Knowledge Fight - #278: January 3, 2013

Episode Date: March 22, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their exploration of what Alex Jones was up to back in the days and weeks after Sandy Hook. In this installment, it appears that Alex recently learned about gaslighting. He spends most of the show accusing the "Globalists" of gaslighting people, while gaslighting his audience like crazy.

Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm damn a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex. Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan What is your favorite chachki my favorite? What do you mean? Do you know what a chachki like a little trinket like yeah? Have you ever have you ever had a trinket? Have you ever gone to one of those souvenir stores and bought one and had it carry with you throughout? You know the rest of your life, you know no when you were a kid

Maybe you went to Universal Studios your dad got you the little License plate with your name on it something like that. No. No, how about any kind of an antique store something like that? Nope. Oh I mean Told me you like radios. Well, yeah I mean the closest thing to that is when I was in Austin We went to just some sort of a vintage shop and I ran into a guy who Like fixes old radios and I got sold on a like a really old radio that looks fucking awesome But I think I've talked about that on the shore. Have you I think we I wanted you to have some sort of like

Some sort of figurine or something. I mean, I got that Cthulhu statue. Yeah, that's true. I've had that for a few years That's pretty good. That is pretty good. I don't know and My buddy Matt rigs when he got married. I was in his wedding party and he made a little those Funko dolls Oh, yeah, you got one of those. That's fantastic of all of the people who were in the wedding party. I cherish that I think that's a really cool. It's not quite. I wouldn't call it a chachki But have you ever been in those stores and wanted I don't know what you're talking about But it's never appealed to me. Okay, I don't know I mean, I guess probably because I spent some of my time growing up in Hawaii and there's so many like touristy things

Oh, that's what I lived in Honolulu. Yeah, obviously tourism is a huge part of the The industry there right stuff like that and the local economy And so it always appeared very like stupid to me and like these are the the fucking people who are just coming in and enjoying our beaches Not right not like me. You're a townie. Yeah, it's somewhat Alright, I don't know. Maybe that's sort of my resistance to it. I totally get that man It's this started off weirdly confrontational, but I think we're good at it. I don't I don't think it's confrontational I'm just like you seem to not believe that I'm not Do

Oh man, no, I don't think I do we're flying to your parents house. I bet I could find something there Maybe actually no, I've been in your parents house. I don't know. I don't even know if they have it That's a good point I Was just there not too long ago and I didn't recognize much of anything fair Um, so this is a podcast where I don't like tachikis and I know a lot about Alex Jones and I do like tach And the wool boy you and Joanie love tachik We both love tachik and you don't know much about and I don't know anything about Alex Jones today Jordan We're back in the old past

We're back in 2012 taking a look at Alex or 2013 now January 2013 we're going over January 3rd And checking in on how Alex responded and reported on things in the aftermath of Sandy Hook But before we get to today's show like take a little moment out of our time to give a thank you and a shout out to some People who have signed up and are supporting the show. So first oh underscore RIO You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you That's a reference to something and we're just old that is undoubted. We're just old Dan you and I are dying

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Apologies that we didn't have an episode on Wednesday You know moving is a pain in the ass little little things come up all kinds little things come up Scheduling planning gets a danger lately out of whack things you don't expect to pop up become nuisances We appreciate your patience. We are here and we are moving forward. Absolutely. Um, so like I said, we're back in 2013 looking at this this post sandy hook business and as such it would only be Appropriate for us and I think people would probably scream at their phones if we didn't bring up the fact that this American life Just did their peace. Oh, yeah about Jones the two-part thing to two segments And a lot of people have asked for our thoughts. So what Jordan you you gave it a listen

What would what were your first feelings on it? Oh? Alex is lying People who remember him they didn't like him. Yeah, I didn't like him. Yeah, so we I think that's it I think I got it. I think so. I think that was probably oh, and he's a monster. Sure. Yeah, some of the most essential pieces of the coverage I think you've covered the first half about sandy hook is and Mr. Posner were you know, that's that that was sort of tough to listen to in terms of hearing to his Struggle through yeah, you know, you don't know you don't always hear that his personal perspective of how The that whole the whole situation affected him and these sort of narratives that are brought into the world the actual first person damage

That's well, I mean you kind of Maybe not intentionally, but somewhat subconsciously go out of your way not to hear that voice because you you know Like hypothetically the act is so monstrous that to then have it brought into the real world and in its stark truth is Is kind of heartbreaking like listening to it is truly just How can somebody? Do this right the entire time somebody be so unaware of the effect that they have yeah Then the horrible things they're bringing into someone's life. Yeah, that's tough But it's also kind of in the realm of like we we've talked about these things

It's kind of you know in terms of the information base of our podcast. There's you know, that's not too new But that's stuff with John Ronson at the end where they're talking about Alex's origin story. Yeah That was really fucked up. Oh, yeah Because they did some journalism that we couldn't do the idea of going and finding these people that Alex went to school with Yeah, the idea of like taking like huh Alex has one story five other people have a This like a very exact same story together. Yes, that's different from his story a hundred percent Yeah, I think my favorite guy was the the guy who found out that he and Trump loved each other and he was just like I

Don't know if I want to believe the guy who Alex beat the shit out of yeah Almost killed. Yeah Yeah, I mean the the stories that the people from his school tell match up pretty well with some of the Hero stories that Alex has. Yeah, just without the Alex being picked on part to justify Him beating the shit out of people and being a complete monster Also, the idea of him running around the school saying he's a Satanist matches up almost entirely with Alex's I got lured into Satanism when I was yeah, that was fun stuff. So like even a lot of that stuff Isn't really new to our information base, but hearing the people who he like threatened when he was young and stuff like that

Yeah, yeah, that stuff is really that that's tough The thing that rang the most true was when the woman was talking about how he used to describe in detail All the ways that he would threaten her with sexual violence. Yeah, and it was like it's a lot like a lot of his Have you ever heard his Fantasies about what the globalists will do to you. They'll take you down into the basement And they'll grab you and they'll touch you and put you in all those when she said yeah He did that shit, and I'm sure she doesn't like listen to his show to know that that's a big part. Oh, yeah It's performant. Yeah, that's still his that's a bag. Yeah

There was so much that rang so true from those people Talking like from just the sense that we've been able to get of him. Yeah from looking at him. Yeah, just look it was a it was a Awful, yeah, it was awful and to hear Alex be so unfazed by I'm like Bunch of liars like that sort of thing is just so like it just makes you realize that there's no point where you're going to come up With the piece of information. Yeah, the proof that he's full of shit, right? We're like hey, you got me there's never gonna be yeah That's never gonna happen even and even when you're interviewing him with and you're John Ronson

Who did a very good job on the piece? Yeah, but while he's interviewing Alex He's like and let me tell you about I'm not gonna do his voice. That's disrespectful If if I was good at it, I would still do it sure um, but While he was talking to Alex and he told him the story of how Alex is a huge asshole Alex turns around is like Yeah, but what about you and me? I've never been anything sweet and it's like hold on You just did the what about is him for your own life, right? Right and take it Alex has always known that John Ronson is a media figure like he came into his life as a reporter Who right like went along with him?

And like was was covering him for a piece, right? So why wouldn't Alex always be nice to him? He knows that he has a Platform that a gear or he has a platform to be like Alex beat the shit out of me They could put it in the paper Alex It's never in his best interest to be a dick to John Ronson Of course not so him being like haven't I always been nice to use like haven't I always been strategic about our relationship, right? It's all I hear there. Yeah. Yeah, and and also Alex said he's still Joe Rogan's best friend. So there you go It's good. We all know the truth. Um, so I thought it was a very interesting insight

And I think it was you know tough, but at the same time, you know, ultimately Proof that there is no positive outcome to any of this And also But it was it was I've kind of already know that for a while fair, but it's it's hard to see it demonstrated so fully on NPR Right, but also like it is just reaffirming of our like our instincts aren't too bad No, I think we got it I think after two years of listening to the to this idiot talk we we've got a pretty good idea of what his high school buddies are gonna say

Yeah, so Jordan like I said today. We're going into January 3rd 2013 and up to this point. We've seen him pretty much transition away from talking about Sandy Hook really at all Yeah, it's all just gun paranoia. They're coming to get your guns. It's gonna start a civil war Boo-boo-boo And let's see where he goes on the 3rd. Who knows maybe it'll turn even weirder, you know But first we have a context drop from today's show. I use white propaganda. So I want to be clear about terms You're you we know we know Um

Yeah, what terms could you be clearer about? Well, that doesn't mean what it immediately sounds like I use a white propaganda, right, which is propaganda made by whites for whites. It's like fooboo, but it's propaganda See now, you're not being clear about terms. Hmm. He'll explain it later, but Whatever you think That's actually what it means. Okay, so in this first clip that we're gonna listen to we enter into Alex's Obsession on this episode I think someone has recently explained that gas lighting is a thing. Oh, well, that's nice of him to find out in 2013 And Alex is completely obsessed with the idea. He talks about it for almost the entire show

While he gas lights his audience, right? Extremely, it's like he's just he's surprised that he's like whoa, whoa, whoa Somebody made a name for what I do. Well, I have to talk about it. It's very weird and here's the first clip where What I was listening through this I I cut this clip because I didn't know like towards the end of the show in the middle The show is just gonna keep talking about gas lighting So I pulled this clip specifically just to illustrate like Alex is aware of what gas lighting is. Yeah Yeah, I thought that was enough, but as this goes on it just oh god. It's so bad Guys, I sent you

Probably 50 I am and it's clear. There's a problem. You need to reload that Because I had the definitions and the history of gas lighting. It's a political term So if that's not in there, I need you to go get me just the top four or five up You know the use of gas lighting of the psychological term gas lighting because I want to cover gas lighting It's just one term to cover a game the globalist play and they define it as gas lighting and it's when You Walk in and you find your wife in bed with another man and she says there's no man here and the guy gets up dresses and walks out They've psychologically found most people will actually go. Am I crazy?

That's not a guy right there and because of denial how we've been programmed their television gas lighting is more and more effective today Than it's ever been. I think that's an extreme example I got another example telling people that you never said that Sandy Hook people were actors that constantly telling people while there's evidence to the contrary I would say that's an extreme version of gas lighting that you carried out and perpetuated on that this American life episode I was gonna say I was about to I was about to ask is is the next clip him being like and to give you a better Example of gas lighting. I'm gonna play clips from my show yesterday. See my catalog Exactly no

He he basically just explains it like that and says that it's a trick that the globalists use and because of TV and everyone being dumb or Whatever it works more They don't get his instant messages or whatever so he can't cover the story because it doesn't have anything in front of him And that's about all he knows. Yeah, so he starts talking about how Pierce Morgan sucks. That's that's evergreen territory Sure. So Pierce Morgan Alex has started a petition to get him deported as we know from our previous episodes. It's going great Very excited about this Obama did it and in response Pierce Morgan has invited Alex to be on his show. God. What an idiot

We did an episode about the actual interview. Yeah, yeah, but it comes up on the 7th of January So it's only a few days away Alex on the third is very aware and in this next clip you can tell he's clearly aware that he's mostly doing this for public Even around here when I told my crew that they have officially set me up for the 7th with Pierce Morgan people like incredible And of course there they're thinking it'll be a big news event because we'll have an argument or something And that is how Pierce Morgan actually does have an audience his actual show doesn't have an audience The derivative of it does get picked up and put on a lot of other channels That's why he's number one on CNN is that he at least that doesn't sound right have enough controversy and people he disagrees with on

To try to get some viewers So I mean, it's a good good move by the Pentagon that on record runs a CNN That's come out wash and post even that it's a run by the Department of Defense and is a basically a Psyop operation out of Atlanta, New York and Los Angeles and DC is that gaslighting is that is where did the post? Operation through CNN you bet. I don't even believe Pierce Morgan was number one on CNN Yeah, I find that Alex is recognizing exactly what he is going to bring to Pierce Morgan's show

Oh, yeah, it's going to be a big thing because we're gonna get into a fight and then there's gonna be clips of it everywhere Right, he's ascribing Pierce's Morgan Pierce Morgan's motives as being like he's going to have that fight so he gets more ratings That's also what you're doing. Yeah, that's entirely and this is anything other than that That's not a Pierce motive. That's a pierce motive. All right. It's a transparent motive So apparently the Illinois state Senate At this point is considering a bill to ban all firearms Sandy hook the NRA is warning about this Alex has heated the words of course And he he covers the story in perhaps one of the most extreme ways imaginable

We told you yesterday, Illinois was going to reduce the bill according to the NRA They've done it. It's out of committee set to pass today. Looks like it may pass right now to make all People in Illinois turn their semi-autos in and pump Everything that bolt action is going to be turned in and they've got your void card They know where to come get your gun so they're coming and it'll be on the news the trucks and the police and people resisting being killed And it'll be patriotism to kill American gun owners and they deserve it They did sandy hook and they're all clan members anyways remember one that month ago They were calling us clan members and murderers. You're like that makes no sense. Why are they just saying that because they're demonizing us

Oh, like you do with all there is no moderate Islam Hold on What are we gonna? What are we gonna play this gas lighting people? I think you might be So that's pretty extreme the idea of like they're gonna pass this in the Illinois State Senate And then they're going to you know start killing gun owners when they won't turn in their guns And I mean, this is this is just that continuation of that extreme gun grab paranoia I care not to engage. No, that's not with not not with you, but not with his ideas I don't care to engage with his ideas. Hey once Illinois

Outlaws everything but bolt-action right then you know North Carolina's next because North Carolina does everything that Illinois does Yeah, and once North Carolina goes so goes the South once Florida goes, Texas is next we all know that California has been well in this scenario, California has been ripped away from the United States by a massive earthquake Right. I'll escape from LA. Okay, but and it's patriotic for that earthquake to take California. Yeah So in this next clip Alex gets even more extreme and he's talking about how the mainstream news Has announced that there's going to be checkpoints that are permanent all over the place And they will actually doesn't sound right. Well machine gun nests Is is that I'm gonna just this country folks. I've got mainstream news announcing checkpoints nationwide at permanent

Highway checkpoints like you've had a hundred miles into the border nationwide. You're gonna drive up to police checkpoints. They're gonna search you TSA is gonna be there. It's been announced. I've got those articles here It's martial law folks And they're gonna set up machine gun nest you're gonna be under machine gun point when you pull up to these We're going under Fallujah control Fallujah control I Seven years on

See no evidence of machine gun nests checkpoints and Fallujah control in the United States But I understand I mean he's afraid. He's very afraid We're just gonna build a the Berlin wall over every highway, I guess every hundred miles There'll be a new giant machine gun nest. Yeah, I mean I Think I think that clip is only worthwhile to demonstrate like how stupid so much of the stuff He says around like around this is like it's just that's cockamamie nonsense The idea the very idea of this and that the mainstream media is a is Announcing these checkpoints. We have machine guns, right?

It's it's absurd and the way that he used Announcing rather than reporting is so it's such one of those small symbols of your fucking full Of shit because you're ascribing them as being the state mouthpiece, you know Right there announcing it on behalf of the government who told them to announce it roll out because the Pentagon owns Yeah, yeah, yeah, so After this point, you know, he's he's claimed to be as these the mainstream media is covering this stuff and announcing it Excuse me announcing announcing it. They're not covering it and he pivots from there into like Justifying a ton of news stories on apocryphal stories that he's been told by either his co-workers or people who know his co-workers

Which is even more flimsy than making up news stories So we're estimation on third-hand sources now. Yes, and this one is about one of his Employees girlfriends getting pulled over by the police. I don't believe most of this story. Okay police just randomly. I'm gonna pull you over I Happened to Darren McBreen's girlfriend She's driving all the way out of West Texas, you know to come here and seem she's on the same road cops pull them over and they go I saw you Not use a turn signal and she said I've been on the same lane

For over a hundred miles. I didn't he goes. Let me just see your eyes. This is just a DWI Just to Paul just just randomly checking here. I'm gonna it's a joke I mean cops pull me over know who I am and ask if I'm drinking or if I have drugs or guns And I just go number one. I don't use products that your boss is ship in Now number two. I'm not dumb enough to be drinking and driving and number three Oh, I just don't even know what to say anymore. That is a weird way That's a weird way to talk to a cop right number one. Hey listen listen up pig Number one, I don't use any of the products from your government by which I am applying that it's Reagan, right number two

I don't drink and drive. What am I a dummy? I don't look at the backseat There's a lot of open bottles of wild turkey number three don't go to the future and watch some of my live streams Where I appear to be quite drunk while driving an automobile and number three I Mean it is weird I mean, it's weird because he's telling the story about Darren McBreen's girlfriend and like I mean if that did happen Maybe she did swerve or something like that. I don't know or I'm also willing to believe that it was an overly capricious cop That was trying to meet a quota or something like right, right? That doesn't prove anything that proves one cop was

You know acting a little bit overzealously. Yeah, doesn't prove anything Alex pivots from that to being like I am also a victim of this Yeah, he does that really well. Yeah, he does you almost didn't even notice. Yep. Yeah, you're almost like yeah I bet she said the same thing. Yeah, she did not know Alex is telling a story about somebody else Realizes I don't have a full grasp of the details. I don't really know this story very well I don't listen to McBreen when he's talking So I better make this about myself because I can lie about myself pretty well. I got three points I forgot the third one. I don't even know what to say anymore. Oh Cool

This next clip is just an expression of the extremeness that he is putting into his rhetoric around this time at the beginning of 2013 is it a Mountain Dew commercial? It's more extreme than that. Oh, okay. This is what I mean live wire doesn't even come close No, are we talking surge cola levels? It's close to surge. Okay So earlier you saying that the Illinois State Senate is gonna pass this bill and then they're gonna be shooting gun owners And it's patriotic to do it and everyone will say hooray. We'll all be having a great old time That's fucking extreme to put as an image into your listeners minds based on nothing Yeah, you know, that is pretty fucked up because it will catalyze a reaction in some way whether or not it's an act A reaction that people act on is another question that you can't control that you can't control how your audience responds

To the extreme message that you're putting out. So that's your responsible. This next clip. I think is even worse because It's not about what somebody is going to do. It's what they're already doing So if you understand like if you listen to this clip, it's not contingent on the Illinois State Senate Banning guns or anything like that. We're already at the point where you should be killing these globalists, right? We're past that. Yeah, and that is expressed in this clip. They're about to kill you for patriotism. So but they're already killing you Oh, no, it's just it's it's gone. It's gone. We have the biggest prison population. We have the highest cancer rate They're killing us. We're being killed. Okay. I've got all their

White health science our book eco science where they talk about how they kill us with cancer and kill us with stuff in the water I mean, it's just sterilizes our sperm counts down 87 89% and the women are dying and highest rate of breast cancer in the world And our kids are the most brain damage in the world from all the shots And I'm a bad guy. I'm a mad dog for being upset about it. Let me continue here You you're a bad guy because you're misrepresenting this stuff. He's talking about John P. Holdren's book eco science And I've read the relevant portions in it

He's not talking about like advocating for or saying we should or saying that we do or saying It's a plan to put sterilants in the water and stuff like that. It is a textbook about eco science Yeah, and in a textbook setting there are things that are like some people have said this is an option It's not discussed as a positive thing. Yeah, it's discussed as something that someone has said And relevant context leads you to believe that it is dealt with as not a good idea. Yeah, so It's just bullshit He's taking out of context passages from textbooks that he hasn't read the entirety of and being like this is happening They're killing us already

Like if you hear that sort of thing and you actually believe him, why wouldn't you make a fucking splinter cell? Why wouldn't you form a terrorist group against the government? They're trying to kill you through the water Like yeah, they that there's not much other recourse after that. No, it's insane And we can't you I mean man has always been battling the shores down. That is true But it's a different kind of water. It's a different kind of water, right? We we take this as rad a lot of the time But like looking back at this period where like tensions are really high in the country in the aftermath of Sandy Hook And there's that gun discussion that's going on about like Jesus

This is fucked up that this has happened and it's happened before and we know it's gonna happen again Yeah, these sorts of things like Tensions are high people some people have I don't know middle of the road arguments for being against gun control Some people have middle of the road arguments for gun control Some people have impassioned arguments for gun control some people like Alex have these impassioned arguments against gun control And when you're in that like that sort of tense space bringing in stuff like this really

Really is dangerous because you you you introduce an idea of an existential threat that's outside of that discussion even yeah And it's I don't know I I just put myself in the headspace of someone who actually believes what he's saying and I don't know how I wouldn't Make a bomb or something like that I'm not I'm not saying that all of his listeners would do that right like It doesn't seem like a far cry from what he's hoping someone would do if they heard this well, I mean it well first It is kind of a tacit acknowledgement From his listeners that none of what he's saying is actually true in that we don't see a shit ton of these wars being started

Oh, or you know, they're all incompetent Well fair, I mean there could be a lot of people who'd like go two steps into trying to plan something and like fuck This is a lot of work. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard Or I mean, I don't mean this in a bad way because I'm glad that it could possibly be the case But maybe a lot of them are cowards, you know, like right, right, so maybe maybe there are a lot of people who do believe it But don't have the whatever it would be that would right them to take action 45% of his listeners are too cowardly to build a bomb 45% of his listeners have tried to build a bomb and started about and stopped about halfway through and

Then the final 10% have probably gone to a pizza place and shot up Could be yeah, I think Fair enough so fair enough I I found I found all too much macabre humor in When he said that America's kids are the most fucked up because of all the shots they're taking Mm-hmm, like immediately after Sandy Hook. There's there's a double entendre there that oh, yeah Not unintended Yeah, I just kind of leave alone some of the other stuff that he's bringing in like talking about like yeah We have so many people in prison like yep. Yeah bet agreed. That's such a that's just a little

Piece of decoration on your argument. You're not even concerned about that. Yeah. Yeah So we get back now and Alex tells another story that I don't think is accurate about another one of his employees Having a run-in with the police listen one of my graphics crew Was out And I happen to know she doesn't even drink and they're out Before New Year's was it after Christmas and they're driving home and she's a different driver going out to eat and

They get them out and they go We're arresting you all we can smell alcohol and they go Well, I haven't been drinking on the desert driver. They said we'll do a bunch of sobriety tests And she did one and said look I'm not been drinking. I told you they said that's it. You're DWI to They want to stick needles in you and I'm gonna get to the four circulations in a moment So yeah, I think there's some details missing from that story I Think there's a modifier missing missing between

All right. Now you've got a DWI to they want to stick needles in you Well, there should be something in between right? What he's talking about is that there are some Some places where if you get pulled over I don't know how it goes state by state But there's there are a number of states where if you get pulled over and they have suspicion of DUI You refuse to take a breathalyzer you refuse to do the tests then they can't force you to give blood and part oh, okay Part of the reason for that is that it will mean it will retain as evidence Whatever and you have not cooperated with the police right if they have a reasonable suspicion that you're drunk time-stamped

Yeah, so to speak. Yeah, whereas if you don't do that It because I think the police had a long enough time where drunk drivers Kind of realize that they could wait things out and their blood alcohol content would go down Yeah, and so if you're oppositional defiant enough before they can do any kind of test There isn't the the proof of the underlying offense right that the police need I'm not saying that's a good thing, but that's the rationale for why they do it right So I think that that's what he's talking about. They want to put needles in you I don't know what's going on with this story about his employee, but I don't believe it something's missing from this story

No, if I understand the story correctly She was driving there were people in the car may have been drunk who may have been drunk may not have been drunk We'll never know sure while she was driving Herself completely sober she doesn't driving completely normally with no red flags whatsoever They are pulled over by the cops the cops go in there and they charge they say out loud They're charging the people in the car who are not driving right with the DWI I think that the only way that this story is real first of all the people in the passengers absolutely not But the only way that this is true is that the people who were in the car were really fucked up

And then the police were like we got a you know somebody's got to do something There's so much you could smell whiskey in this car Yeah, so they pull her out of the car and they try and give her like a like a flashlight test or like make her walk The line and she gets really come out of two of them. Well, that's one. Yeah, that's entirely possible Or it just refuses to cooperate in any way and they're like well We need to take you to the station then we need to give you a breathalyzer, right? And so that's the but you still wouldn't get charged with a DUI like there's no way that piece of the story makes sense But you can end up like prolonging your engagement with the police if you don't like I'm not I'm not saying that's good

I don't think no, no, no the police aren't necessarily notorious for just dropping stuff. That's not really well I mean in in certain cases all to know to know to read notorious for doing that But when it comes to a DWI, they're usually gonna be like, okay, we're gonna have to keep going. Yeah, you're being a dick Come on. Yeah, it's just if you're pulled over for a DUI and you're not drunk You're not going to end up getting charged with it unless you're a dick in which case you might be charged with being a dick Yeah, like if you hit a cop or something like that I had a buddy when I lived in Missouri who got pulled over for something or other

He didn't do then it ended up swinging on a cop and I'm like, yeah, you're going on a cop Yeah, you're going to get arrested He was like, I didn't do the thing I got in trouble. Like you You have to know that's a bad idea. It's like they were being text to me like yes. Yes, they were now because the underlying charge Wasn't real that invalidates the swing. I took at the cops see wish me one to one Wish we lived in that world We don't so they were instigating, right? So Alex has earlier brought up this idea of these checkpoints these permanent checkpoints that are being set up

and he has Not a great piece of news to back it up some piece of proof and he gets into it in this next clip And it goes on San Antonio deputy police chief Antonio Trevino appeared Monday in Austin before the Texas House criminal jurisprudence committee The San Antonio Express News reports he urged legislators to allow law officers To stop drivers and do routine sobriety tests near so-called drinking and driving hot spots Which is just everywhere again. They let you go drinking the bars humans have always done it Texting and driving five times more dangerous and MIT studies and humans have always done it

It's all about getting you into the system, but if you're an illegal alien they let you go whoops what whoops, huh? Whoops there at the end wait what but also you can also get in trouble for texting and driving like that's that's something that you can Get pulled over to yeah, so this argument there doesn't make a ton of sense But he's pretending here that he's reading an article about how San Antonio is put into place sobriety checkpoints on the next step After this without a doubt is machine gun protected Fallujah style blockades One problem is that this article is quoting from is about the San Antonio Police Department asking for permission to put up sobriety Checkpoints it has no indication that they got permission to do it Ah, also the local story out of San Antonio includes a ton of information that Alex conveniently forgets to mention in his reporting

For instance as of 2012 Texas was one of only 12 states in the country that didn't offer police departments the option of setting up to UI Checkpoints Texas is consistently at the top of the rankings for most drunk driving related accidents and most drunk driving related deaths I don't think those two things are related it can't be it's a hugely popular state So it doesn't generally come in at number one on those lists that that break down fatality rates and stuff like that per 100,000 residents right, but the state that does Pretty much all the time is Wyoming a state that also doesn't allow the police to conduct a UI checkpoints Huh the US Supreme Court has decided the checkpoints are

Constitutionally allowed provided that they serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose and you put in a requisition for your machine gun Turrets true. Yes, there has to be paperwork. It has to be paperwork Those 12 states have the absolute right to decide that whether or not they want to allow the police to conduct these checkpoints within the state Borders and Texas has done that However, that didn't that doesn't stop them from checking up setting up checkpoints near the border Not on the border, but near the border trying to catch undocumented immigrants in September 2013 an article in the Houston Chronicle from December 2013 discusses the DPS Halting their use of checkpoints in the Rio Grande Valley where they were accused of being specifically run to check people's immigration status

Which would be against Texas law the police department claimed that they had a completely different and very legitimate law enforcement reason to run those Checkpoints to which they were told you got to stop that. I would be very interested To hear Alex's take on this, but my gut tells me he wasn't super against those checkpoints I imagine he was kind of ignored it. Maybe not a story So some checkpoints are good and some checkpoints are I imagine that might be the case But whatever the case this December 2013 Houston Chronicle article is pretty clear that the sobriety checkpoints that Saint Antonia wanted to set up were never set up quote for more than a decade The legislature has rejected proposals to allow roadside checkpoints, which typically target drunk drivers during the last

Legislative session, San Antonio Deputy Police Chief Antonio Trevino urged a committee of lawmakers to allow permanent sobriety checkpoints in the state If you read that it's very clear that what they're saying is the legislature did not allow that The thing that Alex is trying to make his audience afraid of didn't happen or at least it didn't happen until about a year later After this episode was recorded and it was specifically used to target immigrants, which feels strangely consistent For Alex in his world, it's it's like I can get why you would be resistant to the DUI checkpoint if it is sit like if your I

Don't know analogy to it would be the stop-and-frisk program in New York You know sure it's like oh, they're just stopping innocent people and they're just looking for stuff to find on you There is a there is a possibility of abuse Yeah, the stop for sure. Yeah, I can get that totally But I also even if it is well restricted I have some questions about the efficacy of it because in Missouri they like There were DUI checkpoints a lot of the time when I was a younger man, right? And one of the things is like I had a lot of friends who would travel with weed in the car and stuff like that Yeah, and so a lot of our friends whenever you'd know that there was a checkpoint somewhere

You would call or text all your friends and be like stay off parquet. Oh, of course There's a DUI checkpoint of course of course or we knew the places where they were like Speed traps and stuff like that like going to the Booneville Casino Well, I think ways the the app that gives directions that gives like a live Updating traffic directions and shit like that. Yeah, they also included DUI checkpoints on their on their app That's that seems counterproductive. That's no good But what I'm saying is that you find alternate routes around things whenever you get warnings of the pop-up ones Of course, and then there's one there was one the Isle of Capri Casino in Booneville

Right had a stretch of road coming to and from it. That was notorious for it had a lower Like you're coming off a place where there was a high speed limit and then it went lower Yeah, it was specifically there to catch people driving drunk coming out of the casino Yeah, it was intentionally set up like that and everybody knew it So you minded your P's and Q's through that if you knew it was going on of course and you know people who didn't know well You if you're not drunk, they'll just let you off with a warning Yeah, if you are you're gonna get a ticket and it's not that I kind of don't think it's that bad if you're warning people Where the checkpoint is because the point of the back then ways didn't exist. No, no, no

I know what I'm what I'm saying is the checkpoint is there to a Catch people who are drunk driving. Yeah ostensibly, right? Right, but if you are warned about the checkpoint then the idea even then is you're going to use a less traveled road Right, and that's going to by Statistical necessity lead to fewer people, right? Maybe you're gonna get into an accident But at least it's just fucking you, you know, right? And there are there are some studies that I was able to find That did make the claim for from their findings that states that put like Tennessee was a big one that put in

DUI checkpoints or put it into practice with the police and their DUI related accidents went down like 20% Or something like that that's worthwhile, right? But the reason that I don't cite that as proof that these checkpoints did that is because of kind of what you brought up The idea of going down another road while you're drunk because you know, there's a checkpoint over here Doesn't make that driving less intrinsically dangerous, right? Of course because you could still I don't know go into someone's front yard Oh, of course, of course naturally or you could kill yourself driving into a tree. That's yeah super dangerous Still awful if someone's out walking because it's a less busy street. You could hit them pretty easily, of course So there are still dangers

But yeah, the odds of making a bigger wreck on those side streets Yeah, be favoring over where the blockade is or the checkpoint is The numbers do seem to imply that it does work well Regardless, no matter what we do There's but I think American history is born this out pretty pretty accurately You're not going to stop people from driving drunk No, that is not going to happen no matter how many mothers are mad about it doesn't mean we prohibition didn't even do it No, so

You know if you can do if you can take as many steps to minimize the damage that that causes because you know that it's going to be An issue right then then it's like it's like Secondhand smoke like yeah your people are gonna smoke, but you shouldn't do it in a fucking diner I agree with you. I agree with you and it does seem to The the numbers do seem to indicate that it does it does work in risk aversion or consequence Minimizing but I'm not and sometimes that is all you can hope for right, but I don't know better than nothing Yeah, I don't know it's a it's a little bit of a I am a little ambivalent on how I feel about it exactly But unless it's being abused which is we

Are police force right So now Alex starts Alex starts complaining about hospitals And he has some fair criticisms I think to some extent, but the conclusions that he makes with those criticisms are pretty inappropriate What's going on at the hospital? And I warned them too because it's a city affiliated when I said don't go near your life You got to go where rich people go because if you're gonna go to a hospital because they don't feed on them yet If you go to a big mainline mega hospital folks, they see you as an animal. Are you better show up diamond rings and top hats?

So I think that his criticism. It's not what he's saying But I think his criticism that the sort of the healthcare business System as a whole does absolutely feed on poor people Catch them under all of the like the the uninsured and Right like the idea that if you get it like, I don't know you fall down and break your leg Accidentally, you can't get anywhere an ambulance comes and picks you up. You're fucked for years Yeah, because of how much that ambulance ride And you have to go to the emergency room and you're fucked like that sort of thing. Yes absolutely fair criticism, Alex

Agreed not gonna help if you come to the any of those situations wearing diamond rings and necklaces Don't think that's going to help you. You're he's that's a child's understanding of how like the being poor you get fucked by Hospitals like I'd like to say you're you're okay. You're going into the ER. They're like, okay Can I have your insurance card? You're like, excuse me, madam? I do not use insurance like the poor's yeah I will give you this diamond ring and give me your finest medical treatment or the or the idea of like your super poor You got to go to the hospital's the rich people go to because then they'll treat you well as a poor person at the rich hospital Nonsense is this we're in some sort of body swap comedy

We're in the prince and the poppers in our way under the radar Oh, they have to give you the good treatment at the rich hospital Oh, sir something terrible must have happened to you for your pants are not fully frayed Also like the idea of like you got to go to the rich hospitals because they're not feeding off of them yet Yet in there is also like But again, I mean hey the medical establishment is very unfair and cruel to people who lack resources Oh, yeah, Alex wants to talk about that There's a hundred directions he could go with it. Yeah, that I'd be I'd be what I'm as the kids say I'd be here for that

Oh, my grandma just had a stroke and she's been in the hospital for forever and now according to the According to the rules of her insurance or something like that If she's not showing consistent improvement literally every week She will have to go to this this nursing home slash hospice thing, which is just gonna bankrupt her Mm-hmm, like so I gotta say I like arbitrary rule so fucking stupid. She should have gone to the rich hospital That's a good point. I can't understand why good point if only she'd listen to this January 3rd 2013 episode of Alex a show where he unlocks Well, we sold all of her diamond rings to pay for the Uber to get her to the hospital because we couldn't afford the goddamn Ambulance classic gift of the magi situation

If she did just come in wearing those diamond rings Everything would have been fine. Oh such a tragedy So Alex's you know, he's mad at hospitals for dumb reasons, but he also is mad at vaccines for dumb reasons Yes, and he has a story that he's telling about one of his employees who's I Guess there because he doesn't play that it's a dude that his wife or fiance or whatever had recently given birth and Like there was a there's a dicey situation with the kid He's not specific with the details. Also. It's a third-hand personal story. So I'm not interested in that

I'm gonna leave all of it aside and just try and get to the content behind what he's talking about and here He talks about how the globalists and hospitals are trying to kill pregnant women with vaccines Okay, you remember just four years ago Everybody knew you don't give a pregnant woman a vaccine because the insert says and cause a miscarriage or or brain damage the child Just well known for decades And I got crew here who who who have wives who are nurses where they're pregnant and this hospital like okay You don't have to take the shot because you're pregnant because the doctors still know that but the but now they've come out in the news

And said no if you're pregnant you need extra shots Folks they want to just see if they can kill us right out in the open Okay, so that is going to lead people to not get appropriate health care. Yeah, that is a very Stupid message that he's putting out and here's one of the reasons the issue here is that some of vaccines are dangerous for people Who are pregnant but not all vaccines for instance any version of the inactivated flu virus Vaccine should be completely safe to give to someone pregnant or not same goes for the tetanus and pertussis vaccine that the the TG AP vaccine Provided that shot is given after the 27 week point in the pregnancy

Conversely the MMR and chicken pox vaccines have the potential to be very dangerous to a pregnancy because they can they contain live Viruses and the body and fetus will respond differently to them to then to non live virus vaccines beyond that There are off other variables that come into play Primarily related to the mother's medical history For instance, if you have a history of chronic liver disease a doctor might recommend getting a hepatitis a vaccine There's a lot of variables But if a person works with their doctor generally risks are kept to a minimum

Alex is relying on speaking so non specifically that his audience just accept his argument purely based on feeling He's pretending that all vaccines are the same which is nonsense He's further pretending that newer better safer vaccines aren't constantly being produced So possibly one that was unsafe to give to someone during pregnancy years back now is because of developments R&D Don't those sorts of things. No, I don't know. Everybody knows that medical science doesn't change ever That's why something that we knew just four years ago Which is that we had roughly a hundred years before climate change would kill us all is?

Something that we no longer know on account of we don't right. That's medical gaslighting Yeah, I mean clear-cut absolute like the idea agreed you remember back when they told pregnant women not to get vaccines And now they want to give them vaccines not dealing with the extemporary like the other details that surround the context of medical care like it's It's absurd. That's it's it's very it's very bad And it has the structure of the of a hacky like what so in the 80s They say eggs are good for us and then in the 90s They say they've got too much cholesterol and now in the 2000s. They're good for us again

Right it does it does have that without the attempt at a joke Yeah, instead you're just going to lead children getting pertussis Yeah, you're gonna get a whooping cough outbreak happening or polio coming back So in this next clip Alex finally gets around to reading the definition of gaslighting And this is where it really the show takes a I mean It's basically like someone driving drunk off and they just take a swerve off a bridge Okay, this is where things go real all right here. We go off course gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which False information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt. Here's her own memory perception and sanity

So that's the definition of gaslighting that he is reading and that is the definition that exists within the infowars world Remember that do you need to hear it again? He didn't read it pretty quick. I got it. Okay, so in this next clip Alex describes how this period right now beginning of 2013 Because of the perceived gun grabbing that's going on. Yeah, the most serious time in his entire career I believe this is gaslighting My friends we are an extremely dark times the darkest of my 17 years on air and

Unfortunately, our worst analysis is coming true. The worst-case scenario is now unfolding You could probably tell I'm a lot more serious and focused on air. I'm a lot more angry and it's because The globalists are hammered down. They are going for broke right now So that is inappropriate because He's not more focused. He's more angry. Oh, yeah I mean, I don't think he's more angry than other times in his career and the idea that this is the most serious time in my 17 years On air. What about 9-eleven you dumbass hole?

Like what about to what about y2k? You were real serious on that day. You were real scared What about to I mean right at the beginning of his career was around when Oklahoma City happened, right? Like what about these like why are you trying to undersell those other very serious things in your career when? You are just afraid of this perceived danger. I mean, I would even say the 2007 and financial crash would probably be way up there on the the list of I mean it would certainly fit his His narrative better. Yeah, then a lot of this stuff So his his definition of gaslighting where you're trying to exploit people's memories and make them think that they aren't real is Fully demonstrated in there. This is the most important time in my career now

Play that definition one more time gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt Here's her her own memory perception insanity Okay, well, okay, uh-huh, maybe According to the textbooks Then yes, everything that Alex Jones has done is an entire in his entire career But it's a form of gas, but especially clip. Yeah trying to make you distrust your memories 9-11 the thing that you built your career on and is when the globalists made a coup and know that isn't that more serious? No imagined Illinois State Senate bill

You got going on and maybe you're mad at Diane Feinstein. Okay, what did 9-11 lead to? Nothing right now this gun control bill that's gonna lead to being called patriotism to kill people with gun Sure with guns with guns. So that's he's right fine. So that I think I just got gaslight. Yeah, you did So that's one example. This next one is so much worse and that's a psychological warfare term called gaslighting Is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim Now his around memory. He's reads it again. He reads the definition again Exactly the same way. Wow Perception insanity instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abuse incidents ever occurred

Or even the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disearning the victim That's why they'll have school drills unannounced where they aim guns at kids It happened to my crew who's got kids in public school They come and bang on the elementary and say we're here to kill you and the kids all crying get scared and they go teachers go You're following a manual. We're sorry. We had to do this It's because of American gun owners in one manual in Michigan the Fed's issue was we're sorry to do this This was due to home schoolers and people against public education. That's a pee if you think I'm joking they go Sorry, we just blew up a car in the front parking lot and came and said we were going to kill you and children literally urinate on themselves

Teachers have had to go to funny farms over it Literally, this has been in the news have breakdowns where they marched people out saying they're gonna kill them in mask and don't tell them It's a drill that was in Minneapolis, St. Paul so That's a that's a lot. So I think I do remember the No, yeah, at least one time that one of these drills was done without telling anybody and the National news picked it up and the entire country was like What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, but none of the I don't know if that's true

But if it was it's not the instances that we're talking about. Oh, no, absolutely We covered that homeschooling one. We're talking with kids peeing their pants and right for now because we've covered it already Suffice it to say Alex is Misrepresenting that although it is funny that he says the teachers had to go to the funny farm about it very weird I would spend more time on that one But the last thing I think all I think all llama farms are funny pretty fun That's probably where they went the last thing he brings up. That's a new one for our coverage So I thought I'd look into that Alex is asserting that there were drills where people in masks were marching people out

As if they were gonna be executed and not telling them it was a drill which has led people led to people having breakdowns Whoa, yeah, that was St. Paul that fucking would yeah, it'd be fucked up Yeah, what Alex is actually referring to is a helicopter exercise that the military had carried out Minneapolis St. Paul at the end of August 2012 it's something that they from time to time do in urban centers and spokespeople have commented on how it's important for their training To carry out these exercises in unfamiliar areas so the pilots can do a little bit of improvisational navigation One time when I worked at Groupon the helicopter training exercise came through downtown Chicago And I can see that it was pretty amazing and a little bit intimidating But I didn't somehow think it was something that constituted a threat like you're in this high-rise building

And there's helicopters that are like going by pretty close to like your window level really that was Crazy, yeah, that's fucking crazy. Yeah, it was a weird sight for sure It was pretty quick and everyone was just like well we get five minutes where we're not working Yeah, yeah, everybody turns and looks and there's a helicopter flying by and you're like, okay cool All right, and then a couple of us meet at the you know, the swings with a la Croix and that fucked up Thumbs up to Santa Claus and Superman all the all the time Yeah, so the Star Tribune article about this which is used as a primary source on the Info Wars article about it Paul Joseph Watson basically just copies and pastes like three quarters of the article and calls it his reporting brilliant writer

It has zero mention of like people in black masks no mention of people having breakdowns The closest it comes is saying that people who saw the helicopters thought they were loud and kind of annoying the article does mention The article does mention summation. Yeah, you got to give it to him. That's terse. I mean, it's wonderful It on Info Wars part It does constitute over reporting for Alex to be saying these sorts of things when the source material is like I fuck it It was so loud that's borderline laconic The article does mention some on-the-ground exercises that were carried out as a part of this as well

But it very specifically points out that the bad guys in these drills were quote civilians paid by special operations command to play The enemy no one involved was unaware that it was a drill There's no indication that things even happened the way Alex is describing them And even if they did no one is aware unaware of what was going on quite literally This is Alex gaslighting his audience ironically in the middle of accusing his enemies of being gaslighters Now I will say just in the sake of calling everything out and putting it out in the open There is some concern that the military didn't give The public enough advanced warning of the helicopters flying over their city and I accept that there's some argument that could be made there

But whether or not that's appropriate, you know, I could see that when I worked a group on there was no advanced warning that they were Going to fly by our building or anything. Yeah, I didn't feel like I was somehow wronged by it or anything And I didn't even understand why they were doing it. You read these articles that they're talking about like the idea of this Landscape is unfamiliar. It's helpful for the training of the pilots and stuff like kind of like all right. I get what you're doing Also, the military spokesman in this article who was interviewed explained that they'd formerly given three days notice about these sorts of drills But they found that it became a little bit of a spectator sport where people would come out in large groups to gock at the helicopters flying overhead And that had the potential to introduce serious danger. Oh shit. That's a good point, too Right, because if these people knew that military helicopters were going to be flying over there

Yeah, you in because they're so low-flying you introduce the risk of someone throwing a rock Oh, I wouldn't well at the very least I would totally come out and be like well Right or if you have like someone with ill will and and that's of course not everybody But you have like two million people in Chicago or whatever right all it takes is one person knowing in advance That they could throw a flare at the helicopter and make a crash into a building Yeah, something like that you introduce some really serious bad variables to it now No I know a couple people who would go to the top of their building with a fucking bow and arrow and try and shoot it down like they're crazy

Does the danger that's introduced by telling people ahead of time? Justify not doing it to begin with I don't know We don't know and I think that there's a legitimate conversation to have there, but it's not the conversation Alex is having no I'm silly. He's not even mentioning that it was just helicopters flying over Yeah, taking people who didn't know it was a drill at execution Putting them on the knees and they're sorry. It's a drill. Sorry. There's a it's a helicopter drill We were just trying to make sure you guys didn't throw rocks and then they end up having a breakdown. It's nonsense That's crazy. He's gaslighting people man. That's all that's happening here

What's gaslighting again? Could you play that definition one more time? I'll probably read it again at some point So Alex's I don't often play how he comes back from breaks But this is one of the like four main things that that he does when he comes back from break He aligns himself with the truth, but it's time for you to choose a side You're listening to Alex Jones. That's gaslighting His voice over is gaslighting people. He aligns himself with truth. We absolutely know that he doesn't He lies about everything the entire structure of this show is gaslighting his audience It's insane. And I know I'm making a big point of it. It's because

This show is all about the idea of accusing his perceived enemies of gaslighting and this whole fucking thing is all that It's all it is. I just want you I just want you to play each clip and then afterwards play the definition of gaslighting We might as we're we might as well be there like the fact that he has the definition of gaslighting that he's read On his own fucking show that that is a damning clip if there ever was one so for Like I would say his entire career certainly the last years of it that we've been able to cover Dating back to the days of endgame and what have you

Alex has been really mad that the the globalists are eugenicists Something he's very against I'm just going to play you this clip. Okay, and some of you'll go. Well, there are too many people. Have you seen how dumb the general public is? Okay, but you need to understand something. Yes, there's truth to some of the eugenics argument I've never really talked about this on air. It's such a complex issue and I want to make a whole film about it But when you really look at hold on they've been there sabotaging things all the way Doing things that actually increase the population and increased the populations

Yeah Systems how you're gonna land forms of their systems to where it was more destructive on the environment. Okay Where are we going? It's incredibly complex if I shouldn't even have gotten off into all this because you really The point is they're trying to dumb people down and they want more dumb people than smart people Until they get control and then they're going to wipe almost everybody out That's uh boy, that's that I mean there's nothing truer than him saying I shouldn't have got into this No, you should not have gotten there's not saying you're not making any points other than I feel like I wanted to make the point that some eugenics is good, but boy. I don't want to be specific about this

I shouldn't have said the first sentence. What am I doing? I was I was about to say systems People environment bad my uh Isn't he for eugenics kind of just showed up there didn't it? Well, I mean the eugenics that he's against uh, and the globalists are doing in his perception is Against white people and it is dumbing people down that sort of thing. That's that's the version that he is uh Full throatedly against right, uh, but I've never ever heard him

Say some of the eugenics argument is correct, which is fucked up. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. Is is that gaslighting? so, uh towards the uh this point of the episode alex starts taking calls ostensibly from obama supporters And he wants to do it to sort of clown on people But this game never works Because obama supporters don't listen to his show and what ends up happening is people call in and they say they're an obama supporter Just to get on the air of course and then they're like obama sucks and then he's like, aha

Yeah, you got us and that happened one of the calls Uh was this guy who was clearly joking about being an obama supporter He's like I like obama because he's great everybody should like him like that sort of thing Yeah, yeah, how it treats him as if this guy is actually making a serious argument And he's like look at this deranged guy and like the guy's not serious So that's the first call that he takes. Oh, I think obama's great Look at this obama supporter. Yeah I love him. That's the first uh call that he gets and like we're off to a bad start

Yeah, there's nothing worth really listening to it in that you basically just did it Um, oh, thank you. So then alex gets a call from a station owner one of the owner runner Who knows but some one of his affiliates. Oh, we're gonna keep you on our station No This guy is not pro obama. Oh, okay He actually has some ideas that obama is not eligible to be the president Oh, but it has nothing to do with the birth certificate, man. It has nothing to do with that It's a whole different thing whole different thing

But in order to qualify to be a candidate for the united states president Or to be the president you have to have natural born Uh citizens both parents And even according to the the net uh, the the uh, united nations laws United nations was a british citizen. He is a british citizen himself Yes, he's a dual citizen. I knew that no, I actually I knew that everybody got attention and the laws when he was born Said you had to have both parents

Uh, be citizens, uh, who were who were actually born here. They've since I believe changed the law going from memory But now he is illegitimate and they used the whole thing about where is he really from as a distraction It's only a distraction because you guys started a bunch of incredibly racist conspiracy theories about Um, obama not being a citizen. I don't care about any of that stuff gory. I just want to I just want to say Uh, do you know how many presidents would not be eligible for the presidency? Hmm, um, let's just go if that was in the constitution You mean are you going to talk about the founding fathers? Let's just go with all of them Well, no because in the constitution there is a caveat given natural born citizen or citizen at the time of the constitution

Right being passed. So there was a like a workaround for the early presidents and stuff like that No, I'm just saying if they had a Both parents had to be. Oh, yeah, that's that kind of thing. That's ridiculous. Of course. That's stupid. That's an internet meme That's an insane thing. That's just something from right wing message. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't give a shit about that But I wanted to I left this clip in for a reason and that's because I wanted to tell you about how I started reading a little bit About obama's dad barack obama senior and I found out that obama's childhood home was located at 625 11th avenue in honolulu, hawaii That's about five blocks from my childhood home in hawaii Really quarter of eighth and harding in a house that all the locals insisted was haunted

Um, we both lived in kai mu ki the uh neighborhood in hawaii like it's very close I've a hundred percent been Around where obama's childhood home was when I was a child and no one gave a shit Well, your home was your home was haunted, of course by the ghost of his birth certificate Oh the kasha the kasha the japanese vengeful ghost of kai mu ki the kasha of kai mu ki is They're around uh, there's a there's some websites you can find out about the this ghost that lived in my house Uh, but here's the thing There's a lot of really weird parallels between my life and obama's life

And if alex really wanted to I would love it if he tried to spend a fun conspiracy out of it So i'm gonna give him a few breadcrumbs. Okay, here we go when I was a child I lived a couple blocks from obama's childhood home in kai mu ki in honolulu, hawaii. All right. There's one alex How old is obama? Uh older than me. How old are you? Uh younger than obama The timeline doesn't work out quite well, okay But my dad was at harvard at the same time that obama was at harvard My dad was studying for his doctorate in religious studies at harvard at the same time barack obama Was at harvard then later we moved to honolulu. Okay, my dad, uh,

What did research at the east west center? Okay, which is an offshoot of the university of hawaii. Yeah obama was also at the east west center around the same time That's crazy. Think about all these connections. Am I obama? Is your dad obama? Who knows? Yeah So alex have fun with that do something. I don't know what you want to do, but do something with that That would have been the greatest reveal of all time If you were no if you were actually obama if obama had started a podcast with an asshole And we in all of our photos. Well, he's been like, wow, we can't we can't have some age regression

software Got me this nice beard and all of a sudden I'm doing a podcast about how this guy's an asshole because he said I smelled like sulfur during the last campaign I found that very insulting and so now here we are solid reveal, right Um, so yeah, I just want that I want that to become a conspiracy that alex spins somehow that i'm Involved in that you're that you're oh you're obama's secret love child something like that. Who knows you can do that Why not? I I here's the thing

We can't ever guess what the actual end result would be But I want to know how all that information will be filtered by him Yeah, I want to know what those little factoids the fact that we lived very near each other in our childhood homes at different times But same neighborhood very close to each other. My house was also haunted My dad was at both harvard and the east west center at the same time as obama, right go with it, buddy Do something that does sound like an internet like one of those ready It sounds like one of those algorithm generator things where it's like you put in two or three bits of information And then it auto generates a conspiracy theory based around what alex jones would say

There's more literal facts to this than so many other conspiracy. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah No, no for sure. I found these pieces of information out and I told my dad I was like, hey, you know You were at harvard and the east west center at the same time as obama. He's like obama was at the east west center He had no idea. He's like that's fucked up. I do remember smelling sulfur. Oh, no a lot of flies So, uh, this caller, uh, who is a radio affiliate goes on This is just embarrassing because he like that idea that both of your parents need to be naturalized citizens Or natural born citizens insane. It's nonsense. It's not in the constitution at all

Absolutely not and that's fine for a caller to say But it's fucked up to hear alex agree with the caller as if like, yes, I know this to be true when it is absolutely not Yeah, no, it it it the laws are not changed Do you have to be a natural born citizen or your parents at least have to be naturalized citizens before your Yes, both of them. It's in the constitution. Why? Who would put that in that? That's the way it is. No, no, you're right But I believe at the time that was the law and you're right. It's in the constitution I think they claim they have a law that changed it, but you're right. It's in the constitution

You can't do that without a law to change the constitution convention Yeah, you can't write a law to change the constitution No, no, he gets to at the end as you you were talking over it a little bit But he's like that would require a constitutional convention a con con or whatever Which is fine, but all of it didn't happen and all of it's not real none of it's so Cool I like I love that Alex is gaslighting his audience about the constitution now like the idea He's like it's next level shit. There's nothing here that isn't like

Emotionally manipulative and abusive Towards the people listening weird. Yeah, so I mean like of all the like for a patriot Like liberty freedom loving show The last thing you want to gaslight your audience about is the constitution. Yeah, absolutely unless you're a propagandist And then the first thing you would only think wow If you're a propagandist what you want to gaslight your audience about is what is propaganda? And now he's gonna do that. He's going to define propaganda in a very gaslighty way But didn't he define gaslight by using the definitional terms for it?

So wouldn't he then define propaganda by using the definitional terms for it? No, he uses he defines propaganda in a way that uh defies reality The word propaganda Just means information to get something political done. You want black propaganda means lies White propaganda means truth great propaganda means spin. I use white propaganda. So I want to be clear about Terms clear about the term out there when I talk about gun violence lowering after gun ownership Increases and I have the FBI statistics. That's white propaganda. Okay, so I want to be specific about that go ahead that is not uh

Real uh, first of all, have you ever heard the terms white black and gray propaganda before? I mean I have from alex. Yeah, definitely. Okay So Have you heard the terms white gray and black before I've heard white propaganda in terms of like white Supremacist, right? See now that one. He's absolutely dead on I agree with him in that he uses white propaganda Yeah, I think actually I probably have heard similar things from kerry cassidy. I think I've probably heard some of that stuff Um, she does have this sort of like light and dark Uh dichotomy uh in in in her worldview. Yeah, so I think I've definitely heard some of that idea of like

But she also kind of does light and dark as opposed to white and dark, but Whatever the case is uh, not in reality, right propaganda. Well, she does do gray propaganda, but only for the grays Propaganda is not just information used to get something done That is an incomplete Definition of propaganda incomplete is a great way of putting it. Yeah And to tell your audience like what I do is white propaganda that is and the definition that he's providing of propaganda. It's That's that's gaslighting. That is yeah, absolutely because if if you're if you're there if you're at the situation where propaganda is so nebulously and

Not defined as to be literally saying anything to do anything And then you create these subsets of propaganda where there's white propaganda black propaganda and gray propaganda You're setting yourself up as a white propagandist and because your definition of propaganda is saying something to do anything Right everybody else who is not saying the same thing you are saying is a black propaganda or gray Or gray propaganda, but even in alex's own conception of the shades of propaganda. He's a gray propagandist because The example these are 50 shades of gray propagandists. Well, I don't know if he's into bdsm, but the example I don't The example that he uses is I showed you that crime rates went down as gun ownership went up

And he's implying that there's a causal relationship there whereas there may not be right So his definition of gray propaganda is spin and based on his example of what I do as white propaganda That is spin. So you're actually a gray propagandist even in your own Conception and all this doesn't matter. You're a fucking propagandist. Yeah. Yeah, you should really know what white propaganda is People telling you facts like that's not propaganda Information is not propaganda No, that's why there was humor remember when we did that episode on the guy The uh, uh, bernese. Yeah, the guy who invented the term. Yeah, even he wasn't like well see there's good propaganda

And then there's bad propaganda and then there's gray propaganda marketing. Yeah, he fucking Trained gerome coursey who actually shows up on this episode and it was so boring that we don't have any clips of it He didn't even bother to gaslight us. I was really hoping he would have something to say about sandy hook but all he says is like He believes it's any hook. No, it's just uh, you know psych beds You know psych beds and just like that's kind of a boring or like angle for Jerome fucking coursey to have psych beds psych meds psych meds. Oh, okay I was expecting him to come in with something really irresponsible and it was just like, uh, this is bush league

Uh, but yeah, this is this is an unfair definition of propaganda and passing it off on your audience this way is Unfair. It's uh, it's no good. Absolutely silly. So alex tries to get back to these pro obama callers and pro obama callers Right, he gets a call from this lady who is like I am in favor of obama, but I need you to understand. I was a ron paul supporter But as ron paul was unable to win the election, obviously Yeah, it became a situation where it's uh, obama or romney and uh, paul ryan And they are clearly going to take away women's rights. They're going to infringe on my rights So what the fuck am I supposed to do? I went with obama like what she has made the first reasonable argument

I can I can remember on this podcast Like legitimately I cannot think of any more reasonable in like and it's still an info warzian argument It's still like a I don't trust obama. I want that libertarian ron paul But at the same time it's not romney is a fucking Mormon who's going to take my uterus and force me to make babies with it It's naively believing that ron paul is somehow going to be better. Oh, yeah. No, he's gonna do the same thing Right. Um, but whatever whatever the case is there. It is like The closest to like good good call. Yeah, logic and it throws alex for a really weird loop And he starts sort of moving the goalpost a bunch like trying to make like

It completely unrelated arguments and then finally the caller gets sick and tired of it Yeah, and she just lays out what she thinks the problem in america is Alex I want to say something controversial and I don't care if it gets everyone mad But i'm gonna say to me the reason this country is going to you know, where is because of old white men who are running the senate in congress Who have been running it? We have what one percent of mexican and and black people that are in the congress senate No, it's not. It's uh, are you kidding? It's all all time record high. There's like 20 women in the senate alone uh 17 old men running this country the senate man, man, man. Hold on man. I mean you are are you really this ding ding batted

Where it's just fun to hold on. I know the democrats are all about race. You sound like a white lady I don't know if you are That that right there alone is crazy. All right, the democrats are all about race. You sound like a white lady Like oh, uh, those two So I wouldn't have expected this coming from you those two thoughts are strange to come back to back But the point is it's like just fun to put down white people and I get that's fun I mean, that's the new trendy thing. No old white man. Uh, you know jump very different. It's fun, too the point is

Is that certainly uh You know, man that diane feinstein, you know is a quote white lady And she's saying turn our guns in so if she's white if being white's bad I guess she's a woman though. I must make it. Okay. Do you support us turning our guns in her answer was of course not Um, yeah, because the answer is of course. She's trying to follow up follow a logical line through I make a point you respond with obfuscation. I'll still go along with your point Whatever the senate releases demographic information about every single session of congress This was the 112th congress and here's the actual breakdown of it

16.8 percent of congress were women in 2012 with a total of 91 persons elected. Uh, who were women 17 of whom were in the senate Only 8.1 percent of congress were african-american not a single one of them in the senate There were literally more radio talk show hosts than african americans in the senate that session There were more former astronauts than african americans There were more former comedians than african-americans in the senate in the 112th uh session Because alfrank it. Yeah. No, I got it. I got it. I got a second. No. No. I got the alfrankan reference

I got it right away. Uh, the average age in congress was 62.2 years uh for that session Which is considerably higher than regular years, uh, generally speaking and was uh, the congress was overwhelmingly white This woman is not far off from describing the reality that she sees in front of her like it's it's pretty accurate She says that there was a 1 representation of african-americans in congress and then she says the senate Alex talks over her as she says the senate. Yeah, and the number is actually zero percent uh, so There you go white people made up 96 of the senate and 82 of the house in that session Nothing about the dem uh demographics of the 112 uh 12th congress comes even close to matching the demographics of the united states population

Yeah, of course not the point that she's making is incredibly valid. Alex can't handle it And so he starts obfuscating and trying to uh move the goalposts change the argument that she's actually making Which you see happen so crazily here. Yeah in this next clip. Alex accuses her of wanting the mexican, uh, Congress to replace our congress is that what you'd want because there's less white people in it So we just do a swaperoony basically, okay, and keep this in mind That would be an interesting experiment what he's doing. I wouldn't mind it actually what he's doing is gaslighting her Oh, man, man, man. Did you hear me? The president is a puppet We're talking about how you're supporting a puppet

Alex we're gonna agree to disagree. I know but but see you like obama, but you don't like turning your guns in No, I'm not gonna ask you a question Should we should we get rid of our congress and put in the mexican congress? Would that make things better? I think we should start all over here But wait a minute. You just said maybe we should go down to mexico That's kind of what the north american union is and bring all those great people because they're hispanic Up here to run that they would do a better job. You're I think she's actually right folks. We got to continue here. Let's continue So in that clip you heard him say should we do this?

He's presenting it as if he's asking her a question She says no and then he implies that earlier. She said we should bring all these she never said that Alex is just making that up. This is gaslighting. It's gaslighting his audience. It's gaslighting her live on the phone Yeah, pretending that she said something earlier that she didn't say remember when you said that argument It's insane. This is uh, this is an abusive program. Yeah, it is it is really insidious gaslighting Like it's it's oh, yeah, it's it's kind of it's it's It's to the point the title should be the gaslighting episode Yeah, because he makes such a big deal out of it that we have to also and you see it everywhere

When you get close attention to it. It's everywhere. Yeah, yeah It is it's it's so because no matter how strong your will is you are going to have a unless you're a psychopath like alex You're going to have that moment where you're like wait Am I crazy? Gaslighting is that constant. Did I say that the mexican congress should be brought up? I don't remember saying that But I've said I don't think I said that I said a lot The problem is that there's too many old white dudes Right in in the congress, which I think is a fair criticism. It's a valid point

Did he come back and talk to me about that? No, he just said that we should switch the mexican congress in the I don't remember saying that But I I've said, you know what this has gotten a little heated. Maybe I did say that and I didn't remember He has the ability to go out to break. So I guess he controls what the audience thinks. Yeah, it's insane It's nuts so, uh, he gets another pro obama caller and In this call, you'll see that this guy really isn't pro obama as much as he is anti republican

Which is fine, but I I don't think it's I don't think it's the premise alex wanted. Yeah, but it's what he It's not the premise he introduced, but it's exactly what he wanted to hear Let's go ahead and Talk to dave in montana dave go ahead. You're on the air alex I support obama Because I hate the republicans so much because they hate the tenth amendment They could have been in office. They could have ran away with the election

All they had to do was back up the 17 states that exercise the tenth amendment from marijuana and allowed their people to use medical cannabis and To use cannabis to hemp Rudial is part of the cannabis for industry and and and jobs And all right and liberty No, no, I hear you. I'm gonna go back to you dave. I'm gonna go back to you This is the best obama supporter call we've gotten in the five or six shows

Uh, our sections of broadcast that we've done No, shit because your callers generally suck and this guy isn't pro obama. He's not making pro obama statements He's saying the republicans blew it. So by default. I'm going to him Which isn't that different than what that woman was saying. Yeah, it just she had other ideas that alex was hostile towards This is pathetic like in terms of broadcasting. Also, he doesn't go back to him He just puts him on of course starts pontificating and then pretends that the guy hung up. Well, I mean, he's a fun guy I like Dave that guy. I like Dave wyoming. Dave seems nice Dave seems like a Dave seems high as fuck first off. Sure

Uh, and second, I just like is I just like is a slow meandering tone. He's not in a hurry. That's why I was put him on hold Yeah, he's not in a hurry to finish this thing Yeah, I mean it is what it is Um, so it's interesting because that call really was about the idea of like legalizing drugs Yeah cannabis whether it's for medical medicinal purposes or whether it's for industry hemp Clothing and what have you Great great if you're a libertarian You believe that everybody should be able to have these things and make their personal choices

His personal liberty demands it. Yeah, so that makes this next clip really hard to hear If you imagine that alex is a libertarian because I think this flies 100 counter to libertarian ideology I'm not a big supporter alcohol. I think it's more destructive than marijuana Uh, and I am for drug, uh, you know decriminalization, but also I think you know the state shouldn't be involved in alcohol It should be a local thing a criminal thing. You poison somebody with alcohol you sold you're going to prison Now you poison somebody with alcohol. You just get a fine. You see But sad issue No, that's not a side issue

I think a libertarian position on this You want to maximize freedom? Yeah If you drink a ton of booze You will poison yourself Everyone knows that. Yes. It's very clear. Yeah, you have the personal choice To take as much alcohol into your body as you decide to that's true It is not upon the free market to dictate how much booze should be sold to you. There is no

local State or federal government that should be able to step in and say what the business relationship between booze seller and booze buyer should be Just because it's a danger to you doesn't mean you shouldn't have access to that danger You are an adult. You are a free man You have the choices in front of you to poison yourself with this booze It has nothing to do with who sold it to you The fact that alex isn't like micro Managing this and making it should be a local issue as opposed to like the federal government. Yeah, that's so irrelevant at all to this

Libertarians a hundred percent would be like you drink yourself to death. No one else is responsible But you you did that you chose to do that in some way. Oh, sure. You got addiction. You had a choice to not have that addiction Yeah, it's like the idea that alex is saying that he's like that is not at all in line with any Libertarian thought that I've ever come in contact with right. Maybe there is some branch of libertarianism that is like Well, there should be some nanny state. I've never heard that Nanny state but local level. Yeah, I've I don't I don't know that to be a robust part of libertarian thought Well, if somebody who's been kicked out of many a bar for being over-served, I can tell you Generally speaking, they were right the entire time. Oh, I mean, I agree, but that's a different conversation

Yeah, yeah, what I'm saying is no, no, even a even a libertarian Even a libertarian should have the wherewithal to be like That one was on me guys. Um, you know what you get you get this round I don't want to sue the government over my free booze rights. Well, well, I mean, we're um, not libertarians No, absolutely. No, you recognize the idea of like, well, if you're in a certain state You are impaired and you don't know the extent of what you're taking into your body Yeah, but that there's no room for that within libertarian. They tend to be very hard line on There's a lot of absolutes. Yeah, they like absolutes. Yeah from everything I've experienced with libertarians. There's very very much

Cut and dry, right? Which white and black propaganda. No grand Which as obi-wan has told us Absolutes lead to the dark side, Dan. Right. So that's weird. It's very weird to hear alex say that. Yeah, I didn't expect that Um, so I also did well, I expected this next clip I was going to try and transition to be like I also didn't expect to hear this where alex says something really fucked up But I did expect this. This is stupid Okay, so do you not tell me how bad the republicans are the point is the republicans It represent the best people in this country

They are the people that soak up the energy of the libertarians Conservatives constitutionalists who compared to the average democrat are more productive Are more pro-human pro-life real people. Okay I mean, I the average democrat I know is a helpless Disconnected from reality incredibly weak stupid person who thinks they're real smart. What democrats do you know? I mean, who is he talking about? But I mean like

It's one thing to like say that you're above the right left republican democrat divide all that nonsense It's real hard to have that as your self-perception and then be on air being like Democrats are almost not people And the republicans I don't like them because they're not extreme enough, but they represent the best people. Yeah That's not good. I mean, he literally said republicans are real people. Yeah, well, they're realer Yeah, I mean it's it's a it's it's the republicans soak soak up the energy of the libertarians and they What are you soak up the energy? Oh, do you mean?

Exploit your dumb bullshit in order to cut taxes for the rich you goddamn moron. I think it's probably a part and parcel of like the idea that Democrats are into Generally speaking the civil rights act. Yes libertarians and Constitutionalists and those sorts of folks are not right and the republicans are also not that much either And so they soak up that energy They soak up the the they soak it up and they spit it out through white propaganda And so the the libertarians and the the constitutionalists all the sovereign citizens all these folks They find the democrat

policy set of positions Completely unacceptable. And so where do they go? They go to the republicans Now the republicans are too close to the middle too because they're not as overt as the libertarians constitutionalists And all that set. So yeah, that's what alex is saying basically. I mean, it's just They're not extreme enough It's a bummer. That's what I was saying. I don't think that's a shock to hear at all But the sentence the republicans represent the best people Is that is a pretty that sentence did surprise me a tiny bit just because it's pretty overt

What's the demographics? for Republican voters Do you think there's so would you say that there's a diverse set of republican voters on the whole? That's less than on the left for sure. Yeah, it sure seems like it doesn't it and yet they represent The best people it almost seems like you're trying to say something almost seems like that's uh gaslighting It could be it's more dog whistling, but whatever. Anyway, we have one last It could be gaslighting in the sense that you remember republicans being garbage all the time

And you saying that yeah, you remember you hate republicans. Yeah, and they're like, wow They represent the best they do represent the best people though Even though they're awful and they're garbage and the people they represented garbage historically So alex alex gets one final obama supporter caller and It would be way too long to play the entire call Because this guy is really fucking articulate and he makes a really good point and that is that like i'm a business traveler I live in canada and i'm all around i go all over the world and one of the most important things

I think in the united states government whether your puppet or not like the as a leader is stability And the idea that what obama is bringing to the table is a real sense of stability And it really makes a big difference around the world the places that i go to And it's really great to be able to come back to the united states It feels better coming in when there is a sense of like a steady hand at the wheel that sort of thing Point could not be more prescient Like obama Like let's if you want to litigate the obama presidency we can go all day

We can do that. That's no big deal. Right, but if you want to litigate obama's stability his appearance of a stable presidency You cannot well, but he even even with so fucking stable even with uh these people like alex and uh All of the other people savage and not trump. Yeah trying to make Tsunami waves. Yeah, like Absolutely. Yeah the ability to keep things moving. Um I mean, of course bad choices here and there obviously and bad very serious consequence choice for sure But yeah the ability to uh maintain poise uh

Did make a difference in terms of Stability, right? So this guy is a pretty good caller all things considered. Yeah, I give him a b plus because I'm never going to give an alex jones caller an a. Yeah, I know lady was kind of close Yeah, it's kind of close, but I'd still probably give her a b plus Um just because we had some high quality callers on the same episode I think that she had the potential to be a minus caller if alex didn't talk over her a bunch Because I think she had some other points to bring to the conversation. Oh, okay Well, she wasn't allowed to bring and that's not her fault. No, no, no, of course not

That's like the that's your base argument then for every caller not getting an a Because if you're if it's she had the chance to be an a minus, but alex talked over her literally everyone No, no, no, because who had the chance to be a lot of people even whatever they bring to the table is a d No, for sure She had she had a b plus with what I heard right But I also have to accept that I could be fantasy booking what alex talked over Yeah, could have had some bad points in there too that I didn't get to hear that would have brought her down to a c minus I thought mit romney was going to take my rights away and I couldn't have these n words it. Whoa

right, I don't think I don't think there's any chance that that was where she was going Yeah, but something else could have been like federal reserve is brought in by three people. Right, right That takes you down and that takes you down at least a lot. That's a c. Yeah, that's for sure a c But she comported herself quite well and so did that guy that that guy was a really interesting call Um, I wish I would have pulled some clips from it, but it really wasn't wasn't that Good of radio really, right? It was uh, it was alex kind of just being confused

um And it's more important what happens after the call because alex kind of loses it he Realizes he should have yelled at this guy. Yeah, and didn't he let too many good things come out right and uh So he doubles down at the end of this uh episode by just like uh Fuck I gotta ramble. It's real simple. Okay, folks If the globalists want your guns, you want guns if the globalists say don't buy gold

You want gold if the globalists say don't eat Organic food you want organic food if the globalists say it's good to radiate your food It's bad to radiate your food and then you can go look at the reasons it's bad But in every case if they say something's good, you better believe it's bad I mean they call this modern world empowering women Women aren't in power. They look like they've been run over I want to be clear. I have to pause the clip for a second This has nothing to do with anything that was discussed in that guy's call or anything like that. Yeah

This is a non sequitur him talking about women being empowered or anything like that This is just a laundry list of reverse psychology Examples, I guess weird Gaslight they've been gaslighted into thinking they're ugly When their family and everything is waiting for them And worshiping them and they're running everything women have always been the center of everything Women are running everything and they think they don't have anything because the television is there showing them This imaginary hollywood world. Let me tell you that in what hollywood's like. We all know that

All right, we've even he's been he's been yeah, he knows what hollywood. He knows the hollywood underbelly You can't keep me far. I get in I'm not bragging. I get invited Not in as much as I used to but I get invited to Behind the scenes huge world events world concerts you just You know skybox is it formula one with the you know top top five world rock band and Just you you know, he constantly and it's not that I'm against those people. They're less Maybe I should go meet with him stand around all fancy with bodyguards and you know preen

I mean, I guess that is success, but that is not what I'm into and not because I don't like status. I want status amongst thinkers. I want status amongst strong men and women You're in trouble status amongst artists. You're in trouble to be a peacock, but I want to influence them because I have a vein of primal human Liberty that I want to infect people with I accept the infect part. Yeah that one I accept. Yeah, that's the only word that rings true That what you want to do is infect people with you want to infect people and basically a brain worm That you you do I get this is just like this is crazy

Now I wish john ronson had interviewed the guy who asked him to do porn Oh, man, that would have been so good. Also possible that Yeah, you look great. I he showed me his penis. It was so sizable. I thought he would have a good shot I mean even as good of a investigator and a journalist as john ronson is there's a pretty good chance Be impossible to find that person because they don't exist That could also be a story alex is making It actually is andy daily as don de bello. It could be Um, so we've reached the end of this episode and like I really think that uh, it's it

I wanted more out of this episode. I want more out of all of her episodes. Yeah, of course, of course you do I want there to be more thrust. I want there to be more truth Anything, uh, and there's there's nothing happening here at the beginning of 2013. It's it's and there's not enough to dismiss Also, or there's too much to dismiss the idea of a bottle episode that we've just done essentially about alex Discovering the concept of gaslighting and then proceeding to gaslight at every possible turn I think there's a pretty strong humor and irony to that right But at the same time it really doesn't help us understand him more No, this is just a demonstration of him being a real pile of shit. Yeah, it's almost cute

Is cute the word I would describe it like I mean it seems like him absent consequences It could be kind of yeah, like he just it's like it's like somebody who turned the page on their word of the day calendar and realized that it It like the word of the day expressed so much about his life that he was so Hey, hey, hey, do you guys know what gaslighting is? Do you know what gaslighting is? Oh my god I can't wait to tell you all about this and then maybe yeah, yeah, we got it It's okay, and then he goes to the next fucking table and does it But then but before he leaves that table he tells those friends of his at that table things They didn't do in the past and pretends that they did and holds them accountable for things that they didn't do

Holy shit guys. I just learned about the word gaslighting. Do you know what gaslighting means? Uh, yeah, I know so do I I've always known what gaslighting means And you know that I have always known what gaslighting means I know what it means and have for forever I definitely didn't learn it today on my word of the day calendar. How dare you suggest what I just said. Yeah Yeah, so I don't know um It brings us to the end of this and uh, I don't know

It is what it is. I think I I you know what it's it's uh troublesome truth, but it's uh Uh always nice when we have multiple candidates for people who technically probably haven't killed a guy And we don't know their names because they're just these callers I like dave dave is ten from why dave is definitely not technically. Well, I actually know dave is from wyoming I feel like half the people in wyoming have a murder charge. Well, or at least like a vehicular manslaughter. Yeah Yeah, I don't know not funny. Let's leave him off the list and probably just say that that lady is doing good Um, so we'll be back with another episode on monday, but until then We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com. That's right. Uh, then we you could go to the twitters

That's right. Uh, it's at knowledge underscore fight. You bet it is you could probably go to uh, what's the other one facebook? Uh, committing crimes all over the place, but you can join our group go home and tell your mother you're brilliant That's right. We're no crimes committed there. Uh, we are on itunes download here right overcast Leave a review podcast addict. I like it over. I like overcast. It's good. Um, but uh, you know, we'll be back But for now, I I do feel like that lady who called in who brought up how old and white male the senate is or The entire congress is I think she was on to some shit. I doubt she's ever killed anybody I support somebody one guy who technically probably has and

Based on uh, john ronson's, uh reporting Maybe didn't kill somebody or maybe it's a whole other person. Yeah, who he almost. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a mess terrifying Terrifying to imagine what damage he's done to people's lives. Yeah um But he's still technically probably killed a guy. That's alex jones. Andy and chansis you're on the air. Thanks for holding Hello, alex. I'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you