Knowledge Fight - #275: December 23-31, 2012

Episode Date: March 13, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some strange goings-on in the present day of Alex Jones' show before taking a glimpse back into 2012 to speed through a bit of a stretch where Alex found himself in a "Gun Paranoia Holding Pattern."

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. What was the last time you moved? Well, two years ago, I moved into this apartment. Actually, we've done this entire podcast in this apartment.

And it's an interesting thing as some people... Wait, hold on. Did you move here recent, like just a short while before we started the show? Yeah. Like a couple of months? Yeah. It was very close to when we started this podcast. I don't think I realized that. Yeah. We've not done this show outside of this bedroom. Well, aside from a two live episode, Stan.

That's fair. Two live episodes. Yeah, we did one in Chicago and one in Austin. That's correct. Once again, thank you to everybody in Austin. So it's been a little bit over two years because my leases have not always been full years sometimes. I think there was one that was like nine months and one that was six months. Yeah.

It's very crazy. Yeah. But now I'm in the process of finding a new place and we'll have a new Knowledge Fight headquarters. And that brings me to why we didn't have an episode on Monday or at least a big part of it is the Chicago real estate is a pain in the ass. No. It sucks. No. Moving anywhere sucks.

But in Chicago, it sucks a whole lot more. Oh, yeah. Everybody knows like all the people who have apartments and all that stuff, they all know that they hold all the cards. They are in entire control of the situation and they do not care. Oh, yeah. No, like I remember moving into my old place, like maybe six years ago and I got a super great deal. Like they were going out of their way. They just wanted to get people in there and then over that time span, they just kept raising the rent and raising the rent and a good, you know, what are you going to do?

Cost of living adjustment and whatever. Did you know that you can say no to that? I didn't. I didn't know that until just the other day. I didn't even realize you could say no. Some guy was like, I was complaining about how old departments that I've had have always had to leave because they raised the rent. He's like, you know, he could just say like, I'm not going to pay that much. How about we say 20 bucks extra?

Yeah. What? It's crazy. It's crazy. They might say no to that, but you could often say yes. It's cheaper for them just to keep you in the building and they'll take that 20. Like what the fuck? Right?

Yeah. I was I was never doing that to the point where eventually it got kind of silly. But I stayed there for another year because I was like, I just don't want to have to fight because it is a fight. It's a nonstop fight. Yeah. It's a it's it's pretty it's pretty rough. And I'm so do you want to know the story about how how I got out of there? Oh, no, go ahead.

I tried to I couldn't break my lease. I had lost my job and I had no income and I couldn't break my lease. So I just started finding people on Craigslist to try and sublet. Sure, sure. And there were a bunch of weirdos, but there was one. Yeah, who would have guessed weird, but there was this one dude. And he was super cool. He was a this is important to the story.

OK, he was a black dude. OK. And I was like, fuck, yeah, you're the guy to sublet for me. And he sent in his requests and all that stuff. And they were like, hmm, your credit isn't good, which in Chicago real estate is code for your black. It can be, I suppose. Yeah, it can be significantly. So what I did was.

The guy has bad credit. Yeah, he could have bad credit. Yeah, he had a good job. He actually gave me he actually gave me his pay stub and it was it was all right. OK, so maybe this is the landlords being shithead. Yeah, it was it was all right. All right. And they denied him.

So I was just like, OK. You pay me rent now, which is against the law. So you just had this guy move into your place and pay you rent with that. You then gave to the. Oh, exactly. That's a dangerous proposition. Not a good idea. And eventually somebody came around to my apartment from the real estate company

and they saw him there and he was like, oh, I've been living here for a while now. They were like, that's not OK. And I kept a email. The guy was like, no, you could have just lied. Yeah, I'm just staying here. I'm watching the place while Jordan's on vacation. It's a two bedroom. He could be my roommate.

There's a thousand possibilities. So many lies. Now, well, and eventually the story was all get kicked out. The story was he got a co-signer and they were like, whatever, fine. Oh, that was it. It all worked out perfectly. I guess at that point, what are you going to do? You know, you already got someone right in there.

You're at your borderline squatters rights level of conversation. Right. For sure. Yeah. So things are tough. But this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. It's correct. So we had some stuff to get into and discuss. But before we do, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to some people

who have donated to the show and are making this all possible. Thank you, all of you. So first of all, Seamus, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Seamus. Thank you very much, Seamus. Next, Charles, thank you so much.

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It's my favorite thing to come out of this. And finally, someone donated on a little bit of an elevated level. We'd like to say thank you so much from the bottom of our heart. To Kevin from Poughkeepsie. You are now a globalist. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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It would be delightful and extremely helpful starting. Difficult, difficult times. Yeah, very, very helpful. So yeah, I'm moving and the process is really frustrating. Like you just go and you see apartments that look like they're, like I've been, I've been out of the loop. It's been a long time since I've been apartment hunting. Yeah.

And I'm really starting to gain a deep appreciation for the people who take pictures of apartments because they make them look amazing. They really know how to do it right, don't they? It is a science. It is really good. Yeah, because you just, you see these apartments, they look amazing in the pictures and on the profiles online, stuff like that.

You give them a call, you go down and check it out. It's like, this is dog shit. No, it's like airbrushing a model in Maxim. It's crazy. Yeah. It's so consistent. Yeah. I've just, I've had so many dead ends I've run into.

I have, I have some decent leads and I think things are going to work out. We'll be able to get back to normal pretty soon. Yeah. But for now, we missed Monday and this is going to be a little bit of a weird episode also in addition to that. And some of that, I got to talk about this. Life is weird. Life is very weird.

Life is weird. The timing of this move and all this stuff is only compounded by what's going on in Alex's world. Right. Because last week we ended the week with an episode where he talked about Paul Joseph Watson leaving. Yes. And then.

Many cries. Robert Evans came in and did that bonus episode of me. Oh yeah. Again, thank you very much, Robert Evans. You did a great job filling in. That was not even filling in. You, you did a great job. It was a treat.

It was fantastic. Yes. But we did that episode about Alex's Ask Me Anything session that he tried to do where he was having a breakdown because he knew that the next day Paul was announcing that he was leaving. Right. And he was in a, well, at least my working theory is that he was in a completely emotional state having a breakdown.

He was also drunk as fuck. But I think a lot of that is motivated by the reality that he knew that Paul was going to announce he's leaving. That's a high stress situation. The only thing that could have made that better is if Paul turned to him at some point and was like, hey, I was, I was wondering, how's Don de Grand Prix doing? Oh, he's dead. Oh, well, you're doing a great job.

Thanks so much. So they do that and Alex knows that he has to be in studio on Wednesday because Paul's making that announcement and he has to be there to sort of make it about himself. Of course. Of course. So that's essential. And then Alex is gone. David Knight hosted on Thursday.

David Knight hosted on Friday. Super bummer. Owen Schroder hosted on Sunday, Monday. That's somehow worse. And Tuesday. Oh, that's pathetic. So I was trying, I really wanted to continue the story because the pieces that we saw there at the end of last week were so powerful and so like, this is big time stuff for sure.

And I was getting very self conscious and feeling like maybe I misinterpreted pieces of this. Maybe it's not as big a deal as I thought. Right. And then when I look in and I try and find new stuff to cover from the present, I see absent in all of it. Alex, Alex is gone. He's missing in action on his own show for an unscheduled vacation immediately after

he has a freak out during an Ask Me Anything session and Paul announces he's leaving. I told you, he's on a galleon doing fucking opium. It's it's growing his hair out. It's insane. I don't I don't accept the explanation that he's on a vacation. And honestly, I was starting to think that he might be dead. I don't like to talk this way. I was at a certain point.

Like I started on Tuesday. I started watching Owen cover the show. Yeah. And he looked like he was going to cry. Oh, shit. Like not not not severely looking like he was going to cry. But his eyes were red. There was a reddish to his eyes and he was distracted looking all over the studio as

if something was going to break in at any time. Right. Right. Something like that. I started to get really concerned because the last we saw of Alex was a broken down. Yeah. Yeah. After all that was a shell of a man after all that.

He had an interview with Steven Crowder on louder with Crowder that came out. I really can't believe that's the name of the show. It's it's also a terrible show. But it was pre-taped. Uh-huh. It was it was pre-taped. So it was prior to the AMA. Yeah.

Gotcha. And he's wearing the same outfit. So it's really right before. Yeah. Did he take a bite of an apple? He didn't know he was not nearly as fucked up. But so there there there's no real indications, no signs of him. And I was just imagining the worst and I didn't know how any of that was possible.

And I didn't think it was a real possibility. Right. But I was deeply concerned by it. But Alex called into his own show while I went. Oh, OK. All right. Oh, we know he's alive. We've got that much.

He's not like Don de Grand Prix. Do we need to start a website like the Abe Vagoda one? Like is Alex still alive? I don't know if we would ever know if he wasn't. Oh, that's a good point. But it's been really confusing and heavy for me trying to wrestle with the present day. And I've been trying to. I've been I've been reconsidering looking at things from different angles,

trying to figure out like Alex isn't on vacation. What is he doing? Right. Like could he have gone to rehab? Probably not. They probably wouldn't let him call into his own show from rehab. It's doubtful. I see that is working against his recovery.

Usually they make you like not have any contact with the outside world for at least seven days, especially your own propaganda radio show. That was a part of your addiction. So I think that's unlikely. But that's something that that was in my mind. I thought that was a possibility. Yeah. I also thought it was a possibility that he was finally getting that surgery for his big,

thick neck that he's talked about needing. Right, right. But I could use it. But I think that that's probably unlikely, too, because he just got that bicep surgery. And I don't know. Oh, OK. Any surgeon would allow you to do two surgeries in a week in different regions. But getting the neck surgery would essentially put him out, right?

He probably wouldn't be able to call in. Yeah, he wouldn't be able to record or even really speak at length for, what, three months? Maybe. But also, I think if that were the case, then they would be up front and say that that's what happened. They can announcement of it. Alex is getting that surgery. His life saving surgery that he needs. And I see no indication that that's the case.

I don't know what's going on. It very well possibly could just be legal shit. And he's been so preoccupied with all these lawsuits. Possible. Maybe it's gotten to a point where the lawsuits are so serious that his lawyers are advising him not to host his own show, lest he makes some sort of a mistake. If you saw him on that AMA, you would absolutely advise him. Right.

Don't get anywhere near a hot mic. You can call into your show for like two minutes and scream about the globalists. But that's it. Anything else could be a severe liability. I don't know. It's a weird situation for me to be in that I really don't know. But none of the possibilities look good. The only possibility that looks good is Alex took a surprise vacation.

Right. And I'll believe that shit for a second. Well, this is amazing, not just because the only person who could have filled in for him, should he take a long leave of absence, is the same person who just left him. Strongly disagree. Paul is not good without editing. Fair enough. So I don't think fair enough.

I just mean to say that his back bench decent star quality to him. His his his bench players are are not course going. But if they're not gone, they're not doing 50 points at night. I'll tell you that right now. David Knight asleep. They're not recovering from his heart attack supposed to man supposed to not be allowed to work still. Oh, hold on.

Whose music is playing right now? Oh, shit. Oh, I hear it. The man who can't put a photo up. Oh, right. John Rappaport comes in to save the day. I thought you said music. I thought you were going to go Lionel.

Lionel's two into QAnon. I don't think Alex and I don't think that's super tight at this point. I don't think that's going to go down. So yeah, man, I've just, you know, the present day, I've spent a lot of time that I have had available trying to trying to put together a present day episode. And I just can't do it. There's nothing to go over. Like I don't, do you want to listen to 10 clips of Owen Stroyer talk about how the

truth wins in the end? I don't want to do that. That's not a good show. I would like to hear one clip about how the truth wins in the end. Still not worth it. Okay. David Knight being smugly old. Do you want to hear that?

I don't. I had to listen to a lot of it already. I can tell you, you don't want to listen to it. I don't want it to be on our show. David Knight is the one who has the great beard though, right? He's a gray beard. I think he mispronounced that. David Knight is the one who is super boring.

No, no, no, no. I know, I know who he is. He looks old. I know who he is by boring reputation. I just don't know what he looks like. He does have a beard, a gray beard. It's not bad. All right.

Not terrible. Okay. So in addition to that, it's almost like everything is coming up bust roses. No, not roses. Whammy is everywhere. Just the thorns with no roses. You know, trying to find a new apartment whammy.

Right. I keep going to these goddamn places. What one of the places that I went to, I swear to God, the landlord was taking me up to see the apartment. I walked in. He's like, it's not great. Is it?

Why did you bring me here? Trying to talk me out of this. I'm a good salesman. Yeah. What he said was I'm a great salesman. Yeah. I gotta go. Yeah.

So like that is a whammy. Not great. The present day stuff. I think there's a big story in here, but it's really inaccessible to us. There's that. That's a whammy. Yeah.

So I went back into the past and tried to find a way to extend. Let's do a Sandy Hook Investigation episode. We can always do that. The past always exists. The past always exists. And Alex is in a fucking awful holding pattern. Yeah. In the end because.

Guns, guns, guns. Well, it's a lot of guns, but then on top of that we get to, we're going to go a little bit over the period from December 23rd to December 31st today. Okay. We're going to finish the year. Yeah.

2012 is done. And we're going to do it in pretty quick fashion. Right. Because there's not a lot going on. Metaphorically, December 21st was the end of the world. At least for this year on Alex's programming. Absolutely. Yeah.

It is a desert of ideas. It's a desert of interesting things. It's all gun shit. It's all they're coming to take your guns. So get ready to have a civil war because they're going to start it. Yeah. It's about killing, right? Sure.

Yeah. I mean, that's the underlying message of it. Right. Politically. Well, it's like, no, not even politically. He's saying that they're going to come and take your guns. And a certain number of you are going to kill the police that come to take your guns.

Well, that's just taken. That will start a civil war. That's just taken as red. And the civil war is what the globalists want. So that's why they're doing the gun grab to begin with to antagonize you into shooting cops, which will start a civil war. That's almost all he talks about repeatedly just over and over and over and over again for days.

I'm going to step in. I'm sitting here for 15 hours. Oh, that's not good listening to these episodes and just being like, oh, there's nothing. It's, it's, it's a dry zone anyway. I'm sorry. I interrupted you. I'm just saying that that may that's the first plan by the

globalists. That makes perfect sense. It's a, it's a multi-stage plan. It has a lot of bullet points. Let's put it that way on the PowerPoint presentation of that plan. At least not a bullet. At least it relies on like an accurate assessment of what the

other side will do if we do this. That is true. So I, but, but that's because it's a plan that Alex, it's a globalist plan written by Alex. So he knows what his buddies would do. Yeah. So that's why it reads a little bit more accurate than the when he just tries to write, you know, it's like a really

shitty male screenwriter writing bad female character. Right. That's Alex trying to write for the globalist. Of course. He does a terrible job thinking of what the cabal would do, but a great job thinking about weirdos with guns and how they would act. That is, he's really tied up tight with those guys.

Yeah. Oh yeah. So we're going to start on the 23rd and this is another piece of what Alex spends so much of his time for the next week of his show on and it's a zero. Um, on Thursday, I said to Kurt Nemo editor of info wars dot com. I said, I want you to do a story on these topics and I want

to put out a White House petition, which anybody can do to call for the deportation of Pierce Morgan. He did that Friday. It's in several thousand newspapers today. So Alex is called for Pierce Morgan to be deported because he's a gun grab and red coat son of a bitch. I have no team. No team.

No team. I'm going to sit this one. I'm going to let this one go. Yep. However the chips fall, let them as they make. I don't care about this at all. It's only interesting because Alex is singularly obsessed with this.

Yeah. He thinks it's in thousands of newspapers. It is not. No, no, no. Um, and then, uh, he spends so much time on this because Drudge reposted it. Yeah. So like Drudge reposted Alex's, um, you know, the, the,

Hey, you got to get this petition to deport Pierce Morgan. Everyone else starts picking it up because it's on Drudge. Yeah. But Alex gets really mad about how no one credits info wars. And it's like, Hey, there's a petition to Morgan. He's like, no one says that I did it. But it's cool. The message is getting out there, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah. How many, which country would you most like Pierce Morgan deported from? I don't know, man, from America. I mean, right? I mean, he's from America. He lives in America. But he, anybody can live in America.

You got to deport him from a better country. He has to live in the country first before to get deported from it. He lived in the EU. Right. But he doesn't know he's, he's got dual citizenship. So in order to answer your question, you're requiring me to choose a new home for Pierce Morgan.

So that he may be deported. All right. Uh, Tanzania, Tanzania. I was going to go with Portugal, Madagascar, Madagascar. You can't even be deported from there. They have marsupials. Yep. Yep.

Aha, I have stumped your question. Airtight argument. Absolutely. They have marsupials. So a couple of days after this, um, Alex realizes how much press and how much buzz marketing he's gotten out of starting a change.org petition to deport Pierce Morgan. Um, and so he does another one, uh, to get, uh, treason charges

filed against, um, uh, Fine Stein, Diane. Really? Yeah. That's going to be a tough one to win. Again, I don't have a backer on this one. I think I'm, I think I'm going to let this one play out. It's really fascinating to me that he, he's, uh, he's trying to get these treason charges for Fine Stein and like whatever.

I'll tell you right now, I'm not a fan Stein. That's fine. That's fine. All right. Um, he, different spelling. He, uh, he, Alex keeps insisting that he's going to do like a big expose on his own. And he never really does, except for insinuating that she murdered

her ex-husbands, which is all right. That, that's not number one in what I would go with. Could be worse though. Right. Right. I feel like if he murdered her ex-husbands, it's a sad display of like she does insider trading, but then doesn't really get specific about any of the details.

Insinuating that she helped, uh, the son of Sam killer. No, that's not the son of Sam. Who was it? There was another one. So many. She helped some serial killer. The Zodiac. That's it.

Is she the Zodiac? She might be. I don't know. She could be. So could Ted Cruz. A lot of senators could be the Zodiac. She helped Ted Cruz back in the day. Yeah.

Um, so that's fun. So that, I think that he's just recently discovered change.org petitions and their potential to be used as like weapons of publicity. Yeah. Yeah. And so he, like the end of 2012 is Chocoblock with him doing that.

Just a bunch of change.org position. It's crazy. So that's on the 23rd and then the Feinstein one is towards the end of the year, but we're not going to listen to him talk about it. Cause it's basically just the same thing. Just replace Pierce Morgan with Diane Feinstein. It would be ironic if Barack Obama's change.org idea of if you

get a hundred thousand people, I will respond to this regardless if one of those was Alex Jones would like to kick out Pierce Morgan. That would be fantastic. Yeah. Did he get, he didn't get a hundred thousand, right? I think he did. Did Obama respond to it?

I don't know. I don't remember. Look, we're going to see how this plays out. Okay. Okay. You know, I mean like it's whatever happens is going to happen on the show. I know.

I would just like a YouTube address, a documented YouTube address from Obama saying, no, no. There's zero chance that if Obama does address it, that Alex doesn't talk about that for a week. Okay. If Obama doesn't address it, there's no way Alex doesn't talk about that for a month. Agreed.

So we'll know shortly what ends up happening. But so that was on the 23rd and then the 24th, 25th and 26th, Alex is out for Christmas break. Yeah. And so when he comes back, it's just all guns all the time. Just fucking gun, gun, gun, gun, gun. They come to take guns, be very afraid. And it's just a normal Alex Jones show.

It is. It's just business as usual. Yeah. It could be 2012. It could be 2015. It could be 2009. Right. It really doesn't matter the surrounding context other than

he's panicked. He's really afraid about them taking the guns. Like he's, there's an intensity to it. Yeah. But it doesn't really. So if you play the context doesn't matter. If you played the clip for me, I wouldn't be able to guess the timestamp.

It would be like this could be now. This could be 10 years ago. Probably not now given last week. Oh, that's a good point. And the fact that Alex is not in studio anymore. That would make it difficult. That would make it difficult for him now. Yeah.

But yeah, it could be almost, it could be many, many different times in his career. And it's just, it's weird to listen to because it's like the rest of the world is having a conversation about Sandy Hook and like how important that was for, for people. And Alex is not like there's very little about that actual event, which is again, why we're looking back at this period of time to see his coverage of it.

It's all just the like, so if Sandy Hook is a, he's talking about C and D, which is the perceived gun grab is C. And then the civil war that would be triggered because of this potential gun grab. Well, of course. As being D. Globalist. He's not talking about the actual event.

And I think some of it is because it is incredibly painful. To be honest, there's a certain part of me that is relieved by that. Me too. Because while doing the show, like when he did talk about it, it is so fucking shameful and harmful. Yeah. It's a bummer.

That like I, even now while you're playing those clips and we know what the dates are, we know how close this is to Sandy Hook actually happening. And you can act, you can listen to this and forget. You can forget that it happened only a short while ago. Right. Because we don't live in that time. You can easily forget while he's yelling about Piers Morgan

needs to be deported. Exactly. Like that. You forget like the backdrop of this is everyone else is still mourning and grieving. Right. And having to go into a holiday season with that weighing over their hearts.

Some families are celebrating their first holiday after the worst thing imaginable has happened to them. Yeah. So like that is a real cultural moment that's happening. And it's barely captured on his show. Not at all. Which is interesting. I do agree with you that I think that it's somewhat comforting

because it would, it weren't there. It would be awful. If we were to do a Sandy Hook investigation where every show was just the worst shit that he's ever, like a greatest hits of awful things that he said about Sandy Hook, it would be a devastating. I think we're going to get there. Probably. I think we are.

But it also is. 2013. But it's also kind of interesting because Alex, like in the present day does say like I talked about it and then I moved on to other stuff. Yeah. That's kind of accurate. No, he's not terribly wrong there.

Yeah. I don't think it's a good defense. It is not a defense because we've already heard him on the 19th suggests that the father was an actor. We've already had him suggest very heavily that he believes that the government did this. Right. They, you know, went in and killed all the kids and used Adam Lanza as a

patsy. Yeah. But on this December 27th episode, we get the first time that Alex makes a really full-throated declaration about what he thinks about Sandy Hook. But it's pretty much most of the coverage of it in the episode. Oh, okay. It's really one of the rare moments that it comes up. Okay.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Okay. Then you get this shooter, a convicted murderer. Just the tip? Kills his grandmother with a hammer in the 80s. They let him go. He steals a Bushmaster and goes and shoots firefighters. Does anybody believe that?

Yes. Just like two people are seen running away from the scene in Sandy Hook. And then you find a guy shot in the head and side. You go have a drill. You shoot your mental patient patsy in the head. You get out. I mean, this is the oldest. This is a false flag.

This is Operation Gladio. You don't know what that is, media. Go look it up. We did. We talked about it. Oh, boy. So, yeah. That's the harshest or at least the most concrete statement that he's

made. This is a false flag. Right. He's still not committing in any way to the actor's idea that he's already suggested and brought up. He's not getting too crazy with the conspiracies over the course of these days. The developers don't seem super interested in talking about Sandy Hook.

They just want to talk about the coming civil war that the globalists are trying to kick off. Of course. So, he's doing a good job of corralling conversation in that direction, which I, again, I think is really interesting. I think the worst thing about America in that clip is when he says, do you really think somebody would just still grab a Bushmaster and start killing firefighters?

Someone who tried to kill his mom with a hammer years ago? Maybe. In 2019? Yes. Unequivocally, yes. I do think that could be a headline tomorrow. Sure. And it wouldn't surprise you, right?

Probably not. In 2012, I don't know if it would have surprised you too much. I mean, you would believe that it happened. Yeah, for sure. You'd believe it happened. It might have been more shocking, perhaps. It would absolutely be more shocking. Even in 2012, you wouldn't have the response of like, bullshit.

Right. Right. We've already had enough mass shootings in 2012. Alex might have that response. Right. Right. It's all a false flag. Right.

But that's because he's a dumb, dumb. That's true. So at this point in all of the time since the day of Sandy Hook, all of Alex's guests have been just gun propagandist weirdos. They have all been people who have either financial ties to the NRA, people who work for gun manufacturers. People like Larry Pratt has been on twice from gun owners for America, the advocacy group that's the more extreme NRA.

Yeah. Stewart Rhodes from the Oath Keepers has been on twice. Like all of these people who are just gun people have been on. But none of them have had weird ideas about Sandy Hook. Right. All of Alex's guests up till this point have been people who have either expressed condolences. This is really sad or tried to deflect into gun talking.

It really is true, isn't it? That's a little bit like every single person agrees the worst thing that we could do is address this correctly. Because that breaks apart so many of our narratives. There's still infowars guests. So they still have that to protect. Fair enough. But the reason I bring that up is that Alex likes to say that other

people were bringing him these ideas. Yeah. And so far we've seen no evidence of that. No. We've seen only Alex letting his own mind wander and responding to maybe a blog he saw or something like that to get him to this is fake. And then you hear him like in that, like this is the oldest

thing in the book. This is gladio. This is exactly what they do. That's not taken from someone else. That's his quote unquote research. Right. That leads him to that. So his attempts to pin this on other people and be like, all

these other people poisoned by mine, it falls on deaf ears to me. Right. Not just that, but his other instigators are his actual callers. So they're reinforcing, they're creating that same feedback loop of he says something crazy and they're like, yeah, I know. I heard it was this with no, you didn't hear anything. Or you might have heard it from Alex.

Yeah. Well, exactly. Yeah. They heard from Alex saying two people running away from the school get caught. But now, you know, callers are going to call in and repeat that back to Alex. It reinforces the talking point when that's not reality.

Absolutely. Yeah. So we finally on this 27th, December 27th, 2012 episode, we finally get a guest who is bringing Alex some weirdness. And that is Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network. Right. He sucks. I told you this before and I'll say it again.

All you need to know about Doug Hagman is that currently in 2019, one of the regular guests on his broadcast is Coach Dave Dobbinmeyer. Oh, you need to know about him. I'm going to call him rug manhag from now on. I'm, I have more to say about him, but I'm going to save it for another day to do a deep dive on him. We're going to do a whole manhag episode.

Maybe because he does have a lot of content out there that's available. So we got a wacky Wednesday. So much of it is so boring. That's a ton of it. It's very boring. Yeah, but that happens. It does with these guys a lot of the time.

I'm looking at you, Alan Watt. But Doug Hagman comes on. Do you mean the famous? No, no, no. That's the plural. Oh, that's different. Okay. Sorry.

Yeah. And Don de Grand Prix still dead. So Doug Hagman comes on and he pretends that he has a Department of Homeland Security source. Sure. Who's telling him that Sandy Hook isn't what it appears to be. And by the way, Alex, according to my DHS source, expect more, expect at least one more to really solidify this sentiment

against these ugly, bad, scary... So what your source is saying they staged it? My source would not go to that level. Your source sucks. Even if he was trying to lead you in a real direction that's... Which he wasn't. No, but that's a dumb source. Was the DHS even involved with the investigation?

There's no way they were, right? I would imagine some parts of it might have been looped in. Really? I think it's possible. Yeah. I think it's outside of their jurisdiction, right? I would assume that there is a Homeland Security aspect to it. I think I could see a compelling argument for,

especially in the early points of it, when you're not sure the nature of the attack or anything like that. And you think there are forest people? Well, and... People coming out of the forest. Oh, yeah. Not forest people. No, no, no.

It's not the green children. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And that, I think one of the issues that's gotten us in so much trouble in the past, in terms of these sorts of things, is the interdepartment inability to communicate with each other. Right. And so the idea that someone was looped in from DHS,

even if they're not actively involved, like if there is a piece of DHS that's communicating with the FBI that's doing the investigation, they have ears on it and stuff like that. And that was part of the whole 9-11... 9-11 autopsy is... Sure. We didn't communicate enough with our organizations together.

So that's possible. And I think... I don't disagree. I think a ton of other examples exist beyond even 9-11 at times when, if just people were talking to each other, a lot of trouble could have been avoided. Right, right, right. Now, I'm not positive that that was going on after Sandy Hook,

but I would like to think it was. I think like the salary negotiations on friends, like if they were talking to each other more... If there was oversight, if only, then Gunter could have got his dude. God damn it! Gunter! One of the great, great injustices of our time.

I have never intentionally watched an episode of Friends. I don't think I have either. Yep. So that brings us to the end of the 27th. There's really not much there. Although it is very much of note that Doug Hagman is the first person to enter Alex's world. You mean Rug Hagman?

That's right. Or Rugman Hag? Rugman Hag. Rugman Hag. Yes. He is the first person to enter Alex's world as supposedly real source, who's telling him Sandy Hook doesn't add up, baby.

So he is patient zero, at least from the publicly facing part of InfoWars, the radio show itself, of someone who is leading Alex in some way. Because nobody has pretended to have an inside source yet. Not yet. And this is our first... Yeah.

Doug Hagman. Gotcha. So we go to the 28th. Yeah. Like the present day in 2019, Alex Jones is a wall. But it's planned. Mike Adams is hosting the first two and a half hours of the show because Alex is behind the scenes...

The health ranger? The health ranger. Alex is behind the scenes working hard on special investigative research. I don't think he is. He's not. It leads him to his declaration that Dianne Feinstein needs to be accused of treason. So that's the big reveal once Alex does get on air and it's fucking disappointing as shit.

But it's not as disappointing as listening to the health ranger. He is bad. Yeah, he's not great. Even in 2012 he's stunk. Dear Germany, we will exchange a Feinstein for a Ramstein. Du Haast. Yep. So, um...

So... Dianne. Dianne Feinstein. Can't quite hit the meter. No, it's not there. So Mike Adams starts the show and one of his guests is a guy who runs a Glock outlet. So our gun guest sort of stuff continues. Yeah.

Makes total sense. Yeah. Mike Adams is also a huge gun guy. So it also makes sense that he's there filling in. I really don't think you can be a health ranger and a huge gun guy. Right? Like that doesn't seem... It's weird.

That's ironic. It's weird. Mike is a man who contains multitudes. Fair. Fair enough. Bad health advice. Bad gun advice. There we go.

Bad broadcast. Bad health advice all across the board. But so he has the Glock guy on and I'm like, that's totally cool. I get it. I mean, it's not cool, but I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It runs the exact pattern of all of these people. You get it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he says who his second guest is and I'm like, I don't quite understand this. Dianne Feinstein. We've also got Kelly O'Mara, the author of Psyched Out, joining us to talk about the dangers of psychiatric drugs. Okay. So Kelly O'Mara, the author of Psyched Out. Isn't she the...

No, she's not the doctor who's no longer allowed to be a doctor. No, that's Rebecca Corey. Right. Right, right, right. I didn't know who this was. So I was like, I got to look into this. Got to see what this Kelly O'Mara is up to. Of course.

That's a Dan response. So Kelly O'Mara is an author who wrote the book Psyched Out and then the colon. How psychiatry sells mental illness and pushes pills that kill. Oh, I thought it was more about like how... Like a hybrophic? No, like how a crowd will hit those boomsticks together while somebody's shooting free throws. Or a Vuvuzela? Yeah, a Vuvuzela.

That's a great Psyched Out. So she's not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Surprise. Surprise. She does have a bachelor's of science and political science from the University of Maryland, which puts her way ahead of most infowars guests. I will give her that. Her bio repeated verbatim on tons of websites claims that she was a congressional staffer

for four different members of Congress, but nowhere do they ever say who they are. But I'm guessing that they were whoever the four craziest people in Congress were at any given time. That's my guess. I have no idea. That's Senator James Inhoff, his speechwriter coming back 20 years later and saying that it's Barbara Streisand. Sure.

Perfect. The primary outlet that she reported for in her career was Insight Magazine. Insight ran from 1985 to 2008, but what the magazine is probably best remembered for is being the first ones to report the completely fabricated story that Barack Obama had studied for at least four years at an Islamic madrasa in Indonesia. All right. They alleged that someone in the Clinton campaign had provided them with that story, but the Clinton campaign was real quick to say, leave us alone.

We didn't do that shit. Right. We didn't say that. We did a lot of bad shit. Not that one. I would say that it's entirely possible. It's within my world of believability to say that someone from the Clinton campaign did give them that story.

Not impossible. I agree. It has not let Insight off the hook for not checking the story before running with it. Absolutely not. Yeah. I wouldn't put it past the shittiness of that 2008 campaign to involve trying to use the conservative media as a weapon. Yeah.

No, we're on a good, like what now? It's 2019, so we're on a good 12 years of the Clinton campaign staffers being shitheads. I mean, I don't know. I'm not saying that they did, obviously. I'm just saying that if someone were to give me evidence that they did, I wouldn't say this is fake news. Dear Politico, I think Bernie's a bad guy. So that was Insight who put that out in the 2008 campaign and it's lingered.

The claim was thoroughly debunked, but it's still around in the world of right wing propaganda that Obama studied for four years at an Islamic madrasa. I know that for sure I've heard Alex at least allude to it fairly recently if memory serves me correctly. And he refers to it as if it's something real. Whatever the reality about their story, their sourcing for the story is, this should illustrate an important point about how huge the holes are that Insight has in their editorial process. Oh, also Insight Magazine is owned by Reverend Sun Young Moon.

There it is! The head of the Mooney cult. You said Reverend what? Yep. He owns a magazine? Well, he also owns the Washington Times. Really? Yeah.

Reverend Sun Young Moon. That makes perfect sense. Along with the Washington Times and Insight, those were the cornerstones of Reverend Sun Young Moon's infiltration into right wing media and right wing journalism. That's bananas. It is pretty nuts. So it gets more nuts. Okay.

Galliomera didn't just write for Insight. She was also a contributor for the Citizens' Commission on Human Rights. With a name like that, we know we're dealing with a straight up organization. Ha! All those words are really good. Ha! Human rights are great. Center for American Progress.

A commission implies collaboration, right? And Citizens implies this is an organization of the people, not the fat cats. Indeed. And I think it also implicitly as a right wing news source excludes people of color. The CCHR was founded by the Church of Scientology in 1969. No! Nail it! It seems to exist.

Put it on the board! Just as a front group for the Church to whitewash their extremist anti-psychology messages. Of course! Of course! A search of the CCHR's website turns up 33 pages of articles written by Galliomera. And perhaps most importantly, articles written by her for CCHR dating back to before December 2012 when this episode is from. By that point, Insight had folded and she was working for a straight up Scientology-funded

anti-psychiatry propaganda organization. Well, the original name was the cchlronhubbard.com. I believe that's what it was. CCHR. I like that. So I'm generally not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and I try to engage with people regardless of their affiliations. But even I have to concede that I think it's disqualifying for anyone who wants to present

themselves as a sincere critic of the psychiatric establishment to work for the Church of Scientology. Yeah, you lose. That's not good. You lose that one. Apparently, Mike Adams has different standards and is thrilled to have this lady on as a guest to talk about how psychmads are super dangerous. My biggest issue for the Church of Scientology. My biggest issue with psychmads is that they discount sex magic as a legitimate psychiatric

practice. They keep the Theitans... Gotta keep them Theitans doing up or down whichever. Yeah. So I thought that was great. You know, it's one of those things. It's like all these guests are gone people. You have somebody who's now bringing...

Because they talk about the psych stuff too. You know, they talk about how these are suicide pills and Adam Lanza wouldn't have done this if it weren't for the video games and the pills that he's on and stuff like that. But they don't really have any guests on who can back that up. It's just claims and assertions that Alex is making, claiming that he's read studies. So now finally they get somebody on and are like, what's up with her? What's up with her? She works for Scientology.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime... It's so easy. Anytime you're getting people on where it's like, oh, they're not climate scientists. They're not doctors. They're not anybody with an expertise in their field. There's somebody with a degree in political science. That's more like, oh, you have a degree in lying to people.

I will say that though, I mean, she's like... For whatever it's worth, I'm not sure that this is positive necessarily, but she seems pretty passionate about this. Like, she's written articles about this stuff for years. So whatever it is, it's a hustle that she's on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not just like... Because I was gonna say like, well, if you don't have someone who's like an expert in the field

and went to school for it and made a career out of it, then they're an opportunist. Right. I don't think that she's an opportunist. I think that she probably sincerely believes these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's also like, I can't find hard evidence that she is a Scientologist. Gotcha. Though I will say, like writing for the CCHR for years, it heavily implies that you are.

I suspect that Scientology pays well to do propaganda for them. Totally. Yeah. So either, I think there's two possibilities. One, either she is a Scientologist and then she has a religious belief that psychiatry is evil. Possible. Or she's not a Scientologist and has written for this Scientology think tank,

essentially, for at least seven years? Five, seven years? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And sees fit to like... She has to know that it's the Church of Scientology that's behind this organization. Right. And that they have a religious belief that psychiatry is evil. Right, right, right.

Which if you were serious, you wouldn't want to be associated with. Hmm. I would say. That's just my take. I mean, everybody needs to have butter on the bread, Dan. I hear you. So that can happen. Land the metaphor.

People know where bread is buttered. There you go. She knows bread is buttered by Scientologists. And who cares where? Who cares where? What, are you just buttering the crusts? No, you can't just butter the crusts. Look, if she wanted to take a crust buttering job, she could have her own blog.

She needs the full expanse, man. Yeah. So that's weird, but also so like, it's just perfectly like this is info wars. Simple. Ta-da. Yep. So there's not much talk about Sandy Hook. I mean, Mike Adams says that he believe like, he's perpetuating the, this was only

handguns in the school, the Bushmaster rifle was left in the car. And the reason that I'm not playing that is because he is operating off bad reporting. He plays an NBC clip where they have bad early information and they say that the rifle was in the car as opposed to once all the information was out. We know that the shotgun was in the car. The rifle was found within the school. Right. So this reporter on NBC news is saying that the rifle wasn't in the school.

It was in the car and there were only handguns in the school. So I'm giving like Adams a good bit of leeway at this point. An insane bit of well, he's, but I accept that he's wrong, but he's reporting on misreporting. Yes. So at least there's the, that you're right. I think that credit where credit is due if it's due. Well, I mean, there's so many times when you, when I listen to this stuff and they never

show their homework or anything like that. And when Mike is in there, he's making this like argument that goes a bad direction. Yeah. Because it does end up in there being multiple shooters and stuff like that. Yeah. Um, because there were four handguns. You only have two hands. Fair.

Fair. Unless you're an octopus. That's a good argument. Right. No, it's not, but that's how he extrapolates the misreporting of NBC. Yeah. But if he did play the clip where on NBC news, they did save that. Right.

So at least he has a defensible position for sure. Yeah. Can I just say that I am bad reporting. I am always frustrated that, uh, when people bring up Bush master, they are talking about a gun and not just crocodile dandy. It is a very frustrating experience for me. I had this whole episode to play for you because Alex brings up the real crocodile dandy about 40 fucking times.

Yeah. What? Yeah. Cause it's cause he's a bush master. No. It's because Alex's narrative about the real crocodile dandy, which we've talked about and there's an episode of the dollop about you can go listen to. Yeah.

He's a fucking lunatic. Yeah. Alex's argument is like they tried to come take his guns and he shot some cops and then they killed him. And I was like, but there's a whole beginning to that story that you're missing. There's more to that story. Yes. And then repeatedly as an example of this is what they do.

Yeah. This is how the gun grabbers work. Yeah. And it's just, it's, it's shit. Oh boy. So we go on to the 30th now. And again, not a ton about Sandy Hook. Right.

Not a lot that's interesting to our investigation. Right. Just tons of me having to listen to this shit. Yeah. Um, but I'm glad I did cause this clip is interesting. Okay. On, uh, Rogan's show, uh, recently when Alex came back on Joe Rogan's podcast, I remember he told a little story about Satanists trying to recruit him back when he was a kid.

They did. And he fucked. Uh-huh. I believe that was the thrust of his story. No, there was more thrusting than that. As you recall. Nice. That underage girl was being abused by her father.

Yeah. They, they shared in, uh, in Alex's telling of the story on Rogan. Right. I've never heard him tell that story on his own show. Oh, we're about to get. Oh shit. Oh shit. This is from seven years ago.

Let's get it in. Alex. Let's get it in. We finally found it. Here we go. Satanism. Satanism. Ladies and gentlemen.

I, and I've told this story before, would get taken out to a bond party, a, a, a, a, a bond fire party. Do you think it's possible that this is one of the times he did crack? Like cause he, he has talked about being out like on a beach doing crack with attractive girls and stuff like that. He did not know he was talked about being out on a beach doing crack. I thought he was doing coke. Meth, I think.

Oh, he's doing meth. It was something he smoked. That's a very different thing. He smoked something. It was either crack or meth. I'm not entirely sure. What if it was PCP? No, it wasn't PCP.

Okay. Um, it's entirely possible that these are the same story because it's, it involves hot girls and a bond fire, outdoorsy kind of thing. Right. It's possible. That just dawned on me. Anyway, sorry to interrupt the story. No, you're good.

Our boy is at a bond fire. As a teenager and it would be Satanist and I would literally one case walked out cause they wouldn't give me a ride out of there. With police at it, you name it. For whatever reason, I got invited into all that over and over again. And let me tell you, you're 13 years old and the super good looking 16 year old chick, you know, driving a $100,000 sports car wants to take you out on a date. Believe me, buddy, you go out on the date.

I was like a 16 year old when I was 13. They're fucking cool. I was already drinking beer. This fights the hard yards. I think that's what attracted the Satanist to me because I was a powerful person. The point is, is that I'm one of the few people and talk radio that I know of who's ever even brushed up against this, but that's the reason I know about it. And now I know that was all part of a pilgrim's progress that I went through.

Nice reference. So there's some, have you ever read a pilgrim's progress? Yeah, but there's, there's some differences between Alex's 2019 version of the story and this 2012 version of the story. There's no sex involved in this version of the story. There's no incestuous relationships that he has become aware of. No, no dad fucking his daughter for sure. There's just a bonfire that he had to walk home from.

Also, I love the idea like this mental image is so funny to me. The idea of people inviting Alex to parties and every time he shows up, God damn it, it's more Satanist. How do I keep getting tricked by these Satanist parties? I keep going to parties cause I'm a social guy. I'm 13, but I look 16 and I like to party. I've had fist fights. I drink beer.

I have behavioral disorders. I like to go to parties. Ah, more Satanist shit. Like, like, like the Craigslist misconnections where the guy is a cannibal and he's like, Hey, I'm looking for somebody to eat you. And then you show up and he's like, Oh, no, you don't want to eat. Oh, fuck. God damn it.

I've been doing this for like 40 times and we're just, we're just hanging out. Bullshit. Bullshit. I imagine it more like an entire like group prank that they're like, we're going to fuck with this kid repeatedly. He has, he has behavioral issues. God, that would be hilarious. Like you get a, like just put on a wig and invite him to a party cause you've already

invited him into a party before he's going to recognize you, but not with a wig. Put on a wig, uh, where black go golf, whatever, invite him to a party. He's going to come and then bada bing. We're all Satanists. He's going to be disappointed. I'm going to say this right now. Interviews with those people are what is going to propel our documentary to Oscar winning level. I think it's going to be hard cause I don't think they exist.

I feel like that interview is going to be tough. Oh, that is going to be tough. Yeah. Um, when you invited Alex to your parties, were you fucking with him about being a Satanist? Oh, I bet we could get that interview. But like in terms of interviews with real Satanists that tried to recruit Alex. Oh yeah. No, that's not going to happen.

I think that roster might be thin. That's not going to happen. It's interesting though that this has been- Is Aleister Crowley dead? Yes. Oh, okay. Great beast has passed. Well, you're doing a great job.

Thank you. He's hanging out with Don de Grand Prix. I do think it's interesting though that he's maintained this as a story that he's told about himself for so many years. It is. And I think the end of that clip is exactly why it's retained as a piece of his personal story. Because he believes it gives him this like authenticity that other radio hosts-

Other radio hosts have never experienced that, have never rushed up against this. Touched Satanism so they don't know it's real. So I got to one up on them. Absolutely. I know what the real reality is as opposed to their manufactured bullshit reality. I know that there are Satanists out there who want me to come to their parties. And I'm fucking tired of it. I had to walk home once.

I feel like Satanist parties are so much better than regular parties though. I would assume so. I mean, fucking do with that will? That's a good party. That's the extent of the house rules. At the same time, if you're 13, I don't think you should be at that party. I'm not saying that there's an agent- I don't think you should be at any adult party when you're 13.

That is a really good point. I think even the most benign of adult parties, you should probably not have 13-year-olds at. Yeah, yeah. What is this? The 70s? Right. All right. It's a very Satanistic time in the 70s.

It was a lot of ignoring children and letting them have parties where you're drunk. So we have one more clip left and it's from the 31st. And I think it should give a demonstration of Alex's headspace. He's been really doom and gloom for like this entire week. Just real serious. They're coming to take the guns. This is code red. Relevant to our current times.

Right. And to a certain extent, he is, I believe, trying to antagonize someone in his audience to do something. I think that there's a- Like, do you really think he's trying to get somebody to cause a- I struggle with that question. And it's one of the things- Because that's a big one.

Yeah. I don't know. It feels like, yes. It feels like he is- It really feels like that. But I don't know how much of it's conscious. Like, I wouldn't accuse him of intentionally trying to get someone to cause a shooting or something like that.

Right. But it is- It is a big sort of logical extension of his rhetoric that he's putting into the world. Like, they're coming to take your guns. If that is the truth and that's going to kick off a civil war, why wait for that to happen when you could have- Preemptive strike. When you could have the upper hand.

Yeah. Or whatever. I mean, it is easy for one of his listeners to hear that. And then the other piece that is important to me is that if someone were to do that, were to like go shoot up something inspired by this sort of- The end is coming. They're going to put us in camps kind of rhetoric. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It would help Alex because then his arguments that there's going to be copycats- Yeah. Doug Hagman saying there's going to be more- Well, that's what I was about to ask you is, do you think Rugg Hagman- Man Hag has the same intent there? So we know- I don't know. So your argument is that Alex consciously or unconsciously?

I lean more towards unconscious but anything is possible. Right. So he's kind of unconsciously instigating. Whereas Rugg Man Hag seems to be aware of his narrative. Do you think he's instigating? I don't know. I don't know. Like we don't have enough-

I don't spend as much time with him. We don't have enough Rugg Man Hag. I get that. I've listened to plenty of him but I really not enough to even second guess his intentions. And I don't- That question of intention is so important because if Alex is intentionally trying to rile up his audience in such a way that they will go attack somebody, that's really, really fucked up. If he's accidentally doing it, it's still super fucked up. Super fucked up.

But it's not like- Legally actionable? Well, I mean, nothing he's doing is illegal. It's not- Technically. Yeah, technically. Spiritually? Yeah.

For sure. Yeah. I don't like it for sure. But all those arguments like Rugg Man Hag is saying, you know, there's going to be another. And Alex saying there's going to be copycats and stuff like that. Right. If Alex's rhetoric does inspire somebody to go out and do a shooting, that validates the rhetoric that he's been putting out that there's going to be more- Right.

That's shared by this killing because the media hyped it so much. Right. That sort of thing. And then further, inevitably, the person who did it would have internet history with tons of infowars on it. Right. So the media would report on that and he'd be like, they're trying to demonize me before they take the guns. He'd be back to Mayak report level shift. It would tightly sew up so much of the narratives that he's been putting forth.

Now, that still doesn't make it convincing in my mind that he's doing it intentionally. But the elements are all there of there is no real downside for him if he doesn't care about people getting hurt. Right. What's the... He doesn't seem to care too much about people getting hurt. What's the Latin? Quibono? Quibono. Is that what it is?

He has a shirt that says that. He has every monetary incentive for this to occur. Like, I can't imagine putting myself in a place where the best circumstance for... Like with gun manufacturers, like at the end of the day, when a mass shooting happens, their sales go up immensely. Totally. And when Mike Adams is interviewing that guy from Glock, they even talk about that, how sales are off the charts and stuff like that. Right. So I can't imagine...

But they're talking about it in the context of like, isn't it great that more Americans have guns? When in reality, it's probably the same... Maybe a couple more people getting guns, but largely, mostly the same people getting more guns. A lot more guns, yeah. That seems to be what I would assume the numbers reflect. I mean, what is it? They're open about it. 1% of gun owners own 75% of guns. I'm sure that's not accurate, but it's close.

Something along those lines. It's spiritually in the ballpark. It's something along those lines. Yeah, yeah. Not to be regressive. Wow. They're totally aware of it and totally open about that phenomenon and almost celebratory of it. Yeah. Hiding behind the idea of more Americans are getting guns isn't great.

Right. When in reality, what they're celebrating is we've made a shit ton of money since this killing. Exactly. And it, yeah. Which is heartbreaking on its own level. It is. But still, none of it proves intentionality. And I think that's important because it would be very easy to hear the things I'm saying and get the idea that I'm making an accusation.

And I'm not. I'm just saying that the dynamics that are at play right now, everything Alex is doing is super dangerous. Even if he's not saying that these people at Sandy Hook are actors or anything like that, the other stuff that he's jumped into, the civil war is imminent. They're going to take your guns, that sort of stuff is just as dangerous. Yeah. There's no, there's no DNA evidence, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Yeah.

And even the quibono argument doesn't really, it doesn't help me solidify. He does. He does. I didn't mean that as an argument. So much is just like an observation. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. No.

And totally, I think you're right. The problem is that he stands to gain no matter what happens because if he makes these arguments and one of the listeners does that, then things could play out the way I described. Or if nobody does anything great, because there aren't more shootings and stuff like that. Yeah. Alex can then be like, we stopped it. Right. Yeah. Don't come and take the guns.

He's like, if I didn't put, if I wasn't the watchman on the wall screaming my lungs out about coming to take the guns, they would have my behavior stopped the thing that I was making you afraid of, right? You're welcome. So he wins no matter what happens with this game that he's playing. It's kind of incredible how good a position he is in in 2012 as he is doing such monstrous things. Or at least defensible position. Like he's behind a wall of plausible deniability about stuff. Right. Well, and more importantly, his profile is so much lower.

Do you know? Yeah. And he's starting to get much higher because he's trying to get Piers Morgan deported and trying to get Nancy. Oh, not Nancy Pelosi. He's not mad at her yet. Diane Feinstein. I'm mad at her. Treason charges.

Even in 2012, I'm mad at Nancy Pelosi. Right. He's doing these publicity stunts that are going pretty well for him. And then also he's going to inevitably run afoul of good taste vis-à-vis Sandy Hook. Good taste is an understatement. He's going to make those legendary fumbles about it. And that will raise his profile up ton. So, yeah, he is in this sort of safe space to a certain extent at this point because he is.

Which is, of course, something that reinforces his decisions up until 2016, 2017, where it's like, well, I am in a position where I am probably saying things that are somewhat legally actionable. Right. But nobody's really, like, people are paying attention, but not enough people to cause me harm. You know? Yeah. So, he's, and we've talked about this so much in 2009 episodes, in 2015 episodes. He is so unencumbered in 2012.

Like, he's just saying this dumb shit with no fear of reprisal. No fear of reprisal, though unencumbered doesn't seem right. I don't know if he could ever be unencumbered. He does seem to be on a track, for sure. Like, there's still something there that is, like, harnessing him to this severe paranoia gun narrative stuff. But that's been his entire career. Right. And he's been going on and on about how, like, they're coming for the guns.

It's going to be a civil war, all that stuff. Of course. And so on the 31st, New Year's Eve. Yeah! Here we go. Now, this is when he celebrates the birth of Christ, I assume. No, that, that was a week before. Oh, okay.

Generally speaking. I'm off on my Christian holidays. May all acquaintance be forgotten, never brought to mind, all lang-zined, you know. Most people get drunk and they're like, all the cares of last year are behind us, onto a better future. Absolutely. Generally speaking, there's an aspirational... Three wise men, old lang-zined. That's a week before.

Oh, okay. Sorry. There is an aspirational quality to New Year's Eve for most people. You know, you make your resolutions. I want to lose some weight. I want to get back to being active. Get a diet. Alex is the exact opposite.

Here is what he has to say. I want to hit a man with a brick. Here's what he has to say on New Year's Eve, 2012. Here we are going headlong into 2013. And just as I in late November published the InfoWars magazine saying Obama is coming for your guns, the new issue says 2013, the year America dies as a republic. This will be the year that they gut the entire Bill of Rights and Constitution. Let all acquaintance be...

100%. This will be the year they slit our collective throats from ear to ear. Across the carotids. Politically. Across the jugulars. Ladies and gentlemen, this is it. Let all acquaintance be... Happy New Year.

We're all going to have our throats slit. He didn't even say politically. I did. He was speaking literally apparently. That is a delightful New Year's message. 2013 is definitely going to be the year America dies. The Bill of Rights is gone and they're going to slit all our throats and carotids and jugulars. I'm not going to lie to you.

That's a bummer. My New Year's message for about four years running has always been goodbye to a shitty year and hello to a shitty New Year. I'm fine with his analysis. No. I think he's a bummer. No. He's being too specific. But then also even your New Year's message as gloomy as it is, there's still a moving on aspect of it.

Like last year was shitty. This year's going to be shitty too. But it's still saying goodbye to last year. That's true. There is a difference to that where this is... I knew this was all coming. It's continuing. And this is the year we're all dead.

We're all dead this year. For somebody who hates the 12-21 theory to be like, haha, I caught you. It was actually 113. I think he just kind of got really excited about being right about that, not being the end of the world. He's like, now I'm going prediction happy. 2013, we are fucked. It is over. We're getting our throat slit.

And he says 100%. This is not a willy-nilly prediction. He is really feeling that. No, no, no. So it didn't happen. I mean, no. Are you sure? Positive.

At this point in 2019, positive. How's your throat? Intact. Okay. Well, then I guess he was wrong. Wait, how are patriots throat? Still intact. Racists?

Still intact. White supremacists? Doing better than ever. Okay. See, now that might be an issue. Oh boy. That brings us to the end of 2012 in Alex Jones' timeline. And again, I apologize.

This is a little bit of a shorter episode. Yeah, it was only an hour and 15 or whatever. Give or take. The reality of life, you know, just gets in the way. And, you know, we'll hopefully have a full episode for y'all's on Friday. Hopefully this place that I'm going to check out tomorrow will be good. And I'll be able to get an application signed up. And if that's the case, then it's just an easy, smooth move.

Right along. Yeah. So like getting the Mayak report removed. We appreciate your patience. And also we will keep you up to date on if Alex shows back up in the studio. We got hot sauce watch. We got move watch. And we got Alex showing back up.

Yeah. Yeah. This is, there's a lot going on. A lot of balls getting juggled. You are juggling. Try it. So until then, until next time we get back for the record, Dan is still making the juggling motion as he is making the dismount to the end of the podcast.

Yep. I'm a triple threat. All right. Okay. While you're juggling, juggle this. Do we have a Twitter account? I dropped the balls. Oh no.

It's a knowledge underscore fight. You also have a website, knowledge fight.com. We do. Click the support to the show button. Really. And the Facebook. Do we have a Facebook group? We do.

It's called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Man, there's one last thing like we're a podcast. We're on iTunes. Is it? Oh, is that where you can find? Yeah. So I would say, uh, of these people, uh, that we've talked about today. Kelly O'Mara probably hasn't killed anybody.

I agree. I mean, she's been a shill, uh, certainly given bad advice, probably led people to not take medication when they probably should be medicated, which is not killing somebody. It's an accessory. That's an accessory to murder. Right. But not, not with her bare hands. All right.

Fair. So she's in the clear, but one person who technically probably has done just that is a young man. It's not so young. No. By the name of Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.