Knowledge Fight - #328: March 11-12, 2013

Episode Date: August 5, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their investigation of the Alex Jones Show back in 2013. In this installment, Alex returns from vacation and hits the ground running with stories of causing a "police revolt" at SXSW, grotesque fantasies of beating up Kim Jong Un, and much more.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan, everybody is clamoring for Plant Watch 2019. How are we doing? I don't know, man. It's good. We got some flowers popping up on some of these Serrano and Thai chili plants. Yeah. Not particularly that one you're staring at there, but this one's got some flowers on it. I have some on my kitchen windowsill. Oh, yeah, I see some there. Those have some flowers, but no fruits yet.

No, but all the everything's coming along nice. Nicely. There's no real updates to make. I think you're asking me about the plants a little too often. A little too often. What was the last time I asked you about the plants on the show? It was in this apartment. It was not. It was. Oh, yeah. It was. So how many? That's at least two weeks. A week and a half. Twice and a week and a half. It might be excessive. I don't know how fast plants grow, Jordan. I love my plants. So stupid. I love my plants as much as the next guy, but unless the next guy is you, you apparently are more into them than me. I want to know. I'm getting excited to actually probably, I don't know when I'm going to have the time because we're

in a little bit of a, you know, a crunch time right now with the show and stuff. But as soon as I have a little bit of extra free time, I'm going to head back down to that home depot. I'm going to get a bunch more seeds, but probably non vegetable plants. I think I'm going to try and grow a tree. You're going to try and grow a bunch. Yeah. Okay. Little bonsai tree. Is that what you're going to go for? I'm going to go full on oak. I'm just going to buy a little, a little seed there. Yeah. I mean, since these are going pretty well, I'm thinking about expanding out, uh, you know, what, what is possible? I know I've talked about growing some wild grasses. Yeah. That might not be possible in a one bedroom apartment. It might be tough to try and create a

little amaranth. Yeah. That might be tough, but I am going to explore some new things. I'm excited about that. So that's what, uh, 2020 will bring for plants. I suppose I'm just interested to know when they're done. Do you know what I mean? Never, never done. What is that? What? Yeah. When do you pluck a pepper from your, when it's ripe? Well, what does that mean? You can tell the signs because they change color. Oh, they do change. Yeah. A lot of the time they'll come in as like, uh, like these tie ones will be green and they'll turn red. Okay. Okay. Now, now I'm, now I'm understanding. Yeah. It's not always that way, but you know, you just read a little bit. Well, I'm not the one growing the plants. That's true. I know enough about plants to get by. Okay.

Certainly more than you. And I know a lot about Alex Jones and that's what this podcast is about. Exactly. So Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is we're going back to 2013 to cover March 11th and 12th of 2013. Sounds good. And part of the reason for that is that we record on Sundays, usually, um, earlier in the day to noon-ish early, you know, and so right now the situation that we have in front of us is it was a terrible weekend. Um, a lot of, a lot of bad stuff happening in the world, be it the El Paso shooting or the shooting in Dayton. Um, and I know a lot of people want to know what Alex's take on it is. And so for our Monday episode, there might be an expectation that people have of like, Oh, they're going to cover this. Right. Like we're going to react

instantly to, right? Yeah. And I do not feel the need or, or think it's wise for us necessarily to knee jerk, uh, and assume what Alex's narrative is going to be, although it will be that the globalists are behind this. Yes, of course. Um, and I, I, as we're recording this here on Sunday in the middle of the day, Alex hasn't done his Sunday show yet. So there isn't really, because of our schedule, there's not really a lot of content for us to cover. So it'd be kind of premature for us to try and do that for Monday. It would be almost impossible for us to do that. So we will cover that on Wednesday. We'll cover present day stuff on Wednesday. So, uh, that will be then. Yeah. Look forward to that. Alex did put out a 16 minute video on his website on Saturday

defending state sponsored terrorism. It's waffley. Yeah. It's a, it's very much like allegedly this guy did this. And then he gets really defensive about using allegedly. He's like, it hasn't been to court. You know, we are supposed to say allegedly it sounds different coming from you. You asshole. Yeah. Yeah. And that's fair point to him. You know, you are the ledge tutor. You know, that's, that's the proper language for journalists, of course, which he is not. It does sound different coming from him. I listened to that and I didn't think that there was really enough to give anything worthwhile in terms of analysis. His narrative hasn't formed yet. And we'll know, um, like, I don't know if his Sunday show will even really be all that concrete.

Maybe it will be, but, uh, his Monday Tuesday shows will definitely where he starts with the pieces together, especially because when he recorded that Saturday shows before the shooting in Dayton, so he didn't even have that, uh, to weave into whatever he's going to bring to the table. I just think we can do a much better job if we do that Wednesday. So I apologize if anybody who was hoping that we would do it today. Sorry. It happens. Wait two days. Yeah. We're not a new show. No, no. And we can't be held to that kind of time demand. Yeah. Otherwise we just do a shitty show. Yeah. Um, so, uh, before we get into today's episode again, 2013, March 11th and 12th, we, uh, I need to take a little moment here, Jordan, to say thank you to some people who have signed up

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appreciate it. So last we left off in 2013, Jordan, Alex was on a large vacation. He had been gone for over a week. And so we took the opportunity to delve into David J. Smith, a Christian identity preacher that Alex has been listening to for years. Yep. And so now we jump back to when Alex gets back from vacation March 11. He's in studio and he is rusty. I thought he would be coming back with some hot fire. No, I think he's excited. Okay, he's eager for the fray. But he is not good at this. Okay. Let me just try to do this. You know, I've tried this a million times, filled every time. Let's be serious. I've tried a thousand plus times and failed every time. I'm going to try to just read to you headlines, maybe just 50 of them or so, instead of the 300 plus I've got here,

because that's I've been really psychoanalyzing myself. Have you at night in the morning, when I get to work, I'll just pour over hundreds of articles and almost get into a fractured mindset where I've got so many things in my mind, it's hard to focus in on one big subject and really cover that topic in detail. And that's a good thing at certain levels, because it shows how things are interconnected. But then when you don't get to even 10% of what you want to cover, it's a real frustration. You know why he had a pause there? Because he was about to say it's a beautiful mind kind of thing. And he didn't want to imply what that implies. Yeah. What he's describing is like he sits around and reads headlines and makes

tenuous connections between things. And then when he gets on air, he knows like, Oh, this is going to sound stupid. Yeah. Yeah. At best, that's what he's saying. You shouldn't admit that you're pouring over headlines and not anything else. Shouldn't you be like, I read a bunch of articles. I think he uses headlines hoping that it's a stand-in for content. But it's not. So this characterizes the beginning of the show. Like he's like, I'm all over the place. What do I cover? I am out of my mind. Yeah. So here we go. We get to what his headline leading story is. And it's actually really interesting because there's a really good story he could tell here, but instead he tells the wrong story. Okay, it's great to be officially

back. I mean, I was back yesterday for the Sunday show, but here we are on the big weekday show. Let me just try to go over the stacks. How's that sound? Let me just start not because I'm trying to figure out what the top story is to me. I don't just go with whatever the national news top story is. Take that national news. I go with what I believe the top story is. Of course, you can tell what you think is most important. A lot of times callers call in or we get emails or see comments saying, Hey, why didn't you cover this? And that becomes our top story because I agree with you. I think it's important. The DOT is on the road. Homeless Houston veterans sited for dumpster diving and search for food. That's news 92 FM. They have a copy of the ticket

and they've banned feeding the homeless in Houston. So they just say, what do they do? Die? And what a sign of an amazing tyranny. Such an amazing tyranny. You really tell that Alex is kind of rusty here because he's back from vacation and, you know, his mind is still in Barton Springs or wherever he went. He's spinning his wheels knowing that he has a big pile of paper in front of him, but he doesn't have any narratives that have any momentum carrying over from the previous day. Like generally speaking, when his show has like, you have these narratives that you built yesterday that you build upon or you pivot from, you know, that's sort of the routine in his show. But when you come from a clean break, you know, that week plus break has hit the skids for any

narratives that he was spinning before. His big gigantic investigative report that he was teasing hasn't materialized and he's just completely forgotten about it. Not a surprise. The PR blitz from fighting Piers Morgan and having Michael Savage on the show has died down because of that week plus he was gone. He's got to get going from a complete standstill and this is how that looks. I'll say that he makes a fair point that he doesn't just take his news as talking points with the mainstream media. That is fair. Though it's laughable for him to say that he just covers what he thinks is important. Multiple times we've heard him literally say on the show that he's just reading headlines from Drudge. Yep. He gets his talking points from Drudge. Pretty much. In an

instance that is all too rare, I find myself superficially agreeing almost completely with Alex. It's ridiculous that this homeless man in Houston got a ticket for scavenging for food in a trash can. That is terrible. However, when we start to examine what we think is bad about the situation. That's when we disagree with Alex. Exactly. Right, right, right. His take on it is that this is government tyranny on display. My take on it is that when humans are eating out of trash cans, we have a problem whether they get a ticket for it or not. Yeah. Alex doesn't have any solutions outside of just saying that churches and charities should voluntarily solve the problem as if those groups already aren't already making large contributions to housing and feeding those

experiencing homelessness. He refuses to accept that there's a better solution because the actual solution is completely against his political beliefs. And Houston is actually a perfect example of that. In 2011, Houston reached its peak in terms of the homeless population at 8,538. And punitive rules about sleeping in public and scavenging for food were not having the desired effect. What? Ultimately, those rules just criminalize being homeless. So you end up incarcerating homeless people, which costs the taxpayers more, or giving them tickets they can't pay, which can ultimately lead to their incarceration, or driving them off to some other city where they can become someone else's problem. None of the possible outcomes of that strategy

offers a actual solution. And Houston learned that lesson. In 2010, the Department of Housing and Urban Development had chosen Houston as a priority city based on its high rate of people living without homes. They took the time to analyze the issues, set up some infrastructure, then in 2011, they began implementing. And their plans have paid off massively. In 2019, the rate of homelessness has dropped in Houston by 54%. And a lot of that is directly attributable to federal assistance, and most importantly, a coordinated approach. Since 2012, Houston has housed approximately 17,000 people. Mike Nichols, interim CEO of the Coalition of the Homeless in Houston and Harris County, told the Texas Tribune, quote, if you have a homeless person and you put

them in a permanent supportive housing and simultaneously give them social, behavioral, and health support services, 92% of them will be stable in that facility. Houston represents a model people interested in homelessness and housing issues could learn a lot from and many of them have. But learning anything from it requires you to let go of your insistence that the federal government shouldn't do anything. If you're supposedly anti homelessness and anti government doing anything, and you learn that federal coordination and aid has been shown to be incredibly effective in addressing the problem of homelessness, you have to either drop your anti government position or accept that you really don't have

that big of a problem not having anywhere to live. I suspect that this is the case for Alex. This isn't a story he's covering because he cares about this man in Houston. He just sees it as an opportunity to use this man's misfortune to attack the government, which I think is very shitty. Also, the charges were dropped against the man in Houston, and his case actually led to a larger conversation in Houston, where Mayor Ines Parker helped usher through repeals of laws that criminalize behaviors like digging in the trash that were kind of archaic holdovers to begin with. So what you have here is a really interesting case study that Alex is not interested in at all. A very successful strategy that has been used to effectively

help people get back on their feet in many ways. Yeah, I mean, you go back to now it's just becoming so obvious, but it does seem like the cruelty is the point. Forcing people, you know, the rich always think that they can starve the poor into doing what they want until the right behavior. Yeah, exactly. And it's just so fucking stupid and cruel. Yeah. And it's interesting because I don't think that's what's motivating Alex here at all. I think he doesn't care about a compassionate, holistic approach to the problem. But I don't think that's based in cruelty in 2013. I think it's based in his desire to demonize the government. Like that's his priority. Now today, maybe he would be like fuck this. Yeah, yeah, fuck this dude digging in the trash. He should be hurting.

Right. Right. Maybe, especially if it was an immigrant. But it's interesting to see that, you know, like the cruelty doesn't pervade nearly as much. Right. No, he does seem to have at least some kind of like a basic human empathy there of like, come on, man, really, this guy is diving in a dumpster for food because he's starving and you guys are going to charge him 300 bucks. It's kind of an elementary level of it. And I'm sure he never got back on air and gave like a clarification that the ticket was dropped. Right. I'm sure he doesn't. But like, yeah, it is still coming from a place that's close to where you'd want it to be. Yeah. Yeah. At least it's, again, surface level on the right side. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Of course. So anyway, yeah. And you just

cannot explain to the people like you cannot explain to them that it's cheaper to just house homeless people cheaper and better and better. Yeah. They have to have this like, well, it's unfair because I pulled myself up from my bootstraps or whatever the fuck they want to do. Yeah. But it's it's just fuck Reagan. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck Reagan. Get him. Yeah. So I have two clips coming up here from this March 11th episode that are like the content of it does not matter. Don't worry about the content. Okay. Stupid. I don't know how often I am worried about the content of things. That's fair. These are not these are not consequential stories. Okay. Anyway, the way Alex is covering them is stupid. But they illustrate something about his style of

broadcast that I've always wanted to kind of illustrate. But I haven't really found really good example clips that are just like this is a boil down of him. Here is Alex reading a headline and then patting himself on the back thinking he's covered a story. This is a 20 second clip. Okay. There's another article second drone spotted over New York speaking in New York UAV reported within three miles of LaGuardia Airport. They're they've already had him crash. We've already had him almost run into airplanes over Denver. That's top drugs link left hand side drugs report dot com right now. So we're not covered three articles now. Let's continue to try to get into more. So that is covering an article. He just basically read a headline and then sort of

speculated about other things. Yeah. Well, you know, they've also had drones crash. All right. All right. And he's just reading from Drudge. Right. So we're doing just we're doing a lightning round of headlines and he's like, Oh, gotcha. But like it's a game show. Yeah. Jesus. What an idiot. Clock I covered. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're playing. We're playing speed chess. That's sad. It's pathetic. Yeah. It really is pathetic. Like without any like he doesn't read the first line of at least the first line of the paragraph to pretend or any analysis. What's the context of the story? What's behind it? Why is this interesting? Nothing. Just I covered it. Got it. Three down next. Good job, Alex. Next one. No whammies. Boom. Alex, you still got it. So this

next clip he's talking about the immortal cell lines that researchers have. It's very complicated and I don't want to get into it's not important. Fair. I believe we talked about it in the past episode and Alex his take on it is very stupid. But this is another thing I wanted to demonstrate, which is we talk a lot about how Alex cannot stop citing movies. But what's interesting is he's also often defensive that people think that he gets all of his ideas from movies. Right. So this of course he is because he does. So this clip is really fascinating because he starts off by being like talking about this immortal cell line, this Lazarus cell. Yeah. And then he's like, I know y'all are going to think that I got this from I am legend. And then watch where this clip

goes. Okay. You're going to think that the movie that came out a few years ago, I am legend. You're going to think, wait, you got this from I am legend. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Okay. 20 years ago, they put out more than 20 years ago, they put out white papers that are public and I'm going to go over some of them. He doesn't where they knew that the key to immortality in their belief, this is the establishment. If you control trillions, you're worth billions. You've had every sex. You can imagine you've got everything you own mountain tops, jet copters. What do you want? What's the one thing you want? Human or life? Oh, what is Roy Batty tell the head of the Tyrell corporation? I want more life. That was an expletive. Oh, the facts of life. Alex, that was a movie.

That's Blade Runner. That's Wow. Wow. I'm not talking about I'm not talking about I am legend. I'm talking about Blade Runner. It would only be better if he was like, I'm talking about the Omega Man starring Vincent Price, you idiots. Will Smith sucks. Well, it also makes me question, like, you know, what did Blade Runner come out 20 years before this? Like, he's talking about the globalists put out white papers 20 years before. Yeah. Is he talking about Blade Runner? That was what? That was the mid 80s, right? I think so. Yeah. Jesus. I don't know. Oh, man. Too hard to say. But I just I need to crystallize that thought process where he's defensive about people thinking he's taking things from movies. What are the globalists want?

They want more life. And I'm going to cite a different movie. Yep. He can't get away from you. Gotcha. I guess to be fair, he's not getting it from my own life. This is insanity. So when Alex has come back from vacation, right? He's been out of studio, but he got back on Sunday. And I listened to that episode. And we don't have any clips of it because it was generally just incredibly boring. Yeah. And a lot of it has to do with him getting into a little bit of a fight with some cops at South by Southwest. Sure. Sure. Of course. But it none of it seemed real. So I don't really I don't want to take too much time on it. But so to suffice, he he went down South by Southwest. And he was trying to hand out copies of his Info Wars magazine. If you believe his

version of the story, the out of control Gestapo police tried to stop him and told him that he can't have bumper stickers on his car, which is clear evidence that we live in an out and out police state. Sounds right. Alex refused to accept this tyranny and the police backed down because they were afraid of him. Sure. With some of them even giving Alex a thumbs up for his heroism. Gotcha. That sounds true. Most likely what actually happened is that the police told him that his car was clearly a commercial vehicle and that he was promoting his business by handing out his product and that was prohibited in the area that he was in without a permit. It'd be no different if he was a food vendor parked somewhere without proper permitting and giving out free samples. His van

didn't have to have didn't just have a bumper sticker, probably had a bunch, maybe even a side decal. And they're probably handing magazines out from the back of the van. It's not like they could just be walking around carrying tons of magazines. It's a fucking heavy. Yeah. So I don't I don't see I don't see the reality of the version he's telling. But he claims that he got into it with these guys were trying to give him a ticket and he got back down. Anyway, on this episode, Alex embellishes the story even further to the point where now he's arguing that his actions caused a revolt within the police department. Okay, of dudes who just refused to oppress his free speech, the entire police department. Absolutely. There's police revolt. Was it was

it a coup? Did the police chief get overthrown? I think it might count as a mini coup. A mini coup. Yeah. And then they were banning our free speech in Austin or trying to order the police to do it. We learned there was a police revolt. I didn't hear this from the police. I learned it from CB owner. All the cops were smiling at me when I showed up to demonstrate against the South by Southwest. And then I later talked to CBS and they had all the big sheets from the interview. I don't think it even aired though, where they talked to the cops and the cops said, well, we made the determination that the ordinance does not say that they can't hand stuff out. Now, a big fracas, though, because they have the city of Austin come down

with code enforcement and try to order the police to give people tickets. They did give warnings and then say, you know, we're not even doing that. Now, by the time I got back to Austin, I drove back a day early because of this. I didn't know all this. And I showed up. About a hundred people showed up real quick just off at internet announcement, you know, for an impromptu flash demonstration. And News 8 Austin was out there. A bunch of others were out there. It may have aired. I don't really watch television. So I don't know. I haven't looked it up, but I haven't heard about it. So maybe did News 8 Austin or CBS cover it? Let's check that. Now we can type out of show and stop by Southwest. It'll pop up.

Yeah, production readings would help this show. You could do this off air. So Alex didn't check the news to see if they covered his noble victory over censorship and tyranny. So he has an employee look it up and it turns out that they did end up covering the South by Southwest pamphlet issues that given out pamphlets of people getting tickets for it. Pamphlet gate. But there's a slight twist when they actually find the story. Oh, it was picked up by K.I. Pamphlet ordinance not enforced during South by Southwest. And so they did cover it. Strangely enough, we're not even in this report. Okay, wait a minute. It's a side issue for national listeners.

Yeah, it certainly is. It's a real issue for you. Yeah, but you didn't make it into the news. So this is a story about a singer songwriter who was giving out flyers for a show in the area that South by Southwest had like permits for. Yeah. So the festival like doesn't allow people to give out flyers. Yeah, they don't like that. And the police came and we're going to give them a ticket and then they decided not to. That's what the story was that was covered in the CBS article. That was it. That's an exciting story. Zero mention of Alex, which you would think would be in the news. If he led a police revolt, hell yeah. He sparked a police revolt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So that's kind of a problem. That is a little, it's a little bit of a dick move to,

like that'd be like if I was running a comedy show and somebody came and stood outside and gave out flyers for a comedy show across the street. It is a bit of a dick move, but at the same time, there's so many problems with the way South by Southwest is like run their sort of talent relations. There's all kinds of stories you can find about them blacklisting people for performing in venues in the city during the festival that aren't approved. And you know, there's all kinds. I don't, I don't know if I 100% sign off on, on anything they do. No, I mean, Lollapalooza does the same thing. There's so many bands that just do not play in Chicago unless they're at Lollapalooza because if they do, Lollapalooza will just, nope, you're not allowed. And I don't think that that's

healthy for the greater artistic community. And so I am against that, but I am for people telling Alex to hit the brick, take those magazines elsewhere asshole. And I am against police revolts if they are on Alex's side. Yeah, generally. I think that's probably a good decision. So another thing that's happened probably while Alex was on vacation, maybe right around this time is that Dennis Rodman has gone over to North Korea. This was then. Oh my God, we live in a stupid world even then. Yep. So Alex is pretty mad about this. And one of the things that I wanted to highlight, particularly in this episode is Alex, this is 2013. Yeah. A scant few years later, he's going to be thrilled with Trump saying he loves Kim Jong-un. Oh yeah, opening up relations.

Yeah. I just think that it's really interesting to see how much Alex hated Kim Jong-un in 2013. Yeah. So here is Alex talking a little bit about his feelings towards the North Korean dictator. They say Kim Jong-un is just obsessed with Hollywood. And that's all he does is read Hollywood magazines and watch TV all day. I mean, what an obscenity. I mean, I would just love, love to get in a room with that guy. I mean, I would just love it. Wouldn't you love, because I'm not somebody that dreams about beating the hell out of people, but I would love. Just just let me punch him two or three times. I guarantee you, and I'm not going to fantasize here on it. Can you imagine an uppercut to that nose full power? I mean, just give it absolute,

you know, caveman swing. The nose would completely be off the nose. What are we doing here? Big gaping black hole of blood. What are we doing? And then right into those teeth. Stop it. And then just slam that head on the ground. You're supposed to get it dealt. Imagine that bouncing like a basketball. I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, I got to admit, I mean, I look at that tyrant and I have fantasies. You know, all the people they string up and torture and all the kids and women, because reportedly they're into women. That's what him and his daddy reportedly into torturing them to death. You should stop escalating. This doesn't seem like a person who you're

going to find a taunt with. No, this doesn't seem this seems like somebody that you want. You're graphically fantasizing about killing with your fists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And someone who, you know, whether or not they soften their present behavior have behaved in such a way in the past that you cannot accept them as someone who you can have relations with. Yep. But four years later, if your guy loves him, then I love him too. Right. So fucking stupid. Right. I hate people so much. And that's not to say that Alex loves Kim Jong-un now. It's just that his position is so different. Like it's it's so different. The the it's not it's crazy. It's insane. Yeah. No, it's what Trump is able to change in him. I mean, it's it's just

what's the point if everything we everything we do it's like with Trump's tweets whenever everybody's like Trump says this and then you can go back and find a tweet from the Obama years where he says that exactly what he's doing is 100% evil. Right. It's just such bullshit. Right. I mean, if like, let's say a politician that we like wins in 2020 and then a year later, all of a sudden they're like, you know what, Alex Jones is pretty fucking awesome. It's not like we're going to then on the podcast be like, guys, Alex is great. Yeah. Yeah. Going to or that might be extreme, but like, you know, they advocate for a position that we're explicitly against. It's not like we're like, well, gotta say we, you know, love it. If Elizabeth Warren

gets elected and then she's like, also we're going to do, you know, we're bringing socialist policies into this government, but we are going to ramp up separating children from their parents at the border. Right. There's no way I'm supporting her. That's it's done. You know, goodbye. Yeah. Alex is not like that. So anyway, he's also mad at Rodman for going over there, which good on him. Fine, I guess. I have an instinct to want to put bad people down. Do you? And I don't do that to sound tough or whatever. I have a problem just being honest, how I feel. And looking at that punches my buttons really, really bad. It punches my buttons really, really bad. And I love the fact Dennis Robin was thrown out of a bar.

I mean, that guy, let me tell you, man, it'd be one thing if he went and was very solemn and it was actually an ambassador, it'd still be a joke and said, what you're doing is wrong and everything. Then I would say, wow, the guy actually did something. Instead he went and groveled and said he was a great guy and all this. Oh, man, guys, him and his family have like 10 million people's blood on their hands. Oh man, this is sad. And I've read about the confirmed reports about how the lower half class are put in pens as animals and their kids are taken and sent to another camp. Oh my God. So there's no family. I can't handle this. And the things they do in the medical experiments and all of it, the dehumanization, I think of the millions and the

fact that when you look at their officers, they all have the same demonic look in their eye of craven death worship. And I just absolutely want to annihilate them, don't you? No, not annihilate. No. It seems like Alex has really embraced that the United States is worse than North Korea right now because he hates the policy of separating children from their families and putting them into a different count. He thinks that's a fucking crime against humanity. Jordan, what you don't understand is that the good people at ICE and Border Patrol don't have the evil demonic look in their eyes. I really have seen them in the videos and they really do have an evil demonic look in their eyes. It's terrifying. It's very subjective as an assessment

of people. Fair. I'm sorry. I apologize. It does seem like evil demonic eyes is probably less important than sharing a meme of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and and their it's it's actually shocking to hear a clip like it. It really is. It's too on the nose. It's parody. Super bizarre. It's parody. Well, yeah, I mean, it's you just couldn't. It would be lazy writing if we if I was going to write a fucking SNL sketch and I wrote this people would be like fuck off. That's so unreal. The backstory of a propagandist defending X yelling about X in the past is just it these sort of examples are legion. The thing that's amazing about it is it's so common. It's Alex's past. It's it's it's literally just indicative of how little he cares. Oh, does not give a fuck.

So he talks a little bit more here about North Korea. You know, they got missiles over there. Yes. And a lot of them keep blowing up on the pad right at this point. And Alex believes X. I should say he knows. Okay, well, it's okay. He knows. Okay, these are not failures to launch. These are not missile problems. Matthew McConaughey is not involved. They are being shot down by lasers. That doesn't sound right either. If this sounds a little project Camelotty to you, it is because this is the same sort of argument I've heard from people on project. Okay, but Alex knows it to be the case. And he has some proof, which leads to a very weird personal story. The point is, is that that's why they now have this and have missiles that keep blowing up the

launch pad. Let me tell you, folks, I've watched how they've blown up. They've clearly got space based and aircraft based lasers that sounds like they can shoot from hundreds of miles away and blow those things up. They are blowing them up. And then that's why the White House came out on Saturday and said, we can shoot down those missiles. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, they had 30 years ago DC 10s with giant chemical lasers, the entire link of the jet aircraft that are like Star Wars. I mean, there we go. Particle being you're going to shoot right through armor. You name it. Very powerful. Regular laser would just bounce off. It's particle being sure a chemical laser with cyclotron in it, a small superconducting supercollider. And then they it's like a rail gun, but it's

small particles and it heats up. Reason I know is of all people, my dad got a no in high school to build a primitive particle beam. They were handing out things like that. Then he was top of his class and he built a small particle laser and was blowing stuff up in the backyard. I can't believe I'm saying this sounds so crazy. It's actually true. And he didn't wear the proper safety glasses. He had welding glasses on wasn't enough. Particles went in and his eyes got burned. He was blind for about three weeks had to wear bandages. They didn't know he'd have his eyesight back in his eyes went from blue to green, but it's really burns. It burned the front of his eye. I think your dad was lying. He has like yellow burns on his eye, but I don't

know why I'm telling that story now. Okay. Anyways, I'm going to do a special on lasers very soon. I'm excited for that special on lasers. I don't know if I don't know if you ever made that special on lasers. I doubt he did. I bet he did. Okay. He's a man of his word. He's going to get to those articles though. I don't know if I believe this story, but what's interesting about it is I don't know who the liar is. His dad or I don't know if his dad told him that story and he's repeating it or his dad said something similar to it. Like as I could believe his dad when he was in high school was into science stuff. He ends up being a dentist. Yeah, that he might have been on some sort of a science path. Yeah, why not? Maybe he did some some like low level experiments with

with not not a fucking laser. Yeah, no, I doubt it. But I could believe he did some science experiments or maybe one of them blew up or something. Yeah, that was that that tracks, but the embellishment Alex, like you know, and we've heard him consistently hero worship and exaggerate his dad's feats. He's the second smartest person in the state of Texas, the global strident list of the CIA dentist, the whole thing. Yeah, so it makes sense that maybe his dad told him some stories of like science experiments that he did when he was younger than Alex has turned this into. He was working on a particle beam and it burned his eyes green. Well, I mean, it also would make sense for the father of somebody or the person who created an Alex Jones to be also a

pathological liar. Yeah, and his son is in the cross in the cross. He's clearly much smarter than Alex though, because he never comes on air. Yeah, that's true. We have very little insight into like what he's actually like or was like, right? Well, it'd be a breach of ethics for the HR director to go on air. He wasn't HR director at this point. I don't think I think that's more I think you still a practicing dentist. Okay. In 2013, I think so. I'm not entirely Alex is a little muddy about the timeline. He claims that he retired because of Obamacare. Sure. I'm not sure that that's the case. Okay, okay. Either way, we got some more about North Korea here. Here we go. Alex has a couple of bold claims about North Korea here. The first one has to do with

food issues. And I've done deep analysis. North Korea is its own loony toon land. And it's not just Intel and years of study. It's I can look at those people they are just in another world driving around in 57 Chevy's and they can't even tie their shoelaces. I mean, they sell this was even in Vanity Fair confirmed the only meat for sale for the small middle class is dead babies. And dead people. And they I mean, that's what they serve as human flesh. I mean, it is just total cocoon land. I don't know if I believe that I'm going to go with a he is saying that the country of North Korea is cannibalist state. They don't know how to tie their shoes and right full of cannibals. They're they're actual cannibals. This is very reminiscent

of sort of old timey views of colonial country. I was about to say this is like are we in the 1600s and somebody is going to Africa and coming back and being like their savages and we need to we have the full dominion to take over. Well, he did say he wants to annihilate them. Yeah, that's true. I think you've used like North Koreans, like, you know, like, let's say some American comes over and they end up in a pot and they're just cutting carrots in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's saying it's a looty tune. That's true. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how much I believe this. So you got this sort of nonsense. And then you got this last clip here where Alex talks about Kim Jong Un. And I would say that this is again reinforcing the idea that no matter what happens,

he can't really rationalize coming to any kind of agreement with him. There's no way for Alex's position in 2013 to ever soften. Whatever demonic angel the Satan has over North Korea is probably Satan himself. Whatever principality the Bible says, you know, has a certain demon over each city, you know, because the devil has his top angels. Whatever one is there, infest the leader, because I'm telling you, his son is now possessed. He has the same demonic look, a jack-o-lantern look that the other leaders have. I'm serious. Look at it. He is possessed. So Kim Jong Un is possessed possibly by Satan himself. Right. Probably, probably by Satan himself. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I don't know about this. Does he? Does he?

Like, he knows that the North Korean people aren't like stoked, right? A lot of them are pretty not cool with this whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. So why, so like, desiring to annihilate North Korea as opposed to- I want to be clear. When he said annihilate them, I think he was mostly talking about the people in charge. Okay. I don't think he was talking about everybody in North Korea. That would be an unfair way for us to characterize his comments. Okay. Then I misinterpreted that. I think it's easy to do because he speaks so brashly and stupidly. Yeah. But I think he was mostly talking about, you know, not just Kim Jong Un, but also the people in the police forces. Yeah. Yeah. So you might have heard a person in the background there sort of chiming in with

a, yeah, that's because he, this was talking to a caller. He's taken some calls here at the end of the show. Most of them are kind of like that. Who gives a shit? Yeah. But he does take one call that really, really troubled me. Now let's go to Zachary in Florida. You're on the air. Go ahead, sir. Welcome. Hi, Alex. How you doing? Pretty good, brother. I'm, I've been listening to your show for about two years and I'm only 14 and I absolutely love, love your work. You do an excellent job. This is when you get this person off the phone. He's 14. He's been listening for two years and loves Alex's work. A 12 year old is not equipped to deal with the sort of, I mean, information warfare. It's called info wars. He's not, he's not, he's not capable of

understanding what Alex is talking about, even from just a surface level. He's not capable of deciphering Alex's lies. He probably doesn't have access to the, like the abilities and the emotional maturity that's required to understand what Alex is talking about. This is really dangerous. Well, we see, I mean, on a daily basis now, we see what happens when you have children exposed to this kind of right wing nationalist propaganda. You know, that's what, what else happens? If a 12 year old told me, or a 14 year old even told me that they liked our show, what I would do is ask to talk to their parents and I would tell them, don't let them listen to our show. Yeah, no kid. Do something to, like if you want to listen to the show when you're older,

great. Love it. We need listeners. Yeah. Hopefully we'll be around in eight years whenever it's appropriate. I would prefer to have less listeners than people who are not able to understand that the subject matter because it's too easy to be such a negative influence of people's lives. Right. Unintentionally, probably, maybe, but still a negative influence. This kid can't integrate this information and it could lead him to making decisions that are dangerous. Absolutely. And not just for us, but for others. So his whole call is about how his YouTube channel is being censored, which is kind of weird considering the kids. Alex complains about a lot and all their right wing is. Oh boy. Yeah. I don't know. His story doesn't make a ton of sense, but something

about like he posted that video of George HW Bush saying New World Order and he got hit with a copyright claim. Yeah, that's not really being censored. But the issue is that Alex doesn't like try to moderate. You know, he doesn't try. When you have a 14 year old who calls in who's gung-ho for what you, you need to talk them down a little bit. Bring them to a rational center as opposed to being like, yeah, you know, they are trying to take out the little guys on YouTube. Don't reinforce and feed into it. That's abusive. Hey, Alex, I am filled to the gills with hormones that I can't control or understand forcing me to make decisions that I'm certainly going to regret later, as do all human beings, especially teenage boys. So please tell me where I should direct all of this

anger towards and make these bad decisions at globalists. Thank you. I will go commit violent X. So we were done with the 11th. Now we get to the 12th and this first clip, I think is clearly indicative of why a 12 year old should not be listening to this show. When I heard this, I was like, uh-oh. Now, you know, Professor Griff is in the Obama deception, one of the more famous individuals in hip hop out there and one of the founders of public enemy. And I know that he's an off and on listener because I've heard shows where he's talked about the broadcast. He's plugged the Obama deception in some of his big concerts because I've seen it in the LA Times. And we're talking to one of his managers, cohorts, friends, and reportedly he's on it noon today, but we

haven't been in contact with him in a few days and they're on tour and there's much stuff going on. So we'll see if that happens in the second hour today. Professor Griff, 90% coming on the show. So Professor Griff may or may not be on the show. Right. I don't want ever for a 12 year old to hear Professor Griff talk. Okay, listen to public enemy's albums. Fine. Don't listen to Professor Griff. Give a lecture. Gotcha. For reasons that we'll get into later. Because spoiler alert, Professor Griff does show up. Okay. But that that's the kind of show that we got here. You know, like Professor Griff is going to get an unquestioning and really, you know, laudatory platinum platform. Alex, like is so into celebrities who are so marginalized that

they're willing to talk to him. Yeah. And so like anybody is like Professor Griff is one of the most important people in hip hop, according to Alex, which is a necessary thing for him to say because he's the person in hip hop who will talk to Alex. Yeah. It's just it's a mess. Such a mess that now now thinking about it in the context of the the very beginning of the show whenever he has that violent fucking fantasy of beating up Kim Jong-un. And you think of a 12 year old listening to that seeing that this is legitimized behavior for an adult to have like it's fucked up. That's awful. Yep. That's really, really awful. The cycle of toxic masculinity just never ends. Yep. So in this in this next clip, Alex is discussing how his show is too short.

That can't be true. It's someone who listens to it. It is not. He's just misusing time. You could condense it to a half hour. It's the classic case of misallocation of resources. Yeah. He could easily get all the content he needs to get out easily in the time that he has available. But he wants to extend the show because you'll see. Okay. I'm so out of control, folks. I don't plug my own sponsors. I refuse all this advertising money because I just will not even mention the stuff on air even though we need the money. I skip network breaks even though the network says, please stop doing it. I just can't help it. You understand that's thousands of dollars every time I do that because I'm just so dedicated to covering info and I get so wound up. I'll just

have the show go back to four or five hours. No. But then I get completely burned out and then can't it's just it's insane. It's insane wanting to really free humanity and knowing all the globalist tricks and knowing I'm right and knowing the globalist wheels behind wheels, plans within plans, knowing their playbook. And it's so frustrating. I just want the general public to have the playbook so you can be empowered. I want you to win. So this is a really interesting clip to me because I hear this sentiment coming up from Alex more and more frequently in this 2013 stretch of time that we're going over. He knows he's right about everything and he's super fucking frustrated because no one else seems to think that he's right about everything.

One conclusion a person in that situation could reach is that they're not in fact right about everything and that their feelings that they are might be based in delusions of grandeur. Alex is unwilling to consider that possibility so he goes the other route. There's just too much news and the struggles of being a radio host are so straining that he doesn't have the time to explain it all to people so they can be free. Here's how I know he's full of shit. He's been on air for like 18 years at this point. He's had plenty of time to explain the globalist plan in exhaustive detail and in part literally all the information he would need to make clear his day that he is right. If he wanted to, he could take an entire week of his show and just get into the weeds with it,

like really lay out the names, dates and specific citations and everything. That would be 15 hours on air and if that isn't enough he can go into overdrive. He has literally no one stopping him for broadcasting exactly as long as it takes for him to coherently teach his class. You're missing it Dan. Sure the globalist plans are long-term but they're always throwing in new wrinkles. You can never fully explain a globalist plan. But the plan is timeless. It is timeless. The reason he doesn't do this is that he doesn't want to show his cards and have his audience know where he's getting his ideas from. Some of it's just made up. Some of it's clear misrepresentations of things that are real and some of it, probably more than anyone should be comfortable with,

is just the protocols of the Elders of Zion. Alex knows damn well that he can just yell about Carol Quigley or John P. Holdren and then move on to another topic without anyone getting too suspicious. But if you were really to dive in and try to analyze those texts and make his points, his argument would crumble in real time in front of his audience. The second reason he doesn't do it is that it would be painfully boring to the audience that he's cultivated. Tons of the people you talk to who have ever listened to Alex's show, they say things like, I don't know if I agree with him but it's fun when he yells. Alex knows that to keep an audience, which allows him to continue making ad revenue, he needs to yell and distract and jump from topic to topic. He needs to keep a

steady supply of white identity fueled outrage coming in the form of misleading and overly simplified headlines. If he really buckled down and tried to get into the details, he knows damn well that half his audience is turning the dial and there go his plans to buy a new boat. Market pressures dictate that in order to maintain his standard of living, he can't even try to take the time to explain the quote unquote globalist playbook that he's convinced himself he understands better than anyone else on earth. But there was a time when that wasn't the case. In his early days on radio, he was so much freer, unbeholding to these advertising pressures. Here's what I'm getting at. He's had a radio show and a video camera. This whole career. If at any point in

that career, he wanted to lay out his proof and actually do a focused coherent type of breakdown of this, he absolutely could have. And yet he hasn't. Endgame was an attempt at it. But and I guess, but that documentary is completely full of shit and fails to prove any of his arguments. If anything in what he was saying were true, he could have done this at any point in his life. And it's not like the globalist plan is some new development. You're bringing up like, oh, there's this new thing, but those are all just wrinkles. Those are all new distractions. The base of it is the same. Right. It's always been the same. There's nothing that he's doing now that he couldn't done 10 years ago in terms of firmly laying all this stuff out. Yeah, it does seem that

he is fully aware that he is, his show is purely entertainment value that he is sneaking white nationalist views into, but he can't ever say that it's an entertainment show because that would undercut the very prop premise. He's trying to keep custody of his children. Yeah. Yeah. And his lawyer says it. Yeah. He's very clearly aware of it. Yeah. You know, and I'm probably a little too sensitive about this, but clips like this really piss me off because I think they show how much of a con man he is, possibly even more so than his gross like salesman clips. These are the clips are Alex tries to explain away why his show isn't what he pretends it is by creating fake excuses for why he's not doing a better job. He can't fully explain the globalist playbook to you

because he has to plug sponsors. Presumably by extension, he hasn't already fully laid out the globalist playbook because every day he comes into work for the last 18 years, he's had to plug sponsors. In reality, he hasn't explained this globalist playbook because he knows that he's making most of it up. The wheels inside wheels and plans inside plans, he sees the globalist crafting are tenuous connections that he imagines lurking behind completely unrelated headlines he skimmed in an altered state or whatever he was describing at the beginning of this episode. All that stuff is in his head. So he doesn't lay it out because if he did, it would be too obvious to people. Yeah, it's where we're back in stupid evil continuum here. Like he's he's clearly

scamming and he's aware of it. But at the same time, he believes enough of what he's saying. Yeah, to give you pause the depths of the evilness could be subconscious. Yeah, like the most evil parts of it seem like they could just be like, he doesn't he doesn't know. Like, I don't think it's a mental process where he's like, Oh, I can't, I can't lay out my plan because if I do, everyone will know I'm a liar. Yeah, no, I'm conscious. I bet he believes that he thinks or I bet he believes that he can't lay out his plan because he doesn't have enough time. Right. I do think he believes that and then he subconsciously creates all these impediments in his way. Like, God damn it. I got into a big burkie. Oh, no, I got to interview the fucking limerick soap guy again. That does

get in the way of laying out the globalist plan certainly does a good limerick will will overthrow the globalist plan at any time. But Alex is in this deep state and he's like, maybe I should extend the show because then I can get into everything and I'll tell you this. He goes four hours on this episode. Yeah, we'll see how that plays out. Man, every production thought he has is always wrong. Well, like let's go to a 24 hour network. Don't don't do it. You're overextending yourself. Let's let's have Owen Troyer host the fourth that's fucking higher. Oh, yeah. So, uh, you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens with that final hour where he, you know, he's already laid out that one of the reasons to extend the

show is to really get into the globalist playbook that will free everyone. Right. We'll see. Okay. So Alex has, uh, he starts complaining about guns a little bit in this, uh, in this episode. And, uh, in this next clip, he talks about how they almost already took the gun. Sure. Sure. Back in the 60s and 70s, they almost got all the guns. They almost got rid of our military then as well and put it under UN then under State Department memorandum and public law 7277. So that's the type of stuff going on. Look up 7277, the manuals online, where we have no military, our police are disarmed and UN troops are here. That's why you've always heard, oh, that's coming, but we've held it back.

The old timers by warning people bought us a lot of time. So they've incrementally put a lot of it in, but not all of it. So that's why you can read what the John Birch Society said in the 60s. People like, this is crazy. Now it's all come true. Basically, we held it back. They wanted this stuff by the 70s. So, uh, we talked a little bit in the past about State Department memorandum 7277, but it's a long, it's been a long time since we have. So I felt maybe it was time for a little, a little brush up. Yeah, I could use a little brush up. So for those who haven't listened to our entire back catalog, memorandum 7277 was a document that was drafted by the US State Department and released in September 1961. The official title of the

document was Freedom from War, the United States program for general and complete disarmament in a peaceful world. It's important to read this document with two considerations in mind. The first is that this is a Cold War era document. The point of the document was to provide a possible plan of action to the UN at the 16th General Assembly in hopes of beginning a fruitful negotiation with the Soviet Union that could help avoid mutually assured destruction. We've mentioned it many times, but we were legitimately on the brink of the world ending more than once in the span of those years. And sensible people saw it as the highest priority to avoid that possible outcome. If we live all all of us, if we all live in peace by way of complete disarmament, why the fuck wouldn't

we do that? Isn't that a better outcome than everyone dying for no reason? No, no, no, no, there was a I remember the guy in the Soviet Union who received the medal for literally saving the entire earth and then was hidden in Siberia and his story, the fucking suppressed for as long as humanly possible story. No, no, no, I don't think we should disarm Dan. There's nothing dangerous about that. I don't I don't I don't understand why when you're in that situation where you have brinksmanship going on between two nuclear powers who are at at odds with each other why you wouldn't explore every single possibility to avoid that outcome. It boggles my mind that that happened and they didn't immediately go Oh, by one fucking computer error, we almost destroyed the world.

Let's start talking about it. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, the world. The world. The second consideration is that when negotiations began, it turned out that this plan was not what either the US nor the Soviet Union wanted. And at the 16th General Assembly, it went nowhere and wasn't adopted. It exists today as a historical testament to a time when international negotiations might start off on a far more idealistic step than they do today. Right. 60s. Right. Though it was never put into place and ultimately as a meaningless document in terms of any government, it did lay some important groundwork toward later negotiations like the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty of 1968. So in many ways, you could actually see it as an important show of good faith from our side that

actually was built upon later to make the world a safer place. I think that if you look at it through that historical context, you see it as like probably a very important document that has led to good things, but not something that's enforceable in any way or actually been carried out. As with most UN resolutions involving the United States, we didn't do a goddamn thing. Well, it wasn't adopted. It was a suggestion that was discussed and no one was like, eh, of course, it's unclear from the text of the memorandum if it would even affect citizens weapons at all. It's really mostly about disarming the US and Soviet Union and scaling back their arsenals and armies while simultaneously strengthening a UN peacekeeping force that could

ideally avert future large scale crises between countries. And then also does have the nuclear idea like states can't pursue nuclear weapons. Right. Right. Right. This memorandum 7277 is used by every Second Amendment dumb dumb is proof of international conspiracies that are out to get their guns. So they can create a one world government in the form of this UN peacekeeping force. I guess none of the arguments they make can be supported by the text of the memorandum and rely entirely on their interpretations, which I personally do not trust. Dan, you got to read between the lines. You can't trust literally any word in those documents because they all mean the exact opposite of what they say they mean, which I happen to determine what that means playbook.

Let me read between a couple other lines. All right, I like it. Alex is saying that John Birch Society and the quote old timers were warning about this, which is interesting phrasing. Yeah. I'm positive that the John Birch Society brought it up before this point, but the earliest definitive time I can find them talking about memorandum 7277 is when then president and former Alex Jones guest John McManus brought it up in a John Birch Society bulletin titled who's side are they on dated April 1991. I thought you were going to say the specific I thought you were going to say the president, not the president of Jimmy Carter. Yeah, I was like, holy shit, former info words guest Jimmy Carter. According to John Birch Society lore, Robert Welsh quote, somehow found a copy of

the memorandum almost immediately. And because they worked to publicize it, the plan behind 7277 fails. Always, always. I find this particular telling of the story to be hard to believe, partially because from my reading of John Birch Society materials, they're pretty big on dates. And also their own stories. That's to say, you know, to say that Welsh somehow, you know, they literally John McManus uses the word somehow found a copy. That seems out of their style. He Googled it as does the imprecision of the timeline that McManus presents about this. To be clear, I'm absolutely certain that the John Birch Society was agitating about memorandum 7277 before 1991. I'm just saying I don't have any concrete proof of exactly when it started.

I've seen some indications that Robert Welsh was aware of 7277 by 1963. But he wasn't the only one. I can find concrete evidence that another group was organizing specifically against memorandum 7277 at the same time or earlier. I swear to God, if you say that KKK, I'm going to be furious. Nope, it's a group called the minute men. Oh, God, no, they're almost worse. Yeah. Jesus Christ, they're fucking crazy. Yep. The minute men were an extremist anti communist group ran by a guy by the name of Robert Depew. Depew had been a member of the John Birch Society, but decided that they weren't into action the same way he was. So he broke off and started the minute men in 1961. That didn't stop him from re infiltrating the John Birch Society with his

minute men after the fact. This was actually a common strategy among the explicitly violent right wing of the day. The congressional record from 1960. That's over. The congressional record from 1963 include Senator Thomas Ketchel, introducing into the record a passage from the cross and the flag quote, followers of mine who have access to our literature should attend the John Birch Society meetings in their communities. Do not be aggressive and do not be offensive. Do not do anything to embarrass the Birch leadership, but always have a pocket full of literature and materials which you can hand out to interested people who might want to make a deeper study into the communist menace. And also always have a few blow pops in your pockets as

well. Yeah, absolutely. The more chocolate raptors will fuck you up. Absolutely. The more extreme groups saw the John Birch Society as fertile recruiting ground. Since if you are out there enough to join the JBS, there's a good chance you are only a little nudge away from signing up for the harder stuff. Yeah. In many ways, it's like how fascists have used things like Gamergate men's rights activist communities as recruitment drives. This strategy is timeless. Yep. It should be noted out that the cross and the flag was a publication put up by Gerald L. K. Smith, the founder of the America First Party, which was a party that was supposedly just isolationist but was crawling with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. In 1944,

the party advocated for the deportation of US Jews and the sterilization of those who would not leave. Smith himself was an outright Nazi who spent a lot of his time after World War II lobbying for the pardoning of Nazis convicted at Nuremberg. Popular move. Yeah. Popular move. You gotta look. I'm not saying you gotta give it up to the Somali pirates, but it does take a certain type of courage to lobby for Nazis aren't that bad. Courage. Courage. So he ran for president and he got less than 2000 votes in the 1944 election. So then Smith renamed his party from the America First Party. He renamed it the Christian nationalist crusade under whose name he published the cross and the flag, which is what was put in the congressional record. The

Christian nationalist crusade also published Henry Ford's international Jew and promoted the protocols of the Elders Zion as absolutely authentic. They hated Jews, communism, immigrants, and jazz, presumably because it had to do with black people. Gerald L. K. Smith was a Nazi and he was one of the main figures behind the early days of Christian identity. The Christian nationalist crusade is also associated with the Minutemen. A 1964 news article describes Minutemen founder Robert Depew as quote the handsome black haired Missourian and quote soft spoken and articulate, which I only mentioned because it's important to realize that the media has always done this with right wing extremists. Depew taught that the communist menace was coming and probably

already here all around. And so the only thing to do is to organize guerrilla groups to fight back. Naturally, this just turned into anti government fanaticism and right wing terrorism because it always does. On January 26, the 1968 seven minute men members were arrested for planning to blow up the city hall police department in power stations of Redmond, Washington. Arresting officers found firebombs, dynamite, blasting caps, guns and masks that they planned to use in their campaign, supposedly against communism. It came out in court that it was all part of a plan to cause distraction and chaos so they could rob four area banks and bring in about $100,000. Robert Depew was charged with conspiracy since he was the group's leader, but he went into hiding only to

be caught and charged in 1969. Because he was the leader of a white terrorist group, though, he only ended up serving about three years of his 11 year service. I love America. Life sentence for marijuana possession. Three years for white nationalist terrorism. Two years prior to that event being broken up, 19 members of the minute men were arrested in process of carrying out a terrorist attack on some camps. They supposedly thought were full of communists in the northeast. The police had been tipped off and raided their cell locations and quote seized a massive arsenal of mortars, grenades, bazookas, machine guns, semi-automatic rifles and close to a million rounds of ammunition. These people were not trying to fight communism. They

were extreme right wing terrorists. Ramparts quotes the defector of the group as saying quote, after you take their five phases of training, you find out that you want to overthrow the government by force and violence and do away with about half of the people in the United States. What it allegedly started out as a defensive fraternal organization to fight off the coming communist invasion had to turn radical and offensive when that invasion never came. They had plans to assassinate politicians and commit a chemical weapons attack on the UN building. They rationalized that attacking the government was the same as attacking communists since the government was already a communist entity, as proven by everything

that's happened since the new deal. Put simply, the minute men were Alex Jones's kind of guys, but he does not want people to think that they were his kind of guys. After their formation in 1961, it quickly became a catch-all organization, the minute men did, for people all over the extreme right who wanted the possibility of violence in their life. Tons of minute men were legit Nazis as well as Klan members. Two state coordinators for the minute men were former Grand Dragons of the Klan. Their membership roles also included an interesting overlap with members of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, which is run by Wesley Swift, the man who more or less created the Christian identity movement in the United States.

One of his ministers was a minute man, and that's not a coincidence. Much like the John Birch Society, the minute men distributed publications to their members. In this case, however, it was stuff like a handbook that taught members how to make incendiary weapons and anti-vehicular mines, recipes for Molotov cocktails and nerve gas. These were sort of the things that the minute men were distributing. They also put out a periodical called On Target. On Target, I'm not entirely sure, was the first, but it was very early, as a publication that was spreading the conspiracy that memorandum 7277 was an attempt to take Americans guns. Their November 1, 1963 issue is titled, quote, New Drive to Disarm America,

and it discusses a recent symposium that was held to discuss illicit international arms trade. The publication makes a specific point that the attendees were all members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and that quote, of the 92 people who spoke during this four-day conference, nearly all fit into one of the following categories. One, known and identified communists. Two, persons who have belonged to and supported numerous communist fronts. Three, people who have made it a habit to support and be affiliated with various ultra-liberal peace and disarmament groups. And four, individuals who are paid employees of the U.S. Disarmament Agency. Given how loose we know their definition of communist is, those four descriptions could

literally include everyone who's not a minute man. The pamphlet goes on to complain about memorandum 7277, how everyone getting their guns taken, you know, is going to happen, and the next thing you know, we got a new world order going on to the U.N. A full five and a half of the 10 pages of that newsletter is just the names and home addresses of people who attended that arms trade symposium, which leads me to another important part. Doxing is not a new strategy of the extreme right wing. So it's important to recognize that when Alex Jones says things like the old timers, this is probably who he's talking about. He's probably talking about the minute men and doesn't he knows not to bring up them by name. Right. Also back to memorandum

7277 for a minute. That plan was introduced by JFK. How is it possible for Alex to argue that JFK was both the president who introduced the globalist disarmament plan for global government and also the guy who was killed by the globalists for being the last real president? It's things like this that really highlight how inconsistent Alex's conspiracies are even to each other. They're internally inconsistent. Right. Yeah, but that's never been the point. Like the point is always just like with the right wing terrorists, it's always been whip people into a fear based state. So they'll join us by saying, this is coming. And then whenever it doesn't come because it's fantastical, say it's already here. Right. That's it. So why

would you even want to bother with internal consistency? The entire point is insanity. Yep. And it does go to the like using John Burt society as a recruitment place for more extreme groups. It's the same thing as like if you're in for whatever Alex is selling, it really doesn't matter if it's crazier. Right. You know, like you're already in the place where you are self selected as a candidate to believe bullshit. So why care about this thing making sense? Yeah. JFK can both be a hero who's killed by the globalists for being into America and the one who introduced the UN plan to disarm the entire world. Right. Doesn't matter. Right. Anyway, I just think this is interesting because one of the things that I want to pay closer attention

to and really highlight more is these instances where Alex has direct overlap with these more terroristic sides of the anti-communist world in the 60s and 70s because there is very, very strong overlap. And the John Burt society is kind of a piece of it, given like a reveal OP Oliver and how he, you know, went fascist and anti-Semitic and was one of the founding members of the John Burt society. Yeah. Like there are connections there, but they run deeper. Yeah. So at this point in the episode, Alex is kind of vamping. He's filling time. Right. Right. Because he knows that Professor Griff is coming probably. I already tossed out my malicious shit. I got to wait until Professor Griff comes. I've signaled to the militias.

I've complained that my show is not long enough. So I can't get into the globalist playbook. Right. Right. Right. And I still got 20 minutes before Griff comes. So I could, no, I can't. No, I just got to, just got a vamp. Yep. They want to wreck you. They want to shut you down. Do we have him? Wow. Professor Griff, I get to talk to him for the first time in person hearing about 20 seconds when we go to break. A big fan of a public enemy growing up. You can't be, they're not allowed. They're not allowed to hear my humble opinion. And so we're going to come back with one of the icons of rap, hip hop and everything else. Professor Griff on the other side. This is going to get deep. So stay with us. Get it deep. Get it deep.

So Alex introduces Griff here in this next clip. It is Tuesday, the 12th day of March, 2013. And Professor Griff, one of the great granddaddies, one of the icons, one of the founders of rap and what is hip hop? I mean, you can't really think of anybody out there except a couple other guys who were up there at the top of the mountain. Cool. Herk tons. First things first, public enemy was formed in 1986. They were a really successful group pretty immediately with the 1987 release of their debut album, Yo Bum Rush, the show, which is well received critically and by hip hop fans. In between the release of that album and their second album, Professor Griff gave an interview

in the UK where he said that quote, there's no place for gays. Also quote, Jews are responsible for most of the wickedness in the world, which many people suspect is him quoting Henry Ford's anti-Semitic publication, the international Jew. And quote, if Palestinians took up arms, went into Israel and killed all the Jews, it would be all right. Professor Griff's unbridled bigotry got him kicked out of the group right as their wave was beginning to crest. In the aftermath, Griff played the role of pretending to apologize so he could be public enemy's minister of truth again. As recently as 2018, he's made public comments about Ashkenazi Jews as being intrinsically evil and that it's just common knowledge now. People write books about it. So I'm not entirely

sure if I believe he was ever sorry for any of the awful shit that he said. Absolutely not. I don't believe that. No. Incidentally, in that interview that referenced there from 2018, the book that Griff cites to argue that this is just common knowledge, you know, that these Ashkenazi Jews are all evil, right, is called the synagogue of Satan. No. Well, I don't have the time to read that book. I will say that one of the reviews of it is illuminating quote, this book lifts the lid on the conspiracies and details of how the public has been duped. It includes the complete protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which is, which is a big scoop as the Jews do not want the general public to know their plans for world domination. Can we get a

copyright takedown of can you is is the base as a public domain? I don't know. I think it probably is. It doesn't. I don't know if anyone owns the copyright. Doesn't Disney own the public protocols of the elders of Zion? Ford, Ford, probably. I looked into it a little more and what do you know? One of the arguments put forth in that book is that the people alive today who call themselves Jews are actually the descendants of Esau. Crazy to hear Professor Graf amplifying and promoting the same anti-Semitic conspiracies that are spread spread by people like Pastor David J. Smith and that are at the heart of the Christian identity movement. Weird. Putting out their first album in 1987 does put public enemy in the earlier parts of hip hop history, but there are a lot of people

who came before them like Grandmaster Flash, the Sugar Hill gang, Curtis Blow. Run DMC's first album came out three years before public enemies first album. What I'm saying is that while public enemy holds a very important place in the history of the genre, they're considered to be in the second wave of the evolution when the old school aesthetics branched off into ton of subgenres. Yeah. Yeah. When it takes a nation of millions to hold us back came out. It was, that was the cement them in fucking history level of album. Yeah. And Professor Griff wasn't involved. No, he was. Oh, no, that's right. He wasn't involved. Fuck, that's right. But before it was released, he'd given that interview and that interview didn't come to the surface until a couple years later.

Right. I believe it was 89 when that interview actually came out and he got in trouble and then got kicked out of the group and then Chuck D brought him back. Who knows? I don't know. Chuck D was on news radio, so. Sure. Yeah. So was tone low. Tone low. So in this next clip, Alex mentions that the public enemy is going to get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and then says something that can't possibly be true. And they're on tour right now. They're going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year. And I've been following Professor Griff's, which I was about 11 years old. So Alex was born in 1974. It would literally be impossible for him to have been following Professor Griff since he was 11, considering public enemy didn't form until 1986

when Alex was 12. I have a hard time believing that Alex as an 11 year old was super into an obscure member of the nation of Islam halfway across the world. But I guess he can try to make that argument if he wants. I think when he was 11, he was a world class stalker, maybe? I don't know. He's literally been following Professor Griff. Also, I don't think that Alex would be into early public enemy. Their first album was deeply black nationalist. And from everything Alex claims to believe in, he is super against that. They explicitly endorsed Farrakhan on their 1987 single, Bring the Noise. So I don't know how Alex could pretend not to know what they're about. Also, it's wild to think that Professor Griff was part of the group when they got inducted into

the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, considering he was kicked out and he almost legitimately ruined all of their careers. Oh, shit. You know what? It's actually really interesting, the news radio episode in this context now, because literally what goes on is Phil Hartman's character rails about the dangers and evils of hip hop. And then when Chuck D, the celebrity comes on, he's like, I love hip hop and you are amazing. And Alex is doing exactly that. Yeah, absolutely. He's real dealing it. Yeah, he is real dealing it for sure. So I don't know. This interview isn't that great. It's mostly forgettable. There's a point when Professor Griff gets a text message and Alex tries to present it as someone hacking his phone and

listening in. Sure. It's ludicrous text. Yeah. And it's a lot of Alex being like, I love you. You're great. I think one of the best. And then they get into like mind control and music. And that's when I got a specific that I decided I wanted to look into. This is very real. Stephen Jacobson in his book, Mind Control in America, he talked about these particular techniques in depth. And it's something that Stephen Jacobson laid out that needs to be studied. His whole idea back with masking and double speech and these kind of public reviews out of the music industry. All right. All right. You gave me a specific look into that. A whole lot of this interview I should tell you is just Alex and Professor Griff.

It's just Griff laying out his theory that the powers that be are trying to feminize the black man through hip hop. His evidence. This seems to be his belief that Will Smith and Quincy Jones are gay, which is something that he insinuates heavily, but is very careful not to say explicitly, which is a strategy that I think Griff has been forced to get pretty good at over the years. Alex sees a kindred spirit. The rest of it is just vague accusations of generalized mind control and Illuminati conspiracies in the music industry. Interestingly, Griff's arguments about these are less rooted in his personal experience than they are in him hearing Alex Jones and David Ike yell about the topic, at which point he tried to make his experiences mirror their narratives.

From listening to him speak, it's really hard for me to not think that this is just basically Alex interviewing a marginal celebrity about how they've used his narratives in their own life. One specific Griff does offer is in that clip is a book called Mind Control in the United States written by Stephen Jacobson. This book and Jacobson and all other mediums try to make the argument that the problem with people today is that they're being taught things that are not true. How can we possibly navigate the world around us if everywhere we're turned we're confronted with things that are not true being passed off as truth. God, I agree with you, but I'm almost 100% positive that you're the one who's peddling lies.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I think, too. These arguments will be fun to explore. And I think that our podcast has a lot of this theme to it. So, you know, attempting to navigate the right wing media sphere where lies are very slickly presented as truth. So I thought, Hey, what the fuck? Maybe I should check this guy's book out. Maybe there's something to be learned here. Let me start by putting this very bluntly. There's not. Stephen Jacobson is a lunatic. Here's how he argues against evolution. Oh, boy, we're already there. Quote, man is a blend of indigenous ape forms and the celestial beings who arrived upon the planet and adapted to the primate organic body because of the greater dexterity possessed by the hand and thumb. They cohabitated with

the primate forms and the progeny was the first true man. The inheritance of animal traits still lingers in man making so many spiritual beings beastly in their temperaments and behaviors. Okay, so if I understand correctly, humans didn't evolve, but apes met venom, and the symbiotes came together and now where some of us are crazy. Yeah, gotcha. This is a painfully stupid book full of appeals to occult knowledge and psychic abilities. It's also weirdly fairly anti communist, but that kind of makes sense when you read the post script. Quote, I received a copy of Gary Allen's none dare call it conspiracy. I began to study the community, the conspiracy theory of history. He cites none dare call it conspiracy 10 times in the footnote, along with W. Cleon

Scousen's naked capitalist and the politics are the same old anti communist conspiracy bullshit. We see it the source of all of these people's worldviews with just a little bit of fun new age horse shit added on top man. I'm listening to this professor Griff interview and already to he's cited two completely insane full of bullshit books and he's cited them as authoritative sources. So I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's not a guy who has a very rigorous fact checking or critical analysis routine in place that he goes through before he decides to believe something. Also small point. He's been an overt anti semi for decades. So when he's out here talking about mind control in the New World Order and the Illuminati, you have to be a

complete idiot to not use available context clues to deduce. There's a very high likelihood that he believes the New World Order is run by Jews. It might be a productive question for Alex to ask that, but I suspect he's worried what the answer might be and he doesn't want that on the show. I hate these people. I fucking hate these people. I hate them so much. I hate them so much. It's so weird. I don't know how to deal with how much hate I am experiencing right now. Yeah, it's so weird. It's so weird how these there's so many connections. Yeah. Even between like Professor Griff, the book he cites ends up citing none dare call a conspiracy scousin a ton and also thinks that evolution isn't true because angels. So Alex has this

interview with Professor Griff and they have a great time. Oh, it's a fine time. Of course. It's very boring. Real deal with it. So now Alex moves on to another guest. He's got another guest. I had a chance a while back to hear this gentleman on Coast to Coast AM and I've been wanting to get him on and I've kind of told my producers but then forgotten about it a while back and I guess it fell through and then Richard Reeves came in and he said, you know, Dr. Glidden, who we're a big fan of and he's here on the Genesis Network, Dr. Peter Glidden, he says this is a guy you really ought to interview who's worked with young Jebedee and others a whole bunch of times. We'll have him break down the story to sue the

Food and Drug Administration to make them back off trying to shut down being able to buy vitamins and minerals and supplements up with the counter. I mean, if you have one illness from a supplement, it's national news. So Alex's next guest is a lawyer who works for young Jebedee. Yeah. Yeah. This show is so insane because I'm listening to this episode and Alex says that his next guest is young Jebedee's lawyer and my responses. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, right? I'm no longer even close to shocked that Alex's medical guests all seem to have financial ties to one of his main sponsors. So why should it be any surprise that his legal experts do too? I swear to God, this is all a surprise. I wish it was. Yeah, that would be amazing. That would be so good.

It's not. What I'm more interested in here, though, is that Alex's claim there at the end that if you get one person sick from supplements, that's a huge news story. Supplements are safe, Jordan. That is wildly untrue. It's bullshit. According to a 2015 study in the New England Journal of Medicine, at least 23,000 people get sent to the emergency room every year for reasons that are directly traced back to taking unregulated dietary supplements. I'm glad that we've seen that statistic. Our government has decided, you know what, it's time to regulate. They certainly haven't. Oh, they haven't? Oh, okay. The author of the study, who's a doctor at the CDC, was quick to point out that it's way more

likely that this is an underestimation than an exaggeration of the problem. One of the main problems is that because of the Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act of 1994, the FDA is forbidden from reviewing supplements before they're sold. They can only intervene sometimes when the supplement is shown to be dangerous. This applies also to not just the supplements themselves, but also to packaging. That 2015 study found that a significant number of the injuries from supplements came from children who could easily access the pills because they weren't required to be in child-proof packaging. A 2017 Business Insider article reports that the supplement industry is a $37 billion market. When you look at it in that context, it starts

to make sense why it's almost entirely unregulated. Selling people false hope and ineffective pills is an evergreen business model. And these people have a whole lot to lose if the government starts to take the issue seriously. The big companies in a $37 billion industry are very well positioned to hire all the attorneys and lobbyists. They need to make sure that their business stays unregulated and they can continue to basically defraud naive people. And that's why we need to keep money in politics, Dan. Citizens United was the greatest Supreme Court decision in the history of the world. There are so many problems with people taking supplements, even beyond just the pure, some of them can hurt or kill you angle. When people take supplements, they often don't

tell doctors about them when they're asked if they're on any medications, since people don't consider them to be medications. Well, if it's a gummy, then it can't be a medication, Dan. Unfortunately, even if they're not medications, they can definitely interfere with real medicine. St. John's wort, for example, can severely impair the effect effectiveness of antibiotics, birth control and other drugs. If doctors don't know you're taking it, they can prescribe you something for an infection and you'll be completely get basically just getting no treatment. Yeah, when the antibiotics don't work, people are then likely to take it as proof that traditional medicine doesn't work. It become more drawn to supplements as if it's actual medical care.

There have been plenty of deaths tied to supplement use and plenty more where supplements played a part in the death and it wasn't caught by doctors for Alex to pretend that this isn't the case is disgraceful. And the only reason he would be doing that is either because he doesn't know what he's talking about or because he's a bottom page shill for a supplement company. Yeah, or both. I would give him both. Yeah, that's possible. Yeah, I would say that he's probably been, I mean, even in his own, I'm guessing that now he's kind of disabused himself of the notion that supplements can't fuck up your brain by 2019. Yeah, yeah. He's living proof. Exactly. Exactly. That's not the case. But I could buy in 2013 since he's probably not overdoing the longevity

supplements that he'd be like, he'd be convinced by their propaganda too of like, Hey, these are actually good for you and blah, blah, blah, or it's natural solutions and or he's living in a space where it's more just like, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, this lawyer is coming on, but it's not just him. There's more. Professor Griff's lawyer. I'm doing like a, like a pitch. Yeah. It's a film QVC, not just this lawyer. We're going to have to put a clock on this one. Yeah. So I wanted to get Jonathan W. E. Mord on with us again, E M O R D.com. And also wanted to get Dr. Peter Glidden, fire your MD now.com, naturopathic doctor, host of fire MD now, which shares here on the Genesis Network. It airs on the Genesis Network and Glidden is also

one of the spokespeople for young Jevity that we've talked about in the past. So he has the lawyer on with the doctor from young Jevity. Yeah, it's called synergy, Dan. This lawyer that Alex is interviewing here on the show is guy by the name of Jonathan E Mord. And from everything I can tell you, he's basically just made a career out of taking on cases that seek to cripple government regulation of non medical medicine. His claim to fame is that he's beaten the FDA in court more than anybody else. And I guess I believe that's probably true. In 2010, he won a suit against the FDA that allowed supplement companies to make quote, qualified health claims about their products. Thus, they can say that their product might help with a certain condition or reduce the risk of it.

But they also have to include a disclaimer that says quote, scientific evidence concerning this claim is inconclusive. Based on its review, the FDA does not agree. That's a pretty big win, since most people don't read disclaimers and unreally big win. It might as well have just been an unqualified win. Yeah, yeah. E Mord has made a career of helping people get murdered by unregulated markets. He's been involved in a number of other similar lawsuits. And because of it, he's become something of a hero in the supplement world. His litigation has genuinely allowed them all sorts of wiggle room that they need in order to defraud tons of people totally legally. In most of his lawsuits, E Mord is representing an organization called the Alliance

for Natural Health USA. And the main one, the main cases use Dirk Peterson and Sandy Shaw as their defendants. Pearson and Shaw are supplement designers who make their money by licensing their products to companies who sell them. So it goes like this, the Federal Trade Commission wants to enforce a rule like you can't make health claims about your product unless you have two clinical trials to serve as the basis for your claim. Then E Mord's law office will petition the FTC saying quote FTC requirements have a chilling effect on Pearson and Shaw who have ordered their licensees not to communicate to the public on labels and labeling or in advertising any claim of association between the products they sell and immune system enhancement weight loss

or relief of temporary irregularity for fear that the FTC will deem the claims deceptive advertising. I'm using quotes because I was reading from his 2011 petition to the FTC by framing the argument this way by saying it's a free speech thing they can't speak to their customers. Yeah, by doing it that way, the supplement industry sets up a win-win situation. The FTC can agree with their petition and allow them to make scientifically unsupported claims or the FTC could disagree. And then they can go around yelling about the FTC suppressing their free speech. It's a trap. Quack watch lists this sort of framing as one of the main hallmarks of questionable organizations saying it is quote nothing more than a ploy to persuade legislators

to permit the marketing of quack methods without legal restraints. Another hallmark that they use of questionable organizations is that the organization opposes proven health measures like fluoridation. According to Source Watch, the Alliance for Natural Health USA was a founding member of the Fluoride Action Network. So it sounds like that's two strikes. For a third strike, let's just go ahead and say that Jonathan E Mord is a member of the Young Jevity Hall of Fame, which is something to say. Oh, that's not good. No, no, no, no. I now know that exists. Even if I was, even if I deserve to be on the Unjevity Hall of Fame, please do not put me up there. I don't want that on the posterity's list of things for me. Unfortunately, I can't find a

list of people on the Hall of Fame, which is I thought that's what the Hall of Fame was all about. It's just to honor people. But I guess it's not. They don't want to have a list out there. But if I had to guess, it's probably mostly shithead. Do you mean a list of fucking second degree murderers? Anyway, Jonathan E Mord is the lawyer that the supplement industry calls whenever the FDA or FTC is suggesting a rule that would advance public health but hurt their business. He's also a lawyer for Young Jevity, but the only cases I could find of him representing them aren't even for supplement related stuff. They're for like business dealings. So I don't know. The FTC proposes a rule saying, please don't lie. Please don't lie by omission and please don't lie by implication. And they go,

what if we just lied a bunch, but like a little bit differently than those? Yeah. Anyway, it's mostly the interview is mostly Alex jumping back and forth from Glidden and E Mord. And it's all just to say that the supplement industry is under attack. They're great. They're great. Who cares? And you should probably buy gold and all that stuff. In this next clip, though, one of the folks here, Dr. Glidden, kind of makes things a little too overt about what he wants to see happen in the world. Quite frankly, Alex, I couldn't be happier if the medical system collapses because we have taken the wrong dog to the hunt. I mean, the medical system doesn't need to be streamlined. The drug companies don't need to be reined in.

There doesn't need to be more checks and balances, less regulation or more regulation. The reason that our health is going to hell in a hand basket is because we've taken the wrong dog to the hunt. What he's saying there is that we have a Western medicine, this medical system that we have, and we've chosen that as opposed to his supplements and weirdo shit. What we should be doing is taking more Ginkgo fucking Beloba than getting goddamn right. And so his solution, his solution to it is, you know, we don't need to deregulate. We don't need to overhaul anything. We need to destroy the medical establishment. I think if you lead with that, people are not going to get on board with you. Usually, that's a bad idea. It's probably a bad opening,

volley, especially when you're trying. I mean, what you're doing is it involves so many aspects of like health policy and like what you would need, you would kill so many people. Oh, yeah. It's almost shocking to imagine the number. Do they just allow anybody to be a doctor? He actually legally can't call himself a doctor. Okay. He's a natural path. Okay. All right. Okay. I was gonna say some states he can't call himself a doctor. I thought he was, I thought he was an actual doctor. If he's a natural path, he's just a liar. He complains about how he got in trouble for calling himself a doctor on this episode. That's how I know, of course, of course. So one of the things that I don't want to sit around

to just listen to these people talk about their propaganda supplement industry. I just want to highlight that this is all just a young Jevity ad. So anything that makes a therapeutic claim is automatically categorized as a drug. So it's a pharmaceutical monopoly. Wow. Jonathan W. Emored. We're going to come back with him. We're going to overdrive with Dr. Ledin today. Visit infoworshealth.com for the very best young Jevity products discounted infoworshealth.com. Stay with us. So that's what it all comes down to. You might have heard there that he says we're going into overdrive. With Dr. Glidden. The whole fourth hour. Is all an ad? Infomercial with Dr. Glidden. No way. So when Alex was earlier complaining about how he doesn't have the time to get the

globalist playbook out and he needs a show to be longer, he solves one problem. His show is longer on this episode. Yeah. But it's just supplement sales. He knew exactly what was going to happen and that was a preemptive defense. I suspect that is exactly what that was. What an asshole. I do wonder. Bullshit. I do wonder if there's craft there. Oh yeah. It's hard for me to say but I think it's probable. Yeah. There's no way that he got a fucking thing in his ear at three hours ago and like doing a full hour. That was that's the one thing that is was in a production meeting. It's it's an you know. I mean there's coordination that needs to be involved. You know Glidden schedule. He's got to have time. Yeah. So that's a free plan. I think it's entirely

possible if it is the case. Shady. What a dick. Shady. What bullshit. And that hour could have been used to lay out the global playbook. Of course it could. Could have at least dipped your toe into it. Could have just read the protocols there. Yeah. So anyway we come to the end of this 11th and 12th stretch in 2013. I think there's some you know definitely some interesting meeting here but Alex is he is so far adrift. I don't even know what's going on anymore in the past. And again we're talking about Sandy Hook. I mean we're tracing that. Right. Right. But I do think that we're in a lull before the calm before the storm. Yeah. Because I think it's coming. Yeah. I think that some people I have speculated about this and I think some other

people have as well that it becomes deeply entwined with the Boston bombing that happens in April. So we're in this March stretch where I don't I don't know if a ton is going to happen but it does offer us these great insights into like Alex's former position on Kim Jong-un. No. No. I know. Alex interviewing Professor Griff like he is one of the most important celebrities in the world. I'm referencing the old time. Exactly. Yeah. There is an opportunity to learn about a lot of stuff along the way before we get there. That's a good use of our time I believe. Absolutely. No. No. No. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just it's so fascinating to me. It's a great show is everywhere. It is all over the place and there are stunning parallels between the present and

2013 that are. I mean you're you're a god damn witch. Every time something happens in the present we're just going back through a certain date in 2013 and there's a one to one comparison there. Well I mean some of that some of that is referencing the minute men in the context of fucking eight Chan today is bananas. Right. But some of that is because the same things that are true between Alex's 2013 and the anti-communist extremists in the early to mid sixties that there are similarities that are there and they haven't changed to the present day. Right. Of course. Just because a lot of these people are using things like cultural Marxism or replacement fears. A lot of it is using the same operating system that these right wing extremists always

have a giant piece of anti-communism and the world that the people who were primarily motivated by anti-communism created that paradigm exists throughout a ton of extremism and that doesn't change. No. So when we see those parallels it is always kind of shocking because it's like well holy shit. That's crazy. But it's also not that surprising. It shouldn't be because Alex is a piece of the continuum of right wing terrorism stochastic or actual. And I think you just have to deal with that. Right. No that's that. I mean why would they stop doing the exact same propaganda tricks if they are continuing to work. Yeah. You know of course there are parallels between I mean fucking the beginning of the protocols of the elders of Zion worked so well that they

just kept on rolling with it and we still haven't figured out a fix for it. There's no patch for this bullshit. Nope. So why not. It's tough. There will be parallels in 2025. I think if we don't figure it out there will be. There won't be any parallels to be had in 2025. I don't know if it'll be that extreme but you know I'm being hyperbolic. It is something that it will continue to be a problem until we figure it out. Yeah. And I don't mean we like you and I know of course I mean as a society there's a lot we need to figure out and one of the things is what is behind all of this that's been going on for a long time. Anyway we'll be back with the present day episode which would be a ray of sunshine. Yeah. I'm not really not looking forward to this one. Well we'll see.

That's why that's why I did plant watch as a question because every question that I was thinking of went to a very dark place. Fair enough. Yeah. That's the natural reaction to have right now and I hope everyone is all right. Yeah. Be well. So we'll be back but until then we have a website it's knowledgefight.com. We do. We're also on Twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. We're also on Facebook. We are. We if you want to download the show you could go to iTunes. You could also leave a review there. You could if you have a maple tree anywhere near you and grow one of those in my apartment. Absolutely. And that's also where you'll be able to download our episodes. The SAP contains a full MKV file. So that's that's where you can get our

episode. All right. We're not doing until next time. There aren't a lot of there aren't a lot of people who haven't committed a murder. Stephen Jacobs appears that he wrote a very dumb book. Yeah. But I don't know if he killed anybody. It seems like he spent most of his time writing a dumb book. A dumb book. But he didn't kill anybody. But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.