Knowledge Fight - #255: September 25, 2011

Episode Date: January 23, 2019

Today, Policy Wonk Joshua has sent Dan and Jordan back to 2011 to see what Alex Jones thought about the Occupy Wall Street protests. Dan chose this day because it was the day after around 80 peaceful protesters were arrested, and it seemed like Alex might be mad about that. The gents get into this and also speculate that Alex just discovered The Who in 2011.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. I said that almost like I'm taunting somebody. I know that was a weird opening for you. Sorry about that. That did not have your usual sonorous tones to it. I don't know what it was. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Hi, Jordan. Dan. Yep. I got nothing for you right now. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. When was the last time you opened the show with a weird tone of voice? Today. Boo. Boo on your interview. I know.

Usually I come up with a question right off the top of my head. Yeah, they're usually not great. I usually have to dig out of a ditch with your bland-ass question. Well, now I've just raised the difficulty level. I have to come up with a question to ask myself. Dig out of this ditch, huh? Oh boy. I'm just testing. I refuse to. I refuse to. I have a hostile partner in this and I will not. I will not bend to the winds of a terrorist interviewer. Oh, no, that's not fair. I'm no Somali pirate. That's true. So, Jordan, today we have an interesting show ahead of us. I am excited to get into what we're going to get into. We're doing time travel episode today at the behest of Policy Wonk Joshua. I'm very excited to get into the topic at hand,

which we will explain momentarily. But before we do, we got to say thank you to a couple of people who have joined up and are supporting the show. So first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Sam. You are now a Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you, Sam. Thanks, Sam. Did I explain this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and you just know what I tell you? I don't think we did that. Did we not do that part? I'm not sure. That's my interview question. Anyway, if we didn't, that's what we are. My answer to most questions is, I don't remember while we were talking about five minutes ago. Anyway, thank you, Sam. Thank you very much, Sam. Kelsey, thank you so much. You are now a Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you, Kelsey. Also,

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I'm prone to help them out in any way I can. And I got a very nice message from Grace, and she wanted us to know that there's a Policy Wonk out there by the name of Bruce, who's having a birthday. And we wanted to take a little bit of a moment to say happy birthday out there, Bruce. Happy birthday, Bruce. We appreciate you listening and your support. And that, you know, I hear, I hear you got a podcast about UFOs. That's pretty, that's pretty fun. That sounds cool. I don't know. We could talk about the Dulce base. You want to send me a message or we'd talk about the Dulce base? You know about Dulce? I swear to God, it is the boring underwater base. No, it's not underwater. It's the Dulce base. Oh, yeah, that's where your mind goes with it. No,

it's not that. How it is. Dulce base is in New Mexico underground. There's 17 floors underground. There's aliens experimenting with humans. And Bruce knows about that because he's into UFOs. I will accept that it could be a less reflective third letter of the alphabet base. Oh, I see what you're saying there. It's been polished too much. It's burnished. It's burnished. Yes, perhaps. Yeah. Anyway, Bruce, happy birthday. Yes, happy birthday, Bruce. God bless you. And I hope all is well. Anyway, Jordan, today we are getting into this time travel episode on the request, well, I wouldn't say demand. He was very nice about it, of policy wonk Joshua. Now, today we're going back to September 25, 2011. And it's always a fun game to try and figure out if you

have any idea what a date might be that someone would send me back to. Okay, so this is 92511, right? That's correct. All right, so this is right after 911. Well, 91111, the 10 year anniversary. Oh, okay. All right. So I never forget two weeks after the towers fell. Two years, two weeks. 10 years. No, I have no idea what was going on. It's September 25. This is about Occupy Wall Street. Oh, okay, cool. I bet he has really awesome progressive positive things to say about Occupy Wall Street. Now, before we get into this, I want to say that I this was coming in. I had no, I have no idea what to expect. According to their own website, Occupy Wall Street was quote,

a people powered movement inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of the world that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future. Based solely on that, Alex Jones should be against them, since he thinks that the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia were globalist false flag uprisings. So that should be a red flag that this is just another one. On the other hand, while Occupy Wall Street was not targeted at the Federal Reserve, it definitely had the appearance of being a community of people who could be red pilled by the info warriors and become them themselves. So maybe Alex would be in favor of it, since it could serve as a pipeline

to him gaining a wider audience. On the other hand, the beginnings of Occupy Wall Street grew out of the publication ad busters, which is definitely anti consumerist and pretty certainly anti capitalist. So that seems like Alex would be very against them. This is so infuriating when you know the answer of what is going to happen in this episode. On the other hand, this is so infuriating, you have the optics of people standing against the police. It seems impossible for Alex not to be on the side of the people. So it feels like you would have to either be on board with Occupy Wall Street against his principles or completely ignore it. So he doesn't have to side with the police. Are we doing vicinity? Are we doing the the princess bride? Is this

iocaine powder going on right here? On the other hand, they were literally protesting bank malfeasance. And that's one of the main pieces of Alex's like primary brand. So it seems like he might try inside with them, but at the same time, ignore the parts of what the protest stood for that are diametrically opposed to his worldview. You truly have a gift for rhymes. On the other hand, the stuff the protest stood for that are opposed to his worldview. That's really important stuff. Redistribution of income, forgiveness of student debt, putting restrictions or limitations on bank profits, putting restrictions on excessive executive compensations. All of these things are not things Alex is into at all. And in fact,

he believes that some of them are the evil goals of the globalist. And plus, Michael Moore was involved. So how could Alex possibly be on board? What I'm getting at, what I'm getting at is that when policy wonk, Joshua proposed that we do this episode about what Alex Jones thought about Occupy Wall Street. I had literally no idea what I was going to find. The ball could fall in any slot on this roulette wheel. In choosing the specific date to go back to, I decided to choose September 25th, 2011. I chose this date because though Occupy Wall Street began on September 17th, I felt it was probably likely that Alex would be slow to hear about it or talk about it, because that seems to be his trend, except when it comes to Somali pirates.

Apparently Somali pirates, right on the ball. However, on September 24th, at least 80 protesters were arrested and videos came out of police roughing up protesters who were peaceful, corralling them with a large net, and a video of Officer Anthony Bologna, masing young female protesters. I felt if there was any day that was going to be the day that Alex would talk about Occupy Wall Street as a positive or as a negative, this was going to be the day that he was triggered. And so we jump in on the 25th of September. I swear to God, if this is about Somali pirates again, I'm going to lose my shit. It's not. I don't actually know. You're pretending that I know a lot,

even though I know what the clips are going to be and all that. I don't really know that much. We don't know where he actually lands. I mean, we'll get to it, but it's hard to say exactly. Is he conflicted? I'm going to tell you ahead of time. This is probably going to be one of these preludes of things to come. I think that Occupy Wall Street, the entire span of it, is where I'm going after 2009. After I get my fill of Alex's the Tea Party stuff, once that comes into a better picture for me, once I get a handle on the Soros stuff,

all that stuff in 2009, I believe that looking at the entirety of the Occupy Wall Street and Alex's positions on it, I think that would be a fitting next investigation. Yeah. And the glimpse that we get here, I don't think is complete at all. Just know I know what's coming in the clips, but I don't know big picture what's going on. All right. Well, that means what's coming in the clips is going to be wackadoo shit. Well, somewhat. So he starts the show. Oh, this is a Sunday show too. So it's like, it's only a two hour show. But also, I thought that that would be better because it's our soft

launch. Right. Back then he had more distribution through NS Communications on Sunday than Genesis Communications had at their disposal. So it seemed very possible that the Sunday episode would be more meat. Yeah. So we jump in and we start with Alex just kind of bragging, kind of in a fun way. That's normal. We are broadcasting worldwide blasting on the AM and FM dial global shortwave and of course, satellite number one on the internet at infowars.com and prisonplanet.com for online streaming and podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. You have founded the tip of the spear of the front line in the info war as we attempt in some cases with great success

to alert free humanity to the dangers of historical tyranny. Cool. I, you know, the only thing that I get whenever I hear that kind of beginning when he's like number one on global shortwave and stuff like that. Do you remember when the 36 Mafia won an Academy Award? No. They won for Hustlin Flow soundtrack. They won an Oscar for that. Oh, yeah. And so their next song was Dope Boy Fresh, a state dope boy, dope, the dope boy fresh. Yes. That's I don't remember that song. And based on the way you sung it, I am very glad. Oh, God, it's so good. It doesn't sound like a star and a guest star and chameleon air. Man, how long has chameleon air been around? If he'd invested better, he'd be chameleon.

That video for it is awesome. It's just a being John Malkovich rip. They just do being John Malkovich, but like being 36 Mafia. Okay. So there's like people going into the little nook that takes them right. And they're just like doing a music video, but it keeps flashing. Did Michelle Gondry direct this? I don't remember who did, but it was one of those guys. Yeah, it's a it's a really good music video. But the reason I bring it up is the song starts with 36 Mafia Academy Award winners. Like they were hyping up that they won the Academy Award. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember what the next song is. You're really not selling me on this song or this album or 36 Mafia at all. The reason I'm bringing this up is because the next

single they had after that, it starts with 36 Mafia number one ringtone. It's a little bit of a scaling down of the, of the brag, but their songs in that era consistently opened with them bragging about something. When I hear Alex number one on short wave, I'm like, that's just 36 Mafia shit. So one ringtone. Yeah. All right. All right. So give me schoolboy cue any day. I don't need any of this chameleon air bullshit. So I thought that was funny, but it's just kind of like standard stuff. It doesn't tell us anything about what's going on. Quick question. So chameleon air, is that a pun on chameleon? Yes, it is. Yes. Okay. And millionaire. I got that. I got that part. I was, I just

wasn't sure was he or like, was his name like cam or something like that. You know, like, I just wasn't sure it starts at CH. Okay. All right. All right. But it, yeah, it's a, it's a chameleon and a millionaire. He's like adaptable millionaire. That's, I get it. Anyway, that opening doesn't tell us that much. It's interesting too to like, oh, when we do these time travel things to go back to periods in Alex's career, where we have a great context of like, who he is and how he processes information based on a brain level. But I don't know what he's been up to in 2011. We had a, we had Somali pirate day. Who knows what's going to happen. Or when we looked at Ebola day, you know, like there's a lot of like in 2014, he had different waypoints that were used to.

And I was expecting that we would find different waypoints here. And one of them, it turns out, is by September 2011, Alex Jones is really into the tea party. Obviously, we've got an information overload here. And I've not been getting a lot into politics because most of these people are horses owned by the very same stable, owned by the very same operation, the globalists, like a Don King boxing match, but we have a real contender in the arena, a great white who's not rigged. And so the system is pulling out the stops. Of course, his name is Ron Paul. But I think it's important to just go over a few of the dirty tricks they've run against him and illustrate the fact that even the corporate shill media is admitting that the tea party

people who actually are constitutionalists, are they? The Republicans have basically failed to coopt it. Rick Perry has failed to coopt it. And the tea party is destroying Rick Perry. So he is now taken ownership of the tea party by this point. We're already starting to see kernels of that in 2009 when he has Stuart Rhodes and they're talking about being able to go out and radicalize people for sure at the tea party and stuff like that. So it seems that at some point, between these two points in time, he's accepted that like, I can, I can associate with this. Yeah. So that's interesting on some level. And of course, he's super into Ron Paul, but that's no surprise at all. Now, everybody's cool with that. And of course,

this is also in the lead up to the 2012 election. So Ron Paul's running, you know, like, and Rick Perry sucks. So it's true. You can always hate on Rick Perry. Alex ended the endgame documentary bullhorning Rick Perry's house about how he went to Bilderberg. So, you know, he's been a longtime villain of his. But unfortunately, we're good. Unfortunately, I should tell you that Alex's critiques of Rick Perry aren't always based on policy. And sometimes they drift into the homophobic. We've also got to take out politically the other kindle who's just as bad or worse. And that's Mitt twinkle toes. Romney, he is a clone of Rick Perry, except for the fact that he's from Michigan, not from Texas.

And he has not attended Bilderberg that we know. Okay. And he was on a male cheerleader. Normally to be a Republican contender, you've got to be a male cheerleader as a man. Rick Perry, of course, is a male cheerleader like George W. Bush and others. And Trent Lott, the rest of them, part of the twinkle toes, pillowbiting club or whatever they're part of. Really? That's where we get into trouble. That's where we got into trouble. Not the twinkle toes part. Hey, hey, come on. Who is it? Who hasn't said twinkle toes? That was a characterization that was given to Aang in Avatar, the last airbender, Dan. Listen, context matters. Toph gave him the nickname twinkle toes.

Context matters. Because he was an airbender. All right. I assume that, I assume that Alex Jones is describing both Rick Perry and Mitt Romney as airbenders. Now, admittedly, they would not be airbenders. The firebender wasn't a pillowbiter. Well, the firebenders were all fascists. Well, not all of them. Okay. Let me tell you more about the legend of what? No. How does it relate to Dune? Oh boy. So with Avatar, the last airbender. So in this next clip, I don't want to hear it. So I can relate it to Dune. In much the same way as on our last episode, we got blindsided by an episode that we expected to be about something and then it became something else. It became about the Somali pirates

of nowhere. The same way, I'm expecting to hear something about Occupy Wall Street or I'm expecting Alex to keep talking about Ron Paul, but instead he gets distracted by something I could never have expected. There's a bee in the studio. People are waking up to the game that the who has talked about. You know, I was driving in today listening to 93.7 LBJ, the local rock station and listen to the who song won't get fooled again. And this was something, this was music that came out in 1971. And they're talking about the left right paradigm. They're talking about the scams. They're talking about how it's a two-party dictatorship. But finally, decades and decades later, more and more people. Well, Congress has a 9%

approval rating, the lowest in history. That's been a talking point of his since the fucking 2009. He's never changed the approval rating. So look, dude, he just goes on a TED talk about the won't get fooled again. Man, look, and you know what? This is one thing I'm not going to fault him for. All right? Yeah. It is a lot to put out four hours of content every day. No, totally. So I get it. You're driving to work. Whatever it was you thought you were going to talk about that day. You're not getting it up for it for whatever reason. You know what? It's just like that who song, Baba O'Reilly. This is our teenage wasteland. There you go. You know what? You fill your time with what you got to do. I guess, but I accept that. But that's what shock jocks do.

That's what people who have low stakes shows do. Alex is pretending he lives in the world of high stakes espionage and governments talk to him and listen to his show. He insists on doing like 20 minutes on the importance of won't get fooled again. It's crazy. Like to the point where in this next clip, it starts with him reminding people who they are. Oh, the who they are. Exactly. There you go. But he doesn't bring up who are you. First, maybe if you're younger or older, and I don't know who the who are, I should play a clip of this song to remind you here it is. Yeah, no one's ever heard this before. You've heard that before? Yeah. I love that. You've heard that? Yep. We're going to come back after the break and actually play some of the

pertinent sections from the piece about meet the new boss, same as the old boss, won't get fooled again. But I wanted to remind you of the who, by the way, Jaren was down at his favorite place to watch soccer on television. You don't mind if I say where you go watch soccer, do you, Jaren? He loves it. Fado's down there. I'm trying to get me to go down there. All right. And I guess he was there. Robert plant. And I almost could strangle Jaren for not going up with his iPhone, his producer phone and and shooting quick interview with Robert plant. Nobody was bugging him in there. Most people didn't even know who he was. I guess he owns one of the teams his team was losing team. He was watching and Jaren didn't go over and talk to Robert plant. And then Jaren pointed

out, well, my iPhone's so old, the producer iPhone is so old it doesn't shoot video. So I have to get a new, a new producer phone, but side issue. No shit. It's a side issue on a side issue. Okay. Okay. So if I understand correctly, the train of thought is the who I got to remind you who the who is the who the who is a band from from a many, many decades ago. That's correct. Who has been played on the radio one of perhaps the most famous rock bands of all time. Top 10, at least if you are on this planet and you have not heard a who song, you are in the minority in the top 50 rock songs of all time. They probably have 10. No, not 10, like not like four, five. I'd give them for Bob O'Reilly. Yeah. Who are you? Won't get fooled again. Right. Something

off Tommy pinball wizard. Let's go with that. I was getting real aggressive. You were coming out hot and then you ran out of gas quick. So we start there. They have a lot of really like huge salt. Like they're kind of a big deal. Huge. You don't need to remind your goddamn audience who the fucking who are. Let me remind you my target demographic of old white people. Right. Who the who is. Yeah. Let's start there. You remember this. Go fuck yourself. Next thought. Now that I've reminded you who the who is, I'm going to bring up unrelated personality and Robert plans. My producers ran into Robert plant while watching soccer. Yeah. So, so we're in you should have taken your Adderall this morning levels of conversation right now. Secondary revelation

though. And this is something that I think that most people who would listen to this wouldn't pick up on, but I think it's actually super important. He can't afford a good phone. No. At this point in 2011, Alex gives his producers iPhones. That's true. He hates Apple. He hates those companies. And yeah, he he is using the products as you know, the producer phones and he doesn't even give him a good enough one to shoot video. Well, he couldn't have cared about those like anti Apple narratives back then. That has to have been a new addition to it. When what is he? What does he use Samsung now? There's no phone that's in his ideological bent. I'm sure he still uses Apple products, but just like Tim Cooks a monster. Who cares? It's just an illustration

of he prefers simplicity over standing with his well, how many holistic healers have we had on this show always tell a story where they're like, and I had to go to the doctor one time and you're like, Oh, doctor, huh? So in this next clip, Alex is doing a dramatic reading of the lyrics of won't get fooled again, and then makes a claim that I know is not true. I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around me, pick up my guitar and play just like yesterday and I'll get on my knees and pray. We won't get fooled again. Don't get fooled again. No, no. By the way, I have confirmed from folks that most of the who are huge fans of the show. And you're listening out there. You gotta come on the

show. Some of them only some of them had a bigger than the who I've talked to who are listeners, but won't come on. Cool. You got big, big fans, whatever. I want to tell you this in a 2015 interview, Pete Townsend, the guy who wrote all the songs on who's next, the album that won't won't get fooled again was on had this to say, quote, I think that music has always suffered from being tied to any kind of political or social or even spiritual or religious connection. I suppose the who were rebellious and I suppose for a while we were or seem to be anti establishment. But that wasn't us really. I think we were just reflecting what was going on around us. So interesting. Also won't get fooled again was originally written to be a part of the

who's scrapped sci fi rock opera life house. They realized they should just let Tommy stand alone, so they abandoned life house and put the song on the album who's next. Also, the song wasn't really even about the real world. It was written to be the closing song of that rock opera. And when you actually look at the lyrics, they kind of inspire apathy as opposed to revolution, a criticism that many have leveled against Townsend over the years. And that criticism seems deserved. Seeing as Townsend has described the song as one of quote that screams defiance at those who feel any cause is better than no cause. It's a rallying cry to have no position like defending your right to remain silent kind of in the face of social upheaval. He's also a pedophile alleged probable

life house was like it was a quintessential rock slash prog rock opera. It was set in a dystopian time when rock and roll was gone and people were oppressed and given bland entertainment, but a select group of people and a wizened old guru kept a secret knowledge of the power of rock secret but alive prog rock was so good. I love me a good yes. It probably felt fresh in 1970 and the cocaine obviously helped. But this is basically the same plot of rushes 2112 and tons of other concept albums, not least of which deltron 30 30. Anyway, my point here is that Alex could not be more wrong about the who they were art school weirdos who shied away from any true revolutionary sentiment, even as it relates to this very song. The song may have been adopted by many people

with revolutionary intent, but that was never the interest of the band. They were largely just like there. And you can see it in P town since later career, like he's gotten more involved in like the Philharmonic and stuff like that. You know, it's crazy. It's crazy. I like a good concept album. I do too. I love it. Have you ever heard Masayoshi Takanaka's Seven Goblins? I have not. Yeah, you should check it out. Maybe I should. He's a guitar virtuoso. I will say that I liked concept albums a lot more back when I used to get high all the time. I'll say that they were perfect for that. Yeah, that immersive experience of like this album is telling me a story along with music. It's great. Do you want to have a really boring conversation about M83 and whether

or not he's doing concept albums, but not telling people he's doing concept albums? Are you done? Nope. All right. So Alex is, you know, he's doing his misguided Ted talk about the who, which I think is very interesting on some level. Do you? Well, if only because it's not interesting. You know, if that makes sense. It does. It's out of place. It's weird. It takes up a large chunk of the show, at least 15, 20 minutes. He's spending talking about this who song that has been out for 30 something years at this point, 40 years at this point almost. To me, it feels like if I had not heard it before. Yeah. Like if I were to start explaining like 90s hip hop from St. Louis and the surrounding area to you, right? Let me tell you about the members of the lunatics.

Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, I've been alive. I know that city spud was in prison. I get it. That's why the first album was called free free city. Second album was called city free. Hold on. Got out of prison. I understand. Are you a 60 year old white guy? Are you a 60 year old white guy? Let me tell you about a band called Led Zeppelin. Freak out. Oh, no idea. Holy shit. You don't even know that there's a California hotel that you cannot get out of. That's the Eagles. But isn't it crazy? I understand. Isn't it crazy? I just was worried you'd get an email. Oh, I was also worried about that. It's just nuts to me. Like why waste your time? You're in the middle of like trying to defend Ron Paul about like why he's running for president. Right.

Right. Occupy Wall Street happening that should be either something you're super into or super against yet you've got to dissect the goddamn who. Although on the other hand, perhaps it makes even more sense because his dichotomy is Ron Paul and Occupy Wall Street. What song could be more fitting than apathy from the won't get fooled again lyrics because Ron Paul has already fooled him. None of what Ron Paul says is true. No. And the Occupy Wall Street for him is a clear lie. So he won't get fooled again by either of those. And instead he will not get fooled by instead talking about won't get fooled, Dan. Perhaps. Or it's just a way of putting off having to say anything real. That makes more sense. I don't know. I'm going to go with you. Any of this is possible. But

he goes into this. He spends a good bit of time about that. And then he goes to commercial. And I heard a commercial that I'd never heard before that I think is really interesting. And it's one of these rare instances. Like a lot of the time you'll hear a fucking messed up commercial on his show. Yeah. Like that Most High Family Monastery. Oh, that was fucked up. That was super fucked up. That wasn't Alex doing the voiceover for it. Right. Or like all of his commercials that he's done for like the Israeli Tourism Bureau. Right. Those are packaged commercials that are sent over and he's played. He makes money off it. But this one he's doing the voiceover for. And it just I'm here to tell you today that I have a modest proposal that you guys should look into.

There is a new food company out there revolutionizing the way that we eat our children. What if he advocated for Soylent? What if he did that? What if he got on board with Soylent real early? It's not green. It's not green. It's still people. This is Alex Jones. And I just want to let you know it is made of people. JK, just get just fucking with you. So when I heard this commercial, it struck my ear really weird because first of all, I found it to be cagey. I found the specifics to be lacking. And that led me to have to figure out what this was a commercial for. And when I found out, I found out it's a scam. And Alex did the voiceover for it. A very wealthy US citizen is predicting that in 2011, we will witness the most important day in

America in more than 50 years. He says it will change everything about our lives. The way you shop, travel, invest, educate your children, and even how you take care of your health and your own family. Now this man has made some outrageous predictions over the years. The crazy part is he's usually right. You see, he predicted the collapse of GM, Panny May, Freddie Mac, and America's biggest mall owner, General Growth Properties. In fact, Barron's called his work a dire prophecy. Recently, he created a video which you can watch online for free, detailing his biggest and most important prediction yet. And it's a real eye opener. I can't stress this enough. You should at least watch this free video online today. He explains everything you need to know, including

simple steps you can take to protect yourself. You can find the video at www.endofamerica3.com. That's end of America, the number three.com. Watch the free video at www.endofamerica3.com. That's end of america3.com. He just says the URL four times at the end there. Also, it's not the third installment. I bet he just couldn't get the URL. I know. No, the only question that I am, the only thing that, so if you're writing an ad, not to show how the sausage is made, but the call to action should be towards the action you want, as opposed to that call to action, which makes me want to go, well, what the fuck's up with endofamerica1.com? Right, I can't go. You're not selling me on endofamerica3.com until you sell me on endofamerica1.com.

I can't jump in on Return of the Jedi without seeing the first two. Yeah, what are you doing? So endofamerica3 is the work of a guy named Porter Stansberry, which Alex is very keen to not say his name in the commercial. A very wealthy American is saying this. That's Porter Stansberry. And to put it simply, he is a fucking con man. Alex is not just running a commercial for him. He did the voiceover for it and he plays it four times during this two hour episode. He's pushing this, or at least he's getting a lot of money, which takes up this advertising time. Stansberry is a fraud in the vein of most of Alex's guests. He spreads fear of appending collapse and advises people to subscribe to his expensive newsletter for advice. And also he advises them to buy

gold and silver. His credibility was based on the claim that he has, that he had predicted the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Problem is that the only evidence of this prediction is him saying that he predicted it after the fact. In a funny turn of events. That's how the best predictions work. It's true. In a funny turn of events, one of Stansberry's harshest critics was fellow Alex Jones guest and notorious gold bug Peter Schiff, who studied all of Stansberry's newsletters from 2006 to 2008 and on his own show called him out and said he was a liar. What? What are you doing? You're breaking the code. Yeah. Peter Schiff took him to the woodshed. Dude, that's bullshit. That's, that's con man's code. You don't fuck up another man's con.

It kind of, that's just rude. I mean, it kind of makes me respect Peter Schiff a little more, not much. Yeah, but I assume, I assume there's a con man high council that got together and censored Peter Schiff because of this. And there's also a possibility that like he was working against Peter Schiff scam interests. So maybe there wasn't like a way to turf war. Yeah. Maybe like a cut it off at the past. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause there are, there are a lot of similarities in terms of like selling newsletters, advocating for where you buy your gold and silver from. It's possible. Yeah. Turf war is entirely possible. Turf war. Turf war makes sense. Whatever the motivation is, I do enjoy seeing these Alex Jones guests and supporters beef. It makes me, it makes me so

angry, but because it does prove that they can research. True. Oh, oh, did you spend two years looking at this guy's shit and then using real world information to synthesize whether or not it was fucking valuable? Oh, have you thought about doing that before? They do. They do. They just spend that time instead of researching the truth, fine tuning the scams. Exactly. So, but that's because that's what's most profitable. Like that's right. If we did that, we would have a fucking Bitcoin operation going and we would have cashed out long ago, but instead we do this. And I'm glad some people like it. In 2003, the SEC filed a case against Porter Stansbury for selling false information to his subscribers. He claimed to have insider tips that a certain stock was going

to go up, but it did not. An investigation found that he had just made up the source. And in 2007, he was sentenced to pay $1.5 million in restitution to the people he had defrauded. He tried to pull a First Amendment argument, but the court rejected it because quote, Stansbury's conduct undoubtedly involved deliberate fraud, making statements that he knew to be false. The sentence was upheld by the Fourth Circuit Court and the Supreme Court refused to hear the case because why would you? Yeah. Yeah. The episode that we're listening to where these ads are from comes from 2011, years after Stansbury was charged with intentional fraud. And here Alex is doing a voiceover for the commercials for his new fraud. Wow. That is. Alex has no fucking moral compass.

He doesn't give a fuck. I didn't know that you didn't even need the definition of the word unscrupulous. You could just show that. It's nuts. Like the idea. Why use words to describe what unscrupulous means when you could just tell that story? Well, the idea of him doing like Alex doing exactly what he did in 2011 and say like 2005, 2006, something like that for Porter Stansbury, before he was charged by the SEC and had to pay out $1.5 million for fraud. How does he have $1.5 million? Because he defrauded a ton of people. I know, but like that's a really good fraud. That's too good. It's too good. That's why you get into trouble. You can't fraud that good. Like Icarus, you fraud it too close to the sun. Yeah. You gotta pull back on your fraud.

Yeah. So I find that interesting and I always like to check in with where his monetary sources are coming from and great to find out that in 2011, they're no more ethical than they are at any other point. Nope. But like we've already sort of seen a little bit beyond wanting to talk about the who. Alex seems mostly into Ron Paul today. Yeah. And in this next clip, we see that he's fucking super into it. And I was driving in listening to local radio today and I heard a host asking his listeners, why are you saying Ron Paul is a first tier? He contains multitudes, when he came in fifth or whatever it was in Florida. Why do you guys keep insisting he can win? And I heard a few callers who really couldn't articulate things. Let me articulate things

for everybody out there. Okay. Ron Paul has won the two coveted CPAC polls in a row by record percentages. That is a Republican straw poll of the real Republican faithful. Now this is a misrepresentation, because I don't know if you remember this during the Republican primary 2012 election. Yeah. Mitt Romney announced ahead of time that he was skipping straw polls. He did not engage at all. His campaign made it very clear. We are only focusing on caucuses and primaries. These straw polls, it will be a waste of our resources. So in the first straw poll that came out, Ron Paul was way up there. Mitt Romney was way low, because he put no effort into campaigning, no effort into being involved in the process of it at all. Yeah. And

so that gave people like Alex Jones this incredibly false hope that Ron Paul had the goods to go the distance. And he fucking didn't. These these indications of the like what Alex pulls out first in terms of his defense of Ron Paul is these straw polls. And if you know anything about what was going on, you would know that that is a, I don't know what is it, a hollow victory. You know, it's like, yes. Peerick. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You beat Santorum. I hope you would. I mean, yeah. I mean, as I recall, it was like him and Bachman were at the top of the straw polls. Not good. So like, but Mitt Romney would have won them if he was involved as evidenced by all of the primaries that started happening. Yeah. And Mitt Romney just started steamrolling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

people, people in the Republican party didn't know that they could be that racist in the 2011 election or in the 2012 election. Sure. They were, they were all like, oh, there's a black president. So obviously people want multiculturalism. There's no way to win on a purely we hate black people platform. So let's pick like a Mitt Romney or like, it wasn't until Trump really showed them that you can let your racist flag fly that they realized that Ron Paul probably would have beaten if Ron Paul would speak freely. He could be elected now. Yeah. Exactly. Before he probably could maybe he could have gotten elected if he spoke freely before because he would have galvanized a lot of that big tree. They have just gone full racist.

They probably could have beaten Obama in 2012. There's a decent chance, which is really scary. That's what we should have. That's what we should have learned from Trump winning is that if they had gone full racist, we would have had a one term Obama. If Ron Paul hadn't had denied writing all those newsletters and stuff like that, you might have seen an acceleration of where we ended up four years later. Exactly. But it's hard to tell because he's also not nearly as charismatic as Trump, you know, like in a just sort of a broad sense in a reality. He's a sweet old man. Yeah. What have you. And also he's boring generally as a as a orator. Yes. And also his brother thinks that three people voted for the Federal Reserve. Let's be honest.

He thinks that three people. Come on. Come on. So it's just all Ron Paul defense that's going on. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of I've cut out because it's just straight dog shit boring. Yeah. Just in being like, Ron can win. I don't need to hear that a hundred times. Yeah. Yeah. We will hear a little bit more of it later. But before we do, we got to check in with what Alex thinks about the highway men. Does he want to sing along with them in 2011? What year are we not going to find out how he feels about the highway bet? Well, in different years, he has different responses to it. Sometimes it just plays. All right. Sometimes he sings along with it. Okay. Let's see how it goes in 2011.

I was a highway man. Along the coach roads, I did rise. Sword and pistol by my side. There it is. Sword and pistol by my side. Many a young maid lost her bobbles to my trade. Who is this? Bill Clinton? We got jokes. You can trust me. I'm good. Global warming is real. Pay all gore money. That's not bad. In terms of his impressions, that's not bad. Currently. It's an easy impression, but that's not bad. That wasn't a terrible. That was easily his best impression that we've ever seen. Yeah. That's a good impression of this standard Bill Clinton impression. It's basically him doing an impression of Daryl Hammond. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But at the same time, fine. Daryl Hammond was great at it. Still better than

his impression of a Adomian's burning. Yeah. Whatever he's doing. Anyway, in this next clip, like I said, most of this show is about defensiveness about Ron Paul. And this next clip follows that same theme. I mean, this is so elementary that it makes my head spin sometimes. That you've got a guy who has come in first, second, or third in every scientific poll of hundreds and hundreds I've seen who wins all the spontaneous internet polls that I believe are even more scientific because you can only vote once. What? According to your IP address, who's winning every one of those, usually in double digits. What? In fact, in every case by double or right at double, and they're saying, sorry, he can't win. Sorry, he's not a choice. Sorry,

he's not a contender. That'd be like if there was a guy in Formula One racing, who had one races come in second and third and a bunch of others. They're in the poll position out of the gates. And with 80% of the race to go, they're in third place. And their car is picking up steam, running great. And they say it's too bad that the Marlboro car or the Jack Daniels car or whatever it is or the Chevy car, too bad that car can't win. I think a more one of those three can make a car. I think a more apt metaphor would be like, okay, so you're doing this race and the guy who has the best like way faster car wasn't in for the first two laps. And you know, your car is going fine. It's maybe running out of it. It doesn't have any more boosters

on it. Doesn't have any more knots. Doesn't have any knots. We're getting into fast and furious. Yeah. Yeah. And so what you got here is you're doing fine. You're, you're going around the course and what have you, but the guy who has the much better, faster, sleeker car and is better at driving it is now in the race and he's gaining on you. Right. Right. And people who have just a like, I don't know. Because Coke's bought his rockets. You bet. Yeah. And so there's a legitimate way to look at it. It's like, well, let's say he's in third then, that's a great position for him to be in at any point, but he's only in third because Mitt Romney is gaining. Everyone fucking I remember this. Everyone knew no one, no one, no one was a tiny piece of the conversation that Santorum had a

chance, a tiny piece, but no one really believed that. No, it was, well, that's because we all know that Santorum is the frothy mixture of fecal matter and lube that occurs after anal sex. Right. That was that that came out of the, the election as well. I just, I think his metaphors are weak. I just think he's not dealing with reality, but why would he? He's fetishizing the idea of a Paul candidacy. Of course. And that's cool. That's just sort of to be expected. That was the thing that a lot of people did. No, no, totally. Yeah. I don't begrudge him for it, but it's, it's interesting to see that there's so much going on in the world like, like legitimately the day before 80 people who were peaceful protesters were arrested at the Occupy Wall

Street in camp meant violently, violently, and the other people, other people were pushed to the ground, roughed up pepper sprayed. And these are white people, many of them really close to Kent State. You would think really close to Kent State. You would think that would trigger Alex. Like you'd think that you seeing these young white women being sprayed with a pepper spray would be like, I'm going to start my show talking about this, but somehow it's not. It's very weird. And to me, that I think is a strong indication that he doesn't care that much. He doesn't care at all. He might care a little, I don't know, but he cares more about Ron Paul. And he's really pissed off that people are saying that he, that he can't win to the point where he can't do his show.

Okay, look, it's so elementary and so simple that Ron Paul is being cheated that I've gotten so angry today that I haven't hardly been able to talk. I rarely stumble about and I've done that someday because it's so ridiculous to watch the entire establishment running scared from Ron Paul. He's, he's presenting this idea that Ron Paul is being screwed. But most of that I really think is because I've gone back and looked at some of the, the primaries from 2012, because it's kind of relevant to like trying to figure out Alex's political trajectory as it related to, especially turning into Trump shit later. And one of the things that I noticed is that like, the only reason that 2008 and 2012 were different for Ron Paul supporters is that in 2008, no one fucking thought

he could win. Even his supporters didn't think he could win. But in 2012, because Mitt Romney didn't participate in the straw polls that came earliest in the primary season. And because there had been the four years of the Tea Party, the galvanizing movement where people were more engaged and that, that we're like nationalizing movement, maybe not necessarily as overtly back then, but you could call it libertarian energy that that was sort of growing this, this farther to the right or weirder to the right than the GOP. That energy had existed for a few years. So when those two things intersected, the Mitt Romney not participating at the beginning of the primary season, and this swelling of the appearance of massive grassroots success. 2012 was a heartbreaking

experience for people who actually bought into it because there was the perception that he could win. At the beginning of the primary season, there was an idea, I mean, based on unfortunate coincidences that didn't depict the reality at all, but there was a perception that he could, he could win. And Alex is presenting this idea, I think that he's being screwed based on the fact that all that momentum that was gained by Mitt Romney not being involved in the campaign sort of dissipated as Mitt Romney got involved right in the campaign. Alex is trying to also on this episode help Ron Paul because he doesn't like to give advice. In this instance, he's going to. Oh, he's not going to give advice. But I think this advice is bad. I don't ever try

to call Ron Paul up and give him advice, but I think I am. And it's this, he needs to get up at the next debate and say, hold on a minute and hold up a sheet and say the average candidate was given 10 minutes in the last debate. I was given four minutes. I've been given the least amount of time in every debate. And the moderators were saying that in the question, say, listen, I know you got an agenda. Give me the floor. And I know Ron Paul can get angry. Here, first of all, I know Ron Paul can get angry. Not great. Here's a great strategy. Seaman titled. Yeah. That again, worked be a whiny dick. That works. It worked for Trump because it was aggressive. I know, I know, I know I'm being I'm being facetious. Yeah. So I've seen it before. Okay, it's always the nice guy that's

being real friendly. That's because they're actually a Tyrannosaurus. Only guy on the congressional baseball team never not ever knock out a home run. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Pause that clip. Right the fuck there. What? Did you research that? Fuck no. Did you research that? That is something I need to know. Has nobody in the Republican Congress ever hit a fucking home run? I don't believe that. That needs to be that needs to be publicly available knowledge. Do you believe that the Republican shirts versus skins baseball games are not the box scores aren't publicly Googleable? Dude, hold on. But think about this for one second. Don't you think a lot of Republican voters would change their vote based upon knowing that they're giant

wussies? Don't you think that a lot of the people that are the most electable as Republicans also have a history as being athletes? Like there's a lot of today. I think so. I think four did. Well, I mean, not not a lot of the old old people necessarily younger people like Jim Jordan. Jim Jordan can hit a dinger. You know, there's no doubt about it. You think so? I want to find out like guarantee it. Jim Jordan, I challenge you even to hit a home run off of my curveball. I bet Romney's got wheels. Romney is a no. But he was a governor. He probably wasn't welcome. Romney is the weakest of teas there's ever been. Romney's got wheels. He could he could hit it inside the park home run. If by the way, they don't play in a park. I guess it's a park, but there's no wall.

If I swear to God, I think this is true. If they had just shown video of Mitt Romney running, he would never have won the GOP nomination. Also, like if people just saw him try and run, they would look at him and he would look like a baby duck. It would be pathetic. I understand also that at this point, like Ron Paul, his time in the house has been there for like since 1975. Yeah, he's like seven. He's been there. He's been there forever. So he's really old at this point, but he's been there forever. Right. Maybe he hit that home run 20 years ago or something like that. Yeah, I don't fucking know. No one's ever hit it. Why do you keep playing that? I don't know. So everyone can hit bloops. Get the fuck out of here. Barrett Sasha Cohen went after him.

Ron Paul, you know, basically slapped him upside the head, pushed him out of the way. Ron Paul is a nice guy because he's aggressive. It's aggressive. People have trained themselves to be friendly, but he needs to turn loose and open up a can of, you know what, you just say, listen, I've been given less time than everybody else up here. I've won most of straw balls. I've come in first, second and third and all the scientific balls, but everybody says I can't win. That's because I'm the only one up here not bought and paid for. I'm not a globalist whore. You want America back. You want the Republic back. Vote for me and stop letting the controlled media tell you who's going to win. And I'm going to go further here and then just basically lay out the facts. Alex

doesn't say what the facts are, but I don't know what Ron Paul's version of the facts would be, but I would be interested to know what those were. I guess like his whole entire speech there about what Ron needs to do is like, just be a fucking dick, which is interesting. It's a Molly pirate. Well, it's, it's very interesting on that level, but then also in terms of like what we know from the 2016 election, right? When he's in support of Rand Paul and he keeps saying, Rand, be aggressive, be an asshole and Rand won't do it. But who winds up being an asshole in the exact way that Alex just asked Ron Paul to. It's interesting to see this like sort of same advice being given to this guy's dad and both generations can't follow through with it,

but then eventually one guy can. So Alex is like real defensive about Ron Paul. He's, I wonder why he's pissed off that everybody doesn't like him as much as they, they should like him, but he's so likable. But here's the thing. He's present, like Alex keeps presenting that he's in the top three, right? And the top three is always the best in everything, which Alex will lay out in this clip and I will, uh, robot on the other end. The top three is the top tier. I actually have to disagree with Ron Paul. This thing about, I'd be in the first or second tier. You're definitely in the top tier. The top tier is the top three candidates, first, second and third place. That's how any game, any race works. The top three are the

main contenders. The top three teams in the NBA, the NFL, the national baseball league, that's how it works. Any of those work in horse racing. Horse racing is the closest he's come because of like place show and doesn't know about conferences and all man. It's never an odd number. It's always, uh, like the final four for like five years. The top three teams were in the West in the NBA and then there was just LeBron and that was it. It was LeBron versus the West. Yeah. There is nothing that depicts reality about the top three in the contenders. Yeah, right? And the examples that he's using, like I could come up with a better one, like the Olympics, gold, silver and bronze. That makes sense. But they aren't contenders. That's the end result.

The three people who came in for a second and third are the people who get rewarded. No, they're the contenders. The person who gets bronze can't still win. Or what? You know, they're in the top three. Well, they won in the sense that they got a medal or whatever, but you can't become the gold medalist by coming in. It's the only time that the top three are important are horse racing and the Olympic games. Like that sort of thing. Yeah. But the top three are only important after it's done. I was going to say, yeah, isn't he, isn't he describing odds? He's just describing betting odds. He's describing odds makers. Maybe. Like because even if you've watched the Olympics, like it there, it's the top three. It's like the three teams to watch

in Olympic ice skating does not mean that they're like, no, it doesn't mean you're the best. Nope. It means people widely agree. They show a lot of promise. You've had games. This doesn't mean anything. No. But I love the idea that he's presenting this like the top three are the contenders in all games. Yeah. If the Alex, if the top three were contenders, the Washington Nationals would have won a World Series by now. They wouldn't be divisions. There wouldn't be divisions. There wouldn't be like the entire, like just the foundations of sport. Yeah. Anyway, what are you going to do? I'm just trying to make Ron feel better. So that's a worthy goal. Sure. Let's be honest. Ron needs help. This next clip, we're checking in on 2011. Yeah. And it's interesting

to see where some of these incongruous things that we talk about in 2009 come in anytime, like something like this pops up. I like to bring and make a point of it. In present day, Alex Jones is not into Iran. He does not like Iran against him. In 2009, he was pro Iran. They were great. So where does he fall in 2011? Bill Clinton met Romney and Rick Perry and tell you they're great. And yes, then they sit there and say, we've got to have war with Iran. When Ahmed Denizide is about to be out of office, when the UN is in there, the reactors cannot produce weapons material. But so what? Dozens of countries have weapons. South Africa has nukes. We're going to attack them. The Russians had 10,000 nukes. We never had a war with them. Iran gets one nuke.

They use them. They're a parking lot. What about somebody staging a nuke attack, though, to start World War Three? To politically get everybody to stand down and go along with the police state takeover? Did you ever think about that? Or is it too much fun to hate Ahmed Denizide? Because he doesn't look like you. Crazy. First of all, Alex is doing some sort of like high ground racism argument there at the end, which is weird. But then also, I mean, that's a very pro Iran sort of sentiment. You don't like those three girls in that pool supply store because they don't look like you. That's wild. That is weird. It's very strange. I don't understand what it is he is thinking he's doing. So let alone what it is he is actually doing.

So up to at least 2011, he has a pretty solidly pro Iran or at least against demonizing Iran standpoint. Yeah, I mean, I that's interesting. That's that's pretty interesting that it extended this far. It sounds like he's against American colonialism, which okay, I guess. Yeah. I mean, if you're if you're advocating for anybody wars, but that that goes along with. But no, I mean, not just that round. No, not just that. But like the idea of advocating for a country to get a nuke is essentially saying, if you want to have a conversation with the United States, you better protect your neck. Like that's what he's saying. He's like, yeah, Iran should have a bomb. Otherwise, they're not going to be able to talk to us at all. I don't think that's what he's saying. He's

dismissing the very idea that the capabilities that they have will ever produce that or have any potential to produce that. Okay, so that's why he put in the little nod to the UN saying that you can't weaponize this material. Yeah. But that does it. Okay, I mean, yeah, I get that. They aren't a threat in the way that people who make them a threat like Bill Clinton Mitt Romney. Yeah, they are and Rick Perry. Yeah, they aren't that they they they are they don't they're not on that path. Right, which is something that Alex will definitely disagree with within a few years from this point. For sure. I'm not sure why but it's I think it's probably because a black man made a deal. I don't know because I mean, Obama's president in 2011. Yeah, but he hasn't made the

he hasn't made the deal yet. Once he makes the deal, everybody everybody goes apeshit by principle. He should be fine with that deal. Because if he before not just fine with it, but like supporting yeah, because before if before the deal, he's like, yeah, they aren't the threat. Yeah, we should all keep it that way. No, Obama makes a deal that will help keep it that way. That black man did a thing. It's hard not to feel that way. I don't know. I don't know. Pretty much explains the last really say that because we're just taking a snapshot of 2011. We don't know where it builds to right or how it does. It's just going to be such a bummer if it's team sports. Yeah, I know. It's always about like with Alex, that's one of the fun things about it is we get a

random ass to poly Somali pirate day. We're not just playing team sports. You hope you hope that whatever this is because it seems like it's big. Yeah, hope that it comes from some principled place. Yeah. And there actually is like a tree breaking as opposed to a toothpick. Yeah, you hope that there's some like moment where it's like, uh, no, this is too much. Yeah, I can't imagine what that is. No, hope that there's at least that presentation. But I mean, who knows? We know that we shouldn't give Alex much credit. I think we've learned that over the years. Zero credit. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex gets really defensive about how he knows a lot of stuff. I'm supposed to just sit here and be calm and talk about, uh, you know, how bad Obama is all day instead of how bad the entire

system is. I want it to stop. I'm not a chump. I'm not a sucker. I'm not a schmuck. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a mark. I'm not here to be a slave. I'm not here to be an idiot. I know what's going on because it's in my face and I don't like it. All right. I said I'm going to your calls. Cool. Uh, man, I have never heard a guy more loudly protest all of the things that he is and has proven himself to be before. The only thing that was like a laundry list of the things that he is in the present day. The only thing more glaring I've ever heard is I know how to read. Like, all right. Yeah, exactly. You don't. So all that stuff is just we can stop there. That's just insecurities. He's just screaming about his insecurities. Like, I'm not dumb. I'm not getting

fooled. You are. You are. You are dumb. You're willingly fooling yourself with these stupid fucking narratives. So Jordan, our friend, uh, sent us on this time travel adventure to find out about Occupy Wall Street because apparently he hates us and it turns out Alex. Thanks, Joshua. Look, Joshua was great. Joshua is a great guy. I'm sorry about that. 17 clips up to this point, not talking about Occupy Wall Street. Wait, we're actually going to talk about Occupy Wall Street. Finally, Alex gets to Occupy Wall Street. And let's see what his angle is. See who his expert on the streets is for Occupy Wall Street. Luke Radowski on founder. We are changing. He's reported for some large national news outlets like RT and others. He's on RT right

now. He's been in and out of the week long demonstrations. Uh, they're in New York. They're a bunch of arrests. Some say 80, some say a hundred, some say 20. I don't know. I've got a bunch of articles about it. I know you've been there off and on. Peaceful people trying to demonstrate. Don't worry about that. And is it allowed just like China, but all that's okay because we're America. And so you don't protest Wall Street and the media is calling him communist. And certainly some of them are communist, but nobody's a bigger communist than Wall Street. But there are tens of trillions of bailout money stealing our cash and Wall Street funding socialism to steal our money. So yeah, there's some dumb commies on the ground protesting their

bosses. Yes. But I'm told, Luke, most of these people are in the fetters that really know what's going on. Luke Radowski, tell us what's happening. Most of these people are caring, loving Americans who want the system to end screwing everybody over. Sadly, when all the action was going on yesterday, I was actually across on the other side of town, but I ran to Union Square where all the arrests were happening. So Luke Radowski wasn't even there. He was on the other side of New York. There's only one place to be. We got a man on the ground. He wasn't there. We're covering Occupy Wall Street. You should be where the Occupy Wall Street is. Where was he? He was on the other side of town. He was getting a cronaut. I don't know what the time frame is. I don't remember

what the cronaut happened. Why? I don't fucking know, man. He was just over there getting a bisque. He was having a soup. I don't know. He was just lollygagging. He was, he's not a serious person. He's not. Luke Radowski is not a serious person. He was hanging out in New York. Oh my God. What is this? The Occupy Wall Street thing is blowing up. So he ran across town and tried to get some after the fact interviews. He wasn't actually engaged with the people who were there. It's really getting arrested. Of course not. Because Luke Radowski is not interested in revolution either. Neither is Alex. None of these people are. Now, the important thing I think here is that Alex is wrong. Yes. The way he's presenting this. He's spent an hour and 40 minutes

or so of his show not talking about any of this. What? And then he gets to Luke Radowski's interview and he says, I hear a bunch of these people are at the end of the Fedders, which is the end of the Federal Reserve. Yes. I, I, that's not accurate. That wasn't a big piece of Occupy Wall Street. No, I remember Occupy Wall Street. They were very insistent that there were only three members of Congress who voted for the Fed. And they're, they're amazing. There was the, their rallying cry was the Fed was voted in by three people. Ask my friend Wayne. There might be some people and maybe even like a contingent at some point that were federal reserve suspicious. There probably was at some point, but it wasn't a central tenant of the

OWS movement. It really wasn't even from the jump. No, it wasn't a destroy the Fed thing. Absolutely not. The Tea Party and Alex Jones and Ron Paul, those people were end of the Fed type people. So Alex is imagining that these people who are protesting against Wall Street, who are just dumb commies, who don't realize they're protesting their bosses. He's minimizing the entire like, right. You met three people were making, right? Maybe a lot of them are exactly like what I am. Huh? Isn't that interesting? But you remember that? Remember that long list on the other hand made at the beginning of this? It's, it was, it was intentional. Like Alex is in the exact same zigzag pattern that the intro of this episode is. Like the episode beginning was like

he is, I don't think he knows where to land. I think that he, he's mad that the police are oppressing these people. Yeah. He likes that they're making fun of the banks. He also likes that the specific people who are being oppressed are being oppressed though. There is definitely that there being actually oppressed as opposed to imaginary oppressed being pepper sprayed and dragged by nets. He's, he's a man without a country in this particular. He's, he's our Kurt Vonnegut on the scene. People out there at Occupy Wall Street might as well be Somali pirates. Cause you can't help but admire them. It is, it is interesting specifically because I remember the way your mainstream right wing outlets covered this at the time, which was pure like these commies

want to, so it seemed that way. Yeah. So the, the tea party arose and they were like, Oh, these people are fighting for economic freedom. They're definitely not reacting because there's a black guy who's president. And then these people who are fighting for an economic freedom, they were like, they're just protesting because they want to overthrow the government. Like, yeah, we, we got it. I do guess that I appreciate Alex for waffling. I guess that's a like, that's like a net zero in his win-loss column. I think it's a more sinister position, honestly. Inactivity is activity, if you will. Well, it's not inactivity. He's not willing to like really take a stand. Like he's against the idea that these protesters got arrested,

but he's also still denigrating them. Right. And he's also clearly not on board with what Occupy Wall Street stands for at this point, which is not getting fucked over. And he's pretending that he understands better what they want than they even do. No, they want to not get fucked over. Little child, little communist stooge. Alex, Alex, we would prefer to not be fucked over. I understand that you're mad at your boss, communist stooge, but I know better. I know, but look, I understand you don't think you don't think he's your boss, but he is not our boss. Look, he's paying you Soros. I'm a courier. This whole time he's talking about the Occupy Wall Street stuff doesn't. Oh, he just not brought up Soros once. Doesn't bring it up at all. That's

odd. Weird. So I think that I have an angle on this, at least in terms of like September 25th, 2011. I don't think that Alex gives a shit about much of this. He sees potential there. And I think in this next clip, you'll be able to see what that potential is. Okay. So this is going to happen right now. All info warriors in the New York area. Where do they converge again? Look, Liberty Plaza by City Hall, right by right between Wall Street. We're all there. What do you think you're going to stand at the Liberty Plaza? What do you think? This is America. Let's beat the people up at the Liberty Plaza. That's just his Bernie impression, but he's doing it as a New York cop who's mad at the people who are gathering. He's telling all the

info warriors in New York to go to the Occupy Wall. Was Bernie working as a cop at that time? Bernie was a detective. In 2011, was Bernie a grizzled detective? Was he perhaps just a week away from getting his pension? Was he perhaps too old for this shit? He was just about to retire. He might have been. But he had to train a young buck. Yeah. We've seen this movie. What Alex is presenting here, I think is a perfect synthesis of his early Occupy Wall Street position. I don't know entirely, but I'm going to guess that he hasn't talked much about it before this because he doesn't seem to care much. Doesn't seem to care much the day after a ton of people get arrested and oppressed, peaceful protesters getting jammed up,

protesting against Wall Street, which seems like something he'd be so into. He spent most of his show talking about bullshit, like dissecting the who, like all this stuff. He spent that much time doing that shit. He spends four minutes talking about Occupy Wall Street at all the day after probably one of the most like if you really look at the like, of course, when the police came in and took all the tents out and stuff like that. Like that was much more of a like encroachment. Right. But like this was one of the biggest early warning shots of like this is getting serious. Alex doesn't give a shit. He doesn't. I don't think he knew before this, but I bet he will. I bet he will. Because you think he'll give a shit later? Because based on that clip, that last

clip, what I heard from him is all you info warriors go down there because I think he thinks they can co-op them. I honestly think that that is his position in the same way with the Tea Party in 2009 that we've seen when he talked to Stuart Rhodes about like this Tea Party is a place where we can find people and then we can educate them about the Federal Reserve and all this. Yeah. I think he views the Occupy Wall Street movement as like, Hey, look, maybe some of them self identify as commies because they're fucking dumb and they don't know who their boss is, but we can red pill those bitches down there and we can figure this out. And then before you know it, Ron Paul Revolution 2.0. I honestly think that that's probably the position he's coming from. I don't, I don't think

that's I don't think that's wrong. Info warriors all go down to this park. Let's let's flood this. Let's tell the truth. We got Luke Rudowsky across town when Hax action happens, but he's somewhere. He's around. I don't know. I don't know. I find this to be a very dishonest info warriors who live in New York. Luke Rudowsky is around. Start looking trying to do a better job than him. You know how easy it is to find a human being in New York. They're, oh, they could be anywhere. There's a, it's a small space. I find this to be like on a journalistic level, uh, negligent. And then on a narrative level, like from what I would expect from Alex, just terrible. Like and he's still 2011. I understand that. But in 2011, he was more on his brand than ever. And

his brand was hating the banks. That's true. This should be that like, this should be his opus. No matter what, like positive or negative in or out, whatever the case is, he should have a rock solid position a week into this movement. Like the people like occupying Zuccotti Park, like he shouldn't have ambivalence about it. He should either like, I understand day one, not knowing what you think, but a week in, they could start on the 17th. We're talking about the 25th. He has a week from the day before this show for everything to play out and get his bearings, figure out what he thinks about it. He doesn't think anything about it, except, huh, maybe we can twist them into hating the Federal Reserve.

The problem is that that seems like a bit of a rebuttal to so many arguments we've had where when we were talking about, oh, he's changed his principles in the present day as compared to where they were in the past. Well, in 2011, if he were following his stated principles, he would be all for Occupy Wall Street. Because it's not like they... Not really, because they're very left and anti, they want to tear down a lot of it, and regulate markets and stuff like that, much like William Black. Occupy Wall Street put out a bunch of stated policy positions, which are against Alex's interest. No, no, no, I know what you're saying. And they did. They did do that. But the Occupy Wall Street

as a movement was not centered around like, we're going to send these policy proposals to B. In the same way that the Tea Party wasn't a movement that was built around, we're sending policy proposals to B. It is something that ideologically, the idea of a group of people non-violently protesting... Leaderless resistance. Exactly. Except in this version, it's not Nazis. His principles didn't mean shit in 2011, and they don't mean shit in 2016, and they don't mean shit now, and they don't mean shit in 2009. No. But that's not news. This, to me, to me, this is nice to know is that like, there wasn't any shift on principles ever. No. The principles have always been, I want Nazis in the White House.

And to double down on this, I honestly believe, like from everything I can tell, Alex eventually ends up liking Occupy Wall Street. That motherfucker. Because I think that he thinks he can co-opt it the same way he did the Tea Party. And so, I think it'll be interesting. I want to do a full investigation of this. I really do. Because I want to understand it better. I want to understand the path. I don't want to know, hey, on the 25th, he was dismissive of it, but also thought he could co-opt it. And then mid-October, he's a fan of it. I don't want to know those two data points.

I want to understand the progression through them. And I can't do service to that until we can do service to that. And so, I think that our next investigation will 100% be walking through this period of time. Because it's not that long. Occupy Wall Street didn't go on that long. It was only a couple of months. No, it really was. But I think that you'll see Alex really, really change his positions. And I think that would be a very interesting and robust piece of how little he cares about his principles. I agree. When we do that investigation, let's all agree to come back and listen to this episode where I say my prediction is Alex is dismissive of Occupy Wall

Street, then says they have some good points, then says they're good, and then very quickly says they're evil. That is my progression. And then tries to present himself as the real version of it. Exactly. They've been co-opted. Yes. Yeah. I would bet a lot of money on that progression. I think he probably kind of does that a lot, which actually should maybe make us suspicious that like in the present day. Oh, maybe he's going to turn on Trump and then be like, I was the real Trump the whole time. I'm the real Trump. Maybe he is Trump. He's not going to pull that kind of prestige. What if he pulls his mask off? No, no, no, no, this is missing impossible. Are you sure this is an admission? He will. He will be like,

look, we didn't leave the party. Yeah. That sort of thing. He could he could pull something like that in the future. It turns out we were the Trump and Trump wasn't Trump, but we were Trump. We made Trump, which he also says all the time. Yeah, of course. I don't know. He's got a lot of options and yet at the same time he has nowhere to go. He's a fascinating human being. Yeah, I know. So I think, I mean, Alex is done talking about Occupy Wall Street. I don't think he has a real position on it in any meaningful way. I mean, it's just a weird stasis he's in. You know, he's for the idea of hating the banks. He's against what they stand for. He hates the idea that the people are being oppressed by the police, but also doesn't want to defend these

dumb commies. He's in a real difficult position, which I'm interested to see how it evolves because it has to evolve. I mean, it can't not from this point forward, but we have one, one last clip and it's just sort of a icing on the cake. Most of this episode really was about Ron Paul. And about how much Alex wants Ron Paul to be elected president. How often is it that at the end of our episodes, you go, most of this episode was the thing that we talked about very tertiary early. Not often. So most of this episode was actually about Somali pirates or the who. Yeah, the who. So Alex gets a call at the end of the show and it's a call who's trying to explain to him like Ron Paul can't fix everything. Are you fucking delusional? And then

Alex sets him straight in a way that kind of invalidates a lot of the things he thinks about Donald Trump in present day. You and I and most of your listeners know that our vote doesn't count. I've met Ron Paul. He's a nice guy, but does he have a standing army, a fort, air defense artillery to keep him working if he was to be a president? Okay, he'll be injecting ideas, ideas are bullet proof. And so by him running, he we win exposing the whole system. We just have an attitude one guy's got to fix it all is never going to happen. Ron Paul by running is illustrating all their dirty tricks. If you have this position that one guy can fix it all, you're an idiot. That's what he's saying. And now in the present day, Donald Trump is the fucking truth. This one guy,

because he's been a sleeper Patriot for all his life sleeper Patriot, by the way, he's run for president before 2011, raised by a Nazi. Well, certainly. Who knows? This is all just stupid. Anyway, I don't know, Joshua, I appreciate you sending us on this time travel adventure. I don't think that we found really a firm position about Alex Jones and Occupy Wall Street. But I think we found enough that we will certainly tease this thread and find out more in the future. Indeed. It's so weird when we do the time travel episodes, because unlike with 2009 or with 2015, we don't have like a fucking six week exploration into why it is that he's thinking this shit right now. Time travel episodes are so bananas crazy, because we're like, does this mean something?

Does it? I don't know. It doesn't. I don't know. I accept. I probably miss some context clues, but like a lot of us listen to every episode, but between January 1st, 2011 and December 31st, 2011. Certainly not. But then who the fuck knows what he's talking about ever. I knew that he was mostly just talking about Ron Paul's failed campaign. Yeah, that's true. So fair enough. We'll give you that. I picked up on those clues, but there might have been some other things that I didn't pick up on. And, you know, we just figured out Ron's clues. We just figured out Ron's clues. We'll sweep that up when we get back to a more exhaustive examination of the Occupy Wall Street which we almost certainly will within the next six to 12 years. Yes, it will be next after 2009.

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a guy. I heard this about this guy. Who he probably totally definitely allegedly killed a guy from whom himself. He said it himself. That guy is Alex Jones. Stop. Andy and chances you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.