Knowledge Fight - #359: It's All Legs

Episode Date: October 23, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan dip their toes into a new direction for Wacky Wednesday, as they take a look at Alex Jones' appearance on Coast to Coast AM on the day after the bombing at the Boston Marathon. 

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Indeed we are Dan, Jordan, Jordan, let me ask you a quick question, let me answer a quick question for you. Did you ever have a specific affectation, you know, like a hat that you wore all the time that you like when you tried to change your personality by some sort of outward appearance? Yeah, I think so probably, probably had a lot of them. I did little things for like one offs, but one of the things that I did in high school was I had a lot of shiny shirts. What?

I had a lot of shiny button up shirts, maybe some of them I had like flaming dice on them. All right, okay, all right. I don't know exactly what I was thinking. So you're a dad on vacation in the late 70s, more garish than that, but yes, yes, there was a, it was a Guy Fieri before he existed kind of vibe, but also way shinier. I do see you having a weird beard in high school wearing those shiny shirts. I can see that. I didn't have a weird beard in high school.

I had a small beard, a small pencil beard, also shaved the mustache and wait, really? Yeah, to honor my Mennonite heritage. Oh, okay. I don't know if that's why I did it. I got called Everlast a bunch and then I had to stop it. Then you had to stop it. It wasn't good. Bad time all around.

That is the one piece. Shiny shirt Everlast, that and the guy from Smash Mouth again, because Guy Fieri didn't exist at that point, although ascended into his proper place amongst the zeitgeist. If timing had been different, I probably would have gotten Guy Fieri a lot, but all right. Well, I think I'm, I think you should be grateful that you missed that time period. Yeah, I did probably, I know that I had a bowler hat for a little while as well, but I don't think I ever, it never really took over too much as like a part of my personality. The bowler hat?

You tried the bowler hat? I did try the bowler hat. Yeah. And then the other thing, like to social gatherings or is like a work thing or like, how did we, how did we integrate the bowler into our day to day life? I wore it to like a homecoming or something like that. Okay. Yeah.

Some school dance. Yeah. Yeah. This guy named Rusty Drewing tried to bully me. No, shut the fuck up. Rusty Drewing? Yeah. His dad owned a car dealership in Columbia.

Sounds like a disgusting sex act. He was a big dick. Well, yeah, you would have to be. I didn't really even know him. He was a great older than me and he just sort of got in my face and it's like, Hey, you man enough to wear that hat? I was like, it's a fucking bowler. What are we talking about?

Man enough to wear a bowler. I don't know why you got to pick on me. What is going on? It's terrible. You have to have a cockney accent if you're going to say it like that. Oh, hey, you man enough to wear that bowler. No, that was bad. And I had a shoulder bag too.

That was one thing. Yeah, like I had a leather shoulder strap bag. Yeah, you'd call that an affectation, I guess, instead of wearing a backpack. Right. Yeah, who cares? So I know a little bit about affectations that are unsuccessful and I know a lot about Alex Jones and I only know what you tell me about both my friend. Right.

Oh, because all your affectations have been successful every one of them, I believe. Great. I'm glad you had such an easy path through adolescence integrated into my personality. Great. I tried the old fedora for a while. Oh, cool. I gave it a shot, man. That one looks looks bad in hindsight.

A failure on all fronts. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm shiny shirt. Should have gone shiny shirt. So I wasn't man enough for a bowler. I'm going to be honest with you there. Yeah, you would have kicked my ass.

So today, Jordan, we get an interesting episode to go over kind of a wacky Wednesday thing. Hello. What's going on? All right. Kind of kind of sure. It's sort of half halfway in the pool, halfway out of it. But we'll get to that here in a moment. But before we do, Jordan, I'm going to take a moment to say thank you to people who have

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Thank you. Succubus Queen Amber. Amber. And finally, you know, they don't actually have a monarchy. It's more of a republic. So she would be president. It's not a democracy. It's a republic.

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If you would like to support the show, you could do that by going to our website, knowledgebike.com and clicking the button that says support the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be lovely. So Jordan today, like I said, pseudo wacky Wednesday. Yes. I was wracking my brain in preparation for this episode, tried to come up with

the answers that I listened to, to like try and chart a course. We're pretty uninspiring. So I considered the possibility about doing another episode about Kevin Moore, the guy who's making a documentary about Kerry's best friend who's in prison for murder, Mark Richards. He started releasing his new docu series about people who channel aliens and spirits. So I decided maybe I should give that a shot.

It's called, they call us channelers. Oh, they do not. Some people do. Some people do, but they shouldn't. If you're interested in seeing otherwise seemingly normal people do terrible alien impressions and talk super vaguely about standard new age slash self-help ideas, this is the damn show for you. But ultimately it didn't feel like something worth our time.

There's not a whole lot to deconstruct and discuss about people pretending to channel aliens. And that would ultimately just end up with us mocking them, which is kind of fun, but maybe not the best bedrock for an episode. Yeah. You know, we, it's, it's kind of like, eh, it's, it's low stakes. It's tough. It's tough.

We don't live in the world where we get to frolic amongst these, these people like we once did, you know, things are far darker and more serious. We're in the, we're in the DC universe. We're not in the Marvel universe anymore, Dan. And there's also a feeling of like, alright, fucking pretend to talk to aliens. Yeah.

You're low on the fucking totable. We will get to you, but it's going to be a while. Ten years from now, we'll look back on this and be like, oh, was this stupid? Whatever. So also I've went down some other avenues and I've said in the past that I didn't want to cover this guy, Steve Kelly ever again, but I stumbled into a little video that he put out.

If you, if you recall, this is the guy who claims that there's demonic forces that have a base underneath the Getty museum. Yes. And they're abusing and killing children there to harvest Lush, whatever that is. Right. Right. I recall Lush factored heavily into that episode and I would never

adequately explain. So you see, for a while, Steven Kelly was trying to co-op the QAnon audience, trying to get them into his side. But I think he's moved on from that now into just putting out weird videos where he talks about battles. He and his Jedi followers are having deep underground while sitting in front of a sheet. It's all pretty disturbing stuff.

And like I said, I've made it clear. I don't want to cover that dude ever again because he scares me. He looks like killer Bob from Twin Peaks. His videos are just him sitting in front of a sheet, looking at the camera and rambling menacingly about mind war. And also fairly often about how he's not so into the Jews. Yes. It's not, it's not good.

That she, that premises, that premise sounds fun, but then you realize that there's always the undercurrent of racism underneath and it gets dark. But the racism in the, the anti-Semitism is like, that makes it relevant to possibly still talk about, right? Exactly. Like these tendrils and where they go. Right. And I just, I don't know.

It's a mess. And then another issue is that Steven Kelly is a very small audience. Like his YouTube videos all hover around a thousand views and it just doesn't feel like a great use of our time to make fun of him. It just seems like, again, go do your Jedi minds, mind wars and whatever. And you know, he's on the more successful side of the space weirdos that I was looking at and considering covering for the show.

And that just becomes a problem in the same way. We can't frolic anymore so much. It's similarly, we can't really just take any old video on YouTube and feel good about ourselves. Right. So I felt like I'd hit a brick wall, but then it dawned on me. Brick walls. Yes.

Episode all about the manufacturing of bricks. No. If punching down is a concern, then there's one obvious solution to that problem. How does this grab you Jordan? You're looking at me confused. I don't know what's going on. That is some goddamn Giorgio Moroder for you.

This guy is the goddamn father of disco. Right. This motherfucker produced Gandhi's song called Penny Loggins Danger Zone, the theme song from the never ending story in a 2015 remake of Tom's Diner featuring Britney Spears. I know Giorgio Moroder. Song's great. Yeah.

So it's a very common request from listeners that we tap into the catalog of coast to coast AM. And I've resisted the urge to do so up to this point, mostly because I was perfectly satisfied with the paranormal space weirdo stuff that we covered. Project Kamala and the Raptors was all I really needed. But as that well is gone dry and we've gotten a pretty good idea of what's underneath Carrie Cassidy's shit, mostly sovereign

citizen ideas and coded racism, it feels like we need to move on to greener pastures. And there is no greener pasture than coast to coast AM. We'll never need to worry about punching down since they have millions of listeners and the show is basically an institution at this point. We will literally never come close to the level of success that they have so we can mock freely.

Yeah, that's true. So that's a big. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. This will be a new venture on the show and I intended to be an ongoing series. So I apologize if this episode in particular isn't going to cover

a whole lot of the background information about coast to coast and George Norrie in great detail. I intend to save those for a future episode because I think the best way that we can make our transition into the world of coast to coast AM is by way of familiarity. As we learn from listening to Alex's shows on the days after the Boston bombing, Alex was a guest on coast to coast on April 16th, the day after the tragedy.

Now that we're equipped with a bit of the understanding about what Alex was bringing to the table on his own show. I thought it might be interesting to see how he was presenting himself on a different show, a show with a way bigger audience than his and a show that's hosted by a friendly host as opposed to someone who's likely to call him out on his bullshit. Yeah. I think that looking at Alex's appearance on the April 16th,

2013 episode of coast to coast AM might be a perfect way for us to dip our toes into the water. And so that's what we'll be doing here today. Pseudo wacky Wednesday. Dan, I, I know you put it very kindly, but I think you just broke up with Carrie Cassidy. Yeah. I think that's what I heard.

I heard you say it's time to move on. Dan, this is, I know this is how it's just like a man to get a modicum of fame and then leave his old girlfriend behind for the flashy new one. Oh, millions of listeners. I know. Carrie can't compete with that. Project Camelot.

I know you've got me through some hard times. Sure. But look, look how hot coast to coast AM is. I can't pass this up. I don't like you presenting that way, but there may be some truth to it. Maybe some undercurrents. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'll still check back in whenever she has Mark Richards on

or let's say there's a there's breaking news in the Eddie Page world. Yeah, of course. We have some racist alien slash bringer of death. Absolutely. Archangel Abaddon news. We got to keep up with that. Sure.

That's just our journalistic duty. Yeah. Yeah. But for now, I think, I think, I think coast to coast might be a much better. And there's a lot. I have a, I have a working theory about coast to coast AM that I think will flash out over the course of not just this episode, but

other episodes we do about it that I think, I think it's a very important spoke in the wheel. Okay. Maybe even a centerpiece of the wheel. All right. Mainlining these crypto. Right wing propagandist monsters. Yeah.

Yeah. So we'll, we'll, we'll get into that as we go along. All right. But let's, let's jump in here on this April 16th episode. George Norrie host of coast to coast, coast to coast, coast to host. Ooh. That George O. Maroder put me in a great mood.

Get out of here. So he opens up the show talking about the previous days bombing in Boston from the city of angels off the Pacific Ocean. Good morning. Good evening. Wherever you may be across a nation around the world. I'm George Norrie and welcome to coast to coast. Hi, George.

Our Alex Jones looks at our world. And here's what's happening. Law enforcement officials have no concrete information on who planted the two bombs. I left more than 170 people injured three dead near the finish line of the Boston marathon Monday. 17 of the injured are now in critical condition still in area hospitals, several of them removing from their body parts.

Very tragic situation. So he, you know, you can already hear like just a much better broadcaster. Yeah. You can see the, the, the chops, the voice. He has a warmth to him. Yeah. That Alex doesn't have.

Yeah. Full disclosure. I have never listened to coast to coast. Oh yeah. Not once in my life. So this is so much of it. And that's getting back to our roots. I truly don't know what you're talking about.

Well, I wish I had prepared differently than I assumed that you would have some familiarity with it just because it is such a cultural institution. Yeah. It's been on the radio for a fucking ever, but one of the things that's also really difficult about the idea of us dipping our toes in and trying to do like an all encompassing episode about coast to coast is that it's had a number of hosts

over the years. Okay. And like you, Art Bell's era is very different than George Norrie's era. Gotcha. And, you know, there's, there's a lot of complexity to it. And so that's why I would want to leave that for. Gotcha.

A gradual getting into it. For now, all you really need to know is George Norrie is kind of a piece of shit. Right. Right. But a much better broadcaster than we're used to. Gotcha. And I think that some of that is almost even more dangerous

because as we just hear 30 seconds of his voice, you can hear a welcoming, there's a, there's a performance to his voice that is, is very old school radio. Oh yeah, absolutely. This guy is welcome. You, you went to the show and he's friendly. Yeah. You can almost hear a smile in his voice.

Yeah. Yeah. I heard that and I thought of one of those old like big box radios that the family would sit around in the forties, you know, one of those giants. I don't know what you would call them. Just cabinets filled with radio. Yeah.

Yeah. Alex isn't on the show right at the beginning. Okay. George has another guest who is a psychiatrist who they talk about hate and the experience of hate and how it can overwhelm a person. Yeah. Those sort of ideas.

It's not really that important of an interview, but I'm going to play a clip here and that is because George Norrie is sort of spitballing about who might have been behind this bombing. Okay. Now that's not a good idea. Well, it's what a lot of broadcasters and commentators were engaging in perhaps. Fair.

Speculation runs rampant, especially in times of big news stories. And I don't think that his behavior is too irresponsible, but I do think that Alex would see this as very irresponsible. Well, let's assume for a moment that the situation in Boston was caused by somebody, individual, not necessarily a group that has some kind of political ideology, but an individual who's just ticked off for whatever reason.

He may be ticked off at government, but why do you take innocent people when you're that angry? So you got George Norrie speculating that it's a lone wolf. Okay. Maybe it's someone who's angry at the government. Maybe. Yeah. Speaking to this psychiatrist, Peter Bregan about the nature of

hate. Like I said, it's largely an unnotable interview and I don't have much to say about it. Other than to point this part out and to say that Peter Bregan is the leader, a leader in the field of anti-medication psychiatrists. Oh, God damn it. He may not be as crazy a dude as most of the anti-science guest

Alex will have on his show, but guest choice is an editorial decision. Yeah. And that's important to remember. No shit. So Norrie is trying to ask Bregan about how a person could hate so much as to pull off a bombing like this. But in the process, Norrie is speculating that the bomber was

a lone wolf. And the example that he comes up with is maybe they did this because they hated the government, which weirdly he doesn't think is a political motive for a terrorist. Yeah. No, they're not. They're not with any group. It's just a lone wolf who's angry with the entire government.

It's an anti-government terrorist, which is not a political wolf. It's very strange. It doesn't stand for any organization. That might imply a slight bias. He could. Could. It seems like it.

I can recognize this as a person speculating and having a conversation abstractly, but Alex cannot. This is exactly the sort of behavior he spent days on his show claiming as evidence that the mainstream media is planning to blame right-wing patriots for the bombing. If Alex had any intellectual consistency, he would be yelling at George Norrie about how he's trying to set up the patriots, but we don't hear that sort of thing.

And I imagine that's because Alex is welcome as a guest on coast to coast AM and places like MSNBC don't have any interest in booking him. Yeah. This is very intentional. Oh, this same exact behavior that you're decrying in the rest of the media is something that Norrie is doing. And you're going to be on the show in 20 minutes and talk to

him about how he's the greatest. I mean, it's fine. Yeah. It's obviously fine, but it gets worse. George Norrie speculates a little bit more. If it were a terrorist act, and this is a little out of your bailaway here, I would have thought that these bombs, these two bombs, would have been bigger, a little more sophisticated.

And that's what baffles me, Peter. Well, you know, they're saying that these pressure cooker bombs have come out of the... Pakistan, Afghanistan area. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, obviously they're getting a little bit out of my expertise, but I don't have the answer to that one.

No. And it's going to be important to find out, obviously. Could be a disgruntled, a military person. I mean, I love our military. Spent nine years in the Navy, but what if it was somebody who, you know, worked on disarming bombs in the Middle East for us, and he's back and has got a problem? Who knows?

Are you talking about Rambo? He's going to almost certainly involve hatred and... So Alex has also spent all this time talking about how the mainstream media is trying to demonize returning veterans specifically. Yeah, you have George Dory circulating. Hey, it could be a guy who... Could be Rambo.

Could be him. I don't know. He's guilty of literally all of the behaviors Alex is screaming about the media doing. What if it was literally Charles Bronson? Not the film version of Charles Bronson, but specifically the regular, Charles Bronson just got sick of shit. He's mad at the government.

Nobody's hiring him for the death wish films anymore. He did it. I would like to say that we couldn't be Bronson because he was dead at this point. Bronson could be alive right now or he could have died in 1987. I would have no idea. Yeah. Yeah.

What was it? The Wild Munch? The last two death wish movies he might not have been in. It might have been a hologram or a lookalike. I have no idea. That could be. No one besides me has ever seen all five of them. I assumed that he died immediately following the great escape,

but that could be me wrong. Could be. Yep. So it's not only George. Yeah. That's theorizing about the possibility that this is a returning veteran who did it as well. He's talking to this psychiatrist.

He opens up the phone lines and takes some calls and one of his callers has a theory at this, Jordan. If you pay close attention is a really wild theory because this caller, as best as I can tell, thinks that the motivation for the bombing might have been someone who was angry at legs. And I'm thinking what kind of a person could harm it? Well, I think it went like this. There's 26,000 runners.

What do runners run with their legs? Right? They fixed the bombs in places that they want to go off. They would strike people in the legs. They had like 17 to 19 amputees. All legs. I'm wondering if it's an ex-service man who was an amputee. Who did this?

And I love all the service men. God bless them. I had two sons in the service years ago. And about it had to be someone with, you got to love yourself in order to love. I got to love me to love you. And this person has to have no conscience, no love. I think he's a loner.

And maybe if he had a wheelchair, he could hide the bomb around the back of them, you know? But that's what I think happened. Because if we're all runners, he's going to hurt other legs. You get it? Because he don't have it. Well, you know what? That's not a bad thought.

Not a bad theory. George Floyd is the worst. This color is theorizing that it's someone bad at legs. This is one we've got too many true crime shows on right now. That's what I'm hearing. There is somebody putting together a law and order plot. Right. I got it.

Or it's almost super villainy. Yeah. It's cartoonish. He's so positive with people. Yeah. Every single thing is like, well, that's a great thought. That is, he's patronizing almost in his support of people's ideas. He's iced tea in this situation.

He's the one. Hey. Yeah. I think we should look into that lead. And when she said that you have all these amputations and he says George George himself chimes in. They're all legs. They're all legs.

That was my favorite in the show. He will literally talk about someone whose arm was amputated. Okay. So he doesn't even know he doesn't care. He's just jumping along with. Okay. I got a picture of George Norrie now. I think I know what I'm getting into.

Whatever picture you have at a mustache and you're gold. All right. I got you. He is the sort of whole legs. He just went along with it right away. He's helping her build the argument. Along the way. Yeah.

You know what? It could be a disgruntled legless man in a hiding bombs in a wheelchair. I didn't consider that but you lady. That's a great theory. You could have it. Part of me thinks that would make him like the best dad ever. Like it's just so supportive.

No way. Maybe supportive to a fault. But also it doesn't. It doesn't make him the best equipped to deal with people who might have bad faith. They might be coming out of a position of like I want to manipulate people. Right.

If you have someone like him who is just like all legs. Yeah. That's bad. Yeah. That combination is like it's a steam rolling. We could be fairly certain. I don't know for sure but we can be fairly certain that she doesn't have some sort of hidden anti amputee agenda that she's

trying to turn public opinion against specific amputee. I don't think so. She's that would be great. She and behaving this way and non judgmentally and non abusively towards callers. I think you have a pretty good pardon by using the term a leg to stand on for George. All right.

The like not attacking her for this and being like well you know you have some interesting ideas. Yeah. That's kind of being a gracious host. Yeah. And you don't want to like be a dick to your audience. No. But when that behavior is so universal and applied to all of

these guests that you have it that's where it becomes a little bit murky for me. Yeah. But you I appreciate that you understood what was going on there and see that that is a perfect encapsulation of George. It's all legs. I got it. It's all legs.

So it's and it's so easy to George. It's all legs. No. It's so easy to see how that could be turned if that can just be like they were all Jews like you can totally see how easy that that little transition is because he's not trying to be a bad guy. If like after the Oklahoma City bombing you know or or 9 11

when they the rumors are going around that Jews were told to stay home from work like someone calls in and says that you could see that being a response. Not to say that that was his response. I have no idea. Right. Those episodes. But you could see that same sort of inability to push back.

Yeah. On information that's being introduced as being like you could see that it could apply in more situations than you'd like. Absolutely. And he seems to his credit. He does also seem genuinely curious. I don't know about that.

Oh no. I think he's maybe not listening half the time. Okay. All right. Okay. Then I guess I did not get a perfect encapsulation. I think he might be not actively listening to his guests or scholars.

You gotta be you gotta be listening real hard to pull out with their all legs. No you don't. Yes you do. No you don't. You gotta remember that they aren't all legs and then still say that they are all legs. Very simple to do while you're passively listening to somebody.

So we get now to Alex's introduction. Sure. And I think this is a little bit a little bit glowy. Well lots going on on this planet. So I thought we'd bring in Alex Jones tonight and talk with him and get his views on all kinds of world issues. Department of Homeland Security buying ammunition tanks. What's that all about.

So we wanted to get Alex in here to talk about his propaganda narrative. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's really get to the bottom of it. I'm going to give him a real real tough interview where we really lay out the proof all. No that's not going to happen because this is not an unbiased

interview. This is not like somebody who's bringing in Alex to get to greater truth. You can hear even from as this introduction goes on these two dudes are compatriots. His websites info wars dot com prison planet dot com. They're way at the top of the foremost media. Alex is recognized as the father of the truth movement of 9

11. And he is a digging reporter. Welcome back to coast to coast. None other than Alex Jones. I had a drum. I'd have someone beat it for you. Oh are you kidding. That's what I do when you come on my little show.

George it is great to be here to talk about the globalist master plan the big issues. The long term. There's lots of distractions going on. Lots of things happening at the media are hyping up but you you look at the big the big issues. So that doesn't seem like you know that's friends. Yeah.

These dudes are at least on on a same team as opposed to being just like I'm going to interview Alex to get his take on things. No. This is a mess. Yeah. That's that's that's a weird. I have not heard somebody say he's considered one of the founders

of the 9 11 truth movement in that kind of positive and loving tone in a good long while. He's at the head of the foremost. Yeah. Journalists. Oh boy. So and then you also hear Alex get it like on my little show. Yeah.

There is almost like nothing compared to your amazing show. He's learned lessons from Steve Pochetic. Yeah. At a butter up in flatter person that you want something from namely access to their audience. You're just seeing Alex play Steve's game. Yeah. Yeah.

That is interesting. Yeah. They kind of know what they're doing. So Alex listened to George's show the night before and here he talks about that just a little bit. We probably do need to spend a few minutes on the tragedy that you know regardless of what really happened whoever was behind for all of those.

I listened to you last night break that down eloquently with your guest for all the people there and then and so many going to the trauma of just watching. So on the night of the 15th George Norrie did a show that was just about the attack that happened that day on that on the one hand I applaud him for having a large chunk of open phone time for callers to call in and discuss their experiences just kind of like him offering up a public forum for his audience

to collectively process their grief and what had happened. I think the radio shows should do stuff like that. I think it's positive. On the other hand I absolutely do not applaud him for his guest choice on that night Norrie's only guest was Info Wars regular Doug Hagman and a large part of his narrative on this appearance was about how this supposed bomb drill happened that took place before the marathon in order to make the argument this is a

false flag. So Hagman was on on the 15th on Coast Coast AM pushing for this narrative. Perfect. He calls a far right anti communist lunatic who disseminates information through a group he started called the Northeast Intelligence Network. Throughout the years he's been entirely wrong about countless

bombshell stories that he's claimed were based on unnamed but very real and very credible intelligence sources naturally naturally. His career has completely fallen apart by the present day and now you host the show on YouTube where his guest roster includes coach Dave Dobbin Meyer and frequent appearances by Steve Quayle the guy who Alex thinks is a prophet and has written multiple books about how biblical giants are real.

Well I mean you can't prove they're not. I don't have to. Well then the burden of proof is on the person making the extravagant claim. You'll you'll be sorry when my Giants show up. I will clone them and they'll step on you. I certainly will be sorry at that point. The day of the Boston bombing was a very very tense time and

the person who has a large audience you have a responsibility of them. You can't just let them be misled by con men while they're in that vulnerable state and to do so is to be actively complicit in the con yourself. And I'm sure George Norrie had Doug Hagman booked in advance and this was just bad timing but I don't give a fuck. If you have Hagman booked and there are bombings like this

you got to say something like hey Doug we're going to reschedule. There are a hundred a hundred acceptable excuses and goddamn George Norrie holds all the cards. These dicks almost don't exist compared to Coast to Coast AM when you're judging by audience size and influence what he says goes. What I'm getting at is that Norrie had every reason to cancel Doug Hagman's appearance on the day of the bombing and he

didn't. He didn't because he thinks Doug Hagman is a credible source and wants to help spread his bullshit far and wide. These are structural editorial decisions that run under the surface of a show like Coast to Coast AM. And they're a big part of the reason why as it exists with George Norrie this show is a trojan horse for the very propagandists who are now currently running amuck and have

caused so much disorder. Is it like George Norrie himself being actively complicit in this. Yes. I mean sorry the acting agent on this or is it there or does he have some sort of booking manager. I'm sure it's collaborative but George Norrie himself a hundred percent is on board.

Yeah. Okay. All right. George Norrie is based on everything I know about him and that's something that we'll probably get into in a future episode. Like a nice what the fuck's up with this weirdo who thinks it's all legs.

I'm really trying to push for someone. It's all legs. It's all legs. It's all legs. I'm already thinking about shirts. So just in the month of April 2013 George Norrie lent his gigantic platform to these familiar names. Alex Jones Jerome Corsi and this is post swift boating.

I should point out. All right. So George Norrie was on and soon to be in for his employee at that point. Anthony Gucci Artie. That's a lot of guest bookings of people who are directly info wars. Yeah.

Contributors. Yeah. And they also had Sebastian Gorka and his family on to sing a song. Like what are what are we doing here man. Welcome to Coast Coast. I am. I guess today is a Hungarian who knows Gorka.

You get into the next few months after April 2013 and you see appearances by Steve Quayle Webster Tarpley. Steve Pacenek was on twice. Catherine Albrecht who filled in for Alex when he went on vacation recently for almost the entire week she was on. Anti-tax protester Joe Bannister. Bilderberg fan fiction expert Daniel Estolin. William Binney.

Mike Adams and even more appearances by Alex and Jerome Corsi. It would be easy to say that this is a radio show that has a very serious vetting problem. But that's absurdly naive. These are intentional choices made by producers and Norrie himself to have these people on despite the very clear reasons not to their liars.

Coast to Coast while charming at times at least in part exists to mainstream voices like this and to introduce them to a giant gullible platform in a way that makes them seem credible. That alone would be really shitty but it'd be like what are you going to do you know. But the fact that Norrie would have Doug Hagman on the day of the bombing and Alex on the day after is inexcusable.

Yeah. That in that says everything you need in that space. Like and it's not like he needs ratings. It's not like he needs to do stunts for ratings. Right. He could do an open lines show about ghosts or some aid. Did you guys see anything in the woods ever. Yeah.

And he'd get millions of free. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. People love Coast to Coast. I am. There's no reason to stunt book this and be like hey you know what there was just a fucking terrorist attack.

Let's get Alex to yell about or say stupid shit about it. And on a stunt book that's you wanting to get his message out. That's only serves Alex's interests. Yeah. And that's an editorial choice. Yeah. I'm going to sound like a broken record on this editorial choices are important whenever you have a show like this.

So George Norrie wants Alex's take on the bombing. I don't know why someone. Sure. Why would someone do something like this. I he already had a psychiatrist on he said it was about hate. Sure. Yeah. I think that that problem solved.

Sure. That's it seems like a pointless question to ask Alex. Yeah. Unless you know that Alex thinks this is a false flag and you want him to soft pitch that into the conversation. It is absolutely repulsive. Whether it's a lone gunman some organized group or whoever. What would make someone want to do this.

You know the lust for power the lust for control the lust to see the media completely focus on them. The lust to make trillions of dollars invading countries and selling robots to every city to fight non existent bombings. There's a lot of issues. So that that explanation can't apply to anybody but the global. No. That's really the only thing.

I was like OK I can see lust for power. That's maybe maybe. All right. I can see lust to have the media pay attention. You know a lot of people want attention. Reality TV show to you know and then the gain trillions of dollars around the world. That one is really specific.

Invading countries and selling robots. Not a motivation. Very specific. That could be applied to let's say Al Qaeda or a lone gunman. Right. Tad from North Carolina. He's not doing that. None of that is possible unless your underlying implication is that

it was the globalist. So great. Yeah. In this next clip Alex talks about his feelings about whether or not this was a conspiracy. And we know from listening to Alex's show on April 15 and April 16. He does. Yeah.

Absolutely. So it's interesting to hear how moderate he is in another forum. You know I have the New York Times here in front of me from last April 28 terror plots hatched by the FBI and the New York Times talks about in this article just a few cases but there's hundreds of the government going out and finding mentally ill people. Anybody could do that. And then giving them the weapons and pointing them in the direction

to then play the part of heroes. And I'm not saying that that's what's happened with this case. But I do know this. There were 4,000 great National Guard out there. Great men and women. You know not part of the conspiracy. If there is one out there trying to protect people but violating the Fourth Amendment searching bags and running checkpoints.

So that's interesting. That's an interesting take. They're not part of the conspiracy. If there was one. If there was one. That's strange. How can you. You don't know there is a conspiracy which means by definition

you can't know if they were or were not a part of it. Well I mean that's secondary even to my concern which is that on his own show hours earlier. Oh yeah well certain that there's a conspiracy. Right. Right. Now on Coast to Coast AM he's trying to seem a little bit saner.

I mean that's that's clearly obvious. The thing that I immediately wrote down in my notes is how brazen this is knowing full well that nobody's going to be going back and forth from his show to AM to back and forth and being like well wait a second. Right. That's not what he sounds like over here. Well no one's going to do that and the strategy is to get as many

people from the Coast to Coast to him. If he loses some after that point. That's fine. Let's say he loses 60 percent of the people who come over. Yeah. That 40 percent is still going to be much larger than the amount of people that would come over if he got on and started yelling like he does on his own show.

No for sure. No one's going to check into him if he appears as great because Right. They're not in. Right. They're not in the Info Wars thing. Right. So it's a strategic decision on his part.

It's very obvious. Yeah he's casting a net. He's fishing. Yes. Yeah absolutely. And so in the New York Times article if Alex wants to argue that the FBI definitely is used to fucked up and inappropriate methods to generate terrorist arrests.

Most likely to justify their funding. I'm willing to listen to him. But where he loses me is when he tries to connect that to the very that very real phenomenon with actual terrorist attacks that have been carried out. This New York Times article that Alex is referencing here is specifically about pretty much exclusively Muslim men who have dedicated an interest in committing a terrorist attack who are

then ensnared by the FBI who help facilitate an artificial attack in order to eventually arrest them. Personally I think this is a fucked up practice and a waste of resources but it's super important to point out that these people who are discussed in this New York Times article are not people who actually carry out an attack. That's a bridge that Alex needs to build if he wants to use this idea to support his false flag argument and from everything I

can tell he's failed to do that. The point though is that you can see a completely different Alex on this show from the Alex you saw on his show from the same day April 16th. Here on Coast to Coast he's saying he's not sure if there's a conspiracy and then he doesn't know if the bombers were put up to this. Steve Pachanic wouldn't commit treason on air until the 17th.

But Alex's show on the 16th on that show he was very clear that he thought this was a false flag. Alex was yelling about Rob Do's brother and that manipulatively edited family guy clip. He was sending Dan Badandi to disrupt Boston officials press conferences yelling about how this was a false flag. He wondered on air why a right winger hasn't blown up a U.N. building.

Like Alex knows what audience he's speaking to and always tries to cater to what they need to become interested. He knows that Coast to Coast has a huge audience and a whole lot of them aren't what we now call red pilled. His goal is to get more people to his website and the maximize strategy for that is to moderate. You can still be a paranoid fuck and say dumb shit. But most of the Coast to Coast audience isn't ready for raw

uncut Alex. Yeah. You can't go further than they're all legs. You can't be like they're all Muslim legs. We're not ready to go there yet. We're still it just they're all legs. Part of this is just good business. But another part is clear evidence that Alex knows that what

he says on his own show is bullshit. If he believed any of the shit that he says he wouldn't come on this show and say he didn't know if there was a conspiracy. He does that so he doesn't look crazy. Because he knows if he tricks people that he's not crazy for long enough they might just give him some money. Also they weren't checking bags at the marathon and there were no unconstitutional checkpoints there.

So that's just made up and they weren't. The National Guard was not part of the conspiracy if there was one which there might have been. There also could not have been. And if there wasn't maybe they were involved tune into my show where I get to the bottom of it. Yeah. Oh boy.

So he's a digging journalist. Digging. Digging journalist. I told you that one of the reasons I thought that this would be a good way for us to dip our toes into the coast to coast cannon is because of the familiarity of it. Yeah. But little did I know that this would be so familiar.

You cannot control the human mind whether the person's good. No. Whatever. You cannot. It wasn't a Thomas Jefferson because we're going to talk about guns a little bit later. Did he not say that if you take away the guns. I'm paraphrasing.

Take away the guns from the good people. The only one who will have the guns is the criminal who plans to use it. Absolutely. That's a Thomas Jefferson quote right there. You're right. George. All right.

Why. Why do they keep doing it. They can't. They can't. Yeah. It works too. Nobody's nobody's checking up on him. I did.

So this is so interesting man. None of these people have any idea what Thomas Jefferson did or did not say. All of them love Jefferson so much, but haven't done a single second's worth of work into understanding his life or accurately discussing his career. The quote being referenced here is quote the laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature.

They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Now it is true that that line appears in Thomas Jefferson's legal commonplace book, but it's a complete misstatement to say that the words are Jefferson's. They appear in his book because he was quoting a passage from the super influential legal reformer of the time, Caesar Becariah.

It's from his 1764 publication essay on crimes and punishments. Becariah was a big inspiration to a lot of the founders of the United States. So it makes complete sense for Jefferson to cite his work later. So it could be fair to say this quote is something that Jefferson most likely agreed with. And if Alex and George were saying that, I'd be totally cool with it.

And I'd just let it be the fact that they repeat this as a Jefferson quote indicates that they don't know where this quote actually comes from, nor do they care. Even if Alex knew where the quote actually came from, he's smart enough to know that his audience and Norris have no interest in what a legal reformer from the 1700s said. Oh yeah. But what Jefferson said, his words are pure gold.

Let's just attribute the quote to him and move right along. Who gives a shit? That's what's going on. That's how they, that's how they interact with and deal with these Jefferson things. It is like it's a prop. It's like they, rather than talk or engage with Thomas Jefferson at all, they're just holding up a Ben Garrison caricature of

Thomas Jefferson and being like, see whatever this thing said. Yeah. It's just, it's imaginary Thomas Jefferson. It definitely is. Yeah. It's a prop. Yeah. So this is where things get real fucked up.

Like you can already see the differences in Alex's presentation, like trying to moderate his beliefs and not be like, I know that this is the proper props. Yeah. Not screaming. Not, but this is. George, there were arms there too. I swear to you.

No, George has that. It's not just legs. George says that himself later. This is where I think it gets disgusting because it takes on a sort of a human level. Like Alex changing his form of humanity almost. I just, I find this gross. There is no way to stop someone if they're committed to something.

So, so, so this idea that we'd all better be afraid. And again, for the three people that died, the hundred plus that were wounded, you know, it's terrible. I empathize with them. If I see an old lady fall down at the mall and break her hip, which I saw once I heard it snap when she fell. I mean, I still have nightmares about that. I have empathy because I'm not a psychopath.

I'm not a sociopath. You're the same. Most of your listeners are the same. We have empathy, but when we have to understand there are millions, 15 million children starving a year, roughly 20 million adults starving. So close to 40 million people worldwide, 35 million starving to death.

Most of them children. So. Cool. You know, he got him touting his empathy here. And one of the things I've pointed out a couple of times in our coverage of Alex's immediate response to the bombing is that he seemed to not have any interest in the victims or survivors. Alex was singularly focused on building his conspiracy and

spent essentially no time to even acknowledge the people most affected by the tragedy. This is another instance of Alex shifting his behavior to suit the audience he's speaking to. The informer's audience has no expectation that Alex will even pretend to care about the people who were hurt or killed. But for the uninitiated that comes off as super fucked up to make sure that the coast to coast audience doesn't get the impression

that he's a real pile of shit trying to profit off a tragedy. It's important for Alex to really express how much he cares about people. And yet he can't even get through a sentence talking about caring about the victims of the bombing without qualifying it and saying that that's just three dead, whereas thousands are starving a year. As if to say that you should care about this tragedy, but keep it

in perspective. And I think that's a dick move on the day after a bombing. It's probably a shitty thing to say that people who care about the dead or injured or misplacing their emotions. My larger problem, though, is that in my experience, I see no evidence that Alex cares about starving children either. I don't think I've ever heard him advocate for anything other than vague notions of prosperity that would alleviate poverty or

starvation. He's totally against assistance programs, and I'm certain that he's against universal school lunch programs, even though I have not heard him speak on that one specifically, but you got to assume he's against that. Yeah. This is the issue here. If you're someone like Alex and you expect to get some mileage out of

these deaths are bad, but what about the starving children argument? You better make sure that you've made directly addressing the problem of starving children an identifiable part of your career. Because if you haven't, it really comes off like what you're doing is trying to convince people not to care about the victims of a particular tragedy because something else is supposedly worse. This is just. What are you talking about?

The gun deaths over 30,000 people a year died car accidents and over there. What are you going to outlaw refrigerators? A hundred people get killed by refrigerators. What are we going to do there? We can't do anything about guns. Yeah. And the primary function of that is just to minimize the bomb.

Yeah. Okay. Well, are you going to do something about the other stuff? No. But I mean, well, we definitely can't do anything about guns either. So haha. So Steve comes on Alex's show on the 17th and commits treason. Right.

And great day. That was a very fun. Oh, what a day. Yeah. In that episode, he gives Alex the motive, which is that they supposed bipartisan committee had indicted everybody for war crimes and they had to get it out of the news. Yeah.

At this point on the 16th, Alex doesn't have that as a motive. So he only has his standard go to, which is this is a distraction from something else. Right. Right. Here's my final point on the bombing. All right, go ahead. My final point of the bombing, because I want to hear your point,

George, is this. Right now they're trying to pass total blanket open border amnesty and to give Homeland Security its own control over that and take Congress out of the loop. That's unconstitutional. They're trying to pass massive gun restrictions and registration where they can take your guns on the word of one psychologist, not a judge, not a jury, not proof.

And they're trying to give Homeland Security other domestic powers. And Hegel is talking about basically soft martial law. All that is before Congress with a razor thin margin. All of it is failing because not all the House and Senate members are corrupt. So this happens and it diverts everyone and, oh, let's get behind what the, what the government wants or what the president wants.

The whole thing is very, very suspicious. That's all I have to say. So this is standard Alex Jones shit. It's just, oh, well, there's something that has to do with guns that people are talking about. So clearly this is a distraction to push that through. We now live in 2019. We know that none of that happened.

Now the idea about like immigration and open borders and stuff like that is particularly ludicrous because as we come to know the, you know, Johar and Tamerlan Zarnab who did the bombing. Yeah. Were immigrants. Right. The, the idea that they would end up doing this bombing and then the culprits would be the Chechen people who came to the country.

Tamerlan wasn't even a citizen. Johar was. Yeah. But like the idea that that would be what they would do in order to somehow distract people from pushing through open borders package right seems counterproductive. Wow. It seems, it seems like if anything, an attack like this,

even before we know who did it would probably lead to xenophobia. Right. Right. No, that does make sense. But what they're really trying to do is open the borders to everywhere, but Chechnya. Okay. Now that's the real plan there.

All right. We, we covered up the whole Saudi involvement in nine 11 of course, but we just got to get somebody to get rid of the Chechnyan border. That's what we've always wanted. Fine. Right. I just think that it's a globalists are having a grand old time. I just think that there is like such a standardness to this argument and such a,

like it's just universally deployed to the point where it loses any kind of even feeling that it means anything. Yeah. Yeah. They're just distracting us from X. Yeah. No. Everything is a distraction from everything else.

Fine. Right. And the part that's super malicious about this and so manipulative is that now we live in the future. So we know that like this gun legislation didn't pass. Yeah. And so Alex could be like, yes, because I yelled about it. Yep.

It didn't. If it does pass, he'll be like, it gets to continue yelling. Exactly. And if it doesn't like, well, I'm a hero one up for the good guys. You got it. It's a, it's a trap. It's an absolute trap that he can profit off no matter how it goes. Yep.

So George is a terrible, terrible trash fire. I think he's doing great. So he comes in with these questions that in another setting might be good questions. A lot of the time, I think that this question that he's trying to, what do you want to order right now? Great. That would be a great question. I'd love some tie.

Yeah. This question, I think would be good if the person asking the question had any interest in the actual answer and had the capacity or inclination to ask a follow up question. These are neither of those things described George Norrie. And thus this will end up poorly. Where do you, Alex? Where do you draw the line?

Where do you draw the line between the reality of an event and the possibility of the conspiracy of the event? And by that, I mean so many people, the minute something happens, they immediately say, without even looking at any facts, whether some little old lady gets hit by a car. Oh my gosh, it was a conspiracy. They were out to get her. Sure. Instead of it just being a lousy accident, it happened.

At what point, and for you, because you know, you amass a huge following. Where do you draw that line where you have to say to yourself, there's something wrong here. This picture doesn't look right. That would be a good question, if honestly answered. Now, we know from listening to this that on the 15th minutes after the bombing, Alex is talking to Richard Belzer and they're spitball and talking about how Rob do's brother was in command of the army unit because he misunderstood running the race.

Well, George, let me feel that one for you. There is no bottom. That would be if he was on like some truth drug. Yeah, that would be the answer. But we know from looking at the actual timeline in the event, he was coming trying to come up with ways to argue that this was a false flag within minutes of it happening. There was no evidence that came to him that led him to suspect this is a false flag. There's nothing.

It was something he was trying to build from the jump. Yeah. That's the answer, which isn't good. Man, that's an incredible. That's the best question I've been asked. Steve Pochetic style flattery. Check it. Check off the box in forever because I struggle with this every day.

I mean, I want your listeners to know something. I don't just look at an event and say, Hey, what will be sensational? I've got three children. I've got a wife. I've got a family. I, I try to with integrity get things right. And that doesn't mean that I don't make mistakes. It's all the, but it's a historical spectrum of research.

It's, it's, it's fact checking. It's, it's, it's looking at the events that lead up to something. It's, it's watching for telltale signs. So that's vague. It means nothing. I have integrity. This is, this is, I want your audience to know that I'm not some crazy guy who just yells bullshit minutes after a terrorist attack and tries to justify my

predetermined conclusion that it's fake. That's not me. So it's safe to come over to listen to my show. You'll just get researched historical context and truth. He's selling himself and George is helping him. I feel like I'm in one of those TV shows where you're like, they have that episode where the long time nemesis just shows up and acts like they have no idea who the, who they were before.

Oh no, I'm a completely, I'm a changed person. And then the whole time you're going crazy, you're like, no, they're just wearing a mask. You can't buy into this bullshit. No. And everybody doesn't believe you. And you start to go crazier and crazier thinking that you're the one who's insane now.

And then their mask is revealed and it was the bad guy all along. Dan, I'm going crazy right now. George Norrie is a big bad in some ways, but he doesn't appear to be because he has that folksy presentation. And they say, Oh, you know, I just like to talk to interesting people. Yeah. Whatever. When you really get down to it though, he is far more similar to Alex than he

might like people to think. And I think you get a taste of that here in this next clip. There is no question in my mind, Alex, that the globalists, the elitists will do anything, anything to control us to pull our rights down, to rip things apart. They'll do anything. And what's so frustrating for someone like me and you is that when events occur, we really have to question the possibilities of either one.

And that's unfortunate. Exactly. You just hit the nail right there on the head. The point I was trying to make is that my frustration is it could be a lone crazy psychopath that just wants attention. And they're out there. It was the plot of the family guy on the 17th that a guy bombs, you know, the marathon to win right at the finish line.

Maybe a crazy saw that went on. That's right. What? What? That doesn't seem in line with his coverage. That is unfortunate. I will agree with George. That is very unfortunate.

You know what? That's the fucking problem though. And that's why it's so dishonest. And this, this is the same thing that infowars does all the time. You know, people like Caitlin Bennett will go out and try and get people riled up and cause a negative reaction back. Why do you hate me? Cause I'm a conservative framing it as like you're mad at me because I'm

a conservative is the way that you completely warp whatever you're actually doing. Right. When Alex and George are expressing this, like we have to ask the question of it. Could this be fake? It's like, yeah, I honestly do think that that is fine. Yeah.

It's absolute being very cynical and skeptical about things. Right. I don't think that is a negative impulse. It's fine. When you're actively trying to build up argument on like you're building a house of balsa wood. Yeah. That is, you know, trying to demonstrate that this is fake.

That's not asking questions. No. That's the same thing as like Millie Weaver, Caitlin Bennett. Oh, and sure you're being like, we're just conservatives. It's just because of that. Right. No, it's not why. Right.

It's because you're a liar. No one's mad because you're asking a question. You're mad because you're a liar. Yeah. Yeah. You're fucking talking about the family guy episode is you're, oh, well, this is why I've got to ask questions. The episode rebombs the Boston Marathon.

You know, damn well, that's not what that episode was. Yeah. Bullshit. It's just, it's just not, I mean, it's, I've said it before. The way that they cheat is just so infuriating in, in such a like specific way it hits you right in the ribs. Like you can cheat in so many different ways. I'm fine with that.

But this little like, you know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing. Yep. Everybody knows what I'm doing. And we're all just going to keep doing it. Yep. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. It's impenetrable.

Yeah. And then, and they won't ever, but they won't ever just fucking say it. They won't ever just fucking say it right to your face that I know I'm lying to you and you're like, no, but you do. Yeah. Damn it. So, you know, the family guy, one of the things that's important

about that line of rhetoric, that narrative is that it demonstrates for knowledge in some way. Yeah. You had Peter Griffin setting off two bombs at the Boston Marathon. Right. Except that wasn't what was in the episode just in your manipulatively edited clip. You got that.

That's for knowledge of what ends up happening at the Boston bombing. And you know what? That happened at Oklahoma City too. Right. And what about the book? Wasn't there a book written by the former governor of Oklahoma's brother or something about, about the bombing of a federal building or something?

Or Tom McVeigh bombs the Oklahoma City. Yeah. That's bizarre. It was published six months before. Yeah. So did you know about this? I, this is the, the, if you are hosting a show and it's like this and you're supposedly the host of this, you can't just be thrown out.

Wasn't there a thing about that or something? I don't know. Do you think there was a, there was something about that. Right. Go ahead and fill in my life. What do you got? It's a little vague and irresponsible. Yeah.

So the book that Alex and George are talking about here is called the final jihad when the best of the worst finally come for us, which is a fucking unwieldy subtitle. Should have cut that, cut that down a little. Yeah. The book was written by Martin Keating, brother of former governor of Oklahoma, Frank Keating. Conspiracy theorists believe this book somehow demonstrates

foreknowledge on the part of the government about the Oklahoma city bombing. Then they knew, you know, they knew it was going to happen. Sure. Sure. The evidence for this is that there's someone named Tom McVeigh in the book who carries out a bombing on a federal building in Oklahoma, which definitely seems kind of weird at first glance.

It becomes way less weird when you take a couple more glances. Keating had written the book prior to the Oklahoma city bombing, but it wasn't published until the middle of 1996. Well, after the bombing. There's literally no reason to think that he couldn't have gone in and changed a few details in his manuscript to make it seem more interesting after the bombing because it wasn't published until after Alex is saying it was published six months

before it was not probably it was about a year after the bombing that it was actually published early manuscripts could have been very different. That is brilliant on his part. Pretty pretty good on him. That is fucking brilliant. And I look it's wrong. It's wrong.

It's wrong. It's evil. It's wrong. I know it's wrong morally. I can feel it's wrong, but I do admire it because that is genius. You create decent sales out of a probably shitty book. That's genius. Yeah.

Absolutely. So I found an interview with Keating from April 19, 1995, the day of the bombing. I did it. What? I went to a reporter from the Oklahoma educational television authority and I have to say this guy fucking weirds me out. For one, the anchor of the segment says that Keating is

currently quote finishing up a book, which really gives you the strong sense that he wasn't finished with it yet, mostly because that's what those words mean. Yeah. In the middle of the interview, he says unprompted quote, I also predicted the World Trade Center bombing because that would be a gorgeous thing to bring down. He thinks for a beat then says from their perspective with a

really weird smile on his face. All right. He's got a weird smile. All right. Oh God. We're really getting into GOP or ISIS territory right here. This dude gives me the fucking creeps. Oh man.

They would love to blow that up. I bet they would false flag me blowing that up. Oh, I want to blow that shot. He's clearly saying that he thinks it was a right wing group. Yeah. Cause he's talking even in that interview, he's talking about how that the Mura building that got bombed was the place where the FBI agent's office who was in charge of the Waco standoff.

That's where his office was. Great. He's talking about that. He's very clear that what he believes happened in the real world. Yeah. But is also trying to trade in some sort of prophetic aspects to sure. Sure.

Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So this isn't a live TV show. They had to pre-tape this just hours after the bombing. They were going to dig up a story about an unfinished manuscript for a book that has some parallels to the bombing.

It might have believed that the Oklahoma educational television authority as a researcher that thorough on their payroll, they got somebody on the unpublished manuscript beat. Obviously not. This only happens if he reached out to them. And I would say that there's a pretty good chance he reached out to all the other news networks and OETA is the only one that said yes. Yeah.

The bombing itself is not the main plot of the book. So it would have been really possible to take an already existing manuscript about a terrorist cell in the United States, which is what the best of the worst is in the subtitle. It's unwieldy. All right. And you can finesse a few details to make it mirror a real world event, which would then naturally boost your sales considerably

until anyone could demonstrate otherwise. The simplest explanation for this is publicity hunting on the part of Martin Keating. Yeah. Alex and George don't care about any of this though. They need talking points. To justify their anti-government positions and to create seeds of doubt in their audience's mind that all these horrible national

tragedies are really just the plots of these evil globalists looking at them as if they are aren't acting from a position of bad faith. You just see this as absolutely completely stupid, but I think that's naive. Right. That's doesn't seem possible. Yeah.

Yeah. What were they up to with that educational network? What were they doing? It was actually really great to watch. Yeah. Because it's so mid 90s. Yeah. The aesthetics of it, the people in the studio.

Right. It's public access. Do they have that like great table with the black background on it? I don't remember exactly, but they had some like ads for other shows on the on the public access network. Wonderful. And oh God, one of them, there's just the weirdest look a dude in the world who would never be on television.

Yeah. Yeah. He had like a Wall Street review show. Okay. Oh God, I love it. All right. Yeah. So Alex, you mentioned the family guy shit earlier and he brings that back

up because at this point on the 16th, that is one of the only things he has to go on. If you recall on our episode about the 26th, the April 16th episode, that was what he was yelling about for a lot of the yeah. Yeah. It was a while and that carries over to the coast to coast family guy, you know, has shows where, where the cowboy joins the Taliban and blows up the Boston marathon two weeks ago.

And then now they're expunging that off all the DVRs and off the Tivo saying it's a hoax when it's not a hoax. Very creepy. That's happening right now. It's not. You've got no exaggeration. I did the math today. 22 current TV shows where every episode.

I mean, I was talking to my buddy who likes Hawaii five other new season. He says every other episode, a returning veteran is shooting cops or planning bombs or blowing up sporting events. That is a boring show. Then every other episode. That is absolutely not every episode of Hawaii five. That is, that is a really tough show to watch. It really is every other episode.

It's the same thing. They changed it from book on Dano to book the veteran. They changed the catchphrase and everything. I can't believe it. It was weird. Whenever they just started saying, don't trust the military at the beginning. Yeah, just the facts about evil veterans returning home. For this episode, I don't, I did not have time to watch the entire third

season of Hawaii five. Oh, but I did go to their Wikipedia page and I searched the page for veteran or military or soldier. Right. None of the episodes had any of those words in the description. I don't know. Wait, was this the Hawaii five? Oh, with Scott con.

Yes. Okay. All right. And Jen from lost. Oh, okay. You'll take him. Yeah. I got you.

It came out right after a little bit after lost. And it was exciting to see the people from lost getting other bookings. I was, I'm just, I'm always happy when James con son gets any work. Sure. That's just one of the weird thing. You know, some people support sports teams. I support the con family. So did you love that show Tom cat or that movie Tom cats?

Yeah, sure. No way. That was Gary Busey's son. Shit. That was Jake Busey. Jake Busey was great in the fright nurse. That's unequivocally a true fact. Hmm.

Tom cats wasn't good. Yeah. I only saw it cause I worked at a theater. I never would have seen that movie. I think I did see that one. It was terrible. That's awful. Bill Maher.

Yeah. Anyway. This is a show where we know a lot about Bill. Oh, that's not a bad avenue to go down later. Oh yeah. I would be fine with that. I think it would make us too angry. That's true.

Fuck Bill Maher. Anyways, continue. So the, um, all this stuff, there's 22 shows demonizing patriots. Family guy. All this is just Alex trying to build up the idea that, uh, there was a preexisting vibe that was going on that led him to believe they were going to blame the Patriots. Uh, he talks about that, about that a little more here.

I came out. I was, I was still broadcasting an overdrive internet only at like three o'clock central four o'clock. He sure won't happen. And I immediately said, watch my gut tells me we'll try to blame the tea party regardless of whether it's stage or not. And I, there were like 10, 10 newscasts that right after that came on and said, I bet it's tea party that did this.

Michael Moore has said it. Chris Matthews has said it. CNN has said it. George Norrie has said it. Yeah. George Norrie's guest has said it earlier. They didn't say tea party specifically, but when Alex is saying that, we know that the grander context of that is returning veterans, gun owners, militia, right wingers.

You are also trying to get trillions in dollars out of the global economy. You know those lone wolves. He's, he's using tea party as like a stand in for all of those groups when he's talking to George here, but earlier on this very episode that Alex is a guest on George and one of his callers were banding about the idea that it was probably somebody who was mad at legs because they're returning veteran. Yeah. It was an amputee.

So cool. Right. It's consistent. Anyway, Alex gets into more conspiracy bullshit. And I think this is actually really interesting. This low key might be one of my favorite clips that we've seen from Alex because I think it demonstrates something so damning about him. And then you've got the marathon coach saying they were running a drill.

They were announcing on loudspeakers. Never mind what's happening. This is part of the drill. Everything's safe right before it exploded. And then Rob do my news director for my nightly news show. Rob do's brother in law because I've seen him have arguments with him on the phone. His wife's brother is in army intelligence as an officer. He, he is on the army marathon team and he called Rob's wife at about five o'clock his

sister and said, yeah, it's weird. They pulled me out of the race towards the end. You know, I was, I was pretty close to the lead. They said, you're dehydrated. You're going to the hospital. And I didn't think that made sense because normally they, you know, people can crawl across the pipeline and I, and I'm being taken to the hospital. They wanted him out of the way for some reason.

They wanted him out of the way. But here's the deal. Rob hasn't talked to him since then. No one will answer the phone. The wife hasn't been able to see him and, and, and that's something that actually happened. That's weird. That's weird.

Alex, stay with us coming back for more when we come back on coast to coast. No time to explore. Got to go to commercial. Yeah. So one of the things I find, I think is the most interesting about looking at Alex's narratives forensically is that I can tell you when and how they change based on new information that he gets at this point on the 16th. Alex has heard the stuff about the coach who mentioned a police exercise at the marathon,

which based on all evidence is likely a crowd desensitization drill for the police dogs. Alex ran with that information and you see it being repeated here on this in that last clip. On the 16th, Alex had not yet found the pictures on 4chan from the marathon. So he doesn't know anything about black backpacks yet. This narrative about the supposed drill becomes announcements on loudspeakers telling marathon runners not to be worried about men with black backpacks later. That's how he is telling the, uh, when we've looked at the 18th, the 17th, uh, at least the 18th, that's what the narrative becomes.

But because he doesn't have that piece of information yet, his, there was a drill narrative is still in the larval state as he's talking to George. This is a really good case in point for how Alex incorporates information into his already existing narratives. He's already established with his audience that there was a drill going on and that means this was a false flag. Later on, he'll build on this narrative, adding in the entire part about the supposed Navy seals and the white patsy Alex imagined in the pictures he found on 4chan. This fundamentally has no relation to the comments made by the track coach. Um, but Alex needs them to be connected.

So he goes on to claim that the track coach was talking about announcements about people with black backpacks, which is not here when he's talking to George on the 16th because he doesn't have that information yet. But he should because he, all he's talking about is the announcements that the track coach talked about had this be had was if this was sincere and Alex just repeating information, he should know about the black backpacks from the announcement, right? Of course, it's just impossible for this to be the product of good faith effort. Alex already has the information that came from the track coach. So if that information had anything to do with black backpacks, that should be a part of the narrative from the beginning and it's not. Yeah, that's suspicious. Yeah.

What I find the most suspicious is how close to the lead was Rob do his brother. Well, it's interesting. You know what I'm saying? He didn't put that in the other episode. No. When did Rob do his brother get really good at marathon running? That's, that's interesting. And that's exactly what, you know, what, there's added details to Rob do his brother's narrative that don't exist as it's been told on Alex's show. And I think what's going on there is that Alex starts down that road and then realizes he's not talking to his dumb, dumb audience and he doesn't, he has to make this more interesting somehow.

Yeah. So you add a bunch more details. He starts embodying Rob do his brother talking in the first person to make this somehow seem more compelling than it is. And when he does that, he also has to toss in some sort of brag. Right. For some reason, it's just that narcissistic malignant psychopathy of just like, and, uh, yeah, he's close to the lead too. Why? Why do you think he wouldn't be close? I think that's, I think that's less narcissism and more trying to make it seem more egregious that they thought he was dehydrated. Yeah. He was winning the race. Yeah.

He was waiting. Yeah, sure. He was waiting. All right. Why would they take him out? Right. People crawl across the finish line. Yeah. It's just sick manipulative shit. And you can see like very clearly the way this morphs.

He's on a fucking gigantic show. Yeah. If he had the information that he supposedly has, it wouldn't come out this way. And, uh, I think that's all the evidence you need that this guy is a fucking shithead. Yep. So in this next clip, Alex, uh, cite some globalists, uh, talking about how they want to take us all out. Right. Right.

Then George asks another good question in a different context. What would be a good question would be a good question. And that is basically, but they're a real terrorist, right? So they're going to use computers and robots to track and trace and socially engineer us to make us pliable and submissive so we can then be exterminated. They think it's their responsibility to do this. Don't they? Absolutely.

The White House science are rodeco science bragging about it in the seventies. Bertrand Russell, 80 years ago wrote about it. I mean, this is their religion. And that's why they can fund terrorists to attack us to scare us into submission. That's why, uh, you know, they can come out and say it's either al-Qaeda that attacked us or it's libertarians. But you don't deny that there is some al-Qaeda, Middle Eastern people, fanatics who hate us. There are real groups and then they get recruited under multinational organizations to engage

in selective controlled attacks. And the compartmentalized low level people don't even know what they're part of. They believe they're fighting for, you know, the Jihad, Allah, whatever for Wahhabism, but they're working for a higher cause to scare the West into giving up. It's liberty and freedom. I mean, so your answer is no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to go with there are no real terrorists then.

They're all just run by the globalists. Everybody is run by the globalists. Right. The non-white ones are tricked into doing it because they think that they're pursuing their own goals and they're actually pawns of the globalists. Yeah. He's almost describing like a punk rock scenario for terrorism where like you get a good band together and you start out real small and then you start gaining some traction.

A bunch of members and then the fucking record labels come in and they they just own you. Yeah. They just own you. The only pure terrorist in a garage. Yeah, it's got to be down on the lower level, you know, like in those in those DC shows. Right. Yeah, it's it's it's really strange. And again, like I said, I think that that would be a real pointed question to ask Alex

in a situation where you would actually ask follow ups and actually be interested in an answer as opposed to allowing Alex to just spout his nonsense. Yeah. So and one of the reasons I think that this is a problem and just it's impossible for this sort of interview to go well is that George Norrie is not like I think his perception of things is a little bit off. And how many mainstream media people, Alex, even know that when the Soviets were in Afghanistan, we created and backed the freedom fighters who are called the Mujahideen, who

became part of the Taliban, part of Al Qaeda. I would say all of them. Yeah, that would be pretty much everybody. Are you acting like this is some kind of obscure information here about the Iran Contra situation? Are you like, do you do you sincerely think that most people who are in the media don't know that? That's crazy.

Yeah. This isn't some kind of buried truth. Like this is very well known. This is one of the few egregious acts of treason committed by a Republican president that we do talk about. There are so many that we don't so widely spread. It's almost it's it. This is college dorm shit.

Yeah. This is blowing your mind kind of nonsense, but presenting the idea that everybody who's not part of their truth movement doesn't even know this. Yeah. Is crazy. Yeah. Nonsense. Okay.

Here's where it turns out even worse and they start getting into anti-vax stuff. The globalist, as you know and have talked about, are pushing vaccines that on record have made autism go from one in 25,000 to one in. Poorly. Well, as you know, I don't take the vaccine. I will never tell someone not to. That's their business, but I don't take. I don't take the flu shot.

I don't take any of it. I had a vaccine when I was in the Navy that blew my arm up the size of a basketball. Oh, yeah. And I, you know, that was the last I ever had and that was it for me. It's great to not tell people that they shouldn't get vaccines, but do you think that maybe you're achieving the exact same outcome, but make yourself feel better because you say you're not telling people not to people not to, I'm just repeating a story about the dangers of vaccines and how they've personally harmed me and I consistently say that I never get

that. I will never do it. And I'm a trustworthy voice that you listen to. I'm positioned in a place of admiration and respect and I would say that I never do it. You think that this might just be a psychological crutch so you don't have to take responsibility for the things you advocate. Yeah. Oh, maybe.

Yeah. Anyway, some context on this. George Norrie has been on the radio since at least 1979. So it stands to reason that this time that he got a shot and had a bad reaction to it happened before then. And it should be pointed out that vaccines have come a long way in the last 40 years. The last time Manori got a shot was a time before they even had vaccines for hepatitis A and B, Lyme disease and rotavirus.

Countless lives have been saved due to these medical advancements, but George got a bump on his arm four decades ago. So now he's going to let shitheads like Alex spread their anti-vax propaganda to his audience and give them full tacit support. Yeah. Guess who just booked their ticket to con man Island. Oh boy. Get on there, George.

Yeah. So I just, I got, I got no time, I had no time for this shit and George has nothing but time for it. You know, my uncle who's a Vietnam veteran, I don't have to tell him about vaccines. They gave him a tetanus shot on his way to Vietnam that put him in the hospital for two weeks. Yeah. They backed out.

I mean, somebody told me last year, you know, they're going to get a flu shot and I said, all right, you know, God love you. And they got it and they got really sick. And she said, I'm never going to get one of those again. I was fine until I got the shot, she said, but you go in and get it and you get sick. And a total story. It's great. I never, I'm not going to tell anybody not to get their shot.

I will say in a very condescending tone, God love you. I love you. Hey, let me tell you about the times that I've gotten shots and nothing's happening. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Is that as anecdotally valid as all of your apocryphal stories about your uncle and some stranger you talk to? No, no, no.

I was at school and all of these kids got shots and nothing bad happened to any of them. But you're not going to see that being entered into anecdotal evidence. Right. That's for sure. That's why these arguments are made this way is because statistically all the other stories are boring as shit. Yeah, exactly. Or the opposite.

You can only build a case for a position like this with appeal to emotion and narrative and these, these anonymous stories of someone who got sick because they got a vaccine or his arm blew up to the size of a basketball. And if you don't have one of those, just make one up. Right. I don't know that this person that George is talking about exists. Nope. That's probably a welfare queen.

Toss it in there. We're supposed to trust him because he's folksy and seems nice. Yeah. But who knows? I don't know. Why would George Norrie lie to you? Anyway, this is a very important thing because this is one of the things that make George Norrie a real shithead is that he is pretty anti facts and has a lot of alternative ideas

about science as evidenced by the doctor that he talked to at the beginning of the episode being strongly anti psych meds. So that's a problem and it is a problem that we'll continually see and we'll develop as we get more and more into coast to coast naturally. So Alex is a mad about people caring about the victims of the bomb and, but he's full of empathy. You should know that. Well, no, of course, but he's still mad.

Well, yeah, you can't while hundreds of thousands die from flesh eating bacteria in the U S every year admitted hundreds of thousands die from bad drug interactions, hundreds of thousands die from bad medical procedures. We're talking, you know, 600,000 total or more and no one cares. It's not on the radar, but oh my gosh, in high death, here's three dead people. We need to ban your liberties because of this. I mean, how would I not be suspicious of the entire motive here? Let's sell every city $15 million of bomb disposal robots.

Okay. All right. Couple important points. Hundreds of thousands of people do not die from flesh eating bacteria every year in the United States. It admitted the CDC puts the number at between 700 and 1200 cases per year with about a quarter of the cases being fatal. That puts us at about 300 per people per year in the United States maximum dying from flesh

eating bacteria. I'm not even sure that a hundred thousand people die of it every year globally. I'm not even sure a hundred thousand people have ever died. Probably have. Yeah, hundreds of thousands don't die from bad drug reactions. The number you most commonly see cited is a hundred thousand per year, which certainly is a lot and it is a real problem, but Alex is still embellishing it in service of minimizing the deaths at the Boston bombing, which is what a monster would do.

Alex might be closer to fine on the medical procedure one, but there's a larger issue that he's completely ignoring about all of these examples. All of these things are examples of things that the federal government has spent money trying to address. The CDC puts out PSAs and educational material about how to avoid getting flesh eating bacteria. Many of the drugs that people have adverse reactions to are prescribed and are substances that are literally called controlled substances. You're not going to last long being a licensed doctor who can practice medicine if you keep

botching surgeries and procedures. Using examples like these in relations to guns really only makes the argument stronger that all guns should be licensed and registered. Yeah. A lot of people do die from medical complications, but imagine how many more would be dying if you just had no licensing or governmental educational requirements for doctors to do surgery. Dan, there's no way that you could possibly imagine that because from the dawn of a medicine,

that has always been the case, right? There was never any hundreds and hundreds of years where you could just call yourself a doctor and fuck people up. The free market would figure it out. Yeah, exactly. The free market would settle this. Yeah, that would solve the problem. If you kill enough people, no one's going to use your services.

Yep. You know what's fun about this? It's the same argument. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, no, no. It's the same argument that Alex has about like, yeah, you know, people say guns kill people, but cars kill people.

Yeah, yeah. Yes. You have to have a license. Yeah. You have to have insurance if you drive on public roads. Using that as an example to be like, you know, hey, you say guns kill people, this does too. It's like, yes, absolutely.

How many more would be killed? The government takes care of that. We try to minimize the damage that that does through licensing, through insurance. In case you do get into an accident, the insurance helps pay for the person that you've harmed in there. So using that as an example only hurts the gun arguments. You should have to have insurance for your gun. You bet.

I don't know. You better believe it. Sorry. What you were saying. I just think what's what's what's fascinating about this argument is that he gets to, he he's getting it both ways here because he's both setting the stage for it to be a false flag attack. So it doesn't matter who did it, except for who they're trying to blame for it.

Well, at the same time, minimizing what the attack actually means, almost saying like, well, if it is a right wing terrorist, they wouldn't, we wouldn't act, you know, he's not going to say we, but they wouldn't just go after something small like, oh, only three dead people, only a hundred. He literally is doing that. Yeah. He would have gone after somebody. He went building.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That whole thing just utterly, utterly fine. I want white terrorism to happen and I don't want to be blamed for it. He's real, real shitty. Yeah.

So they get to talking about some others topics like they, there's a bit of the Boston bombing talk, but then they're, they also veer off in other directions because Nori has some news topics that he wants to hit. And one of them is apparently a discussion about allowing people to have knives on planes. Right. And this is you pro or con? Well, I don't, I don't, I don't care about my position. I care about theirs.

Okay. And it's weird. Let me ask you about TSA. Yes, sir. There are things that they do, which I don't like. We, you know, I think over screen, you know, patting down little old ladies in wheelchairs, stuff like that is crazy. The judgment is nuts, but allowing as of next week to take a 2.36 inch knife on board that

plane to me is ludicrous. After all these things have that have been going on, any lunatic could bring a knife on that. And with a 2.36 inch knife, you can inflict some pretty darn bodily harm into somebody else. Well, yeah, take the Lone Star College thing in Texas last week where 12 plus people were stabbed by a one inch exacto knife. And my issue is this, England is trying to register butcher knives now because they took

the guns of the stabbings exploded and I want to know why they make pilots who we trust with the whole aircraft, this giant missile, this giant weapon, why do pilots have to jump because I've interviewed them and you've interviewed them through dozens of hoops to have a locked up in a safe of firearm in the cockpit. But yeah, now we're going to let people take knives on the plane. It's just not that's what I'm saying, George. This is crazy. So first of all, I have not heard Alex say a single word about that Lone Star College

stabbing on his show. When he first brought it up, I thought he was talking about the shooting at Lone Star College from back in January 2013 that we covered on our show. If you don't remember, that was the one where Alex feverishly covered live footage of it on his show saying the media was covering it up, thinking that he could turn it into his own sandy hook only to realize that most of the students at the school were black and he lost interest. Yep.

Well, it turns out on April 9th, 2013, there was another incident at Lone Star College when a student named Dylan quick stabbed 14 people before being tackled to the ground by a fellow student. In interviews with police quick talked about having fantasies about cutting off people's faces and wearing them as masks since he was age eight. And he also talked about how he was into necrophilia and cannibalism. Right. Right.

Right. It's so weird to me that Alex never brought up this case until now and not on his own show. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that Dylan quick is a white male who went on a stabbing spree at a school that has a student body that's approximately 75% non white because see, it's a story that fits perfectly into his narratives. Here you have an example of a non gun related school attack. It's just sitting there on the tee for Alex ready for him to use as proof that school violence isn't about guns.

But for some reason, I don't remember seeing him or hearing him say anything about it, which I imagine is just because Alex was super busy at the time with trying to help Steve Pachanik pretend to be in Korea on clandestine business. That could be. He had more important things to do. Also shouldn't Alex fully support being able to be armed on a plane doesn't he not realize that him conceding that there are certain situations where it's not appropriate for him to be armed really hurts his argument that the globalists are trying to make schools

and hospitals disarmament zones. If he's allowed that some places are places where you should not be allowed to be armed, it logically follows that there may be some other places where the same is true. What is it about a plane that makes it so you shouldn't be able to be armed on it? Well, if it's that it's a confined space, then he shouldn't be okay with anyone being armed on a train, a bus or any other form of public transportation. These are just simple and very elementary problems of the way Alex constructs arguments and the term for this is inconsistency.

Alex goes on and on all the time about how more guns equals safety because having a weapon empowers a person to defend themselves. But here for some reason he's opposed to people being able to protect themselves just because they're on a plane. His argument that the answer to the bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun should still apply in this situation. The answer to a bad guy with a gun on a plane is a good guy with a gun on a plane. There's nothing.

And it's even worse in terms of knives because guns you could say, well, you might shoot out the window and it's a big, you know, that makes sense. But knives, you're not going to knife through the window. You don't know that. You're probably not. Here's, here's the, here's what you're missing. It's all about length. It's all about dimensions.

All right. 2.36 inches is far longer than nine millimeters. We all know what the real fucking cutoff is. I appreciate your attempt at, uh, at, uh, rationalization for him, but it doesn't work. He needs to provide a relevant reason why he would be in favor of someone being armed in every situation except one and he's failed to do so. The fundamental problem is that Alex is an absolutist and he yells all the time about how the public's right to be armed cannot be infringed.

And that's incompatible with the belief that good law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed on a plane. They're not going to attack anybody while they're on that plane. So why are you worried about it? Because these positions are incompatible. It's a strong indication that Alex isn't really as principled as he pretends to be, which I know is a shock. Of course.

Maybe there's something else behind his supposed convictions, uh, that he's just not spelling out. Or maybe that he doesn't even realize quite frankly, if you, if you yell about it, everyone should be armed in every single situation. You should be able to have guns at a stadium, uh, at the hospital in the waiting room when your kid's being born. You should have a gun. Yeah.

All of these things. Like if you believe all that stuff, you need to make a fuller argument about why you're against people having knives on a plane. Right. Right. Right. Right. Um, I think probably just cause like, you know, what if it, what if it crashes?

Then you get stabbed by the knife. That is a very serious consideration. I hadn't thought about that. I'd retract everything. So along the way on this episode, we've seen Alex kind of minimize the deaths at the bombing and be a little bit dickish even while he's touting his great, uh, empathy. Sure. And so George tries to push back a little bit on that about how like you should, we

should care about these victims, which I tip my hat to a little bit, um, and Alex tries to pretend he cares. Okay. Let's hear this tone of voice. So while we're scared of whoever killed three people at the Boston Marathon and the media is acting like it's the end of the world, there's giant issues going on. I saw a Washington Post article a few months ago that's had the headline. And let me, let me clarify that cause I want, I want, I want you to say this cause I don't

want people to think you're not caring, you're insensitive. Three people died, 170 injured, 17 critical, a lot with their arms and legs blown off. That's incredible. I'm not saying anything down on that. No, absolutely not. It's the opposite. The minute, I mean, I saw the photos of a guy with his leg blown off at the knee with a bone sticking out with arteries hanging out.

Well, listen to this. That one, the little eight year old boy who was killed, who was waiting at the finish line for his father who was in the race, his sister, six years old, had her arm blown off. Oh my God. I mean, I mean, can you imagine that father as he came down, running down in the marathon to come up to his family, his little boy's dead and his six year old daughter has an arm gone. He'll never be the same.

Well, I mean, I have children as you do and I don't even want to think about it. I mean, I mean, quite frankly, you know, all the media sister and says, oh, we care so much. Oh, we're so sad. Oh, it's terrible. But they're there basically narcissistically throwing in all the ratings. Alex. Wow.

That's crazy. You're doing it again. Man. Come on. So this clip is super interesting to me because just hours earlier on his own show, Alex had repeatedly done some riffs about how that very same eight year old child was probably killed because a cop told him to hold the bomb before it went off. You got it.

Alex in his own controlled environment, spoken ways that were outrageously disrespectful about this kid who was killed. And if I was the parent listening to that, I would be furious. Uh-huh. And he did that and he was able to because he's acclimated his audience to that cruelty and in humanity gradually. And now he has them convinced that, uh, him fantasizing about imagined scenarios of how the globalists killed this kid is somehow productive as a part of fighting the globalists.

He can't do that on coast to coast. As I've repeatedly pointed out, he knows the audience is very different and he knows that if he shows his true colors, no one's going to come over to his show, but it's bigger than that. George Norrie doesn't listen to Alex's show. He doesn't know the kinds of horrible bullshit Alex says every day. Cause he just doesn't have time for that. He's a busy dude.

Yeah. He's got hours of radio to do. He's got prep. He's got a life to live. Yeah. He doesn't have time to listen to three hours of Alex doing bullshit. Also, he probably thinks that it's actually very boring. I would, I would assume so.

And I agree. It is. And he would probably be fine with most of Alex's political stupidity, but this sort of disrespect to a child victim of a bombing would most likely offend even George's sensibilities. And Alex knows that that would mean he'd no longer be welcome on the show, which is way bigger than his. Yeah. If, you know, if he was joking about this kid being handed a bomb, which I have to stress

was on the 16th, that was on Alex's show that he did this same day. Yeah. This is crucial. Alex demonstrated a certain sort of behavior on his show on April 15th at 16th, and he's demonstrating quite different behaviors here on coast to coast AM. One would be wise to ask themselves what possible explanation there could be for that. I can't think of any. Nope.

Money. Yeah. Could be. And we see Alex like just sort of rolling around like a pig and shit talking about how his ratings are through the roof. Yeah. Talking about narcissistic media basking in the ratings. Yeah.

He did it. He did it again. He did that thing where he's like, I know how to make the media sound so evil. I'll say they're doing what I'm doing right now. And I'll be honest. I think that the criticism of the media hunting ratings. Oh, for sure. And the aftermath of tragedies is absolutely.

I agree. I agree. And it's again, I'm liking this formation of this and how I say this, I'll accept that criticism from anybody, but Alex, that is a fine point, but you don't get to make it. You can't be in the middle of doing it while judging someone else for it. You can't. That's a rule. That's where the.

That's gotta be a rule. That's where the comes in. So, uh, they talk about a load of bullshit. Alex suggests that, uh, you know, uh, that, uh, George, uh, Jay Leno is in trouble with the network because he secretly sports Alex. They talk about George loved, uh, Alex's appearance on Piers Morgan. It's just a bunch of bull. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So you can, you can sort of hit the fast forward button on that. And we get to them talking about how you need to get, you know, you know, the new world order is going to take over and we're all going to have to get chips. Any moment now. And so George, I think jokingly asks Alex if he's going to get chipped. Okay.

When the time comes, you know, would you, uh, are you going to ever get the chip when it's time? Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, if I'm 70 years old and I have a heart attack and they go get a chip to work my heart, that's fine. But if it's a technology's not even one of itself, but if it's a chip to buy and sell, absolutely never. Are you serious? Do you think that these fucking evil globalists aren't going to tell you it's for a medical

reason? What are you doing? You, you're saying that in some circumstances it's fine to get these chips that invalidates your argument. Well, I mean, Vince Staples says that you should never get chipped. He is very adamant on that. Okay. Uh, but also that is such a fun, trusting, dumb thing to say.

Just that, like, well, obviously technology's not all evil. If I need it, I'll get it. But if I don't need it, then I won't get it. Like they're going to present it to you like, Hey, this one's going to be for buying and selling you. And this one over here is going to control your heart. Choose. And Alex is the sort.

And I know this. I don't trust you. So I'm going to choose the one that you said was going to kill me. Alex is like, I've listened to enough of him to know that he talks all the time about the globalist Trojan Trojan horsing things in vaccines, put cancer virus in the vaccine to try and trick you into thinking it's a medical thing in order to soft kill you. Right. So why would he say that?

If there's a medical need for me to get at this chip, I'm going to do it because it's a fucking idiot. It's such, it's such fantastic, fantastical, like childlike thinking of the rules. Like they're playing by the fairy rules, Dan. You can't do it. You have to shake my hand three times and say my name backwards. Otherwise you got to heal my heart. But it's also the same thing as the I'm against knives on a plane.

Yeah. This is a counter example to what you believe or what you've expressed. You saying that there's a circumstance where you're accepting this chip. That means that none of the stuff you say is real. Yeah. And you can't hold the positions that you hold unless you allow people with knives on planes. Also, what if you're 56 and you need it to the savior?

Is there an age cut off for you where you're like, wow, I'm 70. I don't need to worry about it. I'll get the heart chip if they buy and sell me whatever that happens. So there's just a bunch more talk about the family guy stuff and Alex is pretty clearly expressing that he understands that what they did was run with a clip that showed different parts of the episode put together to make it appear that Peter was bombing the marathon. There's sort of indications that he's aware of it. I don't really care.

Sure. I've talked so much more about this George announces that he's going to Canada to give a speech and Alex is going to be live streaming in via Skype. Oh, and Alex, they talk about like, why aren't you going to come? Alex says, I'm not allowed in Canada. That's not sure. Fine. Whatever.

Shut the fuck up. I don't know if Alex ended up showing up to that one. But in 2015, George Noria gave a speech in Toronto and Alex was his guest. Yeah, of course. It's all bullshit. Yeah. It's just trying to build up this rebel persona to make it be like, oh, I'm dangerous. Well, what it was, he had an outstanding parking ticket and they take that really serious

and come back. So, you know, what are you going to do? So this last clip, I think is interesting and sad in hindsight, but what are you going to do? I wonder what 2016 will be for all of us, Alex. What do you think? Any prospects? Do you know who's going to run?

What do you think? Well, I can tell you, Rand Paul is going to run for president. Really? There is free elections in this country. He'll probably win. Oh, boy. So that I just when I could turn back time when I was listening to that, just hearing George Noria and his folksy ass voice, I wonder what 2016 will bring for all of us.

Oh, no. If only you knew such a jump cut, you know, that's, oh, God, if only you knew and if only you knew that a lot of the negative stuff is the direct consequence of the actions that you and your decisions have chosen to facilitate, to mainstream, to platform, giving these people a much larger audience, much more influenced than what they bring to the table deserves. I would say you should look back on this, George, and be deeply ashamed. You know, here's what is actually happening right now. And this is something that I don't know if I can prove, but I think it's true.

George Nori in that moment, right? Genuinely wondered what was going to happen in 2016. So all of a sudden we have a thought bubbly appearing, and then we're playing out the simulation of what would happen if George Nori continues on the same track. When we find ourselves at the end of the world and explodes, he's going to suddenly wake up in the middle of this conversation, say, fuck you, Alex Jones, Donald Trump will never be president. He's going to burn the studio down and run out the door screaming.

And that's how we're going to save the world, Dan. It's not good that that's a better reality than the way we existed. I know. So this brings us to the end of our maiden voyage going into the world of coast to coast A.M. I think you can see some pretty good reasons why this is fits into what we do. This is a scam. This is bullshit. This is mainlining propaganda when it's not talking about Bigfoot, which we may talk about

at some point. Some of those love some big foot shirt. We may end up going into some of the paranormal and weirder episodes of Coast to Coast. But what you see is a very concerted effort to make Alex seem like a credible expert. And make the things that he sanitize the things that he does on his show by creating a different moderate version of it to present to your audience. And then loud as a deep researcher guy who knows all this shit. And then what actually comes out is this man between Nori and Rogan.

We got a we got a fucking army of people that are soft launched into but I think Nori is worse. Oh, I agree with you. And I think the the what would I would the intersections of so many worlds exist on Coast to Coast because we have space weirdos, right? So that has a lot of the project Camelot stuff in it. You have Alex and these anti-communist extreme right wing folk right info wars contributors and what have you.

And then also you have people like Steve quail and Tom Horn who are pretty regular guests on Jim Baker. Yeah. Talk about apocalyptic end time stuff. Yeah, you have the worst of the oh, it's like that that book written by the brother of the Oklahoma governor. It's the best of the worst. Oh yeah, you might be right.

All of these people exist within the the guest list of Coast to Coast AM. And then you add on to that that George Nori is one of his sponsors is young Jevity and Dr. Joel Wall of course the veterinarian the fuck are those people you have these. There's so much intersection that comes in God at Coast to Coast. And I think as we to peel back layers on the onion, I think that what we're what we'll see is almost a unified place where a lot of cover that young Jevity is actually behind the fucking all of this. I'm going to lose my shit.

I don't think we'll find that but I do think it will see tons of parallels not just to Alex but to all of these other topics that we cover and all of these other scammers. So I look forward to that. Yeah, I hope everyone enjoyed and we'll be back next time indeed. We will. Until then, Dan, we have website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com.

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