Knowledge Fight - #287: April 15-18, 2019

Episode Date: April 22, 2019

Today, Jordan returns from his vacation, so Dan fills him in on all the goings-on from the past "Huge News Week" on The Alex Jones Show....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Jordan. Dan. Jordan. When was the last time you bought a shirt, Dan? I, you know what? Fuck you, man. See, here's the problem with you. Your questions are so loaded now. Like there used to be random things and now you're just trying to lead me into a plug about how we have shirts. That's all, that's all you're doing.
Starting point is 00:00:34 That's not interesting. That's, that's an ad pivot in your question. Okay. That's something that we criticize Alex about and here you are manifesting it one minute into our show, sir. All right. We have shirts. Okay. We have shirts and long simmering resentment.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Not long simmering resentment. Short simmering resentment. I'm not even resenting. I'm just saying that you're slacking in your duties. Your one job is to fucking ask a question and begin with the show. You have just turned that into a marketing opportunity to find disgusting and disgraceful. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:01:08 You're on time out. I apologize. I apologize that we are nice thing. You know, it's an opportunity for interesting random obscure conversations pop up. Like someone on Twitter mentioned that we played a song on an episode and it made me realize, oh, that's right. I had a big Italo disco phase back. You could ask me something about like I was supposed to into it.
Starting point is 00:01:30 That Italo disco was was on the table. Certainly could have been an interesting conversation. That's possible. Instead, fucking plug in shirts. Gross. Yes. Yes. Crasse capitalism.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Yeah. It's unfortunate. All right. So anyway, there will be a link up on knowledge fight.com to where you can get a shirt and we currently have one design available. That is a shirt that says knowledge fight on it with a note stuck to it that says call Larry Nichols and we will have another design soon. I don't think that this is the best shirt possible.
Starting point is 00:02:03 No, but it's something that we had to do since we talked about it. Call Larry Nichols shirt from the very job ever. Yeah. So that's there. There'll be more coming in the future. We're working on it. Yeah. So Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to do.
Starting point is 00:02:18 We'll be going over most of last week on Alex's show. Oh boy. Particularly the days of April 15th, 16th and 18th. And that is because you were on vacation last week in Mexico. Unfortunately. And a lot of stuff happened that Bayer is mentioning. Yeah. They rebuilt the cathedral of Notre Dame, right?
Starting point is 00:02:38 They already built it. Might have that back. They already fixed it. Might have that backwards. It, well, it burnt down in 1359, right? Oh, that's right. That's good. Well, they had rebuilt it, but then it, something bad happened last week.
Starting point is 00:02:48 It double burnt. Okay. Well, I haven't checked Alex's show. I know you were in Mexico. So today we'll be going over those episodes and getting into the what with there. But before we do that, we got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. And we really appreciate it.
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Starting point is 00:04:01 We would appreciate it. Indeed you can, and it would be nice. So, Jordan, today we are beginning our adventure on April 15th, which was Monday of last week. Yes. And that is the day that Notre Dame caught on fire. Right. And we will get to that a bit in the future of this episode, but most of
Starting point is 00:04:18 Alex's show on the 15th is him complaining about Bernie. He's sure nothing else is going on in the news. He's giving off a sense to me that he's very afraid of Bernie. There's a, there's a feeling that he's very worried about him being the candidate. Yeah, a lot of people are starting to get afraid of that. Well, so he's focusing on him quite a bit. He sent Millie Weaver and Caitlin Bennett, the Kent State gun girl, who now works for Infowars, out to a rally and Caitlin Bennett got kicked out and she's
Starting point is 00:04:45 making a real big deal out of it. Oh, of course. And so Alex has the two of them on to talk about going to the Bernie rally and it's trash. It's there's nothing worth covering there, but it is important to note that most of the show, I'm not kidding around, I would say a good 60% of the show Alex does in a Bernie impression. That is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:06 And this clip, I believe, is indicative of how he's kind of lost himself in the character. They were lost when they don't have to pay the tax and then the middle class almost they are the tactic. Yeah. Yes. I don't, I don't know, man. I think that his impression is, is just getting, getting wild.
Starting point is 00:05:25 It's very staccato. We're in Lenny from of Mice and Men territory, right? It's just, he can't do it for long stretches of time, but he's really trying. Yeah. And so he's just going on and on in this Bernie character and realizing like, I don't have the chops. Yeah. I can't stay inside this voice.
Starting point is 00:05:40 I'm no James Adomian. No, it's, I'll tell you that right now. His long form impression work is real disappointing. And it's most of this episode to the point where I'm, I've been, I was listening to it and I'm like, I know that Notre Dame is on fire and what's going on here? Why are you just doing a Bernie impression of this whole fucking show? Does he have a, does he have a picture in picture of Notre Dame burning as he's doing the show?
Starting point is 00:06:03 As far as we know, he hasn't found out yet or the news hasn't broken or whatever. Gotcha. But in his next clip, Alex talks about how he's always right about everything, which he said many times, but I keep in so you can keep in mind as we go through this episode. So I have this tendency to always go over all my evidence. Instead of just saying what's happening like mainstream media does. And so I'll go over some of the evidence of it, but let me just do this for you
Starting point is 00:06:29 right up front. Okay. I don't say this with pleasure. It scares the daylights out of me that we're basically the only broadcast that has studied the entire architecture of this takeover. Drugs done it some zero hedges done a great job, but when it comes to really calling it, we're over the target. And I don't say that go, oh, look, we're over the target.
Starting point is 00:06:58 That's why they want us off air. What we're saying is the kill shot. So the, uh, the, you know, the part of the conversation that he's talking about here, the context of it is that, uh, he needs Trump to really act on internet free speech, uh, because if he doesn't, Alex is going to diminish all of his returns. I mean, he doesn't, he's not as overt about that. The idea that like, I can't suck more people into my operation.
Starting point is 00:07:28 If I don't have access to those people and I will go out of business, I need Trump to act now. And so he's trying to present it as like, this is a, uh, Soviet takeover or whatever. And we're the only ones who have been right about it all along. Which is why they've been kicked off as opposed to constant harassing and threats and so on and so forth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Gotcha. Um, but Soviets. Yes. But well, you see, the thing is that social media, it's an apharias thing. It's not just that they want to crush speech like Alex's. Right. Uh, they also have, uh, some real gross plans for you and your family. Oh, well, like what?
Starting point is 00:08:02 And then once you're forced online to live, we can now take it away from you. If you don't behave the way we want. And at first it's just saying you're a liberal and there, there aren't two genders and families are bad. Next, it's being sterilized. Oh, it's signing up to have your mind uploaded to the web so that your carbon body doesn't hurt the earth, but really you won't be uploaded. It'll be AI that knows you, that's been watching you for 20 years, that knows
Starting point is 00:08:27 how to mimic you, your voice print, everything you say. So your friends and family think, yeah, Carl or David or Carol or John or Sanchez, you know, they had pain and they were overweight and they were whatever. And you know, there wasn't jobs for them anymore, but it didn't matter. Now they're in a virtual silicon system that isn't bad for the environment. And you know, he went in, they uploaded his brain, but you know, you can't have two of those if the agreement is, he has to die. That is the agreement 20 years ago.
Starting point is 00:08:53 They don't know your brain. It's not going to really be uploaded. It's a fraud. And let's say you've got to die. You've got to give up your physical body in this rebirth. And of course, the top scientists are now all over the news saying, you must physically die to have your brain uploaded. Really?
Starting point is 00:09:10 So it's a fact. It's not you. It's a devilish counterfeit. So Facebook and all their stuff is just sort of a first stage in terms of getting you to kill yourself, to be uploaded as a false clone on the web. Philosophical question. If your entire brain is uploaded and an AI is programmed to mimic perfectly exactly that, right?
Starting point is 00:09:34 Is there a difference? I, you know what? This is something that's been discussed by greater minds than ours. And some people believe there isn't. Some people believe that there is. I don't know. I don't have a position on it because what Alex is talking about is shit. It's nonsense.
Starting point is 00:09:50 He's misrepresenting comments made by like futurists to talk about like, well, there is a possibility of the idea of uploading a consciousness. Like if you imagine that as a possibility, but you probably have to die in order to do it. Right. It's not like saying, okay, I want to kill you so I can upload you as if it's a real like prospect that people are like, Oh, we're going to do this now. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:10 So we got a, we got a weekend free. I do, you know, I mean, there is something that, whether or not it is part of like an intentional advertising model or just sort of a side effect that we didn't know was coming of social media. I do think that there is something dangerous about the idea of like, you know, living on these social media platforms in a way that, you know, your life is so different without them. Full, you know, there is something that we, we all need to take a look at with
Starting point is 00:10:35 that, but I don't, I don't think it's the same thing that Alex is talking about. Absolutely. I think that conversation is a little bit different. So Alex is mad about this online censorship, uh, partially because it will lead to, uh, you being forced to kill yourself to become a clone. Of course. Um, and then the other part is that he really wants to get back on social media so he can become a clone and I was going to say, there's a little bit
Starting point is 00:10:56 of a contradiction here. Doesn't he arguing to get back onto these platforms that he is also arguing or going to kill all of you. He's not making any sense. Most of this stuff is really unimportant. I just kept it in kind of to give you a, a sense of how the beginning of this show is going, um, as opposed to where it ends up going. Um, so here is Alex talking about how Trump is the devil.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Uh, if he doesn't stop, uh, this, uh, Alex not being on social media, question mark, okay. So if the president doesn't stop the censorship, of course, he'll lose the election or maybe the president is the devil. Maybe the president is like Lucifer, incredibly deceptive. So deceptive, he can even trick me. So hard to trick this Alex character is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:45 But I mean, uh, to be fair, uh, in the campaign, like early on, before Alex was fully on board with Trump, as we saw in the 2015 stuff, um, there was this, uh, like Alex did say, either Trump is the most evil person in the world or he's the greatest. That's true. So he did introduce it as a dichotomy. Yeah. Go back to like, I told you, he might be the devil at the beginning.
Starting point is 00:12:06 I just decided to work with him and I, I went 50 50. Look, sometimes it's true. Sometimes it's false. Sometimes you got to guess. Yeah. You never know which way it's going to go. Messed up. So, uh, it is easy to fool Alex again, as we'll see.
Starting point is 00:12:20 If this goes along, even me, even me, the most resolute, uh, logically minded person in the world, Alex fucking Jones, I like that. He doesn't even present it as though like he doesn't even have that big sarcastic voice to it. It's literally him like wrestling with the thought it's not like him going like, or he could fool, he could have fooled me. It's him just being like, yeah, he, or he could be the worst. And he tricked me.
Starting point is 00:12:46 There's a damn good chance. Yeah. I have been hoodwinked. We know. Um, so at this point, news of Notre Dame, uh, uh, Notre Dame Notre Dame is the college, uh, Notre Dame, uh, the news is broken. And Alex reports it, uh, here. Church.
Starting point is 00:13:14 It's not the music is on fire. This clip isn't done, but you make a great point. This isn't great music, but then also I noticed that they must have someone new behind the board or something like that. Yeah. Because the music is playing way too loud during Alex's intros and it does not fade out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Uh, but it, it should start fading out way earlier than it does. Oh yeah. There's clearly been some turnover in employees. Uh, this is amateur hour shit. This 900 years old Notre Dame. There it is. And it's the big news. Then on fire for hours, there's a symbol of Christian.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Turn the music off cover of France. I think it's emblematic of what we're facing and what we're dealing with. Uh-oh. So, but that, that's what you expect. You know, that's almost even the best case scenario for, uh, Alex's immediate response, that this is a symbolic sort of thing. This is a, this symbolizes the West's fall or something like that, because at least he's not putting any blame on anything.
Starting point is 00:14:15 I'm surprised he hasn't already said like there are eight Muslim terrorists outside of his place starting a fire on Notre Dame while they're staring at him. A hundred percent. Yeah. The fact that he's coming in and not screaming about this is even shocking. Yeah. Uh, to some extent, it's pyro kinesis. And I think part of it is because he, uh, is really into doing that Bernie impression
Starting point is 00:14:37 and he doesn't want to distract it. He wants to keep doing it. I'm like, you know, I don't know. Sometimes you just expect something is going to go a certain way. Like you go to a show, you have it, you have a set to do and someone in the audience is like heckling or something. You're just like, fuck it. I came to do what I'm going to do.
Starting point is 00:14:55 I'm not even going to engage with you. Yeah. Yeah. Notre Dame being on fire is kind of a heckle to him. I think, I think that that's how he's experiencing it because the set that he wants to do is fucking full of Bernie impressions. How dare the news get in my way. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Yeah. We should show them in Cuba, the Christians and in Russia. I honey, you could actually get in a jail cell and kick a Christian's eyes out and stomp their face in. I did it. I liked it. I'll do it again. I am superior.
Starting point is 00:15:28 I am a communist. Getting serious. Notre Dame is an incredibly famous place. I wasn't going to go to Paris. It is an Islamic, you know, what? Hold on. An Islamic toilet. Literally.
Starting point is 00:15:41 The hunchback, the whole nine yards built in 1100 and something. I love that the idea there is he's like, Notre Dame, it's real sad. I, you know, I wanted to go to Paris to see it, the hunchback, all that. All that as if he was a whole nine yards, as if he wanted to meet the hunchback. Well, he was there. Well, where's he going to live now? There is a sense that he's like, well, I missed my opportunity to meet that hunchback and that's a real damn shame.
Starting point is 00:16:04 I already had the bell, you know, the whole nine yards. Yeah. That's a very strange, strange way. But you can see here already, this is pretty close after. This is like the next break. Yeah. He's already started to mention Islam. It's Muslim.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Well, it's not. It's a, it's an Islamic toilet. Well, France is. Yes. Yeah. France is. Yes. He's, he's connecting those two ideas.
Starting point is 00:16:26 He's anchoring Islam and Notre Dame being on fire in his audience's mind without saying anything overt or even really speculating. Right. Uh, about that. Uh, in his next clip, he says something, uh, kind of fucked up, uh, but it's still sort of like more restrained than you'd expect Alex to be. That sucker is in flames. That is too bad.
Starting point is 00:16:49 But it'll just turn into a mosque anyway. So maybe it's better. It just totally burns. Yeah. I mean, I'm not glad this happened, but I'd say it's better than the Islamist capturing it. Huh. Like we're in the crusades.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Yeah. Saladin is going to be waltzing to Notre Dame. Literally what Alex is thinking. Yeah. Right. Not kind of. That's literally what he's saying. Better for this to burn than for the Islamists to take it over and turn it into a mosque.
Starting point is 00:17:17 Oh, that's fucked up. That is really fucked up. But it does give you a sense of what he thinks the world is. Yeah. You know, what the state of things are is it is crusades shit. Yeah. But at the same time in the past, when we've seen Alex cover stuff, that like on the day of the Boston bombings, he's screaming, it's a false flag on the, you
Starting point is 00:17:37 know, on the day of Sandy Hook, he's speculating pretty wildly. Here we have on April 15th. He's not doing that much. He's fucking saying this law of sucks, which is what that's part of any episode of his show Notre Dame doesn't have to be on fire for him to say that. Um, it's just, it's very strange. Um, it really had also his reaction being very much like, oh, that's a damn shame. Like I even that is restrained.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Yeah. I mean, even when he's doing smaller tragedies, he's never expressing any kind of, I don't know, regret or sympathy. Like this is such a strange thing for him to just like very detachmently say, well, what are you going to do as a, you know, it was beautiful. It's a testament to human engineering, but you know, sometimes the, the out with the old and with the new. I don't know why, but yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:18:30 It is weird. Uh, maybe he's tired. Yeah, I don't know. He is excited to do the Bernie impression. He's excited to talk to Millie and Caitlyn about how they went to a Bernie rally and trying to score points from that. Right. And then also he is, um, he's got Joe Bannister that, uh, Tex guy.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah. Yeah. Cause table 15, that's Tex. Yeah, of course. So they do, they do a whole thing. And so it could just be a thing where it's like, I don't have time for this today. Yeah. I got a, I got a full show full of Bernie bashing in tech shit.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Um, so it could be partially that. Like he's like, why would I give away the show before I'm ready to do it? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure what it is, but there is something going on that is, is what you're describing that sort of responses very unlike him. Maybe he's, maybe he's getting his Bernie character rubbing off on him. And now he's, he's experiencing some sort of human emotions.
Starting point is 00:19:17 I doubt it. You know? Um, so you also, uh, when Millie and Caitlin are there, they talk about how Alex went on Logan Paul's show. Uh, and, uh, it's because Caitlin was also on Logan Paul's show. Not too far back. Oh boy. Um, and, uh, it's not really important, anything they say, but Alex says this.
Starting point is 00:19:33 And I think it's ridiculous. I just, I just, I just, I just, I didn't realize what if I don't get broken and just crew and I didn't realize the guy's been a fan for like 15 years. So I don't get even trouble. What? I mean, I think Logan Paul could, you can almost say it's like one of my children. I didn't realize that. So, so that, that, that's the problem.
Starting point is 00:19:53 One of my bad children though. You know, um, how old do you think Logan Paul is? I have no idea who Logan Paul is. He's 24. He's 24. I like to say he's been listening to his show since he was nine. That's a irresponsible parenting at best. Also since 2004, what kind of like syndication did Alex have in 2004?
Starting point is 00:20:14 I don't think there's Logan Paul from. Northern California, probably Alex's, Alex has been penetrating into the NorCal market for a long time. I don't know if that's true. It's Austin and NorCal. And then it's spread like wildfire from there. Those are his two big hugs. Undoubtedly.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Yeah. I find this incredibly difficult to believe. And also I should say, I looked it up. Uh, Logan Paul just turned 24. So he's eight for nine listening to Alex. If so, I have even more questions about Logan Paul's parents. And how irresponsibly they raised this child, but I don't know. Logan, Logan, please just answer, please just answer the question.
Starting point is 00:20:53 What is four plus nine globalism? So here's the last clip from April 15th. And again, this is a demonstration of Alex being, uh, uncharacteristically cautious, uh, in his coverage of Notre Dame. Yeah. Well, out of the gates, I don't know how they know only five hours in, they say construction fire started. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Oh, that's true. What are they blaming on the yellow vest or something? I mean, you never know. Well, I'm sure there'll be some parents that are going to be mad at you for asking questions. So that's talking to Joe Bannister. And sure, that idea of like, what if they blame the yellow vests or something like that, that's still presenting that as a hypothetical.
Starting point is 00:21:32 That's not saying they are going to, that's still within like really restrained, uh, Alex Jones rhetoric. Yeah. And the, the idea of like, I know he was saying it kind of glibly and dismissively, but like they're saying it was an accident. Maybe it was, maybe it was. Yeah, that's, shouldn't he be screaming about how this is the first step in the globalist plan?
Starting point is 00:21:57 I expected it. Like they're, they're taking away our monuments to, to force us towards the future in order to make us remove any kind of connection to our past. And then we'll jump into the AI and teleport ourselves all over the universe. Like, isn't that what he should be doing right now? Shouldn't he be bringing some heat? Or given all of his, uh, rhetoric in his worldview about the idea of clashes of civilization and stuff like that, it should be like, this is proof of what I've
Starting point is 00:22:20 been saying all along, uh, and it's not on the 15th. Although. Okay. All right. The 16th comes right. Okay. There we go. He got the Bernie impression out of the system and here's where he's at on April 16th.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this Tuesday, April 16th, 2019 global broadcast. I'm your host Alex Jones. Obviously the tragic fire of a very important historic Christian site in Europe, in what's left of Islamic occupied France, burned not to the ground, but into an empty husk, to a great extent. And we are seeing the incredible response by European news, US news, even Fox news of trying to take anyone offline that says it should be investigated for
Starting point is 00:23:14 arson well under French law, under EU law, under US law, under UK law, under common law, any big fire is investigated. No shit. And that's why you don't really have to argue on like publicly for it to be investigated because it's an automatic process. The only people who are saying we should investigate this for arson and that sort of thing are people who have invested interest behind what they're arguing. They're arguing that it was Muslims, not that it should be investigated.
Starting point is 00:23:46 That sort of thing. Yeah. So it's a bad faith investigation is what they're looking for. Well, no, it's a bad faith argument that they're making in favor of investigation because they know good and goddamn well that investigation is happening even as they're saying those words. It'd be fun if they were instead calling for no investigation, right? If they were just like, you know what, let's chalk this one up to bad behavior.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Let's not even worry about it or they're even imagining that the left or whatever that we're saying don't investigate. You know, the biggest thing that the biggest fire that could possibly happen in France, that one fire. I mean, maybe the Ark of Triomphe or maybe the Eiffel Tower might be bigger. Can you imagine the Eiffel Tower being on fire? That would be a crazy visual. Anyway, but yeah, it would melt from the top down.
Starting point is 00:24:32 That'd be fascinating. It's patently absurd for this argument to be coming from people who are, I mean, let's be honest, noted Islamophobes who are saying there should be an investigation into this as if there is any voice publicly saying, stop investigating. Don't do that. Don't do that. It was an accident. Move along. Macron comes up and says, guys, I don't think we need to look into this one at all. Probably an electrical thing.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Look over there. Let's get out of here. We've already got bulldozers in there. It's flat now. I don't know what happened. Somebody buried it. Hey, you know, everybody, here's my new puppet. It just pulls out a fucking puppet.
Starting point is 00:25:10 I'm Notre Dame. How are you guys? Hey, guess what? Notre Dame never was not on fire. Little do you know. And don't look into that. Don't look into it. No one is fucking saying that. It's completely going to throw a smoke bomb down.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Why not? It's completely absurd. But that's the kind of thing that Alex wants the perception to be. Yeah, there are there are people who are saying, I don't look into this, whatever, which is bullshit concept. Yeah. So but he's still not really saying that it was arson or whatever. He's dancing around that line pretty nicely. Yeah, he's doing the best he can to insinuate it.
Starting point is 00:25:48 And in this next clip, he's he's trying to imply pretty heavily that Muslims were behind the fire. France is the main epicenter. Thousands of cars burned a month. People screaming all hot bar and that they're on a jihad. The UN reports that there have been in Europe, 11. One thousand sixty three churches attacked or burned down or to face that have been reported.
Starting point is 00:26:16 And most of those are in France. And I've got the report here where the UN reports that Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world. How can you quantify the most persecuted? Well, actually, let's go ahead and deal with that. I'm interested in finding that out. So that statement isn't true, that Alex is making that right, that idea. That was something that Catholic Archbishop
Starting point is 00:26:39 Bernardito Bernadito, as I was said in a speech before the UN, that was repeated as a talking point, as if it was something that the UN actually said. That isn't to say that there isn't a problem of persecutions of Christians in the world. There absolutely is. Would not argue that. It's just a point that I'm trying to make about a slippery Alex's with the details. The UN didn't say that this Catholic Archbishop said it in the UN and it has been repeated all over blogs and shit. Of course. Interestingly, in June of 2018, the Pew Research Center released a report
Starting point is 00:27:09 where they analyzed reported instances of religious harassment from around the world. And they found that Christians were the most harassed, but by a very small margin. The report didn't look at the gross number of incidents, only the number of countries in which an incident happened. They found that Christians reported incidents in 144 countries in the world, coming in at number one on the list. Islam came in at number two with 142 countries. So it's pretty close between the two.
Starting point is 00:27:35 A write up about the report in the Express mentions another research paper from 2016 that analyzed the analyzed the sources of Christian persecution in the world, which found that a most of it is found in the Asia Pacific region. And that, quote, Nationalist parties and politicians in India, Nepal, the Philippines and Sri Lanka targeted Christians the most. The picture of Christian persecution is a little bit different than people like Alex would like to say. It's not just Saudi Arabia stabbing Christians and Romans making lions eat them.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Right. But I mean, there is some. Oh, no, no, for sure, for sure. The Islamic world, for sure. Absolutely. But it's not it's not a totality of the story. In a twist that Alex doesn't want to report, the EU Parliament that he hates so much actually put this out in a report released on December 14th, 2017. They warn that, quote, Christians are currently the religious group most harassed and intimidated in countries throughout the world. He can't say that it came from the EU, though, because you'd have to explain
Starting point is 00:28:31 then why a godless, globalist demon organization would put something like that in one of their reports. So that's the that's the sort of thing that he's talking about there with that Christians are the most persecuted group. I wasn't all that curious about that because we talked about that at some point in the past and, you know, whatever. But I was really curious about that number that Alex is citing about the one thousand sixty three churches being attacked in Europe in the past year.
Starting point is 00:28:55 The feeling I had was that it definitely could be a real number. You know, obviously, even in the best of times, some houses of worship are defaced and vandalized. It's a gross reality of modern life. And I hate it regardless of what faith is held by the people who worship. Yeah, let's dick move it. But something felt off about it the way Alex is reporting it. Europe is a huge place with a large population, but it just didn't sit right.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I know he is misleading people about the UN report, saying Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, as we just discussed. And I know that he's exaggerating the number of car burnings that happen in France. And he's intentionally not telling his audience that most of them are burned as part of an insurance fraud scheme. So there's good reason to suspect that this third thing might not be accurate, too. Yeah, wasn't sure. So Alex is claiming that this number he's reporting is coming from the UN,
Starting point is 00:29:40 which I can tell you right off the bat is not true. One thing that that presented an immediate challenge here when I was looking into this is that if you try and find out where he's getting this information from, there's a ton of possibilities. There's a write up in the Gate Stone Institute that cites that number. There's a blog entry on the Christian Broadcasting Network's website. There's a report on one news network. There's a post on the Middle East forum about it.
Starting point is 00:30:03 That number is all over the place. You so OK, so this is where it gets misleading. UN, of course, to most of us means United Nations. But where he got that number was from UN, his uncle, Nick. Oh, that could be. So that's why you couldn't find it in any UN official. Not Uncle Nick. It's Uncle Nick. Nope, it's not Santa Claus.
Starting point is 00:30:22 So those reports that I just mentioned, Christian Broadcasting Network, Gate Stone Institute, one news network, Middle East forum, plenty of others. What do they have in common, Jordan? Oh, they're probably owned by fucking the Mercer family. Oh, no, no, no. It wouldn't surprise me. It wouldn't be too surprised. But that's not the case. They're all relying on a single source for reporting their number.
Starting point is 00:30:41 And it's not the UN. It's not. It's not the UN. It's a blog run out of Germany called Politically Incorrect News, or as these websites all abbreviate it to PI News. So it's a. So we're in a three million illegals voted tweet level of sourcing here from the original post on PI News, quote, a total of one thousand sixty three attacks on Christian churches and symbols were registered in France
Starting point is 00:31:11 in twenty eighteen, which is a very different than what Alex is. Did he add symbols in there? It seems like symbols being added in is pretty important. But I mean, that's still property damage, I suppose, or whatever. But the quote goes on to say, which is one hundred eighty five more violations than in twenty seventeen. By comparison, around a hundred synagogues and mosques were damaged. On a purely factual level, this isn't true.
Starting point is 00:31:32 But there's a reality here that's worth discussing because it's a reality that right wing media outlets. I mentioned earlier, they're using a reality to misinterpret the story and stoke outrage and foment hatred among their audiences. In this PI News blog entry, there's no link to information about this one thousand sixty three attacks number. There isn't even an indication of where the number comes from or even specific information of what sort of attacks were included in this statistic.
Starting point is 00:32:00 It just says this number of attacks, quote, were registered, but doesn't even say who was doing the register. As it turns out, the number comes from a report put out by the French Ministry of the Interior, which does say that there were one thousand sixty three anti-Christian acts in France in twenty eighteen. This is used to argue that there by all these media operations is there's a huge wave of anti-Christian attacks and victimization on Christians that is on the rise.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Yeah, the problem with that is that this same release from the French Interior Ministry points out that in twenty seventeen one thousand thirty eight anti-Christian acts were recorded, which means that this last year was only a two percent increase. That's an increase of twenty five incidents, not the one hundred eighty five increase that PI News was alleging. Also, perhaps more importantly, this same report points out that twenty eighteen saw a seventy four percent increase in anti-semitic incidents, which probably seems like more important
Starting point is 00:32:55 as a headline, but strangely is entirely unmentioned. That's odd in PI News. That's really odd. You think that they would want to provide some context to their readers so they would know, you know, exactly what kind of situation is going on, as opposed to just printing some small fact that would support some sort of attack of their own on other people. It seems it seems valuable. That seems crazy.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Nothing in the Interior Ministry's report indicates anything about the people who committed these acts, but it does. That doesn't stop PI News from saying this quote, the obvious truth about the anti-Christian furor and its origin is permanently clouded. It's not the perpetrators who are in danger of being ostracized, but those who dare to associate the desecration of Christian symbols with immigrant imports. They are accused of hate, hate speech and racism.
Starting point is 00:33:41 These people who make the connection between Christian anti-Christian attacks. Immigrants, immigrants, immigrants, immigrants. Now, probably be a good time to point out that PI News isn't a news outlet, like its name might suggest. It's a very overtly anti-Islam propaganda depot, which goes so far as to sell shirts, mugs and buttons that say, quote, Islamophobic and proud of it. The guy who started the blog, Stefan Haar, was quoted as saying that Islam isn't a religion. It's actually a, quote, ideology of violence.
Starting point is 00:34:10 He's very clear in interviews that he doesn't believe that there's any difference between a terrorist who is a Muslim and literally any or all Muslims. His website routinely calls Muslims migration, garbage, scum, parasites and pests. In 2005, after the Danish newspaper, Hi-Lands Posten, sparked controversy and protests with their series of editorial cartoons of Muhammad, Haar jumped on the bandwagon and doubled down, posting those cartoons and much more, which caught the attention of a large crowd of monsters and put his blog on the map. To quote media critic Stefan Neigmeister, quote, it's an openly racist mob that
Starting point is 00:34:47 gathers daily in the PI commentary area. He goes on to say, quote, PI is a forum for defamatory, slanderous, abusive, threatening, inciting and racist content. When confronted, they have really great recipes though. They could. I'm going to be honest with you. It's possible. They, the cupcakes that they make are out of this world. I haven't checked out that section of the website. Oh, so good.
Starting point is 00:35:06 So when confronted about all that, PI founder, Stefan Haar claims that he can't be a Nazi because he's pro-Israel and he can't be a racist because Islam isn't a race. Regarding this plausible deniability, Neigmeister wrote, quote, perhaps this explains the greatest attraction of politically incorrect and a multitude of smaller, but similar sites that the danger of Islam provides people with a fresh, seemingly decent legitimacy for old hatred. PI News is a bigotry depot, pure and simple. They've been constantly criticized for posting absurd and not true stories to
Starting point is 00:35:40 demonize Muslims, like the time they claimed that English banks were no longer allowed to distribute piggy banks because it might offend Islam. It's very much like info wars in this respect, the pattern of just posting whatever they find to reinforce their predetermined position, regardless of whether it's true or not. The thing is, none of this is to say that the 1063 anti-Christian act statistic is incorrect. You know, what's important is how a publication like this uses a stat like
Starting point is 00:36:05 that. The fact that this outlet is a longstanding anti-Islam agitation outlet is kind of important to mention because in no way does the official reporting suggest that these anti-Christian acts were carried out by Muslims or even by immigrants. That's an interpretation that's being added to a real number by a bigot publication, which is then being mirrored in tons of other outlets who cite PI News as a source. Without proving the primary assertions, PI News claims that, quote, two churches
Starting point is 00:36:32 were violated every day the past year because they were symbols of the hated infidels from an Islamic point of view. This is editorializing. In the past week, PI has been pushing insinuation that the Notre Dame fire was Islamic arson, attacking the story from every conceivable angle with headlines like, quote, where are the Muslim donations for Notre Dame? Missing from that article is the fact that Kamal Kaptani, the president of the Council of Mosques of the Rhône, had already come out and said, quote,
Starting point is 00:36:59 we call on Muslims in France to show their solidarity by actively participating in the National Solidarity Campaign that will be launched to find ways to rebuild this place of history of our country and this place of prayer so dear to our Christian brothers. I haven't heard a single Muslim voice speaking out against this kind of activity. There's nobody, where, where are the Muslims who are coming out in saying that we shouldn't perform these extremist attacks?
Starting point is 00:37:24 I don't hear them. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. You're not listening. I don't believe that any sort of attack, be it a property crime or assault or even just making threats is acceptable at all. No matter who the victim or the perpetrator is, this isn't a attempt to minimize the real anti-Christian acts that have happened, but I would be remiss to point
Starting point is 00:37:41 out that there's a reason that there's a larger number of acts against Christians than there are against Jews or Muslims. And it's really simple. Could it be proportion? Exactly. There seems like there are more Christians than I was going to say. Yeah, that's a piece of context that's intentionally absent from all, absent from all of this coverage.
Starting point is 00:37:58 Right. Like there are 2000 something mosques in France and 40,000 churches. I can't say with certainty where Alex got his information from, but I can say that he's using it in exactly the same way as PI news is trying to. They're putting the same spin on real numbers to lead their audience to a false conclusion. What I can say for sure is that Alex has no idea what he's talking about. And he's just making the UN part of this up.
Starting point is 00:38:22 The numbers came from the French Interior Ministry. And if he did even a minute of research for this stupid show, he would know that. So, you know, the thing about this that strikes me is it's the, the propaganda laundering technique of it. You know what I'm saying? Like so often with the 3 million illegals voted in this election tweet, it starts out as a tweet. All you have to have is some idiot with zero shame, like these PI news guys who
Starting point is 00:38:51 are going to make up some bullshit or lie about some bullshit. And that gets laundered by slightly more trustworthy outlets who just cite it as a source knowing that you're not going to go. Specific examples of that later. Yeah, and then it gets laundered again through Drudge report who cites these other groups as a source. And if you go back through the second source, it's like this, it's like the Deutsche Bank of lies.
Starting point is 00:39:14 You know, yeah, I mean, there is laundering going on. Absolutely. I can trace a couple of specific examples about it that we'll talk about as we go along, but in this next clip, Alex talks about how Islam is about attacking churches. Sure. Why? I don't know. When?
Starting point is 00:39:33 I don't know. God, and when I cover that, they have mainstream media writing articles saying Jones is making up that Islam attacks churches. It's like saying Jones is making it up that Fox's will try to get in a henhouse and eat chickens or Jones is making it up. The great white sharks like to eat seals. Do you understand what he's doing here? He's trying to make in his audience's mind the connection between these sort of
Starting point is 00:40:00 natural predatory moves that these animals do of their very nature. He's trying to compare that to Muslims attacking churches as being just a predatory piece of their nature. It's their intrinsic character trait. It's instinct. It's been bred into them for of eons. Without having to overtly say that, that is what he's trying to get across to his listeners, which is deeply fucked up.
Starting point is 00:40:27 So that's what's going on. ISIS has pledged on Palm Sunday and on the days leading up to Easter, as I said, what, a few months ago, I said, Islam is attacking churches all over the world. And I said, Islam has said on Palm Sunday through Easter, they're going to burn up and bomb churches. And guess what? They said just last week we're going to blow up more churches in France. ISIS had a public plot to blow up Notre Dame, but the talking point has gone out
Starting point is 00:41:01 that you don't let them talk about it. In fact, just what three weeks ago, when we saw the Christ Church Mosque attacked, I said the media won't cover it when we see churches being firebombed and blown up and shot up or Islamists running over people with cars or trucks screaming Allah Akbar. There's, there's a lot of angles to this. And before we respond to anything, let's just get to this next clip so Alex can give himself a little bit more of a position.
Starting point is 00:41:34 And I was just here in the break, back in the coffee room, in the kitchen, and there was Fox News saying, well, soon as all the fires are out, they're going to have arson experts get in and then the fire department to find out what happened. But we know it's not arson and we know it's not terrorism. So he says, there's no investigations been done. The government, the fire department say they don't know what did it, but it's not Muslims and it's not arsonist. Even though the reporter goes on to say, though there was no one in there at the
Starting point is 00:42:10 time that the fire started, no renovation going on. That is the renovators weren't in there at the time. That is the renovators weren't in there at the time. Now you're going to hear and see this for yourself. So this is an attack on logic. They've not looked at the evidence. I'm sorry, what? The fire was only going for an hour and they said, no Islamic terror because
Starting point is 00:42:34 Islamic terror doesn't exist. I don't think they said that. So Alex knows what he's doing here. Um, and these last two clips kind of go together in terms of building up what the narrative that he's, he's trying to push is he's playing his role in a stage production that has been run many times in the right wing media sphere. And I think people are only now starting to see how it works. The first thing that's important to point out is that the statements being
Starting point is 00:42:57 made by French authorities, uh, they weren't saying that the fire wasn't arson and that Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. That's Alex creating a straw man to fight with instead of doing any real work. Prosecutor Remi Heats, uh, was quoted as saying, quote, nothing shows that it was an intentional act and that it was quote, likely accidental. But that was just based on initial information available. That wasn't making any kind of definitive statement and Heats, uh, acknowledged that there was an investigation that needed to be done.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Like when my apartment burned down like six years ago, it was determined to be an accident, but that didn't mean that the fire department didn't still do a week long investigation just in case. Right. That's what investigators do kind of their job by Wednesday. The prosecutor's office had interviewed many of the workers at the site and said, quote, while the prosecutor's office does not rule out any hypothesis, we remind that at this stage, nothing in the investigation highlights a criminal
Starting point is 00:43:48 origin. Accidental causes remain our privileged lead. Investigators were allowed into the building. Uh, they weren't initially, but they were allowed in once it was deemed safe. So they were able to begin their work by late evening on Monday, France time, which is daytime for us. As they began their preliminary investigation, they made a statement that the early indication seemed to be pointing towards an accidental start to
Starting point is 00:44:10 the fire. They didn't say anything like what Alex is claiming. They did people on Twitter did. Oh God, probably some pundits on talking head shows did because they felt that they needed to aggressively remind people that officials had said that there was no indication that this was arson, nor was there any reason to put blame on Muslims or immigrants. And you know why they felt the need to do that because people were going to
Starting point is 00:44:33 immediately blame it on Muslims and immigrants. And they were probably going to start some sort of fucking mob immediately if they weren't constantly and aggressively told, please wait, please don't do this. Not just people, people like Alex. On April 15th, the day of the fire, Paul Joseph Watson posted an article on info wars at the headline quote, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on fire. Worker claims it was a deliberately started.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Oh God, his entire article is bullshit. And he knew that when he wrote it. I'm certain of that. Uh, it was just about getting the headline out there quick. It was still early and he had a chance at controlling the narrative. If he sowed enough doubt before anyone really knew what was up. The article was entirely based on one tweet from a guy named Christopher Hale who had tweeted quote, a Jesuit friend in Paris who works at Notre
Starting point is 00:45:19 Dame told me the Cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally set. If you break down what's going on here. It's Paul Joseph Watson reporting on a tweet posted by someone he doesn't know who is saying that he has an unnamed friend who told him that some other unnamed people told him that the fire wasn't an accident. This is not a good basis for reporting this as a possibility. This is straight up gossip at best. It also doesn't help it.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Hale followed up his tweet with another saying quote. I should note he has zero evidence beyond what the staff said. So qualify this as unsubstantiated rumors. Damn it. No, you put it in the original tweet. None of character. You put it in the original probably enough characters. You can't start with the regular tweet being like everybody panic.
Starting point is 00:46:00 We're all going to die. It's Islam and then followed up with. No, I don't know that. So even he says qualify this as an unsubstantiated rumor. Unfortunately, if something demonizes Muslims, Info Wars is happy to report unsubstantiated rumors. It's what they do because make no mistake about this. I'm not just saying this loosely.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Paul Joseph Watson was trying to imply that Muslims set Notre Dame on fire. Oh, yeah. He ended his article by saying quote also take note of the names of those who were celebrating the fire by reacting with spiley faces on Facebook. No. Which then linked to a video of Muslim names on Facebook accounts apparently posting smiley faces on a stream of the fire, which I guess is a smoking gun. According to Paul Joseph Watson.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Wow. To me, I don't care. This article is a fucking disgrace. Hale deleted his tweet because he realized how it could be misused. He didn't believe the fire was arson and his Jesuit friend didn't believe that either. It was just a third hand piece of gossip he'd heard. But in the wrong hands, that could be very dangerous. Unfortunately, the wrong hands found his tweet before he could delete it.
Starting point is 00:47:02 And Paul Joseph Watson used it as cover to point the finger at Muslims. Can you imagine how frantically once the fire started, he had to have been frantically searching and researching constantly. Absolutely. Like I just need one. I just need one tweet saying clearly all it takes is one. Exactly. And this tweet didn't even say that it was.
Starting point is 00:47:20 No, it just was enough air gave enough air for him to put his finger through. Yep. Hale got to learn an important lesson. Quote, I regret that I became an unintended tool for the worst parts of the internet. I think what's remarkable about this is how quickly in an eight desire to blame the clear accident in Paris on the Muslim community took a life of its own from a tweet that was up for 10 minutes. Infowars wasn't alone on this.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Multiple fake Twitter accounts created to look like Fox News or CNN posted complete bullshit to try and trick people like saying that Ilan Omar's response to the fire was to say, quote, they reap what they sow or posting videos of Notre Dame on fire with audio. Added it in of people saying a lot walk bar. No, the push to blame Muslims for this fire was very strong and involved all the major players have passed propaganda campaigns. We've seen we talk a lot about this because it's super important.
Starting point is 00:48:12 People like this pack of assholes know what they're doing. They're doing and they know that it only works if they work fast. They know fully well that if they do nothing initially and the investigation comes back with proof that the fire was an accident. It's cover up. They'll have no they could use that, but that's not nearly as effective. They will have squandered an opportunity to rile up their audience with this speculation initially.
Starting point is 00:48:34 I'm sorry. I'm gonna make this cover up argument, but it's not nearly as impactful. Right. I misunderstood. I thought you meant afterwards. Like, yeah, if they get to it first, then it doesn't matter. They win either way. They don't want they prefer not to do the cover up argument because
Starting point is 00:48:46 it's not as emotionally resonant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And on the same tip, if they do nothing initially in the investigation comes back later with proof that let's say Isis set Notre Dame on fire. The visceral emotional response will have worn off on their audience. And it'll be hard to whip them up into the same level of hysteria that they're able to in the moments after an emotionally resonant event. And let's say problem with the cover up argument.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Yeah. And let's not forget they won't also be able to claim vindication and being always right forever. Right. If they, if they, you know, if their wild speculation does turn out to be true by some chance, they're like, guess who's an Oracle now, Notre Dame? Fuck you. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:23 You know, so this is part of the game that's being done. And this is what Alex is engaged in. Like his own website posted this based on a tweet to try and claim that space early on the speculation space. That's such fucking and oh, you're the worst. Right. And then when people respond on Twitter or respond on these talking heads shows to this rank speculation that is clearly intentionally
Starting point is 00:49:47 designed specifically to point the finger at Muslims when they respond by saying, Hey, look, they're, you know, don't, we don't want to get into that sort of thing because that's fucked up. Yeah. Then Alex is like, why are you covering this up? Why are you afraid of an investigation? Right. Why are you so sure it was an accident when in reality it's just a fucking
Starting point is 00:50:07 stupid dance that's being played? What's, what's so, I actually, I actually cried yesterday because my girlfriend and I had just started, she hadn't watched the Twilight Zone and they hadn't like the first four seasons where it dropped onto Netflix. So I was like, Oh shit. Yeah, we're going to watch all of the Twilight Zone. And when we got to the monster on Maple Street, do you remember that one? That's the one where it's this idyllic little 1950s Eisenhower suburb and
Starting point is 00:50:37 all of a sudden just all the power goes out. When the cars will start and within moments, everybody starts picking at each other and I'm just watching this going like this was in 1962, whatever, right? That this was recorded and I'm crying because this is the same fucking shit like Twitter turned into that, that entire place all day every day. And it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be if people could just respond to things better and
Starting point is 00:51:01 not let their sort of. And watch the Twilight Zone. Sure. Yeah. Anytime you want to blame Muslims, watch a Twilight Zone episode. So that's that aside. I would be remiss, Jordan, if I didn't point out that we're recording this on Sunday and late last night, our time, multiple bombs went
Starting point is 00:51:18 off in churches and hotels in Sri Lanka. Yep. But as the time this recording, many of the details are still developing. So I don't feel comfortable necessarily reporting any of the specifics about it. Nope. Throughout all this last week, Alex has been yelling about how ISIS was going to attack churches.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Like we heard in that clip just before he said they were going to attack churches on Easter and that very well may be what ended up happening. Right. We don't know, but that might be. Alex might have been right on a technical level about that prediction. Time will tell. Mainstream outlets are reporting that no group has taken responsibility
Starting point is 00:51:49 and it's unclear who's behind it. Complete assholes like Robert Spencer of jihad watch. Oh, boy. Note one of Anders Breviks most cited resources in his manifesto are posting things like quote reports suggest that suicide bombers might have been identified as dot, dot, dot. And then he says people's names who I'm not going to repeat because I have no idea where he's getting this information from.
Starting point is 00:52:11 And it could possibly be pointing the finger at people who have nothing to do with anything of most of you know, 50, 50 at best. Right. So you have some names of people who are ostensibly connected to ISIS. Yeah. And look, here's the thing. This is awful and a complete tragedy and must be seen as exactly that. But if these folks are correct and this was an ISIS attack, that doesn't
Starting point is 00:52:31 change my opinion at all about the perpetrators of the attack. Two days ago, I thought ISIS was a horrible, brutal terrorist group that has no place in our society. They have a long history of killing civilians and terrorizing populations and working against that is a valuable goal. I still think that today. No, but now they did this. That doesn't change.
Starting point is 00:52:50 I mean, that's, I mean, I'm not saying to minimize this or not care about the bombing in Sri Lanka, but I'm saying that I you all knew that ISIS was capable of that a month ago. Well, you remember when they put out YouTube videos, cutting people's like literally decapitating people. I never would have expected this behavior out of those guys. Right. They're a terrorist group.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Yeah, exactly. You know, which is, yeah, exactly. It's not to, it's not to minimize the damage that they've done. No, well, how can you possibly use this as some sort of extra amplification of your hatred of ISIS? Right. And when more information comes out, whatever the case may be, if it does turn out that it is an attack that was perpetrated by ISIS, I will
Starting point is 00:53:36 feel, you know, the same, but a little worse about, about ISIS. One more, one more checkmark in the, your guys are bad. Now at this point, as we're recording this on Sunday, InfoWars has posted an article with the subheadline, quote, Islamic suicide bombers launched attacks on three separate churches. About the attack in Sri Lanka, which is actually just a copy and paste of an article in Zero Hedge. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Here's the problem. That Zero Hedge article doesn't say that Islamic suicide bombers are behind this attack. Alex and InfoWars just added that to this article. The closest thing that Zero Hedge articles has that comes close to this is quote, no group has yet to claim responsibility for the deadly Easter morning attack. Those Sri Lankan Christians as a sizable minority of about eight
Starting point is 00:54:21 percent have reported an uptick in persecution and threats coming from Muslims and majority Buddhist population in the country. So that is the closest that the Zero Hedge article comes to. Alex Jones is copy and paste of it adds the subheadline, quote, Islamic suicide bombers launched attacks on three separate churches. That is not in the source material. That is Alex adding that a hundred percent. Other than that, the only coverage of that Sri Lankan attack so far on InfoWars
Starting point is 00:54:48 is another copy and pasted article, this one from Breitbart about how the Pope denounced the quote, cruel violence of the attack. Sure, that's fair enough. I agree with that. I find it kind of silly that Alex would run a story like this when he also spends a ton of his time yelling about how the Pope is involved in a global child sex trafficking and cannibalizing ring, but he's free to run his business.
Starting point is 00:55:07 How he sees fit the problem here is that the InfoWars article has this subheadline quote over 200 dead by Islamic suicide bombers, hundreds more injured. I think you can already guess this, but nothing in the Breitbart story indicated that the attack was carried out by Islamic suicide bombers. It's not even a Breitbart story that's published on Breitbart. It's just a copy and paste of a report from the Associated Press. It's mostly just about how the Pope is praying for the children in
Starting point is 00:55:33 Yemen and for peace around the world to replace violence. On a very basic level, this is super bad. Sure, it could turn out that the people who committed this attack were members of ISIS and they could even be Muslims. But at this point, Alex has no reason to report that other than to push the narrative. He could editorialize something like quote, I bet this was suicide bombers, but he's not doing that.
Starting point is 00:55:55 He's copy and pasting other people's articles and attaching his conclusions to them. Even if his hunch ends up being accurate, his journalistic practices are unacceptable and he should be ashamed of himself for doing that. A situation like this is far too serious to treat with that kind of disrespect and flippancy. Is he literally copying and pasting? Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Like he's not, he's not rewriting. No, no, these are just reposting on info wars, the text of the articles, but he does say at the top, like the byline is zero head, right? Right. The byline is Breitbart, but yeah, it's just copy and pasted articles. I don't know if they have like a agreement where he's allowed to do that or if he's doing it without permission. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Yeah, that's because that report came out like last year that Alex had used all those RT articles without permission. Right. And RT wasn't super happy about that, but I don't know. He could have an arrangement with zero hedge or that's weird. Yeah, I don't know, but it's really, really fucked up that Alex is taking these stories and adding his own sub headlines to them that have nothing to do with the content of the story that is his source material for it.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Yeah. It's framing of the story. It's inappropriate. Isn't that something that Drudge is pretty familiar with or wasn't that his kind of opening practice? I mean, he writes aggregating and then he writes his own little headlines that will link to stories. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:18 And without too much time spent focusing on Drudge or researching his practices, I know that he does write his own headlines for these stories. And sometimes they're a bit sensationalized and such, but I don't know if he goes this far. I'm not saying he goes that far, but I do. I do see him like being something of a progenitor of this type of ridiculous practice. I mean, yeah, it's it could be.
Starting point is 00:57:42 It could be that Alex has taken his game and gone much further with it, but you see what's going on here. You see the the initial thrust being a need to control the story, control the story and box it into our narrative. A story from the Associated Press that Breitbart has copied and then Alex has copied from Breitbart from the copy from the Associated Press about the Pope praying for the world and for peace is now turned into a subheadline of Islamic suicide bombers committed this with no evidence.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Right. It's gross. The same as a tweet that gets picked up by PI news that gets picked up by but that gets picked up by amplifies it with three different removes. Yeah, that's what Paul Joseph Watson was doing immediately after Notre Dame was caught on fire and it is their business practice. Yep. This is how this works.
Starting point is 00:58:36 But of course, Alex would tell you that there's a cover up and that it was arson. That's right. At this point when you're told don't look at something before the fires are even out and you've got Islamic groups saying we're going to target this and they have before you've got to then default. There's a cover up, but they don't want you to be able to ask questions. That's the cardinal sin.
Starting point is 00:58:54 That's ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous. No one's telling you don't investigate because there are investigators investigating. I think people are telling you Alex specifically, please don't investigate. We would prefer regular people. What is the investigation entail for Alex? He can't find any evidence.
Starting point is 00:59:12 Like he's not going to be able to go into the cathedral and like look at, he doesn't, he's not a fucking fire marshal. He doesn't know anything. He's wearing a 1940s press pass in his little cap and he walks in there. Excuse me, I would like to investigate this fire. It's fucking ridiculous. The idea, like sure, you can, you can investigate tweets or something. No one's going to stop you from that.
Starting point is 00:59:36 But like, there's the very idea that he's presenting it as anyone is saying stop investigating stuff towards the people who are doing the investigation. The French officials or something is nonsense. So it's because Alex does see like we talked about earlier. He does see this as something of a crusades. Like there's a modern day crusades going on as we can hear from him in this next clip. I mean, we've got videos where you can look out a high rise window and see
Starting point is 01:00:06 like 400 fires burning. And people going, just running around, just Molov cocktailing each person has two or three Molov cocktails in a backpack. Each person burns three cars. You'll have 500 dudes running around and they'll just go down street after street and the domesticated Europeans literally pissed themselves. And I'm not putting Europeans down. It's just, they're so domesticated and you hear the video of some
Starting point is 01:00:32 in English like what do we do? Is that Bernie? Is that Bernie? They know to burn Europe and they're burning the churches. And then so that's, you know, you're just presenting Islam as an invading army and that's, you know, not good. It's not, it's not a good way to look at things. So, but the reason that they're, you know, there's Alex has a cause to worry
Starting point is 01:00:58 is the idea that all of these folks are coming in, right? They're all these immigrants and all these people who are unlike him are coming into countries and it would be bad enough if they just had ill will. But the reality is to Alex, they're part of a bigger plan. And of course that plan is being run by Soros. And meanwhile, the whole leftist group is funded by George Soros, an actual Nazi collaborator. Well, what they're trying to do is to get enough dumb people to go out and
Starting point is 01:01:28 attack white folks. So white folks start shooting back so they can cause a civil war. So understand the ponds in this are the minorities. They're trying to manipulate. And the good news is you got any leftist event, it's 90% white. Bunch of professors that's the good to get blacks and others to riot. Remember the documents we got that good in January of last year. Now, 16 months ago, secret internal George Soros documents from Alexander
Starting point is 01:01:52 Soros, how to have professors dressed up in black in Maryland and other cities attack pre pre. Place places they had agreements with Starbucks, everybody. I was wondering why they knock over a trash can attack Starbucks and McDonald's. They have pre agreements. They won't press charges. What they talk about the scripting points, they are actors, but but it's real attacks.
Starting point is 01:02:13 You'll burn their trash can. You'll attack that. It's this is all just bullshit that he's making up editorializing on those fake contracts that he found on 4chan. This is all just that like he's using that completely ludicrous fake document that he found. As evidence of this global plan in order to cause minorities to attack white people to cause a civil war.
Starting point is 01:02:35 This is fucking stupid. So this show is really bad. I'm trying to understand this plan that he's made up. Yes. You get professors right wearing all black. That's important. Yeah. And they knock over trash cans outside of Starbucks.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Well, because there's an arrangement because they have a pre place arrangement because haven't you noticed that they actually have a pre place arrangement because haven't you noticed that they always attack a Starbucks? Maybe they really haven't. Maybe there are always Starbucks everywhere. Maybe that's why. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Maybe there's a fucking billion of them. Maybe they really just hate Starbucks. Could be. Maybe they're like, you know, locally grown boutique coffee shops. I don't know. It's stupid. It's all just those stupid fake Soros Antifa documents that Harrison Smith found on 4chan and Alex has disgracefully
Starting point is 01:03:26 pretended as real because again, like when we talked about it, when we talked about it the first time, like the very fucking idea that you would make someone sign a non disclosure agreement in order to be like part of a criminal conspiracy in order to overthrow the country and start a civil war is laughable. Yeah. The fucking idea is nonsensical. Anybody involved in that kind of a criminal conspiracy would
Starting point is 01:03:50 know that it's in no way protected by an NDA and making someone sign an NDA would only leave a paper trail. That was it was weird with a Stephen Soderbergh left that scene in on Oceans 11 where George Clooney had everybody sign an NDA and they had to do the whole thing. It was really surprising. So stupid. And like these things are the underpinnings of the beliefs
Starting point is 01:04:11 that he has that reinforces his ability to say horrible bigoted things. That's why these stupid things are important. And you could just laugh them off if they weren't reinforcements and the the sort of the things that hold up the bigotry, which is, you know, a bummer. So now here's a here's a fun one. Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:32 Alex gets sidetracked by by a fun narrative because he's kind of he said most of his piece about the Notre Dame fire. He doesn't talk about it that much. It's gross the way he does talk about it on the 16th. Right. They doesn't talk about it that much, which is sort of a theme of the big news of last week. Doesn't really talk about it too much stuff too much.
Starting point is 01:04:54 So thankfully he gets into some other stuff and here's one of them that is just total bullshit. What's wrong with this picture right here? Your radio listener stories posted up on info wars.com from the LA Times putting American flags on police cars sparks backlash in Laguna Beach. Yes, people don't like seeing American flags and the reason they've got to be brought out is they're demonizing the American
Starting point is 01:05:21 flag. The Democratic Party has officially come out and said many of their leaders get rid of it. It's a racist evil symbol. Sounds like that get rid of that flag sounds like it. So a lot of the reporting on this story outside of even Alex's stupid show has been pretty off the mark. A lot of it seems to circle around that idea that the flag
Starting point is 01:05:39 is seen as an intimidating symbol to immigrants or some shit like that, but that's misreporting from the original story in LA Times. Quote a decision to repaint Laguna Beach police cars with an image of the American flag running through lettering on the doors will return to the city council Tuesday after some residents deemed it unfit for the artists community. Though most of the comments made by residents in recent months
Starting point is 01:06:02 were about the squad cars new aesthetics online reaction in recent days characterized the debate is pitting flag supporters against flag opponents. Mayor Mayor Pro Tem Steve Dictero said Monday the council is simply facing quote a very narrow decision about the brightness of the colors. But that the issue has devolved into a broader national conversation about paper.
Starting point is 01:06:28 All right. So this is like this is like they had two graphic designers and one of them was like, let's have a giant American flag with a big eagle on it. The other one's like, let's have a smaller American flag with a smaller eagle on it. And they're like, you hate the American flag. That's it.
Starting point is 01:06:43 Yes. Great. Good work guys. An artist named Eric is great. An artist named Carrie Woodburn attended a council meeting where she said that the design scheme looked quote aggressive. But an important distinction is that she didn't mean the flag was aggressive.
Starting point is 01:06:55 She meant it from a design standpoint. You just can't even design things after idiots started attacking her and leaving more than 150 messages quote vf phone calls texts voicemails and emails. She explained what she was talking about quote. I don't really care too much about the design other than what I said. It's bad art.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I'm being attacked for that because the narrative feeds the fire of division, which is what our culture has become. So Jordan, if you're following along here, what's happened is this Laguna Beach commissioned a new design for their cop cars and it ended up a little bit tacky bad move. Mayor pro temp Tom or a dick to row literally said quote clearly the way it looks on the car is not what anyone expected it to look like expressing that the design
Starting point is 01:07:40 looked better on paper than it did on the cars. So they put together a council meeting to sort out the artistic issues. The fact that they were having a council meeting to reevaluate the car's design was intentionally misrepresented by people like Franklin Graham, the Christian Broadcasting Network Fox News and Infowars in order to turn the story into one where the flag is under attack because the flag was never
Starting point is 01:08:01 under attack when the flag isn't ultimately removed from the cars. All of these outlets get to march around to pretend that they won some super important culture battle when in reality it only existed in their head. I'm on team climate change. We need to go. This can't be.
Starting point is 01:08:15 This is we're done. So I'm out. I say congratulations dumbass Patriots. You've saved the flag from yet another imaginary threat from what I understand the customary celebration in their culture for times like these is to make up a Thomas Jefferson quote. So I look forward to hearing what they come up with. All right.
Starting point is 01:08:32 So we have the new design for the cars. American flag is going to be on there. I think we need to take it back though to the council because the car is originally painted orange and cream sickle. So I don't think we want to Thomas Jefferson quote. Yes, it is. The only complaint that I saw from like primary reporting about the flag itself was from somebody who was making a
Starting point is 01:09:00 point that the way that the red, white and blue of the flag is presented in the letters ice in police. The last three letters are mostly red. And so there was like a feeling of this aesthetically doesn't feel good. Right. The idea that there seems to be a difference between the pole and the ice right in the in the color scheme right
Starting point is 01:09:22 which I think I certainly can see what they were saying. If you look at the cars, it is pretty glaring that ice is predominantly it sticks out more in the eye than the police part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't seem like a cohesive word based on the design. So even that could be an aesthetic argument less an argument that the flag shouldn't be there.
Starting point is 01:09:43 So whatever, who cares? This is all bullshit. That's ridiculous. I hate that so much. That is so fucking bullshit. This is how you fill time imaginary battles, imaginary victories because Alex is never wrong and he's very hard to fool.
Starting point is 01:09:58 Fucking guys, calm it down. So here's the next one that he gets to and it's he's playing a clip of Tucker Carlson talking about Ilan Omar and it's bad but Mike down because what Alex says after Tucker Carlson is worse is somehow worse. God damn it. I hate this place. This is really impressive.
Starting point is 01:10:18 The one Upsman ship. Okay. Here's what Omar recently told Vogue Arabia in an interview. She described living in the United States as quote an every day assault. America is so racist and hateful. She says that she feels quote threatened demonized and vilified every day.
Starting point is 01:10:36 It's difficult for her even to go to work in many ways. Things were easier growing up in a refugee camp in Kenya. She says quote when you're a kid and you're raised in all black all Muslim environment. Nobody really talks to you about your identity. You just are. There is freedom in knowing that you were accepted. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:53 So why'd you come here to conquer us? That's it. She doesn't want to simulate. She's been brought here by Soros to piss all over the. So that's really fucked up man. I think it goes without saying what Alex is saying about Representative Omar is incredibly disgusting him telling his audience that she's here to conquer the country and that
Starting point is 01:11:11 Soros is paying her to do so is pretty dangerous talk particularly given the wildly and aggressively anti-Islam character of his entire show these days. He's somehow managing to play this clip of Tucker Carlson being a dick and then outdoing him which I find impressive in its shittiness. But I want to address the propaganda sleight of hand that Tucker is trying to perform in this clip.
Starting point is 01:11:31 Oh it's so obvious. She never said that America is so racist and hateful that she feels threatened demonized and vilified every day. The article says quote it's challenging. She says of living in President Trump's America where her status and heritage is constantly criticized quote it's an everyday assault every day a part of your identity is threatened demonized and vilified.
Starting point is 01:11:52 Trump is tapping into an ugly part of our society and freeing its ugliness. It's been a challenge to try and figure out how to continue the inclusion how to show up every day and make sure that people who identify with all the marginalized identities I carry feel represented. It's transitioning from the idea of constantly resisting to insisting in upholding the values we share that this is
Starting point is 01:12:12 a society that was built on the idea that you could start a new and what that celebrates is immigrant heritage. So you can already see the twisting that he's done by cherry picking can't. That's so that's such it's such a deliberately evil act of like no matter what you do no matter what you say if you say anything I will find six words rip it out and say that you hate America right even if you're into even if you wrote
Starting point is 01:12:39 an entire novel an entire book about how you love America 100% if you even mention a fault it's going to be like oh see see how she hates America. If you don't love every single part of America especially the part where every day on Twitter you're attacked by people for being Muslim and told you're a terrorist and then whenever you fucking turn your TV on at night Tucker Carlson says that you're a terrorist and then Alex Jones says you're
Starting point is 01:13:04 a terrorist and then the fucking president attacks you on Twitter right maybe it does feel like a constant fucking assault Tucker but but she's not saying that it's an everyday assault on her no she that's that's part of the twisting that Tucker is doing here because what she's talking about is pieces of your identity are assaulted that threatened demonized and vilified these pieces of yourself that you were proud of and are proud of and are a part of you it's it's a
Starting point is 01:13:30 different thing it's it's it's very slightly different but it's importantly different and then the other thing to I mean Tucker says that she sometimes it can't go to work or it's hard to go to work in that passage there is what he was misrepresenting she's saying that it's a challenge to try and figure out how to show up every day and make sure that people who identify with all the marginalized identities I carry feel represented it's not a challenge to go to work it's
Starting point is 01:13:54 a challenge to figure out how to carry this representation and make sure that the people who have these identities feel represented Tucker do you know what the challenge is dealing with your bullshit it's a big part of it she never getting discouraged by your bullshit and instead showing up to work every day saying I will fight back against this she never says that things were easier for her growing up in a refugee camp in Kenya she says that all her life prior to coming to America
Starting point is 01:14:21 her eyes her identity as a black Muslim woman didn't register to her it just was who she was but that when she came to the United States she found that there was a tension and some conflict between her identities and society which she found hard to deal with as a fucking 12 year old child who had just survived a fucking civil war which he's saying is introspective it's not judgmental and not bitter and it's completely reasonable Tucker Carlson is absolutely
Starting point is 01:14:46 100% twisting her words of taking everything she said in this article out of context to present the image that Ilan Omar hates America thinks that it's a racist place and longs for the days of the refugee camp where everyone around her were black and Muslim. The passage in the Vogue article about the discomfort she felt about her identity as a 12 year old is part of a paragraph that also contains Omar quoting the extreme optimism that her father and grandfather imparted
Starting point is 01:15:12 to her after her mother died when she was two years old quote today does not determine your tomorrow. Her discussion of her experience was a hopeful one and it was an expression of seeing a future where society and identity aren't at odds with each other and see Tucker so maliciously twist this into an overtly xenophobic propaganda piece is an absolute disgrace only surpassed by Alex's commentary on it. Man, yeah, it's that's that's a one to combo that I that I find
Starting point is 01:15:41 a very discouraging in an Ilan Omar sense. It's a real bummer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these people are shitheads. Are the I'm I'm interested to know and it can't be true but the writers for Tucker Carlson. Nobody knows who they are. Right? I mean, they're probably they're listed in the credits of course. Never thought to check in on that. But it's like Tucker Carlson isn't extemporaries in extemporaneously telling all of this. He has writers in a room. I wouldn't be surprised if he
Starting point is 01:16:10 did a lot of the writing welfare. But at least there's nothing to do it daily caller anymore. At least there's a graphic design like all of these people are the ones who are putting this shit out there and they just get away with it. Well, I mean obviously they're not the face of it. Obviously one of that like some sort of writer some form of writer found this article in vogue and brought it to the table. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, if we focused more on Tucker, we
Starting point is 01:16:36 would know who those writers are. Right. But I mean, the same way that I know who fucking Harrison Smith is. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder it just seems like the a lot of that ostracism that we we kind of give towards Tucker Carlson should also be directed towards the people that write for him. It does appear that you know, in some ways, he's kind of just a face man. Yeah. So that's the end of the 16th. And I wanted to listen to the 17th and see what happened. But I didn't have the time and
Starting point is 01:17:03 or the interest because on the 18th Thursday, the Mueller report came out. Right. I knew that in terms of doing this episode for Monday, if we're covering the present day while you were on a fucking beach in Mexico. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was doing Thursday. I wasn't getting fucking shit stolen from me by the TSA. That definitely wasn't wasn't my Thursday. God damn fucking Denver. bottle of Scotch taken by damn. Well, but you know why it's because the Denver airport's
Starting point is 01:17:29 full of evil spirits. Yeah, I know. I my girlfriend didn't know about the the Mustang. And I I Lucifer. Yeah. Yeah. And then she was like, What are you guys talking about? And I was like, Okay, you're going to love this story. And I gave her the whole long list of like internet articles to read about it. And for five minutes, she was just going, Oh, did you give her? Did you give her a list of the articles about what the actual symbolism of it is? Yeah. Yeah. The artist's father
Starting point is 01:17:53 running on the onsite. Yeah. Absolutely. Just making sure you didn't just go. I didn't give her I didn't give her the conspiracy bullshit because I think the real story is way more fascinating than the conspiracy murals. She loved him. Good. Yeah. We had to go through security twice though. And that fuck, fuck Denver Airport. Fine. Bunch of bastards fair enough. Stole a body anyway, you're in fucking Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So but do coming back doing an episode.
Starting point is 01:18:20 I know that there's only two ways or two things that are super important. One is that Notre Dame was on fire. Yeah. And to the Mueller report came out. So those things have to be a part of this. So 17th. Get back. We're moving on to the 18th. Here we go. In this first clip, Alex makes pretty clear that he hasn't read it. But of course, but he knows what's in it. So as dredger report.com says it's Mueller time. We have the full report right over here on my desk. We've already
Starting point is 01:18:48 been scanning through it, but it's really just confirming everything we already knew from the congressional testimony from the text messages and all the rest of it. That this was a giant frame up an attempt to take down the duly elected president and overthrow the election of the people. So the cool. Yeah, whatever. I would say that first of all, we kind already like months ago, we knew what his angle would be. Yeah, you know, like it's not it's not a surprise. Yeah, no,
Starting point is 01:19:22 we got this one. But actually, the one thing that I take away from this really, and I think this is probably a little bit surprising is one time where I'm not mad at Alex for having not read it. It just came out. There's no way he could have read it. If I were him, I probably would have had someone fill in and taken an hour or two or whatever to read it and then come on air. Yeah, when I could be conversant in it and know more about it. Instead, what he does is just make wild
Starting point is 01:19:49 assumptions about it. That sounds right. He doesn't talk about it that much. Yeah, he basically did a bar. He did a William bar. He just Yeah, he kind of like it says whatever I wanted it to say. Let's not worry about it. I'm gonna give you a short snip. Let's move on. Yeah. And he just uses the fact that it's out to reinforce whatever he wants to say, namely, that is, it's basically a cover up and the Democrats are the ones who were guilty all along. We know it. Hillary
Starting point is 01:20:15 uranium one, of course, all the hits. Yeah, the Miller report was always going to say what we said it was going to say, right? So it's not all that interesting, but there are a couple of things that do come up in his coverage that I think are interesting any of themselves less about his feelings on the report. And here's one of them. And it's that he needs to find a bunch of different ways to say balls. Trump has the deep state, the Democrats, the Rod Rosensteins, the James
Starting point is 01:20:47 Comey's, the Andrew McCabe's, the Bruce Orr's. He has them all by there's a word for it in Spanish, the co hones, meaning the WAVOS, meaning the testicles, the short hairs, the balls, the balls. Just say the balls. Get Lionel out here. At least we could have 30 different ones instead of four shitty ones. Yeah, that's pretty fun. The tulips, you know what I'm saying? All right, bottom of the grapes. Yeah. Um, so, Alex, stones, smooth. So what Alex is going to do in lieu
Starting point is 01:21:29 of actually knowing anything about the report, what he's going to do is he's going to play William Barr's press conference in its entirety. William Barr's month old press No, the one from the day. Oh, okay. Okay. About the announcement of the actual report. Gotcha. And so that's fine. But it's interesting his justification for doing it. In fact, you know, I think the best thing to do is come back on the other side and just play the press conference end to end with a few
Starting point is 01:21:57 stops where I had some context to it. That's the best way to do this. That's what a regular old smart news show would do. That's a weird way to frame it. I'm going to play this press conference a comment because that's what a normal smart press news show would do. Stop trying to beat that Alex. You're not it. What is it? MST three CNN? Is that how that usually goes? Yeah, you bet. Yeah. You know, all those times that you see Brian Stelter playing a video, then yelling at someone to
Starting point is 01:22:25 pause it so you can scream about something. Absolutely. Hey, start that over. Start that over. Yeah. 20 seconds back. So Alex doesn't get to playing the press conference. He gets distracted by other things like the fact that the New York Times has written an article about him. New York Times wrote a huge fantasy piece about me that I'll cover next hour because it's so illustrative of their delusion. Exactly as I've been saying, they say in this, if we can't destroy Trump, the
Starting point is 01:22:57 consolation prize is destroying Alex Jones. It's a religion of losers that are into hurting America and prosperity. They hate America. They hate prosperity. Sounds right. This New York Times article that Alex is talking about is a piece about his deposition video. The headline is quote Alex Jones under oath is an anecdote to the post truth age. I think you already know my feelings about this article already, namely that the premise is a failure. So wherever it goes from there
Starting point is 01:23:26 doesn't really matter. The part about Alex being a consolation prize is this sentence, quote the hundreds of thousands of views on these videos that have accumulated a test to their appeal as a hashtag resistance consolation prize. Maybe it's not a habitually lying president, but at least someone is getting called to account under oath for his role in the post truthification of American life. This isn't talking about destroying Alex. It's not even talking about destroying
Starting point is 01:23:52 Trump. If anything, it's expressing a very understandable desire to see but known pathological liars be forced to exist in a space where they cannot lie. Of course, the fact that Alex being under oath is ultimately meaningless and a civil deposition and the fact that he knew that and continue to lie pretty consistently in the deposition should be evidence that if anyone took the Alex deposition as a consolation prize for Trump not being under oath, they're not
Starting point is 01:24:16 dealing with reality. And that article is actually pretty soft on Alex. So I don't I don't care. He's going to get back to complaining about it later. Of course, and we'll see what happens. Well, it's got to come back to him sooner later. Right. So one of his big complaints about this article though at the times is that they talk about how Alex got grilled about things that he was making up about Sandy Hook and that that was delightful. And so he makes this proclamation.
Starting point is 01:24:41 They say that I'm making it up that there were reports of a man in camouflage tactical gear in the woods that was arrested. I went and dug up the newscast that show it all eyes are rolling. I can do it with everything they say. So this is a tease because Alex is going to defend himself a little bit later about Sandy Hook stuff. No, and it's not good. Alex. No, I honestly think that we're about to see things go way off the rails like a moth to a light man. He's
Starting point is 01:25:13 just going right into it. There's something that happens towards the end of this episode that I never saw coming and completely blows my mind. It worries me. But also as it like a sketch, I think is hilarious. Okay, so we'll right now. Now I'm excited. We'll get to that. But Alex gets distracted from this also because he has another news story that he wants to cover. Oh, you didn't hear about it because it got almost no
Starting point is 01:25:37 attention. A leftist philosophy professor, Mark. When I pronounce this, Lamporello, that's real tough had two big gas tanks of gasoline, lighter food and lighters was caught inside with it spilt on the ground inside St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York. And then he said to police while I was just trying to find gas for my vehicle, they had on the surveillance footage pulling up, getting out of the van, going in with it. And of course
Starting point is 01:26:12 his vehicle had pulling a gas. If he would have been successful though, it would be on the news that it was not arson. And anyone investigating it is a terrorist. Wow. But that's an assumption. You can get away with it here. And isn't it funny that I had speculation? Leo Zagami investigated journalist on your stand. He said, I bet it's a devil worship or leftist. I bet it's a devil worship. Muslim. He said they've been wanting to burn down all the cathedrals for a while. He
Starting point is 01:26:38 goes, I expect them to start burning more down. Not just a Muslim. Oh, and then a leftist philosophy professor Muslim. Most of me scratch out of the service to Aleister Crowley Heights. Oh, that's a big ritual to burn down a cathedral. Leo Zagami is a big ritual to burn down a cathedral. Leo Zagami is a fucking lunatic. And he's been on Project Camelot. He pretends he's an Illuminati insider love it. But he also is one of Alex's big resources in anti-Catholic narratives
Starting point is 01:27:07 about the idea of them having sex trafficking rings of children. Why are you now using him as some sort of defending Catholic Church narratives? What are you doing? What is what's the through line? We're not busy. That's what he's doing. Let's throw it all throw it all on the wall. Arguably he's too busy. So the guy that Alex is talking about here. It's a really weird case actually. This guy, Mark Lamprello is a 37 year old college professor who's
Starting point is 01:27:35 simultaneously also a PhD student at CUNY pursuing a degree in philosophy. I can find no evidence that he's a leftist as Alex is claiming. That seems to just be made up. Anybody who's pursuing a degree in philosophy must be a leftist. Not true at all. Stefan Maladu makes it. Oh, he doesn't have a degree. He doesn't have a degree. I was gonna say, anybody's, anybody's going through the proper channels. Still not true. As someone who
Starting point is 01:27:57 was a philosophy minor, I can attest that a lot of them are shitheads and the shitheads on the left and the right. Yeah, let's let's there's a lot of play philosophy is not short on shitheads. There's a lot of fingers to be pointed in a lot of directions. Yeah. So the fact that the or the idea that he is on the left or whatever that might end up being true in the end. I'm not sure, but nothing I can find gives me any indication of that. Whatever his politics are. Lamprello was
Starting point is 01:28:22 arrested after walking into St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York, carrying two gas jugs, two bottles of lighter fluid and some barbecue lighters. Those long lighters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would call this a good catch by the police who are able to avert what appears to be clearly someone who had bad intentions. Lamprello had been thrown out of the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart in New York, Newark, New Jersey just two days prior. He caused a scene at the church and refused
Starting point is 01:28:45 to leave after repeated requests, ultimately throwing himself on the floor saying he'd only leave in handcuffs. He was arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest with a court date scheduled for May 1st. He arrived at St. Patrick's Cathedral on Wednesday night and he had suspiciously purchased a one-way ticket to Rome that was leaving from Newark on Thursday. He'd also canceled classes. Criminal mastermind. Yeah. He'd also canceled classes he was supposed to teach at
Starting point is 01:29:12 Seton Hall claiming that he was sick. So, well, these sick of these churches, you know what I'm saying? Well, he is also a Catholic. His family is very Catholic. Yeah. That's very, that's why a lot of this is very strange. So, the investigation is still ongoing. It's still in progress. It feels pretty safe to say the circumstantial evidence here. It doesn't look good. There's a very decent chance he was planning to set that set fire to that church. I was just going
Starting point is 01:29:37 to start a barbecue for everybody in the church. Come on. Come on. Alex's line about him saying that it was just gas for his car. That is true. That is what he said. I believe and it turned out his car was not on empty. So, all that is like it is. It's weird. What his motivation was is anyone's gas at this point which makes Alex cover this. So, coverage is worse. Just way worse. In his article about Mark Lampralo on Infowars.com, they just quote large chunks from a heavy
Starting point is 01:30:04 article about him. Then say, quote, incidentally, this video went viral Wednesday on Twitter and underneath, they have a completely out of context video of Muslims outside a burning church which is claimed to have been either from 2013 or from August 14th, 2018, depending on which part of the body of the article you look at. What? What? What? In the in the article itself, they have two different possible dates for the video. They are, it says that it's. Oh, it says it's both. Depending
Starting point is 01:30:32 on where you look in the article. For a video that is unrelated to this particular incident. Absolutely. That seems that seems a little bit difficult to believe. Kind of like you're trying to drive a conclusion unrelated to the story. Yeah, that's difficult to believe. The video is posted as a tweet from an account whose name is Stormtrooper with three American flags after it. This is an account that's pretty much all just anti-Muslim agitating with frequent
Starting point is 01:30:56 calls for Islam to be literally banned in the United States. His feed is mostly just retweets from MAGA dipshits or retweets of MAGA dipshits. Yeah. But something I found particularly interesting is that he has 16.6 thousand followers and yet whenever he tweets anything himself, he struggles to get any kind of engagement, which makes me think his account is kind of a facade. Probably. It just seems like no one's listening. The inforce article
Starting point is 01:31:21 concludes that the Paul Joseph Watson video about how Muslims were celebrating the Notre Dame fire based pretty much entirely on his crack investigation of Facebook smiley faces that we talked about a little bit earlier. Well, he is an intrepid reporter. I will give him my point here is that inforce isn't interested in this story about Mark Lamprello. They're only interested in using it as a waypoint to transition back to what they want to talk about
Starting point is 01:31:44 namely that Muslims are evil, even though that has literally nothing to do with the story that this article is supposedly about. Also, you know how I told you that the inforce story about this guy is really just copy and pasting chunks from an article and heavy. Well, if you do go to that heavy article and includes this passage that inforce conveniently forgot to mention in their article on Reddit, he quote responded to a news story in 2018 about French people disliking
Starting point is 01:32:08 President Donald Trump more than Putin, Xi and Merkel. He wrote quote all I know is if the French dislike us for something, we must be doing something right. They think they're so much more sophisticated and culturally alluring than us, but secretly they're jealous of us and want to be us. Never forget that fellow Americans. Oh boy sounds like it doesn't sound like a leftist sound like a demon left really doesn't sound like a leftist seems like a demon
Starting point is 01:32:31 leftist who hates Trump. I don't know if there are any leftist I know that would say something along those lines with the idea that the French dislike us or the dislike Trump and if they the French dislike it that means we must be right. Yeah usually very leftist argument. Usually we say cheese eating surrender monkeys ironically it's a it's a fun little switch them up. Now what's interesting is absent from any of this coverage where I mean it's the this guy went to St. Patrick's
Starting point is 01:32:57 Cathedral in New York with the lighter fluid and lighters. They pivot and try and talk about these unrelated Muslim fires on churches and stuff like that these these insinuations of Muslim guilt right and other now and of course they add in the white supremacist fires on the black churches right they I'm sure they that they add those in suspiciously absent from any of the coverage really seems like it's important they don't talk about at all either on Alex's show that I've
Starting point is 01:33:25 heard or on their website at all the fact that in the past week Holden Matthews a 21 year old son of a sheriff's deputy was arrested for setting fire to three historically African American churches in Louisiana. Matthews is pled not guilty but the fire marshal has provided evidence including cell phone tower records showing that Matthews was at the three churches and images recovered from his phone of the churches on fire before firefighters arrived. Okay that's
Starting point is 01:33:50 that's a so he's boy we have got to get a higher class of criminal here. That evidence has been presented so I mean sure they you know innocent until proven guilty but boy it don't look good. Oh yeah well no these photos I took of my girlfriend being murdered before the cops got there that was I just walked in and I was like I better have something to show them to know that I didn't do it guilty not me see you saw. Three hate crime charges have also been filed against
Starting point is 01:34:16 Matthews as the prosecution has indicated they have evidence that the arsons were racially motivated. A search of info war's website for the name Holden Matthews yielded zero results. The same is true of news wars and Paul Joseph Watson's new site summit dot news. They have not mentioned this at all. You know they're small operations. You just don't have the time to cover all the news you know there's a lot of other stuff that they didn't cover. Why aren't you
Starting point is 01:34:40 talking about that like in Chicago there was a cat that got lost. Are you kidding me. We don't have time to cover that. Why would we cover these historically black churches being burnt down by a white supremacist. I mean I would argue that a missing cat is slightly less relevant to the topic that all these other articles you're writing about fire and churches and the intersection thereof. Well yeah I mean I can see how you would get that it seems like
Starting point is 01:35:03 a topic that Alex is inordinately obsessed with right now. It seems like this would be something here's my point yeah I would never expect him to deal with this reasonably irrationally but I would expect him to use those as like it's a false flag. Muslims really did it. Yeah I would expect him to use that as some sort of a way to push his other narratives and I'm just not seeing that which is weird. It's very weird. Yeah it does seem like it would be
Starting point is 01:35:26 something because he's always saying that they look here's what they're going to do they're going to they're going to do one of these to blame us like that seems like a perfect opportunity for him to be like hey see if they're planting these white supremacists he's probably on the drugs and he plays video games and all that stuff and obviously I can't listen to literally every episode of his show try as I might. So I figure like maybe I missed it but if you search
Starting point is 01:35:49 his website there's no articles about him nothing. So now finally Alex gets to Barr's press conference. This is interesting. That's enough of that. Let's give the press conference. I said I would total vindication of the president and the proof that the FBI leftist groups were funding the fake PP dossier Buzzfeed all of it. Here it is. So I'm confused. Do they even mention Michael Steele? What? Barr? Yeah. No. Does he mention the dossier? The dirty
Starting point is 01:36:20 dossier? I don't know. He might have. I mean it comes up in the report. Yeah it comes up in the report. I didn't realize that he mentioned it in the press conference. So I don't care for us to listen to too much of Alex licking Trump's boot by proxy as he lavishes praise on William Barr and this press conference about the release of the Mueller report. We knew all along Alex how he would respond no matter what was in the report no matter what action was taken in response to
Starting point is 01:36:42 the release of the report. If the report found no wrongdoing we were right all along. If the report finds serious wrongdoing this is a cover up by the deep state Clinton globalists. There's no real world outcome that doesn't fit into his narrative so it's almost pointless to even think about it. It's the definition of trying to hold sand slipping through your fingers. This idea of like aha Alex is yeah this is the direction he's going. There's not a whole lot
Starting point is 01:37:05 of content to Alex's response to the Mueller report either and what is there is just super predictable and I'm not all that interested in it. I kind of feel like covering it is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. There's something more important that we could be doing namely discussing what the hell is Alex thinking supporting William Barr? What the fuck is he doing? Oh Dan for one thing.
Starting point is 01:37:30 Let's get into the history of William Barr because he's a fun character. William Barr was in the CIA from 1973 to 1977. It was a pretty fucked up stretch of time to be in the CIA for one thing Watergate was unfolding all around President Nixon during this stretch culminating in his resignation on top of that Seymour Hirsch just released the family Jules reports that outlined how the CIA totally assassinated foreign leaders
Starting point is 01:37:53 and illegally spied on citizens. They thought might be subversives like members of the Black Panthers, women's rights groups, the Israeli Embassy and various anti-war groups. In response to these revelations being made public the CIA was in a bit of a strange position and they were facing congressional investigations. So messed up time to be in the CIA. Also in 1976 while William Barr was in the CIA George H. W. Bush was named Director of Central
Starting point is 01:38:18 Intelligence. Interesting how in May 1990 George H. W. Bush appointed William Barr Deputy Attorney General and then about a year later full on Attorney General. Oh I wonder if something went on around that time for we'll get to it H. W. that William Barr would be during his tenure as attorney there a parallel maybe during his tenure as Attorney General William Barr authored a report titled the case for more incarceration, which many have credited as
Starting point is 01:38:47 being the inspiration and justification for the mass incarceration state we've seen explode in the decade since. The 1992 report is laughable in its arguments ranging from things like we shouldn't release people from prison early because some people commit crimes after they're released early to no one goes to prison for their first crime. They're hardened criminals by the time they go in. Oh the basic point that Barr is relying on to make his
Starting point is 01:39:10 argument is that when rates of incarceration go up they cause crime to go down the years since 1992 and numerous academic studies have not been kind to this line of thinking in 1992 the U. S. held approximately 600,000 people in state and federal prisons. Ten years later that number was almost one million people higher in all fairness the upward trend did begin before Barr's report and even more fairness.
Starting point is 01:39:33 He still has blood on his hands for how the report was used to expand the prison industrial complex as one of the sections in his report is about how we need to build more prisons. His report also discusses how to pay for these prisons. What do you know? His solution is literally counter to one of Alex's ostensible firmly held beliefs. Do you mean Civil Asset Forfeiture?
Starting point is 01:39:52 Oh you bet. Oh boy. Quote states should make sure that they have adequate statutory authority for asset forfeiture. The Department of Justice has used literally used hundreds of millions of dollars from its asset forfeiture fund and the Office of National Drug Control Policy special forfeiture fund to support construction of new federal prisons.
Starting point is 01:40:09 There is true poetic justice and forcing criminals to pay for prisons. Except some of my criminals poetic justice except for a lot of that stuff that's taken from yeah, it's fun how poetic justice can sometimes just mean injustice. Right. Do you know what I mean? Often do you mean do you mean evil?
Starting point is 01:40:26 One of Alex's websites is Prison Planet and one of the things that he's very concerned about is the prison state. Yet one of the main architects of said prison state who advocated using civil asset forfeiture to pay for the construction of more prisons is now lauded as a hero to Alex. All it takes for the worst of monsters to him to be rehabilitated is for them to bend the knee to Trump. Alex Jones is a stupid cowardly empty suit over a dress shirt
Starting point is 01:40:51 with its collar on button because his big neck is too fucking thick. He's the worst. The worst. You shouldn't like William Barr. Nobody should like William Barr. Except for HW. The he's the only one who should like well and all the people
Starting point is 01:41:06 that he pardoned. Oh, also. Yeah, interestingly in his time as HW's attorney general William Barr was the one who advised Bush on who to pardon effectively being instrumental in helping Bush cover up his own involvement in both Iran Contra and Iraq gate. This led New York Times writer William Sapphire to give him the honorific title cover up general Barr.
Starting point is 01:41:26 Yeah, I it's almost it's almost like there was something in his past that led Trump to choosing him as the attorney general. I know it feels like that and and honestly I under I understand that impulse and I think that there may be something to it but it is it is like it. Yeah, I fight back against drawing that sort of conclusion but man man it's too dead on it is one to one is one to one.
Starting point is 01:41:55 Yeah. So after that after he left the attorney general's office he started working for a lot of lobbying interests and stuff like that which is another thing that Alex made about half of his Obama deception documentary about the idea of hired people who'd worked in lobbying. William Barr is now Trump's attorney general after spending a lot of time in lobbying interests.
Starting point is 01:42:14 So William Barr is a piece of shit. We can gather that from looking over his record but I thought it might be fun to see what Alex's own website has said about him in the past. Yeah. Steve Watson wrote an article on December 10th 2018 about how Rand Paul was very troubled by Barr being nominated as attorney general.
Starting point is 01:42:31 The article quotes Rand Paul is saying quote I haven't made a decision about him but I can I can tell you the first things I've learned about him being more being for more surveillance of Americans is very very troubling. I'm disturbed that he's a big fan of taking people's property civil asset forfeiture without a conviction. You know it's funny as far as I can tell William Barr's name has never appeared in an article on Info Wars News Wars or
Starting point is 01:42:55 Prison Planet before that 2018 article by Steve Watson Jesus and since that point the articles that have mentioned him have completely ignore or dismiss his pre-Trump career. The idea that he has this all this intense baggage it only appears in this one December 10th 2018 article by Steve Watson and then and you know those archives go back a long ways like those are archives of articles on News Wars or maybe not News Wars that's kind of newer but Info Wars and Prison
Starting point is 01:43:24 Planet you can find stuff from way back like early 2000s. Yeah damn and the idea that William Barr's name doesn't come up the idea that he was so preoccupied and obsessed with things that are very similar to what William Barr advocated for something about odd Bella bedfellows I believe strange that I think Thomas Jefferson said something about odd bell bedfellows. Yeah so Alex is presenting this William Barr press conference
Starting point is 01:43:48 as being completely exonerating of Trump of course that's the talking point the sure bananas but he's also pretending to have some sort of an awareness of it like he's listened to it already or watched it which is kind of undermined by his response listen carefully this is very soon after he starts playing the press conference this made me laugh. As the special counsel report makes clear the Russian government sought to interfere in our election process be
Starting point is 01:44:19 asked to the special counsel for investigation. So that's kind of believe it that gives you like if you just listen to that it kind of gives you a sense of how this goes there's not there's not a ton more other than pointing the finger at Democrats and stuff like that but this part is fun. This is the proof of election meddling by the Democrats and of course they used Russians that they paid off that are part of the Soros group that'll tell any lies they're told to Trump's
Starting point is 01:44:52 in a hotel room knowing all those hotel rooms are bugged being pissed on by hookers if he was that type of maniac he'd ever gotten where he is. So I don't know if that's true Jordan. I think I know a lot of powerful people who have later on turned out to enjoy being Jordan. Yes dad on page 239 of the Mueller report the dream of the P tape has been reborn.
Starting point is 01:45:19 Is that the title of the title of that chapter. I'll tell you this is the only thing that I really took away from the Mueller report because the stuff that I'm most interested in is all the stuff that's redacted all the stuff that involves like Corsi Ted Malik Roger Stone all of his involvement is harm to ongoing matter right so it's all blacked out so quite honestly I will come around when Rogers trial starts and stuff like that but for now I a lot of this is
Starting point is 01:45:46 stuff that you know we'll we'll see what comes of it but as for page 239 no no no. In that report there is an indication not reliant on the steel dossier that there are or were compromising tapes in the possession of the Russian government from the report quote on October 30th 2016 Michael Cohen received a text from Russian businessman Georgi risk held as a that said quote stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure there's
Starting point is 01:46:14 anything else just so you know dot dot dot Georgi said tapes referred to compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by personas associated with Russian real estate conglomerate crocus group. I'm not saying the P tape is real I'm just saying that Alex's defense about it just got a whole lot weaker because that's not the steel dossier that's that's text messages that they recovered from Michael Cohen.
Starting point is 01:46:39 Well if I remember correctly though the the theory that they had for that was they were fucking with Michael Cohen shut up the P tapes real I'm pretty sure if I remember I don't care if they were the theory was that those guys were actually just fucking with Michael Cohen very well maybe yeah I don't give a shit the dream is alive okay. So in this next clip Alex pauses bars press conference to make a wild assertion that I think is indicating that he doesn't
Starting point is 01:47:10 really know what he's talking about. First the report details efforts by the Internet Research Agency a Russian company with close ties to the Russian government to sow social discord among American voters through disinformation and social media operations. It's linked up with our tea. You go watch our tea now it's the most leftist stuff I've ever seen in my life most of the time unwatchable.
Starting point is 01:47:39 That is almost no viewers in the U.S. RT. RT was okay like five years ago RT is a joke in the United States unwatchable crap that influenced our election. That's the same thing RT Internet Research Agency all that crap it's not he's asserting that the IRA is the same thing as that's insane now that is insane so in this next clip Alex says that the Mueller report is really just evidence that they tried to get Republicans and conservatives to flip on Trump
Starting point is 01:48:17 like they tried to bribe them to lie about that that's all it's proof of I really don't think so that's all it's proof I think it's actually proof of a lot of other stuff. Now I'm pretty sure there's a lot of proof in there of a lot of stuff that I don't think Alex likes it's only proof that they tried to pay Republicans to flip on Trump none of them what right now but I remember it but I but I read it but there was a lot of proof in there of a lot of other stuff.
Starting point is 01:48:44 Nope but if you read it then see if this squares with your read I'm going to go no preemptively well don't be so prejudiced. So come back with the meat and potatoes where he says 100 percent Trump and involved with nothing let's back it up 20 seconds thanks yes but but but here's the big takeaway from this they tried to get thousands of Americans to take money we're talking millions of dollars in some cases to sell out
Starting point is 01:49:08 and none of them would do it none of you know they've been asking Democrats to sell out the country for money they'd say hell I don't want money I want to ask America in America was never great it'll ever be great their religion is hating this country Democrats aren't Americans folks they aren't whoa enemies their enemies whoa that's really the only reason I kept that clip in because first of all I love rain sound effects I have to fall asleep to thunderstorms every night as
Starting point is 01:49:32 a white noise machine I like Alex talking about how Democrats aren't Americans and their enemies over weird drizzle but that's what's important that's what's important that's the that's the I don't know it's not dehumanizing because it's still like I guess they're people but they're not they're not they're not over this country. Nope you don't even need to worry about enemies of the state
Starting point is 01:49:54 they're enemies they deserve their traders yeah whatever they get they get yeah and they have it coming yeah and if that means you know you have a shotgun you know things happen things happen somebody's a somebody's a good guy somebody's a bad guy I'm not saying what to do with that shotgun but you know which guy's a bad guy it does I mean that's not literally what he's saying but that you know we know from living long enough and knowing enough history that that's
Starting point is 01:50:17 the true that's the direction this sort of rhetoric tends to take tends to go yeah it doesn't get better like it's not like you start from a position of this group I politically disagree with aren't members of our society and then you're like and you know what two weeks later I think they're great it tends towards getting worse that sentence never ends with look these guys aren't Americans there are enemies but they've got some pretty good ideas and I think
Starting point is 01:50:46 we should hear them out that's not usually how that goes never never so Alex you know he's listening to this William Barr thing and the reason he yelled BS at that that point earlier. Well it wasn't the Russians it was the Democrats who hired the Russians to lie about it. Alex does not believe it was the Russians. No of course not which he talks about a little bit in this next clip. Where's the beef we will see with the Assange prosecution coming out. Where's the proof
Starting point is 01:51:15 that the Russians because we know it came to people like Snowden in the past and others and Bradley Manning not the Russians and the download speeds have been looked at forensically and they've confirmed her name is Chelsea you couldn't get this over the Internet that fast it was gotten on thumb drives. Amazing amazing it is amazing so this is Alex Jones spreading Seth Rich conspiracies without having to take the risk of saying his name. Yep that's all
Starting point is 01:51:44 this is. Alex's narrative is that Hillary Clinton is actually the one who was in bed with Russia and so she sold off you know all our uranium and all that bullshit. So in order for that narrative to stand up at all he needs to find a way to reject the idea that the GRU or Russian operatives hacked and disseminated her campaign manager and the DNC's email in an effort to aid the Trump campaign. Do you understand how stupid that sounds if he's trying to make both of those
Starting point is 01:52:08 arguments really stupid. They're very difficult to hold as in the same space as thought. The most professional cognitive dissonance or would still have trouble with that right because it would be hard if like they're secretly in cahoots but also they did this against her. Yeah it doesn't make sense. No the way he's done this in the past to make this make sense that you know it wasn't Russia behind them and she's actually secretly in bed with Russia being able to
Starting point is 01:52:34 maintain those the way he's done that in the past is to say that Seth Rich leaked the information to WikiLeaks and Hillary killed him because of it. In the present day he's being sued by murder victims families so I think he's feeling a little bit cautious about creating more of those situations in his life. The rich family has been pretty clear that they're sick of the bullshit and they don't appreciate people exploiting their son's death so he's
Starting point is 01:52:54 wise to keep his name out of his mouth. But that doesn't take away Alex's need for that narrative. If that explanation for the provenance of emails goes away he's left with having to accept that Russia hacked the email of the person that they were working with in order to help the person who was running against her which is a tough needle to thread for anyone. Alex needs the Seth Rich narrative but he knows that he has to be coy about it so he just uses the
Starting point is 01:53:19 part of it that he just did. The idea that download speeds were too fast in order for it to have been a hack. That makes sense. You couldn't get this over the internet. It had to be a flash drive memory stick download. I remember that we live in what was that was 2016 and we didn't have the technology to put things in the air. Alex is getting this information from William Binney, a man who had a decent run as a legitimate critic of the NSA and the inventor of the
Starting point is 01:53:48 beverage depot. I know what you're talking about. He had a decent run as a legitimate critic of the NSA but he began appearing only on right wing conspiracy shows and eventually became that which he surrounded himself with. His credibility is shit. My favorite example from our show in case you forgotten was when he came on Alex's show pretending that he had a copy of the classified Devon Nunez memo from the hashtag release the memo. Oh that one of 2018 but in reality
Starting point is 01:54:16 had a completely unrelated and very old memo that he was passing off. Yeah, this real one which should give everyone cause for pause. Anyway, Binney is part of a group called the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity or Vips. It's unclear how many members of this group there are and honestly, who gives a shit? They were formed in January 2003 inspired by faulty intelligence that was being used by the Bush administration to go to war in Iraq. Their
Starting point is 01:54:44 first effort stands up to historical scrutiny quite well. A lot of the rest of their work is scattershot at best. One of the reasons for that is that their members often don't agree on things. One wing of the group will release a memo about something leaving other members to release dissenting memos. It's kind of a mess. So they're like the strokes, you know, they had a really great first album around 2000, early 2000. I would agree or disagree if I knew anything other than
Starting point is 01:55:08 the stroke. Well, there you go. Speak to it. In July 2017, the side of vips that Binney is on released a memo citing the work of someone who only is known as the forensicator. I'm not making that up. Tuesdays on TNT. So this memo argues that there's no way that the DNC files were copied by a hack. They had to have been taken by a flash drive because the size of the files and the time it took to copy them were impossible to square with
Starting point is 01:55:42 physically possible download speeds and they reported this says who well they reported this also as a certainty says fucking who so naturally this fed the Seth Rich narrative quite well and it gave it the appearance of credibility. Here's this group of veteran intelligence professionals saying that it's literally impossible for this to have been a hack. So therefore Russia didn't do it and they even got the forensicator to sign off. I mean,
Starting point is 01:56:15 I wanted I need more sentences to use that and they brought the forensicator in you kidding me. Alex started promoting this narrative as did all of the right wing con men who are eager to let everyone know that William Binney had their back and it was impossible that Russia hacked those emails. Unfortunately people started to do some examination of the claims of the VIPs memo and found them to be complete bullshit.
Starting point is 01:56:41 They got the forensicator cater. That's what they did. Nathaniel Freetas an associate fellow at the Berkman Klein Center of Technology at Harvard did an analysis and found that the memo made some really faulty assumptions. He found that while the claim that the download speeds required to copy all this information in the time allotted would be impossible using commercially available at home internet connections available from like Xfinity.
Starting point is 01:57:09 Those speeds quote could be achieved by a variety of other digital communications configurations a high speed business grade internet service provider an inter office local area network communications between servers within a commercial cloud provider and they even said yes those speeds would be what you get with flash drive also but there were other possibilities. It would have to have been downloaded in upwards of 10
Starting point is 01:57:32 megabytes per second Dan we don't have the technology. All of these possibilities were just discounted by the VIPs memo because they were working towards the flash flash drive conclusion as opposed to considering all possibilities which is a good reason to be suspicious. After the memo was used as the basis for an article in the nation other members of VIPs felt that they had an obligation to speak up and point out that they didn't agree with the
Starting point is 01:57:55 conclusions being put forth. These other memos chastised the writer of the original memo for not including any quote qualifiers disclaimers or dissenting views nor offering any alternative theories and for presenting their argument as a quote slam dunk. They sum up their feelings thusly quote the bottom line this VIPs memo was hastily written based on a flawed analysis of third-party analyses the forensicator and then
Starting point is 01:58:18 thrown against the wall waiting to see what would stick. There's only one reason to hold on to this impossible download speed argument at this point after the analysis has been done on it and the only reason is to continue to spread Seth Rich conspiracies long past their expiration date and it's bad. Yeah, it's real. It's really bad.
Starting point is 01:58:36 Yeah, and that's what Alex is doing here. Well, he's the liar cater. Yeah, the non confirmers. I wasn't good. Not confirmed. All right. So one of the other things that Alex has to wrestle with is the idea that in the Mueller report there are 10 instances
Starting point is 01:58:53 of Trump like pretty clearly obstructing justice. Yeah, you want to speak a little on that. So the report I'm not asking you to list. No, no, no, I'm not doing that the report as I read it, which is one of the interesting things. Everything I keep reading about people's takes on it is so all across the board. Right.
Starting point is 01:59:13 Like nobody bring a lot of their own ice of Jesus. Yeah, bring things into the text. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, basically Mueller concluded that Trump obstructed justice and he didn't conclude that there was no collusion because that's not really a thing. They concluded that conspiracy would be impossible impossible to prove because everybody was lying to him or wouldn't talk
Starting point is 01:59:37 to him or straight evidence. So yeah, exactly. So he didn't clear him of collusion or conspiracy. He said we couldn't prove we were unable to confirm. Yeah, yeah, which is like saying we were unable to prove that this mob boss killed everybody because for some reason nobody's testifying and everybody that we did get to testify is dead.
Starting point is 01:59:57 Yeah. Isn't that weird? Yeah. Can't convict him there. I was looking over like Trump's answers to questions like the appendix, whatever at the bottom towards the end of the report. I was like, why did we even do this?
Starting point is 02:00:08 Yeah, I mean, investigation is important stuff like that because you can find, you know, like these like text messages, yeah, you know, emails and stuff that help like build more understanding, right? Just reading over Trump's fucking answers. I was like, who didn't think that was what's going to happen? No kidding. Just like, I don't remember like what he was going to tell the
Starting point is 02:00:31 truth. Right. Good God. No, right. And then as far as the obstruction, uh, shit. Instances. Uh, I think it's actually a total of 11. Um, but based on every kind of, uh, prosecutorial review of
Starting point is 02:00:45 that section I could find. If they had two out of those 11, they would get a conviction in two weeks. Right. Like that's basically the situation. Mueller wrote them a conviction and he didn't, he didn't want to actually convict him because it's against the justice department's memo.
Starting point is 02:01:02 Uh-huh. It's not like they couldn't do it. Right. He started, the whole investigation started from the point of we are not going to convict him of a crime. Right. We are only going to prove he committed all of these crimes. And then Congress, if you were a functioning democracy would
Starting point is 02:01:18 take care of this. Yeah. So yeah, Trump did that shit. So there are all these instances of obstruction that are referenced in the, uh, in the, in the report itself. And that's tough for Alex to get around. Whoops. No, it's not.
Starting point is 02:01:30 Oh, it's not. He now, uh, moves into the area of obstruction. Uh, that's when the president says, I'm innocent. None of us took money from Russia. This is a bunch of crap. What do you do? He would reportedly cuss at people with what you do when you're being accused of being a foreign agent, when you're
Starting point is 02:01:46 Mr. Red, White and blue, you get pissed off. That's what happens. I'm sorry. Somebody recuses you being a trader. See how it feels. See a Democrat would love that because they hate America. The average Democrat would say, yeah, of course I hate America.
Starting point is 02:02:02 That's, that's cool. Yeah. Absolutely. Those of us that care about the country and are honorable, it gets our blood temperature up here. So, so if you care about America, you would obstruct justice. You, yeah, I guess that is the implication. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:15 Let's play that out. Let's be a couple of Democrats. All right. All right. You want to start the scene? Uh, we're a trader. Well, yeah, of course. Well, thank you so much.
Starting point is 02:02:25 It's like you're a trader. Thank you. Hey, do you want to get a drink? Uh, it'd be like, uh, the trade ring hole. It'd be like that, uh, the old way that Sean Hannity would answer calls on his radio show, be like, uh, caller would call him and be like, Sean, you're a great American. And he'd respond, you're a great American.
Starting point is 02:02:42 I always loved that so much. You're a great American. You're a great American. You don't know who that person is. I, I, my favorite, my favorite parts of the Mueller report are, are so ridiculous just because it's like. It's every part of the Mueller report that isn't a direct, like proven obstruction of justice is always because it was attempted obstruction of
Starting point is 02:03:07 justice and it like every time somebody, every time Trump would be like, Hey, go commit the most obstruction of justice you possibly can. They'd be like, um, like telling McCann to, uh, fire, uh, whatever. What are you doing? Keeping notes. I'm a lawyer. My other lawyers don't keep notes. Your, uh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:29 And I, there's a, an important distinction to that, like, uh, you know, obstruction of justice doesn't require an, uh, underlying crime. Like even if you're innocent of the underlying crime, obstructing justice for whatever reason is still a crime. Even one time it's a crime. A lot of times it's a lot of crime. Yeah. It's interesting.
Starting point is 02:03:48 But I mean, I guess Trump just swore because he was mad because he's such a patriot. Oh, he's such a patriot. Uh, and the media is lying about him. They are. And that's why Alex. So is the Miller report. Right.
Starting point is 02:03:57 Yeah. But that's why, but mostly the media covering the Mueller report. And that's why Alex has this suggestion for his audience. Put placards out on your house or on your car or whatever. MSM is the enemy. Democratic party is the enemy. Democrats didn't use to be the enemy. There's still some Democrats that are good people that are just brainwashed.
Starting point is 02:04:14 But the, the, the lockstep Democrat from mid level to the top are a globalist cult sworn to conquer the nation. Well, I mean, cool. Then you're, what are you doing? What do you, what are you doing? You're, I mean, you're telling people to put up signs that they're the enemy. Yeah. You're saying that they're sworn to destroy the country.
Starting point is 02:04:33 Right. But let's keep them around. Well, there are some of them that are good that are just brainwashed. Right. You know, you don't want, you don't want to look, you don't want to execute an innocent man on death row. So you make sure that everything's taken care of. We have to leave all of the Democrats alone because they're a couple of good ones.
Starting point is 02:04:50 Whatever, whatever the case is. This is a fucking extreme language. Yeah. That's pretty irresponsible. Yeah. He wants people to die. Yeah. Um, but, you know, I mean, some of the people that he's clearly against,
Starting point is 02:05:01 I mean, the media Democrats, they're people who maybe some of them work for the New York Times. Hmm. And I should tell you this, Alex is about to say something that ain't true. There are so many New York Times articles routinely on the front page of the paper or on the front page of the website that I don't even read most of them. Now that would be true. That sounds true.
Starting point is 02:05:23 Alex saying he doesn't read stuff is true. I will always err on the side of truth when he says he didn't read something. But based on what he says next, it's clear that he misspoke. What he meant to say is there's so many front page stories in the New York Times about me. Because you read them and it's like painful. Not that they're attacking me, but that they're such liars. It's crazy.
Starting point is 02:05:47 They're hurt feelers. I don't believe that Alex has ever been on the front page of the New York Times. Maybe like when the Sandy Hook lawsuits broke or something like that, but I can't imagine like may what would I say? I would say the over under is three and a half times. He's been on the front page. You think so?
Starting point is 02:06:05 And I'd take the under three and a half seems high. That's why I took the under. Yeah. I would, I would stick with two and a half. I would stick with two and a half. If I was going to lay odds on this one. If I was a Vegas bedding guy, that's where I would go. Over unders two and a half.
Starting point is 02:06:18 All right. Actually, I would still take the under on that somehow. I want to have this over under being negative one and a half. Just in case, just in case they, they put him on the New York Times front page one time and then ripped all of them off. I could see a couple of times and being on there though. You think? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:34 Maybe like in relation to stone or something like that. Yeah. Certainly not the. Oh, he wouldn't be the headline. No, no. It would be him mentioned under the fold. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:06:44 I think page six. They see him a lot with Johnny Depp. Alex is seriously exaggerating how often he's on the front page of the fucking New York Times. Maybe his wedding was on notable weddings. Maybe that could have been that nope cause he won't let people know what her name is keeps her name a secret wouldn't put that wedding announcement of the fucking globalist New York Times.
Starting point is 02:07:03 So Alex got a call from the New York Times reporter who wrote this story about his deposition video. I think I'm pretty. No, never mind. This is about talking about that New York Times article, but the, the writer who called him. Yeah. Different guy, different guy, different guy.
Starting point is 02:07:19 Okay. And much like Alex, uh, saying that he's on the cover of the New York Times a lot, not true. This story also very not true. And I was told by a New York Times writer. Name him about a year and a half ago or they said, you need to basically come in and join us and turn against Trump. You're going to be destroyed.
Starting point is 02:07:37 This is an off record conversation, meaning I can't say who told me this. What? But they said, you're the low hanging fruit that you don't have to read. So they want to get under. Oh, they think you're the populace that got him elected so they can destroy you.
Starting point is 02:07:48 They destroy his base. And I go, you mean the, you attack me. I turn against him and my base turns against him. And I said, there's one way I'll turn against Trump and that's if he turns against the Republic. Point of order. Alex says at this point turned on Trump like four times. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:04 Yeah. Yeah. He can put a gun to my head or up your dirty asshole. And I told that son of a bitch. Don't you ever call me again. Oh yeah. You tell that New York Times. Okay.
Starting point is 02:08:15 You son of a bitch. All right. So I call you. So, but please, please call you again. I need traffic. One of the reasons people say things are off the record and they agree to it is so you don't burn the source. Right.
Starting point is 02:08:27 If part of your conversation is I hate you and I never want to speak to you again. This is you would feel free to burn that source. Would you not? This is how a child deals with off the record, right? Because you made the salient point, which is you have to agree to both both parties. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:43 Remember scare of moochies article where he's like, I thought that was off the record. Yeah, it wasn't. No. Nope. Why would you think that? Yeah. Also a lot of the time whenever things are off the record,
Starting point is 02:08:54 you're not allowed to talk about them. Not just who said it. Yeah. So the idea that he's holding to some sort of journalistic standard is imagined. He's making this up. Well, maybe he was using a voice modulator so he couldn't even tell who the person was.
Starting point is 02:09:10 And the first thing that the guy said was it's off the record. I am New York Times robot. He was just a guy with the stoma. All right, could be. So Alex here now tries to read that article about himself in the New York Times to talk about it where he's the consolation prize for not being able to take down Trump. Unfortunately, he can't find the part of the text that says
Starting point is 02:09:31 consolation price. Of course. And so it goes bad. Does he have command? He goes on to say it's a consolation prize to see Jones even though we can't get Trump. Control of consolation prize. I want to read it here.
Starting point is 02:09:45 So that's all this is. I'm like the symbolic simulation of victory for the horrible miscreant left with one of their people just caught caught trying to fire bomb. St. Patrick Cathedral in New York yesterday one of their they're so mad. They don't control reality more. They don't know what to do.
Starting point is 02:10:04 There's no evidence that that was one of the left one of their people one of their people. There's not there's no indications of that. Alex is just making shit up. Hey, anybody who would do something like that is one of their people, right? Is that that that's one of those classical logical fallacy? Yep.
Starting point is 02:10:19 Fuck off with that nonsense. So the reason that Alex is talking about this this article what's really stuck in his craw is the idea that the article is pointing out that under oath in the deposition. He can't provide any evidence of the claims that he was making about Sandy Hook, particularly the incident of him talking about there being someone arrested in a swat gear in the woods.
Starting point is 02:10:46 Yeah. So Alex is decided that he can prove those. No, no, Alex. No, this next clip. God damn it Barnes get in here. Where are you? This next clip is crazy. And as I said, the deposition.
Starting point is 02:11:02 Yeah, I think there still could be a second shooter at large. There's something going on here. It took him six years to put a report out on this. It's not illegal to question things. So there's something big in Sandy Hook. So here they are on this article saying Jones caught making up man in the woods. Well, here's a few of the newscast clips that I'll show you
Starting point is 02:11:23 a bunch of newspapers. Here it is. So he just ends up playing the clips that he based his conspiracy on the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. We'll get into some of the dynamics of what's going on here. It's incredibly fucked up. But the thing that he's talking about, there's something
Starting point is 02:11:37 up here is that he has now found out that Chris Murphy and Blumenthal they have like they one of them ran the comedy duo Murphy Murphy and Blumenthal classic Vodvillian duo. Murphy apparently ran on Sandy Hook when he got into office. What? That's what Alex is. That's what he's found. And then Blumenthal is like related to somebody who works
Starting point is 02:12:02 at a business of some sort and it's a conspiracy smoking guns. So Alex is saying that these two are attacking him because of Sandy Hook because there's some grander conspiracy, but also Alex needs you to know that there's a second shooter that he believes is still on the lamb. Okay, so are is he just trying to add like amicus briefs from different new plaintiffs? Is that what he's going for?
Starting point is 02:12:22 I'm not sure. But is he trying to get a class action lawsuit? Can you have a class action defamation lawsuit? I think you could. But yeah, but then I think I think, you know, he's he's in for a penny in for a pound and he's already in the middle of this lawsuit. So why not make the persecution even greater?
Starting point is 02:12:38 Right. Why not? Fair. Why not turn it into a thing where everyone? Everyone. I don't know because it's still not like what he's doing isn't illegal. Like no, it's not defamation to say that he still believes
Starting point is 02:12:50 that there's a second shooter that's still on the loose. No, it's fucking stupid. Do you know the the KFC double down sandwich is not illegal, but it's fucking stupid. So Alex plays these these videos and then he gets to some news articles that justify his like, this is what you know, this is why I'm questioning things and we'll see how good these articles are.
Starting point is 02:13:12 Terror attacks and drills coincidence or conspiracy. This article gets into all the drills were running that day. So this is an article on Skeptoid, which is a blog post that Alex is trying to use to justify his arguments that there was a drill that overlapped with the shooting at Sandy Hook. The article does point out that there was a shooter drill in Bridgeport, Connecticut that day, but that's a completely different city.
Starting point is 02:13:35 Also, Alex might not want to draw people's attention to this article as it very clearly says the idea that attacks and drills are related. It says this of that quote. This entire theory seems to have caught fire. Thanks to a post from Alex Jones. I like Mike Adams trying to turn a tragedy into a conspiracy. It goes on to say it goes on to say quote.
Starting point is 02:13:57 We also have to realize that for the few times drills and terror attacks coincided with each other. There have been countless other times that drills were conducted without incident or anything unusual happening. You just don't hear about them because there's no reason to nothing happened doesn't make for much of a conspiracy after all. While the headline that Alex reads seems to look good for
Starting point is 02:14:18 Alex's point, the body of the article is actually a condemnation of his worldview and the way he and his team try and exploit tragedies. I feel like this is a theme on our show. He really needs to read the things he brings up. People really got to start reading. Can't skim. Why is a stupid fuck can't skim man.
Starting point is 02:14:34 So he comes up with another piece of information from you know right around the you know the months after Sandy Hook and it's not good either. Sandy Hook DA sites potential suspects fears witness safety so says we got to keep everything secret. This is months after it happened because there might be another shooter. That's three months later.
Starting point is 02:14:59 February of the next year. So we're saying hey there may be more shooters. Well the DA said that how about you sue him. See what they don't want is you look at end of this and I don't know what's going on here but this is getting crazy. Something's up. He's spreading fucking seeds. This isn't suspicious at all.
Starting point is 02:15:20 This article that Alex is pointing to this was you know the attack the shooting was an attack where 28 people were murdered at a school. This article came out on February 5th 2013 only 54 days after the shooting. So it's very reasonable to believe that the investigation was still very much ongoing at that point as to the idea that the DA thought there were multiple suspects that's not
Starting point is 02:15:42 totally accurate based on the article. The article goes on to quote public affairs officer Lieutenant Paul Vance is saying quote whenever you conduct an investigation you don't speculate as to where it's going to take you. As I said we're going to look at every single thing every piece of material and we'll take it from there. The article explains that the DA was concerned about unsealing
Starting point is 02:16:02 warrants related to the case because it would quote identify persons cooperating with the investigation which could be dangerous for them. Oh yeah what if their names got out and some crazy conspires or website would just go and like give their names out and maybe publish their addresses and make sure people thought that they were okay. It would never happen.
Starting point is 02:16:23 Okay good. He didn't specifically say that it was dangerous because the secret other shooter would get them. He was saying just generally it could be a threat to their safety. And as you're pointing out by February 5th 2013 the conspiracies about Sandy Hook were already running full steam ahead.
Starting point is 02:16:38 This isn't the basis for a conspiracy theory and honestly the conspiracy theory is flying around or pretty strong arguments for not releasing those people's names. Yep. As you very easily were able to suss out. Now the idea they do talk about in the article the idea that there could be other possible suspects but it's not necessarily even clear if they're talking about other
Starting point is 02:16:55 suspects in the shooting or possibly an investigation into where these guns came from or something like that. The idea of online contacts he could have had you know that suspect doesn't mean suspect in the shooting necessarily as in more suspect of a larger investigation is another entirely sensible interpretation of that article. Yeah there are plenty of times that we've seen where the shooter was the only crime you know they got their guns
Starting point is 02:17:24 legally they got all that stuff legally it was just the one crime occurred but there are also tons of other times where that one crime was the culmination of 15 other crimes that had to happen to get there. Yeah you know. So at this point Alex plays that video of the helicopter footage of the three cops running together that appears to be a chase because one of them is dressed differently than
Starting point is 02:17:48 the other two. I thought he was just going to show the footage from Rocky for where Rocky and Apollo Creed were running on the beach. Oh that's that's in the fourth hour. Okay that's once a Nick bagage takes over plays Rocky in its entirety that would be great. I would watch that. So Alex plays this video and it's it's it's proof for him.
Starting point is 02:18:07 All right. So if you're a TV viewer you can see all this everyone I talk to goes yeah I remember on the news we even got a low res version we're digging through all our archives because we taped it that day we have an HD one where you can totally see the guy black shirt camo he's in the grass you can see it in the footage we just showed the three cops with guns out on him there they're wearing blues they stand out but he blends
Starting point is 02:18:27 into the grass. That's not true they're not they don't have guns on him that's nonsense you can tell from any version of the video that one at least one of them is casually walking around. They don't have guns drawn on this guy at all and we already talked about that what's going on ad nauseam. So but here's the turn. There's something really weird happening and I'm not sure how
Starting point is 02:18:48 I feel about with Sandy Hook. No OK with Alex OK on the one hand I think this is kind of funny but on the other hand it's pretty scary about what the consequences that could come of this could be based on Alex's behavior over the past weeks. I'm pretty convinced that Alex Jones in 2019 is confused about what happened in late 2012 and early 2013. I get the sense that he doesn't remember the arguments he made
Starting point is 02:19:11 back then about Sandy Hook most likely because he just can't get himself to give a shit. Now because he was confronted about making up stuff about SWAT members in the woods in his deposition he feels compelled to go back and confirm to himself that he wasn't just making that up which on its own is a pretty good impulse I think you know it's go check on yourself. So he goes back and he finds the video of the three cops running
Starting point is 02:19:33 in the woods that looks like a chase. He finds this video of a man saying he saw the police walking a guy in camo pants to a squad car. He finds these quote unquote anomalies that led him down that road to begin with. All of these things are examples of pieces of content that were taken out of context and spun into conspiracy. The helicopter footage of the three cops doesn't show an
Starting point is 02:19:53 arrest that was very clearly a misunderstanding. The man in camo pants was not the same person and also has been explained a responsible way for Alex to cover this would be to show these things and explain to his audience how he and so many others had got it wrong. It wouldn't jeopardize his legal case right now at all and it would still achieve his desired result of making the argument that he wasn't making things up.
Starting point is 02:20:15 The deposition was wrong about him. He had something that he was basing these things on. He was just responding to people who they got it wrong. That would be totally fine. It wouldn't be humiliating at all. It would be a sensible way to present this like these people in this New York Times article are lying about me. Now I was wrong about the conclusions that we were led to
Starting point is 02:20:35 but it was based on this this and this. But Alex isn't doing that. Can't do it. No, no, no. No, no, no. I get the sense that he's having his mind blown all over again by these things. I didn't consider that.
Starting point is 02:20:54 I didn't consider that this is just a restarting of the cycle for him. I think it might be. This is just the start of all over again. You can hear him saying that he still thinks that there's a second shooter and that something is up there. I just worry that what's happening is that Alex watched this helicopter video and his response wasn't we got that wrong.
Starting point is 02:21:13 But our intentions were good. It's holy shit. It was. I need to retract my apology from a couple of months ago. Oh my God. I was wrong to stop talking about this. I think because he doesn't care. He's forgotten that these things are all explained already
Starting point is 02:21:30 because there's a there's an energy behind him talking about this helicopter footage. Yeah. There's an energy behind him talking about this DA and the multiple shooters argument. There's a there's an energy behind the drills and attacks confluence argument that he's making that I worried. I don't know if he's going to but I'm worried this is going
Starting point is 02:21:51 to transition into a new much like the P tape is reborn Alex and Sadie hook denial is going to any also found Blumenthal and Murray in there. So Murphy so that means that he's still looking for more evidence that it was a false flag or he's trying to find a new way to do the same stuff present himself as intrepid and brave. Yeah and not cross the line of outright libel.
Starting point is 02:22:20 He is an insane person. Yeah. This is this is dumb. That is a bad idea. But it's it's really weird because when I heard when I heard him first say like much earlier in the episode that like I found all the stuff that that proves that I wasn't lying and so I was like you're never going to play that shit and then
Starting point is 02:22:37 he plays it and I'm like wow you're not explaining why you were wrong about this man you're playing this stuff and it seems to be reinforcing an argument that you were not only right to question things but there's a cover up that there's still something going on. Yeah. And in fact you might start saying that Sandy Hook parents see when you is the crisis actor.
Starting point is 02:22:58 Well I think he I don't I don't think that would be wise. I think it would be wise. But he is already implying that the lawsuits are an attack on him probably from Blumenthal and Murphy who were involved in this cover up of the second shooter at Sandy Hook. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm worried that that's where this is going to go.
Starting point is 02:23:15 I don't look forward to talking and then Barnes. I see him on his bed just throwing $100 bills in the air lighting lighting a cigar with a burning one. Benjamin like this is insane total mess. Oh my God. What an idiot. So Alex starts taking calls and he wants to take calls on the Mueller report and he's not getting a lot of real good
Starting point is 02:23:35 stuff. Just came out none of it. It's tough for him. It's tough for his listeners. I'm not saying they they read as poorly as Alex. I was gonna say at all. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and to say that they could read maybe if possible.
Starting point is 02:23:50 Well we got one caller at least who was who had read some. Oh yeah. Well that's nice. He was talking about like you know I know that you know you know that Trump is maligned here and what have you but like you you're being delusional if you're looking at this report and you're not imagining Obama's name in there instead of Trump yeah how fucking furious everyone on your side would
Starting point is 02:24:11 be and Alex just can't handle that. So he's like well you know it's all you know you just it's not obstruction. He just did these things because he's mad because of people calling them names got to go that that I'm so angry at how effective that that line has become of just him. Well look it wasn't obstruction. He was just mad.
Starting point is 02:24:29 Yeah and people are repeating that like that's an OK thing. Well the caller wasn't repeating that. No no exactly Alex. I'm he I'm seeing a lot of people with bar I haven't like with bar being like hey look what we need to know in advance is that yes maybe he obstructed justice but it was out of frustration. Yeah he was angry.
Starting point is 02:24:49 He was he was having a tantrum. Yeah he was mad. Everybody knows that it's legal to commit crimes when you're angry and frustrated with people. He should have just had a snickers exactly. He was hungry. He was angry. Come on.
Starting point is 02:25:01 So Alex doesn't have much time for that guy. Who's price. So he doesn't he doesn't hang up on him as quickly as I thought he would but it was a very short call. He gets another call and this one he is way more into and this lady is nuts. Democrats are the demon party. I renamed them the demon party because President Trump
Starting point is 02:25:23 I'll say that I have no bottom now. I mean I used to be 50 50 and 20 years ago. I wasn't a Republican or Democrat. Some stuff Democrats did was good but I mean the Democrats now have converted to pure evil. I mean it's just true. Well you know Alex God knows what they're doing. There's a retired firefighter that I watch on YouTube is
Starting point is 02:25:42 he's from Florida. His name is a man Mark Taylor if you never heard of him look I've heard of him really good guy. We want to get him on. Oh interesting response. You know who Mark Taylor. I do not know who Mark Taylor. Well now you know I don't follow along with a lot of retired
Starting point is 02:25:57 firefighters YouTube channels. Mark Taylor is a complete lunatic and he's a frequent cast on the Jim Baker show sounds right. He's probably most notable for releasing a movie called the Trump prophecy in 2018. The movie was based on a book he wrote about how God told him back in 2011 that Trump was going to become president and that his election was ordained by God.
Starting point is 02:26:19 Interestingly this book came out on August 23rd 2017 and I can find no evidence he ever shared this prophecy with the world until after it had come true which is not suspicious at all. Well you don't want to share prophecies with people it's like your birthday wish you know if you tell people the prophecy then it won't come true. That's just that's everybody knows that.
Starting point is 02:26:35 Taylor claims his prophecy that Trump would become president was confirmed to him when he heard a train horn during Antonin Scalia's funeral. Quote quote if you go back to Antonin Scalia's funeral when they were carrying his body up the steps there were two signs that were given by God that the confirmation of Merrick Garland was not going to happen. The two signs that were given there was a there was a reverence
Starting point is 02:26:57 there was very quiet and there was a there's a siren in the background at the bottom of the steps. Well when they got to the top of the steps the siren fades away and all of a sudden you hear this enormous train horn and what the Lord was saying was don't fear America help is on the way the siren this being reserved from my anointed Trump from the Trump train. Wow.
Starting point is 02:27:18 That's crazy crazy. Yeah. That is crazy. That's nuts. You know if you obtained enlightenment when a crow dropped a pebble into the lake. Same thing. Not the same thing.
Starting point is 02:27:33 His YouTube channel. The Mark Taylor's YouTube channel that this lady apparently watches is only five months old and appears to be mostly about QAnon which is great. He's legitimately a completely insane QAnon guy. Just last month he released this prophecy quote the Lord's been telling me that there's another one coming another Trump coming. I had a dream this morning and in the dream I saw Donald Trump
Starting point is 02:27:55 Junior. It was just a really quick snippet of it but I knew there was an emphasis on Junior and then I thought hmm JFK Junior. I knew it had something to do with JFK Junior and he goes on to say Donald Trump Junior and JFK Junior are going to run together. That cannot be true. Big problem is the JFK Junior died in 1999 but that's not a
Starting point is 02:28:15 problem for the Q crowd because they believe he faked his death and is possibly Q another big problem for the DJ T situation going on here is that even in Mueller's report Donald Trump Junior is not investigated and indicted simply because he's probably too dumb to have committed the crime. Yeah, that's a good banner. That's a good badge to wear. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:28:38 That's that's what Marine Le Pen being legally a fascist. You know, it's like according to the reverse of that you are too stupid to commit crimes. Yeah, an article on Christian Broadcasting Network's website about the Trump prophecy includes a quote from Rick Eldridge, the producer of the movie quote. We have such a divided nation right now. So I hope this film can be a way to maybe point towards healing.
Starting point is 02:29:02 Personally, I would suggest that making a movie about how an unpopular leader is actually an office because of the will of God and the people who are against him are enemies of God would be the last thing you'd want to do if you're interested in healing. That's something you might do if you're interested in installing a theocracy which is totally what people like Mark Taylor and Jim Baker actively argue for which is healing.
Starting point is 02:29:24 Well, it is. Well, once everybody else once everybody who has been hurt is dead then technically you have been healed. Well, insanely Jordan. Yes. The Trump prophecy had a budget of $2 million. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:29:37 What? $2 million budget. What? How? How? I don't know where it's all on the screen. What? I'd like now for you to try and guess how much money it made
Starting point is 02:29:46 in theaters. Well, are we are we talking gross or net? I don't know. Because I'm if we're going to go with net, I'm going to say negative $2 million. No. Well, it made $670,000. That's way more than it should have.
Starting point is 02:30:04 Well, but Christian movies have like they have an elevated bottom. Yeah. Of how much that all those Carmen the champion movies and stuff like that. Just because they're so desperate. Well, and well, and there will be like buses of you know, church groups that will go and see right movies.
Starting point is 02:30:18 There's a built in captive audience. Well, I think captive is a good way of putting it. Yeah, there's just a guaranteed amount of money you're going to make $670,000 seems high. Yeah. For a low rent shit pile like this, but you know, you got an audience. We could make a movie for like 15 grand at most and make
Starting point is 02:30:39 $670,000. No, we couldn't. Yes, we could. Because I'm not doing it. So also in September 2018, Mark Taylor appeared on another internet show that doesn't merit naming and he said quote, I do think that they're going to declare martial law at some point.
Starting point is 02:30:53 I view martial law as a great thing under this administration. Oh my God. They were intending on using martial law to round people up and put them in these concentration camps. Stop it. That was their whole plan all along. But now we're going to use it. It's now to round them up.
Starting point is 02:31:10 I am so excited that people like him exist. And they're the same as Alex. God damn. They appear to be different because he calls himself a profit. Yeah. But what does he do with this supposed prophecy? Same thing.
Starting point is 02:31:22 Argue that Trump is the leader that will lead us out of the desert. You know, all that sort of shit. What are his political beliefs? Well, this global world government that's demonic is going to put us in FEMA camps to install their power. But now that's actually really good because we can do it to them.
Starting point is 02:31:41 Yeah. They walk similar paths. That one's a little too on the nose. They walk similar paths. Yeah. You're absolutely right. So now here's the last clip where Alex. I mean, I felt like Alex saying, yeah, I like Mark Taylor.
Starting point is 02:31:57 He's a good guy or whatever. I thought that was him just being dismissive to this caller. Yeah. Because he usually is kind of. Yeah. We're trying to, we're going to get him on. We're going to get him on. Get out of here.
Starting point is 02:32:05 You don't recommend other people to me. This is my show. What's the point of fighting? Right. But then Alex said this and I'm like, well, maybe Alex does fucking like this weird fake Christian prophet. I pledge this and I prophesy this before humanity is destroyed. Jack Dorsey will be destroyed.
Starting point is 02:32:21 I think Jack Dorsey should get struck by God's thunderbolt like Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus. And I think you're going to see a lot of conversions like that very soon. Anything else? Alex is making a prophecy. Oh boy. That there's going to be a road to Damascus moment for Jack
Starting point is 02:32:38 of Twitter. Yeah. She didn't say profit. She didn't say he was a prophet. Did she? No, I don't think so. So he just made that jump to prophecy on his own or he knows who Mark Taylor is and knows that Mark Taylor is in the
Starting point is 02:32:51 prophecy game. So he's jumping in on that prophecy game. I mean, that's a possibility. I mean, she was talking a lot about demons and stuff like that. It might have got him in a religious mood. I'm not entirely sure. But either way, it doesn't really matter. It just illustrates these fucking worlds are so connected.
Starting point is 02:33:05 So fucked up. Why? I hate being gaslit like this so hard. Like the idea of Alex saying that the Democrats have no bottom now is just like, fuck you. I can't. Our bottom is so weak. It's weak.
Starting point is 02:33:24 Will be the president committed all the crimes and the Democratic leadership is like, whoa, whoa, hold on now, guys. Let's let him run rough shot over the country for the next 18 months and then we'll do something. You're missing the forest. You're missing the forest for the tree. Hate it. You're missing the forest for the trees.
Starting point is 02:33:40 Sure. Sure. There's not going to be any consequences for Trump's behavior. But the Democrats and the globalists are still, they still have a ton of power because Alex isn't on Facebook. That's true. So you're right. They have no bottom.
Starting point is 02:33:52 Yeah. You're right. If you, if you don't allow Alex, what won't you do? If you take Alex off of Facebook, then the sky is the limit, dad. Absolutely. And no one will respect the political aspirations of Sargon of Akkad.
Starting point is 02:34:07 Well, someday they will. People keep pointing. Mark Taylor told me in the prophecy. These globalists are so against, oh, God. So anyway, we come to the end of this and, you know, there's a lot, there's a lot going on here. But one thing that I find really interesting is almost a lack of coverage.
Starting point is 02:34:27 Yeah. Of these big news stories from last week. You know, Notre Dame burning, you know, it didn't burn down. Right. And that spire was built in the 19th century. Like, that doesn't mean it's any less tragic. Right. But it wasn't from, you know, the 1100s that spire.
Starting point is 02:34:42 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like I'm minimizing it and I don't mean to. But like, that is big news, that fire. Well, we still have Assassin's Creed Unity. So if you want to enjoy the Notre Dame, then feel free to play the game. It's all there for you. So then also you have, you know, the Mueller report coming
Starting point is 02:34:58 out is big news and Alex's response to neither of them is great. Yeah. Or or interesting really at all. All you see in the aftermath of Notre Dame is Alex trying to make everything about Muslims and all you have in the aftermath of Mueller is a very predictable. This is a cover up for what Hillary Clinton was doing.
Starting point is 02:35:20 Yeah. Which he didn't need that report to say. He said that all along. It doesn't fucking matter. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. I'm most excited about the prospect that he's going back to Sandy Hook.
Starting point is 02:35:31 Actually, I'm not because it, it's not, you can't enjoy it. No, it hurts people. Yeah. It, like I said, if it were a sketch, it would be fucking hilarious. If there weren't consequences for people's lives, it would be very, very funny that this stupid asshole forgot the conspiracies that he was telling and then went back.
Starting point is 02:35:48 You're like, got very re excited about the conspiracy. Oh, man. I was right this whole time. That's I was, I was letting people tell me that I was lying about it. But now I've gone back and looked at it and you know what? I'm doubling down. Here's what we should do.
Starting point is 02:36:04 Go to the Sandy Hook victims houses. God damn it, man. It's funny on paper. Yeah. It's not funny in real life now. And now I've walked myself for full circle into not being excited about anything. This is all trash.
Starting point is 02:36:18 Um, you know what's interesting? There's a very real parallel to Notre Dame burning down, but they're being a perfect digital recreation of it inside of a video game. Isn't that anything? Isn't that exactly like you dying? What Facebook wants to do to you, but your substance being drawn up into the cloud.
Starting point is 02:36:36 Is there much difference? Food for thought. Everyone. I suppose food for eyes. Be found on our website. Knowledge. Nicely done. Um, will there be a link up there to our, uh, our store where
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Starting point is 02:37:04 We are fight.com. And I'm at go to bed Jordan. Yep. We're on a Facebook. That's correct. We're also on iTunes. We are on iTunes. You can download rate, leave a review, et cetera.
Starting point is 02:37:14 Absolutely. Um, so I guess we come to the end of this here and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm looking over this. Hey, what do you know? But Alex's Bernie impressions never killed anybody. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. I know it's annoying, but I don't think it's killed anybody.
Starting point is 02:37:32 But you know what? The man who does that impression technically probably has. Yeah. Alex Jones technically probably killed a guy. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller.
Starting point is 02:37:43 I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.

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