Knowledge Fight - #289: January 10-13, 2013

Episode Date: April 26, 2019

Alex Jones has been out of studio bullhorning in Washington DC to try to get back on Twitter, so Dan and Jordan stay in the past for today's episode to look more into Alex's path downward after Sandy Hook. This installment largely covers a period where Alex cannot stop talking about being on Piers Morgan's show, but thankfully, there's a couple other topics that come up that are worth covering.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Yeah. Dan? Jordan. Did you have a childhood nemesis? Huh. Like an arch enemy? It's interesting. Not really in childhood, because I moved around a lot.

Like growing up, in elementary school, we moved, you know, from like Boston and Cambridge, and then to Hawaii, and then Missouri. So there was a lot of like shifting schools. I didn't have a lot of time to develop the nemesis. To really get into that good nemesis territory, where it's like you're pushing each other, and you hate each other, and all that stuff.

Yeah. And then once I got into high school, I was kind of depressed, and I thought everyone was my nemesis. So it was tough to make it specific enough. It was just, I felt like the world was against me. The male versus world is our conflict here. Yeah, exactly.

But then, in college, I did discover nemesis as being a really productive strategy. In order to motivate myself to do better in classes, I would often choose someone to hate. Almost at random. Well, they'd have to do something. One guy in one of my classes was wearing an OAR tour shirt. That is enough.

That is enough. Put them on the list. Put them on the list. And so what I would do is I'd never talk to these people. And then I would decide that I needed to crush them. Okay. So I would do well in the class to do better than them. Right.

It was kind of a fun game you could play. The only time that I was ever had anything confirmed for me was there was a guy who was in one of my philosophy classes who was just a real annoying douche. Yeah. The kind of guy in an early entry-level philosophy class who asks all these stupid questions, and the professor gets annoyed with them.

Everybody gets annoyed with them. So he was my nemesis. I was that guy. Sure. He was my nemesis in that class. And I just like, I just, I hated him for his behavior in the philosophy class. And one day I was at the rec center

as doing some exercising. Because I was a little bit into working out in college. A little bit. Okay. Not all right. Much. But a little bit. You're giving us a lot of background information.

I like. So I'm there and I'm like, I don't remember what I'm doing. I think I was probably on a bike or something like that. And I hear just like, Ah. Like someone really really like a monster underneath somebody's house. It was it?

Was it it the clown Dan? Well, no, it was it's the sort of that you, you hear people breathing really hard when they're lifting and stuff like that because it's healthy. You're supposed to breathe. But this guy was just like, and I looked over and it's that guy from my philosophy class and he has like one bar of weight.

It's no weight at all. He's just overdoing it for attention. I was like, Oh, it's so right. Not just in a philosophy class. This guy's annoying everywhere. So he was my, he's the only nemesis I can really specifically remember cause all the other ones kind of like my animosity with them left once I left the class.

Yeah. They, they, they were there. They were my nemesis for a purpose. That's it. They weren't persistent situations. No, no. Anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones who is now my nemesis.

That is, that is absolutely. Unrequited nemesis. I want to go with arch enemy in this, in this situation. I don't care enough about him personally. And I only know what you tell me. Yeah. That's the fun of the show. So Jordan, today we got an interesting situation to go over

and that is that Alex has been out of the studio bullhorning Washington, DC to drank it himself back on Twitter. Yes, that sounds right. So he's been out of the studio and we have like, Oh, and Troy are filling in through the last couple of days. And so we're not talking about that garbage, but he Alex was in studio on Monday. And I was thinking about like, yeah, we can cover that.

And I just started listening to it in about halfway through. All he was doing was gloating about the idea that a Muslim group did commit the act and that's exactly what I thought it would be. And we'd already kind of talked about that event on our on our last or on our Monday episode. And so I kind of felt like I don't even want to do this. I, you know, as I'm preparing this, it was also on my birthday.

You know, it's like, I'm like, I'm sitting through another one of this shit. I just can't do it. God, that's torture. And then beyond that, I also have a wacky Wednesday thing that I've been working on. But yeah, I need a little more time on that. So we are back in the past again today.

We're back in 2013. We're going over January 10th to 13th of 2013 and it's there's some, there's some stuff in here. Are we talking Monday through Thursday? No, this is Thursday through Sunday. Oh, Thursday, Friday, Sunday. All right. All right.

So let's, let's hear some hot takes. I assume it's all sandy all day. You might be wrong about that, but we'll find out. Are we getting some alleys? What's are we getting any some alleys today? No, no, nothing that out of left field. We'll see what we get in earnest though. But before we do got to give a shout out to some people who

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It's going to be as it's supposed to be. Oh, no, it's just going to say actual life's very fragile. Yeah. I debated the right, but I felt I felt the actual words are a better way to go about it in terms of a tattoo in terms of it. That's probably a smart move. Now, maybe I'll get the misspelling tattooed on myself somewhere else. Maybe we'll do that at a later date and time.

Yeah. So Jordan, this, this stretch of time is a little bit of a slog. January 10th through 13th. There's a little bit of a walking through molasses. I'm not going to lie to you. Yeah. There's some fun along the way, but there's a, there is a lot of talking about Pierce Morgan.

Okay. His show is almost entirely become about how he went to CNN. That's almost all he's talking about. How can you talk about that for four hours? There's very little other content, quite honestly, except screaming about guns. Okay. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I kind of got to a point where I was like almost just looking for

out of context drops. Yeah. Because I was getting so bored. The whole thing. So here's some that we can enjoy. We got a rapid fire out of context drop situation. Well, not rapid fire, but we can, we can let these breathe and enjoy them a little bit. There's the first one.

I've entered complete creepville. Yep. You certainly have. Speaking of creepville, you know who lives there? I'm a little bit proud of the fact on, I know Gary Busey really well. Okay. Bragging about knowing Gary Busey. This comes on the tales of him having man cow on.

I don't want any context for that. That was a one, two punch, two perfection. This is not, that's not giving it context. It's not like he has man cow on and then he brags about knowing Gary Busey. Right. It's just apropos of nothing. He also had man cow on and they talked for like half an hour about a fucking William Shatner being a great guy.

Oh, I don't know why I mean, I guess that sounds nice. Man cow is good friends with William Shatner and he's apparently a living embodiment of how you just got to keep moving forward. That's why are we doing this? Are we getting the Zen of Shatner? Is that what's going on? I don't know. They did not bring up his wife either.

Oh, surprise. Yeah. It was absent in their coverage. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. So here's the last out of context drop that we got. Believe me, I want nothing more than to not be here and to not have to do this. Me too.

Yeah. Me too, Alex. Yeah. I want nothing more than that either. You should follow your heart and quit. So let's jump in here on January 10th. Yeah. On our last 2013 episode, we heard Alex's bragging and fictionalized

versions of going to talk to Pierce Morgan. There was shit on the walls. Shit on the walls there. I mean, the whole studio is just it's bedlam. And then also he got harassed by cops and chased to the airport and Newark or whatever. 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,600 Yeah.

All that sort of stuff. Now, he presents a slightly elevated version of that here on the 10th. You can see little kernels of how the narrative is starting to evolve. Are we getting another fish gets bigger story? A little bit. Yeah, because he introduces in this next clip a piece to the story that has absolutely been absent. Three globalists in a hot tub.

It might as well be. And you know, I'll say this on air. I probably in hindsight, I watched Larry Pratt last night destroy Pierce Morgan and at the end he said, you're not my friend to him because he knew he'd been beaten. I wish I could do that more and sometimes I've gone on shows and been very calm. But when you're got a chest cold, when you're angry, when you've just been messed with on the street, a detective after detective or whatever they were popping out of the dark and you see all this, all the just the disgustingness

of it, you get angry. So here is what's different about this on the tap. He had been talking a little bit about how he had some allergies and stuff like that before. So that's not like that much of a new introduction. Although him using it as an excuse for why he yelled at Pierce Morgan. That was the one that's a little different. That bounced me up a little bit.

Now, the more important thing that's different is he's now talking about the police harassing him before the interview. Right. It set him off. Right. It set him off. That was never. How can he give a good performance whenever, and I quote,

police or whatever are popping out of the dark. Out of the dark. Out of the dark. Do they record? Don't they record? Pierce Morgan is there in the day. Before this, Alex had only been talking about the police harassing him after the fact, trying to walk him out into an alley where apparently there's

an ambush and there's another cop in the dark. Right. And then they were at his hotel when he came back or something like that. The reason that he's bringing up the, they were harassing him before, which he had not said, but previous to this is because Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network, one of Alex's weirdo dumb, dumb friends who now has Dave Dobbin Meyer on his show a bunch coach Dave. He's a great guy.

He, this guy is a fucking idiot. Yeah. Doug Hagman, but he, Hagman was on earlier in the show and he was talking about how from a DHS source of his, they were following and messing with Alex the whole time and it was all a plan to get him to a Starbucks where a lady was going to cost him and then they could take him down. All right, that sounds fun. So Doug Hagman has shown up with this new quote unquote privileged information

and Alex has incorporated that into his own telling of his experience. Yeah, of course. In order to match Larry Hagman's fake intelligence, Alex's individual experience of the past has now changed. Wow. This is a mark of bullshit. That is, that is spectacular. Yeah.

So that takes up a bit of the show. Doug Hagman being boring as shit and telling Alex that he has secret sources that he was planning. There was a planned takedown or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. But then Alex has Gerald Salenty on and you get, we has to break through, break it, break out of the interview with Gerald Salenty because there's big news.

We've got breaking news Gerald and this continues. There's a lot of evidence this could be provocative shooting outside Bakersfield, California, where we have a 50,000 watt affiliate. California school shooting to reportedly shot at Taft Union High School near Bakersfield at least two people were shot. That's how Sandy Hook started was to that Taft Union High School in Kent County, California this morning as the suspected shooter has been taken into custody according to local media reports.

Let's predict God. Nobody dies. Let's predict God. It's time to arm these schools now folks. It's they're advertising the middle ABC News in Bakersfield to the incident happened at 9 a.m. That's just minutes ago of their time. This is incredible.

Gerald Salenty. What's your take on that? Well, my take again is one of the other issues that you keep talking about. What kind of psychotropic drugs are these people on? What kind of society, the cruel nature of society, a culture of cruelty that we had, who are these people that are committing the crimes? Gerald, you're doing great. I just want to let you know.

I'll answer you when you brought it up that each one of these, there's records of them showing how many people on psychotropic drugs are killing this and yeah, at least his voice is interesting as compared to a lot of these other fucking dumb, dumb guests. So you can see here, there's a shooting at Bakersfield at Taft High School in Bakersfield, California. And Alex is breaking the news and he immediately, him and Gerald are talking about how that their people are on drugs.

Yeah, he's interrupting this pretty pointless interview that he's having with Gerald Salenty. It's mostly just stuff about how there's going to be a plan financial collapse, standard Gerald Salenty business. So he's breaking in with his news of the school shooting. What happened was a student at Taft High School brought a shotgun to school and wounded two people before being talked into putting his gun down and surrendering to the police.

He would go on to claim that he didn't remember anything from the point where he was at his house until right after the first shot was actually fired. But prosecutors introduced some pretty compelling evidence that this could not be the case. For instance, after surrendering to the police, he told them the correct number of shells that were in his gun, but he would later claim that he had no memory of loading it. Things like that are pretty good reason to have a little bit of a

suspicion and skepticism about the, I don't remember anything. Yeah, yeah. No, call bullshit. I don't know. I don't know. I'm inclined to call bullshit if only also because he posted like he'd written the shooter had written like a short story that involved getting back at bullies through violence like a couple of years prior, maybe a year

prior and the day before the shooting, he posted it online. So there's some indications that there might have been premeditation and the idea of like, I don't remember anything that happened. Yeah. A little bit, a little bit dubious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alex and Gerald will use this as an opportunity to so doubt about all mass shootings, but they're particularly interested in doing is

suggesting with literally no evidence or even any information about the shooter that he was on psychiatric medication, which caused him to carry out the shooting. I was trying to figure out if this was the case and my research led me to Dr. Peter Langman is a psychologist and an expert on school shootings. Langman wrote a paper regarding the arguments flying around that school shooters are all on psych beds and I'll just read you the opening paragraph.

Quote, there are numerous websites devoted to the belief that psychiatric medications have caused school shootings and other acts of mass violence. I've seen claims that virtually all rampage shooters were on or had recently been on psychiatric medications based on my research. These claims are not accurate of the cases. Langman research, 73% of the secondary school shooters like high school shooters that he looked at were not on psych meds, nor had they ever been. The shooter at Taft High School is one of that 73%.

He was not on psych meds and he had not ever been. The reality is that a pretty sizable majority of school shooters are not on psychotropic medication at all. And even if the statistics were flipped, it wouldn't prove causation because here's the thing, Jordan, during the same time period when the number of people on drugs like Prozac went through the roof, violent crime rates dropped. If the these are murder pills argument held any water, then we'd be

seeing severely spiking violent crime rates from the 1980s to the current day and that just doesn't match up with reality as it is. So a lot of this is bullshit. Yeah. That's all, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, what a, what a, it's, it's, it's almost like I don't even want to respond to what is an obviously bad faith argument from them.

If it's coming, if that's your immediate reaction to the news of another school shooting, your reaction is not like, oh shit. It's, we got to get people off psychiatric drugs. That's sleight of hand. That's like, I'm changing the issue. Well, yeah, I guess it is in that sense. What it is, is an attempt to claim the space early in case it is accurate. And then it builds up your narrative that all these things are fake or

they're patsy through people who are on these psych meds and shit like that. And then when it's not true, like in this case, you can pretend that it is and hope people don't look into it, or you can just ignore the fact that you said that that was what's going to be the case. That is what he does. I mean, it's just, no matter what he ends up being able to reinforce his narrative without any consequences. And it's kind of lame.

So, you know, he breaks that news and he doesn't talk about it too much because Gerald Slenty is there. And I mean, even as you responded to, Slenty is pretty fun. And so the two of them just get back to talking and then Alex says this and I found it upsetting. Cruelty to animals. People are into that now. That's like chic.

That made me very upset. I'm sorry, what? Context wouldn't help that. So he means apropos of almost nothing. He means that it has become a fad for people to hurt animals in a cruel manner, which I was alive in 2013. I remember, I don't think it was ever chic. Yeah.

I don't recall like a backstreet boys like Ferver building up around the new hip thing cruelty to animals. No. And it wasn't even, it wasn't even like a real spike in cruelty to animals happened. It would at least be a local news story where they're like, are your kids being cruel to animals? We'll tell you after the break.

Right. You know, I'm trying to think if there's even like a Michael Vick connection or something like that. But he, Michael Vick got in trouble in 2007 and he got out of prison in 2009. So that timeline doesn't match up. No. I can't, I don't know what this is about, but I think it's further evidence that Alex Jones may have allegedly killed some dogs because

he's, he's trying to justify it by saying, well, everybody's doing all the cool kids are doing their dogs. It's so trendy now. So Alex and Gerald have a bit more of a conversation and then Alex comes back from break and there's more news about the Bakersfield shooting and here we go. I, I have the news here. Bakersfield now.com Bakersfield school officials take part in shooting

survival training. This is January 9th. They just had a drill at the school. Now, whether that copycats did the shooting now there or whether that chooses a cover, we know in Northwood's other documents, they use, they use drills as the cover for the real shooters. And I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen, they're so confident. They're, I believe they're, they're staging and provocaturing these and

you're going to see a bunch more shootings. That's why they're so confident. So, uh, yeah, quick question. Yeah. Uh, let's just establish fact. Did they have a drill on the eighth? Not really. Okay.

Um, that's kind of what I was expecting. Yeah. Before I even engage with what it is that he's trying to say, I just want to know whether or not he's even lying about. Well, he's, he's misrepresenting something, but also I know from looking into this that he's going to, this is not going to stop here. This is going to get worse. This narrative.

Yeah. I'm certain of why wouldn't it? Right. So one of the cornerstones of rationalizing and reinforcing the no one died at Sandy Hook narrative and the tragedy, tragedy, denialist narrative about other events more generally is the idea that there's always drills overlapping with these events. It's very consistent throughout, um, conspiracy, uh, sort of just, uh, the

cannon. Yeah. Of conspiracy. 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,100 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alex talks.

It's a trope. Yeah. Alex talks about it all the fucking time and I'm certain, uh, that it would be pretty easy to put together an approximately two week long super cut of him saying they were running a drill because he says it all the goddamn time. The idea goes like this. The nefarious globalists want to pull off this fake shooting in order to sway public opinion against the noble gun loving Patriots, but it's difficult to

get all the pieces in place stealthily. Thus they conduct drills that mirror the event they plan to stage, which then quote goes live, which can mean that it turns into a real shooting or it could mean that it turns into a fake shooting depending on what day you ask Alex. That's largely the way that this narrative is used. Right. I don't understand how having a drill like two days beforehand. That is a problem.

So that's one problem. Is that like a, is that like a, a, a like a dry run of the way that the circumstances are supposed to go? Alex might make that argument. Is it like soft opening like a dress rehearsal? I think he might, uh, he might make that argument. Yeah. He doesn't specify.

So I don't know exactly where his head's at in terms of this. It's just something that's like, oh, here's something I can use. Yeah. So if you're thinking of the idea just generally sounds stupid, it is. Yeah, but it works because it relies on exploiting one of the great shortcomings of the human mind are innate susceptibility to ascribing meaning to coincidences. For instance, there was a shooting drill at a city about 20 miles away from

Newtown on the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook. That's a pretty wild coincidence, but it becomes more than a coincidence when it's used as a piece of a consistent pattern. And that's why it's important to apply it to all and any situation that comes up because on its own coincidence. If it's part of every single event, then it's suspicious and then you hijack people's mind with that sort of thinking. This is why Alex is super quick to say that this Bakersfield shooting

shooters on psych meds, which he wasn't before knowing any of the fact of the case, regardless of what the reality is, his constant reinforcement of the idea that they're all on psych meds is all the audience actually hears and that becomes what they believe is reality. The success of the narrative doesn't depend on fact only on the appearance of a pattern built on the exploitation of coincidence, combined with just outright malicious distortions. The latter is what's happening with the Bakersfield had a drill

version of reporting. Alex reporting is quote unquote reporting here on this episode is based on a blurb out of the Bakersfield now website. The story doesn't say that they had a drill at the school. It actually literally says that the training took place at a dorm at San Diego State University. Quote a two day seminar concluded Tuesday with the simulated gunman stocking a dormitory at San Diego State University about two

dozen participants from school districts and universities in San Diego County Los Angeles and Bakersfield participated. They practiced barricading doors hiding escaping and confronting the gunman. Some might argue that a school district not providing this kind of training in the aftermath of Sandy Hook might be them being negligent, which is where squarely where I fall on this part of the argument.

The narrative that there was a drill at the school would be reinforced by a January 11th article posted on Fox News, which became the subject of rampant inappropriate editorializing that article had the headline quote California school practiced new lockdown drill minutes before shooting, which is barely discussed in the body of the actual article. That is a very misleading head headline. The only mention of this is found in the second paragraph of

the article quote 10 minutes. Sorry, just 10 minutes before it happened, our teachers were giving us protocol because of what happened in Connecticut. Oscar Nuno, a student at Taft High School said. It's probably super unfair to call that proof that the school had a drill. However, that didn't stop online conspiracy theorists from using that quote to justify their contention that there was

a drill at Taft High School that overlapped with this shooting and thus it's completely fishy in a twist that should surprise no one. One of the most visible names pushing this theory was Shepherd Ambellis, a relatively obscure internet weirdo who would go on to become an Info Wars employee whose most notable contribution seems to be him successfully convincing Alex that there were helicopters firing on civilians at the

Las Vegas shooting last year. Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh, boy. Isn't it interesting years before he came into the Info Wars fold, he was still helping it out, helping out the world. That's remarkable consistency. Yeah.

I mean, that's that's a little bit of story of a rags to riches kind of situation. Here he is ratio out here's some anonymous blogger finally breaking through to the worst stream. Yeah, that sounds right. Yep. But that article comes out a day after the episode we're listening to now, but I have zero faith that Alex won't find

that article and then go from there once it's out. Which was the entire point of the article in the first place for everybody to see that headline and run with it and that's Alex and that's the entire point of Alex on the 10th reporting that there was a drill at the school and the article actually said that there was shooter training at San Diego State University. Yeah.

Now there's nothing suspicious here. There's no evidence of any drill and from the student's description, it could very well have just been teachers telling students what they should do in an emergency, which makes sense. This was the first week of January when students were coming back from their holiday break right before which there was a terrible school shooting.

All of this makes complete sense and exactly what would happen in a normal rational reasonable situation. Absolutely. You know, I what's fun. I didn't I didn't really make this connection when we talked about propaganda laundering being, you know, that's crazy blog out there then gets amplified with you know, more and more legitimate outlets.

It also works both ways like Fox News publishing that headline knowing full well that it's bullshit means that crazier outlets can make more out of that and then it gets crazy with the credibility of Fox News and then it comes right back up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there is something to that. I think Fox News is probably on the capricious side of

appropriate chaotic evil. Well, I mean like what you have that I think that it's wrong to make that the headline of the story considering that most of the article isn't about that. Yeah. I think that it's that's irresponsible, but at the same time there is this quote from this student which they could twist into being like, you know, there was a they practice new

lockdown drill minutes before shooting. Yeah. You know, like it's it's bad. They're not as evil as Alex unless it is with the cognizance that people like Alex will take that headline and run with it. Yeah. And if that if that is and that's fucking evil as hell.

It does seem like there's just seems like bad journalism if you look at it in a vacuum. Right. But just as we talked about coincidence, you know, one time being a coincidence, but a concerted pattern points to smoke fire. Can't prove nothing. Yeah.

Can't prove nothing. It just doesn't look good, but it doesn't look good. But you know what does also not look good. Gerald Salenty's ideas when you write them down on paper. Oh boy, here we go. So Gerald Salenty says something that I think is very interesting in this next clip because it's in many ways. What is it with all this cruelty to animal happening?

It's a fan. Nope. He is a trends researcher. Right. He knows there's a trend towards animal cruelty, but it's not about that. It's this is something that Alex definitely believes in, but Salenty is coming in and giving a much more extreme

version of it, which I think is interesting. What I would like to see as part of the next revolution is succession. I don't want a gang of 535 telling 315 million people what to do. I don't want a guy like Biden or Boner. I don't want a person like Reed or McConnell. I don't want these losers who have created nothing but misery

and hardship for all of us except their friends to keep destroying the nation. I wonder if he still supports the session. Yeah. I wonder if that stopped like a couple of years back. Do you think so? I wonder why I wonder why would it happen? Seems strange.

Also, doesn't he live in New York? I don't. Yeah, probably. I mean, based on his voice, I assume like it wouldn't it that is a pretty New York voice. All States. All States? Yes.

Well, then we then he just wants the dissolution of the union entirely. I believe so. Yeah. Oh, I mean, that'd be interesting. Alex's version of it is he doesn't want succession. He wants to dissolve the federal government and then reconstitute it right because the federal government has

become invaded by the definitely not Zionist occupied no globalist globalist. Hold on. How dare you? Nobody. Nobody. Look at that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, very

dissimilar things. So he believes that the federal government is entrenched in that so the States have the authority because the government is corrupt to dissolve the federal government and then bring it back together. But as we've discussed before, that would never work. That would be impossible. That would be absurd.

What that would do is create a ton of different countries. I think that would also... A ton of different countries that are all unsustainable. That would create the end of the world as we know it. Like, that would destroy everything. Oh, yeah, especially if you consider the geopolitical balance. Yeah, imagine Wisconsin having to negotiate trade deals with

the fucking United Kingdom. It'd be tough. That would be a little bit harder than you might imagine. Yeah, yeah. So in this next clip, Alex gets a call from a guy and he's complaining about Glenn Beck a little bit. But in doing so, he sort of gives a good snapshot of what Alex and his listeners think constitutes as research.

Chris, what's your take on all this? And I think that this is all something that you predicted from the beginning. I'm a one-year listener, first-time caller, and that piece of garbage Glenn Beck is always preaching about doing your homework and doing your research. And last night, I did my research and went on YouTube. Now, you've been talking about this.

You should stop right there. I mean, you called 9-11 on the spot. So yeah, the research equals I watched some YouTube videos. Yeah, that's really troublesome. But that's how this really stupid and very transparent sort of presentation is allowed to continue. Yeah. Like, Alex couldn't continue if his listeners subscribed to

more rigorous methods of fact-checking. Yeah, that would be trouble. Well, it would be. I don't like living in a world where you can say, I did my research. I went to YouTube. And then also have someone like Alex who fancies himself an intellectual, not bad at eyelashes.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. That is what you should be doing. Fantastic. You have covered all your faces, checked off. Stupid. Are you going to go with citing your source, MLA style? Like, what kind of-

I watched a 6-hour video that was posted by Demon Slayer 69. And I got to say, how do I put that in MLA? You are not going to get a degree, friend. It's going to fail. So most of the show is just Alex talking about Piers Morgan. And I could have included a bunch more clips of that. But it's all stuff we listened to in the last episode. So I felt it would be sort of redundant.

But this episode ends with Alex going to retransmission, which is what he does. If you don't know what I mean, his show will air. And then on the GCN streams, it'll just restart whenever his show ends. So he says he's going to retransmission. The interview with Doug Hagman is at the beginning of the show. So he knows that if you're listening straight through,

like maybe you joined the show late, he's promoting that a Doug Hagman interview is going to start as soon as the show restarts. So just listen to this really quick. I'm going to go into retransmission now because I've already gone 20 minutes into overdrive. And again, I'm under the weather, so it's hard for me to talk with his chest cold.

I thought it was just allergies. So I'm going to go work on some things for the nightly news coming up tonight, 7 o'clock. Watch out for the info wars.com, Prismfile.com, a lot of key info. The Dean of the Doug Haglin. Just real quick. Doug Haglin?

Well, he's confusing Doug Hagman and Dean Haglin. The guy from the X-Files spinoff show, Balone Gunman. It would be more fun if he went with my nickname, Hag Dougman. Dean Haglin is someone who Alex has also used as a source on stuff before. So it's, it's A lot of hags in his radar. Yeah.

It's, it's, you know, normal for him to think of Dean Haglin. It's not just he liked the X-Files or something like that, but it is funny that he can't remember his own guests' names. Interview is coming up with the Homeland Security confirming source that they are stalking me. And again, they do this to make me sound crazy when I talk about it and then also try to intimidate me because they know the general public just does not understand the stuff

you see in movies, so much stuff I've seen in movies. That's based on real stuff that goes on. So please pray for us. So what Alex is expressing there is the same thing that people who believe in like gang stalking. You know, you know that whole thing? No, what's gang stalking? There's a phenomenon where a lot of like, there's a form of

paranoia where people believe that random people are following them. Yes. And that, that sort of that's what Alex is sort of manifesting here. And Dean Haglin, Doug Hagman, he with his, with his fake DHS source is lending credibility to Alex's idea that when he was in New York, everyone was trying to get him.

And that's bad. Yeah, that's not great. And then for Alex to be like the things you see in movies, that's based on real life. Yeah, that's crazy. Also to really make crystal clear his break with dealing with reality on realities terms. If it would be interesting because if I agree with Alex

principally on like issues, I'd still be like, that's a, that's a, that person's nuts. Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it's one of those things where it's you told me that you were in Mexico and people were like, oh, they were pounding me. If you told me that I would be like, I got to get a new co-host

or I got to get you some help or I become even more entertaining. Well, certainly our ratings could go up by exploiting your, your, your break with reality, your mental breakdown. But yeah, I'd be worried about that. It's one of those things where he, he says that he says that they're literally doing it to make him sound crazy. And then he says, uh, it's just like in a movie, what happens they're doing to me, which makes him sound crazy.

So his, his like secret argument is obviously, well, see, I told you they were trying to make me sound crazy cause I just sounded crazy. It makes perfect sense. That's another piece of the gang stocking stuff too is the idea of like doing it not to actually stalk or anything, but to elicit the reaction of you saying you're being stalked by everybody, which will then discredit other things you have to say.

You want, you want people to think I'm crazy. That's what you want to do. And sure, I'm peeing myself right now in front of that child, but it doesn't mean I'm crazy. It means they're watching me. Right. So we get to the 11th and Alex opens up the show with a, I don't want to call it uncharacteristic sales thing because it's,

you know, it's not that uncommon, but like starting the show with a sales pitch is a little bit less common. And I think it actually illustrates something really important that I want to talk about. Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday. This is your captain speaking. We've got some really rough turbulence coming up ahead. So strap yourselves in.

It is Friday, the 11th day of January, 2013. You can see the shirt I'm wearing. Come and take it. A variant of the famous Texas saying the start of the Texas revolution for independence against Santa Anna. And he came to confiscate the guns and in Gonzales, Texas, they hoisted up a flag with a cannon as the symbol and one white star saying, come and take it.

And then inside of the T shirt I'm wearing is a AK 47 and it says the right to keep their arms shall not be infringed. We just put this T shirt up for sale, not starting the broadcast with a plug here for a product. I mean, I guess I am, but I was just looking at the shirt that I was wearing this morning and thought that I should mention it's now the best seller we've ever had of T shirts. Only been selling for about a week and is set to sell out very soon.

But never fear we're getting more, more printed right here in the good old USA. Now here's what I want to say about this. So one of the pieces of the Sandy Hook lawsuit is about Alex's profiting off of his coverage of Sandy Hook. Right. And Alex makes the argument that I didn't make any money off. Yeah.

And I do think it would be hard to trace necessarily some of the specifics of it. But I think that this clip is a pretty good illustration of exactly how he's profiting off this. Now the intrinsically super evil behavior of the crisis actors stuff is only starting to bubble to the surface at this point. But Alex is making a lot of money selling these shirts. It's the best seller shirt that he's ever had and he's only been selling it

for a short period of time. They come and take it with an AK-47 on it. Now, he's selling these shirts explicitly through the coverage of his show where he's saying that everyone is coming to take your guns. The shirt is a representation of his rhetoric that is come and take it. You want to take my guns? If he hadn't whipped his audience into a frenzy of like they are immediately going to come and take your guns, his shirt wouldn't sell that

well. The rhetoric serves as a de facto sales pitch for this shirt. Now the thing that's important is the reason the rhetoric is so strong in the time that we're looking at here at the beginning of 2013 is because Alex is using the idea of the response that people are having to Sandy Hook as his rationalization for they're about to take your guns. So he's using Sandy Hook as the excuse they will use to take your guns, which is what he's using to fuel his rhetoric, which is what is selling

these shirts. So on a sort of tertiary second, third-hand level, his response to Sandy Hook is responsible for this shirt being a best seller. There's a pretty clear path through that. Yeah, I would agree. That's not making a crazy assumption. He's not dealing with Sandy Hook as a real event, saying it is either manufactured or whatever is what's behind his ability to market this

shirt in the way that he's clearly been successful in doing. Right. So I don't know if this is usable in any way for the lawsuit's purposes. Yeah. But I think you can see that he does profit off his behavior. Oh, of course. The things that he's doing that are inappropriate directly lead to sales. Yeah.

I mean, just the repetition of his dumb ideas. Whenever he's using that fear of monetary collapse to fuel gold sales, that whole thing, it's like one step removed because you're making people believe crazy things and people are all like saying these crazy things and they're being roundly mocked for it, isolating them and creating a tight-knit group of these people, all of whom want to represent themselves as being a part of this group and how would you do that without a uniform slash t-shirt that says and signals clearly, I'm one of these guys.

Yeah. Like you're saying, it's a step removed from a more crystal clear example, but I think the line is just as direct. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I agree. It's a good reminder that what sometimes appears to be principal can also be looked at as a financial motivation.

Now, naturally, the problem with that argument, of course, is that he uses that regardless of the event. You know, like anything happening whenever he's talking about the gun grabbing. Right. I suppose the only thing that makes this one different in particular is that the shirt comes out so soon after the event because if it's a new shirt, that suggests they are capitalizing on. It does suggest that.

Yes, it does. As opposed to a shirt that was, you know, he's been yelling about gun grabbing since, you know, 1990s. Right. A shirt he makes then doesn't have the same closeness to the event. Yeah. Also, just because he's been yelling about gun grabbing forever, it doesn't mean that it takes on the same character as it has in this period that we're

looking at. That's certainly true. Yeah. Incessant gun talk in this time. All of these guests are consistently Stuart Rhodes, Larry Pratt, other gun weirdos. Yeah. It's almost the only issue that he's even covering from this time right after Sandy Hook to January 11th that we're at now.

Right. Like other stretches of time that we've looked at, whether it's 2009, 2015, obviously there's shades of guns everywhere. But it's not like this. No, you're right. This is focused and it's focused because what he believes and what he's misrepresented about Sandy Hook. And that focus leads to capitalization through monetized shirt sales.

It's very direct. Now, this shirt has a Latin phrase on it. And it's interesting that Alex doesn't know how to say it. Do you say that in Latin? Mona Lebe? Am I pronouncing that wrong? No. I usually do.

You can read it, but if you've never pronounced it, come and take it. Now, here's what I have to say about that. 2013 is way too late for Alex to not know how to say Molan Lebe. It's such a huge part of his like, it's vernacular. It's huge. It's like him not being able to say Posse Comitatus. Like it's insane to me. The idea that in January of 2013, he doesn't know how to say fucking Molan Lebe.

He only reads it, Dan. He's never heard anybody actually say it out loud. You and I both know that he is illiterate, especially in foreign languages. That's probably true. So that brings us to the end of the 11th. It is trash. It is just wall to wall. Yeah.

Piers Morgan. Oh boy. The only things that were interesting at all in that show is the shirt plug and him not being able to say Molan Lebe. I really need you to confirm that his show is three hours long. It is. That seems insane to me. It is just such dog shit.

It was one of the worst episodes I've ever listened to. That's crazy. Now in a vacuum, had I not listened to, I don't know, 13 other hours of him yelling about Piers Morgan, maybe the 11th would have been fresh. He could have. You know, maybe it would have been, but it's just like, I don't. Yeah. I can't listen to him anymore.

If that was somebody's time travel before we started the investigation, oh, that might have been fun to talk about him bitching about. It could have been interesting. Yeah. Possibly, but it wasn't. So now we jump to the 13th, which is a Sunday. In this, in this first clip, he makes it even more clear the connection between Sandy Hook and, you know, two stages removed this shirt.

I am always chomping at the bit to get back on air and expose corruption and defend our precious constitutional Republic. We're now more than a month into the gun grab push on Sandy Hook. And we know exactly what they're doing. They're coming for our guns, but that signifies a lot more. What does it signify? Why are they so desperate to get the firearms now? Oh, I know.

I know Jordan. I'll call on you for an answer. A lot of kids are being murdered. Now that's an interesting theory. Yeah. Alex would say you're incorrect. Oh, because the gun culture is so cool. Oh, and they're the only ones who can defeat the globalists.

Right. Therefore the globalists need to disarm them as opposed to the idea of like a lot of kids keep getting shot. Maybe we should have fewer shot kids. Yeah. That seems like a, like, I don't know if you've met my dude, OCam. I've only ever read it. I've never heard it pronounced, but OCam's razor.

Have you ever heard of that guy? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It suggests that maybe the simplest explanation. Well, the simplest explanation is that for ever there has been a secretive group. I'm already off the race. That's not the simplest explanation.

That doesn't, that doesn't sound right, but. No. But Alex might know about this OCam and his shaving accoutrement. Yeah. Yeah. Had he gone to college, he might know about that. Watch out for Chicov and his, his gun. Right.

Alex would be so into Chekov having a gun. So he would know about any of these things if he'd gone to college. But as we know, he didn't. No. But that does not stop him from waxing poetic about college years in this next clip. Really? That can't be. You can't cover your country towards economic destruction.

Everybody remembers when you were in college and living in a dormitory and had no money. Everybody. And had two jobs. Those of us that put ourselves through college. You didn't go to college. You work at two jobs. He didn't have two jobs when he was in junior college. No.

He went to fucking junior college for a little bit and dropped out. He's expressing a sort of an archetype of an experience that he didn't live. And a lot of people also didn't live. Most community colleges, if I remember correctly, I went to one for a half semester and at no point in time do they offer on site housing. I think I don't know if all junior and community colleges are that way. But yeah, the ones that I knew of in Columbia, Missouri, definitely didn't have dorms. No.

Why would you have a dorm? You know, like a state school does. Yeah. You know the kind of school Alex didn't go to? Absolutely. The kind that he didn't go to. Yeah. Yeah.

University. Yeah. They have dorms. I don't know. Maybe he lived in a hostel. I don't know, man. Yeah. He could have lived in a hostel.

That's possible. He's just trying to... With his CIA dentist dad who happens to have quite a bit of money. He's trying to co-opt other people's experiences and just be like, hey, you know what it was like for us? You know what it was like when we watched Animal House and we saw all the things that people probably didn't do. Yeah.

Right. Those things. So this clip made me excited because Alex is excited. It's infectious. Okay. It's infectious. I don't know. It's true.

Why are they coming after the guns right now? What does that signify? But I will say this. If we get this fish in the boat, tomorrow is a show you're not going to want to miss. And I don't count my chickens before they're hatched. It looks like the fish knock on wood is in the boat already. But until I am back at home base on dry land, I am not going to celebrate this until the fish, very nice fish by the way, is in studio with us.

So tomorrow, 11 a.m. to 2 p.m., you do not want to miss the broadcast. I will just say that. Got a big guest coming tomorrow. Okay. Big guest. Your, your eyes betray you. I don't know. I mean, who could it be?

Who could it be? This is Alex is so excited about this guy. It's probably just Ron Paul again. No, Ron Paul was on yesterday. And he didn't build it up like that at all. Just like, yeah, my boy Ron's coming on. Oh, Charlie Sheen. No.

The bells. Is it the bells? No. Although we are now going to have a guessing game for the next half hour where you try to guess what this is because it will be fucking impossible. Uh, Pierce Morgan. No. God damn it.

Um, Charlie Sheen. No. Uh, so Richard's Pug. No. No, that, that was a tragic situation. Well, it's chic. Well, it was a lot of people. It was a bad.

Yeah. And who's, who's at the forefront other than celebrities are better. Absolutely. Um, let's see a big get big, big get big is a, it wouldn't be a politician though. Right. Who knows? It's, I mean, it could be a big politician. Like who?

Obama. It's not Obama. Not Obama. I'll tell you that. He got, uh, although I'm going to go with a different way. Is he going to go with rainbow snatch? No. Oh shit.

She is nowhere near it. Okay. Um, uh, 2013 big get. Oh my God. Roger Stone. No. God damn it. I don't know.

I was really hoping that. 2013. I don't think they even know each other because they meet at a JFK convention in 2013. Right. So I think they probably haven't even met yet. It's not Roger Stone. Okay. It's not Paul Manafort.

Okay. It's not Gates. It's not Papadopoulos. It's no one involved in the Russia. Okay. So definitely not co-mates. Not Mueller. Uh, let's see.

Is it, is it somebody who will, who will not surprise me after I know it? I don't know how to answer that question. That is a really good point. That question is impossible to answer. It is. All right. Uh, one last one. I'm going to swing for the fences.

Janet Jackson. It's not. Okay. And also Eric Abadou. That can't be the last one. Okay. Frankly. Because this, this guessing game, 100% needs to continue.

I want to see just how low you can go while still being way too high. Okay. Um, oh, shit. Is it, uh, uh, Sargon? Avacad? Yes. No. God damn it.

Uh, is it British? No. Are we playing questions? Are we playing questions? Yes. Let's do it. We're absolutely playing questions. Let's play 20 questions.

Okay. Let's play five questions. I'll give you five questions and then we'll move on. Cause this might be infuriating for the audience. Okay. Uh, is, is it somebody famous? Like we're like mainstream, uh, what's their Q rating? Can you rephrase that?

We're kind of Q rating. Are we dealing with? Rephrase that question. Uh, are they, are they well known? No. Okay. Are they unknown? Yes.

That's going to make this difficult. Are they unknown? Unknown. The fact that Alex is so excited about this guest is so crazy. He's a big fish. You have two questions or you have three questions left. Okay. So it's not a YouTube star.

Sort of sort of sort of. Oh boy. Uh, 2013. Yeah. Is it somebody under 25? Uh, no. No. Is it an old person?

Oh shit. I'm past six. Uh, shit is it and it's who would go on the show? Is it PewDiePie? No. Oh, no. He's, he's why he's wildly famous at this point in time. Yeah.

That's all I got. It's someone named Michelle Dowry. That cannot be. And as far as I can tell, she's notable as being in like a viral video where she's the Obama phone lady. Really? That would have been pretty tough for you to guess. That would have been pretty tough because I don't know what the fuck you're talking

about. Obama phone? She's an Obama phone? Well, no, there was that idea that Obama was buying poor people phones and stuff like that. That like poor people just support Obama because he promised them phones. Oh, okay. Whatever that stupid propaganda narrative.

Well, she got him. She was in a video where she was the Obama phone lady and Alex has got her. Big get from 11 to two. And, and I, and let me, let me ask this question. What else would she be doing during that time? Yeah. Like, why would he say that it's possible that they didn't get her? I don't know.

Maybe like a, she missed a connecting flight. Maybe she'd miss the show or something like that. Oh, she's going to be in, she's going to be in a studio. Oh, she probably just had to take a day off from her day job. It, she comes in and I believe that what she ends up talking about is a ton of like ideas that she helped illegals vote. Sure. Sure.

You did. Sure. You did. That's definitely something that you would say out loud in public. I committed a crime of federal mass amounts of federal crimes. I've got a maximum of five years. So look, we're not going to cover the 14th on this episode, but I knew that with that tease, I could not possibly not tell you who the person was because you're expecting something.

Something. It's nothing. It's nothing. Alex is so excited about nothing. I'm terrified. I don't want to listen to this episode, this 14th episode because I scanned it on YouTube. She's there. The whole episode.

Oh boy. Pretty much the whole. Oh boy. It's going to be weird. But let's get back to, let's get back on track. Okay. All right. Alex, in this next clip, he lies about some primary sources.

Of course. And then again, manifests how he doesn't understand the difference between fiction and reality. This is social engineering. And so many of them like Bertrand Russell, you name it, wrote books about how they would domesticate us. Bertrand Russell. How they would create this nanny state. You see movies like demolition man that came out in the 90s with.

What? Sylvester Stallone. You're like, man, why is that? Why are we becoming that movie where the nanny states of police state and everybody's surveilled? How did they know that? They didn't, they didn't just. The government's not imitating demolition man now. Demolition man is basically written along the lines of the type of world the system

wants to build. Demolition man is reality. Cool. Okay. Predictive programming vis-a-vis demolition man. One, one very good thing about that is we will finally really understand what the three C shells do. I don't look forward to that.

I, I gotta know. Right. I need that mystery resolved. The thing about Bertrand Russell that he's talking about is a book that Alex takes severely out of context where Bertrand Russell is talking about the idea of a, like what would have happened if the Nazis had won World War II and became a technological dictatorship and the idea of the type of world that a nefarious evil system with the help of technology would create.

It's not talking about we should do this. It's talking, it's a thought experiment of what we could have seen in the world had things gone a different way. It's talking about it very explicitly as a negative thing and something we are lucky is not the case. So, um, already we've seen, uh, since Alex went to go talk to Piers Morgan, we've seen him say that he did what he did because it was right. Sure.

Basically. Sure. He had a chest cold. Well, that's later. That's the later edition of The Excuser. I was at a chest cold and police kept fucking with me. Right. Therefore, I yelled at him.

Right. Um, Alex has another version of what happened and what led him to do what he did, uh, in this next clip. If you really want to know why I blew up at Piers Morgan, it, it's because now in hindsight, I'm just tired of being lied to. I'm calling their bluff. I'm not playing games with them. I know they're authoritarians and I don't think it's funny.

You can't use that as an excuse. You're 20 years into your career. You've been tired of being lied to forever. That's not new. You just, your default position is tired of being lied to. Yeah. And you're lying to everybody. Wow.

It's like a Bruce Banner. It's Bruce Banner and the Avengers. The trick is he's always angry, Dan. See, I'm tired of Alex lying to everybody. I wouldn't yell at him like, like he did to Piers Morgan, but I'm equally sick of Alex lying. Yeah. It's not a good excuse.

You're just acting like a child and wanting, just the reason that he keeps coming up with fucking excuses and like rationalizations for why he behaved the way he did is because he can't come out and say, I knew it would get ratings, even though he insinuates that he's keenly aware of that. He has indications that he knows exactly what's going on, but if he's very clear and he's just like, they have a platform where I can access people who would never listen to my show of their own accord. I can act super dramatic and interesting.

And that will make other people talk about me and bring in even more viewers who will then buy my Molen Lebe shirt. And if I make an ass of myself, well, the next night Piers Morgan is going to talk about my show when I'm not there. So I get two days. Well, and Conan and the daily show and they're all going to make fun of me. Yeah. If I was just on there and was fine, it's an interview that's there and disappears.

Right. Joel Scousen shows up for an interview on the 13th and he's talking about Scous man. That's right. Who's uncle wrote a book. His uncle wrote a book called so you want to raise a boy fun stuff W Cleon Scousen total weirdo. But like Scousen's on, he even makes the point that like in the days after Alex was on Piers Morgan's show, he had like the Larry Pratt was on again and Ben Shapiro came on pre fame

Ben Shapiro. God damn it. Come on. And they were making similar arguments about not wanting gun control and no one was talking about them being on, but Alex being on everyone was talking about because he made a pageant out of it. He made a show of it. And that's really all that he can't come out and say that because it cheapens any idea

that he cares. Right. And, but that's the reality. Scousen can come out and say it. He can definitely point the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

As Scousen's are known to do. Yeah. Wow. So you want to raise a boy. So you want to make a publicity stunt. There you go. They've got a whole series of so you want to use, but only for right wing causes. So when we were looking at 2009, Alex hated Michael Savage.

He would constantly call him Michael Weiner because that's his real name. Yeah. And I talked about how he was a dick and all this stuff turns out by 2013, Alex likes Michael Savage. Super best friends. Yay. I learned man cow was on the other day and he was talking about Michael Savage was listening and sending him a text on other friends.

He didn't say that he said, but man cow when he was on said, I know that Michael Savage is listening. He didn't say anything about a text, anything like that. Alex is just making that up. And what man cow told me and another little bird told me that Michael Savage has people following him and stuff and he's had to get bodyguards and it's just like, man, is somebody really following me because the next person that follows me is going to get a problem. The next person, you hear that road warrior music right there.

Does that give me an idea? Literally. We'll be right back. Alex knows how damaging it is to have people harass you and stalk you. So this is another pillar of like his self defenses about his behavior vis-à-vis Andy Hook that just really falls, falls by the wayside. Like he's perceived, uh, you know, being harassed and stuff like that. Like his, his idea that people are doing this when it's clearly him writing a novel.

Yeah. Okay. So the idea that he is so clearly able to tell why that would be traumatizing to a person really makes it difficult for him to discount the experience that so many other people have had who were on the other end of his rhetoric. Right. It makes it very, it's a difficult pill to swallow. Now on the other hand, if he, if he is lying about this and he's aware that he's a lying

about it as opposed to not really being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, then he may connect lying about people being stalked to Sandy Hook people saying that they are lying. Exactly. Therefore he must think that everyone is also lying. Exactly. That is probably at least subconsciously somewhere in there. Yeah.

I mean, it would, it would make sense. It matches with his fucked up brain. It would make sense based on that deposition of him, like just absolutely not caring or understanding why the Sandy Hook people are suing him period is like, he just always assumed that they were lying, that everybody who did come to their house was an agent of the government in some way, the same way that he is being followed or he's not being followed. Yeah. Do you know?

Yeah. And something that just hit me while you were talking. It might be a little bit unrelated, but something that I've been, something I was thinking about completely different. No, no, no, no. I'm just kidding. It has to do with what you were talking about, but it might be slightly off topic. Yeah.

And that's something I've been thinking about as I've been listening to these episodes. It's like, there is a real sense that Alex doesn't care about Sandy Hook. Like I know that that's, that might be water under the bridge and taken as read by everybody who's listening. Yeah. But it is something that's very strange to me that there isn't like Alex talks about what he did in Sandy Hook, like in the deposition and, you know, on his show now, he's like, I barely covered it, blah, blah, blah, that sort of thing.

Yeah. It wasn't a big deal. Yeah. No, his behavior was a big deal to people on the other end of it and stuff like that. But I think spiritually he might not be lying. I think that there is a sense that I get from listening to these episodes that he doesn't give a shit. Yeah.

The idea that people died and that it ruined a lot of people's lives. Yeah. I don't think that there's, there's very, there's very little recognition that he gives a shit about their, their pain. Yeah. And then secondarily, how he gets so distracted by a whole week basically talking about Pierce Morgan. Right.

And like not really covering anything except for a little tiny, tiny flashes here and there before he gets back to talking about how there were detectives that walked into a wall or something like that when he was in New York. It indicates to me that like what he wants to talk about is his shit and he doesn't care. He doesn't give a shit about Sandy Hook. Well, I imagine that there is a certain amount of like a normalization that goes along with his view of school shootings as well. This isn't his first rodeo.

Like I assume there's part of him that wonders why it is that Sandy Hook people are suing him whenever so many other parents haven't, you know, I imagine that if we go back through many school shootings, his reaction to that is they're trying to take our gun. Well, certainly sense. So it's almost like it's muscle memory for him. He doesn't even think it's real right in the same way that somebody who a war correspondent will have a different concept of like what's super important as opposed vis-a-vis a bomb going off nearby, right?

You know, I'm not I'm not saying that it's super weird considering his psychology or anything like that. Yeah. I just think it's weird. Yeah, that's all right. You know, it's weird to go back to this time and just get the sense that he doesn't care. Yeah. But man, that's that's more like what you would hope you'd hope to hear more empathy in humanity

and somebody and it just seems absent. It's mostly about himself that the entire when there is the opportunity to talk about himself and create sort of a heroic version of his day to day events. Yeah. That's what he prioritizes. Right. Meanwhile, he talks about how like I don't want to talk about myself. This isn't Gonzo journalism or whatever, but that's that's his impulse.

Every single fucking time. Mm hmm. God, that's so disappointing. It's weird. So one of the other things that is a sort of a benefit of being able to go back and forth in time is that we can see what's true in the in the present and see if it's true in the past. Mm hmm.

And one of those things is in the present day, not too long back, maybe a couple months back, we talked about an episode where Alex is talking about how because of his super thick neck and his terrible sleep apnea, he has like 60% oxygen diminishing in his brain when he sleeps. Yeah. He has to sit on a chair and barely is able to sleep. He has terrible, terrible sleep problems. And one of the things that I've always wondered is how far that goes back.

Mm hmm. At what point did that become a part of his experience in life? And could that possibly explain any of the deterioration that we've seen in the years? Yeah. In the recent years? Yeah. And I'm no doctor. I can't say that this is evidence of anything, but this next clip is a very strong indication

that Alex Jones did not suffer from any of these problems in 2013. And so now they send a death squad to your house. And if you move, you die, which is really creepy because I sleep or freight trains can be driving by. At least I was in the past. I don't sleep as well as I used to. I guess I'm getting older. I wake up sometimes.

But I mean, you can have freight trains going by sometimes don't wake up. I mean, what if guys bust in and they scream hands up and then you reach for the light and they're wearing night vision and then they kill you or they shoot you 16 times. So I mean, the paranoia is consistent throughout on all that sort of stuff. But what he's reporting is like, he used to, he can sleep through a freight train, maybe he wakes up a little bit in the night, you know, he's getting older, that sort of thing. It's nowhere near the level of traumatic sleep experience that he talks about in the present day.

You get a prostate exam. Maybe. That's not a bad idea. Sure. Yeah. But if you take him at his word, what you see is a dramatic shift in sleep health. And not to say that that explains or makes it okay, the stuff he does. But it's interesting.

It's interesting to note that that probably might be a more recent development in his in his health. That's a, yeah, that's something to file away under evidence. It's not, it's not a smoking gun. It's not. It's nothing. File it under tidbit. Fun fact.

Fun fact. Alex could sleep at 2013. So if we were in the early 2000s, that would be part of the pop-up video that VH1 would show. There would be a little bubble that pops up and going in 2012, he didn't have any neck issues. I didn't say that. Yeah.

Still probably got a thick one. Well, he still probably got that. Yeah. Anyways. So when we were talking about the Pierce Morgan stuff, I wanted to make very clear that Alex had a very legitimate complaint and that was that Buzz Bissinger, Pierce Morgan's guest on the next night show, did say that Alex should, you should, Pierce Morgan should shoot Alex.

Yeah. Buzz Bissinger did say that. At least very strongly implied it. Yeah. He used language that very clearly made it seem that, that that was what he was saying. Pop said Buzz Bissinger. Yes. That is a...

I like saying his name. Buzz. The way he said it was very clear in his intention, but at the same time, I've had enough conversations with people where I have not actually even heard what they've said and just moved along. Yeah. You know, like I've listened to episodes of our show and thankfully it's not very often, but like you'll say something and I'm like, yep, absolutely. And then I'll be editing it and I'll listen back and like, why did I agree to that?

It's not, it doesn't happen much, but there have been occasional times and I can see the guests. Let's start a fire. Yep. Okay. Moving on. All right. I could see the other guests on Pierce Morgan's show when they were like, yeah, I'd like to

see that. Yeah. They could have interpreted it being like a boxing match and you punch Alex. Right. You pop him one in the jaw. Right. You know, that sort of thing. So their agreement with him, I don't think is as damning as Buzz Bissinger's comments

actually were. Right. That's entirely possible. They were also thinking of what they wanted to say next and they were just laughing and agreeing to move along. 100%. Yeah. But I didn't hear what you said because I was thinking of something that I was about

to say. Yeah. There's a, there's versions of performative conversations that easily could explain them not agreeing that Alex should be shot, but still appearing to because they missed what Buzz was saying or something like that. So whatever the case, I think Alex has a valid complaint. He's making too much out of it. But now on the 13th here on January 13th, I think he's crossed the line because now

Alex has successfully turned it into a victimhood propaganda narrative that no longer matches the actual interview. We're in a crisis. Only getting angry gives us a chance to wake people up. Okay. So here they are the next night talking about how I need to be popped with a semi-auto. Whoa. And then the bimbo and then the host say, oh, you could dress up in a uniform because

it's okay if it's the government. And he goes, yes, I'll wear my brother's uniform. And the army, oh, yes, we'll kill him. Oh, imagine if I did this. So the thing that I take issue with is he's just completely twisting it now. And he goes on and on about the idea of like, the reason they were saying the uniform thing is because they're trying to enforce like that it's okay for murder to be done by officials of the state.

Yeah. And that sort of thing. It's like, okay, you were right to complain about Buzz Bissinger and maybe you should have filed some sort of an action or a complaint. Like I don't know what would be appropriate to do in that situation, but you could probably do something. Yeah. But with what Buzz Bissinger said, but he doesn't want to do that.

He wants to turn it into this narrative where they're all like, oh, wouldn't it be great? Well, wouldn't it be great to kill him? I have a problem with him calling her a bimbo. Totally. That's a, that's a big issue for me. Yeah. That's not, that's not positive. Yeah.

The bimbo and the host. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that wasn't the end of the Gilligan's Island season. Um, yeah. So that like, uh, the naked trucker and Dave shirt, T bones. Yeah. So that's, that's what he does. Like he takes, and this is why it's very difficult sometimes to agree with him because the agreement that I have is that Buzz was out of line and now that agreement could easily be twisted

into appearing that I agree with this, what he's doing now. He has now taken his narrative that I could have gotten on board with and turned it into something that I am no longer on board with because he's manipulatively lying about it. He lets you off the hook. Yeah. Yeah. Now in this next clip, he's successfully transmuted another piece of that next day of, uh, Piers Morgan's show, which I was never on board with.

And now I'm even further off board with. And by the way, then they start talking about, I hope nothing happens to his children and then these word looks on their faces. No, they're such a nice people. That's not at all even close to what happened on the show and the way Alex is presenting it. He's making it seem like Buzz Bissinger and the other people in the same interview were talking about nothing happening to Alex's children when it was something that was stated

earlier in the episode in a completely unrelated, different interview with a family member of someone who survived the Aurora shoot or was killed in the Aurora shooting. Excuse me. And so like the idea, he's trying to present that those two things are connected. The Alex should be popped and then hope nothing happens to your kids. Because if they are connected, it is much more nefarious if Buzz Bissinger after saying that said, hope nothing happens to his kids, then you're like, oh, that is super fucked up.

But the reality that he's basing this on is not that at all. Now, it was a man, a grieving man showing compassion and saying that he would never want anything like that. Somebody who would be not justified, but would be understandable. Should he say that Alex deserves some sort of punishment for this kind of rhetoric? He would never say, you know, I don't think you'd be justified, but you could understand that's what I'm saying. Not justified, but understandable.

I think it would still be not understandable to say it on Piers Morgan. So I know that we talked about this stuff already in the last episode and it's not new. Like the idea that this one part is a fair complaint, this other one is bullshit, that sort of thing. But the reason that I re-brought them up is I wanted to show you what they've become after a couple of days. After it goes through the wash cycle of Alex repeating it over and over again, seeing what feels good, this is what comes out the other side.

So you take the Piers Morgan interview and then the next day, Alex has the sort of rough version of his police harassment that he suffered and that sort of thing. Over the next couple of days, it becomes more detailed and more evolved. There's new wrinkles added to it as he goes along. It's like the Halloween story with the hat. Exactly. Doug Hagman in there to give you some sort of a seemingly official backing of your paranoid fantasies and fictional retelling of the events.

And that's what comes out the other end. In the same way the complaints about the next day's show on Piers Morgan, there's the rough primitive version of it that comes out immediately. Give it a couple of days and the tumbling cycle comes out the other side of polished rock and that's what he's going to move forward with. The perception that they want to shoot me and they were insinuating they hope my kids get killed. Of course.

Which is good. Awesome. Great. Thanks guys. So to get the taste of that out of our mouths, here's Alex singing along with a song. You would not expect him to be singing along with. This is not old country. It's weird.

Call me maybe. I'm going to call. All right. I'm going to call Moby. All right. Okay. So we'll get Moby on the line. This is ridiculous.

All right. I was going to be singing along with Moby. It also sounds like now it sounds to me like he very much owns the big chill soundtrack. It's possible. Yeah. That's super weird. That's very sort of out of Alex's range. Let's say everybody loves a little dance party from now and now and again.

Come on. You can't always be line dancing. Sometimes you got to get them hips involved. I agree. I agree. But more importantly than your hips and hands are important. Well, neither of them lie. Wow.

The hips don't lie. Shakira has informed me of that. Well, the hands, yeah. My THS source Shakira has informed me that hips are not deceitful. Yeah. But your hands, they're not for dancing. That's true. They're putting together.

Pray and pray. I got you. In this next clip, Alex Braggs about how much he prays. I mean, my life is like a movie. Like an action movie. But because that just makes me know I'm that much more right. Like the last action hero. Because of that, it's literally, I pray to God every day so many times a day.

And years ago, I prayed like once a day. I pray like 10 times a day now. I do. I pray all the time. I believe they're so holy. I think there's some verses about that Bible. Oh, there's very much the, you should not be publicly super stoked about your, your praying habits.

Yeah. It seems, it seems out of line with some of the tenants. Yeah. But at the beginning of the clip, I think it's also really interesting to hear him like just constantly compare his life to a movie because we would do that too. But like in as much as movies aren't real. Right. You know, like, right.

What he's expressing is, is just such an enmeshed inability to present reality as reality. Right. It's so messed up. Yeah. When two chains says his life is like a movie, that's absolutely true. Oh, people who are like balling out of control. Absolutely. Yeah.

His life is like a movie. But not in the, not a spy thriller. No. When people like, when rappers say their lives are like movies, they're talking about, they're not really meaning movies. They mean their lives are like what you imagine movie stars lives. Exactly. Or a movie about affluence as opposed to Alex being like, I'm living the born identity.

Or a movie about Tupac. Sure. Very much. So we have one more clip here and it's how Alex ends the show. He's been taking some calls and they're all pretty boring. But he gets this call from a lady who ran into Diane Feinstein. And I believe Gloria all read at an abortion rally. She doesn't have much to say about it.

But Alex walks into a bar. Right. Alex editorializes on her, I guess, celebrity sightings. Sure. Sure. And then it's fun to see how he ends the show. 90 or 91, I was in Irvine, California at a pro, I was a pro life abortion rally. And I personally met and saw Diane Feinstein and Gloria all read.

And they are exactly what you said. Hard as nails. You name it. No, no, they're demons. They're demons. They want us to be their slaves. I'm out of time. Tomorrow, 11 a.m. central in full wars.com.

Huge in studio gas. That's all I'm going to say. You don't want to miss this. Really can't believe it still. That's crazy. It can't be. He's promoting this so fucking hard. It cannot be the Obama phone girl.

That's the only guest he has the next day. That just can't be. And for the entire show almost. Okay. Maybe the real guest did cancel. Oh, that's an interesting theory. Billy Corgan's connecting flight. Something like that.

Well, it was going to be movie. Who knows. Also, by the way, this lady with her complaints about Diane Feinstein and Gloria all read. Hard as nails is not a negative. That seems like a compliment. Yeah. For sure. Back when I was a kid, the, the Mizzou basketball team was not there.

Yeah. It was not very good. No. They were, they were pretty bad. But there was this guy on the team named Jason Sutherland. It was a outside jumper artist. Real good three point man. Okay.

Second story man. The thief. Stole three pointers from everybody in the big eight. Yeah. Yeah. Back then the big eight. That's the big eight. And my dad with the way he'd always describe him is that guy's tough as nails.

Cause he was scrappy. He was small and he wasn't afraid to mix it up a little bit after the ball. Is the prototypical compliment you give to a white guy on a basketball court? Yeah. Or at least a small person who's still, you're still getting in there. Yeah. Absolutely. Tough as nails.

I would find stand for all her shortcomings. Absolutely. Like in terms of policy and stuff like that. She's tough as nails. Yeah. She's look at where she got. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Glory already. Glory already is the most tough as nails. So I agree with this lady. Just not the implication. These two women are tough as nails. You name it. Yeah.

You bet. Yeah. In order to get where they are. Boy. And now Alex, they're demons. Yeah. Wow. They're demons.

Everybody knows that demons are also tough as nails though. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that brings us to the end of this episode. And I think that one of the things we see is a bit of a holding pattern. Alex is so excited about his Piers Morgan appearance, how much attention he's getting from it. And so much of it is very negative, like the Conan and Daily Show things. He plays them on his show.

Yeah. And it's pretty not that bad in terms of what I would call bad. John Stewart is talking about the idea that, oh, so what's going on? Because he plays the clip of Alex screaming about Hitler took the gun, Stalin took the gun. Yeah. 1776. Yeah.

That sort of thing. And then the audience laughs. Right. You know. Right. Because he's a clown. And John Stewart's analysis of it is, oh, I see what's going on. Your fear of a possible dystopian future is stopping us from having a conversation about

our dystopian present. Yeah. And so there's like, it's a lot of negative attention that Alex is getting, but he's still able to use it like to do what he needs to do. Well, for the people that would be inclined to then go follow up and listen to Alex, there's a certain percentage that are going to misconstrue all of this coverage as them attacking Alex. Right. Thereby making his victim narrative all the more effective.

Right. And the people who would listen to the Daily Show and think that John Stewart has a point aren't going to be listening to Alex. It's never. For the most part. Yeah. So you're kind of inoculated by that. So you can play the Daily Show coverage and then scream about it a little bit or deflect

from it without fear of people who are like, you know, John Stewart is right. Yeah. He has nothing to lose. If you're, if you're listening to Info Wars, you're not watching the Daily Show every night going, look at that liberal crusader. Yeah. So it's, it's interesting to see here in this time when so much is going on, like in terms of the aftermath of Sandy Hook, the, just the conversation that's going on in

the world to see Alex take such a pit stop to just, just suck his own dong. Such grotesque naval gazing. It's really bizarre. And I, I resented it a little bit in preparing this episode because I, I'm really invested in this 2013 period and we just get stuck in the mud here a little bit. Instead, we got a week of a literal masturbatory content. Yeah. And I mean, it is what it is, but, you know, I can't handle it, man.

If the Monday show, I mean, it won't be because he's got that big guest, but like, if the Tuesday show is just him yelling about Pierce Morgan, like, I don't know what I'm going to do. How long, how many, how many weeks can this go on for? I'm going to lose my mind. Just I don't care. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't care anymore. Yeah. So we'll see, we'll see what happens, but I'm, I'm excited for it to be something different than this. I think we got through most of the mud of Alex's, I'm awesome because I was on CNN tour. Yeah. But yeah, we'll be back. But we have a website.

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We are on Facebook and on iTunes. You can subscribe, leave a review, rate, all those things, tell a friend each one to each one. Yeah. That'd be nice. Yeah. So Jordan, I will say that Alex's imaginary dorm roommate by virtue of not existing has never killed anybody.

That's true. But one guy who has, is that imaginary roommate's roommate, who happens to be Alex Jones, who is technically probably killed a guy. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.