Knowledge Fight - #360: October 23, 2019

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on the present day of The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex has both of his lawyers on as guest, and the two of them have an informal "who can be the worst" contest that is really pretty mind-blowing.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding me. Hello, Alex, I'm a big fan, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. Knowledge fight. No, no, no, no, knowledge fight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan, we're a couple dudes like sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan Jordan. Dan, what's up Jordan? Let me ask you this. I love to hear questions. But actually I have a question that I hope you'll ask. I'm really it's this is a

weird situation because I want to talk about okay, and I want you to ask your question. But there's a real big part of me that hopes it's a very specific question that I don't think you're going to ask. I don't there are, I'm going to go with roughly an infinite number of questions. So it would be very difficult. But look directly into my eyes. We're doing this right here. We're mind melding. Okay. All right. All right. You get it? No, I have no idea. What do you want to talk about? No, that's not your question. What's your question? Have you ever caught somebody in a lie and told them to their face? Yeah, probably. I mean, obviously we catch people in lies. Yeah, probably. I'm not sure it's an interesting story. What I'd rather talk

about is I'm not worried about it. This is a foregone conclusion. The moment you said I wanted to talk about something. I don't know why you bothered. I need to just tell you about this, Jordan. We could have talked about this question later. We could have saved it. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So look, man, I've been spending the morning before we record. I had a little bit of downtime, right? I got most of the episode prepared last night. Sure. I was sitting around waiting for you to show up over at the studio. And I started exploring a few things. I think I've discovered a genre of music that might be right in my wheelhouse. And this Jordan, probably re imaginings of Phil Collins song. Okay, all right. There we go. That's the cannon is fantastic.

Short. I mean, we're talking about sure it is. Disturb sure it is land of confusion. No, everybody thinks Phil Collins is great. Granted, that's Genesis. Now, Phil Collins, Phil Collins singing. Yeah. And bone thugs and harmony. Take me home. Right. Holy shit. Really feel like I've talked about this in the past. It might just be a rediscovering. I've never heard of it before. Who's re rediscovering these? I'm rediscovering my love of these re imaginings of Phil Collins reimagining it. Disturbed confusion. Oh, shit. Great remake of a Genesis song. And then bone thugs and harmony did take me home. Yeah. Yeah. Got Phil Collins to do it with them. Right. He's in the video and everything. You're walking around with crazy lazy and wish. Yeah. Fantastic. Anyway,

I went on a real rabbit hole of air. Let's see. This is as good as I remember. I started listening to a bunch of the I got the hook up soundtrack. Oh man. Pretty good stuff on there like see murder. So would you hesitate? All right. Great track. Okay. Eight ball and MJG showing up. Now that started me going down a road of like, see murder still in prison. Yeah, committed murder. Yeah. But two of the witnesses in his trial have recently recanted. Oh, testimony. Really? Yeah. And they won't give him a new trial. No, crazy. Yeah. Anyway, probably should get a new trial for see murder. Yeah. No, this is why we shouldn't record this early. We gotta we gotta do something. All right. We're gonna stop recording. We're gonna get see murder out and then we're gonna

come right back. I'm not sure if I want to get them out, but I think we should take another look at it. We should take another look at it. Just his name is see murder. No, that is true. That is true. Yeah. That that was admissible in court. I don't know. Anyway, Jordan, we're here. Would you say that the witnesses no longer see murder? They Yeah, they claim that they did not see a murder. There you go. All right. So, Jordan, this is a podcast where I have the questionable musical tastes and know a lot about Alex and I regretfully have to participate in both. And we should record this early in the morning. We're we are all over the place. Oh, yeah. But you know, we have a bit of business to do here. Talk about Alex Jones.

We're back in 2013, right? No, no, the present day. No shit. I can't do a 2013 episode except on Mondays because they don't have enough time between episodes on Wednesday and Friday. That's a good point to do all the the reading that's required and all the stuff. So it does take a lot longer than these normal day episodes. Most of Alex's present day narratives and stuff are pretty easy. Yeah, bang that out in a few hours. You're good to go. Whereas like with Alex's, especially around this Boston bombing period, like that is stuff that where like, two minutes of his show might take me an hour and a half, right? Right. Like just because he'll lie about something and that requires a ton of reading. And so no, but we will be back in

2013 for Monday. I consider the coast to coast episode from Wednesday to be our 2013 episode of the week. Okay, because that does you got both wacky and 2013 out in the same episode. That's great stuff. Yeah, because it does add to the the sort of canon for sure of our understanding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're doing a present day episode today. We're doing October 23rd, 2019. All right. Wednesday. And hey, man, there's some silly shit going on naturally some bad stuff going on. Of course. And Alex has both of his lawyers as guests. That cannot be true. Jesus Christ. I'm not sure I've seen an episode where both of his lawyers have come on on the same episode. Are they physically there or okay? All right. Patis calls in Norm. Norm Patis calls in and

Barnes is in studio. Yeah, of course. Barnes is there. Yeah, he's he's more eager for the fray. Barnes is not busy. Although I do it's we're gonna have to have a conversation at the end of this episode about which of them comes off worse. Okay, both of them do something that is each in its own way pretty fucked up. All right. All right. We'll get to that here in a moment. But before we do, Jordan, we're gonna take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. So first, Jackie, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Jackie. Next, flex Montello. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much. Lex Montello. Next, Brent from the none dare call it ordinary

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is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Josiah and Reverend Dr. Peter Anomaly. Yes. Thank you very much to the both of you. Last one sounds like a Philip K Dick character. And maybe I haven't gotten through all of his work yet. That is quite frankly, it could be a PKD reference. If you're out there listening, you're thinking, Hey, I enjoy the show. I like what these gents do. I'd like to support it. You can do that by going to our website, knowledge bite.com, clicking the button that says support the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be very nice. So Jordan, before we get into today's episode, what's up? I have perhaps one of my favorite out of context drops. If you play bone thugs in harmony right now, I am going to be

serious. No, this is, uh, this is a rare type of, uh, uh, out of context drop that I just think is like, this could not be better. There's no way to improve it. Right. There may be a better drop out there, but this drop is the ideal form of this drop. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Now what I'm about to say is incredibly obvious and I'm not talking down to any of the viewers or any of the listeners. I'm just stating the facts. I own a chainsaw. Yep. Oh, not condescending. I don't know how that could be condescending. I'm just stating the fact. Just I own a chainsaw. Oh God. Now we, now if you've seen Mandy, uh, now we need Nick Cage to fight, Alex Jones in a chainsaw fight. Perfect. Yeah. I know Alex, he owns one. He owns a chainsaw.

So we jump in here. This is, uh, this is how Alex gets, uh, gets the old ball rolling. Uh, it's, it's predictable. It's, uh, just, uh, hey, Trump, Trump, this impeachment thing is bullshit. Now we obviously have the latest developments taking place on a lot of different fronts. And we have the latest rerun of the whistleblower hoax with the diplomat, the lead diplomat, the ambassador to Ukraine saying he heard somebody say it was quid pro quo, just like the other fake whistleblowers whose names we can't know lied and said that as well. And then even when he testified, Bill Taylor yesterday in his bomb show had to admit that when he got a call from the EU ambassador and told him that, he said, that's insane.

Trump never said quid pro quo or that he better be given something. So you may, you may notice that, uh, Alex is calling all this Ukraine business specifically as it relates to the impeachment inquiry, a hoax. Yes. Yeah. You'd expect that from Alex. And I almost yawn when he opens a show like this. Right. It's just like, Oh God, this again. Yeah. Weird that he doesn't start off the show talking about Mick Mulvaney's weird ass press conference from the other day. But you know, that would get that one, the one where Mick Mulvaney said, Trump asked for a quid pro quo. We do that all the time. Get over it. Yeah. Get over it. Yeah. So he doesn't talk about that. It's a hoax. Even though they admitted they committed the crime.

It's, um, gotcha. Well, I think that the reason is that would be a challenge. That would be really hard to do. Spinning that one. And I know that they, you know, Mulvaney's like walked back that and they tried to do some damage control and we'll have you back off. That shouldn't even be possible. Yeah. Alex isn't touching that one. He's going ahead and maligning Bill Taylor. So anyway, Alex brings up that testimony. Bill Taylor is the top diplomat for the US and Ukraine. Yeah. On Tuesday, Taylor spoke with the House committee members privately. So a lot of what he said in those conversations hasn't been released. But his 15 page opening statement is very public. And that's what Alex is calling his testimony. You get your first indication that Alex dismissively

calling this testimony a bombshell. Yeah. That might be an indication that Alex is very scared of what this guy said. Cause it was a bombshell. The first indication is on page one. Just cause you can say it in a, your sarcastic voice does not make it not true. Yeah. It's like me saying, uh, hey, that bone thugs and Phil Collins, it's a great song. Yeah. It's a good song. It is a good song. Exactly. So anyway, from page one, quote, our national security demands that this relationship with the US and Ukraine remain strong. However, in August and September of this year, I became increasingly concerned that our relationship with Ukraine was being fundamentally undermined by an irregular informal channel of US policymaking and by the withholding of vital security assistance

for domestic political reasons. Yeah, that sounds, uh, oh, that sounds fake. Uh, oh, folks. Bill Taylor was the US ambassador to Ukraine from 2006 to 2009 and is very well aware of the situation in the country and its recent history. He is absolutely no slouch. And when he's testifying that there was a divergent, unofficial foreign policy operation going on outside the state department, it's a real serious charge. And it becomes even more serious when you realize the charge Taylor is making is that this second unofficial channel was contradicting and threatening the objectives of the real official channel of US foreign policy, namely strong support for Ukraine. Yeah. Taylor's opening statement involves very clear specifics like the following, quote, on June

27th, Ambassador Sondland told me during a phone conversation that President Zelensky needed to make clear to President Trump that he, President Zelensky wasn't standing in the way of investigations. I don't understand. That doesn't sound like a pretty any issue. There's no problem there. Taylor provided WhatsApp conversations with ambassadors Volker and Sondland where Volker said what was quote, most important is for Zelensky to say he will help investigations and address any specific personnel issues if there are any, you can fake those. Sure. What's that? He just, I mean, if you write them by hand, then you don't even know if they're from what totally. On July 20th, the representative of Zelensky told Taylor that Zelensky quote did not want to be

used as a pawn in a US reelection campaign, which kind of throws calls into question the idea of whether people on the Ukrainian side were aware of the machinations. Yeah, they definitely were. Kind of puts that into question. Taylor describes conversations with Ambassador Sondland where Sondland explicitly tells him that support for Ukraine was contingent on Zelensky publicly saying that they were going to do these investigations because quote, Trump wanted President Zelensky in a public box. Right. Right. Right. No. And I know that that's like, you know, sure it's firsthand, but it's still hearsay. You can't trust it. Sure. Taylor describes that quote, the inability of any US official to respond to Ukrainian, Ukrainian's explicit

questions about security assistance was troubling them. You know, like the idea that they ask us what's going on with this and no one, they just stonewall. Yeah. You know, and that sounds exactly like how Trump seems to operate. No, like a mobster. No, you know what you're supposed to do and you're not going to get me to say it. So just do it or there'll be problems. Right. That's how they're like, yeah, criminal enterprises run now. No, no, no, no. No one's like, go kill that guy. No, no, no. Every time I buy weed, I first off call, I call first and I say, I would like to buy some drugs from you illegally. Then I text him that information as well. Yeah, I drive over with three cops behind me. I invite them in and then I buy my weed. That's how it works.

Buy the books. Yeah, buy the fucking books, Dan. It is true that Taylor's opening statement does include a passage about a conversation that he had with Tim Morrison, the head of the Eurasia Desk for the National Security Council. Morrison had spoken with Trump who said that quote, he was he was not asking for a quid pro quo. But Trump did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say that he he's opening investigations of Biden in the 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do it himself. Right. Right. Right. See. So yes, I guess that Trump did technically say that he didn't want a quid pro quo, but then he did go on to describe the quo he was expecting. Right. Right. Right. Right. I see now

you have to say quid pro. It's like, it's like fucking Beetlejuice. You have to say it three times, otherwise it doesn't count. Exactly. You know, if Trump doesn't say it three times, then it's not quid pro quo. Nope. It's very hard to read this opening statement and get the impression that there was not a quid pro quo going on. You could read it and take the parts that say there was no quid pro quo, but those parts aren't Taylor's words. Those are him repeating that that came from Trump and also that he clearly doesn't believe that statement that was coming to him. And the evidence he indicates he's providing tends to contradict those people's statements that there wasn't. Right. Right. Okay. So I am offering, actually, I am withholding aid

that I have promised you in order for you to do something that I would like you to do. Yeah. And then when you do that, I will give you that aid. I don't understand where the problem is. No, I don't see. You said it wasn't a quid pro quo. It's not a big deal. No, it was an exchange of ideas. Since that testimony itself is private at the point when I was getting this episode ready, I believe it still is. It's very hard to know precisely what he told those committees. But if this opening statement is any indication, it was very likely some fucking damning stuff. Oh, yeah. Just from this one person in this opening statement, you have multiple name people like Volcker, Sundland, among other people who had direct conversations with Trump about this situation.

Just from this, there's a clear roadmap to an investigation, the people you need to ask questions of people you need to get under oath. And if I were Alex, I would be seriously, seriously thinking about turning on Trump right now. Yeah, they now is the time. Nope, not gonna do it ever has been. I mean, it's been for a while now, but just strategically as a propagandist, you're about to enter an area where there's nothing you can do. Right. This is going to be a disaster. And good luck. It doesn't look good. But look, man, that's just assuming that this opening statement was real. There's a there's a possibility. I did not expect that there's a possibility that Alex is going to discuss here that this is all fake. Okay, you can tell shift wrote this latest statement

this guy put out. I mean, it's so obvious. It's a redo of the fake letter that shift read effect. Let's cue that up shift reading the fake letter that was supposedly the fake transcript between the Ukrainian president and Trump. Remember that? Remember that? So last month, Adam shift read what you might call a parody version of the rough transcript of the phone call that Trump had was Alensky, where which he kind of meant it to just heighten the mobster qualities of the conversation while trying to maintain the essence of what Trump said. Some may call that a boneheaded move. But others might think it's a worthwhile strategy to attempt to creatively make the point you would otherwise be trying to make dryly. Yeah, I have no opinion on the matter other than that when I

first heard about shift doing that, I knew immediately that Alex would pretend that he was claiming that he was reading the actual transcript. He said that it said that he was going to lay out quote the essence of what the president communicates. You have to be an idiot or a shameless propagandist to try and claim that he was trying to pass that off as a real document about both. Yeah, and that's why Alex is doing that. That's a big it's a big piece of his or like Trump defense is like, she has tried to pass off this fake document as real. He should be hung up. Sure. It's a mess. So we get through that little segment and Alex gets to some real serious news, or at least he starts teasing real serious news. Trump is trying to

end major wars trying to win a trade war with China, trying to stabilize our economy. And trying to reboot the American spirit. But under Trump's nose and under our noses, there's some things going on that I think you should know about. And I think that we should talk about. Sure. And we're going to do that on the other side. What's going on with the homeless? Oh, no. Oh, God, no. Yeah, you don't like to hear that. What's going on with the homeless? Oh, fuck me. It's not going to be I support the homeless and we should socialize our fucking up price. It's not going to be let's help people get access to homes. We should provide homes for people without homes. Let's discuss what the best options are for public housing for mental

health assistance for no none of that. That's behead and eat Jeff Bezos and then everybody gets a home. We don't know what his take on it is going to be at what the story is here. What is going on? Right? Right? So Alex leaves that alone and goes to break promising to get back to it later. But as soon as I heard that, I was like, this isn't going to be good. Whatever it is, whenever you hear Alex bring up a vulnerable population, you know, it's somehow going to be maligning. Yeah, you know, it's somehow going to be adding to the possibility of them being further victimized and exploited. And I'm pretty confident in saying that is the case. Yeah, but we'll get to that when he gets to it. Yeah, when he does that shit, it's like he he brings up.

He brings up something to distract from the larger issue. And then peppers it with cruelty. So people get that. Like, yeah, I get to be awful. And then they don't worry about whether or not Trump is committing all kinds of crimes. Sure. Yeah. And you know, like the the sort of dehumanization and the like, just sort of like, hey, you know, they're shitting on the streets. Yeah, that kind of mentality. It kind of leads towards like criminalizing and possibly, I don't know, rounding up. Yeah, I mean, it's I can't say it enough. People are not homeless because they failed. They're homeless because the rest of us did. Sure. That's the reality of it. But we'll get to we'll get to some of that stuff in a moment, because Alex goes to break and he comes back and he is in a real weird

mode. I'm your host Alex Jones and we're live broadcasting worldwide. There's a couple of really important things I want to let you know. I am aware of information going on inside the Trump campaign that is very, very dangerous and very, very scary to the president to this country and to all of you watching and listening out there. You may have noticed that to Brad Parscale earlier this week had a huge lavish cover story in the Sunday New York Times about what a wonderful person he is and what a genius he is. Well, there's some interesting things going on with Brad Parscale that I'm going to reveal later on the broadcast today. Okay, he doesn't. There's an interesting thing about Alex's relationship with the Trump administration

that I'm starting to notice. There's a trend where he seems to keep finding out about how certain members of the team are evil and working against the resurgence of Americana. A lot of this falls squarely into the genre of what you might tend to see in authoritarian systems, where the media bootlickers constantly dwell on palace intrigue, where the storm of suspicion and accusation is always raging, threatening those who don't appear to be loyal enough to the leader. With Alex, I'm starting to notice a slightly different character to his particular type of palace intrigue, namely that all the people he seems to think are threats within the administration are specifically people who apparently don't like Alex enough. Yeah,

we saw this with generals McMaster and Mattis, who Alex said were globalist infiltrators, largely because he felt like they were trying to stop Trump from reading info wars, which was how Alex communicated direct messages to Trump, which is weird on its own. Yeah, he had similar problems with the former chief of staff Reince Priebus. And now the crosshairs are fixed on Brad Parscale. It should be mentioned that Alex has recently complained about how he saw a video where Parscale was asked about Alex Jones and replied who is Alex Jones. So it's kind of hard to hear Alex now uncovering some kind of scary and dangerous information about Parscale and not thinking maybe his bruised ego is somehow involved. That doesn't sound right.

This dude really wants to get back on Facebook, and he's willing to wage public demonization campaigns against essential personnel in Trump's administration in order to get there, which is kind of funny on one level, but really just sad. It's very sad. It's very sad. Very sad. He really wants to get back on Facebook. Yeah, it seems and it's almost odd now in the context of the testimony from Zuckerberg yesterday that he's not back on Facebook. Yeah, that doesn't give a shit. He doesn't. He's clearly happy to watch the fucking world burn. So put it back on. Yeah, it is strange. It is strange. Yeah. But you know what, Brad Parscale, whatever your Alex might be saying about him, it appears that Alex doesn't think he's evil. Nothing against Brad Parscale,

but quite frankly, the man is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and is a serious weak link. So he's dumb, I guess. Man, none of you are. So Alex doesn't get to talking about what is dangerous and scary information about Brad Parscale is on this episode, but he does tease that he has a huge guest coming up on Friday. And later in the show, he does sort of connect these two things that this guest has some information about Parscale and the Trump campaign. And I would say that this next clip is really Alex overselling Friday's show and his guest that he's going to have. Okay, because Alex seems to think that he's going to get killed over this interview. Okay. And again, I've probably gotten butterflies

10 times the 25 years I've been on air. When I had Donald Trump coming on the show, I did not get butterflies. I got sick. I get butterflies when I think about the guest we're going to have Friday. It's a big guess. Joe Rogan had Edward Snowden on yesterday, but they released a few hours ago. That's great. It's posted up on m4wars.com. That's a big guess. Not as big as Julian Assange would be. That's also a dangerous guess. So I was hat tip. It's talking to Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That big landed fish. This is a really important big interview. And it's an emergency message to the president. And I know my phones are getting listened to. So it's the kind of interview where I'm looking

under my car literally now for bombs when I drive to work in the morning and I've never done that before. So we got a big interview coming up Friday in the second hour is where it's scheduled live and you're going to want to tune into this. And if something happens to me, it's the interview still going to go out. Okay. Folks know, by the way, I don't hype stuff. I just tell you how big something isn't straight up deliver. Okay. He says that it's going to be live, but now he's worried that someone's going to try and kill him before then. Yeah, only make this interview larger. I don't think anybody would do that. Well, he did find an IT guy named Ted Snowden. So I mean, it's basically the same word. Yeah, Tedward Snowden, Jordan, the same thing. If I

know one thing in this life, it's that that this guest Alex has come up on Friday is going to be a real let down. He does later, like I said, give a few clues about who it is saying that it has to do with the Trump campaign and Brad Pascal. So in a normal world, that should narrow things down. But because this is Alex, it could still literally be anybody. Yeah, I don't have any idea. Here are some of my guesses by who I think it could be. Sure. Yeah. If he weren't in custody, I would say that it could be Julian Assange. Rogan, like Alex said, had snowed in on so I could see Alex trying to one up him and Assange outside of being in custody is not above going on info wars. No, absolutely not. He may have been a few years ago. Yeah, there was a time that time has passed.

I was trying to think of like who a big name Alex could get who's in the Trump orbit and he could pretend is a danger for him to have on. And I just couldn't think of anyone really like Roger Stone coming on is only a danger to Roger's gag order at this point. I thought it could be Steve Bannon for a second. But Alex would could never pull that off after he spent so much time in the past calling Steve a traitor and possibly a globalist. Plus, Bannon just started a podcast called War Room. So Alex can't be happy about that clear infringement of Owen Schreuer's copyright. Owen Schreuer's got a cease and desist letter written up. Yeah, that could be a few coming up. I thought it might be possible. This is a place where he could have a return of Steve Pechenik.

After their unceremonious falling out, I thought they'd probably never speak again. But I checked in on it and Steve's YouTube channel has been coming along and he's gathering an audience, which I think that Alex might be interested in trying to poach. And I could see him trying to put water under the bridge and say like, yeah, you know, he was wrong about the Las Vegas shooting, but he's one of the greatest ever state department official blah, blah, blah. He's a patriot. I will give up literally anything to get 1000 more listeners. I could I could see him trying to rehab Steve. Yeah, for sure. Possible. He has no principle. It's unlikely. But I think, you know, of the people who I see as in people who would return an email. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It might, you know, if I hadn't listened to as much Alex as I have, I might be excited to find out who his guest is. But unfortunately, I still remember how in 2013, he teased that he had the biggest guest ever coming on later in the week. And it turned out to be the Obama phone lady. So I do not know where Alex is. Like this is a get that one. That one was brutal. Yeah, that one, because I was, we were both excited. We were both excited. And then when it turned out to be the Obama phone lady, that was crushing. It was that changed me. So Jordan, here's a random list of people that I think it might be. And I'm mostly putting this list out there in case it's one of them. So I look like a profit, throw them all at the wall. John Voight, Turkish Prime Minister

Erdogan. Yes, Joey Salads, the congressional candidate who peed in his own mouth. That really could be Mel Gibson, Ted Kaczynski, John McAfee. I think that one might be that one could that could be like a real front runner. Is he still trapped on his island? I have no idea. We'll back up to it at this point. Anthony Scaramucci. That's possible. He talks a lot of shit. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And just for long shot points, Bubba Sparks, Bubba Sparks. You're going to give it Bubba Sparks a chance? I don't know. All right. If I'm a batten man, that's 225 to one odds. I will give that to you. I'm just putting a dollar on that. Alex's show is so profoundly disappointing these days that it's very hard to hear something like

what he's doing. Like they're going to put a bomb under my car because I'm doing this interview. It's hard not to get a little excited about who that could be, the mystery. But I'm going to bet just about everything I own that this is going to be a fucking zero. You know what? I am actually going to put the odds that it is the Obama phone lady again at two to one. I consider that bad. Consider that possibility as well. That bad. Yeah. So it turns out we get right back to the news about the people experiencing homelessness and Alex. This is stupid. No, it's good. Wires and our brains, big corporations putting them in there and laughing that the AI will take us over. They're hiding it in plain view. Elon Musk

and it'll soon take you over with his eyes all jacked, his pupils all huge. I mean, he's on freaking five hits of LSD or has he already got a brain chip? They've already are wired up. And let me tell you something. I did some digging this morning right before we went live. The company that's in Austin, wait for it, is doing it through a UN connected grant is microchipping the homeless in Austin. They've already done it in Mexico and in Guatemala. And now it's here. So my first thought about this is that it seems strange how every nefarious plot that the globalists try and pull off seems centralized in the exact same area Alex lives in. It is kind of suspicious. It just keeps coming up over and over again.

Are these weird things? Alex keeps rail like he rails about just keep happening in Austin. Yeah, it's almost doesn't seem likely. It's almost fictional. Like it's almost like a how geographical proximity bias. It's like how so many of Stephen King's novels are set in Maine. Yeah, there's a little bit of that kind of feel to it. Yeah, statistically, it doesn't make sense how this keeps happening. Austin is the center of the universe, actually. Plus, if you were the globalist near do wells, and you have this crusading hero named Alex Jones, who's super good at digging into things that keeps uncovering your plots in his home city of Austin, feels like you might move your operation somewhere else. Just go to Cincinnati. Alex doesn't give a

shit about Cincinnati. You can do whatever you want there. Just go to go to Cincinnati globalists. Cincinnati's nice. As for the actual story Alex is talking about in a very strange twist, he's not just making stuff up. There is an organization that's working with people experiencing homelessness that will allow them to have an implantable form of identification. The argument goes like this. In order to access many of the benefits that these folks depend on to survive and try and get their life back in order. People experiencing homelessness need identification documents. However, these same people are precisely the ones whose life circumstances are such that they may have the worst ability to have secure places to store these documents. Yeah, what are

they going to fucking carry around three ring binders with them everywhere? Totally. Yeah. If you live on the street or out of the backpack, you're one accident or a fight or a mugging away from losing your social security card, for example. Right. And that, you know, that could be a huge problem. That's that. And that's not even considering the possibility that just living in the elements might destroy your identification card without any incident or accident. Yeah. This leads to people in that situation having to be in a constant state of reapplying for these documents, which becomes an awful cycle to you end up in. And you have to pay fees every single time. Yeah. And you can only imagine what kind of like that would cause a horrible psychological experience

of feeling trapped and unable to get to the next step or having to constantly reset. Right. These sorts of barriers are a frustrating part of life for people in these circumstances. And the goal, the problems like this one in Austin called my pass have is to eliminate some of those barriers so people can have a better chance of getting back to having a secure life. Right. I don't know how I feel about this program as a whole. Obviously, I support the goal behind it and anything that can be done to help people experiencing homelessness and that is developed with their input is something that is worth being explored. There are some concerns you can have about data security, but the early trials of this program have shown a lot of promise. And part of

that is by using blockchain technology in order to service these chips. Yeah. So, you know, the control of the data is entirely under the control of the individual. Right. Like if they need to prove a certain form of like a medical identification, they can allow those people only to have access to that medical information. Right. You know, there is some compartmentalization of the data through the blockchain that is allowed, which is actually, it's very interesting the way they're trying to set this up. Yeah. And like I said, it shows some early promise on that front. If those sorts of considerations are adequately taken into account, and it's shown to help the community, it's meant to help, then I don't see a good argument for being against this.

Whatever your position is on the issue, one thing that's important to point out is that Alex is presenting this like it's breaking news. And that's because Mike Adams just ran a story about this on natural news that Alex read, which is now he's acting like sound the alarm, they're chipping the homeless. Yeah. But don't get it twisted. This is not news. I found stories about the beginning of this program dating back to April 2018. The Wall Street Journal covered it on June 26, 2018. Harvard's DataSmart blog ran a piece about it on September 13, 2018. The Austin American statesman covered a new grant for the program back on August 2, 2019. Local news in Austin, KXAN covered the program on July 31, 2019. This isn't something that's been like, you know, that's just

been developed in secret. It's not hidden in plain sight. It's a program that aims to alleviate the often under-recognized hassles of experiencing homelessness, which many outlets have covered and discussed for a year and a half now. Alex's team is just super bad at news. So they had no idea that this microchipping program was happening in the city that they live in and operate out of. This is just embarrassing stuff. Like the severity of like, ah, this right away, we've cracked the case on this is is a mask that's covering. We didn't know about this for a year and a half. Right. And it should be a marquee issue for them. Like this should be squarely in their wheelhouse. This should be something they've been talking about for a year and a half at least. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's literally the way that he describes the mark of the beast being carried out. So if you were at all paying attention to news that is not coming from Mike Adams, especially if it's local news in Austin, you should definitely have been aware of it. It suggests a really bad news diet. Considering all sorts of other places have been very openly and Dan, were any of those on Drudge? No, any of those articles? I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Drudge is that's a good point. His his choices. So anyway, Alex is just trying to victimize the homeless community. And one of the things that this achieves is dis a disallow them to possibly have a better chance of breaking out of the cycle of needing to reapply for identification in order to

get the ball rolling. Right. That's one thing. Keep them trapped in the system that they're trapped in which Alex is whether or not he's actively and actually in favor of that, that's the function of what he's supporting. And I would assume based on everything I know about him, he's pretty much actively supporting destroying them. Well, that's the other part of it is now you introduce the idea that the you know, his conception of people who have chips in them is that the AI can take over them or something like that. So if you now introduce the trust anybody with a chip in them, right? Can't trust the homeless. Basically, not even people anymore. Yeah, they're a cyborg. Yeah, they're not. They're minions of the globalist. Why even bother with

them? They're foot soldiers. It's crushingly dehumanizing to people who are in a very vulnerable state in life because of their circumstances. And the idea that you would want to approach that situation and social problem and and look at it like let's make it worse for them. Right. Let's make people more suspicious and scared of them as opposed to how can we work together to rise people out of this. We could end homelessness or we could end the homeless. Those are the two options is a good way to put it is choosing the second one or at least at least it seems like he prefers that approach. And that's profoundly fucked up. So we're done with that. Alex talks about this quite a bit, but I'm putting that baby to bed. What he's talking about is complete

bullshit. And I don't care to hear him say it over and over again. So Alex gets into talking about fluoride here. And that's also kind of boring. But I wanted to play this because I think that this is an interesting rare good ad pivot on Alex's part. Okay, he's in the middle of talking about fluoride bullshit. Yeah. And through the actual content he weaves into an ad as opposed to that like really clunky briefly. Yeah, like that sort of thing. This is actually kind of smooth. Okay, you wonder why everybody's so dumb and looks like zombies and are so damn ugly. It's the fluoride. They take out the good halogen, the iodine, they put the bad one in and I get up here and sensationally lay it all out with the government documents, the periodic table,

and try to launch a movement against it. So that people understanding the fluoride out, get the good iodine in. And yes, we sell the best cleanest, best iodine out there, a symbiotic relationship, fund the info war, and get the best x to the best x three x three is great for kids. See, because the reason that I think that's a little smoother is because it is just normal content of the show that starts to get defensive. And then while he's still in the same sentence, there's there is an A to B that goes in that that gets to like a before you know what you're in the middle of an ad. Right, right, right. It's how he should be doing this. It's almost a little scarier because on some level it is like, well, that's the way you hide this

battery. Yeah, yeah, he wasn't even bothering to try and hide. I mean, to a to a certain extent, you could imagine him manufacturing stories totally that would allow him to talk about each specific product. I hate to say this, Jordan, but I kind of do imagine that. Yeah, well, I hate to say this, Jordan, but I think I've demonstrated that a little bit in the past. No, I mean, I mean, more specifically like that line by line, like going down like, oh, the fluoride takes away iodine, right? It makes you dumb and stupid and ugly. Yeah, the dogs take away your energy and here's, you know, like that whole thing. Yeah, it could, if he were smart, it could lead to much better planned shows where he's like, all right, so the break is at 16 of

the hour. So by minute 14 of the hour, I've got to be in the middle of a rant about fluoride. Yeah. And I need to be able to, you know, sort of smoothly weave this along and make it, make it appear hidden. Right. And maybe, well, I don't know, it's what he should have been doing all along. Yeah, it'd be a smart move. So this briefly. Yeah, no kidding. We got good iodine. So that goes to commercial. He starts pitching the iodine stuff. It goes to commercial and then Alex has a weird commercial for his iodine once it goes to commercial. And I don't, I don't cover the commercials these days too much because they're mostly like just Alex for his own, please buy my shit. But this one I think was a little bit worth checking in on. Again, I'm not talking down to

the info wars audience, but I've been banging my head against a wall for a long time on this. And I'm talking about fluoride and I'm talking about iodine. Now, if you have a boat, a motorboat, let's say an old glass tron boat, and you want to take it on the lake, you've got to have a lake to put it in. If you're a human being, you've got to have oxygen to live. Okay, it's the same thing. Well, ladies and gentlemen, the bad halogen is fluoride. That's why in every western nation, they put it in the water. They're going to teach us Christians lay down and die. The chai comms don't put it in the water. They'd execute you if you did that. They put iodine in the water because it's the good halogen and increases fertility and lifespan and intelligence and everything else.

So this is a like a string of commercials that he's doing where he's not condescending to his audience. Yeah, that's that is a weird sort of ad campaign. Yeah, I'm not talking down to you. I own a chainsaw. You need water for a boat. Right, right. That was one of the weirder ads I think I've ever heard. You don't hear like professional ad people going like, let's put in an overly complicated analogy that doesn't actually make any sense if you think about it. No, no, it's not. It's not good. And actually, I want to talk about why it's not good. Okay. So one thing that's important here is that that metaphor does not work. Comparing a human's need for oxygen to a boat's need for water kind of works. Like we need to be in an oxygen rich environment to survive and a boat

needs to be in water to do what it's supposed to do as a boat. But I think a submarine would be a better choice for Alex in terms of the parallels. Yeah, since if a boat is surrounded by water, it's not going to run very well, but I'm just nitpicking. Sure, sure, sure, sure. As for the metaphor working for iodine in the body, that's where things fall apart. We do need iodine, like, you know, to live, but we don't need to live in an atmosphere that's iodine rich. We just need to take a little bit of it for our bodies to function properly. I would say as metaphor should have been that it's like the fuel that the boat needs to run. But even that isn't very fair. Food is food. That's the fuel for us. Iodine is a mineral that helps the body work well. It would be like antifreeze.

Yeah, or maybe the piston lube or something. I can see you. I could probably come up with a better example, but I'm not a machine guy. Let's just go with oil. Anyway, I'm being, I'm being nitpicky here. I don't, that's all secondary. Right. There's a more important issue and has to do with this stuff about China and all that. My first comment is to say that the globe, him saying that the globalist put fluoride in the water in the west to attack Christians is maybe making his Christian identity ideas a little bit too over. That is not a dog whistle. That's a fucking siren. Keep in mind that this is how Alex is trying to market his products. I don't feel like his ad reads used to be nearly that blunt. I think that that signals like I'm

trying to sell to a specific audience. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. He could, however, have just said N word, N word, N word, N word, please buy iodine. It could basically the same maybe keep that thought for later. All right. I hate to say. So my first glaring problem with the content of what he's talking about is that most of Europe doesn't add fluoride to their water. Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, none of them practice fluoridation. There are plenty of Christians in those countries and many of them are considered parts of what most people think of as the West, which is a problem for Alex's narrative that he's selling about. They put fluoride in to teach us Christians to lay down and die. See, that's where

you're missing it. They put fluoride in all the holy water in Europe. That's how they weed them out. All right. Yeah. As for China and fluoridation, Alex is correct that they don't add fluoride to the water there, but he's missing out on some important context. China and India both don't add fluoride to the water partially because they exist geographically on top of a gigantic belt of naturally occurring fluoride. This belt contains 85 million tons of fluoride and it has the expected effect of making their water supplies naturally high in fluoride. There'd be no point in adding fluoride to their water since the naturally occurring levels are often higher than any place in the United States even after we've added fluoride to the water. This is a public health

problem that's caused increased rates of dental fluorosis and even fluoride toxicity in these parts of the world. It's a very heavily discussed issue and anybody who knows anything about the real issues in the world related to fluoride would understand this clearly. All Alex knows is that China doesn't add fluoride to their water and that's all he needs to know. Bada bing, bada boom, let's make a narrative out of it. I can't find any information concretely about China adding iodine to their water, but they did pass regulations in 1995 about adding iodine to salt to address the high prevalence of iodine deficiency in the population. While the US hasn't made a law about it, we've been adding iodine to table salt since 1924 and current estimates say about 70% of all

salt sold in the United States is iodized. That number would probably be higher, but we don't have as big of an iodine deficiency problem as China did, most likely due to varying iodine levels in each country's natural water supplies. Who cares? So what you're saying is the globalists went back in time and put all the fluoride in the earth in order to get rid of the Chinese? I guess Alex could make that argument, which would be interesting, like some sort of time traveling patriot went. Yeah, I think so. I think the globalists are hiding fluoride under the ground in order to take down the east. There is no bridge that's too far for Alex to go at this point. Why not just sell that? You understand there are real world issues that explain a lot of

this stuff that Alex is trying to pass off as like, this is an attempt to attack the west through Florida. Read a little Alex. I'm kind of mad that he hasn't insisted that the globalists have perfected time travel yet. He should be there by now. I think it's implied that he does believe. My point here, Jordan, is that Alex is very stupid. His stupidity carries over even into his ads, which are now starting to sound a little bit like an open appeal to white Christian victim hood narrative. Right, right, right. Way more than normal. Yeah, I think he's his new line of info wars branded hoods. That's not good. This indicates to me a bit of a lack of interest in any other demographics, which kind of makes sense. Like when you target your marketing that selectively,

it's not a good sign for your business because you're alienating people who are outside of that possible market. Yeah, when you're doing that while you're also running and everything must go sale, it kind of feels like you're circling the drain. When you're really going niche with it, trying to empty your warehouse so you can theoretically make it longer. Yeah, I mean, I guess in 2019, it wouldn't surprise me if the only people buying his shit were white nationalists anyways. So why even bother? Like, is it really a niche audience or is it just his audience? You know what I'm saying? Well, I understand that. And I think that we've sort of touched on that over the course of doing this show. It's like, in the same way that that like

sort of content led hidden ad is what he should have been doing all along. This is what he should have been doing all along. Of course, he should be coding all of his marketing messages. But I believe that in the past, he's felt like I have a broader appeal than I do trying to yeah, you know, you imagine you're casting this wide net and getting as many people as possible. And now the pretense has kind of fallen. At least these are the indications that I start to get like you wouldn't be throwing that rambling about Christians being under attack in the commercial. Yeah, it feels that way. And maybe I've missed a number of commercials he's done in the past where he has been that overt. But I don't remember hearing a lot of that. It

struck me even as a little bit surprising. I can see him previously, like back when he was on Facebook and shit, having to pretend to cast a wide net, you know, in order to in order to block the perception that he is only speaking to white nationalists, even though he knows he's only speaking to white nationalists, he still has to pretend like he doesn't in order for people to think that he's a more mainstream. There's a necessary wink. Now that he's off Facebook, you can just be like, fuck it. We're all white nationalists here, guys. Let's let's put our ropes on and go for it. Yeah. So I don't know. And you know, this sort of news headline run down only seems to reinforce that sort of feeling. Tierney 2.0 proud boys sentenced to four years

in prison for defending themselves from anti attack. Oh boy. Alex and his ilk can make excuses for their beloved fascist street gang all they want. But in doing so, all they do is reveal what they really support. Alex can get on his show and hear and report the news. These two proud boys who are being sent to jail after being found guilty of attempted gang assault and rioting stemming from a brawl in New York last October that took place after their leader Gavin McGinnis gave a speech. He can say all the, you know, that all they did was defend themselves from an antifa attack. But that isn't true. And if he was in any way interested in reality, you would know that. Alex is operating off one video that was widely circulated by the right wing media,

which appeared to show one of the victims of the beating throwing a water bottle at the proud boys. And thus the argument goes, the proud boys were just defending themselves. Antifa started it. Subsequent videos have come to the surface that show a very different story. There is a water bottle thrown, but the person who throws it is doing so in response to one of the proud boys literally charging at them with his fist cocked back. These aren't children. One of the men who was sentenced is 39 years old. And he joined a group where the only way to get in is to name serials while the gang punches you. Yeah, I'm kind of sick of the bullshit. So I'm just going to put this simply. The proud boys is an organization that is based in violence. Their initiation ritual

is based on a mock jumping in ceremony. Gavin created the gang with a tiered structure of membership where the only way to get to the fourth level of initiation is to get into a violent confrontation with Antifa. From the second you join with the proud boys, and as you work your way up the ranks, everything is centered around either implied or real political and physical violence. If Antifa had a leader who had said specifically that they created this group as a way of getting into fights against people they're politically disagreeing with and made submitting to an active group violence necessary to join and created a hierarchy ladder that required violence to climb, I promise you I would not find that acceptable, even if I completely agreed with what they stood for

and were working for. In the case of Gavin and the proud boys, I find what they stand for repulsive and their entire structure is indistinguishable from a gang. It's a real lame gang mostly centered around misplaced feelings of victimhood, but it's a gang nonetheless. Anyone carrying water for the proud boys in 2019 knows exactly what they're doing. They want groups of extremely right-wing white men to have free reign to assault people they politically disagree with. That is what Alex wants, and that is why he's presenting their incarceration as tyranny 2.0. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's very clear now, Make America Great Again is about when we used to always have roving gangs of white men hurting and murdering people that they didn't like. Defending the proud

boys who got sentenced for this is only protecting that. That's the only thing you're doing. It was really weird. Or you're dumb, or you're dumb and you've fallen for the right-wing line. And if Alex is that stupid, then he has no business being a commentator. No, of course not. But I'm trying to be overly generous. Right, right, right. I could see that as someone thinking that and not actually wanting roving gangs of white dudes to be able to assault whoever they want. Right. Alex, if that were true for him, he needs to get off air because he is so stupid and so unable to present information that what he is doing is accidentally misleading literally everybody who listens to his show. Well, you know, I know, I know he's not that stupid, and I know he knows

what's going on because that clip of the guy throwing the water bottle, obviously the right-wing edited it. What they did was they started the clip with Peter Griffin running over the bottom of Boston Marysong. So you know, it was totally that. They know. I'll be honest. Right. I was trying to listen to you and I agree with what you're saying, but I'm very self-conscious that I've talked about that Bone Thugs and Phil Collins. You're going to be okay. Dan, you're going to be okay. It's going to haunt me. You like this song. You can talk about the same song. And I forget about liking it. I know. It's fine. We all rediscover passion. I might be a huge Phil Collins fan. I really wish you weren't. Easy Lover is a great song. I know. I know. Easy Lover. We've got to get you out of here.

What are you a dad in the 80s? What is happening? You want to get me out of the house? Get Phil Collins to come to town. I'll go to a Phil Collins show. Have it at Wrigley Field. For sure. All right. So that's not the only headline Alex wants to talk about. She's got another big story that he wants to. He doesn't really talk about this too much, but it's definitely like a touchstone that he's like, yeah, look at this. Look at this. There's also folks trying to pass laws banning the word bitch. Oh, what about this? Man, check West is going to be fucked. If you ban bitch, check West is done for. Yeah. No one is trying to ban the word bitch. Actually, that's not true. There's one person who is a random person in Massachusetts. All right. In the state

houses in Massachusetts, Representative Dan Hunt introduced this bill that would outlaw the b word, but it wasn't because he was trying to censor people or overturn free speech as Alex and most of the right wing media would have you believe it's because he was following Massachusetts law. How dare you? Massachusetts has what's known as the right of free petition that's built into the state constitution and actually predates the founding of the United States, which allows citizens to send bills to their representatives to be introduced. It's the responsibility of state reps to give their constituents a fair hearing in the state government. And that's exactly what happened here. An unnamed Massachusetts resident sent Dan Hunt a bill to introduce that would

outlaw the use of the word bitch. And he did what he was supposed to do since he represents that person. According to the Guardian, at least 6,000 bills get introduced through the right of free petition in Massachusetts every year. This is a kind of a perfect example of why Alex Jones fucking sucks. It's so interesting how Massachusetts has this right of free petition. Yeah, I have never heard of that before. Why do I not know about that? And if I were one of his listeners, I would probably get a lot out of learning about how and why they're the only state in the country whose state government works that way. There's a lot of opportunity for some much needed civics education here. It is a perfect way in for that. Yeah, go down that direction. Yeah, Alex could talk about

how this quirk of Massachusetts law has allowed real direct action to take place. Like how in 2013, an eight year old kid was pushing for a bill to put restrictions on shark finning. Or Alex could go the opposite direction and talk about how in 2011, someone tried to request their representative do something about how football games were preempting jeopardy. It's the yin and the yang of people actually having a voice. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realize I know why I don't know about this. How many of how many of those they do not want people to know about how many of those 6,000 petitions are fuck Dave. This guy's an asshole. If you can go, you can go on change.org and see exactly what people would do if everybody knew about this circumstance. Yeah, I mean,

a lot of people do in Massachusetts. It's just maybe not known. If you live in Massachusetts, I want you to send a bill to your representative, make knowledge fight the state podcast. I lived in Boston for a number of years in Cambridge. Yeah, give me the key to the city. Let's love it. Yeah. Knowledge fight is your new state podcast and Dan gets the key to Boston. No, no, no, no, no. What? We don't need to be the official state podcast, but I would like a parade. All right. We can do that. Listeners in Massachusetts. Give us a parade. So like this is this is the sort of thing. I mean, great to maybe we're abusing the system a little bit here, but there's a lot that Alex could bring to the conversation to be like,

what is behind this clickbait story? Right? This is interesting. This is how civics works in one of the great states in our country. And instead, he just ignores all of that. He doesn't even look at the issue at all. He just sees a headline about someone trying to outlaw the word bitch, and he just takes it says good enough and builds an outrage cycle about how they're trying to suppress free speech and the globalist to want to control how you talk. It's pathetic and trivial. It's pointless to even critique because what he's doing is so uninspired, so transparent, except of the completely hopelessly lost among his audience. What makes it so insanely dumb is to imagine that what he's saying like actually is true. Like imagine if he's right. Imagine that

someone in the Massachusetts State House was trying to ban the word bitch. Who gives a shit? That bill would never pass. Yeah, no kidding. And even if it did, the Massachusetts ACLU, who Alex hates, would get it struck down so fast. This is just right wing outrage clickbait, pure and simple. And when you really get down to it, that's most of what Alex has left. And it's sad. That's most of what they all have left. Right. But Alex, you know, he was bigger than this. Yeah, there was a time. Or at least he pretended to be bigger than this. I mean, I suppose it's just too, too often. I mean, it's all of right wing media now because reality is starkly against them. You know, they have set themselves so fucking headstrong against

the concept of reality itself that what else do they have? They can't talk about a story. They have to make it up. I think I think it's one of those things where you had like a really good, not a good, but you had a sustainable balance between these con these right wing con folk. Yeah. And the rest of the world, you just wanted to, you know, move forward. Right. It was a kind of, you know, adversarial like, all right, they flew too close to the sun. They took the game too high of a level where it's just like, everyone is now like, okay, you're a problem. Could have flown under the radar for quite a while. Really could have. It's like, if you're right, you know, you got a job, you can steal like $10 a day. Easy. Yeah, if you try and steal 100 in one day,

you'll get caught. Yeah, you wait 10 spread it out over 10 days. You can steal $100 easy. No one's going to notice. Oh, yeah. I'm not sure if this works at every workplace, but you get the theme. Like they could have kept stealing $10 a day, but they wanted that hundred. Right. And this is the consequence of it. I mean, it's the, it's the one less job conundrum, you know, you're, you're running the, the, you're robbing banks, you know, you're not going for the vault. You're just going for the cash. You're doing great. You do the one big job and then you're fucked. That's how it goes. Yeah. So, you know, this isn't the only free speech issue that Alex has to talk about here. He's got another headline. So here's a short clip of the video that was shot by the person that

complained. And, and more, and more importantly, it might have been the end where we don't get to hear it. It's just, it's too dangerous for us, evil Americans, once the bastion of free speech. And so these guys are walking along together, saying the verboten word, but a good citizen caught it. There's a big investigation. Everyone's panicking in fear right now at the university. Here it is. Well, this is just incredible. We might as well just end the planet at this point. And of course, these are the same universities banning Halloween parties because someone might get offended. But don't worry, the ADL came out and said the okay symbol that law enforcement

uses, that divers use, that the International Sign Language Association's used for over 100 years. All the times Obama did this, well, it's okay. The ADL says he can do it. You just can't do it. Okay. And of course, in the NBA, there's a popular clothing line with the three-point symbol. It's okay. Black guys wear it. But if the ADL decides you're going to lose your bank accounts, you're going to go to jail because, you know, it's, there are bosses and the Southern Property Law Center is our boss as well. So men arrested for speech in Connecticut. They were arrested for speech. So this is a case where a couple of white students were repeatedly yelling the N word on the campus of Yukon outside student dorms.

While it's not illegal to say the N word, I do think there's a good reason why action had to be taken here. For one, this was on campus property and it happened at night and in such a public manner that someone in one of the buildings taped it. This does create an environment where if you're a black student in one of those dorms, it would be hard to imagine that it would not, like it not making you feel unsafe. It would make you feel unwelcome. And it's, it doesn't even, it doesn't even need to be the N word specific. If you are, if they were out there just screaming blood, blood, blood, it's the same. You'd be like, no, we got to get you the fuck out of here. Well, yeah, you know, and when you add the,

the racial element to it, it doesn't have to be the N word, but it could be some other, you know, term or, yeah, it's the, it's the factor of it that is less the word itself and the behavior. The way that you're doing it, it is a threat. You are threatening people. Just exercising free speech. The word is bad. The behavior is the problem, the biggest problem. The word is a big problem too. But if you're the school administrators, you have to do something. If you don't do anything, you're sending the message that you run a school where this kind of thing is acceptable and making people feel unwelcome because of their race is okay. It has a very dangerous normalizing effect to just let students run around campus yelling

the N word from a school admin perspective. The real options here either kick them out of school or enforce some kind of punishment and hope that they learn from their mistake. These kids were charged with ridicule based on race, which is a crime in Connecticut. According to their general statutes in Connecticut, the law, the punishment for this is a fine of up to $50 or 30 days in prison. These kids will definitely not get any jail time for this. So if I had to bet, I would say that they're going to end up with a $50 fine. This is really actually what I think and maybe I'm wrong on this. I'm willing to be told that I'm wrong. But I kind of feel like this is a good process for dealing with a poor in behavior like this, particularly in a college setting.

There needs to be a punishment, but it shouldn't be overly harsh. And the door needs to be open for them to learn about why they did this thing and why it's awful. So when you have a punishment like this, it's a negative reinforcement. And it's good. That's good. And it also opens up the possibility of them speaking to people who are I have a different perspective from them. Right, right, right. And it allows for a conversation with them, hopefully, to become aware of why this is like why people take this seriously. It is a healthy process that that can go on. And that process is completely disrupted by people like Alex and all this outrage driven right wing media. Because of their framing of the case, people like Alex have created the illusion that these

two kids are involved in a very important free speech case. If they're so inclined, these kids could choose to learn no lesson from this because of the exposure that they're getting and take their metric tons of free publicity and turn it into a little grift. Yep. In essence, what the right wing media does is create a countervailing force against the process of growth that could run its course without people like Alex getting involved. It's not to say that these kids are going to do this, but they could, you know, start a go fund me for their $50 fines and end up raising $50,000. You know, I'm not saying they're going to do that, but you could easily see like, Oh, let's fucking capitalize on this. Right, right, right. That sort of attention and

coverage that they're getting from the right wing media, it gives cases like this, the possibility of another path to go down as opposed to learning. And I think that some people might say like, Yeah, you should kick them out of school. And I think in egregious examples, yeah, you probably should. Yeah. In this case, I think that you have the opportunity for some sort of reconciliation. I think that you definitely have the, this isn't, I know that they were screaming the N word, but on an examination of it, the circumstances of the case, it seemed like they were yelling other words as well that weren't like targeting black people. And we're just trying to play a game where they yell defensive words. Oh, okay. So it's like the penis game. Sure. Where two guys

just keep penis, penis, penis, you know, they keep trying to write, but like that, but they were being horribly fucking. Yeah. So the issue comes down to like, okay, given those circumstances, the effect on people who are in those dorms and affected by their behavior is not changed. Yeah. But the possibility that they could learn from this and aren't people who want to run around and try and terrorize people is still there. So you need to make it so the punishment isn't so severe that it inhibits the possibility of learning from it. Right. I don't know. I would be interested in other people's perspective on it. But from where I am looking at it, like trying to imagine how you would handle this from like, a school superintendent perspective, that seems like the

most likely to get the desired outcome that you want. Right. But I suppose I suppose my only like, what you're looking for is something that's just you want, you want something that is equally treating the problem and and that kind of stuff. And that's another thing that the right wing media is absolutely against. Right. You want to treat the problem and also honor the people who are being affected by behavior. You need to you need to balance those two things. Right. And the right wing media is like, what if instead we turn them into martyrs? Yes. That sounds great. Yeah. That sounds like a great idea. The ultimate outcome is taking those two considerations and looking for the best way forward. Right. In a possible way, like a way that is actually achievable. Right.

And this behavior from the right wing media is not particularly conducive to that. No. The right wing media is participating and protecting what is a fundamentally unjust system. And they fucking love it. I mean, it goes I mean, it runs through this like Alex saying that the proud boy is getting arrested. Yeah. Yeah. That's tyranny. That's all just it all runs the same track. Yep. And Alex doesn't care about this because of free speech. They just wants white people to be allowed to yell racial slurs and create hostile spaces for non white people. That's he doesn't think that that's a problem. Yeah, no big deal. Free speech stands. So Norm Pattis comes on at this point while Alex is getting into the story about these two students in Connecticut. Sure. And

Norm wants to be their lawyer. And in talking, no, in talking about why he wants to be the lawyer, Norm, warning, Norm uses a word that he shouldn't use. Oh, no. We're hoping the phone rings and one of these kids calls because I think this case is right for a constitutional talent. This country has always had a robust commitment to freedom of speech, even offensive speech. And the N word is one of those words with his contact driven. If a black person says to another person, yo, nigga, what up? That's fine. If I walk up to a black person and say yo, nigga, what up? That's a crime. And so what makes this word offensive is the context in which it is used. And that gives the person offended the ability to turn the honor off with

a norm norm. Whoa. Oh, okay. All right, Norm. Oh, boy. Oh, that's that's really just that's when you're trying to shoot an arrow at a bar and you just miss you'll miss to the side of the bar. Jesus. These, these, these types of white dude are just never going to fucking get it. They're just never going to get it. They just want to say the N word real bad because they're not supposed to. I hate them. It's, it's so stupid. It's very weird. It's very because I there's no need for norm to say that. No, he said the N word, like the word N word earlier in that same sentence. There's no reason for, and he totally, you know, you know, for effect, you know, for effect that he was like, well, I'm not hitting the hard R. So I'm probably fine. You know it.

You hear it in his head. You hear his thoughts come out where he's like, see, I'm genius. Right. And I mean, like, but also like this is, this is something that is so elementary and so simple that yes, most language does work as circumstantial. Yeah. Like if I come up to you and I say, give me a dollar, that's not any kind of like intimidation. But if I yell at you, give me a dollar. Yeah, exactly. Then it turns into a situation where the interaction between us has absolutely changed based on the context of what's being said and how it's being said. Absolutely. Like, are you serious? You don't understand that norm. It is funny how he's like, see, it's a context driven word. And now I'm going to use it in the precise wrong context to use this word. I would

argue that anytime it's being thrown out on Alex's show, it's a very, oh yeah, yeah, no kidding. And it's nuts. I don't think I maybe have heard. I don't know if I've heard the unword on Alex's show in the past. I am shocked that they didn't bleep that. Yeah. Well, he can't believe things. I don't know if he has a delay. Oh, that's fair. That's fair. He used to have a delay. I don't know what he's doing. He used to have a delay, but I don't know what's going on. That's incredible. Yeah, I wonder if that like could get him in FCC trouble. Like I really, I mean, if he is still broadcast on the radio, he claims to be I imagine people have sent me messages that they've heard him on a radio. Yeah, like I just I feel like I don't know. I don't know what the

I don't know what the rules are. It seems like that's pretty wild. I don't know. Coming from norm, the rules are, or in regards to norm, the rules are never say that and preferably stop speaking and practicing law for the rest of your life. It's it's wild. Jesus. So Alex suggests at this point that the entire incident might be a false flag. This whole thing probably get the fuck out. Get the that's why that's my response to that shit. No, no, you shut the fuck. You're being willfully obtuse you moron. Well, I mean, it just fits his pattern of any time there is a white person accused of anything bad. Probably right. It's probably a false flag. But seriously, norm just false flagged you then. How do we know these guys didn't just see small at something?

We have a lot of folks that do this to create fear on campuses. I'm not saying they did, but the names Mujuga. What I mean, I mean, these guys have names that don't sound like I mean, and they don't look or act like white guys either. I mean, my point is, is that could these have been false flaggers or people just trying to tease folks? False flaggers. The name he's trying to pronounce is an Albanian name. It's like muccage. Well, Albany. These people don't look or act white. Yeah. Yeah. See, holy shit, Alex. They don't look or act like that. That's a totally fine thing to say. That is a totally normal and fine thing to say that has no larger meaning whatsoever. The context of saying that

is always great, Dan. That one's a winner. How can you have this? This conversation should go in the fucking Smith's zonian as why white people are bad after Alex has his like his lawyer says the N word a couple times. He's like, these people are these people don't act white. That's banana, which implies that there is a way that white people act. Yeah, it's intrinsic. Yeah. Oh, yeah, leaving alone the entirety of like him just being like they don't look white enough. No, no, no, no. Holy shit, the layers of that are trying to unpack that are is is angering me. Yeah, I can't that if that whole thing is fucking you guys, you guys are gone when I was when people are fucking gone when I was listening to this show, like I was kind of bored at the

beginning because you know, it's like, okay, the microchipping the homeless thing, that's cruel, right, stupid, but it's right in line with your normal stuff. And then when I got to this, I was like, holy shit. Wow. This is this is unbelievably wild. You know, this is such this is such like this is two white dudes who think they're we're in safe territory. They're cool. That's that's it's the same thing. We said earlier, speak freely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this doesn't matter anymore. This is some dude coming up to me after a show and telling me like you want to hear a joke and then tossing in racial slurs in the joke because he's like, you're white, I'm white, we know how funny this is. And it's like, dude, fuck you right the fuck out of my face when Alex

got kicked off social media and YouTube and all that one of the things that I speculated was a possible outcome of it was he was going to just lean in like a lot of the stuff that might have been there subtly and under control a little bit before was just going to come up. And I mean, just even just in this episode, we see this whole goddamn thing. And Alex's ads now having more of a like this fluoride thing is about attacking Christians. Yeah, you see a little bit more of this overtness coming through. And maybe it's a combination of him being allowed to speak freely, just whatever. And then also the desperation that being off social media for this long of a time is created in him. But whatever the case like this is this is great like anybody who is like,

hey, Alex is just like a cool fun truth teller. He's entertaining. It's like, Hey, what about this stuff? I didn't know you could spell info wars with a KKK. And also remember that norm is also the guy who posted a video or a picture a meme of like three white beer cans surround. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Clucuck's Coors. Oh, man. So this guy, these are bad people. Yeah, these are truly, truly and just messed up bad like this is messed up. Yeah. So Alex has got some I want to put some computer chips in them so we can always know where they are. Alex has now at this point, Norm is gone. And Alex wants to talk about why he wants to stick around on air. And I'm so glad moments like that. My lawyer dropping N words.

I'm so glad that we've been around for as long as we have doing this show because like this would sound like oh man, that's too ambitious. If we had no idea if we didn't listen to his show. But because we do this takes on a layer of hilarity. You know, one reason I want to stay on air is because we put out a lot of critical breaking news that percolates up into the mainstream and goes through the electronic Merlin wall when the deep state and the big corporations don't want the information out there. So many big stories that are pro human that really stop a lot of corruption and evil originate here in info wars. That's why they want this broadcast shut down. But listen, I don't want to just continue on. I want to set up a DC bureau. Oh, yeah. You already. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. He hit it. He hit it. I want to set up a DC bureau and nothing will go wrong. We already did this. We're in reruns right after the election. He had your own course. He's setting up the DC bureau that was just in his fucking apartment or whatever. Nonsense. Why are we doing this again? This is so I want to set up a DC bureau with Jerome Dorsey. It makes total sense. It makes total sense, though. We're coming up on an election season again and that make the of course what would be better for his purposes. They should have someone in DC. Why don't I? Let's do this again. Alex, let me tell you why you don't your own course. I'll give you one hit. He's suing you now. Exactly. I think first of all, I would assume that when he did do that, it was when he was at

the peak of his powers right right after the election. He was on top of the world and I think he probably made a lot of money. Well, we saw how much he was paying Corsi. Yeah, there's a shit ton of money, but he probably made a lot out of the audience in terms like we're expanding. We're going to get a DC bureau going. It's going to be a legitimate news outlet. We're going to get press credentials at the White House. I think he probably had a great like profit drive off of that. I think he probably wants to see if he can do it again. Not going to work. Nope. Second, whatever he would achieve by having a DC bureau would be very easily achieved by having an enterprising listener in DC. Yeah, that person if they're if he didn't have if they weren't insane and had a

flip phone even that he could record on, you could have a DC bureau in a second. Yeah. Or let's say, hey, well, he's already working with a, I don't know, six unpaid interns running a show now. So why not? You got nothing to lose. Right. One of your audience members would do it for exposure. Yeah. 100%. 100%. And if you want to like say, okay, well, you know, maybe an iPhone isn't good enough to record your special reports on, get a fucking camera that costs like $100 or something like that, it wouldn't, it would take almost nothing to get a dumb listener in DC to step up to the plate and do whatever you he had Dan Baddandi go and like this conference is yeah, why can't you just do that again? Alex, you don't need a DC bureau because nobody in DC

I think no one listens. So we could do it. We already had one guest. Yeah, I'm not going to DC. All right. That's my, that's my reason. That's what you got. I do think it would be really fun to work it up at info wars just as like the contrarian. I think it would be really fun to work at info wars in DC. Not in Austin. I don't know. My parents live in Austin. There's some good food. Oh, that's fair. I just mean being physically around him. You know, I still think it'd be really fun for it to be like court mandated that I have to be his cohost. Yeah. Like the fairness doctrine comes back. Alex, you could do your show, but Dan has to go. Wrong. Next. That's a lie. Next. They're laughing at him. Yeah, you're so dumb. You're so fucking stupid.

Why are you so mean to me? I would take that job. Let it be known. Let it be. I would take that. I really believe there are a few jobs and media I would take. That is one of them. I would absolutely do that. At this point, Alex, you know, we've already had one guest and that is Norm who just knocked it out of the park. So yeah, he's now Edward Norm. Edward Pettis and Edward is Norm. Alex has another guest and that is the guy who was on. He was the whistleblower for Project Veritas. There's CNN video. Okay. Piece of shit. His name is Kerry Porch. And here Alex introduces him. Kerry Porch is in studio with us. Wow. He's the big CNN whistleblower that Project Veritas released information last week with. And now more and more is coming out.

But he's just an interesting, smart guy. So I want to cover the waterfront with him here today. Let's see what he thinks about all sorts of news stories. Seems like a good use of time instead of actually really nailing down the CNN stuff. The thing that he's doing. Alex doesn't seem to care too much about that. He mostly wants to talk about how much they hate him at CNN. I bet they really don't like you sitting here in the ATX in studio with me because you were saying on air and off air like I was like the devil at CNN. Yeah, you were. You were popular at CNN and other outlets for many different reasons. Some good, some bad. Tell me all about it. I love me. I want to talk about me. I want to talk about

number one. Oh my me. My what I like. What I know. What I know. What I know. What I feel. I like talking about you, you, you, you usually. But occasionally I want to talk about me. Name the song. No. Toby Keith. Of course. I don't know that fucking song. What? You don't know Toby Keith? Of course not. What about high maintenance girl don't want no maintenance man. I really don't like this. This is uncomfortable. What about beer for my horses? You know what? I just heard a dude say the N word twice and I'm more uncomfortable now. Whiskey for my man beer for my whole sorrows. You are singing the N words of songs. Those are great songs. A lot of my karaoke hits. Yeah. Should have been a cowboy. Should have learned to rope and ride. That's

possible. Great song. No, it is not. Anyway, this dude stinks. Like that's how the interview starts. And that should tell you like Alex is probably not interested in the substance. Right. Right. Right. Well, that's because it's a project Veritas video and everybody knows by now at or at least hopefully that they're full of shit. Right. Which is kind of why I started singing Toby Keith. Yeah. I'm so interested in. I do like that. His name is a sentence though. That's nice. Sure. Carry. Really carry the porch. No, carry porch. I'm not sure the sentence his name is carry right porch. Right. So you like the outside of a house you carry the porch. No, you carry porch. His name is porch. Carry porch is carry the verb. Yeah.

It's a command. You're lifting the porch. No, you're lifting porch him. Who's on first? I thought the noun you were talking about is the thing that you sit on. Like the stoop. Right. We cannot record this early. So Alex talks to this guy and he's even according to his own telling of the story, he is not an important person. I'm again, I'm, I wasn't a journalist. I was just on the back end of things very low level. Oh, very low level. Good. What? He was like a uplink satellite guy from what I understand. Well, he's the perfect guy for whistleblowing. Yeah. So the two of them start talking around and Alex starts telling tales out of school about some people who work at CNN.

By the way, Oliver Darcy, I heard this years ago when we looked it up, he tried to get a job here like six, seven years ago. Oh, wow. He tried to work at Breitbart too. He was out in California. I know people that know him. And Chuck Johnson was telling me that I thought Chuck was joking. We went and looked it up. So here's a guy tried to work here and now he goes to CNN and joins the dark side and then literally goes around policing everyone on the internet like he's God. You know what's fucked up about this? It might be true. I don't know if it's true. It seems like I would still need some sort of proof that he tried to work at info wars. Yeah. But Oliver Darcy was definitely more of a conservative leaning dude years ago. Right. He was on, I can't remember

the name of the website, but I found some like 30 under 30 and conservative media that he was on years ago. Oh, okay. Like way back. Oh, so he's a complete and total shithead. I don't know if that's necessarily true. A lot of people have changes of heart changes of mind. I think based on their job. I don't know if that's the truth. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know any of the actual path that he's had. But I think that just automatically assuming that someone's positions can't change or that there's some sort of artificial reason for them to change. I think that that's I'm not saying that you're totally doing that, but I think it's an unhealthy impulse. Right, of course, just saying that someone used to be more conservative and they

now work for CNN and that's somehow invalidating. I find that to be a little bit. I agree. It's a dangerous lie. I agree. However, if it's true that he tried to work at info wars to be conservative, that he tried to use that he tried to work at info wars. That's a little bit of a different story. Yeah, possibly. But I also think that if it's like 2012 info wars, you might not have as much awareness of it other than it being a conservative, leaning Ron Paul type of a libertarian organization. I can see that. I can see that. It's it's tough because we know so much about it to view it through how someone else might see it. Right. And like nowadays, yes, if you write in for wars, you know, we are fucked. Yeah. But I think maybe in 2011, 2012,

you could make a better argument for it not being dammit. I agree. You could make a better argument for it. Right. Unfortunately, if Oliver Darcy did apply, he didn't realize that the only way to get hired there is to win a contest. So you gotta screw that one up. It's funny that of course they had to go back and look it up. They don't look at any of the fucking resumes that people said. No, you gotta you gotta save Bill Clinton's or rapist on TV. Then you get a fucking two year contract. If you put a CV, if you attach like a like a cover letter or a resume, it goes straight to spam. Can't read. Please. So I'll complain some more about Darcy here. There it is. Old Tweeterville CNN reporter used to mock network CNN is but but now he's there.

Now he's a big boy. And with a look at that face to scroll down. Would you buy a used car from that gentleman, ladies and gentlemen? I'm sorry. I don't mean to be mean, but I mean, give me a break. More instances of Alex taking people's physical appearance and applying virtue to whatever they look like, which is not good. He's not a used car salesman then. Yeah, I guess so. What he's talking about here is that like Fox News dug up some old tweets of Oliver Darcy before he worked at CNN critiquing CNN's coverage. Like I can't remember the last time it wasn't breaking news on CNN. That's right. Right. And that's cool, man. You can clown on him for like critiquing CNN and then working there. But it's also important to point out that his job

at CNN is media criticism. Oh, really? Oh, it almost feels interesting. It almost feels like what he was doing before working there was auditioning. No, I don't know if like nowadays he doesn't critique CNN. I don't I don't know if we all know there's nothing to critique CNN for these days. Yeah, fine. They're right on. Yeah. If that is a thing where it's like, well, now he doesn't speak ill of the company at all. It's a little bit basically him doing a job. Yeah, he's a company man. Sure. Yeah. But the old tweets don't mean anything. No, it is just sort of like, well, that is what he was doing. And now he's doing it for them. Yeah, we we got to have a we got to have some kind of like moratorium on the looking up old tweets. We just got to look,

I get it. Let's let's start from here. You know, we start now, everybody gets a clean slate. We start now any bullshit from then. Now we're I think I think it's the same thing with like doing undercover journalism, like lying about your identity or whatever. I think that there needs to be an actual reason for it, right? You know, like, you can't ethically use deception in order to tell us to get a new story. Yeah, unless that new story is such importance to the public. It's worth it. Yeah. And the only way you can get it is basically exactly. And with old tweets, let's say, I think that there is a public interest when it's like someone who's trying to rebrand who used to be like fascist. Yeah, then I fuck you. Yeah. And I get that. Then I think that there is a public

need or there's a justification for those old tweets. But when it's just like ha ha, you used to make fun of CNN now you work there. It's it's petty and stupid or the people who take out of context, joke tweets, like what happened, Mike Cernovich trying to get Sam Cedar fired right from MSNBC. Yeah, those sorts of things are all just like, yeah, at those, they need to put a moratorium on. But you know, I don't know, I just suggest we have I think everybody on the planet should delete all of their old tweets right now, just right now, everybody do it. I'm sure. Okay, done. I don't know. They should there should be a self-destruct button just built into Twitter where like your tweets go away after a week. You can. There is

that. Yeah. Yeah, you get one of those. You should. Yeah. So anyway, Alex does not have sponsors, but that doesn't mean he's not going to give some companies a free ride. Okay. Hey, is this your first time in Texas? No, I've been through Texas many times over my life. You ever had a top of Chico? I can't say I have they are not a sponsor. But let me tell you, this is some super good mineral water. Okay. Super good. Okay. Unplay, unpaid plug for topo Chico. Okay. Probably don't want that plug. No, no, topo Chico, the official mineral water of infowars. No, no, no, no. So then Alex gets into like, Hey, man, you know, I've got to say what this is, because if I don't, everyone's going to think it's booze. You know, I ran into some folks, they said that, you know,

Alex, I think you're better when you're drunk on here. And I'm like, you know, when was that? So no, seriously. Maybe on election night, we had a little bit of champagne, but back with Roger Stone. Smash cut to yeah, every time he's been fucked up. When was that? Yeah, come on, Alex. I imagine that that's gaslighting. You thought about putting together a supercut. I did. You were like, there are just too many. I got too busy watching bone thugs. Yeah, Phil Collins videos. But yeah, I mean, there's so there's so many. It's ridiculous. Or that night at the Deplora ball when he was like, I'm going to go pee on that tree. Yeah. When he was out, like, and he was yelling at that lady calling her cupcake. I can smell booze on your breath. Oh,

yeah. You're drunk. Oh, man. Cupcake. Like, come on, man, don't fucking pretend. Like, I don't think it's wrong to drink. Yeah, I don't think even if you're drinking, well, I mean, I think it's super irresponsible to do what Alex does. Right drunk. Right. I think it's irresponsible to do it sober. But like if he's out at the Deplora ball and he's doing a live remote shoot or something like that, who gives a shit? No kid. But don't pretend that you don't as if as if some and sure maybe he's not drinking now. Great. Yeah, I bet you will soon. I don't I don't jump gets impeached. He's gonna get so drunk and have another breakdown screaming on air that that whole that's just abusive dad bullshit that like, yeah, tell me when I get drunk. And it's like, fuck you. Don't make

me hassle hop. Get the fuck out of here. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So they discuss this, this video that Kerry helped Project Veritas make. And his experience of it was he was still working at CNN when the first video was going to be released. Like it was going to be they put a teaser out that they were going to release it. Right. And so he had to escape the building. He was there at work, and he had to leave and he went out into a van and then Project Veritas help him move out of his house and flee the city. It's like really overly dramatic. You got fleeced by Project Veritas. It's really overly dramatic stuff. They stole your life. You idiot. So Kerry talks about that here a little bit. And he says that the experience of watching the Project Veritas video

in the van leaving CNN was cool. Okay, but I don't think he articulates the word very well, especially the guys at CNN. They know what he's done. They know that now they know that I wasn't the only one there. So there was other people there and our crew. Yeah, we just sat in the back of an old ass U-Haul van and just watched it on an iPad. And it was kind of cruel. Kind of cruel, kind of cruel, cruel, cruel, cruel. I mean, it is kind of cruel to be stuck in a U-Haul van watching a fucking live video made by Project Veritas on an iPad after they stole your goddamn life. He was willing. Yeah. So Alex has this guy, Kerry Porch on the show to talk about his big CNN whistleblowing that he did with James O'Keefe and Project Veritas. And it's not a good interview.

Kerry is not the chatty sort. And it doesn't seem like he's too into Alex's sense of humor. So the interview is kind of like walking through calf deep mud. Kerry is trying to be humble and accurate and constantly refers to himself as a low level employee. But Alex needs that not to be true or at least the perception of that not to be true. So he has to keep correcting him and saying shit like sometimes the lowest level gives the best of you. Sure. You can get a bird's eye view from the ground. The opposite of the bird's eye view, Alex. Oh boy. It's a mess. Kerry seems very dumb. And to be on board with Alex's worldview entirely, but the two of them have zero chemistry. So in the middle of the interview, Alex becomes preoccupied with proving to Kerry that your light bulbs are

spying on you and that Trump was probably being spied on by light bulbs. Kerry seems politely interested in looking into it and like, yeah, I'll look into that. But Alex, because the interview is such a dud becomes hyper focused on proving it to him. Sure. Sure. And it just goes off the rails. Yeah, that sounds like he starts yelling about light bulbs and like, I'll ball up the news stories. I'll totally do it. I did a special report on this. We'll just play it. Dude, you're your light bulb is not covered right now. So yeah, what if he's right? Yeah, it's it's a it's a massive interview. I went and watched the project Veritas video about this because I guess I like pain. Yeah, I'm here to report it's a real swing and a miss.

Oh, what? What do you know? They're over all of their videos. That's a surprise. It's really crazy to me to like part of this interview that they're doing is like, I just don't understand why the mainstream media is covering up this project Veritas interview. Maybe history. Yeah, maybe don't care. Yeah. Oh, did project Veritas put out a video? Sure. Great. It's a four part series, but I only watched the first one because that seemed to be the one that was focused on Kerry and because it was boring as shit. So there's no way I was going to keep going after the first one. That is enough. This boils down to more or less, some employees saying that CNN CEO Jeff Zucker doesn't like Trump personally, and that the

editorial decisions are to cover negative stories about Trump, like how people are talking about impeaching him. Sure. I don't like Jeff Zucker. And I think CNN is a mess. The entire institution of profit driven news or political commentary is completely fucked and probably needs to be fixed. So I don't, please, please don't think that I'm here to go to bat for the people who are being targeted by project Veritas. These folks deserve plenty of criticism. It's just that the valid kind is never going to come from James O'Keefe. What? If the main criticism you're primarily lodging at the head of is that the head of a company doesn't like the president enough. It seems like the situation you'd prefer is if everyone liked the president enough,

which sounds pretty authoritarian to me. If your criticism is that the network is chasing ratings, then fine. But then why is your whistleblower going on info wars? Alex tried to cause a panic last week that Trump was going to get assassinated at his rally in Dallas just to drive traffic to his website. Like he's so much more guilty of this than CNN. I hate it when people chase ratings like CNN and no one else. Yeah. Honestly, all of James O'Keefe's exposés are complete trash and embarrassing, but this one's particularly weird to watch. Here you have a guy who works at CNN talking to his coworkers about stuff like what the newsroom was like on the day after the election. They think they're just having a conversation with a friend

or an acquaintance. They have no idea he's secretly recording them so he can give the tape to a shithead propagandist. It's a pretty messed up violation of their trust and it really doesn't reflect well on the character of this carry guy. Yeah. It's just kind of it bums me out. Like I can't even begin to quantify the number of times I've talked insane shit at work. The workplace is an environment where nearly everyone has something to complain about and everyone's got something to say about what's wrong with the bosses. Co-workers often build rapport with each other off by venting and that's the kind of what's being hijacked and abused here in order to make this video. It feels dirty and invasive, but I guess it bought carry porch 15 minutes of fame

in the right wing media and it kept O'Keeffe useful to his dark money patrons so I hope it's worth it. God that sucks so hard. It's a real bummer. In the workplace that is that is dropping a bomb. That's now every time I have an interaction is somebody videotaping this for fucking James O'Keeffe. Yeah. God that sucks. Yeah and you got a question like now every single time that you'd talk to this guy before then was he just bothering you up in order to do this? Like how like it's so and it's it's a state where you can record without the other yeah New York is a one-party consent state but carry had to actually be having those conversations. He couldn't just record other people talking so he actually had to engage with these people of order for it to be legal which is another

layer of this. Yeah. Like it's just I understand that you think that you're doing something big here and showing CNN is evil and all this but you're not. It doesn't demonstrate what you think it does and in order to do this you have to really violate people's. Yeah. I mean just it's the sort of thing that like if you sit back for a second and think about it like you should be so ashamed to act like this and these people never will. Now this is something that can only be done by a shitty person who believes lies. Yeah. Or an amazing person who is actually doing good. Yeah and James O'Keeffe is using this dude. Yeah. It's it I mean it's pure and simple. He's using him and he's willingly being used. Absolutely. Absolutely. From everything I can tell and

like listening to this interview and watching the video like he's not like some some guy who got roped into this. Right. He's on board but at the same time the like James O'Keeffe couldn't get these people to say what they say. Yeah. In the video by someone who you think is your friend at work. You might talk this kind of shit around them and think everything is totally fine. Right. It's it's such an invasion of privacy and gross like for people who can't like you know they talk about how like big tech is is like all invading our privacy and then to turn around and act like this to to other people in real life is just it's monstrous and it's just so stupid like these guys just don't get that the grift is more important than you and you will be tossed aside when you're

not useful for the grift. Yep. Alex is going to Alex was tossed aside by Trump once he stopped being useful. He doesn't care and he will be tossed aside in a much larger way. Oh yeah. Like even if Trump's like even if Trump solidifies his power and becomes like a dictator. Yeah. Alex isn't useful. No. Like he like no matter what circumstance you will be chewed up and spit out Trump as a dictator is that you don't want Alex anywhere near Trump as a dictator. You want somebody who gives the veneer of reality. Yeah. You know the only way that Alex could make his brand continually worthwhile would be to constantly be in opposition to whatever. Yeah. Like him choosing to go along with Trump is like the second he decided that it's all these consequences that have come from it.

Yeah. We're inevitable. Yeah. No. We said it on like what the second episode of the podcast the worst thing that has ever happened to Alex is Trump actually and not happened to him. No. No. He may exactly. Yeah. I guess I guess you could make the argument that him supporting him if Trump had lost would have worked out fine. I think everybody I think. Yeah. You're probably right. I really do think everybody wanted Trump to lose the decision. The whole game was supposed to be Trump losing the decision to support Trump was a bad one. But it could have gone OK if Trump lost. Yeah. That is because he did. You know he supported Ron Paul and then all those times and he lost. Yeah. That's fine. You've got all the support. You can't support someone who wins.

There's a deep state who cheated. Yeah. You've got years of material out of that. Right. Alex could be using all the same narratives that he uses now without Trump being president in a much more effective way. Oh yeah. You can make excuses for why you're not getting the changes you want to see in the world. Yeah. Everything works better. Or even the best move probably would have been to be on Trump's side for like the first 50 or 60 days and then go hard against him and do that whole. Yeah. The world is your oyster really if Trump loses. But since he won Alex is kind of backed into a corner and he feels like he has ownership over the election and he made it happen and that's a real fucked up box for you to be in if you're Alex Jones. You just can't do it because

you think you did a great thing. And if you change you think you did it you think. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And if you change that means you have to admit that you were wrong which he is great at doing. Yeah. I guess. So this next clip is pretty interesting because Kerry claims that he used to be a leftist. Sure. All right buddy. You have a good time. Yeah. So he discusses his fucked up political alignment in this next clip. OK. It's this doesn't make sense to me because you called yourself a liberal and I don't call that a leftist. I mean liberals are classical Americans in my view. What was your view before you were on the inside of the beast at CNN. And then what would you call yourself now. So yes. And you know I use the term loosely with liberal and everything

but you know I supported Bernie in the 2016 election voted for him caucus forum in the primaries and then voted for Gary Johnson in the in the general just because I didn't like Hillary and I didn't like Trump. So I just went third party and nobody said my vote mattered until obviously the next day. But I would actually say I was more in the term of leftist or far left when I got to CNN. And then from what I saw the two and a half year journey I basically basically got to red pill myself on YouTube while I was in the bureau. And I would say I'm mostly center right libertarian kind of right now but definitely leaning more and more conservative with each passing day. You know I spoke at a turning point event in College Station last night a bunch of great

kids there are great people and it was a lot of fun to meet a lot of people that you know just wanted to know know what happened. Well you'll get a big scarlet letter put on you if you do this but that's really a bad you honor. But I'd like to talk about doing some projects with you or offering you a job here. Of course. We need new reporters we need folks that could run a couple of reporters and you seem like a smart competent guy you're a likable guy in person and we don't have a big budget around here but I'd really like try to get you to do some work with us. I can't pay you but you want to work here. Hey you got 15 minutes of fame on you I'd like to vampirically feast off that. Yep. Hey guy who's suing his parents because they kicked him out of

their home. Hey you want to work here. Yep. Hey Obama phone lady you want a job. Yep. Caller you want a job. Hey house phone. This makes me think that maybe I could get that job at Info Wars co-hosting. Nah you'd have to butter them up first. Alex I think you're great. You'd have to scrub all your old tweets. That wouldn't be hard. Barely tweet. Yeah this is sad. I think that what you see here is him expressing a path that probably a lot of people who didn't have principled stance take you know like you just watch a bunch of dumb propaganda right wing videos on YouTube and you're like oh my god and then you probably overestimate how left you were to begin with. Yeah. Just so you can make it seem like I am one of the ones who came

out of the cold. Right. It's a much more compelling story for the the right wing folks like Alex but I mean really the bottom line of it is I watched a bunch of shit on YouTube and it warped my perception. I just I just cannot understand people who watch a bunch of videos on YouTube and form a political opinion about it. I just don't get it. It's strange. It's just crazy. Yeah but it is the ultimate goal of those who are making those YouTube videos and the algorithm will will do that to you but yeah yeah it's it's kind of sad. Read. Yeah. Just read. Well no no no no. Takes too much effort. There's no there's words on paper and they're comprehensive. The books are big. The YouTube videos are dumb. Well one of the good things about the possibility of working

at Infowars is you wouldn't have to read. That's true. You would never have to read. That's true. And it does seem serious that Alex is offering him a job. Again my my lady and I were entertaining everything that's coming our way. We're not ruling out anything. I'm sure you don't appreciate it. Oh I love it. Well before you go today I'm going to do a shoot right after the show but we should talk on the phone about ideas you've got because I'm trying to hire a few more reporters a few more people especially for 2020 to really go out there and fight and you can see here this is totally transparent. How are you going to hire people. You're having an everything must go sale. I don't know. This is your show is falling apart at the seams. Your producers can't handle doing live radio. No.

This is a mess. This is a disaster. Yeah. What kind of ideas do you tell me what kind of ideas you have. I'm looking to hire somebody. Give me your ideas. Give me all of your ideas. Here's an idea. Get used by James O'Keeffe. Yeah there we go. That seems to be what this guy brought to the table. I would love to steal whatever you got. So this dude was a leftist. Cool. But here is a clip that I believe invalidates his leftist credentials. Sure. What we need to do more of his project Veritas stuff in the field as well. And I wish there were more groups like Veritas and I know that James O'Keeffe does as well. It's kind of scary that that's the only group that is as successful as he is. Well that's just a testament to James and his team. Like he is very very particular

with who he hires and vets and everything like he and I talked for almost two months. You know while he and his team were vetting me quietly making sure that I was in a CNN plant trying to go inside. And boy have they not tried to destroy him and put him in prison. I mean they've sued him. He's done right. It's tape. It's I mean even when I was a leftist I didn't like James but I respected him because he had the tape. I was like oh okay it's you know acorn and this and that. I'm like well it's you know my people at the time but I'm like you can't argue with tape. You can't argue with tape. Man. That is invalidating. Either you were a leftist and you're the dumbest human being there's ever been or you weren't a leftist and you're still the dumbest human. Yeah

I mean it is it is a possibility that he was you know inclined towards the left and he was just profoundly stupid. I just thought James O'Keeffe was actually. Yeah. Like there are people on the left who don't read also. It's not like that's unique to Alex's. No no no absolutely absolutely. But yeah if you're somebody who is inclined towards left positions and you think that James O'Keeffe is accurately portraying things in the videos that he's putting out that means you're inclined towards the right. Yeah quite frankly because otherwise you would look into it and you'd be like oh this is all complete bullshit. Like the video he brings up acorn and like that Alex still pretends that James O'Keeffe was wearing the pimp outfit when he went in to talk to

the people at acorn. Of course he does. Like Alex even doesn't realize the manipulation that he's been subjected to. Right. So fuck all this shit. Yeah I mean I can see actually I will I will give him this. I imagine that he considers himself a leftist or he considered himself a leftist because he had basic human empathy. That might be. And if you do have that then chances are you're gonna say you're you're on the left. It's possible that in hindsight he's. But he was also stupid. So he watches those videos and he's like well this overrides my basic human empathy because these are facts. These are giving me a reason to ignore my empathy. Yeah yeah yeah. And then yeah who cares. What an asshole. Whatever his self described journey is maybe there's some perception

that he has that feels accurate but I don't give it any credence. Yeah. So he's already said that YouTube videos got him on the path that he's going on. Just even if that were true I just wouldn't admit that you know. Yeah it seems real lame. I would say I read a book. Even say Ayn Rand. That's lame. Yeah it's awful but at least it's a yeah. So he's in this next clip gonna complain about people who think that YouTube radicalizes people but he's already said. Well he just said that he was radical and he does sort of reiterate that YouTube was a big part of this. What an idiot. I mean before I torched my Facebook the morning of obviously but you know how they do the memories thing like hey do you remember this five years ago and and it was me doing like some you know

a crazy far left ideology post and whatnot like that. I'm like it's a total cringe fest. I'm like was it a process or a moment when you got out of the cult process. It was this process of coming to work in DC and kind of seeing how the sausage is made slowly but surely you know watching an ecosystem of videos here and there and just being open enough to start to actually entertain other ideas you know without accepting them at that time but just being open enough to okay let's see what the other side has to say. And there was a whole ecosystem on YouTube where I could go from one video to the next. I know they're going to take this out of context and see the YouTube radicalizes people. You remember that New York Times article

but it just got me a point where I could start watching pieces of several different people's videos and was slowly but surely kind of red peeling me in the process. Just because you saw the manipulation. I did and that's what opened me. You see the manipulation of the that's itself manipulate. Yeah. I mean you this is so woefully transparent. Like this is just somebody who fell victim to the algorithm. Yeah. Probably started watching a ton of these like Stefan Malinu videos and Dave Rubin and shit. We're just having ideas. We're just having a free exchange open exchange of ideas. Debate me. Fuck off. Sure. I mean this is this is a story that you hear over and over and over again. And good luck. Not to not to you listening but to

this guy. Good luck. This isn't this is a good path. Yeah. The problem is it's just so like they do it so gradually because you know if you were talking to somebody and you hadn't been radicalized by the YouTube videos and they took a big swing you know say you are somebody who voted for Bernie and and like you're like I consider myself on the left and then you watch a YouTube video where it's like white people are under attack. You're going to be like nah okay fine whatever but if it's just like hey you know this guy can't say this anymore and you're like yeah I noticed that I can't say that's the function of people like Dave Rubin then the algorithm goes and takes you down there. Yeah. But it's just like man it's too easy. Yeah totally. It's just too

easy. Yeah but you need to rise the temperature gradually and that's why people like a Stephen Crowder or Dave Rubin are so essential to this pipeline that gets people down towards more radical ideas. Yeah the YouTube to terrorism pipeline. That's why you have people like you know like Dave Rubin has these guests on like Katie Hopkins or like these sorts of people who are fucked up and he presents them as normal and that leads to a greater ability for people to end up considering people like oh they just have normal ideas. You just disagree with them and that's why you know like no she's trying to kill all the Muslims. She's a genocider. So Alex has been teasing that he's going to go to calls with this whistleblower

for a long time on the show and he finally gets around to it when there's 10 minutes left in the show and instead of going to actual calls he immediately goes to a friend of Carey's who's called in who apparently served with him overseas in the service and this is how that goes. Well I'm going to go to Carlos. I'm going to go to Johnny Solo, Ryan, Michael and Chris. But let's go to your buddy Scott Goldsmith that you know from Iraq another veteran. Thanks for holding Scott you're on the air. In this guy Trooper Scott. Oh this is Phantom of Chinese Dragon. Get to take over your country, stupid American. Oh I see A.I. breaking in beside Scott Goldsmith.

Scott Goldsmith has credit score gone down. So now I'm actually from China breaking in. Oh you don't really say we have LeBron James. When for the people who are not you know you're just listening to this Jordan's mouth was a game when that call started your jaw was wide open. I can't believe that this show would also have a guy say the N word a couple of times. I cannot believe that. This is a family show Dan. It's pretty amazing like this. I think this is a good way to demonstrate to people that like Alex is making these videos where he does this offensive Chinese voice on a dragon cartoon and the audience responds to it. They like it to the point where this guy is calling in

and he does it as a joke. Well I'm going to get on all the act. You can hear the dumb asshole laughing. Yeah you know like Jesus fuck you. If you were on the left we don't want you. It's a funny gag. Get the fuck out. Yeah so this turns bad. All right let's go to more calls here. Let's talk to sorry stop doing that. It makes me talk like that. Let's talk to solo in Kentucky. Oh we saw we saw the Kurds bombed in Kentucky on ABC News. Oh good media. Oh Trump leave the Kurds. Sorry solo go ahead. So on October 14th ABC aired some footage that was purportedly from Syria. There was actually a quote nighttime machine gun demonstration from a shooting range in Kentucky. Ever since this point right wing media figures like Alex have latched onto this as an

excuse to pretend that there has not been horrible shit happening to the Kurds in northern Syria. ABC apologized for the error and is investigating how the mistake was made. This is a big mess up but it was handled appropriately in terms of how news operations are supposed to work. They fucked up they apologized and they made a correction. It doesn't matter though. People like Alex can fuck up and lie a million times. Never apologize. Never correct anything and if you slip up once they'll point to it over and over to portray you as the unethical party. It's a lame childish game. Yup. I personally don't care too much about this stupid game of finger pointing. The truth is that ABC did fuck up in a big way and in doing so handed a weapon to the parties that want to whitewash

and genocide justify allowing a potential genocide to take place. Senator John Cornyn said on Wednesday quote if Turkey was planning on coming into northern Syria and trying to ethnically cleanse the Kurds and US troops were caught in the middle I'm not completely convinced that it was a bad idea to get them out of harm's way. Yeah. Last week talking about northern Syria Trump himself said about Turkey quote they had to have it cleaned out. In the immediate aftermath of Trump's withdrawal Turkish forces moved in and started attacking. Tens of thousands of civilians were displaced as they had to flee for their lives. On the 13th it was reported that Turkish backed militants had executed nine people including the secretary general of the future Syria party

Hevrin Koloff who was the leader who is a leader pushing for a more democratic state and these are far from the only civilians that were killed. Pointing to one video that ABC News got wrong doesn't undo Hevrin Koloff's execution nor the deaths of all these other people. All it does is give Alex a crutch to feel right when he all he's doing is supporting an unjustifiable foreign policy decision that is doomed countless people to displacement life under a dictator or death. Fuck Alex Jones. These are the sorts of moments that you need to fully understand when people say that Alex is funny or this is just entertainment. Were the host of the RTLM in Rwanda funny? Was it just entertainment? Was Lord Ha Ha funny? Is that just entertainment?

Is this entertainment? Alex is carrying water for Trump abandoning the Kurds while doing a racist Chinese accent. Is that just funny? It's not funny and it's not entertainment. It's cruel and malicious propaganda and the only thing I can really take solace in at this point is that I believe he'll probably live long enough to extremely regret his actions. That's the only thing I can really hang my hat on because at this point like there's just there's just no words for no I just can't he's he's doing an incredibly racist Chinese accent while minimizing and defending a genocide so I don't know what else if you can't if you can't recognize that as not just immoral but just like some level of something that I can't just complete

it's next level to a point I think I think that if history understand like the problem that I have is I don't think that Alex is very relevant and I don't think that he's affecting things nearly to the point that people like the broadcasters on the RTLM did. I don't think Alex is is causing any I'm sure he's causing some harm but not to the extent that those propagandists did in those circumstances no of course of course but he's trying to yeah like his intention is very similar it's to minimize these very serious situations and deflect anybody being concerned about it in service of supporting Trump at any cost. I think history is going to have a very complicated look at this if they actually take what he's doing

seriously as opposed to being like yeah he was an asshole conspiracy theorist which is I think what a lot of people do and in reality he's as bad as you can get. Yeah yeah I don't understand how nobody I really am amazed I'm not amazed and I do understand that's the problem that let me put it that way it is so normal that John Cornyn will face no discipline for literally saying I'm fine with ethnic cleansing that's that it of course he won't that's how awful it is it is totally normal that not even other senators are they're like oh he shouldn't have said that that's what we've got now that's what we've got yeah and you know it you understand it you know like you want to say you want to say so bad I don't get it and he's like no of course you do that's what it's what's

been going on for so long yeah Cornyn should be knee capped I mean it I mean it he should literally I don't want harm to come to anybody but his knee should be blown out what a fucking prick I don't I don't support the use of violence for political gains but I understand why you're expressing yourself that way I don't want political gains out of this I have no political gains have you gotten out of this just trying to push back on your violent talk that's all I'm doing this is just I hear you I hear you and I think that one of the things that's really important and I hate to say like ha ha our show is important because I I don't know if it really is all that important but when you talk about Alex Jones this is the stuff that like

really is the balance that's important this is this like this dude is like way out of line here but at the same time he's also running commercials where he brags about having a chainsaw right there is there is a farcical aspect to a lot of the work he does but underneath that there is this like if he had an opportunity to he would defend a genocide oh 100 because that's the behavior that he's manifesting here yeah and that is important to consider because should things ever get bad enough in this country where we're talking about like let's say getting rid of all muslims in the country like deporting all of them he would be for it and he would behave he would be behaving in this sort of way oh of course um and that's that's that's not not relevant nope nope so we have

one last clip here and barns has shown up great uh because barns also wants to talk to the google whistleblower barns barns wants to throw some n words around too he's like hey wait i'm i was his lawyer first see this is where it gets into a really interesting conversation we had paddus come in and he did what he did yeah now we're gonna hear what barns says and afterwards i challenge you to answer to discern which one is are we playing up the greatest fucking game show who is the worst lawyer on the october 23rd episode of alex's show the russians are not a threat they don't like putin in particular because putin is anti the sort of uh uh e u established order of thing they can't push puti put around exactly that's what drives them not same reason why they hate

trump is the reason why they hate putin putin is not a threat to the united states he could be a great ally to the united states of the war against islam and uh in dealing with china uh we're pushing russia you're very honest the war against islam yeah that's what it is oh boy so jordan i ask you which of these lawyers is more fucked up the guy coming in and talking about uh the n word and saying the n word or the lawyer who comes in and very bluntly and confidently declares we're at war with a religion man you know uh i want to say congratulations to both our competitors you guys you guys really left it all out on the field today you didn't you didn't think it was possible but that clip was going to in any way cause any kind of like i wonder which is worse i just didn't see it

coming yeah and there we have it i oh man i'm gonna you know you want you want to go with just pure numbers you know there are more there are more people uh but i'm gonna i'm i can let me give you while you're thinking let me give you my thought on it okay i think that viscerally norm takes the win right right but if you step back and look at it a little bit more i think probably what uh barns is saying might be worse right in as much as he's sort of declaring a holy war or he's yes like there is a lot more that should that worldview be you know accepted more broadly yeah what you would be looking at is probably the end of the world yeah or at very least like a very very fucked up campaign of trying to rid the world of islam yeah yeah and i think

that would probably have far worse effects than norm being allowed to say the n word right right right well well see and that's not to minimize the experience of people who have to hear norm say the n word this is this is the thing right i mean i guess it's more just like barns came out and said the war against islam yeah and then alex said i applaud your honesty yeah yeah and norm only kind of pointed to a major thing which is the war against minorities so you know which which one you're gonna go with the war against and let me be clear i'm not saying that like i don't want to add like a position of like relative badness no i know that's what i'm saying um but it it seems like one implies a world war yeah i don't know it's jesus these fucking guys are

you know i i feel like the bar should be harder to pass i guess yeah i think i think that's our real issue is it is it on lawyerly behavior to say the n word on alex's show could you get i could go on alex show is an un un that should be disbarred oh well legal system's broken yep i think the i think these guys have just really done a great job at uh at illuminating how everything is broken i can't i can't everything i cannot believe how shocking this episode was that is in some ways um that is just bananas just i mean it's staggering just alone that on one episode of his show alex had both of his lawyers as guests yeah that's crazy that alone and then the fact that both of them took such huge swings yeah just yeah just crazy crazy shit one saying the n word and the other

declaring a war of islamophobia this is just also these two dudes are perfect examples of why this show is so the the weakest link you know this is what we've talked about how many people in their in their quiet moments when guess what no one's listening and it's just us guys how many people would say i applaud you for saying the war on islam you know so many probably in public no no no we'd never talk about that we'd never say that but when it's just us guys when it's just you and me it's good that you're finally just coming out and saying i don't i don't think it's too far off base from alex's sort of normal conception of things yeah but it's weird for his lawyer yeah yeah i mean but that's what i'm saying about that if i if i heard alex just say it it wouldn't even

be a clip exactly exactly exactly that would just no that's that's we know that's totally what i'm saying as far as the weakest link goes is it it's not alex it's his lawyers coming on there being like i'm glad now that it's just us we all know what we can say this shit flies yeah yeah yep we're fucked down so but also it's good to know i i do believe that i think that these a lot of these signs that we're seeing means that alex is fucked too yeah so there's at least like you could take cold comfort in the fact that like this isn't going well for him either yeah i know it's not it's it doesn't help and what are you saying is still profoundly awful even if he is circling the drain um but hey man man you know what one day one day it will be a brag for him

to say he has a chainsaw i really i genuinely really think that if you had trump as the host and bar and juliani as the two lawyers this converse these could be played out in the same script it might be a little bit less coherent yeah but yeah isn't that the sad part yeah same script same script could be played out by those three guys that's a dark thought that is a way we live in a dark world dance anyway we'll be back we live in for the dark world dance didn't see it you didn't miss much good uh but you will miss much if you don't go to our website there we go now that's a fucking transition right there thanks that is the iodine fluoride of transitions uh yeah our website though is knowledge fight dot com we're also on twitter

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