Knowledge Fight - #272: December 20, 2012

Episode Date: March 6, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan jump back into their investigation of Alex Jones' behavior after the Sandy Hook mass shooting. The gents find a man in a bit of a conspiracy holding pattern, but some signs of things to come pop up. 

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Got any hot sauce updates for us? It's been a while since we've had hot sauce updates. Yeah. Well, I've said this privately in conversation with people. I believe that I've found my hot sauce pepper. Oh, really? I think. Oh, shit. I could be wrong about this. We got some

big news on the hot sauce front. Well, I got a selection of hot sauces from the Tears of Joy shop in Austin. Right. I visited it at the beginning of February. Right, right, right. And one of the, one of them is sitting right there. You can see the Hydra. The Hydra? That has the, a seven pot Primo pepper. Right. Hail Hydra, of course. It's good, but it's a little bit, it's a little bit much. Okay. It's a little aggressive. That, well, that's also the Hydra and the Marvel universe. That's not it for me. I believe the other sauce, one of the other sauces I bought was a Scorpion pepper Trinidad Scorpion sauce. And it was great. Just the right level of heat, a little bit scary at times. Yeah. The heat, but really easy, not easy, but enjoyable to ride

out. Okay. It was really good. Okay. There's a fruitiness to it. So I believe once I move into a new apartment and start up my pepper garden, one of the first things I'm going to mess around with is the scorpion couple different strains of scorpion peppers. That sounds nice. Yeah. So there's an update for you. That is, that's great. Yeah. I'm excited about it. I like the update. Yep. They never name peppers like very gentle animals, do they? It's always got to be something aggressive and poisonous. I think generally venomous. Well, I mean, it is a poison, you know, like, isn't it? Is it? Yeah, I don't think it is. It's a capsaicin is like a self defense mechanism for the fruits of these plants. So if animals don't eat it, they know not to because

it hurts them. Right. We're the only animal dumb enough to be like, just see how cool we can be. Because it tastes good. You feel flush. You feel alive. Absolutely. I stopped doing LSD to focus on peppers. I don't know if there are any that are named after cuddly animals. I can't speak to that. But I was looking through a list of peppers, just sort of like an anticipation of like, what? What kind of ballpark? What kind of ballpark? Where should I start? Let me get a couple of goals. And I was just scrolling through this giant list. There was a pepper that just straight up looks like a dick. Okay. It is crazy. And it's called like a Peter pepper. Well, that's that's a limit on the nose. I wouldn't have believed that existed if like it wasn't like,

nope, this is real here. Pictures of it. It is a strain of pepper. Yeah. Wow. How did that happen? I would like a pepper that is multicolored and shaped like a horn and you could call it my little pepper. That would be great. Okay, I'll work on that. I'll cross Paul. Do that. Do that. Get that going. If you're going to start growing peppers, you better start growing novelty peppers. That might be a little bit outside of my expertise and my green thumb abilities, but we'll try. I do not know a lot about growing peppers, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones and that's what the show is about. And I don't know anything about either. And you shall learn. I shall. Tell you why I know. So Jordan, today we are going back to the past. We're going back to 2012

to continue our looking into what Alex did, did in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and how his reporting has taken shape and has been molding. But before we get to that, I have to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. Oh, shit. First of all, Karen, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Karen. Thanks, Karen. Next, Jimbo. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Jimbo. Thank you, Jimbo. Like a good Jimbo. Oh, yeah. Everybody likes a good Jimbo. Oh, yeah. Next, Arjun. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Arjun. Arjun. Arjun. AR, J-U-N. Arjun. I could be. I like to pronounce it that way. I may be wrong and I accept that in advance.

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that there's a little bit of a delay, but we appreciate your patience. Yes, we do. So today, we're going over December 20th, 2012. Yeah, and a little bit of the 21st. Right. The reason we're only worlds over. Well, yeah, the end the world ended. The reason that we're only doing a little bit of the 21st is because we've already done that episode, right? Find it on our feed somewhere. It's back there. It's somewhere we did that episode. And it's mostly Alex talking to David Ike about how the world isn't ending, but there are reptilian overlords. And it's very convoluted. Well, yeah, of course. But most of Alex's discussion was that day about the Mayan apocalypse stuff. So he doesn't talk too much about Sandy Hook. But there were a couple clips that were from

that episode that I've pulled just as a reminder. So we don't skip entirely over the 21st. He did say that the Mayans were crisis actors who predicted the end of the world. Or maybe they were trying to change the timeline. Oh, that's true. We did learn that. Yeah, we learned that from Pierre Sabac. Ah, Pierre. Traymall. Save Ray. So in this first clip, we find where Alex's editorial position is here on the beginning of December 20th. In this system, being a winner, according to the establishment, is deceiving people, playing you like you're dumb. And only when you're unconscious, only when you don't question, only when you're simple minded on purpose, only when you're willfully ignorant can they get away with this on you.

Just like Connecticut having the fourth strongest gun laws, he tried to buy guns not once, not twice, not three times. We now learn five times the month before he supposedly did it, even if you believe the official fable narrative Easter Bunny story. So how many times Peter denied Jesus? I'm not sure exactly. I have to brush up on my theology. Gotcha. But so we have Alex coming out very clearly early on that the official story is a Easter Bunny story. It's a fable. Yeah. So you know, you don't like to hear this the day after, because on the 19th, where we last left off the investigation, he was starting to suggest that the father who was interviewed was faking his grief and that people needed to investigate. Yeah, exactly. So for him to jump in here on the 20th

and be like, this story is a fable and Easter Bunny tale, it's not good. No, I'm not excited about that. But he does spend most of the time at the beginning of the show just talking about the establishment and the man and the system. You got to watch out for globalists. They're bad. They're everywhere. But it's all in sort of the ways you kind of expect, you know, in the Alex Jonesy ways. Yeah. And he's gone hard as he has been already to just gun defense, gun defense. So and in our ongoing segments, ways that Alex portended his own descent into stupidity, he did say that the way that you win is by deceiving. And the only way that they can do that is if you are willfully willfully ignorant. So it does kind of suggest that we're talking about him

now. So he starts the show on that sort of note. And he gets he gets pretty standard Alex Jonesy. And then he starts taking calls pretty early, which I'm not sure why he did that. It's kind of uncommon for him to actually want to and fulfill his promise to get to calls. Yeah. But he takes some calls. And in this first clip, this caller is talking about how back in the day police used to act differently. And then Alex makes a declaration. Carrethases beat black people up. Well, wait, no, that's not different. Well, it's actually interesting because that kind of relates to Alex's, you'll see. Okay.

When I would be walking down the street in my own neighborhood, I would often be stopped as a young man and had my pockets emptied and ID demanded of me and things like this randomly. Now this kind of thing has evolved now to serious searches, actually seizing people and things like that. No, no, no, they've had something like a half a million searches a year now in New York City, where they just his street searches, where they're now pulling pants off women. They're now I mean, this is the new deal where you line up, I'm shoving my hand up you. And this is the new freedom effect, the new handshake in America will probably become just bending over. I mean, I'm not kidding. Go ahead.

So this caller is describing something from his childhood and he doesn't sound like a young man. And then Alex is pretending that he now things are getting real bad in New York City. And he's trying to do that to suggest that the globalists are trying to bring in martial law here. So this is bullshit, because Alex is presenting police behavior in New York as being indicative of the coming martial law in police state. But as he does so frequently, what he's doing is presenting a warped version of reality and completely erasing all context from the conversation. In this case, what Alex is talking about is the stop and frisk policy that the NYPD operated under to a particularly troubling extent from the early 2000s to about 2013. The policy was an

outgrowth of the broken windows policing ideology that held the areas where petty crimes were higher served as petri dishes, in which larger, more serious crimes would naturally spring forth. Following that logic, the police prioritized stopping petty crimes like public urination, public transit, fair evasion and the like, thinking that doing so would create an environment where more serious crime wouldn't take hold. How did that go? Didn't go great. That's the public facing part of the argument. In reality, it was just a way to shake down and terrorize minorities. In 2010, a police officer named Adrian Schoolcraft leaked secretly recorded tapes of police roll call meetings in the 81st district of the Bedford Stuyvesant area that clearly show

the commanding officers explicitly telling their officers that they were going to be in trouble if they didn't reach their quotas of tickets and reports filed. Schoolcraft was detained and forcefully held at a mental hospital for six days in retaliation for leaking the tapes, ultimately being forced to pay $7,000 for his own imprisonment. At the practices peak in 2011, 685,724 people were stopped and frisked in New York. Of these people, 88% were completely innocent of any crime, a number that is super consistent with yearly data analyzed by the New York Civil Liberties Union. In the years between 2002 and 2013, when the program was in full effect, the ratio of innocent people being stopped was never lower than 80%. Interestingly, in all

those years you want to look at them, at any of them, the percentage of people being stopped and frisked who happened to be white was never higher than 12%, which is strange considering that New York City is approximately 44% white demographically. Seems strange. Very. Seems out of control, really? In 2007, 85% of the people stopped were black or Latino. In 2008, 85%, in 2009, 87% with the same percentage in 2011 and 2012. When Alex talks about how the police shake people down in New York and doesn't bring this into the conversation, he's lying by omission and he's doing so to express a white supremacist position. He's totally right that the police were way out of line and how they treated civilians in New York, but to pretend that the an essential piece of the

story wasn't how the policy of stop and frisk was specifically used as a weapon against minority communities is the definition of being right for the wrong reasons, which makes him wrong. Yeah, but it still boils down to his and I'm sure his callers same complaint, which is the underlying complaint is what they're going to treat me like a black. Like that's really what they're bitching about, essentially, right? Well, I thought about that. I really did because I thought about how that could fit into and make sense of Alex saying this. Yeah, but if he did, he would say those things. He would talk about how they're targeting minority communities as they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair because that would help right make that right argument. He just wants

that piece of it completely left out because it opens a door. His his sort of arguments can't handle. Yeah, which is the right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole the whole point is to terrorize and destroy black communities. Yeah. And hopefully catch people on petty warrants and stuff like that in order to get money for the department. Right. And your quote is being filled and stuff like that. It's almost like they turned the police force into some sort of shakedown. That's crazy. In order to make money, in order to make money, they destroyed the reputation of policing in America almost entirely. Yeah, good work, Alex's argument. Like I said, I can't stress enough. He's right about the like the sort of the picture of police being out of line. Yeah, but he's

wrong about it being the globalists. Not not that it's an important distinction that needs to come up every now and again on this show that just because he's spiritually right about something, he could be entirely wrong at the same time. Right. So he's taken these callers. And at this point, he gets a call who wants to talk about Sandy Hook. And this guy has an interesting piece of the story that he wants to report. And Alex allows him to do so, which isn't good. The Sandy the supposed Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza was not a two handguns, not a bushmaster assault rifle. Well, no, that's what they first said they arrested a bunch of different people and those stories don't check out. And then now there's a lot of other

suspicious stuff going on. And I said on record, the Dark Knight was programming. Now we've learned they mailed out Dark Knight t-shirts to random people in New York and Connecticut. There's an article up at infoworks.com. No, that make that prove firm section of Gotham renamed Sandy Hook in latest Dark Knight release. And then they sent out maps as part of a promotion to media and others saying target Sandy Hook. They sent out Bane command orders to Bane's army to attack Sandy Hook. And by the way, Adon Salazar stayed up all yesterday, all last night, his bloodshot eyes to do the research on this. And the Gothamist newspaper in New York's picked it up. People are freaking out over this. It sounds like he just came to work high. Orders from Bane,

kids and people, teenagers, saying attack Sandy Hook. What do you think of that? Absolutely, Alex. It's it's all right out there in the opening of enough publicity and enough of it can be given out to the public. Maybe it can turn things for a while. This thing has sigh operating all over it. I said Batman is the trigger for mass shootings on record dozens of times. Cool. That is super easily explained. Is that a win? We've talked about this before. And I apologize. I don't have the guy's specific name or his job. But one of the people who worked in like set design and graphic work on the dark night is from Connecticut. Yeah, he's from Newtown, Connecticut. Right. Right. The idea of him putting the name of his city on a map

isn't it was just more fun. Yeah, as I as I remember from the last time I looked into that aspect of this, right, right. That was why that happened. It's very, very easy to and all the other stuff is misreporting the idea that they sent out Bane sent out orders to attack Sandy Hook. He did though. He did say that they need to take control of their city. Well, look, that's the least important thing I think I want to talk about here. Wait, isn't that dark night returns? Dark night rises. Dark night rises. Apologies. I'm getting my Tim Burton's all, you know, in a tizzy. Right. It's fun. That's not Tim Burton. Christopher Nolan. No, no, no. Batman returns as Tim Burton. Yes. Yeah. See what I'm saying? Exactly. It's all getting mixed up. I think I

heard this Spider-Man. Okay. I think that that Batman stuff is really just it's very thin. It's very stupid. And it's just indicative of how now he's trying to bring in as much of the conspiracy stuff that he hears right into the narrative as he can. And that's just sort of an intent to muddy the water and make things seem more suspicious than they are with hearsay and bullshit. Do you know what's even crazier? They didn't even send out physical maps like we know them, you know, like directions. They actually sent out the single from the yeah, yeah, yes maps. Do you know when that came out when 9 11? Oh, no, no, exactly. So it's all together. It's right. And I used to play that on rock bands. So you did it. Yep. So the more important thing I want to talk about is

that this caller is repeating a piece of incomplete information that he picked up somewhere. And Alex is doubling down on it to create disbelief in his listeners about what happened at Sandy Hook. And I'm not talking about the Batman stuff. They're talking about they found him with two handguns. Adam Lanza had two handguns. They didn't even have a Bushmaster rifle, like they say. Well, then he's fine. If you read the police report on the shooting, it's very clear. Quote, on the shooter's person was a loaded semi automatic six hour P two, two, six, nine millimeter pistol, an additional ammunition located near the shooter was a partially loaded Glock 20 10 millimeter semi automatic pistol that appeared to be jammed. So that explains the two handguns

that the caller is talking about. However, the next line explains that quote, a Bushmaster master model XM 15 E two six rifle was located some distance away from the shooter. The rifle's shoulder strap was attached to the front, but disconnected to the butt of the rifle. The disconnected rear portion was the result of a failed nut attachment. It's unknown if the nut failed when the rifle was being used, or as the result of being dropped or thrown to the floor. So Adam Lanza had clearly been using that weapon as evidenced by all sorts of other forensic evidence, but it appears that he'd thrown it to the side mid shooting, possibly because the strap broke. It's unclear exactly why there's also people who suggested that it had jammed. It's not entirely

clear because they were able to the people who were investigating were able to fire the gun after the fact. Yeah, it doesn't appear that it was critically jammed, right? But for one reason or another, he ended up throwing that aside and favoring handguns after that point. It could just be a crazy thing in the moment of like, I'm sick of all of this mass killing. I want to see the why anything is possible. It could have been fucking, or it could be as simple as the strap broke and simplicity and comfort or whatever. There's a possible explanations for why that gun was found a little further away from him than the two handguns. But this guy is pretending that there wasn't a push master rifle there at all. Right. Right. That's what he's saying.

Incredibly irresponsible and inappropriate. So he lands also had a ton of ammo on him, on his person, including one shotgun shell, even though he didn't have a shotgun with him. There were other shotgun shells found around the scene, which police theorized he had dropped. But it still raises the question, why the ammo was there if he didn't have a shotgun? If you just read a little bit further in the police report, quote, recovered from the car was an its match Sega 12 12 gauge shotgun with two magazines containing a total of 24 rounds of ammunition. That would make sense then why he had shotgun ammunition. He just left the shot in the car. He just left in the shotgun in the car, which I don't know. Maybe it's just he couldn't

carry it. I don't know. I don't pretend to understand or maybe he thought he would get away. And that was there for when he gets back to the car. Yeah, these things are possible. Right. We'll never know exactly the answer. No, because he's dead. Yeah. So he used a completely different rifle to kill his mother. But that gun was found left at the scene of that crime and was recovered by police. He had a lot of guns. And there were even more guns found in her house that she she loved. She had a lot of guns. But isn't that too many guns? Mm hmm. Isn't that too many guns? I'm not comfortable making a hard determination on what is too many. I'm not the one who's gonna say my feeling tells me it's a lot. It's a lot of guns. It's a lot. It's a lot of guns. Yeah. So

that idea that this caller is suggesting to Alex is irresponsible, inaccurate, and very easily explained. And Alex is allowing it to be a part of what's being presented as this story. As he said at the beginning of the episode, this is a fairy tale. Yeah. They say you had a bushmaster. He just had two handguns on him. Right. That's sort of nonsense. It allows for the muddying of the waters. It's bullshit. It's how Alex builds these narratives. And we're seeing it happen in real time. Some of this is the caller's influence, perhaps. Well, but Alex would be ready to take this from anybody. Yeah. Yeah. And it's still on him. He accepts, you know. There is a certain part of me because Alex takes or has difficulty taking a lot of calls.

There's a part of me that wonders if there could be some sort of like where are they now VH1 special on people who call into Alex Jones? Like is this guy still denying Sandy Hook? Like I want to know more about this idiot and what it is he's doing with his life. Yeah, I bet he is. Yeah, I don't know if I need that's fair. That's fair. Yeah. I bet that there's not a like a great rehabilitation percentage of people who who buy into Alex's narratives. I believe that a lot of people probably can figure things out and write the ship, but I bet it's not. I bet it's not easy. If I was going to take a guess, I would say it's like a large percentage. It's like a churn, you know, like a certain percentage leave

every year or whatever. And they're just like, I'm done with this shit. A certain percentage go even further and become white nationalist militia people. And then everybody else just kind of keeps staying in the fluctuating middle and dryer cycle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's possible. I don't know. I don't know if there will be a good study on that, but I'll I'll accept whatever you're I'll accept your my my rampant dumb speculation with no information. What's a wall for sure. I'm listening to a call. That sounds great. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex gets back to the Mayan apocalypse and how it's not real, but everyone thinks it is or something because of the globalist. Not entirely sure what his angle on this is, but it's wild.

Some schools in the US are closed today because of end of the world fears. That doesn't sound right. That's not entirely true. It was a school district in Michigan that they were about to go on winter break. They only had like a week left of classes and they just canceled classes because there were fears of school shooting because there were rumors being spread that there was going to be one. And then in addition to the Mayan apocalypse stuff, there's like we these kids are too distracted. We're just going on break early. Yeah. It wasn't because like we're afraid to the end of the world is going to happen. No, it's because we're afraid that there's going to be a mass shooting. There were threats and everybody is wild. Not entirely. That's a

little bit unfair because the article that I read about it, they weren't afraid that there's going to be a school shooting because they, they had looked into these rumors and stuff like that and found that nothing was substantiated. But the reason that they ended up closing the schools, because we're being ineffective in any teaching. The kids are too distracted and preoccupied with these ideas that, you know, just because you find that a rumor is unsubstantiated, it doesn't mean that the kids aren't going to emotionally feel the fear and the anxiety and no, it spreads like wildfire. Yeah. So the school district was like, you guys are going on holiday break anyway. Enjoy. Have another week. We'll get back to

classes on the other back in the, we'll see you in 2013. Right. Right. Right. Right. Which I don't think is the same as closing over end of the world fears. Terry, what's a three plus three? We're going to start doing that. I don't want to die. Okay, cool. We're going to go on break a little bit. We're going to, yeah, no, we're not going to do this. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex gets really defensive about everybody thinking that he thinks that the end of the world is coming tomorrow. Folks, it is not the end of the world and I've tried to get that out a million times and I knew it would happen this morning. Let's finish talk radio locally. Oh, Alex Jones, the world's ending tomorrow. I wonder what he's going to do. I'm just like, man,

that is really a jealous way to act knowing that I've hammered the fact for years that 2012 is a fraud. I've been asked thousands of times by people off air and on air what 2012 is and I've said on air hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times literally everyone knows my position forever. I think a lot of people don't know your position. I think that's the issue. I don't know how anyone's supposed to know what you've told people off air except the people you were talking to. And yes, he has been saying pretty consistently around this time that it's bullshit. Right. But at the same time, we know what he did about Y2K. Yeah, that's true. It's totally reasonable for someone to be like, I know what you did years back last summer.

I wonder if your behaviors changed. Right. Right. Right. You seem like the kind of guy who would be in on you kind of blow with the wind. Yeah. This is one time where I do kind of want the world retroactively retroactively to have ended in 2012 just to spite him just for him to be wrong. The one time he's like, it's not a conspiracy. Yeah, the one time he's like, this is nonsense. I'm not going to buy into these bullshit conspiracy theories. And then we still get to watch him burn in flames. That'd be great. Well, I guess fortunately it didn't go that way because I think we would have had some problems ourselves. I suppose I saw that John Cusack movie 2012. So Alex just keeps taking calls and it's super bizarre because like generally speaking, when I've

listened to these episodes, he'll say he's going to take calls. He'll yell about something and ramble for about an hour, get to the end of the show, maybe take one call and then be like, we'll get to you next time. That sort of thing. So to hear him take multiple calls that what is, you know, fairly early in the show was bizarre. And he gets this call from someone who suggests a guest for his show. Robert in Texas, you're on the air Robert real fast. Go ahead. So I love the idea that like this guy's calling in and he's like, Hey, there's this lady named Jan Morgan. She loves guns. I think she'll be good on your show. I don't know who she is, but I agree with you. I'm a big fan of that. I sure do.

I sure do. But if you listen to regret in his voice, it's not regret. It's frustration with his phone system. Like it's in his callers because they often don't know that he's gone to them. Yeah, he has a bad screening system and all that stuff. So like, if you listen to it as much as I do, that frustration is there. That might be why he never goes to calls because he knows his phone system sucks because he knows he's just going to have to do that little conversation with somebody. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes. Alex, are you there? Yes. Alex. Hi. That's the show. Yeah. Now you've wasted three seconds. I could have been yelling about something. Yeah. So Jan Morgan is the owner of the gun cave indoor shooting range in Hot Springs, Arkansas, and is an official

instructor licensed by the NRA. Interestingly, it seems like she would be a fantastic fit as an Info Wars guest. Seeing as in 2014, she banned all Muslims from her shooting range. Okay. Saying that quote, this is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of Muslims to substantiate my position that Muslims can and will follow the directives in their Quran and kill here at home. And she's in Arkansas of all places. Hot Springs. Never, never in my wildest. She insisted that the First Amendment did not include protections for Muslims and defended her actions by citing verses from the Quran that she interpreted as being very scary. Doesn't sound right. She further related a story of a couple men who came into her range recently. Quote,

two Muslims walked into my range last week with Allah Akbar ringtones and message alert tones on their smartphones. They spoke very little English. One did not have proof of US citizenship, yet they wanted to rent and shoot guns. They were constantly glancing towards the cameras in the range, then looking at each other and speaking in their own language. She went on to say that she was doing the only sensible thing here. Quote, since I have no way of discerning which Muslims will or will not kill in the name of their religion and the commands of their Quran, I choose to err on the side of caution. Unfortunately, she failed to see the irony in this logic, seeing as it could be flipped around super easily and used to literally take all guns from whatever group you want.

No, what? There's no real way to discern which white men are going to become members of violent white nationalist groups. So the government should err on the side of caution and disarm all white men. It's almost like she's dumb. I'm not advocating for that necessarily. But the argument uses identical logic to what she's putting forth. She's very stupid. Yeah, this is how this always goes. It's the same thing we talked about in terms of Ted Nugent banning guns at his concert. These people to pretend to have a principled absolute moral stand that the right to own and hold guns is the most important part of being free at any attempt to restrict anyone's access to guns as an attempt to take away all guns and demolish freedom. Then as soon as they

feel threatened, they equivocate, make qualifications and intellectualize their way into restricting the very right they pretend to believe is sacrosanct. These people are all liars. Well, if she's saying that the First Amendment doesn't cover Muslims, which yeah, fine. If that's if that's your saying, then get the fuck out. We don't need you talking ever again. Then she's also saying that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to Muslims because they're not allowed in her gun store. So they aren't legally allowed to carry guns. She's essentially saying that Muslims cannot possibly be constitutional. More or less. Yeah. Yeah, that's what she's saying. Oh, also fun little thing. Jan Morgan ran for the governorship of Arkansas in their 2018 election.

How'd she do? In an attempt to raise money for her campaign, Jan set up an illegal raffle where people would donate $50 to her campaign for a chance to win a handgun with her signature engraved on it. When legal questions started popping up, she refunded everyone's money, but it bears mention because she thought that was a good idea to begin with. Also, for someone running in just the Republican primary for this position. How'd she do? Her fundraising was pretty on point. She brought in almost $200,000. That is crazy. Much of which came from political action committees, which suspiciously share an address. Arkansas Business Services, Arkansas Trade First, and Commerce and Action all gave the maximum amount allowed to her, but also all seem to be

the same people. A group called Conduit for Action. Conduit for Money for her campaign. Conduit for Action is a hard right political action committee, which is super against Governor Hutchinson, the person that she would be running against in the primary, because though he's a Republican, he's not as hard line as they want their governor to be. They publish articles on their website like this one from just about a week ago. Quote, Governor's tax plan to thwart constitution about Hutchinson's proposed increase in gasoline and oil taxes. That sounds like something that the founding fathers were really into. During the election, they published multiple articles promoting Morgan's campaign, but didn't disclose that they were supporting her through

cloned political action committees, which is shady as hell, but not illegal in Arkansas. See now, isn't that a problem? It is a problem. It feels like that's a problem. On the other hand, Alex would have loved her if she owned a pool supply store in Austin, then he never would have had to see young girls. As I understand from all the information I was able to find, most of these are cloned PACs from conduit for action, but that really has to be illegal. No, it's not illegal. It's totally fine. And what's the point of having a maximum donation? I don't know. Okay, there we go. All right. I don't know if laws have been changed since then, but I know there's been some discussion about it because it is a really fucking weird thing to

allow for the exact reason you brought up. Maximums don't matter. So she lost the Republican primary, but she did get 30% of the vote, which is super fucked up. That's bananas. As the Arkansas Times pointed out during the campaign, her campaign really never was about winning the vote. Quote, Jan Morgan may not technically win the Republican primary for governor by compiling the most votes, but she's already won the race by driving Governor Hutchinson to a loud declaration of his position to the farthest right reaches of the political spectrum. By being in the race, she required Hutchinson to come out from the shadows and pander to the further right parts of his base that would be stolen by Morgan being in the race. Thus his rhetoric towards the LGBT

community and about women's rights became far more toxic than it had been in previous campaign cycles. And this Jordan is how the Overton window shifts. Oh, she's a perfect example of that. Yeah. Jesus, what a dick. She sucks. I don't like her. So you have these and she wasn't on info wars. I don't know if she does have come on eventually. She I'm saying she's a perfect guess. She is a perfect guess. Yeah, I'm shocked she's not on right now. I don't believe that all these political action committees necessarily even wanted her to win, but they knew that that effect of having her in the race would force Hutchinson to change some of the positions towards the harder right versions that they wanted to see. So they were funneling money towards her in order to push him

to the right. Of course. That's the intention. That's how this works. Yeah, there's no way they would actually want her to win because obviously her first day in office would be like, I'm banning the Constitution from covering anybody but white people. What are you doing, ladies? It would be tough. Yeah, she would not have a very successful term as governor. I think I think she might get herself in a little bit of trouble that even hard right folk are not super, super interested in. So at this point in the episode, Alex just sort of treads water for a bit and it's pretty boring. And then he has a guest. He gets a guest on the show, my friend. And this guest is... I don't know how to describe him. He's famous. Derek Fisher, formerly of the Lakers.

It's not Derek Fisher. It's not Derek Fisher. No, but I did meet him once. Did you? I did. Really? Me and my dad went to Lakers Cavs preseason game years and years back and I met him on the court. Is he a good guy? I don't remember. I don't think anyone was mean to me except Shack. And Shack wasn't even mean to me. He was just too big. No, I was... We got in early because we snuck him through like a back door so I could get autographs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I found like Kobe Bryant was there and I got his autograph and Eddie Jones, I believe. Yeah. Got his autograph. Derek Fisher walked up and said, well, my autograph. I'm like, yeah, sure. I got his autograph. That's rude. I didn't. I was... Derek Fisher wasn't a star, but he was

still a very serviceable player. Derek Fisher was... He was one of the people I did want the autograph. I think it was Sean Rooks walked up. That's fair. That is fair. It was some middling power forward. He's still very talented, but someone who's an autograph I did not... I wasn't interested in. So then I'm getting these autographs from these people and I look over and Shack is doing free throw practice. He's warming up, shooting free throws. Throwing them just at the backboard, missing horrifically every time. And I'm like, I could get Shack's autograph. I never imagined such a thing would be possible. So I start wandering over towards Shack. Just a little boy on a basketball court. I don't see anybody else. I just see Shack.

And out of nowhere, his bodyguard gets in between us. It's like, no. No. Shack looks back. It gives me a, man, what are you going to do? Kind of look like, come on, man. Even back then, I was like, don't put this on your bodyguard. This is on you. Oh, you had to do a side by little. Well, what are you going to do? I like that. Nothing I can do. Hey, I don't know. He's the boss. Bodyguard says, you know, I, I mean, obviously I pay his salary and everything, but he's the boss, man. What are you going to do? Anyway, we'll be on TNT. Point is Derek Fisher wasn't on, uh, on, uh, info. It's Nick Van Exel. Oh, I'm trying to think of other people who were on the Lakers around that time. Um, so it's not, well, Andrew Bogan is a big pizza gator. So he could

have been on info wars. That's true. Um, so it, no, it's not, it's a Bob Barr, uh, Bob Barr, former member of the house. Oh, not. Okay. Former house member from Georgia, Bob Barr, joins the proceedings. I bet he's a good guy. Uh, here is Alex introducing him. Okay. This is a very important interview because he is a senior member of the National Rifle Association board. And with him on the board, they've gotten more hardcore in the defense of the second amendment. We've been pleased with that direction by the NRA. Uh, Liberty guard.org is the big group. He's heading up fighting the drones, the TSA and the police state takeover, but he wants today Bob Barr, former congressman, constitutional lawyer, Georgetown, multiple

degrees. Uh, also as in the CIA from 71 to 78, just a long bio there at Bob Barr.org as well. And he joins us here today. He's been a long time member of the NRA board. So Alex being like they've gotten more extreme under him makes literally no sense. Um, because he was a member of the board almost the entire time Alex has been mad at them and calling them controlled opposition, which he has been doing in 2012 while he's sitting down with Bob Barr. It's just meaningless. It's not that it doesn't make sense. While he's been a member of the board, yes, they have gotten more hard right, but it has nothing to do with anything that, you know, he's just been there. So yeah, perhaps he's just there. So like I mentioned, in addition to being a bit of a right

wing douche, Bob Barr was also a member of the US house representing Georgia. Barr was in the house for eight years from 1995 to 2003. And in that time, only four bills he sponsored became law. One was about naming a post office. Another one was about the number of 1996 Atlanta Olympics commemorative coins should be made and another was about how Alabama, Florida and Georgia share surface water rights to the Chattahoochee River. The fourth bill that he sponsored and made it all the way to becoming law was the 1996 Defensive Marriage Act, which defined marriages being solely between one man and one woman and forbade the federal government from requiring states to recognize any sex marriages nor require the states to confer any of the rights of spouses

to people in such relationships. All right, I knew he's a piece of shit, but wow, he's a piece of shit. 25% of the bills he got through made sex marriages, unrecognized by whatever states. Thanks, Bill. I have to concede that a lot of Congress members on both sides of the aisle have levels that are this horrible in terms of productivity, in terms of how many bills. Well, there's however many of them. Yeah. So Bob shouldn't take too much of a hit for that, at least not too hard of a hit. I don't think it speaks super highly that four fifths of a decade of your life is spent and all you come away with it is a shared river, some coins, a named post office, and a bill that deeply undermines a group of people's human rights. I don't think that's

great, but you know. I mean, the argument against that, though, is when you really get down to it, based on the shittiness of Democrats and how garbage they are, Cortez is not going to have, like, you know, she probably won't even have four bills passed in the next eight years because they're so shitty. No, I know. But she's already done far more than any of the other. I understand that. That's what I was calling myself out for, that part where like there's a lot of people who don't really on the surface get a whole lot done. Exactly. And so I'm saying he got four bills in eight years and that I do want better productivity. But at the same time, I recognize that it's an endemic system in Congress. But also, if you look at some people, they get a lot more done.

Anyway, it's beside the point. More to the point. And perhaps more relevant to our conversation here, in Bob Barr's time in office, he received $48,500 from Lockheed Martin, $42,603 from the NRA, and $39,550 from Glock, representing three of his five largest campaign contributors for his entire career. In addition to that, his political action committee took in $101,973 from gun rights groups. Probably unsurprisingly, he would also be a board of member of the National Rifle Association. He's not someone who's even close to being unbiased on the subject of guns and is just another example of Alex packing his show with shills for the gun lobby to come out as fast and as aggressively as possible against the very idea of regulatory reform as it relates to guns.

In the aftermath of the shooting, it's just a complete trend. Everybody is a gun shill. There's nobody else, except that we know David Ike is on the next day, which is... Well, that's fair. That's the only person he's had on other than maybe Jesse Ventura that you could call not a complete shill for gun interests. It's crazy. I'm amazed that it's not a 100% agreement among the... I get why the system is what it is. Of course, you can buy politicians because you already have a shit ton of money. You've already bought enough politicians for them to make it okay for you to buy

politicians and you've bought enough politicians where they can appoint Supreme Court justices who will make it okay for you to buy politicians. But I don't understand how the American people as a whole don't have a 100% agreement rating on everybody shouldn't be allowed to buy politicians. Like, if you pulled America, they would be like, well, 40% says it's an okay idea to buy politicians. You're like, that doesn't make sense at all. Yeah, it seems weird. It seems like no matter how you phrase it or look at it, there's a better way to do this. There's a better way. No, no, no. I think our current system of buying politicians is a great idea.

You know how that's always great. It's always worked out well in history whenever you could just use a lot of money to change the political system to benefit you getting more money. It's perfect. Works well. Yeah. Also, an interesting note is that in 2002, Bob Barr was being honored at a reception being thrown by a Georgia lobbyist. The reception was in Bob Barr's honor. That lobbyist, Bruce Weidner, planned to give Barr an antique 1908 Colt 38 caliber pistol.

In attempting to hand the gun to Barr, he almost killed him. Weidner says that he removed the magazine from the gun, but didn't clear the chamber and explained the problem as quote, we were handling it safely, except that it was loaded. That certainly inspires confidence, especially considering that according to Bruce's LinkedIn page, he was the executive director of the Conditioned Air Association of Georgia at the time. So the gift of a loaded gun is extra weird. Oh boy. Yeah. Oh boy.

They just fucking almost shot him at a reception because I'm disappointed. Disappointed. Look, you're looking at the wrong issue. I know I get it. I get it. I am susceptible to shot and Freud. It's true. Right. It's true. You're looking at the wrong issue. It's not that like the bullet missed him. It's that it also could have hit anybody else.

I know. It's insane. No, I get it. And for people who like, I know, I know, Bob Barr didn't initiate the proceedings. So, you know, like it's not so embarrassing that he was the one receiving the gun. But I would figure if you're giving an antique gun to a guy who's a board member of the NRA and is a big gun guy, you should do your due diligence.

Make sure there's not a bullet like a bullet in there. Yeah. It could be a real embarrassing thing that someone might talk about on a podcast 17 years later. Undermine a lot of these arguments. But that's one of those things where when I talk about, that's too many guns. Whenever it's like, oh, he had 15 guns or whatever it is. It is not that you can't have all those guns. It's that every gun multiplies the ability for you to fuck up minorly in a way that is huge.

You know, minor mistakes are huge. Minor mistakes with a gun are huge. And each gun like just increases the percentage of chance that something is going to fuck up. Like the more guns you handle, the more likely it just as a statistical data point. Right. And even in this case, like I believe that people should be able to have guns that treat them responsibly and all that stuff. But and anti guns are super cool.

But what we're talking about here is even the possibility that does exist. People who handle guns responsibly, there's still a danger involved at that. And fuck ups are very, very costly. I am just unable to hear Bob Bar without feeling like you're leaving off the car. Like I always hear Bob Bar and I'm like, when are you going to finish the word and say Bob Barker? When are you going to say Bob Barker? His name is Bob Barker.

Also, Bob Bar was the guy who led the charge for the house in the house to get Bill Clinton impeached and was the first person in Congress to call on Bill Clinton to resign. So he's cool. He's an all right dude. He's all right. Yeah. So all of his arguments are mostly about the sort of the same things as Alex. Like they can't take our guns.

They want exactly what you'd expect. Yeah. He is treating Sandy Hook like it's a real thing, which is, I guess, I'm not even going to give him a win column there. Well, I mean, he's not saying it's fake. So that it's important in as much as Alex's guests are not influencing him except for the like defend guns aspect of the rest of the stuff is not coming from any clear source on the show. There's nobody who's coming in and poisoning his mind as a bunch of weirdo callers.

Yeah. Yeah. But that's to be expected. If you're doing a show like Alex does and you're 20 years into it or whatever, you're going to get some weirdo callers. But you should also have a position of, I don't believe anything these weirdos say. Yeah. That's a good point.

You should know by now. You should know these people are nuts. I don't know. The DOT is on the street, Stan. So anyway, in this clip, Alex tells Bob Barr about what the real issue is with Sandy Hook. Looking at this, sir, we know what the big ingredient is. The Pentagon developed first person shooter games to create instinctive killing because in Vietnam and before they found troops wouldn't kill people up close

and they would become dead. It was meant to hone not a killer instinct, but an instinctive killing. Okay, so in Vietnam and before, soldiers wouldn't kill people. That's why they invented video games. Right. Yep. I beg to differ. Now, can I, can I just say that up top?

Yes. Beg to differ. I will actually defend him on this one. Okay. Strangely enough, this is something that I did read up on. They've done a lot of studies on ammo and war and all that stuff. And it is very, very unlikely for a soldier to actually try and kill somebody. Like so many of the bullets that they have found have been people,

not necessarily, not like intentionally trying to miss, but at the same time, nobody wants to kill anybody. So there is a very high, like if we're talking, like we're talking Jack's free throw percentage level of trying to kill people. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But if that, if you're talking about this, you're not talking about it in terms of like, that was true in Tel Vietnam.

Oh, no, no, no. And now everyone's trying to kill everybody. No, no, no, no. So even that doesn't track what Alex is saying. Even now people are still on the, on the whole, people are still on the side of maybe we shouldn't kill people. There weren't any video games around in World War one. Anyway, so Alex gets to this next.

He has a new, he has a news story that he wants to tell Bob about. And it's, it's pretty scary, but it's also not true. What about this report? It's an info wars.com in links to the Chinese people's daily, the official government, communist Chinese mouth. I mean, it's the mouth. Communist Chinese government calls for Americans to be disarmed. This just broke an info wars.com with the links to the people's daily.

And they say they challenge Obama to, to ratify the new UN treaty. And, and, and isn't part of what we're seeing the drumbeat even before this said massacre, the move towards getting the Senate to ratify the United Nations small arms treaty, sir. Actually, Alex, this one reason I like to come onto your show, because you bring up so many good points that a lot of people don't readily think of. Ooh, that's not a great response to that. I think you can probably guess just from listening to Alex that he might be sensationalizing this story.

Just a, just a tad, maybe just a little, a tad. So the, but not in front of Bob Barr. Not a respectable former house member. The Chinese state media operations Jin Ha, Jin Hua did post an op ed titled quote, innocent blood demands no delay for US gun control. But it stops just short of saying something like, Hey, Obama, go get everybody's guns. Like Alex is suggesting, you can find the article online.

And if you do, you'll see what it really is. Is China shaking the damn heads at us? It's mostly about how as awful and heartbreaking as these mass shootings are in America, the reason nothing's ever done about it is electoral politics. The author specifically points out that Columbine happened in an election here, which is probably a big reason why no one was quote, willing to step up gun control due to possible political ramifications. They point out that because Obama doesn't have to face another election,

he's in a rare position where that isn't a concern for him. It's really just a statement of fact. Yeah, no, that's that's pretty good analysis. The op ed further points out that one of the big reasons that in election years, even the Democrats who ostensibly are for gun law reform, lack the political will to get anything done is the massive influence and funding provided to their opponents by the NRA, specifically pointing out the 2000 election, when the NRA gave $3.2 million to candidates, political action committees,

98% of which went to Republicans. Interestingly, in that election, the largest single recipient of their money was California's Democratic Representative Joe Baca. It seemed real strange when you see that until you realize that he was part of the blue dog Democrat Congress. And after he lost his seat in 2012, he tried to stage a comeback by running as a Republican in 2015. Odd. And then he switched back to being a Democrat to run in 2018. How did he do? He didn't win. He was referred to by colleagues as a candidate of convenience. Yeah. So otherwise known as a fucking asshole.

Uh huh. So he was part of that 2% of money from the NRA. Democrats. More to the point, though, this piece, this Chinese op ed is really more about shaming than it is about demand that we actually do anything. You can tell that from lines like, quote, the massacre has triggered a new debate on gun control in the United States. However, this time, the public feels somewhat tired and helpless and quote, every time a tragedy occurs, there are renewed appeals for gun regulation. However, the calls disappointingly always fail. God damn it. There's a resignation in the text that really speaks to how profoundly felt the tragedy of

Sandy Hook was to people who are able to feel things. Yeah, even in other all around the world. The final line is something close to a call to action, but it's kind of meek when taken in the full context of the rest of the article, quote, actions speak louder than words. If Obama wants to take practical measures to control guns, he has to make a preparation for a protected war and considerable political cost. This is to say that lip service is meaningless, and ultimately, if Obama wants to make a real difference, the gun fetishists in this country aren't going to let him do anything easily. All in all, the article is insanely depressing to read. Yeah, it is basically what we all felt. It really is what we all felt of the next day.

Well, apparently not all of us. Well, yeah, that's fair. I mean, just anybody with empathy or emotions is just like really, we're we're not doing anything even after this, then it's never going to be done. I don't know what to do other than to inoculate myself from, from care, you know, to, to pretend that, well, I guess this is just business as usual. So I don't have to feel anymore. It's brutal. So the New York Times wrote a piece about this article in this Chinese publication, and it points out how in China, there's also an attack on a school in the Henan province around the same time as the one in Newtown. There was a man who there who stabbed 22 children,

which Alex could use to make the argument that these attacks happened no matter what weapons people have, to which I would reply that none of the children in China died. So there's a substantial difference. Because even if someone comes in with a knife, he stabbed 22 kids, which is a fucking terrifying awful thing. Yeah, but they're all still alive. Jesus. So quite different, quite different in outcome. I would say it's the very least a little different. Oh, also Alex is further lying by saying that he just broke the story. Paul Joseph Watson posted an article about the op ed on info wars.com on December 20th, the day of this episode. Breitbart had covered it in an article they posted on December 18th. So Alex is clearly piggybacking their

propaganda angle and pretending he's the first one on the scene. In PJW's article, there's even a paragraph citing the Breitbart story and linking to it. Of course. So they didn't break shit. They didn't break it. They just covered the Breitbart article on info wars. They broke it on info wars. Big news. Interestingly, there's one source that does give Alex credit for breaking this story that I can find. Quote, the Communist Party of China demands that the US should disarm. According to Chinese officials, the recent school massacre gave all to, this is poor grammar, gave all to understand that one should not wait any longer. The country's leaders believe that the brutality of the Connecticut shooter will ensure the widest public support for arms reduction

info wars.com reports. That's from a December 21st article in Pravda. I'm not really sure what that means or even if it means anything, but it seemed weird. I don't know. I don't know. But that's the only place I got nothing on that one. That's the only place I can find that sites info wars as a source on this story. I was like, what the fuck? That's the only place you can find that sites info wars on any story. I'm not sure that's entirely true. But at this point, Alex has got this story. He lets Bob go and get out of here, Bob. He just spaying new to your own fucking pants. Different guy. It's a different guy. Different guy. Are you sure? I'm positive. Okay. So but Alex has introduced this China wants to disarm us story. And that really starts to feel good. Get them

chai comms in there. And he's now glad that he took calls earlier on the show. So he could just scream about the Chinese for the rest of the show. Oh boy. He just rants about how awful they are and how they kill everybody. And you know, all that sort of the Chinese and the most brutal, you know, regime ever. Yeah, he goes on a good like 10 minute jag about that. They can be mind controlled. And that's that later on. Yeah, that's later on, but it's still, it's still bubbling under the surface. So he does all that ranting. And then he gets to this and he talks about the Chinese newscasters covering like Tiananmen Square. And I think it sounds like him in the present. I just type in Tiananmen Square news, Chinese news coverage

of Tiananmen Square. And I mean, it is just tanks running over body splattered everywhere, lining people up shooting them, and then just cutting back to newscasters like like they're reporting on their football team winning. I tell you the Washington Redskins defeated their enemy today and just annihilated me. And the satisfaction on the faces of the state run media is just like we are defeating the enemy right now, devastatingly smashing and crushing them. Oh my God. But it's in Chinese. And it's just incredible, incredible. Oh man. I like that pause. There's but it's in Chinese. He doesn't know Chinese. He's just assuming that's what they're saying. Whatever. I don't know. I don't know. But it's Chinese. I don't know if he's ever got nobody even knows how to read

that language. It's a mystery. But when he's describing these newscasters, that sounds very similar to him talking about the globalists. Yeah, we're crushing them. We're winning our team, the Patriots, our resurgence. You know, I was thinking while he was while he was talking about that, I was thinking about how the New Yorker story that came out about how Fox News is the mouthpiece, the propaganda arm of the Trump administration. Yeah, I'm like I imagine myself being Alex reading that story and being like, this is the problem. I was supposed to be the state media. That's my whole issue. Fox News took my gig. It took my game and went pro with it. Exactly. He must have been so pissed when he read that. But I think he had to. I mean,

he already knew he would have to be a fool not to see that coming even in the early days. Oh, of course. Of course. I mean, I don't know. I do think that that's what he wants to be seen as. But he wouldn't want to be Fox News also. No, no, no, he wants to be the propaganda arm of the Trump administration doesn't want to be beholden to FCC laws. Right. Exactly. There's stricter rules of television. Right. But that's why I'm saying that even then he must be so angry to realize the extent of it. Yeah, because that's that's like one of his big selling points for being the state red media is like, see, nobody nobody can regulate my shit. I don't give it if FCC I don't care. I'm Alex stupid dumb fuck Jones. Right. You know, you guys could have picked

me and they would never even oh, they would write a New Yorker story. Yeah, like I give a shit, you know, although on the other hand, Fox News doesn't give a shit either. So there is that you got to give them that there's more people who are willing to go on the record around Fox News than there are at Info Wars. Yeah, you got to give it up to the able to get written fair. You got to give it up to the Somali pirates. That's all I'm saying that would be in that story for sure. So in this next clip, Alex insists that he's not trying to scare his audience, and then he proceeds to say something incredibly scary. I've studied these people and you've heard Ron Paul, you've heard countless others on here who studied them. We have sick psychopathic

authoritarians. That's a Ron Paul quote in control and they plan to put us in FEMA camps. They've built them. It's public. It's all real. Nope. Now, people say, well, you're scaring us, Alex. No, no, no, I want to scare you with the facts into exposing these people. They're not going to be able to do this if we expose them. But let me explain something to you. If they nuke a city, which is in their plans, it's in their cards. If they nuke a city and say Patriots did it, you know, the hammer just dropped and they're going to try to come arrest me. You name it. Okay, I know these murders. You think they care about 20 kids at Sandy Hook. Think again, I mean, these are sick freaks who want an authoritarian system here. We are the greatest

prize in the world, the Patriots, the Americans who won't submit or the greatest prize, and they're willing to nuke a city in order to make Alex look bad so he can be arrested. I don't, that seems like a bad plan. I don't see how that's not trying to scare people. No, he's just saying that the enemy is willing to kill millions upon millions of people, right, scorch the earth around them, possibly cause lasting radioactive damage to the entire world in order to arrest Alex, to get me. Right. That's not that scary. There's a little narcissism buried in there. There's a little bit of, I mean, it's also minimizing anybody who expresses feelings of loss and sadness over Sandy Hook. Certainly he's building that into what he's saying. It's definitely

there of like, oh, why would you care about these 20 people? We're trying to save millions. Because they're going to nuke a city. It's in their cards. Yeah. It's in the plants. It's in their cards. It's in the plants. It's the upside down king pointing the sword at his head. Something or other. Yeah. So in this last clip from December 20th, Alex says something that is not good. And it needs, it has to be understood in the context of all the other things he's been saying up till this point. Like in recent days, he's talking about how he'd seen this video of Robbie Parker, the grieving father, and he thinks it's suspicious and they might be actors. He's acting like an actor up there. This needs to be investigated. Sandy Hook smells to high heaven.

People need to investigate this. The globalist plan to nuke a city to take out our Patriots, the greatest prize in the known world, and that sort of thing. So when he ends the show like this, it doesn't make me feel good. Man, if you love your family, folks, you better get really active. I mean, in everybody's face, banner hangs, calling in to talk radio, doing your own YouTubes, access television. It isn't enough to get a bunch of guns and hide out in the forest, waiting for them to come. You've got to get in their face now. You've got to take America back now and you've playing patty cake with the Democrats and Republicans isn't going to do it. You understand everybody that says, Oh, the government's just dumb. They just don't know.

It's a foreign occupation by foreign banks with China. Okay. Oh boy. So it's really weird to hear that level of scaremongering over what sounds like the track from a Jane Fonda workout video. Yeah. Do you know? Do you know what I mean? I do. I do know what you mean. Yeah, it's strange. It's not, it doesn't. All right, we're going to work those glutes. Everybody's coming to kill you. All right. It's disconcerting. Certainly. The idea of like, if you love your family, you better get really active. You got to get in people's faces. You got to confront everybody. YouTubes. I mean, that's one, that's one way that's probably just more an expression of like, if you guys who are my acolytes do these things, it's only going to feed people to me.

Exactly. Because you'll be saying what I say, but worse, and people like maybe see your ideas, you'll obviously reference how much you love me a bunch of times. You will reference Alex Jones a million times. It'll be free advertising. It'll be terrible advertising, but it'll be free. Not great. And then the other side of it, there will be a large portion of his audience who hear what he's saying in the context of all of the other stuff he's been saying. You need to get aggressive. If you love your family, you got to get really active. This is an occupying government, all this stuff, and they'll take action. They'll be interested in investigating, Sandy Hook, as he has already said, people need to do. So the getting really active part there is,

it's disconcerting. Frustrating. Yeah, it's troubling. So I have an out of context drop from the 20th that I didn't play earlier. And here you go. We're in a pickle. I have to tell you. Yeah, you are. So we get to the 21st. You're reigniting the the great pickle cucumber debate. Got it. 2019. Anytime pickles come up in Alex's world, we got to reference it. So we get to the 21st, the end of the world day. He has David Ike on and it's mostly just talking about how, you know, there are evil forces in the world. But of course, the world's not going to end today. That is most of the show. True. But they get into a little conversation about Sandy Hook. And now we see these ideas that Alex has already introduced, be it the Batman idea, right, or

anything like that. Jane Fonda workout tapes that doesn't come into play specifically, but it's probably in the background. So I assume so. So Alex and David Ike have this conversation that I think is awful. After we get into my questions, what are some of the things that are front and center with you today? Well, I just think we're we're heading Alex to a point in the new year in 2013 when so many things are going to come together. We have a good point now in a second term. He has no other election to win. We have this fiscal cliff as they're talking about and this obvious agenda to push on down the road of the Hunger Games. If people saw that movie, there was a few people absolutely staggeringly rich in a high tech top of the range luxury

capital. And the rest of the people who were feeding that wealth were actually in abject poverty. So we support Occupy Wall Street. Beyond Orwellian levels of control. Occupy Wall Street. You know, it was interesting to me because, you know, I follow symbolism a lot and so-called coincidence that Suzanne Collins, who wrote the Hunger Game books, should be in living in that area of Sandy Hook, same with the connections from that into the Dark Knight Rising movie. And by the way, it's not just that they renamed it in the new Dark Knight to Sandy Hook. They mailed out to the media attack papers. For those that don't know, we'll talk about when we come back, attack papers, orders from Bain of Strike Points.

And the last one, that area named Sandy Hook was named Hinckley, the shooter of Reagan. Well, you see, if we get really deeper into this, really deep into this, Alex, it's all about the manipulation of the human subconscious mind, which then becomes the conscious mind's perception of reality. I don't care about that Batman nonsense. Do people not know how fucking stupid that is? Clearly not. How does anybody listen to David? I cannot go, that is the dumbest fucking guy. I get that he has a British accent and that can confuse a lot of people. Right. But he even smacks his lips a lot and he does that thing where he breathes in through his

nose and it's wrong and it's uncomfortable. And then he says, just dumb fuck shit. Yeah, it's pretty dumb. That is stupid. Yeah. You know what though? It is true that Suzanne Collins, the author of the Hunger Game series, did live in Sandy Hook Village. Oh, well, never mind. That proves that reptilians were on the world then. But I would respond to that by saying, so what? Also, Caitlyn Jenner formally lived there too. Is that meaningful? The actor Anthony Edwards used to live there. So what? Charles Jackson, the author of The Lost Weekend lived there. Does this add to the conspiracy

at all? Genevon Oye, who played six on Blossom, went to high school in Sandy Hook. Were six's hats part of the globalist plot? Actually, that is. I don't know. Someone needs to investigate it. I would believe that one. Look into the hat. Please, nobody bother anybody, anybody from the show Blossom. And these are just some of the famous people who are from Sandy Hook Village.

When you consider the entire town of Newtown, that list expands quite a bit and now includes Charles Goodyear, the guy who invented vulcanized rubber for tires. Joanna Cole, the author of The Magic School Bus. Joey Stiles, the former ECW announcer. And Alia Kazan, the two-time Oscar-winning, three-time Tony Award-winning, and four-time Golden Globe-winning director of such hits as A Streetcar Named Desire and On the Waterfront, who is considered by many to be one of the best directors in film history, who also founded the actor's studio, which created Method Acting.

Yeah, but she never got an Emmy, so she didn't even EGOT. It doesn't even care. Oh, I'm sorry. I completely forgot. And also, none of this means anything. He didn't EGOT, Dan. Doesn't matter. There are people who are from places.

So-called coincidences. Right. Fuck off. You need to do better. You're so stupid. You need to do better to work on a coincidence than just say it's not one. So-called. Well, that's the, yeah.

You can't, that's a shortcut and it's unfair. That's an unfair thing to do. And I resent it. I investigate so-called coincidences by, first, not investigating them. And second, saying that they are not coincidences, thus proving my dumb argument. And the plot of the Hunger Games really has nothing to do with the shooting that happened. 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,600 So number one there.

And everything to do with watching Battle Royale when she was high in 1995. 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,280 And nothing about it really has to do with the direction our society is gone. If you want to talk about like, yes, there is great economic difference between classes. Yes, that is true. The social stratification aspect of the movie is true. But the movie is about a kill contest. Yeah.

And that we still haven't gotten to. Nor is there any indication that that is the correct. And professional football is getting closer. Not nearly the same. And not quite. They don't get weapons. That's true. Oh man, they should get weapons.

So here's the last clip from the 21st where they are talking some more about Sandy Hook. You can look at Sandy Hook, but we're missing the point. If we look at it only on one level. You're on one level, yes. It's about an excuse to take guns away because of the same reason that they stopped guns and ammunition being owned by Jewish people before they started running up in Germany. On another level, it's going to be used to create copycats, more people shooting schools, because that's the feedback loop conditioning people to go shoot up schools.

This will undoubtedly cause more school shootings. Yeah, that's another one. Another one is to create what? Emotional trauma collectively in the population. Not just in America over Sandy Hook, although obviously much greater there. Stay there, stay there. We're talking about psychic vampires with David Ikes. Yeah, you are.

That is what you're doing. Take a look at the mirror. That's what you're doing, Alex. Yeah. You're talking about psychic vampires with David Ike. Ridiculous. And even David Ike is coming out on the, it was false flagged staged. On his, they're doing it to create emotional trauma on a worldwide basis.

Oh, you bet. Like he's all in on the. David Ike is a little bit harder in his position than Alex is at this point. Yeah, yeah. But Alex is, you know, it's not good. It's not good to have these ideas presented on your show unchallenged if they're not ideas that you don't want your audience internalizing. Yeah.

It's, it's just a, it's just a shitty way to do business. So look, I still don't think we've, we've reached the point where he's, he's fully committed to his, this was fake argument or anything, but we're past the end of the world and we've seen the continuation of the wall to wall gun shill guests and the breaking of that pattern with one of the craziest people who exists in the world, David Ike. Yeah. He was saying that it's psychic vampires trying to create this trauma

and all this stuff, which it doesn't bode well for the, what, what comes next. No, no, no, no. Does not make me feel super confident that Alex is going to find his bearings at all. And the other thing too is in that, in that clip, that last one there, Alex is saying that he's concerned that this is going to create copycat school shooters and stuff like that, which is the safest bet in the world when you do nothing. When you do nothing in terms of regulating gun laws and things like that, you are, you can be pretty confident there's going to be more school shootings.

And then you can just say, I called this, these are all because of the, the last one. This is all just copycatting off the last one. And I can be pretty sure that you have some culpability in those fucking copycat shooters. I'm not willing to go that far, but he certainly is not, certainly not innocent, but I'm not sure of what he is guilty. Yeah. He's guilty of something.

Man, David, Ike just sounds so full of shit. He sounds like a fucking nervous bookie. Like he's a, well, as we can all see that like, fuck you, you lying piece of shit. You're, you're a fucking con man. Yeah. He is. Yeah.

He's, he doesn't even believe the dumb shit that he says. Listen to him. He might. I kind of regret, I think in a way earlier episode of this, this show, I might have said he has some decent ideas and stuff like that. But I think really when I examine it more, I'm just responding to like the vague self-help stuff that is incorporated within all the other dangerous messages. Yeah.

And so I mean, I could still defend that. I could still say like, yes, this vague self-help stuff that you could get anywhere. Yeah. That's like, I can defend Goop for occasionally being vaguely self-help-y. But I think I probably just didn't analyze that nearly enough. Yeah. So anyway, sorry if I wasn't hard enough on David Ike before, but he stinks. So I don't know.

I don't know at the end of this what we've, what we've seen in terms of any progression. I think we're still seeing a bit of a holding pattern on his part. I think you're starting to see the audience catch up to him on being salacious. For sure. About this. And because you took more calls, you're seeing that influence come into the program. And then the idea, I mean, how's Alex going to do a December 21st, 2012 show and not have David Ike on? But because of the timing of it, David Ike is also introducing a lot of really bad ideas to the proceedings.

So that is some evolution, but we'll see where it goes from here. Well, the fact that he brings up the feedback loop as being, like Alex bringing up the feedback loop as being something that is a part of this whole thing, yet not realizing that he's in that feedback loop with all of his guests, with all of his callers of him saying shit. All this gun shell guests. And they're all just mirroring that shit back to him. He is in this constant, like there can be no information that I will interact with that is not supporting my bullshit.

He doesn't realize that he's a part of the loop in the same way that he doesn't realize that he's a part of politics. Like he doesn't actively recognize that he is a part of the thing that he's critiquing. Yeah. In as much as like he's basically just the Jan Morgan of this. Like he, he's like, I'm above the right left paradigm, but in reality, everything that he stands for and perpetuates is to try to work to push people further right. Right.

So he's mad at the Republicans because they're not far right enough for him. And that's why he thinks he's above the left, right paradigm and it's nonsense. And the same way he thinks he's above this feedback loop that's going on when he is pushing it super far towards the Sandy Hook was fake mentality. Oh yeah. So yeah, that's a good point. And he doesn't realize it and that will be to his own detriment. Hopefully.

Yeah. Hopefully will be further to his own detriment as, as events progress. Yeah. So anyway, guys, we will be back on Friday, but until then we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. That's correct. We're also on Twitter.

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Yeah. I'm looking over this and I'm not seeing anybody I like in this. No, there's a, there's a murderers row of murderers on this show. Oh boy. Do you think David Ike has ever actually killed somebody? I don't know. He's crazy enough that he might have. You think so?

I think Bob Barr has never killed anybody. I bet Bob Barr has totally killed somebody. I don't think that's accurate. Listen to his stereotypical white voice. I don't think that's accurate. I think Bob Barr is in the clear. He's, he's, he's been a part of some bad, bad stuff. I'll tell you who's never killed anybody.

Who's that? Bob Barker. Oh, okay. Yep. Yeah. I guarantee you that of all the people we have talked about in this show, only Bob Barker. Didn't come up, didn't come up with Alex,

but came up in the episode so good enough. Bob Barker probably hasn't killed anybody, but technically one guy has. That guy is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller.

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