Knowledge Fight - #352: April 17, 2013

Episode Date: October 7, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan look back to the past to examine how The Alex Jones Show covered the Boston Bombing. In this episode, Alex uses stuff Paul Joseph Watson found on 4chan to entirely crack the case and identify people he decides are the culprits of the attack. Also, Steve Pieczenik shows up to commit treason on air.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge I'm a huge fan and love your work knowledge fight knowledge fight I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. We're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex surname Jones. I indeed we are. Whoops. Words are what's going on. Oh not too much. Dan good. Just a quick question. Oh just quick one. Yeah. No big deal. What was the last thing you volunteered for? I volunteered to let you do the show on Friday. There we go. All right. You actually didn't volunteer. You resisted slightly. I did not resist. That's very rude of you to and I bet

that's your perception but that's not actually accurate in any way. I was thrilled and I'm glad that people enjoyed it. I don't know the last time I volunteered for something. Yeah. I need to do more of that. I'm very busy. Yeah. I used to volunteer at like food pantries when I was a bit younger but you know you get busy with your life. Yeah. It's tough. Then in that case have you ever been part of a strike or I threatened to unionize the movie theater that I worked at when I was like 17 and you're like you will be fired immediately. I don't understand the ramifications of any of this. So okay. I will not do that. I've not I've not struck in. I've also not crossed picket lines though too. You haven't

crossed it. Good. Good. You know Scab? No. Would you cross the picket line? No. I would strike with people if I were in a situation to like if I were in a job that you know was had strike capabilities. Sure. Yeah. Or that was the situation we found ourselves in as right. Right. I would and I would join a unionization effort if I were in that situation not as a 17 year old working for minimum wage in a movie theater. Right. Right. Right. Right. But that would have been great. If you had successfully done that that would have been you would have been a hero to many. Yeah. Possibly. But I don't know what it would have done because there was I don't think there actually was you know there's no money in movie. I don't think there was a union that like concessionists

could have even joined the projectionists. They've got a union. Yeah. Yeah. But the union as I understood it back then was mostly for the people who run like the large projectors. Yeah. Like the ones that are at like IMAX theaters. There are some projectors that are still like fairly dangerous. Yeah. To use. And those are the ones that could cause a problem in inglorious bastards. Yeah. Like that kind of issue. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas the ones we were working with were I mean they were still actual film and you're still threading it through a projector and everything. It's still specialized work. It was still pretty difficult but it wasn't nearly the level of some of those like giant. Right. Right. Right. I don't know. I was I was full

of piss and vinegar and thought I was it would have been great. Yeah. It really would have been great. It probably would have been. I guess I don't know enough about volunteering and probably should do more about that. I'm going to write that down because I think it's a rewarding thing. I have a little bit of time. I probably should if I'm going to put it anywhere I probably should explore those opportunities. But I do know a lot about Alex Jones and I only know what you tell me. I volunteered a lot of space in my brain to this dump dump. That's for sure. That's nice. So Jordan today we're back in 2013. We're looking at the days after the Boston bombing as a way of continuing our exploration of Alex's coverage after Sandy

Hook. Right. On our last episode we went over the day of and the day after the bombing and today we are just going over April 17th. Oh that means that there's a lot of shit that goes down. There is a lot. In fact here is Alex Jones expressing this day. Ladies and gentlemen this is the craziest day of my life. I don't think that he's very far off. Okay. Today's episode is completely insane. Okay. It'll take us places I never expected to find. Of course. And things that have nothing to do with a lot of the things that I thought I was looking for but we'll get to that as we get to it. But before we jump into any of that I got to give a shout out to some people who have signed up and are sporting the show. So first of all Drew thank you so much.

You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you Drew. Next best. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Is that big body best. What does that mean. That is a cohort of action. Oh I don't believe so. But if it is shout out. It's hilarious how bad he is. But that's fun. Don't talk bad about a big body best. It is. It's hilarious. All right. Next Tyler. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Tyler. Next Chris. Another Chris. Is that Tyler the creator. Never mind. The Chris conspiracy. The conspiracy of Chris's. Yes. Is coming together. So thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much Chris. And next apoco priest. Thank you so much. You are now a policy

wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you apoco priest. Is that a little priest. It's one word. It's oh okay. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's a meme that someone's probably we're getting memed a lot these days. Don't give a shit. I have no idea what anything means. It is fun to be old now. Yeah. Then finally like to give a shout out to a couple of people who signed up on a little bit of an elevated level. We appreciate it very much. So first of all, powhime button and Augie. That's one. That's one. Okay. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat and monkey nexus overdrive. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson.

All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much. Powhime button and Augie and monkey nexus overdrive. Which is undoubtedly a meme. I'm surprised we haven't gotten the super karate monkey death cars considering everybody knows we love news radio so much. That is true. Yeah. One day. One sweet day. Again, we're talking about a show from the 90s. Coming up on 25 years old back when Joe Rogan was not Joe Rogan back when it was on the A and each back when Andy Dick was employable by a major network. Oh yeah. Back before Dave Foley became very sad publicly. Oh yeah. Maybe he kind of was already

back when Phil Hartman was alive. Anyway, April 17. How's it going to Grand Prix? So the 17th is a crazy, crazy day and there's a lot of stuff going on and I'm going to get to another cinematic dramatic breakdown of the world to set the stage. Okay. But before I do, I want to point something out and that is that on this episode, Alex Jones has a catchphrase. He is saying that everything is unprecedented. Oh boy. He says it over and over and over again. Right. Like it seems like almost an intentional thing on his part and here's a super cut of him saying this is unprecedented. This is unprecedented. Unprecedented. I mean, this is unprecedented. Jamie, this is unprecedented. This is unprecedented. This is unprecedented. I mean, this is unprecedented.

This is unprecedented. I'm not certain I got all of them. We got up to eight? At least. I haven't said unprecedented in three weeks, let alone three hours. I'm pretty sure I missed some of them too, quite frankly. So he's in a real fucked up headspace about how unprecedented everything that's going on is. Right, which makes me think that everything is very precedented. Well, I mean, what he's doing is lying and there's this very strong precedent for that. Oh, and also before we get real into this, I want to just say like Alex had llamas in studio last week in the present day and everyone got like tricked by that. Like all the people who were posting like screenshots of Alex with llamas, even if you're making fun of him, if you listen to the video of that,

he's talking about how this is going to amplify his ratings in the middle of having llamas in studio. He's talking about like, I want one of them to spit on me because it'll go mega viral. Everybody, you know, it's just you're all amplifying exactly not you like, yeah, individuals who might have enjoyed the tweets that people are putting out or anything like that. And I don't know how much of it is really detrimental to mock him for it if you have a high profile account or whatever. But you should know that you did exactly what he wanted you to do. He wanted publicity. You gave him free publicity. It's very easy to see how like, though some of these making it go viral, putting it out there, even the memes of him with a llama,

like, you could fuck around and accidentally give him like, 10s of 1000s of dollars of free traffic to his website that could translate into sales. Like it's whatever he was doing is pathetic and sad. It's a desperate attempt to get attention, but it worked. So we're not going to be covering that now other than to say congratulations, Alex. You're you're trolled folks. You're a llama man now. Whatever I do was watching that though and the llamas are very cute llamas are very cute. Yeah, but they're they're a little aggressive. Yeah, and uncontrollable. He couldn't get them to do anything. That's not a surprise. No, he's not a llama wrangler by trade. Nope. He's sitting there at his desk and like in between him and the camera is a llama just chewing.

Anyway, okay, down to business. All right. On our last episode, Jordan, we witnessed Alex manufacture and manipulate headlines, comments and a family guy episode in order to defend his feeling that the media would blame patriots and quotes for the Boston bombing. And we saw him start to craft this narrative in the literal minutes after he became aware of the tragedy. As I discussed on that last episode, by the time we went off air on the 16th, there was not a lot of information available about what had happened other than the obvious. Right. The FBI and police were following up on leads and investigating. But in terms of confirmed details, there was very little to go on. It had been announced that the bombs were

pressure cookers. It had been announced that the reports of a Saudi national who is detained were possibly misleading and that that person was not involved in the bombing. Beyond that, there wasn't much. As we begin on the 17th, there's still not a whole lot of credible information that's being reported. By the end of the day, it was reported that the FBI had an image of a potential suspect who was seen carrying a backpack and dropping it off in the area of the second bomb where it was. That happens by the end of the day, but they had not released that image. April 17th is a very important day in the fallout of the bombing. We had reached out now two full days after the attack, and still there was a lack of credible information about

who did it, why they did it, and any real indications that the authorities were any closer to making arrests than they were 24 hours prior. In this environment of outrageous tension, two very critical things happened. The first was that the silence of information was easily overwhelmed by the growing volume of baseless speculation and bullshit coming out of alternative sources. While it stopped short of credible outlets repeating internet rumors, people were reaching a point where they needed answers, and when the mainstream isn't providing them, they started to look elsewhere. People got a lot of traffic out of baseless conjecture surrounding this event. It's a fun little aspect of humanity that it doesn't matter who you are. It's just

hardwired into us of like, I need to make sense of this. I can't just have this be something that's a mystery. Yeah, and no matter how many times you tell yourself, like obviously the investigators and detectives who are working on this no more, but they can't put that information out because it might ruin the possibility of them being able to carry through the investigation. You can't tell your brain doesn't allow you to accept that because it's unsatisfying. You want to know the answer, and when people are willing to give you the wrong answer, you'll gravitate towards that. Now that's one element that's happening. The noise of the alternative folk on places like Reddit and 4chan putting out this bogus nonsense, it starts to amplify considerably

on the 17th. The second thing is that while the alternative media like Alex and these dumb dumb blogs, they were striking while the iron was hot and drawing in massive amounts of attention for people who just needed to hear something, anything, anything at all. In that same time, the mainstream media made critical errors in their drive to be the first to report things. We'll go over some of that as we go along, but both groups, the alternative media and the mainstream media were driven by the same impulse to be the first outlet to report important information about a major story, and the results were disastrous. By the time Alex gets off air on the 17th, we're no closer to having really any real concrete information. The FBI is announced by

that point that they have a photo of the suspects, like I said, but they still haven't released it. However, while the real world public is no closer to knowing what happened at the marathon by this point, the same cannot be said for Alex. In this episode, we'll see him take his certainty that the bombing was a false flag, which he determined in seconds, and over the course of this broadcast, he'll transform it into so much more. He'll find the people he decides are the culprits, he'll point out private citizens he's decided are the patsies who the globalists are going to pin the bombing on, he'll discover the motive for the bombing, and in the process, he's likely party to the commission of a federal offense on air. Every day in the stretch of 2013 that we're on right now

is not good. I thought that the bombing would be the worst of it, and I was shocked at how much of a monster Alex was on the 15th and 16th, but I'm very comfortable saying that he outdoes himself by a considerable margin on the 17th. He's legitimately the worst. I can think of very few things he could be doing at this point that would be worse than what he's consciously and willingly doing on this episode. Writing the Boston bombing fanfiction, I guess. It's unprecedented, the levels of monstrosity. Unprecedented. Yeah. So we're gonna start here at the beginning of the episode. Alex is sort of laying it out that, hey, the media is telling you these things, because they think they're talking to idiots. Right. Whereas I, Alex Jones, know. I am talking

to idiots. They're targeting an audience of emotional nincompoops. And those of us that know the game, I mean, it's like watching football in one 100th speed and having the playbook. Okay, they just gave this call. That's a code for this. He's gonna run the wishbone. Okay, he's gonna throw to that. I mean, this is 100%. And I'm here and I'm working around the clock, not because I'm a hero, but because we have no future if we don't beat this. I did three hours at Coast to Coast AM. Then I slept for two hours. I did an hour plus with Opie and Anthony this morning. So now we can add Coast to Coast AM and Opie and Anthony as enablers of Alex Jones and this, this bullshit that he's disseminating

in a very tense time. Jesus. I would feel that everybody, even if you want to get ratings by throwing Alex on your show being, you're, you're being very irresponsible. Oh God. And I thought that Opie and Anthony were above reproached in. I thought they were. Hey, let's get Louis CK to say the N word. Isn't that fun? Hey, all right. This is great. Hey, comedy. Hey, I can't wait for Jim Norton to take over. So in that sense, it kind of makes sense that they'd have Alex on. Yeah. Yeah. He is a bad person and they did elevate him to truth tellers. And the fact that Anthony ends up becoming a fourth hour host on info wars. What? Yeah. Anthony Cumeo was one of the fourth hour hosts after he got fired.

No shit. Yeah. Oh my God. After Opie and Anthony fell apart, he set up his own studio and all that. And then he also did the fourth hour with Alex. So that kind of makes sense. Everything tracks, but it should be pointed out that they, at that point were a very popular radio show that ostensibly was just like, Hey, we're talking to comics about edgy shit. Yeah. And we, we did, we go there. We're trying to sell tickets for the comics, basically. And the way they went there was allowing Alex to further spread this irresponsible, horrible shit that he's saying in the aftermath of the bombing. So they should probably, I mean, they never would, but they should like really

feel ashamed of that. And so should George Norrie and Coast to Coast Day. They, they're a part of this. Even if we're not going over the episodes that they're on, Alex is on those shows, just know that you're helping this get out. So anyway, Alex believes that all the media, all they're doing is trying to demonize the Patriots as we saw on our last episode in 2013. We saw that that is his number one talking point. And of course he sticks with it. Everything about this, the preconditioning, the rollout, all of it just screams branding, branding, branding, demonize the Patriots, flip Homeland Security against libertarian gun owners, conservatives. I mean, I've been telling you every day and, and bare minimum, they've

provocateur some mentally ill person. They're now coming out and saying, Yes, it's, we now believe it'll be a domestic group and a right winger. Michael Moore, Chris Matthews, Salon, let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white person, officials, Boston bombing likely carried out by domestic terrorists, not Al Qaeda. And then see when of course that comes out, they'll all be, see, we predicted it. Southern Poverty Law Center a month before said a new Oklahoma city is imminent. So I guess Michael Moore speaks for the entirety of the media. It does sound right, which is so consistent in Alex's career. He's like, take a comment by Michael Moore, and that's what everybody's saying. Yep. That's sad. Everybody,

everybody. Hey, you know what, take a comment by Bill Maher, and then you've got the flavor of the nation. That's what you got. That officials think it's a domestic terror. It's the same thing we went over on the last episode. So we don't need to go into that. But this salon article is new that he brought up the one that let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American. Right. That is a real headline. Yeah, I remember that. However, Alex is not engaging with the content of that article at all. What? That piece was written by David Sarota. And his overarching point is that the identity of the perpetrator of the bombing will likely dictate how the American government responds to it. And the best case scenario for world peace is that it turns out

to be a white American from so they won't do anything about it right from the article quote in the context of terrorist attacks such white male privilege means white non Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed as representative of not of whole groups and ideologies, but as lone wolf threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters. Meanwhile, non white or developing world terrorism suspects are often reflexively portrayed as representative of larger conspiracies, ideologies and religions that must be dealt with as systemic threats, the kind of potentially requiring everything from law enforcement action to military operations to civil liberties legislation to foreign policy shifts. Sarota goes on to argue that quote,

regardless of your political party affiliation, if you care about everything from stopping war to reducing the defense budget to protecting civil liberties to passing immigration reform, you should hope the bomber was a white domestic terrorist. Why? Because only in that case will privilege work to prevent the Boston attack from potentially undermining progress on those other issues. Yep. That's a pretty fine accurate statement. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. Have we have liberals ever considered taking over DHS and ice and CBP from the inside? We're always against them. Why don't we take over DHS and then focus our shit on domestic white terrorists? I don't know. They're the ones who kill everybody. I mean, I think that attempts, I don't know about

takeover, but I know that like even internally attempts have been made to put that focus on the actual threat that exists. And you've seen what happens. Yeah. We went over when the Mayak report came out how it turned into like a right wing, fury, fury outrage. Right. But what if we didn't listen? See, now that's an interesting, I think they would probably start shooting cops. Right. They're already shooting cops. I think they would do more. They're gonna do more of it anyways. They're fucking crazy. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what the effect of not listening to that backlash would be. I know what like people like Alex and these militia weirdos, I know what their rhetoric indicates it would be. Yeah. But I don't know how much they would follow through

with it. Yeah, that would be interesting to find out considering we've just capitulated to them for the past 40, 30 years. I mean, there is an entire possibility that it's all talk and that nothing would like, but also the flip side is maybe I don't, I don't like, I don't think that people are making their policy decisions based solely on fear of the threats that these folks are making. Yeah. But fear of right wing backlash is why we got to fucking Obamacare and listening to the right wing really turned out well there. Sure. So after that article was published in Salon, it became a big talking point on right wing media. O'Reilly did a segment about it as did every Fox contributor. They were all talking about it on all the talking head shows. And it's something

that Alex is up in arms about. In response, Sarota wrote a follow up titled quote, I still hope the the bomber is a white American where he pointed out that even when complaining about his Salon article, O'Reilly expressed the exact same premise that the article did that if it turns out to be a Muslim terrorist, then the reaction would be severe. But if it turns out to be a white American terrorist, then it will just quote be another stain on American history. That's from O'Reilly. This is really basic stuff. Sarota wasn't saying it was a white domestic terrorist. He was just pointing out that the double standard exists about how the public and the government response to tragedies like this and how if the bomber is white quote, the double standard may prevent

an overreaction to the heinous attacks in Boston. Yeah, you could make a pretty decent argument that this article could come off a little insensitive considering the timing. But publishing it, you know, publishing it on the 17th, it seems like maybe it's like, I don't know. Well, you know, a lot of folks that are still in a state of shock and grief, I would be willing to hear those criticisms and I don't know how correct they are, but I think they're a valid complaint. However, I don't think that I can find too much in the substance of his point that I can take issue with. Ultimately, big picture and most importantly, this article in no way strengthens Alex's argument that the media is blaming right wing quote unquote patriots for

the bombing. The way he's using this is absolutely out of line with what the article actually is. The article literally states we won't blame right wing patriots for this history. We will blame the guy. History has shown that that's not the response. So initially I thought that, you know, the official Boston bombing likely carried out by domestic terrorists. Right. I initially thought that that was actually just the same thing we talked about last episode because it's very similar. But I decided to actually look into it. Okay. And it turns out that what this is, is a headline on info wars. Okay. Written by Paul Joseph Watson. Sure. So it's not really real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Naturally. In the article, Paul quotes Richard

dyslorious, who was the Boston F in the Boston FBI office, and I'm certainly mispronouncing his name. dyslorious was talking about a video they had of the suspect and said quote, the person who did this was someone's friend, neighbor and coworker, which Paul says is quote, ruling out the possibility that the attack was carried out by foreigners who entered the US. Sure. Great work, dude. My response to that is to say that that in no way rules out that the attack was carried out by a foreign group. It might rule out the idea that the terrorists just showed up and did the attack like two days later, but it absolutely does not exclude people like who could be here for a while and involved. Terrorists can't have neighbors or friends or family, Dan. Everybody knows that.

Someone who's here for a while and then embedded and then carries out their attack. Like in the Americans. Any of this could be a possibility that is not excluded by this statement. Paul's reasoning is incredibly shitty, but that's Paul for the course. Yeah. Don't ever, ever look at me in the eyes again. The rest of the evidence Paul has is quotes from noted media darlings. Saxby Chambliss. What? My favorite member of Congress. Saxby Chambliss. I actually don't like him much, but he has the best name. Yeah. He does have the best. Saxby Chambliss. Yeah. And Dutch Ruppersberger. They were indicating that there are indications that this was an act of domestic terrorism. Neither of them say it was a right wing extremist,

nor do they even suggest it was a patriot group, just that it would be a domestic group based on the profile of the weapons used and that sort of stuff. It could have been eco-terrorists for God's sake. Sure. We literally don't know anything yet. Right. And the only things that they're saying is that there are indications that it was domestic and that is being taken to mean by people like Alex and Paul Joseph Watson. They're blaming me. Also in this article, he includes tweets from Michael Moore, the king of the media, and Jay Moore, which is to say- What? My response to this is- What? Jay Moore? Who cares? Jay Moore. Jay Moore. Oh boy. Yeah. Look. Hey. Perfectly fine for his time. And that time has passed. 18 years ago. Exactly. He left

to SNL in 2013. The best Paul has other than that is a tweet from an unofficial Twitter account run by someone who works for the U.S. Forest Service saying that they're afraid it's a right wing nut. Right. This quote unquote evidence does not merit an article. If the media were really trying to paint the picture that this was done by right wingers in order to demonize the Patriots, Paul would have way stronger evidence than Jay Moore's Twitter. This is a perfect example of Alex setting the editorial decision that the narrative is that the media is blaming the Patriots, and then his staff has to go out and find anything they can to defend the narrative. No other explanation makes sense. Yeah. Why would it be this thin? Why would the evidence you have

be so scattershot? Sex be chambliss and Jay Moore teaming up to demonize the Patriots. Did it. Done. It's so ridiculous. Done. Yeah. It's what happens when you- This isn't journalism. When you set out to investigate something but you already know the answer and you ignore everything that- It's the same- It's that confirmation bias except weaponized against people. And it's the same thing as the like, I'm going to set out to prove this with my man on the street. Exactly. Yeah. You've already ruined the piece. Yep. And that's all they're doing. That's all this article is. It's really insane. So Alex has, you know, really dumb ideas about everything. Right? Yeah. I think we've established that. Yeah. But I didn't realize that he was educated

in the field. I know he's not. Well, you haven't heard this next book. Okay. And I've also studied a lot of criminology and I don't mean who done it murder mystery books. I mean, I've read PhD level textbooks because it's so fascinating that just cuts down to the hardcore info on how criminals act or how predators act. And let me tell you, they leave calling cards. Everybody knows they brag and they are pathological. They do the same thing over and over and over and over again. I honestly think he might be talking about comic books. Yeah. Like I have a little bit of a Batman feel from- I was thinking Agatha Christie. I was thinking that- Good being Poirot. He doesn't go for the Poirot. He's Belgian. Yeah, that's true. He goes for the murder. Alex thinks he's French.

So the, you know, I love that he's sitting here saying like I read PhD level textbooks and then he says the most 101 shit you would get from any like homicide TV show and kind of like true crime. That's because that's what he's got it. I hate that everybody knows. Here's how you know somebody's a psychopath if they say they're an expert in everything. Oh yeah. If they say they're an expert in everything, fuck off. You're a psychopath. Get the shit out. Why do we even have the psychopath test? Just ask people how many things they're proficient in. Well, just about all of this. Yeah, I think I'm- Get in the box. Get in the box. Get out. Get out. Disqualified. So Alex is saying this because he believes that everything that's happening surrounding the Boston bombing

follows the exact same pattern that has happened with all of the other false flags that he has in the past. So he is now like he sees things that are happening in the world. He's connecting them all together in the same way that after 9 11, there was those anthrax letters that got sent right after the Boston bombing. There were rice and letters that got sent to Obama. Yeah. And so now Alex has decided that he predicted this and what? Okay. This time I said there'll be another bio attack if this is an inside job and Obama and a senator have reportedly been mailed Ryerson now. So there you go. There you go. That's not how you can end that sentence. It's perfect evidence. Alex said that if it's fake, there will be a bio attack. There is a bio attack. Therefore,

Alex is right. He proved it. There you go. And I want to be totally clear. I don't recall Alex saying that there would be a bio attack if this is a false flag. Never heard him say that. In the episodes I've listened to, I don't remember him saying that, although it does sound like something he would say. I'll give him that credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From where I'm saying I have no evidence that he did predict this, but I would believe he might have said it like when he was free associating on the nightly news or maybe on his coast to coast appearance. Yeah, something it's a possibility, but I do not have evidence he predicted it. Either way, it doesn't matter because Alex is full of shit. On April 16th, 2013, letters laced with rice and were sent to President Obama, Mississippi

Senator Roger Wicker and a judge in Mississippi. Yeah, the letters had been sent from an address in Tennessee. And because there was just a giant bombing in Boston, a lot of people made a hasty assumption that the attempts to poison these officials were connected. But guess what? They were not. And this is one of the craziest stories that I will ever tell you, Jordan. You know, America is a big place and a lot of people got a lot of access to grind. So we don't need to always connect to, I don't, I don't know if you know the story behind this. No, I don't. Oh, you're going to enjoy the shit out of it. The way you were nodding really worried me that you knew all this already. No, no, no, no. The only thing is nuts. The only thing that I was thinking is like,

obviously this isn't connected to that because we have a Missouri representative and Mississippi representative and judge. That's personal shit because I've never heard of that Mississippi representative and neither has anybody else. And it ain't sex be shameless. No, it is not. So on the 17th, police arrested Paul Curtis for the crime. He's a firsty firsty. Can't trust him. And investigators immediately were sent down a completely insane rabbit hole. There's a, there's a fantastic investigative piece about this in GQ written by Wells Tower, which I highly recommend. And a lot of this information comes from other sources, other news articles about this and a lot of it also from this GQ piece. I recommend everyone read it

because even as I'm telling you this story, it cannot do justice to all the layers of complete insanity. Right. See, now you got the guy who's arrested, two first names. You got the guy who's writing the investigative piece, two street names. We know who we can trust here, Dan. This makes perfect sense. The basic story is this, the police arrest Curtis for the crime, but in the course of interrogation realized they have got the wrong dude that he does not know anything about the crime that's being described. So they ask him if he has any enemies who might want to try and set him up. And he immediately responds that there is one guy, James Everett Dutchke, who fits that description. Curtis has been a janitor by profession and an Elvis impersonator

by passion. Him and his brother did a duo act where one of them was like younger Elvis and the other was Vegas Elvis. Oh man. So they performed together as dueling Elvis impersonators. That's how, that's how you made his worst enemy. No, no, no, no, not really. That's just a little bit of trivia about him. The media really latched onto that when Curtis was arrested. It's such a personal person or arrested for sending. Of course. Yeah. And that kind of overshadowed a lot of the story. Right. Right. Right. He could have been a rocket scientist, but if he was a clown on the weekend, they'd be like clown murders, man. Right. So in his day job as a janitor, he'd landed a contract to clean the floors at the Northern Mississippi Medical

Center. And through some weird coincidence, he ended up in the morgue one day and saw body parts that really freaked him out. He wasn't authorized to be in the morgue. So he was reprimanded for being there, which he thought was meant to be punishment for him seeing body parts he wasn't supposed to see. Curtis smelled a conspiracy and decided that he'd stumbled into a black market organ harvesting operation. That's the first thing I would think. Absolutely. Yeah. So he started pursuing this conspiracy theory. And naturally, this led to his life falling apart. He began to drink heavily, his marriage fell apart, and he got less gigs as Elvis. And all of this on the true tragedy. Right. And all of this, of course, only led to him pursuing his conspiracy interests

further. Right. He started disseminating messages about his theories online, like on MySpace at the time, and he ended them with his tagline, quote, I am KC and I approve this message. James Everett Dutchke was a local insurance salesman who was also in a local band called Robo Drum, which describes itself as quote, progressive guitar, funk, tronica for smart people. Everyone in this story is played by Robin Williams. Everything is insane. Everything in this story is Robin Williams. More importantly, he ran an alternative newspaper in the same town. Of course he did. So when Curtis heard about this newspaper, he was sure that this is how he was going to be able to get his message out about the organ harvesting thing that he'd stumbled into.

So Curtis accosted Dutchke at a party because Dutchke worked with Curtis's ex-wife in an insurance company. So at a company party, he came along and confronted Curtis Dutchke because Dutchke hadn't responded to his email. Sure. Sure. So he confronts with this party and asks him to run a story about this big scoop. However, Dutchke was not interested since he was in the middle of trying to run for public office. And he felt a story like this would hurt his efforts to get elected, which he ends up not getting elected anyway, should just run the story. It could have solved a lot of problems. No, I think it worked out the right way. So Curtis decided that this dude was a shill and a fraud. Right. Their relationship had started off very sour. Yeah.

Dutchke lost his bid for office. And then the two men embarked on a completely insane online feud where they both accused each other of stalking them. And they're both probably right. Yeah. They're both stalking each other and completely obsessed. And it's starting to sound like a spy versus spy cartoon where it's like both guys are bumbling throughout this entire circumstance. And like the thing that's really awesome is if you read this GQ article, they talk to like Curtis's ex-wife and she's saying like, you guys have so much in common. You guys should be friends. Why are you hating each other? Because the one person that everyone hates the most is themselves. This town is too small for two identical people who want to be performers but

are also crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. So then in January 2013, Dutchke was sentenced to 90 days for indecent exposure. He would stand what he would do is he would stand naked at his window and use a laser pointer to attract the attention of passing school kids. That's a crime. That's way worse than 90 days. Way worse than 90 days for that crime. I would agree. In the process of him trying to appeal this conviction, he was accused of touching three underage girls at the Marshall Art Studio that he ran. Naturally, after this, Curtis started gloating about his rival being arrested online, which really pissed off Dutchke. Well, naturally. So anyway, long story shortish, Dutchke decided to frame Curtis by sending

letters with Rycen and them to the Mississippi Senator Obama and this judge who specifically had sentenced to Curtis to six months in jail prior, like a ways in the past. All right. All right. So, so far, we've all been doing well. And then this plan comes a little bit out of left field. I'm just I'm not saying that it's I wouldn't I wouldn't have expected it somewhere. Escalated pretty hard, but I wouldn't have gone there first. You know, maybe maybe fight, you know, maybe punch him one time. Don't frame him for fucking trying to murder the president. Well, there are some people who suspect that what he was doing was he realized that he was probably going to prison for touching these underage girls and that he could get a heavier

sentence in a different facility if he got caught trying to do this clunky frame up job. And it was actually an effort to not be put in prison primarily as a pedophile. There are some people who think that, but I think that's a little bit too that's that's too mastermind. So you're giving this guy, I'm not the guy. No, I'm saying with this with this theory, you're giving the guy who is in an online feud with an Elvis impersonator who thinks that there's an underground black market organ selling business. You're giving that guy the credit for masterminding his move into a different prison. Like he's fucking a yeah, something along those lines. I don't, I don't, I don't find much credence to that, but then again, like all of it is explained

by just these guys being idiots. But the, one of the reasons that people suspect that he was trying to get caught is that he'd included Curtis's tagline quote, I am KC and I approve this message on the letters that he sent. It was an incredibly clunky frame up job. What was it like on stationery? If you exclude Curtis as having done this, he's the only person who you would look at. The only possible person. So it's, it's clunky, but also if you're just kind of dumb, which he seems like he might be, um, it is the sort of thing that's like, well, this will work. Yeah, you could see very easily someone. Oh yeah. See, look, I signed it with his sign off. Of course,

they're going to assume it's him. Duh. Anyway, in May, 2014, he was sentenced to 25 years in prison for this and he has been very clear. Uh, he's, he's guilty. Yeah. This had nothing to do with the Boston bombing, but if you don't look at information or your journalistic practice is just to pair it off sensationalist bullshit, because you feel like something is the case, you'll end up saying shit like Alex does. Like I predicted there would be a bio attack around this. It's not related. It's, it's, there's a completely insane story behind this. Yeah. And the world is very big. And when you don't have full information, you go off half cocked, you miss the forest for the trees. This is the forest. If he, if he had correctly predicted that an

Elvis impersonator and an insurance agent would get into a fight that would lead to sending rice into the president, then I'm going to believe everything he says forever. And it's really tough to imagine that like you could argue that this was a false flag and they just pinned it on these dudes because they have years. Yeah, it would need to be the most elaborate setup. We've been playing in this. We've got this in the bad in the bank for 20 years, pushed Curtis into the morgue finally, suddenly made it look, made him think that he was stumbling onto this himself. Right. It's insane, but you know it's even crazier in May, 2013, someone else sent Obama a letter with rice and in it. And that was also a plot to set someone up. In that case, Shannon Richardson,

who was an actress who'd been in the walking dead and at the blind side, was going through a divorce. So she decided to frame her husband by sending rice and lighters to the White House. That just makes too much sense. It does. Small rules in those shows. Yeah. Yeah. That plot fell apart a lot quicker and easier than this other one with the Elvis impersonator. Oh, I thought you were going to say the walking dead. But this also had nothing to do with the Boston bombing. People just seem to like sending the president poison to trying to get people they know in trouble. Seems like that's a bit more common than it should be. Yeah. It does. It does have a certain whimsical flair to it, you know, like a, like a romance novel kind of situation.

I love that story. Like I'm glad no one got hurt. Yeah. And also it turns out that like the rice and that this guy, uh, Dutch key cooked up was so impotent that like, even if Obama had opened the letter, he wouldn't like the judge did open the letter. Yeah. And she didn't get sick or anything. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm glad that no one got hurt and I don't want things to escalate like that. Right. But the story of this guy stumbling into a morgue, thinking he's found a conspiracy, finding an alternative paper that won't publish his story, creating a giant online feud. It's unfortunate that it has to get into the public exposure and dojo molestation. Yeah. I wish that wasn't part of the story, but just otherwise it would

be pristine. The human insanity that's behind this is so just, it's such an amazing story. Yeah. You kind of stop believing in cause and effect and start believing in fate. If you have a story that begins with the janitor went into the morgue by accident and years later, the president is poisoned and years later it culminates in rice and letters getting sent to the president at the same time as the Boston bombing. Yeah. Like that is so insane. We're outside of time. Fourth dimensional time. It's all, it's a, we, there's, that's what it is. Everything has been done and will be done and is being done all simultaneously. Right. The world is big. There's a lot of people in it. A lot of them have agendas and situations that they're going through that are not immediately

apparent. And so when you see a story like there's rice and letters sent to the president, it's easy to assume that you know everything about it when you know nothing about it. And Alex knows nothing about it, but he's decided it's very important to include in his narrative. All of this is unfolding and, and so it's a replay where, where they want to get the Patriot act through. They want to get all this unconstitutional stuff through. 9-11 wasn't enough, even though it was all pre-written, that came out. So you have an anthrax attack to the media to scare them to get in line and to keep people in the house and Senate. And now a pro-gun key senator who's been saying he will not vote. He may be the vote on whether this is going to pass the senator or not has received

that confirmed an envelope. The office of a Senator Roger Wicker, Republican Mississippi, included a substance that has tested positive for the toxic substance, Ryerson. So now we get why this has happened, according to Alex. So the very day that this episode is being recorded, the Guardian reported that the Senate voted against the background check amendment 54 to 46. Yeah, whatever plot there was to intimidate Congress into falling in line, certainly didn't have any effect on the real world, probably because it didn't exist. On this very same day, April 17th, the Atlantic ran a story about this gun control measure being shot down that included, quote, Senator Roger Wicker gloated in real time by broadcasting

his vote against one measure on Twitter. Wicker then followed up with a press release going into detail about his decision and helping the too familiar line, quote, I have not and will not support any attempt to infringe or undermine the Constitution's second amendment protections. Right. Doesn't sound like this guy was on the fence. No, no, it sounds like he was, he was already in the bag. Uh huh. Yeah, maybe. What was his NRA voting record? I'm not sure, but all the A plus plus all the scores for like, uh, you know, more left leaning or, uh, civil, uh, rights kind of, uh, not good ratings. I suspect that Alex is misunderstanding a vote from April 11th in order to build up his case that he was on the fence and, you know, because in

that vote, Wicker had voted yay about this legislation, but he wasn't voting on the bill. It was a cloture vote and his yay vote was to end debate and, uh, put the measure up to a formal vote. Yeah. Since a lot of Republicans were trying to hold a filibuster instead, this could be seen as some form of support for the bill, but in reality, 16 Republicans voted the exact same way like our boy sex bechambliss. Hey, uh, Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake. None of them got letters because they weren't in miss Mississippi and weren't the target of this crazy dutch guy. Yeah, I was going to say the moment you have two people in Mississippi and the president, it's like Alex is a personal small scale attack. I don't know if Alex is just intentionally

leaving out the judge or if he hasn't become aware of that. I'm not sure exactly what the situation is, but that should be an important piece of his coverage that's just missing. But anyway, none of these vote other voters who, uh, voted to not have the filibuster and to put this up to a vote, the 16 other Republicans, 15 other Republicans, they didn't get letters. This is just bullshit. Anyway, the letters had nothing to do with any of this. No one changed their tune on gun legislation because of this. Alex is just creating a completely alternate reality for his audience to live in where everything is connected and it's all an elaborate plan to deprive him of his gun. It's childish. It's manipulative and insane how profitable this clearly

is. It's a real messed up. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, I think it's great that that's how everything works. Right? That's good for, that's good for humanity. It's healthy. It's healthy. That's what it is. So Alex on the last episode on the, uh, when we covered the 15th and 16th, one of his major pieces of information was this family guy clip that had been manipulatively edited. Really don't like that sentence. Nope. The episode had been edited to make it appear, uh, from two different parts of the same episode that, uh, uh, Peter Griffin had set off two bombs at the Boston Marathon and killed people. But that was very, uh, inaccurate manipulative editing of the episode as it exists by the 17th. They're a bit backlash to this. And, uh, uh, people were saying, Hey,

you guys are pulling a hoax because they were, and it's on purpose and it's transparent. And Alex is still pushing the family guy thing as being suspicious. And also, if you listen to this clip, it's really interesting how he's creating a straw man out of the, uh, complaints about his coverage of the episode. They openly have tried to overthrow reality. Uh, we're talking about the family guy that's become a big national story. I mean, it's all over the place. The family guy hoax. We edited two different shows together when we didn't and, and, and, and it is real. And, and Seth McFarland comes out and says, how dare us do this when he's the one that made a joke about bombing the Boston marathon. So the, uh, turban, the cowboy, the, the tea party guy that joins the

Taliban, see that narrative and all the shows and movies. He bombs it with the Taliban. I mean, and Fox admits in the AP, it's a real episode. They've deleted it remotely off Teavos. Memory hold it. There's that news. And then meanwhile, other news still keeps saying it's not real. And it's a hoax. I mean, that's how dumb they think you are. No one's saying the episode isn't real. Right. Some people did have a misunderstanding from what I understand that it was from two different shows, but it was from the same show. I would argue is fine. Yeah. Like that criticism still stands. Even if you're wrong about it being two different episodes, the way family guy works is there's so many non sequitur jokes. Yeah. So many cutaway jokes that

are completely unrelated to anything else. And that's what is being misrepresented here. One joke from the beginning of the episode, uh, uh, that's a flashback is being combined with the culmination of the main plot. And that is just, you might as well be using two different episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's the same episode and whatever. Who cares? Oh, all Alex is doing is intentionally misunderstanding the criticisms that are being used against him in order to be like, they're trying to say that I'm, we're wrong about what they're saying. The episode doesn't exist. No, people are saying that you are misleading people into thinking that the episode included Peter bombing the marathon. And there was only one reason to do that.

Yeah. I understand why in this time period, uh, until before we have any, uh, information that people would even engage with this whole family guy thing. It's it cause everybody's on kind of a high alert situation. Everybody is trying to fill the blanks in. And so naturally there's going to be hoaxes and then an incredible backlash to hoaxes and all of that shit. But now I just can't help but think, shut the fuck up. It's a family guy episode. Go away. Well, I mean, it's the same thing. It's the same thing that a lot of people got a lot of, uh, traffic and attention online by all of these, like this predicted 9-11, like Spider-Man, the trailer for Spider-Man at the Twin Towers. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. Shut the fuck up. There were 100

things like that. And it's because that really appeals to people's mind when you're trying to make sense of things. The idea that this existed in media before, uh, or whatever, uh, fold the dollar bill right and you got the towers getting hit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All that sort of stuff is real. It hits some sort of lizard brain thing that you didn't have. Um, and it's kind of a hijacking of, of your base brain. Yeah. I understand why it's popular. I get why Alex is, is really into this, but if he were dealing with things in a real way, he would deal with the actual criticism that like these are different parts of the episode. Right. Right. I understand that the clip that we put out made it appear that, uh, Peter uses a phone to detonate bombs at the marathon.

That's not in the episode, but isn't it strange that the Boston marathon and a bombing exist in the same episode of Family Guy? Yeah. Yeah. If you made his argument, honestly, it would be diminishing returns. Right. People would be like, yeah, it is a little weird. Uh, yeah. Yeah. He needs to lie in order to make it mean anything. Yeah. And that by itself, that behavior is indicative of dishonesty. Yeah. So I, I, I, the Homer Simpson quote is evergreen. I'm Neo Leo. No, no, no. Get out of here. This is not the end of the show. Uh, no, that just cause I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. I think about that quote all the time. And Alex doesn't care about the truth, but he probably understands he's lying. You got it. So, uh, this next clip,

Alex starts getting into how like Dan Badandi went down to, uh, Boston and he started yelling the false flag at, uh, press conferences and Alex is still running on the idea that the governor of, uh, Massachusetts, uh, Patrick ended the press conference after he got confronted and right, right. Uh, and you could see in his face, this like the guy who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Right. And Alex starts telling a little story from his past. Okay. And now listen to this story and recognize, first of all, that this probably isn't true. But second, if it is, it indicates a complete disrespect and disregard for the truth that has lingered in Alex's career for decades. Yeah. That's how I caught a bunch of city corruption. Once I told

the story many times, I knew they were doing something. So I walked in and I said, I've got you. I know about the stolen money to the board meeting. And I watched the two people that freaked out in the meeting and I went, yeah, I got you. And then it was just like, just like a cop movie, when, um, what's his name? Colombo, the little guy that goes around and it was just like that. I can just imagine Alex in there. One more thing. One more thing. It's like when a cop goes, I know you've got the drugs under the seat. Oh, I didn't mean to. It's his and I only sent one of them to prison though. People can look that up. Um, John Villarreal, the head of the cable system over there. And again, I wasn't even doing access to TV shows

anymore. Um, and people that put my show on there, it's just that I wasn't going to let them shut it down. And it went high up into the city, but it's a side issue. The point is, is that if no one would have confronted them, it would have been shut down. That was like seven years ago now. And, and it was one of the only cases where people in the city have been convicted of fraud when it's going on everywhere. Just because I was willing to go in and bluff them. He's bluffing. He bluffed a man into prison. Okay. So he bluffs by going into this council meeting is like, I know where the money is. Even if true, you suck. Yeah. So it is true that John Villarreal, a former Austin community TV manager did get sentenced to seven years in prison for

embezzlement. That is definitely because Alex turned him in. I'm not sure I can find any evidence that Alex had anything to do with the arrest investigation, or even like he brought to light any of the allegations against him. This very easily could be a case of Alex taking credit for being the truth teller about something he was in the proximity of long after the events already transpired. I've seen a bit of that in his career. Yep. However, in trying to get to the bottom of this, I stumbled into an archive of media clippings from the Austin Chronicle, many of them about Alex's time at the Austin community TV station. And they paint a pretty interesting portrait of Alex's early days. This has nothing to do with John Villarreal, but I accidentally found some

stuff that I think is pretty interesting. All right. So there's an article about a bunch of suspicious coincidences related to the firings of other ACTV hosts who had issues with Alex. Okay. There are a number of folks who had beef with Alex and they coincidentally... For what? For why? Because he sucked. And there were a bunch of mysterious complaints that ended up getting lodged against them for what's called commercialism, which isn't allowed on the station. Okay. Like it's buzz marketing. Yeah. Alex denied filing the complaints, but some people were not so sure. That article includes a little story about Alex I didn't know. There's another host at ACTV named Christian Side-Hanky. Honk, maybe? I don't know. Okay. And this person had a bit of a beef

with Alex. He apparently attended a rally that Alex was holding to counter his rhetoric. You know, Christian went to counter Alex's rhetoric. And when he arrived home, he got a call from a detective that Alex had accused him of stalking. Sure. Just for showing up to a rally that Alex was holding. Yeah. When Alex was fired from KJFK, he was considering filing a wrongful termination lawsuit against the station. And he went so far as to have Honky deposed because he suspected that Honky had been involved in his firing. You can't keep saying Honky. Honky. There's a harder A in there. I don't know. Hank, I don't know. This didn't turn into anything, but Alex would later almost sue him after he Honky read an email from a news group posting by someone who

worked at JFK on his own show. That email said Alex quote was fired because he was an immature little punk who cries until he gets his way. Yeah, that's that, that tracks tracks. It's an interesting story. And you know, it does paint a picture of Alex trying to use sort of lawfare against people in this early career and trying to get people who he feuded with fired on technicalities. Now, how much of that is provable? I'm not entirely sure, but these people like they're pretty. Yeah, it's him. They're pretty insistent that this, this level of coincidence, like multiple people getting fired for mysterious complaints about commercialism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, uh, it's suspicious. Yeah. It's, it reminds me so much

of geometry where it's like, I know the answer. The answer is this. I can't really show my work yet. I, I can't get there, but you know what the answer is. But there's so much more to these clippings, Jordan. There's a letter to the editor from July 2000, where from someone who was at the dedication of the rebuilt chapel at Mount Carmel for the branch divisions. Alex was involved in getting the building restored and had been in charge of the memorial event. And as I read this to you, I want you to remember that Alex, one of the biggest things in his early career was the rebuilding of the branch division church. Yeah. He made a giant name for himself, uh, going out, advocating for this. Uh, he is always in his early days been so about Waco. Yeah. And so into, like,

championing for these people. Right. So one of the ministers, 12 year old daughter, uh, uh, named Angie, uh, was prepared, had prepared a celebratory dance for that memorial event. And while I'm just going to read to you here from this letter to the editor, quote, even angels were moved by Angie's performance. She adorned a white chiffon dress with gold trim that floated in the air. Angie was a gift from heaven that afternoon. Alex gave her last place on the agenda around 4pm after most everyone had left, including the media. Earlier that memorial, uh, day, I heard Alex tell Angie's father that there was no time for her dance. I watched tears come to Charles's eyes. How was he going to tell his beloved daughter? There was no time to give the gift. He hurried out of the

chapel. There was time for Alex to scream hatred and venom, but there was no time for Angie's dance. No time for beauty. That's what he did to the people that he was supposedly championing. Yeah. That's the amount of consideration that he gave. He turned this event into being about him. Right. Instead of this, this child who had come up with an interpretive dance. No, that sounds so much like Alex. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I get that. But also, I too don't give a shit about that 12 year olds dance. I care about the 12 year old. I know, but I don't think there's a difference of opinion. I'm just saying I'm not going to watch 12 year old dance. I understand that. But you know how much it would mean to the people. Right. And how much that is in line with, you know, folks who

don't know, I get it. It's not for me. Right. But it should be right in line with what Alex was trying to bring. Right. Right. Right. Like that should be the center of this, as opposed to Alex screaming about the government and all this shit. Yeah. Yeah. He turned that into like a stump speech for himself, a publicity stunt for his own industry and his own business. Right. Now, I understand. But doesn't that fit within the branch Davidian in reality? None of that is important. Right. None of that is important. Right. It's what is important is Alex prioritizing himself over the people that he's supposedly there to help. Always. And so it turns out that's been the case for a very long time. I can find zero evidence in all these archives that Alex had anything to

do with John Villarreal's case. By 2006, when this all went down, Alex was well past his public access days. And based on the information that's available about that time in his life, it seems like someone would have talked about it by now, like all the people who were working at the station, who've come out and talked about how big a piece of shit Alex was all that. Someone would have mentioned that he was involved in cracking the case open by barging into a meeting and bluffing everybody with accusations of malfeasance. Yeah, I'm going to go with that doesn't sound true. I rate this story total bullshit. Can't prove it, but this doesn't make sense. Yeah. So we get back to Alex talking about the Boston bombing stuff. And in this clip, he talks about

how he knew all along everything that's happening. Like he's predicted all this. He predicted the rice and letters. Sure. He predicted the right way. The media is going to blame right wingers. Of course. None of this seems to actually be the case, but he's calling all of his predictions correct. And I thought this even a few days ago, right when it first happened, they're not going to announce right away, they're going to wet the appetite. And then they're going to gauge, do we go with a Muslim patsy in negotiations with Iran right now that are going on? Or do we go with a right wing patsy? Oh, we can blame that's what they've been gearing up for. That's where I think it's been going. And it looks like it is going in that direction now,

because that's where the pre-programming and the media was. I mean, it's not hard to figure this out. Like if you hear a motorcycle coming down the road, you hear it first. That sounds like a motorcycle. Yeah, it's a motorcycle. I mean, here's somebody playing the drums. That sounds like drums. Yeah, okay. Somebody rounds the corner playing drums. I mean, this is- A lot of times you hear geese quacking before honking. That is a proper word before they come flying over. Alex is trying to buzz market that, uh, that goose game that, uh, that, uh, back in the past, he knew in 2019, there would be a switch game where you play as a goose. Yeah. Uh, he's buzz marketing. The untitled goose game or whatever. Yeah.

When you're out there with your 10 gauge, you're calling them in, you hear the honking. A lot of honking. I mean, I heard the honking around the block. I mean, I was like, I said, drums, drums, drums in the deep a few months ago, every day for a week. I said, they're going to stage a terror attack. Drums, drums, drums in the deep. They are coming. Wait, did you just- The drums? I mean, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Did you just, Lord of the Rings, did you see the light coming around the passage? Did he just fell the ship? Okay, here they come. Okay, any minute now. Okay. Oh my gosh, it's cresting. Get ready. That morning. Get ready. Get ready. I feel a disturbance. Boom. In come the goblins.

So Alex is a psychic. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, uh, so the Boston bombing is the bow rock then? Yes. Okay. As far as I know, like I said, I have no indication that Alex said that if this is a false flag, they would release a bio weapon. He repeatedly predicted that the globalists were going to nuke Chicago. He did do that. That was pretty consistent, but I don't recall hearing this prediction at all that he's saying. I suspect that he didn't make this prediction, mostly because of this clip that we just heard. Alex absolutely did not say on his show that they would wait a few days while they figure out which Patsy to bring out. Now, did he internally suspect that might be the case? I can believe that's possible, but he absolutely did not say

anything even close to this in the time after the bombing. I can be very confident of that. I believe that what Alex is doing is engaging in a practice that's known as post addiction, the opposite of prediction. This is when an event happens and a supposed prognosticator, the sort of massage variables, uh, about their prior claims so as to make them fit the actual event that they're claiming to have predicted. This is closely related to what's known as the hindsight bias. Studies have been done where participants have been asked to predict which outcomes they believe are likely to happen about upcoming events. One of the more notable examples of this was researchers asking people about Nixon's trips to China and the USSR.

Yeah. After the events happened, they're asked to remember what their initial predictions were and people consistently show heavy skewing towards thinking that their predictions were more in line with what actually happened after the fact. I see a very high level of hindsight bias and Alex's coverage here on the 17th. He's already decided with no evidence that this is a false flag. He's already decided again with no evidence that they're either going to have a right wing Patsy or a Islamic Patsy who is still only being blamed, uh, in order to take right wing people's guns away. This completely manufactured reality is being propped up by his insistence that he predicted all of these variables. He thinks he predicted a bio weapon attack,

which I don't see any evidence he did. And those rice and letters are completely unrelated to the bombing. He thinks he predicted that they wouldn't find a suspect immediately, but I don't see any evidence of that either. What I do see evidence of is completely failed predictions Alex has made. One of them is that the globalists are going to blame the patriots and use this to take his guns. Since we're in 2019, we know that this prediction is complete shit. That didn't happen. Nope. Another prediction was the nuking of Chicago or one of the other cities he named. Notably, not Boston was not one of the cities he named. He was way off about everything, but he's passing himself off as a profit based on sort of, uh, fudging the details a little bit.

There's an interesting element to hindsight bias, which I found in a 2011 article in the Journal of Experimental Psychology, Learning Memory and Cognition. Quote, hindsight bias provides the illusion of understanding the past and can result in a failure to learn from the past. This is a pretty common point made by researchers who study memory. The less conscious you are about your experiences in life, the more likely you are to fall prey to cognitive biases like this. And the end result of that is that you never learn from your experiences. God, I think, I always think that people who research that shit and like historians are the most frustrated people on the planet. Super depressing. Every time they're like, no, you're doing it again. Yeah. And you're

not listening to me. I'm the guy who knows not to do this. Right. If Alex were a honest actor in this situation and he were like straight up and not trying to manipulate people, I would say that what he's doing is self destructive and self defeating because he's disallowing the possibility that he can reflect and think about like, I said that they are going to nuke Boston and I was wrong or I said Chicago is going to get nuked. I was wrong about that. What can I learn from those mistakes that I made along the way and get better? But because he's just a rank manipulator, none of this matters. But for other people, this is an important thing to consider about about stuff. No, if I was, if I was the president, like I would create a new cabinet

position of just the historian who tells me when I'm doing dumb shit. Right. That's all he's, that's all the look out man. Yeah. Barbara Tuckman. Let's have her right there. And she's like, Hey, we've done this before. And I'm like, cool. Let's not do it. They're armed with like a air horn. This is a bad idea. Oh, no, my secretary of defense, Rumsfeld says it's a great idea. Got to ring the history horn. Yeah, there's a bell. Yeah. So on our, when we were looking at the 16th, Alex was saying that Stuart Rhodes or the Oath Keepers was going to be on because they were going down to Lexington Green in order to hold their annual oath renewal ceremony that they do around the time of the revolution fucking cosplaying idiots. I hate them so much. It's a

mess. He did not show up on the 16th probably because he was driving, but he will show up later on this episode. And there's big news about the Oath Keepers and their planned event. This next piece before I get into all the other news. They have banned. They've done this several years in a row. We've gone and shot film of it to put in our, you know, documentaries like Fall of the Republic. Oath Keepers, that constitutional lawyer, Ron Paul, staffer, veteran, Stuart Rhodes is coming on later. They go to Lexington Green to have their Oath Keeper event and a lot of different groups, you know, get it for an hour here and there. And we've gone and filmed it before. You've seen some of that footage.

Stuart Rhodes, they were given the word. And when we're going to break this at info wars.com, they were told by the by the city that that that that because Oath Keepers is now considered an extremist group by the Southern Property Law Center, and that they don't want to have any quote white nationals. Now you have to under the First Amendment, let the Ku Klux Klan go have a rally. But but there's nothing racial about Oath Keepers and you know, why did you bring up the mothers of Mexican. But it doesn't matter now you see all conservatives are now racist as MSNBC has said, all gun owners are racist and terrorist. There's a bit of factual problems here. So it is true that the permit was suspended for the Oath Keepers rally that was going to happen.

You know, that is true, but it ultimately doesn't matter. They held the rally on Friday the 19th anyway, and didn't get any trouble about it. Yeah, the Oath Keepers were not specifically targeted to have their permits suspended, as Alex is suggesting here. The select men of Lexington had voted to place a two week moratorium on public gatherings. Well, because there was a bomber on the loose, I don't just attacked a large public gathering. Now that doesn't make any sense. The feeling was, Hey, maybe it's best for us not to have any large public gatherings until this thing is sorted out. And you can pretty easily see the decision making process that would go into this. Yeah, it does seem like a very linear process. Yeah, I think the town council did

what they thought was right here and what was best. But ultimately, it just played into the Oath Keepers hands and allowed them to amplify their victim narratives. There were tons of events whose permits were suspended. I mean, it was fucking Lexington in April. That place was probably swimming with really depressed reenactors who didn't get to do their their war reenactments. But Alex and Stuart Rhodes don't care about the larger picture when there's a possibility to make this about them being singled out because the globalists hate conservatives. And that's not the case at all. And honestly, when I was reflecting on this, I thought about it. I thought like, Well, I think this played out exactly how it should have. Now, I think the selectmen of Lexington

did the right thing in terms of like, Well, our goal is to try and protect the public. Yeah. And if there is a bomber on the loose, multiple bombers possibly, and they have attacked a large public gathering, it's probably in our best interest to make sure that we don't provide targets. Right. Now, I hate the Oath Keepers. And I think they suck. And I'm not thrilled with them ever having rallies. Okay. But at the same time, I think it is healthy for groups to say we aren't going to allow a terrorist act to dictate how we live our lives. Yeah. The idea that, you know, they would become a target for them isn't enough necessarily for the human spirit to be like, we're not going to meet up or something. So them still having it without the permit, I almost

think is exactly how this should have played out as well. And thankfully, nothing happened. There wasn't any violence. It didn't deteriorate into any, any ugliness. And honestly, if there was a bomber that was going to attack a large thing, they would never attack the Oath Keepers. They're all fucking machine guns. Yeah. And like, why would you? They're the ones who are going to probably carry out a better terrorist attack than you later. Guy has a napalm bomb. Yeah, exactly. One of their members a couple years prior. So I mean, I stopped short of supporting the Oath Keepers and what they did. But abstractly, if you just look at them as a fill in the blank group, yeah, I think that this played out how it should have. Yeah. With the exception of the

pretending that they were singled out, that part of it is irresponsible and stupid and propaganda. But I don't know. I think it's maybe not the best thing for governments to decline all permits for the sake of like, there is a danger because it is dictating what we do based on threats. And I stopped short of saying the terrorists win or anything like that. But there is a piece of that. At the same time, I do think keeping the public safe is the primary objective. Right. And if the, you know, people voted on it, and that's what they decided was the best way to do that. I don't know if it's, you know, my place to say they did something wrong. I don't know. I'm very conflicted about it. But I think, I think in my, in my estimation, chances are, or from everything

that I know about people, the best way to respond to a terror attack is to treat it as a police investigation and pretend that it means nothing. True. And then just go on about your day, make terrorist attacks unaffected in their goal. You know, the terrorist attack of 9-11 was very effective. We destroyed America because of it. Right. But at the same time, that's 100% impossible. There is no way you will convince enough people to just say, we are going to accept and absorb a terrorist attack with no response other than have the police investigate. It's just not going to happen. Those responses and fallouts are like the goal. Yeah, exactly. And you know, I just, I don't know. I'm not in, you know, the Lexington town government. Exactly. I don't have to make those

decisions. And I don't know what variables went into them necessarily. But I don't know. I don't know. It's very complicated. But I do, I don't know. I'm not siding with the Oathkeepers. I still think they suck. So don't, don't get it twisted. Don't let anyone, you know. No, they're also terrorists. I'm not cool with terrorists also being allowed to have rallies. And one of the things that's particularly difficult about this, like even our conversation about it in 2019 is that we know all the, like the variables. Yeah. Like at the time, the people in Lexington, their select men didn't know that it was two dudes and they would end up getting caught a couple days later. Right. Well, you know, they didn't know anything like in that space of the threat or what could

be out there is could be the imagination is the limit of possibilities. I think they're, I think their actions were wrong. And I think every thought that got to them, got them to where they are makes perfect sense. And I understand it completely. And I would say that wrong is iffy phrase, but I don't disagree with you. Yeah. I mean, unwise, maybe ineffective. Maybe I would say that. Wrong. Wrong has too much baggage. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, like every thought they had along the way to wrong was correct. You know what I'm saying? I agree. It's like a, it's like a, it's like a math problem. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex talks about how he's certain about everything, but then he also performs his normal cowardly move great and gives

himself an escape door. And I'm sitting here knowing what the next thing is. Now they may change the script. I mean, there's a 1% chance and I'm being, I'm exaggerating that. I mean, it's less than a 1% chance in my mind. I have a certainty. This is a false flag because bear minimum, they provocateur it. So this is a false flag for sure. And he knows what's going to happen. He's telling you what's going to happen, but they also might change the script. So less than 1% chance. No, no, no, no, they could change the script on us at any point. No, no, no, no. The less than 1% chance is about it being a false flag. Right. He's saying that there's a entire possibility that they might change the script. And so that's his way of saying, oh, moving forward.

Yeah. They'll change. Okay. Yeah. And that's his way of saying that like, I'm predicting all of these things and I am right. Now, if the reality that comes about in the next day or two or whatever doesn't match my predictions, that's just because the globalists change the script. Right. It's a perfect way so you can always be right no matter what. You wouldn't act like this if you were serious. It's like in his head though, it is a constant cat and mouse chess game, you know, where it's like, I know what they're, I know what move they're going to make. I'm Bobby fucking Fisher. And then they make a different move and he's like, I knew you were going to make that move as well. That was a different possibility and I'm counter-reacting in my moves and all of

that shit. He does think that way. And it's been sort of like in the background of a lot of his shit in this episode, particularly, it becomes very relevant. Yeah. The idea that Alex thinks that he's having a discussion with the globalists in real time. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's what he thinks. He loses his fucking mind a little bit later in this episode on which globalist is Reno back in the picture. All of them. All of them. Globalists who are dead are still their ancestors as we know. That is true. That is true. But more importantly, look, this family guy episode is real serious. And it's pretty much one of the, I really don't like that set inside. It's one of the big centerpieces of Alex's conspiracy. And I got to say, I know exactly why he's continuing

this and we'll get to it here in a second. Well, you know what, Paul? You've got the floor. Break down what happened here because it's such an incredible hoax. He's talking to Paul Joseph Watson. He's got him on the phone here. This really freaked him out. They're saying we're a hoax. And some are saying this episode didn't even exist as you document when he admits it did exist. And then all we did was show the two clips from the same episode. One where Bob Costas asked, how did you win the marathon? And it shows all these dead people to Boston Marathon at the finish line with blood. And then it cuts later to him detonating the bombs with a cell phone. And then they call that a hoax when they're running the hoax, and then they're erasing it

everywhere. But then you read the fine print of AP, they admit it's not a hoax. They call it a controversy. So this is stupid. This is how stupid they think you are. Let's go ahead and go to Paul Watson. Paul Watson, what's happening here? So even if you just hear that clip, it's obvious that Alex knows that these are from different parts of the episode. He understands. Then they cut to, yeah. And he's misrepresenting entirely what people's criticism of it is. Like he is showing awareness of what he's doing. He knows. Absolutely. He knows. Absolutely. And when he throws it to Paul, Paul is very clear that he understands this too. So I edited the beginning and the end of the episode together to make a misleading. Yeah, I don't think Paul is based on his telling. Oh, he's just

grabbed it from somewhere on YouTube or someone posted it, and then they amplified it. Right. It never would have gotten the traffic that it got without Paul and Alex doing this. Great. So they're as guilty as whoever created it. But I don't think that they did it themselves. I mean, granted they could have. I have no fucking idea who's YouTube account this originated on. But I think it's less important than the fact that they are the ones who made it circulate it. Yeah. And like I said, that last clip Alex is showing, he knows why this was fucked up. And Paul does too. In that single episode of two separate scenes, one scene, as you said, depicts victims at the finish line of the Boston marathon, having been killed, having been massacred, covered in blood,

dismembered limbs, etc. The other, the other scene, which is a different scene from the same episode depicts the main character in Family Guy detonating two explosive devices via a cell phone. So somebody put that out on the internet and edited those two clips together. I saw it made a commentary YouTube video about it saying not that it was proof of an inside job or some grand conspiracy, merely that the fact that an episode of a cartoon broadcast three weeks before the marathon bombings, in which scenes eerily similar were depicted, was weird, was bizarre, was strange, was interesting. Didn't claim it was proof of anything. Put the four minute commentary video out yesterday. Within hours, within about three hours, the video was deleted by YouTube.

And they put a strike on my account threatened to terminate my account. Then immediately after that, this meme began to circulate amongst the media that the Family Guy linked to the Boston marathon bombings was a hoax. So some people like you, and the listeners probably are wondering, you know, right about now, why is the Family Guy episode coming up so much on this show? Why is Alex talking about it so much? It clearly doesn't prove anything and Paul is even saying it doesn't prove anything. It literally does nothing to further his argument that the bombing was a false flag. So what's the deal? This can all be summed up very simply. Seth MacFarlane responded. This manipulatively edited clip was created by whoever created it,

then pushed to a massive audience by Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars, to the point where Seth MacFarlane, the creator of the Family Guy, was getting messages about it, to the point where he had to respond that this was an alteration of his work, and he feels terrible that people are doing this with his intellectual property. It's hurting the people who are the victims of this. Like it's really fucked up. That's why Alex is continuing down this road, because his target didn't ignore him. We've seen this over and over through his career, this instinct to pursue press and attention by fostering feuds with people way more famous than him. We saw it in 2013 when Alex essentially begged Piers Morgan to have him back on the show

while he was pretending to confront him at a gun shop. We saw it in 2019 when Alex threatened to murder Joe Rogan politically and then called him a sneaky snake. Let's not even broach the years long will they won't they feud with Glenn Beck. This is his strategy to hijack attention. Alex knows the power of that hijacking celebrity. He ended up going on the view after Charlie Sheen freaked out because Sheen started his public meltdown on Alex's show. Alex went on the view? Yeah. I did not know this. I thought we covered that in the past. I feel like we did. We may have done that, but I feel like that is one of those things that will slip out of my brain forever. No matter how many times you tell me that, my brain just rejects the information. It's just

like, fine, you have proof, but it didn't happen. It's not as notable as a lot of his other weird appearances because he doesn't yell at Joy Behar. And it's kind of like, well, Charlie's going through a tough time. Right. No. And again, I'm fine with that. It's just like in my head, it can't be true. It simply cannot be true. It does. It does. I understand that response. Yeah. So Alex knows that game really well and he plays it a lot. What I find particularly distasteful, as I've mentioned, is if you listen to these clips, it's clear that they know that they're lying about this. They know that the bombing and the marathoners from totally separate parts of the episode, and they only appear connected because the video that Paul reposted manipulatively added

those parts together. He knows that this barely rises to the level of, that's weird. And yet he sits here with his boss who's trying to turn it into proof of an elaborate plot to not only demonize right wingers, but apparently also to gaslight Alex. Like it's crazy. This dude's the worst. It's moments like this that make it totally clear. Paul knows what he's doing. He knows he's paid to build perceptions, not to report anything real. Because if he was reporting honestly, they would have been clear about like they never would have played the video that they play, because the video that they play and that they promoted took a part of the part of the beginning of the episode and cut it in with a part of the end to make it look like those are it's not like

they played the part where Peter runs over people at the marathon in his car to win. And then after that, the part of the end of the episode where Peter blows up the bridge accidentally using a cell phone detonator, they don't do that. They have the edited video where it looks like based on the edits. Costas says, how did you win the Boston bombing? And then they cut immediately to the cell phone. And then the bombs go off and they show the people at the marathon. Exactly. It's, they would never do something like that. If they were trying to point out how weird it is, it's a manufactured perception and they know what they're doing. Yeah. Cause here's the thing. It is kind of weird. It is. It is kind of weird,

but unless you manipulatively edit it together, here's your response. Oh, that's kind of weird. But the number of random jokes and distasteful jokes that exist in the, I don't know, dozens of seasons of family guy, I'm positive that you could do this with a lot of stuff. Yeah. You could find some way to manipulatively edit the random jokes that are thrown in and create something out of it. It's only because there will, and look, sure, the Boston bomb or the Boston marathon is very specific, but the character lives in the northeast. Yeah. Like it, it's a huge event. It's never going to, it's never going to beat out the Simpsons predicting Trump becoming president. And that was just because they thought it was so utterly funny and impossible to imagine. Yeah.

So Paul's got this going on. He's running defense on the family guy stuff, but really all it is is a hope that Seth McFarlane says more about them. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we get in an episode. Yeah. He starts a feud with us and we become characters on the family guy that they make fun of. Yeah. Wouldn't that be awesome? That's kind of the game that's being played. So he's got that he's on, but he has another story and he's got some big breaking news. And this is bad. In the past few hours, these photos have emerged out the, from the scene of the Boston marathon bombings. And basically they show four or five individuals wearing coats and acts that look like they're heavy and weighed down. Absolutely. In fact,

I was going to get to that. I'm glad you raised that. And here are the articles breaking and info wars.com. So Paul Joseph Watson has found pictures that are going around from the scene. I was wondering when this was going to come up. And honestly, you know, based on my memories of the time and following this story, I'm shocked that it was on the 17th. I thought it was actually pretty more, more immediate. Yeah. And it may have actually been a little bit more immediate online, but it took this long to filter to Alex. Yeah. As I mentioned on the last episode, I was working at dead end temp job on April 2013. And most of my time was spent cruising conspiracy message boards to kill time. People were out with outrageously

unsupported views and ideas were way more interesting to me than anything real at the time. And there was mountains of things to read. If you look into that world, so many message boards, a consistently renewing source of anonymous posts and weird thoughts. I would be lying if I said that I was 100% skeptical of everything I read back then. While I didn't buy into any of it wholesale, I definitely was way more naive than I am today. I can still kind of remember the feeling that came from taking in those baseless theories presented as truth. It was scary. Even if I didn't really believe the stuff I was reading, there was so much what if in these posts and blogs, that it was injected into my mind and I couldn't help but be somewhat affected by it.

That's the feeling that people like Alex and others like this who profit from these worlds want to maximize. It's that uncertainty laced with fear that makes people vulnerable enough to lower their rational instincts and accept whatever is offered as a way of alleviating these feelings. And the aftermath of the bombing, there was no information from officials channels. And in that vacuum, idiots online decided to become detectives. I remember this period so vividly because whenever a new picture from the marathon was posted by anyone, it would end up resulting in tons of new possibilities and suspects in the images. None of them really stuck with the exception of two men who the internet decided to look into and decided that they were

military contractors and thus probably involved. There you go. Obviously. At that point, all that was really known was that the bombs were pressure cookers and that they were carried inside backpacks. These two dudes were wearing backpacks and there was other people wearing backpacks. So you put two and two together. Bada bing, bada boom. They're suspects one and two. There's legitimately nothing more to this conspiracy than that. Two guys, the internet thought looked suspicious who were wearing backpacks became the targets of a giant online mystery. It's being here amplified and validated by Alex and Paul Joseph Watson. They have zero reason to do this. There's no journalistic value to them tossing around under ungrounded suspicion

based on a blog poster message board thread that Paul just happened to stumble across. But that's what they're doing here. They've Paul has found online posts. There's these guys with weird looking backpacks. Oh, here we go. We're onto the main stash. It's like it's that impulse that people have after listening to all these true crime podcasts where they're like, there's giant groups that crowdsource detective work. Sure. And it's like, I would prefer more people took it down to those stakes. But if you have rabble rousers like Alex and Paul Joseph Watson hijacking that for nefarious purposes instead of just a bunch of weirdos. I was seeing in articles that I was reading about the aftermath and how this all played out. One of the things that I was

reading about was the idea of this crowdsourcing investigative work. And one of the big things that was pointed out as a failure of that process as it relates to the Boston bombing was that it was a one way street. Like there was only people online investigating things. And that's it. Whereas the police weren't interacting with the people investigating sort of guiding like what is relevant, what isn't. And people made tons of fucking terrible assumptions because they were looking at, okay, so all we knew is backpack, right? So let's craft a narrative out of these people that we can find with backpacks. That's not enough to make this a healthy part of that investigative ecosystem. And it's not like there's any oversight.

There is none. And maybe there doesn't need to be strict oversight. No, there doesn't need to be oversight. There needs to be a both directional like, okay, that doesn't matter. What we're looking at, like because eventually when the FBI does release the picture of the suspects, it is a, we need help finding these people. We need tips. That's the way that crowdsourcing can work as a two way street. Right. And that was a, that did not happen in the aftermath. And so there's all these people going over these images and just finding bullshit. Right. And now Alex has found out about this. Yeah. Without any, without any contact with real investigators, you're just a mob. Right. You know, you're just a mob. And you're blind.

Yeah. You're blind. You just think you found something to mean something and it doesn't. And as we all know from a Clint Eastwood movies, mob justice is always right. So we got these guys with backpacks and this is good enough as proof that there was a false flag. There were military contractors there running it. And Alex starts to freak out about how he's right about everything. And again, I said, the minute it happened, I said, they're going to blame right wingers and libertarians. That's my gut. And then even right wing media said I was wrong to say that. Why, why am I bad because I'm right, Paul? Why am I bad? Why are you bad? But yeah, get back to these now guys in trench coats and,

and what they're saying, because they're now getting into a frenzy going, it's time to demonize the devil whitey. And it's all white guys on TV saying this. This is the now they're going to make us all perpetrators, all Americans, all libertarians, all conservatives. We're now going to be the bad guy. Why is it white all of a sudden? I don't know. Why did that transition smoothly happen? Did you catch the KKK reference with the oath keepers? Like why did you immediately go to KKK as your reference? Well, that one said anybody can have a free speeches for everybody. That one I think is actually far more defensible because that's even a terrible group like KKK. That one I let slide a little more than this. Yeah, it's a time to demonize whitey.

Libertarians and conservatives is that whitey? Is that the same thing to you? Yes, it is. Well, that's a problem. Yeah. So I mean, they just build this up as like proof that there's backpack guys, they had the bombs and none of this is based on anything other than just guessing and things they found on anonymous blogs. And interestingly enough, these photos show people with large black backpacks, one of which was subsequently found just feet from where they actually stay there. Let's talk more about it. So he's implying without any evidence that this backpack is the same one that they found near the bomb. Like it's just I don't know why you think you can prove that. Why are you reporting that? Well, because it was there and then, you know, it was

over there. Great. Doesn't mean anything. There's only one black backpack in all of Boston. Here's what's going on. Yeah. If you look at those pictures, there are a lot of people with backpacks and they are mostly ignored. Yeah. The internet had chosen to focus on specifically these two guys who they decided are military contractors. Sure. They're wearing tampants, boots, and whatever they look like the type, right? Oh, well, then that that's enough for me. Then there is like a Middle Eastern appearing person and a guy who looks as Alex will later call him like I think Paul calls him a good old boy. Okay, Alex may be calls him a yokel. Okay. Now, they are not the only people with black backpacks right at all in these pictures. If you look at

the pictures, you could find a bunch of people with backpacks that didn't end up becoming the target of suspicion. There's only there's only one black pack. I mean, sure, there are some Onyx blackpacks. Sure. There are all of these. There's some. Yeah, there's there's all different kinds, but there's only one black backpack. And the reason that I appreciate your spin on this, you're wrong. But the reason that these people were focused on is because these internet places were engaged in building the same narrative that Alex was. They were they were working to try and prove the talking points that Alex was putting out. Now, whether or not they were doing that specifically in service of Alex, or just that these corners of the internet were

cesspools? Sure. Yeah, on board with this. Yeah, whatever the reality of it is a little bit unclear to me. But it's perfect because they focused this suspicion on the specific people that would help Alex build his narrative specifically that he's trying to do with the family guy episode that is the Paul, I'm sorry, Peter Griffin is a tea party guy who works with the Taliban. And that's what they're telling you all along is what white guys are going to be in the Taliban. And you see this happening. You see Paul take this suspicion about the people with backpacks, and it all gets funneled towards, wait, there were two guys who were military contractor looking, there's a Middle Eastern guy and a white guy, they're trying to run it up where this Middle

Eastern guy is working with the white guy in order to make us all look like we're working with terrorists, right? You see it happen so smoothly. The thing about crowdsourcing these kinds of propaganda conspiracy theories is that you already have a built in audience for you to because they want to be validated by you. So they have not only given you the means by which to propagandize to them, but at the same time, they're your main audience to yeah, it's a weird like fucking symbiotic parasitical relationship. Right. Well, I mean, it's the actually the opposite of what's going on with the police in terms of it not being a two way street with the crowdsourced information. Alex is interacting with his weirdos that are going out and finding the evidence to

make his arguments. So he has sort of an ecosystem that is succeeding in that two way road, whereas the police are not doing that. And this is what happens when those dynamics are in play. Yeah, bullshit gets amplified and validated. Yep. One of the photo shows two guys, big black coats, big backpacks, khaki pants and khaki boots on cell phones. There's other photos with two Middle Easterners with backpacks. One separate photo, a guy with a backpack who looks like a good old boy, looks like a stereotypical hick. And basically the video shows at least one of these guys running away from the scene at high speed right after the bomb detonates. Wouldn't you?

And the backpacks that were found several feet from the bomb, one of the backpacks is identical to one carried by one of these individuals in the photo. So it's two white guys and three Middle Easterners. Let me just stop you. Let me just stop you. What have I been saying since this happened a few days ago? Because the scripting, they're saying white guys, tea party with al-Qaeda and all the movies, all the shows. And then if that's who they say it is, then you know it's scripted. There's no way they roll out this narrative. And then it actually manifest a group to do this. You could get one person to copycat, but you're not going to have media be able to mirror exactly what happens. Paul, this is insane. It's unprecedented. So the Alex has decided,

based on these pictures of some people with backpacks, that all of his arguments about the white people working with al-Qaeda, white al-Qaeda is going to, it's all validated. It's all here. Oh my God, Paul. Paul. And Alex loses his goddamn mind about this. This episode deteriorates from this point because Alex believes that they have got everything figured out. Oh, oh, that's bad. Yeah. That's very bad. So here Paul Joseph Watson indicates that he doesn't really know all that much, but he knows everything. Yeah. And they've got these huge coats on these huge backpacks. They don't know how cold it was in Boston, but they look completely overdressed. Why didn't you look into it? Why didn't you find out what the temperature was? It was in

the 40s. It makes sense that you might be wearing a coat. I just can't. I can't handle that. Why didn't you check? That's bananas. How lazy are you as an investigative reporter that you're like, huh, they're wearing coats. I wonder what the temperature was. Oh, look into that. It makes sense. They were overdressed. It's April in Boston, you know, when it's 70 degrees out. I mean, you could make the, you know, an early spring. It might be a bit nicer, but you know, you can still wear a coat. Right. Especially, I mean, the race starts early. Yeah. Like it makes sense. You might want to do on the grass. Yeah. They're on cell phones. One of them looks like a typical army guy, the white guy. And then you've got these other Middle Easterners.

And another one looks like a good old boy with a mullet. So if these are the guys they're going to pin it on, and it, I mean, from these photos, it looks like if it's anyone, then it's them because they look completely shifted. They're not looking at the marathon. They've got huge weighed down heavy backpacks. And it looks like they might try to pin it on these guys. So if that meme of, you know, why Al Qaeda working with terrorist Muslims is going to come to the fore, then this is the beginning of it by the looks of it. That's a terrible prediction. And also, I would say that that meme is only spread by you. Yeah. Yeah. That that's not like a really prominent meme or anything like that. We've had, we've had discussions about white Al Qaeda in the

past. And I've decided that the, the name of it is going to be Al-Waida. Right. We tried white Qaeda and the Al Qaeda Al-Waida. That's, that's what it is. Sure. Yeah. So this is a shit prediction. I mean, you're saying if they're going to pin it on anyone, it's these guys. And like, we know from how things played out in the investigation and everything that you can find that these are not the suspects that they, they're just, they're, they're completely wrong about everything. They think they're right. Yeah. And they are, they're like, they think that they're two steps ahead of the media and the detectives and everything, but they're on a completely different path. They're not even in reality. Right. They're just blaming, they're a thousand steps ahead of

that. They're blaming private citizens. They're like casting suspicion of a terrorist act on people who just happen to have backpacks. What, what I, what I find fascinating is that all these like citizen sleuths who are figuring everything out, basically a reliving like law and order episodes. Don't get to that second part where they're like, we have to build a case in order to get a conviction. Right. They would, that's, you can't go to the police with a bulldog. That's not a, that's not your honor. Well, that's not an argument. No, it's not. There's no, that, that second step is really like, all right, you come up with an idea. And then what you do is you test that idea by creating like a brain store. What are other possible explanations?

For X, Y, and Z. And then you try and exclude those possibilities, narrow it down, prove that things that would show your argument to be false are wrong themselves. That strengthens your argument. I see no evidence that even the most elementary argument against this has been shot down. And that's just a guy with a backpack. Once you eliminate straight otherwise, Dan, once you eliminate the impossible, you will never be a guest on info wars. Right. So Alex really thinks that he's scooped everyone. He really thinks that like, that can't be real. I'm so far ahead of this shit. It's crazy. Cause these are just photos that Paul found on the internet. I've been going through the different Twitter accounts and photos and people analyzing it.

The police have asked people to quote, help them analyze it. And ladies and gentlemen, I thought he was talking about some other photos in the last segment, if you just joined us. Paul, and this is nowhere in the mainstream news, Paul has found on one of the hacker sites, photos, dozens of them. Let's start running them on screen, guys. Let's put this on screen with what appears to be white males with what looks like Middle Easterners with the heavy black backpacks, the canvas black backpacks that they're talking about. And this looks really, really bad. Let's keep scrolling down here. Ladies and gentlemen, this looks, we're streaming video of this right now at info wars.com. And you can hear Paul Watson, they're typing in the background. Paul Watson is

posting this right now at info wars.com. He's mirroring all of this information. This has been out for eight hours with 228,000 views, but has not hit the mainstream. And right as I'm talking to Paul, seeing in during the break goes, they believe they've ID'd suspects. That was the headline. So all this is breaking. And they're not even showing this information unless I missed it. They're not showing this information because they're working on different information, but also important to point out. Alex is saying that they found these on hacker sites. Yes. I wonder what those are. So also Paul, you can hear typing there. That's some good foley work. That is that is good. Very satisfying from an ASMR perspective. That was actually that was kind

of nice. So I, you know, he's making this post on info wars. I tracked that down because I wanted to see if there was more to these photos than what I remembered from the time being circulated. Like I, the way they're being described sounds like it's definitely a lot more substantial than what I remember. So what I remember is just people with like pictures of like before the bombing and like red lines and people circled and like, you know, oh, here's this, you know, I remember it being pretty sad shit. I regret to inform you that they're just talking about those same pictures. Of course. Random shots, people who captured of the bombing with people circled and red lines everywhere. You know, they acting like they demonstrated something. The brain trust on

the internet scour these photos and found anyone with a backpack that closely resembled the ones used in the attack and then excluded people who didn't fit whatever narrative. Right. Right. That's always good. And then they just started speculating wildly that they were involved. I can't overstate how dangerous this sort of thing is. And I'm honestly surprised that nothing ended up happening to any of those people. Yeah. Like the way that this was such a mob. Yeah. And Alex is facilitating it, amplifying it to like presumably millions of people. Like, it's so bad. Like it's bad for the internet to behave that way and for people to take it upon themselves to speculate that a private citizen bombed a marathon based on evidence that they

had a backpack and look weird. Yeah. Like that's awful. They looked shifty. Obviously it was then. Right. That's bad. But it's an entirely different thing for Alex to base his reporting on those internet rumors and witch hunting. Alex calls this breaking news, but there's no news to break here, unless his show really is just a roundup of dumb things. Idiots are saying online masquerading his news. That's all this is. And it's so dangerous. Like you and I know that Alex is a complete liar and fraud, but a large section of his audience thinks he has high level sources. And he knows what he's talking about. When he acts like this, passing off internet posts is breaking news. It gives them undue credibility in those people's eyes. And that can lead

them down bad roads. One thing I find particularly interesting about Paul Joseph Watson's post on info wars, however, is that it's a ton of crowdsourced pictures of the bombing that prove nothing. And then there's one other image that is not a crowdsourced picture of the bombing. That image is a screenshot that someone posted on 4chan. That's interesting on one level because it means that info wars was using anonymous 4chan posts as a source as far back as 2013. But this particular post is interesting on another level. If you read the body of the text, this is the exact same post that Alex read on air on April 16th. You remember it was the one he started out by saying was a troll post, but then he got to reading the part about out long reloading

powder and found himself agreeing with it. That post is now not a troll post. It's part of the evidence being presented that this was a false flag. And if you weren't paying close attention, you never would have realized that there was a sleight of hand. They completely repurposed this post. It's frustrated. That's against the law. I have decided that that is now against the law. I don't know how we write that law, but you can't do it. That's the rule. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing how brazen that is. You can't do it. I didn't know that that was a thing that could even be a thing. That's how illegal it should be. If I didn't know what was coming up on this episode, I would say this is a new law. Yeah, but if it's a new law, it's a law that we got another

so easily 25 minutes from now. It's beaten to death. There are reports coming out that the FBI has information that they believe is related to the suspects and even pictures and photos of them. These are not those photos. But because Alex is very dumb and bad at this, he's convinced that he is one step ahead of the media. And I would say he's a fucking loser. So most of this stretch now becomes Alex just blindly analyzing this footage and these pictures should draw in conclusions that responsibly. Well, no. Oh, he has no reason to base any of this on anything. It's just like, ah, here we go. You know what? I think this means this. Okay. Oh my God. I'm watching video too that nobody seemed to pick up. But the collective brain

of people out there looking at all these, I'm looking at news, breaking news from right when it happened, analyzing footage and you can really see some suspicious stuff here. Guys, keep scrolling through. Look at this Middle Eastern looking guy with the backpack. Oh man. He looks North African military pants. That looks like a cop. That looks like a guy part of a drill. Wow. That was quick. That is, that is astonishing how he's just like, look at his pants. I bet he's a cop and it's a false flag. It's quick because the conclusions already decide. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh my God, this works. Yeah, I know. But it's come on. You gotta give me two more steps. You know what? You know what's unprecedented? It's that Alex has all the pieces of optics just right

in front of him. Yeah. Everything he needs in order to create the illusion that this is a false flag is so easily presented for him. This is a layup. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's unprecedented. He's freaking out because he's realizing, oh my God. It literally fell into my lap. That's crazy. I hit the mother load on this. That's what's going on. So, you know, they're just, I don't know how to set up these clips because a lot of them are the same. It's just like they're casting suspicions on people just for no reason. Well, these photos show suspects right on the scene of where the bombing took place wearing heavy black coats and backpacks. And one of the backpacks was found literally feet away from where the bomb exploded. And by the way, it looks like they both got issued credentials.

No wonder the media doesn't want us seeing this. This might have been a drill team. That's it. They're running a drill just like 777 and blow up the patsies. Oh my God. Those are definitely cops. Those are definitely military types. Those aren't, those aren't terrorists. Two of them look like military types. The other two look like patsies. One of them look, if you see the guy in the blue. They look mentally retarded. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Way, way to throw the R word in there. Just for, just for the cherry on top of the ice. Sure. To Alex's conjecture that these guys look military, they very well might have been. Remember on our last episode when we discussed how there were a lot of enlisted persons there doing the race as a tough rock? Well, you know, where they

do the marathon in uniform, carrying a heavy bag in memory of their fellow soldiers who'd been killed overseas. Right. But I imagine none of those soldiers who are their friends or anything would ever go to the marathon and like stand on the side. I mean, that's certainly a possibility. But you know what's another possibility? They don't always do it in fatigues. Like they're not always in camo. Right. That's not always the uniform that they wear. There are a lot of different uniforms. One might wear it to do a tough rock. And it's not outside the realm of possibility that these men had already completed the marathon and were waiting for someone they knew. That is a possibility. Yeah. I don't know that to be true. But I'm saying there are tons of other explanations

for their appearance that Alex won't even consider before jumping to the conclusion that they're there as part of a drill. These are the sort of things that you need to consider before you jump to your conclusion. Right. What are alternative explanations? Can we rule them out? And you can't. You can't rule these things out. Therefore, you can't draw the conclusion that you're drawn. I can't tell you who these dudes are. And honestly, I'm glad that the information like that didn't get disseminated widely as far as I can tell. Based on everything I've read and can tell about the investigation of the bombing, this was not a relevant thread to anyone who actually knew what was going on. All the detectives. For example, if you go watch interviews with FBI

agents who were involved in the immediate investigation, their focus was way sharper than the lack of public information led people to believe. By this point, they tracked down where the pressure cookers were bought and had a pretty good idea of the suspects. They didn't need Alex or 4chan or Reddit throwing around baseless accusations of people just because they have backpacks. But it's the only thing that Alex can do. He doesn't have any sources. He doesn't know anything. So if 4chan is obsessed with a guy with a backpack, that's going to lead his reporting. And that's abysmal. When you really recognize that like this is what he's basing shit on, it's really fucking scary because that means that anyone who's anonymous and just post something

could guide his coverage. Like he has no standards at all. It's terrifying. No, it's important for people to remember that when they're not killing black people, sometimes cops investigate crimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. So Alex realizes something in these pictures and he freaks out. Yeah, there's one guy in a blue coat who's white. Wait a minute. One guy is wearing a Kyle, the sniper hat. Remember Kyle, the sniper that got killed? Remember Chris Kyle? That guy's... Well, yeah, that's a punisher hat, but it looks almost like Chris Kyle's sniper hat is basically a ripoff of the punisher. Oh God. So Alex realizes this, but later his narrative is like only an idiot would think that's the punisher. This is like an old time SEAL team logo. They use that skull.

This is an indication that they're off duty or on a secret mission SEAL teams. Done. You're out. Alex spends so much time on this episode about the logo. He's convinced that the fact that the guy in the picture from the Boston Marathon is wearing this hat that has a punisher logo on it, that means ipso facto he's on a SEAL team or he's being set up to look like he's on a SEAL team. Alex expounds at length about how only an idiot thinks it's a punisher logo because the punisher logo itself was just stolen from the Marines and Chris Kyle was a member of a SEAL team and he was known to wear this logo on his clothes, not because he liked the punisher, but because it was a Marine SEAL team symbol prior. Alex is completely wrong about this. You know what I hate?

Go into a party and having somebody do a bunch of coke and then tell me all their ideas at the same time. That is what I feel like right now. Every free is there. No, no, no. And then you can see that the hat is this whole thing and then you look down at his pants and his pants. They've got a little rip in the bottom and that's how all snipers do because when you're in the ghillie suit it accidentally rips your pants a little bit. They all wear jeans underneath their ghillie suits. It's not a weird, but whatever. Right. It does. It does feel that way. Yeah. Fuck off. So he's completely wrong about the punisher logo. That all traces back to Chris Kyle, who was just a big fan of the punisher. So he named, he nicknamed his unit the Punishers. They would spray paint the

Punisher logo on buildings in Iraq as the Time Magazine article put it, quote, to mark their territory. Yeah, man. Our military is bad. That's bad because Kyle was a super famous soldier, you know, the American sniper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck him too. The insignia that he used got really popular as well. And before you knew it, there were Chris Kyle Punisher logo shirts and hats being sold and people were wearing them. But even beyond that, the Punisher logo started to pop up everywhere surrounding war. American soldiers were stenciling it on their helmets, putting stickers of it on their vehicles. But you know what? It wasn't only them. The fighters on the other side and ISIS started appropriating the logo too. How many times do I have to make this

clear? They're the same guys. There's something unnerving about the appropriation of this particular symbol considering that the fascists, the character of Frank Castle is based on a bad guy who's fighting bad guys. He accepts that he has to use pretty fucked up tactics to achieve his goals. And the only thing that differentiates him from the villains he's up against is who he's torturing and murdering. He's a character without a finely tuned morality, or as he's been described, not an antihero, but an anti-villain. The idea of our soldiers associating with him is absolutely chilling and suggests that we don't need to just get out of foreign wars. We may need to abolish the armed services. Oh, completely. It's gone too far. Yeah, things might be unsalvageable. Yeah,

it's like at a certain point, like when is Duterte going to put the Punisher logo on his fucking shirt? Some of them might have already. You know, he's already murdering people without any, oh, fuck these people. I've read tons of military blogs about this subject and literally none of them suggest that Chris Kyle adopted this logo because it's part of a long-standing Marine lineage. Every single one of them talks about how he specifically took the logo from the Marvel comic because he was a military celebrity, or because he was a military celebrity, it caught on. All of the websites quote Kyle's autobiography, quote, our comms guy suggested it before the deployment. We all thought what the Punisher did was cool. He righted wrongs. He killed bad guys.

He made wrongdoers fear them. That's what we were all about. So we adapted his symbol, a skull, and made it our own with some modifications. We spray painted it on our hummers and body armor, on our helmets and on our guns. We spray painted it on every building and wall we could. We wanted people to know we're here and we want to fuck with you. It was our version of PsyOps. You see us? We're the people kicking your ass, fear us, because we will kill you motherfucker. You're bad, we're badder. I assume that what that translates to is the Iraqi people viewing us as liberators. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is all pretty upsetting stuff, particularly to Gary Conway, the characters creator, right, who's super anti war and obviously not happy about his character

being co-opted by soldiers, many of whom probably like that character for the wrong reasons. Yeah. Quote, in my mind, he's not a good guy, Conway told time. Yeah. I found tons of SEAL team logos, and none of them seem to match Alex's contentions that he makes later in this episode about it being a like classic SEAL team logo. The males, the main SEALs logo is an eagle carrying a trident perched on an anchor. None of the specific SEAL teams have insignia that are even close to a Punisher skull. They're mostly SEALs doing shit like holding knives and riding submarines. Some of their logos are downright cute. The guy in this image that Alex is reporting on might be wearing a Punisher head because he likes Frank Castle. He might be wearing it because

he's a fan of Chris Kyle. He might be wearing it randomly. It could indicate that he's in the military, but it certainly doesn't prove it. Alex is absolutely just making shit up that the Punisher logo is a SEALs logo, which is why Chris Kyle adapted it. And he's doing that to strengthen his argument that the guy in the picture at the marathon was there in an official capacity to pull off a false flag. This evidence is super thin. And this is what you have to understand. Alex knows that this evidence doesn't mean shit. That's why he needs to work to overblow it to fabricate a greater meaning to the symbol than actually exists. He knows what he's doing. And even in that, his immediate recognition of it, he knows that Chris Kyle ripped off the Punisher

logo. And that's why people wear it. He later says the exact opposite that the Punisher logo itself was a ripping off of SEALs. He completely contradicts himself later once he's had time to flesh out the narrative. He's doing this intentionally. It's sick. It is that same kind of thing that happened with Wall Street and the Wolf of Wall Street, where the characters are absolutely evil, awful, awful people. And then so many people are like, man, that guy's really cool. So many people modeled that behavior of the Wolf of Wall Street and Michael Sheen and all of that shit. Morally gray characters are really difficult for people who aren't all that smart to wrestle with. And that's not to say that everybody in the army is stupid or anything

like that. But people have oftentimes, without engaging with more complexity of literature or anything, you end up with a bad conclusion. Right. Yeah. Charles Bronson is not the good guy, you know? No, he's not. He is the bad guy. Right. You understand his motivation. Right. But he is absolutely going way too far. He is evil. People are like, man, I wish there was somebody on my block. No, you don't. No, you don't. You would get shot. You would be shot. In death wish three. He kills so many people who are not in that gang he's up against. Yeah. Yeah. He's shooting gatling guns out of like third floor windows right onto the street for shoplifters. It's like guys call me. No, it's because a gang leader picked on him when he was in prison. Yeah. That's it.

Yeah. Well, I guess the police didn't list him to kill that guy. But what? Still, who cares? What? He's not the good guy. He's not the good guy. So anyway, Alex thinks that these pictures that he's found, now that he's got like this hat involved to like these crack the case, he has solved who did it. Could the government really be this inept to blow this up in front of us and even get caught? No. Seven seven, they did a drill, set up the patsies that came out. My God, these photos are incredible. They've been saying they don't know about these. These are in news feeds. These are hidden in plain view. This was hiding in plain view right where the bombs go off. What looks like military intelligence, white guys and Arabs or Hispanics with what look like

patsies with them wearing the same boots to be identified. And no wonder they told everybody don't be alarmed on loudspeakers. This is just a drill. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is unbelievable. I'm sorry. We've got no leads. Please help us. And yet these photos have been out for three days now. You think they haven't looked at those pictures already. Also those. Oh my God's are like someone who is like being confronted with like a crime they committed, but not being accused. Oh my God. How could that? Oh no, my wife is dead. Oh my God. It's so fake. I was halfway expecting him to suddenly break in and be like plain view. It's in plain view. I finally understand there will be blood. It's, uh, it's pretty sad. Like it's so transparent.

Just like, oh my God. Yeah. So what you have to understand and I say this all the time and it comes back to the stuff about Alex having llamas in the studio in 2019. Alex is interested in taking these things that happen in the world, using them to further his agenda, but primarily you want to make money. You can tell in this clip how clear it is. Paul, I'm going to let you go to add all your data right now, add your blurbs, add your data, get to it. I guarantee with this announcement with info wars.com breaking this of the media. This is breaking right now in the media on over 150 stations XM 166 and internet. I guarantee you we're going to have the biggest traffic we've ever had. We already had the biggest traffic ever two days ago and the guys,

Scott, he kept the engine room up, but just get, get it on it now. The ratings are the best they've ever been. So let's fucking go as irresponsible as we can. Let's report things we can't confirm because it's because in the absence of official information info wars appears to people who don't know what the game is to be a legitimate outlet. They have a professional ish looking website. They have a guy whose title is editor in law at large. They have a TV show, a radio show. It's easy to trick people into thinking that this is legitimate and he's doing that. He's striking while the iron is hot. Well, there's an absence of credible information and he's injecting himself into that space. And it's just so clear when people like when I talk about how

like this makes me really anxious. This period of time is because I see this stuff. I see like this is working. Alex is seeing that this strategy is working. Now I can I can almost feel the deterioration like not that he had any standards before, but like the path that leads to the present day. I really feel like you're seeing a lot of the beginnings of it. Just that like, God, he's so grateful to the bombers. You know, he's just like, thank you. Thank you so much. I mean, how could he not be grateful that this happened? He got to go on Opie and Anthony and coast to coast AM to spread his bullshit. He's getting the best traffic he's ever gotten in his life. He's got these pictures from 4chan that he thinks prove something. We put

this out. We are breaking this story. It's going to be the best track even better than our best traffic that we got the other day. Oh my God, so many sales. Yeah, I don't understand how or I do understand, but I mean, come on, man, if we're going to, if we're going to make a conspiracy theory about the Boston bombers, you want to go quibono? I'll tell you quibono. Alex Jones out right now. I'm take that out edit that. I just see craft here. I see machinations. I see, I see intention in order to elevate ratings. How you do it? Well, apparently it works when we just say on grounded bullshit and try and lure people like Seth McFarland into responding to our propaganda. So let's keep doing it. Let's blame these citizens right of the attack right the

lightning. Exactly. Hell yeah. So now it comes out that the FBI does have pictures of the people and Alex takes that the exact wrong way. Look at the CNN. Now that we said this instantly came out saying suspect identified developing, but they haven't shown the photos yet info wars.com. Dan Bedondi goes in to the press conferences has false flag staged and the governor and all of them instantly jump like when you've been guilty and your dad comes in and goes, I found the liquor bottle under your bed and you have that pain of, oh my God, I get caught. I mean, they, they are acting so guilty. So you've got CNN now reporting that FBI has the pictures of the suspects, which Alex believes to be the same ones as if him coming on air and talking with Paul Joseph Watson

has forced them to admit that they have the pictures from 4chan. That is exactly what they're talking about completely different pictures. Exactly what he thinks. And it keeps going. I mean, I mean, could they really be this evil and this stupid and just do it in front of everybody and be running around going, we don't know. We don't have leads when they've had this all along. And then within two minutes of you saying it, Blitzer's talking in his ear freaking out and starts announcing it. I was watching it during the break Watson. This is amazing Watson. It's unprecedented. So the announcement that the FBI had a picture of the suspect absolutely has nothing to do with Alex's shameful coverage of these 4chan rumors. The news had already broken by

the time Alex got on his little rant and it was based on surveillance footage that had been reviewed from the Lord and Taylor outlet on Boylston Street, which showed a suspect dropping a bag at the location of the bombing. What separates this evidence from the quote unquote evidence Alex is paddling is really the element of the person in the footage dropping off a backpack at the location of the bombing. That's a lot more compelling than this guy looks like he's in the military or the logo on his hat is weird. Right. This is another case of Alex just instinctually knowing how to lie about an evolving situation to make to make what's happening in the real world appear to support his fake one. In his alternate reality, he's just

broken this thing wide open thanks to completely inconclusive pictures his British friend found on 4chan. So when CNN reports that the FBI has a picture of the suspect, it only makes sense that they're just doing that because Alex is too close to the truth. They forced his hand. It's really fascinated to watch him in action. This everything is distraction, bluster and misrepresentation, but it's also so natural to Alex. He doesn't even think for a second about suggesting that CNN is watching him and their report is in response to his it just flows out of them. There's no concern for ethics, no concern for how this might affect his listeners. It's all just pandemonium and sensationalism. Anything to escalate this is good. It'll lead to more traffic and more money.

Fuck the consequences. What I'm saying is that this is a really, really bad person. Yeah. And it's all like it's like it's crazy because part of it is conscious and part of it is instinct. Like part of it. He's just instinctually a bad person. He just operates from a place of deceit that's so like in his bone. He's a psychopath. Yeah. Now I want to write a series of detective novels called Jones and Watson where they always catch the wrong guy and the police chief is extremely competent and they always fail. It'd be good. Take that Doyle. It'd be like pride and prejudice in zombies. It's the same shit but terrible. Sure. So it just proceeds down this road for a while. Like it's all just Alex assuming that they're talking about the same

thing as him. And they're now reporting on the 4chan stuff without saying the name of it. Wow. We just scooped them all which I can care less about except now that we can defeat them trying to spend this. Watson get in there, write the data right now. So he gets off the phone with Paul telling him to go make the story more sensational basically. And he's like we I one of the names of my clips is Alex thinks he's scooped the media. Yeah. And I said I wrote that as the name of the clip jokingly and then Alex comes in and we scooped them. Yeah. Like you idiot. You goddamn idiot. So Alex descends into a place of speechlessness because of how crazy all this is. When you have as much research and data as I have just because I focus on this full time and you and you see things

like this and then you see the timestamps and you see it confirmed and you see it on local news footage and you see the guys with the backpacks with the pressure cookers in them and then after the explosion the straps matching and you even see who they're going to make the patsy. It is incredible. You see the military intelligence people. Do you see different teams and then you see what looks like the patsy. This is unbelievable. It's unprecedented. Man. So Alex is, you know, he's cracked the case. He's figured this all out and it's overwhelming to him. But he does say this. And then you see what looks like the gentleman with the backpack who is in all the photos basically looking the different direction than everybody else

and just fitting the exact MO. And if it's not, then I'm wrong. And you know, 4chan is wrong. But yes. Yeah, you're wrong. And 4chan is wrong. And you should apologize. They're also both. Yeah, they're all wrong. You should apologize. Like what your responsibility is. If you're saying, if it's not this, then I'm wrong. You then need to apologize and retract all of this shit. What you don't need to do is say like, Oh, if it's not him, then I'm wrong. And then when it's not him, be like, Ah, it's all a false flag. It really like is it is Alex in 2019. Does he think that it really was this guy and that the actual problem got arrested? We're just a cover up of this. I mean, I'm sure. Yeah, I would imagine that he does still think that he's right. That's such insane

gymnastics to have to go through in order to rationalize this. It's crazy. I, you know, every time he gives that list of like, well, you see in the picture, here's this and here's that and here's that. I halfway expect him to keep, if he keeps going, it's going to be like, and there are the pink elephants and there are the cells in the sky that are in my brain and, you know, does nobody else see all of this? Just me. Just me. Yeah. So the way he's reporting this on the website is fucking irresponsible. It's up at info wars.com right now, ladies and gentlemen, Boston bombing culprits identified images, so suspicious men with backpacks. I want Watson to fill it all in. They fit military intelligence, wearing the same outfits, the drill, all of it.

This is unbelievable. This is smoking gun level. So the actual headline has a question mark at the end of it. But if you listen to Alex's show, he does not read that question mark over and over again when he reads the headline, it is not a question. It's a statement. It's an exclamation point. That question mark is really carrying a lot of legal weight, isn't it? Oh, I think it is. I think it is. That is a very heavy question mark. Yes. When Paul Joseph Watson later reads the headline, he says question because he knows to cover his goddamn ass. So one of the things that I kept thinking about while I was listening to this is like, you know who probably loves this? The bombers. Yeah. If you were someone who had just pulled off a bombing, and you were on the

lamb, you know, laying low or whatever, if you tuned into info wars and you saw them doing everything in their power to point the finger at somebody else, yeah, you would have to be like, fuck yes. Yeah, this is great. This serves my interests perfectly. It casts all kinds of suspicion on other people. I'm not even in the equation. Right. Like, I got to think that you got to feel good. Oh, yeah. This is this would probably provide comfort to the actual terrorists. Yeah. Can you imagine being a bomber and then like, you're you're all geared up for getting caught. You're all you've got your fucking manifesto. You've got everything going on. You're going to be super worried. And then you find out that the authorities are really interested in just

ramroding one other dude into prison and they are not going to look at anything towards you. And you're like, well, shit. Well, I guess I won. The authorities and the mainstream media aren't really saying much of anything. No, that's what I'm saying. Hypothetically, hypothetically, you know, the Alex and the internet are all focused in completely other directions. Right. Yeah. I mean, you don't know what the FBI is actually investigating, but it probably would give you a feeling of like, we might get away with this. Yeah. And Alex is probably, I mean, like it all he's doing is serving. I mean, it doesn't matter. I don't know how impactful it is on the actual FBI people, probably not at all. Yeah. But actually they all listen to a show

along with Putin. I think you forgot that the ultimate end result of this though is distracting from the actual investigation. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. So great. Congratulations, Alex. But Alex, you know, even though he's wrong all the time, right, cannot emotionally handle being so right. There he is with the SEAL team. SEAL team head. Oh, man. The guys with the black backpacks look like Chris Kyle. I mean, how dumb do we have to be here? Right where the flags are, right where the bombs went off. And they were running a drill and they told everybody be calm. My God, I cannot believe this. I cannot handle this anymore. They got Navy SEALs, ladies and gentlemen, or people that are from another Special Forces branch dressed like them. Do they?

Out there wearing Navy SEAL hats with big old black backpacks with some guy that looks like Henry Lee Lucas is the patsy. Oh, walking in the patsy. It looks like he's been through electroshock therapy. I cannot sit here and be right anymore. Then leave forever. Go away for good forever and ever. Did you just come? Oh, God, I can't handle it. Oh, God, I wish this was wrong. People say, oh, Alex, you just want to think everything's a stage event. No, I don't. I'm sick of it, man. I wish he was alone. Crazy did this. I wish he wouldn't have happened. You think I like going up against these people? Oh, I can't believe info wars is breaking this. You're not. That was so weird. I think that's

him trying to like meditate or something. That's crazy. Yeah, I'd sounded more like a whimper. Or, or yeah, boy, that might, he might feel like he was actually right for the first time. And it turns out that's the only way he can come. It turns out that he's got one in them. It's so ridiculous. That's the end of it. I'm so right all the time. Oh, man. Oh, my God. Oh, man. Oh, no. And also, I mean, like, I don't want to like put too fine a point on this, but there's still very little care for anybody affected. Oh, does not give a shit. There's not really any indication of empathy. Nope, nothing. It's, it's, this broadcast is almost devoid of concern for victims, survivors, the community of Boston empathy. It's insane. The

entire broadcast is a reflection of a psychopath. So Alex earlier, I think, you know, we discussed a little bit this idea that he's doing opposite of prediction, the post-diction, or he's taking things and applying them to the past that didn't exist. And I think that he fucks up in the middle of this one, trying to do that again. And I've told you yesterday, a couple of days before this happened, I said, don't go be part of drills and don't carry simulant backpacks full of bombs for people. Wait, when did he say that? I mean, again, it's an exact blueprint over and over again. He told you, yeah, days before the bombing. I told you yesterday, days before the bombing. Right, right. He told, he said, afterward, afterwards, don't get involved in,

don't do, be a part of a drill. He didn't say that before. No, he's trying to claim that he did, and he never said, don't carry simulant bombs. Why, why did, what, first off, why do you feel the need to say that to your audience? Wow. Sure. The bigger issue, you know those bombs that you carry in your backpack. Him giving this warning prior to the bombing gives him some sort of a predictive ability that he's presenting, but him saying it afterwards is just being like, Hey, in the future, yeah, don't do this. It's ridiculous. There's predictions, and then there's good advice. Sure. Yeah. So we learn here a little bit more an update on Rob Do's brother, who was the army guy who got some dehydration and was taken out of the race.

There's been, there's been developments, which are actually not developments at all. And then you got Rob Do's brother-in-law, who he talks to all the time, their friends, who's always making fun of us and stuff, who's in army intelligence and was part of the army marathon team who was pulled out. They said, Oh, well, you're dehydrated. We're going to pull you out near the finish. And then now his wife isn't able to talk to his wife or her brother, and they won't talk to us two days later. Why would they? Why would they? If I were them, I wouldn't talk to you ever again either. No kidding. Like you've gone on a show with millions of listeners allegedly. Yeah. And it's said that

being pulled out of a race for dehydration or exhaustion, it's somehow related to a plot to murder civilians. Why would you ever talk to that person ever again? Yeah, that's that would destroy a relationship. That's at least a good long break. Yeah, that's a good long break. Yeah. And especially, I'm not going to talk to you when I know that you're just going to repeat what I say on fucking info wars. How dare you turn my silence? I'm speaking for his brother now. Irresponsible to do that. Right. But if I were in that situation, I would be so furious that you would use my personal life as a way of propping up your propaganda. Like no way. How dare you? I'm going to channel Rob's sister because and I can feel this in the ether. This is something

she's done ever since they were kids. Rob, don't let it go. So Alex now realizes, fuck, we've been getting great ratings for this, but it's only going to continue if we make sure that everything is as over the top as possible. Right. So he's he got off the phone with Paul like 10, 15 minutes prior, but he needs to call Paul back. And if those guys aren't special forces, I'll eat my hat. Eat it. It could be former special forces that are now in police intelligence. I don't know. But Paul Watson, this is the biggest story we've ever covered. This is unbelievable Watson. Do you realize how big this is? And what are your points on this? I just want to make sure in your article you're writing around these photos. Boston bombing culprits identified.

Didn't prove on the comma there. No question. Alex keeps talking to him and he keeps asking like, what are your points? And he's not asking PJ dubs for his, like his take on things. This is an editorial meeting. He's asking him, what's your take on this in order for Paul to say what he's going to put in the article and for Alex to be like, let's punch this up. What are your talking points? Let's make this more extreme. Yep. And Alex thinks that he's just blown this whole thing wide open. It's just so sad to hear this. I mean, this is unprecedented, Watson. Well, that's right. The bag that's photographed near the site of the explosion is the one carried by the stereotypical Hick. Good old boy looking into the bag. Oh, my God.

We may have blown their whole operation today. Because, you know, within minutes, CNN started reporting, it'll be coming out later in Blitzer, who's a total operative, total intelligence operative started flipping out. I mean, I was watching his body language. I'm sorry. You know the whole Pentagon's listing right now. Go ahead, Watson. So now we've created this, like it's firmly in place that there is a dialogue going on between CNN and Alex. Yeah, there's intelligence operatives who are working for CNN and they're freaked out that Alex is covering this. They need to adjust their coverage in order to it's, it's, it's insane. The level of non-reality that's being presented in a very tense, delicate situation when people are

freaking out. People are anxious. They're, they're, they're in, they're in almost a panic state. All this does is to serve to make that worse and also to help get suspicion off of the actual bombers. Yeah. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of amazing. I think Alex managed to turn his job title into just delusions of grandeur. Yeah. Like that. Here's my job. Delusions of grandeur. Certainly during the middle of this episode, I mean, he's always had that right. Like he's always thought that the world circulates around him. It's, it's just interesting to achieve a certain measure of grandeur via only having delusions of grandeur. And you can only really create it around horrible tragedies. Yeah, absolutely. You need that as the fuel that justifies or proves your delusions.

You have to exploit it on a very deep emotional level. Like, like fucking monsters ink you each fear. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why he's, he's facilitating it and why he's making it worse. So this reporting that the FBI has pictures, again, Alex, without any proof, without any information is dead set on his audience believing that it's the same pictures that he has. Well, yes, CNN's report in the authorities have identified one of the suspects involved in the attack by means of video from a department store near the site of the second explosion and video from a Boston television station. And that's the video we were already showing right then. They already knew all this. They already had it. We forced them to go early when they were going

to go at five today. And I privately told you they're going to wait till Obama arrives tomorrow to make the announcements that we may have screwed up their timetable. Watch it. Is this, I'm sorry, go ahead. I am, I'm so speechless. I can't stop talking. Go ahead. This is ridiculous. Like he's, he's just living in a like a fake shit. Like I don't even know I don't know how to put it, but it works. Like, you know what that that's the thing about it is like, at least in this case, the optics are such that like, I get why someone listening would be tricked by this, especially in the absence of real information. I don't really like a lot of the time when people fall for Alex's shit. I look at it and like, I don't understand how you would

believe this. But because of the circumstances that surround this particular instance, like it makes way more sense why people would fall for it. And for him to play the same games that he's playing in that circumstance, like that it's just unacceptable. It's to a level that I just I really, really resent. Yeah. So CNN, they're all intelligence operatives. Yeah, that one was true though. But Wolf Blitzer in particular. Yes. He's a particular type of intelligence operative that empty, vacuous moron of a TV announcer is secretly a massive intelligence operative and not just a United States one. What? By the way, Wolf Blitzer is Israeli intelligence IDF. Just thought I'd add that. Go ahead. Israeli intelligence. Okay. I don't

really think Alex has anything to base this accusation on other than the fact that Wolf Blitzer is Jewish. Okay. That one might be it. Blitzer was born in Germany, whereas parents were living after fleeing Poland, which you recall might, you know, it was full of Nazis at the time. Yes. They fled that ended up in the United States. Right. He was educated here and went on to work for the Tel Aviv desk for Reuters. He worked for an international newswire in Israel and is Jewish. Beyond that, there's no proof that he's an Israeli intelligence. I think this is a blatant act of anti-Semitism and sort of the divided loyalties. Oh, yeah. Sort of the trope that people throw around. This is pretty shitty. This is just just shit. There's not a throw that in there here.

So Alex now believes that he's figured out who the culprits of the bombing are, the military contractors, spies and what have you. And he's found the Patsy that is going to be blamed. They've the multiple Patsy's because you've got the Middle Eastern option, and you got the good old boy option, whichever way they want to go. Alex believes that he's figured this out. And once they reveal the information that the FBI has, they're going to frame these guys. And now they're going to try to frame these guys. Oh my God. They may try to frame the military. I have never seen anything like this in my life. I mean, this is the swappiest crap I have ever seen. But I guess they think we're just total morons. Paul Watson, add more to the articles. Get the Navy SEAL stuff out.

Protect the cover up. We're about to see. Hit them hard. Hit them hard. That's none of this is based in reality. Man, that's a crime. Not compared to what's coming up. Okay. So Alex is really trying to make clear to his audience that there is that two way communication between him and CNN. He reports something CNN has to respond. And it's important because it really elevates the idea that what he's saying means something. And that he's right. And the globalists are so scared. And notice within five minutes of us announcing this, CNN suddenly said, oh, they've identified film footage from a department store and another one. And they have identified, you know, the people, I mean, they had this footage all along.

And this had been out on the web for days. So Boston bombing culprits identified info wars.com. And now the story for Paul Watson to write and others is within five minutes of us announcing this, CNN then instantly talking in their ears. Oh, there's been, you know, oh, they now have suspects from video. Oh, and this the exact video we talked about. Oh, we now have photos. Oh, they're going to arrest them, but it but they're not showing the people. And so are they going to show the patsies that have backpacks and match the bags that were exploded? Or are they going to show you the Navy seal military people? Alternate possibility, completely different video and footage. So I mean, that's not even considered. So who so are. So they're different patsies.

Whatever. Yeah. So Alex, like in reality, like he thinks that he's in this big situation, full of espionage and Israeli intelligence agents who are uh, but in reality, all he's done is found misrepresented pictures on 4chan. That's all he's done. And listen to this, like this is crazy the way he presents 4chan 4chan. The big hacker website went through and we've gone and reverse engineered these. These are real public photos from Twitter, Facebook, news channels. They just compiled it all. It's up at info wars.com. 4chan about 10 hours ago broke this, but just said, what do you think? I went and looked at it. It's definitely Navy seals. It's definitely all there with our intelligence and understanding

of this. And the FBI obviously knew about all this. They had footage. It's a big hacker website, as opposed to being a place where people anonymously post bullshit. Yeah. It's, I mean, it is where you could call it that because that is where anonymous came, came out of, right? Well, I mean, I think that's why one of the things that's difficult about talking about 4chan and to some extent, I guess a channel though, I know much less about it. There are a lot of different boards on there. Right. And a lot of different things happen on those different boards. Right. So to say it's all like one thing is dumb. Yes. And also because of the anonymity and because of the sort of people who gravitate towards that.

People who want to say the N word a lot. Certainly boards for that. Like a lot of it has to be taken as like, this is not by itself credible information. Right. And Alex is presenting it as a hacker site and all this because it also lends the idea that like this is all credible information. And it's deeply found information, you know, and it's not. It's just random bullshit. That's anonymous dum-dums on the internet have posted. Yeah. No, I'm just saying I can understand why he would make that jump because it's not like he's going to the fucking anime forums. No, you know, he doesn't fucking know. No. So he's decided that this hillbilly guy who

he called the R word earlier is the Patsy, one of the designated Patsys. Sure. And so Alex decides to descend into what I would describe as a fairly offensive reenactment of how that guy got roped into the drill. And I've seen it. And they get like some poor homeless guy. Tell him, you're in the army now. We need you for national security. You're going to fight for America now. What? And we need you to be part of this drill to test security. We're doing a big drill. I will do it. You're going to get $5,000 billy after you do this for America. And they hop them up on Halcyon, sodium pentothal, Thorazine, and they roll them out drooling. And that's the end of it.

That's the end of it. And I mean, hell, you could have the Navy seals on video going, we're going to detonate the bomb now. Here, little kid, mind holding that. And people would say, that's not real. Man, I tell you, wow, this government has just got some evil people working for it. And I told you they'd pick little kids. I guarantee they were shopping around looking for some kids in the crowd. That's disgusting. And none of that is real. None of that's based on anything other than Alex's fucking fantasies. Like that's all that he's doing. He's disseminating his sickness as truth to his audience. It's gross. So he's mad now that CNN is trying to steal his glory. He broke this story about his pictures on 4chan. Man, it's really an unfortunate coincidence.

That it's happening in a similar timescale. Whereas why are we having a fake fight with somebody who's not paying attention to us that we think is always paying attention to us? It's so stupid. And this is actually where CNN makes their critical misstep. And these photos have been out for days, for days. We report it. And within five minutes, CNN goes, this just out. This just for then five minutes, CNN goes, oh, this just out. They've got footage from this and that, the same footage. And they don't show it though. And then later, well, we've made the arrest. We've made that. And they're like, just on Fox during the break there, ladies and gentlemen, you see the whole cover up. Ladies and gentlemen, it's a lone person. This individual now be brought

to justice. I tune to the next channel. CNN, it's a lone person. The families have got to be elated. Tune to the next channel. Word for word. From Fox to CNN, MSNBC, back there on the satellite. Then I ran here and talked to Stuart real quick. And I tuned in MSNBC. Same thing. They're going, well, the families will be elated. They've got the lone wolf. It's looking like it's going to be a white conservative. We're going to be finding out. I mean, ladies and gentlemen, the scripting from Family Guy to Founding Fathers, every show, every movie, Patriots are going to blow you up. Gun owners are going to blow you up. They're going to link up with Al Qaeda. Family Guy, the turbaned cowboy, who bombs the marathon and runs, I mean, this is so over the top right now that I told Stuart,

I have never, never broken something this big, never been more certain, never been more freaked out looking at hundreds of these photos. I mean, we're going to find out very soon. They may change their plans now because of this and we need your prayers. They might change their plans, getting yourself out of the little trap you've sent for yourself once again. So right there at the end, that is how I know Alex is full of shit. They may change the story is such a cowardly get out of jail free card. That's him preparing his audience for literally all evidence to be completely opposite of what he's yelling at them, hoping that they're naive enough to believe that the difference in reality and Alex's narrative is due to the globalists in the media changing the story because

Alex was too right. It's a sad, pathetic gamble that no one would make. It's a gambit, excuse me, that no one would make unless they know that, hey, once the dust settles, I'm going to be wrong about this. It's an act of someone like the metaphor that I always make about the wet concrete and being able to write your initials in it until it dries. It's the act of someone who recognizes that they can't do shit once the concrete's dry. And you have to prepare for eventually that concrete's going to be dry by whatever they write and that is a lie or whatever. So like I said, this is one of the biggest fuck ups that the media was absolutely guilty of in the bombing coverage. CNN reported that one suspect had been arrested based on information allegedly from three

sources. From there, a lot of other outlets picked up on the story and reported that news, or at least reported that CNN was reporting it. As we know, this was not true. And CNN was forced to make a retraction which really hurt the media's image in a time when they needed it the most. The nation was anxious, Boston particularly so, and it's the media's job to convey the information that people need, so this kind of fuck up is a really bad look. CNN turned out to be wrong, and I think that they should have been more cautious, but ultimately they did the right thing and retracted the story and apologized. It's fairly easy to see how this mistake could be made by people who meant well but didn't double and triple check info that was coming from sources

they presumably trusted, but even if you can see how this sort of thing could happen, it doesn't take away how much of an unnecessary, egregious error this is. Here we're witnessing Alex Jones to use his phrasing piss all over reality as it relates to the bombing, and he's never going to apologize for being wrong about literally every aspect that I've heard of this. He doesn't have to, he's a liar by trade, so he doesn't give a shit when he completely fucks up a story. When CNN has to retract a major story like this in the midst of a very high profile ongoing situation, what happens is that Alex is being given a perfect opportunity to attack the media and pretend like they're always wrong, and by extension he's always right. Of course,

Alex is always right. When's the last time you heard him retract a story? Yeah, that's true. He's always right. Never retracted a story, that's for damn sure. Listening to this episode, it's almost like I'm starting to be able to see this spin happening like in Matrix bullet time. You just know how it's going to play out. They're going to retract the story about the arrest, and Alex is going to say that them changing the story is because he's too hot on their heels. It's just, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy, and it's sad that CNN was too capricious with their reporting. I understand why they did it, and if they did in fact have three sources that they trusted that were telling them that, it doesn't make it a horrible act of reporting,

but the circumstances turned out to be that the effect of it was awful. Well, I mean, it's, it's fucked up because in the same, it's the same thing as somebody saying it's, there's going to be a, there's going to be a school shooting coming up is like saying, oh, the, the media is going to mistake, make them as sooner or later, they're going to, right, and you've already set the stage for the one mistake that they make is every mistake that they make. And it's like, there's nothing you can do about it other than ignore it. The media is going to fuck up. They need to learn from that and they need to change their policy in order to deal with that, but flagellating themselves over a fuck up is only going to play into that right

wing narrative that they're always wrong. Flagellating is not necessarily appropriate, but post mortems dissecting what went wrong. Absolutely. And how to improve is a really important piece of media criticism. And I've, you know, read a bunch of articles about this, like sort of looking back on what went wrong and what went right during this coverage. And that's the sort of thing that really healthy ecosystems of media engage in. And you never see that from Alex. And it's just, or the right wing at all. No, but Alex is the like big game in town in terms of this stuff in 2013. Yeah. Like he's, he's like, it's hard to also wrestle with that in 2019, where you have so many different shops that are so similar to Alex. Whereas back then he was the

king. Yeah. Isn't Hannity still on the Seth Rich tip? Not in 2013. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. So Alex gets to talking to the oath keepers now because Stuart Rhodes comes in and he's on the phone. There's another oath keeper guy who's on there. And so like I talked about at the beginning of this episode, all groups had their permits pulled for the two week moratorium. They're presenting it as it's just attack on the oath keepers. This narrative almost completely blows up on air, because Alex asks if other events had their permits pulled. Oh, he should not have done that. And listen to how this gets sort of dealt with. I'm correct in saying they're at Lexington and Concord. Don't they have dozens and dozens of different events in the different areas? I wonder

if they're letting them have all their other events or it's just you being discriminated against. The MA chapter of gun rights across America, Steve Redfern and Stuart Rhodes founder of oath keepers. Please finish your story. Well, from what I gather now, the counter protest is that we're set up to be demonstrating against us are not going to be stopped from their counter protest because they did not pull permits and are not required to for some reason. So I expect to turn out in Lexington still to counter protest my pro gun rally. That's not going to be happening anymore. What about the other events on on April 19th and the reenactment things like that? Well, the reenactment took place this past Monday. They do with early. So that's not going to be

a march from Concord Bridge down to Lexington. Yeah, from what I gather, they did that early this year. No, but only the mayors against guns people are allowed to demonstrate without permits. You don't get to you evil rascally right winger. This is just incredible. I mean, this is a big deal. So the specifics that they ended up asking about were things that had already happened. Yeah. And so they didn't have to deal with the fact that other events absolutely did have their permits pulled. But if they had talked about any other events scheduled for the 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st or whatever that whole weekend, they would have been like, Oh, no, it was everybody. It's not it's not just us. Yeah,

this is that almost fell apart so hard. Yeah, you can see it. You can see the the like, uh oh, that would kind of hurt our argument. Yeah, the only reason he asked it was so you would say no. And it's just us. You didn't what there were no, but they don't give specifics. Right. How many times do we have to tell you this? And that other guy who's not Stuart Rhodes isn't like on the game. Who is that guy? This guy gun weirdo from Massachusetts. Just a gun weirdo there. And he's like, Oh, I'm going to tell the truth. He's involved. He's involved in the event, but I don't know exactly. I don't care. So in the present day, there's a lot of civil war talk from the right wing. Oh, um, and he, guess what? They've always been talking. No, have they? I mean,

it's just a bunch of crazy scum. Of course they can't have you guys up there showing people what America is really all about. Yeah, this is, we, you know, we are in a cold or these people and events that's going to turn hot. You just, you know, you have to realize that everything you possibly can to crush, to crush our culture and stamp us out. And so I think it, you know, in the long term, it's going to come to a fight. And now they're really Stuart. Now they're really freaked out because I think this is all backfiring on him. I don't just say that. I see it for the last six years, people in this, these communities, these media ecosystems have been being told and believing that we are in a cold civil war with our political enemies and a fight is inevitable.

Right. It's going to turn hot. Right. They've been preparing for this. Oh, absolutely. Shift in rhetoric whenever it's needed. Right. And you know, that's because it's not, it's not a new phenomenon. The right wing media can't tell them the truth, which is that there are a bunch of fucking cowards who are afraid of any kind of progress or diversity and would rather smash things than deal with it. And they're not going to do anything because they're again, aforementioned cowards. That's what they can't be told. But they can have a rally on Lexington Green without a permit and go to them. So Alex announces that there's another guest coming up. And when he said this, I realized we were in deep trouble.

Thousands of thoughts racing through my mind as I analyze the battlefield spectrum. We're seeing Dr. Steve Pachennick has got on his site some false flag info. We'll get his full take at the bottom of the next hour. And our guests are going to leave us in a moment and I'm going to shut up and open the phones up for listeners to give us your take on what you've seen. So Alex wants hearsay from listeners, right? And Steve Pachennick is going to come in and give his two cents. Great. He is becoming very big part of this, this broadcast. And he, I don't know how else to put it. He's a fucking lunatic. Yeah, like what he ends up bringing to the table is I don't, I don't know how I feel. I'm reticent to say it this way.

He's lucky. He's not in prison. Yeah. Quite frankly. Okay. It's to this day. Okay. And we'll get to that when Steve shows up. So Alex has declared victory over the media because CNN has retracted the arrest reporting. Right. And then he starts rocking out. Unbelievable. We have blown their up. They're now announcing they didn't make an arrest. They are in absolute route right now because no one ever engages them. No one ever sees them. You know, I kind of feel his passion. I feel his passion. Sure. He's wrong about everything, but I'm a little amped too. I do want to crank it up. I do love that sort of jaunty nonsense. Yeah. Part of this could easily be explained by him. He repeatedly says he's on two hours of sleep.

So part of a lot of this really terrible work could be easily explained by like, I haven't slept. I'm drawing connections that don't exist. Last night I spent all of my time with Andrew W. K. We're cranking it up all day. And it's just, this is terrible. This is terrible. So Alex, you know, he's been laughing a lot about this bombing and all this stuff because it's a tragedy. No. No. Oh, sorry. Gallows humor. And if you hear me laughing, folks, that's Gallows humor. That's my brain going. Here's endorphins. Stand up for the children. Stand up for the women. It's like all my ancestors. It's like your ancestors. Stand up. The enemy's coming. You're just going to fight them. Stand up. Fight them. And my brain just says, you did the

right thing. You're a good man. You're a good man. You see the bad men, don't you, Alex? God's spirit shining right through me like he shines right through you is saying, that's what you do, my son. That's what you do, my daughters. That's what you do. You see the evil. See, evil always has to be out in the open. It needs you to lie to yourself. I mean, this is false flag. We have them now. This is it. The way Alex is like brain and his conception of God speaks to him is very patronizing. It's very infantilizing. Good boy. Even his rationalizing for laughing on air somehow winds up with him back at the end being like, and that's why I'm happy about this tragedy. It's like, no, you were supposed to be saying that you... Even if you're going to present things this way,

a more human way to do it would be, this is an absolute awful, awful situation. These people lost their lives. People lost loved ones. A city is traumatized. It doesn't make up for that. But at least through this, we were able to find evidence of government machinations. Honoring the lives lost in humanity of this while at the same time trying to make your anti-government arguments is possible. And he doesn't do that because he doesn't care. Of course not. It's not Gallows humor. He doesn't give a fuck about this. No one is going on TV after a fucking mass shooting and then being like, guys, we do it. Now we get to take their guns. Aren't we all excited about this? That would kind of be the opposite for the equivalent. Exactly. So Alex, like I was saying

earlier, this is a really important thing to do whenever you're trying to process information. If you have an idea about something, one of the things that you need to do is consider alternate possibilities and go from there. That is a really easy and important first step towards testing your assumptions about things. What else could explain this phenomenon that I'm seeing? It's just like you learn this is in junior high, high school. Yeah, it's it's pretty simple stuff. And that might be too late. Maybe, maybe. So Alex is kind of trying to imply that he has done that. Sure. I mean, my God, I'm trying to think every angle of how this isn't what I'm seeing and it is. I mean, this is incredible. And there's the one of the patsies. Oh, my God.

There. Oh, my God, this is that they set the stupid patsies up. Oh, yeah, that's the guy. That's the one they have the backpack from the back shot wearing all black right there next to the other guy. I mean, this is incredible. And now they're ops blown. Now your ops blown. People know about the drill. They knew what to look for taunting the new world order. Wow. This is so stupid. Wow. So stupid. Try harder. You can't he's not trying for the entire time it took you to say I'm trying. He's not capable of actually trying because trying is hard. It is really hard. If he were to portray any of the things that he's covering in an honest fashion, like I don't even think most of his audience would find it compelling. No, because

they would just be like, Oh, well, I mean, there's obviously an explanation for this that isn't doesn't match your paranoid anti-government bullshit. Like he knows that he doesn't have a place in the world if he tries. Yeah. The only the only thing you try at is lying. And that's this is the result of it. I don't think he needs to try with that either. Like I said, it's also, I think that just flows from him like from a goose. Wow. So Alex goes to calls and he gets a caller who is very dumb. Huge breakthrough. This is regarding the police radio transmission at the time of the bombing. You can find it by searching blog dog, Boston, marathon, log dog, police radio, blonde, blonde, blonde dog, blog,

BL, OG, DOG, blog dog. Don't say that. Boston, marathon, police radio, police radio. The police radio with the timestamp goes from calm business as usual to an officer breaking in panic saying, definitely devices here. I need officers. Definitely, definitely devices here. He's the first reporting officer and he doesn't say there've been two explosions. This is ultra massive. Can you send that to showtipsandinfullwar.com? Turns out, don't need to do it because blog dog Boston police scanner is good enough. Alex finds this site, but unfortunately, this narrative explodes right in front of their eyes.

Yeah, we already found it. Boston Marathon bombing police radio. Guys, queue that up. We'll cover it after the break. And oh my God, yeah, 251.30. And I guess that's right when it happened, huh? Into explosion. He goes right to definitely devices here. I need officers. Definitely, definitely devices here. When obviously the bombs are just gone off. Yeah, I should have been taking your calls. This intel is incredible. Gallows humor. So blog dog is exactly what you might think it is. Some dudes blog. Dog. Looking over the guy's front page from around this time. His reporting is mostly just reposting and commenting on info wars articles. Right. So this seems like kind of a feedback

loop in this situation. So if you're paying attention, the way that this is being presented is this cop in the recording is stumbled onto the bombs and is trying to alert people that there are devices. And this is important. She's saying that this is like the first reporting officer as if this is before the explosions. This is just a noble cop who's not part of the drill who realizes something is up and they're trying to save people. However, if you listen to Alex, he's clearly contradicted this narrative already. The first bomb went off at 249 pm and the second was 14 seconds later. The timestamp Alex just gave was 251 pm. This is two minutes after the explosion. This is not the first reporting of the bombing on police radio. It's a case of a cop

thinking that he'd found another bomb, which makes total sense to hear on a police scanner in the aftermath of something like this. You don't know what's going on. You can't be too careful about the possibility that there might be more bombs. If you find something suspicious, of course you're going to call it in and get support. That's all that's going on here and is being twisted by liars like Blogdog, this caller, and Alex into proof of their dumb false flag theories. This narrative is further complicated, though, because I think Alex realizes that the clip that, you know, that in what he was saying, the 251 is after the bombs went off. So he tries to spin it into being a thing where this clip is on the police radio proves that the police had foreknowledge of

what to look for. I would argue that the two bombs had just gone off. So with or without any preparation, if you're the protector of public safety, I think you might immediately get the message with or without anyone telling you to keep your eyes out for anything that looks like a bomb. There's no prep necessary. This is a natural reaction that you would expect to see. And you know what else you expect to see? Professionals. So the other people on the police radio aren't going to be yelling like, Oh my God, battle them. Yeah. No, they're trained to handle crises. That's that. How does how does this woman drive? You know, you have I thought you were going to say dress. No, no dress herself. Yeah, I wonder that too. I was thinking the same thing about

driving. It's like, well, how do you hold so many things in your head at a time when you're this stupid? Well, actually, there's a remote training course for driving on blog dog. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. Yeah, it also teaches you ten and two. It also teaches you where to hide your guns. Yeah, there's a link. So Alex has basically just formed this narrative that the media is responding to his coverage. He is leading the world in terms of Boston bombing coverage. I am just blown away because during the break, I saw all this happening. I saw them five minutes after we broke this in media, seeing income out and say there's breaking news. They now have suspects from video and they described the department store video and the man running before they showed it. Then hours later,

this is the video we were playing. They're watching us right now. Then it showed the video and then I knew they'll start doling it out now. And I said on air, they'll probably say now they don't have someone arrested because now that we've already said all this, they can't show the Patsy. This is incredible. What's happening? This is world historic because we've already shown the other guys that are in with him and around him. So we've blown the operation, which is just incredibly dangerous. Dangerous. My life's flashing before my eyes. So that's going on. That's not going on. So this is the space that he's living in. This is a crazy thing. If you listen to him and you believe saying anything real, you're listening to a guy like really, I mean, we can hear it and

we're like, this is a paranoid delusion or just presenting a paranoid delusion in order to make your show more interesting. Right. One of the two. Right. But if you're listening and you believe in like this is groundbreaking stuff. See, I tend to believe that he's being sincere here, mainly because for somebody who has broken so many scoops, who has been proved correct so many times, 99% of the time over 20 years, it really should be old hat. It really should be old hat. Right? Yeah. He shouldn't be this blown away by thinking he might actually be right one time. I think that an alternative explanation for that could be found in that clip with Paul, where he's talking about how the traffic is through the roof. And he realizes, I got to figure out exactly how to

maximize that. Right. Right. That's true. That's true. Like these elements are falling into my lap that really work towards the narratives that I need to build to maximize traffic. Yeah. Whatever sort of sense of sincerity that you're hearing could be sincerity on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm making money. But it's really hard to tell exactly which it is. Yeah. But it's almost certainly one of the two. It's could be both. It's definitely not that the FBI is listening in right now. Yeah. And that the globalists are adjusting their media coverage. 100% not that. Because Alex has ruined the Patsy for them. Sure. As if he could ruin the Patsy for them. If it was a Patsy, the best person to have called it a Patsy is Alex Jones. Perhaps. So Alex now decides what

actually happened during the bombing. Yeah. And I want to be clear before I play this, he's making all of this up. I don't know how they're going to get around now, saying there's no John, no, number two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 20. Because they had people lining the last few miles saying it's a drill. It's a drill with black backpacks. I guess so there were the plan was probably have a drill with so many black backpacks. Everybody compartmentalized that when our Patsy's deliver them, the cops don't have time to save people. Boom. That's what happened. I mean, I mean, I just boom. That's why. Why would you have a mile plus line with back with black backpacks? It's so no one could stop it. And then it's

a fog of war. No one knows who did it. So I mean, there's nothing to base this on other than, ah, I just came up with it. So there's a mile long black backpack rack. I don't know in order for everybody to hang their black backpacks. I don't know. This is like, he's just making this up. Yeah. It's ah, ah, ah, the plan. Wow. So many black backpacks. This is absolutely ridiculous. He's losing his mind. He needs a nap. Yeah. Yeah. This is nuts. Yeah. So all this is really bad and irresponsible. But one of the things that is important to pay attention to is like the motive is very, there's a motive very clearly in that like we're getting more traffic. Let's maximize this. Yeah. But the other motive is in how you present what is happening and what this ultimately means.

And this is where we get to that. And Alex says some stuff that is very irresponsible. What is it? This is it. What? This is the culmination of Alex's prophecies about them blowing stuff up and blaming the Patriots. If you believe that, then war is on. Yeah. All right. Let's go ahead and talk to who's up next here. Steve in Pennsylvania. You're on the air worldwide during the launch of the globalist offensive. Go ahead. Yeah. Alex, how are you? I mean, I am just, this is it. This is the big one. This is the beginning of all of it. This is the beginning of all of it. The globalists have struck. Man.

If you're primed for the narratives that Alex has put into the world, this is a call. Yep. This is a call to war. I know he's not saying that in one clip, but it's almost impossible to escape that as the conclusion. Yeah. If this is the big one, this is it. This is it. This is it. This is the beginning of the globalist offensive. What are you prescribing? It's clear. Right. Well, I mean, the good news is, again, cowards, but second, it kind of shows that his audience's reach isn't that huge. There are, you know, or you would expect a percentage if he's got millions upon millions of listeners. You would expect more fucking ridiculous info wars based terror attacks,

I guess. I mean, you've seen enough. Yeah. Right. Well, I'm interested to know now that Fox News is calling for a civil war, how much, how much civil war we're going to have. Probably none. Yeah. I don't think we need to get like too descending into those scary fantasies. Oh, no, no, no. But so this caller that Alex is talking to here, and he's saying this is the big one. This guy's really dumb. Yeah. These callers today are real dumb. Real dumb. And this one actually is relevant to our investigation. The Sandy Hook one. Hey, Alex, how are you? I mean, I am just, this is it. This is the big one. This is the beginning of all of it. You know, I called him before probably a month ago or so about the whole Sandy Hook thing. And now, you know, this whole thing that's going on.

I looked into that Sandy Hook thing deeper. And I found that the Airquids gas company bought in 2009, bought out the city of Sandy Hook. And so did State Connect and so did New Town. So what I found out my deep searching was that nobody has lived in Sandy Hook for the past three years. If you go on the US Census interactive map, select places on the interactive map, and then zoom into New Town, and you'll see New Town on the west side of I-84 light up. But on the right side of I-84 and east side, you will not see a population light up at all. Sir, anything is possible at this point. They put out a family guy where they blow up the marathon and run over people with cars at the finish line of the very marathon. And then they came out and said, not

that we edited it, they put the two clips together in the same episode. They said it doesn't exist. So yes, they're going for everything. And I can't believe Dan Badandi, God bless him, got into the press conferences. Whoopty shit. So first of all, Sandy Hook is not a city or a town. It's a village within New Town. When this guy is looking at the US Census interactive map, and he doesn't see a population for Sandy Hook, that's because the map doesn't take things to the granular level of villages within towns. New Town has a population that's displayed, which contains the residents of the village of Sandy Hook. There's nothing suspicious about this, unless you're very dumb, or trying to make an argument that's not based on reality,

which this caller is one of the two or both. What he's talking about with the Iroquois gas company is that they built a 1.6 mile stretch of underground pipeline through Sandy Hook in order to provide additional gas to the northeast of the country. This was proposed in 2007. You can find a New Town B article discussing the suggested plans. If you do look up that article, you'll find that this plan was to build not a new pipeline, but to build an additional pipeline to supplement the one they'd already built back in 1989, which finished construction in 1991. So the big issue that they ran into was that there were a number of houses that had been built in the area since 1991 that would make it almost impossible to just wantonly build another stretch of pipe.

And in order to do so, they would quote need to purchase land use easements from about six property owners. The Iroquois gas company didn't buy out the village of Sandy Hook. They just had to pay off a couple landowners in order to give permissions to build this pipeline supplement. There's no truth or evidence to any of the stuff that this caller is saying, but this is an interesting example of Alex's sloppiness. He has no idea what this caller is talking about, but to his credit, he doesn't pretend that he does, which is weird. Yeah, for the first time. Yeah. However, not to his credit. Alex's response is anything's possible. Yep. And he rants about this other contrived bullshit he's trying to push about the Boston

bombing like the family guy episode. I would say that Alex's inability to critically assess this information from his caller is something, you know, about something so massive as an accusation that no one lived in Sandy Hook is a really bad sign for his coverage moving forward. I really don't, I think that indicates an openness to these large scale conspiracies about Sandy Hook. So it's like, it's like one of those prefab towns that they used to test nuclear weapons on in the desert. I mean, who knows, who knows what, you know, how you want to dress it up. Yeah. Yeah. So now Jordan, man, these people are really, really dumb. I mean, it's, you want to believe in a baseline of, of, you know, humanity or really gullible or really malicious. Yeah. Like at the

root of it, it's someone with malice because it's someone misrepresenting facts. Like this person didn't look into the Iroquois gas company and then find that they bought the city out. Yeah. What he did is he found some blog post about this that misrepresented the land use easements that were bought as proof. Are you saying that was his deep research? Yes. He probably found a blog post by like James Tracy or Fetzer. That's more than Paul Joseph Watson did regarding the weather. Sure. So now Jordan, yeah, everything goes terribly wrong with the Stevie P's Steve Pachanik shows up. Oh boy. And Alex intros him by bragging that CNN is freaking out about what Alex is doing on it. This is unprecedented. And then I'm predicting on air now they'll say they didn't have the arrest

because we blew their operation. Then they withdraw the arrest. This is, they are in the reporters who are all CIA and Israeli intelligence like Wolf Britzer are melting down. They look like their lives are over. This is freaking me out. I'm watching them during the breaks, doctor. And you're a psychiatrist. They are freaked out. What has just happened from the intel I gave you because believe me, I don't BS when I'm I do not bull crap. What I'm telling you is the data stream I'm getting. This is this is this is off the chart. What do you say to that? Well, as always, Alex, you and I come to the same conclusion, ironically, for two different points. Oh boy. So Steve is validating all of this stuff. But like he said, we're coming to the same

conclusion that this is a false flag from two different angles. Steve is going to explain his angle. But listen to this clip very carefully, because both Steve and Alex are making maybe too much of a point pretending that they haven't talked off air. Okay, which seems to be pretty consistent in Steve's appearances, trying to make sure people don't think that they're sharing information. And one of the reasons why I called you yesterday, I didn't see any of the point, you know, I didn't have any advantage you hit on the video. But this is what I wrote. And it's not different from what you said. I didn't even know this. I didn't even know this. I didn't even know. No, Alex doesn't know this. This is what I wrote. The unintended consequences of the Boston

massacre, the specific indictment, what happened to Bush and Obama and the US military for the tortures of 9-11 prisoners were reported on the same day as the Boston massacre at the level just below, but nobody read it. It was in the New York Times, a far more serious indictment accusing Bush, Jr. and Obama of war crimes equivalent to that of the Nazi war crimes and the Japanese internments during World War II. And I predicted, my own psychologically, that there would be a false flag to cover this and lo and behold, you and I came to the same conclusion and I wrote a blog to that effect. I don't see a blog post from him before predicting this. Isn't that a surprise? So look, there were two reports about torture that came out in April

2013. So initially, when Steve was talking like this, I didn't know exactly what he was talking about. I had to figure it out. I ended up going to his blog and figuring it out. But regardless of which he is talking about, his main point is that he believes that the Boston bombing was a false flag because there was a bipartisan committee that just decided that people carrying out the war on terror had committed war crimes in terms of torture among other acts and that the bombing was meant to make sure no one noticed the reporting on this report. Right. One of the reports was put out by a non-profit called the Center for Victims of Torture and nothing I'm going to say is meant to impute them at all. They have no, Steve is not related to them at all. From what I can

tell, they're a group whose mission is to fight against the use of torture and further to establish centers where survivors of torture can rehabilitate and hopefully get back to a normal happy life. I don't know a ton about them as an organization, but from everything I can find, they seem like they're doing really important work for people very much in need of protection. This is a report that advocates for stopping torture and for Congress to fund rehabilitation programs for victims. And it is not the report Steve is talking about. Yeah, the fact that they that that organization even needs to exist is a fucking indictment of humanity. But yeah, and it's it's more widespread than just United States torture. It's international torture. Yeah. Again, the fact that a need for

that exists is nightmarish. So I consulted Steve's blog, like I said, and I figured out what he's talking about. And it's a report that was released by the Constitution Project. I don't like that. It's titled The Report of the Constitution Project's Task Force on Detainee Treatment. This again is a report that was released by a nonprofit advocacy group. But Steve is literally calling it an indictment. That kind of language is so sloppy for someone like him. Since I guess you could say that it's indicting their behavior in the court of public opinion. Sure. But this is not a government or legal product. Right. And as Steve will go on to say, this is an indictment that will lead to them being arrested. Oh, like he's pretending that this is some sort of a real

actual criminal indictment. They're going to get Obama. They're gonna get the dubs. They're gonna get the whole fucking criminal organization. This report is 600 pages long. And I don't believe that for one second that Alex or Steve even got to page nine of this thing. They just see a report on torture, decide to connect it to the bombing as a motive for the false flag, and it's off to the races. And I didn't choose page nine randomly. If they'd got to page nine, they would have found this passage. Quote, this report was supported in part by grants from the Atlantic Philanthropies, the Open Society Foundation, Open Society Policy Center, Proteus Fund, Rockefeller Brothers Fund. This report was funded by grants from Soros and the Rockefellers. Now, if they're the string pullers

of people like Obama and Bush, why would they pay for a report into detainee abuse to be written, which they then have to pull off a false flag to cover up once it's going to be released? That seems like a level of self defeating bullshit that kind of invalidates this entire argument. Soros, pay for the fucking report. Okay. Well, that makes me feel better. Anytime we talk about any organization that has constitution, I'm like, they're probably murdering people as we speak. It gets my eyebrow up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Constitution Project is largely funded by grants from Soros and his foundation. Of course it is. So this makes this complete bullshit. Why? Why? Because the motive doesn't exist. They run the fucking grants that are

funding the fucking report. It's so good to get away with being lazy. That's so much work. They would have had to change their narrative. They would have to do so much. Again, this didn't take much work for me to get to the bottom of it. They would have had to read nine pages, Dan. So much work. Skim nine pages. Yeah. So much work. And also, none of this is to say anything against investigating the torture that's been carried out. Oh, no, no, they totally committed war crimes. Steve's point on that level. I agree with 100% committed war crimes. Now the argument that this is a false flag in order to bury that report, I 100% disagree with. And I do believe that that is taking attention away from the very important conversation about the detainee abuse

that Steve is supposedly trying to bring light to. Yeah, that is terrible. Why would you cover up your torture? You got away with it and half the people were like, go more torture. Also, in December, 2014, the Senate Intelligence Committee released their torture report, which actually had way more of a possibility of putting people in legal jeopardy. And somehow, the globalists didn't pull off a false flag trying to strike people around that time. Weird. Nor did they prosecute anybody. No, weird though. Kind of like all this is bullshit made up nonsense. So anyway, Steve and Alex go on to talk about this report because now they found the motive for the bombing. Sure. Earlier, Alex found the culprit. You found the Patsy. He is in

conversation telepathically with CNN or whatever. Now they have the motive. And I heard Fox News, we want a report, a bipartisan commission founds universal collusion between Intelligence Army and the Pentagon to torture and cover it up and that this is a crime. And a good people in government are finally saying no. And I didn't even remember. We just showed the news article. Is that why they did knowing this was coming out? Exactly why they did it. Because this indictment basically puts therefore, Obama and Bush Jr. in prison on an trial and makes them totally illegitimate. In the world of counterterrorism, they would be so-called neutralized, arrested and put in prison. No, they wouldn't. This is a non-profit policy think tank

that has put out this report. This is not a legal indictment in any way. This also isn't good people in government because these weren't people in government. It might have been people who had passed careers in government. They might have been former people in Congress or it's a lot of lawyers and stuff. And it's funded by Soros. I feel like I'm given a viewpoint into like the Coke fueled night that they wrote back to the future. You know, like, all right, man, his best friend is like this old fucking scientist. And we're going to open with him dying. And then he's going to go back in time and his mom's going to try and bang him. But that's not going to be cool. But we're going to make it kind of sexy. I don't know why. Let's keep going.

Like Jesus Christ, man. Right. All you need, it's like that Jesus lizard metaphor. You got the surface and that's all you got. You got to keep moving. You got to build this in fast or else you're going to fall in that fucking water. You take a second to critically read this report. It's it everything falls apart. Yeah. Now, the good guys in government is very reminiscent of the counter coup narrative that Steve Pachennik pulled on Alex in 2015 to help ease his way into supporting Trump. What do you know? There's a counter coup going on in 2013. So let me ask you this. This to me shows a counter coup in the government to have bipartisan say this is wrong that a large part of the establishment as I've been told is actually freaked out by this tyranny

and realizes there's no stability of this continues. Correct. This is exactly right, Alex. And that's what we've been saying all along. You have been saying that long. That was a pre show interview question. If I ever heard one, he has been saying it all along and he continues to say forever and ever. You see this? You see this? It's always the same. It doesn't change. No, there's a counter coup going on in 2013. There's a counter coup going on in 2015. You just pretended it's not the exact same bullshit you say all along. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's broke. Well, yeah, but I mean, it's working for them. I guess so. So anyway, Steve lies more about how this is an indictment. It's going to put people in prison, but it's

covered up by the bombing. Sure, sure, sure. The real issue is that this whole issue covered the basic story of the indictment of Bush Jr. and two presidents and for court crimes, which normally would have put them in prison and would have incarcerated normally took the attention totally away because nobody even listened to it. So you've got this firmly normally firmly in place from a very reputable source. Normally give me the give me the fucking last president that didn't commit war crimes for Christ's sake. I can't I can't tell you that. Yeah, no kidding. So, you know, we've already had Alex say this is the big one, the globalist offensive has begun. We've had Stuart Rhodes, the leader of a potential paramilitary organization.

Say that war is inevitable. It's a cold war we have and it's going to turn hot. What does Steve think? I mean, what does this signify internally signifies is that our country is splitting apart exactly as I said to you before. There will be an internal civil war if this continues. And I think the New York Times has been exceedingly helpful, at least to me, in signifying how much of a. So you're saying a certain part of the establishment gets they're going to lose a war with the states. Well, it's not only that it's a certain part of the establishment is against exactly Obama Bush, the suppression, the false flags, and they've been showing it to guys like me in a hidden way. Steve thinks the newspaper is talking to him. Alex thinks he's

in this communication with CNN or his reporting alters they're reporting. Steve reads articles in the newspaper and thinks that the editors are placing them there to send hidden messages to him. And I'm not saying that like as I'm assuming that literally what he's saying. Dan, did he just say that they are communicating to him by hidden messages in the paper? That article about this Constitution Project report being in the paper is a message to Steve. Okay, okay. So just everybody's the Zodiac Killer. Just everybody's the Zodiac Killer in Steve's mind. Cool. These are delusions that are being presented as real information to a vulnerable and gullible audience. Wow. This is so irresponsible. And it gets so

much more irresponsible as Steve starts talking about what we need to do. Oh, no. Dr. Steve Pacenek, you're absolutely right. It all crystallized now. And you were telling me during the break, this is a war on America. Describe what's happening. And as a psych warfare expert who's brought down authoritarian regimes, what do you say people should be doing? Well, I think people in America should start being organized. That's not a good sign. Usually people need to be. I mean, I think, you know, civic organization is good. You know, generally speaking, whenever people want to get together, we talked about unionizing. I like unionizing. I like an organization like a good general strike.

But when Stevie P says organizing, boy, that sounds like malicious. And you're on a show where you've already placed all of this. This is a war on America. Yeah. You know, your best friend is Stuart fucking Rhodes, who was on earlier saying war is inevitable. Steve has already said there's a civil war that's going to come. Jesus. And it's not good because now Alex has been convinced of Steve's narrative. And that's the motive for the bombing to cover this stuff up. And now he dehumanizes pretty much anyone who doesn't agree with him. And so many people are obsessed with what your neighbors think. Forget your neighbors. If your neighbors don't know we're in trouble, they don't even count.

They're not even people. And I realize more and more, if you're not aware, if you're not awake, if you're not involved, you are dead. You're an animal. And people, you choose to be human or you choose to be an animal. That's so fucked up, man. I am I am coming to you with a extremist anti government message. The globalists are making their offensive. I've got a psych warfare guy on here telling me it's time to organize. I had a militia leader say that war is inevitable. And you know what? If people don't agree with you, they're dead already. Fucking hell, man. How do these messages get heard by people? Like, I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can, I can, like, I just see them jerking off to the idea of killing a lib. That's just what they want.

Alex probably. Yeah. I think Steve is a little bit more. He doesn't want to picture. He doesn't want to pull the trigger or nothing, but oh, gross. So now Steve gets down to his specific recommendations. And I think two of these bring your own utensils with you. That's yours. That one's mine. Yeah. I think the two of these are bullshit. And the third one is what he's actually advocating for. Describe the larger spectrum of where we are historically, culturally, with the criminal narrative wells. Where we are right now is exactly where we were when our forefathers were in 1776 being oppressed by King George III. We have literally now a non-legitimate presidency and government and executive. We have not had a legitimate government

or presidency under Bush Jr. for eight years. So for exactly 12 years now, almost 12 years, we have not had a legitimate executive government. And in effect, what we have is a non-legitimate hierarchy or hegemony over us. So we have the right to indict our presidents, to organize, ask for an impeachment, not only for this president, but the impeachment of Bush, Jr. and all of his men in the White House. Yeah, impeach him again. And a court trial. If they refuse to do that as a collective, we all have to join together now as people. It's not going to only happen through your legislators. You can try through your legislators through the internet, but we get together in groups and ask for the Nuremberg

trial. This is a war trial now of both Bush Jr. and Obama, who have been tried by their own peers in Congress and the bilateral commission saying that they're war criminals. We want them to remove them from prison. Therefore, we request a new election immediately as soon as possible. If that is refused, then we go into what is called the revolutionary mode. Then we go to the guns, as we did in 1776. I have no qualms about that. If forces used to suppress us, if false plagues are used to give us honesty, then I said to Jeb Bush, in the face of tyranny, treason is patriotism. Let me say it again. In the face of tyranny, which we have right now and we've had under Bush, treason, which is an act against the government, which is an illegal government, is an act of

patriotism. Let me repeat that again. Let me say it again. So what you have here is Steve, more or less, declaring open season for anti-government extremes. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Sure. He's saying that we need to call for impeachment, but let's be totally real about this. These dum-dums have been calling for impeaching Obama for over four years at this point. From the day he took office. They were screaming you lie, Adam. This is not a suggestion he wants Alex's audience to do. They've already been doing that. His second suggestion, calling for a Nuremberg trial is an absurd thing for him to suggest to Alex's audience. What's the one thing Alex hates more than anything else? The concept of international law. I can just see it now. Alex calling on the

UN to remove the elected president of the United States. Yes, that's his plan. That's ridiculous. No. That's a non-starter. No, come on. It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. In essence, what Steve is saying is that there are three steps and the underlying unspoken message is that the first two aren't really suggestions. The first one's been tried over and over and hasn't worked. The second involves a complete breach of the fundamental ideas that the patriots and weird militia guys have about sovereignty. So it's not going anywhere. All of this is about finding a way to rationalize calling for an armed revolution. What Steve is doing on this episode may legitimately be the most dangerous, most irresponsible thing I've heard to date on Alex's show. He's walking

around with his fake resume and imaginary credentials and credibility to come onto the show and lie to Alex's audience about a nonprofit's report on torture being actually a legal indictment of Bush and Obama in order to justify his argument that this is the time they've been waiting for. This legal indictment's been made and it didn't do anything. They just did a bombing to keep it out of the news. So really, the legal and appropriate channels are not how this thing is going to be solved. He's stopping short of saying that people should be committing violent revolution, but that's 100% the message that he's putting forth. These guys are trying to get people killed. There is no way around that. And it's not just him calling for the audience to do this.

Listen to this shit, man. So the military is the first part to say to themselves, are we in fact in charge? And you are now in charge. Your commanders and chiefs are not in charge. They are illegal. They are legal present and therefore justifies you at the level of the colonel, the lieutenant colonel, and the major level to question the authority, the commander in chief at every level because they have been indicted for war criminals. You do not have a commander in chief who is legal and authoritative no matter what he says. He's just been indicted for war crimes. Therefore, I ask our military officers, our veterans, to stand up and say that this is enough. We have to organize together and if need be,

we'll be armed. If this is what it comes down to, I ask our local officials, our local policemen to work with us, our local fire department, but this cannot be run anymore by a legal criminal president who was indicted by his own Congress and the previous president indicted by his own Congress and the former president as well, Clinton. Oh, so Clinton is also in the military. What we've got here is him calling for a military coup. He's calling for insurrection, essentially within the military ranks. This is like... Steve, I love your idea. Hold on one second. I'm going to go to the secretary of history over there. Secretary of history, how do you feel about this? Military dictatorship is a bad idea. Okay, cool. I'm going to have to

let you go, Steve. We're going to close this one down. I've legitimately never heard anything this fucked up on Alex's show. Yeah, that's literally calling for an armed coup. Full throated. Yeah. Unabashed. Yeah. Can you do that? We'll get into that at the end of this episode. I don't think you can. You don't think that you can literally call for the military to take over the government? It is actually a kind of sticky legal question. Right. And it comes down to some interpretation and I honestly think that Steve probably wouldn't be able to be prosecuted for this. They'd be like, he's a fucking lying piece of shit. So yeah. I don't think that's why. I think Brandenburg versus Ohio, the Supreme Court decision, leaves a lot of gray area in terms of advocating

for illegal things. There are certain standards that need to be met from a legal perspective in order for the government to be able to punish someone for even advocating illegal acts. Yeah. And I think he's on the wrong side of it, but I'm not a legal scholar. And one of the reasons that I think, I think Steve is confessing to what he's trying to do on air and I think that makes it much easier to prosecute him. Right. Right. Right. And I wish, I honestly wish he would because rhetoric like this is far beyond what I believe the First Amendment is meant to protect because Steve is saying like, okay, we need to have this impeachment Nuremberg trials or whatever or armed revolution. Right. And the means that is a means all these things are a means to getting

the president out of office. And then we need to choose a new president. Right. Now let's say a Democrat wins that. You think they're going to be happy about that? I think they're going to be happy about that. I think they're going to accept that election result as being legitimate. Obviously they've already accepted. Well, not the last three presidents in this time period. I wonder how he feels about Reagan was Reagan was probably his last legitimate president. He works for Reagan and he didn't work for Reagan. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So Steve essentially is arguing that these people who are advocating for this coup against the government need to be able to choose the next president. And if that doesn't come true, there's trouble. And then we immediately

ask for a new election and we will create our own candidates. That is exactly what we have to do. If they read to do that, then we use whatever we need, whether it's cyber attack, whether it be guns, but it will be the force of our will, which will determine the outcome of the United States of America. If we remain passive and we deserve to be suppressed and repressed, if we do not stand up today at the moment of illegality, we will regret today that we did not stand up. And like, you know, the way he's talking is super immediate. And like he literally says, this is now. If we don't do this today, I guarantee you you will not have an America tomorrow. That is so fucked up. Do you know what that sounds suspiciously like?

The manifesto of a right wing fucking terrorist. Oh, very. It sounds very similar to, hey, have we had any of those manifestos recently that sound exactly like that? I think there's some differences. But but in theme, yeah, yeah, very, very much so. And like I was saying earlier, like I don't know if he could really be like successfully prosecuted because of, you know, these wide births that are given to free speech. But if you listen to this next clip, Steve admits, I'm committing treason. Sure. Sure. If they're desperate, what do you think they're going to do next? It's important to know that what they're going to do next is they're going to be very frightened because this type of transmission is going to literally put us into

a nexus where we are literally in the position of a war against our own federal government. I know what will happen to me. I will be warned repeatedly again that I'm in an act of treason. And I am. I have. And I am boldly saying I am in an act of treason against tyranny. And I will view that as an act of patriotism. That is my defense. If I go to prison. So he's saying I'm committing treason against the government. I just choose to view it as patriotism. So I mean, if you were to put him on trial, you play that, be like, well, you're, you just said your intentions are clear. You're trying to foment an insurrection against the federal government. Yeah. That's not good. He he's he seems like he's acting like one of those guys

who goes in on his own, turns himself into the cops and confesses to killing like five people. And then they investigate and they're like, you didn't do that. Right. Why did you do that? And it's like, I just wanted to feel important. Yeah. I wanted to feel like I was part of the game. You know, I'm just this weird old man in the middle of Florida pretending to be in fucking Korea whenever I want to. I want to be important. It is. It is strange. And that's probably their best defense almost. Yeah. Because one of the other things in Brandenburg versus Ohio, another one of the standards is likelihood that it will result in an actual attack. Yeah. Or something like likelihood that your words will lead to illegal action. Right. Right. Right. And

the argument I guess could be made by Steve was like, I'm just talking shit. No one believes me. Yeah. And that might be a robust legal defense. Yeah, that is that is pretty airtight. But it doesn't match his intentions. Right. His intentions are predicated on. I'm being presented on Alex's show as one of the most credible government insiders psych warfare experts that has ever lived. I'm a patriot. I used to be a part of the CFR, but I left because they are a bunch of snakes. And so the presentation of this on the show is let's get going guys. Yeah. Let's do it. And he's like, if you listen to this next clip, he's legitimately calling for lone actors, lone wolves to, to attack the government. It is said that the most powerful

man in the world is the lone man. We are each loners. We are each individualist. That's what makes America a great country alone, using the internet, using other means and supporting our candidates. We can bring down this president. We can bring down the government. The government is a collusion of corruption, cronyism and crookedness. It is a fearful entity that cannot stabilize very well. Well, I don't want to bring it down and bring something even worse in. But if we do, the declaration of independence. You are not bringing it worse because with technology now and the internet, you will have to go through a period where you have to have a give and take, which we just were not what we had. We had two parties that really did not exist.

Let's talk about like in the last election, the parties didn't really exist. You know, you got yet over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, just like this is insanity. See, now I'm just hearing a lonely old man. Yeah, there's nothing more powerful than the lone man, which is what I need to tell myself because no one talks to me. It's Alex, you're all I have. You're all I have. I need to wreak chaos through you. Yeah. And so like in his talking about how the last election wasn't a real election, he's complaining about Romney and Obama. And he starts talking about Hillary. And this is a little bit of foreshadowing for 2016's election. And then you had Obama, who was already pretty much in place as a result of social media,

just an extension of the transgender Hillary Clinton. It's all Hillary Clinton and Clinton and their extension through Obama. Transgender. Transgender. Are you saying she's a man? Well, I'm saying she's more, there's more an issue here with Hillary than you would imagine. She's not exactly what you think. That's not relevant. But what's relevant is she's lethal. She's dangerous. And she's also not legitimately a candidate. She was also indicted for interrogation and terrorism. In this report that was put up by a non-profit, that's not an indictment. Also, I love the idea that he's like casting these like stupid Hillary's trans and then being like, that's not relevant. Yeah, no kidding. I'm going to throw this inflammatory offensive bomb

here on your show and then be like, don't be distracted by the things I'm saying. So ridiculous. So like, he just gets back to more advocating for attacks against the government. That's really all he's on the show to do. That's what the government fears. Cyber attacks, cyber attacks and cyber war by any one of the people or group of people or anonymous can take down this government very quickly. Well, I mean, you call it cyber war. What about info war? If we just swarm them with the truth, there's nothing they can do. I mean, well, the point is the truth has to mobilize people into action. People now have to act. They've heard the truth. They've now been told and reaffirmed by their own constitution and

their own legislators that this president is about to say what you've said is in the Declaration of Independence that when you have a tyranny, it's not just your right as your duty to throw it off and make a new government. And I say, take the Bill of Rights Constitution, re upload the Republic. We're not going to break away to get rid of the government. We're not break away to re upload it. You got it. Do you mean you want slaves back? I guess. So I don't want to put too fine a point on this. But I believe that Steve Pocenic is super lucky. He's not in prison right now. What he's doing is explicitly a federal offense. And because Alex allows him to do it on his show, Alex could possibly be in trouble too. According to us code chapter 115 section 2385 quote,

whoever knowingly or willfully advocates abets, advises or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any state territory district or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government, or whoever with intent to cause or overthrow or destruction of any government prints, publishes, edits, issues circulate cells, distributes or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government of the United States by force or violence or attempts to

do so shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years or both. This is the section of the US code on treason and sedition. It's incredibly relevant because Steve by his own words admits that he's committing treason, but he has decided that it's patriotism because of a constitution project report that he's misrepresenting as a criminal indictment. This is a big fucking deal. Steve Pocenic is actively and clearly committing treason on Alex's show, and Alex doesn't cut him off or even really give him much pushback at all. And that's where that second clause of section 2385 comes into play. Since you could possibly make a compelling argument that Alex is printing, publishing, circulating, distributing and publicly displaying matter advocating the overthrow of the

US government. Now granted that statute does specifically say printed matter, but I have to assume the same rules apply to broadcasts. These dudes are probably legally in the clear thanks to Brandenburg versus Ohio, which ruled that the government can't punish speech that abstractly advocates criminal acts. But this shit is walking right up to that line. Steve is getting pretty specific. He's calling for lone wolf actors to commit cyber attacks. I don't think we're on abstract anymore. I think he's tossing out ideas, man. I understand that and I do agree with you from you look at it. It's that, but I don't know as legally. It's the same. Right, right. The definition of abstract advocacy might be a lot

broader than what you and I from a common sense perspective. Right, right. You know, he's telling soldiers that their chain of command has no authority. Yeah. The Brandenburg standard of what a government can still punish is if the advocacy can be construed to be advocating imminent lawless action. He said today. I'm not a lawyer, but it very much seems like Steve is trying to, you know, incite imminent lawless action. Yeah, yeah, that does sound right. Where I think Steve runs a foul of the law is that he literally says that he's committing treason. I think that's tough to get around. I do like that. I do like the balls of it though is like, you're not going to fucking do shit. I'm going to call for treason.

I'm going to call for armed government. I don't give a fuck. You're not doing come after me. Come at me, bro. Yeah. Well, I don't know whether or not Steve could be successfully prosecuted for this. As always, the legal aspect of this is secondary to me compared to the ethical one. Steve and Alex both know that their audience is in a very tense impressionable state right now because of the bombing. Alex has been priming the pump for a while now. And in this episode, he's clearly told his audience repeatedly, this is a false flag attack against the Patriots, and that this is the big one, the beginning of the globalist offensive to round up the good white people of this country and put us on camps. He presents Steve as an expert.

And when he comes in, the payoff to all of this is explicit treason and advocating war against the government, which is totally just patriotism because the government is illegitimate as proven by a nonprofit report. This is unacceptable on so many levels. While you're listening to Steve's talk, it's almost like you forget that the Boston bombing happened, that that's the context wherein this conversation happened. Yeah. Alex is misrepresenting and lying to his audience to create the appearance of like, this is it, we got to jump, we got to jump. And the payoff is a psych warfare expert coming in and telling Alex that like, I'm committing treason, soldiers need to turn on their chain of command, cyber attacks against the government must happen. It's time for us to organize

into groups. It's like, I didn't think it could get worse. I want to live in a world where they are not knowingly trying to cause terrorized trying to cause terror attacks. It would be nice. But they are trying to cause terror attacks. Yeah, I have no doubt that that is not something that Steve came up with. Like this is a thing that they did off air. Well, Alex didn't know about it. Yeah, this is a fucking play. He said it three times. This is a fucking play that is going to kill people. And they want that to occur. So there you guys are attempted murderers by like, what? What are we talking about? Third degree? Your second third degree attempted manslaughter. Let's get a nonprofit report together. That is crazy. It really is like that is literally

there. They're doing everything they can that's to make this work. Wow. I thought like when I look in a hand somebody next to you a gun and that's just as bad. When I listened to this episode and I heard the stuff with Paul and the pictures of the people, I thought like, well, this is as bad as it gets. And then Steve shows up and he's like, I'm committing treason, guys, let's do this. And like, I don't know how much worse this can get. This doesn't resolve the next day. I mean, I guess if they shot a llama in the studio. Lama didn't get shot. So Alex finishes up his interview with Steve and he signs off after about four and a half hours of the show. And then Jakari and David Knight take over for some more time because they're doing the six hour

broadcast. And who cares about what they're doing probably just talking more about family guy, who gives a shit. And this is Alex signing off. I believe that he feels he's cracked the case. He's found the culprits, the Patsy, the media is responding to his coverage. And now we have a motive thanks to Steve and he's riled his base up into an incredible frenzy. All right, Dr. Pachennick, we'll have to get an update from you tomorrow. Stevepachennick.com, you are a brave person. And this is historical what's happening. I've never seen a false flag unravel like this in front of everyone where they think we're all so dumb. We don't see the guys with the bombs. And we even got like shots of the backpacks with the pressure cookers in it.

We know who they are. The media is acting like they don't know because their own agents are all over the camera with the bombers. I mean, this is just all at infowars.com, prisonplanet.com, David Knight, Jakari Jackson coming in the next two hours, and then we'll take a break until nightly news with updates tonight. I'll take a nap. You heard him almost say unprecedented again there. Man, this is grim. This is real grim because the next day the FBI does release those photos. And the suspects, unbeknownst to Alex and a lot of the world, had gone back to their normal lives. One of them, the younger brother, had gone back to college. And after the fact, there was video that came out of him at dorms. And he went to some parties,

like nothing had happened. And the older brother had gone back to his life in his apartment with his wife. And when the photos get released, it causes chaos because they realized that they didn't get away with it the way they might have thought based on all of the coverage having no information based on what one of them, as we will later learn, is a fan of infowars. And if he's watching Alex's coverage, he's got to think he's completely hoodwinked the entire world. And that is not the case. Everything blows up on the 18th. It happens in the evening of the 18th, but the 18th and the 19th are going to be such insanity. And if we're at the point where one of Alex's most trusted sources is coming on air and advocating treason before any of that stuff

happens before the manhunt before the city is put into lockdown. I can't imagine how dark this is going to get before we get through it. So look forward to that wild. Yeah, wild shit. It's not good. Oh, man. What? They didn't get arrested or nothing. No, Alex made millions of dollars. I really wish that the FBI and shit were listening. I wish I wish because somebody would be like that's no good. I wish that anybody paid attention to Alex the way he imagines like the law is paying attention to him. Yeah, because this would have been such red flag stuff. Yeah, like this is real bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it portends bad things. No, that's not good. That's not good. Nope. But the good news is we have a website. No, the Kerry Cassidy over

Project Camelot. Yes, has gone back and talked to Mark Richards. And we have an actual wacky Wednesday this week. So if you're feeling everybody breathe easy, if you're feeling real overwhelmed by this, look forward to a nice break on Wednesday. We're going to get back to Space Weirdos. First off, let's just remember we are in 2019. The Civil War did not happen. Yes. A lot of this is sound and fury signifying nothing. Yes. But it is also the sort of thing that's intending to lead people to violent action. Yeah. And like, I mean, it's not a direct consequence of this coverage per se. But like, you know, a couple years prior to this, one of Alex's listeners killed three cops when his mom called the police on them. Yep. A year after

this, two people who are big info wars fans killed some cops in Las Vegas. Like it's not. It's easy to look at this stuff where Steve is calling for an insurrection in the military and all this and back. Well, it didn't happen. And it didn't the large scale version that you would be afraid of happening didn't happen. But that's not to say that people who are fans of Alex who take in his rhetoric haven't done stuff. Yeah. So it it's there aren't the terrifying world changing consequences. But that doesn't mean there aren't any. Yeah. I mean, it seems like their their ultimate goal is because you and I both know like the GOP doesn't all have this bubbling up underneath it. Like my dad doesn't want doesn't secretly want to start an arms

insurrection. Right. What they want is for a few people to do this. Then the government reacts and then people like my dad will be like, Well, you know what, the government, I don't approve of the way that those guys bomb stuff, but the government did overreach and then it spirals out of control from there. And along the way, they get to make a shit ton of money and also build up the narrative that those people who bombed stuff in the first place that the government overreacted to was a false flag by the government by the government in order to cause that overreaction in order all to take away Alex's guns. Yep. It's very transparent. Anyway, we'll be back with a Mark Richards episode on Wednesday. Till then, we have a website. We do have a website. It's

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