Knowledge Fight - #318: July 5, 2019

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan set out to check in on what Alex Jones was up to on the day after the 4th of July, the day after his predictions of "antifa chemical warfare" failed to materialize. Weirdly, they don't find Alex apologizing for spreading stupid fear, they find him getting super mystical and talking to a guy who likes to pretend he's in the Illuminati.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Well, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fat. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes Like sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan How do you feel about international competitions? Do you root for the United States? Oh, you know, like in the Olympics and not always, but I'm always thrilled when the United States does well You know, like especially when it's camaraderie based, you know, it's not like Crushing other countries

When it's not actually feel when it doesn't feel like war. Yeah, I can always feel a little bit of national pride Yeah, but I remember when I was younger, I guess I don't know what years it would have been But it was around when like Terry Henri and Zinedine Zidane Oh, man. I was a fan of the French. Have you ever done Zidane? I liked the French. World cup team. Yeah, I don't know why. I think my brother was into the French team He was much more into soccer than I was so I think I kind of took a little bit by osmosis from him Yeah, and then I studied French in high school. So I always had like a little bit of a little je ne sais quoi about the culture and a little little connection. Yeah, absolutely. I was a

Francophile. Yeah, so like I could cheer for them even if they were against the United States. Right, right. I could I could see myself Endorsing another team. I'm not, you know, I'm not one of these USA or bust guys, but I also appreciate it I know you're bringing this up because the women's Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I feel very very thrilled for our country and the women's team Congratulations on a back-to-back man. Oh, yeah, that's great. I remember I don't watch football at all But soccer or football, okay? I don't watch either anymore, but I got so into the 2015 Women's National Team World Cup win like it was intense. And so ever since then I watch

The shit out of women's soccer internationally when I can I would say the probably the I But this is a little bit fucked up to that's not fucked up. Yeah, it's weird to admit But like probably the sport I watch most is pro wrestling. Yeah Yeah, I don't even watch a ton of pro wrestling anymore or regularly But the little amount of other sports I watch is eclipsed by a huge sports guy Yeah, and I don't I don't see I don't know if there's a ton of international competition and pro wrestling. Yeah Unless it's in Saudi Arabia

That Iran versus Saudi Arabia thing was not well played Yeah, that wasn't great poorly done So Jordan there's a podcast where I know a lot about International competition and Alex Jones and I only know a lot about the first one second one not so much Jordan today We have a very interesting episode to go over. We are going to be talking about July 5th 2019 which is a present-day episode, right? I want to say one thing very clearly I have gotten a lot of feedback from listeners that are expressing a Sentiment that this is too much Alex Jones in a row. We need a wacky Wednesday break. Yeah, and I empathize

Absolutely, I understand that and I feel it. I absolutely do One of the considerations though is that there's a lot going on in Alex's world right now It's it takes a lot of attention To that's required you got to focus on this stuff Mm-hmm one of the other issues is that it's a time suck like if I check in on something as a potential wacky Wednesday thing And I listen to like two hours of somebody talk and like this isn't good. This doesn't work Yeah, that's two hours lost right and that's happened a bunch. Yeah, well when we have a schedule like we do where it's yeah It's very difficult to to fit that stuff in and I empathize

Today is a modern-day Alex episode, but it'll be also a hybrid wacky Wednesday episode big so that I Think that will be satisfying for some people All right And it'll all become very clear what I mean as we get into this but before we do Jordan I have take a moment to say thank you to the people who signed up and are supporting the show I really appreciate it and I completely forgot to give any shout out so I noticed that halfway through and I couldn't bring it up So we're behind

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Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Drew Thank you very much, Drew. If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show I like what these guys do. Please feel free to do so by going to our website knowledge fight calm There's a button that says support the show. We would appreciate it would be lovely. So Jordan July 5th 2019 day after the day after Independence Day, we've already got tanks rolling through the the Capitol Alex had predicted that Antifa was gonna commit chemical warfare against all manner of conservatives Did you're out there with your kids? They're going to blind them. They did say that. Yes, magical milkshakes, right?

None of that has come to pass. We're recording this on Sunday and there was a whole weekend of Nonsensical bullshit. So if something pops off tonight, don't blame us for not knowing about it It's in the future from when we're recording. Yeah, but the 4th of July predictions that Alex had did not come true at all Um, surprisingly, so he's got to kind of take a different approach when he comes Well everything I said before the 4th is wrong, so he has to kind of ignore that that was a legitimate prediction and fear he was trying to stoke in people and so instead of focusing on how wrong he was He decides I am going to go fucking hard About how great Trump's speech was on the 4th. Oh, no, and here is him introducing the theme that's going to develop throughout this episode

Ladies and gentlemen, we are broadcasting worldwide on July 5th 2019 I am your host Alex Jones Uh, last night I watched Trump's speech when they re-aired it on C-Span C-Span and It was Very powerful and a confirmation Of just how far we're going as a culture and a society against the globalist and this was a exorcism

Against the new world order and against the america hating Systems that wanted to moralize us. This was a very christian Very americana pure western renaissance moment This was absolutely amazing I am so honored by it all Really we've come this far together and I'm I know a lot of you are very very happy right now This is a big deal. It's totally triggering the globalist. There's no way today that we're gonna even be able to do justice to this

I'm gonna do a whole special 36 hour broadcast. We've decided kicking off next wednesday. Cool. Just to dissect the speech We need money from 1776 worldwide. It's all coming up the start of the next segment But first proof democrats hate america and want civil war compared to what we're trying to do here today Okay, so I guess there is still a little bit. Oh, okay. All right. All right. It's certainly de-escalated In terms of the immediacy of it. They're coming to kill all of us Well, they didn't but have you heard this speech? It was an exorcism. It was an exorcism. Trump is a witch Yeah, so that's kind of the vibe that alex is going to be putting out is that trump was

presiding over some sort of a A pseudo pagan christian ritual in order to exercise the anti american forces. All right. All right It's really fucked up if you consider like if you just take a step back and you forget about the fact that alex is Had the career. He's had right. He's presumably someone who's read things. Yeah, he's legitimately up here saying trump is doing magic You just strip away all the other stuff. It's like, all right, man Yeah, you know, I think in that regard he really does agree with trump Because I'm guessing trump thinks he's up there doing magic too I think the trump would probably not believe it as literally as alex is presenting. I don't know like I got the magic in me

At this point, I don't know man. All bets are off. Yeah, who knows So in this next clip alex Brings up one of the reasons that he believes that trump and malania were aware That this was a magical ritual that they were conducting. All right, and that is that they were super emotional Um, we'll Oh boy, that's the c-span two shot was a different mix of cameras I was closer up on malania and trump's faces and I've got to get that I need those faces

I need because trump almost broke down crying three times And you could see him gulping back never seen his body language malania was on fire She did get lit on fire like some angelic queen and What was radiating americana and the love of the country and they know exactly What they're doing This is literally a ritual

Of bringing christianity back into america and love of our nation and love of our people in unity the exact opposite of what the globalist Are saying and what the globalist Are doing check the like I watched some of the videos that alex was pointing to where he's like there Like trump is about to cry. He just looks confused. Yeah He's a confused old man. That's the rorschach test that is trump's face right right alex can see almost crying I can see sundowning. Yeah Right, right, right. It's all kind of similar visually. You know, I think when I think angelic

Beauty and and love towards america I think of a woman who wore a jacket that said I don't care on the back of it, right? That's what I think of nothing is more godly than not giving a shit about the death of the poor Alex might think that is americana. That's true. That actually might be true So he might not be internally inconsistent I can find no evidence of them crying. Uh, there might have been something that appeared to be tears But that might have been the rain Yeah, uh, I find this like you like you before the clip started. You said this is flimsy. I agree. Yeah

flimsy as A light way of putting it. Yeah But I mean alex really goes hard on this this narrative It is all a religious ritual and he just beats it into his audience's head I saw Not a power trip Not someone loving that crowd of people there, but I saw trump

in the office of president with his wife Turning the tide With all those people together in a huge ritual. I'm gonna go with the first two headlines on info wars dot com trump successfully performs Exorcism Against the globalist and the left in fact, let's pull up the exact headline if we can So he this is crazy on a couple levels because the first thing is alex is reporting that this was an exorcism

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and then the second thing that's crazy is that it's now being reported as successful. Yeah. Yeah So not only is this a magical ritual, but it worked So how do but how would you know it worked? Especially on the fifth. I would say if you're just making it up I would say that that's a pretty good way you could be confident in your reporting Well, I mean maybe what he's saying is that there were they were demon possessed and now everybody that was a globalist was woken up Show me one person I don't know if she's a globalist. I mean, I'm sure she is

Why did I protest So one of the things that alex um is talking about being these forces that need exercising Um, he gets into them a little bit and this is probably the only point of the episode that I think is like This isn't what I want to cover The rest of this is going to be really fun But he's got to yell about like drag queen story time and try parade a little bit And I only I only even include these clips Because of a specific thing that he's saying about them

That I think needs uh to be you know pushed back on a little bit Otherwise, it would just be like hey, he's talking shit again. Let's ignore it. Yeah I have scores of articles with them now admitting that at drag queen story time sponsored by nambla Children are mounted on top men and hump the men What we have videos and photos of this At gay pride parades they hump children now He's just making this up. Uh drag queen story time is not sponsored by nambla. I would be surprised if nambla sponsors anything I don't think in 20 fucking 19. Yeah, I don't think they even other than

Jeffrey Epstein's defense team. Yeah, they don't exist as a actual organization. Yeah, that has any right real, uh Formal structure to it or at all. Yeah, who's the CEO of nambla? There might actually be somebody. Oh, that's that might actually exist. That might they don't have a cfo. I'll tell you that right now So, uh, alex there at the end of saying that like they just grow up kids at uh pride And I was like that's really fucked up that I don't think that's true Um, I was wondering where he was getting this from and he gives me a clue in this next clip We have videos and photos of this At gay pride parades they hump children now

And you're like, well, that's insane in in in europe they have sex with the children in public And so many of them did it just two weeks ago at gay pride parades in two european cities The police couldn't do anything because it was mayors and others Openly having sex with the children in mass rebellion. I really don't think that's true. You don't I really don't think that's true Oh, that's interesting. I think I would have heard more about that. Yeah, two european cities had mayors fucking kids outside Yeah, that's a completely made-up thing alex is saying to demonize the lgbtq community It's become an incredibly common occurrence on this show To hear alex say shit like this that's just completely not true

But it hits the ear fresh and offensive nonetheless because of the scale of what he's lying about alex is repeating talking points from the far right in a fascist smear campaign coming out of europe Which these these attacks have been directed against the lgbtq community in recent weeks This traces back to backlash from a recent pride parade held in warsaw And as we discussed in the episode where we covered stafan malinu going to poland to become a white nationalist Warsaw in poland is not the chillest place in the world right now for non heterosexual white dudes. Nope Jaroslaw Kaczynski the head of the law and justice party and the power behind the polish president at the moment He is labeled the lgbtq rights movement a foreign import and a threat

Right just before the pride parade a far right journalist from poland called for people to shoot on lgbtq activists That's not good But he was quick to point out that he didn't mean it literally and then he compared pride parade organizers to nazis according to the independent quotes some Town council leaders have also made a point of saying that their municipality is lgbt free in recent months There is a real negative trend that you're seeing from the far right in poland. Yeah. Yeah The environment poland is not good from a political perspective right now From articles that i've read and information i've found it does appear that socially the population is trending towards greater acceptance

And support for lgbtq folk But that's caused a harsh backlash from the far right ruling party. That's a surprise Part of that backlash has been attacking warsaw mayor rafal Raza raza kowski for participating in the warsaw pride parade and for saying quote Not everyone has to go to equality parade, but everyone should respect minority rights It's really important for me that warsaw be open and warsaw be tolerant That is a sentiment that is in direct opposition to the far right agenda in poland And so to attack the rising tide of public acceptance of lgbtq rights

They've launched a public campaign to portray the demands of equality as actually being an attack on families And an attempt to sexualize children So weird to see bigots across the world from warsaw to austin coming up with the exact same smears and narratives Almost like they're working out of the exact same playbook It's like wait a second. Did poland get invaded by the nazis or were they nazis secretly the whole fucking time? I don't know. Why don't you write a blog about it? I think I will The day after the march uh a march for life and the family was held in 130 towns in poland The march had been held in previous years to protest abortion

But this year was co-opted by this anti lgbtq momentum and it made its theme quote protecting children from premature sexualization All of this is absolutely what alex is lying about and embellishing when he says that a mayor in europe was having sex with children in the street That is alex knowing that his audience is full of dumb bigots Who will accept his version of the story when in reality the mayor of warsaw just expressed support for the pride parade That is what he is embellishing and lying about and this is why I never accept those arguments that people make that it's like Alex is just an over-the-top guy leading you to the truth Yeah, like he is just like he wakes you up out of your slumber by being hyperbolic Right. He literally said that a mayor is having sex with children in europe. Yep

What he is embellishing is a mayor expressing support for a pride parade. Yep. That is not leading you to the truth That is leading you towards accepting far-right fascist smears coming out of europe in service of dehumanizing Delegitimizing and oppressing lgbtq individuals who are just trying to Accept or be accepted. It's not a trivial issue. No, so that's that's it for alex's sort of uh piece of shittery No, no, yeah, well the stuff that's like, uh, yeah Uh But in this next clip alex gets back to talking about how trump's fourth of july speech was a ritual But then he kind of goes off the rails

I haven't hit The ritual trump conducted yet and i'm gonna do it next segment. What? He knows what ritual come hooker crook But it was absolutely incredible Absolutely insane I agree That they're attacking it and it just really shows you the two different sides here crystal clear and confirms everything

We always knew about the left. They want our guns. They hate our country. They want to have sex with our children. They're just evil And history shows that you go through these periods We're gonna go to break. Um, this is the last few days of the save and full wars fourth of july mega special The last few days are the day after Yeah, yeah, yeah So when we talk about the idea that alex is hyperbolic in order to wake people up and that being complete bullshit You see here the thing that he is being hyperbolic about and the thing that he is exaggerating Um, which is they want to fuck your kids. Yeah, he then turns around it uses as an introduction

For his sales pitch about why he needs to keep existing to fight back against this imaginary bullshit That he is exaggerated Uh, to make you scared of right to make you worried about right This is a very easy game to figure out. Yeah, if you'll just pay attention to the structure of his show Now One of the things about alex is that he knows a lot about history Uh, he knows a lot about lore. Well history is lore. So you Let's see you

You know, it's a lot about real stuff for sure I'm trying to find a better way to phrase this but i'm just gonna have to let it slide. Yeah He has a lovely imagination What he likes to imagine is the left getting mad about things, uh, that seems to be something he obsesses about Yeah, um, unfortunately, he he doesn't understand what the things that he thinks anger the liberals are Yeah, that sounds right. It's pretty clearly demonstrated by this next clip You can see how much they love seeing america come back from the dead and stopping the demoralization of the people So let's start rolling battle him of the republic christian song

triggering the left massively Oh That was bad that's enough of that Uh, it's really funny that alex thinks that the battle him of the republic is somehow gonna trigger libs Or that it's in any way in line with his distorted version of christianity or even american history For one thing the song itself is just a new set of lyrics that were written in 1861 It's set to a pre-existing tune from the song john brown's body Which itself is based on a folk song whose precise origins are a matter of dispute

A good many scholars have argued that it has its roots in african-american communities in the pre-civil war south Do you mean like most music or at least good? Both john brown's body and the battle him of the republic are strongly abolitionist songs John brown's body was sung exclusively by union soldiers and it was decidedly Anti-confederacy as evidenced by the lyrics quote They will hang jeff davis to a sour apple tree and quote now three rousing cheers for the union Not not bad pretty overt. It's a little bit obvious. Yeah I'm glad they might i'm glad they changed the lyrics and we're not still singing the song

That's like we're gonna hang a man hang jefferson davis for what sour apple tree We're gonna do it the battle him him of the republic was written by julia ward how someone who alex would absolutely have called Woman an sj. Dub if he was around in the 1800s She was decidedly a dedicated abolitionist and wrote her songs specifically to give a more cleaned up version of john brown's body To rally the union army to defeat the confederacy After the civil war how dedicated herself to the battle for women's suffrage putting her squarely on the right side of history on Two important issues of her time. I'm so triggered Though her version was a little bit less overt

It and didn't include the part about hanging confederate president jefferson davis, which may be true It was still pretty clearly anti confederate one verse in particular stands out Quote in the beauty of the lilies christ was born across the sea with the glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me As he died to make men holy let us die to make men free while god is marching on The only people who should be triggered by the playing of the battle him of the republic are people like alex whose family fought for the confederacy This song is literally about killing his family members who took up arms to defend slavery I don't think that people who uh don't know about the song's histories would be that triggered by it either I feel like most people who don't really think about it all that much just kind of accept it as a patriotic classic

That gets brought out every uh time we have an america fetishizing holiday I used to play it in the marching band, right every year. I think most people kind of it rolls off them like Whatever Still doing anybody who knows anything about the history of the song would know like that these are specifically abolitionist songs Let's kill the slave owners Let's fuck up alex's great-grandfather

That would be so funny if he did happen to be in the song alex legitimately believes that he is his ancestors Yes, he has that idea that like uh your ancestors live on through you So his confederate ancestors are him right that song is legitimately still trying to kill him It is the only reason we keep singing it as it is followed his family through him anybody should hate that song Yeah, it's him. Absolutely. That's the only uh reason to hate that song and because he's his ancestors the wound should still be fresh Absolutely, you know, he's still bitter about that song. Yeah So, uh, I don't know. I think he's just talking shit about the battle him of the republic But that is par for the course right and this next clip alex gets really weird

Um and sort of these are the kind of clips. I really enjoy seeing Um, this is alex adding a new layer to his past history. Uh, that makes him into just a big old hero I I've never really I don't think I've heard him bring this up before I think he might have brought this up if this was something that was true Yeah, I think this is just a retcon while he was selling oil paintings. He tackled a would be mugger No, but i'm sure he did This is spiritual war ladies and gentlemen and

You know, I used to think I was crazy when I was a little kid you were yeah because You don't really call it the visions. It's just a knowing and of a job you've got to do And the never even as you get older even thinking about what you thought when you were a kid And then once you're in college and things like that for getting college when you were young like four or five six years old God telling you you have a mission and and then envisioning what was going to happen And then later it happens and you look back and you say that wasn't like Oprah Winfrey's the secret Where you just say something and imagine Oprah Winfrey's it's all about destiny and providence and bloodlines and backgrounds Ongoing wars and god's plan and providence and you step into that. It's not that god's making things happen

God's put forward these different future Roads and then you've got to choose the path that you're going to go on But the paths are predestined if he's saying that cause and effect exists Then I guess I agree with him But the part that's really strange to me is that what he's expressing is that from The age a very young age. Yeah, he's had visions of what he's doing now Right, which I don't believe at all. No, it's because god gave him. I don't believe that at all. His life would not be so full of complete Uh 90 degree turns

Down bizarre roads. He didn't tell you what the path has looked like dam. I guess so god set out these paths Which again makes no sense. It doesn't it makes no sense because if god has already pre-ordained certain paths It doesn't matter which ones you go down. You don't have any control over it. That's stupid In this next clip, alex talks more about how the trumps were crying. Sure during the speech and again, I just have to stress I have No evidence of this. I do not also. I don't care. Right. Oh, yeah, that's another point. Yeah Yeah Alex, he's not from here liberty and justice and love of christ

Her lips trembling her eyes on fire with liberty in the holy spirit. She was an illegal immigrant. That's why I'm feeling it Having to purse his lips and hold back tears and you look at hd the tear comes out of his eye Knowing that they tried to fight this nation tried to crush it try to tear it apart Try to conquer our souls, but they have failed So, I mean, this is just turning like trump into a god king. Yeah, that's that's what's going on. Absolutely. This this is almost like an attempt to Uh, deify. Yeah, which alex has been on that tip for a long time, but like it's so overt It's so insanely Uh, naked this attempt to uh inexorably tie american providence and what it means to be patriotic with this

Singular executive right seems to be against what alex pretends to stand for But who knows? Well, you know what ramsey's the second, uh, his main rally rallying cry was 1776 2.0 I believe yeah, right as ozzy mandamus ozzy mandamus was against americana. Yeah, exactly if I know anything So alex on this episode one of his big Narratives that he's convoluted and I don't really care about is that he was Looking at responses to trump's speech Sure, and he saw the mainstream media come out with a bunch of hit pieces But how trump's stupid and all this is like trump is making this about himself, but

Then those pieces were immediately taken down Because the media realized they were going to come out with this attack, but then no one liked it So they doubled back. I don't I don't know that this is true. I have no way I can Confirm or deny this. I think what alex is talking about is other people posted like, uh, re Uh streams or rebroadcasts of like cnn or msnbc and those got hit with copyright strikes, right? That's what I'm guessing he's talking about. Yeah, but I'm not really sure He's not specific enough that there's any threads I can pull and I don't care, right?

I think he's just making shit up. It could just be completely made up, right But pardon parcel of this narrative is that the reason that they ended up taking all these things down was because the backlash From the patriots and the good americans was so strong Now if you're wondering how alex gauges that he explains in this next clip, hopefully and it's not very good It was so exciting as I said last night Is I typed in trump into youtube And every video for 10 pages deep was vicious attacks with headlines like Critics say it was terrible

Trump's horrible. Trump made it all about himself public hate shit small crowds And I clicked on dozens of them And I looked at the comments in every comment on the ones I clicked was just I'm done. You're pathetic. This was a great Event he didn't make it about himself. It made it about all of us coming together I'm so proud of my country, you know, I used to be a liberal but now I learned they really do hate america They want us all to hate each other to control us. I mean the comments were all on fire If you're gauging uh public sentiment by youtube comments, you're not doing good

No, that's the marketplace of ideas. That's that's where that's the acropolis of our times dan I would suggest That if you had better information, you wouldn't use youtube comments as a reinforcement of your argument I don't know. I would say that generally speaking Not very serious people Cherry pick youtube comments in order to like reinforce that I would say that this is a damning indictment of alex's process and what he considers relevant information If he thinks that youtube comments are somehow worth being a part of a discussion

um I think that I don't know. Well, it's just it's just embarrassing like if if he wasn't playing Uh stacked game like if he didn't have an audience that demanded so little of him He would be like if we did that we would be pillory. Oh, no, it would be a nightmare That would be nuts if you cited as one of your sources a youtube comment everyone would go pen youtube comments Even if I used specifics. Yeah, it's like, hey, you know what everybody hates trump and here's why I believe that

Look at these youtube comments. Yeah Holy shit. Also, it kind of suggests that when he says that he watched dozens and dozens of youtube videos and looked at the comments It's more like he went to dozens of videos and looked at the comments without watching the video I don't even know what he's saying. You know, it does not it does not matter to me Who has time for dozens and dozens of youtube? Yeah, but you know these youtube videos that he was watching that may or may not have been taken down They were expressing a real hatred of america because they hate trump. Yep Now it wasn't just youtube videos that alex found. There were also articles that were written

Um, that are are america hating. Yes, and alex has found one and this is how he decides to cover it vox reporter says the u.s. Would have been better off Staying with england and you look at the guy That's how you're gonna judge what he said. Yeah, look at this guy Look at this guy No, no, don't read what he celebrates for the july by seeing the american revolution was a mistake. Let me explain something Every reporter they've had on me from bust feed or any of these places looks like this whether it's a woman or a man put him back on screen please

And blow up his face for people. He's got a face that's more evil than brian stelters full screen please that is an insult, sir Now Think about that Ha ha ha And you look at him. He's got this satisfied evil Creepy dirty oily look and then I googled his name and more photos each one looks more creepy After the next good analysis so far the disingenuousness of him right photos

Of of a writer. This is a guy on july 4th telling you how much america sucks And you wouldn't let that guy Clean your toilets. You wouldn't let him work on your pool. You wouldn't get let him get anywhere near your children Okay, this is gross So alex is going really hard after vox reporter dylan matthews and alex's primary complaint seems to be that dylan isn't attractive This is pretty weak stuff. Yeah. Yeah, what did what did you write? Well, I'll give you some context the article that alex is responding to is something that dylan wrote in 2015 The article was updated this year

But I compared the articles and it appears that the only update was giving it a new headline Apparently that gives alex alex just enough justification to report on a four-year-old article that was written and published while obama was president As if it's somehow a recent thing and an attack on trump And it was the last time the u.s. Women's national team won the women's world cup So we're all good together dylan's argument comes down to three points as to why staying with the british empire might have led to a better outcome Generally speaking. Yeah, the first is that slavery would have been abolished sooner And this is not a debatable point england had abolished slavery before the american revolution and abolished it in all of its colonies except india in

1834 with india following along in 1843 the emancipation proclamation didn't formally abolish slavery in the united states until 1865 I'm sure alex would probably say that who cares about an extra 22 years of non-slavery, but I think that's a pretty dumb argument So dylan's first point is absolutely correct If we were still in the british empire slavery would have been outlawed sooner and possibly even without a civil war being needed to do it Right the second argument that he makes is that while there would have been inevitable conflict and violence between the colonists and native americans It would have been far less horrible if the Colonies had remained as a part of the british empire dylan's not painting a utopian version of what would possibly have been

Rather, he's just pointing out that the ethnic cleansing that took place in our early history Was the direct result of an insatiable hunger for western expansion which the british set limits on with their proclamation of 1763 It's hard to know exactly how things would have played out But if you look back at what our independent country did to native peoples it kind of does make you think a little bit Yeah, it's possible. It's possible. That's a decent point. No, you're arguing a counterfactual and that's always very difficult Like imagine possible worlds, but there's there's something worth thinking about there Yeah, especially but you know, it's in terms of the dominoes that would have fallen you you cannot make any But that's why he has tons of caveats in there about like there still would have been fighting people still would have been violent towards each other

For sure But just possibly the trail of tears wouldn't have happened. Yeah, possibly reservations wouldn't have happened Who knows? Yeah, the last point dylan makes is that the parliamentary system of government is more stable than what we have come up with parliamentary systems He says are less likely to collapse into dictatorships since they lack the focus on a singular authority Which characterizes presidential systems He further points out that parliamentary systems generally experience less gridlock and legislation Can be generally passed much easier in that sort of system as opposed to our conflict based system

That often ends up in a situation where one side wants something one side wants the opposite of something And no one can make any headway complete gridlock. Yeah agree or disagree with dylan matthew's points It's not fair to say that he hates america from the text of this article It's one thing to dispute his premises It's entirely another to accuse him of being a demon because you don't want to engage with his ideas Then do a little segment on your show where you call him ugly and imply he's a danger to children This is childish bullshit, but it's no surprise coming from alex. Absolutely not dylan's article was originally published on july 2nd 2015

And on july 7th 2015 vox published a response article with the headline quote No, the american revolution was not a mistake in this article Jeff stein does exactly what alex jones is incapable of doing Taking dylan's points considering them and expressing counterpoints that he feels make a better argument Surprisingly not once in stein's article. Does he call dylan ugly? No, he had to have at least one doesn't the headline was Here's a response to this ugly dude No, the american revolution was a good idea get a load of this guy vox published both of these articles because they both bring up interesting perspective on history

They both use primary sources to defend their differing views on how things would have been different if the united states hadn't declared independence vox published both of these articles not because they hate america But because they're media outlets that are interested in publishing interesting content In contrast to that in fours is a media outlet interested in publishing content based on personal insults Making shit up and lying about headlines. Yeah the difference could not be clearer, right? It's really it's really interesting to me, especially within the context of these free speech dum-dums This whole idea of like you dangerous ideas

You guys can't exist in the in the marketplace of ideas and debate our ideas like alex is talking about a four-year-old vox article That they themselves published a response to from another author where there was a debate between the two Like these articles are not just articles that exist where like a guy made this point and Completely unrelated another guy made a different point The jeff stein's article is a direct response to dylan matthew's article There is an interplay that's happening between them within a media source right like vox is allowing these ideas to be discussed And interact with each other for public consumption. Yeah, that is a marketplace of ideas

One guy saying american revolution bad the other saying aha. No good. It was good And in fact, I disagree with some of your points and I here's why I disagree with those points That is what alex and his dickhole friends pretend they want to do In reality what alex wants to do is say that these people are a bunch of globalist fucks and call them ugly And then imply that they want to hurt your kids and then make money off of doing that That's that's what it is. It's a con any any free speech advocate on the right All they really want is to be wrong loudly and never have to deal with it They don't want any argument. They don't want any kind of learning possibility. They don't want any pushback

They want to be able to say what they want to say no matter how wrong no matter how racist Stupid Without ever having to to deal with the consequences of it. Exactly Jordan I've been texting you since yesterday And telling you that I have found something completely amazing game changing game changing You said game changing specifically this to me is game changing that the game will be changed And this is also dove tailing into where we reach the point of the episode where things take a little bit of a feel

Of a wacky wednesday. All right. Okay. And that is because alex gets a guest To come into studio. This is a guest that we're aware of we've we've met this guy before but I don't know if we've paid him Nearly enough attention. Okay. Uh, this is a guy who's italian He pretends that he knows shit about the vatican. Oh, no, ladies and gentlemen I present to you alex jones hanging out with leo zagami. Jesus christ leo came here wednesday and he said I brought you a bottle of champagne That was a very expensive and all the news in italy When when trump won three years ago, uh, and so

He he he brought me a bottle of it. In fact the Decorative box is right over there on that desk if somebody could bring it to me out of the dark over there Uh, and I was kind of like, well, what are we going to celebrate? Well, just the fact that trump's in there and I but now that after this fourth of july speech That's his biggest yet the way the left demonized it lied about it Said it was all about him when it wasn't how well it was received while they're trying to ban the american flag and You know trying to do all of this. Uh, this is a very good time to celebrate. So I don't normally have Champagne, uh, you know at 12 30 noon. I've actually don't really drink much these days

But in celebration of this I am more than happy to do this with leo zagami and his lovely wife Who's here so in a minute she'll have to come up and share out of your glass I've only got two glasses here. Uh, leo zagami, but he keeps being like I should have had a third glass Yeah, there's there's a real sense of regret that I rarely see it in like could have had a third glass Rude it was just rude. Yeah, also a funny story leo zagami's wife in 2017 published a book called Confessions of an Illuminati princess. Okay that I do believe was Maybe ghost written by leo. Okay. Well, yeah, or at least the blurb on amazon is because it seems to glorify leo

Of course my wife wrote a book and it's all about how giant my penis is isn't that crazy It's close to that but replace giant penis with super important illuminati inside Jordan I I've listened to leo zagami show up on alex's show in the past I've heard him even when he made an appearance on project camalot because he did Yes, he did I have listened to him a bunch and a lot of the stuff that I was able to find If my research today is not stuff that has ever come up

It is not stuff that alex has ever saw fit to be like hey now I should tell you this about leo zagami I cannot wait to tell you this is one of my favorite stories that I will ever tell on this podcast and no matter how much I do this I cannot Oversell this. Okay. All right. All right. You got a lot to live up to so here's leo just talking some shit Uh, what would you call this historical time we're in right now? It's a time of real renaissance as a time of getting back what was taken from us and

We were in italy the first organization to believe in trump before he became a president we did time four years ago When he was first running i met with you in italy again. You said he's gonna win He's like burlesconi who i know your friends with and you were explaining it ultimately. Oh, no, he's not friends with burlesconi Oh, okay. I was gonna say because if he's friends with burlesconi That would be a great starting point for the best story that you could ever tell on this I strongly believe that that is a part of his mythology that he has just invented I have I see no evidence that he's friends with burlesconi. You're a big fan of musolini, right? You are a huge fan of that. Yes Um, so in this next clip leo, uh confesses to a crime

A bottle like this costs 2000 euros. That means approximately 2500 dollars. Wow So we are about to open a very expensive bottle, which I advise you to keep for posterity because oh, I will I've never I've never had a 2000 bottle of anything I'll think a hundred dollars is fancy for me I'll get a wedding or something. I'll work your class, baby Yeah, I have to thank also the people at the fiumicino airport My friend andresi nini who came to pick us up outside of the airport and brought us through the vip line So we could avoid any control

That's right. If you don't allow to bring liquor or alcohol into a country Well, especially a luxury thing like that brand like this one because if you go and check on the internet the name of this brand Which is moristrico. So so quite a journey to get this here to us. Yes. Yes. Wow I was wondering what one bottle of this this all that exists. That's it. Yeah illegally trafficked Champagne into the country. So if I understand correctly, they are celebrating somebody getting past customs and border protection Yeah Yeah Fun irony when it's a really expensive bottle of champagne you get to enjoy. Yeah, dumbass fun

I don't really care about that. I may be hypocrisy means nothing anymore. No, no But also I might be of the mind that uh, I don't give a shit if you bring a bottle of champagne Yeah, I don't I don't know why that needs to be heavily controlled I'm sure there's a reason but who cares what I'm saying is I'm not calling for leo zagami to get in trouble for bringing a bottle of Champagne into the country. No, it's just hilarious I just want them to be detained to be detained in some sort of camp So you remember in uh earlier when you were talking about how uh, melania is uh an immigrant She is an illegal immigrant for at least a year. Well, alex makes an interesting, uh, you know a little

Comment here Here's the president trump. Oh and melania. Give me life. Well, I want her to run for president. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah She can't let's repeal the amendment that foreign born can't be president for her, but haven't the amendment only for her See, it's funny because of all the stuff he said about obama. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's funny because she's married to a guy who uh, was a birther right It's funny because alex doesn't really care about all the uh, not even in the slightest But it's funny because even then all he really wants is Trump to be telling her what to do while she's president, right?

So, uh, fucking stupid alex keeps, uh, talking about how hot leo's wife is of great, um It's weird and kind of uncomfortable and it leads to this I'm very glad to be here with my wife. That's absolutely beautiful. I shared with melania. The fact that they are both x models And and so it's uh, it's it's a coincidence, but also we like fine ladies And you have also fine wife, which i met when you were not even i think married yet Ah, we like fine women So they just sort of talk a bit of shit for the first uh, your first glass of champagne sitting around uh, bold

Just talking about nothing. Yeah, so now jordan We've talked about leo's economy a little bit in the past He popped up in our 2015 investigation as a complete weirdo saying absurd things that alex Accepted as smart sounding because he thinks anyone with an accent is a genius. Yes To recap who uh for anyone who missed those episodes Leo's agami's whole thing is that he used to be in the illuminati But now he's become a whistleblower warning the world about their nefarious satanic plans He also apparently is a vatican insider, which i guess just comes with the territory

You know like if you're in with the illuminati you probably get invited to some vatican mixers for sure You know a little cocktail hour at the vatican. Yeah, I assume you go to every place of power, you know, like uh, uh, you know mason's for sure There in the mix. Yeah. Yeah. Getty museum for sure. You're invited there all the time He's running one of the simplest scams imaginable The illuminati doesn't exist so he could just make up whatever shit he wants and trick it It's into thinking he has inside information about it on the flip side The catholic church is an insanely corrupt organization full of monsters and people who protect monsters

So they're pretty easy also to make shit up about and make it sound credible If you just predict that a bunch of priests are going to be outed as abusers There's a non-zero chance that even if you're making it up your prediction may come true I would say there's probably a hundred percent chance that it's a safe game. He's playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah There's very little reliable information about leo's agami online For the most part no one really cares about him outside of conspiracy circles So the only real coverage of him comes from that perspective, which isn't super critical and all of it's pretty dicey Yeah, however

There is an amazing story to be told here and in order to tell you it I've had to scour message boards long dormant conspiracy sites and foreign youtube channels What i'm going to present to you today is as close as i can get to the actual true story of how leo's agami got to Where he is today and how he clearly demonstrates how little research alex and his team do on somebody Before they allow them to be presented as a credible guest on their show So there isn't too much concrete information known about leo's agami pre 2008 Really important to have that if you're gonna make bullshit up about the illuminati. Yeah According to the bio he has on his website

He was working as a dj and record producer under the name leo young until 2006 at which point he decided to start exposing the illuminati His father was a professor of psychology named leo's agami and his mother was jessica lyon young Who leo alleges is quote a member of the queen mother of england's family her middle name is literally lyon But that's his uh, uh, his interpretation of it or his Yeah, no, no, no, I know but i mean come on. Yeah, that's apparently his uh, mother's uh, his maternal last name right I don't know He doesn't specify how he's related to the queen mother and from digging around In as much as I can I can't find any close relations with the queen mother who have that name

The only references I can find to jessica lyon young being related to the royal family come from various websites that have reposted leo's self written bio Given the other things I know about him. I strongly suspect he's making up his connection to the queen mother Leo's life story, uh Up to going public against the illuminati goes something like this He was born into a scottish sicilian illuminati A chris aristocratic bloodline and as such he's been a part of the illuminati since the day he was born Of course as a lifelong member. He was groomed as a prince of the illuminati reaching the rank of the 33rd degree Of masonic initiation at the notorious italian p2 lodge

Okay, okay before he decided to expose the secret society He was set to replace the previous king of the illuminati But leo was disgusted by the satanism he was surrounded by So he turned his back on it all and chose the path of light So we're going this is full lion king here. You bet. Okay. This is an essential piece of his hero's journey He stood to inherit everything all the power in the world all the riches But because he cared too much about the world he rejected it all To fact check his story

I should point out that the lodge he claimed to be a part of p2 was definitely real Uh, but it also closed when leo was six years old So it seems unlikely he was a member there The only direct evidence he's ever provided of his membership in any masonic lodge is a picture of his membership badge from curby lodge 2818 The thing that's important to understand about the masons though is that they keep exhaustive records Their entire organization basically revolves around ritual and record keeping is a part of that Included in their record keeping of course are reports where they kick people out of their lodge

Oh, no leo zigami was kicked out of curby lodge within two years of joining for behavioral problems Including but not limited to excessive use of profanity After that point he started just joining a bunch of fake lodges that aren't even involved with the masons But they seek to create the illusion that they are if he ever reached any high level of initiation anywhere It's in fake masonic lodges, which seems on brand. Yeah. Yeah. Are they are they are they More like apostate masonic lodges or are they like a bunch of weekend dudes just like We don't want to do the actual masonic. Yeah, and I think I think some of it Is either of those groups and I think there's even a third cross section that is like

I want to be weirder than that. Yeah, of course, of course Whatever I feel like Is masonic isn't actually so i'm gonna create my own lodge that adheres to my version of them Uh, it's like praising aliens. Yeah. Yeah, it's just branding. Yeah, so in 2008 leo found himself living in norway In march 2008 carry Cassidy over a project camelot received a message from a norwegian politician who had a dire warning Quote the norwegian government is building more and more underground bases and bunkers Planet x is coming. Okay. The people that are going to be left on the surface will die Along with the others and get no help whatsoever

The plan is that two million norwegians are going to be safe and the rest will die All the governments in the world are aware of this and they just say it is going to happen I assure you 100 that things will happen There are four years to prepare for the end game get weapons and make survival groups and a place where you can be safe With food for a time. Okay, so he was on the 2012 tip Well, this is from an alleged norwegian politician Right, right. It's just important to point out that at the time leo zegami lived in norway That is it does seem like those two facts might come

The politician offered to answer any questions carry might have which led to a correspondence In his messages, he makes a number of predictions that do not come true And they should have based on him saying that the things were set up in advance They weren't predictions in the way he was saying he was saying this is what the plan is For instance, he said that sieve jansen would be elected prime minister of norway in 2009 Which didn't happen. Oh, okay Interestingly in february 2008 leo zegami had been interviewed on project camelot So he was in place to be a valuable source to check in with about this letter from an alleged norwegian politician

And that's exactly what happened. He ran it. He ran a two-man one-man game on kerry cassidy. Maybe We'll get a bit more into this as it goes along. There's something very suspicious going on I am enjoying his temerity dad. Yeah So kerry called leo to interview him about this alleged politician whistleblower leo's Profile in the conspiracy world was raised dramatically in the span of a couple months. Thanks to uh, the project The platform of him being on project camelot if you'll recall when we covered jessica shab She specifically said that after she went on project camelot. She quote became famous overnight. Yeah

While it may seem like an irrelevant joke now Project camelot was a pretty large platform in the conspiracy community a decade ago And leo undoubtedly got a whole lot of traction out of being featured on the show and being mixed up in the story of this alleged norwegian politician warning about planet x A cynical mind might suggest as you kind of already have given how wrong the alleged politician was about pretty much everything It's likely that the letter was a bit of a stunt and maybe the only person who stood to gain anything from that kind of Stunt was leo himself I have no idea though. I can't prove it either way

It could be an amazing coincidence that right after he got interviewed in oslo for project camelot Kerry received a mysterious whistleblowing message from a norwegian politician. Well, you know You know, it was a norwegian politician because it was sent from lzagami at gmail.com Who else could send to that norwegian politician matter letter who knows Soon after his appearance on project camelot leo's wife left him and took their son with her It's very hard to determine what actually happened here But I can tell you that I don't believe the version of the story that's repeated ad nauseam in conspiracy circles As they tell it well, hold on

I'll just read to you from this blog called the controversy papers Which is written by someone who claims to be a personal friend of leo's keep that in mind Oh, no Controversy papers hold on to that thought this dude is kevin durant of uh conspiracy theories Quote leo's wife who had been working all along for the illuminati has accused him of spousal abuse I don't I don't know if the accusation of domestic violence is even uh, I don't know if it's true Or even if the accusations were ever actually made But I do know that I don't believe that his wife left because he was secretly uh, she was secretly working for the illuminati

Doubtful david eich pulled this exact same stunt in 2012 when he divorced his second wife Pamela lee richards who he uh, who said he decided they needed to split up after 11 years of marriage because he quote Became suspicious that she was a shape-shifting alien When intimacy deteriorates for these people their loved ones strangely always end up being secretly involved in uh with their imagined enemies You can even see this with alex jones as he blurs the lines between the actions of the globalists and his ex-wife The globalists want to take my kids away right that sort of thing. It used to be we just called them witches and burned them You know The simpler time for these assholes now. What's interesting is that leo's first wife was muslim

In fact, he repeatedly insists that she's a direct descendant of muhammad And you know what else at that time leo was muslim as well In a message board post what yeah What in a message board post leo wrote that his wife quote started to say to me that I should stop immediately My illuminati confessions on the net and convert to a strict and more fundamentalist view of islam Otherwise she will leave me that was obviously a brainwashing imposition for me and I couldn't accept such a proposal Okay, okay, all right. I'm i'm riveted first off This goes so many different places. I have no idea what's gonna happen next

So leo would go on to later claim that he converted to islam to infiltrate the religion and he became a muslim quote During an illuminati ritual he made in egypt under the great pyramid of giza. That's how you become a muslim apparently By you an illuminati religion. Yeah, apparently so. Okay. Okay. Um, so he even had a muslim alias Khalid sifullah khan If there's one thing that you learned about leo zegami when you look into him you learn this very quickly It's that he is a dude who has used a lot of different names in his career, which most normal people don't do Generally, that's because most normal people don't like to have a good time dan That's why they don't do it

So after his wife left he miraculously realized that the version of islam that she followed was actually a form of the new world order brainwashing and represented a system that was afraid of leo's life's work Right, but wasn't he inducted into that same religion through the illuminati? Don't worry about time. Okay. You're right. I apologize. That was on me. That was on me There are going to be a lot of similar problems with this. Okay, so because His wife was involved with this new world order brainwashing that was afraid of him Leo was punished by having his marriage broken up and having his child taken from him awful now From what I know about leo and for what we can learn about him and what we will learn about him today

I don't believe this angle. I think he's a maniacal shithead who if not directly abusive is someone who you might not Want you might want to divorce from if you find that yourself accidentally married to him From his account of what happened quote in any case after two weeks of not seeing my son Isaac I tried to put pressure on the religious movement of my wife in order to show me my son again But instead at 9 30 p.m. On the 4th of march two policemen And a police woman came to my house and arrest me. So I spent 12 hours in a cold prison cell So to translate leo was harassing his wife and she called the police and they responded appropriately. Yes. Yeah

While leo was in prison for that difficult 12 hours. He had a breakthrough when he met with a priest He found the strength to tell the priest about his quote forced conversion into islam to please my wife's family And the way they sold me out to the authorities as the only a true judas could do Yes, my wife sold me to my worst enemy the norwegian freemasons So the conversion to islam was both forced by his wife and an intentional plan to infiltrate the religion I got it. Okay, whatever his greatest enemy is the norwegian mason the freemasons That isn't that is a fucking serious specific and esoteric grudge to hold forever. That's fun. Yep

Conveniently when he was arrested for that 12 hours The jesuit freemason norwegian police confiscated his computers Which is where he kept all the proof about all the stories he tells about bigwigs and illuminati It is so amazing how all of his proof is is just gone And and there you know what there are so many people who were in the cia And everybody that you would ask about it is dead. It's unfortunate how this happens so frequently dan Yeah, this is another essential piece of this hero's journey that he has This tragedy that makes him unable to unequivocally prove his point to the masses

If his wife hadn't been brainwashed into filing false charges against him He never would have had his computer seized and he would still have all the proof He needs to take down the global satanic conspiracy But now he just has to be totally right about everything and everyone just looks at him like he's a madman right spoiler alert He is a madman. Yeah, that does so far. We're not getting a lot of I would say there are a lot of red flags for madman coming up, you know, you have no idea where this is going Leo's message board post continues quote from the 5th of march 2008 I'm officially a christian again as my sufferance has made me realize that

He is our only savior and mohammed is a false prophet whose descendants are involved in satanism and the new world order So leo left islam and rejoined christianity in 2008 But guess what jordan that isn't the only thing he rejoined According to his telling of it. He also rejoined the illuminati. I really feel like they don't allow that I I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say I imagine and that's just me that somebody higher up in the illuminati is like No take back to this guy. Yeah, exactly Um, he stole all of our private information and now we're just gonna be like cool. Come on back I will say that um, it does work this way when you're making it up. Yes, that's true. That's true. That is helpful

So leo claimed in may 20 2008 that he quote personally controls major parts of the illuminati But he was now using his influence in the organization for good As you've already pointed out this makes no sense He claimed that he was protected by a 12,000 man strong paramilitary group called the green lion's security team Interestingly lion being his maternal last name. Of course. There is no evidence that this group exists Apparently rejoining the illuminati didn't protect leo from legal trouble Oh, but it seems like it would have to seems like it should the illuminati run everything He's got 12,000 dudes protecting him and nobody can get assault charges dropped

According to his own book confessions of an illuminati volume two He was arrested in july 2008 when he arrived at a courthouse for child custody hearing Apparently he had recently appeared on an internet conspiracy show and quote in a typical italian actor bravado He not only threatened to kill the norwegian prime minister jen stoltenberg But also had threatened to bring down the buildings of government and parliament in norway right right that is in his own book Yeah, that's that's probably a crime. Uh, and uh, his defense That he offers towards this clear terrorist threat that he made wasn't to say that he never said those things But he says quote, uh, he had not been serious about the death threats

It is the italian way of expressing strong emotion through strong words All right. All right. Okay. All right. I did. Yes. I threatened to kill him. I was italian at the time Bad excuse for terrorist threats towards the prime minister Okay, leo was lucky to walk away without facing any Charges or jail time from that But I would say that the experience probably didn't do much to help his already enormous persecution complex and tendencies towards grandiosity He continued unabated pretending that he was in charge of a large portion of the illuminati Not one to let this craziness cool down to room temperature

leo zegami made another interesting religious conversion in 2009 as he shinto No, oh as he declared quote. I announced the new religion for 2012 matrixism. Yes Matrixism is the official religion of my ordo illuminatorum universalis Nothing else will be tolerated amongst true illuminated beings of light working for the science of god and the kingdom of god in 2019 I've only got one thing to say to that dan Whoa There's a pretty consistent thread through his work that the kingdom of god is going to be started in 2019 Which makes it particularly upsetting to have him now in 2019 popping champagne with alex jones as they celebrate trumps fourth of july speech

matrixism was a religion created by anonymous individuals online in 2004 Right after the release of the third matrix movie leo would later go on to imply that he was involved in the creation of the religion Which might be true since the founders were anonymous. I can't really confirm or deny it What I can confirm is that creating a religion based on a movie Does seem to be squarely in the category of things. I would believe leo zegami could have done for sure in his life for sure And it makes me very sad. It's so sad. You know what? It's like the people who got really depressed after avatar. Yeah, because they could never live in pandora. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I think of

It's like, yeah, you know You could just feel things and yeah I why when are we gonna get judges to understand who's dangerous and who isn't to the point where we can get them to james o' keith massively dangerous somebody who does somebody who Fucking steals something from a goddamn 7-eleven not dangerous leo zegami Ruining thousands upon thousands of lives. I don't know if he's ruining ruining thousands, but he has a really insidious influence. Yeah. Yeah

Um, yeah, I don't know get him get him in there, man. It's it's very weird how he's eluded First of all just outright exposure and also prison time. Yeah in his in his life So you could say that at this point in 2009 when he is announced that matrixism is the official religion of his world Leo was fully back on his bullshit He had a fake faction of the illuminati He was now in charge of in segments of the conspiracy world that had previously promoted him and raised his profile Were kind of forced to go along with his new developments or risk having to admit that they've been fooled by a narcissistic weirdo Just because he had an italian accent. God, that's such a good scam. He has them trapped. Yeah

They can't say like oh, this guy's full of shit because they promoted him as an illuminati insider and have based tons of their beliefs on him Right So leo continued to pedal his illuminati nonsense giving speeches here and there But honestly his trail runs a little bit cold for a while Between 2009 and 2011. I'm not really sure what he was up to but then in december 2011. He was arrested I have literally no idea what he was arrested for but I have to assume it has something to do with being a dick in public Yes, when he was in a processing room, he gave a cameraman a little interview That illustrates the mindset that he was in at the time and we are now going to listen. Oh, we've got it. Oh, shit. Yes

in this first clip Leo talks about how he was arrested and then talks about what's going to happen on december 21st 2012 because leo zagami was very into 2012 I will talk in english. So my english listeners understand better I was arrested the last night here in italy for saying that the italian government is a government of criminals The bourgeois have stolen everything And us aristocrats are now living a miserable life But also the poor people are living a miserable life because the order of things has been changed

But we know that on the 21st of december 2012 There will be a new world order and a new sacred roman empire Which is the old sacred roman empire rising again with an emperor Which is the prince of santeria here for you baron of the sacrum an impero and And basically I will be elevated to the rank of emperor So, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. Hold on. Hold on New holy roman empire, which is actually the same holy roman empire And it just so happens that leo zagami will be elevated to emperor of the world on december 21st 2012

Leo zagami will become the emperor of the new holy roman empire, which is the new world order, which will take over Right. Yes. Now instead of doing that. We know that in 2019 He is opening a bottle of champagne with alex jones. We do know that that is a bit of a fault Well, it's a bit of a drop off. It's a difference certainly there's a little bit of so I I think that some people could say hey, this could be a guy doing a silly italian accent

This isn't leo zagami. Yeah, I watched the video. It is 100% leo zagami. It's totally him And he doesn't seem out of his mind. He doesn't seem like on drugs or anything like that It just seems like he's frustrated smoking a cigarette in like a holding room Well, I will I will give him this possibility. Should he so want to take this out? It's entirely possible that he is having a full-on manic episode totally and is completely delusional About that. Well, but the problem is that the delusions fit in with his life's work. Exactly. It just seems like a more overt Explication of the things that he believes right right. And one of those things is he thinks that he is literally jesus So I am who I am. I am that I am I change my

My body like I change my clothes. I've been here forever I am the spink with hides at the shadow of the pyramids I am that leo you see at the roots Of the obelisk in st. Peter's it says leo bichit the tribu juda radix david And so this holy grail is being preserved in my family for centuries They were into the leone family of rom then went to scotland But that's why the lion is the alchemical symbol that hides the bloodline of jesus So the meruvingian is all rubbish the truth

Bloodline of jesus is that is being preserved in the lion family in scotland, which is all connected to the english royal family This empire has this great opportunity of having The royal blood of david King david I have been now recognized by the jews as the messiah Obviously for them it was a shock because a lot of them considered me a goym and impure because I'm so mixed But I am that messiah. What can I do? Look when you're the messiah, what do you got to do very interesting that alex doesn't bring up this sort of thing He doesn't bring up a couple years back and you said you were jesus

Do you want to maybe Maybe make a clarification for our audience about like I didn't mean that or something Or I did mean that right now that would be difficult. I think for alex to be like our next gas leo zagami Jesus has said he's jesus in the past and that the jews have admitted as such Which was surprising. Yeah, it would be surprising for the jews to admit that he is the messiah It would be tough. I would be surprised if bb netanyahu was like guys. We got a look. We got to do it I look i'm as shocked as you Check this guy out though. Yeah

He's italian. He's crazy. I mean, it's crazy, but he's the fucking messiah I don't want it to be true anymore than you do, but what are we gonna do? Hey, what are you gonna do? He's the he's jesus this next clip put your mic down for because if you thought that the revelation that he is jesus is shocking This next clip Is so much more shocking We are also working with the masters and brothers. I am jesus, but we have also the maddie and who is the maddie The maddie is osama bin laden Alhamdulillah

So Bismillahirrahmanirrahim And shatanirrahim because we are against satan both me and osama bin laden And I was the one who signed the order Which was given to commandant georgio balestieri to bring down the twin towers So it's my sole responsibility, but when you will understand the full picture in 2012 you will thank me for it Trust me friends So leo zekami did 9-11 That that is one claim I would never have guessed I would never have guessed that i am jesus would be followed up with

I'm working with osama bin laden and I ordered 9-11. No, no, no I have the sole responsibility for 9-11 So that's tough now. That's fun. That's tough for alex. I assume that gets uh, george busch off the hook Leo before we before we continue real quick. I just want to say uh, thanks for 9-11. That was great Yeah, that's strange And and again the thing that I want to point out is that I've listened to a ton of leo zekami interviews And the way he's speaking Is not out of order or it's not out of the norm

One of the things that I know I've noticed with you when you have like more manic times Your manner of speaking is a little bit different. Like there's more pressure behind the speech. There's more, uh, you speak quicker Absolutely, and I think that's pretty indicative of people whenever they're in those episodes or in those states This is very Normal. This is relaxed almost. This is normal speech patterns No, like for for leo zekami. Yeah. Yeah all the interviews that I've seen of his so like I don't know. I I don't think that this is necessarily indicative of some sort of a break with reality as much as it is like I got arrested

I don't I shouldn't be arrested. I am jesus. Yeah, it's it's exasperation more than Like a break right that's that this sounds almost like If if robert evans from the kid stays in the picture Was just a little bit less. He's just a little bit more drunk when he was given those interviews you'd be like Yeah, that does sound like you Robert evans, you probably think you were jesus while you're producing rosemary's baby. Um, so he's done he did 9 11 He's jesus. He's working with us on bin laden

Um, and the jews accepted that he was jesus and they're not the only ones we're gonna learn later that some other group Is accepted as a messiah, but we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a moment. Um In his next clip, uh, he makes it clear that once he ascends democracy is going to be gone Um, and then christianity will be outlawed Sacred roman empire you can call it new sacred new sacred, but it's not new. It's the old It's just coming back Because it never died because you lived an illusion with the democracies Because for free centuries we decided you to initiate you in certain rights and certain things

But in the order you can have the bulls who are sticking over But in the right is always the aristocracy that protects the knighthoods the real knighthoods Like the knight's tempers the tautonic knights the multist knights And the great tradition of the christian church We are here to bring you back To reality i'm neo i'm leo i'm the prophet of matrixism In 10 years from now matrixism will be the only religion of the empire So within 10 years of 2011 matrixism will be the only religion that's allowed

Which implies very strongly that christianity will be outlawed. Yeah, it won't be allowed It won't be allowed Which i think alex should be very against but this is a guy who's legitimately saying he wants to get rid of christianity In favor of a novelty religion. He is allegedly created about a movie And not just that but he did it in the best possible way. What really i'm neo i'm leo And So uh in leo's conception Oh, also, i mean in there you're saying that like uh, we allowed you to be like have democracy

But we're here to bring you back to reality right right right get back in we are the aristocrats We are in charge gotta begin is something alex should be staunchly against you would think so um his conception leo's is that In 2012 he will ascend to the role of emperor of the new holy roman empire As jesus and somehow i guess 9 11 was part of that setting the stage for it. Yeah You'll see in 2012. I don't i'm we're past it now and i don't know i think you'll see in 2012 I think you'll see in 2012. I don't think the world has thanked him for it I think you'll see that everybody is like thanks leo leo we didn't see your your your logic your strategy

Man when we're wrong we can admit it What a dick oh man, so um, but his conception is that's going to happen in 2012 and then for seven years between 2012 and 2019 There will be the period of tribulation Sure, and it'll resolve in 2019, but he's not really clear about what the resolution implies But there's one thing that is that is true and he does say Uh, and that is that if you don't follow him you will die. Oh, okay But in the meantime, we will suffer terrible consequences from 2012 to 2019 The seven years of tribulation will hit the world so high high hard and hard and hard

And only the ones who will be faithful to me will be able to enter the kingdom of god Just like i told you 2000 years ago, so i'm not here to be crucified again or to come here and say hi I'm jesus and then you know what happens then they will they will just literally Not uh, believe me. So I had to bring these proofs to the vatican and the vatican has finally accepted That they are that messiah because I showed them the codes that were hidden inside the vatican That only the real jesus could have So I leave it to you to decide if i'm the messiah or not. I've decided you're not Only the real jesus would have the codes

Uh, uh, uh, right, right, right. So jesus was part of the catholic church Yes, like at this. Okay, and there is a padlock down there that has a really complicated code But only the real jesus could unlock only the real jesus. So now we've got the jews and the vatican Have both decided that leo lion zygami leo neo and osama bin laden Well, they're fine that the savior is working with osama bin laden. I guess Right, right. All right. Um, this is a tough pill to swallow. I like it though. Yeah This is what we call a big swing. Yes So in this next clip he uh, leo insists that uh, if you betray him, you will not get into heaven. Well, of course

We came back in this life just to serve you Humanity no one else. I never made any money out of what I did I live in poverty myself. I followed a good example of christ Because christ is me Because it's in my blood because my blood is a bloodline of the holy grave Don't ever forget that Don't betray me. Otherwise, you will never enter the kingdom of god I remember a lot of the times in the bible when jesus was like, don't you forget it? Yeah, don't flex on me. You're going to hell

So in this next clip, uh, leo offers a little bit of insight into the nature of god It turns out that god is an alien and uh, leo is sent here to purify humanity man God is man. Yes God is man. That's what's real god And it's an alien from serious the prince of serious With my dna With my grail with my genetical code. I will purify once again your race and lead to 1000 years of peace

in a great kingdom of god Thank you very much for the people of the world. All right Uh, there's one last clip here where he just sums it up, uh, that he is working with the new world order and that he is god sure The member 1776 What 2012 the new world order is the kingdom of god And that god has a name leo lions agami. So he's got lions agami is god

All of that happened Before alex ever started having leo on as a supposed guest in the illuminati and as an insider in vatican affairs All of this all of the things that i've told you about his past Including an interview that is publicly available. Uh, where he declares himself the messiah and solely responsible for 9 11 You'd think that alex would want to ask him about how he'd taken this responsibility for 9 11 How he declared himself the messiah as recognized by both the jews and the new world or uh and the vatican Or you want to ask him about how he would propose to outlaw christianity in favor of his new cult of matrixism Once the new world order which he himself was uh the head of took power in december 2012

Weirdly, none of that ever comes up on info wars. It is strange despite leo making a bunch of appearances on alex's show As well as being a noted guest on david knight and oan shroyer's shows as well Do they ever even talk about kung fu? No I think the record clearly shows that leo zegami is less an expert in anything uh than he is an unhinged lunatic But he is the sort of lunatic that's very useful for someone like alex A person like leo is useful as a force of escalation Any decent mainstream news outlet can tell you about the corruption at the vatican and how there's a systemic problem within the catholic church Where abuses have been covered up and abusers protected and that should make you feel mad and cause you to want to see actions taken

But leo zegami by pretending to be an insider Can tell alex that the priests are actually abusing children because it serves the purposes of demons Which they've conjured to the earth using black magic and you can see how these two situations imply slightly different solutions That's the sort of role that leo zegami can play right towards radicalization escalation of rhetoric. Right. He's very dangerous Yeah, it's so he's essentially acting as a Oh a protector of the Vatican in a certain sense because if you can convince enough people that the real issue is demons demons, they're not gonna go to the fucking Cops and say look at this shit. Yeah, perhaps they're gonna vote for trump to perform an exorcism on the 4th of July

Yeah, I mean perhaps unintentionally. I mean, it's hard to nail down exactly, you know, what is Conscious and what is right kind of a byproduct of stupidity But yeah, I mean the direct effect of it is probably making it more difficult to treat the actual problems Well, it's like when alex starts talking about child trafficking and shit like that Like that's a serious issue that we should talk about. I mean, uh, tommy robinson. Yeah, it's a perfect example of that Now jordan You might remember how I told you that leo zegami used to go by the name leo young and that until 2006 or so When he decided to turn on the illuminati, he'd been a dj. Yes a funny story about that

He's a good dj music lib.org still has a profile up for leo young. Oh and man Oh man, there is so much more to leo zegami than meets the eye. Are we gonna listen to some more music? I don't know according to his music biography leo began djing on a church radio station at the age of 13 By 1987 at the age of 17 leo had taken his dj skills to london where he was a fixture at a bar called legends Which according to his bio is a quote celeb haunt by 1988 He claims he'd reached the national finals in the prestigious dmc dj championships

This very well may be true. I can't find a list of that year's finalists for the italian competition So all I can say with certainty is that he didn't win The experience of that contest however encouraged him to get more involved with the rave scene where he spent the next decade He claims he is quote recognized as the man responsible for organizing italy's first rave in rome in 1989 While i'm not positive that history bears out that leo zegami organized the first rave in italy He's not making up that he was involved I found a mention of him in an essay posted on the red bull music academy's website titled quote the rise and fall of roman tecno 1988 to 1994

While there isn't much about him in the article. This is what is said Quote for all the excitement amongst these young djs and those who history is forgotten such as the notoriously wild leo Young around how acid house tecno and the soon to emerge hardcore breakbeat scene the vast majority of roman club owners and party promoters were less enthusiastic This is an article about the rave scene which centered more or less around drug use and leo zegami is described as quote notoriously wild The mind reels at what he must have been up to in order to get that reputation. Yeah, no shit So if he had done a few less drugs, maybe he could have been georgio instead of fucking The well jesus an article about him on familyhouse.net gives some hint about that notoriously wild reputation Quote leo is generally considered to be as mad as an upside down clown

Renowned for a reckless penchant for ludicrous quaffering questionable neopagan mystical interests Threatening verbal behavior and convincingly delivered illusions to a bloodline of eccentric castle dwelling italian aristocrats It seems like that was always kind of a part of his personality or he just ramble about nonsense Make no mistake about it leo zegami then known as leo young was an active member of the house music scene in the late 80s early 90s in italy He held a three-day rave called in limpero da sensei in 1989 then by 1991 He was running a weekly club night called uona in rome He did a 12 hour dj set at the at a berlin venue called tracer Um, and he was said he was said to be a fixture there between 1995 and 1996

He claims he was the first dj ever to play at the bolshoi theater in moscow, which i'm not sure is true He claims that he gave prodigy their first gig outside of the uk, which probably isn't true, but might be yeah That's crazy. Yeah It's absolutely crazy that leo zegami was a fucking rave dj But his bio for his dj life kind of undercuts a lot of the claims that he makes about his current hustle now For one consider this line talking about how much he admires his grandmother Quote not only did she get leo his first international dj residency But she also financed him going to learn more about recording by becoming a student of the famous london production duo double trouble

If he was illuminati royalty and all that it doesn't seem like he would make a specific point Of his grandmother paying for him to study with some london djs. That seems kind of incongruous That's the first thing that every illuminati child is taught Say it's your grandmother. Yeah. Yeah. Where'd the money come up grandma? Yep. Yep The next line is even weirder though talking about how when things were going well for him in london quote Unfortunately, he had to go back to italy where at the time you had to do an obligatory year of bollocks in the military Before getting your passport back If he was a member of the ruling elite bloodline and the prince of the illuminati

You'd think they'd easily be able to get him out of something that trivial if it interfered so drastically with his life Say he has a bone spur for fuck's sake Curious in its absence from this long-winded and very clearly self-written bio, uh, which was penned in 2006 any mention Absent is any mention of him being a 33rd degree mason Any mention of any involvement with secret societies at all any mention of the illuminati none of that is in there The only time the vatican even comes up is when he says that quote the vatican boys weren't happy with him hosting a rave in an old church

If i'm being honest with you, I don't know what to make of all this My mind goes back and forth between thinking that his luck had run out with the club scene between 2006 and 2007 And it wasn't paying the bills anymore So he decided to rebrand Then I also think it's possible that maybe he did way too many drugs and he started to believe his own bullshit Yeah with the information available There's no way to tell All I can say is that leo zagami is low-key one of the most interesting people who's ever been on an episode of info wars

And all of the things that make him interesting are literally never brought up in any of his appearances. This is insane Yes god that means that there was a time in leo zagami's life where I would have totally wanted to hang out with him And listen to everything he had to say absolutely until he did a little too much coke and I was bored or yeah I mean who knows yeah, and now let us all enjoy some of leo zagami's music. Excuse me Leo young's music. Aha this song. Uh, this little sample is from uh, I cannot stop listening to this song It's called dj pimp and the scarlet woman Oh Holy shit, this is actually pretty good

And he's adding layers after every break it's not bad It just goes on like that for a while. We don't have to listen to all four minutes of it But when was that recorded? I don't I don't know, but it's it's it's a while back. Yeah, I look I Honestly, I've listened to a bit of his music and it's legitimately not bad Yeah, no, especially compared to music put up by other people we talk about like larry nickels or carry casady Like he has some skill. Yeah. No, I was interested to know who uh, what when the chemical brothers, uh, dropped their Uh, uh first uh first tracks just a few months back New interplanetary melodies an italian record label released the fourth in their series of artist spotlight mixes

And it was about quote the legendary leo young. I've listened to the whole thing and it's pretty serviceable I'm not sure any of it reaches the level of being a hit But none of it is stuff that if you heard in the clubs particularly like in the early 90s You'd be yelling for them to turn off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah leo zagami is still an active dj And what does gigs are you saying and you're talking about now? Like now like now now like al he's on his wife posted a video of him on her youtube channel Four months ago promoting a gig in russia Really? Yeah, really? So

Isn't this fascinating that is crazy. Yeah leo zagami's nuts I uh when I stumbled into some of this stuff like when I was looking into his history All this stuff about like wait a second You claim that you secretly infiltrated islam and all this stuff like I like this is a fascinating story And I'm like hours into this rabbit hole and then I'm like Wait a second. He claimed he's a dj. Is there any music available at that? Let's start looking into it like oh, he's not making that up It was just the craziest roller coaster ride to go down that is bananas. Yeah, he is a

ridiculously interesting figure whenever he's talking about his real life And he's so boring what he's talking about the fake one. He's interesting when I'm talking about his real life Fair I'm not positive that I've ever heard him talk about his real life. That's 100 fair. Yeah So now let's get back to uh, alex and leo on info wars and present day And you can kind of tell that now leo is into an anti-communist scam Yeah, his that's kind of the place he serves Uh within alex is shit I mean, we are in a situation whereby

Uh, the left wing has lost the plot and wants to transform the united states of america in a socialist Slash communist country And this is not america used to say a song back in the days by remember dave bow and pat metin and definitely this is not america The way it was born Okay And also I added some tracks to beverly hills cop too. Also. I am jesus Yeah, but by the way, and I did 9 11 don't talk about that too much anymore But you know, so what are you gonna do leo is on the show and uh, also robert barnes shows up

And alex is clearly defensive about criticisms that robert barnes is on the show All the fucking time. Oh, is he yeah, is he are there a lot of certainly something that we've brought up Are there a lot of people criticizing him for that or is it or is it just a uh, uh, very small amount I don't know. It is yet another instance of him responding to criticisms. We've made whether or not He's responding to us or not. It is interesting because he's a little defensive You know a lot of folks have asked me and robert barnes like on the show every week and like one week out of the month He's in austin. Yeah, he's our chief legal counsel, but that's not why bobs here all the time He likes coming on the show and I like bob. He's my buddy. He's a friendly funny guy

He's not alex question answered. He's a funny guy and he's alex's buddy He's not your buddy alex. God alex just doesn't know who his friends are Oh, he's gotten he got in with the wrong crowd Now he's got barns around we have fucking barns So in this next clip leo expresses that he wants to become an american and explains why I want to become american because donald j trap is the president if it was another president I will probably announce to this idea But the fact that donald j trap is the president

Forced me to become american because he's the only president in the world that is opposing globalism. You understand alex It's he's the only one. What about pootin. Yeah, what about orban? What about right? Also, but not all the other what about bolson arrow like what about all these other presidents that you keep talking about being like The globalist anti globalist allies around the world. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah Do I don't trump's the only one and also like where the fuck does this fit into your holy roman empire? Why do you want to become an american because trump is president when you clearly have designs of world domination? Also neo leo if you become an american you realize that trump doesn't stay president forever Like there's gonna be a different president. I think that they think he might. Yeah, I think they do too

Also, I don't think leo could become a citizen. I think so. Well, I mean well, he did do 9 11 That's gonna be a problem. That's gonna be an issue. I don't think that Naturalization would be like well, you know, we kind of get why you did it after it was it was after 2012 We figured it out for 11 years, but then we got it. Yeah, okay I think you'd have a more difficult time than he imagines. Yeah. Yeah. So in this next clip alex just gets back to his uh trump didn't exorcism thing sure and uh, how's leo feel about that loves it We have become exceptionally evil in some respects Because with great power comes great responsibility as lord acton said power tends to corrupt absolute power corrupts

Absolutely, so we've had great power and so evils come and tried to take over So now we're a paradox of incredible good innovation and love but also incredible evil and there's a fight now over the soul of america And trump I see this as a ritual an exorcism of the evil of the Of the hate of the left and and trump knows it's a ritual Melania knows it's a ritual And as I sat there last night on that hd tv

Watching her with tears in her eyes trump with tears in his eyes. I knew my gut was always right The enemy's response tells you trump's good, but this was a magic moment. We'll come back to you robert barnes So barnes is sitting there too. Um, you catch that quote at the beginning. Yeah lord I went from spider-man. Yeah lord acton didn't say with great power comes great responsibility Uncle ben did I think alex realized in the middle of the quote that it was a spider-man quote And he tried to save it by throwing in another quote about power afterwards that it wasn't related to what he was already saying Yeah, yeah, sure lord acton did say that. I wonder how he felt about far from home. I imagine he saw that recently

I bet he was curious. Yeah Lord acton did say that line about power corrupting But most people don't know too much more about the guy for instance Did you know that though he was a british politician? He was super into the confederacy during the american civil war I did not know that but don't worry. He was definitely against slavery He just thought that the union quote treated the slave owner as an enemy and they've used the slave as an instrument for his destruction Uh, yeah cool Also, did you know that lord acton was basically a theocrat?

He literally said quote political rights proceed directly from religious duties and I hold this to be the basis for liberalism So he would have loved neo leo zigami probably What i'm getting at is lord acton sucks and alex only quoted him because what he wanted to say was a spider-man quote And he didn't want to look stupid in front of barns and leo zigami, which on its own is incredibly sad Yeah, that is sad that is a bummer barns is a shitty terrible dumb lawyer and leo zigami thinks he's jesus and you're like 11 and you're like I mean i'm giving out spider-man quotes I think that would have made if he leaned into a spider-man quote. I would have considered him the smartest man there Yeah, so you ask what leo zigami thinks about this christian exorcism ritual thing

And actually we find out what he thinks in this next clip And you're also an expert on the occult you're christian but explain trump no doubt did a huge christian ritual yesterday Absolutely, I mean it's an aggregate or aggregate means a fourth form you put together many people Thinking the same thing you obtain a fourth form and that is incredibly powerful. So yes This was highest level magic Absolutely not from an occult perspective. The devil tries to twist god systems and put names on it. Listen even churches are Aggregor, this is silly. This is completely fucking silly Uh, quite frankly just like take take a step back. They're talking about trump conducting a magic ritual. Yes

Like this is what they're about now, right? This is a guy who claims that he uh, I know it reads all the white papers and like Okay, i'm not into aliens and ufo's and stuff like that was his whole branding right back in the day now trump did a magic ritual Yeah, yeah, and it's not like evil magic. No, it's an agregor. It's an agregor Shout out to robert evans over at behind the bastard Uh loves agregor So, uh, agregor is a word that was invented by the french poet victor hugo in his book the legend of the ages It's a faulty transliteration of the greek word agregoros, which loosely translates to watcher

Just because it's close to a greek word though, don't be mistaken. It was a fake word created by victor hugo Yeah Since the word's creation it's been co-opted by a ton of occult weirdos Including helena bolotsky and the uh, the uh, theos uh, theosophical society and it's been adopted into all their mythologies It's the same thing with lovecraft creating the fictional book the necronomicon When then a bunch of ton a ton of real world weirdos pretend It's a real book in a central part of their occult shenanigans. Yeah, sure sure sure of course There's a number of definitions out there for what counts as an agregor

But the general rule is that it's a thought form that's brought into existence by the thoughts of a group of people So for instance, if you want to take it on a benign and very basic level Santa Claus is an agregor For the most part the new age and occult world's take on it is basically just dressed up versions of basic self-help ideas Basically just artistic expressions used to warn people not to let negative thoughts consume them lest they manifest those negative thoughts Sure sure like the uh, like the god of guilt at the end of uh, the long dark tea time of the soul Sure, you have like topos that are created individually and then agregors are created as a group There's the two different kinds of thought forms

And where do uh, elementals and sex magic come in? They don't come into it. Yeah, they're a boring cult So that's sort of the uh, what you might call the mainline version of new agey and occult nonsense But that's not how everyone understands agregors I found an interesting post about agregors on the blog of nazi friendly and explicitly white supremacist radio show red ice radio Where the author discusses how a listener named george had told him about a conversation He'd had with a quote eras of a rich jewish banking family who was not the roth child Although her family dwelled in a palace neighboring the roth child. Oh, that's do Like how close do they never are they real close? I think you can already tell is it like a duplex?

I think you can tell this is not going to be good. It doesn't sound good quote Leah was one of my classmates at the geneva university where I was studying psychology She was an attractive blue-eyed blonde lady as she was wearing a star of david. I asked if she was a believer She answered yes and no and then added she believed in a god who the jews were uh, uh A god of the jews who was serving the jews rather than served by them I immediately asked whether she was speaking of an agregor Her only response was yes, and she broke that conversation never again. Did we mention the subject also? She or I told osama to do 9 11

The article goes on to suggest that it's very possible that the elite jews of the past created an agregor Which serves them which explains their world domination The article says quote this agregor is lucifer and elite jews have made him the master meme of the new world order The elite jews are the communist capitalist international My friend you change a couple of words in that sentence and you got yourself an alex jones quote. Oh, yeah So that dude thinks that the ancient jews Got a genie to do their bidding. Well if it was The gins come out of a different culture. So no, I know I was doing I was doing specifically genie and not gen

You know, I was doing the americanized like look whatever agregor if you will dan you have to yeah You can't you can't deviate off the past path because uh jinn and genie probably have different connotations exactly Yeah, I have to say I strongly disagree with everything in that article But I do admit that it is swinging for the fences Listen to this amazing rationalization for being a bigot Quote it doesn't take a genius to recognize this agregor is the cause of anti-semitism stop there, sir Jewish leaders use anti-semitism to manipulate jews who are taught that they are reviled for no reason You see jordan anti-semites don't hate jews for no reason

It's just that they instinctually consents the agregor, which is what they're really against that is impressive rationalization. Wow. Wow I mean, it does not take a genius. In fact, it explicitly excludes a genius Believing this shit. So, you know, it's weird about this blog post Other than the content. It was written by leo zigami. I found an identical post. Oh, no this on david duke's website A closer look revealed that this article wasn't actually written by someone who worked for red ice It was a reposting of an article that was originally posted on the website of a guy named henry mackow With a byline on it for henry mackow phd His phd is apparently in literature. So it's definitely a good credential for him to tout when publishing his rewriting of early jewish history. Yeah

Glimpsing around mackow's site. You get a pretty good sense of what he's all about His most recent post was quote jews use immigration to divide and conquer A quick look through his archives shows the following headlines from pretty recently quote Can a jew identify with whites? Can they quote events prove protocols of zion authentic? That doesn't sound right Quote, why do jews stage hate crimes? You might be a redneck quote anti semitism is often justified Uh, no, i'm not. I don't even have anything funny to say to that one and quote. I have been shut out of twitter for a week I wonder why nice punch So henry mackow runs a clearly deeply anti semitic website where he wrote an article in 2007 arguing that the jewish god is an

Egregor that was caused Uh would cause to be created to destroy non jews Which was then widely circulated on very high profile anti semitic websites and media outlets like red ice david duke's website But why do I bring all this up? It can't just be because I love saying egregor even though I do and everybody does yeah In 2008 when leo zikami's wife left him after he went on project camelot Leo reached out to kerry to prove that he knew about that alleged norwegian politician who had contacted her warning about planet x He was clearly looking for a rebooking on the show

As evidence of his claims that he knew this norwegian politician He provided two letters that he'd written and sent to two friends Wherean he'd mentioned to them that he knew the politician one of those two people was henry mackow I'll read to you now from his letter from march 13th 2008 Which I'll remind you is after mackow wrote his article accusing the jewish religion of being based on a communist egregor named lucifer Leo begins his letter quote dear henry. Thank you for your continuous support and please forgive me if I could not reply earlier The letter is mostly about how his wife was secretly working for the illuminati and that's why she left him And then awkwardly shoehorned into it or a couple references to this norwegian politician

The content of the message is less important than the clear friendly tone of it He refers to henry as my friend and dear henry multiple times and he ends the letter fraternally yours Leo's agami is listed as a source or reference in no less than 15 articles on henry's website dating back to 2007 The two men have a long-standing relationship and let me put it simply Egregor is not a commonly used word and henry seems to use it in one specific way Here are the headlines that come up when you search henry mackow's website for the word egregor Quote puram jews celebrate the slaughter of their opponents Quote jewish shakedown of poland de emancipates jews quote jews the unloved people

And then here's another one quote. Leo's agami December 12 2012 starts seven years of tribulation That article is just bullet points of a skype conversation that henry had with leo and it includes this passage Quote leo mentioned the cabalist concept of the egregor Then it says in parentheses see mackow The god that serves elite jews with a hyperlink to henry mackow's article about how they created an egregor All this is enough to be really fucking suspicious But to add a little icing to the cake I should tell you that project camalot was not the first high-profile interview that leo's agami did in his anti-illuminati career

In december 2006 he appeared as a guest on red ice radio The white supremacist show that reposted henry mackow's article about the jewish god being an egregor, which justifies anti-semitism This jordan is what you call way too many red flags Yeah, oh and remember that blog that uh about leo's wife leaving him that i mentioned earlier and told you to remember The one that was written by a personal friend of his that one that was called Controversy papers Yeah, that blog was written by a guy named kent daniel bentkowski Kat passed away in august 2008 and his blog is way too difficult to navigate

So i don't really know too much about what he's all about Yeah, but if you search for his name the first thing that comes up in a google search is a eulogy post For him on the website of you guessed it red ice radio Can't it been a guest on their show at least 10 times which tells me about all you need to know About what he's about and before anybody Comes out, you know, it's like hey dan. You're giving red ice a really unfair shake You know demonizing them. Uh, here's a little clip of some of their work They want you straight white guy destitute suffering and then dead

They want your daughter's brainwashed to disown you and your son's groveling at the feet of anti whites You know who they is You know who they is Strangely in that video. She doesn't explain who they is. She doesn't just left to be like a you know who we're talking about Really doing yeah, yeah, you do I kind of do don't I kind of do isn't that an issue? Yeah So I think that leo even on top of all of the interesting aspects of his life is clearly involved with a lot of people who have Oh, shall we say deeply anti-semitic? Yeah world views that they perpetuate. He's a dear friend of henry mack house from from way back

I don't I don't think there's any conclusion you can draw other than some of that stuff is Probably in his his world view for sure. He talks about egregores on alex's show. Yeah It's clearly it exists in the context of henry mackow. Yeah, and the egregore accusation of the jewish god being creation out of the minds of Elite jews of the past. Yeah in order to subjugate the world You know it makes so much sense

I and I'd be fine with it if they weren't fucking uh directly contributing and Expanding the issue But of course these people get conned non-stop. You have to be really really stupid to believe any of this Well alex is being conned right now exactly and and if it was just Nigerian scams that they all got like if all the dumb people all just financial Yeah, yeah, I'd be totally fine with that the problem is they're getting conned and then making more people

Fucking shitty, right, right. It's a con that One of in much the same way burning coal releases gases. Yeah that are destructive. Yeah Burning this sort of coal this sort of uh Con yeah the byproduct that pollutes is that other people become Much more stupidly hateful. Yeah Yeah, that is probably a big part of what makes it so objectionable. Yeah, I mean it's not the people getting conned No They can like I would be fine with conning these people as long as I wasn't hurting anybody

But that's why that's why the like uh, the the the confidence man is such an archetype in american history There's something kind of enjoyable about watching someone pull off like a really good scam. Yeah. Yeah So there's not especially when it's against a rich person or a bigot or somebody like that and you're like They totally have it coming. I don't want them to have their Robin Hood is a hero for a reason Yeah, or he's seen as a hero for a reason. Absolutely. Yeah, there's nothing There's nothing intrinsically wrong with when you're directing it in the right places to a scam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, the part that's a problem is Everything else. Yeah. Yeah

So um in this next clip, um, I think this is barns Say some stupid shit What a shock So there was all this efforts to sort of demonize american you get a sense for how important American history american freedom american liberty is all connected together That's the reason why the president had that ritualistic celebration yesterday Did so celebrating our military prowess did so celebrating the spirit of our history Did so by celebrating all of the heroes and patriots over time who've done extraordinary things to keep the light of liberty alive

And not only here in america but around the world because it's america that led the world the every other democratic country Post dates the american revolution in any meaningful manner. You're so fucking stupid barns. You're so goddamn fucking stupid You're so fucking stupid. It's not even close to not even close to true But you know, it's kind of interesting. I realize that like, uh, I think barns breathes in really loudly in between every dead space So alex can't interrupt him. I think that he's listened to enough of alex because I've listened to a bunch Of his appearances. Yeah, and I never hear alex interrupt him and it's either a function of Subservience like alex knows that barns has got something something. Yeah, or it's like he's So alex doesn't have a spot to jump in so it would be way ruder for him to interrupt

Man, if I were alex, uh, I would first recognize that barns wasn't my buddy No, and second recognize that barns designs. No matter how Much I like barns But if my lawyer was sitting in between two people saying that trump just Exercise literally yeah using magic. Yeah, literally And I didn't say anything. I'm a bad lawyer. Yeah, and if you join in on it, yeah, because he does exactly Now he specifically said ritualistic and celebrating military prowess because he was like, I'm not gonna out and out sign off No, he does. Oh, he really does. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he signs off on the exorcism

Really, but that's also because I think he doesn't want to be a lawyer anymore I think I think that there's probably a piece of it that I've expressed that like he wants to be the go-to lawyer for A dumb shithead settling lawsuits. Right. Right. That's a cakewalk. Yeah, but he'd also probably rather transitioned into this Pundit role. Yeah, because that's even easier. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like napolitano is so much happier not to work for a living Right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean say what you want about it. Barnes is decent at this. Yeah. No, he's not bad He can rattle off shit. That breathing has got to stop. Yeah, but like the rest of it He's serviceable in a propaganda role. He could he could hang with the Owen shoyers and david knights of the world easily Yeah, so if he wanted to make that sort of a transition, I think

I think that's what he's working towards. It does seem like it So in this next clip leo zegami talks about how he recently went to a walmart and he's bummed out about something That the whole of the hollywood apparatus Still worships all these royal family and every time I go in any walmart or any I see all these newspapers and they only talk about the british royal families How is this possible? Why don't you talk about the beautiful family donald trump? So Which one buddy? Hey, how low?

Uh priority are your problems. You're going to walmart and you're mad about what's in tabloid covers What are you doing? Yep. What is the point? What do you think? Dan tabloids still have princess die conspiracy theories on the cover. Whoo Dan w w jd What would jesus be doing at a walmart complaining about tabloids obvious So in this next clip, um, man, this just isn't good. This is just bad Well, I mean the reason why info wars is targeted is for the same reason that all these sort of anti-american activities are taking place By people like congressman castro by people like congresswoman omar by people like, uh, aoc

It's people who really don't love and believe in america because it's the greatest resistance to the efforts that they're trying to do So info wars is america info wars is americana info wars is independence day info wars is july fourth because it reflects and represents americana at its core not just protects it defends it as it does on a day-to-day basis So You know, you know, julian castro alexandria kasey or cortez and alon omar They're all anti-americans who don't love this country and actually working against the country now robert barns alex jones katlyn bennett, they're all what america is really about and they're the ones protecting the real america So let me ask you a question. There's some distinguishable

Things that both groups share that are different from each other I man, I I you know if there were something really easily distinguishable to tell between the two groups like I think that would probably make what you're saying kind of overt. Yeah, I think it So let me let me ask you a question Info wars, right? All right Is americana they are the fourth of july right they are the american flag, right? They are butch it by the way is authoritarian propaganda 101. Yeah, no, that's sort of shit. We are the flag Yeah, exactly. Let me let me equate what I say with the entire country symbol and the only right version of patriotism

Hey guys Good job. Yeah, it does seem like you should be disqualified from calling yourself americana If you don't know american history at all that is I mean, yeah, it is a problem. It's definitely, you know, because you're saying we are the fourth of july We are americana, but you don't know what those things are You're making them up, right? No, no, no, no, no, you know, it's just taking xenophobia racism hierarchical structures that are created around superficial characteristics

In a certain sense that is americana and who we are Right, but it's definitely something that there's been a trend away from yeah, uh, whereas they believe it's what it's all about Yeah, it it it doesn't seem like it fits within our ideals Or at least the ideals set forth by those brilliant founding fathers on 1812 1944 when they wrote the declaration of you know, leo zegami signed that declaration of independence No, shit. Wait. Hold on real quick question. Does he think that he is a reincarnated jesus? Or of the bloodline of jesus because it's not it's not clear

But he hit he literally said he is jesus and he is the messiah. Yeah, and he did and he's also from the bloodline, right? So it's all of them. Okay, so um barns like I said I think he's strategically breathing in order to make it so alex candid to rupt him right which is a smart move on His part right gets you much more time to get your points out for sure But in this next clip, I think he shows his cards in terms of like Really wanting to stay coming on the show Listen to this. This is pro shit barns does his homework President trump talked about america forever no matter what and I believe what he meant was the spirit of america will be here forever

They can't crush it. They can't kill it. They can't destroy it. They can't wipe it out Just as the idea of info wars will be here forever They can't crush it They can't destroy it because the audience continues to support it because the audience continues to believe in it because the audience keeps it alive By doing things like going to info wars store dot com and supporting it in any and every possible way they can That's such a smoother ad pivot. Wow. That is that is next level. That is good You have to like imagine alex was sitting there like I have my eyes have seen the glory of becoming of the lord Starts singing the battle hymn of the republic

God that's like the reverse of what a caller does when they open up with like I do all the I love taking your products and all that shit Yeah, that's that's one that I do like when I was listening. I didn't even see it coming Yeah, he's not get in that was smooth as shit. Yeah, so I think barns unapologetically barns is knocking it out of the park Good work barns. So uh alex. I mean he's had a day here. He's drank some champagne He's hung out with jesus who did 9 11, right? Uh also club dj and barns who's trying to single white female him right now There's a lot of psycho drama going on A lot of people coming at him with a lot of different angles

It's pretty impressive If I were him, I'd need a drink too. There are a lot of spinning plates. Yeah. Yeah Um, so here's how he ends up finishing up the show. I'll be back this sunday 4 to 6 p.m. I'll be back tomorrow noon For at least a two hour special broadcast. I think I'm doing more tonight In fact, I'm just doing 20 hours this weekend. We're not giving up We're dug in and we're winning but we're gonna fight even harder now to ensure that victory All right, all right go out go you do your 24 hours on air or whatever needs some money Yeah, so, uh, I mean we come to the end of this and I will say that uh, the difference between this episode and other present day episodes

I think um, well first of all the leo's economy of it all but Perfect. Yeah, perfect that story. We could have just done that story and out of in like this episode was amazing the um, the thing is like I think in the present day I recognize the stakes of the things he's saying and they become so serious that I allow alex to really guide What I need to cover whereas I approach this episode since the trump is doing an exorcism in his fourth of july speech Is so goddamn stupid right that I just allowed myself to be like now. What's interesting to me here? How much do I know about leo's economy? Yeah, and it led me down these roads that are far less I mean, they're disturbing and so right, but they're they're less

Awful and I think I think I need to take carry that with me in the future I think it's a lesson learned of uh, you know Don't shy away from the important stuff when alex is being a dick about it But also trust that there's a better story to be told somewhere else Right then where alex is pointing right because if you I mean at this point if if we're doing another episode on Him being a complete nut or bigot who wants to start another civil war. I mean everybody everybody already knows Yeah, that's been a lot of you want to kill people. So there you go. I think there's still I think there is some value to Keeping an eye on that for sure as it escalates

But yeah, I think I think it's far more important to trust my instincts to know where something interesting Could be I agree and find it not least of which because you did not begin this episode with your usual Exhortation of you know, I hate being in the present day. I mean, there's still parts of it that I hate right right, of course But man, oh man. Oh Leo's economy. What is going on crazy crazy stuff. What a life Yeah, that is so much fun. Mm-hmm. You know, if he wasn't mixed up with People trying to rationalize anti-semitism and he didn't have a complete Real dicey dubious history

Yeah In his personal life, you almost think god, I want to talk to that guy. No, right? But I do not no now. I want to talk to that guy at the right point in his life Definitely not. It might have been 88. That might have been 88 and that might have been too late It was probably too late. He already was quote notoriously wild. Yeah, but that would have been fun. Yeah, maybe So, uh, we'll be back on wednesday with another episode, but until then we have a website and we do it's knowledgefight.com That's correct. We're also on twitter and we are at knowledge underscore fight and act go to bed jordan Also, people can contact you if they want more details. You're gonna be at zany's all this month. Yes, I will be uh,

Tuesday through sunday for the next three weeks. Yeah All the month of july People can reach out to you on twitter if they want more information. Yeah, please do. Um show times and such Yeah, also on facebook. We are uh, we you can download our podcast You could go to itunes. Yep. You could go to uh, your nearest Mariano's they often play that as a music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They put that in the speakers There's people walking around. I know it's changed things a lot. Yeah a lot more people are going to the bar at mariano's now. Um, but yeah, yeah

Other than that, um, let's see Can't do zagami because you know lord knows you did 9 11. Yeah I forgot about that part of it. Yeah Uncle ben uncle ben is definitely not killed That's not good But it'll have to do. Yep. Uncle ben from spider man never killed anybody But one guy who technically probably has is alex jones Andy and kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

So alex, i'm a first name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you