Knowledge Fight - #303: January 29-31, 2013

Episode Date: May 31, 2019

Alex Jones was out of studio on the day when Robert Mueller gave his press conference, so today, Dan and Jordan stick around in 2013 to continue their look into how Alex behaved in the aftermath of Sandy Hook. In this installment, we learn about a perilous vacation Alex took to Big Bend National Park, experience some real disgraceful bigotry and some equally disgraceful salesmanship.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan? Jordan. When was the last time you were on a boat? Slash, have you ever been on a boat? Great question. Oh, for a friend of the show and your friend, Matt Riggs, is a bachelor party. There was a little bit of a boat excursion into a lake, whereas deeply hung over.

I was swimming around, and I famously declared that I belong in the water. Famously. Famously. All across the land, people know. I was built to swim. I love being in that water. I think it was just the hangover. It was relieved by the cool water. I don't know. I'm not generally on a boat. I don't go down to Belmont Harbor, go out on Lake Michigan. I don't have a yacht. Nope. Nope. I don't understand anybody who owns a boat in Chicago, other than they are the richest people. That's, to me, the idea of owning a boat in Chicago is the richest person thing you can do. Yeah. I've thought about it, like not in terms of actually thought about it, but I imagined

what it would be like. And the pain in the ass that it would be just like, you have to dock it during the winter. Like, it just, it seems insane. See, the reason that you have to be, I think of it that way is because it feels like you have to hire somebody to handle all of the bullshit. You gotta have a boat guy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it feels that way. I don't know. Anyway, we're not boat folks, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me. That's what this show is kind of about. So we're back from our wacky Wednesday adventure. I think we've gotten a number of new folks into the show lately, because I did get a number of messages from people expressing like, what the fuck is this? Not in an angry way, but there was

some confusion about why we were talking about something that wasn't Alex Jones. Well, it's good to know we have new listeners. Yeah, no, that is very nice. But I apologize for any confusion about that. We are back to Alex Jones today. We were back in 2013. And one of the reasons for that is, of course, huge news broke in the middle of the week. That is that Mueller came out and gave that press conference where he was kind of poking the most noncommittal bullshit that obviously means please impeach the president. He committed all those crimes. There was a feeling of a cough before a lot of the sentences. Yeah, a little bit of it. But we cannot. We can't not say that he didn't do a crime. Right. And so obviously, okay, this is going to be great. Alex is going to have

a real unhinged response to this. Of course. But on Wednesday, Owen Schreuer hosted the show. Alex was in every fucking time. Yeah. And so we have to record this on Thursday to put out on Friday. And so Alex is back in studio on Thursday, but there's not enough time to prepare an episode now in order to get it out on time. So Monday, we'll get back to it. But also I have a really strong prediction that it's not going to be that interesting. He already has a Mueller is a fucking trader for the chai comms narrative built in. So what is what is this going to change? Yeah, it could just like make him more desperate seeming or whatever. So isn't isn't their job though less to like opine about how awful Mueller is Mueller and more be like, hey, the, you know, he said a

bunch of stuff. But the report really basically means this, you don't need to read it. Please, if you are a Republican or a conservative or a patriot, do not actually read the report because it will tell you things that maybe you shouldn't know. It's diversionary in Alex's role. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. Like none of it matters. None of it matters. Well, I mean, especially for Alex's coverage of it, you already know what it's going to be. It could be either a more ramped up version of it or exactly what he's been saying all along. Yeah. So I'm not super excited about that, but we will get to that on Monday. We'll do a present day episode on Monday when we have more of the information in front of us. But for now, we're back in the past in 2013 to check out

what Alex is doing in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and his coverage of it. Today we're going over January 29th through 31st. So we're finishing up January. About God damn excited to jump into February. Yes, the greatest of months. It's a good one. It's short. That's all I got to say about February. I assume, I assume Alex is going to devote the entire month of February in 2013 to Black History Month and he's really going to go through a lot of the different things. You might change your tune after we listen to this episode earlier today. I found out that, you know, the very first stand-up comedian was, uh, was, uh, Black is, uh, Kate, I believe. How long have you been doing stand-up? 30,000 years. Good, good that you know your craft. I know, right? So, uh, before we get into today's

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We would appreciate it. It would be very kind. So, one thing that's important to remember about this time period right here, this January 29th specifically, is that we've crossed a line of demarcation. First of all, we've had Alex on the last episode say very clearly, I haven't gotten into these actor theories and these people saying that they were actors at Sandy Hook and these people, these victims aren't victims, but now I've seen the CNN footage where Anderson Cooper's nose disappeared. His nose disappeared. That's 100% proof. Well, Alex hasn't committed to that in any meaningful way yet. He has signaled that he is supportive of those theories, which is building upon him having Professor James Tracy on as a guest to be interviewed by Paul Joseph Watson.

And so the trend is very clear. It's immensely annoying how it's like these little tiny baby steps towards it. And I just want him to like fucking jump in or just or don't just quit it. Perhaps more importantly than any of his actual coverage, we are now at the point where Lenny Posner has sent Alex an email telling him to stop. Gotcha. So we are past the point where he has gotten in contact with Alex and made info wars aware of the fact that their coverage is having a negative impact on their lives. Yeah. So everything after this point, we can really take away any kind of illusion that he doesn't know the effect he's having on people. Right. Right. And to know that it only gets worse from here. Kind of. I mean, that paints a bad picture. Yeah, this moves us

further on the spectrum of stupid slash evil towards the evil. Yeah. Like once you get that email, then you're responsible for everything. You should do a lot of soul searching. Yeah, you get an email like that. Yeah. But we'll get into today's episode. But first here's an outer context drop. I am the Piranha of Liberty, gnashing my little teeth together in anger against the globalist. Great. Is that good? Yeah. Is that a positive? No, that's great. Is that a positive? He's the Piranha of Liberty, which is what I'm going to call him from now on. I'm the candiru of freedom. I don't know what to tell you. If I ever meet him, just swimming up the urine stream of evil. I make this promise to our listeners. If I ever meet Alex Jones, I'll be like, holy

shit, the Piranha of Liberty. You gnashing your little teeth? Uh-oh. We got a new tattoo Patreon. Oh, no. Liberty Piranha. All right. So let's jump in. Here we are on the 29th. I never expect anything to delight me when I go back into the past or even in the present and look at Alex Jones. But here's something that I found delightful and we'll see if you can figure out why. Because I love film. I really want to make a powerful cinematic film. I'm not going to sell wine until it's time, as Orson Welles used to say. We will sell no wine until it's time. Why does this delight me? Well, because that does kind of imply that none of his previous documentaries have been powerful cinematic films. That's delightful in some ways,

but that's not why. Okay. He's quoting Orson Welles, but he's not quoting Orson Welles from a movie or a speech. He's quoting Orson Welles from the Paul Masson commercial. That can't be real. That can't be real. We will sell no wine before it's time is the tagline of Paul Masson winery, which if you guys, I would play this audio on the show, but it's so visual. Go, if you haven't watched it, go on YouTube and watch the outtakes of Orson Welles trying to fill the Paul Masson commercial. Was it from that commercial? It was the one where he was drunk off of his ass. He's quoting the one from where he's drunk off his ass. As Orson Welles said. Famously in a drunken commercial. It's nuts to me that he's, he's passing off a quote of

of Orson Welles that is actually just a wine slogan from a commercial that he probably saw when he was a kid. That's like a, that's the Orson Welles from Animaniacs type of situation. Yeah. If I were quoting Orson Welles country goodness and green penis. All right. Just a handful for the road. Good. That's a, that's Maurice LaMarche, I believe. I believe so. I don't know why. I know voice actors somehow. Well, cause you're a dork. No, I know them too. I'm not judging you. So in this next clip, we get an interesting difference between present day Alex and 2013 Alex. And that is that he doesn't seem to value social media really all that much in 2013. And in this next clip, it's funny to hear him say

these sorts of things about Facebook, for example, and know that in the present day, he's arguing that one cannot operate without Facebook and it's the public square and it needs to be regulated as a utility. Yeah. This is the definition of you don't know what you've got until it's gone. Facebook is a joke. People say, well, then why are you on it? We're using the enemy operation, the enemy combine, the enemy system, the enemy data relay to, to jack into their matrix and try to warn people inside of it. And that's what it is folks. This is a war. And if I can seize their weapons systems and use them against them, I'll do it all day long. Now, certainly he still believes those sorts of things. Yeah. About about Facebook, like the ideas of it being the

enemy system and, and all that. But he does not seem to have any concern about the idea of it being something you're entitled to be on in 2013 seems like that's changed quite a bit. Maybe because he got on it in his business model shifted so heavily towards the need for sensationalist promotion on social media, grabbing attention, clickbait. Yeah. And without it, things fall apart. Whereas it wasn't so dependent on that back when Ted Anderson still had a fucking gold license. Yeah, you can't make clickbait if you can't put it somewhere where people will click. It's a problem. And that's a problem with making that a cornerstone of your marketing. Yeah. Yeah, which we very much haven't on account of our complete lack of social media.

Kick us off social media. Can't even muster the energy to tweet. I just want to be in the water. Famously, I just sit here and I can open up Twitter and I try and type a promotional tweet and was like, just thinking about a lake. You are the hungover piranha of lakes. That's true. Mesh in my little teeth against retweets, reading things where people are talking shit about Dave Rubin. That's all I want to do. So in this next clip from the 29th, we get a really depressing caller. This caller bummed me out. Okay, I feel very bad for him. And I feel like Alex is deeply exploited. You feel bad for the caller. I do. Okay. Now, I probably wouldn't like them much, but I also feel very bad for them. So God bless you. Anything

else you want to add? Yeah, I completely agree. I just wanted to tell everybody I live on a $900 a month income. I spend as much money as I can on info wars.com. Last month I bought one of your shirts. I bought every one of your hats. Anything I'm going to join the Paul Revere contest. I'm going to do anything I'm considering moving to Austin just to just to be closer to your operation. He's disabled. That part of the clip wasn't in there. He's living on disability at $900 a month. Yeah, he's bought tons of Alex's merch. And Alex, that should be a crime, but Alex also doesn't respond to him by being like, you should stop. Yeah, no kidding. You need to take care of yourself. That's, you know, you're on a fixed income. Don't waste it on multiple come and take

it shotgun shirts. Yeah. Well, if Jim Baker didn't exploit specifically, like Jim Baker is not giving back a dime from all of the people who make $900 a month and give it to him. So, well, what do you mean? Of course, no con man is given is going to say like, but Alex is through his Paul Revere contest that we know how it ended with the purge. Maybe he won. He didn't. Are you sure? I don't believe so. But yeah, I mean, that just bums me out. Bums me the fuck out. That is a bummer. Yeah. So we get another caller and he bums me out for a different reason, but it's also a really interesting. I make $10,000 a month. That wouldn't bum me at all. No, of course not. No, it's because of the content that he brings up, but it also offers us a glimpse that I think is really

interesting into another huge difference between 2013 Alex and present day Alex. One, we have didn't give a shit about Facebook back then thinks he's entitled to it now. Of course. Here is another one. And this has to do with his rhetoric and worldview. I did have another point. I wanted to ask you if you've ever heard of a man named Walid Shobat. No, I haven't. He wrote a book called God's War on Terror, and he's a former Muslim terrorist. And anyway, I just thought he would be a really good interview for you to have him on. He basically the conversion that he had to Christianity was amazing. I mean, because he was a full blown. I mean, he was, you know, killing people for Islam, but you really ought to read that book. God's War on Terror.

No, I hear you. I will certainly look into it. Thank you for the call and God bless you, sir. Glad you got on. He doesn't care about Islamophobia. He doesn't have that as a primary driver of his content and of what he feels. So a call like that nowadays would be like, and not only that, I'm going to yell for 10 minutes about this. It doesn't. He's like, yeah, thanks for the call. Maybe I'll read that book. You can't trust them. They don't ever convert to Christianity because they are held by the blood and the God and the coming apocalypse. Yeah, it's very different than how he would respond today. Now, Walid Shobat was a guy who was he started making the rounds and right wing circles in the early mid 2000s. As the story goes, Shobat was a terrorist

working for the Palestinian Liberation Organization. He claims that he was a terrorist and he was responsible for firebombing an Israeli bank called the Bank, Louie Me. Okay, can I interject for one second? Yeah, when he told me that he was a former terrorist who wrote a book called God's War on Terror and he converted to Christianity, my suspicion is he is not real or not telling the truth. Well, let's see. So he claims he firebombed that church. He claimed he was locked up by the Israeli police. And after his release, he came to the United States and went to college here in Chicago, ultimately becoming a US citizen and converting to Christianity in 1993. That in 2005, he began his publishing career with a book called Why I Left Jihad, The Root of Terrorism and the

Return of Radical Islam. He has said that he began to get more active in this line of work around 9 11, because he saw the outcome of terrorist activity that he had surrounded himself with. In 2009, he brought in over $500,000 on the lecture circuit, as well as from the sale of his merch. Interestingly, one of his clients was the US Department of Homeland Security, who paid him to give speeches where he said things like quote, all Islamic organizations in America should be the number one enemy, all of them. But here's the problem. Shobat's story involves specifics, and those specifics can be investigated. And when they are, they turn out not to be true. Never ever put specifics in there if you're full of shit. So because of these specifics, if you do

look into them and they're not true, that introduces a huge credibility problem. There's no evidence that Shobat was ever involved in terrorism. Bank Lueme has gone on the record and said that there was no firebombing that could match the description and timeframe of the attack Shobat claims to have carried out. The Israeli government has stated clearly that they have no record of him ever being arrested or jailed. His family members have said that his story just doesn't make sense. And of course, his story doesn't make sense. How would that even work? A guy firebombs an Israeli bank gets caught then has no trouble heading to the United States and becoming a citizen, especially in that time period. Yeah, the story stretches its credulity on its face.

And when the claims are more closely examined, they don't seem to reflect reality at all. Now, what I find interesting is that I do believe one part of Shobat's story, namely that 9 11 was a turning point for him. The DHS was spending money like crazy. And as the war on terror ramped up in the following years, there was so much money on the table for a former terrorist who could give a glimpse into the mindset of this country's supposed enemy. When there are no records to support the backstory you make up, you can claim that, you know, you're using a fake name to elude the PLO terrorists who have a bounty on your head. When your family members say unequivocally that you are not using a fake name, you can claim that they themselves are terrorist sympathizers

who hate you for converting to Christianity. There's always a way out of the corner as long as you're willing to be a huge asshole, which seems to be what a well-lead Shobat has done. Yeah, he saw the grift and he went for it. It appears that way. Yeah, you know, and he's spreading bullshit anti-Muslim propaganda and taking advantage of it. But, you know, there's a market for it, I guess, capitalism. The Department of Homeland Security. Yeah. In the course of his career, Shobat tricked a whole lot of people into thinking he was some kind of an expert on terrorism and he made a pretty profit off it. In 2008, he was soliciting donations to the Waleed Shobat Foundation, which he claimed was registered as a charity in Pennsylvania,

although the Pennsylvania State Attorney's Office has said that there's no such record of registration, which of course raises some pretty serious questions. But the biggest questions need to be directed towards how it was so easy for someone who is so clearly kind of in favor of terrorism to be boosted as an expert in counter-terrorism. For example, after the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, he said, quote, the only ones moaning over 50 gays slaughtered are liberals, idiots, and gay lovers. I don't care about gays who are Muslim-loving anti-gun liberals. Stupid people who hate life die. Stupid people who hate life always die. After the Charlie Hebdo shooting, he applauded the terrorist attack because the magazine had,

quote, insulted the Virgin Mary. Like, this is ridiculous shit. All right. All right. He's he's a little bit all over the place. A little bit. He's a little bit all over the place. Thus, it should be no surprise that he's a big supporter of Trump and that his son Theodore has explicitly called for Trump to establish a, quote, Christian supremacist society, saying that in that society that he wants to be created, there would be, quote, no free reign for homosexuals. There's no liberation for perversity and debasiveness. And just downright

weird mutant psychos walking around with clipped liberal dick hair and men dressing up as women and all that sick psycho shit stuff. People who flaunt the Koran in a Christian society would be arrested at times put to death. In the present day, Waleed and his son are spouting shit that sounds really similar to a lot of the stuff that comes out of Alex's mouth pretty regularly. But what's interesting to me is that if you listen to that clip of Alex talking to the caller, like I said, he's not interested in this dude at all. No. He doesn't know who he is. Even though Waleed has been agitating against Islam for years at this

point and the caller is bringing up his third book, Islamophobia is not a primary part of Alex's marketing strategy in 2013, which I have to assume is largely because he didn't realize something that Waleed knew from day one. And that is that this is a super lucrative business to me. And he just hasn't gotten on board yet. That's my guess. And so it's kind of ironic that he's lying about being a terrorist in the beginning. And then later on, he becomes essentially a terrorist for Christians. Or at least an apologist, in the same way Alex is. You know, we become what we pretend.

Yeah. The mask that we wear too long becomes our face. Yeah, to an extent. I think I think there's more just like if you don't have a real good through line and you're just making shit up, eventually the worst parts of yourself will become amplified. Yeah, I think I think that's something along those lines. So Alex gets another caller and it's a British guy who Alex is certain is doing a fake accent. Yeah, I don't think he is. Okay, we'll find out.

I really don't think he is because he does seem to have a pretty good handle on British affairs, let's say. Okay. And he's just embarrassing Alex all over the place. Okay. Because Alex keeps trying to bring up the things he thinks about, like, let's say the royal family or anything about Britain. And every single time this guy's like, well, actually, Alex, that's not quite true.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here is a clip. He's just dunking. Here is a clip of Alex getting embarrassed by a British guy who he thinks is doing a fake accent, but is actually pointing out that Alex has no idea about the royal family. It's just that at the heart of so much of the New World Order we see being pushed is the Transylvanian royalty that you've got perched over there in London. It's not actually Transylvanian.

It's actually a German family. But at the same time, there is British as anyone else that moves to Britain 200 years ago. That's what I called in. The point is, I think that, and I, like I said, the accent a little. You know the German house they hail out of is originally Transylvanian. Actually, it's kind of more mixed than that. Well, it is mixed. But I mean, one of their oldest bloodlines is Transylvanian.

And that's the one Prince Charles says he's most proud of. He says he's Transylvanian in news articles and you know, he's moved there and then runs around in the woods. On the other hand, I have descended from the stewards. So I wouldn't concern myself too much. You are a royal. No, no, they were kicked out. So you like Henry VIII. No, that's the tutors.

Stewards, the tutors, the pooters. Go ahead. That's embarrassing. What a child. That's pretty embarrassing. What a child. This guy just by knowing what he's talking about is embarrassing the shit out of Alex. Now he, Alex talks to this guy for a very long time, probably way longer than he needed to.

Right. I think one of the reasons is because it gives Alex an opportunity to go. Yeah. And like make fun of his accent, which I think Alex is enjoying. And I think that Alex thinks that he's making good points. You, you think so? I think so. Because what I'm hearing if from this, my guess is it's a long interview because it's,

it's like a comic trying to get off stage on a big laugh. Like he wants, he's, he keeps getting dunked on. So he's got to, he's got to get that big like win before it goes. I think it's less that more like he thinks, well, maybe, but I would merge our two ideas. Okay. I think it's a possibility he's looking for a big laugh, but he also wants that big laugh to come at the expense of making fun of this guy's accent. Yeah, of course.

So it, it's sort of both. Yeah. Yeah. But it reaches a point of intolerability. And like I said, this call goes on a while and at no point does Alex seem like he wants to hang up on him. He, he does, he seems like he wants to keep going because the guy is expressing an idea about, um, he's defending royalty and being royalists, uh, and monarchists.

And Alex is very against that because he hates kings. Well, of course. But because this guy knows what he's talking about, he's, he gets Alex to say like, well, yeah, you know, I guess, you know, being into the royals is kind of okay. Cause you know, like UKIP, they're nationalists, but they believe in the royalty as a nationalist thing. It's like, holy shit, Alex, what is going on? Yeah.

He's getting seduced by just a weirdly fake sounding British accent. I don't think it's seduced. I think he just, uh, his, his arguments are so thin that when walked through, uh, an idea of like, ah, King isn't so bad. He's like, yeah, you know what? You're right. So, so now there are five ways to learn, which is that a British person just tells you yourself.

Yeah. Okay. So when he does end up actually ending the conversation, it's, it's jarring because it's very quick. Alex accuses him of letting his accent slip, which didn't happen. And then if you pay attention to what's being discussed, you realize that this is an intolerable thing to have Alex, uh, his narratives be penetrated on. This is too central to what Alex believes.

And this guy, if allowed to keep talking, will end up pointing out how Alex is wrong about the central point of his beliefs. But the point is, is that, and then higher levels, 90% will be killed. And then higher level, it's no, uh, 5% will live at the highest levels. They talk about killing everyone. And then the last globalist will merge with the mega computer and become God. I like that. I'm not saying that's going to actually happen.

But do you think two new world order skexies, you know, up in their, uh, ivory tower, if they actually succeed in this program, merging with cybernetics systems, are not going to kill each other? I mean, do you really think that? Well, actually what I really think is that most of what you're seeing comes from HG Wells and Bertrand Russell. Yep. That's right.

They all wrote about it. I only had a few three months ago, so I have no idea if we've recovered this or not. But if you look at the history, when I say progressive, I don't mean the modern, what came in America around the 20s, I think, 30s. I'm talking about the, the old 19th century progressive. You're getting out of your accent. Listen, I got to jump. You're an interesting call, but I promise to get to other people.

That's why it's hard to go to calls. They're all interesting. Are they? Oh boy. Alex knows that he's out of his depth. Yeah. Oh yeah. If allowed to keep talking, it will reveal that there is a larger political context to

everything that he's trying to present to his audience that actually refutes a great deal of it. And all Alex is doing is mispurposing fucking science fiction authors. And then some people like Bertrand Russell, he's just using stuff from their work selectively out of context and manipulatively in order to create this conception of these globalists that he's afraid of. It's pretty wild. Well, good on that British guy for going from not knowing about him to in three months,

obviously debunking every stupid thing that Alex is doing. Kind of accidentally. Admiring in some ways. Although I don't, I don't know if I fully support some of the conclusions that that British guy was drawing. He's had, he had some strange ideas. Okay. But he was one of the better callers that I've, I've heard on Alex's show.

If only because it becomes so clear how Alex has to protect himself. Like that, your accent slipping. Got to go. Yeah, I didn't hear an accent slip there. Not at all. I actually played it back a number of times to see if there was any slippage. Yeah, and there wasn't. So in this next clip, Alex, this isn't new or anything.

This isn't a new idea, the idea that Alex excuses white terrorism. But I thought that this shorter clip is kind of a perfect encapsulation of how he justifies that. So I thought it was worth hearing just as it, as it is an articulation. And it's a fact. They trained 24 seven to take our guns and put us in reeducation camps. And there are millions of people aren't going to go to a reeducation camp. And so there's going to be a war. And they don't want to have a war where they started and don't have the moral authority.

They'll go out and blow stuff up and blame it on us to say we started it. And so just be aware of that. Psyop. And I'm sorry it's come down to this, but they're lining up their people everywhere to launch something very, very soon. I'm afraid. So it's just a perfect setup. Yeah.

Now, if you have the idea that they want so desperately to take your guns that they're willing to commit false flag terrorist acts to blame on you in order to facilitate getting your guns, you have that in place, then anything can be fake. And the way you selectively use the accusations of things being fake becomes crucially important. Yeah. Because it, it seems to imply. It's revealing. Absolutely.

That last clip is a perfect encapsulation of how you get the groundwork laid in order to excuse just about anything. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex talks about Bill Joy, his article from Wired magazine, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us. We've talked about this a hundred times. Yup. He, Alex claims always consistently that Bill Joy's article was about a meeting of high-level

technocratic globalists who were getting together to discuss what to do about humans once they're taken over by machines and robots. And that is not true at all. That is only true of a very short passage in this article where Bill Joy is literally quoting the Unabomber and not discussing that as a decision being made by high-level technocratic globalists. It is from the Unabomber's manifesto. Yeah.

Yeah. It was, and now, I mean, it was a pretty good manifesto though. I've heard that from people I don't want to talk to at parties. You've never heard it, but yeah. So in this next clip, the reason that, and we've talked about this a hundred times, Alex brings up the, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us a ton. Why, why should it be discussed again? One reason and one reason only.

I believe in this clip, Alex makes it way too clear that he knows that he's misusing that article and he knows that what he's doing is quoting the Unabomber. But the globalists have said on record in things like Wired Magazine with Bill Joy that I've talked about probably 300 times since the April issue, 2000, where he said, yeah, I went to a meeting of a couple hundred top computer company owners and our debate was, do we just give you games and fun things to play and make you a bunch of idiots, but let you keep destroying the resources or do we kill everybody? And the consensus is we're going to kill everybody.

So I'm just going to tell you that what the Unabomber said was right. Once this technology takes over, humans will be obsolete. That's not in the article at all. In the article, when he quotes the Unabomber, he does not say that he's right. The Unabomber's right. This is crazy. That is Alex admitting that he's well aware or at least he's aware that what he believes to be true about this article is just the Unabomber part of it, which is fucked up.

So then that means that he has to believe or he has to be presenting the Unabomber as part of the globalist consensus. Or just someone who is smart enough to see through it. Yeah. Like he was, you know, he cut through the bullshit because he was in the MKUltra program. Sure, sure, sure, sure. I don't know. But whatever it is, it's a very strong indication that Alex didn't read the rest of that article.

And I don't blame him. It's long. Yeah. It took me a while to read it. I've read it like two or three times now. It's anyway. And this next clip, if you think that that is kind of damning about Alex's beliefs about what the globalists plan to do, we're about to hear Alex say something that leads me to

believe that news radios Jimmy James might be a globalist. Donkey wrestler. Like a lot of these globalist bosses have a robot in their office when they're in a different city or different country and the robot rolls around with a camera and stuff on it. And it oversees everybody and it's the boss. That's literally a new radio. Come on. Let's go to the movies.

What do you mean? You're not going to take me into the bathroom with you. I mean, it makes sense that Alex would have seen that his buddy Joe Rogan was on the show. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. So I was like, oh, this is that the technocratic elite are going to do. And it was a great episode.

But very fun. It was very good. It was a very funny. But it Alex. Yeah. So we jump off the 29th now because there's not a whole lot going on other than that. And man, the 30th. There's not much going on on the show either.

Alex has a guest cancel. And so he has his second guest. He had two scheduled. Yeah. One was one of Ron Paul's buddies and he cancels. Yeah. Yeah. And so we I'm too busy being one of Ron Paul's buddies.

Sorry. I can't can't go on your show. So instead of talking to that dude, we get the second guest and he ends up staying for like two hours because this guy seems like someone who will never fucking leave. We had him on last week and the hour went by very quickly. So I wanted to get him on for an hour today so you could question him. Jim Garrow was talking about a quote, a retired military living legend saying that the military brass that he knows has told them they're having a litmus test.

Will you fire on US citizens? Well, the military's training for that. That's in the news. And General Boykin, the former head of Special Forces. Boykin. He's been talking about plans for a police state. He's been talking about our government giving al-Qaeda terrorist weapons. Gee, I wonder what general Mr. Garrow is talking about.

But he has more to say today. And he said the general, not that we know it's Boykin, Boykin did not want to go public himself, but wanted to go through Jim Garrow. And I looked up Jim Garrow. He runs heavily in the big Christian circles as General Boykin does the same circles. He will not reveal the source. I'm smart enough to know who it is. And again, people say, well, why are you revealing it then?

You know, 99% chance. Because the NSA and the government already knows. I don't live in an illusional world here, ladies and gentlemen. And I wasn't sworn to secrecy. I can just tell who it is. And we're making it up. Yeah. So we talked about Jim Garrow on a recent episode and we went over how he's just

making this shit up about Obama giving soldiers a litmus test for their advancement in the form of asking them if they'll fire on U.S. citizens. So we went over how he claims to be running a gigantic child trafficking ring to get female children out of China, which he's most likely making up entirely. He's a big old piece of shit, this Jim Garrow. Since his last appearance on the show, his fake leak from his high level source has gone quite viral and has become a huge talking point in the right wing media and the militia patriot circles. Mere days into Obama's second term, it's being seen by these dumb-dumbs

as the best shot they have of getting Obama impeached and bringing in a Biden presidency, I guess, which is their big goal. Which would be just as bad as now. Yeah. I don't think we learned too much from this episode that we didn't know before, but I find it slightly interesting that Alex has now completely decided that Garrow's secret source is General Boykin, despite the fact that literally none of the details that Garrow has given him by his source match Boykin.

My cynical brain is fairly convinced that Alex knows that Garrow is just making this up. So he's kind of free to make shit up, too. You know, it's not like Garrow's gonna call Alex his bluff by revealing his non-existent source. So Alex has the green light to pretend he solved the mystery and he gets to make himself look super clever. Haha! It was actually General MacArthur the whole time! Yeah. It reminds me a little about how Alex treated QAnon early on when it started. He was fairly dismissive of the whole thing, but he also said he knew who was behind it.

It's a smart gamble. When someone else is running a con, they can't really do anything about it if you decide to piggyback their con without risking blowing up their entire thing. That's just one element to this kind of thing that reminds me of QAnon, though. Here you have a guy coming on the show and giving out cryptic, unverifiable information that ostensibly comes from a high-level military source who's just trying to get the word out and warn the people about the evils of the left. There's less anonymity to this con, so it's a little easier to collapse

when anyone starts looking into Jim Garrow, or when tons of patriotic ex-military officers don't start coming forward to back up his bullshit, but the framework there is very similar. So I thought that was kind of interesting, but it's very strange to me. I'm 100% convinced that both of them know that they're both full of shit. Oh yeah, 100%. I'm certain of it. The dynamic of the QAnon thing is just sort of a stray thought that I had

that I definitely need to think more about, but there's kernels of similarity in the skeleton of it. I think there are probably a lot of examples of that in Alex's career. It's kind of interesting to think about when Steve Poccanic would come on in the lead-up to Alex deciding he loved Trump and tell about the counter-counter coup against the Clintons. That's very similar. I like a good counter-counter-counter coup.

Well, because where's Steve getting the information from? It might as well be Q, right? Absolutely. The only difference is that it's Steve Poccanic, as opposed to an anonymous message board where the information is being conveyed. So I think that there's something really interesting that I need to think about it a lot more, but I'm 100% sure that they both know that there are no stakes. Yeah.

Neither of them is going to call the other one out. There's like, I'm fucking around. Hey, I'm going to fuck around too. Because then Alex gets to be like, I know it's General Boykin. He could be like, I'm so fucking smart. I figured this out. And then Alex gets to take control of the narrative, because now he has a narrative about General Boykin,

which is no longer Jim Garrow's narrative. Jim gets to keep playing his game over here. Alex has created an offshoot business for himself over here. And that's what he tried to do with QAnon too, with Zach. He's, you know... Yeah, it's the story of long form improv and how upright citizens brigade started. There's something up here.

Yeah. I don't know what it is, but there's something up. Anyway, we'll listen to a little bit of Jim Garrow here in a few. But before we do, Alex has a bit of breaking news that is disturbing. On January 30th, 2013. Yes, it's a little bit disturbing, and it has nothing to do with anything that's happening in the world. Okay, that sounds more right.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. AAL International announces results of young Jevity clinical studies performed by Clemson University. Yahoo Finance. They took cancer cells from human cancer in the colon. That's just exploding because of all the toxins and chemicals. And of course, it mutates the cells.

And the young Jevity, beyond taking tangerine, it has some of the others as well. You can go read the results in a scientific study. Don't say it. Went in and did not hurt the healthy cells and killed the unhealthy cancer cells. Now, uh-oh, that's pretty messed up. No, you can't do that.

You can't do that. Can't you not do that? You can't do that. I don't know what you can and can't do. I don't really know where the line of legality is in terms of making claims, but that seems pretty close to it. I want to go killing cancer cells with a homeopathic bullshit is too far. It seems like thin ice,

but I also think Alex is kind of protected. I think legally he's protected because he's just reading a press release about one of his sponsors. Asserting that their product has a health benefit, that the FDA hasn't evaluated and hasn't been proven. But he's not saying that beyond tangy tangerine is going to cure your cancer. He's just reading a press release that heavily implies it,

and that might be legal. I'm not sure. Yeah. Whatever the case, it ain't ethical. I, if any doctor, even if it was true, if a doctor prescribed me tangy tangerine. It's beyond tangy. Beyond tangy tangerine, I would fucking punch him.

Is it beyond tangy describing the tangerine, or is it beyond a tangy tangerine? Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah, what's modifying what? How far away is this from the... Far past tangy tangerines. Can't we just get beyond tangerines? Let's get past it.

So whatever the case legally is, I'm certain that this is a deeply, deeply unethical thing for Alex to be doing, and here are the reasons why. First, young Jevity is one of Alex's primary sponsors. He has a deep financial interest in overselling their products. Assuming that a study has been done that seemed to indicate that their products could treat cancer, he's the last person who should be covering that story as news.

Since it takes a story away from the context of being serious science and analysis of the study, and lands it directly in paid advertisement territory. If you were young Jevity, and you were serious about this study, you would never want Alex reporting on it. You do not want him being the person to convey this message. Second, I think they don't care young Jevity that is, because I don't think they're serious about this study.

The press release that Alex is reading is from AL International, which may sound like a scientific research group, but it's actually just young Jevity's parent company. Oh, in June 2013, they just decided to change their name to Young Jevity International, since that's most of what their business is. Yeah, might as well. This is young Jevity putting out a press release,

hyping their own products, and having their pitch man Alex read it. Yeah. Next, third, the way Alex is presenting this, it appears that Clemson University did this study, and thus it's legit. But Clemson didn't really do that research, technically. It came out of the Clemson University Institute

of Neutroceutical Research, but what that means is kind of an open question. Nobody even knows what it means? It's a little vague. Neutroceutical? Research. Of the nine results on the first page of a Google search for the Institute of Neutroceutical Research

at Clemson University, you find a Facebook page for the Institute that has no followers and no posts, one amateur slideshow presentation about the Institute, and seven links to stories about the young Jevity story. Okay, so there's a very high probability that this is just some straight up bullshit. It's a red flag.

The fact that all of this is, it all seems to lead back to this one young Jevity study. The Institute of Neutroceutical Research does definitely exist. As you can learn if you make it to the third page of Google results. Third page? Yeah, where you can find a few of the other studies

that they've been involved in. But the difference between those studies and the young Jevity study is that the other ones they've done have been published and peer reviewed, which is slightly different. In 2016, Michelle Van Etten was announced to be a speaker at the Republican National Convention.

And as it turns out, she was involved with young Jevity. This led to some people in the media taking notice and asking a few questions, one of which was about this study that young Jevity has made a big part of their marketing. Right, and then of course, when will Sharon Van Etten come out with her next album? So the Daily Beast reached out

to Clemson spokesperson Robin Denney to get some sense of what was up with the study, and here's what they had to say. Three eggs are cheaper than, never mind. Then your balls will be good. No. Quote, Clemson's Institute of Nutraceutical Research did some limited preliminary laboratory research

for young Jevity several years ago. No clinical trials were performed, and Clemson has in no way endorsed any young Jevity product nor authorized the use of Clemson's name or data in conjunction with any claims of efficacy. The Institute no longer exists. This is a real problem, because the website for Infowars Team,

Alex's multi-level marketing operation, they just reposted AL International's press release in full, and it literally says that they did, quote, clinical research studies, which they did not. So that's probably bad. This is a misrepresentation on its face, and is probably illegal? Yeah, I'm gonna go with that one's pretty illegal.

That one feels pretty close to illegal. That one feels illegal. In the post on Infowars Team, it claims that the study showed that Beyond Tangy Tangerine, quote, killed 60% of cancerous colon cells, 65% of cancerous liver and stomach cells, and 30% of cancerous breast cells.

While their other product, Ultimate Classic, quote, killed 95% of cancerous colon cells, 65% of cancerous liver cells, 65% of cancerous stomach cells, and 30% of cancerous breast cells. And they did no trials, though. Well, no clinical trials. No clinical trials.

They did some laboratory trials, which is a very important distinction. Right, right, right. Because that brings into the methodology of the study, which is very questionable. Well, they put some cancer cells on, like, one of those shooting targets, and then they threw Tangy Tangerine at it,

and they realized that it put holes in the, yeah. That would be an interesting study, too. That sounds good. So what they did is they put, they did testing on cells in test tubes, and specifically didn't do any tests on human subjects. And they did that for a reason. Plenty.

Tangy Tangerine kills people. No. It kills regular cells, too. When it's too tangy. Yeah. Plenty of studies have been done on cells in test tubes that find that everything from strawberries, grapes, rosemary, green tea, and ginger kill cancer cells.

This is true in test tubes, but has literally no application towards whether they have any similar effect when taken by a person. One blog I found described the study, they put it this way. Bleach kills cancer cells in a test tube, but it's not going to help your cancer to drink bleach.

This is the sleight of hand of a study like this. The Institute of Nutraceutical Research knew before they started the test what the outcome was likely to be, and they knew that they wouldn't get similar results with clinical trials, which really makes this smell like research for hire. I can't prove that,

but it has some of the hallmarks of you paid for this study in order to get the thing you needed. Yeah, this is climate research, paid for by, what, any number of bullshit. I don't think you can say that for sure, but it feels, feels that way. Did the Koch brothers pay for this study too? Dr. Wallach is not in bed with the Kochs for all I can tell.

Fair. Whatever the case about the law is here, and whether or not the Institute was paid to deliver a meaningless study for young Jebedee to lie about, it doesn't matter to me. What Alex is doing on air regarding this study is deeply unethical. He's selling false hope to his listeners,

and in this case, as opposed to other instances, the stakes are a bit real. Like when he sells them pills to give them virility, it's really just a placebo effect he's selling them. But with beyond tangy tangerine, being sold as it might kill your cancer cells, that's a whole different level. There's an actual underlying condition here,

which makes this fucking super bad. If this isn't illegal, man, I think it should be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Praying on the dying is probably pretty bad. And I know that the source of it is AL international and young Jebedee. I am keenly aware of that. But Alex is disseminating the message,

and I think that that, and he's getting paid too. Yeah, and I think that that's on the wrong side of the law, man. Now, if AL international offered us $10 million, there's no way we would do that. That's just too bad. That's just too evil. So that is messed up, man. I am not happy to see that being a piece of Alex's advertising.

So he has Jim Garrow on. They're talking about this litmus test for soldiers. There's no real new information about it. Garrow has to say is that the guy, he spoke to, he talked to him again, and the guy said, thank you. That's about it. Oh, okay.

Well, that's a good guy, then. Alex keeps pressing for new details. He's like, is there going to be a false flag? The guy say anything about that? And Garrow's like, I don't know. He just said, thanks. I ran out of imagination. I admire him not getting deeper into it.

Yeah. You know, like, there's a part with these cons that people seem to really, really like overcomplicating it. There's a real impulse to gilding the lily. Yeah. And at least he has the good sense to be like, uh-oh, everyone's paying attention to this. Nope, I'm good.

I do not want to add layers. Did everything I need to do? Hey, guys, have you ever heard of a tangled web of lies? Well, guess what? You're not getting from this cat right here. Just a regular old web of lies for me. Not going to get tangled up at all. The goal was to impugn and demonize Obama.

That has been achieved. Any further action will just lead people to realize I'm claiming to run a child trafficking ring and I don't want the law enforcement to get involved there. I like that idea. Uh, I can't continue because apparently I accidentally claimed I was committing a very large international crime. Big, uh, big clarification.

It wasn't an accident that he revealed that. He brags about it. Yeah, right. Because he's not actually doing that. Yeah. Oh boy. Maybe he just didn't realize that what he was describing was a crime on, uh-

No. He said in that interview, I, I, no one knows, like people in China don't know what I'm doing, like in the orphanages because it's fucking illegal. Hmm. He's, he's very aware that what he claims to be doing is deeply illegal. Yeah, but I think he thinks that it's only illegal in China.

Like, I think he thinks that this part of the, no, he knows that it's illegal here. Oh yeah. Then why the hell would he, why would it, why would he claim it? Because he's not doing it. I know, but it's still a dumb thing to claim. Sure.

A lot of people in this info wars world claim a lot of stupid shit. Yeah. That's true. So there, a special shout out to Larry Nichols. I see you guys agree. Never going to get over that.

Never. So they're having this interview and there's nothing really new coming from it. There's nothing that interesting. And then towards the end of the shit, they talk forever. Yeah. They have a very long conversation. About anything?

No, really. Just not really. Kind of Alex. Just kind of shooting the shit. Alex trying to build up any kind of more information, trying to pull more threads out of him. And then also keeps talking about Boykin. Like trying to get,

trying to get Garo to be like, yeah, you got it. Yeah, it was him. But he doesn't. So then towards the end of the episode, they start taking calls. And Alex wants to talk to military and police. And he gets a call from a Marine. And Alex asks if he's been told to shoot on civilians.

Oh, oh. Because that's what Alex wants. He wants. Yeah. He wants confirmation. Yes, absolutely. And this is not what he needed. Very interesting.

Now, have you guys had anything brought up to you about will you fire on American citizens? I got a recent survey dropped in my email. I haven't opened it yet, but a couple of my fellow Marines have. And they said there's some sketchy stuff in there about, you know, what, what would you do if, you know, Americans did this, did that.

So, I mean, I haven't necessarily opened it yet, but I'm going to go home and open it. You got to open that email, man. I mean, I assume one of the questions is, what would you do if your child's at home? God damn you. All right, city high. Calm down.

Like that's not a good source right there. I don't, I think that's pretty bad. Hey, have you been told to shoot on Americans? Well, I didn't open the email. It wasn't even, it wasn't even mandatory. It wasn't even somebody asking you a question. It was an email that you are optionally asked to fill out. And you know what's going on there?

He doesn't want to disappoint Alex. Yeah, yeah. Because the answer there is no. And he doesn't want to be the person who's a Marine saying no. He has to give a qualified answer that absolutely the answer is no. But I haven't read this one email that I heard might have something sketchy in it. Right, right, right.

That's just trying to be like, I want to help you, Alex. I really want, there's a co-dependency that goes on between Alex and his audience. They don't realize it's abusive, deeply abusive. He's using these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, he's gaslighting writ large. Yeah.

So we're done with the 30th dog shit episode. Real boring. Nothing that really got me, got me going. But we jump in here on the 31st, finishing up January. January will be in our back rear view mirror. Are we going out with some fireworks here? There's some fireworks. Oh, that's nice.

But they're not that great. They're the kind of fireworks that like your parents will allow you to use. Oh, okay. So they're not sparklers, maybe a Roman candle. They're not full on blow your hand off fireworks. Gotcha. But we start here with Alex talking to Paul Joseph Watson, and he's bringing up those hacked documents

that the caller called in a couple of days ago and told him he had found on 4chan and he was afraid for his life to send to Alex. Paul Joseph Watson has gone over these and he's deemed them to be credible. And now if you listen to this clip, Alex has fully whitewashed where he got the emails from. Stay there. I want to get in when we come back to this report you put out

that got picked up all over the world concerning this and now admitted hack of a British defense contractor. So it's no longer a caller told me about these things that he found on 4chan. PJW put out a report that has gone worldwide. All over the world. Taken the world by storm. We have now long laundered information. Yeah.

And if you hadn't listened to the episode when that caller called in, you wouldn't know that's where Alex got this information from. You might assume that it's some sort of intelligence source. You might assume that Paul Joseph Watson is a great investigative reporter. It's WikiLeaks, you know. You're wrong. You're wrong about all this stuff. It's just some random dude.

Fucking dude. Some dumb dumb who's hanging out on 4chan told Alex about it. And now here we are. So in this in this next clip, we hear Alex expressing something that I think is very interesting given the present day. And that is he's kind of aware that the document document in that leak or that hack that talked about imminent false flag in Syria. That one's that was where that's fake.

He seems to know that's fake. But where he goes from that wild. Yesterday, when the British defense contractor that you contacted on Monday, you know, for comment finally responded. But to the Russian national news saying, look, we did get hacked. The thousands of pages of documents, scans of passports. That's why we said it looked like a real hack. But we pointed out could be that somebody inserted fake stuff into the hack.

They're saying the emails where they're discussing a staged chemical event, which has been discussed by the news everywhere, that they were contacted by Qatar to be part of this and that they had said, no, we don't want to be part of it. Now again, sounds like something the Russians would do. Hack it, then add BS to it, or it could be real. Huh, sounds like something the Russians would do, Alex. It's kind of interesting that he came to the same conclusion that week.

It seems weird that you wouldn't have that same sort of idea about present day. Yeah, yeah. It seems like you might have changed his tune on the things that Russia might do. Huh, the idea of somebody hacking something for geopolitical purposes in a semi-sophisticated way and disseminating that information through certain channels. That sounds like something Russia might do in 2013. That doesn't sound familiar to me at all. I can't think of any real world parallel to that.

It's interesting. Huh. Interesting stuff. So that's about all we get about the hack documents. There's not a lot of analysis other than Alex being aware that there are people who are saying that that document was fake and it is. But what if it's not? What if it's not?

There we go. Alex is still operating as if it is, even though he's saying that they say it's fake. Yeah. And actually, I mean, it hasn't happened yet, but they fucking sue the Daily Mail for posting that, as we discussed. So Alex gets to complaining about regulation and how it's impossible to do business anymore, and then he uses probably one of the worst examples he could. But the point is, is that you can't operate.

Ted Anderson moved out of Minneapolis because of the code and forces harassing him. I mean, it's a radio network and it's guys on the phone, you know, brokers selling gold and silver. So he moved to St. Paul. They harassed him out of there. I mean, every time I talk to Ted, he's got some state agency in his office. He says, it's not just me.

Minnesota is one of the worst. He says it's everybody. This is in 2013, two years later, Ted Anderson would have his gold and silver license revoked by the state of Minnesota. We'll get into that a little bit later. But it's just funny to have that be like, you know, they just do all these regulations. People can't even do business.

Like if you're trying to run a shady gold operation, they have questions for you. It's bullshit. I am just trying to screw people out of money here and they're saying that's bad. So many regulations. So fireworks. Remember how he said there was fireworks? There were, there were sparklers.

Well, I'll call this a sparkler. Okay. One of our favorite things, I think on this show, Alex Jones impressions. Love it. Whenever someone who we didn't know made an album, made an album. Fantastic.

Great sorts of things. Raptors. Raptors are also great. One of my personal favorite things beyond esoteric, Alex, is fake story, Alex. Oh yeah. I love a fake story. Do we got, do we got hot tubs?

Do we got globalists? What do we, what do we got? We got a hot spring coming up. We got a hot spring. Ooh, metastasized with the story. This is a two part story. And here is the first part about a park ranger that Alex Jones ran into recently.

Okay. Big Bend National Park. I'm just ranting. It's just a total takeover. Okay. I mean, I'm down there at Big Bend, watching illegal aliens go back and forth all day and ride horses on both sides.

Border patrol does nothing. They're ordered to stand down. And I watched the park rangers who most, I'd say hi to them and they would literally not talk to me. I shot a video about this. One guy, I said hi and he goes. He was like a big, huge guy. And he actually went like, Hulk Hogan.

And then I ran into other people and said, man, we ran into this guy and I described and they go, yeah, that's him. And they go, yeah, we talked to him and he went. So imagine, hey, how you doing? And then I'm down there at the hot springs. I'm going back to Watson. So Paul Joseph Watson's on hold.

Is he talking about the Hulk? Does the Hulk work as a park ranger now? It's closer to Hulk than Hulk Hogan for sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Hogan would be like, my brother. Yeah, exactly. The Hulk Hogan would say hello to you.

That's a very list. Tell you to take your vitamins and pray and all that stuff. Probably use a racial slur. Probably. So in this next clip, that's the first little fake story. And it's just fun. Great. I love it.

And you've met other people who were there. He's saying that to Alex Jones. We all get that. He notices it's Alex and we're like, okay. All right. What were these other people thinking? I don't think they're real, first of all. Well, obviously.

I ran into other people and they said that there was a park ranger. They went, all right, that's them. That would raise a lot of questions. So that's one park ranger that he ran into at Big Bend. And here is the story about the next one. This story did not happen. And then I'm down there at the hot springs. I'm going back to Watson.

Ride on the Rio Grande, watching the illegals go back and forth. We have video of this. We're finally going to premiere on the nightly news tonight because we've been so overwhelmed with more hardcore news. And we've got people on horseback riding back and forth, broad daylight, and the board of patrol is there with the park rangers. I'm sitting there in the natural hot tub by the Rio Grande, just absolutely gorgeous.

And I feel somebody looking at me and I look up. There's about 15 people in this big hot tub. And there's a park ranger staring right at me like he wants to kill me. And I wasn't drinking. We're going to go on another hike after this. It sounds like you were drinking. We just been on a long one, like a, I don't know, four miles up a mountain and back down.

And I'm sitting there and he's looking at me. And I go, why is he looking at me? I look over and there's a curse light sitting next to me and a woman in a red bikini sitting right next to me. And he's looking at me like it's mine. And I just knew what he's looking at. And I went, you know, the universal thing of my hands like that's not mine. I said to the guys that we got to get out of here.

They're about to raid all these people. And they said, oh, no, they're not. It was like a bunch of UT lawyer alumni, like 40 year old guys out there with their girlfriends. And they're throwing a football back and forth. They're having a couple of years. It seems like an extraneous detail. And there's a little bit of sound when you drive into that area saying alcohol is not permitted here.

A little bit of sound on the entrance to the road. So we got to get out of there. Oh, you're being paranoid. Rob doing my dad and others who were with us. You're being paranoid. And I said, no, get the stuff I'm getting out of here. I go, they now arrest people who haven't even been drinking. I know to get out of here.

They go, let us stay 15 more minutes. And I didn't even get video of this because I had a gut feeling we were going to arrest it. So we're pulling out all of a sudden border patrol shoots in for the parking lot at the hot springs there. This is how crazy this country is. I think, oh my gosh, they can do something about all the illegals. You know, right there coming back and forth across the border in this romantic setting. And they start putting the body armor on. And then two, uh, two more, uh, park rangers, but the cop type pull up and they're getting

my armor on and I walk over through a water bottle and the trash, the recycler and I go, hey, how's it going? And they're, hmm, what's going on? And I'm okay. And then I hear him talking to the guy, all right, I got my tickets ready. You going to back me up? They're like, yeah, we're ready to back you up. And they proceeded.

And again, I was on my vacation. I'm usually I would have done something like what I'm like, let's get out of here. And he's like, I'm getting the GoPro out. I mean, I brought a camera, I just can't handle it. We got some of it. I just can't handle it anymore, man. You can't go anywhere. And by the way, they're really just crossing.

I talked to locals. They said at night hundreds come across there and get picked up by the counties. The board of patrols obviously all paid off. That's come out on record. The citizens are the target. Nope. I don't believe that story at all. I believe that probably Alex was drinking in a hot tub, a hot spring and then saw a cop

and was like, oh shit, go to get out of here. Cheese it. It's the heat. Yep. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah. So a big band national park is an amazing natural wonder.

It's unlike it's a very romantic setting I've been told. Yeah, for him and Rob do and his dad to go to. It's unlike anything else in the country. And I can totally understand why Alex loves it so much. It makes it a vacation destination. There really is so much to appreciate there. Like you have historical value as the land in the park once served as a home for members of the Comanche and Mescaleros tribes and artifacts at that time could still be found around the park.

The park is home to a bunch of really cool animals like road runners and jack rabbits, as well as all manner of cactus and wildflowers all protected by the status that it enjoys as a national park. There are gorgeous rock formations and waterfalls, canyons and picturesque views to enjoy a sunset. It's a one of a kind thing boasting three complete ecosystems in the form of a river, mountain and desert each separate from one another all in one national park. I sense a hammer drop. Thanks to the federal government that land has remained relatively protected for hundreds

of thousands of people a year to visit and enjoy and appreciate. Boy, I'm starting to think that maybe the Trump administration has... Here's the thing. Big Bend is named after the Big Bend in the Rio Grande River and the park is situated right at said bend. You may be aware that the Rio Grande is the technical marker of the boundary between the United States and Mexico. So on one side of the river, it's the United States and on the other, it's not.

Because of the natural beauty and importance of the area to the ecosystem, the land on the Mexican side of the border is also a national park. The Nacional Canón de Santa Elena. Obviously, this makes the area a bit complicated from a political perspective. My feeling is that the only real way to crack down on immigration there would be to militarize the national park, which would require a ton of development of the land. And at that point, what are we even really doing? It seems pointless.

What are we even really doing? Period. Anyway, I only bring all this up because you can really tell that Alex loves Big Bend National Park. He talks about it all the time. He has tons of stories of being in those hot springs and how much he enjoys going hiking in the canyon with his kids. That's why it should break his heart that in 2017, when Trump was trying to get his border

wall made, Big Bend was seen as many as the place he could easily build. The reasoning was that it was a stretch of land along the border that's already owned by the federal government. So building a wall there wouldn't require using eminent domain to seize private land, which would inevitably lead to drawn out court cases in order to get any of this wall built. This would be a cheap victory to put up the platter wall there. That was what tons of people were saying was being discussed. Yeah, it definitely wouldn't be a Pyrrhic victory for the entire United States destroying

our fucking beautiful existence by building an eyesore of a wall and putting goddamn barbed wire on it. The proposed border wall would by definition have to run through Big Bend National Park, and according to every expert, that would mean a complete destruction of the delicate ecosystems protected there. One easy example of this is the Mexican black bear, whose population had been dwindling in the 1950s, but because of the protected land of the park was able to fight off extinction and repopulate.

A border wall would completely disrupt the bear's migratory patterns and could lead to them facing renewed extinction concerns. And that's just one of hundreds and hundreds of species that would be rocked by a disruption to the park, which building a huge wall in the middle of it would absolutely achieve. Marcos Paredes, a retired ranger, said, quote, many, many people who put their whole careers working out here, preserving and protecting this area. In one fell swoop, we stand to undo all of that with this border wall.

It's hard to tell how much of the calls to build a wall are just meant to rile up nativist paranoia and fan the flames of xenophobia in an attempt to keep Trump's base engaged. But let's leave that aside for now. Alex Jones fucking loves Big Ben National Park, and yet he supports Trump building a wall, something that would probably destroy the very hot springs he loves to bathe in. He's a stupid racist monster who's willing to destroy something he loves to satisfy his desire to hurt immigrants and refugees, or that desire has blinded him to the fact that following through with the plans he supports would destroy something he loves.

I think this is a pretty good microcosm of Alex Jones' life as a whole. He used to love his radio show, but his blind hatred of the government has led him to slander murder victims and lawsuits about that have become the proverbial border wall that's completely disrupted the ecosystem of his show. From an external perspective, there's very little in his public life that doesn't appear to have been completely destroyed as a result of him pursuing his petty hatreds far past the point where any sane person would see destructive consequences coming. So to put this more succinctly, Alex Jones sucks and is a total idiot,

and conversely, National Parks rule, and we need to do everything we can to protect them. Yes, I agree. It was a little bit more poetic the first time you put it. The summation was a little less- More of a fuck you. It was more crass, I would say. Also, a small point, illegal border crossings in the Big Bend area are absolutely not a major concern. For one, they're talking about building a 30-foot wall when a lot of the Rio Grande runs in between 1500-foot canyon walls on either side. A 2003 study by the Department of Justice explicitly says this about people who cross

the border in Brewster County, the county where Big Bend Park is located. Undocumented persons crossing through Big Bend National Park often die from lack of water or exposure to the elements. According to the county sheriff, often their bodies are not found until their remains have skeletonized. In terms of any crime that's described in that report about immigration patterns, one of the main things in Brewster County is, quote, rural burglaries. That's a crime that they have to be concerned about there. A county official had this to say about that, quote,

I've had people break into my house, get something to eat when I'm not home, wash the dishes, and leave them by the sink with a few pesos. Well, that's nice. How cool is that? That is a really nice thing for somebody to do, campfire rules. Campfire rules. Leave it better than when you found it. And he doesn't seem to care about that at all. The idea of people breaking in, taking food, leaving a couple coins. It did seem like he was fine with it.

By the way, that's not in the 1920s. That was in 2003. That report. I think people are generally good. I do, too. And another official had this to say in the report. She describes how she keeps her bunk house stocked with food, and quote, if people come needing food, I've told my foreman to give it to them. So there is a real strong sense that the people in this county

don't see immigration coming through as a big concern. There isn't a ton of it. A lot of the people who come through end up dying because of the desert. Yeah. That's there they have to cross through. And they are more interested in helping people not die than they are with whatever Alex's concerns are. Well, they are criminalizing helping people not die at the border.

There are, yeah, there are, what, how many people have been arrested and charged with fucking 20 year sentences? Only 1% of their law enforcement budget in Brewster County had to do with undocumented immigrants. So you're saying that they aren't using Brewster's millions? No. The county had to pay four times as much for autopsies and burials of bodies of undocumented immigrants that they found in the county

than they did for law enforcement purposes. So I think there's a lot of bullshit that Alex is spitting. Naturally. Also, this is going to drift into a bit of trivia, but did you know that the name of the adjacent county to Brewster County, do you know what it is? Paget. It's Jeff Davis County, named after the fucking president of the Confederacy.

That's one of four. They are, you can do that? Yeah, apparently. That's not good. And guess what? That's one of four counties in the country that are named after Jefferson Davis. All of them in the deep south, in Georgia, Texas, Mississippi, and Jefferson Davis Parish in Louisiana.

Kansas had a county named after him, but even fucking Kansas realized that was fucked up and changed its name back in 1869. 23 counties in Texas, or approximately 10% of the counties in the entire state. Our name for Confederate. Yep. God damn it. Including Brewster County, named after Henry Percy Brewster, who was a colonel in the Confederate Army.

Jesus. It's not so easy to find counties named after abolitionists. Georgia likes to claim that Douglas County was named after Frederick Douglas, and that's technically true. It was named after him in 1870 when the county was created, but pretty soon after that, Confederate Democrats regained power in the government and changed the name of the county. It's still called Douglas, but now it's spelled with one less S in honor of Stephen Douglas,

an Illinois politician who ran against Lincoln for president and supported slavery as being protected by state's rights. Douglas literally believed that the Declaration of Independence only applied to white people, saying, quote, this government was made by our fathers on the white basis, made by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever. All right. So that's just a little bit of like, hey, pull back the curtain a tiny bit.

What do you see? Jesus. Oh, that's good. You can't, that's not cool. That's not cool. Changing the name from Frederick, just removing an S and then being like, instead of Frederick Douglas, we're going to go with the most, hey, let's call it Strom Thurmond County for Christ's sake.

It is pretty wild. The idea that they were that petty, they're like, we'll keep the name, but spell it differently so we know. What a bunch of dicks. Yeah. So anyway, that started out with Alex telling a fake story about going to Big Bend and having this run in with imaginary police. And then we realized that he supports a politician who would see that park destroyed.

Of course. And in this next clip, Alex pretends to cry about his time at Big Bend National Park because of the park. And later I ran into a woman at the lodge that night. He said there were a bunch of tickets being given out. One guy was being put in handcuffs. I just can't handle it anymore, man. I can't even go down and just be at a national park.

I am the prey. I am the food. I am the food. And I knew I said, we're food. Let's get out of here. I mean, I can't handle it anymore. I'm sorry, Watson. I've had John Holt finish up with Syria.

Okay. You forget. You forget that Paul's been on hold this whole time. Finish up with Syria? Because he's still talking about those fake documents. Right, right. But we call up on this. Park Rangers are like, bluh.

Anyways, finish up on Assad burning and murdering thousands upon thousands of his own people. And it's interesting that Alex is like, I knew we were food. Let's get out of here. What you're describing when you're talking about being food is getting a ticket for drinking somewhere that drinking isn't allowed. Yeah. That's an open container violation. That you're on federal, that's federal property.

It's a national park. Food. If they say there's no drinking there, that's the rules. Do you think you can drink at the courthouse, just hang out with a 40 at the courthouse? It's not going to fly. No. I did meet a guy who did some coke in a courthouse one time.

And that's because he, well, and that's during his trial for cocaine possession. But I bet it wasn't like he didn't make a show of it. They would have given him at least a ticket. Yeah. And being food implies something worse than a warning or maybe a small citation. I mean, I bet any of those people who were, if you were drinking a course at the hot spring and you're not allowed to, I'm sure someone would come over and be like, I pour that out.

Yeah. That doesn't even seem like it would be the first time that a park ranger saw that. They'd just be like, hey, come on, cut it out and throw it away. Don't litter, you piece of shit. Yeah. More or less. Or he also would have gone, uh, uh. I have no sympathy for Alex pretending he's food

and overhyping his sort of victimhood agreement mentality as it relates to him going to a national park that I would love to be in right now. Yeah, that would be great. I love, you don't like the outdoors. I don't like the outdoors, but I do like national parks. Stop. I, oh, I do. You just like the gift shops in them?

No, not, fuck you. What? You like the indoors? Why would you want to be outdoors? Of course. But I mean, it's a park, man. I don't know what it is about parks that gets me. No, I know.

I get it. I, you're looking at me like I'm an insane person. No, because you're contradicting yourself. What about going camping at a national park? I, I, I don't know. I don't like camping. I do like going to a national park though for this is a really to take a little walk.

Yes. It's nice. I don't want to go camping anywhere. You're nuts. But I want to take a nice little walk. All right. Whatever. So in this next clip, Alex has a guest and it's Larry Pratt

from gun owners for America. Great. Who is a mass in this next clip though. He makes clear that so Alex has been bragging a ton about his appearance on Pierce Morgan, but also Larry Pratt has been on Pierce Morgan and they got into a little bit of a fight that got way less media attention, but it apparently has been boosting the membership roles and applications for gun owners

for America. And in this clip, Larry Pratt, thanks, Pierce Morgan. And then Pierce Morgan, bless his British heart, did a little, it is fair share to increase our membership and we're very grateful to Pierce Morgan. I think I'm not quite grateful enough to form a fan club, but I do have to acknowledge that even though he didn't intend it, it has, I think, frankly, not only did he help

our membership and the NRA's membership, but I think he provided what we may look back and say. That was a pivotal moment when he started lecturing yours truly about how the United States ought to operate with that bloody supercilious British accent of his, that just kind of fills most Americans right up to the gag point. So this highlights a very important thing that people need to realize.

That he can correctly use the word supercilious. And confuse Alex. That's not as important. I think we could have taken that as red. Although it is interesting to hear Larry, Larry Pratt's a reasonably smart guy. He can, he can form some sentences better than Alex anyway. The thing that's important is that these people, I'm going to go

ahead and call Larry Pratt a fascist. Yeah, for a specific reason that we'll get to in a moment. But when you have people like this who have nefarious intent and you allow them access to your platforms, if you don't be very careful with it, you help them. Larry Pratt is expressing very clearly to Alex, we use Piers Morgan as a useful idiot. He didn't understand the game we were playing.

We played the game. You know, there's a fight. He's stupid. We won. And that is what happens when you don't push back. Now, the reason that I'm calling him a fascist is because he was at the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous that had the KKK and the Neo-Nazis.

All those folks back in the day that we talked about not too long ago, like Larry Pratt is an OG. So he, for whatever legitimate Second Amendment defense arguments that he has, there's something behind that that is far darker. And even if he doesn't express outright white supremacy in neo-Nazism, he's very, very, very, very, very adjacent. Yeah.

So much so that you could say he was rubbing elbows. And that is such a recurring theme in America is that the left, and Piers Morgan isn't even, fuck Piers Morgan. Apparently he's very important in the history of the fucking gun movement. Changed the whole game. Yeah. We're going to look back at it as a pivotal moment.

I think they might. I think so too, which is what makes it so much more infuriating that Piers Morgan has had such an outsize effect on America. Very strange. But what's a common recurring theme is that they're playing a different game. Yeah. And nobody, you think you're playing one game and they're not

playing that game. I don't think we were even really all that aware of that until spending this much time looking at deconstructing the Alex and his associates and then some of these offshoot folks. I really, yeah, I don't think that we would be aware of that if it wasn't for deep immersion in this. And yeah, I think that a lot of people are falling for it. It's so much easier with social media.

They can run these games so much easier capitalizing the quick attention span aspect of social media. But yeah, 100%. They are playing a different game. Well, I mean, and that's just even more obvious when you, in the context of McConnell's Supreme Court shit, that people calling him hypocritical is insane to me. He's always been, this is a consistent thing.

He was full of shit then. He's full of shit now that he's playing the game better than you because you think you're playing a different game. Yeah. And accusations of hypocrisy play into his other game. Yeah. Like it's a charge that won't get you where you need to go. Yeah.

Because anybody who you need to convince that McConnell isn't above board isn't going to be convinced by accusations of hypocrisy because they see the hypocrisy as being in effect their benefit. Yeah. Of course. And so you can't. That's the game.

Yeah. And people who are playing that other game understand what accusations are totally fine. Yeah. They're impotent to hurt them. Not even just, not an impotent, but almost a rallying cry as well. Sure.

Like it'll circle the wagons. How dare you criticize. Or you can wink at it. Yeah. Like I am. Yeah. Of course. But I'm your hypocrite.

I mean, that's why he got a huge laugh whenever he said it. Everybody was like, ha ha ha. Of course you would. Because everybody knew of course he would. If somebody said to me when McConnell was pulling that bullshit with Garland that it was just like, well, you know what, at least he'll be ideologically consistent. And if a Supreme Court seat opens up in an election year,

I'm sure he'll do the same thing. I would have wanted to punch them so hard. Because it was obvious. It was bullshit. Yeah, totally. So in this next clip, we get to finally something about Sandy Hook here on January 31st. There hasn't been much talk about it, which further reinforces my sort

of feeling that Alex, on a visceral level, doesn't care that much. Right. In the same way that when that Waleed Shubat caller called in, Alex didn't really resonate. It didn't, he didn't like, I don't really care about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. Sloppy Soviet narratives. Yeah.

I think on just emotional level, he doesn't really care about Sandy Hook stuff. He's interested in the opportunism of the conspiracy theory community that's growing around it, but he doesn't really care that much. Yeah, it's just a prop. Yeah. So he doesn't talk about it a lot, but he has this bit of news that he's come into. Sandy Hook chorus to sing at the Super Bowl.

And that's a way to take 70 million viewers, the number one show in North America, and to shove a bunch of anti-second amendment garbage down our throats and re-invoke all this. Hey, how about we have the acquire from Mexico of schools where the drug cartels or government comes in and kills, you know, 100 people. They've almost had 60,000 killed more than Vietnam the last six years. Why don't we have that or, or, or, or, you know, kids killed by fast and furious guns. The president ordered ship down there.

Why don't we have the family of the dead Border Patrol agents killed by fast and furious guns of the police officers. How about they go and sing at this event? I mean, they are just shoving this garbage down our throat. Absolutely shoving it wholesale down our throat. My response to that is, okay, let's get those choirs. Yeah, why not? Yeah, I don't, is there, was that bad?

I don't know. It's very, it's strange. It's just a way of trying to like, it's what about ism. Yeah, it's like, oh, I, you know, you're going to celebrate these survivors of the school shooting. Well, why don't you celebrate every one from all time in other countries and everywhere around the world. If you do one example of this behavior, you'll must do all of it. And maybe that would work. I think Alex would still complain.

Maybe when we saw the real fucking consequence of this bullshit, everybody might actually fucking get it. That's sort of a clowered and pithin approach to publicizing the victims of gun violence. And I think Alex would have a new complaint if you did that, which is like, why are there so many victims of gun violence? Somehow still not to address the central issue. Now, the thing that I find very interesting about this is that this will become a large conspiracy. Now, I don't know what Alex does with it, but one of the things that like James Tracy

was putting out was this idea that some of the children that were said to have died in the shooting were actually singing at the Super Bowl. That becomes a large conspiracy that goes around the internet. Right. So the idea that Alex is mad about the Sandy Hook Choir singing at the Super Bowl is interesting to me because that doesn't seem to be present in what he's saying here. But we're still a little ways off from the Super Bowl. From the actual, God, that's such a dumb conspiracy theory.

Yeah. That is prescribing your level of stupidity to your enemies. And it is just so unfortunate. Yeah. But I'm interested to see how this morphs. Like, does Alex pick up on any of that? He's clearly mad about the choir being at the Super Bowl. He's got to attack it somehow.

And it's kind of tough to find an angle on it other than what he's already said, which is get those kids from the schools in Mexico, which I don't think that's a potent attack because I think most people would be like, you bet, let's find a school. Yeah. I think he's going to go off, they did a really terrible arrangement of Ave Maria. So I think that's how he's going to criticize them. I mean, if he wants to go for that, then I'd play him Larry Nichols album. Larry Nichols isn't playing at the Super Bowl yet.

That's right. Next year, if he survives, we'll get him. I think it's also super weird that Larry Nichols hasn't shown up at all in this 2012-2013 time. That's true. Poccanic hasn't shown up at all. I really expected him to show up by this point. Alex has been saying sci-op a lot more in the last like three or four days that I've been listening to.

So you think Poccanic might be around the corner? I don't think that that means anything, but it is a word that's associated with Steve. I don't know. It's really weird. You'd expect a lot more of these regular people to have been there. Because this is now a whole month and a week, a month and a half almost, that I've listened to straight of 2012-2013. And nothing.

Not really. Just gun dudes, man. It's just Larry Pratt, Stuart Rhodes from The Oath Keepers, and a bunch of scam people. And then Jim Garrow certainly making the rounds. Yeah, a bunch of bullshit made up bullshit. Yeah, there's not a ton. But we do get a guest here that's very familiar to us. Alex is screaming about financial collapse.

And then the most predictable thing ever happens. There it is. And they've got articles about the economy contracted faster than they thought. We got checks. Massive payroll tax increases. We can track things. And they said, poor people, we're going to cut your taxes. They raise them.

And then there's an investment tax and all these new ones. Gold trades near one week high on U.S. economy fed stimulus. U.S. stocks fall as investors weigh earnings economy. U.S. unemployment up. All of this report, IRS hiring new employees. Well, somebody's hiring. Of course, all the elites are basically left alone. I wanted to bring up Ted Anderson.

And yeah, it's going to be a gold pitch. But that's not why he's really here. Okay. All right, bro. He's done that a lot on this show where he's like, let me see. I was at the park. I wasn't drinking.

Right. You didn't need to. You know that someone's going to think you're drinking, right? That's what you're doing. 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,280 Because you were drinking. Yeah. So yeah, he's like, I know it's a gold pitch.

That's not what we're doing. Well, yeah, it is. Why didn't you say that? You could have just not said that. Yeah. And also it's not Bob Chapman because I have some bad news. Bob Chapman died in June 2012. So he's already dead.

Oh, he's already passed on. Oh. So he's down to Grand Prix. Bad news. Oh, shit. There is. So he has to shortcut it now. He doesn't have Bob Chapman to help himself.

Ted's gold. He has to just straight shoot it. I haven't seen Ted really come up in this 2012 period either. So this is interesting to me. I find I find that pretty. Hey, it's not that interesting. It's only interesting in as much as he showed up a lot in 2009. Yeah.

So now four years later, it's, but I think that's also probably partially because he's taken on like beyond Tangy Tangerine and Young Jevity. He's taken on a few other sponsors. So maybe Ted doesn't have as much central importance anymore. And he also, of course, has Frank Bates and his weird device. 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:29,280 Right.

Right. 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:30,080 All right. Oh, boy. So they, you know, it's a gold pitch. Yeah. But that's not what he's really here for. No.

But it turns out what he is there to do is read limericks and sell soap. And he's all out of soap that. No, that's Marty Schachter, who might also be dead by 2013. He seemed very old. No. What he's there to do is he's there to shit on other gold companies that have running ads on Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh shows.

He's running negative attack ads. He's having Alex do it. That's for sure. All right. So here's that. But I called Ted this morning and I said, I heard a radio ad last night on one of the biggest talk show hosts in this country. And I'm not even going to say names.

You know who it is. They've been in trouble for this before. And I said, what were they really selling stuff for? We're going to skip this network break because I'm so far behind. I can do this. Plus it's important to get this out. So stations shouldn't be going over this in about three months because of the network break.

But Ted, I called Ted because I know about the gold and silver business is pretty good. I've been in it for 17 years and Ted started the network 15 years ago. So I've been working with him 17 years or about 16. He was a sponsor right away. I was on local radio. What I went out and shopped and found the real folks and did some research and have been with Ted ever since.

What? And I heard this ad for a coin and I knew the coin was 150 percent higher than it should be. It's great for a company to have 5 percent maybe on something that was hard to get a 10 percent markup. That's great. You got to be able to make money to keep your lights on, you know, hold the stuff, sell it, do all that.

On average, Ted's got about a 5 percent markup. He's got deals where he loses money where you can get two silver dollars at cost, two films and a book for free. He has deals where he loses money. But I'm not differentiating the competition. That's the oldest trick in the book, saying, you know, their hamburgers are crazier than yours. Yeah, no, that's exactly what you're doing.

Check this out for yourself. A lot of the big national talk show host, one of them lives right here in Texas, moved down here. He's going to leave it at that. Got in trouble for stuff with 100 percent markup. This is 150, I was hearing. And I just, it just blows me away that Ted Anderson on average is about a 5 percent markup.

And that Ted is doing such a good job at what he's doing. And I just think people need to know. They do need to know. Two years later, he did such a good job. Yeah. We mentioned it earlier and we talked about it on the show before, but it's worth reminding anyone who hasn't listened to our back catalog that Ted Anderson, the guy who

syndicates Alex's show and is one of his biggest sponsors through Midas Resources, is no longer legally allowed to sell precious metals. About two years after this episode came out, Ted got in trouble with the state of Minnesota and they revoked his license because he quote, misappropriated customers money and misrepresented terms of sale to them.

The state found that Midas Resources quote, routinely failed without prior agreement to deliver bouillon coins to its customers within 30 days of payment and otherwise misrepresented to customers the terms of sale. He was kicked out of the precious metals business and had to pay payback hundreds of thousands of dollars to customers in restitution. Ted Anderson is running a shady as shit gold company.

So it makes it a little hard to swallow that Alex is just having him on here to sincerely complain about some other gold company running ads on Rush or Glenn Beck's show with markups that offended him. He's straight bullshit. He is doing this. I don't know why he's doing it. I mean, it's just it's just shading the competition.

You know, but it why do they do anything that they do? It's one of these things that like if you were doing this and you're working with this like scammy fucking gold operation, don't call other gold operation scammy. That's going to draw attention to how scammy you are. I know that apparently in practice, it doesn't work that way. No, it does not. It turns out that that is the exact opposite of the way

the world works. If you're running a scam, accuse everyone of doing the exact same thing you're doing. Yeah, it works. Yeah. That's weird to me. That's what Trump literally did to get elected president. It's so weird that the world works that way

because it's it should work the opposite. It does seem like that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, they're they're corrupt. They're taking money. They're doing all this stuff. They're Hillary's evil.

And then he just did all of that. Yeah. All of it. But what this appearance is, it is a gold sale, as Alex has pointed out. Yeah. But what it's really about is condemning these other companies for being shady as a way of making sure that

people trust Ted. Making them look bad is in service of building up Ted's credibility, as you can hear in this next clip. I got Ted on about financial news, but I'm just an honest person, you know, with a little gold in there as a sponsor. I just started plugging what I believe in. Minus resources is the place. And when it comes to bullying, when it comes to bullying,

with people that actually sell it to, you'll see some deals occasionally. Because I've looked around before. I've seen deals where they claim something. You call up, oh, we're out of that, but we have this. You don't get that with minus resources. You don't get anything with minus resources. Hits the escape pod, you know, the injection seat on brokers

in about 10 seconds when he discovers, you know, anything. And because again, the whole gold and silver industry, because people don't have the facts, is a snake pit. That's why I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen, minus resources. So, I mean, he's even saying that like, this is a business that's full of fucking shady people, but not my guy. Yeah.

My guy, 5% markup, he is losing money most of the time, lost leaders. He just wants to get you the best deal. That's fucking used car salesmanship, but for gold. Oh, 100%. This is gross. I mean, it's gross. To see within a couple of days span, this kind of shilling

for Ted Anderson's gold, and the young Jevity Concure Cancer study, you just got like, you got a gross, gross business model here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think capitalism is great. He doesn't give a shit. Nope. So, we have one more clip here, and in terms of this clip,

it's wise to remember that after Alex had James Tracy, the guy who thinks that people at Sandy Hook were actors, after he had him on the show and saw that there was a video that got 10 million views on YouTube about those Sandy Hook conspiracies, he started to change the way he covered things, particularly school shootings. We saw the Lone Star College shooting where he was saying that CNN was covering things up and trying to find a

false flag angle on it, and then he realized that the school was pretty much all black people being interviewed, and he decided it was gang related. Right. Now, on the 31st, right at the end of the show, there's another school shooting, and here is how Alex covers it. Absolutely, we've got some breaking news, Ted, just briefly here.

School officials confirmed shooting at Atlanta middle school, sounds like a gang-related deal. 14-year-old shot, and it goes on to say the parents, even though the shooting's been over a while, are not allowed to pick up their children. So, the government's setting that precedent where you can't get your kids, and they teach them to get the fetal position to hopefully get a higher death count so they can take our guns.

That's FoxNews, FoxNews.com reporting that, and obviously DrudgeReport.com will have it all. We'll have the latest at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.tv. Ted, what about the two silver dollars for 72 dollars? Wow, that is, that's disgraceful on so many, many, many, many levels. That is a fucking disgrace. Yeah, it's pretty bad. So, the story that Alex is covering here is about a shooting

that took place at Price Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia. A 15-year-old student was shot by a 14-year-old who, I'm sorry, a 15-year-old student shot a 14-year-old who thankfully survived. A resource officer at the school was able to get the shooter to drop his weapon, and he was taken into custody. Now, why might you think that Alex was so quick to decide that this was a gang-related shooting? Well, I'm sure it has nothing to do with Atlanta being Black Mecca.

Well, and I'm also sure that it has nothing to do with the fact that Price Middle School is a student population that's a 95% Black. I don't think it has anything to do with those things. That's probably a coincidence. I don't think it has anything to do with those things. In February, police would come out and say that they were investigating a gang angle to the shooting, but that information wasn't out when Alex dismissed this shooting

as not even really being worth covering. I can find zero confirmation or details about the conclusion of the gang investigation, but even if the police are 100% correct when they suggested that this could be the result of two gangs fighting, that doesn't change shit. I don't particularly trust the flippant definition of the word gang when it's applied to Black youths by police, particularly when it's short on any details, and details are absent from the reporting on this story,

even in the articles that I can find. The victim's mother was publicly very clear that her son wasn't involved in any gangs, and no one alleging gang involvement has provided any concrete information. Plus, and most importantly, even if this was a gang-related shooting, it doesn't make Alex right. He had zero reason to assume it was a gang shooting other than he saw that all the students at that school were Black. This is the only piece of information he's operating off of,

and that by definition means he's operating entirely off of racial prejudice. Also, parents couldn't pick up their kids from the school because they'd been evacuated to a nearby church where they were on a short lockdown before they got the whole situation sorted out. There's nothing suspicious about that at all. So what you have here is Alex does not really care about this. Nope. It's pretty easy to see the trend.

You can see why. This would be suspicious in a vacuum. That clip would be suspicious in a vacuum. By itself, no other context. You'd be like, huh, he's just going to dismiss that story. Okay. And then sell some ships. Sell some silver.

Immediately. Right. But that selling part is kind of, that's in his bones. It is. That's not that weird. It is. It is. But I'm saying, devoid of context, that desire to dismiss this story as gang-related shooting,

you're like, huh, that's weird. But when you take it in the context of the larger world, the end of January 2013, Alex is existing in, where he wants to tap into the Sandy Hook market. He wants to find his own, it's the general Boykin narrative offshoot that he wants to make of the Sandy Hook conspiracy stuff. He wants to find that. And so he's trying to sift through, using his pan to sift through all of the school shootings. And whenever something's not gold, he's like, fuck it.

This is the school shooting I don't want. So hey, somebody got the only, and why did he even say it other than somebody sent him real quick? Oh, school shooting, breaking news, school shooting. Oh, never mind. It's in Atlanta. Black people don't give a shit. Oh, I'm positive that what happened is that he got it from the producers. They shot over an article to him.

And he saw that it was all black people in the photo. Uh-huh. And I don't know. I got nothing on this. Now, what I'm saying, though, is that the bigger context of this Sandy Hook reclamation that he needs to do, that's the larger context that this lives in. And the Lone Star shooting coverage is the more specific context that this lives in. When he was covering that so excited that it was possibly a false flag that he was

going to get the information on. And when he started to realize, ah, this isn't anything and it's all black people, he's like immediately, ah, this is gang related. Yep. The fact that he goes to that so quickly in both of these instances that what's the similarity, predominantly black schools, it means that that's why that's how his brain works. Uh-huh. This isn't worth attention.

It's not worth feeling anything about. Fuck it. It's gangs. Who even cares if somebody in a gang gets shot, Dan? It's a gang shooting. So you know what? Hey, he definitely does. I mean, he's literally expressed that.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, what you see here in this episode, I think, is not a ton of development in terms of Sandy Hook stuff, but a lot of racism. Yeah. Yep.

There is a lot of bigotry on here that is, it's the sort of bigotry that Alex thrives on because it's that bigotry that isn't saying the n-word. Yeah. It's not saying that like, I don't know, Mexicans are worse than us or anything like that, but it's just as bad. It's presumptive profiling. Well, that's one version of it, absolutely. It's just as potent as Overt bigotry.

It may be worse because it has that plausible deniability attached to it. 01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:52,720 Right, right, right. And it's more, it's a bit more insidious. So I don't like to see that. That's always a bummer. But at the same time, it's so interesting that that's consistent. You know, that he's always been racist.

Yeah. And then his Islamophobia is not. Yeah. That's very weird to me. I mean, don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. Actually, I don't think that's weird. I think that's the regular progression for a lot of these people that as they age,

they just get add more and more to the list of things they hate. No, especially if they're bigots already. Well, sure, there's something to that. But I do think it's interesting that most people like this wouldn't just by default be like, I'll hate them just in case. Yeah. You know, it's yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems like what you would do, but I don't know.

Anyway, we'll be back on Monday. I don't know. I don't know how else to submit this episode. I mean, it's just. Big giant racist. There's nothing in it in terms of like what we're looking for. Scamming big giant racist. Yes.

There we go. I mean, there's nothing that we're looking for in terms of the Sandy Hook stuff, but there's so much of like running a fraud, being a bigot. Yeah. It's it's pretty. Well, he's got a job to do. No, I feel and being a fraud into a bigot is his gig. Yeah.

I mean, it's it's a bit of a holding pattern that he's in in terms of conspiracy and the narratives of Sandy Hook and shit, but it's just full steam ahead and demonize Obama, demonize the left, call for impeachment, guns are under threat. It does seem like he's waiting for the next school shooting. Yeah. In order the next one that fits his purposes and then he'll really have waiting to pounce. Yeah. Right now.

And I just like, I still got to go do the show, but I'm not going to do the show. And I will. I get that. I worry that the pounce is the Boston bombing. You think so? I'm worried about that. Yeah. I don't know.

It's possible. It's a couple of months. It's an April, right? It's it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm worried that that's why he responded so strongly to it immediately because he does call it a false flag and everything on air while he's interviewing Richard Belzer.

It's possible that this is all priming the pump for that. Yeah. I kind of hope something happens before then because that's a while. Well, there's going to be another school shooting in between. That's true. There's what? I mean, in 2013, I bet there's at least four before April. I'm sure there is.

Maybe not hugely publicized ones, but yeah. Yep. So we'll see. We will find out what happened in the past and see how Alex behaved with it. Spoiler alert. Won't be good no matter what it is. Not going to be good, but we have a website. It's knowledge fight.com.

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Even some pay phones. You can just go right by if you're in a rural area and you've still got a pay phone. You can just go walk right up there and download the show. Uh huh. Yep. Just dial star for I completely zone out. I don't know why, but my brain was like, I am not accepting this. I will not accept the charges.

Fair enough for this collect call download of the podcast. Yes. Um, I see. I've already used Jim Garrow. Yeah, we can't wait. I mean, the park is definitely killed people. Ooh, ooh, ooh. That park ranger.

No, Ron Paul's friend who didn't show up. Ron Paul's friend who canceled on Alex as a guest whose name I can't remember. Oh, they didn't kill anybody. Okay. But one guy who technically probably did Alex Jones. Andy and chances you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller.

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