Knowledge Fight - #280: Raptor Weddings and Sardinian Spiders

Episode Date: April 5, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a detour into Project Camelot world to go over the latest entry in the saga of Sweary Kerry's interviews with Mark Richards, a convicted murderer who likes to pretend he's a space warrior. In this installment, Kerry actually discusses Mark's crime, which is a bad move, since it kind of opens the door for Dan and Jordan to do the same.

Andy and Chanzos, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan.

Dan. Jordan. What was the last time you got a slice of pizza? I got- Just a slice. I got one last night. You got just a slice? Yeah, I went out for a slice.

Yep, I did. I was walking around. I had to go clear out some stuff from my old apartment, finishing up moving. Because when you move and you're done, it's never really done. And so I was walking back and I spotted a pizza place that I like along the way. And I went in and got a slice and it was pretty good. Nice. It wasn't as good as I remembered it, but it was pretty good. Have you ever had a bachi slice?

I have. They're too big. They are huge. Yes. And don't forget, terrible. Yeah, they're not good. They're garbage. Bachi is a place that has a cafeteria pizza is what it is here in Chicago. If you want a lot and it comes with a free drink also, which is not a bonus.

The whole thing costs $3 and a lifetime of regret. I think it's probably just for drunk people down in Wrigleyville. That's mostly what that bachi location is for. Not great pizza. Don't recommend it if you come to Chicago. Plenty of other options. Jordan, today- What's today?

I guess where I know a lot about Alex Jones. Oh yeah. I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. It doesn't matter because we're doing wacky Wednesday on Friday today. Like I said, I had to go clear out a bunch of stuff from this old apartment and also I've rejoined the gym near my house and I've been getting back into the routine of going to the gym. I started taking a Pilates class.

Love it. Which is out of character as hell. There's still some adjustment to the move happening and I felt like a good way for us to get back into a good natural rhythm and a good fun time would be to have a little trip down to Project Camelot. Love it. Because Jordan- This old apartment was Bob Vila, right?

This old house. Oh, okay. Never mind. Today, Carrie Cassidy has gone back to prison and interviewed Mark Richards. That could go either way. No. She could have gone back to prison just regularly. She wasn't in prison to begin with, so she couldn't go back.

Okay. But she went to go interview Mark Richards for her 10th time. Captain Mark Richards. Absolutely. And so here is an out of context drop from today's show. Clones are not reliable. I agree. I agree.

Can't trust them clones. I love this. I love it. I love it so much. She's making a very important point, you know, beneath all that, and that is that you can't rely on a clone. That's not to say that you can't trust them. It means that you can't rely on them.

Well, like, obviously your clone would never have helped you move. No, certainly not. No, of course not. It's not his responsibility. No, it would have left a bunch of shit in the apartment when we got out. Yeah, absolutely. That's an unreliable clone to have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you know what? There's some people who aren't clones. And I believe that we should start this episode off by giving a shout out to these non clones who have signed up and are supporting the show. Very reliable. Very reliable. These non clones. So first, I'd like to say thank you to Amy.

You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Amy. Thank you, Amy. Next, Natalie. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you, Natalie. Thank you very much, Natalie. Next, Darren. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Darren. Thank you very much, Darren.

Next, someone who donated on a little bit of an elevated level. We appreciate it. Oh, so very much. So, Sean, thank you so much. You are now a globalist. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone, someone, Sotomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Thank you, Sean. Thank you very much, Sean. And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an even elevated level above that. Uh-oh.

We appreciate that so very much. Jay, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark.

Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Bah, bah, bah, bah. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black ax. Black ax? He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, Jay.

Thank you very much, Jay. Uh, if you're listening out there and you think and I like what these guys do, I'd like to support the show. We can do that by going to our website, knowledge fight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. We would appreciate it because it makes all our dreams come true. And we pray it allows me to take a Pilates class in this apartment and talk about carry Cassidy going to prison to interview Mark Richard.

And let's be clear. We are a clone positive show. We are. We do not. We do not. We are a clone agnostic podcast. We have no stated position. Um, so Jordan today, uh, this is super interesting.

Uh, this is a very different, uh, sort of vibe here on project. Yeah. Well, the audio sounded weird. I wanted to bring that up. Uh, this is audio stinks. Yeah. I don't know what's going on. I don't know why Kerry's audio is very different, but it is.

And we're just going to have to deal with that. Okay. I don't know. There's no way for me to clean it up and I wouldn't even if I could. No, of course not. I'm not putting more work into this. I already spent forever preparing this episode. It's not your fault.

Fuck Kerry. She better do the work. Now there's other big news. Kerry has a new graphic that looks like something out of a, I don't know. 1993 PC video game. Okay. All right. I like it.

She's got lemmings going on. It's lemmings adjacent in terms of quality. Um, you remember those old Star Wars, uh, licensed games? Oh yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Oh boy.

It's pretty good. The ones that were like first person shooter kind of things. Yeah. Yeah. That quality of graphics. Oh boy. So she has that for Mark Richards. And it's like a triangular spacecraft coming in pretty strong.

I love it. And there's also a disclaimer. Oh, what's the disclaimer? Well, because she used cookies. No, it's scrolled through again, much like Star Trek. It's just visual. So I have to read it. And so I will now read you the disclaimer quote because of the convoluted nature of the

case against Mark and the fact coming out strong. I will say the case against Mark is not convoluted. The murder convoluted. Yes. The defense convoluted. Yes. The case against him. Pretty straightforward.

Pretty clean. So, uh, because of the convoluted nature of the case against Mark and the fact that as a journalist, I'm not allowed to use a recording device of any kind, not audio or video during interviews. I'm forced to rely on a dull pencil to scribble notes at the same time as asking questions. I mainly depend on my memory for reporting what Mark says during our interview. It's entirely possible for me to get some things wrong or even just slightly incorrect. However, since my work is heavily dependent on my ability to retain information in whatever

form, I have over time come to find for the most part, my memory recall is surprisingly accurate. Even at the disclaimer, she has to brag. Yep. When it comes to any inaccuracies, I take full responsibility and simply ask you understand the constraints within which I work. Lastly, any statements about individuals mentioned here are based on statements by Mark Richards. Project Camelot is not responsible for the statements made by Mark Richards, which are

then quoted below, nor for their accuracy. Further research and sources are available on my site and linked below. I've asked Mark Richards to follow up an overview of the case as he remembers it to supplement the following. This should be very helpful to augment my effort below. Once I receive this written report, I will include them here. That is way too long of a disclaimer to basically say nothing that you're about to see here is probably true at all, and also please don't sue me.

Yeah. That led me to believe, like, oh, she's going to defame somebody. Oh, yeah, for sure. There's something in this. Mark Richards has to have called somebody, a lizard, who might come after her. We have some pedophile accusations coming up. Oh, there it is. So this, like, disclaimer plays.

I'm like, that was too long. And then guess what? There's another wall of text. That's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. It might as well be because it just gives Mark's backstory. And I'm realizing that we have a lot of new listeners who come along, and a lot of them may not have heard our back episodes of covering Carrie Cassidy's visits down to prison to interview a space weirdo.

One of my favorite recurring situations. So I guess it would probably be in everyone's benefit to get everyone up to speed on the story a little bit. Thanks, Carrie. So here is the completely non-skeptical version of the story that Carrie presents. Okay. Quote, for over 30 years, Captain Mark Richards has been and still is a prisoner of the war between on and off-planet races that have dominated Earth for centuries.

He's an honorable officer in the Navy who, because of his rebellion against the Draco and Reptoids in parentheses, the Luciferian Alliance, he's considered a threat to their operations. Naturally. He was framed for a murder he is accused of having masterminded while he was on a mission off-planet in service to humanity. He was in the space 18. He was captain of a Starship Enterprise type vessel fighting the war against aliens bent

on the takeover of planet Earth. I am the only journalist who has interviewed him in person while he's been in prison. Point of order. The Starship Enterprise was not a warship. Nor could it talk. But they did have some... Oh yeah, absolutely. But they weren't out there to do battle.

No, no, no. Their job was exploration. Yeah. They were supposed to go further than man has ever gone, not fight Draco. Right. They were supposed to engage with things on weird levels. Yeah. So that's like...

I was already exhausted by the time I got through all that text. Love it. I was like, what the fuck? And that's all before we even get to this point of all of our episodes. Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot. Hi, Carrie. I'm here to discuss my latest interview with Captain Mark Richards of the Secret Space Program, or Space Command, as some people call it.

Fine, there's two names. I actually kind of like the audio now. It sounds like she's reporting from a bunker somewhere. You know, like she's gone into hiding. It sums up. I don't know what it is. Maybe she was recording from a backup computer or something like that. Or she dropped her computer in the tub.

There's some excuse for this. It's not forthcoming. And also the audio changes a little bit. And so like, get ready for maybe six of these clips to sound better and then it sounds like shit again. Fascinating. Just know that that's not your headphones. If you're listening out there. So in this next clip, again, it's a little bit more backstory.

It's sort of Carrie talking about how she's been talking to Mark forever. Of course. And how, why can he say secret shit that other people can't say? Why is that? She does not mention that it is because it's not true. No, that's not her angle. That's my angle. I am an investigative journalist, documentary filmmaker.

And I have been visiting Mark for around five years. Approximately once every six months and doing an in-depth interview with him about the secret space program. And because he is in prison, this gives him the ability and leeway to discuss what is in essence a way above top secret. And I believe the government allows him to talk simply because they believe he is discredited by the fact that he has been imprisoned for a murder he did not commit. I mean, I agree with the premise that he's discredited. Yeah. Absolutely. 100%.

100%. That's not news. We've heard her say that before, but again, this is just good getting up to speed kind of stuff. So whatever bullshit she's going to spin about these aliens and Mark's nonsense, that is why he can say these things is because the government gave him clearance to do it because he's in prison. And they know that everyone will just see him as the crazy dude in prison, which we do. That doesn't sound right. Generally speaking, when the government sees somebody, even if they are in prison telling the truth, they go, let's call it Chelsea Manning all over them. You know, like they go hard.

Right. Right. Even if they are in prison. Yeah. So this episode of Carrie's Mark Richards interview series is a little bit unlike all the rest and not just because of the terrible audio quality. It's different in that for whatever reason, Carrie decides to get into the details of why Mark is in prison on this episode. What? Yeah.

Oh no. Oh no. He's going to spin an absurd yarn that reinforces her narrative that he was off-planet at the time. Right. If so many of their past rodeos, we've just been able to listen and laugh at the nonsense about like raptor aliens killing people for chocolate and making cameos and Jurassic World and spider leadership. All that fun stuff. I forgot the Jurassic World cameos. Yeah.

That's great. They're all laughing at you. That is, that is gold. You go watch Jurassic World, they're laughing at you because that's a real raptor. That's a real raptor there. Not all of them. Not all of them. Just some.

This episode is very different because in this episode, Carrie's repeating lies about something that actually happened in the real world. And as such, I can research that. Oh, that's why we've got the disclaimer here. No, she gives a disclaimer for, we'll get to why. Okay. But that's, the fact that I can look into these things is not good news for the story that he was off-planet. And this couldn't have masterminded a murder because he totally masterminded a murder. Yeah.

100%. And it's hard receipts from around the day just to prove that he was not off-planet. Well, obviously they could fake that. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Oh yeah. Absolutely they could fake it.

Absolutely. So in this next clip, Carrie gets into some of the details in the particulars about the murder that Mark Richards 100% orchestrated. Yeah, totally. And it's not good because she gets some really base facts wrong. Just like, just like provable facts wrong. So this isn't good. He is said to be the mastermind of a so-called murder. Of?

Of an individual called Richard Baldwin. Called? And that murder was committed by two young boys at the time of the age of 18. And Richard Baldwin has been documented to be a pedophile. See, that last part I think might be why there's a disclaimer. Yeah. Because there isn't documentation that he was a pedophile. No.

I can find no evidence of that if he was. And great. You can say those things about him if you have that evidence. Sure. But I can see no evidence of it other than it just being asserted. And that's not good. That's usually not an issue though in 2019. You can pretty much say whatever you want.

Kind of. Yeah. So now the factual problem is that Crossan Hoover and this guy Andrew whose last name I'm not going to use because he was a minor and he wasn't charged with a crime. Okay. The two of them were both 17, not 18. Gotcha. So the age is wrong.

If she doesn't even know that. And it is a big difference because the difference between 17 and 18 in terms of the legal system for federal offenses. Kind of a big deal. It does matter. And so the fact that she is, she's fucking up that is not good. Well, I assume that she's not fucking it up so much as just repeating verbatim what Mark told her.

But Mark should know that too. Well, yeah, but Mark doesn't give a fuck. And Mark would probably say they were 18 anyways for the same reason that you just described. So it doesn't make it look like he's influencing minors to do stuff. Instead, he's just influencing minors to do stuff like get coal and all of that stuff. Right. Yeah, it's a mess. We'll get into some of his weirdness as we go along.

I read a lot for this episode. I doubt she did. No, she doesn't know the ages of the murderer and the guy who went and burgled Richard's house. Yeah, she didn't even bother with listening to the dollop on it. We'll get into a lot of the details of this. There is a slight overlap with some of the stuff that is in that the episode of the dollop the Pen Dragon episode, but they didn't go into all of the angles of the case necessarily.

So there's a lot of stuff that won't be overlapped, let's say. So in this next clip, Carrie starts talking about how this is all just really an attack on Mark's good name that's been going on. His good name. They're trying to besmirch him. This particular interview is concerned with the case and some of the things that Mark wanted to bring forward about the cut case that are not out there. There's been some interest in the public and in various sectors and with a specific group

that is attempting to discredit both Joanne Richards and Mark Richards as well as myself. At this point, I really thought she was talking about us. I was like, that sounds like us. That does sound like us. Yeah, I definitely tried to discredit all of you. No, I'm taking all of you. All of you. I was ready for her to be like it's a podcast out of Chicago.

It's not. It's a British dude. Oh, goddammit. In regard to the Mark Richards case. And so we are making an added effort here to reach the public with the accurate information. You're doing a bad job. So there's this British guy who will talk about a little bit later and he is going to release a docu series about the murder, about Baldwin's murder.

That sounds interesting. He recently released a trailer for it that I watched and I recommend everybody go watch it. It looks awesome. Yeah, because he talks to people across the spectrum of like he talks to Mark Richards ex-wife from the time like back when the murder happened. He talks to Croson Hoover, the guy who actually did the murder. He talks to people who knew Mark in college, talks to family members of the victim of Baldwin.

He talks to someone at least from the trailer. These people are all featured in the trailer. Someone else who is like a pen pal of Mark's in prison and she's like obscured her identity for privacy. But she's talking about how he's a total fraud and like he, it's brutal. I take it they didn't talk to Carrie. Here's the thing. Oh, no, they did.

Yes. Yes. So it's an entire like the trailer is an entire string of people being like, uh, like, Mark's ex-wife being like his behavior changed right after the murder. He became very weird and completely different. Yeah. Croson Hoover being like, yeah, I mean, Mark told me to finish the job hood. Like he was standing right next to me when I did it and all this stuff.

Wow. And it cuts to Carrie and she's sitting there next to him and she's like, no, he is innocent. He is working with the Raptors. It's just like, oh, no. I like it. So that's who Carrie is talking about right there. He was trying to discredit Mark and Joanne and her. And it's like, yes, yeah, you kind of, the truth has a way of discrediting you.

That's so much fun. I love that. I cannot wait for it to come out. I want Carrie on so many, any true crime documentary should have Carrie. Making a murderer sucks now because it didn't have Carrie insisting that the government was run by Raptors. I would, I would be very interested to get her in more contexts. I'm not going to disagree with you on that.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I look forward to that highly and I, I forgotten that guy's name, but I have it in my notes because he comes up later. And so we'll get to, we'll get to reference to that here in a little bit. But in this next clip, Carrie talks about how like she knows that Mark is legit. She just knows because she has a certain set of skills. Oh, no.

I can also testify to the fact that as an investigative journalist specializing in above top secret information from whistleblowers that I believe I am an excellent judge of character. And in this case, I can say that without any hesitation that Mark Richards is absolutely who he claims to be. Smash cut to pictures of Eddie Payne. Smash cut to, I mean, Jessica Schaub, the, the reverse. Yeah.

Like she's a better person than Carrie assessed her to be, but like she is a terrible judge of people's character. She has no idea. Absolute worst. Yeah. It's, it's hard to find a statement that wrong. That entire statement is wall to wall incorrect. Spiritually, factually, intent wise.

Yeah. There's just everything about it. It's, it's lousy from a T to B, top to bottom pile of trash, but it pales in comparison to this next clip. I feel like we're going to hear that a lot. Yeah. So we, we're not going to get to the murder just yet. Carrie's introduced it and we've seen that she does not have a good grasp of just factual

details. No. But what's interesting is Mark has an arch nemesis. It turns out that we didn't know about. Okay. Okay. Now I'm in. Yeah.

I'm, I'm glad to hear about this nemesis. And this is a real guy. Okay. Okay. I'm going to guess he has no idea who Mark Richards is, or at least he never did have an idea who Mark Richards is because he's been dead for a while. Well, naturally. There are some key takeaways from this interview.

First of all, Mark and his father's arch enemy, according to Mark. Bring in his father. James Jesus Angleton. And this is also the case for Kennedy. According to Mark Angleton was instrumental in the death of John F. Kennedy and the framing of Captain Mark Richards. That was the only one that I knew. That was the one I knew for effect.

Of course it was James who killed JFK. Angel Angleton. Yeah. Who is this guy? He was the head of counterintelligence to the CIA until 1975. But he was retired by the time. Mark was, I don't know, 14. I was going to say Mark was 29 in 1982 and he committed that murder.

And so like, what would it have been in 75? That would have been seven years earlier. Yeah. It's been like 22 when this dude retired from the CIA. Well, that was the first time that, you know, he finally had the chance to engage with his father's nemesis. This is a multi-generational fight across this. I imagine that the guy has a son, right?

Angleton? Yeah. Yeah. And actually two of his daughters came under the sway of a guru. I want more details in everybody. It's such a side issue that I didn't look into it. But on his Wikipedia page, there's a personal life section. Two of his daughters have converted to like following a swami.

Cool. I like it. Cool. I like it. Yeah. Yogi, I've read it. I'm going to tell you this right now. I don't give a shit about this.

Like in terms of stuff that I care about in Mark's story, the idea that he was set up by the CIA and this guy also was instrumental in killing Kennedy, it's too much. It's honestly too much. I don't understand. It doesn't matter. I'm more frustrated because I don't know where the Dutchman is in all of this. The Dutchman had to have been alive when JFK was... That's the Dutchman.

His dad was... The Dutchman. I thought his grandfather was the Dutchman. The Dutchman is his dad. The Dutchman is his dad? Oh, okay. Two of them fought side by side at the Battle of Dulce. You know that.

That's right. That's right. I apologize for getting you. There you go. I apologize. Yeah. I apologize for forgetting. Yeah.

No, that's... Ellis is the Dutchman. Ellis is the Dutchman. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. We have his real name now because it does come up in some of the news articles about

his son's murder. Yeah, that does sound right. But his son doing a murder. About his son murdering. Right. Yeah. So his dad was like a major in the services. Like he was actually a military man and all that stuff, but all the rest of it seems ludicrous.

His whole backstory is complete horseshit. But the reason that I don't care about this is like, I don't want to spend the next, like, I don't know, days of my life trying to figure out if this Angleton killed Kennedy. I don't want to do that. I think the work has been put in already. But that's a waste of my time. Exactly. And then further, I don't really care to do like some sort of a thing where like I'm

defending the CIA or anything like that. Absolutely not. Especially with like the CIA in the 70s and 80s. Yeah. No, I'm fine with them. I don't care. Blame them for killing Kennedy. I'm cool with that.

He's just trying to like hitch his wagon to that team of anti-CIA. I was going to say, it sounds more like he just read a book about the JFK assassination was like, oh man, I got to piggyback on that. Why haven't I already been doing that? Yeah. So that's one of the takeaways is that the Angleton who killed Kennedy is responsible for Mark being set up and put in prison. Naturally.

Instead of Mark orchestrating a murder and really fucking up the cover-up. Yeah, that would be a bad idea. But there's two more takeaways that Kerry has, and here's the first one. The second takeaway, major takeaway from this interview, is that there are six alien-derived AIs currently messing with Earth, and they do not have our best interests in mind. She doesn't elaborate on this. I like the way she puts it. They're messing with Earth.

Yeah. It's not like they're malicious, they're just fucking around. Aliens developed an AI with a sense of humor. They developed Tom Green as an AI. Yeah, their bum is on the Swedish or something. Yeah, I don't know. I really wish I knew more about what she was talking about, but it is not elaborated on. That's just thrown out there.

It does come back up later, but not with any greater details, except that this AI is alien in nature, I guess. Why do they need six? Do they have names? Some of them are competing. Wow! I don't know. Don't ask me.

Don't you dare fucking ask me. Not the CIA. The six of them are somehow like, some are on some team, some are on others. Of course they are. But they're all messing with us. Irrelevant. I love it. I love it.

Banished. Just toss it in there. Six AIs. No names. No details. They're fucking with us. Yeah. So the next takeaway, it's not really...

I don't think she lists it as a takeaway, but I think it's a takeaway. And maybe it's just because I took a Pilates class and I'm going back to the gym. Of course. It is great to hear that Mark is getting healthy. Oh, good. Update on prison life and Mark's health. His health has markedly improved. He is in training for a new job.

His head of the optical lab that supplies all eyewear for Medicaid. It is a highly technical job supervising around a hundred men as well as a number of robots that operate the machinery. He is also being trained on computers. The last time he was around computers on a job, in prison was where they were using very old software, he says. Yeah. He's also teaching a screenwriting class and group of inmates have 30 finished screenplays

that he believes might become the basis for a TV series not unlike Breaking Bad or Orange is the New Black. Yep. Yep. Now that's a good fit. That's a good fit. I like that. Absolutely.

Have him teach a screenwriting class. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. He's clearly been able to pull a yarn here for this story for a really long time. Yeah. I think that maybe he would need some editors or workshop setting to get some of these plot holes out of there that we've stumbled into over and over.

You might need a little bit of punch up. Yeah. Yeah. So that's great. I mean, he's getting some creative stuff going, screenplays. That class has 30 completed screenplays. 30. I want to get my hands on those.

I want one at least. I beg of Mark to send them to us so we can do a staged dramatic reading of them. We will. We will. Absolutely. We will do everything we can to get you an agent. We don't have agents. No, no room.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater good. Getting trained on computers, which is good. That's nice. So we move on. In this next clip, Carrie gets into the murder and I will be able to discuss this more in

depth and where her lies are because she is way off base in terms of like reality. And who, man, I read a lot of stuff. Good for him for bringing in some, some eyewear to everybody on Medicaid. Providing all of it. All of it. Bullshit. By himself. Bullshit.

Overseeing a team of 100. I would. I don't think they'd put him in charge of anybody. I feel like murder people right as we find out about in this. The murder and the trial, Mark states that he doesn't really know what happened because he wasn't there and the D.A. was given most or all of his info from this mysterious character, whose name is Andrew Campbell, who was supposedly at the scene of the crime, took part in the murder, but was never charged.

So here we have Carrie beginning to try and wade into the waters of discussing how Mark is innocent of the murder that he's in prison for and she does not get off to a strong start. The first problem is that Mark absolutely was there the night of the murder. Forensic evidence indicates that he was and his alibi changed repeatedly whenever the police revealed new details that contradicted his story. He would just, he would have one story and then they'd bring up a detail that they knew and he'd be like, well, and then he'd try and be like, well, I lied to you about that, but it was just because I was trying to, you know, I didn't want to admit that I had done

this innocuous thing, that sort of bullshit. What never changed and what was entirely consistent with forensic evidence and every sworn statement except Mark's is the confession of Cross and Hoover, the 17 year old employee of Mark's failing contracting company who physically killed Richard Baldwin. In order to explain just how dumb Carrie sounds in that last clip, I need to probably give you a little refresher course on the actual murder. In July 6th, 1982, Mark Richards and Cross and Hoover lured Richard Baldwin, allegedly a good friend of Mark's, to a garage under the pretense of looking at some of his classic

cars. Baldwin, aged 36, owned a vintage car restoration shop called the Classic Car, so he had a bunch of cool, really rare cars that he was working on in the shop, which makes this ruse not seem as crazy as it might initially sound. When they arrived, Mark and Cross and both knew they were going to kill and rob Baldwin, ultimately planning to sell off his cars and machinery to fund, well, a plan to take over Marin County. Yeah.

I'm intentionally going to ignore that aspect of this, where Mark was planning to create a kingdom for himself called Pendragon, specifically because Carrie is talking about the court case. And the court largely ignored Mark's imperial aspirations, mostly because it was completely unnecessary to prove his guilt. They were very specific about this isn't really relevant. See, this is the problem with the court system. They do not want to have fun because they could have had a great time.

I know, but it would have been so much more work for sure for no added charge. Right. But you already got him on murder. Yeah, but fun. Come on. So when they got into the garage, Mark gave Cross and a sign at which point Cross and hit Baldwin multiple times in the head with a baseball bat. Oh, baseball bat.

He didn't, he didn't give them a physical sign. No, no, no, no. He misunderstood. He had murdered comma now. Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay. So Baldwin stabbed Baldwin in the torso, but his weapon broke off. According to a recent interview, Cross and gave Mark then gave him a screwdriver and

told him to finish the job. Mark isn't a goofy eccentric space weirdo. He's the sort of cold blooded monster who can orchestrate and calmly watch someone he presented as a friend to be brutally murdered. Richard Baldwin was in Mark's wedding. Wow. They were friends and he was there was in my hand did Cross and Hoover a screwdriver and told him to finish murdering him.

That's crazy. Yeah. That is psychopath level shit. Yes. He was in his wedding. Yep. Well, I'm not sure to the extent he might have been an usher or something like that. Yeah.

He was involved in the wedding party. Even if he was invited to the wedding, you don't kill somebody. Right. And that was only three years prior. Jesus. So now Mark was charged with first degree murder and two counts of burglary. The reason there are two counts of burglary is where the other 17 year old Andrew comes in.

Prior to the murder, Mark had Andrew stay in Baldwin's house to take an inventory of things to steal. That was the extent of Andrew's involvement in the crime, but he probably was aware of what was going on. Well, yeah. The story that Kerry is telling is literally only supported by Mark's word, which is very unreliable. Obviously, I thought Mark was a total liar in a douche from the first time we talked

about him. But in preparation for this episode, I read a ton of transcripts, including a 131 page interview with the police that he gave right after he was arrested. And I've got to say that knowing what I know now, it's even more embarrassing that Kerry believes a word that he says. So he didn't even mention the secret space program in the original interview. He doesn't mention, he's trying to lie so hard in that interview. It's so embarrassing when you read over it, because the police are just being like, Hey

man, we know what happened. No, no, no, no, you don't know what happened. We're giving you the real story. So Kerry is saying that Andrew was inside and at the scene of the murder and he wasn't. He was in the he was at his house. He was at Baldwin's house getting the burglary started. Right. Right.

Why there's two charges of burglary because they burgled the house and burgled the garage. Gotcha. So that's that's a big, big piece of this. So these these interviews with the police are insane. So his interview is with two homicide detectives, one from the sheriff's office and one from San Rafael Police Department throughout the entire thing. The cops are trying to get Mark to understand that they've completely solved the case even before entering the room.

They keep trying to stress to him that they're only talking to him because they want to give him a chance to do the right thing and he never does. So there's 131 page interview of just lying them walking in saying, first off, we know what happened. Well, we are not. It starts with imp implying that they know what happened. Yeah. And then like 30 pages in or so they're like, I don't believe you.

Right. Yeah. So they started off with the like, we're playing, we're playing the interview interrogation game where we're like, we know more than you know, and that whole thing. And then later on, they're just like, dude, fuck off, we know what happens. Stop it. Yeah. We don't even want to be here anymore.

We are talking about how like they've been up all night. Yeah. Solving the very case they're talking about. Mark's first story is that he knows nothing. He wasn't involved at all and he hasn't heard anything. The cops and Mark go back and forth and no one's really enjoying themselves and tell about page 36 of the interview when the sheriff's detective says, quote, I don't believe you. I don't believe what you're saying.

I just feel that I'm wasting my time and if you and I can't be candid with one another, I think you ought to at least allow me the opportunity to go back to my office and go to work. I like that. That's a solid quote. And that's 36 pages. There are relatively, there's roughly a hundred more to go. Oh boy.

And up to that point, it's all just them letting him hang himself. Yeah. Like these lies that they know are lies. So at that point, after that sheriff, that detective says this, the other detective butts in. He says, quote, in addition to what Rich is saying, I have to tend to agree very strongly with what you're saying. I would point of order.

I would like to pop in and say, I also think you're an idiot and I hate you. Yeah. These dudes are not even playing good cop, bad cop. They're playing sick of the bullshit cop and equally sick of the bullshit cop. They're on such the same page. It's awesome. So they threaten to leave since Mark is wasting their time and they make it clear to him that if they leave, he isn't going to get another chance to talk to them.

His one opportunity to work with the police will be gone. If they leave that room. So Mark keeps begging them not to leave. And each time the cops reach their point of annoyance, they say they're going to leave. And magically Mark's story starts to change. Odd. Yeah. Odd.

Because he's trying to get the, and he keeps saying stuff like, I know that you're going to leave and I just, I don't have enough time to convince you that I'm, I'm innocent and all this. Right. They're like, we don't want you to convince us that you're innocent. We want you to tell the truth. And they keep saying stuff to him like, you understand that there's literally nothing you can say to us that will get you out of this.

They keep saying stuff like that. And he's like, yeah, I understand. Like, you know, you know, one more thing though. You know, there's not a magic word you can say that will convince us to let you not leave in handcuffs. Excuse me. Tubal King. It doesn't work.

Oh, damn it. That's just the judge, right? Yeah. So the detectives at one point are asking Mark about what rumors he's heard on the street about the murder, because he starts by having like this, this angle of like, I didn't, I didn't, I don't know anything I haven't heard anything, but as they threaten to leave and he starts to have this like a shit, I better start pretending that I was lying about something earlier.

Right. In order to adjust my statements, he starts trying to throw cross and Hoover under the bus. Okay. Crossy as he's called colloquially. Did he try, did he try the like, I couldn't have done it. I was, I, I didn't want to tell you because I was sleeping. I was cheating on my wife.

No. That's a solid one. No. I like that lie. He doesn't do that. But so by the, he starts implying that he's heard that Crossy did it. And so they want to know specifically about the rumors that he's heard on the street about the murder.

He relates that he heard that Crossy had committed the murder and was telling people that Mark was involved and planned it. So Mark is saying that he's aware that that's the story that's going around the street. I didn't know that earlier though. Of course not. I just heard that on the streets. So the exchange that follows is this detective, who'd you hear that from Mark? I'm not.

Wait a minute. I'm trying to think. So, you know, I'm sure you already know, and I'm not trying to lie. Okay. Detective. Detective, we sure do. And it's not that hard. They all work for you.

Mark. Okay. Yeah, I know. There's so many points like that. They're just like, you are fucking busted. I am not trying to lie. I need you to know that as soon as possible. Yeah.

I think that a liar is saying. Yeah. So there's a great moment on page 76. This is probably my favorite moment in the entire interview where the detectives just drop it on him and it goes like this, Mark, quote, I'm trying. Okay. Now I appreciate you think I'm feeding you a bunch of crock, but and you think that you caught me in two or three or a dozen lies or whatever, but I want you to and that detective.

We have. Mark. All right. Gotcha. Detective. We have. Gotcha. Did he knock on the table and go, you're busted.

Later they try and explain the problem to him, quote, this is the detective. You murdered somebody. Mark. The problem is you fucked up too many times and you associated with fools with very immature fools and very dangerous fools. To that Mark replies, yeah, there is an acceptance of his own culpability, but he's trying to wiggle out of it through the entire 131 pages of this interview. Oh, of course.

And they keep trying to make it clear to him, like you are making this worse. You know that we know things and you know that we know that you know things. Right. And they're trying to, they're not fucking with him or trying to coerce a confession or anything. They're just like, you are really, you're on my last nerve. But isn't that, isn't that what they say about psychopaths like this is that it, it doesn't matter.

They think they're so much smarter than you that it's like, whatever it is you're saying, that's fine. But I'm so much smarter than you. We can speak to this out. I can, I can find a way through this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So that interview is really, it was really fascinating because throughout the entire time that we've been covering Mark and Carrie's interviews, we've never heard his words. Right. We've really only heard Carrie's interpretation of them and stuff. Yeah. And so you could imagine that he's a slick talker and all this stuff. Turns out he's just an idiot.

I mean, based on this interview, it seems like it. It's really hard not to walk away from that thinking like, he's not that he's not a master manipulator. Right. The people who fall for him are just stupid as shit. Well, he has had almost 40 years to really get the story right this time, though. And he still hasn't. So she talks about in this next clip, Carrie talks about this Andrew gentleman, the 17

year old who was at Baldwin's house while the murder was going on. She has an interesting and bad theory about him. Okay. Andrew may be an assumed name. Joanne Richards, Mark's wife had tracked him down and he lives somewhere in central California. That's pretty fucked up. Oh, that's no good. Here's what I would say.

Andrew isn't an assumed name. That was his name when he was 17 fucking years old and Mark Richards lured him into a murder plot. The idea that he was operating under an assumed name is like a junior in high school on the off chance that he'd have the opportunity to help set up a notable space captain at the behest of the deep state is completely fucking absurd. What's not absurd is the idea that in the 30 or so years since the murder, Andrew may have changed his name because of people like Carrie and Joanne Richards.

Yeah, I would say so. I don't think that Carrie should be using Andrew's full name. He was a minor who wasn't charged with a crime and as such on a legal level, I believe his privacy should be protected. His name does appear in legal filings and in news stories from back then. Right. So I know it's not a secret. Right.

You know, his name appears in Mark's unsuccessful appeal that was filed on April 28th, 1988. But according to journalistic ethics, I think it's inappropriate to identify him. So I'm going to have bleeped out all the times that she uses his full name. Gotcha. Just in case. Combo breaker. Something like that. Yeah.

What you're doing isn't some kind of act of renegade journalism. This is targeted harassment of a private citizen who almost certainly just wants to live their life in peace and probably deeply regrets their involvement in this murder. Absolutely. 30 years prior. Yeah, no doubt. Who wasn't charged with anything and cooperated with the state after the fact, after realizing, oh shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we mentioned earlier that Mark wanted to take over Marin County. Yes, of course he did. He wanted to create a kingdom for himself. Who would? But look, dude, it's a misunderstanding.

How is that a misunderstanding? Because Mark was writing a book called Imperial Marin. Okay. Right? And so Kerry gets. So the plan wasn't a plan. It was part of the plot of his novel. Right.

Gotcha. And so Kerry gets into that in this next clip. I have two clear motives that were stated in the trial or during the length of the trial. And I do want to interject that motive one is based on the science fiction book, Imperial Marin, and I will put the book cover here and be quoting from the back of the book. Mark was writing, which took place in the future, whereas the story goes, Marin County has become a place, quote, environmentally sound and an absolutely democratic and free society.

That's nice. It concerns a planet-wide society led by hero kings. Wait, how's that democratic? A hero king? How's that totally democratic? A planet-wide society run by hero kings. Run by hero kings. Seems contradictory.

Are they? What's the term limit on hero king? I think it's a lifetime appointment. It's a lifetime appointment. It might be also sort of handed down generationally. Could be. Could be. Who were focused on creating a better future.

This novel, actually a series of seven books, was misrepresented in the courtroom and depressed as a takeover of Marin County. Easy mistake to make. It's very simple to make. That kind of mistake. Of course. So kid Cassidy, intrepid reporter and researcher is here and she's telling her audience that one of the two motives for Mark's crime that were argued in court was that he was planning

to take over Marin County, but it is just an innocent misunderstanding of this sci-fi novel. It was a manuscript. I should give you full disclosure here. I tried to buy a copy of Imperial Marin for this episode because I'm positive that it's full of rambling horseshit. That would be really fun to discuss. Yeah, I would love to read that.

Unfortunately, there is a page for it up on Amazon, but there are no copies available. That does not surprise me. As far as I can tell, the only place you can buy a copy is from Joanne Richards and there's no way I'm giving her a goddamn penny. Anyway, what Kerry is saying is completely stupid. The court specifically decided not to even argue that Mark was trying to take over Marin County or charge him with a crime for that because, like I said earlier, they didn't need to.

They had him dead to rights on a murder and felt that pretty much took care of the Mark Richards problem. Kind of seems like it would, yeah. Reading from Mark's unsuccessful appeal from 1988, where he tried to argue that the jury was prejudiced against him because he was planning to take over the county they lived in, which would tend to... But now that kind of, I mean, imagine that had worked. And it's like, well, you just admitted that you were trying to take over the county there,

so I guess we'll just charge you with that. Yeah, I think it's a tougher to argue that in court, and I think it would require a death penalty too. I think the idea of trying to plan a coup, I think that also would really complicate matters in a way you just don't want to broach. But so reading from this appeal, it clearly states, quote, the jury was instructed to consider the Pendragon evidence solely to the extent that it tends to establish the nature of the relationship between the defendant on the one hand, and Andrew and Crossan Hoover

on the other. You are not called upon to decide whether any aspect of the Pendragon activity was illegal, nor should you assume that it was. The defendant is not accused of plotting to overthrow Marin County, but of crimes of murder and burglary. I like the idea that you should not assume that, and don't assume that taking over Marin County is a crime. You don't know that.

Maybe it's fine. But it's important to maintain that for the preservation of like, because otherwise you would unfairly bias people against him most likely. Of course. But the idea that there is some bylaw in Marin County specifically that is like, it turns out it's not a crime to overthrow Marin County. It's just like one of those old, like you can't kiss a horse on Tuesday. You can't overthrow Marin County.

That just happens. So the prosecution was pretty careful about the whole Pendragon plot because they knew it was messy to put it simply. They didn't need the overthrowing Marin part to prove their case. All they needed it for was to establish that Mark was running a group of some sort and they Crossan Hoover and Andrew were in it and they did establish that. They did. The Pendragon plot was never used to establish a motive in court for the murder.

That's a straw man argument that Mark uses to pretend he was railroaded and Kerry is just repeating it, having done no actual research into the case. Of course. It's not hard to see vague parallels with Alex's current legal situation when you hear stuff like that. He's getting sued for his coverage of Sandy Hook and in his deposition, it's pretty clearly established that in early 2013, he based his horrible reporting on things Wolfgang Halbig said, which he never investigated or fact checked himself before presenting them as

truth. Similarly, Kerry is just taking the word of a lunatic as the gospel truth without fact checking a single bit of it. Granted, the stakes of the game Kerry is playing are way lower, but it deserves mention of how these people operate in pretty much the same way. Just take whatever these crazy people say and then pretend that it's vetted truth. Another interesting parallel with info wars in their world pops up and marks failed appeal. The court did find that some of the references to Pendragon in the initial trial went beyond

the intended scope of what they were there for, but didn't constitute any sort of miscarriage of justice and that it didn't really affect the outcome of the case. They say, quote, we agree with the appellant and some of the that some of the Pendragon evidence went beyond the purpose for which it was admitted, such as the reference attributed to the appellant about excluding blacks in the new form of government. All right. That's right. Mark's conceived utopian kingdom would be a white nationalist state.

Okay. This should come as no surprise to anybody. Nope. Nope. You see, Mark's a little bit of a racist. No. In his interview with the police, he describes the salesman from Montgomery Ward, who sold him a video camera as quote, tall guy brown hair.

He might have had some Mexican blood in him. That doesn't, there's, there's no reason to add that there's, that's, it was 82. That's speculative and stupid. It doesn't make any sense to throw that in there. Turns out Eddie Page is not the exception to the rule in terms of project Camelot guests. I'm starting to think a lot of these kooks are all racists. There's a lot of overlap. So they didn't use the overthrow of Marin or whatever misinterpretation Carrie could

be arguing about this Imperial Marin book. Sure. They didn't use that as a motive in court at all. That is a false argument that Carrie is making and is, is just horseshit. There's a second motive, the Carrie, you remember she said there was two? Yes, there were two. That was just the first one. Second one.

Clones. Nope. They're unreliable. Oh, God damn it. Second one though is very accurate as a motive. And the second motive attributed to Mark is a motive in which they claim Mark needed the money. The DA claimed, based on the testimony from Andrew, that Mark masterminded the murder

for the sum of $2,000. Oh, not enough. This was apparently substantiated based on a paper. The $2,000 number is just the amount of cash, I believe it was taken from his house. Yeah. Because he was planning on selling all the cars and all that stuff. Right. The amount of money that he would have stood to make off of the plot itself was much more

than $2,000. Right. And he would own Marin County. One of the reasons that he was, Baldwin was selected as a... Hero King. No, as a victim, is that he was known for having large amounts of money on him and at the garage. Gotcha. And a large cash, he did some cash beds, large cash caches.

Yeah. Cash caches? Cash caches. All right. That Mark's attorney Shapiro, and we'll talk more about him later, got Mark to sign after he was jailed and when he actually had no visible means of support. So this just really quick, which he's trying to say, because he spells it out in a later part, but it's not worth listening to it twice, which he's trying to make the argument that

Mark's lawyer, this Shapiro guy, what he did is he made Mark sign a piece of paper when he got into court that said that he was financially destitute. And Kerry is making the argument that he only signed that because he was once he was in prison. At the time. Yeah. He was flushed with cash. Of course.

So that's nonsense and completely stupid. Yeah. That's the argument she's trying to make. But it was simply untrue prior to the death of Baldwin. In fact, Mark states that Mark's wife at the time, Karen, during the year before the murder had spent over half a million dollars on furniture alone. You'll notice that she said, Mark said that Mark's ex-wife spent that much money on furniture. There's nothing at all that establishes this other than Mark saying it and it's absolutely

not true. Yeah. Where would you even put a half a million dollars worth of furniture? Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Mark states he was making far more money than was possible through his job as a contractor. I thought he was off-planning. Strangely, his ex-wife, Karen, who reportedly has a problem with alcohol at this time.

Oh boy. Does not seem to recall or has never been questioned on how often Mark was absent from home during their marriage. I would go with a lot. In reality, Mark's contracting business was a cover for money earned fighting in the secret space command. Wow. Naturally.

I mean, you're going to pay a guy for the secret space command. Yeah, for sure. So in the lead up to the murder, Mark was telling Cross and Hoover and Andrew that Richard Baldwin owed him a lot of money and he was getting sick and tired of Baldwin not paying up. Mark continued to use this narrative in his post-arrest interview with those detectives claiming that he'd done some home improvement work for Baldwin, which he was owed payment for and that it was tight times money wise because he wasn't getting this money that he needed from Baldwin and that was bothering him.

But he was presenting it in such a way as like, if I killed him, I couldn't get the money back from him that I needed, so it was almost exculpatory that he owed me money. Why would I kill him if he owed me money? He's an asset to me alive that he's not to me dead. Because you're stealing all of his stuff. So in his trial, it was shown that in fact, Mark owed Baldwin a large sum of money. Surprise. As Baldwin was one of the main creditors for Mark's contracting business, Baldwin had

floated Mark some credit and Mark was unable to pay him back and this pretty, is pretty firmly established in court as part of the motive for the murder, which is what, I mean, so Kerry is right. This one is an actual motive for the murder that was presented in court. Yeah. And actually it's one of the reasons that he got like hit with a much harder sentence is because it's a special circumstance of first degree murder with the intention of financial enrichment.

Yeah. And the qualification for that is something along the lines of like, you're trying to get money, but an essential piece of getting that money is killing somebody. Yeah. And because as opposed to you're trying to get money and you accidentally killed somebody or not accidentally, I mean like, incidentally killed somebody along the way. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. There's a difference between that and this is much worse. So Mark's contracting business was not a front from him fighting in the secret space program, because if it were, it would have been set up like a front. When a secret government entity creates a cut out front business, they make sure it looks like a real business. That's kind of important for the facade to actually work because you don't want to raise suspicions.

Of course. I'd like to read to you a passage from page 36 of the interview Mark did with the detectives after he was arrested detective. What's the name of your company, Mark? I don't really have one. We just work part time doing anything we can detective. So you're not in the yellow pages. Mark, no, no, I'm much too small for that.

I'm in the white pages. If this were a secret space program front, the very least they would have done is come up with a goddamn name for their front business. It was called Captain Mark Richard secret space program guy. No self-respecting secret space program is going to be like, all right, look, we got to pay for this superhero space captain, but obviously we can't just do it directly. So we need a business to funnel payment through. How about we have him run a completely unregistered odd jobs business where he employs minors?

Sounds good. Should we name the company? Nah, seems unnecessary. Come on. Come on. What are we going to do? What are we doing here? What?

Bullshit. Why would we name it? The very, the very idea of a secret space program operating this way is insulting. They have to be secret. It makes perfect sense because even the business has to be secret. Why would you name a business that has to be secret, Dan? Do we have any evidence he ever actually did any work for anyone ever? Based on his testimony, he fixed a fence.

Okay. See, there we go. But also Hoover might have knocked over that fence. It's a little complicated. There's a lot of ins and outs. Of course. Why would, why would I expect even the slightest odd job to be simple? Of course.

Very odd. It's also a job that most likely they created the need for in the first place. Yeah. Naturally. So in that interview with police, Mark even admits while still trying to print, pretend he had nothing to do with the murder that after he realized Baldwin was probably dead, which he knew he was dead at the point of the story that he's talking about. He's presenting it as I had a good reason to think he was probably dead.

And in that mindset, which is a fake mindset, but he's presenting it as that was his mindset. He went through Baldwin's house to try and find things to settle the debt he was pretending Baldwin owed him. At that point, Well, that's just, that's just a smart move. After he admits that the detective explains to Mark that he is basically just confessed to grave robbing. Well, yeah, but I mean, it was, he wasn't even, he wasn't, it was like, I mean, it wasn't

a grave. Well, he was in a garage. It's garage robbing. The issue is that like detail, the detective started to talk about various details that Mark knows or has to know that they know, but he thinks they might be bluffing. So they bring up like the safe that he took and stuff like that. And he's like, well, yeah, I mean, look, I went in, I didn't want to tell you this because I know it's fucked up, but I went in to his house after I figured he was already dead.

And I took that, but it was just because he owed me so much money. I needed to make back my money. And then, you know, it's that he wanted very innocent. Sounding story. Right. Because he needs to roll with whatever details are being presented to him. That's the skill that he has. Yeah.

And if you read that 131 page police interview, you get a real good sense of what he's doing to Carrie whenever she comes and visits. Yeah. Because she'll bring up something about raptors or Mantis beings. Right. And then he will adjust whatever his story is to accommodate whatever she's bringing to the proceedings. He's thrown in some improv training.

That's why Carrie, whenever she talks about him is like, he validates so many of the things that I already know from my research. Right. Therefore he's the greatest whistleblower of all time. Of course. Or he's a liar. He's telling you what you want to hear. Yeah.

He is an inveterate sociopath liar. And a racist. Yes. And a grave robber. And a grave robber. And a murderer. Mark also admitted that he used Baldwin's credit card after he was dead, but insisted that he had permission to do so.

Because that's how Baldwin came to him earlier and was like, Hey, if I ever died, please feel free to use my credit card. No, because Mark was still pretending that he wasn't sure that he was dead at the point that he was using the credit card. And the reason that he was fine to use it was because he owed him so much money and that's how Baldwin was going to pay off some of his debt was like, I have $1,000 limit on this card. So you can buy $1,000 worth of shit at Montgomery Ward or whatever.

And then I will pay that off over time. It'll give me time for the money, which is all bullshit. He just stole his credit card and started buying stuff after he was dead. From somebody who may or may not have Mexican blood in them, who worked at Montgomery Ward, who sold Mark a video camera using Baldwin's credit card. Yeah, gotcha. Real good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also, Mark. What's he going to do with the camera? I don't know. It just, I mean, it was 82, man. It was an exciting time to have a video camera. That's true. That's true. You're right.

Mark's wife at the time of the murder, Karen, has gone on record and testified that she was surprised by the money that Mark was spending in the days immediately after the murder, like when he bought a boat to take the body out into the bay. That sort of shit. Mark bought a boat with the money that he took from Baldwin to try and dispose of Baldwin's body. Wow. Mark bought a boat, like I said, some jewelry and that video camera, and she had no idea

where the money was coming from because his business was not going well and he owed a ton of money to creditors like Baldwin. She also had said that his behavior got really weird after the murder, including him repeatedly asking her if she would quote, always love him no matter what. Which is a bad sign. Oh boy. Oh boy. Yeah.

You're going to hear some very bad things about me that I did. Before I tell you what those are, though, I'm going to need confirmation that you will always love me. Thank you. Thank you in advance. I find the baby suspicious, but feel free to draw your own conclusions. I will not decide for you. Hey, honey, just as a pure hypothetical, let's say I were to kill somebody.

How would you feel? Go. Not. Maybe I wouldn't be for it. Right. No. Okay. How about this?

So in this next clip, Carrie is just rambling about nonsense because she wants to present the idea that Mark was the victim of a conspiracy. Sure. I know there's a lot of stuff about the case here at the beginning, but I assure you will get to some crazy bullshit at the end. Wonderful. But she talks a lot about the case. This is an added note.

I believe Richard Baldwin was selected as a victim by the team within the military and at the highest levels of power in Britain and the U.S. responsible for framing Mark Richards. I've come to the conclusion that the murder was orchestrated with Hoover selected as the Patsy due to his early history having been a victim of pedophilia and an unbalanced character. I also believe there is an underlying pedophile ring that is behind the scenes in the current campaign targeting Mark Richards. It is also significant that the individuals involved in targeting Mark Richards, Joanne

Richards, and myself at this time come from Britain, and I also understand that there is some motivation within what I believe is MJ-12. Who gives a shit? That's a lot of nonsense. Sure. Now, what Cary's trying to do there is sort of repackage some of the things that Hoover has said were part of why or how Mark manipulated him into committing the murder, and one part of it was that Mark knew that Hoover was violently homophobic, and so he told him that Baldwin

was gay. That was a part of the motivation that Mark used, the manipulation, in order to get him to hate Baldwin enough to do his bidding, that sort of thing. This idea of trying to repackage that as they knew he was a pedophile and Hoover was the victim of childhood abuse, that sort of thing is just really ugly to me. It's really gross. It's gross on a number of levels. They're exploiting him again in the same way that he was originally fucked with by

Mark Richards. They're doing twice over. Or at least using him as a prop. It's really offensive. Then also just the conflating, even if it's subconscious or on an abstract level, making equivalent that homosexuality and pedophilia is just disgusting. Always. Always pedophiles to get out of any bullshit.

Oh, yeah. Alexey. It's probably pedophile rings. That's why they don't talk about it. That's why everybody, they force them to get into these pedophile rings in order to get into the highest level of power so they can blackmail you anytime you want. Anything I've ever done is probably set up by pedophile rings. That just makes the most sense.

I mean, it's yet another connection to Alex Jones as well. We're seeing a bit of that today. Then the stuff about the British and the operation that's going on against her now is this docu series. Again, we're going to talk about it a little bit later, so we'll get into specifics. Let's know that that's what she's referencing, and the idea that the British are attacking him is just a guy who's making a documentary. In this next clip, I would say that most of what she says in this next clip is true, but

she's saying it in a different way than I believe it. All indications are that this targeting of Mark Richards is happening now after nearly 35 years since the verdict. This is because of my interviews with Captain Mark Richards, revealing the true nature of the alien presence and the secret space program as well as space command. I believe that this targeting is aimed at further discrediting Mark and me and my work as well as the work of Joanne Richards, Mark's wife. If you take out the part of it being to cover up the truth about space, that entirely explains

why I do these episodes. I am very motivated to discredit Mark Richards, very motivated to discredit and laugh at Gary Cassidy. Absolutely. We're targeting you because we want to discredit you. You're crazy. You probably lead people down bad paths. At the very least, insinuating that everybody is a fucking pedophile is going to get-

Yeah. Real child abusers as well. There are pedophile rings. We know that. Yeah. And you are hurting the- So just to paint your enemies with that is to, I mean, it's crying wolf a little bit. Absolutely.

And yeah, it's pretty gross. Oh, sure. There's another pedophile ring. No, actually, there is one this time. So yeah, we've heard it before, man. Right, right. So I don't think that that accusation of Baldwin being a pedophile necessarily comes from Mark Richards.

I'm not sure that it does. It may. It may. But I think that it comes from another guy. And that's a guy who is a guest blogger on Project Camelot. And a lot of the information, the background and the research in very heavy quotes about the case she's reading from a guy named Paul Collin who did a report on Project Camelot. And Kerry has this to say about him.

In order to be fully informed, you must see the investigation done by Camelot blogger Paul Collin. And I have already sort of detailed that and again put the links because this is such crucial information to get your facts right. So you need to, man. If you're going to, if you're going to know the context, if you're going to know about reality, you've got to read Paul Collin's report. This is fun because she's saying a lot of true things lying.

What do you mean? No, she's saying a lot of right things wrong. I don't know. She's like, yes, you, you have to get the reporting right. This is a sensitive issue. You are correct, Kerry. You are then wrong about all of it though. Yeah.

Paul Collin's a mess. Yeah. So Paul Collin for all I can tell is just a guest blogger on Kerry's website. He claims to be a former CIA agent, but so does everyone Kerry talks to. So I'm going to maintain my default position that I think that's bullshit. However, if Kerry thinks that it's so important that I see his evidence in order that I be fully informed on this case, what kind of researcher would I be if I didn't at least poke around a little and see what this guy has to offer?

You would be lazy. This is an important thing and you got to make sure you have your facts straight. Right. First things first. Kerry doesn't link to his reporting. She, she's copy and pasted the URL for his report into her show transcript, but that's a PDF file that you can't copy from. So in order to get to his report, you have to type out this long string of the URL in

fairness. It does lead to an actual page. That's great. I just bring this up to vent a little bit of my frustration about how unused or friendly her website is. So if you go to that page, you'll find that this report by Paul Collin isn't really about Mark Richards being framed, nor is it really about any truth about his case. His report is mostly just trying to attack the character of Kevin Daniel Moore, the

British documentary filmmaker who's working on that docu series about Baldwin's murder. Collin accuses him of quote, of having quote, secretive past involvement with central banking and financial services as a corporate secretary and corporate director while simultaneously working as a lowly telemarketer. Oh, that is done done. That's, uh, that's believe you could be a telemarketer in financial services or central banking. I don't particularly care about any of this garbage.

Even if everything this guy is saying is true, attacking a guy who's making a docu series about Mark Richards has literally nothing to do with what I know about Mark Richards. This is a classic case of damage control. And you know why they're doing it? It's because of what I told you earlier, because of, for reasons I can't possibly guess, Kerry agreed to be interviewed for Moore's docu series. And from the trailer of it, it doesn't look like she's painted in a very good light. Some say it makes her look like a crazy person or that it looks at things accurately.

Yeah. Well, of course she is going to agree because to her, she is telling the truth. And so this is an avenue to get her message out. To do the interview? Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. It makes perfect sense for her to do that.

It's, it's, it's a really vulnerable position to be in. She doesn't have final cut. Yeah. She doesn't know what this guy's, uh, thing is about or anything like that. She doesn't need to man, because she is in, if she is insulated by the truth, Dan, they're an innocent man does not need to, to hide anything and innocent man speaks truth to power and everyone sees it. Look, I love your passion, but, uh, that's bullshit.

That's absolute bullshit. Kerry knows that you made a huge mistake. Oh, of course. Agreeing to be in that documentary and now realizes that the whole thing is going to, uh, the whole documentary is going to be actual evidence of Mark's guilt. Interviews with Cross and Hoover, interviews with Mark's ex-wife Karen, interviews with people Mark knew in college, and all of it's going to illustrate the fundamental truth, uh, that Mark Richards is a sociopath who's been conning people his whole life.

On some level, Kerry knows that the producers of the documentary really only have any interest in talking to her. So she can be the example of his current victim and that this narrative that Kerry, uh, that's a narrative that Kerry can't really accept existing unchallenged. She can't argue her case on the facts. She's left to do that. All she can do is start rambling about raptors. So her only real strategy is to paint this documentarian as an agent of some satanic

cabal that pedophile network is clearly working with the reptilians against her and Mark's noble crusade. It's painfully transparent. So what's going on here? So her exhortation for you to get all the facts by going to this guest blogger's website is her saying, get your facts straight and him saying, that guy sucks. So the facts are, that guy sucks. He sucks and he's working for the aliens that we don't like.

Right. Right. Of course. And then the article that this dude wrote, it kind of deteriorates halfway through into a defensive screed about how great Kerry Cassidy is, which is boring, but it does give us this line, quote, furthermore, Kerry Cassidy exercises professionalism, high orders of discernment, courage, and with her integrity remaining intact. If people want a fair haired version of Alex Jones like guerrilla journalism broadcasting,

then they know where to turn their attention. Well, that was a little bit on the nose a little bit. That might have been, you might have wanted to keep that part quieter. That part might have wanted, you might have wanted to lower the volume on that part. Just on the facts, Paul Collins article is a piece of trash. He gets very basic pieces of information incorrect. For instance, he claims that Andrew was quote criminally charged with murder, but that is not true.

He goes on to even say that Andrew was sentenced to prison for the murder, which is categorically false. And even his counter to the version of the story that Kerry is presenting on this episode that we're listening to, he is fucking. If he's fucking up that kind of really basic fact of the case, I can't get myself to engage with his other unsourced assertions and possibly libelous claims about Baldwin being a pedophile, although that's another parallel about how Alex Jones operates and we'd be remiss not to point that out.

However, I should point out that on September 4th, 2018, Paul Collins posted a blog on Project Camelot's website that reads like he copy and pasted an email from a Nigerian Prince quote, on Friday, August 31st, 2018, I received some extremely difficult news negatively impacting my very survival as a human being working to enhance human knowledge ability worldwide. Of course, the US federal government wants me to pay back $2,500 US dollars. The US State Department 2006 repatriation loan that America used to remove me out of Eastern Europe to America on August 15th, 2006. The debt I owe they claim is overdue.

Hence, if I do not repay the US government within the next 30 days, they will levy a lien against my bank account, which means all donation monies from October 2018 moving forward to my bank account will automatically be deducted out of my bank account until their debt is paid in full. This means I can no longer ask for donations to feed myself, put gasoline in my van, pay my vehicle insurance, or pay my monthly smartphone bill. These are basic fundamental human necessities for me to conduct the 18 to 22 hour long days and nights I spend seven days a week researching and writing reports for Project Camelot.

Wow. If I cannot... That's... he's gotta do better. He's gotta negotiate for better labor rights. I can't imagine what he's doing in that time. 18 to 22 hours. There is no work shown on the page. If I cannot come up with their $2,500 in cash soon, there will be no further sense in

my living any worse than I am already now, homeless in a van without being able to qualify for any public assistance whatsoever. Did Roger Stone write that for him? Here's the thing, Jordan. Yeah. Yeah, Dan. Repatriation loans are not used to remove someone from a foreign country unless that person applies for the loan themselves because of a financial hardship and a need to return

to the US provided that they're a citizen. From the State Department's website, quote, the Department of State's Repatriation Loans program provides emergency loans to assist destitute Americans abroad who have no other source of funds to return to the United States. They include Americans temporarily abroad who are without funds because of unforeseen events like a theft, illness, or accident, individuals suffering from serious physical or mental illness who need to return to the United States for medical care, Americans residing abroad with an alien spouse needing assistance to escape an abusive situation, and individuals

caught in a disaster or emergency abroad who need to be removed from harm's way. Also guess what? If you have a good cause like a medical condition, poverty, inability to work, or something along those lines, there's a really easy to find form on the government's website which is called, quote, Repatriation Loan Waiver and Deferral Request Form. People can apply to have, quote, the whole or any portion of a repatriation loan completely waived. Officers will then perform a review, and if it's appropriate, they'll often waive these

loans entirely or in part, and in cases where they can't justify a waiver, they often allow a deferral of collections in order to set up future reviews to reconsider the applicant's financial situation down the road. It's a very forgiving system that's set up, uncharacteristically so, of the government. Yeah, that is a shocker. It seems kind of nice. Further, they have a really easy to find phone number and email address. It's very easy to Google, where loan recipients can work out payment plans at any point in

the life of their loan. The US Code 2671 Section D covers the establishment of the Repatriation Loan Program. Paragraph 4 clearly states that they don't refer any loans for litigation, except in cases where they are more than a year overdue on payment. Nowhere do they say that they'll place liens on people who don't pay, although I do accept that that's possibly a policy of the collection agencies that should get subcontracted out. I think it's possible. But according to the US Code, they seem to prefer to just apply some fees, and they only

litigate in any way. If you're a year overdue on a payment, not on the entire loan. Not the whole thing, but on just one. If you have a $2,500 Repatriation Loan, I'm positive you could get it cut down into, like, I don't know, the 15 payments of $200, or something like that. Pay a little extra and chop it down into tiny bits or whatever. Convenience fee to the government, something along those lines. Interest.

He's probably just had a $200 bill that he hasn't paid for a year, if this is even true at all. So I don't know. Anyway, my point here is that I don't trust Paul Collin, in the least. He seems real scammy, and this I need $2,500 and I need it fast post is a serious red flag. And then he also posted two more things on Project Camelot's thing. We're talking about how he desperately needs money. So red flags.

18 to 22 hours, and all he could write for a please desperately give me money is that short piece. And it really looks like a Nigerian Prince email kind of scam. Bad. Also, his post. It does sound like that. Do you remember the roommate scam that they used to have, where it's like, I would love to be your roommate for this apartment.

We'll get this all together. In order for me to do so, though, I'm going to need you to, you know, I'm going to need you to cash this check after I advance at that whole thing. There are a hundred variables. I think it's a simpler version of that that is just, it's almost like Sweep's week for it. Yeah. Here is a crisis.

Give us money. Right. That sort of thing. Right. Right. Right. Right. Also, his posts that Kerry linked to about Mark Richards haven't made me any more informed

about the murder that Mark totally orchestrated, but they did give me a chance to learn about repatriation loans. Yeah, that is nice. I didn't even know that that existed. Yeah. So I guess there's a silver lining to everything. That's nice. Yep.

So now we get back to Kerry talking about Mark's case, and this is just not true. Around the time of the murder, Mark had more than one construction company. He supervised crews that reported to him, and he had hundreds of people in the secret space program or secret space command who reported to him. Mark didn't have a name for his construction business. He didn't have two fucking construction businesses. In that interview with the police, it's very clear he's talking about it not going well. The business is not going well.

They ask him how many people he has working for him, and he says it's like six. He's talking about how one guy who he sold a gun to who works for him, he's not working for you now, right? And he's like, well, I mean, he would still work for me, but we don't have any work for him. So there's not a ton of work to do. He can't even employ the six people that he has. Right.

The only people who are probably actively working for him are Andrew and Crossie. Probably those are the only people who are on the crew that are actively working for him. Yeah. He has like phone numbers of five other guys if he needs them. Yeah. They'll subcontract out. This is, if you're Illinois, if you were born in Illinois and in the Midwest, at like

13, you'll get your first detasteling job, and it'll just be some random asshole. In my case, it was the PE teacher at my school who just show up with a half bus and be like, Hey, you, you and you, let's get out of here. Well, you know, it's not a real business. Well, I worked for myself, but I'd go and like mow people's yards and stuff like that. Yeah. It's, it's the equivalent of that. What was the name of your business?

He's a 29 year old murderer. That was actually the name of my business. Yeah. 29 year old murderer. Yeah. Yeah. We killer. Yeah.

So in this next clip, Carrie brings up something that she thinks is proving Mark's innocence in some way. But it actually makes the case so much worse against him. Apparently, there is also another young man named Willie Robles, who was not charged, but may have had something to do with the murder. Mark says that Robles was dating Hoover's sister at the time, who was dating Hoover's sister at the time and was said to go around saying he would bash someone's head in with a baseball bat if he got angry.

And this does mirror what happened in the murder, apparently. Apparently. Apparently. Carrie's trying to imply here that this Robles might actually be the person who killed Baldwin. Of course. In reality, William Robles is one of two other youths who have testified that Mark Richards approached them with his plan to murder Baldwin and sell his shit to make a load of cash. Mark has tried to attack their credibility by saying that they were drug dealers who

were trying to cut a deal. And it is true that one of those two, not Robles, the other guy, was arrested for selling marijuana, but the appeals court made it very clear that, quote, the officers who had signed declaration swearing that Neil and Robles were never offered any promise of leniency in any way for their testimony. So that's all a load of shit. The existence of these two other people is really damning as a piece of evidence against Mark.

It's two additional people who have sworn testimony that he tried to get them in on a murder plot that's identical to the one that he eventually did carry out. So. Hmm. Yeah. Or it's the lizards. He couldn't. He couldn't rewrite the plan.

He just kept the same one. Yeah. You got to edit. We're creatures of habit. You got to update it. I don't know. I'm telling you. It's nuts.

It's real nuts to see all of this and still be like, guys, reptilians, like, I like it. I like it because it's a certain amount of dedication to the idea. It's quite a bit. It is. It is in some ways admirable and in other ways, the real failings of the human race all in one, in one package. It's an Ian Abramson level commitment to a bet. Yeah.

That's what it is. So we get back to this idea of Baldwin being a pedophile in this next clip and we get some evidence question mark. So the way that Mark learned that Baldwin was a pedophile is that Mark's company was hired to remodel Baldwin's house. Mark's crew called him one day at the beginning of the job to say they found a huge amount of child porn in the house saying, you won't believe what we found. So Mark was contracted to work on his house.

Right. In that. Because he was his buddy. Right. And in that police interview, he was talking about how they were trying to put down a concrete slab for an extension of the building and stuff like that. Yeah. And he fixed that fence that Hoover might have hit, we're not entirely sure, vague on

the details, but this is a new wrinkle. And if this is true, which it's not, then this means that Mark discovered that Baldwin had a giant cache of child pornography and then didn't report him to the police. It also means that Mark didn't disclose this in his three hour long interview with detectives after he was arrested for the murder. It also means that Mark didn't bring this up ever, nor did Croson Hoover or Andrew, two people who were working on Baldwin's house, who they were the contractors who were there working on it, who ostensibly maybe were the ones who Kerry is implying found this.

Well, let's just go. None of them have brought this up ever. Let's just go even a tiny bit more into making sense territory. You need money, right? Desperately. Right. You have this plan and your plan is to kill this guy. But then later you find out that he has child pornography, that you're not going to report

to the police. Now, why kill him when you could blackmail him? That makes the most sense to everybody involved, right? Totally. You don't have to kill that guy. And he's definitely not going to fucking, yeah, nope. Yeah. Then you've got this one.

He might kill you, but you have a lot of guns. But you'd be fine. Yeah. You're a white separatist who's trying to create his own kingdom. Right. You're working on a fucking laser. Yeah. What is he going to do?

You have nights. I really look at this and I assess it this way. I think that it's part of an attempt to minimize the death of Richard Baldwin. Of course. Of course. It's a cruel tactic to make you think, well, this guy kind of had it coming. You know, we had a huge collection of child pornography. Why should I give a fuck about him?

Right. Kerry never has to admit any guilt on Mark's part, but subconsciously she's implanting in the listener's mind the idea of like, if he did it, it was because he was hurting kids and we're all fine with him getting fucking taken out. Yeah. Aren't we? Yeah. Are you really going to do a life sentence for murdering a pedophile?

Right. Really? Yeah. Maybe five years tops. It's insane. Yeah. And I mean, look, if he did have child pornography, fucking me should have gone to prison and all that.

You know, like great. Yeah. But I need you to prove this first of all. How did they find it? Was it laying around? I don't know. They tell you prove it. Go fuck yourself with your stray accusations.

That's sort of my point. Now Jordan, we've been talking about Mark Richards for a long time, not only today, but for our lives. Yeah. We've been, we've been talking about him a bit because he's fascinating. It is surprising. Yeah. It is surprising how long we've been talking about Mark.

Mark Richards. He's the gift that keeps on giving. It doesn't seem to stop yet. Now, Jordan, the whole time we've been operating under the assumption that Mark was off-planet when the murder happened. We have? Well, because that's his alibi. That is, of course, what we have been operating.

Kerry says it all the fucking time. All the time. He was off-planet. Joey and Richard says the same thing. His current wife. Didn't seem like he mentioned it in that interview with the cops. No, not once. Not once.

He doesn't mention this either, but in this next clip, we get a new alibi and Kerry doesn't even bat an eyelash. I like it. I like a new alibi. This is insane. He's had 40 years to work on a really good alibi. Put your mic down because it's not great. Mark's alibi during the exact time of the murder was that he was eating lunch with his

parents at his parents' house. His lawyer, Shapiro, told him that would never be believed by the jury, however, it is notable that they could never place Mark at the scene of the crime. They could. Mark states that he had just returned from fighting a war in the Falklands, in which he was in a battle for the control of planet Earth. This was a turning point in the history of Earth, and if we had lost the battle, we would have lost control of Earth.

It was a battle with the alien races, the Draco, reptilians, and greys. The Raptors, and for more about the Raptors, please do see my other nine interviews with Captain Mark Richards, but the Raptors are featured in Steven Spielberg, Jurassic World, and other films very specifically. So that's fucked up, man. The idea, like she's been saying he's off-planet all the time, and now, like, the disclaimer at the beginning of the episode said he was off-planet. Now she's saying that he was having lunch with his parents, and his lawyers thought

that was unbelievable. The exact time of the murder as well. Right. And by the way, if he was fighting in the Falklands, even if he was fighting aliens, that's not off-planet. So off-planet is out the window. No, you're wrong. You're wrong.

It was the off-planet Falklands. Oh. There's one in the Beetlejuice system. I forgot. You know, and what we've always, and this is something that you've always heard this. We heard it from the very beginning in grade school. If you lose the Falklands, you lose the planet. Everybody knows that.

Right. That's an old saying. You learn that the first time you play risk. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Risk might come back up later.

That's fucked up. I mean, like, the only way you could make the argument that he was fighting off-planet would be that he was in a plane, and that's off the ground. Which is, that's a shady technicality. Also, you could have just asked your, you could have just asked his parents. I don't think they would talk to Kerry. No, no, no. I mean, for the alibi.

Oh. Why would the lawyer say that they wouldn't believe that? If they're credible. If both parents, yeah. If both parents were like, oh, he was eating lunch with us, the lawyer would be like, yes. Yeah, absolutely. Do that one. Yeah.

Don't do the off-planet thing. Right. Right. They would believe parents over, like, a 17-year-old who worked for him if, like, there could be establishing, like, there would be evidence. Yeah. It would not be hard to prove that. Were it true?

Yeah. It would be sorted out. Also, a small point. Richard Baldwin was murdered on July 6th, 1982. The war in the Falklands ended on June 14th, 1982. Secret war in the Falklands. He absolutely, Mark absolutely wasn't in the Falklands war. But even if he was, he could have easily been in that conflict and still made it back in

time to murder Richard Baldwin. So that is not an alibi. He had time. Yeah. He had time. He had a month. Whole month from June 6th, July 14th, almost a whole month. Boy.

Could have done it. 40 years and still can't write a good alibi. By the way, there were almost no U.S. personnel in the Falklands war. That was Britain and Argentina. Be it'll juice Falklands. Oh. Be it'll juice Falklands. Keep forgetting.

Come on, man. We sat like missiles and maybe a couple people. That was it. It was almost entirely the British and the Argentinians. Well, all we needed to do was send Captain Mark Richards. The Dutchman's son is going to sort out the Falklands all day. See that rebuttal is what ruins my argument. The fact that it's not zero could have been.

It could have been Mark. Yeah. Shit. Still statistically, it is possible. Still does not prove doubtful that he didn't kill Richard Baldwin. Boy, you really got to write. See this is the problem. I want to read his book now because he's had 40 years to write a good alibi and he's

not done it. I bet that book is just patently insane. Yeah, that's true. I need a copy. I want to read it. Yeah. So I wish I could find a PDF, but that obviously doesn't exist. There's no way.

So we know that Mark got set up. We know that now. I mean, Kerry's proved her case. Of course. Airtight. I find no holes. None. This is this is the opposite of Swiss cheese.

Nope. Zero holes in this thing. It is. It is like Jupiter in that it is 100% solid throughout. So we know. So we know that, right? We don't know why he was framed exactly, but Mark has told Kerry a theory that he has that I think is awesome.

And Mark claims that the raptors had his back and were at his beck and call. And he was very arrogant back then. He was 29. And he was boasting while in the Falklands about how the raptors saw him as a hero. He stated it was possibly because of this that they framed him for murder, although he doesn't know that for certain. But it's a pretty good theory. It is a great theory.

You know, I like it. He was walking around in the Falklands. He's a little braggie. He's a little braggie. Too cocky about how much the raptors love him. Hey, we all make mistakes when we're young. He's the son of the Dutchman. He thought he was.

He was hot shit. Yeah. He just won the Falklands war by himself as the only person the Americans sent. Yeah. I mean, of course he's going to brag a little bit about the raptors and then they got to come down hard on him. Well, not the raptors. The reptilians.

Right. Right. The reptilian. The Draco alliance. Yes. As it were. I like that idea. I really love it.

You're bragging too much about your alien cult that you have. I guess your hero worshiping. Yeah. And they're like, fuck you, bro. This is a story for murder. This is a story of hubris that is as old as time. Absolutely. So you brought the Dutchman there and we find out that Mark's dad was in play around the

time of the murder. He started the Falklands war, actually. He didn't start it, but he finished it. That war only lasted like two months, by the way. I mean, no war is good, but it's really weird to pick the Falklands war as like the deciding war for humanities. We will lose control of the planet if we lost the Falklands war because I mean, first of all, it's a very short war.

The United States, it was really the belligerence and it were really only Argentina and United Kingdom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He may have been referencing the Peter Falklands war. No, I think it's the last really major world event before he went to prison. Yeah, I would absolutely say so.

I think that's just why he thinks it's such a big deal. Right. Well, he's looked into the time period. If it's going to be an alibi for him, he has to put it around the same time. It has to be major. Yeah. It has to be a war. So.

Yeah. There you go. And so we get a little bit here in this next clip. And we get some news about the Dutchman and what he was up to around the time of the murder. Well, he was eating lunch. Also around the time of the murder, Ellis Lloyd Richards, Mark's father, was seen as a hero by the British and American Air Force and had just returned from fighting a war

with aliens in Kamchatka, Russia. I think that Mark has been playing risk in prison because that's one of the parts that's the part that's one of the few parts that you can actually that connects Russia to the United States around the sides of the board, the risk board. That makes a lot of sense. Kamchatka is one of the regions at risk because it was a, it was that's why they had the battle ground there. If he had brought up Irkutsk, I would be a hundred percent sure that he's just been playing

in prison. Like, Oh God, that'd be amazing because I don't know. They don't actually have the pieces for the risk board. You have to, you have to, yeah, you have to play it in your mind. Yeah. So his dad was fighting with aliens in Kamchatka. Naturally. Cool.

Right around that time. Right. Then he had time to go get lunch, of course. Absolutely. Yeah. So in this next clip, Carrie talks about how earlier, you know how I brought up that the Dutchman and Mark, their arch nemesis was this Angleton CIA guy, Carrie bring this story isn't true, man.

I like it when you don't even have the, you don't even have the ability to like give it anything. You're just like, dude, this is just not true. This is just whatever. Enjoy this not true story about Carrie having her life at risk or some shit. A side note, Project Camelot was directly threatened. We were forced to abruptly close down. We were told people would die, including us if we pursued an important line of research

involving a leaked document from Angleton's files. Oh no. We were forced to abruptly close down our investigation and fly back home. At the time, we had been scheduled to do an interview with a key contact when we received a phone call in our hotel room telling us to stop. We decided not to pursue our investigation after being threatened that if we did so sources related to our investigation would be killed. As a consequence, the Angleton connection to the Mark Richards case reveals a very high

and deep reason for him having been framed and imprisoned now for nearly 40 years. We are very aware of how high the Angleton connection goes with regard to the alien situation. I'm very aware of how high you sound. This is bullshit. Yeah, that's ridiculous. My firm just like boilerplate response to that is nope. I don't even care. I don't care at all.

I want none of that happened. I want now anytime I get super drunk. I really wish that blackout Jordan would just call Project Camelot all the time. Just say nonsense. Just say nonsense stuff. Absolutely great. Fantastic. Here's the real story.

We were going to interview this source and the guy was like, I don't think I really want to come and they're like, why don't you want to come? We really need to do this interview. I was probably I was threatened. You'll believe that. Yeah, I was threatened. They're going to kill me. Yada yada.

It was great knowing you. Hang up. Yeah. Yeah, that would work. Yeah. You'd be heard next big whistleblower. Yeah. So now Kerry presents the idea in this next clip that the entire case against Mark Richards

was only based on the testimony of this Andrew, the other guy, the other kid who was involved. I don't think that's true. It's not true. But then Kerry gets into something that is also not true. With regard to the trial, according to Mark, the DA relied exclusively on information provided by Andrew C above. And there appears that Andrew was highly likely to have been a CIA undercover agent on the scene orchestrating events while Hoover was the Patsy.

Oh, OK. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. 17 year old CIA orchestrator of PSYOP operation. They get to him young these days. They get to him so young. So stupid. This is so stupid.

This is just disappointingly stupid. But to hear someone repeating this shit is so stupid. It's like, I get why Mark would say it. I get that. Oh, of course. That part makes total sense. He's an inveterate liar. Why wouldn't he say it?

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. That part makes I have no qualms. Kerry, I'm disappointed in you. I have no faith in you and I'm disappointed. The idea that you're saying that this 17 year old who Mark completely lured into this murder plot, he's probably CIA, that's fucked up.

That's embarrassing. That makes me want to get like an old school projector. Write out those words and just project it up on Kerry's wall and just be like, Kerry, you said this. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to read that out loud and see how it sounds now? She believes it, I'm sure, or at least she's willing to believe it.

I don't know. I can't. I can't. I know. I can't believe that she's willing to believe it. Yeah, it's tough. She has to be fucking with it. Well, I mean, she is still saying that like this is what Mark said.

Right. So like, and yeah, but I think that you have a responsibility if you're like repeating these things like this is what Mark said, and he's full of shit. Yeah. At least a little something. Or at least introduce some sort of skeptical voice to the proceedings and it gets worse later. So in this next clip, you know, I don't know if you know this, but Mark got a divorce pretty

soon after the murder. I can. I can't believe it. I can believe it. His wife was kind of like, oh, that's why I got a video camera. Yeah. Not good. Do I get to keep the camera?

Can't enjoy that boat anymore. In the divorce. Do I get the boat? I don't think so. I think that boat was evidence. That's no good. Yeah. So she got a divorce from Mark, but it turns out that it was only because the mob made

her. The mob. Mark's wife at the time divorced him during the trial. Mark believes she was pressured by the mob to do so. The mob. She apparently had family. Her father who had ties to the mob. The mob.

At one point, the judge fell asleep during the trial. I don't blame him. Do not blame him. Unconnected. Well, the mob made him fall asleep too. I would suggest it was Mark that made him fall asleep. If there's one thing that I take away from that 131 page interview with the detectives, it's that like he's doing to them what he does to carry.

I think that is an important takeaway because it shows his patterns, like the way he works with new information being integrated. Absolutely. Like a shitty verbal kint, basically a usual suspects game he's trying to play, but these detectives are like, you're really bad at this. You fucked up. It reminds me so much of stone. Like anytime stone gets in trouble, you have, oh, no, no, absolutely.

But he's, you still got that same pattern every time where it's like, do this first. Say it didn't happen, blame somebody else, so on and so forth. Right. But I mean, most liars. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Don't you get bored?

Don't you get bored with your lies? But I don't think it's a matter of boredom. It's a compulsion. Like I don't think a lot of times people who are compulsive liars, I mean, it's right in the name. They're not really in control of being able to modulate when they lie or not. They just kind of do it. Yeah.

Yeah. Some can do it more strategically than others, but the lie is almost like a tick. Yeah. You know, and you get that, if you've ever met somebody who behaves that way, one of the things that's really hard about it is that like oftentimes there'll be lies that come out that are completely inconsequential things. And it's like, we didn't have to do that. And then you start to realize like you just can't control it.

I mean, it's not a terrible strategy either to just lie about everything all the time because then you don't even know if you're lying, you know, you lie all the time about stuff that's inconsequential. I think that that strategy is, oh, I think it's overstated as a good strategy because I think you, you... That sounds like a lie to me. I just did a finger gun. I just did some finger guns back and forth.

So that's the first thing that I take away from it that is like you get a real understanding and appreciation for his pattern as a liar. And then the second thing I take away from it is he's fucking boring because it takes forever for them to get anywhere with him in conversation. He's talking circles and trying to play little games and stuff like that, but it's, they're boring games. So that's why it takes 131 pages to get through what would probably have been 40 if it wasn't just full of him being like, now I know you're going to walk out, look, I need to, like I'm

trying to be honest, all this stuff and weaving boring lies while the detectives tell him we know what happened. Yeah. That could have been a very, very short interview. Yes, absolutely. But the point I'm trying to make is that like if this judge fell asleep, I get why. Because Mark was doing that in court. I'm sure.

Yeah. I'm surprised the two cops didn't fall asleep at one point. Well, they go out for coffee like three times. Okay. So that might have been a part of it. All right. Let's go get some coffee. Jesus Christ.

This fucking guy. Yeah, I'm sure. Christ. If there was a recorder in the coffee room, I'm sure you'd be like this fucking asshole. So all of what we're talking about is predicated on the idea that Richard Baldwin is dead because he got murdered. Oh, no. Is Richard Baldwin not even dead?

Lastly, Mark stated that it is also possible. Dick Baldwin is alive and well in a witness protection program. It's not. Why? But he wasn't a witness. Nope. He would have just be, he would just be in a protection program. Why would he be in a witness protection program?

Carrie, that's not how this works. But at least she is still saying that Mark told me this. That would be funny if he was a witness. We have to wait until like two episodes of Project Camelot from now where Carrie starts saying these things, but without the Mark told me this, that sort of shit. So yeah, he is not still alive. He was murdered with a baseball bat and a screwdriver and then had his body dumped in a bay, tied down with a motor from the boat.

Very amateurishly, and that's why his body came to the surface and was found and then Mark was arrested. Well, that's why his testimony really was so moving at the trial. After you've been killed like that and you float up again, you got to put him in a protection program. You've been through a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a great moment. That would have prejudice to the jury for sure. There's a great moment. One of my other favorites in that interview where they ask Mark a question and Mark is responding to it and it's about something that he had done a couple days prior and one of the detectives was like, do you think we weren't watching you? It's like those moments are like, they're really funny to look at because it's Mark Richard.

Yeah. But at the same time, I can put myself in that situation and that like feeling of hearing that like, oh, no, no, it would be the scariest fucking moment in the world. My whole game is up, but he still tries nevertheless. He persists. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. And try and try.

So little, little do you know this, Mark is innocent. He's not, but Kerry thinks he is and Mark is saying that he is, although Mark absolutely knows that he's not. And if only, look, man, here's the thing. Right after the trial, the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, they put out a report that exonerated Mark and it proved that he was totally innocent. Where did they put this report up? Well, just in the office break room.

It seems to have disappeared. Oh, God. Damn it. Every time. When Mark was arrested, the DIA Defense Intelligence Agency put together a report that refuted every charge against Mark. Mark believes that report still exists. At the time, there were several paper copies of the report made and distributed, which was

in 1982. And also it was sent to the DIA's office. The report was supposedly has disappeared, but there are still copies around. And if found, it would instantly free Mark. It ain't going to happen. If found. It ain't going to happen. If found is a really, not something that you want with exonerating evidence.

My friend, that report does not exist. That's a surprise. I can say that with almost complete certainty. I had to look up whether or not the DIA was even a real thing. I was like, because so little of this is believable, any time somebody says there's any agency at all, I'm going to look it up because it's like, this could not, this could just not be true. It could be a fake thing.

Yeah. Absolutely. I just showed your cards that you don't know a lot about the government structure. I don't know a lot about the intelligence agencies. I don't think that the DIA is something that comes up all that often. No, because it's just, well, I just looked it up and it's pretty much just military intelligence, you know, that kind of thing. It's not something that's relevant to most normal conversation.

So it makes sense that someone wouldn't know that it exists, but it does. That one's not made up, but the report is that is 100% made up. So now we get back to this documentary maker, this British guy. And they're really grasping at straws, trying to discredit him. And you'll see what I mean here in this next clip. See the background of KM as detailed in the investigation by Paul Collin, linked above. One of the key things about that individual is that he has a, I guess a sex shop in Amsterdam. Okay.

It's very possible that that's linked to the mob and to the gay mafia, et cetera. And that's my conjecture, not Mark's. Oops. You should have just blamed Mark for that. Yeah, you should not have made that your own conjecture. You could have kept that as somebody else's conjecture. So does that mean that anybody who has a sex shop is conceivably in the mafia or working with the gay mafia?

I really forgot this. Okay. Yes. His wife divorced him because of the mob. There's a lot of vague mob shit going on that I was at the mob or was it the gay mafia? The mob was involved in the divorce. The gay mafia is involved in this dildo shop in Amsterdam that this documentarian may or may not run.

I didn't even care to look into that. No, I'm fine with that either way. Yeah. That doesn't happen to you. Even if the gay mafia is involved, that doesn't bother me. Is there a gay mafia? Why not? Right.

I know there's a 3-6 mafia, so why not have a gay one? They're Academy Award winners. Absolutely. I think this is a lot of bullshit, but it also is demonstrative of just how weak this argument is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They found out that he sells dildos, maybe, or someone who has the same name as him runs a sex shop.

Frankly, I'm going to be honest with you. I think that only raises him in my estimation. It's completely moot to me. I do not give a shit. So look, dude, in this documentary, this guy tracked down a number of people, like this pen pal of Mark Bridges, family members of Baldwin, Mark's ex-wife, that sort of thing. One of the other people that he tracked down was someone who used to work for Mark and did not want to talk to him.

Now, this is very suspicious to Kerry. The Lindbergh baby. Bingo. And one of the people K.M. has contacted is someone who works for Mark. This person refused the interview and is loyal to Mark. Mark states, the only way K.M. could have gotten the man's name is from the side of the government involved with framing him. This contributes to proof that K.M. has been tasked by them to further discredit Mark Richards

and in the process, Joanne Richards and me. Can I offer an alternative explanation? He just asked some people. Yeah. Possible. Yeah. Possible. Just went to San Rafael and just started asking around with contractors.

Was this his lieutenant that we referenced on like his eighth or the seventh interview? No. Mark Richards has a guy in prison who is still working for him. No. Has he come back? No. Did the mob kill him? Probably the gay mafia.

Probably the gay mafia. No. He hasn't come back in the, I think Mark got moved to a different prison. He's not in Vacaville anymore. Okay. So he might not have his lieutenant around. Bastards. No.

He's talking about, K.R.Y. is talking about this documentary and finding someone who used to work for him in the contracting business and doesn't want to talk to him. They're saying that it's because he's loyal to Mark, although the alternative also is possible that he doesn't want to be involved in this. Which is smart. Hey, remember that, remember that thing that happened that really fucked everything up for you and kind of made people talk to you about it over and over and over and over again? Peace or past, you don't want to relive.

That you don't really feel like you need to have. Can we talk to you about that? No. Okay. Then we're good. You're loyal to Mark. You must be loyal to him. Right.

And then the other thing is like just really basic journalistic, investigative journalistic skills could find out the people who worked for him. Right. Like if you go to, like San Rafael, you go to Northern California, go around, ask some people, go to the, go to, like ask some relevant figures. He talked to Mark Richards ex-wife. Yeah. She would know some of the people that worked for him or at least be able to point him in

the right direction to find someone who does know. And the fact that you already talked to people that have previously worked for him. Oh, hey, guess what? He also interviewed, uh, uh, Crossy. Yeah. So like if you talk to Crossy. Who else worked with you? Exactly.

Oh, okay. Thank you for giving me the name. That took two seconds of investigating. You don't have to talk to the government. It is proof that they're, he's in on the frame job. Yeah. It's nonsense. But it turns out that he is working with aliens.

Oh, okay. Well, naturally. K.M. is working for the Luciferian Rebellion, also known as the Reptilian Gray-Drako Alliance. That's unfortunate. Yeah. That Luciferian seems like a good guy. Those, those are tough. Oh, well.

So now we're done with the case and now we get to jump to, uh, the reporting, uh, that writes that we get because, you know, Mark Richards knows shit and it's not like this is all got to be about the case. She's making a trip down to this goddamn prison and writing down with a doll pencil. She's not going to just do that as like damage control and running interference for her number one whistleblower. Right. She's still got it.

He needs to blow that whistle. He's got to have goods. Exactly. You got to pay the piper and that piper needs bullshit. Exactly. So now we get to, and they didn't even see, here's the problem with K.M. They didn't even bother talking to his spaceship. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And the spaceship isn't held under Minerva's, Minerva's a free agent at this point. Minerva's in the wind too. We don't know where she is. We don't know where Minerva is. God damn it. According to Joanne Richards, it's not clear where Minerva is. Well, they got a divorce because of the mob.

Possibly. So we get to, I would say that this first clip where we're talking Mark Richards info, like his, his, uh, his deep leaks, right, uh, is not good. Like it's not that exciting, but it is kind of blowhardy and vague. Okay. And then it turns at the end. So it's worth it for that, but I'm not happy that this is the first one because I wanted to come in with a raptor's eat your chocolate.

Yeah, absolutely. But this is just kind of vague and stupid. But like I said, I enjoy the end of this clip. Mark agrees with the following concepts. One, that there are many different timelines. Two, that Earth is a hologram and that this whole, uh, you know, galaxy multiverse is in essence probably a series of holograms. You see what I'm saying?

This is kind of bland, boring stuff for, for, so, but hold up, hold your horses. Okay. Human, uh, humans have simultaneous incarnations and reincarnate. Time and space are simultaneous. Cool. Mark thinks that our brain can assist other versions of ourselves on other timelines. Why not? And yes, there are armies of androids in underground bases, both under, under the U S and in China

underground. And he has seen the Chinese androids, isn't that great? That turn. Isn't that amazing? It's like, look, there's a time and space of the same continuum. There are different timelines. Your brain can help another version of yourself in another reality. And yes, of course, we really need to settle this.

I know everybody's been wondering, yes, there are androids underneath the ground in China. There are naturally the underground area is lousy with so many androids and I've seen them. Yeah. You're right. There's like, yes. Oh, God, I'm sick of being asked about this once and for all androids underground. Assam.

Assam. Um, so we, you know, there's a lot of people who are worried, uh, in Kerry's community and the, the sort of, uh, uh, more paranoid paranormal folk, uh, but the idea of an alien takeover of the earth, um, and I have bad news, uh, it's already happened. Oh shit. The takeover of planet earth has actually already happened. We are battling the six AIs ongoing. We are also battling the Draco reptilians and certain species of grays directly.

The grays report to the reps, the reps report to the Draco. They are using AI as well. And the troggs are also an insectoid species that are also, uh, working against us. Oh boy. When did the, when did the troggs get in here? This is tough stuff. And we are, man, we are busy. Yeah.

We're battling all six AIs. I mean, we're battling the Luciferian alliance. Right. Now we got drugs coming in here. I don't even know where the spiders are anymore. We're going to talk about the spiders. Okay. Good.

I mean, it's like, you know, WrestleMania is coming up this weekend and it just, it's like we're in a cage match and it is a handicap. It is. Wow. We have got six AI fucking with us and we have a clearly regimented hierarchical structure of aliens who are all against us. That's not good. That is bad.

We, we really need Dr. Who at this point we're, we're in danger or at least Dr. Group. Yeah. Um, so to bring things, you know, today, I don't know anymore about the AI. He doesn't say anything. I really feel like that's important. Six AI. Why six? I'll tell you this.

It does feel important. It does feel really important. Six AI alone are fucking with the entire species and they're messing with us. It seems important, but it's not apparently because we don't get any clarification on it. It's just a tossed off a side. Yeah. So taking it from that, the space, uh, nonsense.

Now we get into the terrestrial sphere and, uh, geopolitics. Uh-huh. So there's a lot of people who worry about, uh, you know, our, uh, relations with the rest of the world, be it China, uh, Russia, Iran, these sorts of places. Turns out Mark knows what's going to happen with all three of those situations. Oh, okay. Well, it's regarding the Iran war. Yes.

It is happening. They took troops, troops out of Syria, but left the Russians in charge on the ground there. Naturally, there are. We're working with the Russians in this war, which is actually what I have been saying. And the war with Iran does lead to the war with China. Of course. The Russians will side with the U S and, uh, there's more about this in the Hennep

prof prophecies. Oh, great. A prophecy. Great. Uh, the, uh, the idea that, uh, Mark is just mirroring what she says is perfectly illustrated there. Yeah. That idea.

Like I've been saying that for a long time. Uh-huh. You can see exactly how that conversation must have gone down. She says these sorts of things and then he picks up on context clues and is like, yes, absolutely. That's correct. That's the intelligence that I've been getting from my higher ups. Of course.

Yeah. I can only corroborate exactly what you said because you are right on. You're so informed. Carrie. It's amazing. All of your sources are just as good as my sources. Yeah. So earlier we, we got some strong indications that marks a bit of a racist, uh, whether

it's, uh, the pen dragon, uh, excluding black people. That's one thing that's not great. No, no, I'm not a huge fan. His, uh, sort of racial profiling of the clerk at what, uh, Montgomery ward. Not great either. Um, and that's why this clip sounds a little bit suspicious to me. Okay. Sickle cell anemia.

Oh boy. Reptilians are not compatible with this gene and it would rule out any person with that that code for genetic breed, food, or even sexual purposes. Uh-uh. Stop it. They cannot feed off the black race. Mark. And I guess specifically off the, uh, parts of the black race that have sickle cell anemia.

Mark, you're a bad fucking dude. You know, no need for that. You know that other, uh, people get sickle cell anemia, right, or sickle cell, uh, trait disorders. Like it's not, uh, uniquely, uh, African American, uh, thing. And also by the way, uh, it's not the only people who get it are people who miscegenate, which they might as well be black anyways, that's not true at all. No, that's true.

Mark. Mark. You only know what you do. All right. Mark. Never. Mark. That's what I'm saying.

Mark. We didn't land on anemia. Mark. Uh, yeah, that to me is like a real gross, uh, kind of like, well, they're not, uh, you know, they're, they're in other, they're, there's something genetically that's so different about them that the raptors or the reptilians can't even breed with them or feed on them. God. Why?

Why? Why? You could just not. Well, because it's just not because he's racist and he has a, he has a deep seated feeling that people who have different races are different. Yeah. And so while, while he creates his space mythology and all this stuff, it's a very convenient way to find some sort of an excuse inside your space mythology that justifies the racist

feelings that you already have. Right. That's all that's going on here. And Carrie just can't see through it because she's fucking also racist and dumb and very dumb. Yeah. So you wanted to know about the spiders. I want to know about the spiders.

Did they invent the AI? No. Is the AI fucking with them? Dude, from this next clip, I think that the spiders might just be big spiders. So they don't even really have any leadership. I don't know. Okay. All I know for sure is that Sardinia is crawling with spiders.

And there have been some reports of spiders in the Northern United Kingdom. Of course. But here, here's what Carrie has to say. They were eating all the badgers. Here's what Carrie has to say about the situation with spiders currently on the planet Earth. I asked him about Sardinia because recently I was asked if I would lead a tour to Sardinia because there are many ancient sites there and lots of evidence of reptilian involvement. However, I told Mark that I have declined to go to Sardinia because when I looked at

it on a psychic, intuitive level, I saw that there were tons of spider beings and reptilians there and Mark said I was absolutely right. He said he wouldn't even go there. He really agrees with you. And it is true, not only in the past, but also now. And my apologies to the people that live in Sardinia. I think it's probably a very beautiful island. I've seen pictures of it and I do apologize for this information, but what can you do?

Don't shoot the message here, Sardinia. I love that. Yeah. That is my favorite thing. What can you do? That is my favorite thing. Sardinians? Sorry.

What are you going to do? I don't like being the one who has to tell you this. It's bad news. Like the people in Sardinia have no idea. All of a sudden they wake up and they're like, oh, shit. Kerry just told me we were covered in spiders. Time to go. Yeah, I got to move.

Time to go. So like I said, I think that they're just spiders and that's based on the rest of this clip, but I knew we needed a break after that. That's too good. Just for a comparison, from what I understand, Miles Johnston has a source that has told him that there are spider beings hiding out in the area in North England called the Lake District and in the tunnels there. So that is also very disconcerting information.

It sure is. So they're living in the tunnels like some sort of troll or ninja turtle. He did say spider beings though. Right. So he couldn't just actually be talking about spiders. Could be. And they do live in England. That's a documented fact.

Right. But I think that it's implied that that's not worth talking about, that there are spiders places. These are aliens. Right. But here's why. So she apologized to the Sardinians, but it's like, look, England, that's on you. You asked for him.

No, to be fair. It does seem to be, it does seem to follow from the way she's talking about it, that there's less in the UK, that there's a ton in Sardinia. So many in Sardinia. I don't fucking know, man. I got nothing on that other than, I'm sorry, Sardinians, dude. It's rough. It's a top situation.

I'm sorry that we had to be the second hand bearers of this. Absolutely. Sardinian listener of knowledge fight. And you didn't know about Carrie pronouncing that spiders are covering your land. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? So, um, thoughts and prayers. So Trump is a guy and Mark has some thoughts about him.

Oh, that's surprising. Um, Trump has been, or Mark has been kind of pro-Trump in the past. Yeah. Spoiler alert. He still is. Surprise. But this is a, this, this, this is phrased weird. The Trump administration, they are the only ones fighting for us in the U.S. at this time.

But there is something going on right now with that administration. She does not say what that is. That's it. That's it. That's all we get. That's it. Oh, in this case, then once again, I am going to apologize to the people of Sardinia because something bad's happening.

Well, but also once again, I will say, I agree, there is something up with this administration. Yup. Yup. Well, if I, what you're talking about, I'm going to go ahead and say, yep, something's up. Something's up. So this now takes a turn in a direction I could never have predicted. That's why we do Project Camelot episodes.

Right. If it didn't take a turn into the unpredictable, what's the point? Right. But this isn't good, un-predicted. Yeah. Boy. I asked him if Kevin Spacey was set up, and Mark totally agrees that Kevin Spacey is being set up because of what he knows.

Now here's, that's just the perfect demonstration of him, yes, and in her. But also, I wonder if it's just because Spacey is in his name. Why would, why would Kerry ask him if Kevin Spacey was set up? Is that even a thing? Because he was in K-Packs? Is there a, well, that actually does sound right. I'm trying to think of any reason. Is that a thing online?

Are people like saying? Not something that I've seen. I have not seen any conspiracy theories regarding that. I'm pretty sure universally everybody's like, yeah, he probably did that shit. Well, there's like a, you know, there's the denialists and stuff like that that'll go around, but that's just more of a- Well, people are still denying for R. Kelly, but nobody's saying that space being set him up.

Right, right, right. That's the version that I don't think I've ever heard. I've heard just a, like a, like who gives a shit, or this is all made up. Right, right, right. But I've not heard anyone suggest that this is some sort of a he knew too much situation. It sounds like he did though. That seems crazy. That's wild.

It also seems crazy that Carrie's asking. I don't understand that at all. I do think it's just because he has space on his name. I know that it sounds like I'm joking, but I think that's what's going on. I wouldn't be surprised, but maybe sometimes they also just shit the shit, man. Yeah. Maybe they're just talking. It could be.

Like maybe this is an incidental thing. We've already talked about raptors and shit, and now we're just getting to the news of the day, which she just found out that Kevin Spacey is in trouble. But since it took her for so long to figure out that the spider man was bitten by a radioactive spider, I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin Spacey was breaking news for her. Yeah, that's possible. I don't know. I don't know.

But you know what? There's other news. Oh yeah. I'll be honest with you. Towards the end of this, I really zoned out. I was so bored by the things that were being said that when this next clip played, I got like, it was almost like I got jostled out of the sleep or like someone threw a bucket of cold water on my face was like, what the fuck they had to read it to like scroll back

and be like, did I hear that correctly because this is the craziest shit I've ever heard. There was a raptor wedding in late February around the 28th. And Mark says this was a major wedding uniting two major raptor family lines, and Mark calls it a great love story. There was a raptor wedding. Did he just watch the deer hunter? What is going on? There was a raptor wedding and Mark is happy for the couple.

Well it is. You know, it's a beautiful love story. Can I ask you this? Why do raptors get married? That's a human concept. What are you talking about? Why do they get married? Monogamy is not necessarily a human construct or anything like that.

That does exist in the wild and all that sort of stuff. But the formal ceremony of marriage is something humans created. It was brought to us by the raptors. Exactly. Boom. Turn it around. Got it. How else are you going to allocate land to your family?

They live in space. Well, how are you going to allocate certain sectors of space? You got it. They're going to farm. Jordan, I know, I know you're like, this is good stuff. I'm trying. I'm trying. This is stupid.

Raptors are in love. What about spiders? Then do they get married? Spiders can't get married. Reptilians get married. Reptilians are evil. Grays get married. Grays are evil.

Do Draco get married? Draco do get married. What about dog beings? Dog beings? No, they have little things. Mantis beings. They actually mate backwards. Mantis beings?

No, they kill each other. Okay. See, the only race that makes sense to have marriage is raptors and Draco. I just thought like outside of the context of this being an episode where we're talking about Carrie Cassidy running interference for a fucking murderer. Right. Raptor love? That's a delightful clip.

There was a raptor wedding recently. Why was he just, now he's just sharing news? Now he's just sharing like gossip around that like, oh, and here's an update on Teresa, the raptor. Like the social light news page. Raptors were spotted getting married on Tuesday. So we learned a little bit of human celebrity news with Kevin Spacey. Right.

Now we know that raptors got married solidifying an alliance between two major raptor families, which here to four we did not know that they were separated into families. No. And now we jump back to human celebrities because there was a death. Kevin Sorbo. No. Oh, okay. There was a death in the celebrity world not too long back and Carrie wants to know

about it. Regarding Jan Michael Vincent, the actor, he was a close friend of Mark's and died of alcoholism because he had seen too much, knew too much and couldn't handle it. Mark had the utmost respect for him and misses him. So Jan Michael Vincent. Mark was friends with Jan Michael Vincent? Apparently. That is, that is definitely one of those, this guy is just going to lie about fucking

whatever. Yeah. He's going to fit to be gained from calling yourself a Jan Michael Vincent friend. Yeah. No, I mean, there's something to be gained. I suppose you, you look with the Jan Michael Vincent fans. Yeah. The Jan heads.

Airwolf fans. Airwolf. Yeah. Maybe he just watched airwolf as a kid or in prison or in prison. They got TVs in there and shit. They do. Um, but I mean, at least that's current. Like he died on the 10th of February.

So that's pretty close to when, uh, I carry was going and doing the interview that would make sense that Mark would want to lie about being friends with him. That's cool. Is that cool? Yeah. It's real cool. It's real cool. Also real, not true.

Um, so here we have the last clip where Carrie, this is how she ends the episode. And I think that she's giving her audience, uh, advice that will work against her best interests. Oh, that's not good. I want to thank you for watching and for listening and for supporting the work of Project Camelot. Take care and please use discernment and do your own investigation. Thank you and good night.

Good night, Carrie. The, uh, the idea of, uh, you know, saying you should do your own research is only going to lead people to realize that she's full of shit and doesn't know anything. Right. So, uh, I would advise her, uh, against telling people to research things. That's a bad idea. Although that's a bad look. You don't want to be a truth teller and a truth seeker kind of person to be like, don't

look into this. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. We've all been there. I got this covered. Yeah. Come on. Trust me.

Trust me. Trust me. So I think it's super weird that Carrie decided to even get into any of the specifics of Mark's case because she has such a poor grasp on, uh, the, the details of the case, you know, what's going on, the way that she articulates her interactions with him are so parallel to that police interview. It just, like, it opens up a can of worms where it really reveals like how manipulated she is by him and how willing of a participant she is in that manipulation along with him.

So I just think it's a real stupid game to play. It's a dumb gambit. It's a little, it's a little like disconcerting cause it's almost like she's in a one woman cult. Two women cause his wife. Oh, that's right. His wife is there too. But yeah, it is, it is a little bit like, yeah, you, you are, you are full on willing

to do anything to justify what it is that he's telling you parks to her friend Simon parks, who talks to Mantis beings. He's also in that cult. So it's like, as best I can tell, it's like a three person, uh, uh, dance because yeah, I mean, like even in the trailer for that, uh, docu series that that guy is making KM is making, um, there, he has some interviews with people who are into the UFO, uh, communities and stuff like that. And they're like, it does a really great disservice to people who are trying to actually look

into these things for people to just pass off, just trust a murderer. Well, I mean, you know, I don't think they put it that way, but they like charlatan read stuff like that. And I think there's a fair point there. I think there's, I think that's, um, uh, salient point. So even, even the mainstream quote unquote serious, uh, UFO folks don't like Mark. Of course not. So yeah, she is, uh, it's sort of in a world of her own.

Yeah. And I think, I think that, uh, drawing attention to it makes her look so much worse. So when she does draw attention to it, it just seems like this is stupid. You shouldn't do that, but you can only hide for so long. I mean, like five years ago, most people weren't talking about him. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. And now not that a lot of people are, but more people are aware of his story and the

fact that he's a murder and it's hilarious. And the fact that he's transitioned into this guy who's like, I know the raptors, they get married, they take your chocolate, they're fighting against other, uh, beings and, uh, Beatles down in Vietnam and all wars are really just about stargates and all this stuff. It's pretty funny on some level. When you, when you uncouple it from the fact that he is the kind of guy who would manipulate a 17 year old into murdering a guy who was in his wedding, um, uh, and tell him finish the job with a screwdriver.

Right. Like when you take, take, you, you, you forget about that part hilarious. You keep that part in still kind of funny, but also very upsetting and tragic. Yeah. There is, there is a certain amount of, uh, parallel here with AJ too, in that it's like, don't call him AJ. Ah, come on. I was, I was trying it out.

I was having some fun. I thought you were talking about Benza. Um, in that because of the popularity, like she's running this scam and the goal really for these types of scams is to keep them contained. Right. And once it starts getting out and you start getting attention, you're fucked up. Yeah. And you, you can't do it.

And so you wind up making bad decisions, like trying to actually defend him. Right. You know, that's foolish. Yeah. But the difference is, I think that Alex got paid and I don't know if Carrie did. I doubt she did. No, at least not on the level of it. Right.

Right. And I don't, I don't think that she's necessarily responsible for the overexposure of, uh, of Mark. No, I absolutely agree. But she's part of it. She is. She is. I think it's just a natural thing that's going to come out cause it's an awesome story.

Yeah. That's true. You know, like the idea of as, as long as a couple people start talking about like the idea that there's this guy who, uh, got these kids who worked for him to murder a guy, then he went to prison and started a career in fan fiction or space fan fiction that he's presenting as real. Right. And oh, also before he went to prison, he was going to take over Marine County with

lasers that were going to destroy bridges and these kids were going to be knights of his round table. Like all that stuff. It's too good of a story for people to not like enjoy or look into or pay attention to. So you reach a critical mass once enough people are looking at the story that like it, it's almost destined to blow up if you're trying to pretend it's real. Oh, of course. Well, yeah.

How many, how many documentaries have you watched on Netflix with way less interesting stories than this? And you were still like, this is a pretty good documentary. Yeah. I watched three episodes of the staircase or whatever before I turned it off and you're like, I'm sure maybe it gets good. I don't know. I'm sorry.

Not important. Right. This is not the time to litigate the staircase. Make an amazing series and this guy is doing that. Yeah. This K.M. guy is doing a probably what will be an amazing series about this, this story and part of the story now is that Kerry is a victim of Mark's manipulation willingly and also defensively and surprised.

We didn't even have the thought to make a documentary. I didn't have the thought, but that's not like nearly within the scope of what I could do. Yeah. We need a call. We need a team. We could call a contracting service. Call Larry Nichols.

Ah, we wouldn't be able to know the name of the contracting service, though. You know, it's not it's not really me. You know how much that would cost though, too. We don't have nearly the money we could find. We put together a pitch. We get the money. We could pretend that we need to pay back a repatriation. Yeah, everybody listening to Knowledge Fight right now, really go to the Patreon.

We need $2,500 by tomorrow because otherwise the government is going to send us back out of Eastern Europe. So that brings us to the end of this. I think we've learned a bit. Mostly the Kerry is very dumb, very, but that's I guess we didn't learn that. We've now, but we did learn about repatriation loans. I suppose this is dumb in in more of a, I don't know, I guess this is dumb and more of a concentrated evil way than it has been previous.

Like we started out very hard with her justifying a murder. But I think that she hasn't read that interview with the detectives. I think she hasn't looked at the court records or anything like that, but is pretending that she did. And I think that that is evil in negligence, but I don't think I think that she's merely pretending that she has this information in her mind. If she does have that information and she still believes this shit, then that's fucking awful.

But I still think that she's bluffing about what she's actually you think so. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know, because I wouldn't be surprised if she did read all that information and just so merrily dismiss it as I doubt she read the 131 page. If you read that, you cannot imagine for a second that he's not a huge liar. I don't think she read that, but I wouldn't be surprised if she dismissed all of this, all of the court records and shit as being, oh, it's just a railroad job and I don't even need to worry about it.

Yeah, perhaps. I mean, but if so, then that's still negligent as fuck. I mean, because you're defending a murderer without having the evidence. And evil. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we have a website. We do.

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Yes. We're also on Facebook. We are. And we're on. We got a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Yep. We're on itunes. We are.

Great reviews. Subscribe. All that stuff. So I would say, I mean, I guess I know that this Andrew, that guy didn't kill anybody. Yeah. I mean, he was involved in the plot. So I'm not going to go with KM KM didn't kill anybody. We don't know that.

He does run a shop in Amsterdam. That's true. That's true. Peter Falk. Didn't kill anybody. Wait. Not even in the Falklands. Are you looking up whether or not Peter Falk killed somebody?

I am. Oh, no. That would be the weirdest news. The good people of Sardinia who again, apologies. Most of them, I mean, I'm sure some Sardinians have killed people, but the most of the population of Sardinia never killed anybody about to be eaten by spiders too. So that's a bummer. But one guy who technically not probably absolutely killed somebody is Mark Richards.

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