Knowledge Fight - #250: Remote Poisoners And Crypto Bigotry

Episode Date: January 9, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan go on a Wacky Wednesday adventure and check in on an interview Sweary Kerry did for Project Camelot back in April 2016. In this one, she interviews a guy who claims to have a background in intelligence, but also seems to have multiple ulterior motives motivating him.

Hey everybody, Dan here. Just wanted to give a slight introduction to this episode because some of you out there might be asking yourselves, wait a second, Alex Jones' world is loony tunes right now. It is crazy out of control with Donald Trump threatening or alleging or suggesting he's going to declare a national emergency and Alex being like, hooray about it. And yeah, it is crazy. And unfortunately, this episode does not cover any of that stuff. The issue we had was that because of our schedules, we had to record this on Monday. So before a lot of that stuff got going in earnest and before the cycle of Alex Jones' coverage and Trump's actual speech had a chance to play itself out. So because of our time

restraints and constriction this week, I decided to just go ahead with this wacky Wednesday episode and then on Friday cover all of the happenings there. So I know that everyone is probably very interested in hearing about that. And trust me, Alex is way out of his mind and being a real dickhole. But it'll be worth the wait. We will have that episode for you on Friday. But for now, please enjoy this episode where your Wednesday will get a little wacky. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Chad. We're a couple dudes like to

sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Hi. Dan. Yep. Who's your favorite spice girl? Spice girls. Let's see. Probably Sporty. I don't know. Which one was Sporty Spice? She's the one who wear like athletic gear and do kicks around and stuff like that. I don't know. It seemed like an interesting choice back then. I don't think you know. I think you're just reverse engineering her name. You don't know anything about it. No, Sporty Spice was one of them. There's no doubt about that. No, I know Sporty Spice was one of them. But what are your defining characteristics or just if you asked a child what Sporty was like? I don't know. I just, I didn't, I felt like most people I knew or most dudes that

I knew who had crushes on one of the spice girls, they would go with baby if they're a creep. Sure. I don't remember. Or they would go with Jerry, ginger spice if they were boring, if they were sort of normal dudes. And then I guess the, I guess posh spice people, people were fans of hers and that's scary spice. And she was like married to Andy Murphy. I'm like, I don't know. I'm not interested in this. Oh, that, that's the scarier. That's the scary part. I don't know. It turns out I have a lot of thoughts about spice girls. I hadn't considered having thought about them in a very long time. Me neither. I must, I also asked that question that I was like, I don't know who any of the spice girls are. I don't think I remember ginger.

I'm going to stick to my guns on this. I like sporty spice. You like sporty spice? Yep. This is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones and the spice girls. And I don't know anything about either except for what you have told me. Spice up your life, Jordan. Was that a song of theirs? Yes, it was. Every boy and every girl spice up your life. Oh, really? This is one of their later hits after wannabe. So Jordan, we had a fun wacky Wednesday episode to go through today that I think will be an interesting journey for one and all, all involved in this, this year affair. But before we get to today's show and the meat of it,

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Project Camelot to see how Cary Cassidy is doing over there. For sure. So I felt like, you know, it's, it's due for us to go, go see. Now granted, she doesn't have any good episodes lately. There's course not. It's been a no man's land over there. That would be disastrous. But I decided to look back through the archives and see if there's anything that would be relevant to our interest. And maybe something that would be illuminating about, you know, a lot of the stuff that we cover. And I happened to find an episode that she did in April 2016 with a gentleman by the name of Dr. John Waterman. Dr. John Waterman. I should tell you that's not his real name. Fine. He's using an alias. Is he a real doctor? Well, let's let him. Oh, God, no. Let's go to

his introduction. I don't even know why I asked the question. We can find out if he's a real doctor or not. What I'd like you to do is give some of your background for people that haven't been familiar with the Waterman Files and Waterman Files is his website. And I believe it's another short wave show. Of course. And John does a show weekly, maybe even daily. I don't know how often you're doing it nowadays. John, you can fill me in. I do want to say that he is, he was trained as an intelligence agent and decided not to pursue that line of work. That happens a lot. But as a consequence, he's highly aware of what the intel agencies are doing. And he was also head of one of the militia groups for a while. And he can tell you more about that. So John,

go ahead. Spoiler alert. He doesn't tell us more about being the head of one of these militia groups. That's the only thing I want to know about. I'm very curious about it myself. Yes, absolutely. But it is interesting because John Waterman's not his real name. So it's not like I'm going to be able to find who he, you know, I can't figure out who he is. And it's a fairly common name. There's a number of, you know, if you Google John Waterman, you're never going to be able to nail down exactly who this guy is. Yeah, there was the film director. Sure, man. John Waters, man. Yeah. My name's, of course, synonymous with doctor and yes, I am not a PhD. I'm an, I'm an ND. Not an M. I am a doctor of biological medicine. It's basically an alternative drugless therapies

that I provide. He's a natural path. There you go. You're not a doctor. So it is sort of like interesting that Dr. John Waterman is his name. He's going by and he's neither a doctor nor a John Waterman, which is a bad start to this interview. I could call him not a Dr. John Waterman. That'd be fine. Yeah. That's a very literal meaning of his name. Not a doctor, not a John Waterman. Exactly. That's his new name. But he is on camera. So he can't be too interested in protecting his anonymity because any number of people who may know him would see him. Yeah. So whatever it is, it's all just kind of, you know, a little bit conny. It's a little showmanship. So at this point, he gets into his, how he became trained as an intelligence agent.

And that's my second career. And as I began this second career, a fellow that then became a very, very good friend of mine, Frank Shin, who's now gone, was who recruited me. He came to me when I was doing clinical work and said, I'd like to have you check me out. So I did and he came back and he said, I need some more help. And so about the third trip into me, he said, while I was doing clinicals, he says, I'd like to take you out for dinner. So long story short, this Frank Shin is like recruiting him. He goes and he takes him out to dinner and he's like, I want to make you an agent or whatever. And then, you know, he gets trained and all this, he's involved in a bunch of stuff, but he's like, no, medicine is my true love. You're a naturopath,

first of all. Second of all, big red flags with this story right off the bat. Of course, the person who could confirm all of this is gone. I may have written that down as a big red flag. I actually may have made a giant flag out of your red blanket. Might be something that is super consistent in these worlds that make me very suspicious when I hear that is part of someone's backstory. Anybody who can confirm all of this nonsense that I say. He's gone now. Sure. Why aren't you giving me condolences? Why are you asking me for more information, Dan? You should be saying that you're sorry for my loss too. Well, condolences. So he's not trying to frame this as like, I got taught the ways of the agent,

but then I walked away from it. In this next clip, he's going to explain. He was in the shit. Wait, what? No, but he said he walked away from it. He does say that later, but I don't understand at what point he walked away because he's going to say that he was involved in like the investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing. Wait, what? And he says that the movie spy game is about him and this guy, Frank. That sounds right. Frank is Robert Redford and he is Brad Pitt. Oh, how does he look? I'm not making, he doesn't look like Brad Pitt. I'm not making any of this up. It's all in this next clip. And I was in several places across this globe involved in things and he had me domestically on things like helping to run down Joe number, John Doe number two,

the Oklahoma City bombing. Did he? And I ended up in rebellions like the Chiapas rebellion in Mexico, the revolution in Mexico. This is high level stuff, man. If he was involved in the investigation, like running down the John Doe number two after Oklahoma City, that's high level clearance stuff and being involved in a foreign revolution. It's like, all right. Awesome. Awesome. Can we just one more red flag? If his origin story is this Intella operative from, and I assume he names the agency later on. I don't think so. Uh-oh. Isn't that another convenient aspect here? It's CIA. It's probably CIA, whatever. So they are going to a naturopath who was working in a clinical setting at the time.

Working towards his not a doctorate. Right. And they went a few times. So like the first time they were like, he was going there to check him out and just be like, Hey, I don't know if this naturopath is good enough for the Psyops industry. Go back again. Go back one more time. Then he invites him out to dinner. Now this to me suggests he thinks that we're talking men in black because isn't that how, isn't that how Will Smith was? That's not how they really recruit. Well, they don't take you out to dinner first. And then they're like, Hey, join the CIA. See, much like everybody else in these worlds, uh, like the, uh, whether it's info wars or project Camelot, they get most of their ideas about how things work off of movies. Right. But unlike those people,

big red flag, but unlike those people, not only does he take his inspiration for movies, he himself is an inspiration for a movie during the revolution and life, and many other spots in the world. And, um, so I think maybe when he called me and told me, they made a movie about it, I thought he was joking, but he says, I, he says, but I did pretty good. I'm Robert Redford. I said, well, you lucky duck. And I began to realize at that point, he's not, he's not fooling. He's, this is not a joke. And I said, Frank, how did they know, you know, when I started getting all upset and he says, Hey, they never would answer. He just said, Hey, you did very good. Cause you're, um, you're Robert. You're not Robert

Redford. You're Brad Pitt. I go, Oh, I said, you're serious. And he just hung up. You know, he just, that's why he's a goof. Why wouldn't he just continue the conversation? You're still friends, right? No, it was time to go. Oh, okay. Time to go. Frank Frank had had enough. It was conversation over. You were Brad Pitt. Bang slamming down a 80s dial up phone. I imagine if that conversation happened, which it didn't, but if it did, what it was, was, uh, John over here, John, uh, Waterman getting pissed off that he didn't get to be Robert Redford. And then the guy on the other end of the phone is like, you did pretty good. You're Brad Pitt, but it's in the middle of a fight and he's sick of the shit. He just hangs up. Fuck you. You son

of a bitch. So I have, I have a lot of concerns about his credentials. I have a lot of concerns about his backstory, but he's not here just to talk about his backstory. Oh, he's here to tell us the future. Well, kind of yes. And the present, and that is in 2016, the earth was going through some changes. There were some vibrational changes that were happening that were going to alter our DNA. Oh, didn't expect this. Did he, did he learn about that in naturopath school? Robert Redford taught him about it and not a doctor at school. Possibly. And we receive these messages and or changes in interpretations and we interpret them. The DNA interprets them. And then we can get into that in a minute because there's some new discoveries. And, uh,

one of the things that, uh, okay, but I also want, I want to say that, uh, you know, there, the evidence was even Paul Aviolette talked about it. Uh, he talked about, you know, what is in essence a super wave that was possibly headed our direction. But aside from that, that we're going through an area of space where this is going to happen. And, uh, and so the DNA is supposed to be changing. This isn't a bad thing. This is kind of like a reclamation of the 2012 Mayan apocalypse prophecies when it didn't come to pass. A lot of that energy got funneled into vibrational changes happening in, uh, another couple of years down the road. It's that, it's that sort of, I, I just say my favorite, favorite, favorite parts of every, and I've missed it so

much. My favorite part of every project Camelot episode is the guest or Kerry just saying, uh-huh, or right to the single most outlandish, ridiculous possible thing that could possibly be said. And they're just like, yeah, of course, move on. That's, that's taken as red. It's kind of like a good improv, uh, game or whatever. They're just like, uh, I say something crazy. Oh, yeah. No, for sure. Always affirm. Of course. Of course. Yeah. No, of course, we're going through an area of space where space where they change our DNA. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, keep going. This is actually a good thing. And, um, and, you know, I, I don't know how, what you're looking at or what evidence you're looking at, but I can tell you that it is raising the vibration of the planet and, and the, and the

humans. Uh, now there are some people who won't be able to handle the vibration changes and they'll go the opposite direction from what I, it'll be, it'll be, it would be bad. We have to be compatible with the, uh, Meg, well, we could say the frequency that the planet emits. It's kind of like either you're compatible and in tune with it or you're dis dissonant with it. You will become, uh, you will actually begin to buffer it rather than flow with it. It's kind of like those movies like we see with, uh, Dune, you know, let it flow through you. Fear is not a problem. Just let it flow. Nope. And if you get in tune with it, uh, you're going to, in other words, resonate with it. You're going to be much better off than trying to fight it.

This goes on to explain like, Hey, it's like a current in a river. You know, just more examples of, uh, don't fight it. Could have just brought up a Kenny Loggins and Steve Perry song. Don't fight it. Could have. Uh, but yeah. Surprise. That's not a, uh, Ted Nugent song. Uh, boy. Uh, so do you want to do myself feel bad? Do you want to talk about Dune? I don't need to. I don't need to everyone. Everyone knows, everyone knows that's not the fucking quote, Dan. And how dare you butcher those. That's one of the best that Frank Herbert did not write a lot of good lines. He was a long writer wrote a lot of lines. He wrote a lot of lines, not a lot of good individual lines, but the litany against fear from the Bene Gesserit

is one of the best lines in the entire book. And how dare you butcher it? I think that's the least of his sins. Uh, but, uh, was there other things that he said? I mean, I think there's some silliness with science. Stop listing when he said, you know, it's, it's some people are compatible with the earth frequency. It's an interesting thought. I wonder if there's any differences between those sorts of people who are compatible and going to art. I don't know. I don't know what he thinks. Come on. There's definitely no reason to for me to have said Jews immediately after he said that. I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. And I refuse to even address this.

Quite frankly, it's an offensive idea that this guy has some animosity towards Jewish people. No, but this isn't really what this interview is about. Even this idea of vibrational changes and all that stuff is kind of secondary to what Carrie wants to talk about, which is I believe her big issue on this episode is earthquakes. She wants to talk about earthquakes that are coming because she had recently, uh, come into the possession of a map that showed where a lot of recent earthquakes were and she has just like, just like a map. She has some suspicions about the placement of these, uh, was it a map of the Pacific rim? The ring of fire. It's involved, but she has some suspicions about it and that leads her to explain, uh, that she is a precog,

which we already knew. Of course. There's a very weird, I'm going to find a map to show everyone. It's on Iris that shows you the entire, uh, what you call the, the ring of fire. And, uh, you can see that the United States is actually on the West coast right now, kind of empty of earthquakes, very strangely, while other side has got a lot of activity. And again, I think this is caused by, um, manipulation. So whether they're trying to build the energy and then cause a huge earthquake. And let me just say that Sean David Morton reported on my show that, that he knows someone who he's an older Israeli man who apparently correctly predicted, um, some things in the past. Remember that Sean David Morton is the con man

who got arrested when he left that conspiracy cruise and also defrauded Kerry of tens of thousands of dollars. Such a, such a great, such a hero of our times. What a weirdo. Why does she still listen to? Because, come on, man. Did you hear that he got arrested coming off of a cruise ship? That's a fucking baller move. Including the 2008 crash. Um, and he is saying that in November of this year, there's going to be a major event that's larger than 9 11 quote unquote. Recently, Sean sent me a text saying it's going to be an LA quake. Uh, now, whether that's true or not, I, I don't know. I have seen, um, I'm a pre-cog and, uh, well, we knew that then to cogs have this, where we've seen a major quake in LA. Um, there are going to be major volcanic eruptions as well.

Now, how much of this is natural and how much is human, you know, humanly engineered? Because we have a secret government and, and, you know, the Illuminati, as we call them, uh, who, who have a, uh, a program, an agenda they're working for. And if they, if it doesn't happen naturally, they will stimulate it to happen. Uh, so, so this is really important. She's talking about CERN, basically, that in terms of being able to control all this stuff that, uh, she, she's afraid that the Illuminati, the secret government, or the globalists are doing. I mean, one of the things is like, it's, it's all good and well, like to, to, like, have, like talk about the alien stuff and all that, but you also do need to recognize that

behind that she has the exact same conception with slightly different character names and more creativity as Alex does. Yeah. In terms of the cabal that's, uh, ruling the world. Right. Right. What have you. So, you know, you see these indications here and more, what I want to say is if she is precognitive, if she is, uh, psychic, she shouldn't keep having weirdos on her show that are so like, she should have seen Sean David Morton ripping her off coming. She should have seen that Eddie Page is a racist Palladian. She should have seen all those things coming in advance. No gift is perfect, Dan. This one seems very imperfect. No, the best baseball players on the planet still get a hit only 365% of the time. What? No. Look, I'm just

saying, I'm, I'm saying that if we, we have to believe one of two things, either she's not precognitive or she is and enjoys being around these sorts of people, which would be fun, which is, oh man, if she was a psychic fucking with us specifically, like eventually she knew that a show like ours would come about and so she could fuck with us by having all these weirdos on and still make a little bit of change on the side for her. That's great. That's not what I was thinking of. I was thinking of more that she's a psychic and she can tell that Eddie Page is a racist Palladian and then, uh, invites him on because that's the message she wants to put out into the world. She's playing the long game. She's playing us. She's either a psychic or she's racist. That's

what I'm saying. It's the two of us. She has been seeing us coming for forever. She knew it was going to happen. It's possible. That happened. So, uh, a lot of precogs have predicted a large earthquake in LA. Oh yeah. I wonder why a lot of scientists have too. It's strange that a lot of people wait for a place that's notorious for having lots of earthquakes. The idea of predicting a large one does not seem too far outside of the realm of possibility. No. A lot of precogs have predicted one in central Missouri too. Like the new Madrid fault. Yeah. A lot of precogs have seen something there too. A lot of precogs. I don't know, man. This is whack. Uh, but it's not nearly as bad as what's about to happen because Waterman wants to get into like something that happened

to him recently. He's got, he's undergone some of these earth changes, these vibrational changes that are happening. And he has a story that he wants to tell Kerry about it. And this is nuts. The changes that are occurring on this planet, I began to seriously make note of it last, starting last November when I ended up in emergency room three times. Odd. And what ended up happening is that, uh, I was literally in a very serious state. I was bleeding without being cut. I was, you know, I was going, holy cow. It's called internal past. I had a severe abdominal pain and I passed out. I was bleeding from my bowels and I was in emergency room. I went back into another week. I went back in another week

and they're doing all these panels. They can't find anything they did. They did cat scans. They did x-rays. They did blood tests. Uh, they did cultures to see if I was poisoned. They couldn't find a thing. There was not a thing they could find until I had a serendipitous event where a fellow out of Texas sent me an email that said something about a coronal mass ejection. So I go, Oh, interesting. That is interesting. So you just had to shit really hard. No, no, no, no. That's, that's a coronal mass ejection. Oh, okay. I was talking about solar flares, talking about sunspots. I thought he meant a colonel. No, it's very close by the letter. But no, so he's, uh, he's had this, uh, serious health issue, whatever that I think that anybody

who actually, um, has studied medicine could probably come up with a better diagnosis than I can. So I'm not even going to hazard a guest, right? Whatever it is. He's a man of a certain age. You know, he's not a young, you know, the spring chicken. Um, unlike many people we talk about, we are not doctors and we do not say that we are doctors. Try not to pretend that. Yeah. Yeah. So he's going, he had something happening and then he gets an email about a guy who's bringing up solar flares. Uh, and he's like, huh, better talk to my doctor. Interesting. Well, he doesn't talk to his doctor. That's odd. He talks to somebody else. Of course. And then somebody called me and said, I think I know what it is. Now this is a remote healer.

I think what's going on with you has to do with this maybe. And I said, hmm, so I checked these new coronal mass ejections that had come out and I started plotting them with my emergency room, Vic science visits. And for some reason out of the blue, I became very sensitive to them. I mean, extremely sensitive. Now it could be because of something was done to me to make me sensitive or there was literally something happening. But I have now got a calendar where I can track it because I am very careful and aware of what might be coming. And I can tell you I'm extremely sensitive to a lot of things. I can walk out on the day where there's a lot of UV higher levels of it. And I can't be out in it. I can't feel it.

So all of a sudden in November, I have become very sideways of a lot of this. And this is not good stuff. This isn't like higher vibration stuff. This is a tax of some sort. So everybody has been helping. I had one remote viewer, not viewer, but remote healer contact me and asked me permission to work on me. And I said, you're happy. Great. And the very first thing they said, they call me back and said, I can't get anywhere because you've been attacked. They're blocking everything. And that's when we start having to really investigate this potential about warfare at a level we haven't thought about. If he's making this up, how do you explain the remote healer telling him that he's being attacked? You can't. It's impossible. It's impossible to explain how that might be a scam

also. I'm not, I'm not gonna, all I'm saying, and I look, if you want to believe what you want to believe, stop believing in remote healers because if a remote healer existed, even one, even one who was like, okay at it, they'd be a tribillionaire. Also, like there would be a whole new class of money to invent just for this healer. Or you'd have to like, you would have to then assume that they wish ill on mankind. Yeah, because there's so many people who aren't getting healed. Well, if you have that gift, you better never stop working because you are the only one. You know, it's crazy. What's that? The insurance industry does cover remote healing. That is weird. They do not cover any pre-existing conditions. It's crazy, but they do recover

remote healers. I just think like, yeah, when your condition is I'm sensitive to solar flares, that's exactly when you need a remote healer because it's a zero. Yeah. Yeah, go for it. But also at the end of that, I love that little turn that he makes where the remote healer tells somebody he's being attacked, the remote healing isn't working. And that leads him to investigate this. Because how do you investigate this? What do you do? Well, he was been attacked. He emailed the remote healer back and he was like, Hey, who attacked me? The remote healer was like, I will tell you that for another 50 bucks. Literally outside of that. What is the investigation? What do you do? You just start looking around to see if anybody is attacked to you.

Now I'm afraid of the sun. Now I'm there. Now I'm ready for the attack. I guess the only thing is like staying indoors during a solar flare, I guess. Did you read a book? Maybe. Maybe at Google. So anyway, you know, we assume that it's some sort of a solar flare thing that's the culprit of his- Yes, we do assume that. But you know what, John Waterman has some other ideas. I think I was being attacked. I think I did somehow get poisoned. In fact, they did find some poison. I'd like to take you back to 10 minutes ago when he said they did a bunch of screens to see if I was poisoned and found nothing. Seems very contradictory. Maybe this remote healer found some poison. They found some poison. They found

some poison. Sure. What isn't poison at the end of the day? Hey, moderation and all things. Right. So I don't know how. I have no clue. Everybody, it could be remotely done. So it was a very, it's been a very interesting experience since mid-November, actually late November. Well, thank you, John. I'm very happy that you made it through and you survived. I had my own attack back in a year ago. We were called home. And so I definitely know where you're coming from. I had a number of psychics look at the information of what happened to me and it as I say, it was a scalar attack. No, it's probably possible. It goes in essence, interdimensional. Interdimensional scalar attack. It's very interesting what people that are out

in the public eye, how they can go under attack by various groups. And of course, the Illuminati are going to concentrate on those of us who can influence others because of what we're saying and what we're putting out there information-wise. They're too powerful. And so the Illuminati is going to focus their energy on people like a carry, people like a John Waterman. Gotta get John Waterman. If I'm the Illuminati, I'm thinking get not a Dr. John Waterman out of here. Yeah. So they're the ones who are the targets of these interstellar, intergalactic, interdimensional scalar attacks or they, I don't know, ate something bad. I don't know. I will tell you. The extent to which he is describing the powerful is mind boggling.

In his world, there are both remote healers and remote poisoners. Yep. So there's a constant remote poison healing battle going on and he's taking it so well. He's just like, well, you know, I go outside and they can poison you anywhere. But hey, what are you going to do? What are you going to live in fear? Gotta keep living. He's just fine with that. That's the most terrifying possible thing. Well, but see, that's the thing is you're not a real man because a real man keeps behind the curtain and he sees that Lovecraftian eldritch horror and he doesn't lose his mind. He keeps on fighting. He says the litany against fear says, well, sure. Yeah, you keep going in the face of this terrible otherworldly awful reality that has become you've

now become aware of for sure. People who don't have the good, strong stuff. Those are the people who see that and they turn tail and start working with the Illuminati or they just become shut-ins and I don't know. I mean, all I'm saying, it seems like a very rational decision. If you have on one side, the people who look behind the curtain and are like, I'm going to keep fighting and then on the other side, you're, you look behind the curtain and you see the Illuminati has remote healers and remote poisoners. I'm going to work with the Illuminati. Why not? I see no evidence that the Illuminati has remote healers. We only know of them as being good guys. Oh, I did not know that. In this, in this world so far, we've only heard of them as being on the side

of the weirdos. Well, you gotta get a remote healer Illuminati. What are you guys fucking doing? You're losing. I think it's implied they do have one, but they seem to only be poisoning people through interdimensional, uh, uh, scalar attacks. So scalars. Yeah. So we got the earthquakes that obviously the Illuminati are going to precipitate. We've got these earth changes and vibration and stuff like that are causing John Waterman to shit blood. Watch out. Yeah. So we got all this, but about halfway through the episode, Carrie finally gets to like what the bread and butter is, what she wants to spend most of her time talking about because John fancies himself an expert in a couple of topics. Oh no. I have one question that has to do with, um, what you were talking

about with regard to FEMA and where they're deploying. And then I'd like, um, I know we're going for a long time, but I'd like you to also address the financial meltdown because that was part of our sort of subject list. His two topics are two of the main things that Alex Jones covers on his show. The idea that FEMA is somehow up to some shit, uh, and the coming financial meltdown. I am a former Intel agent who has been in or in orchestrating coups. I was Brad Pitt fighting fucking the, the John Doe number two, but guess what I'm an expert on financial crises. That's correct. I too was a, uh, was trained by, uh, Edward Shin to be a stocks and bonds trader. Frank. Frank Shin. Yes. No, this was his brother who was also in finances.

Who was also passed. Yes. I'd love to have him confirm that for you. He's been dead. Um, so yeah. And FEMA, like those two things are like so central to Alex's stuff. So, you know, we have this guy coming in as a supposed expert of some variety. Right. Um, and here's what he has to say about FEMA. Here we go. That's the thing. I actually think that FEMA is more about populations that will be on the move. Exactly. You're, you're right. Very much so. So they are, I think they're kind of, let's say you've got a, a, a bottle and everybody's down in the bottle and everybody has to go through the bottleneck to get out, right? They're putting FEMA right there at the bottom.

They're going to kind of like, Oh, you need help. We're right here. It's like they're getting ready like a catcher to catch the ball. Come on. Throw me the ball. Yeah. I mean, they are a emergency management agency. So you want to manage an emergency. But I don't think that that's actually accurate. But this is the conception of the camps. Like they're just phrasing it differently. You know, the idea of, you know, when a crisis happens, FEMA is there to cut off the flow of people, which is, you know, just because they're not clearly specifying the camp aspect of it, they do believe that. Oh yeah, of course. That is, that is the exact same idea. This, this, this evil FEMA organization is only operating

because of these crises that the Illuminati is going to perpetuate. Right. They're going to do that. Then the solution is going to be what they already have in mind, which is cutting off bottlenecking camps. So I mean, it's interesting. Got all this Alex shit here, man. Isn't that wild? No, wild. No, no, no, it makes perfect sense. Yeah, I know. And I think this is a little bit underwhelming, but I promise you there will be like, as we get through this, there will be, you'll see crystal clearly why this is important. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Why is not a Dr. John Waterman an expert on FEMA camps? Because he is a former intelligence agent and has read a blog or two, maybe. I don't know. I

don't think he, he doesn't specify any like real credentials. He talks about like sources he has and stuff like that. We're all anonymous vague. Always sources. Yeah. I have a lot of chatter coming in. If the chatter is coming in, I gotta listen to that. Yeah. So we got that. We got the FEMA camp stuff. And then the other subject they wanted to talk about was this financial crash. This meltdown of the economy that's coming. It's coming. And you know what? Hey, hey, what? You can say that Carrie is just coming out of this. I don't know where you could even say John is coming out of this. I don't know where, but no, you should know that 10 years ago, Carrie knew the financial collapse was coming right about when this episode happened. Henry

Deacon over 10, around 10 years ago, told Camelot that we were going to, it wasn't going to be one set of, of circumstances that was going to happen in the future. And they, and he even, they even told us 2016 and 2017. These are the years guys that we were told about 10 years ago. They said, he said that it was going to be a series of things that would all happen at the same time. So it's not just that we have a major earthquake. And that's where I want to get into the financial talk now, because you know, you do have some knowledge in that area. And there's no doubt that we're having, we're being hit financially. And there is a plan, a plan, complete change in the system that is supposed to have a deadline of the end of 2016. Camelot, we're told this

by not just one witness, but many witnesses. So what do you have to say about that part? Well, we have, what is, did I say something? I got an echo here. I don't know why. Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to mute myself. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean for you to have to do that. Where we can begin talking about this is that the dollar has been recognized, the US dollar, has been recognized as a major economic weapon, economic weapon of war. So it should surprise you not at all to know that on his blog, The Waterman Files, on December 14, 2018, he posted this quote, the Federal Reserve Act passed by three senators in a unanimous vote on the 23rd of December, 1913, while everyone else was home for the holidays.

So cool, cool, cool, cool. Okay, that's awesome. All right. Isn't that fun? This is another one of those. This is another one of the guys. Look, the way our system is currently instituted, there will be another financial crash. That's literally how it works now. They changed the rules and they will not change them back to ensure that every now and then there will be a massive financial crash. This is predicting an earthquake in LA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not that they got rid of those rules in order to cause a collapse. No, it's a byproduct of it that people who are benefiting from those changes of rules are insulated from by virtue of them being super duper rich. Right. They don't feel the consequences of it nearly as much as the people who are hurt

by it. And so that's why they have no impetus to change those rules back to when there were protections in place. What are you going to protect the workers? Yeah, please. Come on. Nonsense. What for? So we've got this idea that he's putting forth that is that you have the dollar is a weapon of some sort. Yes. Clearly he believes that it was set up in 1913 by these course. These these globalist Illuminati bankers, fucking senators, senators, not everybody else's sweet bullshit, not paying attention. Right. And they just snuck through the Federal Reserve. And so that's going to precipitate a financial meltdown carries being super irresponsible by going with these dates and pretending she's known for 10 years that there's a deadline of the end

of 2016. It was the dead because it's too very it's too easy to look back on and be like, well, you were very wrong about that. So you were wrong for 10 years about that. It's not even just a bad prediction. It's all those sources you had were very wrong. So there's that piece of it. But in his conception, it is this idea that because of the fiat currency, the dollar, right, that is what's going to cause the financial meltdown. So it shouldn't surprise you at all that he's also into hard currency. The thing that we've got going then is anything that is a threat to the dollar then is an enemy of the powers that be. That's it. Bottom line. Gold and silver. It's an enemy. So they controlled it by having these

trading London trading desk where the Rothschilds and Illuminati of the world made sure that the value of gold stayed down. So the Rothschilds and the Illuminati were suppressing the price of gold. Alex Jones, when he's trying to sell Ted Anderson's gold, constantly talks about how the globalists are suppressing the price of gold. So buy it now before it skyrockets. Well, that stuff and when the economy falls apart, that price of gold is going to skyrocket. This is exactly the same shit. You're going to be you're going to be the big short all over again. This is exactly the same shit. Hi, I'm not a Dr. John Waterman suggesting that you buy not a gold bar. Please feel free to buy as many not a gold bars as you would like to buy from not a Dr. John Waterman.

It is a message approved by not anybody else. I think he has a decent radio voice, but outside of that, I got like almost everything he seems unqualified to speak on and he's not making a lot of sense. No, but he is sounding a lot like the same paranoid conspiratorial, you know, Patriot type community people, which makes sense when we heard earlier that he used to head a militia. I really want to know more about that militia thing. I really wish I had anything to tell you about it. Great. I wish you would have said the name of the militia somewhere to go, but who knows. It was called the United States Army is what it was called Dan, the greatest militia in the world. So John isn't on here just to tell you that gold is really cool. He has some other more specific

piece of advice to give you now. And so they opened up an exchange. They cannot call them banks because that's a term for Federal Reserve money. What about blood banks? What about sperm banks? Can't call that because it's not Federal Reserve money. No, those are those are actually. Yeah, whatever. They're into the fuck out of here. They're injured. So the you can insure up to $250,000 worth of sperm. I know that's true. When he says they there, he's talking about the people in Utah. Utah is one of the only, I think it's the only state in 2011. They made it so you can use gold and silver in order to pay for like debts and stuff like that. Even your taxes and stuff like that. So that got changed. And so there's like exchanges that have opened in Utah

around this gold and silver market that is much different than it is in other states. So that's what he's talking about here are central fiat money. So they opened up this group. The first one that's open that I like is UPMA. That's the abbreviation UPMA.org. If you go there, you'll see some videos of the secretary of I'm not secretary, the attorney general of the state talking. You'll see a CEO that's running for governor. By the way, he runs over stock, over stock.com. So I have almost no doubt in my mind that he's getting money from UPMA. Yeah, $100 million. The United Precious Metals Association. Of course. My reason for that are one, he later says he's not getting paid. That means he's, I suspect he's getting paid. I'm

not trying to brag here, but I'm not getting paid by UMA.org. Second, he has ads for them on his website, which makes me think that maybe he has a financial interest in there. Nah. And then third, you hear the way he's presenting. This is like the one that I really like is this. And then talks about like you go to the website, you see the attorney general there and he's talking about how great UPMA is. The CEO from over stock, you know. Yeah. That thing. It's all real credible stuff and you should go there. You should. You should go check it out. So we've now turned the corner here. I think into this point of the show where he's trying to spread fear about, you know, fiat currency and a coming meltdown and stuff like that. But to anyone paying close

attention, you got, you gotta be like, hold on now. Are you only doing that because you have a financial interest in UPMA? Because it seems like you might. He's running, he's running the two man game that Alex and Ted used to do by himself. Yeah. Kerry is not really aware of that. I think she's blindsided by this. Probably. This is exactly like that time Peter Schiff was on the Joe Rogan podcast. He went on and was talking about how great gold is and how the market's unsecure and stuff like this. And Rogan's just like, whoa, like through most of it. Yeah. And then at the end, Peter Schiff says, also, I want to plug my gold selling business or whatever it's that sort of reveal toward the end. Oh man. Also the way he said UPMA. I'm going to say that

again. UPMA.org. Sure. Visit their website. That is a man who's given a sales pitch in the path. That's a man who's a naturopath, Dr. Dan. Yeah, it does. It feels that way. And so in this next clip, we get to see like, I think that this is almost exactly like how Alex does ad pivots. Maybe not as bracing, like maybe it doesn't take a turn as quickly. But what you see here is an insanely irresponsible level of fear mongering that precipitates and leads directly into him bringing back up UPMA and how you should buy gold from them. Coming up through June and July, you're going to see some very bizarre stuff, I believe, in our financial banking sector. I think you're going to see some of the big banks collapse. I think you're going to then see at the end of July,

the beginning of hyperinflation. Now, I've got some numbers on how bad that hyperinflation is going to be. And so this late summer, early fall, we're going to begin this hyperinflation. It's going to get so bad. I've got numbers telling me that you'll go to the grocery store on Monday and buy groceries. And when you go back Tuesday, one day's period of time, your groceries are going to be 9% more. Can I pay for my groceries? It'll be another 9%. That's a lot. I mean, in a week's time, we're talking about 75% increase in your food. Check those numbers. That means that in a couple months, people will have to choose. Do I pay my house payment, or my car payment, or do I eat? And this is where we're going, and it's going to be starting late summer. Now, in the meantime,

if you go to upma.org, you can kind of set you up, and I hate to say it, a bank account. But this is not a bank, okay? So let's say you put $1,000 in there. They are going to take your thousand and they will buy gold or silver, whichever you want, or a combination. You tell them what percentage you want all that to be. So it's basically a place where they buy the gold, they hold it, and you have like a debit card where you can use the amount of the gold that you have or whatever. It's basically like that. You don't even get your own gold. So it's not even a bank. It's a bank from the fucking gold rush. You put a nugget in there, and they're like, this is worth $40, and you have $40 of credit to spend. There are a lot of operations like that in terms in the gold and silver,

precious metals business. The idea of like, they have vaults and stuff like that. They'll hold it for you, but it is yours. Like there is a lot of stuff like that. And I think, from what I understand, a lot of it is kind of, be careful. No, I'm sure it's all in the up and up. I think it's a little bit. No, come on. So, you know, just ask to see your gold. The way that clip ended, I can't hear any other way than a sales pitch. Because he's like, let me tell you how it works. I don't want to call it a bank account, but if you put $1,000 here, what do I need to do to get you to sign up for an account here? All right. So, okay. So here, I'm not going to call this a bank, but say you have $1,000 in the United States dollars, that's bullshit. Totally.

But what if you have $1,000 in gold? That sounds good. That has no country. All right. Now you put that into a place where somebody else gets to hold on to it, and then they give you a representation of that money that you can use in the form of a card. See, but it's plastic, not paper, so it's not fiat. Exactly. Yeah. They don't use your full name on this card. They use your fake name, not a Dr. John Waterman. Perhaps. I just see like this is a scam, but it's a scam being run on Kerry, which is kind of interesting. Like he's abusing her platform. That's true. She wanted to talk about earthquakes and how DNA is changing and all that shit, and maybe some stuff about financial trouble that she's known about for 10 years that doesn't come to pass, which she insists is going

to. But it's clear that even she can tell like in the moment a little bit that this is like, Oh, did she get it? She doesn't get mad at him or anything like that. Like she does when someone insults Mark Richards. Yeah. But you can get a sense that she's like at least suspicious of his actions. Like it's, there's a little bit there because I'm listening to it and I'm thinking he's not doing a terrible job. Like if I were casually listening, I wouldn't even have noticed the very obvious ad pivot from. Oh, I would have. I would have, but I'm hyper vigilant about these things. But yeah, it is as smooth as it can be. Yeah. If you're a guest on somebody else's show. Yeah. Yeah. And if you are already in that world and you have no reason to suspect people are

running cons on you all the time, right? Then you just be passively listening to like, UPMA sounds good. I predicted a financial crash was occurring. I don't have a financial interest in UPMA. So that's why I'm not bringing them up. I don't know why you would bring them up probably because you have a financial interest in UPMA. But I know the financial crash is coming and maybe you're right because so far you have been right about, seems like everything has even right about it. And he's right about this next prediction that he makes. I got to be honest. I don't like to give it up to these people. Oh, really? No. And they plan on letting this country have a revolution. In fact, I have a lot of information

saying that we're probably heading into summer of rage, the second American revolution right after the Republican convention. So kind of put that on your, now that, like you said, like you said though, anything could be planned. So that, that is the way he introduces like the idea of the second American revolution is coming around the Republican convention and then anything could be planned. And what that is to say is that's the beginning of him being like, Hey, anything could happen. But this is just what I've heard a whole lot about. I have a lot of secret people telling me all these secret things that the revolution is coming. Great. Yep. Didn't happen. Did not happen. Oh, you know, anything. Hey, look, look in a world where

there's remote poisoners and remote healers, fucking anything could happen. I have my group of remote occasional financial times readers telling me that the second American revolution is happening. It's true. It's true. And you know what? The convention wasn't in the fall. It was in the summer. Oh, it was. Yeah. So the summer of rage might still be in play. When did the, the Republican one is in August? I think so. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Still, still in the summer. It's still in the summer. That's true. And that's important for this next clip. What's that? We have a lot yet to talk about, Gary, that I've got information, more information about the economy.

And I've got some very interesting, more research about certain groups and red flag and what they're planning to do with this kind of stuff like DNA. It's been very enlightening even to me. But I, but I think this is, this is a, if you were going to say this is going to be a very hot summer, politically hot, emotionally hot, financially troubling hot, geopolitically hot, every, in every aspect that like you were saying, it's not one thing. It's multiple things. Summer of rage. It's the summer of rage, baby. So interesting. Like it's the exact same idea, but also that does fall under the heading of dumb predictions because it's 2016. There's a contested, seemingly very contentious presidential election happening. No, but like him saying that it's going

to be a politically hot summer. It's going to be an emotional hot summer. Like all that stuff is like, no shit, man. Do you mean in the year of a presidential election? How could it not be? No, there's one where a notorious asshole is running for president or like name one other summer of presidential election where there was a summer of rage going on. I mean, a lot of them, probably. What about, what about 2012? Sure. Okay. How about 2008? Yep. What about 2004? But it's not a summer of rage the way all of these people say it. You know what I'm saying? No, of course not. They mean it very specifically because he even said there's a fucking American revolution that's going to kick off. I know. And if there was, it's not just about like, yes,

it's going to be an acrimonious time between people. We're not going to have a great time. Tempers are going to rise. Like that sort of thing. Like, yes, that is going to be accessible. That prediction is a zero. But you know, you could make it and just be saying nothing. Yeah. When you say a summer of rage in this sense, you're, you mean it in a particular context. Of course. You're only doing that in service of trying to sell this gold. Some groups. See, now that's where we need to probably start having a conversation. Groups. Yeah. Some of them are planning things. Some groups, not. And I, the way I said that kind of suggests that I am not talking about the good guys, Dan. No, no, it seems like the bad guys.

And I am guessing that the bad guys all share one very specific thing in common. So that was a red flag to me and where I was like, whoa, this waterman might not be cool. Might not be just some silly crazy dude. So I went to his website, the waterman files and beyond whatever issues you might have about his like fake credentials and stuff. If you check out that website, some problems jump out immediately from a blog post on December 28th, 2018, quote, as World War two came to an end, plans were in the works to purge the German race from the planet. Then the Zionists took over Germany, often called Second Israel. Germany has been the brunt of the NWO Zionist agenda ever since ever since the end of World War

two, Jews slash Zionists have pounded the media or pounded the minds of people with anti German Nazi propaganda. So the minute someone even mentions German military, they think it's a fascist regime. See, here's the thing. John Waterman believes a lot of the same stuff as Alex does, but he isn't nearly as interested in hiding his bigotry. Take this post from October 29th, 2018 about the Jack Ryan TV show that had come out, quote, Jewish Hollywood continues to lie by saying a plane hit the Pentagon. It will be a narrative that's repeated over and over like the lie of the so-called Holocaust and the lies of the California criminal politician Adam Schiff. The Jews will continue to support the anti American attacks on America of George Soros. So, so, so he is an anti-Semite

though. So we do have something we can define him. So he is an anti-Semite, not a doctor, not a John Waterman. Yes, there's one thing that seems pretty, pretty clear. Wow. Also, interestingly, Waterman loves Vladimir Putin explicitly arguing that he's trying to resurrect a Christian country in Russia, taking control away from the Jewish Bolsheviks, which is why the world hates him so much. It's all just the result of the Jews controlling the media and hating the fact that Putin is Christian. Man, I, I, we, we talk about the simultaneous, the enemy is infinite and the enemy is always losing a conundrum that they always have where it's like, oh, the Jews control everything and they're killing all of you. But also the Jews are

fucked over at every possible turn. Like, like, I don't understand. Where do these people get this? Why? What are you doing? What are you doing? Leave it? Like, all honesty, just let Jews do their thing unless it's Israel in which case Jews do different stuff. We're all good. It's because it's so historically a part of our, like, our collective conscience. I know. So weird. It's a piece of history that's existed since forever. Like, you know, you go back to, you know, when the blood libel started, that was like, you know, where are 1000 years ago? No, 800 years ago. Something like that. Yeah. So you have that that's been a part of, like, public psyche for a really long time. Right. And we've come to a place in our culture, especially now, that people know

about the Holocaust and things like that. But they don't realize a lot of the things that that hatred was built on. Right. They don't understand a lot of the stuff that predates even the rise of Nazism and why they chose Jews as a very easy scapegoat among other scapegoats. Right. So people don't recognize that this has been a shortcut that people who are lazy and bad have made forever. Yeah. So people like a waterman, he just doesn't want to do the work. He doesn't want to understand these sorts of things and grapple with greater complexity than the idea that there is just one group of evil Zionist Jews who are controlling everything. Now, the issue here for me is that he believes almost exactly the same things as Alex Jones. We've seen this over and over again throughout

this episode. And even through these posts that are, you know, against Jews, he's saying that one's bad, but he's saying similar things to Alex. He's pointing out fucking 100% saying Adam shifts an asshole. You know, Alex threatened to punch Adam shift. He loves Putin because he thinks that he's resurrecting a Christian country, which is a piece of Alex's rhetoric. Don't know where they get that, but fine. All of this stuff is there. And also, the anti-Semitism is there. And one of the reasons that I believe that this is the case, like, it's because he like, he perpetuates so many of the same narratives that Alex does. He's on the same propaganda team, even using the same sources to back up his arguments. Zero hedge is constantly cited on his blog. And Waterman clearly believes

all the same anti-communist narratives that were foundational to making Alex who he is today. Waterman is just he's an unrepentant anti-Semite, because he understands what the point of the propaganda is, even if some people try to be less explicit about it. Alex Jones is using anti-Semitic propaganda, whether or not he wants to own up to the fact that what's behind it is anti-Semitic. And someone like John Waterman very clear, like very clearly illustrates that. Yeah, same narratives, same idea of the world structure, and what have you. Right. Exact same sources, same historical trends that lead from the past to him, lead right to Alex. The only difference is that Alex couches his rhetoric with it's not the Jews, it's the globalists.

I hate it. I hate this, I hate this fucking part of humanity. It's so stupid. So that's all awful, but just to make you feel a little better, I want to read to you from a post that he made on Christmas Day 2018. If you thought that your Christmas was kind of weird, consider this. Quote, one very good source, a personal friend, spends a couple hours each day investigating the high level brinksmanship. We've met in Costa Rica during a trip by this bright tireless person. He has direct connections to certain QAnon members. I don't want to know this person. And to people who work closely with JFK Jr. No. It is said that the Bush family is in turmoil, that Hillary is facing trees and charges with only the timing in doubt,

not the process. And most excitingly, that John F. Kennedy Jr. will return to the stage in a grand event. He will identify his father's killer as George HW Bush. You don't know that that's a part of QAnon? I did not know that HW killed JFK. Well, no, that's a part of a lot of people's conspiracies, but that JFK Jr. faked his death in order to reemerge now that Trump is president in order to fight back against the globalists who killed his dad. What? That's a part of their right. Wait, what? Yeah, that's a piece of it. No, no, no. That's part of it? That's a piece of some QAnon. Part of it is JFK Jr. faked his own death in order to come back like Gandalf the White. Yep. The problem with ever really talking about QAnon stuff is they have the same,

they have that sort of vibe where it's like you make fun of that and then there'll be like 10 QAnon people who are like, we don't believe that stupid shit. We believe this stupid shit. There's so, there's a bunch of different versions of it. Right, right, right. It's just the central conceit is stupid, but it's Harry Potter slash fic more or less. Yeah. So that's, you know, that's Waterman. He's a QAnon guy. He's a complete weirdo, believes almost all the same stuff as Alex Jones or also is a ranging anti-Semite. So at the end of this episode that he's doing with Carrie, she's trying to wind it down. She's trying to end the interview and he's like, I want to play you something that I made. And so you PMA it's where you want to not bank.

I kind of thought that might be what he was doing. I really had a hunch that it's like, wow, he's shooting the moon here. This is crazy. But instead what it is is a long swelling music kind of it's not that long, but it's longer than it needs to be. There's some swelling music behind it and people saying you are Delo. No, no, no, no. So in this, this clip, we're going to hear the end of it and then his little speech that he gives about how you're not alone. We are in this together. I want to start every clip with that. So of course, the most important thing is to know you are not alone. And I think that gives us hope done. I feel like he thinks he's taken over her show. He's doing overnights now. He's doing like the long overnight radio shift. He's like,

you know, it's the most important thing. We are not alone. You know, because if we think we're alone, it gets kind of scary thinking we're alone, but we're all in this together and we're not alone. And there are many people and it's kind of like talking to the choir here, Kerry. This is the, this is the awake group, but that's what's encouraging. And we just need to understand that we're not bickering. It's, it's not time for us to talk about the shades of our color. It's time for us to say, I want to get rid of the mess and you and I are on the same page. Let's go get some, you know, get this done and get it over with. So knowing more about him, that message is no longer inspirational. If you don't know what he believes, then that message could easily be heard

as a message of unity. The idea of it's not time for us to talk about the shade of our colors, although that doesn't apply. There is a time to talk about that and I don't like that, but he, that could fall, hit your ear the same way as Alex's. We all bleed red blood. Absolutely. Doesn't matter if you're black, white, purple, blue, red, doesn't matter. Right. You could hear that and just be like, okay, yeah, absolutely. What he's trying to say is that there's a bigger evil that we need to face and that is this, uh, this system or whatever. But since we know what he means and what he believes, he knows it's Jews. It's so weird for him to be like, this is, this is a message of unity. Unless you're a Jew in which case, dude,

we're going to fuck you up. We're all in this together, except the Jews. It's like, man, dude, it's crazy to me for on so many levels. First of all, like just the little bit of awareness about his worldview and what he believes, it brings into focus like that complete change in what he's saying. And then second, Carrie doesn't know anything about him. So she allows him to give this message on her show that is innocuous sounding, but is actually deeply anti-Semitic. It's a call to commit a holocaustic because he even says remove the problem or get rid of this mess and just take care of it. Yeah. It's time to just get, it's just time to be done with it once and for all. Like a last solution or something. You know, these Zionists, we got to figure out the

omega fix for it. You know, we got to figure out that one last problem solver we need to do. Right. We need to figure out, I'm going to find Lionel's thesaurus here. Yeah, it's over in the corner. Yeah. Like the, whether it be because she kind of believes similar things, we've certainly heard her say some not so wonderful things about Jews in the past, but like whether it's that or just because she has no idea who she's talking to and doesn't prepare really for her shows at all, what she's done is allowed someone who's slick enough to not make that a part of his public presentation. Yeah. Be deeply anti-Semitic and give a message of we need to attack the Jews on her own show, which is crazy to me. Like when I heard that, I was like, holy shit,

Carrie, you got to do better. You can't do this. You can't, if you care, you can't do this. And also proves you're not a psychic. And what is in her name? God damn it. Yeah. It's just, it's nuts to me. And this is kind of how I think on a, on a sort of minute scale, I think it's illustrative of how people who have ill will, not always just Nazis, but like people who have ill will and are bigots and con men and those sorts of things, like they're very adept at co-opting people's messages. So, you know, you have somebody like this Waterman, he knows that if he's like immediately, hey, Carrie, Jews equal bad, that's not going to be an interview that goes well. We've got, we've got not a Dr. John Waterman in here. That's a strong statement to make right

off the bat. She probably knows enough to know like, that's not something I can put on my show. That's going to be a problem. So she wouldn't continue the interview with him. He's slick enough to know that I have to mind my P's and Q's when I'm on her show. But when I'm on my blog, I can fucking say whatever I want. Yeah. So. Shit post all day. The only thing that I can tell from that is with a hundred percent certainty is that Carrie's audience is much larger than his and he knows this is the best way he can hopefully indoctrinate some people over to his worldview by being on the show, being careful about stuff. People come check him out, get red pilled. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is how this shit goes. We should go on Joe Rogan's podcast and do the same thing, but for

good. I don't know if I could. I don't know how I would do that. Here's how we would do it. I'm not that fun. Hey. Hey. Stop it. Whatever you're doing right now, Joe. Stop it. Do do better. God damn it. How did that go? That was pretty smooth and slick, right? Very slick. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's another example of that. You know, that same sort of thing where he is whether consciously or unconsciously the tool by which people with ill will attract greater attention to themselves at Joe's expense like he shouldn't be signing off on a lot of these people's messages and he does. You can't know what's in the guy's mind. No, you know, but you would hope indications that it's not I care a lot. You would. You would hope that somebody who managed to help make news radio

the fucking greatest sitcom of the 90s would know better. You would hope that somebody who has Andy Dick was on that show. Don't don't. Fair enough. Never mind that. Come on. Listen, it's a murderer's rope. So this is this brings us to the end of this little adventure. And I think that I don't know. I don't know if this is like a hugely important thing to like discuss, but I think there's some connective tissue in there that's really important, whether it be the project Camelot World connecting with Alex Moore. People should realize there is there is a lot of connection between those two or the connection between people who espouse exactly the same rhetoric as Alex, but hide their anti-Semitic Nazi-ish beliefs in order to be more socially

acceptable. It's an intentional strategy that people like that use. Right. I always appreciate these because there are so many things where if you were a casual observer, if you were not really paying close attention, or if you didn't have, if you weren't conversant in this world already, you would listen to his interview and be like, Oh, well, this is just a loony, you know, there's no big deal. I think that through most of it. Well, yeah, well, of course, it is that of course, but it is, it is so much like these guys are always interconnected with each other. And there's so many different versions. There's so many different flavors and degrees by which these guys can get away with shit to a certain audience. You know,

somebody from Stormfront may believe the exact same shit as Alex Jones. Of course. But on Stormfront, they'll throw it off all this way. Somebody on Facebook who, like you know, who believes all the same shit Alex Jones does, isn't going to say it the same way that Stormfront guy does. Right. You know, different, different venues require different presentation. Right. But it's the same shit. And it's so hard because there's so many degrees and your, your basic human instinct is to give people the benefit of the doubt. Yep. And if there's one thing that our show has proven, it's that you should never trust anybody. We're all in this for ourselves. Everybody's fucking lying to you. And nobody knows what's going on. And the summer

of rage is coming 2019. So the other, the last thing I want to say, just move on. Yeah. The last thing I want to say is that like, just as sort of a funny wrinkle, John Waterman thinks that Alex Jones is a CIA show. Oh, of course. So he doesn't hate Jews enough. Yeah, you bet. Yeah. So what you have there too is another little microcosm of these people who have these messages and all this shit that they put into the world. And one of the ways that they gain credibility for themselves is attack people who are exactly like them. Yeah. You know, in the same way that, you know, Alex attacks Bill Cooper. Yeah. And, you know, it claims, makes the claims that he does about him. This John Waterman attacks

Alex Jones in order to be like, no, I'm the pure version. Right. He's working for Stratfor. Right. You know, and stuff like that. That's another piece of this con that is so central to all this shit. And it's just, it's, it's lame. Creating that conflict only makes both parties stronger, which is so infuriating. Like with the David Duke interview where you're like, Alex, stop pretending you love this guy. You do. You love everything he stands for and you love everything he believes, but you, you pretend to push back. That way his followers can be like, Oh, Alex, you don't hate Jews. And then Alex's followers can be like, ha, ha, see, he doesn't hate Jews, but both of them are the same fucking guys. You both, you both galvanize your audiences a little bit using the

other person as like a prop. Yeah. And then at the same time, you kind of just hope to siphon off a few people. Yeah. And then you all go out for drinks afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. And talk about how much you both love Ron Paul. So anyway, we'll be back with the next episode. But until then, we got a website. We do have a website. It is knowledge fight.com up knowledge fight.org.com. We also on Twitter that knowledge underscore fight. We're also on Facebook. We are on Facebook. You can join our group. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. True. We're on iTunes and places like that. Indeed. Dan, I would guess based on the fact that not a Dr. John Waterman is not a doctor nor a John Waterman. I bet he might have killed a guy with his natural

some bad medical advice. Look, I'm just saying there's a reason that his real name is not anywhere near this interview. But one guy who definitely probably also has technically killed a guy. That's Alex Jones. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.