Knowledge Fight - #338: March 27-28, 2013

Episode Date: September 2, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan continue looking into the past to follow Alex Jones' path downward after Sandy Hook. In this installment, Steve Pieczenik finally shows up on the scene to mix things up, and Alex reveals what's at "the bottom of the rabbit hole."

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Indeed. We are Dan. George. Dan. What up? What is something that you think you believed longer than you should have? Do you know what I mean? We could go with the evangelical form of Christianity that I grew up in.

Well, of course, of course. It certainly stuck around those corners a little too long. How long did you stick around there? In pretty deep, at least for a number of years. I don't know. It's a little bit. Like 15? Yeah, probably.

15, 16? Yeah. But I was deep. I was deeply involved in K-Life and other church organizations. My youth groups, sermon planning team. Oh, sermon planning team? I wasn't even that deep in there. I was helping with sound boards for the youth group sermons.

I did that. I played in the youth group band. I was not musically talented, but I was on the drama team. I like it. We did little skits. You did little Jesus skits. Oh my God. Yeah, I was in.

I was in deep going to like camp Kana Cook. Barabbas. What are you up to? Looking back, it was probably just as clunky as that. But yeah, I don't know. I think I believed in not, not so much. I don't look back on the believing in the religion part as negatively as much as I did the institutions and the, the specific church and the people around me.

I believed, I believed in that too long for sure. Yeah. And I have also studied Alex Jones for too long. That's a great transition right there. I guess that's applicable. But that's what this podcast is about, that I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me. That's right.

And we both know a disturbingly similar amount about religion and camps, church camps. So Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is we're back in the past. We are looking at March 27th and 28th, 2013. Loving it. And I think this is a day that will be very important. Okay. It's only fitting that this is on a holiday. Right.

Labor day. Right. Episode. The real JFK dies on March 28th, 2013. That is not what happens. We will make a massive progress today. Okay. So I'll say, well, I raise my eyebrows at you.

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It'd be nice. So like I said, Jordan, big stuff here ahead of us. This may be a shorter episode because I don't have many clips. But what we lack in bulk clips, we make up for in big time stuff. Alex starts out the 27th by announcing two guests for that day. One of them, not that important. The other, tremendously important. The first, not that important.

Yeah. And he promised to come back just to take phone calls for an hour on hip hop, rap and government media control of not just it, but rock and roll and other, other systems that are used to dominate and steer culture. Not important. Sure. Sure. Sure.

Professor Griff comes in and they talk about the 13 bloodlines. Yeah. Okay. All right. It's a lot of esoteric nonsense. I like it. So that's not important. No, I doubt it.

Now, what is important is Alex's other guests. JFK. Now, we are also going to be talking to Steve Pachennick today if we can get him on. What? What? Finally, Steve Pachennick. The Stevie P's shown up? It's taken months of listening to these episodes.

But finally, Steve Pachennick has shown up. Professor Griff and the Professor of Propaganda on the same show. Two of America's most wanted. The same motherfucking place at the same motherfucking time. Professor Griff, Dr. Steve Pachennick. I have long held an opinion that Steve Pachennick is the reason that Alex believes in the Crisis Actors narrative at Sandy Hook. It has been something that I have thought about as like, well, it's probably the case.

Steve Pachennick is somebody who has lured Alex down terrible roads repeatedly throughout his career. And it only makes sense that like, since we do know that he is a Crisis Actors guy. Oh, he loves him to the present day, even about Sandy Hook. Yeah. The only thing he doesn't believe as a Crisis Actor is a hurricane. Yeah. He does not.

And he does not like it when you are rude. So I have been long waiting Steve Pachennick showing up on Alex's show in 2013 because it seems to me like that's where things are going to go bad. Yeah. And today, March 27th, Steve Pachennick makes his first appearance on the broadcast. Well, not the first ever, but first in this time frame. Yeah. The appearance that is going to have you fist up in the air going like, I finally got one

prediction right. We'll see. God damn it. So in this episode, Alex is on some narratives. His big one is that he's found a story in Wired about press releases and news stories written by robots. Okay. And how this is going to spiral out of control.

And autocomplete. He's against it. He has no idea. And a couple of years ago, we discovered stories that were out there that clearly had been written by a robot. But now they're getting good enough where they're just going to have government press releases that are then rewritten. So they're, quote, original and have the local name put on it.

And of course, the humans will be removed there. And that's why they've told the White House press corps. They even told you in Politico this, if you don't totally toe the line, if you ever make one snide comment about the White House, you will never be in the press conference. You will never be given the press release because it's all who gets the press release and the access. And now they're saying, they said this a month ago, they may go to a virtual president where it's a hologram recording of him.

And then it'll be a full hologram composite where they just write the words. And it's not even a recording of Obama. It's just a video simulation. They're going to, and by the way, this is the plan. Now it's interesting to me that, you know, Trump has kicked a lot of people out of the press room. Put down one more for the list of that guy's an authoritarian leader to, I love my authoritarian leader.

He's got to kick him out. They're making snide comments. They're making snide comments in the press box. What are you going to do? Also, this hasn't happened, but I can very easily imagine a scenario where Alex is like, of course Trump sends a hologram to his rallies. He's too busy. He's trying to save the country.

He's got to send a hologram. Also, how else is he going to realistically shake hands with Tupac? You can't shake hands with the hologram, but the hologram can. It seems like something that we're very close to Alex being completely fine with. Oh yeah. For sure. I don't know how much credence there is to the idea that the plan is to make a holographic Obama.

And time has shown that that does not appear to have happened. Yet. Although how would we know? Do you remember the Hall of Presidents where they're using those automatons? Sure. Now, one, they're going to eventually take over and control the earth. Naturally, the Hall of Presidents automatons will become the actual presidential Hall. And two, when they have those, when the automatons are running everything, they're going to need

their own version of the automatons for people to walk well, obviously, for cyborgs to walk into and see the presidents of the past. So naturally, they're going to switch to holograms. Obama's going to be in there. Call it. Nailed it. Alex nailed this one. I'm going to give it to him 100%.

All right. See, he starts rambling and spiraling out. And, you know, like the holographic president and the pre-recorded speeches and all this stuff is, you know, it's all part because the Illuminati is going to take over, right? And you've got to fight back now for these press releases or whatever. Because if you don't, the Illuminati will take over. And when they do, you're dead. That sounds right.

Alex makes this argument and then relies on what I would call shoddy evidence. You're not going to be allowed to go play volleyball by the beach when this all comes in. You're going to be killed. And they've all said that. You're dead. Kurzweil says, you'll be like a bug. We'll just step on you. We won't even recognize you.

We are preparing to become God. I don't believe in God yet. I am going to become God. I am going to invent God. I am going to cybernetically merge. And you've got all these camp followers going, yes, we're going to live forever too. We're going to be part of it like lemmings off a cliff. You are not meant to travel to the next level.

You go watch the Illuminati treatise on record by the inventor of the communications satellite and so much more. Uh-oh. The, the, the, the, the OSS black op commander, the man who wrote 2001 space odyssey. Oh, there you go. You go look at the top technocrat black ops commander and what he told you by the third 2001 book. You all take microchips and worship Lucifer. That's the plan. Okay.

Yeah. So we got the 2001 space odyssey books or movies probably all the way up to number three, which I believe is 2003 space odyssey. Right. Absolutely. So good, good, good, good, good evidence so far. I like a, I like that as an 80s movie villain. No volleyball. You die.

Right. That's why Alex was top gun. Yeah. Classic volleyball movie, volleyball freedom movie. Exactly. It's all about the freedom to volleyball. Yeah. Um, so I mean, that's just indicative of how all of this goes.

If I cut out every single instance of Alex saying something and then being like, we know this because of the revealed plan in X science fiction movie. Yeah. It would get, that would be our whole show. Yeah. Quite frankly. It never takes into account like what about all the other things X person wrote? Like what about all of these? It's, it's, it's maddening.

It's maddening that the idea that this could be so clunky. Yeah. And still people would be like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. I'm really surprised that it, is it, have we never had a Harrison Bergeron reference? Or maybe a guest.

Maybe a guest. Probably a guest. It seems like it should be nonstop Harrison Bergeron references, you know? Yeah. I know that I have had that thought and it makes me think that a guest probably brought it up. Yeah. But I don't, I don't remember Alex talking about it a lot, but in this next clip, Jordan. Yeah.

So this isn't the Project Camelot episode. Right. But we do get to talk about aliens a tiny bit. A little bit. And so Carrie Cassidy over Project Camelot, she believes that the gray aliens are working for the reptilians. Right. They're the little worker bees that run around and kidnap people and terrify them.

Right. And all that good stuff. And the reptilians are the bad guys. Well, they're the underlings of the bad guys. Yes. Gotcha. They're not, they're not the big bad. Gotcha.

Gotcha. Alex has a slightly different take on gray aliens. Okay. Just like, you know, gray aliens in the Hollywood movies communicating with each other with computer-assisted telepathy. The whole gray thing is a template program to condition you to accept that that's what we're going to look like in the future. And the grays are humans from the future.

That is not really real. As far as I understand it, from the highest level, Illuminati information. What? And I'm laying down some hardcore info on you here today because this is the plan. What the fuck? Gray aliens in movies are an Illuminati conditioning device in order to make you think that that's what we will be in the future. Oh boy.

But now what I'm going to tell you right now is going to blow your mind. That is not real. Right. Based on everything I've read of high-end Illuminati releases. And there's only one place you could get that kind of information. Arthur C. Clark's books, I guess. I would love for him to provide this high-level Illuminati document or whatever. I would love any of this to be available.

I think it's Robert Highline's books, actually, is what disproves Arthur C. Clark's books. Some shit. Yeah. Okay. Great. So Alex, you know, he's talking about all this kind of, you know, this 2001 Space Odyssey nonsense. The gray aliens are, you know, the Illuminati believes X, Y or Z.

But he doesn't believe this stuff. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. He needs to give himself the veneer of rationality. Sure. And so he always retreats behind the, I don't believe this stuff. Look, they think they're worshiping the devil. The Illuminati do.

I don't necessarily believe that they're communing with Satan. And he's giving them plans. Now I will yell about that all the time. Of course. But that's just because it's what they believe. And they are. Right. So he gets into a little bit of that in this next clip.

I don't know if they're going to achieve this. It doesn't mean I believe this. I'm reporting as a sociologist, as an anthropologist, as a psychologist, as a historian, as a red-blooded American and a Texan who studied enemy operations. The enemy mindset, what they believe in, what they stand for, what their plan is. Just got chills. Okay. I as a organic expression of humanity, which they even predicted in their own publications

that we would arrive and they're ready for us. They call us gallant and beautiful people who will have to be exterminated. They say it's painful what they have to do, but it's for a greater good after we're all gone. That's H.G. Wells I just quoted in his book, The New World Order. I can quote Arthur Schlesinger. Okay. Why don't you?

She just thrown in a little brag. Hey, I can quote other people too. Yeah. Can't quote Thomas Jefferson though. Right fucking now. Certainly can't with any consistency. So this is a reference to that same quote that Alex misuses from H.G. Wells book, The New World Order, all the time.

He misuses it constantly. It's almost as if he only read this one paragraph of that book, not understood it, and decided to base a lot of his ideas about the world and the globalists on that misunderstanding. In discussing how he observed the world was generally trending towards greater social democracy. H.G. Wells says, quote, Nor does it alter the fact that even when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system.

Countless people from Maharajas to millionaires and from Puka Sahebs to pretty ladies will hate the New World Order, be rendered unhappy by frustration of their passions and ambitions through its advent and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to estimate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful looking people. The list of people he's saying will be against social democracy are the very top of the prevailing social hierarchy, the millionaires, kings, colonialists, and aristocrats. When Wells makes reference to gallant and graceful looking people, he's expressing a

feeling that monsters are not always grotesque and often actually beautiful. Alex seems to think that the passage is about himself and that Wells is expressing a sense that eventually patriots would show up to counter these nefarious plans he's putting out and that these patriots would be gallant and really hot. And that fits perfectly in with Alex's self-designed mythology, but it doesn't match with the point Wells is making at all. Much like Alex's interpretation of scripture, this is an act of isegesis and it only makes sense if you understand that Alex read this paragraph trying to find support for the things that he already believed.

This pattern along with tons of other behaviors make Alex a terrible sociologist, terrible anthropologist, terrible psychologist, and terrible historian. Which are all labels he has no business giving himself. This is nonsense. The biggest one that was missing is literary critic. He doesn't really, it's kind of amazing how much credit he gives himself for everything but the one thing that could be applied to this particular circumstance. I'm a sociologist, a psychologist, a historian, an anthropologist. I am also illiterate functionally. No, but we could put you into English one.

Like that'd be great. So I just find that to be so fascinating on a very minute level that the HG Wells, they talked about how the opposing forces eventually show up and that they'll be beautiful and gallant and heroic and it sucks. They have to kill all of us, but it has to be done. That's completely out of line with what Wells is expressing. It is also, however, him existing within exactly what HG Wells was expressing. He is that millionaire who is going to die miserably. But when HG Wells wrote that billionaire meant a lot different than it does

in present day. Alex is ascribing to himself that high social status that he probably doesn't merit like compared to Maharajahs and millionaires at the time of that book's writing. He's nowhere near that level. He fancies himself to be in that conversation. But I mean in that level was also like pretty ladies. Pretty ladies also has a specific connotation. Like high end socialites, aristocrats. Anyways, the point being he is going to die malcontent.

Fighting against the very thing that would improve his life. That is true. That seems to be inevitable. So Alex takes some calls here on this show and he gets a caller who wants to talk about how the Catholic Church wants his guns. And then at the end of this, if you listen very carefully, he gives a citation for some of his beliefs and it's deeply troubling. Nobody I know so far has responded to an article that of February 25th, that's an article in either America or Catholic America magazine.

They have an article on the 25th of February issue. Actually have an article in there that I read that they are calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment and I heard nobody respond to the Vatican or Rome doing this or any other religious... It is actually, I did see that. I saw some Catholic publication. I actually searched into it because I scanned through XM and they had like a Catholic channel on there and I just stopped and listened to it. They were talking about a Vatican release that, you know, the Second Amendment.

There it is. Repeal the Second Amendment, the National Catholic Review. And that's... Isn't that the official Catholic... Yes, it is. And also, over the years, Rome hates the American Constitution. And it's proven also by, if you ever can get ahold of it through, maybe, Chick Publication is called 50 Years in the Church of Rome by Father Jack Chanick. Guys, do me a favor, print me that article because I actually did see that. I don't know if Alex did actually scan around on XM and find a Catholic channel, but this isn't like a fake thing. This actually is real.

Yeah, yeah. It was an op-ed published in the Catholic magazine America where the author posited it the best way, possibly the only way, that this country was going to ever have sensible gun laws if we repeal the Second Amendment. This wasn't necessarily a call to outright ban guns. It's more of a realization that the Second Amendment absolutely gets in the way of any conversation about guns. So possibly, if it were gone, we would be able to have a rational debate

where people were still able to preserve their rights to self-defense and gun ownership, but we would also be able to fix some of the problems that have come along with the ubiquity of guns. Man, Catholics believe some weird shit. Yeah, it's kind of a sensible position, possibly a bit controversial to come from a religious magazine, but definitely not something I would call scandalous. The writer of the editorial even grappled with the reluctance of people to alter laws, particularly ones in the Constitution, but ultimately those are just laws written by and passed by humans.

If they were passed in one circumstance and those circumstances change, it makes sense to consider changing the laws. No! Good rebuttal. Thank you. Probably more troubling to me in that call is the fact that the caller is also citing a book that is put out by Chick Publications, the business run by Jack Chick. He's the guy who puts out those little cartoon pamphlets full of gross and grotesque depictions

of Christian fundamentalist ideas. Oh! It's pretty clear that these publications... Chick Tracks! That, there it is. Now it makes sense. Now I got you. It's all there now.

Those exist primarily and almost exclusively to scare the shit out of children about how they're going to hell if they stray from the fundamentalist path. Chick Tracks run the gamut of Christian issues. You're going to hell if you get an abortion. You're going to go to hell if you have sex. You're going to go to hell if you do drugs. All the stuff you'd expect. But Jack Chick was also a rabid anti-Catholic.

He constantly rails on Vatican conspiracies in his work. So this article is being brought up. It is a real article making a point that would be easy for Alex to manipulate into being the Catholic Church and this new pope that we just got. They all want his guns to be seized. The pope writes every article for this magazine. 100%. Yeah.

It's worth pointing out that the sort of people interested in discussing the article in this way, from my perspective here, it seems to be someone who's also into Jack Chick, which is pretty bad. That is a bad sign to me. That's not good. No. That's not good. Have you heard, have you read the one about calling into propaganda's white nationalist radio shows?

It ends well. It really does. Yeah. Everybody's fine. It's a positive Chick track. Nothing scares children less than wanting to call into radio shows. Yeah. So Alex has about an hour with Professor Griff.

Yeah. And it's fundamentally not worth going over. It's mostly about a book that was written by a guy who professes to be former MI6. I can find no confirmation of this. Sure. I mean, I was a bunch of shit about the Illuminati and it's, it's based on the other stuff I've heard Professor Griff site in past appearances. I don't even want to get into it.

Yeah. I just let them talk. Have fun guys. Yeah. Yeah. Because I had bigger fish to fry. I'll meet up with you on the other side. And that my bigger fish is the man, the myth, Steve Pechenik.

Stevie P's. So most of the interview is actually pretty boring. Okay. Alex wanted to have him on to talk about how the bin Laden killing was fake. Right. And how SEAL team six ain't no thing. They've got nothing on Alex. Right.

It didn't happen. Osama bin Laden's been dead forever. Yeah. And that, that was what Alex wanted to have him on to talk about. Steve, however, had other things on his mind. Namely that zero dark 30 sucks. Fair. Fair.

He's very mad about zero dark 30. He's heavily fair. And I don't think we really need to get into that either. That's sort of a film review. I like Catherine Bigelow, but I'm going to have to give it two thumbs down. Fair enough. So towards the end of their interview. What do you know?

Sandy Hook comes up. Surprise. And here is Steve Pechenik talking about Sandy Hook. I told you and I didn't tell you, but you said it very clearly. That is very important. I told you. No, I didn't tell you. I didn't tell you.

I didn't tell you. No, no, no. I did not tell you. I told you. I didn't tell you. I didn't tell you. You told you and me with the thing that I'm saying to you right now. Right.

That you have not heard before. Whoops. You told me that thing that I am about to tell you. Uh-oh. I told you and I, well, I didn't tell you, but you said it very clearly. There's no question in my mind after I dammed Sandy Hook that Sandy Hook was a total false flag. There was no individual involved.

There wasn't a half-further. There wasn't 24 kids who were killed. There was a woman by the name of Susan Collins with a $600 million contract that writes about wars called hundred games and post-apocalyptic events. And she didn't say a damn word at the place where I know very well because I train in Greenwich, Connecticut. The first responders to one of the New York Times said they had PTSD. Well, they are the only ones I know who are Irish, Catholic, have PTSD and had increased

in union pension because of the non-existent war. Well, they also caught SWAT team people in the woods and then said it never happened though we have the video and now the arrest record. It never happened. And the problem is we're having false flags repeatedly with the president in order to justify expansion of executive power. Listen, we're out of time, but you coming on and saying it's a false flag's big, when can you come back on this week or next week for a full hour?

I'm on any day you want and every day as long as America understands we now have to fight. Sure. So that's pretty blunt. Yeah. He is very much the crisis actor narrative. Oh, yeah. Being expressed on Alex's show. None of it's real.

No kids died. Nothing happened. None of it's fake. It's all fake. And I know this because Susan Collins wrote The Hunger Games. Yeah. And she's from HL. Yeah.

Yeah, that one, I heard him say Susan Collins in The Hunger Games and I was like, there's no reason that he would throw that in there. And then in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, shit, that's right. They brought The Hunger Games into calling Sandy Hook as fake. What are you guys doing? And it seems to be very primary. I know. That's what Steve's coming up with first as his like, this is what's fucked up.

Obviously, Susan Collins. Yeah, that's not good. So on February 12th, 2013, Steve Pachanic posted a blog entry where he's very explicit that all the people involved in Sandy Hook were actors. I can say with certainty that at least by that point, February 12th, Steve is absolutely advancing this narrative. His theory seems to be rooted in the fact that he credits himself as an author of Tom Clancy's books.

So he knows a bit about fiction writing. The story of Sandy Hook struck him as a poorly written piece of fiction. So when he found out that Susan Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, was from Newtown, he put two and two together and decided this explains everything. Suffice it to say, this is not convincing stuff. Tracing back to January 22nd, Steve posted on his blog, quote, I'll be posting later tonight, but here's some homework if you're interested. Something does not smell right about this Sandy Hook thing.

Inconsistencies keep nagging me, especially when I start comparing them to other events in recent history, dot, dot, dot. Hmm. Who does that sound like? Huh. The way Alex constantly compares Sandy Hook and all of his feelings about it to Aurora. Yeah. An event from recent history.

Yeah. I don't know. It seems weird. Yeah. I have every reason to suspect that Alex knows what Steve believes at this point. He's been Steve has been publicly accusing the survivors and victims of Sandy Hook of being actors, and he's someone Alex knows and respects. It just doesn't track the idea that Alex would think that Steve is a hero in intelligence

operations veteran who's working for the Patriots who has a blog where he lays out his analysis of current affairs. And then Alex doesn't read that blog. It's possible. But if that's the case, then it's a really good piece of evidence that Alex doesn't do nearly the amount of preparation that he wants you to believe he does. If you read the discovery request in the lawsuit that Alex is facing for his Sandy Hook coverage, a couple of things stick out.

There are obvious pieces of things that they're looking for. Like requests for all the materials involving Sandy Hook, the word crisis actors, anything involving Wolfgang Halbig. That's what you'd expect. But then when you get to item number three, the plaintiff's request quote, all documents and or communications between you and any of the following individuals or anyone acting on their behalf concerning any of the topics listed. There are only two names on that list.

James Tracy isn't on there. Wolfgang Halbig isn't on that list. It's only Steve Pachennick and Jonathan Reich. Reich was a 26 year old dude who got arrested for harassing Sandy Hook families as well as the county medical examiner. He hasn't shown up on Alex's show or had any mention. Right. But also I think that's because he doesn't get arrested until May.

Okay. If I recall correctly. In March, there may not be any reason for Alex to know who he is. Yeah. There's a longer list in item number four of requests for communications regarding appearances on info wars, which includes both of those two dudes and some of the other likely suspects like Ted Anderson and Wolfgang Halbig. But Reich and Steve Pachennick are the only two people who the plaintiffs requested all

communications concerning the covered topic. Based on what I've been able to suss out from listening back to these episodes, it appears that the plaintiffs may have the same working theory that I'm coming to, namely that Steve is communicating with Alex behind the scenes and it's leading to a shift in his coverage. That's still a little bit of a theory from my position, but this is not nothing. When Paul Joseph Watson interviewed James Tracy about the crisis actor theory a little while back, they were at least trying to be explicit about not endorsing his ideas. Paul Joseph Watson had to list off a ton of disclaimers and caveats about how he doesn't

agree with this guy. Now, not too much longer after this point, we have our first instance of someone saying that the victims and survivors were all actors with no pushback and actually excitement from Alex. And that someone is Steve Pachennick. Other than like a stray caller that Alex might have gotten, no one has expressed this theory on the show and anyone who has has gotten at least some performative pushback. Alex is thrilled with Steve bringing this up now.

It almost gives him the ability to cover this now because Steve is giving him that. And I'll say this, if you go back and you look at a bunch of like these blogs that are sort of aligned with patriot ideas and stuff, the day after this, there are tons of articles about Steve Pachennick appearing on Alex's show and saying that Sandy Hook was fake. So the idea that Alex had a hand in really amplifying and legitimizing these ideas. If this is the beginning of it and the kernel of it, he presents Steve Pachennick as an absolute expert in everything. He's overthrown governments.

He's he's a Psyop expert. He's been all over. He knows everything. He was part of the CFR, but he left because he was disgusted, having him on, allowing this to be said uncritically and with no pushback. And in fact, celebration of Steve's comments does a massive piece of work in terms of legitimizing the crisis actors theory. The the the role that Alex plays, even if it is a little bit delayed in as much as these

theories are floating around on the Internet and conspiracy forums. I mean, almost immediately. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This piece of work is terrible. This does its severe amount of damage. Right.

Well, now I'm I'm kind of waffling because I didn't know that Steve Pachennick's theory hinged upon him having written for Tom Clancy. He's a ghost writer. Right. Now, I wouldn't believe that, but just about everybody who's ever written a book has ghost written one book for Tom Clancy. So if that part is true, then I can only assume that Susan Collins wrote the whole Sandy Hook narrative.

Right. Because if if a is true, then B must be true as well. It's shoddy stuff. Yeah. And one of the other things that I've learned from this, like looking at Steve's blog is that he does not write how he talks. Oh, yeah. When he's on Alex's show, it's very controlled, measured.

There's a there's a there's almost a, I don't know. Like there's a elevation to the way he's speaking on his blog. It's just full of like bold letters and all caps and like pictures of like Photoshop pictures of Ram and Obama in like homosexual attire. Gotcha. You know, like it's it's a ludicrous blog. Yeah. Like to only know Steve from his appearances on Alex's show, you go and read these rambling

nonsensical blog posts poorly formatted just full of shit. It's very weird. It's all it, it calls into question. Like how much of his presentation on Alex's show is a put on in order to make him see more rational and more reliable as a source as opposed to where he has full control over what he's putting out. Yeah. It's a little bit crazier.

Once, uh, once he stops having a, an audience that he can see visually, the tin foil hat comes out and we start tossing around real kinds of wild shit. Maybe, maybe. So I don't know that that was troubling to me. That was, uh, that was troubling. Um, and here's Alex saying he wants Steve to come back on about this. Sure. Steve Pachennick dot com.

Alex Jones here with info wars.com. Amazing info. I want to get you back on about Sandy Hook and other false flags and how to fight back sometime this week or next week. We'll set it up right now. Thank you very much. Dr. Steve Pachennick. I'm Alex Jones.

Hardcore radio. This is it. Is it? That's, that looks bad in hindsight. Yeah. I would definitely say that that's, uh, that's a bit, not good. Well, I mean, in, in, in many ways, his show is going to be far more hardcore, uh, as time goes on.

Yeah, that is true. That is hardcore to an extent. Yeah. So this is very norm core in 2013. We don't even consider this being out there. Yeah. I'm thinking about this and like the experience of listening to this is so surreal to me because with the awareness that I know that the Boston bombing is happening, so many of Alex's narratives

we've so perfectly into that confluence of events. Yeah. Like I just see trains about to run into each other and I can see it. You can't stop it. There's nothing you could do. It's, it happened in the past. Right. I'm getting really anxious about how this is going to play out.

You're worried about how it's going to go a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's troubling to me. Oh God, we can never get you a time machine. No, no, you would be a disaster. Yeah, probably. So that's the end of the 27th.

Alex has Steve on for the, you know, the, the, the brings us to the end of the episode. And he has clearly articulated that Sandy Hook was actors. It was totally fake. And it's, you know, I was really wondering is like March 28th. Now is this going to be floodgates open? And the first hour of the show is just Alex saying he's going to take calls all day. The whole show, all the show, then he rambles about nothing. He's just going on and on about how he's not a fear monger and all that kind of standard

shit that he yells about. Sure. I honestly kind of think he's vamping because it really feels like he wanted to go to calls because he hadn't prepared for the show, but no one is calling in. Oh man. But it's also possible that he fell into his very standard and uninspired fugue state that he gets into where he just like pontificates about whatever. Yeah.

It's honestly one of the worst episodes of this show that I've ever had to listen to. It's just so bland. Really? It's so bland. It's so petty. It's so manipulative. Just it is a very lame, sensational, certainly, but, but just tough to get through. So the first, the first whole hour is just like a no man's land doesn't get to calls.

I think if, if, if, if, uh, Steve Pachennick was writing Alex's character in a Tom Clancy book, I imagine every line of dialogue would have an ironic adverb at the end of it. Like, I'm not a fear monger. He said fear mongeringly. Like that's the only way you could write that character. Yeah. I'm not a fear monger. Now granted, they're going to take away all your food.

Yeah. You're going to die. No volleyball for anyone. Oh boy. So, uh, Alex gets into some race memory stuff, uh, at the beginning in his, uh, ramble hour that he's in. Sure. Sure.

Um, and I think in this next clip, Alex kind of admits that he's just making this stuff up. Okay. Okay. Let me tell you something. You shoot an animal with a bow. You slit its throat to bleed it out so that the meat doesn't spoil. You butcher it yourself.

You cook it yourself. You're thinking about that animal while you're eating it and it's activating synapses and instincts in your mind of the entire human experience. When you, when you, you don't need to do that to, to, to connect to your race memories. You can do it by digging in the dirt. You can do it by planting seeds and then watering plants and just doing that will open up and I've never read this. I know this.

I know someone's written it because any truth, you've already found self-evident others as well activates and literally communicates with your soul of I've never read any of this. It's just an idea. I've got. Nope. Nope. Nope. Uh, no.

Rejected. Refuse. Simultaneously, Alex will say that science has proven all of this stuff, like the, the stuff about, uh, literal connections, uh, the ancestors. I don't, uh, I don't believe that. I do believe that he's just making this stuff up. It's maybe an experience that he's had with his weird brain of, uh, eating, uh, a kill or, uh, the, you know, I, I certainly find it pretty fascinating how plants grow.

Yeah. Now that I've grown some of these plants, watching them come from like little seedlings to, you know, almost full grown plants is, yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty wild to think that it was just a tiny little seed and now ha ha plant. Right. Um, I don't, I could see how if I had a very, very weird brain, I could really turn that into some sort of a transcendent experience. I don't think you have to have that weird of a brain.

No, but it's a little, it's a little new agey. Yeah. It's a little hippie-dippy. It is. Alex is a little bit, uh, a little bit, uh, well he is at Dungeons and Dragons playing, uh, cosplay nerds. Do we know that? No, but I, I mean, I thought about it.

No one's written it down. He's written it down, but I, if, if somebody's thought about it, then that means that somebody's written it down. That's how the human experiments. Any truth that is self-evident. Yeah. Man, this dude. Yeah.

So he, he's, uh, you know, you got to hunt and you got to pull, you got to grow plants in order to connect to your ancestors, which is true just because it's true. Sure. Um, well, somebody's written about it, but the globalists don't want you to do that. That's why they put rules in place about hunting and agriculture, I guess, GMOs, I assume. Sure. Um, but it's not only that. There's also rights of passage that they're disrupting.

Of course. And in this next clip, Alex fakes, fakes crying. Right. While discussing how his crying is always very real, which is another sort of theme in his show. I'm not fake crying. He said fake crying Lee. This is not the first time I've heard him fake crying and address that he's not faking,

which makes me think he's absolutely faking. Oh yeah. Oh, of course. I see the judge going through the rituals of combat, going to the rituals of fighting when you're a young man. That's why they want to make it illegal, put you in prison that that unlocks the synapses. That is the, the, the, the rights of passage. That's why the social engineers, I'm giving you the deepest truths here, want to destroy

all the ancient covenants and all the ancient rituals of humanity. Is to break the genetic encoding recordings that are in the DNA from our ancestors. And the chills I feel when I talk about this is losing all of that information. Oh, you know, but I cry, people say it's fake and it's not because I could feel the death of the connection to our ancestors and everything that's going to come in the future. At the end of humanity, in a horrible abomination, and I feel all of our ancestors crying out against us, that we awaken and have strength against this, that we rise above the robot class, that we break our chains and transcend the technocracy and take to the stars and

our true destiny. It's going to be hard to kill deers and plant seeds in space. You don't know that. In a spaceship. We will lose all connection with our ancestors. Well, yeah, obviously. Okay. All right.

Shut the fuck up. I haven't seen fake crying that bad since Gwyneth Paltrow and literally any movie she's been in. Why does he not care about like tribal cultures? If he's so into this like connection with ancestors, shouldn't he respect it in non-white populations? No, they had a more they had in honestly, if he was going to dig in deep and just do a bunch of ayahuasca and dig inside of himself.

I would almost guarantee that somewhere inside there, he resents native tribal populations for having more of a connection to earth than he thinks he does. That's an interesting thought that may be in there somewhere. That's somewhere in there, man. It's too bad that Alex only does ayahuasca once a year to check on the potency of it. Of course, of course. Soros is messing with it. Yeah, I think that that's ludicrous, such fake crying.

And then additionally, like, hey, Alex, you know why people don't want people fighting? It's generally assault. Yeah. Yeah. I think that you're infringing on people's right to not be beaten up. Yeah, they want to outlaw fighting, fighting, dad, in the street where we always do it. Next thing you know, we're going to be getting rid of these horse-drawn carriages. It's all going to be a nightmare.

Ludicrous. So Alex is rambling. He's completely untethered from any kind of semblance of his show being a show. It really does. I can't stress this enough. It feels like he doesn't have another option. There aren't anybody calling in. He has no news to cover because he didn't do any work.

I feel that way. And maybe part of it was, this is me writing a story. So don't take this as any kind of truth. But he had Steve Poccanic on the day before and he has dropped this bombshell that no one died at Sandy Hook. And Alex is pretty excited about that. Maybe he's completely freaked out for the rest of the day, you know, can't sleep, just too excited about the possibilities of, I have an expert who's a part of my show's

whack pack who's ready to go this mile. We could tap into this market now and I have some plausible deniability that it's Steve saying this. I'm having discussions or I can say, like, if anybody challenges me, I can point to credible expert Steve Poccanic. I'm just going based on what the experts are saying. Right. So maybe that, that's what it is.

But whatever the case is, there's just, just nothing in this, this period. But this made me laugh pretty hard that Alex makes a claim that, man, just think about this in the context of like, he's still doing his show six years after this and screaming all the time about his enemies. Those of you to see by this, I don't even hate you anymore. And in a way, a warm friend has left me. His hate is a warm thing. I always fought the globalist because I have love and that's my main engine.

There's always a nice strata of hatred. And now it's not even hatred. I am disgusted by these people. He's transcended his hatred towards the globalists and their minions. Yeah, I remember that's what my favorite Emily Dickinson poets poetry is song poetry songs is hate is a thing with feathers. I'm pretty sure that you can get past it. It is a warm thing.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe that. Nope. I think that's crazy, but it's also like, I think that's funny, just as an idea that he thinks that he's there. But then it's also really funny is like, this is what he's doing instead of taking calls.

Right. Like you wouldn't do that if you had calls to go to when you've already, this is 40 minutes into his show. Like he has every reason to not spend time like pretending he's reached a Zen state in his battle. Yeah. It's, it's pretty crazy, but he does get some calls and this, there's one guy who calls in and it's interesting because Alex on our one, our last recent present day episode,

Alex said that he was going to come into a studio and talk about what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole. Yes. This caller in 2013 wants to know what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole. Is he, is he literally calling in like, what the fuck dude, you see, you were gave us the rabbit hole thing. No, no, no, because it, this is six years in the past, but, oh shit. I am losing my ability to tell the difference between time.

Totally. Because in the present day, Alex dropped the ball and fumbled on his plan to tell you about the bottom of the rabbit hole. Yes. This caller in 2013 is like, Alex, what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole? Yeah. You got to let us know. Yeah.

Like you talk all the time about these horrors and these terrible things. What are you talking about? Right. Alex has no answer for him. He rambles a bit. But then I think he feels like, well, I got to do something. I got to give some answer. Man, it's, it's a wild answer.

This is what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole, George. Okay. I appreciate your call. You know what's at the rabbit hole? At the bottom of the rabbit hole, right, right before you hit the bottom and total implosion of mass death, you see what you see in Japan. It's now taken over the whole culture. Bloomberg reported last year, I already knew about this.

I never talked about it, but since it's in Bloomberg, I'll talk about it. The number one seller in the country outside of baby diapers, it's the past that is adult diapers, not for an aging population, Japanese that are always into cleanliness and the cleanest people in the world. They like to desecrate themselves and poop in their pants and, and, and inventing machines everywhere. I was talking to man cow about this because he goes to Japan twice a year, you know, for shows and things he does.

And there's vending machines everywhere with, with, with, you've got kids listening, don't have them listen right now, with, with underwear, with full loads in them. You know, that's a baked potato, fully loaded and with a picture of the woman who did it. And they, and, and supplanting the major bars everywhere, it will soon be the dominant bar is bars where you go in and people defecate on you. Now that's, that happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. It happened everywhere else. When you get to that point, the next point is mass human sacrifice, burning cities and

total Satan worship. That's quick. And plagues and disease and everyone just stumbling around drinking blood. I mean, it's, it's, that's where everybody's into zombies now and, and, and, and, and that's why, cause you know that's next. Okay. And it's happened hundreds of times in history and, and, and now poop bars are all over the United States and eating poop and, and, and you're not trendy if you don't do it and

you're hurting people's civil rights. Wow. That's what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole, you know, it's almost like the president is asking questions and then we go back to the past and get the answer to those questions and we're like, man, I wish we didn't get that answer. Yeah. There's an interesting dialogue that's happening across a temporal space. This is pretty fucking stupid.

I would say, oh, you know, it's at the bottom of the rabbit hole, Japanese people getting pooped on. Is that what you wanted to hear? Yep. That's the bottom of the rat hole. And his evidence for this is that the Japanese have vending machines where they sell diapers that are fully loaded, fully loaded like Herbie. This is obviously an exaggeration of the whole used panty vending machine thing.

And Alex is adding details in to make it sound more grotesque and fit his worldview. Of course. I read an interesting article on the website tech in Asia where they look into the whole thing to get to the bottom of what's real and what's well kind of based on racist ideas and urban myths about Japanese people. As it turns out, the machine's advertised quote used underwear, but the actual Japanese text is saying that they're manufactured to appear used similar to predestressed genes. The website theorizes that non native speakers see the word used on the machine and they

come to their own conclusions. Whereas if you actually speak Japanese, you wouldn't make the same mistake, which tracks neatly with Alex saying that he got this information from man cow who is visiting and he doesn't speak Japanese. He probably just saw used on the machines like, oh my God, people shitting those virulent racist man cow. The article determines that most of the stuff you hear about this sort of thing is based on urban myth.

I can also find no evidence that there are poop bars all over the United States bars and that anyone considers that a civil rights issue. If you found evidence, we would have to close our poop bars, dad. Oh, shit. Did I just tell you? Oh, no. Damn it. I mean, you know, got a text Maggie and have her close up.

The issue about this sort of thing is like, yes, there are people who have, you know, indulge in some sort of a kink that other people would find disgusting. Yeah. I'm not super interested in myself, but not going to watch a video, but you have fun. That's not in like, unique to Japan. That's not, it's not certainly reached a pandemic level. No, not yet. It doesn't seem to be an escalation towards blood drinking, zombification and cities

burning. Well, actually, I would say that a good sociologist could make the argument that by repressing all these kinks, we wind up leaning closer to the blood drinking and assassinating people for no reason. Kind of shit. Maybe. I'm not entirely sure on the literature on that, but it does seem, it does seem like, you know, some feelings you have about it might lead you to that conclusion.

Yeah. I don't know. I think that this is crazy. First of all, just because like the information that Alex is going on is obviously bad. Racist man. This, the second piece of it is when pressed about what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole. That's what he's got. Yeah.

That's crazy. Japanese, the top seller doesn't specify what that even means. The top seller in Japan is diapers for people to shit in top seller because they all love defiling themselves and, uh, desecrating themselves. Everyone went so far as to say desecrating, they didn't say defecating, uh, the thing about that that you hear though is that that was just a toddler tantrum. You know, like his explanation, all right, you know what? If you want to know what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole, it's a Japanese people pooping

on their pants. Is that what you wanted to hear from me? Yeah. That's what I hear. Don't let your kids hear this. Yeah. He's like him just being like, why are you fucking asking me this question? You know, I'm not going to give you an answer.

You know that what I've got is ludicrous. Yeah. Why are you pressing me for specifics and making me look like I don't give specifics? Right. That is rude of you. You are failing this contract that we have where I say stuff that you can't prove and you don't ask me. Right.

And then you call in and you amplify the things I say and make money. Yeah. So I don't know. I would say I'm going to just say, this is absurd. And the more specifics Alex gives, the more you realize like nothing is based on anything. This is absurd bullshit about people eating poo and being a civil rights issue. It is. Okay.

So Alex rambles a bit more and he ends up telling the story of why his family moved to Austin from Rockwall. All right. And we walked by this vending machine. Right. They're fully loaded baked potatoes. They're fully loaded baked potatoes. That's not the story.

Okay. I don't believe this story. Okay. But it does fit Alex's mythology really well. And so he would never give an inch on this, I'm sure. I lived in Rockwall and a couple FBI agents who were corrupt had moved in in the neighborhood to houses that they had seized in drug rates. And then I even had some of them come around and started messing with my parents.

This is why we, I haven't told the whole story while we moved out of Dallas. My dad sold the dental office he had and things and he'd come by, he'd see me at the local community pool or he's like, Alex, you think you're real smart, young kid like you, good-looking guy, you got a future and all the rest of it. And he'd sit there and lean with his trophy wife beside him at the pool and he'd go, you just better watch what happens to you, what you've been talking about. And I went, oh, you know about the local police and how I've been saying they're drug dealers because I've seen them do it.

You just watch your butt, boy. And then our lawyer called us and said he got the call from the city. They're going to kill me. That's America. That's what America is. Okay. And all of us are these naive sheeple. That's absurd.

His lawyer got a call that the FBI agents or the police department had put out the word. We're going to go kill little Alex. Excuse me. This is Dallas City Hall. Can I talk to Alex Jones or David Jones's lawyer, please real quick? Hello. Is this you, David Jones? We just wanted to give you a heads up.

Let you know this is just a professional courtesy. We are going to have to kill your son. Your son is bit of a guss. So you will, you know what? And actually, I'm not supposed to do this, but the order hasn't been signed by the governor yet. He's involved. Right. Absolutely.

And then the president, we're going to have to send it to him. So there is a little bit of lag time. You could wave. Get out of here. I don't believe this. No, I also don't believe. Now there's federal involvement. There's FBI agents in the mail.

Well, that's why they're all about states rights. But I don't think I made them move. I don't think moving to Austin would help. If they have told a lawyer that they're going to kill Alex, moving a couple hours away doesn't seem like it's going to be an insurmountable distance. They're the federal bureau of investigation. Insurmountable difference. There's no jurisdictional issue for them in terms of their murder of a child. This is ludicrous.

Austin has no extradition laws. I guess even if this story was believable on its own, that as the solution to the problem, it makes less sense. Right. It's just it's how a kid would interpret things like it could be the sort of story that you tell yourself when your parents, like you're getting in trouble at school. So they want to move, change environments because you're a piece of shit kid. Yeah, maybe a change of scenery will change all sorts of outcomes. Maybe there's bad influences at that school.

Maybe he's running with a bad crowd. You can maybe finesse things in your own mind to tell yourself a different story of what actually happened. And I think that Alex has decided that this false aversion of the story that he tells is the reality because that never did not happen. Absolutely did not. I would believe that a cop probably sassed him at a pool once. Maybe. I could see that. I don't know.

Shut up, kid. Right. Yeah, that's normal. You talk too much. There you go. I have to believe Alex was annoying as a youth. Oh, for sure. I can't.

I can't imagine. Look at him now and work backwards. I can't imagine someone not telling him to shut up every now and again. Now does that merit spiraling into they were going to kill me? Probably not. No. So that's my feeling on it. I think this is a load of shit.

Yeah, it's a story like that that really makes me think that his parents just fucked him up. So like, I don't know if they did. It sounds to me like based on every story we've heard about him like moving or or any kind of significant life change before he would have any control over it. His parents probably just lied out their fucking face. Maybe he believed everything. Maybe, but so much of it is only coming from his perspective. Right.

So like, no, I have no idea how much of it is actual input from his parents and perceived input. Oh, yeah. So I don't know. I would be, I'd be hesitant to say that they're lying to him about all this stuff when it's coming from him. Right. So I don't know. It could just be a self-defense mechanism to convince himself he's the hero in all these stories. Oh, for sure.

That's entirely likely. So Alex gets another caller and this caller is expressing a sense that now that he believes all of Alex's narratives and all of the worldview that Alex puts out, his friends don't agree with him anymore. And it's alienating to some extent. And I don't think that Alex handles this well. I don't think he responds appropriately. You know what's bad with like all my friends and stuff? Like I try to tell them about like what's going on about all the tyranny about.

And they say it doesn't exist. They go very, and they don't listen. It's like they don't have their own thoughts anymore. They're good people. That's reasonable. Yeah, it is. And like everyone, everyone has the iPhone now. It's like, it's like we're living inside of a clone kind of.

Well, it's going to get a lot funner. I mean, hey, they like to do diabetes and death and everything. Keep drinking that Diet Coke. It's all admitted it's killing him. Isn't that fun? I just really feel bad for like my generation. In my future, we don't even get to live our lives now. You know what I mean?

Like, well, whoever said you did live, that's a conspiracy theory. That is mother's ever breastfed was a conspiracy that men ever loved women was a conspiracy theory. The future is Japan with poop clubs on every corner. People pooping on each other. That's that's wholesome and good. You're bad. That's I'm a young, impressionable and very obviously stupid kid.

I really look up to you and I hear a worship you. I'm going to pour my heart out about my increasing isolation. Please tell me what the future is for my generation. Poop clubs. All right. This has been great. How's down to Grand Prix? Do I?

That that that's a situation where what Alex is doing is mocking the out group. The the friends that he has that don't agree with Alex's worldview. There's a dismissal of their point of view of a mockery, which serves to insulate the in group that he's this kid is a part of with Alex. And I don't think that that's healthy. I think that's not good because a lot of the things that the kid is expressing, like, I think that there's some merit to like not necessarily a lot of believing in Alex. Right.

But the idea of like, it's generational isolation that you feel with technology taking over to an extent where, you know, it feels like there's a lot of impersonalization. For sure. But these are issues that you can talk about in a realistic way and like offer solutions to. And it's not, hey, all of your friends are stupid. They're just sheep. They're thinking like they all have the same thoughts, not like you. We're, you know, they're just going to end up at the poop club.

Right. Like that's that's not good. That's not a good that's not a healthy way to treat someone calling in. If you don't help them or stop them, you're going to end up at the poop club too. There's also an implicit threat to every part of these outgroups. Sure. Sure. I don't know.

I think that's not cool. That's, uh, I don't appreciate that. Do not for a single moment engage with what your friends believe. Simply scoff at them, call them stupid because they don't have their own thoughts. Never speak to them again. Now granted, I only want you to internalize my thoughts. Well, of course. But, uh, so we have one last clip and it's from the end of this 28th episode.

There's really not much going on on this episode. I can tell it's, uh, it's kind of a no man's land to poop club references. Now there's no way there might have even been a third in there somewhere. There's no way that a lot was going on this episode. It's pretty, it's pretty tough. It's mostly just vamping to not take calls and then taking a few calls. Yeah. Um, and not really like, uh, there's no sandy hook.

Uh, stuff really except to like, uh, I guess sort of, I think once or twice, he generally says it's a false flag, but that's not really any development. That's just late. That's just him throwing that in there. Just, hey, just a reminder, real quick, false flag. Anyways, next call, it's a, it's not a development in as much as like, now we've had Steve come on and introduce the. Acceptability of dealing with this as a crisis actor situation for Alex just

to vaguely again, say it's a false flag. It's the same thing we talked about on our last 2013 episode. It's the kind of thing where if you want to hear it this way, you can, if you want to hear it this other way, you can, um, and it's not, uh, it's not relevant. Yeah. But, uh, we get one last clip here and it's another caller and Alex is running out of time. I should tell you he's in overdrive, so he does not have to end the show.

That cannot be real that he's both running out of time and he's already ended his, and his show is over. Right. But he could just keep going as long as he wants. I know, but why is he going? He's not, he's not saying anything. He needed to take more calls. No, he didn't.

Yeah. So he's talking to this guy and again, he could come back from this commercial break that they're, they're barreling into. He could cancel the commercial break. He could do anything he wants to. He could just cancel. He can, he does end the show. Okay.

But if I were him, I probably wouldn't have. You know, this whole thing is sort of, there's a whole story on top of a story, and maybe I might just shine some light on you. I uncovered something the other day, and I know this may sound fantastic, but I was up in Hartford, Connecticut. Hold on. You got to send me an email. What is it?

Tell us. We got five seconds. Okay. The body of J.P. Morgan and his wife and three sons, their graves were ram stacked and the bodies were. That is the end of the show. The crazy, that's the first time I've ever wanted to hear what the rest of the caller had to say.

01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:07,600 Me too. I'm very interested. The body of J.P. Morgan and his family, their graves were fucking ram stacked. Their bodies were stolen. I get to hear the end of that with, oh, it's almost like a, it's almost, it's almost fucking. It's very weird.

God, that's a bit. That's such a good bit. Yeah. So good. So J.P. Morgan is buried at Cedar Hill Cemetery in Hartford, Connecticut. When he's saying that there's an extra layer to this story, it feels like he's talking about Sandy Hook because it's Connecticut, but it's not explicit that that's, he's connecting these

things. Right. I don't really know because Alex doesn't give him enough time to lay out what he's talking about. If this is even a part of a Sandy Hook conspiracy, but since it's Connecticut and he's saying it's an added layer, it feels like it might be. Yeah. I have no idea.

It sounds to me like just from the, the large background information we're dealing with, I'm going to throw in a Sandy Hook was a false flag. Nobody died in there to distract. Distract from the stealing of the apple of Eden from J.P. Morgan. Now we're into Assassin's Creed. There we go. See now we're into where we always meant to be.

Yeah. So you can find pictures of J.P. Morgan's grave site very easily online. And if you look it up, there's not really anything there to ransack. It's just kind of granite slabs. J.P. Morgan was married twice. One of his wives is buried with him at Cedar Hill, but the three sons thing is a problem,

mostly because J.P. Morgan only had one son, J.P. Morgan, Jr. Okay. All right. He had three daughters, Larissa, Juliet and Ann, but of his four children, only J.P. Morgan, Jr. and Ann are buried at the family plot in Hartford. Okay.

This guy has just simple facts wrong. So I makes it a little difficult to trust any of the bigger parts of what he's saying, considering he's saying that J.P. Morgan and his three sons grave sites where they stole their bodies, he even have three sons. Yeah. But what are you talking about? That means that we've got an additional element that he needs to explain somehow in his conspiracy theory.

And now I want to find out that J.P. Morgan has two secret kids. Could be. I've tried to look into this. I can find literally no indication that J.P. Morgan and his family's tombs were ransacked and their bodies were stolen. I can't even find conspiracy sites arguing that sort of thing. Why is this guy from?

I don't. Well, he's from Connecticut. You want to know what's up with this dude. Yeah. It is just kind of the problem with how Alex relates to his callers. He has no time left on the show, even though he's an overdrive and could keep going as long as he wants, but he allows this guy to throw out something completely unfounded and insane while leaving himself no time to respond, except for with a weird groan.

You can't operate like this, especially when Alex fancies himself and he talks about it a lot, about like, I get so much information from you all, the callers of the brain trust. They turn me on to these stories and gun bills that I didn't even know were happening. You've got a caller calling in saying that this JP Morgan grave robbery happened. You have no time for him to articulate or get into the specifics of it. It's just left hanging there with no like, if I were Alex, I had one second left and that guy said that I'd like bullshit or nope. Nope.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, I cannot hang. You have a duty. We have been doing this for so many years. I've heard so many callers and I have never wanted to know what any of them had to say. And the one time I do, oh, and if you consider to that, like he vamps almost this entire episode, if this caller had just been allowed some of that time, but he's rambling about Japanese poop bars, we could have maybe figured out what is the conspiracy?

What's the plan? I don't know. Now, obviously the conspiracy is so much better when I'm writing what he might think. Right. That, of course, is going to be better because the real conspiracy was probably going to be a massive disappointment. Probably, but it is more fun if it is like they needed a diversion in order to pull off the Italian job on his tomb or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. It is more fun and that's probably, you're right. It's probably not what he was thinking. Right. But I want to know. So this might be a cliffhanger. Such a fucking perfect bit. When we come back to 2013 on March 29th, will we find it?

No, no, probably not. Almost certainly not. Never. No, probably not. We are all going to die wondering what happened to J.P. Morgan and his two fake sons. Yeah, I think, I think that is something, a mystery that will go unsolved for history. Yep.

So I think that what we have here is a massive departure point. Like I think, I think we have a sea change. And I base that on, first of all, Steve Pochanik's in play. Yeah. He wants to come back. He'll be back very soon, I'm sure. Oh, of course. He has a message to disseminate and that is that Susan Collins existence proves that there

were crisis actors at Sandy Hook. Also, I want to know how much he got for ghostwriting one of those Tom Clancy. I would like to know that. Yeah, I could use a little. So I think, I think Steve being on is big. And then I also think that the fact that he says these things and Alex doesn't push back on them is big. Yeah.

Because if Alex had a moral and intellectual consistency, what we've seen so far is at least a version to the actor's narrative. He scolded that caller who brought up the idea that Robbie Parker was an actor. He's like, you can't say that about someone who's grieving their child's death. There was a repulsion about it initially. When he had Paul Joseph Watson interview, James Tracy, there was an attempt to distance and like interview the guy about what he believes, but not be associated with. Now here on March 27th, you see almost complete acceptance of it.

And partially it's because Alex knows Steve, maybe he doesn't take it as just some crazy idea that's being presented. There's the gravitas of Steve Pachanik behind it, which is a mess. Well, I mean, in this time period, Steve's got him fucking hypnotized practically, right? I don't know. I mean, he probably has like a real air of credibility at very least. Like I don't think Alex has any reason to suspect him like he does in the present day. Well, in 2015, when we were going through all of that, it seemed like Pachanik was on every

goddamn day and not every day, but a lot. And he was the barns of 2015 and he was fueling a lot of Alex's shift to Trump with his narratives about the counter coup and what have you. I think, I think low key. I don't know. I mean, we have to see what happens in the future and how quickly Alex makes that jump. Yeah. But I do, I do think that what we could, what we can see publicly here,

it definitely feels like I need those emails to like, I very much hope that that Sandy Hook lawsuit involves release of the Steve Pachanik emails. I don't think we're, I don't think we have standing to file an amicus brief or something along those lines. Certainly not. I don't think that's going to work for us. No, but it just, it just, it feels, it feels like this is it. It feels like this is the jump off.

Yeah. And we'll see, we'll see. I'm more excited and anxious than ever based on like, we only have like two weeks left before the Boston bombing. Yeah. And Alex's narrative has taken a drastic step before this. Yeah. How much is that going to come into play?

How far is he going to go down the Sandy Hook crisis sectors path before the Boston bombing? And then how is that going to inform his coverage of the bombing? Right. Like, I just see this as such a disaster unfolding in front of me. Like that is unnecessary. It is based on terrible sourcing. Yep. It's based on just, I mean, everything is as bad as Japanese poop bars in terms of,

or even American poop bars in terms of being grounded. Oh, I was going to say, because they're not that bad. I mean, grounding in reality. None of this is real. All of this is going to drink. I mean, yeah, that one, that one, that one broke your back. Huh?

A little bit. That was the one where it's like, we're, we're done with this. Yep. I don't know. I'm more excited than ever to see where this goes, but I also dread. I mean, in this situation, I halfway expected his next episode to be like, you know what? I got some new information.

It absolutely did happen. It's 100% real. And then the Boston bombing happens. And he's like, that one's fake too. I never said it was real. His next two weeks are just like, fuck Steve Pacheco. He's a lying sack of shit.

Boston bombing happens. He's like, I got Steve. I got Steve as the, yep, yep. I never said he was bad. That was you who said that. Yeah. I don't know. Expect the unexpected.

Nothing ever turns out how it appears, but the appearance of Steve Pachanik being very essentially related to this, I think is born out. Yeah. That's crucial. So I will pat myself on the back ever so slightly for that prediction being correct for today. Right. I will tentatively have to retract that padding on the back. Once more information comes to the service.

But we'll be back on Wednesday, but until then we have a website. We do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yeah, it is. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight in the act go to bed Jordan. Yeah. We're also on Facebook.

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01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,080 From there at the dirty drop box, you're going to want to download those three files. All of them.exe. So if you have a Mac, you're not going to be able to listen to our show. They're labeled JPMorgan son one, two and three. Damn it. You guys. Oh, damn it.

I didn't know that's where you were going. Perfect. That was perfect. Was that where you were going? Yeah. Oh, okay. Sorry. That was amazing.

I felt like it was either going that way or a Japanese vending machine. Yeah. One of the two. I was, I was really trying to avoid the whole poop bar thing. The three files will give you the coordinates of the vending machine in Japan. We've been doing it. We've been talking to each other for too long. Possibly.

So we'll be back, but until then, I'm Nio. I'm Leo. I am the Jesus lizard. Andy and Chams. This year on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

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