Knowledge Fight - #322: July 16-17, 2019

Episode Date: July 19, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at the present day of The Alex Jones Show and do not care much for what they find. In this installment, the gents find Alex doing some amazingly sloppy work about Ilhan Omar, migrant centers, and bizarre notions about the people involved in Charlottesville.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan. Jordan.

Dan. Jordan. What's the longest set you've ever seen a comic do? Oh, great question. That's the first time you've said that in 200 episodes. It's not true at all. It's not true at all. To buy myself time, I often say that.

I don't know. I mean, live? Yeah, probably an hour. Probably an hour. You've never seen, because they, you know, they've heard the story of Dave Chappelle did in 20 hours. I've never seen that live. No, of course not. I've seen comics do hours for sure. Like I've, like Patton Oswalt live. Right.

I saw LaVell Crawford back in Columbia, Missouri, do an hour. Okay. I could not stop laughing. I don't know. I saw that hour. We actually were at Deja Vu, the comedy club in Columbia. I saw him. We were, we were shushed by the security guards because you were laughing too hard. Was this, were you a comedian already by this or are you younger?

I think it was before I actually did comedy. I think it was, it was previous to by getting into trying because I think I was, yeah, because Deja Vu was very unfamiliar territory for me then. Whereas once I started doing stand up, I resented the place. Yeah. Much more negative view towards it. Was that one of the things that got you into actually doing it in the first place? LaVell?

Yeah. No, I don't think so. No, you don't think so? No, I just enjoyed it. It was, I don't know. Yeah, other than that, I don't know. Just like seeing friends do 40 minute hour, half hour sets. You never saw one of the Sheehan's nights where he decides to do two and a half hours.

Not, not that. Cigars and stripes. I've seen him go long, but not, not that long. So, hey, Jordan, this is a podcast where I know a lot about LaVell Crawford and Alex Jones. And I only know a little bit about both. Correct. Jordan, today what we're doing is we are going over the, some present day business. We're going over July 16th and 17th, 2019, which is Tuesday and Wednesday of this week.

Oh boy. Man, oh man, have I found some ludicrous bullshit. I, it's, I'm glad, it's, I'm glad to know that there's nothing really going on in the world these 16th and 17th days, you know, nothing really big happening. I'm sure we'll get a very toned down Alex out of this one, right? Most likely. I think I found some impressively nonsensical shit here, but I don't like a good bit of this stuff that we're going to go over.

I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. But some of it's not as bad as you might expect it to. Oh, okay. But before we get to today's episode, I got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who've signed up and are supporting the show. First of all, Elaine, thank you so much. You are now a policy walk.

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So before we get into this, I want to say that I was going over this and preparing it on Wednesday. And as anyone who pays attention to the news or social media may be aware, Wednesday was the day that Trump had his rally where his audience started chanting Send Her Back about Representative Alon Omar. Yeah, yeah. And that may color some of my, I'm sick of this bullshit tone

that may come out a little bit in this episode. Because a lot of the time I like to play around with like, well, maybe Alex means this, I might be a little more blunt in some things this episode than normal. Yeah, yeah. I think we're into full-throated Nazis. Well, I don't want to comment necessarily about the government, but I will comment on propaganda techniques, let's say.

So we're going to start the show on July 16th here, Tuesday. And this is an interesting thing. Alex makes a horrible Freudian slip in the introduction to the episode. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this live Tuesday globalist transmission. What? What? This is a globalist tradition.

Hold on a second. Just like he professes a certain type of Christianity that I now know to be Satanism, perhaps his anti-globalism is actually him revealing he is a globalist. It's possible. Look, I know that everybody is capable of misspeaking, but one of the things that's so interesting to me and the reason I'm drawing focus to this is because Alex is really good at the intros.

Like when he comes in, he almost never makes a mistake. Yeah, because it's so rapid. Like it's almost the exact same thing every time. Yeah, talks about it being a global transmission. He says the date. He says he'll be back, Lord willing tomorrow. Right. Those things are just every single day.

The repetition has become script. So when he says this is a globalist transmission, that's a pretty big, you know, departure from the script. And it probably would just be like, ha, ha, that's funny. You're stupid. But on the 17th, he says this. It's Wednesday, July 19th, the year 2019. So it's not July 19th on Wednesday.

No, it's the 17th on on Wednesday. What the fuck is happening? So the only thing is, I believe that he's losing control of some of these more scripted he's shook. Yeah, because I, I mean, I don't want to make a mountain out of the molehill. But I do not hear him screw up the intro very often. And in two days, two pretty substantial departures from the norm. Globalist transmission and getting the date wrong are like, those are, you know,

those substantial fuck ups. That's interesting. Yeah, I don't think it means anything. I just think he maybe is phoning it in a little bit. Could be even his subconscious doesn't give a shit anymore. So on the 16th, he starts off on a narrative that I've heard him talk about before, but I felt the way he was talking about it deserved a little bit of attention. It's been declassified that the Ford Foundation, the CIA and others by the

fifties started trying to direct Hollywood and things to become destructive because TV was pretty wholesome that first decade, but it was just tricking us that it was safe then. So we take on the Trojan horse and they openly stated. We make a whole film on this. Anybody can research it that they wanted to destroy the attention span because if they could get rid of an attention span, people wouldn't remember the lie from the last lie from the truth.

And we'd have the memories of Goldfish. So, uh, hey, uh, we, you know, the Ford Foundation, you know, they're terrible, uh, uh, Sesame Street, uh, funding. Yeah. 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:09,520 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:09,520 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Ooh, so Nefarious, that did it.

So Trojan horse does the very idea of, uh, Nefarious global cabal setting out to create televisions in order to destroy the attention span of the population. That's exactly the sort of unhinged, stupid fantasy you'd expect to come out of the mouth of this fucking idiot. He's relying on fake studies, bad information, meaningless terms, and a completely made up to classify document in order to lie to his audience about how it's all a Trojan horse in their home. It's going to destroy their attention span.

So you'll, you'll be easily trickable by these globalist minions. All media except info wars is unsafe. Don't trust anything but me. That's really the point behind it. Yeah. Alex constantly talks about how our attention spans are now shorter than a Goldfish. You heard him say it right there. Uh, because he does that because it's a great mental image.

We've all seen Goldfish before. They don't seem to be all that into reading. You know, uh, they've done follow up studies and it's not true. Goldfish actually have a, uh, significant memory. They've finished the Dostoevsky is more than you can say. We have what? Me, all of Dostoevsky or, or that I killed him. Uh, either they finished him off.

Unfortunately, Alex is just repeating something he read in a study that went viral years ago, but his sense been thoroughly discredited. This piece of salacious info comes from a 2015 study, the consumer insights team of Microsoft Canada. But in 2017, the BBC looked into the study and found some problems. The first was that the stuff about attention span was just something that was cited in the Microsoft report, but didn't have to do with their actual research. It was allegedly from a source called Statistic Brain, who in turn were taking

the information from the quote, National Center for Biotechnology information at the U S National Library of Medicine and the Associated Press. Simon may been at the BBC, reached out to all these entities and none of them could find any research that backed up the claims that were made on Statistic Brain, which were then included in the Microsoft Canada report and then repeated tirelessly by dumb fucks like Alex Jones, who want to convince everyone that the modern world is built on a satanic plot to hurt white people. Of course, it also was repeated exhaustively by well meaning, but maybe

not all that thorough media outlets who are hunting for an easy human interest story to report. And before you know it, the idea had the appearance of credibility where when in reality, it might as well have just been made up out of thin air. But that's not the only problem with this notion. The bigger issue is that attention span when you talk about it like this is a meaningless term. What does it even mean?

How long you can pay attention to something? How is intention calculated into the measurement? I mean, obviously, if you were trying to pay attention to something, you'd pay attention to it longer than if you weren't. Or if you're interested in the things you're paying attention to, you'd fucking be able to pay attention to it longer than nine seconds. If this alleged attention span stat had any real world meaning, no one could watch a movie or TV show without being completely overwhelmed and lost.

It doesn't mean anything. People who study attention would never think about attention in the way Alex is presenting the idea. Humans pay attention to things differently depending on how much it appears the situation they're in requires them to. It's like effort in that way. You're kind of able to discern how much effort a certain task is going to require, and then you subconsciously decide whether or not you're interested

in exerting that amount of effort in the service of completing that task. 300,000 people just turned this podcast. They decided it's not working. They were like, eh, it turns out he just explained what we're doing. And it's not worth it. That's a subconscious conscious decision that you're making. And I respect you for it. The very idea of what Alex is talking about is stupid.

What is it about TV that's so crippling to a person's attention span? Is it the physical TV screen? Because if that's the case, then the exact same damage can be caused by watching Alex's shit. Is it the constant changing of topics on the TV news? Because if it's that, Alex jumps from subject to subject, far quicker and more disorienting pace than any TV news show I've ever seen. And he's constantly playing a distraction game of vaguely referencing one thing,

then jumping to another subject without ever getting into what he was talking about to begin with. He's talking shit. There's no reality to the idea that your actual attention span is being shortened. And the only possible approach to take towards this is possibly this. As society modernizes, our ability to convey information more succinctly and quickly has greatly increased. With the advent of the internet, the ability to disseminate that information

in little chunks has allowed people to take in information without exerting a great deal of attention, which is possibly train people to expect not to have to pay attention to things for very long while still expecting some information being expressed. If that's Alex's conspiracy that he wants to make, I'm listening, but I probably also bring up that, you know, if that's the conspiracy, he's an active participant in it, especially these days. He seems completely obsessed with memes.

He's run meme contest. He calls himself the meme machine. He has weirdos like Carpe Donkta on his show, whose only relevance in the world at this point is that they make memes. Love them or hate them. Memes are probably the method of conveying information that requires the least attention imaginable. So Alex seems totally fine with people being trained to take in information

that way, exerting zero attention. And in his, it's almost passive. There's not a defense in any way. But if like you can still require memes. In fact, you maybe you do require memes to spread your information now, but you can also still resent that you have to do so. You know, like you can do both. He doesn't seem to resent it.

He doesn't seem to resent it. Yeah, of course he does. But I mean, you know, And I'm not talking shit on memes, although my very well-stated anti-meme position, I'm not, I'm not, you know, deriding the entirety of memes and meme culture, the means of communication through memes. I'm just saying that like, if you're concerned is people being trained to have a shorter attention span, you should suspect one is memes right now.

Yeah. You should be staunchly opposed to that method of transmitting information. Or I don't know cartoons, like political cartoons, right? Like that's a real, you don't have to pay much attention to that. Yeah. So you should be against all those things. I mean, unless you're looking at a Ben Garrison cartoon, in which case you got it, it takes a while to get all the names figured out.

And then you have to figure out what the fuck it is he's trying to say in the first place. Right. And all he's really trying to say, I think, is that Trump has great pecs. That is, that does seem to be a recurring theme. Yeah. I can find no evidence of the globalists or Ford Foundation publishing a plan to ruin the public attention span with TV and the media.

So they'd be able to, people wouldn't be able to remember what was being talked about previously. I can't find any declassified documents that attest to this, but you know what it does match up pretty closely with? The protocols of the elders of Zion. Here is from protocol number 13. Quote, agents taken onto our press from among the goyum will at our orders discuss anything which is inconvenient for us to issue directly in official

documents. And meanwhile, quietly amid the din of the discussion so raised, we shall simply take and carry through such measures as we wish and then offer them to the public as, as accomplished fact. No one will dare to demand the abrogation of a matter once settled, all the more so as it will be represented as an improvement. And immediately the press will distract the current of thought towards new questions.

And then parenthetically, have we not trained people always to be seeking something new in the discussions of these new questions will throw themselves, those of the brainless dispensers of fortunes, who are not able even now to understand that they have not the remotest conception about the matters which they undertake to discuss. You know, if that is absolutely an example of the difference in communication styles, because what that really just said, there was like, uh, we're going to shorten people's attention span and they took forever to say it.

It's very similar to the ideas being expressed by Alex. And that's just one of countless passages in the protocols about the need to distract the goyum so they won't get in the way of the elders, evil plans. Stupid fucking goyum. Interestingly, a whole lot of them match up with Alex's beliefs about what the globalists are doing with the media. Isn't that strange? We know that every Super Bowl Sunday, Alex makes a big show out of insulting

football. He believes that men are sublimating their warrior instincts through fake warfare. But his bigger issue, I promise you this, is that, uh, the whole thing, the whole idea is that sports are a distraction. He asserts that you could know everything about the new world order and their evil plans, but instead you know all the stats about your team's quarterback. And it's a waste of your time and attention. Yeah.

Here again is from protocol 13. Quote, we further distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions, people's palaces. Soon we shall begin through the press to propose competitions in art and sport of all kinds. These interests will finally distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them, growing more and more disaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own.

People will begin to talk in the same tone as we because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought. Okay. So they're just going to jangle your keys in the other direction. Let's go here. Jangle. King's key. That's it.

Seems like a lot of globalist plots that Alex discusses are just things that, uh, the protocols of the elders of Zion said longer defraud or the fraudulent document, uh, specifically, uh, used in all sorts of Nazi propaganda. Oh, man. Uh, yeah. It seems like a lot of, it seems like a lot of stuff might be about that. You know, it is, it is kind of a, an understandable impulse to think that somebody's directing it.

Do you know what I mean? Like it seems odd that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people would just buy on their own, almost choose to be fascinated by this game. Like it's something that is football. Yeah. It's something that's just a part of our culture that, uh, exists there. So the idea has to be, well, there's a reason for it instead of just a lot of people like it and it just kept growing.

Our brains crave narrative and our brains crave someone doing something. Right. It can't just be all of us together independently. It's, uh, you'll, you'll see that constantly. It's one of the hallmarks of conspiracy too is like that need to organize things in a way that, that fits in with that, that, that tendency of your brain. Right. And it's one of the reasons that the protocols of the elders'

design are so insidious is that it has that, uh, just vague enough roots that people can pretend that it's real. And then at the same time, it slots in so many, um, ways to turn things that like, ah, this is weird. Oh, it's them. They're doing it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a mess. It's almost like an overlay you put on top of the world. Yeah. So on this 16th episode, I got to say that one of the things that I'm, I was struck by, and I mean, this isn't news or anything, but it's something like you just, you, you forget about it. And then you constantly relearn if you're paying attention. Um, and that is that like his show has really just become extremist religious

preaching mixed in with extremist right wing talk. Right. Like it's so crazy that you just kind of like, if you listen to his show a bunch, you probably just take for granted the fact that he's supposed to be a political commentator and he's on the air screaming about God and the literal devil all the time. Like it's very strange if you just allow it to exist on question. Like I was listening to this and I'm like, what the fuck is like, how is

this, how are people not, how do you not just see this and be like, I got to get the fuck out of here. I signed up for libertarianism. I don't, I liked Ron Paul. I don't know what you're doing anymore. You're talking about the fucking shoot devil. I can't, I can't hang out anymore. And God hates putting his children into this situation, but to make us men and

women and to make sure we're not going to join evil when we're given incredible power. We have the power to blow the planet up. We are babies. When we develop into our next phase, we can destroy universes. See, God has the angels bound because they're just servants. We're made in the image of God. And again, that's why the fallen one hates us.

The fallen one can't even build all this. We build it, but Satan twist it. So these are the big secrets that the enemy doesn't want you to know. But don't just think all this line is going to discredit the enemy unless people know the riddle of why they're telling such blatant lies. Then we don't have a chance to consciously understand the full spectrum and that it's a spiritual deception and then be able to teach that to others so they know why it's so disgusting, why it's so vile.

It's meant to make us give up. So, um, Alex is just talking shit here. And like I said, I can't stress enough how fucking weird it is. Just this extremist religious fundamentalism paired with right wing extremist tendencies. Like I just, I can't be clearer about this. That has not gone well in the past. No, no, how, well, I mean, those two things joining up usually end up

with like, not good things. Yeah. At the end of that clip, Alex expresses his belief that the enemy, the globalists, uh, under the work of Satan are unrelentingly lying in order to get the good noble patriots to just give up from a reading, a ton of insider documents that Alex has referenced in the past. I have a pretty good sense that I don't think that's going to be found in any declassified Ford Foundation, uh, Soros documents, but guess

we're similar ideas do show up. The protocols of the elders. So, you know, it's crazy that there's these passages in the protocols about how, uh, you know, these elders are using the media to lie to people and how that's part of their nefarious plans. Here's from protocol number two, where it's discussed how the elders have taken over the media and are using it to manipulate people deceptively. Quote, in the hands of the states of today, there is a great force that

creates the movement of thought in people. And that is the press. The part played by the press is to keep, uh, pointing our requirements supposed to be indispensable, to give voice to the complaints of the people and express and to create discontent. It is in the media that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation, but the Goiom states have not known how to make use of this force and it has fallen into our hands.

Oh, and then there's an entire section in protocol 12 about their control over the media and has the sub headline quote, only lies printed. Uh, also, uh, here's for protocol number three, quote, we shall, uh, we shall so wear down the Goiom that they will be compelled to offer us international power of a nature that by its position will enable us without any violence, gradually to absorb all the state forces of the world and form a super government. What you see here is a discussion of a plan to use the media that they've

taken over to lie and deceive and manipulate an order that they shall be able to wear people down to the point where they just give up and allow them to create a world government without any need for bloodshed. Blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, blab, exactly what Alex is talking about. Yep. Now I'm starting to work on a little bit of a theory and I promise the rest of this episode isn't just going to be me being like, ha ha, Alex is

just repeating protocol. Right, right, right. Although that would be fun. I thought about it, but I realized, I realized how thematically that would get really exhausting. Yeah. The listeners, yeah, but I do want to point out that these are just a couple of instances from the first 15 minutes of one of his episodes.

And they very clearly trace back to the protocols. And I'm starting to work on this theory that whenever Alex doesn't offer a source on something that he claims is declassified or admitted, he's just referencing the protocols that the elders is eye on, but he knows that he can't openly start preaching about this debunked anti-Semitic shit without losing all the most extreme people in his base, which probably isn't enough to keep the bills paid. So he pretends that there's some sort of, uh, you know, declassified.

They admitted it. It's in the congressional record or whatever. And then never cite it, uh, because he's really just repeating protocols shit. Right. That's a theory I have. I can see that. I don't know if that's true, right, but every single time he brings up something in the future that is declassified or is it made, they admitted

back in the blank, uh, you know, back at this era or whatever that I don't have a citation for and he's not specific about, I'm going to see if it traces back to the protocols and I guarantee that will be interesting. I guarantee that there will at least be some overlap. Yeah, I bet you'll get a 60% hit, right? I think that's a probably fair, but at this point, still hypothesis. Fair, not even fair to call it a theory. No, I hypothesize yes, yes, yes, and I will apply the scientific method

moving forward. We'll need at least three to create a pattern. So this July 16th is Tuesday, Wednesday, Trump has his rally where, um, things took a turn for the authoritarian and fascistic. Yeah. Yeah, that's trouble. Um, but on Tuesday, Alex is way ahead of the curve and man, he is just screaming about Elan Omar, of course, of course, real hard.

It's pretty gross. A lot of the time it's, uh, this whole string is just in being like, she comes from the high class Somali bloodline stock and they're slavers. And so he starts trying to scream about how Somalia was involved in the slave trade and Muslims are all to blame for slavery. Sure. I'm not going to, I'm not going to get into a ton of that, but that's just sort of context for some of these clips.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, in this first one here, Alex is screaming about how the West loves women. Um, and, uh, then he gets gross. We're told how we're bad to women and we're bad to children. What's the opposite? Everyone's trying to get in here because we treat women and children better than everybody else. And that's the truth.

And Elan Omar has a chip on her shoulder because she comes from a failed backwards hellhole that's all about conquest, but they can't even conquer their own lust for power so the Somalis can't produce toilet paper to wipe their asses. They can't produce electricity. They can't do crap, but I'll tell you every Somali I ever met will tell me to my face in the street. Well, they get in my face how their God's chosen and they're going to take the world over and I'm going to learn from them.

Well, guess what? You arrogant people, you're a bunch of inbred, crazy people. Did he just say all Somalis are a bunch of inbred, crazy people? Certainly made that generalization. Yeah. I mean, when you hear stuff like that, it's like, you can't, you can't say things like that and then pretend that you have a nuanced political point. No, like that's just outright racism.

That's just outright white supremacy, white nationalism, whatever, whatever label you want to put on it, depending on what subject he's covering at the time. Yeah, that is, that is just. Yeah, that's stark. I mean, there's really nothing to even, like if you hear somebody say that, you just go, okay, you're done. I can't even imagine like a straight news person complaining about people of a certain ethnicity yelling at them on the street.

No, like even that part of it, like you take the, you all are a bunch of inbred, crazy people out of the equation, just the complaining about like, oh, they all yell at me. Yeah, Wolf Blitzer goes on and that is unbecoming in and of itself. So, but it's so crazy how far gone Alex is. It's like that we just, you know, that criticism doesn't even land. No, no, that kind of, that kind of rolls off the back. You're being a bad journalist.

Even he would just burst out laughing at that. Yeah. So he has some other complaints about Representative Omar and here is one of them. I'm going to get into the breaking news. Ilhan Omar, it turns out lobbied for ISIS. Yeah. She's a freaking terrorist. Of course she is.

She is a conqueror. We let a serpent in. We let a scorpion in. We put a brown recluse, a black widow, a rattlesnake in our bed. Of course she'll bite you. She hates you. She's a devil. But right back, stay with us.

Hate that he's doing that over that song. Yeah, I know. This is the day before Trump's rally. This is this is now granted. Trump had already, you know, sent out some not great tweets and Alex is doing, you know, his best to cover for that, right? By being worse than those two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you have to, you know, this is this is.

I mean, they're just trying to get a kill. Yeah. I mean, that's that's I don't, I don't understand how to make it. Okay. I don't understand how they're like, you I can you do that? I don't think you can do like, it seems like this is a crime. This is an incitement to violence. Like, I mean, the fucking president is just committed a crime.

Well, but to be fair, you know, now on Thursday, he's said that he didn't like that they chanted that. So fuck him. I know, I don't give a goddamn fuck. Why isn't he, why isn't he even arrested for that shit? Or even at least like charged with a crime? I imagine myself in like one of those body swap comedies where like I end up like, you know, record scratches.

I end up in Trump's body while they're chanting send her back. Like, how do you stop it? Like, I don't know you don't stop it even if you wanted to. No, he doesn't control him off the hook because he's definitely still feeding it and making it worse. Right. But like, I think about like even a person with the best intentions dropped into this circumstance, like these people that you have, you have

fed and led down this path, like they are not going to stop. It's like, it's, it's very scary. No, I remember specifically this scene from a speaker for the dead, the sequel to Ender's Game. And it may have been that one. It may have been the one after that. But one of the main characters starts inciting all of these people and turning them into a mob.

And he's, he's describing it so well, this feeling of being part of something and almost like just letting your will be become part of the mob will and how that feels really good. And then he was, he was the one leading it. And then it just got out of control because you can't control it. Yeah. Once the mob is there, it doesn't matter what an individual says or does. And so once you're kicked out of it, you just realize, oh, fuck, what have I done?

Yeah. It's almost like you're, you're dissociating. Yep. Or you are. I know that feeling from like concerts and like, you know, even sometimes I've been a church, there's that feeling of like becoming absorbed into the whole. And it's just when that is used so negatively, so dangerously, right? It becomes like that positive feeling that you have of being absorbed into a

group of people because it feels so good and is so powerful, can lead to real fucked up things as we're seeing. Yeah. And you can only direct it. You can't control it. So that's the thing. And even that is dicey. Yeah, exactly.

You know, you can hope to direct it. Yeah, you can kind of try and point it. Which is kind of what Alex is also doing. Exactly. And QAnon. And hopefully, you know, that's, I don't know, I don't know. Just to get this out of the way, Jordan, Elan Omar did not lobby for ISIS and she's not a terrorist.

Alex Jones is an over-white nationalist who can't handle criticism from a non-white person and he'll take any opportunity to scream bullshit in order to defend his positions without making them explicit. In November 2016, nine men were on trial in Minneapolis for attempting to buy fake passports to travel to Syria, presumably to train with ISIS. These were young men and they were facing 30 to 40 years in prison for their crimes. As a newly elected congressperson in Minnesota, Elan Omar wrote to the judge

not in an attempt to lobby for ISIS, but to encourage approaching the situation from the perspective of restorative justice as opposed to one of punitive justice. She was one of 13 individuals or organizations that wrote to the judge expressing this sentiment. In the letter, she points out that incarcerating these men for what amounts to basically their whole lives, in effect, helps terrorist recruitment, saying, quote, society will have no expectations of the to be 50 or 60

year old released prisoners. It will view them with distrust and revulsion. Such punitive measures do not only lack efficacy, they inevitably create an environment in which extremism can flourish, aligning with the presupposition of terrorist recruitment. That is, Americans do not accept you and continue to trivialize your value instead of being a nobody, be a martyr. She doesn't tell the judge what they should do.

Rather, she offers a perspective that this sort of fanaticism, her word, she uses the word of fanaticism to describe these people, can be fought most effectively with compassion. The fanaticism grows out of feelings of systematic systemic alienation, which is what we should all be working against. She doesn't say that these men should not be held responsible for their actions, just that there's a better way to deal with it, these situations than by locking somebody up for decades.

I think the important point to really highlight here is that these men didn't commit any violent act. They had the intention of joining a terrorist organization, and that could mean that they're not past the point of possible rehabilitation at that point. Right. You're welcome to have whatever feelings about that that you want. I think that you can probably have like, eh, it's a good idea to lock them up or it's a bad idea, however.

I think you could probably have a reasonable argument. You're not too far gone. If you encourage locking up people who make overtures to join a terrorist organization, I don't think that that's beyond the pale. I disagree with that, but I don't think that you're a monster for thinking that, but it's entirely off base to use this story as proof that Ilan Omar is a terrorist or support sizes to twist the story like this is to take a person's compassion and use it as a weapon against them, which is something that Alex

would never be doing if Omar was white. Alex constantly has Vox Day on his show as a guest who legitimately celebrates Arch terrorist Anders Brevik as a freedom fighter. Brevik didn't just plan something awful. He killed tons of people. If Alex had any intellectual consistency, he could never endorse or give a platform to someone like Vox Day and simultaneously pretend that Omar's letter to a judge is proof that she's a terrorist.

He can do both because he's a white supremacist who is totally fine with white terrorism that's directed against the scourge that is multiculturalism. And he believes that appeals to restorative justice where marginalized people are welcomed into the body of society is an appeal to terrorism. It's just that simple. You can make all this make sense. Yeah, it does make sense. All you have to do is consider it through the prism of, uh, yeah, he's

fine with white terrorism done by people who are afraid of multiculturalism. Right. He thinks that appeals to multiculturalism are in themselves terrorism. Why is that? I don't know because he's a fucking super white identity dude. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, if you, if you think that any encroachment on white supremacy is a terrorist act, then yes, I suppose in his idea, she is a terrorist.

That's how this makes sense. Exactly. And if Alex doesn't want that to be the conclusion people reach, he should behave differently because his, his behavior strongly implies that. Yeah, I've always been, I've always been confused as to why people don't understand why you would join ISIS or, or something like that. Like it, it seems very obvious to me why, like, okay, not to, not to, you're not saying that it's a good decision.

No, no, no. But I mean, uh, America, I was, I was 12 years old and America bombed my fucking home and my mom died and now I'm 17. I don't have any job. I don't have anything. And I know that America sent a bomb to me and I see a large group of people who are chanting, uh, you know, send her back, send her back to the president who doesn't stop them.

Exactly. I, I, yeah, like it's reasonable. It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing. I'm, I'm going to stop. I don't want to, I don't want to say reasonable, reasonable isn't the word you can, you can understand it. Not it's reasonable.

You're, you're able to extend your brain into a position where it would seem like a reasonable decision as opposed to it being like, well, yes, it, it makes rational sense. Right, right, right. No, I'm not saying it makes, right. And I'm not saying it makes rational sense, but yes. So, um, Alex wants to yell a bunch about, uh, how the Muslims started the slave trade in, uh, Somalia and he gets really mad that, uh, he can't get

a map to come up on his, uh, like his, uh, sort of overhead cam. Um, and so he gets up and starts screaming while pointing at the back drop, who's got a map there. I've seen a Google map, uh, Horn of Africa. Yeah. Just give me a, give me a wireless handheld. I'm going to do this more and more. We'll walk around the office.

Yeah, go on up the horns up here. Now I don't have a mic. I'll yell the horns up here. The horns over here. The horns right here. That's the horn. I heard it right there. I kept the slaves up right here.

Okay. That's how they do it. See Somalia right there. That's where they took the slaves out of Kenya and out of Ethiopia and out of Sudan and out of all these other places and loaded them on ships for a thousand years to ship them all over the world. All the way in the specific ocean, but the white man did it. Not the precious Muslim, not the precious Islam.

When Muhammad was a slaver in Mecca and Medina, where they sold slaves from all over the world. Well, see, I'm a bad man. You see, because I, I know the history. I'm a bad man. See, I got to be shut up. I'm a white dude. Everybody wants to get into my country because all the medicine and all the

technology and all the rest of stuff. See, I'm the bad guy. Well, you just don't get that from MSNBC. No, you just don't get that. You don't get this level of professionalism that is being expressed. I do. I do think that's one of the reasons that the show, I still appreciate doing this show is because God damn it.

He might just do that. And I, you know, I mean, yeah, I have no idea. Just imagine Wolf Blitzer yelling about like there's a wall walking away from his desk, pointing at the wall and being like, I'm the white devil. Sure. Make me feel bad. Everyone wants to get into my white man country. It's insane to imagine the sort of behavior being done by literally

anybody like Tucker Carlson would say this right time to type of racism, but not in the same way. Tucker knows better. He got, he had a trial by fire when he tried to do the bow tie for years and he realized like, don't fuck around. It's not worth it. Right. Alex, but that also was a testament to like how much Alex's brand is real.

You know, like the fact that he can do this stuff and it's never a crisis, right? Like there's never a, he doesn't come in the next day and he's like, I'm sorry, that was, no, with the exception of maybe whenever he may or may not have threatened that lawyer. Well, yeah, that one does that might have required an apology that could have been necessary. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex talks more about these, these Muslim slave folk.

But the real history of the world's not even debated. But Ilhan Omar wants to tell you how much America sucks and how bad it is. I know that boom camera doesn't go all the way over here. Maybe the document cam does, but see, here's India. Right over here is Africa. Right over here's the Middle East and all through here. If you look where Islam is, you wonder how it got all over the world. That's because of slave ships.

Alex, would you like to open up a conversation about missionaries and, uh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Fair enough. No, no, no, no, no, no. Dan, no, no. Would you like to open up a conversation about, uh, you know, tons of colonization efforts that were masquerading as bringing Christianity to the unwashed masses that were really just brutal exploitation and, uh, resource stripping?

They just needed the fur. Right. Nobody is, nobody is innocent in the history and no one needs to feel guilty. We need to move forward and heal these wounds so we can live together. Yeah. That's what we need to do. And obsessing about the idea of feeling guilt about the long, distant past is only a way to not deal with these things and that will keep these things a problem.

And that's what Alex wants. There's a stark, there's a stark difference now as, as it's kind of, as the question is becoming more and more clear, it's becoming more and more, uh, a stark choice of one, one group of people like Ilian Omar and, uh, and I, I suppose I hope most of us are trying to notice America's failures and use that information to improve America. Yeah. That's the idea.

And then the other choice is they are trying to improve America by removing everybody else. Yeah. That's, that's it. There's visions of, uh, the future. And one is, uh, uh, hopeful and one is dark, dark indeed. So, um, in this next clip, Alex, uh, says some more stuff about Omar. And I think that this is, uh, not, I mean, I know it's not good.

Why do I say, I think, I know, boobies are slavers out of Somalia. One thing that Alex does a lot is he talks about boobies, uh, the pirate term. Yeah. But whenever he does, he gets really defensive about the idea that people think he's talking about titties. Right. Right. So I cut out the part before this, where he's talking about that, but it's

so consistent. He loves using the word boobies, but also knows that it's like, I got dumb listeners. I got to make sure they know that I'm not, I'm not talking about blue-footed boobies, the bird either. I'm not talking about breasts. It just doesn't seem worth it. It's not.

You could just say pirates. And they're arrogant and they have a right to rule and they'll rob your ship and they'll kidnap you and they'll kill you in a minute and they'll come to your country and they'll tell you to bow to them or you're a racist. And you know what you do when they do it? You get on your knees to them and you say, I'm a piece of crap slaver. I'm your slave. And Ilhan says, that's right, dirty American.

You're mine now. So I mean, all you could see here is just a building up of, uh, the narrative against her and, you know, when you see this on the Tuesday and then Wednesday, uh, you see Trump's rally, it's not that one leads to the other. It's that we're living in a point of acceleration surrounding this. Yep. And the targeting of this woman is so severe and so scary. Um, no, they're trying to kill her.

So in this next clip, Alex talks more about her letter that she sent to this judge in Minneapolis. And I want to point out that like there are just factual lies that he's saying here, I kind of got wound up there last segment, but it's because I've got articles like this on info wars.com. That's a flashback, but I'd forgotten about it. I'd forgotten about it. Ilhan Omar begs judge to show mercy to ISIS terrorist, Jamie White wrote the

story last night. Of course, he got no attention. Who cares that she publicly wrote letters saying that these individuals were freedom fighters and that they were fighting evil when they worked for ISIS and so that they shouldn't get prison time. She didn't say they were freedom fighters. Vox day says that Anders Brevik is a freedom fighter literally. Yep.

So I, she doesn't, she didn't say that she called them what they were fanatics involved in is fanaticism. Yeah. She called it extremism. So like this is just factually inaccurate. And the only reason you would make that kind of factually inaccurate claim is if you were more interested in the perception that you're painting as opposed to the reality, which is very key.

So in this next clip, Alex just talks about how Ilhan Omar comes from Somali royalty and that her family was involved in slaving. I don't see him pointing to anything other than her skin color. And he says literally that she doesn't look like other Africans. What? Right. So he says, he uses that as sort of his defense for why he thinks that she comes from higher class Somali stock, which is not good.

Does that mean that is he, is he actually just trying to say that she's a fairer skin, which is why he thinks that she's from a, I think he's beating around the bush on that a little bit. Yeah, but other than that, I see no evidence that he points to, to defend these claims that he's making, which is a problem. I know slavery got ended by the British 200 years ago. And I know Somali used to have all those big castles and it's big slave ships and all that cash and harems.

And, you know, and you're from the upper ruling Arab class and everything. And you're going to rule, you're going to show us with your all arrogance. I am Somali royal slain, don't pull me. I have my head the size of peanut. It's not going to happen. Kiss my American red, white and blue patutists. Never big old slice of bacon burger for yourself. That's obscenely offensive.

The, my head's the size of a peanut. The impression that he's doing, the fact that his brain immediately goes to have a big old bacon burger. It's just, this is hateful. This is fucked up. Yeah. So in this next clip, we get sort of off the Elan Omar business because Alex is coming back from break and he's in a real weird mood.

And he has a terrifying prophecy of what's to come in this country. I was thinking this morning when I saw about flesh eating bacteria spreading all over the US from illegal aliens and how eyes is ordered to not even treat people and just get them in that it's a, as above so below, as below so above. The globalists are going to release a bio weapon. I think more than blowing up a nuclear reactor, maybe even nuking Trump. I, I'm not saying they're going to do it. I think they, I know they've obviously got plans for things all the time going

that they don't implement, but they've got their finger on the trigger on the switches. That's dumb. I, I, they're trying to crash the economy and that could do it. And so they're losing control of the intelligence agencies right now, but I smell bio attack or a big, giant right wing attack on some groups with a whole bunch of right wing pats. He's in a huge false flag and they don't want us there when they stage it being on air to have witnesses that'll go actually show what happened.

That part at the end there, I think is a kind of him showing his cards a little bit that he's pretty worried that the trends that we're seeing in the present day are probably, I mean, you know, you see these caches of weapons that are found, you see these groups. I think that he recognizes on some level, there's probably going to be a rash of right wing violence. There's a decent chance that something really fucked up is going to happen. And, you know, I should probably have that as a part of my narrative.

It's just in case. God, that's such, I, oh man, that's cheating. You know, that's fucking cheating. It's like, no, you, you just. Hey, like, I feel, I feel helpless in the face of somebody who is actively inspiring and inciting violence. Wow. And then as part of his narrative saying that when that violence is carried out, it

has nothing to do with any of us. And we'll all be just patsy. Exactly. That's such cheating. That's unfair. It is. It's terrible. But again, here in that clip, we find Alex once again, spreading his incredibly

not far off from Nazi talking point about immigrants being the carriers of disease. Unfortunately, his dumb ass Ebola and San Antonio narrative was a complete flop. So he's had to pivot to the vague notion that immigrants are bringing in the flesh eating bacteria. Flesh eating bacteria is a condition that's very scary, since it acts very rapidly and involves the spreading of like decaying of your flesh. It's visually really fucking scary.

If you've ever seen it all, it's visceral in the same way that Ebola is, which makes it a perfect candidate for Alex to use as a condition to attach to the population he's seeking to demonize. According to the CDC, since 2010, between 700 and 1200 cases of the condition occur annually in the United States. And here's the thing that everyone who knows anything about flesh eating bacteria knows most of the reports of it happened during the summer. Why?

Because almost everyone catches flesh eating bacteria from swimming or falling into warm water. When Alex, when, when is Alex seeing an increase in reports of flesh eating bacteria the summer? What does he arbitrarily decide to blame it on? Immigrants. Why? Because he's an overt white nationalist who would blame immigrants for

anything he felt he could get away with. A quick look through the stories about flesh eating bacteria from recent days show a clear trend. Nashville man contracted flesh eating bacteria while kayaking. Virginia woman recovering from flesh eating bacteria. She says she's recovering after she went swimming at a beach in Norfolk. Milton woman contracted flesh eating bacteria after scalloping in Port St. Joe.

Here's a tough one from CBS. Quote, Florida man contracts flesh eating bacteria without even touching the water. Man, I bet Alex would say those probably immigrants. However, if you read the article in the fourth paragraph, you get a clue of what might be up. Quote, Tyler King owns a water sports business. No, I've got a small theory of that guy.

No, God damn it. Anyone who isn't trying to demonize immigrants would never blame an uptick in reports of flesh eating bacteria in the summer on immigrants. They would know that this is a very well understood phenomenon and happens every year. Alex doesn't fucking care about the truth. This is completely disgraceful and embarrassing. White nationalist propaganda.

He's disseminating. There is no two ways about it. And just to make this very blunt, the CDC is very clear. Quote, it's very rare for someone with necrotizing fasciitis to spread the infection to other people. It's not considered a condition that has a risk of being highly transmittable person to person. They don't even routinely prescribe antibiotics for people who are in close

proximity to people who get bacteria because it just doesn't spread that way. It spreads from people who are at risk swimming in warm water. When you talk about at risk, there are certain conditions like, you know, having cirrhosis of the liver, diabetes that make you at higher risk of getting the bacteria. But then at the same time, if you have an open wound or if you fall into warm water and you get cut by something, you have a higher risk. Right.

Serious researchers are concerned that we're seeing an uptick in cases of bacteria, but it's not because of immigrants. It's because of climate change. As water temperatures rise, the amount of time that ocean water is at a temperature where the bacteria can live and reproduce increases, which in turn increases the chances of someone catching it. Even so, it's not something that most people should worry about all that much. Cases of people who don't have open wounds or preexisting conditions that put

them at risk catching flash eating bacteria are exceedingly rare. So to sum this up, Alex is a white nationalist trying to create fear around a manufactured issue in an attempt to sway public opinion against immigrants. It's very clear A to B to C. There's no two ways about this. Yeah, it's fucked up that the entire Republican policy platform makes the world worse. And then the people who are running interference and propaganda for it blame

all that shit, not on the Republican policy platform, but on immigrants. Right. Thus making the world a worse place and then making the world a worse place allows them to blame immigrants for making the world a worse place. It's a perpetual bullshit machine. Yep. So Jordan, at this point on the 16th here, Alex has a guest come in and I almost gasped when I heard who it was Barnes.

All right. Joining us is Vox Day. It's going to get a columnist publisher filmmaker for the next 30 minutes and then in studio before she goes back to Ohio. Katelyn Bennett, who cares? Katelyn Bennett. Nope. I want to say very clearly that like I when I one of the ways that I

generally prepare these episodes is I will listen to Alex. And when he says something really substantial, I will pause the episode, dig into the things that he's saying and then move on. So I had already written and like researched all the stuff about Alana Omar and her letter to the judge and made the comparison to Vox Day. Exactly. And then all of a sudden Vox Day fucking shows up. Yeah.

You're the devil, Dan. It was really weird to me. I was like, I can't believe that he's the best example that refutes Alex's position about what he was saying earlier in the episode. And here he is as a guest. It's it's very bizarre. It's almost like he's fucking with people. You, you are fucking with people.

I swear to God, you're making this happen all by yourself. Every time we do a 2013 episode and then we do a modern day episode and they line up fucking perfectly. It's very weird. This is all your, your, okay. Are we living in a simulation where you're actually the main character? I hope not. It's freaking me out.

If so, I've done a terrible job of creating the circumstances for myself to be in. This isn't what I would choose. I don't know. A lot of people have a little bit of self-flagellation in them. Yeah, maybe. So, you know, Vox day, one of the things that he wants to do is he wants to spend a good amount of time complaining about Alexandria or Casey or Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Presley and women of color doing anything.

Period. Right. Those, those four Congress people that he, you know, they're real fucking scared about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,680 Um, and he says a couple of things that I think are just like, uh-oh. Being born in the United States doesn't make anyone an American any more than being born in a manger made Jesus Christ a cow. And the idea that the dirt is magic, the idea that geography, uh, determines genetics and nationality is an absolute lie that literally every major thinker dating back to the Chinese sages would have laughed at. You're on real dangerous territory here when you are like, yes, we're all citizens, but some of us are more citizens.

Yeah. That, uh, that to me, especially when you're specifically talking about four Congress people of color, like that to me is really fucking dangerous. That idea. Cause once you introduce that it's possible that there's levels of citizenship. Right. Like, yes, we, of course they're all citizens, but they're not America. Right.

Right. Right. Right. No, no, no. We want to be Vox day. We want to be of comparable level, but apart. What I'm saying is we want to be, uh, apart from each other, but also equal. We want to be separate, but equal.

So in this next clip, Vox day expresses that we should all be thrilled about Trump and his camps, um, because what comes next, if he doesn't do this will be way worse, which is kind of fucked up. But then the way Alex responds to it, I think is even more fucked up and indicates that he knows what's going on and he's fucking into it. For those who are concerned that, you know, Trump is, is an extremist and putting people in concentration camps and is a Nazi and all that sort of thing. He is, uh, they had better embrace and accept endorse and support his, uh,

boomer civic nationalism because they're really going to like what comes after that a lot less, whether it's from the left or from the right, because the history of human migration has always been accompanied by large scale war and Balkanization. Not always. Trump recognizes this and he's attempting to get in the way of it. And that's right. He's doing everybody a favor because if we go a socialist model, describe

that versus a fascist model, which you'll probably go towards. I mean, if they really want right wing fascism, they're conjuring it. So he's basically saying like, yeah, right wing fascism is probably coming, but it's also the left's fault. So we're the ones causing right wing fascism. Right. It's a good way to be like, uh, hey, a lot of people on the left have been warning that, uh, looks like we're heading in that direction and that made us do it.

Same thing with like, Hey, you know, you call people racist long enough, they're gonna fucking start throwing the N word around. You're going to make them racist by calling them racist. That's how it works. You guys have all said that we're drifting dangerously close towards, uh, something that looks a lot like fascism. And because of that, you've made me a fascist. How am I, what am I supposed to do?

You called me in enough like, fuck you. Yeah, I am. All right, fine. What we should have done this, what we should have done is nothing and then allowed them to create it on their own. And that wait, no, we'd still get to right wing fascism. So literally anything we do is going to be at fault for your right wing fascism. Right.

Thanks. Thanks, dude. Yep. It's a trap. Yeah. So, uh, Vox Day, again, who admires Anders Brevik, uh, can't stress that enough. Uh, not a small detail about this shithead. Um, he, uh, has this to say about, uh, the, uh, the Congress people.

Again, just reiterating, they're not Americans. The fact that he's willing to take on these issues publicly, the fact that he's willing to take the media's Overton window and smash it completely with regards to, uh, the fact that these women are not Americans and do not belong there. Again, they're US citizens, but they're not Americans by any definition. They're an enemy within, all they do is say they hate country. So they're an enemy within, they're an enemy within fucking Christ. We're all going to die.

Well, I mean, Alex can present it all he wants is like they hate the country. And that's what I'm actually talking about. It's not something else, but that's so nebulous and impossible to define. Like the idea that, uh, any sort of criticism of the country is, makes you not an American, you're a citizen, you're not an American. I would say that every, until Trump got elected, Alex is then condemning himself. Well, yeah, but he's a terrorist, but he's actually a real American. Oh, okay.

And real Americans can criticize the government before Trump got in. It was a globalist occupied government, right? So real Americans, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't anti the country. You it was the government that was anti the country. It was there. It was their fault. See, they were making him be un-American, Dan.

You kind of get that sense that everything is someone else's fault. It does seem like everything is somebody else's fault. So the two of these shitheads have a longer conversation. I don't really care about it. It's all fucking stupid. And Alex trying to sell Vox Day's comic book. And so that ends the 16th. We get now into the 17th.

And Alex spends the first hour of his show on something that I find to be one of the more disturbing things. It's low key, incredibly disturbing. It may not appear to be immediately, but I think I can explain why. It has to do with the camps. The detention centers for immigrants that are being run by ICE and the border patrol. Right. Alex is found.

Who will all be tried at Nuremberg, I assume. We'll see. Alex has found a video that Candace Owens put out. And here is him introducing the subject. There was a Candace Owens rant where she's saying, I want this to go the most viral of any video I've ever done. And she's on her own now, showing everyone turning point USA. And she's a handheld camera shot, but it's a powerful rant.

She speaks for all of us in her anger. It makes the same points I make that these videos, these facilities, we're letting third party journalist in show that it's nicer than the summer camp. I just dropped my daughters off at a few weeks ago. So you can hear Alex saying that, you know, she came out with this video. She's not with turning points USA anymore. She's filming this on her own. He is presenting this like a current video.

Oh, one thing the Candace Owens video is from as far back as September 2018. That can't be real. It was posted on her Facebook on September 7th, 2018. I assume it was streamed live because she does mention that she's streaming it. So this is in no way current news. Also, she went to an ice facility in Broward County, Florida. And Alex is using it to somehow refute the argument that AOC and others have made that there's problems at the detention centers on our border.

The only thing Florida borders is the water. That's where they get all that flesh eating bacteria from. Could be. Candace's video proves literally nothing. And neither do the clips Alex shows to try and help build her case. For reasons I'll explain later. Her video is almost a year old and from halfway across the country, from where the problem is that's being discussed. What Alex and Candace are doing here is a classic propaganda tactic.

Because Alex knows that he can't really address the actual complaints and very serious issues that are being brought up about ice and border patrol without either condemning Trump or overtly supporting abusing detainees. He moves the goalposts. People are talking about detainee abuse and Camp X. So he provides footage of a discussion of Camp Y to pretend to demonstrate that all the hoopla about Camp X is just overblown virtue signaling and the left being out of their minds.

I try to be sensitive about this and I try to avoid comparing things to the Holocaust. But Alex is literally mimicking Nazi propaganda strategies. So I really don't know what else I can do in this circumstance. Now we're there. Many people forget that during World War Two, the Nazis were not completely open about what they were doing in their camps. People have this image in their head that it wasn't secretive. Right.

Like the Nazis didn't try to cover that up. Right. They tried to create the public perception that these camps weren't as bad as everyone was saying that they were. And the stories that were saying that they were really awful were almost certainly allied propaganda from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. Quote, positive stories were fabricated as part of the planned deception. One booklet printed in 1941, glowingly reported that in occupied Poland,

German authorities had put Jews to work, built clean hospitals, set up soup kitchens for Jews and provided them with newspapers and vocational training. One of the central pieces of the grander deception was Thereseenstad. Again, from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, quote, anticipating that some Germans might find the official story that Jews are being sent to the East to perform labor, to be implausible in reference to elderly Jews, disabled war veterans and prominent musicians or artists. The Nazi regime cynically publicized the existence of Thereseenstad as a

residential community where elderly or disabled German and Austrian Jews could retire and live out their lives in peace and safety. Obviously, this was bullshit. It served as little more than a stop along the way before the victims were sent to their ultimate destination and as a place where Nazis could use the place to help mold public perception about their activities. In 1944, the Red Cross wanted to tour Auschwitz, but the Nazis knew they couldn't allow that, but also they couldn't say no

outright to the Red Cross wanting to tour a facility. They decided to allow the Red Cross to tour Thereseenstad. Quote, as an elaborate hoax, the SS authorities accelerated deportations from the ghetto shortly before the visit and ordered the remaining prisoners to beautify the ghetto. Prisoners had to plant gardens, paint houses and renovate barracks. The SS authorities staged social and cultural events for visiting dignitaries. I'm not necessarily trying to say that our government is currently

producing Thereseenstad style. The camps aren't so bad propaganda. I'm saying Alex is the strategy of neglecting accusations of abuse of people in custody in one place by pointing to the optics of a completely different place is directly out of the Nazi propaganda playbook. The Nazis did such a good job with their propaganda films about Thereseenstad that the reaction many people had was to wonder, quote, why ghetto residents appeared to be to live a better, more luxurious life

than many Germans in wartime. You may have noticed that Alex keeps making similar comments about these camps. They're nicer than the camp he dropped his daughter off at. That was Candice's take to saying, quote, I'm infuriated for the children of America, who nobody gives a shit about on the left. While they have their fake paid protesters, they're pretending the people inside here are going through anything, and it's nicer than any public school system that I've ever seen in my life.

That's the truth. The policies that I support from the Republican Party that have left these children in this horrible situation are what the left is not taking seriously and ignoring whenever they talk about our concentration camps, which are also the policies of the party that I fucking support. Now, the obvious difference here is that the ice people probably didn't create a completely manufactured reality for Candice to experience when she went to that camp, as the Nazis did in 1944.

It might just, you know, the camp might very well have been as nice and well run as she says it was. I need to stress, in this case, it's less about the government creating a false perception that the media then repeats to the public. Because why would they bother when people like Alex and Candice are willing to do all that work for them? And it seems like people don't really care. Since Candice made her video, at least seven immigrant children have died

in U.S. custody and make no mistake about this. This isn't a Trump problem. This is a nice problem and it predates 2016. Obama is definitely to share some blame in the current situation, but it would be delusional to say that the Trump administration isn't making things much worse and allowing conditions to worsen. Um, and I want to, I want to just make this clear because I think it would be easy to misconstrue the point that I'm making.

I'm not in any way saying that the camps that we are running are on par with the camps that were run by the Nazis. I'm not, I'm not making any kind of direct comparison there. I'm talking specifically about this strategy that the Nazis used in order to shift public perception of the reality. Right. When you have ICE and border patrol facilities that are the subject of conversation by people in Congress, people who are concerned parties, the

ACLU, um, people who are human rights organizations, when you have people who are having those conversations about this specific thing for Alex to talk about, uh, you know, something else entirely in order to deflect from, uh, the, the original issue that is specifically a Nazi strategy that they employed to trick the world community into being pacified and not taking the issue seriously, which interestingly enough sounds very similar to something that, uh, was ascribed to the Jews in the protocols of the elders of Zion and anti-Semitic fucking propaganda tactic.

So in this next clip, Alex is just, uh, you know, talking more about this Candace Owens video and I'm only playing this to like really drive home that he thinks it's current. He thinks that she just put this video out. Let me tell you what's coming up today. Incredible. Powerful to the point, rant by Candace Owens after she toured her third or fourth migrant detention center, but she's on her own now.

She's not returning point USA. She was too popular. So again, he's, he's presenting this as a current thing and he does it even more. So Candace Owens comes out. She's really pissed. She's outside the lavish facility. A lot of these are like in former nice hotels and stuff. We've gone and covered it and she gets angry and so she wants it to go viral.

It is going viral. It's got like a million views, but only about a few hours. A few hours. The problem is she, she's not returning point USA anymore. She doesn't have any crew. She's hand shooting this. Well, guess what? I saw the left this morning at five AM when I was first up looking at this on

her Twitter, go on, screw you know, it's a camp. You're lying. So Alex is like, yeah, you know, we, she wants it to go viral. We're going to help because you should put it up a couple hours ago. Fucking bullshit. So in this next clip, Alex is very unclear about this. It's still talking about Candace Owens and I thought he was talking about her specifically, but he's talking about some other local Fox affiliate reporter who has a social

media account on this thing, this other platform. And it does sort of relate to Candace Owens. Anyway, I just, we need a little palate cleanser and there's something kind of funny about this. Fox news host in Phoenix, who's an Emmy award winner. They caught her with a parlor account, which is just a conservative or open Facebook alternative. And she got caught on tape being admonished that you're not supposed to say you're conservative, you'll get called extreme. So this is just another one of these social media upstarts where people who've been kicked

off Facebook and Twitter have tried to create their own homes. Yeah. Gabb and Telegram were disasters and quickly descended into racist Nazi hell holes. Who would have guessed? So here we have another one. Now, the interesting thing about this is that the name of the site is Parley pronounced like the French verb to speak, but people didn't like that shit. And so they just started calling it parlor.

So the official pronunciation of the name has now been changed to parlor. But it's spelled parley. Well, that's how it P. A. P. A. R. L. E. R. is how you spell the French for parlor. Right. Yeah. Oh, okay. It wasn't, it wasn't spelled, it wasn't spelled P. A. R. L. A. Y. No, like that.

Okay. I guess people are just quitting that, but they, the official pronunciation changed because people bucked back against the French pronunciation for a platform that's supposed to be about free speech and free expression. It seems like a profoundly rocky start for the creator of the site to not even be allowed to call the site what he wants to do due to crushing anti French bias on the part of the mob. Yeah.

Why didn't he just call it freedom page? Exactly. Since launching, parlor has gotten into a bit of a feud with gab. The two of them have gotten into a beef and most people think that the site kind of sucks. It's not scaled to the amount of users. So there's often like slow down glitching and sort of thing. It's very not good as a user experience. A June 5th piece and daily dot points out the Candace Owens herself has only made 13

total posts on the site and hadn't posted anything since January. Because why would she? She's still on Twitter and her grift doesn't really run on diminished levels of attention. It's good to signal to these alternatives to Twitter and be like, yeah, we're going to support them. This is what it's all about. Yeah. But if you can use the real thing that you're going to, right?

And you're going to refuse to pronounce the name correctly because you're a nice whole. Yeah, they are. Paul A. So anyway, back to this, speaking of social media, Alex makes an announcement about his video that he's created. So he took the video of Candace Owens from a year ago and he added evidence into the video. Okay. That explains why he's pretending that the camps are all cool.

They're great. They're better than his kid's summer camp. Sure. So he's made this video and look at look at what he says about social media. Powerful migration detention center rant with video proof. We've posted it to YouTube. We're posting it to Twitter. You need to get this out.

I guess those bands are really working. Alex has posted it to YouTube and Twitter and is publicly announcing that I guess they still have some sort of presence. Can he do that? I guess so. That's not good. This is why I was, you know, very, very excited about this. This is why I was, you know, very concerned whenever these social media bands started

to happen is like, I know that they're shitheads and they're bad actors. They'll find a way around it. Well, yeah, clearly they have. There's some sort of a channel that they still have. God damn it. Yeah. You just, you can't, there's no real level of control that you can exert that will actually keep people like Alex out.

Yeah. They'll get in the pool somehow and he's going to take a shit while he's in there. Right. It's just, it's just too much data. There shouldn't be that much data in any one place. There's no way that you can handle that. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex makes a correction about his coverage of Candace's video.

And when I heard this, I was certain he's like, oh, I found out that it was from last September. Nope. Different correction. A quick correction because I go through a lot of videos in the morning and I was watching this Candace Owens video like five in the morning and I was like, oh, she left Reading Point USA. Look, she's shooting this video with her own handheld.

I thought, oh, let's add the video proof because we've got all the video inside these centers to show it's super nice. Then I missed the two seconds where she's like, this is coming out. I got a film crew. And then you see two film crew guys like 50 feet behind her. So that's good. But I was wondering like, wow, why isn't she showing all this? And we already know this.

I'm glad she's angry. We all should be angry. I'm angry. You certainly are. I can't believe that he thought to make a correction and it wasn't that this is almost a year old video. Like how it's amazing to me. No, he said that she didn't have a film crew.

She was doing it by herself, but she did. He didn't see the whole part. Well, correction. But that's because in the video, she mentions her film crew. Exactly. And he knows that part. But she doesn't say in the video, it's September 2018. If she had, he would make a correction about that because it's too obviously I'm wrong.

Right. So in this next clip, Alex brings up those pieces that he added to her story in order to add proof that these places are basically hotels. Well, notice from Texas and California and Arizona. We spliced in footage that AP released yesterday showing exactly what she said she found in Florida and is going to be showing because all the facilities are the same. That doesn't sound right. Alex does play selected clips from this AP video that was released recently, but he's

being fucking dishonest about it. This video is about a camp in Carrizo Springs, Texas, and it's run by the Department of Health and Human Services. Alex plays some clips where the kids are playing sports, being given juice and reading textbooks. Somehow, and I have no idea how he missed this part, he left out the quote from the DHHS spokesman, Mark Webber, who says, quote, the reason for Carrizo Springs and the reason why we stood this up is, again, not to allow children to stay in border patrol stations any longer than they need to.

You probably don't trust me, so here he is saying that. The reason for Carrizo Springs and the reason why we stood this up is, again, not to allow children to stay in border patrol stations any longer than they need to. Oh, so, I mean, that's why this thing exists. This AP video is explicitly about a DHHS center that has been set up because of how unsafe ICE and border patrol centers are. That's not my interpretation of the video. Here's another part of this two-and-a-half-minute video that Alex seems to mysteriously have

missed. Throughout the tour, HHS was eager to draw contrasts and make this point that it, as an agency, is far better equipped to care for migrant children than various branches of federal law enforcement. The Associated Press reported on dilapidated and overcrowded conditions at the U.S. Border Patrol Station in Clint, Texas. Across the Rio Grande Valley, the Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General said kids at three facilities had no access to showers and some children under seven had

been held in cramped border patrol stations for more than two weeks. This video is two-and-a-half minutes long. He's just selectively taking out the parts that help him build his false narrative. If you need this to be any more explicit, please listen to how this report ends. This is Kevin Dinen speaking, who runs the company that took the contract to run the center explicitly under the condition that the government allow the children, quote, unfettered access to human rights lawyers, lawmakers, and the media. In every response that we've done for ORR, it's been to keep kids out of CBP jail cells.

So let me be clear. I'm not saying that this DHHS facility is a good thing, and I still think it constitutes an inappropriate detention, but it's a completely different thing than the ICE and Border Patrol facilities that are being discussed by folks like AOC. And in fact, in that clip, it's very clear that the people who are running it are running it specifically to keep kids out of the very unsafe things that are the things that AOC is talking about and complaining about. So if you're keeping score, Alex Jones has made an emergency video that has to go viral

by combining an almost year old rant from Candace Owens' trip to a Florida detention center, combined with an AP video about a center that was set up by a private contractor and the DHHS specifically to keep children out of ICE and Border Patrol centers where they often don't have access to showers. Alex is presenting these two things as some kind of a debunking of the atrocities that are being reported out of migrant detention centers, which should tell you all you need to know. He doesn't give a fuck about what's real.

He doesn't give a fuck about those kids. He doesn't give a fuck about the truth. He doesn't give a fuck about doing a good job. If you're trying to do a good job as a journalist, he's failed miserably. But it's important to remember he's not trying to be a journalist or even a pundit. Consider this. If he were trying to do a good job of creating the image of a modern Toresian stod for his followers to accept as the reality so they stay on the team and ignore all these abuses,

then he's doing a fantastic job. I don't understand how people like him can hate so much. These guys now are all running interference just so they can allow children to die and people to be kept at the border in order to try and discourage other people from coming here and also just to be cruel because they hate. They're creating this stuff because they know that a lot of the people who support them, a lot of the people who are necessary for the GOP to remain in power, aren't fans of murder, I guess.

So they're lying to them. They're lying to their own people, which suggests they know how evil it is, what they're doing. You know? They know they're lying. I just don't... No, I mean, they don't just know they're lying. They know they're lying in service of cruelty and murder. Well, generally when you...

So that's what I don't... I don't understand how you can hate that much. I don't understand how this is news to you. I know. It's not news. It's not news. It's just... I'm constantly struggling with that.

You experience it fresh. Every day. A lot of time, whenever you care. It's tough. I don't know. I mean, whenever you lie intentionally, you're doing it for a reason and you're aware of that reason. Like, I don't see any way Alex could do this just coincidentally by sloppiness or laziness.

Oh, yeah. This isn't sloppiness. No. This is specific and direct and on purpose. If Alex or whoever who works for him took the time to watch this two and a half minute AP piece to take the clips of it that they do, they would have had to see the other things that directly contradict the ways in which they're using this for. The only reason you would do that is in order to create a false appearance about what these

camps and these centers really are. And the only reason you would do that is because you're aware that they're really bad. And if the appearance of them being really bad is allowed to stand and be public, it's going to erode whatever stake in the market you have, whatever political power you have now with Trump being ascendant. It's very clear. Like, it unravels very quickly. And when you take a second to understand that this is the strategy that's being used.

You have to take this very seriously. This isn't okay. And it exists on the same program where within a day of this, you have a guy who admires Anders Brevik coming on the show to say that some citizens aren't Americans. This is here. This show is, they're not fucking around. Whenever I worried that Alex would take the bands and social media and what he would do is he would get more extreme about it.

One of the things that I was really looking at was like, well, I think you might just start, end up saying the n word and like really get overt with it and or be like, Hey, you know what guys? I've been fucking around for a long time. It was the Jews. Yeah. Or something like that. And I think that it would be, it was naive of me possibly to expect that kind of extreme

of out and out Nazi propaganda. This is, this is exactly that, but a slightly different version of it than I expected to find. The show is inexcusable in its present state. Anybody who works there should be deeply fucking ashamed of themselves. They have to be aware of what they're doing. Yeah. Anyway, to get this out of our mouths, to get this taste out, Alex has a new shirt that

he's selling. Oh, okay. Good. If it's send her back, I swear to God, I swear to God, I'm burning this place down. It's not. Okay. Recently, Alex put out a Betsy Ross shirt, uh, this color, these colors don't run kind of thing.

Oh, they got us. They owned the Libs so hard. We just got owned Dan. It does still burn a little bit. Oh yeah. So that shirt sold out in that Alex has a new variant on that shirt that he's putting out that has a Gadsden snake on it. There we go.

But in this clip, Alex is simultaneously saying that he stole this shirt from somebody and that he came up with it himself. What? I said, we're going to sell out of the new Betsy Ross American flag. These colors don't run America's back shirts, which we did sell out of. Thanks for the support, folks. But the price we sell them, we got to sell a ton of them to fund the operation, but we did sell 4,000.

And I said, I told folks it's a pop or we have a new variant. And I said, I want the new variant to be an American flag, a Betsy Ross, but also another just classic American flag, all 50 stars with the Gadsden snake superimposed over it. And on the back, America's back info wars.com. Last night, I'm on info wars.com and I read Chris Pratt criticized for t-shirt choice. It is literally the shirt that I envisioned. Of course, it's a common sense shirt, but what's better than just an American flag about a don't try it on me under the flag.

Say, don't try on the American flag. It's a perfect combo. So great minds think alike. I mean, whoever designed that shirt, we'd already come up with the exact same similar design. And so that's the new limited edition. We're printing 4,000. By the way, just yesterday, the 4,000 shirts of the Betsy Ross flag arrived, the ones that

are already sold out. Those are now shipping today. Anyone wants this new limited edition? It is the don't tread on me American flag t-shirt inspired by the triggering of leftist by the shirt worn by Chris Pratt. So wait, is it inspired by the left getting mad at Chris Pratt's shirt or did you come up with it mysteriously before and then it happens to be the exact same shirt? Which is it?

I know from your own words, you have a habit of stealing things from people. Yeah, I think this is the lawsuit. You stole 1770 answer to 1984 1776 from some Scottish dude that you met. You stole Hillary for prison from a bumper sticker you saw. You have a habit of stealing people's intellectual property. Whenever I hear you say like, Oh, yeah, I read this article about how Chris Pratt, everyone's mad at his shirt with the Gadsden snake on it with the American flag. And I was like, Oh, I had already come up with that.

Yeah. So we're going to sell this inspired by the left getting mad. I hear that and I think you stole the shirt and you created a fake backstory about having already come up with the shirt. Yeah. And even if you did already come up with the shirt and then you saw that it already exists, you can't just then make the same sure. You still can't.

You still can't. It's still not okay. There's still stealing this guy's design. Yeah, that's not how it works. Oh God. It's crazy. I wrote this really long novel about this whale. And then the other day I was just reading these books and I saw that somebody wrote

a review of Moby Dick and I was like, Wow, that is a really good idea. And so I'm selling my new novel Moby Dick. If you would like it inspired by the review said that a lot of people had read Moby Dick. Yeah. I was inspired. Yeah. I'm printing 4,000 of those. So if anybody knows Chris Pratt, this is a long shot.

But if anybody knows Chris Pratt or knows the person who designed that shirt, please feel free to send them this clip and Sue Alex. Yeah. Oh, all day. That is the shit out of them. I at least think that this is like on the fence in terms of intellectual property law. I would say at least a cease and desist would be in order. So not too far back, we heard a clip of Alex alleging that the Nazis at Charlottesville,

the white nationalist, the white supremacists there were all gay theater students who had been employed. I do recall the Democratic Party. I do recall that. Yes. That narrative went by the wayside for a little while. But guess what? Alex is back on his bullshit.

Really? And this includes an accusation about Richard Spencer. Did you know that in Charlottesville a year and a half ago, the Democratic Party and other groups put out ads and they hired what is called in Washington, Astro-Turf. And they hired people to dress like Nazis. That's why they actually wore costumes, khaki pants, white button-up shirts, tiki torches. And the five leaders of the group all formally worked for the Democratic Party within two years of them becoming Nazi leaders.

And most of them were simply art department people and college students getting acting degrees, degrees in the arts, mainly gay men wanting to do their part for the Democrats, who came out and got together from all over the country, flew in and then had their march so that America would see marching Nazis. And I'll say it. Marching Nazis. Richard Spencer is a total fake. And CNN puts him on as the Nazi leader.

He wears outfits like he's from 1938 Germany and it's all a giant theater art production. And I have the ads, online ad recruited Charlottesville activists for $25 an hour. If you were like someone who admired the Nazis, you might dress like somebody in Germany in 1938. It seems like it does make sense. It would be on brand. It would be on brand. Yeah.

So we've heard Alex go down this road before making a bunch of bullshit up about how to unite the right rally in Charlottesville is full of actors. It's one of his many attempts to make sure his audience doesn't think that there were real white supremacists, real white nationalists and real aspiring Nazis there. Since for some mysterious reason, that idea seems incredibly threatening to him. You know, you got this. It's the same thing with the camps. It's like you can't allow the image of reality to penetrate because if you do, you run the

risk of your audience being like, yeah, I don't like communism either, but they're fucking Nazis out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We still don't like Nazis as a majority in this country. Yeah. It seems like or the minority that does like Nazis is a lot larger than we ever suspect.

I think Alex also like, I think he's he knows enough to know that there is at least a considerable faction of his audience that were they to think that they were like in league with and supporting legitimate white supremacists, right? They would not be on board with that, right? It would be a much tougher sell for him to sell this Gadsden flag shirt to people who were aware that he's holding water for and defending like legit racist, right? I think I wouldn't be surprised if some of his listeners were almost treating this like white supremacist porn, you know, like they're they're getting off on this, but they would

not actually want a white supremacist nation. I don't know. Do you know what I'm saying? No, I don't think that's the case. You don't think so? I think there are a number of people who have drank the Kool-Aid enough to think that Alex isn't supporting, you know, racism and white supremacy and aspiring Nazis. And were they to realize that it would threaten their contribution to his marketplace?

I think he knows that and he knows better than to allow that perception, which is pretty accurate. It's almost so he has to construct these bizarre narratives in order to get around it. Like he had Jason Kessler, the rally organizer on his show and directly accused him of being a Fed. Right. He found those fake documents on 4chan that he pretends are contracts between Antifa and George Soros' son, which put into writing their plans to start race riots, which connect

somehow to Charlottesville, I'm not sure. And of course, he has the argument that the Nazis were really just gay theater students. I've kind of just dismissed this as stupid bullshit in the past. But Alex said that he had the ads that the Democrats used to recruit these actors. So I thought I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't at least review his evidence. And man am I glad I did. Back in August 2017, Alex began reporting on the actors being used in Charlottesville that whole narrative with all the same specifics he uses here on his July 17th, 2019 episode

down to the $25 an hour figure. His reporting was based on a post on zero hedge. And well, there's a couple problems that jump out immediately. The first is this is based on a Craigslist ad they found. Anyone who's ever tried to find just about anything on Craigslist from a job to an apartment knows that it's painfully easy for people to make fake ads on there. How would you do that, Dan? Back when I first moved to the city and I was looking for work, I sent out hundreds

of emails to Craigslist postings. And looking back, I'm not sure any of them were real. If you're going to make the Nazis are actors argument, I'm going to need stronger evidence than a Craigslist ad that didn't even say we're looking for people to play Nazis. Nope. Every Craigslist ad is verified. Obviously, when he saw this ad, he traced it back to the Democratic Party using skills. Now the bigger problem can be found in this sentence that is reposted on Infowars, Alex's

own website. They copied and pasted this from the zero hedge post. They still don't know how to take a screenshot, huh? This detail, I have no idea how this slipped past both the crack editorial department at zero hedge and Infowars, but somehow it did. Quote, the ad was posted by a company called Crowds on Demand and offered $25 per hour to actors and photographers to participate in events in the Charlotte, North Carolina area.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that Charlottesville is in the Charlotte area in terms of name similarity. But in terms of geography, they are not close. Do not. Do not. They're about. Do not. They're about 300 miles apart.

How fucking dare you? And according to Google maps, how fucking dare you? That's a four and a half hour drive. You are shitting me in good traffic. You are fucking shitting me. Yeah, I hate everyone. There are at least four act articles about this conspiracy on Infowars website. Most of them are just embedded videos that are gone now since their YouTube channel

is gone. But you can kind of guess that they aren't corrections based on headlines like, quote, breathtaking Democrats accused of hiring actors prior to Charlottesville rally. No one caught that Charlotte and Charlottesville are not the same city because they don't care. They know they're lying to begin with. So it doesn't matter if they're being accurate about their lies. The job is to create a narrative, to create an excuse for the Nazi violence that is deeply traumatized a community.

It's easy to look at a fuck up like this and laugh and say that these guys are so dumb, but it's not being dumb. When you see something like this, a mix up that's so egregious that it defies credulity to imagine that multiple people looked at it and didn't say, hold on, that's a city in a different state. That's a fingerprint of intention. I think that the list of credible reasons why someone might behave this way is a pretty fucking short one too.

Yeah, it's not dumb. It's lazy. It's not even lazy. No, I mean, they could have done a better job at creating this horrifying false narrative. They could have even have just, they could have made their own fucking post and just like scribbled out the date. It doesn't matter. It is lazy on that front.

I suppose that's fair. But what it is more than that is a fingerprint. The fact that someone would accept this level of weak bullshit. Oh, absolutely. In order to perpetuate their idea that these Nazis weren't real Nazis, it means that you're defending Nazis. Right. Absolutely.

That is it. Everybody. And why would you? The Republican Party is defending Nazis. But why would you? Because you like Nazis. Maybe. So in this next clip, Alex gets another guest on the show.

And what do you know? His name has already come up in this episode. Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Garrison is our guest. God damn it. I'm gonna turn the phones up in the third hour and get to so much of this other incredible news that I haven't even mentioned yet. Would you believe that there's news that Alex hasn't gotten to yet? I mean, he spent an hour on this fucking dumbass Candace Owens video from almost a year ago,

somehow didn't manage to cover news. I'm confused. Is he still doing, is he still insisting that he talks about news ever? Oh, I mean, he pretends he does. He pretends. Yeah. So he's still saying it. He could just not, right?

To be fair. People are still listening. The new video that he's lying about is recent. Okay. He's just lying about it. Okay. All right. All right.

It's kind of news. So Ben Garrison and him have a conversation about Trump's free speech meme summit and how both of them weren't invited. That's fun. But except Ben Garrison did get invited. He announced that he was invited and then got disinvited. And yet Lord Donkton still got to go? Carpe Donkton.

Whatever. Zee's the Donk. Yeah. I don't know if this is true or just some fucking attention grabbing shit, but there was an article that I scrolled past on info wars about Carpe Donkton announcing his retirement from me. I was like, God, dude, this is hilarious. You know what?

I didn't know that I needed that announcement in my life, but now that I got it, it might be an attention thing. It might be fake. It might whatever, but retiring from me. It's one of the great things about not caring about like these specific tentacles of Alex's world is like, you could just scroll past that headline and be like, well, we're going to miss him. Yeah.

We're going to retire that Jersey, the Carpe Donkton Jersey hang out from the rafters. So I don't give a fuck about Ben Garrison. I don't really care about his perspective on stuff. Anything? Not really. I don't even care about his perspective on art and he's an artist, ostensibly. But in this interview, he says a couple of things that I think are really interesting. And in this first one, I think he accidentally makes a case for impeaching Trump.

And I still went to Washington, D.C. It was too late to cancel the tickets. I said, heck with it, I'll go. And one of the invitees was kind enough to invite me to the after party at the Trump International Hotel where I stay and it was a really nice experience. So let me tell you, Alex, about, I mean, I saw, I saw your guy, Harrison Smith there. So they had the meme summit, the social media summit. People were staying at Trump's hotel when they came in and they had their official after party at Trump's hotel.

I mean, I think this is a pretty clear cut case of some emoluments clause. How is that? How are those lawsuits not gone through? Like that's the thing. So many people are suing Trump for the emoluments clause, which we all know he's breaking and has broken since day one. And yet all of these lawsuits, the judges are tossing them out because people don't have standing though.

It doesn't the whole fucking country have standing. I don't know. I don't. I haven't kept track of a lot of those details. But like, yeah, I just keep hearing instances of people coming on Alex's show and indicating the Trump is profiting from the president always. And I just don't understand how like it can be so casual and not, they don't care. I just, I don't understand.

I mean, I do understand it, but I don't understand it. I don't understand how no court has, has been like, every lawsuit over the emoluments clause has wound up being tossed out because they don't, they were found not to have standing. And even the judges are writing like, well, if we could confirm they had standing, we would allow these to go through because it's obvious that he's fucking breaking the goddamn clause. It's unreal. It's so fucking unreal.

How is it that, what is even the goddamn fucking point of having a goddamn constitution if the people who ostensibly love it so goddamn much, ignore the entirety of it? Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, between that and like all this other, all this other shit we're seeing, it's like, I guess impeachment never was meant to be a thing. Yeah, apparently. I mean, I guess if we're not doing it, unless it's Andrew Johnson, if we're not doing it,

we're not doing it. Yeah, it's never going to happen. And it's never going to happen again. Nope. Why would anybody take the, why would any. Republican. Right. Take seriously the threat up because if a Democrat was doing any of this stuff, they

would. Oh, they would have been impeached immediately. Right. Immediately. In 20 seconds. That's not to say anything other than the Democrat party is weak on this sort of thing. And the Republicans smell blood and attack. Yeah.

I don't know, man. I don't know. So the other thing that they do, Ben and Alex, they get into the, the 20, uh, uh, 2020 Democratic field. Oh, I'm sure they have great analysis coming up here. Man. I, I, Bernie's a poop head, Elizabeth Warren smells bad. I've had a certain feeling for a long time about what's going to happen as the primary

season heats up, but I've kind of felt like it would be a little bit speculative of me to say, uh, but thankfully Alex and, uh, Ben Garrison opened that box for me on this clip. Biden is shooting his mouth off saying, man, I may drop out. It doesn't mean he is, but he was saying this in front of people and saying, why am I here? Why am I doing this? Well, days after I learned he's doing that, he starts saying it on the podium to his crew.

Like, why am I here? Why am I doing this? Because he's going in and out of gear. You know, we've all had family that gets older, gets Alzheimer's. And, you know, when they first start getting it, they're there totally. Remember? And then for like a few hours, they don't know, you know, they're kind of, and I see that with Biden.

So I agree with you with this super weak field out there and any real contenders holding back. Why do you think it is? Because Hillary's in the wings. Bringing her back. That's my suspicion. And I'm not alone in that suspicion. And really, we're doing it.

I kind of have like this, you know, guilty pleasure of hoping she does because I love to draw her. So it would be really fun to have a Hillary too. And I had to go through the, you know, because I like to curvature her and I think she epitomizes the globalist mindset of evil. And I think that's what she is. She's got a pretty black heart. So for a long time, I've had a nagging suspicion that these, like they really want Hillary

to come. Oh, they want to run against Hillary. They had such a fun time. So many of them made their careers off the 2016 election season. So many of these right wing fucks and, you know, they made names for themselves. They created cottage industries. And now it's kind of petering out a little bit. And I don't, I think that they just desperately wish that Hillary was there because like

it galvanized people, their hatred of her. It really turned things. It made them. And I don't think that they have faith that they're going to be able, like let's say Biden or Bernie runs or Elizabeth Warren, like I don't, I don't think that they feel as confident that they'll be able to have the same boost to their market. And I think that, I think they're just so desperately wishing like Hillary come back. And it's the same thing they project on people on the left.

I don't think a lot of people on the left are like, you know, it'd be great if Hillary won her. Oh no, we want her gone. Get her go. Well, a lot of people do. They have more sympathetic approaches to her, but I don't think even they are like, we need to get her back again to run. And I don't think Hillary wants to run.

I don't think anybody wants that except Alex and his people. Well, the, the emotions around, around Hillary were so high that they got to, they got to ride that and all those people, you're not going to find the same vehement lock her up chance for Bernie Sanders. No, and it's just not going to be there. Well, there'll be something else, but, but he doesn't have the same 40 years of being Hillary. Yeah.

Socialist and shit. That's fine. Right. But like, here's the other thing though is that like Alex has in attacking Hillary made so many ambivalent to positive comments about Bernie Sanders. Like he's like Bernie had the primary stolen from him and like, you know, he in the past has talked about how Bernie has worked with the Rand Paul's of the world to audit the Fed and shit.

Yeah. You know, and to, he's, Alex has complimented him being against war. Like there isn't the same history that Alex has with the Clintons that he can throw on on Bernie. I think he's worried about it because all he's got is that dumbass impression. Yep. Yeah. And that's not going to, that's not going to sustain an election season.

It is, it is kind of different to go up against a guy with pretty much a 40 year track record of saying the exact same thing. Having any kind of ideological consistency, you're going to, you're going to, that's going to be a struggle for him because he doesn't run into a bit of trouble. Yeah. And they fucking want Hillary back so bad. They need their punching bags. So easy.

They loved it. They all had a great time. It's like they want to go back to summer camp. They're not good at effort in the same way that they pretend that America's attention span has been shortened to goldfish levels. They understand that Trump has made this easy for them and a real challenge to Trump isn't going to be easy for them. No.

They're going to have to work on whether or not Charlottesville is Charlotte if they have to. Right. I mean, even like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talking about the conditions in these border facilities, like the best Alex has got is a year old video of Candace Owens and then lying about an AP video, combining the two. That's not putting in a lot of work. You could have done that much better, but you just can't.

He's accustomed to a pretty simple deflectionary thing and like it's not the world of this coming election season they don't think is going to be as easy for him and especially with his diminished access to the social media, it's going to be much tougher for him to command attention and deflect and I think he just wants his candidate back. Yeah, really. Isn't it? Yeah. Isn't it true?

Yeah. God, can you imagine how loud the scream from the left would be if Hillary showed up and was like, I'm running for president. You could hear it from across the country. No! The only people who would be happy is- I was the right wing. Yeah.

Super interesting about this too is like when Roger Stone was on, he was saying that out of nowhere, Michelle Obama is going to come out. It's because these people want to replay the hits. They don't want an unfamiliar news cycle to be what 2020 is about. They don't want to have to build up a new villain because that's hard. That's a lot of work. You've got to convince people to hate people. You have to create some sort of a larger conspiracy about folks.

That's probably one of the only reasons that Alex hopes that Biden runs because he can associate- Yeah, you can throw Obama on there. That's easy for everybody. The right wing would love Joe Biden to write against him. Or at least these propagandists. Yeah. But what they'd like even more is Michelle Obama or Hillary coming back because they've

got that already. They've done that work. They have the muscle memory. They have the stories already built. Yeah. It's pretty simple. I don't know. I think they desperately want Hillary back, but I think their behavior shows that.

Of course. They aren't going to get what they want. I think they recognize it's a tough road ahead. In this next clip, Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough uncovered footage of Jeffrey Epstein at Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club and Alex needs to push back against this. What he does is what he's done since Epstein has come back into the news, which is he doesn't really know Trump. Trump hates him.

He loves the Clintons. He hangs out with the Clintons. It's no big deal. And so with this clip, he's like, yeah, I mean, of course, he's welcoming people to his club. And I can, sure, this is 30 years ago. No big deal, but ever. I don't really care.

And the Galaxy should be weak on this subject and I don't really want to even dignify it. But in talking about it, Alex starts talking about how Joe Scarborough had that intern who was found dead in his office and it's, it's, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fucked up. He's embellishing that story quite a bit. And I don't, I don't want to get into that either. But quick, quick warning, this next clip is disturbing to a very serious level. Alex starts speculating about Mika and Joe's sex life in the middle of trying to deflect from the Epstein clip that they aired.

And man, this is so fucked up. She likes her daddy. Her daddy was a killer. I wonder what they talk about when he's probably got like a tourniquet around her neck. I wonder if he simulates bashing her brains out like daddy would do. Wonder what daddy did to Mika. So she's married to a dude found with a dead body in his office, but he got covered up and now he's been a good servant.

Psycho Joe. Oh, but now, oh, 28 years ago, Trump was at a ballroom and we've got 10 seconds of tape. Here, let's roll the evil. Here it is. I can't imagine what level of fucked up you have to be to think that that's an appropriate thing to put like to speculate about on your show. I understand that he, you know, sees Mika and Joe as targets and they're fucking with Trump with this Epstein footage.

So I've got to defend him, but like speculating about their sex life in that violent way. And then also speculating that Mika was molested by her father is so inappropriate. It's like that's the sort of thing that if anybody cared. If there were any bosses, this would get you fucking fired so fast. I can't Alex can only exist in this territory where no one can stop him from doing stuff because he does stuff like this on the regular that's that is truly disgusting that in private, I would be disgusted to find out somebody was thinking and decided to tell me, let alone to go on a syndicated radio show, right?

It's so just like, it's so repulsive, the sort of behavior. And it's what you see. This is how he interacts with anybody who he thinks is a threat to him and Trump. Like he allows whatever wild speculation to fly and it's orders on, I mean, because he's couching it in that stupid, like I wonder if kind of way, it's probably not legally actionable, but like this is this is the sort of thing that people shouldn't have to put up with this. This sort of abuses, like it's wildly inappropriate.

And Alex, Alex can say like, I'm joking, I'm just like, I just embellished him. I'm out there. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm this guy who's a wild character. Like your character sucks. That's that's your character hurts people. That's fucked up. Anyway, I was about to rule after that, I was about to turn off the episode. I was very close to saying fuck it.

Yeah. I'm about to turn off the but I didn't. I kept on listening and Norm Patis comes on. No Barnes. No Barnes. Weird. Oh man. Two-day stretch.

No Barnes. Two-day stretch. No Barnes, huh? Yeah. That's a record. But Norm comes on and it's just like defending Alex about his case in Sandy Hook. I don't really care. Whatever.

Norm seems like more of a shithead than he did last time. Oh, I think it's just because last time it was sitting next to Alex drunkenly losing it. Right. So he looked very sane in comparison. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. I think he is probably much more of a shithead than he was in that situation. Hmm. Anyway, whatever. Who cares? His appearance sucks. We have one last clip and this is how Alex ends the show.

It is the final day. I said yesterday was but I've been too busy to do new specials, the 1776 special has to end today. 1776 on the apparel, 75 to 25% off-store wide. Fourth of July sale. Still course. Of course. One more day.

One more day. Of course. Fourth of July sale. The fourth of July sale to celebrate the fourth of July sale specifically for one day has been going on for three weeks. Insane. How's the Easter sale going still? It's about to start.

It's about to start. Okay. Starts in August. Christmas starts sooner every year too. Yeah. There's a war on it. There's always a war on it. I mean, so we get to the end of this episode and like I just, you know, it's one of those

things that is always very difficult about the present day stuff is that like as we go along and the more shit gets real fucked up, the more you have to recognize that what we're looking at isn't a fun show. It's not like Alex misrepresenting the news in an interesting way that leads you to figure out something about his anti-communist sources or like it's not really interesting in an intellectual level, what you're seeing is outright fascist propaganda show. Yep. Like this is the transitions happen and every couple of days or so maybe there's something

that's the anomaly now that is interesting like his 5G everyone go to West Virginia narrative like you get that every now and again, but it's the exception to the rule as opposed to what the show mostly is. It's mostly this. It's mostly nativist, white nationalist agitation. It's mostly misrepresenting news stories specifically to further that goal and it needs to be taken seriously and I want to apologize if anybody felt that a comparison with Terration Stodd is inappropriate.

I understand why someone may I want to call myself out as being like, I recognize and I don't want to minimize anybody's experiences in the Holocaust at all. But specifically looking at the techniques that are being used in terms of propaganda are important and they have historical parallels. And I think we would be not paying attention to the real danger that's presented by people like Alex using these techniques if we didn't call it out. The entire point of the comparison is to keep things like that from happening again. So if you see something like that happening and the connection is not tenuous, it is there.

The parallel is there. So that is why it is so important to limit the use of that comparison while at the same time to point it out whenever it is germane. Whenever it is there because that comparison is something that we should all be very aware of right now. And when people use it, use those techniques, let's say, they're doing it for a reason. Like when Alex talks about immigrants bringing disease and stuff, that is reminiscent of Nazi propaganda.

That is a piece of it. One of the ways that they demonized the populations that they sought to demonize. They did that for a reason. And Alex is doing it for a reason too. And I refuse to take this lightly, which is why a lot of this is a lot more difficult. And so as we see this sort of rhetoric being on display, on full display, and then simultaneously we see the guy that Alex idolizes, hosting rallies that go the way they do. I just think you got to be worried.

So anyway, we'll be back. We will. I hope on Monday. I think you are moving on Monday. I'm moving on Monday, apparently. That is an albin schedule. Yes, so Monday I'm going to move, but there's still a decent chance we'll have time to record an episode before that.

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