Knowledge Fight - #387: May 13, 2014

Episode Date: January 13, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan wrap up their investigation into Alex Jones' coverage after the tragedy at Sandy Hook, having realized they'd already found what they were looking for. In this installment, the gents jump ahead to cover a couple interviews with Wolfgang Halbig to see how Alex carried himself in that setting.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. We're a couple dudes. I like sit around trick novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan Jordan. We've had we've had quite a few lost recently, but have there ever been a musician whose death got to you?

I can't think about this question because I'm realizing as I say Jordan. I could just continue and say Jordan a Brewster who is in fast and furious. That's the that's where we're at. I got lost. Oh boy. Oh man. Who's your favorite character in the fast and furious. These two together.

Paul Walker's character dies because he passed away tragically. That's true. That was pretty emotional. That was rough. I'll get back to your original question. I guess maybe ODB from already bastard. Yeah. Probably hit me pretty hard.

21 somewhere around there. Yeah, that's right. When he passed, you know, the last two years of his life were very sad. And, you know, he was an instrumental part of me liking the Wu Tang clan. I really I appreciated his his a lot of Eve. Yeah. Yeah. And his his sort of perspective.

I don't know. That's probably not a great answer. But no, I think that's a I think see the thing about that is I didn't get into ODB and died. I grew up in middle of nowhere small town where everybody was like rap music is like that was it. So it wasn't until I left that I was like, oh, that's right Wu Tang. Gotcha.

Yeah. I'm trying to wreck my brain. I mean, of course, obviously there are people like Bowie or, you know, right, right. But those are guys that I like. I definitely appreciate it, but they weren't. It wasn't as much of the emotional connection as per se. Like my youth and right.

Right. The chaoticness of his character and I mean granted his real life really matched a lot of the the feelings that I had as a younger person. So you saw yourself in him well certainly without the explicit drug use necessarily or right. So right certain circumstances of life. Yeah. There was there was the old dirty moniker.

Sure, but there were things that I could connect to in him and seeing you know the you know him dying was very sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good answer. Thank you. Absolutely. All right. Well, that's my answer. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sticking to it. I just well. I just realized with Pert dying because that I was a drug hurt. I was a drummer. So so that actually I do take kind of seriously.

Sure. But I just realized that we're in the decade now where every major rock star from the seventies is about to die. Yeah. You know, I think that we've been in that for a good bit now. We've been in that for a while, but twenty twenty. You know, when you start the seventies, it's fifty years exactly from then. Sure. They all they were all twenty twenty five when they did it. Now they're all going to start dropping like flies.

Yeah. Yeah. That is probably true. Yeah. And or live forever like Paula White Canes possibly. Yeah. And it's sad that, you know, Neil Pert passing. He was in a rush is great. I love a lot of their work. It's a little bit silly at times like the trees right shit, but yeah, he was he was a great great drummer and a great lyricist and sad. Oh yeah. Yeah. And a sad man to very sad. He was very funny too. It's he was a he was an interesting character. Yeah.

Yeah. Rest in peace, Neil. Absolutely. So it's playing with buddy rich right now and shut up stupid as stupid as bit that everyone does out there. I don't like that kind of humor, but I do appreciate and know a lot about Alex Jones. Weird. I don't like that kind of humor either. And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. So let's ride this out sweet. So Jordan today we need to take a break from the present day because it's just been too much. We've been we're on like three straight weeks or something. No because we had that Bill Cooper episodes next day, but

it's been a lot of present day a lot especially lately. It's just been getting overwhelming. Oh yeah. Whether it be Steve Pachanic coming on and denying the Holocaust or good Alex doing a just outrageously Islamophobic real bad breakdown of an episode. It's just you got to you got to step back a little bit. And one of the things that I realized is that in the wake of all of this stuff happening in the present day, one of the things that we've really let slip is the 2013 Sandy Hook investigation. Sure. Sure. And I know that you and I have had conversations not on the show about

the feeling that like this is going to go on forever. Yeah, we are going to just keep going and Alex is going to stay in this wishy washy state where he's basically saying that there are actors, but not committing to it fully. Right. And that is probably not great for us or the show. It doesn't really lead us to where we want to go. Ultimately, I set out doing that investigation starting on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting and moving forward because I wanted to know what was the exact day. Yeah, that Alex started saying that no one died there. They were just actors and all of

that and like five months later we still don't have the exact day. No, but I've also realized in the process of doing it that the question that I was asking doesn't matter. Right. That's true. I felt like there was some merit to knowing that exact day. Yeah, to the point where I was going to go through that haystack to find the needle and in doing so I realized that the haystack is mostly needles. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That metaphor works. We've very much missed the forest for the trees. Exactly. Yeah, along the way you realize that even if Alex isn't saying that, you know, definitively

these people are actors. Yeah, he is justifying suspicion that their actors by saying that people who died or survived the Aurora shooting were actors. Right. Right. Right. So though he's not directly impugning the experience of these people in Connecticut, the people who died at the Aurora shooting were someone's child to right people who died at the Aurora shooting were other people's loved ones. He's committing the exact same behavior in relation to another shooting in order to justify suspicion of this shooting. Right. So long as words have meeting and literary devices are true,

he has functionally said exactly what we were expecting. So for some reason he's not willing to make that leap as it relates to Sandy Hook at that point. Right. But it's ultimately meaningless. He's engaging in the same disgusting behavior already. Yeah, absolutely. So I agree. Don't care. All right. Now along the way it is great that we were able to find the time of the Boston shooting. And I think that that was probably one of the most illuminating things for me researching Alex. Absolutely. Being able to see him spin a conspiracy in real time, adjusting to information, crafting things out of

thin air, pretending that the world is acting in response to him. Yeah. And whatever he's saying, oh, now they got to adjust their plans. That kind of thing was really, really fascinating. And I'm glad that we were able to find that not necessarily accidentally, but along the way of doing the Sandy Hook investigation. Yeah, I think those few days were probably some of the most exhilarating episodes that he's ever, like the way that I reacted to them seeing him create those conspiracy theories in real time. You could feel his excitement. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I want to end the investigation

quite frankly. Me too. I know it's a little bit unsatisfying in as much as we don't have the specific day, but I also I just think that we will be doing this like we'll be committing to this for the next five years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, going through his episodes and some of them are such slogs that I just I want. I want to we got to put a bow on it. Got to put a bow. Got to put a bow on and so today a bow shall be placed and what I'm going to do is I'm going to jump forward in time and take us to May 2014 where Alex Jones invites Wolfgang Halbig onto his show for an interview. All right now Wolfgang Halbig first

appeared on an episode from March 18th 2014. He shows up as a leading school safety security expert. He has his theories, but Alex isn't really all that like fully willing to jump along with him. Sure, although it's interesting perspective. He's given sure sure sure Alex will still say I don't believe I believe that some people died right then on April 20th 2014 Alex released a best of episode and included that interview with Wolfgang Halbig. No share part of the best of his sure that was on the best of one of the best wow. Yep there Sunday transmission is revisiting our best interviews. Oh man

I wonder how many potential I wonder how many potential lawsuits that could have been like outside of the statute of limitations would actually be pushed back in if you just went through all of his best of like how many crimes has he committed on a best of list. That's an interesting question. I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that he he considered that interview a month later to be one of the best and like I say it's got to suck if you got interviewed that year to look back on there like wow how big made the list great. I hope he never has a this is your life special.

So on May 13th 2014 Alex Jones has how big back on the show and the reason for this is because how big had crashed a new town school board meeting. Oh no no and so they're discussing the aftermath and fall out of that. It'll be interesting and we'll get into all of it, but before we do we got to take a moment to say thank you to some people who signed up and are supporting the show exciting long intro there. So first Connor. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk next Patrick. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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It'd be very helpful. All right. So now, yes, 2014, indeed, May. We're also going to be going over a little bit of September 25th, 2014, when how big comes back. Gotcha. Gotcha. Most of this will be covering May 13. All right. Set the stage for me. I already did. It's 2014. The mama's and the poppers have just retaken pop music entirely. Everybody's really back on that cult conspiracy tip. Let's do it. So here's Alex talking about some of the kind of news he's planning to cover on this episode. Man, I get in here after looking at the news last night and this morning and I just think, what am I going to cover?

Not because there isn't a lot of news. There is just too much of it and it all just gets crazier and crazier and more interesting by the minute. Well, it's been discovered found after 500 years of the wreck of the Christopher Columbus flagship of Santa Maria. That's the type of news we're going to be talking about here today. That's the type of news. I was hoping for Edmund Fitzgerald. I was really hoping he'd say that and then click the song right in from the Chippewa on down of the big lake. They call Gichi Gumi. The lake it said. Of course, you know the entire song. The skies of November turned gloomy with a

load of 26,000 tons more than the Edmund Fitzgerald Wade. It used to be a karaoke song of mine. Okay. All right. It had long instrumental breaks in it. Totally. That's awful. Yep. And it's depressing. Yeah. Oh, it's real sad. I was at a Roadhouse karaoke bar one time with a Nikki Gifts buddy Nikki Gifts and we I was singing the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald and I would in the instrumental breaks I would often propose socials.

You know, raise my glass to the good men and women who went down on that boat. You are a prick. Yep. So what I was doing that at this karaoke bar and this lady who's in a wheelchair was screaming at me. What do you know about good men? All right. All right. That's that's pretty fantastic. She had a fair point. I was being a prick. Anyway, Alex, he announces that he's got Wolfgang how big on the show and I would say that based on the vibe that he's giving off, he seems like he's okay

with how big theories. Yeah, and it should be clear at this point and consistently how big point has been no one died. There were no deaths. This is all fake. All fake. And Alex seems fine with this. And then we do have several guests joining us. Wolfgang how big former state police officer and runs one of the largest school training safety organizations in the country. He's also been a school principal after he's in the state police in Florida. But the whole point is that he's done an investigation and he says

looks like Sandy Hooks totally staged. And we know they've declared state secrets on it bulldoze the school. He went to the school board meeting and they actually turned the cameras off, shut everything down and wouldn't let him speak even in the allotted time. So they're acting very, very, very, very suspicious and no, folks, they'll pull off all the hoaxes we've seen like fast and furious. You name it. They will pull anything off and we're going to get an update from him. So we've got like this rationalization.

If they'll pull off all these other things, they'd certainly do this. Sure. He gives four varies to the suspicious. It is qualifies it quite a bit. This is very, very, very, very suspicious. So is that like eighty five percent more suspicious than just one very or like what are we dealing with here? I mean it has to be. Is it a logarithmic skate at this point? How big is a known quantity? Right? He's a known entity. Especially to the people in Connecticut. Yeah, absolutely like they know what this guy is all about. Yeah. So the idea that the board meeting would

not be interested in gauging with him is not suspicious. No, it is almost the most predictable and absolutely the correct move for them to make. Yeah. So he Alex talks more about how big going to this press conference and he seems to take great issue with the fact that an article and I believe Discovery called Wolfgang Halbig a conspiracy theorist. Alex seems to take offense at this. Yesterday it was in national news that they shut down that school board meetings will repull that article as well and get to that.

Here's the headline Newtown school board shuts down conspiracy theorist Discovery dot com. See if you don't believe known certified liars, if you question Obama saying there is no $5,000 fee per employee who doesn't get Obamacare kicking in in 2015 and on many businesses in 2014. If you don't believe Obama when he says a ball face lie, you're a conspiracy theorist or if he says you didn't build your small business and you say yes, I did your conspiracy theorist or if you know he says raising the debt limit doesn't raise the national debt and you say it does raise the national debt.

You're a conspiracy theorist. If you say two plus two equals four and not five, you're a conspiracy theorist. If you say that birds fly and the ducks quack, you're a conspiracy theorist. There's 15 more examples of the exact same thing. Yeah, he's really pounding his point home. I'm getting it. I got it, buddy. Yeah, it's pretty clear. So, I mean, if you take what he's clearly expressing there, it's that Halbig is talking pure truth and they call him a conspiracy

theorist for it. Halbig says two plus two equals four and they call him a conspiracy theorist. So that the only conclusion you can draw is you also think two plus two equals four. And in this case, we know what that is a stand in for. That is a Sandy Hook was fake. Right. Yes.

So it seems to be everything in Alex's presentation in the teasing of this interview that's coming up is meant to without explicitly saying, I believe the same thing he does. Yeah. It's to say he's right. Yeah. Yeah. With the upward everything he says has the tiny little upward

inflection at the end. So you're like, wait, is that a statement or a question? What are you doing here? Yeah. You know, and I know. So there's something interesting that's going on on this episode here in 2014 that it was absent from when we were looking at this stuff in 2013. And that is Alex does a bit of infomercialing.

Oh, really? Because Dr. Group is around. Oh, hey, welcome Dr. Group. He's not on the show, but he has arrived and Alex is now selling his products. He's in our orbit. I cannot stress to you the fact that I'm under more stress than I've ever been under and then I'm performing better under that stress than I've ever done.

And it's undoubtedly, I mean, I'll tell the story now. This is so important. I ran six miles every other day. I lifted weights every other day. Very important. And I ate like a pig. Okay. And I drank as much beer as I wanted to.

All right. For the time I was about 18 to 22, not a lot of beer, but you know, went out with the buddies, went out two step and all that. Why did you need to tell me on the weekends and looked like a mystery universe or something? I got dedicated to fighting the new world order, got death threats, got attacked physically. You name it.

I decided, hey, I'm not going to be around that long. I might as well just quit working out and just work 18 hours a day. Many days for years, I worked 18 hours a day, put down all those films, building my own media organization, everything. And it worked okay the first two years or so, but my metabolism slowed down and I gained 60 pounds. Now I look like Greg Universe. I went up from about 180 pounds to about 240 pounds.

Then I gained even more weight and went up to 275 is the biggest I've ever been to 75. I was about 275 about five, six years ago. Look pretty good for 275. Didn't need to say that. I have gotten down to 230 pounds. But here's the thing about five years ago. I started working out swimming two miles a day, several days a week,

two miles, open swims. I began doing five, six, seven mile hikes. Stop. Cliffs. Stop telling me all this stuff, but didn't really change my diet as much as I should, got more organic and didn't lose at about 10 pounds. Then I did some of the info wars health.com. Young Jevity stuff.

Also there are 25 pounds or so. But when I got the super male vitality developed by Dr. Grib and the fluoride shield in the last 10 months, I've lost another 20 pounds and I have more energy by his own telling of this long point of infomercial pitch. The young Jevity products works better. It seems like the numbers are 25 verse 20. I don't know.

I'm no dietitian nutrition expert. I don't know, but I mean the numbers, right? I don't know. Is it easier to lose 25 pounds when you're 375 or 20 when you're 350? I told you I'm not an expert. I think you need to find out. Look, the issue here is that the show is becoming more of this. There is more and it's noticeable if you jump from the 2013 to this and it's

the incorporation of these products. Now granted, at the same time, back when we were looking at the 2013 era, there would be times when the entire fourth hour or when you go into overdrive would be like one of those young Jevity weirdos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and some of his content did seem to be driven by some of their their products. Right, right. So it's Facebook and Teen Vogue.

Yeah, it's not totally foreign to his program, but there's more. There's more of it. It's happy. It's noticeable. Yeah. So you got this vibe going right. I find I find his general tone and demeanor while selling us a new super male vitality to be hilarious in the context of what super male

vitality did to him that we've seen five years later. He's got a long cogent story with one storyline. It's boring. It's boring as shit, but it's all about the same thing. It is. He got a good point. That is a great point. It's all about the same thing as dull as that story was and how many

times I thought didn't need it's got to be this long. I don't know why I'm I left all this and it is because of that because it is a story. It's one full story. He does lead to be. Yeah. That's a phenomenon that we rarely get any more happening. Nope.

Man, that's shit fucks you up. Stay off. Don't take it. No. So Alex is doing a bit of teasing throughout the show about how he's going to interview Wolfgang Halbig and I think if you listen to this, you can kind of hear him talking himself into Halbig's positions. We're back live.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us again for the first 30 minutes of the next hour. We're going to have the former state police officer and a man that runs one of the largest, most successful school safety training organizations. He says it's staged Sandy Hook and I know it's staged. I've seen Anderson Cooper with weird blue screen green screen stuff claiming he was there. I just don't know exactly what they staged.

Yeah, you know, the official stories are fraud, but then when a top expert like this guy starts investigating it, he's been threatened by the FBI at his house now barred from being able to ask questions at school board. I mean, they are really and you could see him with the kids going in circles, the same kids going in and out on helicopter shot in a staged event. Looks like a drill. They might have killed a few real kids in there. I don't know, but we know they were having a drill.

We know they had weird SWAT teams dressed up like the shooters there. Government connections to the kid. I mean, it's, it's the same deal. The Colorado shooter, ladies and gentlemen on record was under a top military psychiatrist. I don't even have time to get into it. It's coming up. I mean, it's staged.

It's staged. Okay. And they're doing this to come after our guns. So, I mean, you can, you can hear that. That's basically him repeating some of the things that he's comfortable with. Yeah. He's touchdowns he's comfortable with and it leads to him talk like at the end they're talking himself into.

Yeah, it's staged. It's staged and they're doing this to take our guns. So he's, he's just chipping away at what it is he will say. He's already, he's at the point where he's like, yes, it's staged. It's just a matter of scale. Did they stage everything or did they stage just the Anderson Cooper interview? It's staged.

He's, he's chipping away at whatever the resistance he has to jumping off the cliff. Right. So Alex starts meandering a little bit about how there's a slippery slope of political correctness. Sure. Sure. In the world.

Oh, it's ruining us. And this leads into him talking about how Soros is a Nazi collaborator. Great. So he's on that point here by May 2014, but what's interesting is less of that. So it is fairly interesting. What's more interesting is that in talking about that, he has a counterpoint of someone else who's cool, but everyone thinks is bad.

So I says, Hey, let's get Chinese food. Everybody's like, shh. At first it's, you know, you don't call it the Orient. You call it Asia. You don't call it Asia. You call it the East. You know, you don't, you don't say African American. Now you say this, it's just, oh, how do I please you.

Well, you turn your guns in. You pay more taxes to one body. That's how you prove you're not racist and you give money to Planned Parenthood to abort the minority babies to prove you're not racist. Okay. And you know, you also are a Nazi collaborator like George Soros, a famous one. And then you get awards from the ADL.

But if you fight the Nazis, the ADL will list you. Okay. And the government will send white supremacists that are government controlled after you have your Alex Jones. Okay. And then the Southern Poverty Law Center will imply you're a racist while they send the white supremacist after you are proven to be government agents.

And Arnold Schwarzenegger will dress up a Nazi offense and where death said belts, Nazi belts and say that he loves Hitler to Rolling Stone magazine and wants to be a dictator and he'll get ADL awards. But, but if you make a movie about Christ and make one comment you're baited into about Jews, you'll be crucified. Oh boy. So Mel Gibson's cool. So we're defending Mel Gibson.

Yeah. That's where we got from all of this. That's kind of yeah. Alex is like, yeah. Okay. So yeah. He was baited into it. You're a Nazi because your dad has a whole weird anti-Semitic thing that

you bought into clearly for 30 plus years. And all of a sudden you say it out loud one time and you're baited. You're baited and it's all because you made a movie about Christ. Yeah. Oh boy. Great. Yeah. So Alex leads into his interview here with Halbig.

I'm just gonna. I'm skipping a lot of this episode. Good call. It is more like that story. It is not great. And so he gets into this interview by listing off a bunch of the quote unquote inconsistencies about the Sandy Hook story. It's important to point out that these are not just inconsistencies that

he's listing that are like, Hey, here's some questions folks have. These are Wolfgang Halbig's talking points. He's saying that this is exactly what happened. Not maybe this happened. No. And so in leading into his interview, he's doing some lifting for Wolfgang already. Ladies and gentlemen, we have massive breaking news here dealing with the

first amendment in this country. If you look at the situation in Connecticut with the Sandy Hook shootings that were used to collectively put guilt on the American people and imply that gun owners collectively had murdered a bunch of little children in elementary school, you could see it was a si-op. It's come out that Bloomberg put out emails the day before saying get ready with our Twitter, with our media to have a big push against guns

the next 24 hours. Very suspicious. Then you've got the local regional SWAT team people hiding out in the woods in the same outfits as the supposed shooter. You've got the whole story changing. And the most incriminating is you got the helicopter footage of the people with their hands up coming out of the school in the evacuation hours after it supposedly happened, going in circles in and out of the

school, going in circles. They've torn down the school now. They've declared state secrets on the photos, the video. There's weird Anderson Cooper video where he claims he's there on the ground at the town square and he turns bigger than Dallas and it's a green screen. He's shimmering around the edges. His nose disappears.

You can see flowers and things blowing in the wind and then they do it again. It's the same footage being looped behind him. I mean, I don't know what happened there, but I know Anderson Cooper is admittedly a member of the central intelligence agency and they send him out on the disinfo pieces. So all this stuff is these things that now Alex is like, well, yeah, I mean, of course it's not a blue screen.

Of course, you know, when confronted with like, what is this footage? You say it's people walking. It's the students walking in circles. Yeah, I guess it's not like all of these things are things that he's now just like, of course, not standing by. Oh, no, but all of this is very serious and very proven here in May 2014 as he's leading into this interview.

And I mean, it's sad. I mean, yeah, sure. He said he was he was just having debates while saying that it was very true seeing all sides seeing all sides of the thing that happened. Yeah, and the other thing that he's doing in addition to establishing the talking points of Wolfgang how big before actually getting into the interview, which I mean that gives him a cakewalk basically for this interview.

He also Alex does. He goes out of his way to establish credibility for Wolfgang in order to frame this interview as an intrepid investigator going out to dig out the truth as opposed to it being like, well, this guy has questions. Is there validity to them? That's not what he's doing. He's presenting him as a hero. He's not a kooky guy and I haven't asked him this, but I bet him asking

questions the last year. Just looking at it and studying and I bet he's lost a lot of business with the system. But he doesn't care. I'm guessing that's I know how the system works. I don't know that I'll ask him out in a minute, but he's the exact type of expert witness you want who goes against his own interest. Monetarily to go out and tell the truth.

Now here's the bombshell news. This is in discovery.com Newtown school board shuts down conspiracy terrorist. That's people that don't believe the official story of known liars. So that's, I mean, we got it again. He's not. He just doesn't believe the stories of true known liars and just asking questions.

Sure. Wolfgang how big in his crew were not just asking questions that they knew town school board meeting in May 2014. They were going there as part of a rally for their Sandy Hook conspiracy nonsense. An article in the Connecticut Post describes the sort of behavior he was engaged in quote a half hour before the meeting started, how big followers rallied in front of the municipal center.

One man dressed as in a Revolutionary War era uniform waved a hanging effigy of Governor Daniel P Malloy. That's the sort of shit they were doing. That doesn't sound exactly like just asking question. No, no, no. I feel like asking questions is a maybe just one step below hanging things in effigy. Yeah.

So I mean even then it's it's close. It's close. I don't think it's close, but it's still not there. The day prior they dropped by the offices of the United Way of Western Connecticut demanding records of how charity funds and donations had been used only to be told that all that information is already public and they don't need to ask for it. Just go find it very easily.

I want to hear it from your mouth. Look me in the eyes when you lie to me. Interestingly, that article goes on to say quote seven members of the group, some carrying still and video cameras, then visited the offices of the News Times asking to meet with a reporter. A News Times editor met with one member of the group who asked for a story about their visit to the United Way, but the request was denied.

These people were engaged in a publicity stunt and their actions pretty well spell that out. There's really no other explanation for asking a newspaper to write an article about how you went to the United Way demanding records you can easily find online. The same could be said of Hal Big's appearance at the board meeting. The Connecticut Post describes his group of being about a dozen

or so people who each got three minutes to ask questions of board members. They didn't get what they wanted out of the meeting. Quote, board members refused to take the bait, remaining silent through presentations by Hal Big and several of his supporters who followed him to the microphone. The Connecticut Post describes the audience as, quote, respectful but thoroughly disgusted.

The reality is that this was a mentally unwell man trying to pull off an explosive publicity stunt along with a small group of followers. But for someone like Alex, this is suspicious. This is stonewalling and probably evidence that there's a cover up going on. According to the New York Magazine, after this school board meeting, Lenny Pozner emailed Hal Big requesting to talk.

The associate sent a reply saying, quote, Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you unless you exhume Noah's body and prove to the world you lost your son. These are sick fucking people we're talking about. No. Yeah, I mean, I think that's an appropriate response. That's what I'm going to say to that. No, just no, just go away for good.

Also, an important point to bring up is that on May 9th, 2014, InfoWars released a special report recorded in Newtown. The video was InfoWars reporter Dan Badandi, also known as the Kraken, interviewing Wolfgang Halbig outside the school board meeting. It's unclear if the video they show of Wolfgang addressing the board was actually shot by Badandi himself, but it's presented with an InfoWars watermark and the camera work is not good.

So it seems like it's a possibility. This is an important point. Wolfgang Halbig was trying to draw up publicity. He and his group tried to get the news times to cover their activities and no one took the bait. He tried to antagonize the school board members and they only gave him respectfully silent disgust, but InfoWars was not only happy to cover his filthy shit, they were there.

Without this amplification, this probably would have just been an asshole asking questions at a meeting to a disapproving audience. Dan Badandi, who Alex has repeatedly described as an employee and someone Alex sends on assignments, who's using an InfoWars mic for the interview, who clearly identifies himself as an InfoWars reporter in his sign off, is going out of his way to make this a story.

They're working hard to frame this as a heroic and trepid investigator running up into a conspiratorial stone wall in the form of this board meeting. The point is, this is not reporting. This is not hearing both sides of an issue. This is a group, InfoWars, masquerading as a news outlet in service of helping people like Wolfgang Halbig disseminate their theories.

This is clear behavior at this point. This is like a live broadcast version of Project Veritas. They go in, they fuck up regular ass people's day, not doing anything but screwing them over in order to broadcast it and lie about it. So days before the episode that we're listening to now, they'd put out this special report where Dan Badandi was there with Wolfgang and now Alex is reporting on the sort of drama surrounding Wolfgang

not being allowed to quote unquote ask questions at this board meeting. It's integrative. You can see the way that there's almost like Alex through Dan Badandi is causing trouble. And then now with the thin veneer of his sitting in the studio as a professional is talking about the fallout of it. It's ludicrous.

Alex is covering Godzilla. Tokyo won't allow Godzilla in to ask them questions. What's suspicious going on here? I think we know the Kraken. I think we know. So they talk about this trip to the United Way and I think it's just fucking hilarious when you realize the dynamics. So here's the headline.

School board shuts down conspiracy theorists. Now they've shot footage of this and Wolfgang's making a documentary, but he said he'll send us the raw footage as soon as it gets here, make copies on memory stick or whatever. We will get a special report out because this needs to be seen of them being shut down at the school board then trying to go to United Way and others. So you understand what's going on here.

Yeah. Wolfgang and his group tried to get a real newspaper to cover their trip to the United Way. Yeah. And they said fuck no. No. This is stupid. He tells Alex and Alex is like, oh my God, this is red meat.

Of course. Yes. Let's do this. Why didn't he go to Alex first? I mean, he probably talked to Badandi while he was there. Right. I'm sure there was a plan to do both. Yeah.

You just see that makes sense. You just see the varying standards by which people work. Right. The news times now get out of here. This is nothing. Alex. This is the biggest deal in the world. Yeah.

We could make coin off it. Yeah. If you're how big though you you're thinking, well, I've already got Alex on the back burner for sure. Right. So why not take a shot at a real one of the best of the interviews? Yeah. Why not take a shot at a real news outlet?

Yeah. Gotcha. So how big gets to talk in and he expresses that he doesn't want to be doing this. Yes, he does. Of course. But there he gives sort of a crystallizing moment of why he's on the war path.

I think it's important that every listener clearly understands that do I want to be doing this? Absolutely not. I'm retired. I mean, I got my AAP card. Had these police officers had the homicide investigators not come to my home a week before Christmas, Newtown would have never heard of Wolfgang Albig.

Nobody would have ever heard of me because, you know, as a national school safety consultant. Can we go back to that time? I simply was sending the FOIA request, Connecticut Freedom of Information request, asking simple questions that's not offensive to any of those parents who are supposedly lost a child. Wow. This is interesting.

And honestly, if I were Alex and I heard that I would take it as a sign that maybe Wolfgang is a little overly personally involved here. Could be. Sounds like he's mad about the police showing up at his house. Police showed up at my house. So now I am going to dedicate my life to harassing victims of a tragedy. Yeah. He's saying that if the police hadn't knocked on his door, he wouldn't

have gone on this investigation. Alex can hear that and think, yeah, all he was doing was sending out legal and legitimate FOIA requests and the police show up. That's a clear sign they want to silence him. However, that is not the reality. According to a piece in the New York magazine, Intelligencer, two Florida police officers paid a visit to Halbig to quote relay a message from police in Connecticut that he risked being charged with harassment if he

continued contacting people in Newtown. This was not the result of him sending out FOIA requests. It was because he was doing things like sending Sally Cox, the school nurse at Sandy Hook, who survived the shooting by hiding in a closet, a message saying, quote, why close your eyes when you've seen blood before? You are a nurse. By any standard, that sort of message being sent by a complete stranger who's bent on denying a deeply traumatic event that you've lived

through that counts as harassment. So by my metrics, Wolfgang is super lucky that he just got a polite visit with a warning from the police, but optics are everything. So this visit from the police, you know, it played a big role in legitimizing Wolfgang in the eyes of the conspiracy world. His work is so dangerous that they're sending cops into intimidate him. It's such bullshit, but that's the way this stuff works. And Alex is buying into it completely.

Does he not know what a FOIA request is? Does he think that a FOIA request is just like as long as you say, as long as you say FOIA at the top of it, like dear FOIA. And then you said you tell the nurse that she's seen blood before and she's lying. So like just like with United Way is like dear FOIA United Way, you send me these fucking documents or I'll kill you. I think he doesn't recognize that there is like a process and rules

with FOIA and it just means he thinks it means that I have a free access to all information. I think that is what he means. There is a freedom of information. So all information that means I have to give it to me. Exactly. If I asked for it, right, that might be the misunderstanding. That makes more sense.

Yeah. So how big is convinced that the United Way is skimming money because they wouldn't talk to him when he went to visit or something. Okay. So that's kind of a big part of this conspiracy is that people are getting rich by skimming money. Right. So he talks about that a little bit here because that's probably

true for literally everything. Well, I don't care too much exactly about that rebuttal that you're doing because it leads somewhere deeply disturbing and here's him sort of laying some track and it's important to point out that Alex not only doesn't push back on this. He kind of supports it and I think when you look at the amount of money that has been poured in the Sandy Hook in Newtown because of this incident, it all starts at the United Way Western Connecticut who

actually I mean you saw it advertised three days before the shooting. We're looking to solicit money three days before the shooting. And I think the big red flag is the Connecticut Attorney General's report on his finding. We're going to talk about that Wolfgang stay there. Yeah. And Bloomberg, this is in the news. He false started today before as well.

I mean, they were licking their lips. We'll be right back. This is hardcore information. This could bring them down folks. This is hardcore information. This isn't opinion. This isn't just discussing. No, we're not.

This is hardcore information. It's not a debate. This is hardcore. Also not true. No, that is an issue. Yeah. As far as information goes, that would make it more hardcore. I suppose then true information.

Yeah. Sure. So the United Way is up to no good according to how big here and he gets into a specific about it like and this is particularly disgusting on his part. Why are you saying United Way is so important? I mean, what are the big smoking guns because I know you're inside this investigation, but for folks out there, what are the red flags?

Well, the red flag is that you're looking at $29 million. You got the United Way Sandy Hook promise and there are 39 other community nonprofit organizations within Newtown, which received a lot of funds. For an example, the animal shelter in Newtown Sandy Hook. Alex, they got $450,000 from the Sandy Hook shooting. Now what does an animal shelter have to do with this? I understand.

You're saying the motive for the locals to go along with the fraud is money. I get that. Absolutely. If Wolfgang, how big or Alex Jones were sincere actors in this, they would point out that the reason some Sandy Hook related donations went to an animal sanctuary is because it was being built in the memory of one of the children who died in the shooting.

From an MNN article published on January 24th, 2013, long before this episode, quote, the family of one of the students killed during the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting is asking people to donate money to build a new animal sanctuary in her name. Jenny and Matt Hubbard's daughter Catherine died in the shooting and was very passionate about animals, so they decided a good way to honor her memory was to create an animal rescue and welfare center in her name.

The reason that the money may have flowed through the animal center, the existing animal organization in Newtown, is that they were associated with the project. They had an infrastructure, but they didn't have a shelter, which was part of this Hubbard plan, something it was meant to help with. The VP, the vice president of the animal center, Harmony Verna made a statement saying, quote, this sanctuary will be a place where

neglected abused or homeless animals can get a second chance at life, a place for children and adults to connect with animals in the natural world. Animals have an amazing capacity to love and heal the human spirit. We hope Catherine will think it's the most beautiful place on earth. In 2014, Connecticut conveyed some land across 34 acres to be the

home for this new animal sanctuary, which is continuing construction to this point in present day. It's a huge project, so that's not really particularly surprising that it hasn't fully been completed yet. There's no reason for Wolfgang Halbig to not know this stuff, and Alex has a responsibility to not passively let this dude lie about grieving parents trying to memorialize their daughter with an animal sanctuary.

Fuck both of these dudes. This is super irresponsible. Yeah, man. It's been a while since we've done a 13. So I've like when we were when we were doing both of them back and forth, you know, I was acclimated to two different times types of different kinds of awful. Yeah.

Yeah. And then I kind of let that 2013 go after a while. We haven't done it. And now I'm right back to it. It's like Jesus, how many different ways can you be a disgusting monster? Yeah, yeah. It's it.

You can't be in the present and be like, oh, this disgusting monster is doing shit like that and then go in the past and find a completely different level of disgusting. It's just bad. He's a bad person. Yeah. He needs to be stopped. Wolfgang Halbig has absolutely no excuse to present this

information this way. There is a very easy accessible explanation for why an animal sanctuary is getting some of the Sandy Hook donations that makes total sense. He has a responsibility to know it and the fact that he doesn't and presents himself as an investigator. That leads me to the conclusion that he's consciously omitting this information.

Yeah. Or I guess the other option is lying and those are the same. Yeah. And if you're if you were former state cop, I believe you're doing both at all the time and for Alex. He doesn't work that hard. No. So the fact that he doesn't know this and doesn't have this

information ready to rebut Wolfgang is unfortunate. He should. I don't know this. I don't think he would use that information either way. Probably not. Yeah. It's less an indication that Alex is lying and more an indication that he's not equipped to have these conversations unless the

point of the conversation is to passively allow a liar to lie to your audience and help them. Yes. And so that seems for money that seems to be more what's going on here than hearing both sides. Yeah. And it's like. Okay.

Yes. If you hear both sides of something and one of them is a lie and then you don't actually even really hear the other side. Right. Then what are you doing? It's not. You know, I mean if one side. I got nothing for this one man.

He's a fucking bad dude. Yeah. So I pause it that if you listen to this full interview, one of the things that you walk away with is kind of that conclusion that there is this is not hearing him out. This is not asking questions. It is Alex trying to direct Wolfgang in such a way that the talking points that are desired to get out are got out clearly.

Bottom line, there was a stand down and you've blueprinted all that out on your website, but I saw it happen. What about the kids going in circles back and forth the same people into the school for the helicopters that look like a fake drill? What about the guy in the woods that got picked up in the same outfit was part of the anti terror team? What about?

I mean, just go through those points. Well, you know, okay. I'm glad you should remind. I mean, I'm trying to stay focused. So what you have is Alex trying to serve up. Yeah. These are the talking points that are kind of safe for the audience at this point.

Yeah. So why don't you build from there? Yeah. Build your credibility and rapport with the audience on these topics and points that we've all become accustomed to. Don't make the water too hot yet. There's that kind of a vibe like get with the program and not like it's not like he's checking Wolfgang or anything like

that. But what he's doing is like there's a way to present this shit and this is the way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. That's this is a this is LeBron and Anthony Davis and a pick and roll. It's it's an alley you that's going to wind up a slam.

Yeah. It's collaborative in nature. Yeah. So Alex. Oh God. I hate this. I hate this clip more than I hate many other things. Okay.

It's because the reality in the world, you know the real one the shit pile that we call the reality. Yeah is that Wolfgang's behavior is causing a lot of damage emotional and otherwise to come to the survivors and victims families of the shooting in this clip. Alex allows Wolfgang to complain that he is being threatened and is you know he allows Wolfgang to present himself as the victim in this entire situation.

Yeah. I mean I'm getting threats all the time. I got some crazy people out there. You know they're attacking my wife. They're attacking me and everything else. But you know what all they have to do is answer 16 simple questions. You and I wouldn't even be talking today.

It's just it's unheard of. Okay. Wolfgang how big hid his harassment behind this thin veneer of having 16 supposedly unanswered questions which if answered he'd shut up. Naturally some of the questions are unanswerable or meaningless or already answered or perhaps most relevantly none of his fucking business.

Question 12 for example is quote why did the parents of two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life. Go fuck yourself. Yeah that's a good one. If that's one of the questions that makes your top 16 that you base this conspiracy on sure organ donation is a great thing

but it's a choice. I have no idea if these parents did or did not donate their children's organs. I didn't look into it because honestly I don't think I have any right to know that nor do I think it has any relevance here. The question is meant to imply that these kids did not exist to begin with which is why their parents couldn't donate their organs.

This is not a good faith question. It's an insinuation. It's an accusation and no answer would ever satisfy someone like how big imagine these parents saying something like we didn't want to make that decision on behalf of our child organ donation is an individual's choice and we didn't know what their wishes would have been. Do you think how big would stop asking the question at that

point because I think he fucking wouldn't. No I don't think he would stop probably not. It's very doubtful. Yeah that very reasonable explanation. To be clear I made up that explanation. I have no idea what the parents know. That's what I'm saying. Yeah it doesn't matter.

The explanation could just be like hey man we were in a fucking days. How about go fuck yourself. How about that. Right. Why didn't all this shit happen because what do you think right any any answer is not going to satisfy the answers are the excuse for the behavior.

Question number 13 is quote what happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary on December 14th 2012. That's an insanely broad question with approximately 560 different answers. If he actually cared there's plenty of accounts that you can find regarding people's experiences that day but he does not care.

That's the point. These questions were a shield that Wolfgang Halbig used to deflect criticisms that his behavior was repulsive when he gets told that he's hurting people he could just trot out this list of questions that no one will answer and then he gets to continue pretending he's the heroic figure in this. This is what people do. Why don't I know what her favorite flavor of ice cream is Dan

and then if you answer that you're like well why don't I know what her second favorite flavor of ice cream is this is this is why don't I know what her third favorite ice cream it doesn't matter. It's turtles all the way down. That's what it is. This is this is what you do you engage in this harassment campaign where you're doing things like emailing the school nurse

nonsense bullshit right and then people are like hey why are you doing this. No one will answer my questions. That's what you do. It's a deflective defense mechanism. You see it on the part of these more. I don't know. I don't know what the right word is my mind alternates between

like out there and dangerous conspiracy type that sort of behavior of like if you just answer the question I'll shut up. Now you won't answer the question which justifies everything I do. Right. It's sad. Yeah. Like it's like the stand your ground defense for conspiracy

theorists like it doesn't matter what you ask or what you do. It is always they're doing it on the defense. Yeah. I'm only doing this in response to the attack that you have brought upon me. Right. It's a good trick. Yeah.

So Wolfgang starts disseminating some talking points about how the school was a toxic waste dump basically which Alex would pick up later and definitely run with. Great. But yeah. And you know when you look at the school itself when you look at Sandy Hook it is a filthy school. That's what I wanted to talk to the board members about.

It is a toxic waste dump. When you look at the data and here's what they didn't realize they put it in their own newspaper before they demolished it. Sandy Hook had the highest level of lead pain throughout the entire school. Sandy Hook had the highest level of asbestos in the ceiling tiles and ceiling floors. It had the highest level of PCP in the groundwater is contaminated.

Now here's the question. Connecticut law requires that every parent must be notified of those hazardous chemicals because they have serious health effects on children which may not be seen five until five years later. Now why would any parent why would those 18 of the 20 parents that moved in the new town in 2009 and their child in the school with all those hazardous chemical their parents just don't do that.

That stuff is all bullshit but what Wolfgang is pushing toward here is that these parents would never enroll their kids to go to school like that. Thus they must not have. Thus there were no kids enrolled in Sandy Hook. In reality you can find copies of the school's inspection reports from 2011 a year prior to the shooting and learn that they were in compliance with the EPA's indoor air quality rules.

Further you can find that asbestos is listed as not a problem. The air quality is given a three on a scale of one to four. There's no evidence for any of the stuff that Alex is letting Wolfgang how big a cert here. This is just really sloppy horrible shit. Okay. I've got a I've got a solution. All right.

Let's not. We can't restrict the speech. What we should do you have to get a license if you want to go on public media. You got to get a license. How big you got to get a license. Maybe it takes five minutes just answer a few simple questions. Maybe just one did Sandy Hook happen.

The end you get your license to go on TV or radio or whatever to do my Alex impression that would have a chilling effect. Good if it has a chilling effect on people who disbelieve. I would say this should be chilled. Exactly. So Alex asks point blank to how big what do you believe happened and Alex knows what Wolfgang believes happen. Yeah.

So that's not a question. No. I would like you to tell my audience what happened. That is a setup. Exactly. For how big to say what he thinks happened. Now while he's asking this question that he knows the answer to. Right.

Right. He goes out of his way to salute and build up how great Wolfgang how big is which you wouldn't do if you weren't completely disagreed credibility. Yeah. Exactly. To whatever answer you know he's going to give. What do you think really happened at Sandy Hook.

People can see your 16 questions at Sandy Hook justice.com and we just salute your your will to go up there and have eight police cars blocking the United Way and have them shut you down at the school board at the commission. But but but bottom line what do you as a as a almost 40 year investigator police officer you name it. What do you think is happening here. Well until they answer those questions I can tell you children did

not die teachers did not die on December 14th 2012. Well that's I mean you wouldn't do that unless you wanted that point to be made by someone you're presenting as credible hero. You salute his will. That's that's as good as Alex saying it himself. Yeah. Absolutely. So they get back to talking about the United Way and how evil it is

sure and things get a little silly. It is and I hope nobody ever donates another dime to United Way until they answer every question. Well I mean there's already been so many scandals about United Way. I mean more than half the money goes to the executives. I just saw that one. I'll tell you a good charity is the Salvation Army. Are they involved in any way locally up there.

Are you ready Salvation Army is not even one of the thirty nine non-profits listed. You know they're not even an army because they're a good organization that she just mentioned. They're not involved. That's right. It's always the same players. It's the same players.

I don't want to go off on a jag here speculating about why someone like Alex might be in favor of the Salvation Army but I think it might be an easy puzzle if you want to put that together yourself. Instead I would prefer to read to you from an article published on December 19th 2012 just five days after the shooting quote the Salvation Army being part of the community has provided food and support to the people of Newtown Connecticut after twenty six people including twenty children lost their lives in a gun attack at Sandy Hook

Elementary School. This article is posted on the Salvation Army's website. They sent out mobile food units. They held services. They had a representative who appeared with President Obama at a vigil for the victims. They even honored the victims at that year's World Record bell ringing or after ringing those bells of theirs for eighty hours straight

they held a quote twenty seven minute long moment of silent ringing to recognize each of those lost that day. Anyway I have no idea what these assholes mean by not involved. So I'm just going to put my two cents in here and say the Salvation Army was very involved in the response to Sandy Hook. These guys are just talking shit. There's just no reality. No.

There's just no accepted reality. We just can't win. Nope. It doesn't matter. God damn it. Yeah. So the interview ends and Wolfgang is trying to sow some sort of conspiratorial nature to an event that happened and that is that one

police station phoned another police station and was like hey Wolfgang and his guys are coming around which I don't think is suspicious at all. I think if I were a cop I'd probably do that too. Yeah. But it ends with either that or fly out yourself. Right. One of those is cheap. Yeah.

So it also ends with Alex praising Wolfgang. The thing is too when we traveled from Danbury over to the Newtown Police Department to meet with the police chief Mike Kehoe. Danbury had already notified the police chief in Newtown that we were coming. I mean this is just unbelievable. They're all working together. It's a cover up no doubt.

Well they better watch it. Listen we're going to come back and play the report that we put together and it's got your comments of powerful information to the school board. Thank you for the work that you're doing. We'll continue to track everything you're up to and God bless you. Okay. Thank you Alex.

You bet. There goes Wolfgang Halbig ladies and gentlemen and we've got his website up on screen for radio listeners though. It's just really important for you to go and visit the site and we'll put that site again back up on screen. It's really important that you go visit that. So Alex goes to, he gets done with the interview with Halbig and he starts ruminating on the nature of Sandy Hook a little bit.

And I think you'll see some familiarity here in terms of Alex's tone. He's doing a bit of hedging while still at the same time being like shit's fake. I mean it's fake. Blue screens. It's fake. Again we don't know what's going on.

He goes further and says it's just completely fake. I don't know. You got parents laughing. Watch this. Method acting. I mean it's just ridiculous. You got coroners that start laughing and I don't mean uncomfortably.

I mean like laughing with the state police when they're giving press conferences. I mean it just is the fakest thing since the $3 bill. Fakest thing since the $3 bill. Real quick question. If he is by if he's saying well we don't know what happened then that means he believes there's a possibility that people did die. Right.

Right. So he is mocking somebody's tears potentially with the possibility that they are real. Right. Now don't you think if you thought there was a possibility that it was somebody who had died. The last thing you would do is make fun of the way they cry. Even if that was a one percent I probably would err on the side

of not doing even if it was a one percent chance that it was real. Yeah. You still wouldn't make fun of their their. Probably not. Right. So chances are the only way you would do that is if you were 100 percent sure that it was fake.

Yeah. Yeah. Or you're a psychopath. One of the two. Yeah. And one of the things like listening to this interview really crystallized for me is that like after he gets done talking with how big he sounds fairly similar to how he was in most of the time

that we're listening to him in 2013. Yeah. It's like this is all fake. It's fake. It's fake. Now who knows what happened. We don't know what happened. It's fake.

It's fake. It made me realize that there is not really a discernible difference between this behavior that I find incredibly important in terms of him helping and pushing Wolfgang's narratives and how Alex was almost the entire time. Yeah. In the same way that I realized how little it mattered the specific day he first uttered their actors.

Right. It doesn't matter if he's literally saying X. Yeah. If all of his behavior is pointing people intentionally towards X. Right. And I think that he's been doing that pretty consistently through his coverage. So yeah.

I suppose if the practical effects of what you're saying are identical to the practical effects of what you of what people are accusing you of saying it doesn't really matter. It's a it's a semantical difference. Yeah. Exactly. And so the last clip here from the 13th is Alex expressing that yeah of course the globalists would fake something like this.

Cheese. Which is just to be like yeah. Yeah they did. It's within the realm of possible. So you should believe this very credible guy I just had on. Remember this is a government caught secretly sterilizing hundreds of thousands of Americans. It's a government caught doing secret medical experiments on blacks

whites from the Appalachians to Georgia from northern California to Texas. These are globalists. They will do anything. Of course they would stage something like this to blame us to get our guns. Of course they would. That's not fair. That's just not fair.

Yes the government is fucking evil. I'm on your team. Now don't make it bullshit. Let's let's do something about the FBI tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. into killing himself. Yes the government is fucking evil but don't use it to deny Sandy Hook man. Right. Don't do that.

Fuck. It's it's a cheap trick. That's bullshit. Yeah. I'm so mad about that. Yeah. God damn it. So Wolfgang comes back on September 25th.

Alex has him back on in 2014. And the reason for this is that someone has uncovered that the FBI crime statistics list zero murders for the city of Newtown in 2012. And the reason for this it was the statistics were kept in the state. Oh no. Okay. It was the it was a jurisdictional issue. So it wasn't listed as murders in the city.

It was a state issue. So it's very easy to get to the bottom of this. But Alex I think is is swayed by this and then give us what happened in your new investigation and then let's talk about this new piece of evidence. Is it important or can we get a response from the FBI. Thank you Wolfgang for joining us. Well you know I did get a response. I called the New Haven FBI offices and their responses.

Well they've been asked by the Connecticut State Police and not to put those numbers on their data sheet. Now when is the state police ever told the FBI what to do. I mean I mean that's just unheard of. So this is important because they already have access to the information that explains this. And instead of being like oh that's why Alex has Wolfgang on to spin it. This isn't looking at the facts.

This isn't looking at the the the is this suspicious or is it not. It's saying this is suspicious. Here is the guy I'm going to have on as my expert someone who believes that this whole thing was fake. It's just it's not what you would do if you're hearing both sides. It's not what you would do if you had questions. Absolutely what you would do if you were desperately craving a way that you could justify being like this guy being like Wolfgang.

Yeah and I think that FBI statistic thing is probably as good as Alex could get. You know like here is the FBI they say zero therefore no one died right and which even though you just spent the last segment telling us all about how the government and the FBI would lie to us that no with no compunction they've lied about everything. That's a good point. But this time they're telling the truth.

Yeah it seems like people like Alex do that sort of thing. It's a little bit strange isn't it. The deep state always lies except when they help me out. The the interesting thing is like you hear Wolfgang be clearly aware of what the dynamic is here. Why that number was zero and he's like his response to it is come on. Yeah and Alex laughs and that's good enough. That's good enough.

Hey good come on. Get out of here with your you're a scamp. All right moving on. That's pretty funny. That's shit. Yeah. So just to address that it's a trope in every movie that the FBI and the state cops get into a fight.

Sure every time. Oh this is our jurisdiction. It's yours. Of course they the state police say that to the FBI all the time. Right. It's a whole thing. Right. So in order to have how big on in this new sort of way because I think

Alex is now on board or at least indicating that he's getting on board with the no one died thing. He now needs to justify that in the internal universe of info wars and one of the best ways to do that is to rely on a trusted source. Dr. Steve Pacinac ran David. He wrote the books with Tom Clancy. He's the Jack Ryan character. He's not been in combat situations at least 10 times and he said

they want it was staged. I mean these are heavy hitters saying this. Pacinac ran psychological warfare for the CIA basically in the Pentagon. He was above it from the State Department. Totally above it. So what you have here is Alex has Steve Pacinac who he at this point and now again apparently thinks is the most credible person in the world. Everything old is new.

And so hey man Wolfgang might be saying some wild out there stuff but Steve Pacinac who was above the military or or whatever. Tell me which 10 times he saw. Who cares. Fuck you. He said day one that no one died and so maybe we were late to pick up on this. Maybe we were exercising too much caution.

Sure. I knew it's stunk. I mean why would Anderson Cooper turn it be a green screen and his nose disappeared. Why would they have kids going in and coming out clearly staged. I just didn't early on I said well they had to have killed somebody and this doesn't make sense. Then parents come out and start laughing and then turn to the camera and

cry. I mean this stinks to high heaven. I just I all I hear is Alex using the exact same talking points. Yep. From ever but now with the conclusion that no one died. So great. All I hear is Alex losing all of his money. That's what I'm that's what I'm that's where my head is going now whenever

we're listening to this truly disastrous stuff. My head is just going to him broke. Penny listen the gutter. Yeah. So we get back to these 16 questions thing and you can clearly see how this the the allegation that these questions aren't answered is used as a cudgel. And for 15 months Alex the school board refuses to call me back.

They refuse to answer the questions. I've spent over $15,000 trying to get for your request answered. And guess what not one response. Yeah. Why don't they just release it to shut you up? I'll go away. I'll go away. If they just answer these questions.

Hey, just Google your answers. Right. I'm positive that a lot of the people probably would have answered his calls at the beginning. Yeah. And I bet because of his behavior. I'm not going to talk to this guy. Yeah.

I'm guessing I can't speak for the people who received his his calls or emails. But I would assume that a lot of them are like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know what's up here. No, not engaging. Yep. And he interprets that as like, Hey, they are too afraid to answer my questions because optics.

It's optics. This is what's important. You're putting on publicity shit. He's acting like a child. He's acting like a child the first time a child asks you a question. You're like, Oh, well, this is the answer to that question. Let me. I'll just take you through real slowly and then it's like, No, but what about

this? No, but what about this until you're like, you're a fucking child. Get out of here. Right. That's the conspiracy strategy. Yeah. So Alex is like he's continuing his consistent thread that is going far out of his way to present how big as the best.

Yes. Coming out with something. I bet this is cut into your business. It has. I've actually been black. You're the perfect witness. You got this great record national expert. You see it.

You have integrity. You tell the truth. And I bet it got your black ball to bed. Yeah. Didn't get your black ball with God though. Yeah. Didn't get your black ball with God because you're standing up and telling the truth.

You tell you, look man, anybody, anybody can come out and just say whatever they want. But this is a man with a great perfect reputation who's come out and he's risked his livelihood in order to give you all the truth. I should tell you that prior to becoming the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory world center Wolfgang how big was working on a movie about the founding fathers traveling into the present day and uncovering a grand conspiracy into the process of trying to write this movie.

He tweeted at Jimmy Fallon trying to get help with getting his project off the ground sterling credentials. That did get him black balled with God. It's really surprising that that was what did it. Yeah. So I mean I guess this sort of like trying to break into Hollywood aspect of his his career just sort of missing from Alex's equation. Little bit.

Yeah. Little bit. But otherwise perfect witness. Huge. He was a principal one time in Florida. Yeah. Sure. I mean that is one thing that is fair like he does from everything

I've been able to tell does have some history and now some of it might be a little more sorted. It's very difficult to get to the bottom of some of that stuff. But it does appear that he did work in schools and shit. But it's a relevant based on the behaviors that you know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to let that one.

Sure. Yeah. Before shadowing for Alex's present day. Okay. This is a clip. Listen if I'm wrong I hope they sue me and I get lose all my money. Actually in one clip but from an interview I didn't take clips from Wolfgang does say because he's a naturalized citizen he came from

Germany. He does say that if I'm wrong I will renounce my citizenship. Did he know because he still thinks he's right. Oh okay. Yeah. Shit. But that was a pretty bold thing. That is.

So Wolfgang's complaining about how the released information about the shooting but it was a gigantic amount of information. Right. Right. He has some complaints about that and I think this is fucking hilarious. Alex's response. And Steven Sudensky the Danbury State Attorney they created the

biggest data dump. It doesn't make any sense. You spend the rest of your life trying to read it to try to understand it. Chicken depositions is a dump so much on people they can't. Oh is that right Alex. Is that. God damn it Alex.

You remember how you sent over all of these emails of these any case deposition. Remember how that accidentally led to the investigators finding child porn in those emails. A one good deposition deserves another apparently. Look dude this is just an indication that he's keenly aware that this is a strategy that people employ. And he doesn't like it when they're doing it but he was happy to employ

it himself. Of course. Right. If he doesn't do it then they're going to do it and if they do it well that obviously he has to do it. So even if they don't do it they might do it so he's got to do it. See makes perfect sense. Yeah.

So Alex seems to be pretty much on the hook with with Wolfgang because of this this FBI statistic but he has one sticking point and he needs to get over that and I think he does it pretty pretty automatically. Okay. And I guess they just picked a group of state police and others that they knew they had under their control compromised. I don't know a pro you know pro gun controllers fellow travelers.

I mean that's the only sticking point is that they can get so many people to engage in a criminal operation but historically it happens. It happens. That was quick. Yeah. My only sticking point is how impossible it is to get this many people doing it. But it happens.

The end. My sticking point is how almost universally everyone who's around there is on the same page and me and my crazy friend Wolfgang are against that. Right. And that's tough because it's almost like everyone disagrees with me but that happens. Yeah.

That's true. That's not good. I could dwell on that or I could treat myself to ice cream. So this is the last clip that I have from the September 28th interview and it's Wolfgang saying that he wants Alex to be there in court with him. Yes I do too. Not.

You're looking at it the other way. He's talking about when he sticks it. Yeah. Hook folks and Alex my dear friend I want you to be in that room where we get the first deposition. I want you to look at the person that we're going to go after and you're going to be amazed and I think you can share that with all of you listeners.

I mean you're a great voice out there but you need to be a part of being in part of that room in the deposition. You'll be amazed. How long until you do this lawsuit? Well it depends on the funding. These attorneys want you know money's up front. I've already spent 15,000. I'm going to file it anyway.

I don't care what. I'm going to finish this. They shouldn't have come to my house and now I'm not going to stop. I'm just not going to stop. So they made a mistake pushing you. They should not come to my house. They shouldn't have threatened me right before Christmas.

You scared my family. I mean you've got to be kidding me. It just seems like even through his own telling of so much of this. This is personal and petty. He feels offended that the police came and was like hey man, you sent fucking emails to people like that school nurse. That's harassing people.

You need to stop or else something you know you might get charged with something. You might someone might press charges and that turns into a year's long quest that hurts tons and tons of people because yeah. I don't know why. How big picture it needs to be in an encyclopedia next to hoisted by my own petard.

Like that is you're going to love being in these depositions is like yeah. You're Alex does not love it right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. So I don't know. I think we end this 2013 now in 2014 investigation with a little bit of a you know it's a little it's mildly unsatisfying because I don't think that we can necessarily say I can't tell

you exactly what happened between May and September. I can't tell what so evolutions Alex had without spending another year yeah yeah. But I ultimately think that you know as I've already expressed the initial thing that I set out for is much less important. It turns out I believe then the the larger picture missing for the forest for the trees that sort of thing. Now I don't.

I don't accept anything. If that statement it's fake. It's fake. We could be wrong, but it's fake. It's fake. Look at all the things that are fake. I don't. I don't give a fuck about that.

We could be wrong. Functionally yeah you said it was fake. You might as well have just said I think Sandy Hook. Nobody died there right with a tiny little. I could be wrong and fuck you and it's not in our capability or our like sort of mandate really to assess things from a legal perspective. Yeah.

So it you know none of this is necessarily him committing active defamation. It's more the interest is more in terms of like when did he change when did the things twist yeah and I don't know now looking back on it. I'm not sure they ever really did all that much. Yeah now granted there was some immediate disgust towards people saying that grieving father was acting and faking

but that seems to have gone away fairly quickly and then even in 2013 you're speculating about Robbie Parker. Yeah. Like that didn't that like that's not that different. All of it is to say that I think that his editorial line has been pretty regularly consistent. Yeah. And it's not that important to me when he says yeah these

people didn't die. It is important on one on the one level but in terms of that being sort of behind a lot of the coverage even if he's not explicitly saying it yeah that that to me is as damning I see him trying to be like he is way past the line but I see him stretching a tiny little toe and trying to leave it on the line is like see no I'm not past the line your entire everything is past the line you can't just leave a little toe

on there and be like see yeah happen. Yeah. So we wrap up this 2013 investigation and say Alex you suck this is tragic. I don't I don't I don't believe the I believe that the most generous way you could look at this is that Alex is woefully unable to do his job. Yeah.

Like the best case scenario the most kind complementary thing I can say about what he does is that he has no business doing this. Yeah. Because if you allow someone like Wolfgang who you absolutely know believes that no one died there. If you allow him to come on your show and say things like it's suspicious that this animal shelter got money.

Yeah. You have a responsibility to either know about the topics that you're going to be covering or to say to him is there a possible reason. Ask a follow up question. Yeah. Instead of just be like oh yeah fuck the United Way. Right.

Further because you know that he has this position you have a responsibility to frame things a little bit more responsibly. For instance if you're going to ask him what do you think happened you can't in the middle of asking that question say this guy is amazing we salute him. Yeah. You can't do that because you know the answer you are giving those compliments to the answer you know is coming.

It I don't necessarily believe that that's an accident or something you would do randomly. No. But on the off chance that it is something that you would just do. Right. You're you can't you can't be trusted to be a commentator. Yeah.

No I mean this is one of those situations where the sometimes editorial statement is just booking like the moment the moment you booked how big you made your entire editorial statement clear and less in the same way that confrontational interview. Sure. Do that. Sure.

You know you're absolutely right. I'm just saying like with with where we are right now with all the Iraq war liars coming back on TV on to all of these shows it's like you've made your editorial position clear. You want us to get lied into another war. Sure. That's the interview starts like this. Excuse me.

We have from a former intelligence official. All right. Now you're a fucking liar who lied us into a war. You fucking lying piece of shit. Why shouldn't you be in jail. Right. I mean that's so that's a different conversation. That can be done.

Yeah. You know people. Absolutely. People like a jank at the young Turks having David Duke on it. Right. You know you don't have to be be our adversarial interview. Yeah. And it's okay.

So I don't think that Alex having Wolfgang how big on period is necessarily on its own and editorial. Correct. Correct. But having him on praising him saluting him building him up as this great expert who is not only a champion for free speech and and the victim of a conspiracy against him but also given up all of this material gain in order to pursue this

truth. Yeah. That's the editorial decision. The framing of how the interview is done alone speaks volumes. Yep. And I think you can also see a little bit of the difference between this sort of interview that Alex is giving here in May

and September 2014 with you can juxtapose that with Paul's interview with James Tracy. Yeah. In the months after the shooting whereas Paul didn't do a great job of pushing back. He still did push back a bit. That's true and did make explicit repeatedly that I don't agree with you.

And that wasn't necessarily an adversarial interview but it was at least pointed. He covered his own ass. It was at least it's somewhat critical and so that doesn't seem like nearly as big of an editorial choice as something like these. Yeah. It's very very good.

Yeah. Absolutely. I think one thing that I learned from the 2013 investigation since we were now basically on three different epochs of Alex. We got 13 15 in the present day. Those are the ones we've looked at the most. Yeah. And with 15 watching him leading up to an election is a way

different type of monster than in 13 and the present because he doesn't have that thing to just harp on. Now he can throw his fucking disastrous bullshit anywhere. Well he had he had you know as it went along in 2015 he had the specter of Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Coming around in order to to work with and they made a lot out of that.

They certainly did. Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to reflect on on this a little bit. I think that like I'm a little I don't know nonplussed about the you know the realization that the literal words coming out of are not the most important thing. Yeah.

And the fact that that was the road I embarked down a little bit sort of maybe feels like a door not fully closed. But at the same time I'm I'm super grateful to have been able to encounter the Boston bombing stuff because that like I don't know how anybody could listen to that and not think that Alex is one of the most manipulative liars. Yeah. Basing his shit on nothing.

And I honestly think that from my perspective his behavior in the aftermath and the immediate and ensuing aftermath of the Boston bombing it indicates and it has implications for his sandy hook cover. It really does. It's such a full picture of just taking whatever piece of information not vetting anything has been like fuck it we're building a narrative and the narrative evolving to no one died

at sandy hook is important but it is just an evolution of the narrative that was already there. Yeah. Which is something's fake. Right. This is all false flaggery. Yeah. I think the I think what we answered you know the 2013 it's just

the question was not worded correctly that we you know when did he say that sandy hook was fake. Yeah should have just been like when did he functionally say that sandy hook was fake because it was real quick. Yeah. You know in the in the post mortem here in the you know the sort of decompression you can one of the notes you can take away is maybe in the future if we ever do try and look at stuff like this maybe have a

better idea of what you want to find. Right. Well that and I think we learned so much about like you don't want to speculate on what's going on inside somebody's mind while they're saying something you know whether or not he's telling the truth or he believes it or he's lying you know you can't just speculate and say that is that but when you see the same techniques being used in the sandy hook aftermath and the Boston bombing aftermath.

Yeah. That gives you a clear idea of when the next thing hits we're not speculating on what you think we're going back to the context of the situation and this is what you're doing regardless of whether or not you believe it or not we know exactly what you're doing and that means something means something. Yeah. So anyway just need to take a break from the present day and we needed

to put a bow here and I think we've managed to do that and I guess we'll be back in the present day next time. Do we have to. Well we'll see. Can we get a time machine. Maybe. We've got to get Wolfgang how big screenplay. I would do that.

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