this and it sucks but it is what's best for um maintaining a exactly appropriate status quo right

i know that even hillary is gonna be the next president and she's gonna incrementally do better than that and even in that calculation we're not taking into account how much that is still horribly abusive to the rest of the world exactly and i don't want to minimize that exactly you would hope that like you know x x plus one x plus two x plus three x plus four x plus five x plus 10 or whatever you get to a point where it's not hurting the rest of the world exactly you hope that you're working towards that but since x plus one was trump it means nothing so incremental change probably doesn't matter but it felt like it did it it felt like it was and maybe that's the maybe that's the true reality that we learn about compromise maybe it's that

fuck that you know power exists in your hands for a certain amount of time yeah trying to preserve that power by equivocating and compromising is only serving the interests of the people who agree the exact opposite of you and when you are someone who is like we shouldn't kill people and the other side's like go ahead and kill people yeah then why are you compromising then it's it's abuse of the power that you have for the time that you have it to compromise because you had the power to say no fuck this right um i don't know it's hard i think i think my my uh if i were a uh like history uh master's degree student right now going for my phd yeah for real you're a full bright scholar i if i was a full bright scholar going for my phd i would definitely

write about how the first two years of obama's presidency was probably the lynchpin of history maybe the first two months as evidenced by this document i wouldn't go that far i would say the first two years were the lynchpin of history it you you may be right well at least modern history because there's so many other things that have pivot but i know that's not history is not gonna last much longer dad don't worry about it but so in climate change in this argument alex is trying to imply that obama was trying to protect the secrets of bush and that's not fair because the secrets are already out there about bush torturing people so it's impossible that that's what his motivation was in reality if you look into this obama threatened to limit

intelligence sharing with the united kingdom if they released that information but not because it revealed torture but because it would reveal some of the information that was gathered through the course of the interrogations now i still don't think that's great right it's very different right it's a very different scenario than what alex is painting he's not trying to protect bush or the idea that we tortured people we'd already owned up to that right and we felt bad about it he's trying to protect the idea that there is some information that was gathered from interrogations of people that would be released if the british put these reports out right so i don't know some people have speculated that contained in that information that the british would have released

was the information that obama used to track down bin laden right it's not entirely clear that's just something that's been suggested but if that's the case then that's a really good argument yeah i don't know i don't know that's all i gotta say is i don't know yeah yeah we're not gonna win that's the bummer of this right well no but the explanation of it we do win because he's lying oh yeah yeah no no absolutely on on the but again i'm i'm just like with our last documentary i'm rapidly forgetting that we are watching a documentary because this is just a this is a series of like a visuals and chyrons and all of that shit that have very little relationship to each other no so now we're just a little to do with obama yeah and now we're just kind of freewheeling

obama voted for a reinstatement of the patriot act yep and by his early deeds already again was we saw with his uh one month into his presidency no he voted for the fucking patriot act in 2006 he was in the fucking senate no he means his early deeds as president i think that's his early deeds like in the senate oh okay i think that's what he meant then never mind i'm good and people that have been charged with nothing to be tortured to so-called get the truth out of them if the makers of this film attempted to cover all of obama's lies this documentary would never be released by a copy of the dvd of the obama's section the scroll is infowars.com i love the idea that alex is like if the makers of this film me tried to do my job it would be long it would take

a while and i just not have the fucking energy to do that so misspelled everything it's crazy like you know trying to present it that way like the makers of this film like i got fucking hired to do voiceover work like pbs involved because there are new ones every day so in the interest of time we're going to cover one more big one there's an hour left of this documentary keeping lobbyists and donors out of his administration within hours of being elected obama did a 180 and filled the white house and federal government with lobbyists and donors at all levels now obama did say on the campaign trail he was not going to allow lobbyists to work on anything that was related to the industries that they had previously lobbied at right he did make those

promises and he didn't follow through with them fully that is a fair criticism agree and by the time he made this documentary that is still a fair criticism agree people that he put into office or put into place were people that had gotten waivers and things like that right so but but when he got into office obama did sign an executive order strengthening ethics rules about the hiring of lobbyists but it also allowed those waivers to be filed which kind of undermines the enforcement power of the executive order right again with right i'm not interested in defending obama on this front or any front really and i wish you would have stuck with that commitment but ultimately it's also the sort of thing that all presidents do yeah like if if alex had this big of a problem

with obama doing this like i just can't imagine how he feels about what trump did oh boy like i know i know that drain the swamp dam i know that like drain it i know that our idealism and our what we wish would be true is so caught up in this and alex is exploiting that to a certain extent because you know we we wish that this had been been the case right but if you look at almost every president ever they're like special interests are out when i'm in right and then they find a way to so alex is going to get into some of the lobbyists that were involved in obama's campaign are they all on the council foreign relationship i think we're i think we're through that cfr but some of these are interesting examples and some of them are really fucking terrible

obama picked william lin the top lobbyist for rathion to fill the number two position of the department of defense so he did he looks like he's a robot yeah he looks like a robot evil he was he was grown in a fucking tank so william lin being uh put in was a controversy like the mainstream media also had a firestorm with it they were very against this yeah nobody was because he was a lobbyist for rathon that is that's a hundred percent correct i agree isn't lying about that yep it's definitely not a good look since he had been recently working for rathon it wasn't even like years in the past the argument was that he was very qualified for the position at the defense department given that he was also an undersecretary for defense from 1997 to 2001

in the clinton administration he'd also been a senior fellow at the national defense university so he had qualifications for the job right in his waiver it was specified that he'd not be able to work in any matters that related to any of the six programs that he'd previously been a lobbyist for is that good enough probably not does using your that is your first example of obama's malfeasance mean you probably have a weak argument probably a little bit because like you could i don't want any i don't want anybody who has a financial interest doing anything right i don't want them anywhere right but i do see why william lin would be a very qualified candidate to be the undersecretary of defense right like i get it i i do understand and if there is oversight and an

awareness of like you get out of line i'm gonna fucking hit you right that sort of thing right i don't think he would be ineffective in that role i don't know i still would say i it's that it's that ultimate question of like you have someone who has a good resume great qualifications good for the job do you um deprive yourself of their experience because of the former job they had i don't know the answer to that question there's probably people who are equally qualified but maybe they didn't click right with the other people who were involved i don't know i don't know it's not my decision to make alex is kind of fine on this yeah he has a decent point i would say that there's another decent point who cares we're never gonna get to the bottom of

exactly timothy geithner former president of the five that guy bank of new york boom by obama to be secretary of the treasury that's a terrible animation tim geithner was never a lobbyist that that looks like one of those tywin use him in an animation lobbyist like his chief of staff mark paterson formerly the top lobbyist at goldman sacks like i said tim geithner was never a lobbyist he was the president of the new york federal reserve but he wasn't a lobbyist mark paterson worked at goldman sacks but he left the firm in april 2008 that's probably not enough time separation for my tastes but they felt it was uh he was well qualified for the position he was a democratic uh staff director and chief counsel for the senate finance committee from 1995

to 1999 and from 1999 to 2004 he was the policy director for senate democratic leader tom dashill so it's not like he he's only a lobbyist right he was woefully unqualified for the position he was being put into you know i don't know but also alex says that uh fucking tim geithner got in and he is presenting him as a lobbyist he wasn't right and then he's saying he packed the treasury department with lobbyists this is the one example he's got right that's not packing the department the chief of staff is a former lobbyist but also maybe qualified he's he's not indicting the people or obama he is indicting the revolving door system which i am fine with if you want to if you want indicting the people no i i mean that's what that's what i'm saying like he's he's ostensibly saying

that it's about these people individuals when in reality it's about the entire system that has created uh the the government that we exist in now well now if you wanted to make a documentary about that i think it would look a lot different yeah absolutely i think it would look no no no that's that's what i'm saying like all of the places where he has a point have nothing to do uh or are not specifically about these people like all of the places where he has making it exactly that's where he's wrong yeah i am with him on on like get money out of geithner geithner is a fucking asshole and and these guys shouldn't be lobbyists and they shouldn't be in the government but that's not about obama i know geithner's not a lobbyist he doesn't well that's fair

but but it's not a it's not like these guys are the individuals who are doing this this is part of a broader system of a revolving door in politics and lobbyists and and so on and so forth i i i i get where he's coming from and i agree on a certain level but he's wrong i understand i understand where that agreement comes from but the actual charges that he's making are not what you're concerned about agreed that's the problem with this that's the problem with this because because the the the the things you need to wrestle with are the things that we're talking about in terms of these people's actual resume right and it's like well if you had just taken a lobbyist for reython who had no experience in the defense department right or as a fellow at the national

defense university right and you'd put them in that position because they would be able to profit in some way then we have the absolute signs of corruption absolutely because that person had an experience in government and was someone who is relevant to the job it's not the same thing as that revolving door thing it is it's it's adjacent to it but it's not the same it's not the same as like betsy devils being the department of education oh yeah no secretary that's absolutely not the same it's not the same as ben carson being the head of hud and not like their lobbyists or anything like that but it is the like those are people who are uniquely unqualified to be in the positions that they're in right these people even though they had a history as lobbyists were qualified

right so you yeah no and the it's just it's a decision i'm glad i never have to make right i look at it and they're like i see both sides of this i don't think this is a damning indictment of anything no but if i agree has an example of someone who is dead to rights unqualified coming up then i'll agree with him absolutely let's see obama appointed top lobbyist to the saudi royal family george michel as the lead middle eastern envoy obama appointed the king so um this george michel uh he had been employed at dla piper uh previously to being chosen as obama uh his choice for the middle east uh envoy but i can find no evidence he was actually lobbying for saudi arabia or the royal family interestingly has he ever registered as a foreign agent retroactively i

don't think so but interestingly the firm he worked uh for after leaving the obama administration did do some lobbying work for saudi but that was in 2015 right i can find no evidence that he did any before that but alex couldn't know about that in 20 2009 of course so michel is an interesting case because leave aside the unproven saudi uh lobbying claims and you have a perfect candidate for the job and simultaneously maybe the dirt worst on the one hand michel has a resume a mile long of lobbying for big tobacco manufacturing interests in the insurance lobby it makes me very uncomfortable about him at the same time the position obama was looking to fill was the special envoy for middle east peace and michel had a fucking good set of qualifications there he'd

previously served as special envoy uh for northern ireland from 1995 to 2001 where he was involved in the belfast peace agreement and earned that earned michel a liberty medal and the presidential medal of freedom because he resolved a very tense situation in northern ireland which isn't perfect still but it was way worse in 2000 bill clinton sent michel on a fact finding mission to see what he could learn about the arab-israeli conflict in 2001 he released the michel report which called for the israelis right to fucking stop building settlements in palestinian territories and called for the palestinians to work on preventing violence no i remember the michel report beyond that he was a senator from main from 1980 to 1995 he was a senate majority leader for six of

those years and he was a senior fellow and senior research scholar at the clumbia university center for international conflict resolution that is a very specifically qualified resume for someone that obama might look to to be the special envoy for middle east peace should he have been disqualified because he had done lobbying work for these other industries in the past maybe i don't fucking know but that's a great resume for someone you want to send over he has experience in middle east peace negotiations he's successful successfully in quotes largely made progress in northern ireland right that seemed hopeless before right he has diplomatic and conflict resolution experience and is someone in good standing with a 15 year record as a senator right and the point here though

is his job is middle east envoy it's not overseeing special middle east on i apologize sorry i apologize for cutting him short but it's not overseeing other shit it's his job is literally leave the rest of the shit alone and it's see what you can do on this issue that you already had experience in 2001 it probably have a lot of connections right in that world you know a lot of people who would be more willing to talk to you than other people agree it's someone who is easy to plug into that role i don't know i don't fucking know i don't know what to do with this like because if he was able to be in that role and there were ethics rules in place about like nothing you do can in any way touch any business that you have lobbied for right i'd be fine with

that because it's unrelated to big tobacco manufacturing interested in sure exactly you're like i don't i don't know i don't know no if you look i mean it's like if jimmy carter gives up a peanut farm because he's worried about ethics issues yeah i'm i'm fine there's there's there's a line yeah and that's when you have a shit ton of hotels that are making a lot more money because you're the president and people want to stay there in order to get good graces much special interest groups do tours yeah yeah yeah i think that might be a line yeah but see that's the thing that'll never happen see that's the thing that i was i i'm not saying you're wrong to bring that up because it's fucking super relevant oh yeah but that was kind of one of the things that i had hoped we

would avoid because it feels like what about ism i know it's not i know it's not yeah yeah i agree with you it is just a situation where it's like well here's a clear cut example of like what's going on now which is exactly the opposite of what you're saying right but it does feel like we are trying to and we're not but it could appear or someone could hear it as us being like well here's let's let obama off the hook because here's what trump did right and that is in no way our interest and i'm not saying that i only want to the only reason that that's important to bring up at all and is relevant in any way is to highlight the level to which alex jones has given up on any principles he ever pretended to have absolutely because those principles

didn't exist even here right he's complaining about stuff for points he doesn't really care about that right if he did he could never be what he is now right so i i i'm reticent to like constant because i could have brought up trump a whole lot of other times oh no no don't don't worry about it well i'm trying to minimize it yeah because what's the point right right i know it's perfect but the difference the difference between like okay if we still lived in the 2009 world of obama yeah and you were like oh well george busher pointed this guy who has a history about uh and i was like well what about but you know that whole thing that's what about is that's a situation where we're talking about equivalent whiffs of corruption or right now

we're talking about obama's administration starting out with a whiff of corruption and trump's administration farting corruption into your goddamn face or you know or if i heard this that's not what about ism or the the bad version of what we could do would be here alex complain about george mitchell and then be like well trump did this and then oh yeah fuck that and not address george mitchell and pretend he wasn't a lobbyist right yeah yeah absolutely but what we're doing is like saying no that's that's real here's the context for this this uh that's real this is why it's complicated yeah not saying it's the right decision but it's not as easy as you're presenting it out right now also you are totally fine with all this all bed karson is housing development

right right right yeah so here is he really still doing that yeah he's allowed to fly under the radar he's really bad at it flies everything everything i've ever read about what he's done so far garbage turns out it's almost like he is uniquely unqualified for the position turns out the society at large views the housing and urban development is a non-crisis thing so they just don't pay attention to it jesus ma'am anyway it's nice to know that our major crises are crisis crises crises are so bad they are ignoring our minor crises which are far worse which are far worse than anything we've experienced in the past yeah anyway here's who's next king of wall street lobbyist leon panetta to head up the cia was he elected leon panetta has never been a lobbyist

was he the but was he the king of lobbyist he's not the king of wall street lobbyists as alex calls him he's made a killing though in consulting work and giving expensive speeches that are all probably totally above board and ethical but he's technically not a lobbyist he's never been a lobbyist all the articles you can find about panetta describe his actions as quote activity that pretty closely approximates lobbying but it's not lobbying he's not a lobbyist all of the things and maybe maybe he fucking is and he's really good at hiding it i don't know but he's not a lobbyist technically speaking he is not a lobbyist the money that he's made have been through consulting and speeches and that sort of thing doesn't change like this is nonsense yeah including leon

panetta in here is let's judge him by his record he's a piece of shit yes but not in the way that you say yeah yeah he's not the king of wall street lobby how do you become king of wall street lobby they got killed the previous king is that how that works absolutely this is game of thrones you gotta be a king slayer gotcha gotta be the jay me lannister of uh yeah there's a mad lobbyist who's out of control yeah yep yep he's he's set uh the new york federal reserve a blaze in order to protect wildfire yeah yep yep absolutely and uh yeah that's basically it yeah that sounds right oh dude oh what i'm gonna date this this sucks because when this episode comes out it's going to be like a week in the past but did you hear about oh okay uh no i didn't hear about jack

hold i'm not allowed to know anything about this uh fucking universe our friend our dear dear friend jack besovik pizza get weirdo and yeah definitely not see yeah it turns out people dug into some of his past and found uh on the way back machine a page that he thought he had deleted uh it turns out he used to write game of thrones fan fiction oh hell yeah with donald trump as a character oh hell no and what of the uh oh my god finally we get to hear what it would be like for donald to fuck his daughter that's totally fine in game of thrones fanfic well the uh the oh no the one that went around uh was a uh a story about donald trump falling in love with sansa as she was a teen that sounds very gross yeah very gross um but anyway that's a little bit too on the nose

yeah let's see who's next obama tapped tom dashill top lobbyist for health care firms to run the department of health and human services are these action figures on and on the list goes on and on but alex rushed this documentary like i said obama nominated dashill but then it came out the dashill hadn't filed his taxes correctly and he might have misfiled some deduction to his past so on february third 2009 dashill withdrew his name from consideration for secretary of health and human services and was replaced by catherine sableius this is embarrassing for alex like he has every reason to know this based on when he's making the documentary when it came out yet he kept this in why would he keep

this in by the time he released this it was a month past when dashill took his name out of consideration it's already he's acting as if that he made it even to the confirmation process and the footage plays no because he made the foot animation it's awful it's 100 this is really the animation is terrible but he clearly paid through the nose for it and well yeah you gotta look at plays yeah listen he's like print the legend dan god damn it i'm not gonna pay for you to reanimate catherine sableius god damn it what the fuck rob do get over here gotta gotta that would really fuck up his day if he animated catherine sableius starts hitting rob do to take some energy out grr oh that sounds too close to home yeah so anyway tom dashill was never a part of the

obama administration so this is this is real fun yes he was nominated and yeah sure he did have a you know some links to lobby but totally fine he didn't make it in goodbye never would have passed the confirmation process goodbye bye bye then three weeks into his administration obama launched a new lie more outrageous than the previous with academy award level conviction he said that he was upset about the banker bailout which his own chief of staff rama manual another former wall street executive had engineered so i can't find any evidence that rom and anyway wrote the 2008 bailout bill or had any meaningful involvement in its passage outside of like he was a member of the house before but i i i don't know i there's not even any articles on info wars

like i searched through all the info wars like looking for rom articles and stuff like that there's no evidence of this anywhere so i just have to i just have to like i just assume it's bullshit and especially considering earlier in the documentary they said it was larry summers and alan greenspan who did it yeah like i don't i don't understand all of them all three of them together what's going on throw him in there this is one of these is one of these things that's super essential name another guy uh borat he did it my wife's pension no no no no so there's this thing that's really important to understand and it's what alex jones and webster tarpley and all of these assholes do it's the way they

do their propaganda what they do is they make an extravagant unsupported uh uh sensational claim they don't prove it and then you're like no and then like prove me wrong right you can't play that game right that game is a losing game because like no i don't have to prove that now it's your job to prove that rom wrote the fucking 2008 bill or he was deeply involved in it right prove what you because you're the one who made the claim i can't be expected to prove a negative because then all i can do the only way i'm going to ever satisfy this is like i find rom and i'm like give me a detailed account and literally everything you did in 2008 or or alex jones is right dan and that's a no way to ours invented astronomy and you can't convince me otherwise

i would i look prove it all right i guess i can't i don't i don't bend to that kind of pressure like i don't understand like it's i don't i don't care like i you know what i mean like i think a lot of people they would they would hear this like rom did the bailout and then you'd be like i don't i don't know that to be true i don't think that's true now it's be like prove you know prove me wrong yeah show me how he didn't do that yeah show me that he didn't do that i have hr 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 we have all the documents in the congressional record 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 right 0 right 0 1 you do that blustery bullshit and then the person would be like oh i guess he knows what he's talking about i guess i and i don't caught into that bullshit i don't care

like i will i will say this if you prove to me in any way that this is true i'll revise my position but until then i'm not going to spend my fucking life trying to disprove a position that history denies you know like it's not it's not worth it right there's so many of things so many things like that it's so deeply frustrating no you can't prove a negative dan someday i'm gonna have to teach you about religion obama said that he had signed an executive order capping the ceo salaries of those who had taken the bailout money he didn't sign an executive order that was just part of the rules of the bailout bill yeah that was just two problems all the major banks and brokerage firms were exempt and the new order only dealt with any future bailouts and those

were to be on the honor system this isn't fair what gets people upset and rightfully so our executives being rewarded for failure hey i i want to respond to all this but i really don't care because something's about to happen in this documentary that makes me so fucking happy okay i'm just all right i'm gonna leave this aside yeah i'm gonna leave this aside because assume you're lying you fucking piece of shit alex is being deeply unfair about a lot of these these groups that even by the end of 2009 we're already starting to pay back the bailout fund yeah like it's just nonsense right look nothing went perfectly but nothing went as bad as he says right hi g bank of america and city group which have received billions in bailout money don't fall

under this plan only banks negotiating future agreements with the government will be restricted but this appears to be built on an honor system and white house press secretary robert gibbs had a hard time it's yippee i remember you from the plane you fucking idiot and i will get clarification from treasurer on that generally speaking this is already the biggest liar and the biggest disappointment that we've seen in recent history and again two months in qualitatively beyond at best two months at best this could be two days later okay delivering on on promises bottom line i gotta be honest it doesn't matter any of this stuff like what i'm telling you something's about to happen in this documentary that changes the fucking game okay i'm

so excited about all right obama is a fantastic so this is our mid game if you will an even better liar his track record is clear he has done the opposite of everything he told the people he would do for three weeks they'll make up one lie after another and if you believe these people knock yourself out i don't believe a word they say get their asses salinity i love the delivery i love it i love it so that's not what i'm talking about but i love that delivery oh i know you believe these guys get the fuck out of here within one month of the passage of the first banker bailout bill the press reported that over five trillion dollars had just disappeared out of the us treasury that's not true holy shit what that's not true how could you even make that claim that's that's absolutely

that's such an insane amount of money to pretend disappeared that's absolutely not true but uh the specifics of it alex will get into a little bit further down the road so we'll deal with it billions of dollars disappeared in iraq right like yeah i get that short five trillion dollars is enough to bankrupt all of us short version of what he's talking about uh just like to give a little bit of a context i promise we'll get more into it but he's he's conflating the bailout 700 billion dollars with funds that were lent by the federal reserve to other banks got so there's trillions of dollars that are being right by right federal reserve and he's pretending that money just went missing when it didn't no it's not of course not what by december the amount of money that had been

stolen had reached 8.5 billion the leadership of both political parties circled the wagons and would not discuss where the money had yet he he says both political parties yet only shows the democrats and only shows Pelosi rama manual back there a couple other day barney frank yep gone you're not close to ready for what's about to happen there are at least four score people now screaming and there's like 300 people here probably i'm being probably generous yeah you're being way generous but alex is in the middle of it with uh tyranny crusher sir tyranny crusher 7.0 and man get like buckle your fuck dude you have been teasing this for like four minutes of this documentary which is eight hours in real time informed americans protested the private

federal reserve system at all 38 of their regional governorship offices hey it's refreshing to see people standing up against the real power structure not that sounds like something alex wrote in his goddamn diary yeah it was refreshing to see the people oh man i i oh based on this i bet he fucking loved occupy wall street right being distracted by the elite's frontman like george w bush and barack obama we traveled to dallas texas to cover we the people taking on real enemy no no no no wait no i want to talk to the workers up there on the parapet once smoking cigarettes and just jump back you you're with the american people we know that but understand as the workers inside you're not in a federal government building

you're in a private federal reserve that uses that name as a fraud so we've already been over that which is yelling into a bullhorn at a couple people working on the top of a building it's nice who are laughing at him this is a laughing at him this is a different bullhorn by the way that's tyranny crusher 8 like if my first name was federal reserve jones what i'm still not the federal government what i'm not a federal agency but if i said my name was federal reserve i could go out and pay off politicians and get i understand why you are making sense sir and i would like you to continue talking please 100 more i understand why he thought the krs one was making sense if he's like if my name was my name is reserve reserve they give me all their money right

to allow me to get into power so i could issue the currency and credit and then i could buy up a world that's what these criminals have done a lot of people think that the federal reserve is already part of the government they're not it's controlled by cliques of unelected unaccountable bankers meeting in secret most of these people have never even been through the formality of a senate hearing here's me doing the uh gift of a jackoff motion there you go or a senate confirmation they claim that they're part of the u.s. uh government they master i like that you part of the u.s. government but i like that you strongly weighted into the jiff v gif arguments they have very far positions with no recognition that you are stepping in there coming out hot operation jackals hyenas

raptors all of them raptors to the american people but i knew it which is where most of them come from who has chocolate to barack right now president obama as saying you gotta get together you gotta get the economy together when in fact the president has very little to do with the economy it's the federal reserve chairman who is installed and nominated by the president of the united states what the fuck is he talking about this is nonsense they serve a term and then hey guess what after that the president that at least that's a privately owned company no it's not the federal reserve bank they set the agenda these guys are masquerading as a federal institution they are a private banking consortium oh that's brad stevens coach of the celtics the federal reserve

for a private banking cartel that's on record congressional testimony and they're the ones orchestrating the economic collapse we're seeing right now so that's why we're here or cool while at the end the fed rally outside the federal reserve bank in dallas texas we spoke with ron paul's brother wane paul oh no folks i am so sorry that that's where we're cutting it off but look here's the deal we're about to jump off into a section of this documentary that i've been teasing uh pre you know the last couple minutes that you've just been listening to uh quite a bit and uh it it turns into a long discussion of how stupid the paul family is and if i'd left that in this would have just been too long of an episode uh but now you know from the end of this episode

that we're about to learn about wane paul and that you know what there's very few times on this podcast that i'm actually able to do a cliffhanger and so i'm gonna make the most of it and you know what tomorrow uh next episode thursday it's thanksgiving what better way to celebrate thanksgiving uh than to learn about just how off base uh ron paul's brother is uh anyway you got that to look forward to tomorrow uh i hope you enjoyed today uh there's a little bit of wishy washyness in this episode but hey you know that's how history is sometimes uh until next time we do have a website it's knowledgefight.com uh you can follow us on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight you can follow us on facebook uh we also have a group on there called go home and tell your

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wrestler allister black kicks people really hard to the face but has not killed anybody with his black mask kick to the face has not killed anybody but there's one guy that i know of who technically probably killed a dude and that's alex jones andy and chanzos you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you