Knowledge Fight - #301: January 24-28, 2013

Episode Date: May 27, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back into the past of the Alex Jones Show to explore how he behaved in the days and weeks after Sandy Hook. In this installment, the gents uncover a really important development in Alex's path toward calling the victims actors, and in the process find three interviews completely unrelated to Sandy Hook that can only be described as "trash."

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan. Dan. Jordan. When was the last time you had a cigarette, Dan? Um, I guess I had some, maybe like a month ago or so. Yeah. Vape life, baby. Oh, yeah, that's right. We shared one about a month ago.

Yeah. Yeah. But otherwise, both of us... And it was unsatisfying. Or it wasn't, it wasn't that it was unsatisfying. It was like, I've successfully transitioned over to a vape. Yeah. And the ideas of like, oh, cigarette will be so much better. They're really not.

So, I don't know, it's just an illusion of a bygone past. It is, it is strange. I don't miss it either. It's been, it's been almost two months since I quit like the regular smoking life. And I just don't miss it. Oh. It's weird. How about you? You, you just don't care? Not really. Not really?

Every now and again, I do feel like, yeah, I should have a cigarette, but I don't really. I don't, it goes away really fast. Yeah. I don't know. Hashtag Vape Life. Vape Life, apparently. That's how we do it. So this podcast, neither of us really smoke cigarettes much.

And we talk about Alex Jones, because I know a lot about him. And I only know what you tell me about him. That's correct. Jordan today got an interesting episode to go over. But before we get to it, we got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up in our supporting the show. So first of all, like say, thank you to Jim. You're now a policywank. I'm a policywank.

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clicking the button that says support the show. And we would appreciate it. That would be a delight. So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over, and I'm not going to tell you what timeframe it's from. Okay. Because what I'm going to do instead is I'm going to play you a clip and you try and tell me when this is from.

Are we doing this the whole time? No, just this first clip. And then I will reveal to you what timeframe we're talking about. But I wanted to play this clip and see if you could use context clues to figure out what era Alex Jones this episode is from. Okay. So are we going, are we doing a poignant thing where it's like this, this is something Alex could be saying 10 years ago?

Or is this just out of the blue? Why are you trying to ruin the game? Okay, fine. I was just, I just wanted to hint. You're just trying to get fucking away to cheat at the game. And that's not fair. Hints are not cheats. Now pay close attention because there are some subtle clues and

some not so subtle clues. Okay. And it's all getting you ready. Why are they getting you ready for trips on the streets and and TSA checkpoints? I mean down the street for me on the on the road, searching people illegally violation of the Fourth Amendment, 10th Amendment, 9th Amendment.

Why are they doing this? Ladies and gentlemen, because they're criminals, they're collapsing the whole society and they know they're all going to jail if they don't totally take over and arrest their opposition. They've stolen tens of trillions. The derivatives, the people running things make Ken Lay look like a choir boy, an angel.

So you got, you got the, the globalists need to take power and jail their opponents, which is very in line with the ideas of the present day. It's very Q Anani. Right. I don't know. What do you think? I, what is Ken Lay doing in there?

Well, Ken Lay is a famous archetype of globalists. Right. I mean, it's been a while, right? True. But I'm going to go with 2011 or 2013. No, this is January 24th through 28th, 2013. We'll be going over. We're continuing our investigation.

Yeah. So I got 2013. Yeah. But you hedge you with 2011. I wanted a hint. I'm going to hedge. I'm cheating. The reason that I did that game that didn't go at all,

how I hoped it would. But the reason I did was that content of what he's saying is almost identical to things he's expressing at the present. Yeah. The narrative never changes. The idea that the globalists are going to go to jail unless they immediately do something is always there. It's consistently there in 2013.

We see it in the present. Although I thought for sure you'd be able to tell like, Oh, I guess you did and saying 2011 or 2013. You could tell it wasn't present day. Yeah. Because his vocal patterns are so fucking different. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Just not even close. Just the idea of trying to imagine that that was in the present is ludicrous. No chance. No. No, that was not even just because of the Canley reference that just the way he's organizing his thoughts, the way he's speaking, the mannerisms, the delivery,

the slurring or absence thereof. It was the guess was like when you heard it, obviously it was in the past. So it was either 2013 or I thought it might be a time travel episode and you were like going to be like, Hey, no, it's actually from 2009. I'm not one for trick questions. I get where you're coming from, but I don't like to I don't

like to play like, Hey, is it A or B? Haha. Fuck you. It's C. I see. I've been burned too many times. Yeah. So today, like I said, we're going over the 24th to the 28th.

It's a wide span of time because some of it was a slog and you need to find things to talk about. Sometimes that means you got to listen to whole episodes that suck. Oh boy. That's no fun. Here is an out of context drop from this span of time. We'll be covering on today's show to my broadcast is almost

a college for people who want to go out and do bad things and be evil. I don't know what let me be. Let me be clear about this that context doesn't help that close. So he's just literally saying that we're listening to me and do bad things. I don't know what he was trying to express there because he

does the truth for where I'm sitting. That feels about right accurate self reflection. Yeah, it's not accredited. Yeah. No, so in this first clip, we're going to start here on January 24th and Alex starts things off on what I can only describe as a kind of racist note. I mean, it is nothing but them playing us off like two different

Indian tribes, two different Native American tribes early on that the natives outnumbered settlers at some some points a hundred thousand to one, you know, and there's like 15 settlers and you know, estimated however many natives on the continent. But during the summer, the biggest 10 to 1, 21, 31, but it wasn't even the superiority of arms because there were the French and others constantly always selling armaments to

the natives who were very proficient with them very quickly. It was that the natives could always were always fighting with each other. Well, they live across that river. They all look the same act of the same and the basically same culture. But it didn't matter because the British intelligence and

others could come in and manipulate them off against each other and the French tried it. It's called the great game who can do it the best. The Spanish tried it. They weren't as good. Who's better at it? So they took over the world. British are the best at that.

So they took over the world. I mean, there is kind of a little element of that that is like ha ha gullible natives. No, I just a fun, fun way to look back on our history. I really, I really, I really don't think he should be allowed to talk about history period because anytime or maybe he should talk about it more because anytime he tells us about what he thinks history was, it is a

fantastical ridiculous like a twisting of a certain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, so that came in the context of Alex beginning this episode and what I would describe as a protracted rant about how you can't stand the people are calling him and his friends racist because they won't turn in their guns. He has this conception that's like, I don't want to

turn to my guns. Oh, well, you're a racist then hold on. Let me tell you more about American history where all Native American tribes look the same and basically had the same culture, but you could still trick them into fighting each other. How dare you call me racist? Exactly.

I don't believe that anyone is actually making the accusation that Alex is a racist because he won't turn in his gun. It seems like a classic straw man that he likes to play. Yeah. On the other hand, Alex is a huge racist completely independent of his unwillingness to turn in his gun. So I get that someone might be accusing him of that and

he's just misunderstanding what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that that clip that we just listened to can really be a full demonstration of Alex being a huge monstrous racist. Yeah, it doesn't get much more boring. The way he discusses Native American tribes in that clip clearly illustrates how much of a bigot he is and how bigotry

informs his worldview. The context of that clip is that he's been trying to say that the globalists are trying to trick us into fighting with each other. His side loves their guns, but the left has been tricked into thinking that him and his friends are racist because the globalists want to demonize them to make it easier to take their guns.

Thus, the globalists are trying to play Alex and the left against each other, quote, like two Native American tribes. The first problem that jumps out is that Alex is trying to present the plight of the Native American tribes in early American history as being the result of them being gullible and stupid. There's so many more of them than the whites, but they were so easy to dupe into fighting with each other that the

crafty whites were able to get the upper hand. Or they were nice and the whites were evil nationalist lunatics. The second problem where his real bigotry is on full display is when he says to the tribes, quote, they all look the same, acted the same, had the same culture. See, there you go. That one was troublesome.

Yeah, that's a huge problem. That's a big problem. This is absolutely nowhere near true, but it's true to Alex because he gets most of his information about Native Americans from F troop reruns. When Christopher Columbus arrived thinking he'd reach the Indies, he called the people he encountered Indians to quote Herman Viola, curator of the Smithsonian Institution National

Museum of Natural History, quote, a fundamental mistake that persists to this day is to speak about quote, the American Indians as if they were one people. Despite their small numbers, the Indian peoples of North America were as dissimilar from each other as they were the peoples of Europe. In terms of languages, clothes, lifestyles, militancy and religion, the tribes in different parts of North America

differed greatly from each other. Native American tribes only appear to look similar, act similar and have the same culture if you don't pay attention to them and not and see them not as people, but as things. It's one thing for someone to say that in the late 1700s, but man, it is a real sign of severe bigotry in the mind for someone to express that in 2013. Right.

It's fucked up. I mean, and it's different forms of government, different languages. It's two of look if France and fucking Spain are the distance or like the size of Indiana and Illinois right back to back and they have completely different languages. Why would you imagine that Native Americans in the a vast expanse geographically larger than Europe would be one monoculture?

Yeah, it's they don't even like Leno. It's a it's a dismissal. It's just a it's a historical dismissal and a you gay. Yeah, they're brown. Yeah, done, but they weren't smart enough to develop individualistic societies together. I guess. Yeah, which is classic classic Alex Jones and classic bigotry

which come together like peanut butter and chocolate. Oh, yeah. So in this next clip, Alex is talking more about Pierce Morgan and how great a time he had on the show and how it's been awesome for him. I'm getting tired. I'm getting so I'm getting real tired of him bragging about being on Pierce Morgan.

Yeah, it's kind of like that comic, you know, who gets a big gig and talks about it for five years. Yeah, that's kind of the feeling I'm getting with Alex like he's insulting Pierce Morgan and talking about how stupid and shitty and a globalist he is. But at the same time won't stop fucking talking about being on his show. It's very insane.

Dude, the JFL edition process is such bullshit since I got in the new faces five years ago. I just, you know, they won't allow me to do it. I had a great time and I love jam. Well, we're on the subject. I should tell you that I did audition for JFL. Yeah, of course you did. Yeah.

I don't even remember what fucking you that was. Anyway, it is a sex clip. Alex talks about Pierce Morgan and how it was the biggest thing of the last year that that blow up on air was aired on every major English station in the world that I know of one of the biggest media events not just of this year, but last year and it's been rated as such as such and I didn't really do all that on purpose.

I just said, God, you know, whatever you want me to do, have me do it and that's what happened. Every part of that was perfectly on all these other shows. They could have me on MSNBC and get double ratings for the week. They could have me on all these people raise and increase their ratings. They know that. I mean, I've talked to executives of these companies over

and over again over the years. Oh, we really want you. We're trying to get you. But there's no way that, you know, the execs are going to kill it and I'm like, that's fine. I don't want to be on there. Stop calling me. I would imagine that someone being polite and trying to

end the conversation. Oh, we're trying to have you on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And these places don't want to have Alex on not because they don't want the ratings or they're afraid of him. It's a cheap pop. You know, it's a it's a cheap way to get attention on you, but you demean the quality of what you're doing and the

content. Piers Morgan doesn't have that concern because he's Piers fucking Morgan asshole. And everybody is like, you're an idiot. Yeah, it's it. It's stunt booking. Yeah, that kind of thing. Like what Rogan does.

Yeah, yeah. I'll have Alex Jones on. I don't care. Yeah, a lot of fucking views. Yep. But at the same time justifies everything doesn't it? Yeah. So you really got start to get the sense of the way Alex's

mind works in that last clip, which with how much he needs to insist that him being a little gun baby on Piers Morgan show was a gigantic media event in quotes, even his own telling of it here. He didn't accomplish anything. Piers Morgan is still an asshole. His precious guns are still in peril of being grabbed by Diane Feinstein discourse hasn't been advanced and we've

gotten nowhere the way Alex is phrasing. This is correct and it's so weird that he knows it. That was a media event and that geared only at generating publicity a PR stunt. That's all that was. Yeah, and he knows it. I decided to think back on 2012 and January 2013 to see if Alex's claims stood up to scrutiny that his appearance on

Piers Morgan was one of the biggest media events of that time period and has been rated as such double ratings for all of the networks that decided to air it. I'm going to consider all media coverage to be relevant to my calculation. So I'm not just considering overtly manufactured manufactured media events, although there may be some in this list. Here are some of the things that happened in 2012 that people

certainly remember way more than Alex yelling at Piers Morgan. CERN discovered the Higgs boson particle boring. The 2012 summer Olympic Games in London. Don't even remember. Putin became president of Russia again after years as prime minister. The murder of Trayvon Martin, the curiosity rover landed on Mars, the whole Mayan apocalypse thing.

Barack Obama got reelected. So there was that whole 2012 election, the primary season. That dude Felix Baumgartner live streamed jumping out of space from that red bull balloon becoming the first man to break the sound barrier without a vehicle. Remember, I watched the shit out of that. Madison Baumgartner won the World Series. I don't know if that was 2012.

It was even your magic, baby. Okay. 2010, 2012 grumpy cat made its media debut. Oh, poor, poor one out. RIP. And of course we saw that you saw the deaths of Whitney Houston, Andrew Breitbart, Dick Clark, MCA of the Beastie Boys, Rodney King, Ernest Borgnein, Neil Armstrong and Michael Clark

Duncan. Oh, and of course there was the fucking Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings. Like, what are you doing? I'm not, I don't mean to judge at all here. Borgnein made the list. He's a big, big star. There were probably other choices.

I could have made a list of celebrity deaths, but Borgnein's out there. I like Borgnein. No, he's great. Relevant. He's great in everything. I still think his dad probably got more media coverage than Alex being on Piers Morgan.

Probably. It's insane that he thinks that like we is the biggest fucking thing. There was an election. Yeah. Yeah. Like not alone. Yeah.

Yeah. That was a pretty big one. Yeah. It was a pretty big election. Fucking conceited narcissistic asshole thinking that like we are the, me, I yelled at Piers Morgan and it changed the world. It did.

The fuck out there. The effects are rattling throughout history today. So in this next clip, Alex is mad because Diane Feinstein may or may not have mentioned Christianity in talking about gun control bills. And Alex doesn't like that. And then he says something painfully tragic considering what we know from where his career goes.

And speaking for Christians, even if she was a Christian, you do not speak for me, lady. And I think it's just outrageous that people think it's okay to walk on Christians. Can you imagine if I got up here and spoke for Islam when I'm not a Muslim or a follower of the Prophet Muhammad? Yes, I can imagine. Can you imagine what would happen?

Can you imagine if I got up here and if I spoke for Jewish groups or if I spoke for atheists groups? Well, as atheists, I believe in God. And as a Christian, I believe in turning your guns in and we're not a Christian. I mean, it is over the top. I mean, that condescending impression that he did at the end there is like, I'm an atheist and I believe in God like

literally so much of his show now is screaming about how atheists secretly worship the devil. Yeah. So Alex, you are doing exactly what you're mocking every every bit of it. Yeah, you are always speaking for Islam saying that they want to do all this. You're always speaking for Junie.

Even even this story where you're like, hey, even if she is a Christian, you don't speak for me, lady, you speak for all Christians all the time. You speak for everybody. Everybody. You might as well be the fucking Lorax. You're speaking for the trees. This fucking guy.

And I think that you nailed it in the middle of that clip, which is the real tragic thing is like, it's funny to look back at this and he'd be like, wouldn't that be just so awful of me to do that? Yeah, like she's doing now. But he's like, what can you imagine what people do? Like not much. Yeah.

I mean, I guess that's not like technically why he's kicked off all these social media platforms, but he could he could probably imagine that that that's the consequence of that. But I don't think you'd ever even even try that. I doubt it. Ultimately, it's nothing. Nothing. You get no consequences.

Alex. Yeah, except for if you agitate long enough, you'll go on Joe Rogan again. That's pretty much it. Yeah. You could throw a fit. People reward you. Yeah.

So Jordan. Yes. This next clip is a commercial for Piers Morgan show. Wouldn't that be great? That would be hilarious. If you start to advertise for Piers, I would love that. That would be a bold move. GCN's new sponsor, Piers Morgan.

Piers fucking Morgan. It's not that, but this I'm going to ask you to put your mic down because I think you're going to end up laughing and screaming during this commercial. Okay. Because it's absurd. Okay. It's it.

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God, I want Sam Elliott to redo that audio because that is fucking dynamite. Nope, it was Frank Bates. So what are your first thoughts about the weird device? Well, very specific in the commercial. It is the first thing I thought is a banner ad where it's like try this one weird trick to make your odd device go away or whatever it is, you know, like that kind of thing.

And then 280 million is really specific. It is. It's a lot. It's very specific, though. That's that's like what 8% of the population, something like that. 80. Eight.

It's 8% of the population. 280 million. Oh, 280 million. Does that what he said? He said 280 million, didn't he? I think he did. Shit. I thought he was saying 28 million.

I just discounted. Yeah, I stroked out. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Any number is. So I want to start this with bad news. And that is that weirddevice.com is no longer a functioning website and the snapshots in the wayback machine are just pages with videos that are no longer available.

So we may never know exactly what the weird device is. Wait, so they did take the video down? I don't. I mean, I think whoever's running it. I think this is real now. No, it's not. I think it might have been something about EMP fears. That's my guess because I think it's probably some sort of a

threat to the power grid. Sure. That's that makes the most. If it's 280 million people, then you assume that the only people who wouldn't be affected by knocking out of the power grid by any MP people who live deep in the woods. Yeah. And maybe that's the rest of the population who probably

aren't listening to that broadcast. Yeah. Another possibility is that I found another product that this company sells that is referred to as a weird device. But I don't think it's the same one because it's just a solar powered kettle. Oh, that's nice. It's very weird.

There's a video you can find advertising it online and it's very strange. Yeah. Does it work? I don't know. It seems like it was made for TV products that like, oh, here's the thing you can make a giant donut in solar cattle. Yeah.

It takes the sun's rays. It looks. It's like a tall cylinder. Okay. Make soup in it. That's basically how they sell it. It's almost like, you know what else is a solar kettle? A really hot day.

Right. A pot. That's it. I don't think that that's what the commercial is for because there's so much more danger implied by the commercial. So I don't know. So since we started back in this late 2012 early 2013 time period, I've been hearing that commercial for the weird device

and every time I've had to suppress the urge to figure out what it's about. Right. As I know from listening to Alex for this long that something like that is often not satisfying to investigate. You have this great thing that's just come on. Come on. Look at this.

It's a weird device. It's a weird device. Yeah. I mean, it could just be a crank operated radio or flashlight that would be a weird device. It's not that weird. It's always unsatisfying. It's sour grapes when you look into Alex.

Patriot marketing traditions are really manipulative and they play on emergencies and secrecy like that commercial does. So I just decided I wouldn't even fucking get into it and try and figure out what Frank Bates and the weird device are all about. But this time I couldn't resist. Couldn't stop yourself. No, I had to get to the bottom of this and thankfully it wasn't

too hard. Thanks to a great investigative piece by Zach Bochamp on think progress, which a lot of this information comes from. The weird device is but one of the advertising campaigns put up by a company called for Patriots. It's a company that sells survival food seeds and all sorts of other stuff. You'd suspect Patriot oriented company to sell.

They tend to like that stuff. Frank Bates is the face of the company and his story is the stuff of downtrodden Patriot legend. His family had suffered due to his unfair termination by an evil business. Power costs had driven him out of his home. The federal government wanted to put him in a FEMA camp as Bochamp explains quote Bates's testimony up from dependence

through three neat products is the beating heart of the four Patriots brand public image. The marketing centers around the premise that these products that they sell are the things that allowed Frank Bates to break free of government oppression, high power costs and all the rest of the other bullshit and become a independent Patriot. Yeah, I'm starting to I'm suspecting some issues here.

Well, the first issue is maybe a big one. There's literally no evidence that Frank Bates exists. Yes, yes, of course for Patriots is a company that was started by a guy named Alan Baylor, a Harvard graduate who was boarded as corporate job and decided to go to get into affiliate marketing. This is the sort of thing where a person is aiming to drive traffic to a seller's website.

So they create their own website ostensibly as a resource on products like the one the seller is marketing with links to the seller's website. The Internet is littered with websites like this where a page is like a write up of the importance of humidifying air. They have a bunch of essays with the talk at the right words the keywords in it and then at the end there's an Amazon link to a specific humidifier that is what they make money off of.

The goal is to get the affiliate website situated in a prime position with SEO so you funnel people to where the seller wants them to go. Then the affiliate marketer gets a cut of all the purchases that come from clicks of that link around 2011. Baller stumbled into how lucrative and easy to market to the conservative community are and began focusing on them specifically.

He began a company called Reboot Marketing the parent company of all the various four patriot initiatives and by all accounts he created fake Frank Bates to appeal to all the little things that are catnip to conservatives which all basically boil down to rank paranoia in 2012 the company brought in 11.8 million dollars using this strategy to quote Bochamp quote all Baller does is drench someone else's stuff and paranoid anti Obama finery and advertise it to the

conservative media sphere using a likely fictional life story. And one of the places he decided to take his his advertising model to Alex Jones. Wow that is fucking brilliant. He's not even making he's not making anything he's not he's not creating anything I don't think he is he's not he's not in he's not adding any evil really into the world. He's just manipulating he's just wrecking paranoid guys and

sending them to Amazon links and all the shit like that. He's just recognized how easy it is to to con the conservative at least this this end of it right this end of the conservative spectrum and then he got like he was all over the place he was advertising on the blaze it was pretty endemic for a bit. Yeah how's he doing now. I think he's still probably doing pretty good.

I want to know and now I like this guy. It's such an interesting question too of like the legality of what he's doing because if you just made up this guy as the pitch man or whatever that's not illegal. No that's not illegal at all. He could be completely defrauding people who have an expectation or a belief that this guy is real but where it does get into like FTC laws being violated is if Frank

Bates the fake character is giving a testimonial that these products okay. All right because then you're entering the territory of defrauding your customers right now. So it's this we I don't know if he's ever broken the law if there's ever been an investigation but it's that it's that weird middle ground where you're definitely scamming people.

Yeah yeah no for sure for sure or even are you it's not like you're stealing money from anybody. I think I think he is because I think a lot of them have some pretty serious markups too. Oh yeah I think as I understand from that article and think progress there is some there there may there may be some like buying a ton of stuff from one of these companies and then seriously marking it up like the the affiliate marketing side

of it is one place like that's where it started but it appears that the business may have grown to the point. Oh he's also starting to sell his own stuff. Well as a conduit of other companies got like one of the things that he sells is food like survival food and he gets it from mypatriotsupply.com which is the same place Alex sells food from Jesus Christ and according to that think progress article he had a severe markup yeah survival food.

Yeah so there's a chance that he gets stuff wholesale and then like Bilk's people right which is kind of the same thing Alex is doing. It's almost entirely the same thing that it's kind of weird to see it's not even kind of it's the same thing Alex is doing it's weird to see an advertisement that's basically for Alex's business model on his show. Yeah that's strange except it's almost like Alex is missing

out on part of it and he's not getting any of the affiliate marketing. Well that's because his business is so in its adolescence yeah 2013. Oh yeah well that's true yeah you're right. He has very few outside hustles other than his own business right what other kind like whatever possibly secret funding he may have or just the advertisers.

Yeah the limerick soap guy his water filtration stuff. The weird device is actually limerick soap. Yeah and I mean it's entirely possible that weird device and the four patriots is a specifically GCN sponsor. That's entirely possible but it doesn't mean that Alex isn't still profiting off of it right and wouldn't have veto power of what sponsors they put on his show like he's made that network viable right.

So it's not like it's not like they would be like hey Alex we're going to put this ad on your show against your will. Right right right you just either it's just either accepts it and courted the sponsorship or he doesn't care doesn't have I would go with has no idea based on based on the ad copy based on weird device dot com it's all you know there's no way that Alex is going to weird device dot com and you definitely know that if anybody tried to explain to him how affiliate

marketing worked he would get very bored and fall asleep. Yeah so it's all over these shows though these ads and I've heard other ones from Frank Bates before like I've heard him do other ad reads in other time periods like it's a sponsor that they've had for for a while it's like having bugs bunny do your spokesperson that's so good I love that he made it up that's so funny. Yeah it's that it's that line too of like where where does

the you got to respect the hustle right where is the line that that ends because I still care about these people even if they're gullible I still care about them as consumers who deserve protection right you know so I don't shut it down Warren come on I don't I don't want them hey there Liz I don't want them being ripped off right at the same time it's a pretty fucking funny story but the shit they're buying is already being ripped off it's of zero value in the first place.

Yeah the fact that any not always any of this vertical integration exists at all is a giant scam. He was selling like guides on how to build your own solar panels. Oh well that actually might be useful. It's not the think progress article the guy talked to experts in the field of panels and he asked is like is this something that you could do and they're like no.

Do well did they read the book. Yeah they reviewed the materials. Oh OK well then then we're in trouble and they were like it would be much cheaper to just buy solar panels then to try and build your own based on the parts that you would need to do this is ridiculous. So anyway I'm not going to have solar panels to buy after the apocalypse happens Dan yeah so that's kind of advertising

that Alex is up to in this 2013 real fun yeah no good and real fun simultaneously and now we get Alex has a guest on this show on the 24th and it's the first time this guest shows up ever on the show really and it's interesting that it happens in this time frame and then simultaneously but I want to go to our guest will play the famous clip of him dressed as a 70s pimp totally obvious with an underage girl telling him she's underage and and and discussing how to get the tax

exemptions and things for his pimping operation and how to run little girls into the U.S. there it is we've all seen that so we'll play it now we'll get to it later in some other clips James O'Keeffe great to have you on again I just salute you you were on the nightly news with Jakari Jackson last week so he's been on the nightly news but he's never been on info wars the info wars proper he's been kicked he's been called up to the major leagues yes and you know it's

it's kind of interesting James O'Keeffe of course the guy who runs project Veritas has become a very big piece not a very big piece he still comes on pretty regularly yeah at least he had I don't I I can't speak to that in 2019 but up until 2018 at least he was definitely around pretty regularly Alex would promote any of the dumb scams he would try and pull the he's a part of the info wars Uthra yeah I'm really consistently flabbergasted anytime his name comes up that

he hasn't he isn't in jail like every time his name comes up I'm like oh well obviously we handled that problem by sending that guy to jail right no he's still making no but he lied and he's lying and he's a liar so it's interesting to me that one of the only things that Alex can really pull from memory that James O'Keeffe has done is going to acorn dressed as a pimp and here's why that's interesting to me there's there's no reason to speak positively in 2013 about what James O'Keeffe

did with acorn which is the Association of Community Organizers for reform now yeah that's one of the most fucked up yeah bullshit see that's what I'm saying shouldn't you be in jail he should be and we'll get to another reason why should be a little bit that one that people don't really know about people do but you forget about it because of all the other fucked up right no shit yeah so after those videos were released they became the biggest fucking thing in the

conservative world Obama had just won the 2008 election and the right was scrambling to find ways to attack him that would stick and one of them was the accusation that acorn had engaged in voter fraud which is just the GOP code for helping poor people vote yeah as opposed to voter fraud which is what the GOP does the videos that O'Keeffe made were not an investigation they were conceived of planned carried out and edited specifically with the explicit purpose of smearing

acorn set in stone from the jump and I say edited for a reason those videos were manipulatively edited to such an absurd absurd extent that the one thing Alex remembers about the video isn't real James O'Keeffe didn't go to acorn dressed as a seventies pimp with a girl dressed like a prostitute they showed up and talked to people in what you might call business casual attire but later added in foot edited in footage of them dressed as a pimp and prostitute

in order to make the viewer think that all the interviews as they were happening with that when they were talking to the acorn worker they want you to think that they were dressed as a pimp and that person was engaged with that someone dressed like that yeah as absurd it's a false framing of the videos it's the only detail that Alex remembers we know that he asked leading questions and edited together the acorn employees answers to make them look bad because a O'Keeffe was

forced to release all the unedited footage in order to avoid being charged with illegally recording people without their consent which is a crime and when all the video footage came out is like oh this is clearly you are leading them down roads and it's nonsense well then I'm glad to know that all of the video footage came out and he was discredited of course and nobody ever paid attention to him again everybody remembers acorn as being one of the no it's

a the nadir really of conservative lies it's I mean it's bad investigations were launched into acorn which consistently found no wrongdoing on the part of the organization and its employees but it didn't matter the damage had been done just by the appearance created by these fucking liars and the GOP successfully pushed for defunding of acorn before the investigations are even concluded as the GOP used acorn to attack Democrats Democrats began to

distance themselves or failed to stand up for the organization which ultimately led to acorn having to close up shop the Democrats what what no no they had to close up shop because they were unable to raise sufficient funds to continue their mission especially with the defunding of government grants and yeah that's it that's essentially a microcosm of politics in America you bet the right makes it up and the left is like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa we can't touch this

anymore and then all the normal people lose their fucking lives yeah great James O'Keefe didn't care about possible human trafficking or voter fraud when he made this video his goal was to make acorn unable to do the work they did because it was a threat to the right wing his actions constituted an intentional and malicious attack on voting rights but in the process he also managed to shudder a group that help people receive fair wages for work receive a quality education

and protect themselves from predatory loaning ultimately the legacy of James O'Keefe's work is crippling a group that existed to help the poor so congratulations to him the acorn videos were a big success as propaganda largely because of the involvement of Andrew Breitbart who discovered O'Keefe and amplified his work and put him on retainer basically for Breitbart it's really hard to look at the sort of all the failed stunts that O'Keefe did before this and how

consistently his stings completely fall apart after the point of Breitbart's death and not think that Andrew's sensibilities and knack for propaganda really had a ton for this acorn campaign succeeding it was the tutelage and mentorship of someone who really was good at that game yeah that made it work and James O'Keefe is coasting on that one win to the present day that constantly has shit blow up like that Roy Moore thing that he tried to pull with the Washington Post yeah that was

ridiculous completely blew up in his face yeah fucking hired Laura Loomer yep like yeah sure yeah no no no and you know what I bet everybody's discredited him forever and nobody's ever gonna pay attention again but no that's not true don't we have it's fun now that we can fucking bang on what wall is that his name Jacob wall yeah that's also Laura Loomer yeah surprise I don't think that Andrew Breitbart liked Alex Jones there's ample opportunity for him to be a guest on Alex's

show before he died and he never did come on they were working for similar propaganda goals so that they would appear to be natural allies that I get a strong sense that Andrew Breitbart didn't want anything to do with Alex and that can explain why in the 2009 period when the acorn videos were hot O'Keefe wasn't on Alex's show either his bread was buttered by Andrew Breitbart but now it's nine months after Breitbart's death and here is O'Keefe spreading his wings a little bit appearing

on Alex's show all the people we run into on this show I think I have the least respect for James O'Keefe if only for how much work he puts into doing absolutely nothing his goals are always destructive towards vulnerable communities and his plans almost always fall apart but he has to put in way more effort into these scams than someone like Alex does with his work Alex just has to pay a staff to write headlines and then he riffs on air and often drunkenly yeah now there are

people who are evil but somehow the fact that James O'Keefe tries as hard as he does singles him out in my mind for a particular level of disrespect I fucking hate that guy yeah he's a little bit like Wiley Coyote if he wasn't chasing a road runner and just it was punching a baby but that was basically it but somehow still manages to miss the baby every time he tries to punch it that would work if he was presently and had been Wiley Coyote for quite a while yeah but then in

Wiley Coyote's backstory was one time he caught it actually caught because someone else helped him yeah I don't know so it you know this is a bad interview and it's mostly pointless yeah because we're trying to track what's going on in this 2013 period but specifically it's about trying to figure out Sandy Hook stuff and James O'Keefe's appearances not really about that and it's just about Alex screaming about James O'Keefe being great being a real

journalist and we don't need to hear that yeah but there is one point that I thought was really interesting and that is this next clip where James O'Keefe talks about something that he got in trouble for in the past and he's completely lying about this situation continue you were talking about how their authoritarians how they're always wanting you arrested for exposing their activities exactly they they there have been a number of occasions where I've been

subpoenaed in most famously there was a huge story where I was in New Orleans investigating Senator Mary Landrieu and she was not answering her constituents phone calls during the health care debate 2010 when and went into the federal building with a camera a recording device and as you pointed out one party can sense can sense state so it's legal to do it in Louisiana but I was in a federal building I was arrested and they're gonna let me go as a journalist

is all you're just there to ask questions and and then they found out that I was the acorn pimp I went into acorn posing as a pep and hooker and and they said well you know based on the senator and these other situations we're gonna have to keep you overnight in federal prison and then I wake up the next day and I found myself charged with some ridiculous felony none of that is true well he did get charged with felony well it wasn't a ridiculous felony that is

actually is a ridiculous what kind of ridiculous felony is it so the reason that James O'Keeffe got arrested for what he did to Mary Landrieu is because what he did was a fucking felony and he is damn lucky he didn't do hard time for it. I'm really mad about that. Yeah, that's it really it sure seems like the conservative guys never go to as much prison as they should of the things that he's done like that one time he tried to lure a reporter on his boat or

whatever it tried seduce her. Yeah, like for a stunt like that that is creepy as hell and I yeah maybe you should go to prison for that. Yeah for sure but this one for sure like I can't believe that he got out of this so he claimed that a bunch of people had told him that they weren't able to reach Landrieu who was then a US senator in Louisiana. Landrieu claimed that people were having difficulty because the phones were quote jammed which makes sense there was a hot button

issue in terms of health care being discussed at that point back in 2010 which would obviously lead to an increased call volume. O'Keefe decided to interpret this explanation of the phones being jammed as actually meaning that Landrieu had said that there was a problem with her phone system. He and three friends then decided to dress up like telephone repairman and lie their way into her offices which is super illegal. That's called entering a federal building under false

pretenses. Once inside according to the FBI they quote manipulated the telephone system which led some to believe that their true intention was to bug her phones. You can't do that. You can't. No you can't not like not even like you can't like you couldn't come here and manipulate your phone device well without us being like this is my cell phone. This is crime. O'Keefe denied that that's what he was doing but ultimately it's hard to see what the goal of this stunt would

have been. She said her phones were really busy so they dress up like telephone employees and mess with the phone system to prove the phones aren't receiving a higher call volume. Their actions don't really make a lot of sense in that context but they make a ton of sense if their goal was to illegally tap her phone. Oh yeah for sure. And here's the thing if they were trying to tap the phones it wouldn't have just been her phone. While they were there on their quote unquote sting they

tried to access the entire building's phone closet which would have probably given them access to many of the phone lines in the building and remember this is a fucking federal building. Other officials government organizations and judges had their offices in that building. It's pretty fucked up to consider what they could have possibly been up to. Ultimately O'Keefe pled guilty to entering a federal building under false pretenses and was lucky to avoid some

kind of like espionage charge. Yeah I was gonna say if you tap a senator's phone I'm pretty sure that's like borderline treason levels of like nope you're you're you're you're it may have been a situation where they were incompetent to a level that saved their lives. Yeah like the Mueller report says about Trump so many times is that he was just too stupid to commit the crimes that he should have. Well you know like Eric Prince was talking not too long ago about the project

Veritas people. Yeah they were they were I couldn't teach them anything. Yeah yeah yeah that was pretty funny. They were unteachable. So James O'Keefe was sentenced to three years probation a hundred hours of community service and a fifteen hundred dollar fine. This is just one of the many instances in his career of him being the living embodiment of the white privilege he insists doesn't exist because anybody else caught in the situation that he was caught in would not we

wouldn't know about them or no or we would have forgotten about them because they would have been imprisoned. They would have been yeah they would have been disappeared. I don't know that disappeared. I'm just yeah wait what year did Guantanamo stop taking new people. 2020 I don't know when the next president gets elected. Yeah so Alex earlier said that you know the Piers Morgan thing was the biggest media event to the last year and he's got a media guy on the show now a

great journalist by the name of James O'Keefe and so he's got to know what James O'Keefe thinks about Alex's appearance on Piers Morgan show. James O'Keefe before we do that you want to comment on my Piers Morgan appearance or the overall attack on guns. I mean I think it takes all kinds you know to make the world go round. Sometimes to get in their faces if what I did was discrediting to gun owners which they tried to spin it. Why have they had me back on other shows. Why was

the producer crying and screaming get out get out get out if it was a defeat for gun owners. My comment on Piers Morgan is I only wish that project Veritas went to his house and asked him to put a sign on his lawn translation. I would like some of that attention. Yep because I've actually done some research and I actually have both of his addresses out there in California. Cool. I think he has one property in Beverly Hills under a different name. I looked in the white page. Maybe you

might see a video from us in the next week or two coming out on that subject. Oh a little sneak peek you're going to be visiting Piers. Maybe. What do you need funding for and I bet you're doing good. Oh yes we do need funding. How about I underwrite you go into Piers house and then I get a plug for info wars dot com. Want some help there. We might be able to talk about that. Yeah. Maybe I'll go to his house. So what we got there is basically Alex offering to pay James O'Keefe to

harass Piers Morgan which again it's all three of them are just assholes. Yeah. I don't know what to do with that. I have no I'm I'm just I'm a big fan of Alex whenever he absolutely fixates on one thing and does not give a shit about what anybody else says anytime James O'Keefe is trying to interject with something else. He's like maybe we should do this. He's like yeah but I want to you need funding. Who cares. I'll go to Piers. I got money. Yeah. Hey also could

you pick up some chicken. Yeah. No that's in the present. He's not into chicken back at this point. I bet he's into chicken. Of course he is. So in this next clip that strategy that they're discussing of like James O'Keefe going over to Piers Morgan's house. Yeah. Targeted harassment. Well I mean on the one hand he's a public figure. I think if there is a legitimate argument of it being a demonstration that I don't I don't know how against it. I am as long as it's done with

it like not you you're not going to go on his private property. Right. If you're demonstrating outside his house or something like on the street. Right. I don't know. You know but it's James O'Keefe. Right. So it's targeted harassment. I don't trust him to operate appropriately. Yeah exactly. That is a concern of mine. But that strategy applied to Piers Morgan. You know you kind of feel like there's a little bit of a I don't know this next one there that wiggle

room or gray area goes away right out the fucking window. What about making the schools gone free and then advertising and hyping it. I mean it's like they're hoping for another mass shooting to get our guns. What. Well that's one of the things that we I thought about doing with this recent citizens against senseless violence mockumentary we made on YouTube. I thought about going to the Sidwell School. This is the school where David Gregory's kids go in Washington as well as

Barack Obama's kids go and I just thought it was too risky because you know their secret services there and smart. It may just be too risky. They probably arrest me immediately and I hope so. But I would have loved to go to the Sidwell School where David Gregory's kids go in and offer them to put a sign up that says this schools is gone free. That's your first amendment right. Maybe I should go there and do that and if they arrest you just to get some more news coverage.

I guess I haven't done that so I guess you don't care that much by principles. Now I would say I want to say that with or without going to the school this conversation on the show does all that that stunt would achieve which is put focus on this school and it's really fucked up to hear these dudes say that sort of thing and act like they're all they're doing is some kind of acceptable gun rights advocacy because isn't what there isn't is yeah even if confused but yeah even if

school shootings weren't a very real issue and even if there were an actual movement happening to take away people's guns what they're joking about is making a public spectacle of a school where children are just trying to learn Sidwell School is not just a little house where Obama and Dick Gregory's children get private instruction. It's a place where over a thousand kids get an education with classes from preschool through high school even if you don't cause someone

to view the school as a target for an attack by these sorts of conversations and the supposed hypothetical actions by singling it out and creating a media storm around it you are hurting children because here's the thing that school is already a target and going through with a stunt like what O'Keeffe is describing is only playing into that and exacerbating the issue on October 18th 2012 Sidwell School was evacuated after receiving an anonymous threat by phone on

October 2nd 2014 the school is evacuated after this discovery of a suspicious package coming on the heels of a man scaling the White House fence armed with a knife beginning in the 20 2008 primaries if not way before Obama and his family have had to live with constant death threats. A large portion of these threats do not limit themselves to just the president they were about killing his family and for James to pretend he's not aware of that is pathetic mere months

before this interview Sasha Malia school was evacuated over a threat to the student body's safety and now O'Keeffe is on air casually joking about planning to do things that would obviously lead to that happening a bunch more this is fucking irresponsible and it's it's just sad it's sad I I don't understand if okay so here's their plan they're going to go to this school and just put an advertisement saying here no gun zone yeah so the idea being when they are shot

up you'll get to go see look at how smart we are we told we told you should have had guns here right but he's saying like hey I'm going to put this school here or this sign here saying there's no guns but I'll probably be arrested by secret service agents who absolutely have guns right there are armed guards everywhere there yeah so because the children that go to this school are targets yeah all because of rhetoric like the stuff you put out into the world yeah but the but I there

but isn't there ultimate goal with this stunt to find to have people get murdered in order to say I told I told you so I think that they would present their desired outcome to be there being guns everywhere but yeah I think that the likelier outcome is people seeing that school as a target yeah yeah that's the whole idea yeah Jesus that's fucked up that's a billboard saying kill these kids yeah it is yeah I find it tough to argue that that's not at least the functional outcome

of what they're talking about if it can't speak to intentions but it does seem like that would be the logical yeah so you know our we're going to jump off here from the 24th because I say the two of them just have a long conversation about nothing and I don't care I'm stupid I'm stupid too right great so we get off the 24th and we jump out of the 25th and this whole thing is supposed to be about trying to figure out the Sandy Hook stuff where bad things happened in Alex's

coverage where his rhetoric took turns and I think that January 25th might be a crucial turning point in Alex's career because he says this new evidence has come out on CNN and I'm going to be airing tonight that's all I've got to say concerning me Sandy Hook shooting you know I have questions about it I always do they have a history of staging these things so I believe and no people were killed there from the evidence we have but there was definitely all the signs this is being managed

that now it's pretty conclusive I'm going to air that tonight I'm shaken to my core right now I mean again every instinct I've got is to flee this country so the the thing that you know he's still saying the people died there but you can tell that there's some sort of a massive shift and he doesn't say what it is on this show and I had to watch a goddamn episode of the nightly news to try and figure out what he's talking about and there wasn't even any information on it

it was just damn it night being boring as hell is new information from CNN right. No no so we don't find out what that is until a little bit later but we will get to that on this episode but just to let everyone know my pain I watched a fucking episode of the nightly news I'm sorry so in this next clip Alex has a big announcement to make and this is huge I can't even tell you I really doubt it this is game change I don't trust you Alex is running a

contest okay now it's now it's true. I said I would announce this a few weeks ago I've just been too busy but it is the biggest contest we've ever had and it is for one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars our new film contest one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars first place one hundred thousand dollar cash prize second place ten thousand that's a big place five thousand and then you will be in a pool in the running to have info wars dot com and our

news operation finance your film to then put it out not just on the internet for free like I've done with all my others but what we've seen the next to Susan and others do putting them in theaters now I've always known how to do this and it's not that I straight from work it's just that I know the model of a lot of Hollywood context as people know Charlie so that is going to be the plan now they may shut everything down by them but regardless a hundred thousand dollars sounds

like a lot of money and it is the biggest contest out there's Doritos it's a hundred thousand so this is the biggest contest next Doritos. Why don't you fucking join the Doritos contest hundred thousand and one dollars come on I would rather do the Doritos contest quite frankly then get in bed with your dumb ass so I can't prove this as it relates to every Alex Jones contest but in this case I can confirm that Alex did actually name a winner in

this contest and presumably did pay out that hundred thousand dollars as a prize because I can find out who this person is and I would assume they'd be crying bloody murder if Alex reneged on the yeah yeah yeah in July 2013 Alex named a short film called purge the winner of the operation Paula Revere contest I watched it and man I can't imagine how bad the other entries must have been really this thing not great I bet the other I bet there were a shit ton of really good ones that got

passed over for purge it started to make me think of how much I wish you would do it again yeah I would love to do one where I just break down how stupid he is yeah to the contest just see if I do watch it so here's my critical review of this film purge that I repeat I watched yeah it's only like 18 minutes so it's not that bad but like I'm going to start with the positives it appears that the film was shot with actual cameras good it's edited with reasonable competence that's

nice that's about it now the negatives the acting is shit the writing is laughable and the message is really muddy and it kind of implies that people need to start killing government agents now it kind of sounded like from the name being purge I assume that some people were going to get purged and if Alex chose this is the winner I well he's not purging some people this is not an episode of gun smoke so it might be not be as satisfying for me to describe the plot to you but here

goes the short film begins at a meeting of the Homeland Security Department where a guy is giving a briefing to a group of like eight people who have unspecified jobs he's giving a description of the situation that the DHS is facing that basically reads like a script written by Alex Jones imagining what DHS and their meetings would be like terrorist terrorist we got to get these patriots yeah military veterans are extremists sure every time someone in the meeting expresses

disapproval of what's being said the speaker whispers in German to his assistant as if to imply that they're Nazis got you the people in the meeting room grow restless and as they talk back they're sent to the other room the other we go to the other room to finish their training all right I like it one is sent for saying that the American people are good one is sent for talking back and another one is sent to the other room for reading an info wars magazine in the middle of the

meeting when asked what he's doing he replies quote getting some real intelligence it's a shameless plug but ultimately probably what one I know I was gonna say that's the smartest thing anybody did in that entire fucking hundred percent that was that that was a call or call it in being like first I want to let you know that I love your products that was exactly that it's not that guy's a genius it's embarrassing in the context of the short film course but you know you get

why he did it the remaining agents are given extremists in their sector to follow they're given dossiers on people one of the agents decides to call one of the extremists she has a file on to see if he's an extremist or not which is crazy that's a good phone call her call to him is laughably written is is a pile of shit quote this is agent Daniel Robbins with the DHS I'm concerned about an operation the DHS is conducted and I'm wondering if I can get some more information from you that's

what she says to the guy that she has a file on okay all right okay is okay I'm going to lead with the information that the DHS is up to something fucked up yeah regarding you specifically exactly can I let me ask you some questions are you an evil person you're not now if you cool that I'm going to betray the government for you you you won the non evil person who I have a file on yeah she offers to meet up and buy him a beer and he's a bit a bit skittish about it but they

agree to meet up at a children's soccer game at night presumably for safety I don't know the DHS is going to kill those kids soccer game at night and they're drinking no they're not drinking oh I thought she was asking her for offered to buy the okay I got you all right so this dude that ends up his name is Roli McMahon he's an absurd idealized version of who the conspiracy types think they are right right of course of course veteran and noble veteran he's cool as a cucumber with a

well-trimmed beard and of course he's portrayed by the director of the well naturally naturally he spouts a ton of federal reserve talking points that agent Robbins and red pills the fuck out of her to anyone not trapped in the Info Wars delusion he sounds like a raving madman but in the film he's a profit all of his ramblings end up coming true and the the rest of the movie plays out pretty much exactly like a dramatization of one of Alex's rants the extremist who's

actually right about everything he gets a heads up message from agent Robbins saying they're coming but she misspells there as T. H. E. I. R. oh no come on guys get your fucking spelling right for God's sakes the short ends with agent Robbins following the agents who are sent to Roli's house to wrap it up she follows them there and kills them another agent who spoke up at the meeting and got sent to the other room shows up at the DHS office and starts killing people

okay it's a really fucked up ending but probably exactly what Alex was looking for yeah hey I'm all for free speech and artistic expression and all that but I would be remiss if I didn't point out how fucked up a fictional short film is like this when it exists on a platform like info wars this isn't a fiction to the info wars audience so when the things reached their natural conclusion and people in the short start murdering the Department of Homeland Security people

it's hard not to imagine that his audience would see that as a happy resolution to the story. Unsurprisingly according to IMDB the director Michael Dorman seems stuck in the corner of show business you might describe as info wars adjacent self produced short films that sounds right so yeah it's really fucked up like the twist at the end of the murdering a bunch of DHS employees yeah that doesn't sound great I actually kind of got a little bit of a flutter like of anxiety

yeah I was watching it because it came out of nowhere it didn't feel like that's how this was going to end because I thought the end would be the purge would be of the DHS employees yeah like stood up for the Patriots right I thought that like the end of it would be fulfilling the paranoia as opposed to the murdering government employees fantasies it's it was weird I think and based on the way you've described it the paranoia didn't really make that much sense

did it no and in fact they just kind of murdered DHS people didn't they well I mean I guess it's a whole lot of the Patriots still did get rolled up like in the the okay you know okay because the DHS just people didn't just go to Roland McMahon okay I got you they were going all over the place like his paranoid fantasies did come true he was only spared by the fact that agent Robbins called you know but even if that's the message of the movie towards the end like a bunch

of people still got rolled up yeah like isn't that what you wish to avoid well the way to avoid that is kill the DHS people before that that does make sense it seems like that's a pretty logical thing to take away from the film now here is my other logical take away from the film okay clearly these people think that they are some level of hero and that they 100% alone are capable of red pilling other PHS agents who have just given the chance right now has the DHS tried

using the first part of that strategy where they call up all these guys and go hey tell me more about yourself and what you want to do I'm part of the DHS and they're doing an odd evil investigation into you guys and then they'll reveal themselves tell all their plots and we'll get you in the honey pot trick in the real world how it would play out is the agent calls this guy they meet up the guy fucking kills the DHS agent no way thinking it's a setup or something no way something goes

bad yeah something goes bad I or I don't know he gets seen with the DHS agent and all his Patriot buddies think he's a snitch and kill him you know there's it doesn't go this way probably not also the problem with the plot of the story is the fantasy purge that happens yeah isn't ever going to happen so no yeah the sort of what is going to happen though is somebody shooting up a DHS office if that's what they think is a good idea it does it does seem like a possible

no not a not a deep yeah not a possible outcome but definitely possible fantasy yeah that would be created for sure I don't know free speech to make whatever kind of art you want to make but shame on you well I mean every time every time these guys talk about guns being for self-defense they always create these fantastical scenarios where in now it's justified I all myself defense rules are are met so now I get to go go out and live my fantasy that's what 90% of Alex's rhetoric boils down

to when you just get deep enough when you when you follow the thread to the end of it yeah it's largely justified violence fantasies yeah so this next guest that comes in here on the twenty-fifth is now suing Alex in the present day it's Jerome Corsi all right and the two of them sit down and it is like a date that is going well this is before he worked at yes he's still working for world net daily at this point and these two I hate to say this because I hate both of them they got

great chemistry that's fantastic because Corsi is a yes and guy yeah so Alex will say something and Corsi's like you bet absolutely piggyback Alex's point that gets Alex excited that gets it like they have a momentum that feeds each other yeah like a lot of guests don't have like a lot of people get interrupted by Alex and it's a speed bump whereas Corsi and him have a dynamic electricity and that makes this very hard to cut clips from because they just go all over the place

they're bouncing off the walls rambling about shit but it's mostly about China suck it okay all right that's not how I thought that was going to go I can't believe it's really happening the bank of China has had meetings with the United States government the plan is set for China to transfer its debt into equity own parts of the United States managed that's official it's official the meetings have happened that's why they said the people's daily a month ago you will

take the guns meetings have happened so so they want the property they know we're going to fight China wants to disarm the United States before this plan is implemented we are being conquered by the globalist leveraging China absolutely China wants us to have this crazy I mean this is so and I want to talk about the military it's a plan the colored pivot theory Obama's plan to bankrupt a man a Soviet globalist commie plan Jesus guys get a fucking room yeah

have you ever heard that that's on cutting heads by the RZA and ODB where they're like trading lines yeah it's going back and forth that's what that feels like yeah it's like they're finishing each other's goddamn sense exactly that is so gross it's like they had a mind belt dynamic yeah I rarely hear like that kind of thing with Alex like someone who's really rolling with his energy yeah it's I mean because of who they are it's deeply upsetting oh yeah is course he

does he sound like that all the time what do you mean I mean he sounded a little bit like he's got a cold and he has he always sounds like okay and he has this like a lilting almost like he's doing arpeggios up and down whenever he talks no that's that's pretty much how he always that's disgusting it's not pleasant so at the end there so I don't know if you caught that whole thing it's like China wants to start controlling parts of the United States as collateral for the debt and

they need to they're gonna take over and that's why they need to take the guns away and then it gets into the clowered and Piven stuff and here is course he talking a little bit more about the clowered and Piven plan and why is he talking about I mean lying the Bank of China has met with the federal government they've said we want to we want assets now for our debt we'll get in the clowered Piven theory drives this because the clowered Piven two sociologists who had a plan they

bankrupt New York in the 70s with this idea overloading welfare so capitalism crashes you blame capitalism you reconstruct socialism that the Chinese come in and show us how to do it the Chinese understand capitalism the way it works and we're just being prepared for it so that that's not true at all the first of all clowered and Piven was is never been enacted by anybody yeah that's nonsense and the clowered and Piven plan we talked about this way back but

so it bears maybe reminding people in case they haven't heard these old episodes it was a plan that a couple of sociologists suggested and the motivation for it was the realization that there are tons and tons of people who are living at poverty levels that aren't taking advantage of social yeah safety programs you know things but for a long time I was probably eligible for food stamps yeah and I didn't take advantage of that program so what they were

suggesting was people being made aware of programs that they qualify for so that they would sign up and so it would become a very large problem the reason for this was not to bankrupt a state or bankrupt the country what it was was to draw attention to the idea that there are so many people who are living in abject poverty it was an attempt to make the system make the government recognize the tremendous size of the problem by making it their problem it that's what

it was and it's never been enacted yeah and anyway it wasn't designed to bankrupt anybody it was designed to make the system recognize the problem that citizens were living in the desperate straits that they were and the only way that you can get the system to pay attention is to force them to pay more money than they want to basically it well at least that's what they see that was yeah that was their theory yeah and so whatever I mean I know course he doesn't

want people to survive no no he's not a big fan of that so great poor people suck haha anyway that's all we're gonna listen to Jerome Corsi and Alex but man it's like I said fireworks yeah you can see why he hired that was crazy good yeah absolutely and it's it's it was way better listening to them bounce off each other because the more course he talked by himself the more he developed that it's almost like the opposite of vocal fry where every time he talks he will

end the sentence down here I told I hate that guy and he's going to talk to you all the way all the way he's a boring dude and he's got a nosebleed or something can't stand up yeah so as Alex keeps going through the show he says this and it really upset me because what I think he's doing is trying to skirt the law well yeah and at the same time advocate that his audience stop taking their meds which is an incredibly dangerous thing to do so I'm gonna come back

and get into the shootings and how he recommends people are able to phase off of serotonin reuptake inhibitors because going right off of them the inserts tell you that will make even go more daffy duck where he bounces around and shoots off into the you know atmosphere or over the horizon stop so I'm no medical doctor the medical doctors we've had on and the psychologist psychiatrist have said that are you know they're awake all they're off these cold

turkey whatever you do I'm not giving that advice that's what they say I'm not giving any medical advice here I'm just going off the research and what I would do so we're gonna talk about the mass shootings how to get off of it so that is as much of him saying get off your meds wow being like that's not what I'm saying hey I'm not telling you search and the awake doctors that we've talked to say which is fucked up who again are all veterinarians for the most

part yeah so even the psychiatrist that advice that Alex is giving well very nimbly skirting legal rules about giving out medical advice is so fucking irresponsible on the one hand it's definitely better to wean off a medication then go off a cold turkey but even tapering off it isn't safe unless you're under the care of a doctor this kind of flippetness is super dangerous and could jeopardize someone's health or even their life the person that he's talking about

because he said he will talk to him person he's talking about in that clip you might assume that it's a doctor or licensed psychiatrist but that assumption would be wrong it's a pharmacist by the name of Ben Fuchs why is Alex interviewing a pharmacist you ask easy answer because Ben Fuchs is a board member of young Jevity the supplement company run by veterinarian Joel Wallach who is one of Alex's main sponsor knew it oh veterinarian again well adjacent he's a pharmacist

oh also Ben Fuchs hosts a show called Bright Side on the Genesis Communications Network talk about synergy it's important to point out that though Ben Fuchs is a licensed pharmacist or at least he was at one period he doesn't have a doctorate or any kind of advanced degree in the field or in any other field he has a bachelor at art of arts in broadcasting and a bachelor of science in pharmacy science I'm taking that information from his own bio on his own website you shall also

know this in 2011 the accreditation council for the pharmacy education in America the organization he changed its policies and made it so a postgraduate degree in pharmacy studies is required for someone to be eligible to take the North American pharmacist license licensure examination so based on current standards Ben Fuchs's education doesn't even qualify him to try to be a pharmacist because a doctorate of pharmacy degree is required to take the test to become a

pharmacist schools in the United States don't even offer a bachelor of pharmacy degree as an accredited thing anymore yeah so to sum it up Ben Fuchs got a degree in 1986 that doesn't exist anymore it doesn't even qualify him to pursue a career in the field of being a pharmacist this man has zero qualifications to be dispensing medical advice and he has at least two conflicts of interests with doing so on Alex's show but that's the thing he's not here to give medical advice

he's here to sell young Jevity products and he doesn't give a fuck about the people who might be hurt by Alex using him to advocate that his listeners go off their meds in the most full-throated way I can possibly express this fuck you Ben Fuchs you can do that there's so many things that are legal that I really don't think are okay like he can just go on be presented as an expert and he has a bachelor's in pharmacy and then 1986 and then what convince people to go off their medications

undoubtedly causing harm upon harm upon harm well I don't know if he well yeah he is kind of yeah to people not being on their meds but he's less irresponsible about it than Alex is because he at least couches so much of it in like you know what's great if you're depressed sunlight yeah so yeah it's yeah anyway what makes this even worse is this is fucking paid time no you know how I know that because listen to this clip Ben Fuchs pharmacist Ben sent Alex the questions to ask

him no and again Ben joins us and I've got some of the questions doesn't send me questions that I should ask so I can understand this better and for people this is just an infomercial I am coming on your show I have told you what I want you to ask me as setups for me to go into whatever topics I want but in this next clip Alex talks about his get off your med shit and I think he times his question about getting off your meds very strategically we gotta go to break but from

my research but you're the big pharmacist and the expert but other experts are telling me after you've been on these drugs a while though it burns you out then they put you usually on more then you're in a hyper awake form of sleep you're in a dream state or daydreaming state but hyper awake having a hallucination and that's why people then go and use a meat cleaver to chop up their one-year-old baby and drink the blood when the woman was a Sunday school teacher will be

right back stay with us so you notice that started off as a question wasn't that a question and then he rambled to the break and I think that's so he can introduce these ideas and sort of pimp Dr. Ben out or pharmacist Ben out a little bit like you know based on what you know yeah associates Ben with what he's saying but doesn't give him any time to respond at the end so like what's he supposed to do but what's been supposed to do you gotta let that happen.

This mic was probably off yeah probably so when Alex comes back he realizes he's been ranting a little bit and so he does this he makes a very courteous offer which is to leave the studio so Ben can talk that is nice of him like this is your radio show now because I'm actually going to turn off the microphone walk out of the room because this gets me so angry and so excited that I'll start cutting into you and the rest of this segment get into the trip to fan and the fact that

they don't you know what's in me they don't want us getting that explain what what who's again what you who's you don't want people getting trip to fan what who is so outlaw Turkey the government the government is actively eroding our Thanksgiving Day tradition I think it has something to do with being against vegetarians it's a war on Christmas Dan really not sure so war on Christmas soon this next clip Alex slut shames some folks from his past and also simultaneously

pretends he went to college I've known women on it and college that were every woman I knew on it was a nymphomaniac I don't want to get into tales here but I didn't like that I want the real woman I want the real personality not like some biological Android what's why does this obviously they want more crazy people so they want to put you on something that makes you crazy and Ben doesn't say no Alex that's a crazy thought your part it's a it's a mess so they get into like

talking about young Jevity products you know it's course it's it's just an ad pitch they I mean you hear him like Ben say things like there's no proof that Sarah Tonan has anything to do with depression it's like a boy alright man whatever because and I don't even care I don't I don't care to discuss his medical claims yeah number one he's not a doctor yeah and number two he's just there as a pitch man yeah and you can hear that sort of play out in this next clip and

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continuing okay basically you're saying get out in the sunshine while you wing yourself off there's different regimens online yourself takes about two months generally depending on the type but you obviously consult one of the physicians problem is the psych psychologists aren't really physicians and they'll they'll tell you stay on it or the their answers more of it will you this isn't working will stack them you know that'll that'll fix it so we're not telling you

what to do I'm saying get out exercise fresh air pray to God that the if you don't believe in that meditate all the study show it works whatever reason praying helps you know there are no atheists and foxholes and what are some of them but I mean why does the study show I've got them right here that the praying helps well relaxation response you know that's the reason why people have religion in the first place I hate you that there's something that can help them that can

take control over their lives I also I do like the idea though that Alex can't yell at him for that yeah because he just said religion exists because it calms you down yeah yeah there's anybody else there would be a hostile exchange but because this guy well what because this guy is paying for his time on the show Alex has to let him impune religion and kind of it kind of almost it kind of almost sounded like a little petulant when he was like I'm just gonna get out of

the studio because it's like this isn't my time no I think that it it wasn't petulance but what you're saying is is right yeah like the idea that like I don't own this time I'm yelling over you because yeah hot and bothered about telling people to stop taking their meds I think that that was it that is behind it the awareness that like this is brokered program yeah but it wasn't like it wasn't him lashing out I don't think is what I'm yeah I think you're

I think you correctly got a fine distinction but they the thing that is so disgusting is even while he's saying like oh you should go talk to your psychologist but they're not really physicians and they're gonna tell you maybe you should stay on it also as if like more as if like going there you know you're going to get the wrong answer right now Alex isn't telling you that it's the wrong answer no no no he would never say that it's the wrong I love his pharmacist Ben

he's just saying that if you go there they're gonna give you the wrong answer right so where are you gonna get the right answer young jeopardy sounds right much like pharmacist Ben also this is sort of missing from Alex's assessment psychologists can't give you meds so psychiatrists can give you right you should probably be more specific with his language yeah so there's a real trend that's going on that pharmacist Ben is trying to present himself as a doctor

and he's trying to use scientific terms gives you the etymology of serotonin great not right about it but he's trying he's trying to be scholarly and like real scientific and medical and Alex is getting weird and there's a strange dynamic that's happening is he getting www.weirddevice.com he's close okay jellyfish we are colony creature you know about that don't you the fact that our tissues make up a colony that's right we're 100 trillion cell colony that's

exactly right that resonates from signals from space now that's in retaliation for you saying that religion is just to calm people down we are DNA you have DNA that are receptors for messages from space I gotta go I gotta go Alex I don't know that is not a course level interaction right there no they got along well because young Jevvie pays the bills but they did not have the same chemistry that course and Alex did proven DNA gives us messages from space so shut up

that was the 25th that was Friday and like Alex said at the beginning of the 25th he said that on the nightly news there was going to be big breaking news about Sandy Hook and like I said I watched that nightly news Alex did not have big breaking news about that so because we're doing this episode and I knew that Alex said on the nightly news there was going to be this information I was like oh well I'll find the information from the nightly news will be good that'll

make the episode or whatever I watched the nightly news it's nothing on there like well now I gotta listen to Sunday see if he comes into studio and says what the news is and here is Alex coming in on Sunday special report why people think Sandy hooks is Sandy Hook is a hoax almost called it Sandy hoax I'm gonna be getting into that yeah we got that right so we all heard that gave me a sense that we're in for something yeah that doesn't sound promising that was in his headline

breakdown at the top of the show he doesn't get into that immediately because he's got other things to riff about and the first is that it's clear that he should be calling for Trump's impeachment if he had any kind of moral clarity and intellectual consistency if you read article one section nine clause eight of the Constitution several other clauses that we have posted up at info wars dot com and prison blood dot com in the federal government declares itself royal video

and under it I have links to these areas it is a felony and an impeachable offense when the president or anyone in the federal government or with the federal commission takes a title of nobility but we've had sitting presidents become united by the way that that a lot of stuff comes with that if they that's a huge payoff no title of nobility shall be granted by the United States and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall with the consent of the

Congress except any president a monument of office or title or of any kind whatsoever from any king prince or foreign state they all take giant speaking gifts million dollar speaking gifts by the Saudis by the emperor of Japan that's why they bow that's why they sell us out and you so if you're going to complain about speaking fees and that that sort of thing then get right with God Alex and also Jimmy Carter sold his fucking small time peanut farm just so he wouldn't be in

violation of the emollient all emoluments clause certainly dead also pretty sure that you have to be British to be United I think that there's a different I believe it's a peer of the state or something along the same you can yeah the Queen can bestow upon you yeah like a friend of the realm or something like that yeah basically but you have a prince of Dorn right have to be British to be a night anyway so we get now to the big news about the Sandy Hook I mean hook nice

Alex's nicely dead I do think that was an actual slip yeah no I agree I don't think that was intentional but it does speak to where his mind is at yeah that sounds like he's a speaking New York Post headlines now where it's just Sandy hoax with a question mark big old question yeah except it's not a question mark for him anymore I have not gone there that there's actors and blue screen and it's all fake until I actually confirmed we caught him CNN and blue screen and

got the I got the video that their original video that's the one and a bunch of the stuff it looks really bad and this even shakes me up I mean I say in the video is everything got to be a conspiracy I mean you think I'm the one who thinks everything's a conspiracy yeah I cannot believe how bold these people are and when I saw this blue screen thing I said that can't be real and I went and looked it up and it was the it was the CNN video and I show you the rest of stuff it's it's

pretty damning so it's the CNN Anderson Cooper video that is very well explained has shaken Alex to his core he wasn't going there with the actor stuff but now everything has changed he has turned a corner here on January 27th 2013 this is pathetic I cannot handle him having an exasperated tone when he says everything to be a conspiracy says everything no Alex no it doesn't does everything have to be an opportunity for you or a ton of money you're the you're the

reason it's hard also not to hear this shift coming only a couple days after they had James Tracy on and recognize the profitability the 10.6 million views and also a few days after Alex did that terrible display with the Lone Star college shooting like it it's really hard not to see this video the CNN Anderson Cooper video is being more of an excuse than it is actual evidence yeah to Alex it does it does feel a little artificial so Alex is still a little bit ambivalent

you can tell that something's changed and the direction of his content is going to be towards that actors idea yeah I show you the rest of stuff it's it's pretty damning I don't know what's going on but it looks bad that's all I'm gonna say and I have real federal sources who said look into it they think it's fake too so there's a lot of good people in the system so he has real sources the he does have to make clear these are real sources yeah which makes me think they're

not real sources as opposed to his other sources yeah because we they're saying it's fake so he's got he's got reinforcement for whatever pivot he's going to make towards this it's good to know that there are some good people in the system right so he does a real sources that he has that he's talking to which is important to remember because on this twenty seventh Alex gets a caller towards the end of the show and this guy might be someone who Alex thinks is a real source now Jack in

Texas you're on the air moving quick here go ahead Alex is very important I have absolute proof of an imminent flag attack in Syria I mean Israel says they've got to invade because I'm not talking about documents I have absolute proof I can send it to you right now I'm in Terrell Texas not going to be here very long I can meet with your people this is imminent this is happening right now I have absolute proof I can't meet with every person

that says it's imminent I mean everything everything I can right now so you're in the army no sir I am calling on behalf of 4chan.org the politically incorrect board oh interesting really interesting this is in 2013 2013 God damn it isn't that interesting a caller is calling in with proof of an imminent false flag attack in Syria on the chemical weapons that he's getting from 4chan so this caller is trying to seed this information with Alex

that there are these documents that are proving the false flag is coming in Syria and the information is from 4chan nothing is really all that different back then really it's weird the more you look at it the more the pretty similar it is even though some of the external appearances of things have changed quite a bit so the case of this information is actually really interesting the caller is saying that the documents have come from a hack he goes on to explain this

that they came from a hack of a group called Britam defenses and it is apparently true that that firm was the victim of a cyber intrusion so that you know there is some real-world basis for this yeah for sure much of the information that was leaked afterwards was legitimate they ended up getting put even the stuff that was on 4chan a lot of the documents that came out were legitimate however experts who studied the leak are certain that the document about a pending false flag in

Syria is fake was fabricated specifically to be put in this leak and was planted there yeah in fact Britam defenses sued the Daily Mail for posting a story about this document and won winning a settlement of 110,000 pounds for libel interestingly Alex posted an article about this that is no longer online I wonder if that has something to do with this man so the fact that this fake document was planted into a legitimate leak of hacked documents really calls into

question who it was who carried this out it doesn't seem like it would be some random person or low skilled hacking group since Britam was penetrated as part of the operation the only real motive for inserting the false document which is the one that was publicized using the other documents as support like people weren't talking about the other documents yeah it was this specifically fake one right was the one that got all of the media push it's what this caller is calling in to

try and sell Alex right the only motive is to make any chemical attacks that Assad might commit immediately be suspected as false flags and the only people who would really have that kind of a motive would be pro Assad entities the list is pretty short um let's see so extremely powerful hacking capabilities or at least sophisticated fairly sophisticated yeah pro Assad interested in seeding propaganda narratives right right wing communities right uses for chance for

dissemination smart smart way of backing up their boy there's just nobody I can think of not a single person no and and wait probably a coincidence that after this Putin frequently made arguments that the chemical attacks that did were false flags probably a coincidence it's probably a real coincidence this that this happened after Putin became president again that's so that's so coincidental man that it would happen like that I don't I mean I don't know it's one it's one thing

to say that oh it looks good you know there are a lot of elements of this that do make it look like huh yeah feels like Russia might have been had a had a hand in that yeah but at the same time it's entirely possible they did oh no it could it's it's also entirely possible that somebody from fortune wanted to fuck around yeah it's you know to jump to that conclusion due to alliances history patterns but that doesn't prove anything no I tell it hasn't been proven who

necessarily was behind right but whatever the case is this caller probably unknowingly is actually good for 1.0 could have been Alex is getting this call and I don't think that the caller knows that that document is fake because that could be wild that doesn't sound that would be insane it's it's actually yeah what's actually Putin on the phone right now English is great yeah he's doing great these days this caller is trying to trick Alex about something he's been

tricked about it's fascinating the layers of bullshit that are going on and what's even more interesting is that Alex buys it hook line and here's Alex's response. Why don't you scan those in put them up to YouTube and again fortune is just is just you understand anonymous can be good it can be bad but a lot of times it's it's government sock puppets you understand that I understand that Alex look I'm sending it to you at show tips dot info at show tips

and infowars dot com you look at it you be the judge I'm telling you this is damning this is what you're sending it you're sending it right now I'm sending it right now God help me I'm probably signing my own death no you're not listen I listen listen listen I just send it to show tips at info words dot com it was just I mean who knows if it's even real so it's quick thinking they're gonna get you they don't have real power listen God bless you my friend I

appreciate your call that is so demonstrative that Alex doesn't believe the bullshit he sells on his show the way you so dismissive of this caller like and the way he's like they don't have real power you're not gonna kill you yeah what if the information was real what if this guy did have some sort of secret information that he could be killed for disseminating Alex you know come on if there's anything we know Alex is far more careful with the sources

than the intercept it's an insane level of distrust of his own audience which I think is healthy but it doesn't match how Alex presents himself well it it I'm gonna ask you this cuz I could go either way on this at this point does Alex know that he has a show tip email address yeah okay yeah he talks about it a lot right so when Alex says okay posted to YouTube well I think he was just trying to be like hey why don't you do farm this out yourself yeah like why don't

you why don't you get this ball rolling then I'll cover your video yeah that's what I was saying yeah he's deliberately saying don't send it to me I don't want to create more work for Paul yeah Paul Watson's busy for put upon Paul Watson yeah now what I thought was interesting was I heard that and Alex being like now you know this is you know there's good information there's bad information that comes out of anonymous sources you know it's a lot of government sock puppets

I heard that and I immediately I don't know why but I immediately was like he's gonna fucking report this is a story like I just knew I had a hunch and so I had to listen to the 28th because I was like I'm Garrett I positive he's gonna report this so from from time to call to when does he report it I was certain who's gonna be the next day yeah and here's what happens on the 28th we got a call yesterday about hacked emails out of a big British defense contractor Paul Watson's gone over

the cash in its scans of passports you name it there's thousands of pages if it is a hoax it's an elaborate hoax Watson who's got a pretty good nose for these things thinks it's real at least most of it they also mix garbage in and the reason I think it has credibility is it dovetails or something we've been covering for a year so he Alex is literally completely right the yeah they mix in fake stuff yeah but everything that surrounds that caveat is to get

people to not think that's the case right Paul Watson he knows a lot about this stuff he thinks it looks good he's scanned over it it checks out if it's a hoax it's an elaborate one which is super unlikely guys and you know what I think it's credible because it matches up with things that I've said in the past which is support of Assad yeah it's like man you you just you you got tricked yeah he went to bed he woke up the next day and was like I'm fucking running with it

I mean in his defense I hate saying that but so the fuck did a lot of other people sure a lot of people got tricked I'm sure you know I'm sure I'm I'm I'm I don't have a scorecard of how you responded necessarily and all I'm interested in is Alex yeah yeah yeah fair and he did get tricked and it's really nice for me to have my instincts so clearly vindicated like the fact that I'm listening to this I'm like here we go and then Alex throws me a curveball by being like

it's usually government talk puppets it's not you know hey you're not going to get killed who gives a fuck don't worry about it kid this callers real this callers real next day he's dead it looks good you know I got to say so sorry sorry dude you shouldn't have sent us that I guess you're dead now by the way to like the the fabricated document is is not good yeah the if people did get tricked by it it's bad because it is just on its face pretty absurd yeah because part of

it is an email that was sent about like hey we got to go ahead for a false flag basically okay sure who would send that email so it's it's our contracts it's the antifa contracts all over exactly okay so even if other people did get tricked by it they wanted to be tricked yeah and Alex scanning this and being like it checks out you know it looks pretty good it indicates that he looked at it was like we can work with this yeah so anyway the rest of the 28th is

mostly Alex just saying oh we're going to get to calls and rant about nothing so it's it's not worth listening to he can't get to calls he's already sentenced one of his sources to death by ignoring him on day one that dude's dead every every single subsequent caller maybe calling with relevant information we got a body out of Texas gotta play low yeah it's it's pretty crazy that episode was I mean there are moments that are kind of bordering on entertaining because Alex is just stretching

it out it's the thinnest broth ever it's just just constant nonsense but globalists want your guns or such standard stuff got him we're not gonna listen to anything more of that and we are through the 28th here and that's you know I think I think that there's massive progress here in this in this time span but also just like I look back at this episode and I think trash not our episode but looking back at like the experience of listening to all of these episodes it's just a

wall of trash yeah you got fucking Jerome Corsi and Alex hitting it off having a great time I think trash yeah I I see pharmacist Ben coming in Alex using him as a as a sign post to get people to stop taking their medication I think trash I haven't we get a caller who calls in with 4chan fucking documents they're clearly fabricated do not speak ill of the dead Dan I'm sorry but that's trash you got the fucking Operation Paul Revere contest that ends up that 18

minute video that I had to watch oh that was trash trash he had James O'Keeffe showing up for the first time James existing is trash trash trash everything sucks I disagree with you on one point what's that I really did find it cute when he and Jerome Corsi got into that little thing there I was I like seeing people excited about him I'm not so jaded that I don't agree with you there's something there's something to that I don't know why I'm just listening to that

going like you guys are having a great time but it's like if you saw Lex Luthor and the Joker getting along really well or something like that you see that's a good point like oh this doesn't bode well that is a good point you see two people with ill will who are make a career out of tricking people right and you're like oh well a couple of villains are getting along and that means they might combine their efforts yeah what was the lead the Legion of Doom from the 60s Justice League

cartoon or whatever yeah it's very Cobra yeah oh boy so yeah even that while there is a human likeness to it it's it's ugly so all that is just trash to me and I listen to it you know like if you look at this it's 24th 25th 27th and 28th what is that like five to 15 hours yeah of trash I had to listen to yeah but it's worth it because you scatter that trash you kick it aside clean your room like Jordan Peterson to tell you to do sure and what's left after you clean your room is

Alex rationalizing and pivoting on Sandy Hook on the 27th and I think that that is a crucially important date that we have isolated just Alex learning about that sea CNN video with Anderson Anderson Cooper's nose being the justification that he needs to say that things were fake and their actors and so I think that's going to I think that we're going to see a real real fall off a real really big Alex being a piece of shit I think that's coming real

soon man God I hate James O'Keeffe everybody everybody so far in this in our episode that you've curated has provided false evidence yeah yeah they're all frauds yeah to the point of like crime yeah I think I think a lot of these people in a just world would not be free yeah Jerome Corsi pharmacist Ben James O'Keeffe they all have been massively irresponsible and betrayed the public trust and that's why Alex says that this show is a call a college of

evil that that actually does make three of them are great professors that in a college of evil that really does make perfect sense yeah they got tenure in that college wow so maybe that out of context drop makes way more sense than Alex thinks it really does yeah so we come to the end of this and all I can say is we'll be back on Wednesday but until then we got a website we do it's knowledge fight dot com we also are on Twitter at the gender score fight I'm at go to bed Jordan

we are on Facebook we are in Facebook also on it to you could go there you can download places that podcasts happen mm-hmm I don't want to I don't want to say anything good about any of the people on this show no none zero there are no positives here there are no heroes wait there was one here wasn't there I don't think so definitely not oh yeah no Sam Elliott for not doing the voice over for that shitty commercial okay for weird devoid weird

device that are you comfortable saying that Sam Elliott has never killed anybody oh no trace cowboys no that makes you think yeah that maybe who cares Sam Elliott's probably not killed anybody but one guy who technically has Alex Jones Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding so Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you