Knowledge Fight - #385: January 6, 2020

Episode Date: January 8, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex Jones is doing with the whole Trump/Iran situation. In this installment, Alex watched the Golden Globes which seems to have led him to concoct some bizarre theories about the fires in Australia. Also, Alex admits he tried to co-opt QAnon.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge everybody. Welcome back to knowledge right. I'm Dan. I'm sure we're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan. Yes, Dan, Jordan. Have you ever physically escaped from somewhere? I mean, I'm not obviously if you had been in prison before you would have brought it up before now. Would I have? It's possible. I think you don't talk about that sort of thing I will say I have not escaped from prison. I've never been in an escape room. Okay, although I would do that. It's I would too, but I don't really out of character for me as someone

who's kind of like like grumpy Gus. Yes, indeed looks down upon these pedestrian things. I think I would do an escape room. Yeah, I probably would. Would you do one of those X throwing things? What do you mean by that? Have you never been to their places where you can throw access? Like there's a big room where you can throw access. Sure. Just go there and throw access. Sure. Okay. Well, let's do that sometime to let's make a list of all of you. That's the way to get out of an escape room. That's what I think throw access throw access. Eventually every wall falls to an axe. It's a North saying. I don't know. I mean, there have been times when I've been like exploring like creeks and caves and stuff like that in in central Missouri

when I was growing up and I have feelings of like like vague memories of feeling like I was trapped somewhere, but I probably wasn't. It was probably just some like really childish panic mechanism right feeling like I was right, right, right. But no, I don't know. I don't know. Quick sand in your history. A lot of fears. A lot of fears. Yes, somehow, somehow an entire generation got ruined by fear of quick sand and then we all found out that it's not even that big a deal. I guess what I, you know, since you're now opening up to like natural phenomenon, there have been multiple times when I was even younger than when I was in Missouri. I lived in Honolulu in Hawaii and there were a number of times that I got caught in like under toes. Okay.

And like that is one of the like really scary things like you're going around just trying to jump around in waves. There's a giant wave and you just get caught. Oh, it's terrifying. Yeah. Those like remembering that was like as a like nine year old. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. That's that's awful as evidenced by this podcast. I did escape all of those. Yes, well, but there were some close calls. Yeah. Oh my God. It's just like feeling your body like ripped around by the water and like, you know, to tread water, you know, to swim, but you do those things and it doesn't seem to really help. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Horrifying. That's terrible. So I guess that's the best I got in terms of escapes. I'm glad you escaped.

Thanks. But I don't know much about escaping from prison, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know much about either is the podcast. Jordan. Today we are back staying in the present day. And one of my reasons for that is, you know, there's been a long, long periods of time on this podcast where we've just sort of abandoned the present and said, uh, yeah, to it, you know, and I think that a lot of it is because, you know, I'd be listening to the episodes and just be Alex and Roger Stone talking shit about nothing. Yeah. And, uh, I don't really care about that. I think that there's a lot going on in the present day. And I think that as much as some of it is awful, some of it's dumb. I think it's probably in our best interest and the show's

best interest to keep an eye on it and see what Alex's take is on, on certain things. And I'm glad I did. So today we're in January 6th, uh, 2020. I'm Dan. This is 2020. I got the fuck out of here, son of a bitch. Alex. It does have that in a commercial now. No. So I don't know if it's getting blue. I don't know if he's going to say it on the show every day, but it's on a commercial that plays multiple times. I'm Alex Jones. This is 2020, which is cool. All right. Um, so this is an interesting episode. Alex, as we know from our last episode talking about Friday of last week, uh, the third Alex had some interesting positions on, uh, the assassination of Kasam Sulaimani loves it. Um, well, wants to not appear to love it, but seems

to love it. It's a bold move by the president. Pretty, pretty huge. Um, Alex is not continuing that thread so much. And I think I have a working theory and I think it's because he watched the golden globes. I think that that is going to inform literally all of what ends up happening on this episode. I think Alex watched the golden globes and he got really mad at Hollywood. Right. Okay. So here's a frustrating thing that should be a joke. Yep. That should be a joke. And instead I listened to that and I'm like, that makes perfect sense. Of course he watched the golden globes and now we're going to ignore it. I ran for a while. You know how sometimes I don't know actually Iran. I don't know if you do this, but like sometimes I'll watch like a Dave Rubin,

like a Rubin report just to be like, what's this asshole talking about? You know, I enter it knowing like this isn't going to be pleasant or I watch like a Jesse Lee Peterson interview or something. You know, I'm just like, ah, this is going to make me kind of upset. Yeah. I think Alex might do that with like the golden globes. I think so. I think like a word. Yeah. I think that's his version of it. I suspect that he did that. And then now we get this. Oh no, I don't want to talk about Ricky Gervais. We won't. Yeah. Fuck that guy. Very briefly. Fuck that guy. Alex thinks he did a great job. Of course he does. I can neither confirm or deny that because Ricky Gervais may have done the best job ever. I'll never know. I will never know either. I just don't want people talking might have had a

great set. Can't say either way. Not going to watch that. Not going to look back. Nope. So anyway, there's a lot to get into. We'll get it down to business. But before we do, Jordan, we got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. So first of all, Maggie, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Next very special shout out. We're a day early on this, but as we recall, as we, this episode is released, but tomorrow, happy birthday. Casey, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Happy birthday. Thank you so much very much. Next Noshi. Senpai, thank you so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Noshi senpai Next. Manta ray, thank you so much. You are now

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that says support the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be very helpful. So Jordan, the show opens with Alex announcing that the world metaphorically, metaphysically, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, spiritually, with Alex announcing that the world metaphorically, metaphysically, spiritually, and literally is on fire. We are already six days in the 2020 and the world is on fire culturally, economically, spiritually. And yes, physically, I'm going to open the phones up now next segment as soon as the calls come in from listeners and viewers in the great continent and the great nation down under Australia. You could even have a headline for this live show in full wars live

in Australia. You couldn't. That would be a lie. You're not in Australia. No, you're not. So this is one of the reasons why I think Alex is really responding aggressively to the Golden Globes because the situation with the fires in Australia has been going on for a while. And I haven't heard Alex bring it up at all. Now at the Golden Globes, a number of people gave speeches that like Cape Blanchette, Joachim Phoenix had some comments like about supporting the efforts to fight the fires in Australia. And I think this is a backlash to that. I think Alex saw Hollywood talking about this and he's like, well, I got to cover it. Right. Right. I am a reactive force in the world. What is he going to do? Try and get people to set a new fire in

Australia. How can he be worse about it? Well, his position. He started all of the fires. He's going to come on and come on and say they aren't even. That's right. The fire isn't even real. His initial take on this is that it's no big deal. This is what this happens. And I think that he's being a little bit glib and stupid. Yeah. We'll get into that. But the thing that's important is that Alex has a different position on this at the end of the show than he does at the beginning of the show. Of course. Of course. His position at the beginning is there are just fires in Australia. It happens. It's no big deal. This is how farmers, they burn their fields in order to get potash. Wow. Right. So hot take or cold take. This is this is sort of the beginning of it. And

of course it's all just like that's what's going on. This is a normal situation. But the media wants to tell you that it's climate change so they can get carbon taxes to pay to the Roth Giles. Man. So we're going to start here with that. This is Alex's take at the beginning, which is dismissive. It's very much dismissive. What's happening in Australia? Obviously the millions of acres burned. Obviously many deaths. Obviously a lot of property lost. But the big story is the concerted corporate media worldwide is saying it's global warming or climate change. And then if we paid carbon taxes to the UN and to the IMF and World Bank and literally the Lord Rothschild and to Al Gore and Obama and Bill Clinton who own climate exchanges in London,

England and Chicago, Illinois that they will save us while just by Australia is China with no environmental controls who lobbies for our industry to be shut down. Carbon dioxide coming out of coal plants has nothing, nothing to do with the fact that Australia has always had giant fires. I can sense your anger bubbling up. No, no, no, this is fine. There's no big deal here. Yeah. There's no problems before we get into any of this. You know, like I think that having any kind of take on this that is the leading part of your perspective, like the line about climate change and all that, like I think is really bad primarily because your focus should be on the people that are affected by this. Your primary focus should be on the people who are suffering,

these people who have died, people who have lost their homes. That is the immediate crisis. I know that there's a lot of people who listen to our show, who live in Australia and, you know, obviously our hearts go out to you and, you know, I hope you're impacted as little as possible. I don't even know how to articulate. I hope you're okay. Yeah, yeah, but I just think that he's unfocusing from the people affected and turning it into a larger conspiracy or dismissing it out of hand is a great disservice that you can't you can't open with. Okay, sure there are a lot of acres that are burned. Sure. People have died and property is damaged. Yada, yada, yada. This is about Obama and taxes. Right. Fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you. But Alex, even if it was about Obama and

taxes, there's still people burning. Right. So Alex is not totally incorrect in his statement that fires have always been a part of Australia. The continent has a long history of bushfires, which have on occasion gotten out of control and caused some severe damage. Black Saturday in February 2009 is considered the worst fire in recorded Australian history, killing 175 people and destroying more than 2000 homes. At this point, the current fires in Australia have killed 27 people, but some estimates of it already destroying more property than the worst bushfire on the books. Already millions of acres of land is burned and the impact on things like the environment and animal populations, that isn't something we can even

really quantify at this point. Put simply, even though Australia has a history of fires, that is absolutely no excuse not to take what's unfolding right now deathly serious. First things first, no one is saying that climate change is causing the fires. That is a strawman. The argument that experts are putting forth is that the effects of climate change are intensifying these fires. Fizz.org spoke with Stanford University Environmental Studies director Chris Field, who explained the connection between climate change and these fires. Coincidentally, he also described the fires as, quote, one of the worst, if not the worst climate change extreme events he's ever seen.

What's happened is that Australia has seen decreased rainfall in recent years, while the summer has brought record setting high temperatures. These drought conditions create drier fuel for fires, which can be started by accident or by a lightning strike, at which point the fires that are started are far more intense and spread much easier than they would have under different conditions. 2019 was the hottest and driest year on record for Australia, according to their Bureau of Meteorology, which puts these pieces in place for what we're seeing now. It's there's not a lot of mystery about this in the expert community, but somehow to Alex discussing the impact that climate change has on making these climate events

more severe is somehow proof of a grand conspiracy, which is nonsense. Alex always makes climate change into a conspiracy about people like Obama and Al Gore trying to make money off carbon taxes, but now that I actually think about it, I'm not sure I've ever heard him actually lay out what their profit strategy would be. I realized that I've always just heard him say that and like, huh? Don't worry about it. They're exchanging climate bucks for coal belts, and that's how they make money. Dan, it makes perfect sense. But here's the thing. Like, I know he says that they own carbon exchanges, which isn't true. But even if they did, I'm not positive how that would make them rich if there were carbon taxes implemented, because in that

framework, the money collected would go to the government. I think that Alex is mixing up two different potential plans that have been floated about reducing carbon emissions, carbon taxes, and cap and trade. Carbon taxes would just be taxes that polluting businesses would have to pay to the government based on their level of carbon emission. The working theory for this is that there's a burden that the larger population takes on that's caused by the pollution. So the taxes would be the polluter's way of paying to help mitigate the damage done to everyone. There are people with different views on how that tax money would be spent. Some people think it should go to subsidize alternative energy sources. Some think it should be paid to the citizens in the form of

carbon dividend. Others advocate it being used for more general infrastructure improvements to make society more able to deal with the consequences that may come. But the basic idea is that pollution hurts all of us, so the polluter should have to pay to help the larger society deal with those consequences. The Independent recently reported on a new study conducted by, quote, a coalition of 15 health and environmental organizations. And this report found that your risk of lung cancer rises approximately 10% if you live within 50 meters of a major road, and that there were additional risks to childhood lung development from the air pollution of living near high levels of traffic. This is why emissions restricting regulations are important for the

automobile industry, which incidentally is something that Trump has been signaling that he wants to relax considerably. These are the sorts of things where there is a damage to society. Therefore, we need to do these things in order to help mitigate that damage. Or how about this? All those people can die and they'll get all the profits because fuck them, hooray! So that's the working theory behind the carbon taxes idea. Conversely, cap and trade involves the government setting a cap on emissions, which each company could theoretically hit. But let's say you're running a factory and you make improvements that'll assure that you don't end up hitting that cap. In that situation, you could sell those permitted emissions to another

factory that's going to end up exceeding the cap. This system would set an overall ceiling for emissions and make it so that limit is not exceeded. Currently, nine states in the United States and many countries around the world have cap and trade systems in place. Now granted, there are other cap and trade models that don't have an overall ceiling. That ceiling is sort of variable, but the premise is largely that you have a ceiling and then of those available allowances people could trade them. Right. And if you want any idea of which one would be better for the environment answer. Currently, currently, most of these companies are lobbying more for a cap and trade since they assume something is coming. Well, I think they're they're putting their

money behind cap and trade over carbon tax. And I think we all know why I think a lot of the people they will both do good though. Don't get me wrong. I think a lot of the people who make the most sense that I've heard from seem to indicate a mixture of both is probably the best. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. These are two different plans in the tax model. The amount of carbon emissions would fluctuate, whereas the price of emissions would be static. Conversely, in the cap and trade model, the market would determine the price businesses would pay to buy or sell carbon allowances, whereas the amount of emissions would be static. These are intrinsically different, but not mutually exclusive. And like I said, a lot of experts advocate using both systems in

some form. I'm all about throwing the kitchen sink at it at this point. Cap and trade is the system wherein Alex's theory of carbon exchanges would be more relevant. Since I presume that when he's talking about Obama and Al Gore owning these carbon equivalents of stock markets, that's where they would make a cut off the trading of carbon credits. But Alex never talks about cap and trade. He always talks about carbon taxes, which I find weird since under the plan involving just carbon taxes, that wouldn't necessarily involve exchanges where people are trading emissions as a commodity. Whenever Alex talks about Al Gore and all of these people owning climate exchanges, he always talks about the Chicago climate exchange like he did in that

last clip. This is probably because Al Gore had invested in that exchange through his generation investment fund management fund. However, what Alex fails to mention ever is that the Chicago climate exchange stopped trading in carbon credits in November 2010. It's almost been a decade since the Chicago exchange is at anything to do with anything close to what Alex is talking about. He has an old piece of information, namely that Al Gore had invested in an exchange that was engaging in carbon credit trading. And he has no idea that he's just regurgitating conspiracies that are long past their expiration date. Honestly, this kind of thing is embarrassing how it's just muscle memory for him. He doesn't know anything. He just says phrases he can whip

out like Al Gore owns the climate Chicago exchange. It's been 10 years. Have you considered that they might be laundering climate money? Okay. So what they do is and they're still secretly doing this. They just name it something different. It's a I'm running out. I got nothing. That's fucking stupid. Right. It's a decade. Yeah. There is a climate exchange that's based in London and it's called the European climate exchange. And it was bought by a large commodity trading business called Intercontinental Exchange also back in 2010. I know that none of the people that Alex listed own Intercontinental Exchange, but if any of them invested in it, who cares? That doesn't prove anything. Yeah. Jay Z actually owns that one. I don't. I don't think it's a gigantic company.

It is like this is a tired conspiracy. I'd say that is a tired conspiracy with no legs to it. Based on the way Alex talks, I'm not convinced that he knows the difference between carbon tax plans and cap and trade. I'm further not convinced that he's aware that the Chicago climate exchange stopped trading carbon credits almost 10 years ago. I strongly suspect that he has no idea what he's talking about, but he has a lot of climate denial catch phrases that he can repeat, but they ultimately mean nothing larger picture. Like I said, Alex's first response to the fires in Australia is not concerned for the people affected, not a call for help, not feelings of condolences. It's to launch into how the media is saying that this is climate change related,

which is just a plan to get Al Gore rich. He's a bad person. Yeah. I mean, this is bad. He's basically saying that they're false flagging the fires in order to, or they're not false flagging, but what's it? It's just lying. Yeah. Well, yeah. In order to make it look like it's climate change when in reality it's normal. Right. So his angle on it is that it's, it's just a normal thing. This is just what happens with the controlled burns that farmers do. Just like in California, you know, sometimes in order to grow redwoods, everything's got a burn on the floor and stuff like that. And that's why it's totally fine that we've had so much of California on fire for the past few years. So Alex is trying to make this argument that it's normal. And in service

of that, he reads a Wall Street Journal article that I don't think he read before the show because it kind of tends to contradict that this is normal kind of article angle hiding in plain view. Australia's catastrophic fires threatened to up in the way people live Wall Street Journal igniting two months earlier than the usual start of the Australian fire season. The flames have torn through an area about the size of West Virginia. So it's not killing at least 20 people shrouding cities and choking haze and stretching firefighters to the breaking point. So that's bad. And so they've entered the dry season. They've entered the season when they have not. Burns to put nitrogen and other minerals and things back into the soil to grow again. So there

you can see the like sort of the theme of his main argument at the beginning of the show. It's just normal people doing controlled burns to make sure a plentiful harvest. But unfortunately, he decided to read that Wall Street Journal article without pre screening and he accidentally contradicted his entire narrative by pointing out that the fire is two months early this year. Generally, if things are just going normally in the fires of the results of controlled burns that get out of control, then you would expect gigantic fires two months earlier than that's why we have words like early because that's just early normal right and it's just normal but a little bit sooner. So if you're paying attention to Alex and know the words mean things, Alex is a problem and that

is that he now has to explain why farmers are doing these controlled burns two months earlier than they have every year up till this point. He knows he can't do that. So he just moves forward pretending that he didn't just read that line is a real problem. It's a big issue. Yeah. The important point here is that Alex has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. He just feels like this is the result of farmers burning their fields to improve the soil for the next season. But he's basing that on literally nothing. It's just his opinion, which is not shared by any source I can find that discusses the fire and to that the fact that he seems completely unaware that these fires are out of season from normal fire patterns and you have every reason to think that this is just

a dude talking shit. Yep. He's just talking shit. He's reacting. Yeah. He's he's he's reacting in that pre-programmed way that so many climate denialists exist now because at this point we're we're in well I'm Jordan and this is 2020 and we are in a situation where you can't avoid it. It is all of the denialism that you did. You made this worse and now you can't do anything but look into the burning fire that is the fucking world without admitting it and you don't want to do that because then you have to admit that you played a part in this. Well the best you played a part in the reason this falling apart so you keep denying the best strategy is just kind of knee jerk denial and hand waving. It seems it seems like that is what Alex intended to do when he started the episode

and I keep implying that it's going to change because it is. Yeah. Well he probably read the Wall Street Journal thinking oh this will this will back me up. No big deal. Why do you do that? I have no idea. You got to read these articles before you talk about them. You would start reading them on air. You should start reading period. That would be nice. So the thing is that climate change is the greatest weapon against society. Right. If if these I thought it was the greatest threat to society but I could I suppose that could be weaponized. If these climate change people get their way they will be able to destroy us and quite frankly if Hitler had environmental regulations. You should have seen Hitler coming. Hitler could never get bombers over the United

States to bomb our factories and coal plants that gave us all that cheap electricity. But if he could have lobbied environmentalists before to tell us we were all guilty and bad and convinced us to not have any plants. Well he could have dominated. It's just like China has many more times coal power plants than we have. They build new ones every week. We shut down every plant under Obama. We have thousands of years of clean coal. All the gas tax is carbon dioxide and water. So for a long time I've heard Alex say that all coal in the United States is clean coal which obviously isn't true but I've just kind of assumed he was just lying. Now I'm becoming convinced he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

At the end of that clip he says that we have all this clean coal and all that comes out of these power plants is CO2 and water but that isn't what clean coal is. Clean coal technologies usually refer to technologies that don't allow CO2 emissions. For instance there's carbon capture technologies that aim to capture all the CO2 emissions from burning coal but then that still needs to be stored somewhere where it won't enter the atmosphere which is tough and is usually underground. Plus retrofitting existing coal power plants to make this technology is insanely expensive. And if Alex's primary concern is that carbon taxes would make operating power plants too expensive then this is not the plan he should be enthusiastic about. Free market Dan. Can't have

the government in there. I don't think he understands this stuff at all. No clue because the way he's phrasing this all that comes out is CO2 and water. It's like well that's the problem. Right. Yeah. You have accidentally gotten this exactly right. There is an issue here. Well but he's saying that that is what clean coal is. He doesn't understand that like this is the he doesn't understand the premises. He doesn't understand the concepts he's discussing. And I mean to be fair there are some promising ideas about carbon capture but honestly based on the way Alex is talking I don't think he has an idea of what those things are. No. He's just saying that we have this clean coal stuff going on and all the plants emit are CO2 and water. That's not the point. I'm saying like honestly

that the more he's talking especially on this episode I think more so than normally. I don't think he knows what he's talking about. No. I don't think the words that he's saying make sense. Right. Right. No. No. Well it's incoherent. Here's where here's where he gets into trouble is that he accidentally reveals what everybody knows which is that clean coal isn't really a fucking thing. It's just not. Well it's a broad term for a number of things and some of them show some good promise. But what Alex is talking about seems to be like a concept that like you take a little toothbrush to some coal. Exactly. Clean it off. Yeah. Well that's the way that it's been used as a propaganda tool in order to avoid changing anything is like no no no. I know you

think coal is bad and thank God we're not using that anymore. We're using clean coal which is the same thing. This coal took a bath. Yeah exactly. Right. That's what they're trying to convince people of not of any actual there are some processes that can make things a little better sure that do involve like I know I know it's not taking a toothbrush to coal right but in terms of like cleaning some coal right you can make things a little better but not nearly enough. No so it and somehow the worst way to solve this problem is actually to burn the coal plants down. You would think that that would work but cruel irony. Yeah it is. I just don't think I think Alex is severely out of his depth and the talking points that he's using and the way he's presenting

things mismatches even itself so much that I just I hear this I was like this is this is sad. Yeah but actually I you know we have a moment here where we got to give credit where credits do Alex jumps to talking about the evolving situation with Trump and Iran and Iraq that sort of triangular situation. Yeah and I actually think that Alex has a pretty good thought and I hate to say it. Do we have streamers. Do we have some sort of celebratory. Do we have fireworks. I will never are balloons going to drop from the ceiling. I will never celebrate Alex having a decent position because I know that it'll probably be invalidated. Yeah. Tomorrow it's going to be worse and it's so elementary. I'm not going to applaud him for reading a sentence basically.

But credit where credit. The fact that Trump has come out and said that he's threatening sanctions on Iraq and saying we will not leave until they pay billions of dollars. The United States invaded Iraq. The United States overthrew their leader and I understand Trump saying we should have had to pay for all that. And why did China get all the oil and the rest of it. But this is bad. And so when I see Trump do something or float an idea that I think it's terrible I'm going to tell you I'm persecuted for supporting Trump. I'm a tap. They're trying to shut us down because he's a nationalist. He's pro-gun. He's he's he's he's calling the shots not the globalist. And so they want to destroy info wars because they see it as a focal point

of Trump's base. So fuck the end of that. But at the beginning I think he's he's on the right track. He's he's he's on the right side of the idea that Trump would want to extort Iraq before removing troops. Yeah. That is bad. The reason I don't want to give him too much props is because I feel like this is a pretty obvious one. But I do think that as we are such a negative show about Alex I think it's pretty important to point out the very rare occasions when he has a decent thought. Yeah. Because I do think that like treating him as a guy who's always wrong about everything while fairly accurate isn't really fair. And it turns him into a monster as opposed to a human who's a monstrous. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't I don't see what you're saying. I don't have much

interest in like doing a podcast about a caricature of somebody. You are. You are right. That it is a very simple and elemental thought that we shouldn't be running an international protection ring. Right. That does seem like it does seem like that's a very simple. Yeah. We shouldn't just be going around country to country. Be like hey be terrible if your government was overthrown. Yeah. I'm just saying you know pay us a little bit. We'll get our troops out of there. No big deal. Yeah. It it seems almost. I mean you're laughing. You're laughing. It seems cartoonishly evil. Yeah. So what's happened here is that in the aftermath of the assassination of Qasem Sulamani the Iraqi parliament passed a nonbinding resolution to expel our troops from the country.

They were seeking to cancel Iraq's request for U.S. assistance against ISIS which we didn't validate our reason to continue to be there in the country. This is one of those consequences to the Sulamani assassination that doesn't seem like I don't understand. We're America. We don't face consequences Dan. It makes it seem like no one really had a plan for this. No which isn't good. No one has any fucking clue what's going on. It's kind of amazing. So the parliament is just requesting that the government of Iraq do this which would make one think that it's not going to go anywhere except for the fact that the resolution was passed after Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Madi asked parliament to act to expel foreign troops. In response Trump has threatened to

quote charge them sanctions like they've never seen before ever. What does that even fucking mean? It'll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame. He also said quote we have very extraordinarily expensive air base there that's there. It cost billions of dollars to build. We're not leaving unless they pay us back for it. Trump is being a huge asshole and acting in ways that are very unhelpful so it's good to see that Alex can see that. The thing is though this isn't really different than how Trump always acts so it's unclear why this time Alex is hedging a little bit. I would bet it has something to do with realizing that supporting this kind of ship would probably alienate whatever base Alex has left. Those calls he took on Friday were not a good sampling of his

audience's temperature and if he recognized if he realizes like OK this is going to possibly extend the way Trump is acting tends towards trouble. Yeah. And if I support that I will lose any of the Ron Paul anti interventionist types that were or my bedrock that were the people who theoretically have been around the longest. Yeah. There's a line that Alex can't cross and that's probably starting a war. It's really frustrating to me that that line is the difference of I'm fine with him terrorizing black and brown people here but not in other countries. Yeah. That's a really fucked up line they live on. Well yeah I mean you know it just goes to show like people are different. People have different thoughts. That is not a priority for him. It's

not fair. But I mean it's a tough. It's a tough realization. I don't know. I don't I. I guess I guess they do love war. They just don't like the fact that there is an end that isn't like we unequivocally won like they like the people who want who want these kinds of wars or even who don't want it who have this anti interventionist thing. It's not because of the war part. It's because it's going to cost money and last 20 years like what we're dealing with now. Yeah perhaps what they would prefer is just like we win. So now Iraq is fifty first state. You know like it's over. Sure. Like never have to worry about it. It was a franchise in America. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's a bad idea. Yeah. So Alex gets back to the climate issues

and we're going to get more of the Australian on sense here in a little bit but he's mostly complaining about China and in this clip he's complaining because and like I said I really think that a lot of this has to do with watching the Golden Globes because his way in for a lot of this stuff is complaining about Kate Blanchett sure and and others sure and their speeches. So he's complaining about how Blanchett said you know when when one country faces a climate crisis we all are facing that and his rebuttal to that is what about how China puts a lot of trash into the ocean. That is a very grown up and adult way of dealing with that criticism. And I have a little thought on the other side of this clip. So Kate Blanchett another one of these

script readers these teleprompter readers they're by worship. Fuck you. One country faces a climate disaster we all face a climate disaster. Real quick. I don't think you can insult a professional actress as being a script reader. That seems especially considering you've been you've read a script you idiot. Wow. So when China who's responsible for over half the trash in the world they admit dumped in the ocean by those big super ships garbage ships haulers when they go out to the 12 mile line and dump it off your coast that does affect the whole world. But you never hear a word from these environmental groups about telling China not to do that. Yes you do. Yes all the time.

That's what we say all the time all the time. So I don't know if his statistics are right because I didn't bother to look into them. I'm not sure if they are. I know that pollution is a problem and all that but you do hear environmental groups talking about that quite regularly and also largely the problem with Alex's point here is that his worldview doesn't have a solution to it but globalization does. No he's recognizing the interconnectedness of like actions that are taken by other countries and how they affect you. OK. So you're saying you're saying that that sovereign nation which I love that they're a sovereign nation by virtue of what they're doing is hurting me personally. But so how do I tell them what to do. Well see the problem is that you

can't do anything inside Alex's framework that's completely nationalist about China polluting. There's nothing you can do other than I guess start a war with them. Yeah you could impose sanctions but I don't know that you know where you cut off trade with them. But Alex isn't dumb enough to think that's a viable path. Yeah. So in a globalized framework there would be international mechanisms in place where the responsibilities that different countries have to each other could be handled. Things that Alex is passionately against like the Paris Accords or even to some extent the TPP. Sure. Those would be moves towards that sort of thing being possible. OK. Within you know more like obviously not talking about a one world government

necessarily but in terms of international bodies that have enforcement mechanisms in place. Yeah. You could do that like a China you are polluting in ways that are affecting other countries whether it would end up being like a financial punitive thing in order to help the country that's affected clean up from the mess that I was making. Yeah. Or some kind of punitive measure that's taken to make them stop doing that. International bodies can do that. Nationalist countries independently acting cannot really know the only way that one country would be able to do something like that is if it were the entire world Dan. What if we have one let's not do let's do one nation. Well it's just the entire world. Well we're all nationalists

now. See populism I fixed it. Well see done. The issue too is like OK. Alex could say well we as the United States could put pressure on China in order to make them stop doing that. That's not going to work. So what Alex would then say is like well a group of nations sovereign nations could get together to put pressure on and you see how that already is stepping down the line towards eventually what is the ideal solution. One world government that group of nations sovereign individual nations working together is good. But what would be better is if China was also one of those. I don't understand. What are you. What are you doing here. I'm here. You're slowly making more and more sense and I'm not liking it. But that's what Alex should recognize

as well because it's very obviously putting pointing him like it's in his face. Yeah to where he can't even ignore it. Not really. No. Why some of his ideas are very dumb. It is. It used to work. But now the world is when the world was big nations seemed like you could exist solo. Yeah and now the world is very very small. There's far too much interconnectedness for us all to ever really and we know a lot more than we used to absolutely about the ways that let's say air pollution in the like let's say that most northern parts of America can affect Canada. Yeah. You know that it's it's the arbitrary lines of borders. Don't stop real things. Yeah. Yeah. You can draw it on a map. Natural forces are not beholden to borders and that's just a reality

that we need to deal with if we want to move forward which we're not dealing with. Alex certainly isn't. No. So his complaint is larger about China and one of the things that he brings up here is that like so if you have a motorcycle that is really bad and polluting then yeah that's bad but we have catalytic converters and now motorcycles have to have those. That is a good regulation. So first we learned that there are some good regulations. All right. According to Alex which means that he now has a responsibility to differentiate between what is a good regulation and what's a bad one and what makes a good one and what makes a bad one. It seems like and I've seen no evidence that he has put the work into doing that. No. Okay. If not. All right. And then

he just straight up lies about China. They lecture everyone about don't fly on airplanes and don't have a car. Don't even have a motorcycle that's bad for the earth. So again he's complaining about Golden Globe speeches. Sure. Sure. Well yeah having a dirty tailpipe not having a catalytic converter is bad for everybody and stinks and you have to breathe toxic fumes. Catalytic converters clean that up. That's a good invention. That's a good regulation. Hey these cities are toxic. There's brown smoke in the sky. Clean it up with engineering. But China says we don't want to do that because that'll make us not competitive. So China is just now getting around to saying catalytic converters. No controls on their smokestacks. No their rivers catch on fire.

Really? So I sincerely think Alex is completely relying on entirely out of date information to make this narrative up. I say that because what he's saying about China is completely inaccurate to the point where it kind of feels like he's just making it up. I will say that he's not making up the thing about a river catching on fire in China but that also happened in 2014. Incidentally that same year a dude in North Dakota caused a bit of a stir by posting a video to YouTube where he set the water coming out of his faucet on fire. So I guess it's not just a China thing. And it was only 1969 when the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland set on fire here in the United States and that's not so long ago in the big picture of things. Oh and also that same year 1969

the Rouge River in Detroit set on fire. And in 1968 the Buffalo River set on fire. This would still be happening regularly in the United States if it weren't for the Environmental Protection Agency which Alex is not a fan of. Weirdly. Yes exactly. David Sandelow of the Columbia University Center for Global Energy Policy released a 169 page guide to the Chinese climate policy just recently and is reflecting the state of affairs in 2019 as well as initiatives the Chinese government has undertaken to counter climate change. Suffice it to say they just got catalytic converters is not the conclusion this paper arrives at. One thing that's important to remember is that China is a massive country and one that has been experiencing a boom in the past

decade or so. When you talk about one aspect of their energy policy it's crucial to consider other aspects as well so you can get a full picture. For instance China has added a lot of coal-fired power capacity in the past years but at the same time they also added quote 43% of the world's new renewable power capacity in 2018. China is also a country that has 45% of the electric vehicles in the world and 99% of the electric buses in the world. Another aspect of this that has to be taken into account is China's gigantic population. In 2018 they were the largest emitter of heat-trapping gases but if you look at the numbers on a per capita level they were only emitting 6.6 metric tons per person as opposed to 15.7 metric tons per American.

What I'm saying is that there's a complex picture to China and climate issues that's not easily captured by single stats or vague notions like Alex tries to put forth. It's probably true that China had previously taken a really dismissive posture towards climate issues but they've been a bit more responsive in recent years. They've announced a plan to achieve peak CO2 emissions by 2030 with goals to hit that peak sooner, a goal that most analysts think is very achievable. They've committed to creating 4.5 billion cubic acres of reforestation by 2030 and they actually accomplish that goal 11 years ahead of schedule. There are domestic programs in place working in the right direction. In their five-year plan covering 2016 to 2020 they put in place regulations

that require quote all new coal plants must use supercritical or ultra supercritical technology and that older technologies were to be retired. By 2017 90 of their 100 largest coal burning power plants were ultra supercritical. They launched carbon trading programs in eight cities and provinces with plans to implement it nationally in the near future. That is quite literally China placing a price on emitting carbon which Alex is claiming they refuse to do because they don't want to be competitive or they don't want to be uncompetitive. Additionally they put in place new building standards to make residential and public buildings more energy efficient and quote as of September 2016 roughly 4,500 buildings in China had received green building

labels. I could go on and on about this stuff but I think the point is pretty clear. It's just not fair to say that China is not doing anything about climate issues. The primary conclusion of this report is literally quote the Chinese government is taking significant steps to address climate change. There are negatives in the mix too like their use of synthetic natural gases which is not good but the general trend seems to be in a positive direction. China knows that they are a country that's particularly vulnerable to the effects of climate change from their long history of severe droughts to the more recent phenomenon of horrible air pollution. Nothing that Alex is saying at all depicts reality but I think it might depict reality a little bit closer

to the truth. The last time he actually cared about doing his job which would have been in the early ten years ago. Maybe even longer. I think this is all just remnants of a time when he actually cared to look into things and he just remembers this stuff and hasn't ever checked to update it. Same thing with Al Gore in the Chicago climate exchange. Like he's just never checked in to see like is this still true? I know I was yelling about it in 2007. It does seem like maybe one of the side effects of taking too many of his supplements is the inability to turn short term memories into long term memories. You know? No, no, no, no. All long term memories are paramount. No, no, no. What I mean is he can't replace new long term memories. Short term memory disappears.

I disagree because I don't think he has a short term memory of these narratives no longer being true. He just doesn't care. He's checked the box about China doesn't care about climate change and Al Gore runs this exchange and he doesn't even care to check. So there is no short term memory. There's no up there. There's no looking into it. There's no updating at all. That's a good point. And to be totally fair, none of this is to like say that the Chinese government is doing everything right. Of course not. There are absolutely issues. But the reduction you're coming here for us to say the Chinese government is doing everything right. I think you're I think you're in trouble even in the climate space. Yeah, but like the the the issue

that I take is that what Alex is saying is not true. There is a complicated and larger picture to Chinese climate policy that Alex refuses to engage with because I think it would show that maybe they are at least indicating stronger things than Trump is. Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's it and they then they tend to invalidate his entire narrative about China just wanting to shut down our industries and refusing to do these things domestically and internally because it would make them uncompetitive. That's just not true. Yeah, there is something of a benefit to having a nationalized energy policy that can be enacted with. I mean not not like unilaterally, but very aggressively and the party's pressure can make it happen a lot quicker than

if there's we need to have a year of debate on this and that's not to say that that it's not a better system. No, preferable. It is. It is one of the things that that system is capable of doing that. Ours is simply not your comment is descriptive less than prescriptive. Yeah, and one of the things that I think was really interesting about reading that climate report from the Columbia Energy Policy Center was that something that they highlighted a bit is how one of the things that China does that's really effective is that they set variable goals for the various provinces and cities depending on what is achievable within those. So they make this forward progress within the the sector sectors of the country that that progress is appropriate

and doable right and apparently it seems like that is a very effective approach that they've taken. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's similar to I don't know if you've ever had to sell cars, but one of the things that they do with a bunch of salesmen is if you're a really good salesman they'll be like your goal for this month is sell 12 cars right and if you're a bad one they're like your goal is to sell four cars just because that way you're setting achievable goals for yourself which makes you more motivated to do so. It's one of the principles of productivity right and if everybody's trying to get 12. I don't know there's some sort of Bible verse about it. I remember that. You have to set actionable items that are achievable because if

not you're probably going to dismiss them as like oh that's pie in the sky shit. Exactly. So I just think that you know Alex is in the same way that I think it's important to give props to Alex when he says something like Trump is trying to extort Iraq and this is really bad. Yeah, like I think that that's important because it deals with Alex as he is as opposed to a cartoonish sketch when you see him saying that China just got catalytic converters. That's him treating his enemy as a cartoonish sketch and you see how ineffective and stupid that is and anyway that's all that's from my point. He's very dumb. He just hates China. He's turned them into a new big bad right. Yeah. So Alex or the old big bad as we started the show

Alex was saying that he's live in Australia. Yeah, sure. Why not? And one of the things he wants to do is take calls from Australia. Does he know there's a time difference? He does. And he brings up repeatedly the back when he used to be doing the night shift doing a late later radio. He'd always get calls from Australia. Sure he would. Sure he would. I leave that aside. So many calls from Australia. I don't care. Paying attention to the ATP Cup. Nick Curios has got some tasty aces. Does not come up. No, doesn't. Okay. So he's he decides he's going to take some calls. He ends up getting two calls from Australia and they're both great. Yes. Okay. So here he's here's where the narrative starts to pivot. I'm gonna go to your

phone calls right now from Australia. Appreciate people calling in with these record fires which have been manmade. Our sinister just setting them same things happening in where what California and other areas most those fires has turned out the government has confirmed they've arrested people that are doing it schizophrenics crazy people people want to burn down their house to get insurance money. So now Alex's angle on this is that the fires in Australia are arson. I can't stress this enough up to this point in the show he was saying it's a completely natural thing where farmers do controlled burns but now now it's arson this indicates to me that Alex had no idea what he was talking about when he started the show so he's planning to just hand wave this away is no

big deal. But when he saw a headline that indicated maybe there was some arson he decided haha I can work with that way. That's my way. There are some people who have been arrested for setting fires but it's absolutely not the main driver of what's going on in Australia. A large part of the push for the narrative that this is all arson surrounds an online conspiracy theory that climate extremists are setting the fire as a false flag in order to convince people the climate change is real which I expect will be Alex's position eventually what someone tells him about it. Yeah. But man if stone were still around we'd be on that right now. Maybe I don't think stone would care. He's got other issues. Like even if he wasn't going to prison he'd have other issues.

That's true. I think that Alex has seen some sort of a headline and now he decides to make a break in his coverage and go this way. And so now it's a conspiracy and he starts rambling about stuff that just makes no sense. The last 30 years they won't let him cut underbrush or fire breaks in California. That's a state rule. They won't let them do any of that stuff. They won't let them take out mountain lions. So the mountain lions are starting to eat people. This is the rewilding project. So how bad is it going to get. And so do you know anything about mountain lions eating people. No. It's a serious problem. Is it. No. Oh I should tell you there have been it's been 16 years since anyone has been killed by a mountain lion in California.

In fact only two people have been killed by mountain lions in the United States in the last 12 years. A 55 year old woman in a national forest in Oregon and a 32 year old woman in the foothills of north band Washington. So what you're saying is that mountain lions are hunting women in the Pacific Northwest. I guess there would be more truth than Alex's because you can't kill mountain lions. Now they're eating people all over the place. There you go. Alex seems to have this weird obsession with the idea that animals are eating people in California. He's brought it up about like what was the other animal. I think it was coyote. Yeah. I guess he just knows that California is a completely foreign land to all of his listeners.

So it doesn't matter how real anything he says about the state is look out. Don't go to California get eaten by a mountain lion man. I did not realize that predatory cats were a huge issue for the United States right now. Very serious. Very serious problem. Should I be worried. Forget about a run in Chicago. Should I be worried. Forget about a run. Okay. Cats and not the movie. No movie was predictive program. That is true. They're trying to normalize. God damn it. They're trying to normalize cats talking to you. So eight you're out one day. Mountain lion go. Hey how's it going. Rum tum tugger. Next thing you know you're eating that'll happen. Yes. That'll happen. I'm pretty sure Judy Dench killed at least four people in making that movie. Undoubtedly. No doubt.

So there are a lot of reasons why fire breaks are not particularly common in California but it's not so much that the state won't let you do them. It's because they wouldn't help. California's geography is pretty mountainous. So finding the right places to make the breaks would be pretty difficult. But more importantly one of the primary characteristics of California fires is that they are wind driven. The wind spreads the fire to such a great extent that creating fire breaks wouldn't really have the desired effect of stopping a fire's progression. The fire would really just jump over the break. The campfire is actually a prime example of this. They had breaks in place but it didn't matter. The fire crossed the breaks super easily. Paradise California did exactly

what Alex is suggesting. They spent millions of dollars to remove underbrush and make fire breaks a hundred feet wide. Embers from the fire were easily carried across that gap and the town was basically destroyed. Every one of the ten most destructive California fires have been driven by the wind which is not something that Alex's solution helps with at all. So once again we find Alex talking complete shit and having no idea of the topic that he pretends to be an expert in. Aha but we'll make fire breaks that go up into the sky. They'll be very tall. We'll make them out of wood. It'll be easy. Wood is great against fires. So there is no state rule that bans fire breaks. In fact Cal fire director Tom Porter told the LA Times recently quote we continue to do them.

They help us get people out of the way. They serve some purpose to slow down a fire but it's not really a full preventative strategy when wind is a factor. Alex is just making shit up about fire breaks and mountain lions to the point where I don't even know why he does this. Yeah like I don't know what the point is. He's not helping. He's not helping. Not even nobody even like is denying climate change is like yeah. I really needed that mountain lion bit there like it. No you could have just ignored that. I think he just thinks it makes it more interesting like I talk about mountain lion. Yeah I get the sense that he just thinks like I just make me sound or he tosses a little. He tosses a little inflammatory like oh we're 10 days. We're

going to be cannibals. There's mountain lions over there. Everybody's and I think watching out for birds. I think a large piece of it too is the other ring of California making it seem like some kind of a wild wild. Yeah you know you got the you know with the governor out there that Democratic globalist. You know he doesn't care about people. He wants these fires to happen and they're putting things in place to make mountain lions each. Yes you know it's just that sort of nonsensical over like cartoonish version of enemies. It comes back to that a lot of the time. So anyway Alex did watch the Golden Globes. Of course he did. He has some thoughts. I think this is the only time Dervais is going to come up. Okay. Alex's take on this is really funny.

Amazing things happened at the Golden Globes with the main comedian. Debatable. Coming out and exposing Hollywood as a bunch of pedophiles. That would have been really big news. I feel like that would have been really big news. He made an Epstein joke. Of course that's what Alex is responding to. That's it. Also I can't wait for Alex to find out what Ricky Dervais thinks about this God guy. I love it. I love it. Oh man. Yep. Oh boy. It's all it takes Epstein joke and it's all it takes good to go in my good books. Oh boy. What a phenomenal job. He has something amazing happened at the Golden Globes tonight. One of the most vocally annoying atheists in the world

made a tepid joke about Epstein. And you know what amazing according to things that Alex has said previously like the figureheads and the big figures in the atheist community are all vampire. Yes he is. He must be a vampire. Oh shit. He brought. Oh man. Alex makes some fucking sense for one second. No it's Ricky Dervais guy. He's not really an atheist. Yeah. Just just some some consistency some continuity from idea to idea. I need something. It's not important. So Alex goes to this first caller from Australia and yeah I'm I'm just turned 41 and I'm living in Hobart Tasmania now but I lived on the mainland basically all my life and there's always been fires as you say but I've never seen anything

like this before and I think the fact that they're being deliberately lit is something that Australians have never seen either like we you know randomly people will hear about people lighting fires but nothing like this and I have been reading some articles that um the eastern shelf that coming from Brisbane down to Melbourne that they are actually planning on a high speed rail train rail line down there and agenda 2030 sorry agenda 2030 cities along there so I have read a couple of theories that are both here and in California those things have been planned for us. So this is a popular conspiracy theory that's flying around online with literally the 2030 that's the updating of agenda 21. Great. So there's nothing to back this up other than that Australia has

talked about building high speed rail lines. It's just really some weak shit. Alex gets a caller from Australia and the main thing she brings to the table is that she read something on a dumb blog. Yeah. This is not good. She is bringing the heat today. This isn't good. Pardon the so Alex talks to her a little bit and it's mostly more of this and I felt really bad about how this call ends and I don't want to mock this person too much because she gets pretty emotional but I think if you take the content of what she's saying this is not somebody that you should take as a good source of information. I lived in Brisbane most of my life and I've gotten out of there because basically like all on the buses and different things like that they've called it

Australia's New World City. That's what they have named it Brisbane Australia's New World City and I'm like you can't make a statement like that and it doesn't mean it doesn't not mean something you know what I mean. So that's been sort of a decade that they've been labeled Brisbane as Australia's New World City and I'm like thinking well what what did that mean and then all these sort of pieces of the puzzle are coming together that if this is true they have this is the cheaper option of destroying that all of that bushland leading from Melbourne to Brisbane to clear the way for these rails and these cities. If that comes to pass it's just heartbreaking. I spend all day crying. Well thank you for calling and we hear the emotion in your voice Rachel please call

back again. God bless you and thanks for staying up close to the show. Caroline you're up next. Stay with us and what she said is what I was what people are already saying. So she starts crying there at the end of the call. What she's putting forth is that basically these fires are being set on purpose in order for the New World Order to create a high speed rail line throughout the country and it's all based on maybe like a promotional campaign. Yeah like because you could say the New World City. Oh you could say that you can't say something like that without it meaning something and it's like we have thousands of years of human history of people saying exactly that the New World. Yeah like you could you could say that it's a New World Order thing or you could

also take the words a little differently. Like you consider things like London New York. Those are world cities. Yes. Those are cities that are part of the they're metropolitan. They're they're part of the world community as opposed to you know the lesser extent that a small town might be. So Hong Kong is a world city. Right. You could say that this is a new world city. You could look at it that way as the promotional campaign being about we're going to build up Brisbane to the point where it is relevant on the global scale. Yeah. You could see it that way. Instead she takes it as a cue that now this is the globalists coming in and taking over Brisbane and it's just like I just feel very sad for her because it clearly affects her this emotionally. Yeah.

But I do feel like what she's bringing to the table is irresponsible. The conjecture of the all this is arson and it's all a conspiracy in order to build this rail line. Yeah. But Alex is going out to break and as soon as he comes back from break those details are now his narrative. Evidence is mounting that the mega fires in Australia are being orchestrated by multinational forces to clear out he corridors for future development and for light rail going in that's being financed by the communist Chinese. So he has nothing to back that he just has this caller who is called in with some speculation that she's giving him second hand from weird conspiracy blogs and I found a post on Reddit

that probably was part of this. Yeah. Like he is just this is not good. I mean at the beginning of the show he was saying no big deal natural thing. Yeah. Now the Chinese are evidence is mounting. Yeah. The Chinese and international groups are paying these fires on purpose. Right. I don't want to make fun of her. She's she's dealing with a massive tragedy and unfortunately in that reaction to it she's just got been like pushed towards this awful information. And so how to how to like balance an actual tragedy with what your imaginary reason for it and then to call Alex is so it's compounding the tragedy because all you're really doing is ensuring that nothing will be done to help or solve it or or prevent it from happening in the future.

That's fucked up. Yeah. But Alex isn't making this stuff up. Evidence is mounting. That's the fastest. I think I've ever seen that Fox News. You know Tucker Carlson says something stupid and then the next morning some people are saying that this evidence is not two seconds. Right. But there's other evidence. Is there clear with all the viewers out there. It's not like I'm just saying this is my opinion. There's a big story up on drugs report dot com from summit dot news. Nearly 200 people arrested across Australia for deliberately starting the brush fires. It's a big article. It's got the police. It's got the links. It's got the newscast saying all reporting on the fact that it's almost all deliberate arson. Not just people burning what's left of their crops

to put nitrogen and minerals back into the soil. No. It's being done to watch it unfold. So wait. That was how many what hour we had like a second. That's a contradiction of how you started the show. So that's great. Don't deal with that at all. Wow. But look the article that Alex is talking about on Drudge is on summit dot news. It was written by Paul Joseph Watson. So this is kind of the same thing as Alex just reporting on his own coverage which would normally be like. All right. Let's dismiss this out of hand. But I wanted to check in on the article to get a sense of the information. PJ Dubs is bringing to the table. Yeah. Firstly the headline of that article or the article that's up on summit dot news is quote

Australian police say arsonists and lightning to blame for bushfires not climate change. Then the sub headline is quote sit down global warming alarmists. This is a little weird. First of all because of the tone. Is this supposed to be reporting or is it a dishy blog where Paul slams people because it definitely sounds like the latter. They shut down dead spin. So he's trying to step into that space. I guess. The other issue is that even if some of the fires might have been set by arson the and others were started by lightning that in no way invalidates the argument that climate proponents are making that only refutes the straw man argument that Alex and Paul Joseph Watson are using to attack climate change advocates claiming that people

are saying that climate change literally started the fires. It's really easy to win an argument when you just pretend your opponent is saying something they're not. Yes. How exactly would climate change start a fire matches. Do they think that climate change is like if the earth gets hotter than some things are just so hot they burst into flames. I don't know. Is that what they are trying to say. I don't know because they're not clear about what they think people are saying. It does seem like they're being purposefully vague about it. Yeah. So I'm going to look at this article and I don't believe that it proves the point that it's making. But I want to clarify before I get into this. Even if every single fire was started by arson that doesn't refute the

climate change argument. It really doesn't. So this is not really even engaging with that level of things. This is just trying to see what Paul is up to. Right. So in the article Paul writes quote police are now working on the premise arson is to blame for a bunch of the devastation caused this bushfire bushfire season reports seven news Sydney. This is a reference to a tweet that seven news posted on January 3 along with the video news report. The news report includes footage from a police representative but he doesn't say anything about the scale of arson. In fact in the video the reporter who's doing the piece. He talks about suspicions of arson in one case and he talks about how it turns out it was actually lightning that set that fire. Oh the only proof here is

something that's in the tweet itself in the body of the tweet and I can't really find substantiation of that quote or anything past that. So I decided to check out seven news's Twitter account and there's plenty of coverage of the fires and videos posted to press conferences being held by police and fire officials and wouldn't you know it none of them are about how this is mostly arson. There are a couple tweets about a couple fires being considered suspicious but nothing on the scale of what Alex is putting forth. There's also a whole lot of coverage about how two people were struck by lightning on the same day though. Weird considering lightning is another way these fires get started. That is the most arson you can have right. If you get

struck by lightning and get lit on fire and then trip and start a massive bush fire that's still technically arson. There are two like there's a lot of coverage of this two people being struck by lightning on the same day which I understand it is pretty wild. I mean look the odds are slim. That guy looking at a double rainbow got a whole day of news coverage. So now again I want to be clear Paul's anti climate change argument is not made by showing that some fires were started by arson. That doesn't matter to the larger point at all because the real point people are making is just the climate change effects are making these sorts of events more severe. That being said I looked through his article to see if he was making a good argument

against even the straw man. Yeah and he's not nothing. No Alex is citing this number of almost 200 people who are arrested for arson but that's not even in this article that Paul wrote. So maybe he wrote another one or maybe he just made up 200 people. No I mean I guess he could have he could have written a second article on the topic. I'm not sure but I decided to try and track that down. This comes from right wing blogs like Zero Hedge and Post Millennial who are covering an article in The Australian which purports that since the beginning of November 183 people quote have been charged or cautioned for bushfire related offenses. However the article also says that only 24 have actually been arrested for deliberately setting fires. The rest of them

were probably given a ticket for flicking a cigarette butt in a high fire hazard area which of course is not good but not the same as arson. No. An article in MSN seems to indicate that 47 of these people were exactly that situation discarding a cigarette or match inappropriately and 53 of them were people cited for not following the complete fire ban so they might have been making a campfire or grilling or something like that. These numbers Alex is using are completely misleading. They're meant to make it seem like there are tons and tons of arsonists out there and that's all that's going on. That's not the case. This Post Millennial article on the subject concludes quote that's 183 people who have been arrested for arson resulting in catastrophic

bushfires displacement property loss and deaths of both people and animals. You can't you can't say that a bit of a leap. You can't say that it's at very least and dreadful over simplification. Some of these people who are arrested and starting fires they might be completely unrelated to the bushfires. For instance two separate arsons took place on January 4th and 5th in Elizabeth North one on each side of a duplex. These were just completely old fashioned arson one on each side of a duplex. One day it was one side. The next day it wasn't the other. Okay. So where is it? Two angry neighbors. I don't know. I don't know. They did arrest a guy who was holed up on a roof though in that neighborhood. So they have a pretty good sense that it was him. But like that has

nothing to do with the larger fires. That's just someone setting a building on fire. At least one of these people who was arrested was a 36 year old man who set a fire in Johnsonville which was contained. So that's not really related to the larger situation. Two teens were arrested for arson on January 5th because they were trying to break into a shed that they were trying to rob which has nothing to do with the bushfires. Right. There was another case in Melbourne of a guy who was arrested for arson but that was part of a theft. He was trying to maybe cause a distraction in order to you know that man has nothing to do with this. That sounds fun. One of them was a 54 year old man who was using power tools in Marsden Park which caused sparks that set a fire. Paul

would know that if he consulted his primary source 7 News who covered the topic 7 News also reported on a 79 year old man who was arrested for setting fires who's believed to have dementia. The point here is we don't know the circumstances of the 24 people who are arrested for deliberately setting fires. And this goes back to November. So it's been months. They're not necessarily related to the situation as a whole and it would be irresponsible to jump to too many conclusions. Yeah. It would not just be irresponsible. It would be a tantamount to massive scapegoating campaign that could seriously get somebody killed. Yeah. You know it's it's more than you know look if somebody if they put a like if we're talking about the Boston bombing

situation where they just put a random person's picture up and they're like this is probably the person did it. Imagine if it was your entire fucking continent was on fire. Right. You know right. And there are probably I mean from the indications that I see they're probably at least some people who are deliberately setting fires and are pretty fucked up. Sure. You know they call them fire bugs. Yeah. You know there are it does seem like there there are some people who are just oriented that way. Some people like setting fires true. And also some of the people might be trying to create independent back burns where they think that what they're doing is helpful like that's a possibility. I don't know if that's the case. Yeah. I might be making that up.

But right now Alex doesn't know either. He has no information to go on but he's relying on misrepresented headlines to craft a narrative about this tragedy that is all these people are just arsonists and you're totally right to is a really good point that is that scapegoating element because there are people who are getting arrested for this. And from the articles that I've seen wisely I believe a lot of the identities are not thank God because you could imagine how that could get like so incredibly out of control like this guy who who set a fire for whatever he did reason he did in Johnsonville that got contained yeah has nothing to do with yeah like you imagine if like his identity gets out and people just like I saw he was an arsonist

and now it's yeah no it could be incredibly fucked up yeah I because you look I just lost $1.2 million of property to yesterday so guess what this guy's got arson and now it's fucked and the other issue why it would be dangerous like scapegoating stuff is that according to the BBC there are between 52 and 54,000 bushfires in Australia every year 13% of those are deliberately set and half of those that are deliberately set are set by people who are under 21 which makes some sense oh shit the youth are generally more attracted to playing with fire and if some of the instances of the people who are arrested for fire related offenses are like 15 yeah like you could cause tremendous consequences in their life for something that yeah I mean you obviously got

to teach them not to do that yeah but you don't want to create a Frankensteins monster situation or the town is coming a lady a lady tweeted a bad joke about Africa and lost her entire life imagine if somebody just decided that you caused a bushfire right destroyed oh man so to sum this up and to conclude there there do seem to be some instances of arson the extent to which that is relevant to the actual gigantic fires that are going on is unclear at this point and to report it as such is irresponsible now larger picture whether or not a fire was started by arson is irrelevant to the issues the climate change advocates are bringing up but I decided to engage with this a little bit since it seems like something Alex is obsessed with it appears

that you know like I said there are some fires that were intentionally set but Alex is filling the gaps here with his fantasies that's bad yeah that's real bad that's so annoying that's so annoying that whole like oh you guys think it's climate change that's doing this and it's it's it's just like if let's say if Alex was a witch right and we had to burn him right I don't want to but the Lord says that it he would agree with me that's bad that would be terrible but imagine if that was all if that witch burning was also surrounded by everybody that you've ever loved who was lit on fire as well and then surrounding that was every building and they were all covered in gasoline right that's the climate change part it doesn't matter if you light them on fire

so leaving that aside he's a witch the interesting thing is that like they don't crystallize what the argument they're refuting is that the climate change people are putting forth and so this argument that like hey there's people setting fires it doesn't do anything to the climate change argument but it does contradict Alex's prior argument yeah the only thing that's being refuted is things that Alex has already said yes so that's cool yeah anyway it's good to know that he can really synthesize new information and and add it he does a good job yeah yeah that's great and now he complains more about the golden globes we're going to Caroline then I'll get to those clips I mentioned and walking Phoenix well I find insufferably obnoxious with his fake autistic act

he does everywhere and you know what it's it's it's it's but but he gets up there and talks about don't eat meat it's bad for the environment that crap but at least says let's stop flying on private jets all the time being hypocrites yeah if you really believe that's bad then meanwhile the real private jets in the jet fuel have the barium salt limited to oxide an industrial level added as part of this international secret agreement and it's actually messing with the atmosphere but oh don't it's like California dumps the most deadly fluoride the water with hundreds of other chemicals in it they have a waiver under prop 65 but then if you sell a product with one billionth of what's in the water they'll sue you out of existence just don't watch the golden globes man they're not for

you dude I know they're not for me I don't watch them so as for prop 65 Alex is just baking up the thing or california has a waiver to put fluoride in the water yeah sure they got a waiver he's just mad because prop 65 requires that people provide warnings for the presence of certain chemicals and toxins in the products they sell they wouldn't need a waiver for fluoride because it's not on the list of ingredients that require a warning even if that was relevant Alex is making that up the issue here is that california has far more rigorous standards for supplements than a lot of the rest of the country and it also has by far the largest population if Alex doesn't meet their standards with his product he misses out on approximately

39 million potential customers but it also costs him a bunch more to produce his dumb pills if it weren't for california prop 65 his profit margins would be a lot higher because he could just make trash and sell it yeah that's all he's complaining about here that's what he's upset about it's very annoying I have to have so much less lead in my products because of california's prop 65 and it makes me really pissed off look as insufferable as I find actors and celebrities to be for the most part I wish more conservatives knew that the main reason they are their fervor to hate california has drummed up is because of rich people don't make as much money that's it it is a big part of it Jesus so now we learn more about australia in this next

clip and we see that the crystallization of this narrative has happened Alex is now reporting 100 percent reporting and he said it wasn't his opinion this is yeah okay Australia the chai calm government and china's right there basically runs the place and really the global china runs Australia is changing but australia was going to be invaded by japan in world war two I mean they're right over there in the middle of this and china says they look at australia as a place to invade so these fires are very strategic they are arson so I'm sure he watched the golden globes last night and somebody just showed him a regular globe and he was like holy shit australia is really close to china also I'm sure queen elizabeth is going to be upset to hear the news that china

runs Australia that is important yeah yeah that clip is important because Alex is asserting that these fires are arson and we're done strategically as a fact this is not a person putting forth an opinion he's reporting this and he has no reason to do that an hour earlier he was saying this was just natural it's just what happens when farmers set fires on their fields but no the globalists you know they want to tell you that it's climate change yeah in the span of less than an hour on air he's completely changed his tune and now he's pretending that he didn't start the show saying it was no big deal now this is a gigantic deal it's the biggest deal but the chinese government is paying arsonists to set fires to clear the area in order to prepare it for high speed rail lines and

agenda 2030 whatever sure this is how easy it is for alex to convince himself of something the thing that I want to highlight is that this is not a product of his stupidity this is striking while the iron is hot this is craft alex sees an opportunity here there's a massively traumatic world event that would be getting a lot of attention in the coming days and he's seen it get a lot of play in the golden globes so it's a perfect place for him to plant his flag that's what connects his initial position with his new one they're both contrarian to the point to the rest of the world like the rest of the world as a position and he's pushing back against it they're meant to be optically subversive and present some kind of elevated understanding of what's going on in the

rest of the world that no one else has access to when the show began alex didn't have a good angle on the conspiracy for this because he's not that creative he steals pretty much every idea he's ever had from his 9 11 prediction to the hillary for prison bumper stickers to the catch phrase about the answer to 1984 being 1776 steals everything alex cannot create he can only absorb so the best he could do at the beginning of the show was to be a contrarian who says that you don't understand how control work burns work you're getting all hysterical about climate change whereas alex understands everything he's zen he knows that this will just lead to better crops then he gets a call from a nutty australian lady and he and she reads blogs he doesn't even have

time to read anymore so she repeats the popular conspiracy lying to him and he recognizes that's probably got more juice in it than this condescending controlled burnt bullshit that's some good stuff so he jumps on it this is how it sounds to me i might be wrong but what i know for sure is that alex isn't basing this narrative on anything real he's making a strategic decision based on what he thinks will make him more interesting and probably lead to a better financial outcome for him more attention more you know anytime there's hot button issues staking some sort of a claim that is counter to what everyone else believes is a way to try and filter people like oh that's interesting let's see what this guy is to say that's all this is that and you see how it how it

builds yeah his his ability to go from like listening to her thinking man i wish i had thought of that to an hour later being like man i'm so glad i thought of that and i'm so glad i'm so glad that i am so well trained and knowing what the globalists are up to that i was able to deduce this yep i thought of it by myself alone yep so alex is now securely in that position that this is the narrative and he moves forward with it these are the biggest fires in australian history the globalists are saying we need carbon taxes to fix all this but the police say all the fires are arson and they busted a bunch of people in the acts of doing it waiting till the driest time of the year setting the fires burning up all these corridors right where the chinese are putting

in light rail so now you can see how the narrative is evolving yep whereas at the beginning of the show you know again he's saying it's no big deal you know now he's pitching it is the biggest fire ever and that change is because now he has an angle on it to pin it on the globalists it's no big deal to him if the fires are big until he has an angle now that he's found a way to blame his enemies it's crucial that the event be as big as possible and you can't do bigger than biggest ever now he's saying that the police say that all the fires are arson which is not true and that they busted people in the act which is at least not accurate in the way alex is saying it he has his motive thanks to that caller that the chinese light rail thing is going on and now

alex is set he's got a conspiracy that he gets to yell about it doesn't happen too often but this is a really clear cut case of alex improvising a conspiracy this feels really similar to the boston bombing stuff where you can almost see the gears moving in his head yeah and it's honestly sick it's sick shit it is unfair how asymmetrical the info war is yeah you know like we have all the info and he's like haha i counter you with none and somehow i'm still winning it's fucking unfair and then you get him under oath and he says show oh it's just an opinion just my feelings i feel good i just talk about what i think i just talk about what i feel yeah so alex has got another caller from australia who is certain that this is a agenda 2030 globalist sure and

we don't need to listen to a ton of that because it's just sort of a meandering conspiracy basically but i want to play this clip because i think this is sort of people say stuff like this and you're just like you shouldn't be listening to people who also believe these things really dodgy things going on like i mean there's a a photograph taken of a fire the other day and there's a freaking laser being coming from the sky into it i've actually pulled it in and i've had a look at it and it looks like it was taken on a um on a mobile phone and it doesn't look like it's been the photographs being tampered with wow send that photograph to show tips at info wars dot com carolina thank you so much wow so when you have somebody who's talking about this chinese globalist

conspiracy for light rail and all this stuff and then they tell you know what i saw a picture of this and it looks like these were set by laser beams you kind of have to be like okay i should take both of those things right as being equally right coming from the same place sure so i i i got to say if you're going to go around with the laser beam stuff i'm going to treat your thoughts about the light rail yeah and that grand conspiracy with the exact same disdain and uh dismissiveness i love that right i love i love an australian person down playing what should be the single most terrifying thing that you can describe right mm like if what she's saying if she believes what she's saying is true she thinks somebody used laser beams to set a fire right and we

can just take a picture of it maybe the hell he's like these freaking laser beams and that's it moving on where are the laser beams coming from the sky is it ufo is it not important it's from the sky right i heard that i was like i feel like alex has got to be disappointed like going into break like he's got to speak fuck i got laser beam lady why didn't i cut that call off sooner jesus what am i doing anyway bunch of freaking laser beams he's basically done with the australia portion of the show now and he gets back to talking about iran sure and you know on the on the next day on friday you got to get steve pochennec in there because he's got some thoughts about the holocaust sure sure gotta gotta be done gotta be done oh i'm still not over that by the way

what that the holocaust didn't happen that steve says that that's deeply traumatic to me i feel really guilty you feel betrayed no i feel guilty about like not knowing i mean i had no reason to know that about his beliefs but we've treated steve as sort of like a goofy sideshow for quite a while yep and these sorts of revelations about him make me feel pretty mixed about the previous conversation yeah yeah like i think i feel like if we found out that someone else that you know we know i i guess like i bet carry denies the holocaust she has some definitely some anti somatic leanings but i haven't heard her go that far okay she has platform people who deny the holocaust for sure yeah like jim fetzer at this point i i in this entire community i just assume

that's the massive anti-semitism until that's the other thing till proven otherwise how do we now operate from a position of not just assuming eventually these people are going to deny the holocaust how do we get introduced to a new person i can never see these folks with fresh eyes ever again no you know you give you give the benefit of the doubt for a little while and then eventually well all right that's man you just you just don't know how many people deny the holocaust until you're confronted with a relative acquaintances it's a mess just suddenly denying such a mess so alex has steve on on friday in order to get to the bottom of that but he has another geopolitical expert that he's had on for years that went away for a while but now

it's coming back into the fold and that is joel scousen so alex introduces joel here's somebody who definitely believes the holocaust happen and a wide-ranging knowledge that joel scousen of worldoffirstbrief.com he's the editor of worldoffirstbrief.com it's excellent also a former marine corps officer and naval aviator and his family's been fighting globalists for 60 70 years obviously clion scousen we wouldn't even know about the globalist for whatever clion scousen the first person ever used that term uh but uh so scousen's on for an interview and i don't have any clips of it because fuck that dude right i find him exceedingly boring uh it's just he comes on and says that every single thing is a false flag that's like all he does yeah he's on to tell alex that trump

fucked up and fell for a globalist trick by killing sulamani it appears that he thinks that this was a deep state setup and now trump is being a real dick on twitter and making things worse yep it's a dumb interview but alex is pretty receptive to scousen's anti-trump messaging particularly given the circumstances where alex is realizing that trump is trying to provoke uh iran iraq kind of with his threats and saying that we won't leave unless they pay us if there's a recipe for a dismount from trump it feels like this could be a path towards it joel is untainted from the time that alex spent with trump because he had critical views of trump the whole time right and wasn't on for yeah long stretches because of it and he still has a good rapport with alex and the

respect between them hasn't been diminished this is a good person to let your wagon to now right now if you want to alex plus joel scousen is anti-communist royalty because he is w clion scousen's nephew if i were alex i would make a move now get on board you have joel scousen you might got to get rid of steve that going back to that well might have been a bad idea but joel scousen is still there you can get back to your anti-communist bullshit with this like this is a rock you can build on if you want to save whatever you can the rest of it's just going to be destroyed like it the rest of this is going to fall apart just naturally it's not the global that's doing it it's that you have built your house on sand yeah so it's unfortunate i hate to

give advice to alex that could work but leaving trump with scousen is your best plan that's maybe at this point leaving the planet with klingon scousen would probably be the better way you're not going to know no not going to give me that one from hell's heart i stab at the irs what else you got we doing this i don't speak klingon so i lied i actually do have one clip from the scousen interview and it's them talking about qanon it's of course scousen hates qanon good but that's less important than alex in this clip actually confirms a theory that we've had for a long time okay nothing that qanon has said has ever come true this is a pure disinformation expert and sadly a lot of trump supporters including my some of my subscribers i was

thinking i was thinking i'm just gonna endorse it and then co-opt it publicly and go jesus q says this q says that because everybody loves a little magic stuff because it's it's it's it's definitely a delusional issue and it's sucking up so many good people into it yes so alex is literally saying there that his plan was to co-opt qanon and then use it as a vehicle to pretend q said certain things should you be saying this out loud i feel like that should have been an inside thought yeah that one you keep up in the break i was planning to defraud people you don't let that one out your mouth that's what we've been saying all along like with zack was a big attempt to do exactly that like this like alex is basically saying i had a grand plan

to use this very successful thing in order to manipulate my audience and it didn't work why would you say that i have no idea because it because fucking nobody's listening i think that's the real i think that's what we should take away from this at this point nobody is listening or alex is in some way able to rationalize this that it's the greater good i would be using q yeah i would be using q's voice to give good messages and that's just delusional you'd just be using it to sell your pills yeah no he's just he's literally saying i was going to defraud i was going to lie to everybody who likes me that was my plan and if i had done that joel i wouldn't be telling you about that i'd kind of hope to take over q yeah now what's interesting about this is if you look

at the history it's absolutely very likely that he did make serious gestures to that yeah zack is one of them his uh fake intelligence guy yep and then the other one is that while jerome coursey was working at info wars he started to become a big q guy really he started to decode q clues and he was going to write a book about it he was getting really on board with it and it probably only ended because q yeah started like the followers started turning on course yeah yeah and so like i so then he had a hissy fit i think that zack and coursey were both attempts to co-opt that thing and this is exactly what alex's pattern throughout his career is the tea party q anon trump these are the things that he recognizes potential in and gets on board with in order to absorb them or co-opt

them into his revenue streams yeah that's i mean in the same way that i was talking about earlier alex can't create he can only absorb no this is the this is the attempt to do that he's admitting that that was his plan yeah that's fucked up yeah he's he's saying that he's like one of those cleaner fish for a shark that's all he can do he's he just swears swims around and cleans off the sharks back i was thinking more the borg the borg you think of the borg yeah i thought that because that cling on reference earlier probably okay so alex while talking to scousin you know the idea is that trump got set up by the deep state in order to do this alex starts to sort of manufacture excuses and and completely make stuff up about what trump was going through in order to sort of

trying to rationalize humanize the decision-making so he doesn't somewhat you'll see the impeachment was was was was hurting the globalist trump's real numbers were way up and i agree he sees it as oh it looks like i'm you know i've been indicted he wants to change the subject and i that's right do you guys just say yeah they're putting him into a situation alex where they're going to have him go to war it's not going to turn out an easy war like iraq it's going to what damage all over the list the straits for moses you said is going to be shut down oil prices are going to sky rock and donald trump is going to get blamed and that's what i'm predicting so because they told him let's stop a shiite uprising to take over iraq he believes it thinks he kills them that stops it

then they trick him into escalating hitting cultural sides then it's absolute jihad against trump it blows up they act they activate sleeper cell all over the place and cnn's already scripting that it's all trump's fault when those things happen finally cnn finds a war they didn't like even though they're helping engineer the whole thing back in two minutes alex is just making all that up wow that is a fantasy of his yeah now the the reason that he's doing that is because he still needs to make the globalists the bad guy even if he is recognizing that trump trying to extort iraq is not okay so i think that what he's doing is trying to judge trump's actions by ascribing them to the globalists yeah and the best he can do is that

like trump is gullible and he got tricked because he was so upset about the impeachment and he thought his numbers were going down and so he committed a political assassination yeah shouldn't be okay but somehow wow he was put in that position it's there look if the democrats hadn't impeached him right then he wouldn't have assassinated that guy clearly that means it's the democrats fault it's cockamamie nonsense i mean the best the best strategy i guess he feels that he has at this point is to say that trump is incredibly weak and is willing to commit potential potentially international crimes in order to distract from an impeachment which is exactly what he yells about clinton all the time yeah i don't know this is nonsensical but like if it's leading to him

leaving yeah it makes sense if not if he's staying on board with trump and using these sorts of thin fucking rhetoric moves in order to justify it i don't know i was listening to a little bit of the show today alex's show today as we're recording this on the seventh and because i just wanted to get a sense of like what's going on i just turned it on for a little bit and he's screaming about how mike Pompeo is the sure he's the one yeah so it's like okay maybe maybe that's the scapegoat he's gonna go with is like fuck Pompeo i know i know that in order to do this show we've both kind of tacitly agreed that occum's razor should stay outside while we're recording right right but this one could not be look at all the made-up nonsense that he tries to blast into

one explanation when it's just very simple he's a fucking evil dude it's just so simple yeah and he has exactly what we've told you he was he's a con man who has he was a psychopath he's willing to commit war crimes like he said he wanted to do during the campaign right he did say that a bunch yes so the yeah i think that that's probably true and then also just to be not like singular in the focus like he also obviously has some terrible oh yeah yeah yeah no he's surrounded by the i mean the reality is like yes this and hey hey take all that aside he's still responsible for this decision no it's the democrats they impeached him dan even if the globalists quote unquote tricked him into doing this still his responsibility no if the president

gets tricked it doesn't count don't you remember that was nixon's defense the buck stops over there the buck stops with the democrats no matter fucking what right so alex has another guest in its chris tonto peranto oh no one of the survivors of ben gazi and i think he's just on to promote his new podcast i don't know what is going on this is oh is he looking for guests this is a weird interview so he has him on if you recall like i said he's one of the survivors of ben gazi the interview is not very interesting to me outside of what seems to be tonto's main point which seems to be that he's not happy that people were calling the situation at the iraqi embassy another ben gazi he seems to take that personally which i think is fair play yeah

i have no problem with that angle good call yeah now granted alex was saying that the globalist wanted the embassy to be trump's ben gazi 100 percent was saying so he's kind of guilty of exactly the thing that tonto is taking issue with but for me this is a little bit of a who cares situation all due respect to tonto for his service and i definitely see where he's coming from you know being a ben gazi survivor you wouldn't want your experience to be used as a political prop huh also alex tries to get tonto to back him up that it's fucked up that trump is going to you know he's trying to get iraq to pay for the base before we withdraw yeah tonto is totally cool with that he sees he says he's seen us leave bases before and he's like that's a lot of money

we're leaving behind so it's a little uncomfortable all right that alex's big uh war hero guy that's on the show is invalidating his line with trump that like this is bullshit like that tonto's like that's fine uh tonto yeah so it's stupid and pointless uh but alex does say one thing that's pretty funny tonto peranto is our guest tonto's been kicking butt again best known for one of the heroes and survivors of the gazi as you pointed out to the men that died still haven't even given an award which is people aren't wanting awards but it's kind of a slap in the face uh and he's pointing out that trump had nothing about that and again it's not that we dislike trump it's that we're not a cult here ladies and gentlemen and trump noticed that almost under obama nobody was

getting awards because it was it was a way to kind of put the military down really so alex is saying the president obama didn't give out any awards you can't do that trying to demoralize you can't just do that nope did you know that obama gave out the most presidential medals of freedom of course he did ever of course he did he beat out number two on that list reagan by 21 medals i was going over the list and one thing that stuck out to me is that obama's list of recipients is pretty broad from like maya angelo to john glenn to bishop desmond tutu trump's list is mostly athletes trump has given out 14 medals of freedom and seven of them were to athletes the only non-athletes he's awarded are oren hatch edwin mes who's the reagan attorney

general had to resign after a corrupted a corruption scandal sheldon adelson's wife miriam antonin scalia economist and trump advisor arthur laffer and posthumously elvis pressley there was also a former justice of the minnesota supreme court alan page who got an award but he was also a former professional football player wait so that one's kind of a push so nixon and elvis were friends and elvis still didn't get a presidential medal of freedom i i yeah i guess that's fucked up that's fucked up nixon yeah that's fucked up also everybody else a murderers row of evil truly if anybody deserves the presidential medal of freedom those six names are the bottom of the list or i suppose eric prince is down there or an hatch antonin scalia

adelson's wife oh adelson's what just fuck edwin mes which uh which athletes i don't remember i had anybody good tiger woods tiger woods no god damn it presidential medals of freedom aren't necessarily military awards although obama did give one to a military figure and trump has not at this point so even that argument doesn't really make sense i imagine the next guy to commit a war crime is going to get a medal i thought uh why not check other awards like purple hearts surely obama gave out some of those and of course he did no fucking huge list he didn't obama gave out plenty of medals of honor also which are specifically for military members the point alex wants to make is that the people at ben gazi have not been awarded any of these

medals yet which is fair enough as a point yeah but he's extending that point far past the marker where it becomes a complete lie which it is it's a complete lie if you want to just talk specifically about the people who died and the survivors of ben gazi not getting these awards yet you can have that conversation and it's what tonto is bringing up and he does extend it even to trump not giving these uh awards to these people absolutely it is a fair conversation it's not fair when you turn it into obama is trying to demoralize the military by not giving out awards it's just a lie they just don't care they just don't like anything no and everything that could possibly be pinned on obama is guys he's he's a he's just a black president he's just a black president and that

doesn't make him infinitely evil right that doesn't mean that he's not giving out medals what's insane too is that like these there are fair there are fair criticisms that could be so many and they aren't coming from alex ever these criticisms that do come up or either lies or just complete misrepresentations and you would think if you really wanted to make hard hitting points you would go with real criticism yeah and somehow you don't well it's probably because alex doesn't read anything you know it's it's a bad day to criticize if you're if you're a trump supporter it's a bad day to criticize obama's expansion of the drone program without mentioning it does get messy yeah so we have one last but he did wear a tan suit that one time so and there's

a mustard situation yep so we have one last clip here and it's alex getting to wrapping things up with the sales pitch and i find this to be grim our audience isn't an audience you're activist you're winners you're incredible let me speak of this if we could finance we can complete this year go into the next year and keep fighting you know they want to shut us down don't let them win folks we need to stay in attack formation this isn't a gimmick when i say oh yesterday was the last day of the super end of year mega sale but i'm extending it because i'm so busy i'm very busy i haven't got all the new ads for the new specials that are excellent specials they're just not as wide and we'll never have specials this probably this big again unless we're going out of business

i mean this this year in sales we don't have inventory taxes and things so you know a company is doing well when their CEO is doing an ad read saying we'll never have sales like this unless we're going out of business and no i'm not just pretending to be busy to extend the sale a little longer like i always do it's totally because i'm super busy running this very healthy business that's not about to collapse that inspires confidence also this episode is on the sixth on the seventh when i was listening to a little bit of the show they ran an ad that cut from this this clip from the sixth is already in an ad on the seventh how busy are you if like and he does say like okay sales might end in two days because the editors have to put together the ads whoever

the editor was that put together this ad that airs on the seventh from audio from the sixth is the only competent info wars employee up to this day well then it clearly shows that whatever the holdup is is not what you say it is no it might be inventory taxes taxes is one of eight states in the united states where companies are taxed on all they're carried over inventory at the end of the year the reasoning is that the state doesn't want to it wants to disincentivize businesses to produce large amounts of inventory that they can hoard so they can fuck with their workers with like decreased hours and layoffs during slower times alex is letting slip a little bit that his gigantic sale at the end of the year was about avoiding paying inventory tax on the

products left in his warehouse come january that's some sleazy shit right there but i would also kind of bet that he did that because he can't afford to pay those taxes earlier in the show alex said that he had to cancel that new show that he launched firepower because they couldn't afford to pay the board operators they just launched that show like a month or two ago this is an impressive failure speed wow david night has still managed to maintain his show for a couple years now and i'm certain that no one likes it and it is not a positive return on investment either alex is in really bad financial straits right now and he had to manipulate his audience into helping him offload his pills so he wouldn't have to pay taxes on them or he's doing okay but he's reached a

point where pretending that he's going out of business is the only play he has left to milk sales out of his committed base neither option is great so good luck alex hopefully 2019 is the last year you even have to think about inventory taxes this is a mess yeah whatever it is it's he's manipulated his audience that's that's wild yeah i i've never i didn't know that a radio show could run the same way that mattress stores do going out of business forever that's crazy yeah eventually that that thread will be less compelling to his audience i don't think it's a good long term strategy yeah usually that's a the definition of diminishing returns yeah so anyway this brings us to the end of this episode i think it's really interesting because you see like this pivot that

happens like just over the course of like an hour related to the australian fires you see the bullshit you see the attacking the climate change advocacy position by extraneous points that have nothing to do with the arguments being made you see all of that it's really fascinating to me and then you see this weird thing with iran where alex clearly has a line but also even if trump is past that line he has to make it the globalists fault yeah he can't allow it's too threatening to the last years of his life to accept that trump is doing these things because he wants to yeah because he said he was going to do right yes um so i i think that that's a really interesting development and i am interested to see where that goes because if the the combined circumstances are

correct and they work in the right way i do think that if trump carries on this way continually and keeps going down this road it could lead to alex having to make a decision and i i i don't know i'm also i don't know i'm at the point where i'm so fucking jaded by the idea of like this will get him to leave yeah no it's until until trump doesn't have power that's it that's when he'll everybody everybody once trump is out of power will be like and i condemn i roundly condemn all of the things that trump and i don't like the way he treated it's very but he's not going to criticize him it's very really until yeah we'll see i don't know and that's why their main goal is to make sure he never leaves power yeah um but anyway uh we will be back jordan on our next episode but until

then we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com mm we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and i go to bed jordan you can find us on facebook we are on facebook and you can go to itunes download podcast leave a review say nice things uh donate all i have a great time uh that's correct we'll be back but until uh then i have uh neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i was eaten by a mountain lion andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you