Knowledge Fight - #384: January 3, 2020

Episode Date: January 6, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at Alex Jones' response the day after Trump assassinated a high level Iranian general to see where he lands on the issue. Also, one of Alex's oldest guests decides to celebrate the occasion by dabbling in some Holocaust revisionism.

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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan Jordan. Dan Jordan. How was your first experience with weed being legal in Illinois? Well, weed became legal on the first of January and that evening I got a text from a friend. I don't know.

I remember who it was. I think it was Jordan sent me a text that he wanted to go down to the dispensary on the second of January. Why not? And I thought, Hey, I don't smoke weed. Why not? Which is a stupid decision. Yeah, what were you busy?

No, not really. So we went down there and it was an interesting time. It was a bit of a long line, but very professional process. It really was. It was pretty smooth considering it was the second day they were in operation. I got a couple of gummies and seeing if it helps with sleep. How have the gummies worked for you so far? The results are inconclusive.

Yeah. Seems like it's helping a little bit, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the placebo effect or whatever. But I don't know. It's it's interesting. Yeah. I'm I think my my ability to metabolize things is a little bit rough because they said that the average dose for the gummies was like a half of one.

That's what the people at the place said. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I ate two and it barely registered like it's it was bad. Yeah. You may have a problem. I may have an issue.

Right. There might be that might be on my end. Not there. Luckily for me. I have almost no interest in using any of this stuff to get high per se. So I don't really even care. Sure. Sure.

Of your troubles. You're a little pissing concerns about it. I took two and I didn't get to buzz. I was just I was just sharing. I know. I appreciate sharing my feelings. It's it's super interesting. I don't know.

We'll see what happens. That is a it was it was surprising. I've never waited four hours for a weed before. So it was a little it was a little weird. It wasn't that long and they allowed you to like it had a really interesting setup where you would sign in and then they would text you when you were. It was ready for you to come to be let in. That was brilliant.

I enjoyed that. You know you and I left and we had brunch and wandered around. It was wonderful. Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't like you're standing there waiting for four hours, which would have been a deal breaker for me. Yeah.

Absolutely would have been a no go. I was already ready to leave anyways and we had already waited three hours. I was like fuck this noise. But whatever. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. I don't have a ton of thoughts about that, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know anything about either.

Right. So Jordan today we have an episode to do that. I'm not entirely positive that I am wanting to do. I don't want to just get I want to get out of the present day. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean me too. I keep for many different reasons.

I keep having like a like a while. We've done a bunch of present day episodes. Time to go do something else. Right. And then something will happen in the world like Alex's deposition will happen. Yeah. Or you know it'll come out that he lost a hundred thousand dollars in fees to the court or Trump goes ahead and assassinates a guy.

Well there that one is probably something to cover. Right. Happening and you like I can't not cover it would be outside of the public's interest. Right. Right. And so and I'm not I'm not I'm not sitting here complaining and like I'm forced to be in the present day.

It's just it is a slog. Yeah. A little bit. And I think it probably is for the listeners too. And I apologize about that. And as soon as we have a chance to do an episode that is not the present day, I promise you we will do. But unfortunately you know we got to keep up with this stuff because there's

there's developing situations and Alex's positions on them are are interesting to note. Yeah. Generally speaking when when historians will look back and say this was where world war started. They will not be talking about it. It will not be talking about Alex. I highly doubt that.

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So today is episode that we're going over is January 3rd 2020. Gotcha. So the twenty twenty. Hey. It's twenty twenty is already shit. It's Friday of last week and so the day after Trump ordered this strike to take out Sulamani and we'll get into some of that a little bit but before we do here's an outer context drop from today's show.

I'm Alex Jones and this is twenty twenty. He's ripping off Barbara Walters. Oh stop it. I think I'm going to do that every day. I believe that. That's Alex Jones. This is twenty twenty. What a dick.

That's lame. So before we get into today's show I want to give a little bit of a disclaimer. I'm not an expert in geopolitics. I can really only go on the information that's available and I can find which is often times limited particularly in the case of evolving and ongoing situations. Some potentially major events unfolded over the course of the last week and though those things will come up on this episode I want to express that I'm going to try my best to stay away from over analyzing things too much since that would probably be a little bit

irresponsible of someone like me to do. There are many other great places where that kind of work is being done by far more competent hands and I would encourage people to rely on those sources for more nuanced discussion of the geopolitical scene. I don't know what Iran is going to do to respond and I don't want to speculate since that could easily veer off track into you and I playing guessing games. It's not productive. That being said I want to offer two very strong positions that I hold that are probably best

to acknowledge up top before we get into anything. And after I say this you're welcome to speak your piece as well Jordan OK your position. The first is that I am absolutely categorically opposed to a war with Iran and I'm equally opposed to the actions that make such a war more likely. I understand that many would see the invasion of a US embassy in Iraq as grounds for a response and I understand that position to where that's coming from. But I think that this level of response seems way out of proportion and reckless second from everything I've read on the subject Trump crossed a very serious line by killing

Sulaimani in that Sulaimani was an official of the Iranian government. This is an official of a sovereign government who Trump has openly admitted he ordered the assassination of which is a really fucked up thought. I have some discomfort with the idea of drone warfare generally speaking but when it's being used to commit political assassinations on government figures within countries that we are not at war with it is a very serious matter. In an article in the Atlantic Ona Hathaway a professor of international law at Yale law school opined that the strike to kill Sulaimani was a breach not only of our constitution but

also international law because Trump did not inform Congress nor did he approach the UN Security Council before making this decision. These problems could be resolved if the attack was done to stop an imminent attack which Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has claimed but no one has produced any proof to support that assertion. It's my feeling that leaving aside how bad a guy Sulaimani might have been or may have been probably was what Trump did was wrong and profoundly dangerous. Given all the information I have at my disposal I don't see any gray area there and Trump's

actions since the killing have only made me feel deeply concerned even more so. It's probably debatable if the assassination counts as an act of provocation that would justify Iran declaring war for example but what's not debatable is that after all of that Trump took to Twitter and literally threatened to commit war crimes. He said quote let this serve as a warning that if Iran strikes any Americans or American assets we've targeted 52 Iranian sites representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago. Some at a very high level and importance to Iran and the Iranian culture and those targets

and Iran itself will be hit very fast and very hard. The US wants no more threats. The part about Iranian culture being targeted is a massive red flag. Iranian cultural sites is universally considered a war crime and not for nothing the people you generally be killing by attacking cultural sites are non-combatants so the very idea that a president would say something like this is absolutely unacceptable territory for us to be in. The way Trump is behaving is villain shit.

This is authoritarian level shit and I just don't even know what to say about it. There's obviously more to this story than we know right now and putting singular blame on Trump I think would be foolish. He's ultimately responsible for the decision but I think it would be naive to think it was a decision that was made in a vacuum. There's obviously advisors around and people steering him in directions but for me to speculate on the precise aspect of that I think at this point would be just that speculation. One thing that strikes me is that I feel like Alex and I should be on the same page on this

one. The fact that Trump would kill a government official from a state we're not at war with without notifying Congress should be everything Alex is against in an executive. Alex is an anti-war guy or at least pretends to be so it should be pretty clear as a case of Trump stepping way outside the bounds of acceptable action and doing things that tend to make war more likely not less. This should be a slam dunk for Alex as a way to leave Trump but I think we all know how this is going to go.

So these are sort of the positions that I'm coming in with and I don't want to necessarily litigate a lot of the like but what about right now the the angles of it. I think leaving everything aside this is not an acceptable action now and then the way Trump has behaved afterwards has made the action itself even worse. Yep and so I that's that's sort of the position I'm coming from I mean I suppose the only thing that I can say now that makes me feel I guess sticking true to my principles is that W Obama and Trump should all be prosecuted for war crimes like I guess I guess there's no other way to make sense of this sure you know like it's if we hadn't done anything

if we did something to prosecute W for his war crimes maybe we wouldn't be here maybe and we didn't do anything and we've just allowed it to deteriorate so you know our government should most of them be in jail I guess that's that yeah we've had how many my life has been spent at war right you know how many how many opportunities have we had to to do this and the extent to which we've given the executive branch carte blanche has led obviously to a situation where the Mad King can do whatever he wants this is a this is the end point of what happened in in W it does feel you know yeah this is the logical conclusion of that yeah and like I said I don't want to overanalyze stuff because I'm not I'm not equipped to

do that I'm not I am not I would be putting on airs and I'd be pretending some sort of capabilities that I don't have so without getting too deep into anything until things come up along the way I do want to say that this episode is a total mess but honestly only half of the situation that makes it a mess is because of what's going on with Iran as you might expect on a day like this of international intrigue Alex has Steve Pachanic on to get his expert opinion on things and that interview deteriorates into territory that even shocked me which is saying a lot considering Steve's recent appearances on the show where he said that representative government should go away do processes stupid

and that he was involved in the death of Yitzhak Rabin yeah that one was that one was a little bit takes a lot for Steve to shock me but suffice it to say somehow he managed to do it I'm surprised to hold on he's not claiming any involvement in the no okay because I really think he might not in the present day okay okay although he does say that he repeatedly that he's he knew the Ayatollah Khomeini before he knew personally yes okay I got you I got into his house and that the Ayatollah Khomeini said that his son was stupid yeah yeah yeah okay all right it's an interesting that's that's fucking bonkers yeah yes it is but we'll get to that when he gets in and about the second hour for now Alex starts the show

off in a very weird way because this is giant news yeah breaking and a lot of the world is having conversations about shades of 2003 right people having conversations about what does this mean are there is this legally justifiable in any way right so I'm going to go with he's going to talk about the movie oblivion no no this isn't 2013 okay he's forgotten about them okay I just figured that's a great way to go if you don't want to talk about this you talk about oblivion he's forgotten that that's a movie and now thinks it's a white paper okay all right that's right real okay no he starts out by bragging about how he's getting a lot of traffic the infowars servers are laboring right now under record

traffic as the world tunes in to here but myself and my guests are going to break down and say and what collars to this broadcast are going to say about the historic incredibly bold move that we witnessed yesterday so the president so Alex starts out on a on a pretty like hey we're getting tons of like these first point is that we're getting record traffic which first of all I don't believe maybe occur like a like a recent record or something but yeah you're not getting record traffic from your from the hey day yeah yeah yeah that's absolutely ridiculous but it is a self a grandizing opening yeah hey yes there is a lot going on in the world but right you know when big things happen in the world everyone wants

to know what I'm saying yeah that's a that's some psychopath shit is what that is I think it well I mean it's just narcissism yeah but then on the other hand I think what it is too is that like the last time Trump bombed somebody Alex got really drunk and cried on air right so I think that people are thinking like oh god this the day yeah yeah yeah I see what you're saying I think that there is a certain amount of training that people have gone under that right something crazy is going to happen right right I wouldn't be surprised if he did get a lot of eyes tuning in to be like what's he going to do yeah that would make sense yeah yeah because he is he going to finally break with Trump over this he's

already the last time he said he crammed ISIS up his dirty asshole that's true so he's got to elevate his game today right he's got to take it up and escalate and not you you think and so I would believe he's getting increased traffic but it's not people who are like I need to know what he's going to say right right I want to see a train right yeah absolutely I think that's what's going on but anyway it seems to show where his priorities are at least where his head is himself yes as usual so Alex in that clip you heard him say that this was a bold action yeah Trump drone attacking so the money sure and you know that continues he keeps calling it bold but at the beginning of the show he's trying to walk a line here

where he's not in condoning it right but it is a bold decisive move by the executor the sense that I get from listening to this and it doesn't change really throughout the entire time is that Alex is in favor of this but doesn't want to be in favor of yeah doesn't want to be like overly like yeah whoo right but is pretty in favor and I think he wants to go to war with Iran yeah that makes sense but he also doesn't want to say he wants to go to war with Iran wants say it's defensive or something quite frankly he sounds a lot like a lot of the people I remember back at the beginning of the rock yeah yeah he sounds very similar to a lot of those folks which is weird a lot of those folks are coming back

up a lot of them showing up today is crazy a lot of them showing back up makes total sense Alex Jones becoming one of them is a transform that is weird but anyway here's how Alex sort of starts this off he encourages a cerebral response I'm asking listeners to really pull back and be cerebral about this and I'm trying to do that myself also really quick this sound is terrible yeah I'm confused as to I was I was about to ask you like oh it's do we need to stop no it's atrocious that's just I don't I don't know what it I don't know what the problem is the audio is a disaster wow I'm certainly not lecturing you I'm lecturing myself and look geopolitically what's happening around the world and what

message President Trump is really sending with this not just to North Korea but also to Obama and Hillary and John Kerry that have been working with Iran publicly against President Trump and Congress and against the law and the fact that they've been encouraging Iran to attack ships sink ships and engage in massive paramilitary activity across the Middle East so I don't I don't know if people are actually doing that fuck off yeah fuck off don't don't don't do the well it's only because Obama actually made this all fucking now yeah that's that's the other thing that's really consistent first is okay this is bold and then the second thing is like this is a message to everyone and I think it is I think

yeah I'm fucking crazy yeah yeah yeah anything can happen at any time not good yeah so Alex starts talking about Iran he starts talking about the country in some pretty glowing terms but also at the same time you know how like in pro wrestling a really good opponent will talk about how great you are if you're fighting them right because they want to beat someone that they have built sure sure sure you don't want you're like the person you're in a feud against to be like you're a piece of shit you suck no because it doesn't elevate either of you matter what ends up happening it's the traveling Ronan looking for the greatest swordsman in the land in order to defeat him and test his true powers you want to put someone

over yeah and that's kind of how I feel a little bit about Alex when the way he talks about Iran throughout this episode is very much like building them up but also like they're a worthy adversary right the thing won't it be glorious when we defeat our it's a little strange and the Iranians are where the word Aryan comes from Hitler modeled his system off of the Aryan plan where they have believed for 3,000 years they have a right to rule the earth the Iranian people are very smart folks and they founded what is modern India today Pakistan they invented chess much of language astronomy and a mixture of that with expansionist Islam is a good case of cancer anyway you slice it so we already had one

guy last century saying he was an Aryan going to take over the planet and we do have that going on again I'm not saying I want to have war with Iran name is Trump saying they're the devil I'm saying that the Hezbollah militias all over the world are the most expansionist arm of Islam and are working with the globalist deep state against President Trump and America that's not being discussed the news why this happened well but that's because this is convoluted nonsense yeah I don't know is anything that he just said true well there is one little kernel of truth and that is that the word Aryan does have roots in Iranian culture okay cool because I'm pretty sure they didn't invent chess it exists as a name for one of the 16

nations mentioned in the Zoroastrian text the of esta it denotes the central Asian group that was known for being good and lawful people it's not a racial or ethnic designation it's more of a cultural descriptor in the text and the oldest known copy of that dates back to about 224 to 651 CE so this is a really ancient yeah text yeah this should absolutely not be confused with the racialized concept of Aryan that's associated with Hitler because they're completely separate ideas the notion of an Aryan race didn't come into being until like the mid 1800s and it was largely used as a vehicle to argue for Caucasian supremacy referencing back to references in the of esta that was one of the pillars of evidence that

was used okay to bolster the Caucasian Aryan right right ideas or or bullshit there we go obviously Hitler had a plan that involved Aryans and racial purity but I'm not entirely sure there was ever such a thing as an official plan called the Aryan plan I can find no references really to the Aryan plan and any official writings or serious places the only place I can find or that term comes up is like some neo-nazi blogs and a book called the holy book of Adolf Hitler for some context that book was written in 1952 by James Lerot Battersby who was a British fascist who believed that Hitler was Christ returned one wonders if that's one of the 50,000 books about World War two that Alex claims he's read man you got to be you got to be

ballsy if you think Hitler's the next Messiah you got to you that's a bold book to write if you will Dan a lot of the stuff Alex brings up in that clip is just complete muddying of historical concepts and linguistics that I really have the patience to address because there's a larger point worth mentioning Alex is literally saying that last century who had a guy who called himself an Aryan who wanted to rule the world and that it's happening again he says that he doesn't want war but everything he's saying justifies war as being the only possible outcome these are the words of a war monger who's also too much of a coward to be pro war when he feels that's his position that's that's the sense that I get it's just yeah it's if you're saying that they're if

you're saying that they're like that's just setting them up as the next Hitler right you didn't even know that they were going to be the next Hitler yesterday and today all the sudden you're bringing out Zoroastrian and nism to prove that we need to bomb them it's a mess good work dude yeah Alex every single time there's something major in the world it's a false flag this one is probably not a false flag this one is absolutely not a full okay crystal clear yet again this is not a false flag this is not a staged event but a white person did it our sovereign territory was our troops have been getting killed all over the Middle East and Africa by she got trained groups fuck you and so this is a very strong message from the president so again that makes it seem pretty

positive wow things on this seem very positive it's a strong message from the president it's not a false flag she ate militias have been killing her all over the it seems like he's justifying the act yeah more than he is analyzing it any meaningful way I'm really fucked up by this like I really don't like the same like propaganda push in 2003 I'm just feeling that from so many sides it's like I it's it's just so creeping and insidious and I hate it it is frustrated it's a no yeah but if it makes you feel any better you should take some comfort in knowing that Alex isn't taking a side on this that doesn't sound true feel very much like he is well if words have meaning then yes he is taking a side he's not taking a side so words don't have just

reviewing all the really I am not going to come on this show and choose a side of I'm for this strike or I'm against this strike and I'm not doing that to be lukewarm and to not take a side I'm doing that because I want to look at this for the perspectives of the Iranian government and the individuals running our government and talk about the different players that are involved and what has brought us to this point then at the bottom of the hour I am going to give you my personal view and what I think about this situation and where I think it's headed and what my discernment and spiritual gut level sight is on this so he's not going to take a side but the bottom of the hour he's going to take a side sure sure I like it right I'm you know what here's

what I'm hoping for I'm hoping for one-on-one combat Trump versus Khomeini we take it everybody's taken care of right no winner take all not going to work winner take all we we become Iran if the Khomeini beats up Trump we become Iran Alex should love that because he thinks Trump is unbeatable I'm sorry the old I got to chastise for that because yeah I said Khomeini yeah yeah but I yeah I think that he doesn't need to say that I'm not going to get on the show and take a side because you've already taken a side yeah like you already you're you're you it's implied all you can do is break that's all you can do yeah you can either just do what you're going to do whatever a mealy mouth nonsense this is is just a continuation of the side you're

already on yeah the only way you can say anything meaningful is be like this is it I'm done fuck this yeah and he's never going I don't know never but he's certainly not doing it on this episode yeah cuz I mean even if you even if you say you're not taking a side you're still then giving tacit permission for them to do that you know either you are against it or you are passively for it or actively for it yeah those are there's three options so Alex begins his sort of analysis about the situation with Iran and in Iraq by talking about Syria but I want first to just pull back out of the emotion myself included and I want to analyze the facts here we know that there have been six different chemical attacks that have all been confirmed to

be staged in the last five years a good two years before Trump even got into office they'd stage several and the ISIS and al Qaeda operatives would fire the chemical weapons and put out promo videos wanting to get the praise like rock stars but then the press would still blame the Syrians and the Iranians for it and we would come on air and say that is not the case that is a stage chemical attack and the UN has been forced to come out and say it and it's all been confirmed now so when Alex is talking about chemical weapons attacks he's not talking about Iran this is just about Syria yeah this is Assad yeah this is an endlessly complicated topic and I would be a little disingenuous if I were to present myself as an expert on the topic but I can tell you that I've

read up a bit on the relevant literature surrounding this and I think that the assertion that these attacks were faked is offensive Alex believes that the rebels in Syria attacked themselves with chemical weapons in order to sway world opinion against the Assad regime and prompt us attacks on Assad this is not based on any evidence really it's just kind of Alex's gut feeling and the gut feeling of some of his guests it's kind of the same thing as when Alex predicted that the globalists are going to pull off some false flags because that's what he would do if he were them when he's discussing these sorts of foreign conflicts so little of it is based on reality and so much of the analysis seems to boil down to what Alex would probably do if he was in the rebels place yeah

he would commit civilian atrocities to achieve his desired outcome so everyone must be similarly inclined absolutely it's kind of how it feels and the real giveaway that Alex is talking shit here is that he says that the UN has had to admit that these chemical weapons attacks were staged that's a bald-faced lie the only sliver of truth to it is that Russia has consistently vetoed measures in the UN Security Council to form commissions to investigate the use of chemical weapons in Syria which seems weird all Alex is doing is repeating Russian government talking points going back to at least 2013 Russia was arguing that the chemical attacks were being staged to sway public opinion against Assad which makes sense given that he's a major ally of

theirs in the region all credible investigations done by groups like the Human Rights Council and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons do not support Alex and Russia's conclusion and the UN has not had to come out and admit because Alex was so bold and reported the truth I'm pretty sure that would have been much bigger news right if the that would have been a real big news day I think we would remember that 24 hours you and admits yeah exactly false play Assad actually great dude yeah no not happening strange but that's the perception that Alex wants the audience to have and we'll get back to this a little bit later because it comes back up and we'll discuss it in a tiny bit more detailed but suffice it to say I just find that

stuff awful yeah when these guys talk it would like you can see how much damage is really possible when Alex starts talking about foreign policy because you know when you get sure he can fuck up our ability to get Medicare for all and that's going to ruin a lot of people a lot of people's lives but when he starts saying nonsense about foreign policy this is how we get into a fucking war where hundreds of thousands of people die right in violent right there are stakes to it like he's he's part of that thankfully I think he's irrelevant enough sure probably isn't having any like actual impact on decisions that are made sure but there is you know if he has a considerable audience he's leading them as a block as an electorate or you know yeah some sort

of a voting yeah yeah that enables absolutely and facilitates these kinds of actions and so that's negative no information or on no factual information he has feelings yeah exactly and that's that's not good this show is opinion based except for everything is fact right you and admitted right no but he feels like the you and admitted it right oh God so Alex believes that what the message Trump is sending and this whole thing is about China is the real issue Middle East isn't even an issue we don't even give a shit about them anymore really that's his angle on it it's yeah there's a there's a kernel of it okay Trump is really pragmatically saying we're not gonna do this in the Middle East is not an issue we're already energy independent in the US we

need to pivot to deal with China they're the real threat and the globalist want to divert us and our military and our blood into that sand trap I know we've touched on this in the past but Alex is parroting a disingenuous Trump talking point here that just is unacceptable to let stand he's trying to present the idea that Trump is above the fray because now the US is energy independent so we don't even need to worry about the Middle East which is kind of a fucked up notion on its face and it does seem to imply that our only interests would be yeah that which is I find I find fucked up in yeah something that Trump himself has said but the reality here is that we're not energy independent per se Alex is confusing that with our trend towards becoming a net exporter of oil

which isn't the same thing according to foreign policy we still imported approximately a million barrels of oil per day from Saudi Arabia in 2018 the generally agreed upon definition of energy independence is that we would be producing more energy than we consume and during a couple months of last year that was something that we achieved but this isn't a Trump thing though it's been a long trend in process in the process with steady rises and energy production and relative stability and energy consumption going all the way back through Obama's entire presidency I don't believe that Alex is using the term energy dependence independence in that context though it feels more like he's saying that we don't import anything or we could just create all our energy ourselves

which is definitively false yeah it does sound like he's saying if if the United States were suddenly cut off from the entire world we'd be fine yeah yeah that is the image that he's hoping to present yeah that's just not true no like we export a whole lot of the energy that we produce so in order to meet our consumption needs we still bring in a ton of foreign energy products without which we'd be completely fucked yeah so well that's why when you see the straight of corn moves taken down for five hours that's a hundred million dollars and all that you know everything is disrupt disrupted right massively and quickly and even if we're in that exporter of oil it doesn't mean that we're immune to fluctuations in oil price at the global market

yeah so all this stuff is interconnected in ways that Alex is just sort of poo pooing yeah and it's not a good perspective I mean again that comes back to this type of shit where it's like if if you are incapable of understanding the new one just like you know neither you nor I are going to claim to have good policy making ideas or experience for foreign policy in countries that we have no history with nope but somehow this dude will fucking say he knows what's going on because he thinks it's simple it's simple like oh well you hit him there and then that done that's done he's cracked this code that he can't explain unless he had 20 pages of paper and then he could give you a brief sketch of it but he knows it all it's all that he's yeah yeah absolutely and

that's why the inputs create such easy outputs of course it's all very simple in his head but there's just so much that he's just willfully ignoring or unaware of it's hard to tell but whatever it is it's stupid yeah anyway we're only at this position we're in right now with Iran because these double dealing globalists I really don't feel like that's true I think the people who got us here we're very straightforward and direct in their desire to start a war double dealing global oh I didn't think so and so why have we gotten to this point because the deep state the permanent bureaucracy the CFR the Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of it that works closely with the neocons everyone but the guy who bordered with Iran Barack Obama Hillary

Clinton Fiona Hill the general McMaster types they have been working publicly in shadow diplomacy to derail everything that Trump's trying to do to bring real daytime and a stalemate and an armistice and a ceasefire in Africa in the Middle East and in the globalist strategy of the Arab Spring of breaking Europe's borders of flooding Turkey and of destabilization that clip is a prime example of Alex saying nothing he's accusing vague factions like the quote Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of the CFR sure they're working for a with Iran for destabilization but what is he saying what does that mean what the fuck other than word salad is Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of the CFR who happens to work with neocons it's

not word salad it's a very very specific group of people so I think maybe three or four people fit that bill right when you get that many qualifiers into it no because they're all inclusive it's everybody it can't be everybody everybody why do you need that many modifiers just say globalist left even beyond even beyond that concern what is focused on right talking about what is he talking about what are Obama Hillary Fiona Hill and the general McMaster types doing Alex is saying they're working publicly in shadow diplomacy but what does that mean it can mean whatever you need it to mean to your listener yeah whatever you think it is yeah hey you remember how Kerry worked on the Iran nuclear deal she that's

what it's talking about true bullshit it's all it's all just him throwing in a bunch of words to give you the idea that it's anybody's fault the Trump well it is not his fault nothing is his fault that's a big piece of it but I think the larger thing is that vagueness is a weapon for someone like Alex he can just rattle off a list of his enemies names make some meaninglessly vague accusations about things they're doing that match whatever the hot button topic of the day is then he can move along acting like he knows everything and he said something but he hasn't said shit this isn't doesn't mean anything nope anyway I wish he'd be more specific but I feel like it doesn't mean anything doesn't mean an opinion

so the thing is that what Trump is doing is that he's letting these these governments like North Korea sure North Korea putting them on blast is letting them know that this is the carrot or the stick okay and Trump is letting Iran know just like the situation with North Korea that carrot or the stick if you stop all this the sanctions will go away and we'll work with you if you keep escalating and working with the deep state the international globalist system through the chai comms to embarrass America and to sabotage us and to bankrupt our military in our country we're going to confront you when you're militarily expanding and when you proportionately start attacking us we proportionately attack you

it's going to escalate until we use bunker buster bombs to kill the moolahs in Tehran and that's something these individuals understand and get this is war enabling nonsense like for one thing alexa saying that these countries are working with his globalist enemies so trump is putting sanctions on them which will go away if they play ball and if not trump's going to drop a big bomb on them that seems like a pretty far cry from the sort of anti intervention is posturing alex you stay engaged in shit it's a far cry from his constant reasonably fair attacks on the united states government for the the over the sanctions that were applied to iraq that killed so many civilians absolutely alex brings that up all

the fucking time mm-hmm this seems very not in line with that as for north korea i don't see how that's a good analog here if you look at the real world trumps meetings with kim jung-un have not really done anything there's no positive outcome in it for the united states and only positives for north korea just the other day on january first npr reported on a speech carried by the korean central news agency where kim jung-un had announced that he quote no longer feels bound by a self-imposed moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile testing the story goes on to say quote kcna quoted kim is saying there was no reason to remain committed to his moratorium because the us had not reciprocated but it continued

to hold joint military drills with the south with south korea and send advanced weapons to the south in situations like this what trump is doing is not saying a it's the character of the stick what he's doing is providing a pretext which rogue actors can use to justify horrible shit trump pulled out of the iran nuclear deal unilaterally and imposed harsh sanctions on them when according to all experts on the matter iran was complying with the deal trump made some kind of a deal with kim jung-un which un feels has not been honored both of these are examples of really shitty foreign relations which make the possibility of an outbreak of hostilities more likely than they were before trump isn't trying to create peace

he's fucking with people then the civilians are the ones who are going to pay the price ultimately this is ghoulish stuff and for alex to cheer lead this sort of bullshit is pretty upsetting yeah it's pretty bad yeah i i mean it's it's kind of mind-boggling it really is and even that thought process of like oh well we did something stupid so they're going to respond proportionally and we can respond proportionally in that and that's that's just that's just dumb i mean it's just really really dumb we have all of human history to point out how dumb that is it's in a we can't boil down global conflict into a hat fields versus the mccoy situation alex wants to take one i take one and we just

do this forever and ever right that's fucking incredible yeah and it's not right no no it's not right it's not ready we trump just fucking presses a button and a dude dies and that means that because of that because trump is a fucking lunatic now people who have nothing to do with that shit are going to die that's just a or at least are far more likely the situation we find ourselves in is one of escalation as opposed to yeah closer to progress and there's no way that you can negotiate anything with trump now it doesn't it doesn't seem like it if with if you're i ran there's no way to negotiate fuck the iran party no yeah yeah exactly anybody yeah you're anybody why would you yeah yeah you can't trust any

you can't oh okay we've negotiated this well anything that he's ever negotiated he's just reneged on so you can only even deescalate this war after trump is gone right that's it and and even then you probably be a little bit wary because who's the next president is he gonna just decide to tear up this agreement to yeah you know I don't I don't know it's fucked up yeah it sets really the the the sort of optics of it are really troubling for but I guess that's kind of the end result of us having such a deemphasis on diplomacy yeah particularly the last few years yeah I it's just it's just a mess it is well and truly fucked up yeah but see the thing is the globalists right the ones are doing all

this I really feel like it's still just trump in his his guys no no no no no no but I really do okay never mind so the globalists wanted to embarrass trump with the situation at the embassy in Iraq that was that was their plan but now trump has gone and done this assassination right which ruined the globalists plans or blocked it somehow now we're gonna listen to this clip I would posit that the way alex is framing this is very much a positive thing if his blood enemies are the globalists and they were trying to embarrass his hero and his hero stopped their plans to embarrass it through this assassination right it must be a good thing they want to use iran to embarrass trump just like jimmy carter was in 1979 and

trump has acted decisively so far to block that and for now is winning the political war but what will happen in the next phase are you afraid to go to the mailbox because a letter after letter from the irs cut up by the break there man is a lot of commercials about one syllable away from cutting a cutting to break on time and it's it's just ghastly I just I see that alex is caught like he's pretty regularly giving lip service to the idea of like we don't know what comes next that kind of thing we don't know how they're going to respond sure it's a dangerous possibility but at the same time everything that he's he's he's putting this the language surrounding it is trump made a big political win yeah

it's a bold move and there's jesus the surrounding adjectives that he uses are very positive it's a it's a soft pressure campaign to influence people into thinking that regardless of whether or not they want war with iran trump is right trump is right to do what he did right and you know why it's defensive in a certain sense because the ayatollah he taunted trump and what did the ayatollah say to trump he taunted trump before the salamone strike said you nothing you can't do anything now why would he say that again think about the treason people that claim they're american citizens even their globalist of john carrey and barack obama who traveled the world from korea to japan to china to iran to israel to germany to

the uk to canada to argentina brazil saying don't listen to trump he's going to be gone soon he's a loser he's an idiot in fact if you embarrass him by sinking some ships in the strato hormuz or in the persian gulf that'll help remove him back at home and he's not going to get the backing so john carrey and obama apparently not u.s citizens because they're globalists who run all over the world like little carmen san diego's whispering into world leaders ears that they should embarrass trump are you listening to this childish horseship i'm i'm boggled yeah this is bananas here again alex is using vagueness as a weapon okay so you're asserting the carrey and obama told these foreign heads of state to sink ships

in the streets of hormuz prove it that's a serious accusation that alex can in no way substantiate pass saying that's how i feel yeah i feel that that's the case if you read the tea leaves get the fuck out of here yeah back that statement up or or retract that shit there's there's really i i don't know if we've heard a good present day episode where i don't think we have at least middling grounds for a live for a defamation lawsuit and the public figures there's a part of our foreign relations community that almost certainly has been putting out a vibe of like trump's going to be gone eventually but that's probably because he's threatening longstanding alliances and relationships between countries yeah people who've dedicated

their lives to international relations work aren't going to see trump get elected watch him rant about how our closest allies aren't paying enough into nato and just shrug and be like well i guess he's the boss now this is what we do yeah that's not against their lives work yeah of course they would be trying to reassure people that they have longstanding relations with they're like hey please please look i know whatever but the accusation that any of them are going to go around and tell countries to commit provocative actions like sinking ships that really needs to be substantiated and alex is never going to do that because he's making this shit up look the issue is to that the these iranian mullahs their duplicitous

and in talking about that alex drops in phrase it's interesting i mean when you think about the iranian mullahs and triple quadruple games of chess it's it's not even strategic it's mental illness straight shooting is the most sophisticated thing in the universe innocence is the most sophisticated thing it's so simple it's complex these guys don't get it they don't get the christian or anglo saxon legos or nexus or or genesis very sad it's very smart folks just to point this out i've never heard alex talk about logos before and you can tell that he's new to the concept because he pronounced it legos that's e michael jones shit alex is drifting in that territory right he's drifting in that direction i the idea that he's talking

about these iranian mullahs mullahs not having anglo saxon legos yeah is that's not good that's a pretty bad sign oh man i i what is what is this what is he zen now i guess the the most complex thing is this simplicity yeah shut the be like water say words or stop right don't even tell me about straight shooting when you're just lying to my face all the time and later and later he's going to talk about trump like being engaged in this four d chest stuff where it's like he makes a move but it's really about something like that's not straight shooting yes but straight shooting is the best way to trick people into thinking that you're straight shooting everything is like fucking convoluted and unsensical and he's accusing obama and

carrie and the general like master types of going around and telling iran to sink ships and stuff like that so it makes it more funny when he says this about why yeah people don't want him on air please remember how we reach new people is when you share the links at info wars dot com four slash show band dot video and the alex jones section more that's how we reach new people remember they're trying to ban this show because we're really covering real facts and the establishment doesn't want you thinking about how the world really works who the different factions are they just want you to mindlessly take a side well we do have a side and it's called the truth like to remind you that we mindlessly took i'd like to remind you that under oath when

asked about his show he said that it's mostly opinion and he's just talking about his feelings but no they want me off air because this is the truth i'm telling you how the world really works fuck out of here yeah so alex comes back from break and he's talking about how iran is muscling through the middle east and how eventually then it's going to be the west essentially saying that this is a world domination plan when you're using rhetoric like this and this is the way you're framing things it really is a justification for a war yeah and i don't think that that is an unfair way to characterize what's behind what he's saying iran is muscling its way through the middle east it believes it can topple the other islamic regimes

and if that happens you'll have an organized islamic force even more deadly with three billion muslims ready to take over what's left of the rotting west so long term taking iran out of the control of the islamicist that captured the secular country and 70 plus percent in internal polls hate it and if we could take that away from the radical islamicist that'd be a big victory for humanity wouldn't it wow so yeah i mean like the unpopularity of the regime in iran is not really a justification for this at all now i don't know i don't i don't feel like this argument is very good well all i can tell you is that every other time that the united states has fucked around with regime change and i ran it is worked out perfectly and every time that you've we've

prefaced things with like you know hey the people would really love it if we did we're lying it's not really worked out that way no no no there's if you if you watch if you watch those videos of people screaming death to america and you don't at least go well i understand how we got here than your disingenuous liar like that's the only way so one of the things i think was probably the one of the hardest hurdles that alex needs to clear is the fact that trump did this without informing congress right like that's pretty problematic for alex's beliefs about the war powers right that the president should or should not have right he likes the constitution right loves it loves it can't get it i can't get enough are we sure about that he bathes in the constitution

don't think that's true either it's not but it turns out that this secrecy was totally fine and alex will tell you why he's not telling anybody what's going on he's fired the moles and the national security council he's not really Pelosi and the house and senate intelligence committee what he's doing now you know why because they're globalist a lot of them and they're leaking the information oh fun i didn't know that that was all you needed that's all the excuse you needed to subvert the constitution all you need everyone is they're all molds i've just decided they're all global they're all moles cool i think what we should do is target political enemies call them traders and remove them from power that's how you get a more perfect democracy dan sure

i i guess that all of alex's like protestations about former military actions that were taken without the approval of congress could all just be you know it's no big deal is along those were globalists yeah we just say that hey he would have told congress but they're globalist cool i great it's really kind of funny to me that as as brexit is going on it's it's like boris johnson is trying to sell england into a united states colony and at the same time the united states has a bunch of people trying to turn the president into a kink so it's a it's a twist of events i find that's weird yeah um so alex gets down to the business and he keeps calling the decision that trump made bold and i i think that that's something worth highlighting and so it's very

bold to not just sink some iranian patrol boat or hit some militia with some more fighter jets that's what that's what bill clinton did when he was very unpopular in an impeachment yes you know they're running the headlines everywhere which i think we should look at bring up that parallel those headlines ones on drudgerport.com of bill clinton impeach bombs iraq impeachment voted house delayed as clinton launches iraq airstrike so the military need to move swiftly but you see nothing can actually happen in iraq when he did that already bombed an aspirin factory in sudan before that as a distraction and that was confirmed this is real what they've been attacked the embassy was attacked because they've been probing and we've

been putting up with it and so instead of bombing an aspirin factory trump boldly killed the leader of the organization that has sleeper cells inside the united states and inside europe and and now that's the gamble they may really strike even though that'll blow up in their face and the us will retaliate even bigger and it's going to escalate into a wider regional war they're definitely going to try to block the straight over moose and drive up oil prices that's already starting to happen and so this is a really bad decision but it's one of the best decisions you could make out of a list of even worse decisions so just for fun steve pecanic when he's on later alex brings up the idea of sleeper cells and sees like that's not a big deal so that might be a little

bit of a okay disagreement on the on the show that'll happen so largely i would agree with alex that this was a bad decision but i'm going to take issue with the characterization that it was the best on a list of worst choices considering there was an actual list according to the new york times and it was supposedly the worst on that list and almost comically the worst on that list it would be fucked up if we did this yeah exactly it's on the list yeah sure the us embassy was targeted and that's not good and you'd think that you'd need to do something to respond to that but assassinating an iranian government official i don't even think that should be on the list of possible choices particularly considering that that standoff at the embassy had already ended by

the time trump ordered the drone strikes according to usa today quote militia leaders with the popular mobilization forces ultimately ordered supporters to retreat declaring the demonstration a win in the battle to expel us troops from iraq there was no immediate threat there was a situation to deal with so targeted assassination is probably not appropriate i'm not certain i know specifically what a good decision would have been but that's only because i would never be in this situation we find ourselves in to begin with none of this would probably be happening if trump hadn't arbitrarily exited the iran nuclear deal and then applied severe sanctions which kind of destroys the framework that was building for our two countries to become a have a have a stronger

understanding and hopefully some sort of progress between the two after that point yeah i guess all options are bad but still this was not the best of a list of bad choices i just feel like alex is trying to rationalize the possibility of an upcoming war yeah absolutely that's really all i feel he's he's setting the groundwork so he can be like yeah it's the final war it's the holy war we're taking it jesus is coming back and create um at least some sort of a pretense that he didn't want it to come to this yeah this is all it feels i i don't know what would be the best reaction but i know if i were somebody who went on air every day and screamed about jesus and god uh for several hours i would at least look into what jesus would feel about the war drones don't come up in the

bible that's true i guess jesus would be fine with it now that said um alex has been very against drone stuff yes in the past right he took it and probably fairly rightly absolutely took obama to to ask about the drone programs alex doesn't seem to be too concerned with that now and now he calls this piece through strength but let's roll some of the footage of the strike re from the reaper drones the robot did the killing and then we'll show you some of the footage from the ground as well but those guys thought they were untouchable they thought they were working with the deep state they thought trump was weak well now they think different so i think trump who's shown real restraint when the deep state's trying to set him up with this iran conflict let

them know hey we're serious and so you better understand that when you escalate it's going to get a lot more serious from there and on and i think that's piece through strength it's a gamble things could go desperately wrong i think we're going to find out very very soon how they're going to respond they've got to respond to look strong i don't care about any of that stuff it's nonsense oh the robot did the killing yep great yep so um alex already has brought up the parallel to uh clinton when he was under impeachment uh bombing some stuff and apparently uh aoc alexander acazia cortez has come out and said that trump is wagging the dog yes and alex takes great issue with her comments i uh hmm oh by the way she's saying that trump's doing this to wag the

dog um clinton was super unpopular not true by the system trump's super popular i've been saying that for you not true now even their own internal poll show he's just insanely popular every democrat i know that is a person who has it stop it stop it iq above room temperature supports trump now because the democrats are so dangerous grow there has been a systemic break with the democrats everyone knows they work for the globalist in hate america i don't i don't know like what kind of self-selecting democrats hang out with alex i don't i can't imagine there being any none if you were you'd probably just be like yeah trump's great yeah don't want to fight yeah yeah there's no way to i'm coming around there's no conversation to have there and if you

still want to maintain a friendship with uh for instance like uh my family i'm just like dogs are fun you guys have kids great say nothing else i don't know if you know this jordan but gallup keeps historical data of presidential approval ratings week by week for pretty much all modern presidents that you can easily look up which i decided to do clearly if i recall correctly in 1998 bill clinton had a negative five percent approval rating so look more people dead did not approve of him right alex is going on about how trump isn't wagging the dog because he's super popular whereas bill clinton was because he was uh he was super unpopular uh when he went out abomin yeah when froggy went out according uh and uh clinton went out abomin so right now

trump has a 42.5 percent approval rating with a 53 percent disapproval rating according to the aggregate compiled by 538 according to real clear politics they have their listing of recent polls literally none of them have trump with a net positive approval number the average of their polls have trump at a negative seven and uh the only glimmer of hope is a recent rasmussen uh poll at the end of 2019 to put trump at even numbers 50 50 and it should be pointed out that this was not a poll of registered voters just people who said they were likely to vote so whatever it's a rasmussen poll so you've got a what there's a little plus three bias on that a little bit something like that there's a slight uh conservative trend yeah but not like yeah not terribly yeah

so politico has trump at negative 15 nbc wall street journalize him at negative 10 the economist at negative nine his numbers are not good these approval ratings are decidedly underwater and with the level of dislike trump has it's pretty high so the odds of him turning things around aren't good there's just not many people he could sway at this point yeah and didn't bill get up to like 70 at one point that dude was wildly popular for a while so the movie wag the dog was released very shortly before uh uh clinton launched operation infinite reach which involved bombings in afghanistan and sudan this operation began on august 20th 1998 at which point clinton's approval rating was 65 approval and 30 disapproval by december 1998 clinton was admits to his impeachment

trial in that setting he started bombing a rock which again made people think of the movie that bombing campaign started on december 16th 1998 at which point clinton's approval rating was 63 approval and 33 disapproval after that bombing campaign his numbers jumped to 73 approval but they quickly came back to the high to mid 60s almost immediately after january 1996 clinton never had an approval rating lower than 50 at no point during his dog wagging phase was clinton's approval rating anywhere near as bad as trumps is right now alex is either in complete denial or he's gaslighting his audience into thinking his hero is actually beloved yeah there's no other way to whatever the case this isn't reality this is his feelings that's that's not even false that's

upside down reality that's the complete inversion of reality yep absolutely yeah so we get more talk of how bold this was from trump here and then after this alex starts taking calls and i think this is where the show starts to get a little bit like oh no okay oh no all right so here's our last sort of normal period of the show where alex is pretending to be covering the iran situation but not really doing much of anything well president trump did something very bold yesterday instead of blowing up some chi militia in response to their attack on the u.s. embassy he killed solemony who's basically the leader of the islamic republic of iran they say he's the number two guy but he he ran the show and i know this song now guys so he now alex is escalating this to he is the head

of iran yeah so like this makes it even more of a severe yeah yeah we assassinated the leader of a sovereign nation and that's a bold move dan that shouldn't be something that alex says no no no that's fine it's be it just be like if we assassinated g gping that be fine dan as long as it might be fine with i actually think he would be fine with that okay fine let's go with fucking i mean there's angela merck i think he'd be fine with that too he does not like dammit dammit it's a very serious thing even in reality and the way alex is framing it escalates things even further and he's normalizing and rationalizing that which is pretty scary yeah it's we're what what what is too far nothing nothing so alex goes to the phones and this first caller that he takes is a fan and he feels like alex

betrayed him a little bit i hope so thanks for calling what's on your mind i just really worried about the direction we're headed right now looks like we've drifted a long way since since ron paul if i could just start off real quick just so you know that my wife says i'm your biggest fan so well i'm a big fan of you folks keeping where you're defined to the globalist so god bless you brother i've spent thousands thousands on your store i could probably give you the best product push you've ever had but well that will give us the product push i haven't done one yet this hour and you know we're barely keeping the size we are so we need folks to buy the products they're great products which

products you like best i think i have almost every one of your products but i can't i can't do a push for your products right now i can't uh i understand i thought i was just you were sig weighing i mean if you'd like to go ahead sure what's your take on you said drone strikes obama sleeper cells do process so real quick before we get to his answer that moment is heartbreaking that moment of push your products right now yeah i've been your biggest fan i've spent thousands of dollars at your store my wife says i'm your biggest fan all this like and alex is like oh this is going to be he doesn't even recognize the like i like the he doesn't know the meaning of that no no it's like hey you want to do a plug let's do it yeah alex now's not the time you're not

understanding me yeah i'm trying to tell you yeah and he alex should recognize this he opened the call by saying we've drifted a long way from the ron paul day right like alex should be keenly aware that this caller is not calling to compliment him sure um but he doesn't recognize um and here's here's what the caller is to say i just feel like we've just a long way from you know pulling out and becoming uh just really responsible uh but no i understand but they've got us caught sir they've got here's the deal i don't want this war i don't like what happened yesterday okay you know it doesn't make me get excited yeah in a way of like feeling tough and powerful but yet at the same time you understand that the globalists are working with iran at a certain

level to try to make trump look stupid and they can only make him look stupid by uh coercing him into a war uh that's the best way to make him and our entire party has become very very different from uh from where we were when we were with uh when we were supporting ron paul and ed just and that is the way it is so i think that this caller it doesn't what he does is something really interesting which is a rebuttal within alex's framework yeah because even if you do believe that the globalists are trying to manipulate this shit the answer within the framework is well the only way that that is successful is if trump goes to war yeah so don't support this shit yeah like even within alex's constructed world of of intrigue and and conspiracy

still he's doing the wrong thing yeah yeah i think this caller like i mean yeah wrong about stuff and i feel bad he spent all that money at the store yeah but i i do i think there's point that we've come a long way from ron paul is accurate dead on and that alex's behavior is a contradiction of so much of what you would expect his brand to be if you've been a fan of his for a long time and it would be completely different if alex one day had gotten on air and been like look i know we've been one thing for a really long time but i realize that's not it that's like what i was saying along like for if he invalidated a large portion of his past intentionally to like i have recognized that the true path is through yeah antagonizing the muslim

world if he had a soul of tarsus moment if he was yeah exactly like if if he had something like that then it would make it a lot more understandable for the fans because they could then assess do i want to come along for this or do i want to say hey this isn't for me anymore right and alex isn't allowing his audience that opportunity and i think that that's probably not good yeah what he just said there i i constitute is almost abuse like that like hey no no no i understand like because then he recognized oh no i'm i'm getting attacked from my own my own folk here for my massive failings and he's like no no no i don't want to war either but we have to have a war as the globalists and you know nobody you've never heard that before you've never heard anybody say that they don't

want a war and we have to have one they always say they want a war right right yeah it's and this isn't the only caller that expresses some pretty pretty good disapproval i mean today or that friday is he's got to be like listening to that has to be a massive betrayal of everything that they believe among other betrayals yeah i think i think it's getting to a point i'm only guessing here just imagining what it would be like to be one of his listeners if you are somebody who has a modicum of awareness and thinks a bit yeah it would be very difficult to experience this constant dissonance yeah between what this was supposed to be and what alex is doing and i think it would be really difficult to not feel like when if alex isn't going to say enough at some

point yeah when do i yeah what is the point at which i realize that this is off the rails yeah and if i say enough to alex do i say enough to trump do i say enough to everything what do what am i saying enough to when i say enough to alex it's it's an interesting situation that i would imagine a number of his listeners are in i don't i don't know it would be just guessing to say like it's a lot of them or yeah but at least based on the calls on this episode it seems like there is at least some of that sentiment that's getting through on air yeah i think it's pretty interesting like if i if anytime i try and put myself in that mindset regardless of like the beliefs or opinions or anything with no uh contacts there it just has to be an identity crisis sure like

that's the only way that i can like empathize with a alex jones listener beyond you know it's just imagine if all of a sudden bernie sanders is like actually this war is fucking great you know that's an identity crisis there like who the fuck is this guy yeah or or something even more sort of slippery like like what alex is doing yeah this war isn't great but we have to do yeah yeah to be even more like who are you man i've heard those words before from the mouths of people you said were evil so alex takes another call and this guy believes that we owe iran overthrowing their government because of the shaw or something because of the other times we've overthrown their government we did bad the last time right so we need to make up for it right by getting rid

of the ito as everybody knows a repeating history is a brilliant idea it certainly is yeah it just says they got rid of the shaw i think us uh owes the iranian people basically a pay back to the itos because they brought him in and i think us needs to help the iranian people just empower them like harm them send them well that's why we're trying to support the restart movement what do you think about that group so this caller claims to be the child of a former iranian counterintelligence couple like his parents were counterintelligence in the iranian regime they were driven out of the country when the itola came to power right i have no idea if that's true or not this is just a random person calling into a very dumb radio show so take that claim however you feel like taking it

whatever the reality is i'm certain that alex would have argued against his parents immigrating to the united states oh yeah if he had a chance to back them the only reason i cut this clip is because alex at the end there is voicing support for something i've not heard him express support for which is the restart iran movement restart iran was started by saeed mohammed husaini a former game show host who wants to restart the country according to a 2018 piece in bloomberg he hasn't been to iran since 2011 and quote today he lives in america and urges iranians to burn mosques and to face police stations hmm husaini began spreading like our mosques in iran okay i got you husaini began spreading his message on telegram ultimately having his account removed

after encouraging people to throw rocks through government buildings and film it to post with his hashtag which telegram considered a quote vandalism contest that just got him a warning though after which point he raised the stakes and told his followers to throw molotov cocktails into mosques that might be too far all in all he seems like a pretty fucked up dude that sounds like it i don't particularly want to litigate the properness of violent protest in the face of an oppressive regime since i accept there are good arguments on both sides of that discussion however i do think that someone like husaini trying to encourage that kind of behavior while living in the united states and not having been to iran and about a decade is something that i

find to not be a good model for positive social progress probably not i think that alex just likes husaini because he has publicly compared himself to trump a number of times in the past highlighting how they're both former tv stars who want to improve their countries alex is painfully susceptible to people who make their brand i'm x country's version of trump yeah he just can't and it's catnip to him yeah he's like oh i love you yeah it's ridiculous and if they're famous true he is a he is very much a star fucker that does seem to be the case yeah so this caller says that you know hey trump we gotta support him because there's got to be imaginary intelligence that we don't know about no there doesn't when will people learn

there doesn't have to be imaginary intelligence well they're willing to lie well there's imaginary intelligence don't get it twisted and then this person the conversation steers into divine provenance we can't just say okay look at this one issue and say he's made a bad decision now you know should i vote for him should i not vote for him we cannot waver because there's so much he cannot tell us that intel can't tell us there's so much going on that if we did know everything that's going on we would say oh i completely understand we need to have trust and faith god i personally believe that god has chosen trump to be the president of united states and he will lead us down these dark paths but soon to come there will be light i personally believe

that okay okay oh you should stop believing that yeah i would i strongly disagree when you're on a show that's complaining about a theocracy in iran yes don't say that your president was chosen by god i don't understand why there's a problem there there's a slight problem right that's i would say that that is a purely unacceptable way of thinking yeah you know like yes regardless of just that idea of like well you know he made one bad decision so we still have to support him is like okay he put green peppers on the pizza that and you don't like green peppers i get it you still support the guy's president he starts world war three i think then we need to start talking about other option i even understand you know i even understand that kind of mentality

being acceptable in terms of like kind of border cases yeah you know like there's sometimes geopolitical decisions that have really negative consequences that may or may not be justifiable yeah and in those cases you can kind of take a position of hey that was really bad but right that's that doesn't make you right but i don't think that applies there's a difference of process versus results true you know like a that's why it's important to show your work right exactly and that's why it's important i rely on vague ideas of imaginary intelligence exactly but i do agree with the premise that the caller is saying and that is that there's a ton of stuff we don't know sure now sure it's left to be seen until we know whether or not the the secret stuff yeah is

exculpatory or makes trump look worse yeah yeah it's unclear it's unclear and this guy's instant assumption is they're like well yeah everything that we don't know justifies all this and that's why we got to keep uh keep supporting the god king it's like no i'm just boggled by that idea of anytime somebody has asked for evidence from trump regarding any possible thing it is always worse for him right there is nothing nobody's ever been like oh well this evidence proves trump is it's either we're not going to share any evidence or the evidence we do share makes him look like a psychopath seems that way yeah so there's a preoccupation that the embassy situation in bagdad was supposed to be trumps ben gazi this is something that keeps coming up this comparing

ben gazi to the embassy and you see that here a little bit the neocons in the cia wanted a war so they made a little pact with their leftist friends in the cia that they could have a bunch um you know a ben gazi situation but either way the deep state wins and then trump trump comes out of left field he's like i'll just kill their leaders so he totally you know ran a scyop on the deep state and won and projected american power boosted in fact richard i'm so glad you called because right before i went live i even wrote notes that i was gonna say this that if people think they're 3d chess you just saw it from trump this smells of trump it's him i get chills i mean i mean i agree it smells of him let's not start you know what and yet like the wolf says in

paul fiction but right now it looks like a master stroke by trump just saying master stroke this caller is laughing about the uh the the attack this is all very positive stuff like i there isn't really outside of a couple of callers who are like you know expressing the thing like the guy who's like we've drifted from ron paul yeah type stuff there's not as much negative uh expression and when it does come it comes in like really fucked up ways like the next caller let's just go ahead and get to that because this is kind of a negative like this attack wasn't good but the way it it it's expressed is deeply deeply troubling first off with iran we need to treat iran like a beef nest what do you do with a beef nest in your yard you have two options either stay away from it

or wait until the evening comes let every bee come home to nest and then spray it kill every single one and destroy the nest these iranians they literally believe that it's up to them to bring the apocalypse in the end of the world and if they can do this they win they believe that the 12th e-mom is just going to show up in iran and save them all so this caller is expressing like this attack isn't good because what you need to do is leave him alone or commit genocide yeah this is not acceptable stuff to be like discussing on this radio show that this is not like alex shouldn't be like alex engages with the bees nest metaphor after this like there you shouldn't be doing that you should push back on that this guy is explicitly using a metaphor that is

eradicating isolation or eradication one of the two those are the only two options because all iranians are good to you know they want to bring the end of the world and that just is not that there's no way there's no way that there that that can be appropriate as conversation no i i just don't i just don't man i don't i because i'm i'm on a very uh difficult like i that's just psychopathic murderers shit like you can't oh it's genocide that's right but i mean look this guy's this guy's an idiot whatever you know he's never going to be able to to do genocide or anything but that thought process is very much you know in his world fucking psychopathic murderers shit all right and i would not i complained about it i

want to be in a domestic relationship with him my complaint about it is twofold one it's a horrible perspective that this caller has and two when alex allows callers to call in and express these sorts of things and not push back on him and not discuss why that is a dangerous idea it has the effect of normalizing it yeah it has the effect of like oh that is a position that alex deemed worth entertaining yeah and for any impressionable listeners they're going to be much less shocked by the concept of extermination and just the way that it's being discussed yeah like this fucked up this is a tragedy even if you think that even if you think honestly in the long term that this is better this is all a fucking tragedy and it should be talked about as such

yeah and it should center on the civilians and the absolute who are absolutely being foisted into this position by this geopolitical shit yeah um so i would argue that i mean we're recording this on the fifth we're five days into the 2020 and i'm not into it i i did think that 2019 was a bad year but 2020 is really shaping up to be a news it's a small sample size so maybe the year will get bad you know hey it's it's an intense beginning to the year sure um alex has a slightly different take sure one thing for sure 2020 has just gonna be amazing i mean and and i think every way and just mythically the iconography uh the just the the numbers alone uh it's it's gonna be incredible it already is uh let's go ahead now and take another call here so i think that it's

gonna be incredible in his position because i mean how did he start the show record traffic yeah these sorts of events have a tendency towards giving him hope that his business is viable right right here's gonna be incredible right nobody knows what the hell is going on so uh let's see what the crazy person has to say let's he's willing to give us cold comfort sure yeah so let's take a little break sure from the show and enjoy a commercial so i was listening to i accidentally left it on during the commercials uh during the feed and it turns out the ted anderson the no the guy who runs genesis communications network and formerly mitis resources before he had his gold sale license revoked by the state of minnesota and alex had to probably help him pay off some

some legal fees maybe um anyway this guy still running scams okay i was gonna say i i didn't i kind of thought he faded into the background but i i have a reason to believe that he was the reason that alex did that um sort of infomercial with junez because alex and the info wars brand didn't seem to end up working with junez right but genesis communications network did okay on the genesis communications feed of alex's show you'll hear commercials where george nori promotes the info wars life or i'm sorry the genesis uh life the junez well yeah it is genesis but sold through genesis communications network so george nori from coast coast am has cut a commercial for them that airs and so that seems to be maybe the scam

that ted is on more these days ted is more on the pyramid scheme it seems like the mlm multi-level marketing is there but he's got another thing cooking and it's a little bit of a sweepstakes how would you like to hit the range tomorrow with a brand new gun because the united states concealed carry association wants to give you a free gun right now that's right completely free the us cca is here to give every responsibly armed american the education training legal and financial protection they need and today they're giving you not one but four free chances to win one thousand dollars simply text gcn to eighty seven two twenty two to get entered now and you'll get four free chances to win one thousand dollars for any gun you want i think they have to do that

because it might be illegal to have a say have a gun sweepstick yeah i was gonna say i uh yeah i don't think you're allowed to just give away guns also so there's two things that are interesting about this one is this is bullshit but in second it tells me that genesis communications can't be in good financial positioning because if they were why would ted anderson do this voiceover himself that's not good at this no he's not a good voice that's a creepy voice he has leads me to suspect he can't hire a voiceover actor or i don't know i could see him thinking he was great i could see him you know i could totally see him being one of those like local car dealer guys is like i'm fucking amazing on tv in that case you would probably hear some sort of music in the background

there might be so that's a good point there might be a the fingerprints of an editor right maybe i don't know whatever the case it doesn't look good anyway sign up to win a gun or a thousand dollar is a thousand dollars not good enough i'm fine with a thousand dollars why do you got to say i guess i guess it just needs to be attracted because it's being presented targeted concealed yeah yeah organization or whatever it's a targeted ad for yeah so alex comes back from break with a new gun he's a thousand dollars which are yep we've not heard him talk about the news that broke about his sanctions in the sandy hook case right hundred thousand dollars or so that he brought upon himself sure now's the day to get into that apparently so alex decides here on this

january third episode where he's been about bullshit about it's literally almost like that's the version that's his version of wagging the dock so alex is i'm gonna i don't i hesitate to explain this ahead of time for fear that it might ruin some of the surprise but alex's position on it is that there's a message media blitz about this story they're trying to present in people's minds that he lost the sandy hook lawsuit and that the cia is behind it that is basically disagree with all three of those but i think he's got a good maybe maybe he'll convince you okay and i haven't spent a lot of time on this but i really need to i make him into a special report tomorrow just on it they put me on every news channel and every newspaper in the country i've

randomly checked it what okay and you understand only the deep state cia can do that trump still doesn't have damn control of it that the same group attacks him constantly uh and you're like well why can't he stop me he's the president he's ordered it they just won't quit that's it's crazy they had me on from nine at night until about two a.m while the ball dropped they had scrolls saying alex jones found guilty of lying about sandy hook parents that's not even true it was just some attorney's fees thing because the judge said i we didn't answer the questions like we're supposed to and that's not accurate either we're like what is your source of the cnn video hold cnn who is the source who gave it to you oh you didn't tell us oh we need 68 thousand

dollars and 37 thousand dollars and i mean it's a joke evil but that turns into jones is guilty of the sandy hook why would they do that why would they take an 11 day old ruling that had been the local paper that meant nothing was the last year of this judge you know just attacking us in my view ah and the lawyers i know that they've never seen anything like this is insane i mean imagine a deposition they ask you a question and you don't know because the statute of limitations is like two years we're asking about seven-year-old videos just like we don't know it's a video we edited years ago we don't know you don't have the source

of that this is do you have violated the court order you have go to school 37 thousand dollars 20 thousand dollars in the rage to destroy the first amendment in their trump derangement syndrome but that isn't the issue yes i'm persecuted yes they pay people to tell outrageous lies about me but why we're about your calls amazing calls it's because folks we really know we're talking about i'm right about everything i and that's why i say under oath that my show is mostly opinion and my emotions i can talking about my feelings the only thing that an attorney would say it would respond to with this is unbelievable i've never seen this before is rob do's deposition right that's the only thing that you could say otherwise everything

else makes perfect sense no no no i mean if you were a lawyer and you were like reviewing alex's behavior in this case you're like this is unbelievable unreal i'm going to make a killing and barns is going good work barns i get to take over yeah it would be like this is unbelievable what a what a payday this would be if i just keep his he's god it's unreal yeah i mean what what i find really interesting is that like the news of this didn't break on new year's eve no this is like alex clearly i'm guessing maybe he didn't see the stories when they first came i just had no awareness i guess not i don't imagine that the ball was dropping and that people were covering alex's court case no no no no no this is the narcissism yeah and he's having a little bit of a breakdown

about it in the middle of this show he really does i don't know i don't know what it is but he's convinced that the cia is behind pushing stories about him being sanctioned now that is one possibility see another possibility is that people enjoy these kinds of stories there's a shot of right yeah that people experience like you got yours yeah yeah yeah i don't i i i i think listen into that what confuses me is i really do think he fundamentally doesn't understand some of what's going on that's because he only reads headlines right i mean with his own case that's because he only reads the headline yeah that's probably about them that's probably fair i think like but there's some stuff he's lying about yes but there's some stuff he re i

really don't think he understands yeah that's what i'm saying that's what i say go to school i really think he just doesn't but like i don't it can't be explained to him yeah what's wrong there he's he's because when he says like oh you can't say i don't know in a deposition i know i mean you know you can yeah a corporate representative right can't really find give me your sources well i don't have to have sources no you were required to provide your sources it's by so you are violating exactly court order the thing that i keep i keep bumping my head up against is like i think it's impossible to discern whether or not he understands this or not yeah there'll be some sort of a tell eventually maybe but at this point i find it to be opaque yeah and it would just be guessing

is it it's a possibility that he doesn't understand what people are requiring of him yeah and it's also possible that he's willfully lying about everything absolutely it i think both are going on yeah it could be elements of both yeah anyway this leads to alex ranting about how great his show is because they really know what's going on in the world and you know what it's evidence to buy how great his callers are and how they don't like him today and how popular he is they don't like him talk radio has callers like this CNN can't get any good callers my callers are better than fox news is best guest we've really got the thinkers we've got the best guest we've got the best crew we're real number one podcast 2017 Joe Rogan number one podcast 2019 Joe Rogan which

was the number one ever in all time that's in the news why wasn't our number one in 2018 he didn't have me on so when alex says that it's in the news that his appearance on rogan was the top podcast in the world in 2019 he's being kind of a dick it wasn't in the news he's referring to a blog post on national file which is a website run by his employee tom papper and it's it's in the in the article it says of alex's second appearance on rogan quote the podcast has since accumulated over 16 million views on youtube making it the most viewed podcast in the entire world in 2019 elon musk's episode with rogan has 28 million views but in fairness that was in september 2018 so it doesn't count for 2019 sure sure for some comparison gordon ramsey

shack and billy ailish's episodes of hot ones all have way more views than alex did on rogan billy ailish is sitting at 29 million views on gordon ramsey at 49 million so i don't know i guess it comes down to what you call a podcast i'm sure there are other examples of shows that got way way more views than alex on rogan but i don't have the patience to come up with more examples i really am suffice it to say there's a little bit of a scale right right i'm mad because now i have to watch all three episodes because i'm fairly certain shex has to be the best one it's pretty good it has to be the best one i enjoyed i think one of the most recent one i don't really watch that as much as i used to i was really charmed for a while and it kind of

but on a guest by guest basis stone cold steve austin was on not too long ago it seems like a very charming man yeah anyway the the national file post it really is just an absurd act of naval gazing being carried out by an organization with explicit ties to alex himself it's just a puff piece that really comes off looking desperate since all it really covers is how many people watched alex on rogan it also includes a graphic that rogan put out that includes the most liked and disliked episodes of the year which the post comments on saying that alex's appearance was quote the most liked joe rogan experience youtube video of the year of course the graphic also shows that alex's episode is the fifth most disliked right but the article doesn't feel the need to

interrupt the good times it's more about it's it's not about press right it's about all press if i'm being perfectly honest the entire post is just begging rogan to rebook alex the giveaway is a comment that alex very generously provided this totally legitimate news outlet how did they get a hold of alex it's a big gift he is not answering a lot of calls recently quote speaking to the national file jones said quote that just shows how popular liberty and freedom are the only question is will alex jones be back in 2020 wow rebook me wow right that's that's that's desperate also i don't trust the last line of this article quote though websites are often vague about releasing the total number of plays of individual podcast episodes national file was able to confirm that

alex jones returns was the most listened to and most downloaded joe rogan experience podcast of all time how exactly did they confirm that the only person who gave comment for this story is alex himself so i'm guessing that maybe he confirmed that for them on background because i just cannot imagine joe rogan giving this kind of private business detail away to the fucking national file no what he did was joe alex texted him and he was like that was the most watched ever right and joe was like yeah sure whatever and then you confirm it with national file done still not i am an amazing journalist still not a good chain of information amazing journalist but simply this is just rampant narcissism and desperation on full display just what alex is feeling and he he's

having a breakdown about this like in the middle of the episode make no mistake about it you just start screaming about how he can't lie to people people love freedom and even my obnoxious loud mouth texan ass because i'm real and the obnoxiousness in all of it is endearing i know just like your obnoxiousness is endearing because you know what it's real folks there's nothing fake here in fact i'm so damn real i sometimes want to control myself i sometimes want to act a different way i sometimes i can't i can't control myself i'm a maniac it's all real i'm totally real he says in control he lies people out there they can't stand that you see and they also don't like the fact they can't scare me and they don't like the fact they can't scare you but let me just tell you

i've studied war propaganda and how the globalists do stuff folks i think they are probably i need to go to your calls but i need to probably do a special report so i don't cut into the main broadcast time in your calls but i think they're getting ready to do a false flag and blame me and they and they might kill me and i i'm only and i'm not sad to be dramatic and if that happens i'm not a loser i'm a winner i don't want to die by the way i'm not gonna commit suicide but you know what i mean they don't do that unless they got something big planned let me tell you something i was on every news station in the country i checked randomly what does that mean hundreds randomly how did you check 100 that means the folks running the

show they're fighting trump v being we're talking cia the highest level brennan and those folks they've got a plan and they're assassinating my character in my name ahead of trying to kill me alex does this anytime there's like some bad press about him he starts talking about how they're trying to assassinate his name before they kill him right this is like really tired stuff he says this a lot like he has for quite a while now but like it's really extreme now the level of like the way he's delivering this the the pressured speech the the there's a mania to it yeah that i don't normally see that doesn't it doesn't strike me as meaning that he he he feels it more yeah just more there's there's more of extremeness to the performance of this narrative

that he's used many times in the past yeah like whenever he was going through his custody hearing he was saying that all these stories about him that it's all just a setup to make him look bad before they kill him sure like it's just constant over and over but this is narcissism this is that that's all this is it's it's a fully on display yeah the cia planted stories about alex having to pay a hundred thousand dollars for doing a bad job in the deposition the being like like really an affront to the court yeah less yeah and they're doing that because they're got a john brennan has a false flag planned and he's going to kill alex this is this is childish shit right here this is this in the middle of an episode that is covering some yeah serious yeah this is i would i

would venture to say anybody listening to this show like if you take the first let's say hour so seriously where alex is getting into the geopolitical scene and trump made a bold move and then out of nowhere he just starts talking about how the cia is going to kill him and have a false flag right you should like really step back and be like is this someone who is healthy i'm sure those are two things of equal historical importance right and i'm also but you know they say in an infinite universe all things are possible but a malignant narcissist admitting that he is at fault for his own demise doesn't seem like one of them well i mean his demise was predestined okay he made an arrangement with god it turns out well he's going to talk about it in this next all right like already

we had a situation where it's like what you're saying is is disturbing yeah and now it takes on like an even more disturbing character every newspaper that's in this these networks because they get an order it comes in and it's like hey push this and they do it and they did that to us again i mean so i'm not sure exactly what's going on but they usually do that when they overthrow your government or they assassinate you and so that's obviously the work we've done to get under this much attack i mean i i gotta be honest with you it's not a pride thing it's a satisfaction thing of a job well done that wow i really counted for something man i i really i did a decent job and our listeners boosted our transmission you did

this too so if they do kill me or whatever you know just keep the mission going on and i'm not a loser they don't win by killing me or whatever it is they got planned but it's it's bad so in the new year i thought i'd just go ahead and tell you that because i just gotta tell you everything and i'm not doing it to be dramatic folks it's it's real okay i mean that's the wings of death flapping around you can just hear them and uh fine whatever you know just don't let me see you coming because i'm gonna fight for my life but it's just nothing to me because i expected this a long time ago i told you i got on my knees a lot of times and i said i feel evil i see what it i want to defeat it god and i want people to wake up and and god literally told me it was like i've said

this for 20 years literally you're going to trigger the whole movement to take down the globalist and you're gonna inspire others to do it and then you're gonna be destroyed in the end so you sure you want that and uh i mean i said this on her 20 years ago and i've literally heard god's voice in my head and when those times you know it i mean it's like okay you want this because you're gonna get really torn to pieces at the end of it but it's gonna be really good and i'm so i don't know this is the end of it i don't know that's what this is or whatever it is but you know what hey i asked for it and i actually like it this is a mess wow yeah you're talking to me or you're talking to you buddy this is a mess that's right that's the thought that's an internal

monologue somebody has while sad looking at the window on a bus mm-hmm yeah i mean like you already have i gotta be honest when i when i look at stuff like that and the way alex is presenting all this like the cia is going to kill me and do a false flag because i'm too right about everything and they hate how popular i am and i made a deal with god literally reasons ago that i was going to trigger the end of the globalist but i would be destroyed in the process very reasonable i kind of feel like maybe he's gonna fake his death or something like that and disappear i think he's thought about it i would be i think he's definitely thought about it yeah yeah i i mean that whole like they're gonna stage a false flag attack and kill me is like are you gonna stage

a false flag attack i don't want a false flag attack but a false yeah yeah exactly yeah i don't know it it makes me like i know that probably a part of this is that i find alex to be a pretty boring person in the present day yeah so it makes my mind sort of go off in directions of like and wait what might he try be trying to say i what might you know preparing the audience right and it seems to me like this would be preparing the audience for you just someday to not be there yeah now obviously to see i john brennan isn't planning to kill alex no some ludicrous but if alex could find a way to kill himself that would implicate john brennan god man that's that's a yeah that's a coup right there then i become an idea yeah then i win yeah i'm like an idea can't

be killed i'm like some general martyr so alex has this little bit of a breakdown where his narcissism is really just running wild yeah and it's very disturbing but not nearly as disturbing as what happens when he sits down with one steve pacenek of all days to no of course you're gonna have steve if he's back in your orbit of course you're gonna come on on this day oh now some of the stuff he says is about what i would have expected right some of it i could not have expected in a million years i'm the king of south america now that would be great i would enjoy that that would be fun that would be fun so here's alex just introducing him all right riding shotgun with us for this hour is dr steve pacenek he's gonna be back on the war room today i really appreciate him

giving us so much of his time in the new year he really is an interesting character his new memoir is out i went and downloaded it last week and read it over christmas and i know a lot of history and it's just amazing how many things this guy has been involved in you didn't you didn't read that i don't believe alex read that memoir it is i will i will say not having read it it is amazing how many things he claims to have been part of yeah so i didn't think that steve would be opposed to this sure this assassination i figured he'd probably be in favor of it but i also kind of figured he would be against war right especially with Iran right because it seems outside of what he i i but i i wasn't too surprised by his reaction as much as i've criticized uh the issues

of going to war particularly 9 11 a lot of the problems that arose as a result of the iran hostage seeds 9 11 really has come to fruition right now i am for the assassination of sulamani i would have done it a little bit more elegantly i would have done the fuck up that's kind of what i would have expected though shut the fuck up that that's kind of the response i expected from steve yeah it's fine but a little bit ghost yeah a little tacky the way this was carried out that's yeah yeah that's that's the fucking uh bullshit spy version of mark wallberg saying he would have stopped 9 11 if he was on the plane and meanwhile fuck you one head of state that we do know that steve was involved in the death of aldo moro was not done elegantly no it was very inelegant yeah so i don't know if

you're one to talk so steve thinks that this is great and it sends a message but alex has been talking about this sending a message to like north korea and other heads of state steve is more focused on how it's going to send a message to the youth of iran and i'm not going to interrupt you in a moment because i want you to build a role because you are a leading expert on this but you're saying my gut level visual reaction is right thing to do uh lets the deep state know they're not going to play double deals with iran against the us is a message to north korea on so many fronts trump made the right move absolutely but more importantly it's a message to the children and the young people in iran that we're with them and in fact that we're really with them but we will help them to dispose

of the leader i told him a knee so i'm not sure if steve is just talking shit wow but this sounds very reminiscent of the talk in the lead up to the iraq war yeah coming out like back then it was coming out of the mouths of people he hates liberators will be greeted as liberators this saddam usin is a terrible terrible dictator once we get rid of him the people will come to us and flock and say thank you america there's absolutely no way that the entire region will be screaming death to america yeah so like even leaving aside the level of that stupid parallel like recent data sets that were put out by iran poll and the university of maryland found that 86 percent of iranians have unfavorable views of the united states as opposed to 13 percent who have favorable

i'm surprised it's that low right the favorable number has been steadily heading downward since a high of 31 percent in august 2015 and the unfavorable number has been similarly spiking since a low that same month at 67 percent i would i i'm going to go with maybe something happened in 2016 to 2017 that made that opinion it's what it's uh yeah yeah maybe yeah steve is talking absolute shit no matter how bad the ruler in iran is it's absurd to imagine particularly at this point in history after all we've been through that any country is just going to be like hooray the us is here to liberate us yeah no kidding that's just not a response you should be selling to people because people around the world have had plenty of examples when things didn't quite go that way

yeah that's like that's like hooray the british are going to draw our boundaries no not a good not a good thing it's a it's a strange position for steve to have because it's very counter to a lot of the things that have been rhetorical tet posts tet poles for them over the years so alex realizes as he's talking to steve that richard haas of the cfr the council on foreign relations has warned that this could lead to war yes and alex has an iffy response to this let me raise that it's an article up on info wars dot com ball joseph watson cfr president says the world will be a battlefield after iran escalation and so you've been a member of the cfr you resigned it for 9 11 for the fact that they were involved in it richard in haas and uh they are really the

establishments trying to give trump a backhanded attack i thought they love war so much but i guess they didn't make this call why why doesn't the establishment like what just happened dr pacinic a couple quick points to raise here first alex says that steve left the council on foreign relations after 9 11 because he knew they were involved in the attack this is complete bullshit and it's wildly irresponsible for steve not to correct alex immediately in steve's first interview with alex from april 24th 2002 alex asks steve about being a member of the cfr steve replies that it used to be an elite organization like 15 to 20 years prior but quote i haven't attended a meeting in well over a year or two because it's become very much a rotary club basically it's

the same people returning saying the same thing and eventually i found it a very little help it was an organization basically designed not to influence or direct everything steve clearly was telling alex that he hasn't been to a cfr meeting in well over a year or two and even if you take the most conservative estimate of time uh that he's describing that would be pre 9 11 so what alex is saying is bullshit maybe it's bullshit that steve has since told alex and alex doesn't realize it's a contradiction of steve's original story or maybe alex is just making it up knowing that steve probably won't correct him they have the bond of two liars who are both totally aware that the other person is just as full of shit as the other it's the safest relationship in the world

oh yeah two people who know the other one could fuck the other yeah exactly yeah second there's no there's no prin prisoner's dilemma here it's just two guys knowing we're fucked second point maybe alex thinks that all his globalist cfr democrat enemies are all in favor of wars because that's the characterization he's imagined of them and this characterization is not in line with reality maybe sometimes you end up creating an enemy to fight but then the real world version of them is out of step with how you pretend they act and then you find yourself in this situation trying to come up with a conspiracy for why this president of the cfr is opposed to attacking iran yeah it's nonsense there's a very simple explanation always it's based on complexity as

opposed to these simplistic uh cartoonish sketches he draws of his enemies it's nonsense so steve did not leave the cfr because of nine eleven and knowing that they were complicit he has a responsibility to correct alex on that because it's bullshit and it's totally wrong i honestly don't even know i can't confirm that he was even he was i can confirm he was okay i'll believe i found his name in the membership role all right i will believe oh no for sure okay but that makes sense i mean he was a state department official yeah for sure he had a consulting business and right i know i'm saying like there's tons of people in it it's not like some sort of a right hundred person shadowy group right thousands of members i understand and steve's assessment of it like

being a rotary club or like people make connections and stuff like that that's not too far off from a lot of sounds right yeah from a lot of people i've heard talk about it now steve does not refute alex's they did nine eleven and that's why you left in fact he says i did leave because of nine eleven which is not true now this clip also includes steve saying something that i find to be a big problem it's it's nonsensical i left it not only because of nine eleven i left it because it's pathetic organization and richard has is the paramount pathetic jew who talks a lot but never served our country so why does steve feel the need to call steve a i'm sorry haus a paramount pathetic jew how's his jewishness relevant to the conversation about the cfr at all i didn't bring this up

before because steve is jewish himself and sometimes it hasn't felt as pronounced as this there's a bit of a trend lately where steve's pointing out people's jewishness particularly when criticizing or insulting them i'd given it a pass but in this instance it's really glaring there's no reason to bring up whether or not the head of the cfr who you're painting as a nefarious international cabal at war with america is jewish and there's no excuse for making it a compound insult as steve does pathetic jew i don't know what this means per se but it really worried me when i heard that that's not that's not good i oh boy they are really done they're done saying the quiet like they're all in on saying the quiet part loud now it felt that wow when i heard him

say that i was like that's that that was jarring yes i didn't expect to hear the hard j the quite quite as vociferously yeah as it was yeah that was somebody who was tearing into that it was pretty bad yeah that was a stake of a j right there so alex and steve decide to take some calls and they get a call from a farmer in virginia who has a similar approach or similar feeling sort of to the caller who chastised alex at the beginning oh okay good okay good he has a he has a sense that but his angle on it i was waiting for him for you to be like no well he's it's like when there's the first frost on your crops hold on you got to destroy the sun in order to make sure hold on he is also he has a bad egg okay he has a bad angle there we go he is not as

sort of grounded as that other caller presented himself or it's like we've come a long way from ron paul right what is going on right the party is not the same right this guy has a little bit of a worse critique but it really fucks alex up i'm 31 year old farmer in virginia and my community has really been hit hard in my lifetime my population has been replaced with brown people that speak a different language to me uh with friends and family have died from heroin overdoses the family farms are going away um and we believe in trump these are supposed to be america first and i believe in you and i feel like crying right now because i have stickers your info war stickers in my truck i buy your products but you really let me down with this whole situation and you sound

like a fool going in circles trying to cover for israel and trying to make sense of all this when you know it's not right and i love you alex but this isn't right and you need to get on your hands and knees and repent to your audience and apologize this is nuts and you know it's nuts so i told you guys a bad position yeah that alex is in favor of attacking ron because he is shilling for yeah yeah so that is bad i was really i was really doing all right there for a second well i mean i was disappointed but that that's the angle that it took but i kind of should have known because the guy was saying i'm being surrounded by brown people yeah like it's clearly a racist farmer yeah and of course he's gonna be like ah you just work for the jews yeah it's it's

like this isn't good but alex is very sensitive to those sorts of criticisms there there is a especially on a high tension day like this yeah he has a bit of a response to this like it doesn't happen immediately but it throws him for a complete loop where he has to get super defensive about absolutely about like i look i do now work for israel in fact and then everything goes crazy everything falls completely apart yeah that sounds right but here's alex's immediate reaction which i would say is also not good well justin well justin let me respond okay i'm fighting the fentanyl coming into the country and and so is trump um and iran has a dictatorship that just mowed down 600 of their own people uh communist china has a dictatorship with two million muslims in

concentration camp hold on hold on who cares i know i'm not a globalist the globalism is for this world government i'm for america but america still has interest in and i don't want these wars and i've given you my honest view on what trump did uh and i've had played with hucker carlson had to say and i get his perspective and we've had collars that agree and disagree we're not a cult where we're one thing or we're the other we're trying to have a discussion okay so so quantify why i need to get down on my knees i'm gonna get under steve pacinic's take on this because what i've done so that's not a good response because no the the arguments that he has are we're fighting the fentanyl coming in but that's not all the opiate crisis it's a much larger picture to it

than just the fentanyl you scapegoating fentanyl because you hate china yep now granted fentanyl is a problem and absolutely the it should be agreed it should be a part of the conversation now secondarily the other thing is iran has dictators there's dictators over there and china has a dictator and the collars response to that i mean like in this alex jones nationalism world the correct response is who cares yep in terms of anti interventionalist yep just strict nationalism yep your response is who cares my response to that is not who cares but it should be alex exactly yeah yeah yeah it kind of should be you know why and and that's the other thing but that's the problem with this he doesn't know why he should get on on his knees and pray and he's pissed about

it maybe he doesn't like it but this this like i mean i i disagree entirely with this caller but this is the problem when you have this america first obsession and this nationalist focus yeah it becomes very difficult to have a meaningful understanding with the people who are listening to you why you should care about foreign affairs why you should care about what's going on in other countries because it does appear to be not nationalist yeah to the adherents of it and so alex is trying to walk this line of like we have interests elsewhere elsewhere even if it is america first and this caller does not give a fuck about this yeah i am it's still bad that he thinks that alex is just doing this because of israel though yeah i know that is not good i was i

i was really getting close to being a like i feel bad for the for the caller it's totally because he's very clearly i mean both of these callers are talking about this buyer's remorse yeah they got con yeah they're there's not so much money of all these stickers and what are you fucking doing man yeah they got conned yeah i don't and i hate it when you know it's fun when rich people get conned out of all their money because fuck them but this dude is just this dude's just living the shit life with the rest of us and he gets a racist farmer in virginia yeah it's too easy to it's too easy to con racist farmers that's just the reality of it well steve has some advice because alex does go to get steve's take on this and i would say that steve's advice is next to meaningless

let's get steve's take doc you want to comment on what he's saying here well with all due respect i came out of the same area this gentleman comes from virginia if he has a problem i understand virginia it's a disaster of a state now i do what i did i moved to the south i moved to florida to texas the northeast virginia naryland new york california virginia part of the northeast it will all be finished for simple reasons you have governors who are totally ineffectual at the local level you're totally ineffectual you don't have commissioners who can do roads or do anything else you can complain sir but the bottom line is very simple you come down to the south you come down to where we have no taxes and we carry guns i think you'll be a happier man but don't blame alex jones don't

blame alex jones move to the south oh boy this is a great example of steve not addressing the issue that we're addressing the wrong issue which makes me think that maybe he's not a good hostage negotiator i don't think so if that's the approach to the the conversation and you'll see in this next clip the caller is not interested in that level yeah go fuck yourself steve yeah yeah yeah so alex at the beginning of this clip alex is trying to express that he feels like what happened was a measured response sure that trump carried out sure and then there's a bit of a backlash to the caller because he kind of just ignores that in response to steve telling him to move to the south i got really mad when trump bombed that little chemical base in syria because i thought it meant

a huge war like it always does in the past he did that to silence the hawks and to then make the enemies back off and it was a measured response and it worked really well okay now if this gets expansive i'm not going to be happy i think this is a measured response i don't like seeing the trips being upped it could go bad but but i don't understand how how how you think i'm betraying you being pro war i'm not telling trump what to do and i you see how this unfolds with steve because steve i'm staying in virginia because my family's been here since the 1700s i'm fighting i'm either fighting or that's all this to it but we this isn't america first we got to get out of all this stuff it is enough alex and you know it is and well i think what pacenic's

saying is is if that regime goes down and they get a populist regime in tehran that will absolutely stabilize a lot of the middle east and you won't have that what steve was saying and saudi arabia won't have the excuse to be on the warpath is that an accurate statement here have you done a pacenic yeah okay so yeah we just need to install a populist leader in iran and that will settle everything i i i i'm boggled this is ludicrous i mean like i i disagree with the caller about everything it's the same thing with the other caller yeah it was like well within the framework that alex has constructed that is the response you're supposed to have yeah and this caller is more true to what alex has presented and preached for a very long time and so there is this dissonance

between what the caller is being like this is what we were this is what this was about this is what this is the logical endpoint of this shit right and you are now no longer on board with what you have left the audience yeah and that should be a big warning sign for alex you would think instead he gets really mad so it is it is kind of funny to listen to these callers because it's a little bit like and i think what we should do is switch to a socialist form of government based around economic safety for all of its people and not just focused on the few and that's because we need to stop israeli like no i get we i mean that's another danger of doing business in this like weird conspiracy space especially when so many of your narratives rely on anti-semitic

shit from history like a ton of this stuff is going to appeal to people who are like not just politically against some of the things that the government of israel does they're going to have a much larger view of that right in the conspiracy space and that's dangerous because yeah you'll end up running afoul of it eventually well it always will be turned on you eventually yeah it's especially dangerous now because of of a certain listlessness you know on on the left of somebody who's who's very much i i'm anti-interventionist i'm anti i want to i want to follow new sources that give me this anti-interventionist rhetoric that i like and it also in oh uh oh it turns out that there are also the the anti-interventionists are also nazis you just you just wandered in and

now you're you know it's the same like eco-fascism where it's like yeah it's like it's the same danger of overlapping with people you are you or you should not be you should not make common cause yeah the enemy of my enemy is not my friend yeah it's something to keep keep an eye on it's something to be very careful about because it is probably going to be a bigger issue oh yeah moving forward at least unless i mean there's a there is a possibility that iran does not respond in some super provocative way sure that is a possibility in all of this it seems unlikely possibly in the as we sit here right now but it is a possibility and in that case all of this will be much less pronounced less heightened but we'll see anyway alex wants the benefit of the

doubt from this caller and i don't think the caller is having any of that shit to be always says he's cleaning up the problems the deep state created by the hating he's tying up the loose ends and if he doesn't then we'll start getting upset i mean i mean just and i think you gotta give us a little bit you know i mean a little bit more benefit of the doubt here no the room let's just stop with this with this stuff okay just and i appreciate your call i gotta move on to other people all right all right i gotta move on to the people it's very interesting calls and that's how you're able to call in cnn and stuff when they take calls it's all controlled you just called in you're on the air that's what info wars is not a cult um not a cult but i am going to insist

like you should give me the benefit of the doubt and when you start responding and clearly or not i'm going to talk over you and hang up on you yeah so cool i mean it's one thing to have like a little bit of dissent and stuff like that on the show but when you're not really even engaging with it it's doesn't it doesn't really count for much yeah but they go to commercial and they come back and alex gives a very defensive rant about israel and it's pretty standard stuff for him it's kind of along the lines of like everybody's obsessed with israel i always make accuse me of like just because i do x y or z it's it's pretty standard stuff and i don't find it notable at all he goes on that rant a bit i've heard it many times it's only notable because steve is there

and this oh no makes steve start talking about some of his view no about israel and we've already got a hard j from steve i don't want to hear about israel right oh boy let me put it this way israel created a myth about judieism about the holocaust that you know i've talked about it before the american jew really doesn't understand what the holocaust is he makes up numbers of six million but the fact is bb has grew up in america israel has its own problems we're not there to help is israel israel is going to have to deal with israel and now and they did not do well in 2000 i have rounded up mosad operatives and i put them in prison i've also warned mosad that they could not get involved in 9 11 afterwards i put them in prison really do that so i would really i would say name

names then yeah because if they're in prison then there's public records yeah when would you be in a law enforcement capacity after 9 11 what the fuck are you talking about bullshit fuck off now beyond that i don't want to put this too bluntly so i'm just going to come out and say that more steve is talking the more worried i am i don't know too many people outside holocaust denial communities who talk about the holocaust as a myth i know that he's not saying that it didn't happen but what he's engaging in here is very standard behavior you would see from more savvy holocaust deniers it's not look i'm not saying that the holocaust didn't happen i'm just saying that they inflated the numbers to make it look like it's worse than it really was look i'm against any holocaust but

i'm also against liars i i don't recall this being a part of steve's character that we've seen on the show previously so this really now this is this really really freaks me out is it is like that has this always been there or is this somehow he's even more radicalized than i think it's probably something that's been there but like hasn't come out yeah like i i don't i don't know i don't know i mean it has to be something that he's felt for a while i can't imagine this being a new revelation i guess i don't know that how many people are suddenly you know they you used to be a republican and then three years later we need we need a religious theocracy and we need to you know it didn't take long for a lot of people to get fucked up i think calling the holocaust a myth

that the state of israel uses that's a weekend thing a lot of freshman college girls do that they go out to florida they spend the spring break holocaust is a myth they come back they get back to work for someone who's pretending to be such a geopolitical expert as steve i don't feel like this could be a late career development also how is it that how could you possibly square the events of his earlier career in the state department with the ability to believe that the holocaust didn't happen you can't he's not well he's not like he's not honest about anything no so it gets worse yeah i'll just say that okay unless you learn your history as you said alex you're going to be a fool and you will just repeat the nonsense of israel israel didn't take in any holocaust shoes they

didn't want it when the warrior was asked by eichmann who spoke kibru he said do you want three to four hundred thousand of these people in the camps he said no i'd rather have pigs steve's playing a little fast and loose with details here there were many jewish refugees who were not allowed in during and after world war two but he's placing the blame in the wrong place that wasn't israel's fault primarily because israel didn't exist yet yeah wasn't that us at the time the area was the mandate for palestine or mandatory palestine and it was run by the british the british government put in place restrictive immigration policies in the form of the white paper of 1939 which set a maximum of 15 000 immigrants who could enter the mandate each year

if you look back at that period with present ayes you would think that the countries of the world would immediately open their doors to these people who were being systematically killed but that was not the case there were very few countries that were willing to take in a vast number of refugees fleeing from germany and austria and this continued even after the war hundreds of thousands of people who'd just survived something unthinkable were put in displaced persons camps having nowhere to go and very few options then in 1948 the state of israel was established and in the first few years approximately 140 000 holocaust survivors immigrated there and were led in david ben gurion was the first prime minister of israel but until its formation in 1948 he had no formal office in

the government in the mandate for palestine he was just a prominent figure in the jewish community there he would have literally no authority to negotiate immigration deals with eichmann who incidentally was living and hiding at that point in rural germany before fleeing to argentina what i'm saying is that there's no real point in history when ben gurion and eichmann could have had a reason to negotiate something like this i was trying to find places where this 300 000 number might come up because he's saying they had this yeah conversation to this offer of 300 000 people from the camps rather have pigs etc and one of the only places i can find that that number is in an interview that ben gurion did in march 1960 published in the spring 1997 issue of israel

studies in it he says quote 12 years ago the jewish state was established first we took in 300 000 european jews from the displaced persons camps it's basically the opposite of what steve is saying yeah he's he's saying that we we did right um i don't want to say that steve is making this up but i kind of think steve is making this up i do want to say that steve is making it up you can definitely make an argument that the non-access powers did not step up to help refugees who are in desperate need during world war two and that argument has been made by many scholars like david wyman in his book the abandonment of the jews that's a fine discussion to have and honestly having that conversation should really make someone like alex or steve where you think

their current positions on immigration what's not okay is what steve is doing unless he can cite his source on this alleged negotiation between david ben gurion and eichman then i have to assume this is just bullshit that's designed to rewrite the events of the holocaust and there's a name for that i don't know what name it's not a good name oh okay so now steve starts ranting about how there are a bunch of jews and hitler's army i really don't like steve no i think he's uh he's really going i think he's taken a turn i think this is i am no longer interested in him we've gone a long way from ron paul that's for fucking sure i don't think that steve is a fun crazy anymore jesus so anyway this is not go home and tell your mother you're brilliant no he rants a bit

here uh and it's all boof and ironically guess who was the leader of taking away the jews a man by the name of hydric an austrian jew so we're then here stop saying that word like that over 146 000 jews two out of the five field commanders i'm getting tired of this we're jew that was the big secret that the hitler was really a Rothschild and i've looked into it it's true so the idea that there were jews serving within the army of the third rite is not like a controversial no that thing i mean yeah historically it's not something that you'd say it'd be like uh uh uh it's yeah right now steve sounds like he's auditioning for a role in the fucking yeah right in the same way that there are a non-white white supremacist yeah there are there you know it's a phenomenon that

happens that to your brain doesn't make sense yeah but it did exist you're not there in the context whatever yeah what's happening here is more of steve blaming the jews for the holocaust yes it's coming out here which is not good i think he might have taken a real serious turn or maybe he's just been in the past better to able better able to hide this part of his beliefs because i i'm shocked by that yeah this is crazy whatever the case is i'm primarily interested in that last clip and alex has claimed that he's looked into it and that hitler was a Rothschild that's true i wonder where he's looked into this because it's absolutely 100 percent bullshit and it's a theory i've definitely heard put forth by some fairly neo-nazi sites

oh hitler's father that's all i got for that hitler's father a lois uh shekel gruber was born out of wedlock without a father on his baptismal registry which makes his parentage a open question who uh who was hitler's grandfather right however the theory that his father was a Rothschild is based solely and i stress solely on a rumor that his mother maria and shekel gruber was uh she'd been a servant for some unspecified time at the home of baron roth child in vienna there's no proof that she had actually ever been a servant there there's no evidence that this timeline would match up even if she had and there's no proof that maria got pregnant by baron roth child giving birth to hitler's father this is fantasy stuff and it was kind of tabloid rumor shit in the 1930s

it is not true and it has just continued as conspiracy bullshit to the present day this story got a little bit of credibility after the nuremberg trials when hitler's lawyer hawns frank told the tale while waiting to be hung he was going to be executed well yeah yeah yeah so as he was waiting he wasn't the court appointed defense lawyer he was he was a yeah he was his barn he was he was a participant so as the story goes hitler can find it confided in frank that he was being blackmailed by his nephew that he that the nephew was going to reveal that hitler was jewish so he enlisted frank to look into the accusation yeah frank said he found that hitler's grandmother gave birth while working in the home of a jewish family in the city of gras in austria uh by this family was

by the name of frankenburger frank claimed that the head of the household had paid child support to maria for years because he knew that his son was the child's father sure none of this story matches up with historical records though as historian ian kershaw points out in his book hubris this would have been in the 1830s but jewish people weren't allowed to live in gras until the 1860s so there wouldn't be any jewish families of wealth living there at the time there was also no family named frankenburger living there at the time and the next closest thing was frankenreiter but uh they weren't jewish no serious person takes his story as being anything close to accurate and this story has far more credibility to it than the rothchild one right since at least it's a fake story being

told by a real associate yeah yeah the rothchild thing is just completely made up dna tests have shown that hitler probably did have some jewish ancestry but that's not surprising given the time period and the geography yeah the area and it doesn't prove anything close to what alex is claiming i've seen this argument presented in some neo-nazi leaning circles and that immediately doesn't quite make sense aren't these guys supposed to love hitler and some of them do yeah sure sure yeah the best i can but not if he was jewish well the best that i can make of this is that these people are really into the anti-semitism not so much the figurehead right so believing that hitler was secretly a jew allows you to retain that anti-semitism while still having a handy

reason to not feel so bad about the fact that hitler lost world war two yeah it was a setup that kind of thing so i think that there is a certain subset of that community sure that scapegoats the loss of world war two on the fact that hitler was a rothchild secret jewish person all along sure sure he was just leading all us noble whites down the path of destruction or whatever it's tough to say that you're the master super race and lose i guess sure you need an excuse for that and this is one of the handy ones that i've seen employed this segment is flying off the fucking rails man i thought we were going to be digging into an episode where alex just talks about how trump is totally cool to go to war and steve shows up in this fucking thing termed super

crypto nazi yeah i did not see this one coming of all the things that i thought might have happened today steve pacenic showing up and denying the holocaust not on the list i totally like at the beginning this episode i said steve shocked me yeah this is what i was saying even then i was like okay steve is going to shock me still didn't see holocaust denial coming still didn't see it coming yeah that's pretty amazing to put it plainly alex is completely losing control of his show and it's steering ever closer to being like an out and out openly anti-semitic program yeah his inability to screen guests his unwillingness to break ties with steve pacenic and his underlying bigotries that he refuses to examine they're really starting to come to a head and i find the result to be

fucking ugly yeah that's what we're seeing here this next clip steve says that the israel came up with the lie or the myth of the holocaust in 1965 i didn't make this up i mean the whole thing about israel is a cockamamie story that they we need a land of the jews no in 1965 america pulled out so they came up with the story of the holocaust but i'm not even against israel all i'm trying to say is these ignoramuses call in and like magically go oh you're you're doing this for israel when they don't even know what they're talking about meanwhile you're talking to somebody who is engaging in holocaust revision yeah at best and alex is too self-absorbed in his feelings about this caller saying he's working for israel and he can't even push back on this very clear

super disturbing shit that's coming out of steve's mouth it's real bad it is incredibly bad yeah it's the one too punch of somebody insinuating that he's working for israel while somebody is saying that israel is the worst thing and because he can't say he can't defend israel without looking like he's defending israel maybe steve knows that exactly like that's a fucking it's a mess this show is like this show would benefit from producers you know i've never considered what it would be like to run a half nazi show before but now i feel like i really know you know like red ice it seems obvious you're just a nazi you know a fox news you're just pretending not to be a nazi but here you're pretending to both be and not be a nazi yeah it's kind of wild it's shrodinger's

nazi i think that you can see what a toll it takes on you yeah yeah i think alex that's got to fuck you up but you know what i mean straight shooting is really where it's at he's really disciplined yeah so in this next clip steve is talking about how he was there when they sold the gas to iran or whatever but if you listen he gets the gas wrong and alex corrects him if he is really this geopolitical expert you probably get the right gas hey we all make mistakes this was a war like denying the holocaust administration the reagan administration we sent schultz had sent tear gas to that area i was there when they sent it so if you want to go back to me muster gas muster gas that's correct we sent mustard gas now you know and your and your fans know it do you

think anybody in the news has talked about that no you think anybody in the news goes back to the carter administration or the reagan administration or the bush administration all of which i was in and i was against but nevertheless i served my country so it's very easy for somebody in vietnam to say oh i'm disappointed in this and that it's much harder to be what you have to be a citizen soldier you don't like what happens try to make it better the they are mad about this caller they are really mad yeah it really threw them for a fucking loop well because he's not confrontational he's disappointed in them it's it's that you know hey look i'm not angry with you you know you what i'm what i am is disappointed in it's holding up a mirror yeah they don't

like that no no no a mirror is very scary you hold up a mirror and you start revising the holocaust history yeah so overwhelmed by what you see oh no oh my god it's a monster oh shit that's me isn't it fuck well a better better than i the holocaust so steve had quite a showing here and he shuffles off and apparently he's going to come back on oh and shroyer show i got i i know i said this just a second ago sort of under my breath but this show would it needs producers yeah and if there are producers they are they need to be fired they're shitting the bed and so does rub this is like there are ways you cannot do this and that would be planning um some sort of qualifications some pre interviews maybe like what are we going to talk

about today on the show instead of just like well we get on to whatever happens happens uh oh yeah yeah speaking of which i'm very glad that we don't have to have those production meetings where it's like should we have on a nazi not our problem do we know if this person yeah yikes yikes although then again we didn't know the care swear he carry was a little bit of a nazi so we didn't have her on that's true i guess the most unethical thing we did was talk to larry nickles i think we were confrontational yeah i'm pretty sure we were not stoked about him so alex comes back after saying goodbye to steve and he declares again that his lawsuit news it was all people were talking about as the ball was dropping on new year's

uh i i know what war propaganda is i know when it's a major push coming out of the government and i'm doing it i know trump's not in full control of government yet because but when they do these pushes on me with the fake sandy hook news uh you know they've lost lawsuits and stuff you usually say i'm a true on every channel on usually receive while the balls are dropping who the hell is giving that order and in in your view and what is that so i'm sorry he was still talking to steve there i forgot that he was he was still around steve's like he was sort of ambivalent with his answers it's not really all that he doesn't really care no but it's alex preoccupation with this being the image that i'm the most important thing they're

setting me up to be killed or whatever it's all bullshit um so alex now he says goodbye to steve sure and uh he he makes clear that he's praying for peace then he introduces another guest it's been a powerful broadcast today we're praying for peace we hope this doesn't escalate uh but i see why trump did it now syrian girl is a really smart lady and she's been on many times over the years been too long since she's been on i'm glad she's here uh and you can find her on twitter at partisan girl and at patreon at syrian girl and i'm not going to go into her whole past or who she is i'll do a little bit of that does she have a name yeah she does i'm gonna respect her uh her her given name it's you can find it very easily okay just because she seems to like to go by syrian

girl i'm gonna respect works for that so syrian girl is an online commentator and wildly unhinged conspiracy theorist cool she's been a guest on alex's show dating back many years but i haven't heard her on the show in a really long time so the timing of her resurgence is pretty weird is she somebody who's going to help uh uh modify critics and say that it's cool that they bomb people i will see okay for years alex has relied on interviews of syrian girl to justify his belief the chemical attacks in syria are false flags while the international community has arrived at the conclusion that Assad used these weapons syrian girl has decided that is not the case and that rebels attack themselves in order to dupe the international community into sporting them

sure honestly i think she's a horrible voice in this conspiracy ecosystem but i've never really found her all that particularly interesting the other times i've heard her on the show long in the past i think part of the reason is that she doesn't seem to have any credentials to speak on any of the issues other than the fact that she was born in Damascus though her parents moved to australia when she was very young and the fact that she was in a graduate program for chemistry which she never finished i'm not sure this will make sense but i've kind of always seen syrian girl is more of an alex jones caller who got elevated to the status of having an alias kind of like zak yeah yeah i can see what you're saying that's the way i've always they treat her

like a guest sure and i i guess she is in some sense because she has something going on outside of info wars right to zak who was just an in-house production but i in the past i've never really seen her as anything else other than someone who just comes on and says things are false flags right right right she's quadruple a ball kind of situation there yeah though her primary area of importance on alex's shows to deny that Assad had anything to do with war crimes she's on the show today probably because her you know she has you know her support of Assad it goes hand in hand with hezbollah yeah since they're fighting for Assad in syria yeah hezbollah in turn is an iranian backed militia so by extension her support of Assad trickles down to a support of the iranian regime

right so there is like a weird dynamic at play here even though she's syrian girl yeah there is a like an intersection where um that support and that um being on the side of the the syrian army and sads regime right right does come into play with an issue that affects iran and so it's not an unbiased party um at all really yeah um so she's against attacking iran okay good but oh no but i mean you if you show is it because the holocaust didn't happen no but if you show your work there it the the way that you arrive at that conclusion is a little bit different right so she comes on and she says that this is like 2003 all over again right fair enough to some extent yeah and i think she does make also a pretty decent point in the fact that like in 2003 there were allies you know

there were the Kurds yeah there were other allies on the ground that made the situation not nearly as bad as it could have been right now the prospect of having another war those allies are probably not there not and that makes the situation worse so i think she is the colonel of a decent point there and then she just talks some shit they're going to have a troop search and iraq invasion is going to happen all over again it's going to be 2020 is now 2003 all over again except now there's no allies there's no shiites to work alongside with as they was in 2003 now the both the sunnis the shiites and even so the Kurds have been disgruntled now they're all the enemy and who has been supportive of such a troop search nazi palosi that it was needed i mean this woman you

know her father actually was one of the founders of israel he was one of part of one of the original terrorist organizations that was that was active before israel was created it was regarded as a terrorist organization by the british um to try to create well they're always right so you know she has a obviously a stake in this and i wonder if this whole impeachment against trump was to try to force his hand into doing this stuff really well and then you say all that and it starts convincing me because because you're dumb you are very dumb so nancy palosi's father was named thomas delisandro jr and he was not one of the founders of israel nor was he a member of a terrorist group he was on the baltimore city council from 1935 to 1938 then a member of the house of representatives

from 1939 to 1947 and then the mayor of baltimore from 1947 to 1959 so unless he was the mayor and moonlighting halfway across the world sister city of baltimore that's right jerusalem day on okay what is true is that delisandro was a very vocal supporter of finding a place for the displaced jewish population to be taken in which put him at odds with the policies of his president fdr who you know he's pushing the opposite at that point or not the opposite but certainly not what delisandro yeah yeah yeah to delisandro opposed british control over the mandate for palestine and he lobbied for the united states to prioritize saving jews he was instrumental in helping get the war refugee board established which helped in rescue efforts delisandro was a proponent of

the creation of israel but by the time that was happening he wasn't even in congress anymore having become the mayor of baltimore so while it is fair to say that he was into the formation of israel it's a bit much to say that he was a founder yeah and he wasn't involved in any terrorist groups he was potentially connected to the mafia though through a friend of his which derailed his attempts to get reelected as mayor but i hardly think that that's what syrian girl is talking about i don't i don't think she's i don't think she's too interested in that in that angle more importantly you can kind of see get a sense here the level of shit that syrian girl brings to the table vague misleading accusations about one political figure being used to justify a ridiculous

conspiracy theory like that nancy polosi wanted to impeach trump so he'd be forced to attack a ron it's just profoundly bad thinking but ultimately it's also meant to imply that it is israel that's the reason that polosi does this stuff in the first place yep just kind of you know that's what this boils down to which is again the same mentality that is not good on the you know it can be funny it can be funny these kinds of ridiculous wild stupid things but whenever on the on the i mean when we're on the precipice of a fucking potentially what do you even call it possible tensions are high you know that kind of situation to then do everything possible to avoid giving any blame or fault to the guy who is crowing about it as

though it was the biggest victory in the world is so transparent and pathetic and sad yes it is but it's not funny now it's just fucking tragic and it's very scary tragic and it's terrifying because some people are gonna buy that shit yeah and and it extends like the the rationalizations for trump extend even to the point of invalidating why he should be in power absolutely just but even to make a defense of him you have to basically be like did you hear what he's saying well no no no that's he's saying that stuff but here's why to be to be fair you this episode i believe was before the tweet that he sent out threatening to attack cultural sure sure so they don't have that in their body of information yeah but still i think i think there's enough body of i would say

so yeah here is the excuse that syrian girl gives in order to not really blame trump which is i would argue danger isn't bad what do you think trump thinks he's doing is my question good question i think i'm on for you i think they told that this is a bad man that killed people and we need to take him out i don't think he realizes the gravity of the situation because now this man is one of the most powerful men in iran and so if you if you want to study i don't think he's the second most powerful he was the most popular and most powerful person i mean because the i told us a moron reportedly uh shoving he really was he we just killed the head of the iranian government something along those lines and so anyone in the iranian government right now is

going to feel personally under threat and if you're gonna feel or even even any of the world leaders right now are feeling personally under threat and if that's the case you know what they have to retaliate they have to do something so this is a pretty bad look for a propagandist essentially the best angle they're coming up with is someone told trump sulamani was bad so he killed him not realizing the gravity of the act yes that basically boils down to saying that trump is so unaware of the world so dumb so malleable and gullible that he'll commit acts like political assassinations without understanding the stakes of his actions just because someone told him it was a good idea their defense seems to be the trump is a fucking idiot yep which shows

how thin the soup has gotten yeah this is bad yeah we've been telling you that from the beginning and it's now that you agree with us somehow you think that's a good thing right not good this is how ineffectual the defense has gotten in january i can't imagine how strained these people are going to be by the election like of course he's a moron who will kill members of foreign governments uh that he totally shouldn't just because someone told him to but you got to vote for yeah seems like a bad pitch no if he's not removed he's never leaving also when alex says that the itola is a moron reportedly that's a reference to something that steve told him earlier in the show in that interview steve kept saying that back in the day he'd been to the itola camey's house to negotiate things

and while he was there and he told him his son was stupid good luck dealing with him oh my god yeah so that's uh that's what alex is working on the reportedly reportedly right that's just a dump shit steve told you great great cool out and grow up steve needs to be in in some sort of he needs to be in a an assisted living home i think he needs somebody to take care of his brain and keep his mouth shut that seems too much like incarceration i would say that what does seem a lot like what's what needs to happen is like he's a name that people need to know yeah like people need to be more aware of the dangerous insidious influence that he is on a lot of this and one of the problems that i think is so pronounced with him is he is able to be a bit chameleon ish yeah like he's talking

like this on alex's show but i've watched his own live streams or his streams that he does his little videos and they are of a pretty different tone when he goes on other shows he has he he adapts to the environment that he's in based on what would be appropriate there yeah and that makes him particularly um that's not good yeah so uh he's fucking guys man so alex is talking to syrian girl they're having a great time ish and alex wants to get to some calls uh but he he just can't i promise callers i'm gonna get to you one way or another i love you i appreciate you and i respect you and i apologize i haven't gone to you yet but carlos and josh everybody i'm coming to you next with syrian girl but listen how smart she is listen how smart bechenek is listen to all

this this is real politics this is how really complex it is it's not just this or that it's really complex listen to how smart and great these guests are steve was revising holocaust history and i didn't even recognize it as it was happening syrian girl is saying this impeachment was just a setup to get trump to attack iran and that uh uh trump is too stupid to know what he's doing these are not good guests this is good politics this is banana stupid so syrian girl has presented that trump was told that sulamani was bad and he didn't know any better so he went along with it and now is i believe that's something that the intercept reported on ten minutes later or so alex is talking to her and you can see that this is a narrative that alex is crafting but i do think

they came just like syrian girl said and said sir he's a bad guy he does all this you can show him in public executions hanging people and stuff uh and and trump said well get that guy uh and because he's a real personal type guy he doesn't want to just kill random troops all you want me to kill the head of something i'll do that so uh that's my view and no but you're also making that up that's all fantasized yeah alex is just making that up you can see how this works syrian girl says something that sounds good to alex he has a flight of fancy starts imagining what trump does and what he hopes trump feels and delivers it to the audience as if it's a real possibility a real thing that this is probably what happened yeah it's it's very dumb so syrian

girl complains that trump is surrounded by swamp things uh creatures of the swamp he is of the swamp calm down yes uh true just sir and then she gets into um some of her discussion uh and her her positions about chemical attacks in syria so about trump we know is being surrounded gradually by more and more swampish people like pompeo like glindsay graham um you know the fact is that he has been given bad intelligence in the past for example on syria and the chemical attack that happened in in duma uh in you know 2017 2018 uh we know now from the opc w leaks that the whole thing was a sham and yet trump was misled into bombing syria over that that scene that you're being shown right now it has been proven to be the don't confirm that it was

a fake false flag you're absolutely right stay there it actually has not been now it's confirmed that it's a face felt fake i think it's a fake false flag i guess okay so it actually that has not been proven that the chemical weapons attack in duma was a false flag it was a fake false flag i kept that clip in because it's one of the times that syrian girl is more specific about the claims that she's making that uh that serve to deny Assad's involvement in chemical weapons use following the release of the opc w the organization for the prohibition to chemical weapons uh their report about the duma attack wiki leaks released some documents from inside the investigation that cast doubt on their conclusions including an email from a member of the fact finding team

that had a dissenting view and felt that his perspective was ignored in the opc w report these documents are used to argue that there was a massive cover-up in the opc w which syrian girl and alex are now transforming into proof that this was a false flag but none of these leaps of logic are actually earned in any way the opc w director general fernando arias came out and explained that quote the nature of any thorough inquiry for individuals in a team is to express subjective views while some of these diverse views continue to circulate in some public discussion forums i'd like to reiterate that i stand by the independent professional conclusion i honestly feel like it would be almost more suspicious if there was absolutely no dissenting

voices in an investigation like this no matter indicate them operating from a predetermined conclusion or a complete disinterest in other possible explanations the presence of alternative viewpoints as best i can tell is more evidence that the conclusion arrived at in the report is the result of investigation counter hypotheses were there but the evidence supported the supporting them were not good that's what it seems like to me everybody knows that the most legitimate elections are one ninety seven percent to three percent everybody knows that that's the most legitimate form of election sure yeah i've looked into this a little bit and like i said i'm not an expert but from the credible information i can find this appears pretty clearly not to be a

false flag yeah i would say i find very little compelling reason to believe that when i weigh that against people who are saying this is a false flag like Assad alex jones and the russian government the picture of which side to air on i think becomes a lot easier to figure out so that i just don't i don't i don't care for this much and when her example for what proves definitively that this was a false flag is those opc w leaks they don't prove that so if that's the the the tripod you're standing your camera on your not your your camera's going to fall over and i lost track of that metaphor in the middle of it don't worry about it um it's it's not a good foundation yeah for what your uh the the narrative that you're trying to put forth yeah i mean it is i don't know

let me i guess i guess i want to put it somehow this way and it seems impossible to me but i feel like to a certain extent up until recently the conspiracy theories that they spun and the the fanciful possibilities that they threw out there somehow seemed more possible and as the insanity around them has become even more insane in order to justify it now it's just turned into unicorns are real we might as well you know like we're in pure magic territory now that's the that's the um you know in the kernel of truth that conspiracy theories used to have is slowly getting smaller and smaller and smaller well it's the you know in the political sphere you have the overton window very quickly sorry moves and yeah what you know he moves the left and the right where where is the

topics of conversation appropriate the overton window moves and in the same way that is true of these conspiracy things yeah except it's a wonk of eight or right sure there is no track that it's on and it could go anywhere yeah the yeah i i think that that's absolutely true the the the what's required to push something is probably is way less yeah as all these ideas that are being discussed are so much more insane yeah yeah and there's no need to square them with each other well when there's just no need when when sort of polite society is having a conversation that's like level zero crazy five is fine yeah when society is up at five or ten you got to go twenty yeah other because otherwise people like alex only thrive on the appearance that they know

something secret right and if everything's crazy you got to come up with a crazy secret that you know hence all of the everyone's a demon everyone everyone's a vampire yeah great cool it's just escalation within the the rhetoric and i don't think it can deescalate very well we'll see not not without a harsh crash so in this next clip alex uses a weird idiom that i want to discuss a little bit it's really has nothing to do with anything okay i want you to ride shotgun with me and i promise if the if the hair didn't rise over bear creek that's a combination of the hairlips the admiral and water done rise for bear creek very politically correct i apologize we're gonna go to carlos so you're thinking about the ride shotgun part right no the

hairlips bear creek i've never heard that before in my entire life no because it's not an expression alex is conflating to but he's talking about how like i'm gonna get to calls right the term alex was looking for he was looking for isn't hairlips the admiral the general formulation of it is hairlips the governor that's an old southern expression which basically just means come hell or high water okay you know i'm going to do this even if it hairlips the general sure sure sure being that it's kind of making reference to people with cleft lips i think it's probably a pretty insensitive expression that i don't think would be appropriate to use anymore but i can't imagine that alex is apologizing for that that it's i don't think so that's a level of sensitivity

that alex is far be far from okay so then let's go to the second part of the idiom if the water doesn't rise over bear creek is not a popular expression though it's kind of the formulation of lord willing in the creek doesn't rise which is a slang term that was actually used as a title for spike lee's 2010 documentary about the aftermath of hurricane katrina the thing is though that those two idioms being completely different things the first is an expression that no matter what come hell or high water something is going to get done the second is an expression that says that this thing is going to be done provided that the creek doesn't rise by mixing these expressions alex is basically saying that he's going to get to calls come hell or high water but not if there's

high water yes that's what he's saying yes it's super weird and probably completely meaningless but i honestly find a subconscious truth buried in there i it's like alex's brain is just built to make bold pronouncements about what he's going to do no matter what while simultaneously baking in reasons why some of it's never going to get done honestly this accidentally i think is a pretty good idiom to describe alex it reminds me so much of the chibani lawsuit yeah where he was on air screaming about how he's going to win that case or die in the process and then he settled like a week later i'm not entirely sure what he thinks is politically incorrect about it though i have i have no idea i was waiting for you to throw out some sort of reconstruction era racial attack

that's kind of what i thought over edwards creek is like ed we all know who edward was you know like i thought that was what was about to go down that's what i expected to find but yeah no it's not the case no and that you're you're absolutely right that is so weirdly perfect yeah that's so weirdly perfect it could not have leaked out more of that like combination of even when i'm telling you something i am also not telling you it yeah yeah it's uh to uh talking out of both sides of the mouth yeah so alex goes to calls with syrian girl and he gets a caller who has some very important information he's going to calls with syrian girl uh with his listeners yes and okay he gets a very important piece of very real intel okay but i really wanted to let you know that

there was another thing that i was more concerned about that i got wind up from some of my military contacts in africa that some of the fsa al-qaeda backed operatives about 700 got flown out of idlib and it got placed down into africa and there's wind about them trying to collect ibola and trying to use it okay well that's amazing listen i'm and i call her just i held the three hours for you no no no stay there i'm saying don't don't don't hang up start getting into it right now i've got to go to these breaks but start telling us about the abola that's amazing that's amazing we're doing abola again guys great we're going back to this weaponized abola yeah that was also a picadillo of syrian girl in the past she is also disseminated like the abola narratives man you just can't do

that right now so you just can't so that's where we're at um this caller he's uh you know he's expressed this based on his intel yeah meanwhile we don't know who the fuck this dude is hey i actually know a guy in uh central south america i can't tell you what country is from his name or general appearance or if he is a human being at all but he does say that england is about to release a small pox pond on boston so i i mean you can do with that information like immediately that's amazing do whatever you want with that information my response to that that's amazing so um alex takes this anonymous caller who's you know pushing this bullshit and uh he starts to build a narrative office sure great girl what do you want to say about what he just broke down because i know that

isis and al-qaeda have said that they are trying to bring abola in and and weaponize it i know the democrats and soros are personally bringing in thousands a week to texas alone the board patrol can't even stop them federal judges let them go they go i don't want you to ask it boom uh illegal aliens can shoot women in the back in california juries let them go they go she white kill them i mean the left is in a war against america right now it's insane uh and and and so that's what we just hope trump can you know not be manipulated what do you think so the left is in a war against america is the thought that proceeds directly after his bullshit racist lie about being able to shoot white women in the back if you're an immigrant yep you see how all of this stuff is filtered

and eventually comes down the drain and the drain is white nationalism it is all of this like okay ah what are we going to do we're going to come up with a narrative about how al-qaeda and isis are going to africa to get abola to attack us right that all that is is in service of keeping non-white people out of the country yeah that's all that they're doing here that's that is the end result and the end goal of of this sort of rhetoric i yeah yeah it's it's i will let trump do anything because i think he is going to give me a white christian theocracy full stop man that's that's the mindset or get us closer to it yeah so alex takes another call and apparently this is news uh china or ron and the deep state they were all working together

right no and that's what led to this attack it is not oh hold on trump but there but there's a reason for it which has not come up on this show at all yeah ever well i mean i don't know if ever but certainly not on this episode okay and alex is into it i was thinking that maybe china iran deep state was all intertwined and trying to throw trump off and make him look weak right before going into this first phase of the trade deal yes and maybe there's some more facets what i'll let you get to the other callers no no no that's a great point from your perspective no and this makes trump look stronger the democrats in deep state are very upset right now i think they were planning to manipulate this and get this a lot bigger but but i also see syrian girls perspective

which is that it's an escalation and it's not good but like uh yeah so you have alex there getting this information from the caller who's like hey uh this was just to make him look bad for the trade deal yes unreal unreal unreal just a random caller calls in with speculation perfect nailed it sounds good top five answers on the board guess what that's number one and there are no others deeply irresponsible i i'm i'm boggled so like this has been a really fucked up it's a man this has been a fucked up situation so this is the last clip here and it's a syrian girl is discussing how this is an escalation the killing of uh sulamani is is an act of escalation and i think that you know all other things being left aside yes i think that you can't really make a solid argument that it's

not an escalation no so fair point to her fair play um i told you that she used to be on and i haven't heard her on in a long time yeah and i think there might have been a fallout between alex and her okay and i based that on how this ends this is a something this is an escalation you know this is this is aggression absolutely right but but but sulamani was hated in a lot of the Arab world and seen as a bogeyman don't normally agree with Atlantic the monthly by Saudi Arabia of course you know the Saudi the Saudis definitely hated him um he destroyed their ISIS and their al-qaeda as well so girl i don't know hey listen i don't know why you haven't been on the show in a while and whoever told you i don't like having on the show is wrong i don't know who told you that but

i want to get you back on the show on a routine basis please join us again next week and we really appreciate you people can get your perspective on things it's very uh very thought-provoking at partisan girl on twitter and we really appreciate you joining us thank you so someone told syrian girl that alex doesn't like having her on because i mean why would he say that unless he had heard that from somebody there's something going on there let me tell you this this is a mystery i have no interest in salt well i would tell you he did he did give her the uh a it reminded me of the texan like bless your heart like that that like i want to have you on weekly is uh the meaning is inverse which is i don't ever want to hear from you again i disagree i

think he does want to have her on regularly because she is an extension even further of these old guests coming back the present is uh being uh invaded by these people who alex had left behind right steve pechenick is another example of that the show has old school alex people on it man that's fucked now at the same time while you have these old school people coming on you have these old school callers who are calling in expressing this deep disappointment with alex there is a real tension brewing i think uh in info wars itself and i think it's i don't i don't know what it's going to lead to and i just think i mean if i if i had to sum anything up i'd say this show sucks yeah it's a disaster his analysis of iran in that situation is trash it's stupid he has no ability

to push back on steve saying wildly inappropriate and offensive things syrian girl is probably someone who we should if she does end up coming back on the show i think we should look into a lot more deeply because i know that she has a pretty fucked up set of beliefs okay um i i just think that this is a bad show yeah i will go one step further dan not only does this show suck but the world sucks the surrounding environment of the show not according to alex so i don't know i don't i don't know what what's going on i don't know what's going to happen but we will see uh because we'll be back we we will but tell them jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot gov also on twitter we are on twitter is that knowledge underscore

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