Knowledge Fight - #395: Ghosts Of Caucuses Past

Episode Date: February 5, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan have to deal with Alex Jones being out of studio in the present day, so they decided to take a look at what Alex was up to on the day of the Iowa caucus back in 2012.

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bullshit. I will see Dan. What quick question. What's up? Have you ever really fucked up at work? Like really like really fucked up at work. Yeah. I mean the ton ton tons of times. Yeah. But like really I've been a terrible employee in a lot. I've been fired a lot in my younger days. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the car wash. There's a there's a lot of work in the car wash that movie theater. You were fired as a manager and then rehired as a manager. No. I was fired as a projectionist. No. I'm not sure. I think I quit when I was a projectionist and then came back and became a manager. I was fired at the time when I was just like an usher. Right. Right. Box office. All the same movie. Yeah. That movie theater.

I was hired and fired and quit there a lot of times over the years. It was like a bad relationship for you. I will let you come on. Yeah. That was a I don't know. I did screw up there a bit. Nothing too terrible. And a lot of the times the screw ups are kind of manageable. Right. The thing that immediately popped into my head was that like if you so like in a popcorn popper you have this big cabinet thing that has the kettle that hangs down from the you know. Yeah. And that pops the popcorn into the display thing where people see the popcorn. Right. You know. Shove water. You do the whole shovel it out. Right. Yeah. Underneath it in the cabinet is a giant thing full of oil that it has a little feed pump

that goes up to the kettle. Press a button. You know. But of course you've got to refill that oil. But actually because it needs peanut oil in there or whatever. No. And one time I don't remember if I was responsible for this or somebody else was. But the bucket got kind of knocked over and there was just a small job in there. There's just oil all over the place. And so everyone's slipping around trying to like get candy drinks for people. That's pretty fun. But anyway there's a bucket. I know I've screwed up a lot at work and I know a lot about Alex Jones and I've screwed up plenty at work and I don't know anything about Alex Jones. So Jordan today we got a I guess maybe this is an instance of me screwing up at work

because we got another sort of what I'm going to call another mini so yeah because we set out for like there's so much going on in the world recovering this present day stuff. And so my plan we're recording this on Tuesday. Yes. And my plan was to cover Tuesday's episode like what today's episode as we're recording for Wednesday and we turn around. There was something that happened on Monday night. I don't know if you noticed that was the Iowa caucus. Yeah. There's you know there's a lot going on in the world and you'd figure Alex Jones has probably shit to say about even if the Iowa caucus went off without incident or any kind of trouble. Alex would have some sort of bullshit to spin about it. Absolutely.

And it's relevant. Yeah or not. And then you have the situation as it did unfold where there are a lot of questions spiraling around about the caucus and how no one's really sure who won even as we record right now. It's kind of the most apropos thing that could possibly happen in 2020 to the Democratic Party. It's literally like I was hearing that happen and I was like oh yeah that makes sense. Yeah. It was not a it was not a oh my god how could this happen. It was like yeah that's that's right. Yeah there was a sense of like last night watching the coverage of it just like it's just a hoo boy. Come on. Yep. Come on guys guys. So I figured that as it was watching it last night all of this stuff unfolding as

like Alex is going to have a field day with this. This is going to be outrageous. Yeah. But then I tuned into the episode today in order to prepare our episode and Mike Adams and Owen Schreuer were hosting. Alex was gone unreal totally. The abdication of responsibility on that one is staggering. Right. Just so it's clear like you know we're recording this on Tuesday and so it's last night was the Iowa caucuses in 2020. Yeah. And we're not going to talk too much about that and we will probably on a future episode. But the reality is that this is a podcast where we talk about Alex Jones's claims about things. Yeah. And if Alex Jones doesn't have any claims that we can address about that caucus it seems

like I don't. I don't want to just do. I don't want to be a news show where we get into everything that's going on. I need Alex to bounce off of yeah. And once he comes into studio and has some thoughts about things we can address them. But for now it might be disappointing, but there's no hot takes about the present day necessarily coming from me. Yeah. I mean you know the the obvious take is holy shit. Look at those dumb dumps. Whoa what. Don't. Don't. Hot take. Don't do that. Hot. Stop it. Take is scorching. Hey D. N. C. Knock it off. So yeah. I don't know. We'll get there when we get there. Right. So I thought like okay Super Bowl was Sunday. Alex probably can be mad about Shakira on Monday. Sure.

Paul Joseph Watson's hosting on Monday. Son of a bit. Granted he is mad about Shakira Jennifer Lopez can't help it. But I don't care. No certainly not. And so like I'm not covering Paul Joseph Watson doing his boutique culture concern. Hell no. Tape show. So Monday's out and we go to Sunday. And so I listen to a bit of Sunday and we'll talk a little bit about Sunday. But then I decided I'm just going to go far afield and find something to talk about. And so what that's why today is a little bit of a grab bag. Got a little bit of Sunday and February 2nd and then a little bit of something else. But before we get down to that we're going to take a little moment Jordan say thank you to some folks who have signed

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Hey, I'd like this show. I'd like to support the these Jans are doing. You can do that by going to our website, knowledge fight.com. Clicking the button to support the show. We would appreciate it. It'd be very lovely. So Jordan, we're going to start off on doing this a little bit from February 2nd this last Sunday. I tuned in and one of the things that's firstly of note is that Alex is recording not from studio. He's sitting at a desk somewhere, maybe a hotel room. Sure. And the sound is atrocious and he gets into the show and immediate. Those are just like, I have no time for this. I have no patients. I'm getting very sick of this stuff. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this live Sunday broadcast. I am on the road

and we just have incredible breaking news that just went live. That is a global exclusive in conjunction with naturalnews.com with Mike Adams. He's going to be co-hosting coming up the second hour of myself and Tom Papert, but he'll be the main host because I wanted to be able to really get to all this new evidence emerges. Coronavirus bio weapon might have been a Chinese vaccine experiment gone wrong. Jeans contain P shuttle S in sequences, proving laboratory origin. Now, why is this so important? Well, it came out a few days ago to zero head, reported on Indian newspapers on one of the most prestigious scientific medical research centers where they use computers similar to CRISPR to gene edit.

And that just came out and said, this is clearly had a bunch of other viruses welded in, including the original HIV. Now, the control corporate media come out and say, oh, well, let's just dispute the paper. They said zero hedge made it up basically. Okay. And then said that zero hedge and outed scientists and doctors by writing an article about who'd published a paper. It's like, you know, outing an NFL quarterback, you know, because you talk about them, they're a public figure. That's how they took because they can call anything harassment with big tech. So, you know, right away, there's a big expression. This, this paper is prestigious. It's prestigious. You know, I've always thought that there are two famous types of people. There's

NFL quarterbacks and there's research scientists. Yeah, absolutely. You think of, oh, one to one comparison. Yeah. So I tuned this in and I was like, I am fucking so sick and tired of us doing these episodes that have just too much about this coronavirus stuff. Yeah. It's all very desperate on Alex's part. You can just see like how badly he wants this to be like a narrative that blossoms for him. And it's just not. I'm very tired of it. It's not happening. But in that clip, Alex does bring up two things that I think deserve attention. The first is that scientific paper that he mentioned and the second is zero hedge. So on January 31st, 2020, I'm Dan, this is 2020 researchers at the Indian Institute of Technology in New Delhi published a paper on a website called

bio RX IV titled quote uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019 novel coronavirus spike protein to HIV one GP 120 and GAG. One thing that's important to point out which Alex and Mike Adams seemed to not want to discuss is what this website bar bio RX IV actually is. It's a pre print server where researchers and scientists compose papers that have not been vetted in any way. The issue is that peer reviewing can be a long process where a reputable journal is unwilling to publish something without really going over it and making sure that what they're printing is up to their standards. That's where pre print servers can come in handy from bio RX IV's website quote because this process can be lengthy, authors use the bio RX IV service to make their manuscripts

available as pre prints before completing peer review and consequent certification by a journal. This allows other scientists to see discuss and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on bio RX IV have not been finalized by authors may contain errors and report information that has not been accepted or endorsed in any way by scientific or medical community. This paper that Alex is citing as prestigious was in no way verified and even according to its source should not be taken as a finalized version of anything. Also if you try to find this paper now you find this message quote this paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research

community on their technical approach and their interpretation of results. They retracted their paper on Sunday the same day that Alex is on air talking about it being a smoking gun that proves that this virus is a bio weapon. So to sum it up Alex's primary source here is a paper that was retracted by its own authors after being published on a non peer reviewed pre print server to put it simply. This is not strong enough to support any of the claims that he's trying to make. They should not allow a non scientists anywhere near that shit like you journalists shouldn't be allowed to go near it. Alex should be nowhere. Alex shouldn't even know it existed and if he does look at it there should be like an men I'm black like neuralizer that wipes his memory.

I don't disagree that it is the sort of thing that could easily and you can see the exact instance of it could easily lead to trouble but what you're suggesting would be just as bad. They say it's a huge cover. I know of course that's not the that's not the point. The point is they can't have they when they have this information they're just they're just awful with it. Right. Just evil with the information. They ignore the caveat and the asterisk of like this is not in any way substantiated. This is something that these researchers are putting up for discussion within the medical and scientific research and community. Yeah. It's just you can't run with it like Alex is trying to run with it. Yeah. The whole point of the whole point of the server

is we're putting up stuff for other scientists to look at because we're fairly certain that there's going to be something that we can make better or not or all of that stuff. It's never particularly the danger of this game too is that because there was a lot of backlash from the scientific and medical community about the way they were framing things right the results that they were claiming to have received and they voluntarily withdrew their own paper because of this critique and comments that they got from the community. Now Alex can claim that they took it down because it's a cover up. Yeah. It's it is all just a disgraceful shell game instead of the scientific community doing its job and self policing to a very high quality standard seams

instead. It's a conspiracy to cover up bingo really made paper cool as for the situation with zero hedge. It has nothing to do with this paper from India. Alex is trying to conflate the two because the Buzzfeed article about zero hedge getting kicked off Twitter which is whatever one Alex is mad about sure that article mentioned that zero hedge had worked with an Indian conspiracy theory website called great game India to push narratives about the Corona virus being stolen from that Canadian lab in Winnipeg. Sure. That's the only connection to India but it's enough for Alex to pretend that these are related stories. So what happened is that zero hedge published an article accusing a virologist in Wuhan of creating the virus and they posted his name,

email address and phone number and the article also says quote. If anyone wants to find out what really caused the Corona virus pandemic that's infected thousands of people in China and around the globe they should probably pay him a visit. No. No. No. You say if anybody wants to find out that information stop. Check out that guy. Don't do it. No. Don't look at her this. No. No. Don't bother him. That's just completely unacceptable behavior. Zero hedge has no evidence of this guy created the Corona virus and yet they're making that accusation and suggesting people should go pay him a visit. You just can't do stuff like that. And if I were Twitter, I would have kicked them off the platform for that too. Granted, I probably would have done it

a long time ago, but let's not split hair. Come on. It's just like an NFL quarterback. They're public figures. These researchers literally no one has ever heard of before posting a paper that. Oh my God. Public figures, Dan. So I got into that and I'm like, I'm not doing another episode of Alex and Mike trying to sell food buckets and weird silver with fears about this virus, especially with Alex's glitchy audio. Yeah, I just can't do it. I was I was not in for it. I primed myself for some sort of a political thing and it's like I'm not in the mood. I feel like the audience is probably getting sick and tired of Alex's lies about the virus. I sure as fuck am. So I was like, what can I do? What can we do? It's like, well, there's the Iowa

Caucus. Right? I was thinking to myself, Alex, one of Alex's finest moments involves the Iowa Caucus. Okay, because back in 2012, right? Ron Paul was running right and he did pretty well in the Iowa Caucus. Yeah. So I decided what third? You know, well, I mean, he got he came in third in votes. Yeah, but he ended up getting twenty two out of the twenty eight delegates. Oh, that's right because Iowa should be removed from democracy. I'm not. I'm not. Yeah, he had twenty two out of the twenty eight delegates. I'm not. I'm not sure if I agree with you that Iowa should be removed from democracy, but the the the the caucus system involves a lot of places where manipulation can be done. I think it might be an undemocratic way of going about Rick Santorum

won the Iowa caucuses in 2012 with his huge popularity nationwide, dad. He won the votes of the people who showed up at the Iowa caucuses and got zero. Oh, oh boy. Oh boy. So well, I was like that. That's probably going to be something kind of interesting. So I went back to the day of the Iowa caucus, which is January 3rd 2012. And what do you find? Well, you find Alex being very insistent that Ron Paul is going to win, but is also going to be screwed over. Sure. And an interview with Wayne Paul. Oh, Ron Paul's brother. So today we're going to be listening to all three senators past the Fed way. That's right. Wayne Paul. So we got a little bit of Alex's episode and then an interview with Wayne Paul. I don't know. I'm going to be perfectly honest with you.

This episode might be completely pointless. Okay, but hey, it's Iowa caucus time. Let's go ahead and listen to Alex's Iowa caucus in 2012 when he had a feeling that Ron Paul probably had a chance at winning the nomination. Absolutely should be president. He was going to kick Obama's ass. Everybody was going to choose Ron Paul over Obama. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. So here we go. We start off with Alex extolling the virtues and you know what? If you, if you don't like Ron Paul, Alex has some words for you. Okay. Now if you don't like Ron Paul, then you don't like what America is. The people demonizing Ron Paul and myself are lecherous, un-American vipers who want the destruction of our republic and who are shined onto the New World Order. Period. It's putting it pretty strongly.

All right. If you like America, you're better like Ron Paul. Right. So let's see at the time. Anybody who doesn't like us, the vipers. Nationally, Ron Paul was polling between what eight and twelve percent at the time. So I would say roughly ninety percent of the United States was one hundred percent globalist snake vipers. Agreed. So I didn't, I don't have a ton of like the rest of this episode because it's like who gives a shit. Yeah. But Alex does take some calls and he gets a call from a guy who has nothing, has nothing to do with the Iowa caucus, but I found this to be very interesting. Let's talk to Rick and Florida. Rick, thank you. Welcome. Alex. Yes, sir. Are you there? Yes. Okay. Five year listener. I'm calling because I need your help. I'm in the process of declaring

myself a free man on the land. All right. And I want to opt out of the social security system because it's that number. If you accept that number to your name, that's what ties you legally to the rest of their debt. Yes. Yes. That's all true. But the system is so criminal now. They say they don't even follow their own rules just like they've gotten rid of due process and say they'll secretly arrest you and blow your head off. They are lawless criminals. So just know that just because you say I'm a sovereign, you pull out of it. Unless you're an illegal alien, they won't leave you alone. Uh-oh. Eagles aren't above the law because they're here to drive down wages. Sure. Part of the new world order. Sure. See, you thought this was going to be a thing where

Alex reveals you believe sovereign citizenship. Nope. Turns out also swerves at the end to racist. I think it's I think it's funny that he's gone. He's he's against sovereign citizens doing their bullshit from the other side. Like he's gone too far. He's like evil. Yeah. Absolutely everything sovereign citizens believe is totally true, but it doesn't matter because they're going to find you anyway. There's a practical aspect to it that he takes issue with as opposed to the the magical thinking of course. If I just denounce my social security number, I'm a free man on the land. Obviously. And that's if they followed the law. Of course you could great. You could just be a man on the land. Yep. So Alex is a pretty sovereign citizen. Of course that's true,

sir. Yeah. That's a weird response to that kind of call. But cool. So you get around to the Wayne Paul interview and here's Alex giving him a little bit of an intro, which like you can really tell that there seems to be a talking point that Alex really seems to be pushing back on. I think you'll be able to tell what it is from this clip. Well, we've got another great patriot and another fellow Jackson Wayne Paul joining us for the rest of the hour. He's of course one of Ron Paul's brothers and for many decades, he's been exposing the fellow reserve battling the IRS in court. He's a CPA. He is just a chip off the same block that Ron Paul came from off the same tree. And I wanted to get him on today to talk a little bit about his brother and who his

brother really is. I mean, I happen to know the inside baseball on Ron Paul who would basically volunteer for free to work at charity hospitals because he believes in the free market and in the free market, you're supposed to have people that dedicate their own time willingly to help those that are in need. That's what the Bible teaches. I have to know that Ron Paul routinely would pay the bills of his poor patients. That's now coming out, not from his campaign, but from others. And that Ron Paul would volunteer in the minority black areas mainly and give them free healthcare. But Ron Paul is a person who, well, a hero. He won't talk about himself. He won't allow it because it's painful for people like him to hear it because he knows he's doing his duty.

There's a little bit of a concern about Ron Paul's. Ron Paul's a racist. There's some stuff in his past. Okay, that was coming up. You know when you run for presidency, people vet you people. Let's say oppo research people dig into your newsletters or find a bunch of really racist right find associations with you know Nazis and white supremacists in the past and you find a what's up with this. David Duke really loves you. What's going on here? Find those sorts of things. So Alex, I feel like one of the things that he really wants to drive home is like Ron Paul. When he was a doctor, love to give free health care. I know I know David Duke loves him, but that's while he was giving free health care

to black people. It seems like something he see Alex makes a particular note of it comes up multiple times in this this interview odd. Yeah, I think oppo researchers are used to like digging for stuff and with Ron Paul they were they put their shovel down, put the foot on there and went clink. Oh shit. We didn't even have to go deep. Not too deep. Nope. So I'm not positive what Alex is talking about when he says that Wayne Paul thought the IRS in court, but he's a CPA. Yes, I think he actually is. I've seen that on some. I don't really care well of his credits. That's the one I believe I don't particularly care, but I did find a little gem about a lawsuit and the IRS. I don't know if it was a lawsuit, but it was in court that

involved Wayne Paul. Okay. So in 2009, Wayne Paul was called as a defense witness in the trial of a man named Robert Carray, who was accused of skirting tax laws. Oh, it seems that the situation was that he was paying his employees with gold and silver, but and people who he had like contracts with stuff. Of course he was only reporting their pay as the face value of the coins. For instance, he might pay someone with a gold dollar coin that was valued at two hundred dollars, but he was claiming it as one dollar to skirt tax law. So that might sound like a small thing and it probably would be if you're just doing it with one coin, but this dude was super rich. Apparently he was doing it a lot when he was ultimately

found guilty. He was facing a possible fine of like fourteen million dollars, which would give you some kind of scope of what kind of money he was hiding from the IRS with this scheme. I'm gonna go with quite a bit. Yeah. So Carray would ultimately end up being sentenced to a hundred ninety months in prison. Love it. And he also had to pay millions in restitution for this. The first time I've heard the criminal justice system working right. Well, I think it did take a while though. Like it was a drawn out process. One of his advisors, Alexander Loglia was also sentenced to twenty six months in prison because this involved a bit of a conspiracy to. Well, that'll happen. Yeah, that'll happen. So you bring in Wayne Paul as your defense witness. That makes

sense. Interestingly. Loglia was also his guy who is part of Bill Cooper's, uh, Kaji organization, of course, the citizens agency for joint intelligence. Why wouldn't he? And he appeared on Bill Cooper show multiple times. What are these people anyway? Wade Paul is a defense witness in that case, which did not go well for the dude that he was supporting. As for Ron Paul, you know, like we said, volunteering as a doctor, that's great, but I don't know how much I believe that he was super concerned with minorities getting appropriate health care, given the shit that he's published. I'm going to go with zero. The stuff that was published in his newsletter was written in the first person. It had eye. It was a personal opinion. I mean, a lot of politicians

have people ghost write their books. Sure. That's no big deal. Fine. Sure. He dictated it. So Wayne Paul comes in and they have some concerns about the transparency issues at a caucus, you know, like I think it's a legitimate concern. And I don't know why Wayne Paul has a solution to this. Okay. So Wayne, what is first on your radar screen here today, my friend? Well, I think the biggest thing is how do we know we're going to have an honest tabulation? And there's those throughout the country have been thinking about this for a long time. And there's three or four guys on the East Coast that have set up a website called transparentvote.net. And they put out a letter to all the candidates in Iowa saying, if you've got people in a precinct when the precinct

count is finished and sign off on before they whisk it away, ask them to put it up and you take a camera picture of it with your iPhone and then upload it to transparentvote.net. This guy sounds old. Transparentvote.net. So the shaky voice of a old old. You take a camera photo. This doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world, although I think that the photos that people are sending in should be vetted before they're accepted as being real. Like I think that the process could become pretty complicated. And I don't know if the people who are running that website have the infrastructure or ability to handle that sort of thing. It's sort of the same thing that I thought when I was listening to people call into shows last night, as we were

recording this last night during the Iowa coverage from this year, you know, people calling in with tallies from caucuses. Like I don't have any reason to distrust them necessarily, but I also have no idea of what they're saying is accurate. It's just a person on a phone and the same way this is just a picture. You could take that picture. There's all kinds of possibilities for you need verification of stuff. Sure. But anyway, I don't think the baseline idea behind this person with this website, not the worst idea in the world. Anyway, I don't think this website took off. The earliest snapshot of it in the way back machine is from early 2013. So it's after this. Okay. Did not stick around for very long. That's fair. And by that point in early 2013,

it had already become a landing page with spam in Japanese promoting a shop in Japan. Sure. Sure. Here's the text that you will find on transparent vote.net quote. There is a sex shop that you always visit when you come to Osaka. The sex shop does not offer any special services, especially notable and not even thrilling business. It's a very ordinary sex shop with the image of general sex shop, especially Osaka. This is special. There is no complaint to sing. However, I'm worried and I go every time I come to Osaka. It's such a mysterious shop. It's not that I'm messing around rather praise. I'm going to praise it like this. I think it is just that you want to visit. However, why is it so attractive? I don't know

well. And as I said, I go to Osaka again this weekend. Even so, I guess I would go to that sex shop. I guess that a simple and cute girl smiles and goes to the store that says, have you come? I'm glad. Okay, is this sex shop a synecdoche for the United States electoral system? Is that what's going on? Because I can see a little bit of it there. There's another page, not just the landing home page. There's another page titled quote men to which begins quote. This was also taught at the sex shop in Osaka, but men also squirt. Okay. All right. Interesting. Okay. The more I looked into the pages on this website, the more it became clear that this was largely about a sex shop in Osaka that may or may not focus on prostate orgasms.

There's a page titled quote. I like it exclamation point. That's a good one quote. Yes. Yes. The prostate is something only we have. It seems to be about five centimeters from the hole in the ass. I what's happening here? Are these are these reviews communicating with each other? It is said that if you stimulate it, you will get pleasure almost forever, almost forever. The bottom line is that I guess that this transparent voting initiative didn't take off the way Wayne Paul had hoped it might be. And because I wanted to try and sort out what this website was like I was hoping to find some sort of cash shop about it. I accidentally found a page praising a Japanese anus themed sex shop. Yeah. So thanks for that Wayne. I mean, sometimes you set up the website

that you think you want, but you find out you get the website you need. I think that's what Wayne Paul was really. That's what he needed, Dan. Yeah. So that's, I mean, that has nothing to do with anything relevant at all, but it's what you find if you look at the way back machine. I like it transparent. I like it. I think that's a good website. So one of the things that I found really interesting about listening to this interview with Wayne Paul on the day of the Iowa caucuses 2012 firstly is that Alex does seem to be subtly pushing back on the idea that Ron Paul is a racist, right? And then the second thing is how much this directly mirrors so much of his language about Trump. And imagine your brother really for 40 years, but prominently for three decades, traveling

the country, writing books in and out of Congress, battling for basic Americana liberty. I mean, really nothing special, just basic common sense constitution. And now here he is right as everything he warned of and you and I and many others and Jabra Griffin warned of right as it's all happening just as we have said, there is Ron Paul. I mean, that's God giving us a chance. You know, God, if you study the Bible, Wayne, as you know, always gives people a way out a chance and I'm I'm saying this is our chance. This is so similar to how he like really tried to characterize the 2016 election. Yeah. The God giving us a reprieve like Nineveh. Sure. Constantly talking about that. Absolutely. Like this. This it's startling to me almost to look back and see what in these

contexts could seem as a little bit more rational because I mean for all Ron Paul's faults at least he's a politician who's been elected to office multiple times and who seems to believe what he says. Sure. Yeah, as good or bad as those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly seems to at least have like not just fucking around right. So you see the same sort of framing and the same it just it was very jarring to me. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if anyone else would have a similar response, but seeing that language be so vigorously applied to the Trump situation and then looking back and seeing it's exactly the same way he tried to frame the 2012 election. It really just makes everything seem way cheaper. Like it makes the 2012 stuff seem cheaper and it

makes the 2016 thing just seem like oh this is just what he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean but he didn't do that obviously for Romney or the Bushes. So probably 12 was like it seems to me like 2016 was something that is ruining 2012 because he just doesn't have any other way of well because he had a candidate that made it out of the primary exactly and one that he liked. Yeah, a positive one. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're fucked. Yeah, it's weird. There's also the same thing with Trump. I mean, I guess like you could get that even from that last clip where, you know, like we were getting this chance. God gives us a chance. There's an immediacy to it. Like it needs to be now. We live in the most exciting times of our life

because we've never had an opportunity like this in my lifetime and 70 years old. Yeah, we hear it. I think it's exciting. I think it's definitive and I think it is going to be something that's going to surprise everybody because the time is now. Okay. No, do not do this. I don't know why that happened. I don't know. I have no idea why that. I don't know what happened. Whenever Wayne Paul says the time is now, John Cena's theme song that starts playing. I didn't do that. I didn't edit you had to know it's just something that happens. Absolutely. Of course I edit that. Okay, but it's important. Whenever anybody says the

time is now you need. You got to have. You got to know that the champ is here. Okay, son of a bitch. That's how much that's how little you could find today. You're like I'm tossing this one in here. If we were doing an actual episode, you would have freaked the fuck out when you it feels. I mean like it's a representation of how little I respect. I have for Wayne Paul probably we are living in exciting times because Wayne Paul can get fake teeth that fit. Well, I mean, there again, you have, you know, we're living in the most exciting times. It's still there's just so much mirroring of what would end up being exactly the way that Alex talks about Trump. So an interesting thing is here like you've got Alex Jones who does a

dumb show. Sure. And you have him supporting a candidate who has a fair shot of coming in the top end of the field in the first caucus of the primary yeah. Yeah. So it's so bizarre that first of all he chooses to have as a guest that candidates brother. No, there's no conflict of interest there. It first of all there is and second of all play seen as music again. Second of all it just seems like I don't know what you what you hope to get out of this other than maybe pathos. You know like I know I can't imagine if you have a shit like I wouldn't it'll be bizarre to me for like I don't know mad out to have Hillary Clinton's brother on or something like that and think it's like hard hitting yeah. The Iowa caucus 2016 sure. It just seems like

I don't I don't get it. I don't get I get the choice right, but it's not a serious choice. No it's a weird choice. Well, I mean there's a reason that I don't remember Wayne Paul making all the interview rounds on national TV. I don't think Ron Paul was like he went on Wayne. We're going to need you. We're going to need you on Fox News. You're my surrogate for this interview. We got to get Wayne out front. It seems really weird and because Wayne Paul doesn't really have much by way of being a surrogate having much relevancy to Ron Paul's campaign. No it ends up drifting a bit into Alex trying to talk about their childhood. Sure it's weird. There's a puff piece now. It's like what's it like? What was it like growing up with Ron Paul? You know

you guys have a large family growing up how would you you know characterize him in the family and then you know throughout his life what type of person is Ron Paul and what do you make of all of these you know taking out of tens of thousands of newsletters taking you know 10 lines or something and conflating them with other things and then attacking your brother. So there's two things that are going on here. One again you see this interest in pushing back against the racist narrative because that's what he's talking about with the newsletters and then secondarily I think the strategy is I don't even know if it's a conscious strategy. I think it's just how someone like Alex operates. This is about endearing Ron Paul further by way of story like because

Ron they're not going to get into the nitty gritty of policy or anything like that. So what you're going to end up doing is making stories surrounding his candidacy. Sure that is the most important element to appealing to this this this right wing base. Yeah you need an emotional narrative. Yeah you need that appeal and that's going to do a lot of work for you. The problem is everybody who's listening to Alex the show already loves Ron Paul so I don't know who you're hoping to swing by by way of like what was it like growing up with Ron Paul. Give us a character that we can all relate to and attach ourselves to. You're all you're selling a sold car. Yeah that's what you're doing. It just seems very weird. Now about those newsletters the racist

shit and Ron Paul's newsletters were absolutely not taken out of context and it's not just a couple lines 10 or 12 lines and you're conflating them with false information. What kind of idiot would take only a few lines out of context and then conflate them with completely different things. That would be an insane thing to do. There's a great piece about this in the New Republic by James Kerchick that gets into some of the more fragrant flagrant examples of Ron Paul being a gigantic racist piece of shit. For instance there was a 1992 article in his newsletter about the Watts riots that said quote order was only restored in LA when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks. Okay. The piece also applauded the

Korean store owners who were quote the only people to act like real Americans mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our rotten liberal culture which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back and think of England. Now that one is going to be tough to explain away. Yeah I think that one is pretty comprehensive in being racist or there was the 1989 article that predicted racial violence will fill our cities because quote mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified and stealing from the mostly white haves. Oh car all right. Or there was the June 1991 article about racial tension in a DC neighborhood titled quote animals take over the DC zoo. Okay no no no no there's a singular fixation in his

newsletters about the coming race war and a trend of calling nonwhites animals. In an article from 1992 the newsletter says quote I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense for the animals are coming. There was one from 1996 that opined that quote opinion polls consistently show that only 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions. The newsletters called the end of apartheid in South Africa a quote destruction of civilization and quote the most tragic event to ever occur on that continent at least below the Sahara. Why is it that so many of these right wing figures seem to take the exact same view of the world that Charles Manson why is it there's so much overlap between what Charles Manson preached. I don't know or who

could forget about all the positive coverage that the newsletters gave to David Duke back in 1991 saying quote Duke lost the election but he scared the blazes out of the establishment. All this makes sense. I mean after all Duke did endure endorse Ron Paul for president and has did pretty much all of the white supremacist community in the country that has any interest in electoral politics. Well for sure this is unless they're trying to become men of the land then they they don't care about electoral politics. This is a very serious and very consistent type of shit that goes on and this isn't even getting into the gay bashing and completely nonsensical revisionist history and anti communist conspiracy shit in those

newsletters. Ron Paul is not a folksy weirdo who hates banks and war and loves weed. He's either a violently racist person who had no problem expressing those views in his newsletter or he's someone so fucking incompetent that he allowed someone else to write violently racist articles in his newsletter in the first person and somehow he didn't notice until he was asked about it when he ran for president. Such bullshit like this this is sad and like yeah go ahead ask Wayne Paul about it yeah go ask his brother and he doesn't even what was it like growing up with Ron Paul. Well I mean you know he was very racist to even other children at the age of four. Wayne doesn't even like respond to the newsletter stuff. He just sort of waxes nostalgic about a

bygone time and so Alex tries to we used to call him. Nope. Nope. Stop. Stop. Stop. Alex tries to refocus him on like how would you describe Ron. How would you describe Ron Paul. I mean at his core what drives your brother. Well even when Ron was in high school before he had a driver his license he worked in a drugstore making photos and Sundays and then at nine or ten o'clock tonight or Friday at thirty ninety get on his bicycle and take him it's about a mile from the house and he would buy a circle home. Keep in mind Ron Paul was born in 1935. He's currently 84 years old. He was a child during World War two. This quaint picture that Wayne is painting sounds like a like it kind of foreign to modern years maybe but it's super common among people

who are born in the 30s. Oh yeah. And why would they how would they even get jobs. You know how hard the job market is now. I assume it's exactly the same whenever most of the male population is going and fighting a war overseas. He talks. There were no job openings. He talks about like paying his own way through college and it's like yeah college cost like six hundred dollars a year back then. Yeah. Yeah. My aunt and I used to get into conversations about that. She was like I used I paid for my college all four years and when I walked out I didn't have any debt and it's like how much did you pay for college. Two thousand dollars a semester. Do you know how much. Yeah. So they like it's not really addressed so much. You know Alex keeps bringing up the like things

that are sort of geared towards the like everyone saying Ron's a racist. Right. But it's not really addressed all that much. It's just like pushed back on without really without really dealing with what the complaints are. And you just see this kind of consistently. You know they're false claims of racism and things like that. I mean because from people I know that you know your brother well and of course what's coming out in the media. I mean he would volunteer quite a bit always at the charity hospitals to help people. Well not only that but he never took Medicare. If you come in to his office he took care of if they didn't have the money they made an agreement how they were going to get paid. And he took care of him but he never took Medicare

any time while he was being a doctor. That's right. Never took it and in many cases would just give people free health care is what ended up happening. I mean so so so this is and particularly for my quote minorities. What. I mean most doctors would just turn you away right there. There's your brother a hardworking living by example of his parents all the things he's done truly understands the issues and that's why the system is so scared of him because they know he can't be bought and there's no skeletons in his closet. Same thing that Alex says about Trump like he has he can't be bought. Nope. There's no skeletons in his closet despite the massive amounts of skeletons in both of their closets. Well they're very large skeletons. They're

specifically specifically closets built for skeletons. Yeah. Yeah. They hang them up very nicely. Yeah. To display full of skeletons and also there's a big difference between what Alex is presenting like he gave people free health care and what Wayne is describing which is like he worked under the table. Yeah. He parted with work at a deal where you could pay me so I don't have to go through the administrative bullshit of Medicare or whatever. So I don't want someone on staff to file these claims. So how about you give me a gold coin worth two hundred dollars and we'll call it one dollar. That's yeah. That's different. Yeah. Whatever Wayne is describing is like quaint and I don't know the legality of I don't know the details of if you can or can't do that or you

should or shouldn't. What are the ramifications of it. But that's not giving people free health care. Yeah. Whatever is going on is fucked up. Yeah. It's weird. Also you see the quote to minorities. Yeah. Alex is pushing back on this thing by by using this as a way of being like he can't be racist. He gave health care to my quote minority. Yeah. The idea that other places would turn away black patients. But Ron Paul hero of the minority community is the only one who will take that. I think you give me a fucking break in fairness. I think what he was talking about more specifically was people who couldn't pay right. You know it and and Alex was saying it was largely in quote to minority exact areas. But the turning away people at hospitals is more about the not

paying than the fact that they're black. Although he Alex is combining those two to make Ron Paul appear more virtuous. Exactly. So while at the same time demonizing black people for always being poor. Well I mean it's he's read the newsletters. Alex is a well read man. Fair enough. Fair enough. So Ron Paul is going into the Iowa caucus and Wayne has some concerns and that is too good a candidate. Certainly. I mean that is a concern. There's dirty tricks perhaps going on behind the scenes. It does show the awakening is huge that despite the the lying decepticon media telling everybody that Ron Paul can't win. He now is the front runner and they are in full panic mode. What are some of the dirty tricks you're expecting them to pull Wayne. Well I'm concerned.

Not about the caucus meeting tonight in Iowa because I believe the people in the in the individual precinct and caucus meeting are the grassroots serious minded individuals. And that that means it doesn't matter who they support any one of the candidates. They're normally very dedicated hardworking people. All right. Moving along. Let's go. To speak quicker for the person they believe that is right. I believe those precinct numbers will be honest and dear in every way shape or form. My concern would be what happened when they go to a secret place and telly the vote. That is not transparency. So it's it's it's fun. This concern because I mean you know transparency is an issue with

these sorts of issues. These sorts of primaries and caucuses. But it's interesting that he's talking about this this this dirty tricks that are going to be going on at the Iowa caucus because there were dirty tricks. But they were done by Ron Paul. You bet. So there's something really interesting about the what happened with the Iowa caucus in 2012 and that was their Mitt Romney was everybody kind of thought odds on favorite if somebody was going to take the Republican nation. Sure. Sure. Sure. Though there were people in the race like Gingrich had a little bit of juice going Santorum was an appealing candidate. He's he's made of juice. If you know and Ron Paul had that outsider fringe thing that

had that libertarian vibe right there. There were even other candidates. You know there was a lot of there's a lot of things going on. But Mitt Romney was seen as up by most as being like the odds on guy. Yeah. Mitt Romney was 2012 Hillary. He announced prior to the caucuses even as far back as late 2011 that Mitt Romney announced that he wasn't going to participate in the Iowa straw poll and he seemed like he was taking a pretty low intensity approach to the Iowa caucuses as a whole which allowed people like Ron Paul a big opening. Yeah. To really hit the ground hard try and get people out to the caucuses. So despite a fairly meek attempt at wooing Iowa Romney was initially declared the winner of the Iowa caucuses. They the report of the vote count

was said that he beat Rick Santorum by eight votes which is kind of irrelevant because total supporters don't necessarily translate to the number of delegates and caucus caucuses stupid. They're very weird. They're very stupid. I don't know if they're stupid but they're weird after the tallies were certified. It turned out that Rick Santorum had actually beat Romney by thirty four votes but all of it was kind of moot because Ron Paul won almost all of the state's delegates even though he was thirty eight hundred votes behind either Romney or Santorum and he won how many of their delegates twenty two out of twenty eight. Okay and so that is his not stupid for what reason his campaign was able to achieve this by manipulating the rules

of how delegates work in caucuses. Okay delegates are elected but they're not bound to vote for the person who wins the state in this case Santorum because of this little quirk Paul's campaign worked to get his supporters in positions where they would be elected as delegates that can be then free to vote for whoever they want. It's insane in this case Ron Paul due to this political maneuvering Ron Paul was kind of sleazily able to win twenty two out of twenty eight elections up for grabs even though he came in third so he just snuck people in there. I don't know like I don't know exactly how much like subterfuge went on. I'm not entirely sure like how much of it was actual like nefarious stuff right. Yeah I mean based on the turn like

that's not okay. Yeah it is not okay for the guy in third to get sort of what eighty percent or seventy percent. Yeah I mean and I also think like as I look at that I think that's not really cheating but it's a little bit of back room not transparent kind of shady. There's a there's a certain part of me that finds that a little bit charming. I'm not going to lie. I mean yeah I don't I have I have mixed feelings about it because on the one hand it does mean that whoever was doing that was definitely super motivated for sure. They were very into the process. They knew the rules. Yeah too well but on the other hand it is subverting the will of the people a little bit. I mean there is that so I don't know. Anyway Wayne should be less concerned about the strategy

that appears Ron was using every time these guys say you better watch out for voter fraud on the other side it's because we're about to do some voter fraud on our and I don't know how much Wayne is even aware of that because quite frankly I don't know how much yeah I don't know how much he's aware of period. Yeah so we get back in this next clip to just like echoes of Trump and the way Alex sold Trump like if you take the name Ron Paul out of here I think probably sounds very similar to how Alex would talk about Trump. Once people convert to liberty and put together all the pieces of it and understand how things work there's no going back. Right. I mean that's the issue. Ron Paul's not filling people through with his ideology he's getting people to rediscover history

rediscover common sense rediscover what made America great versus the horrible stuff we're being sold by the establishment. It's the establishment that's got something to hide. It's the establishment that's just credited in kooky not Ron Paul and every month we exponentially grow and that's why the system scared. Yep. Alex says everything is exponential exponentially learn that word in high school. So I mean you even said make America great. You know I but that that to me is fucked up because that can't be I mean that's a coincidence. It's not his idea. No they didn't get it from him. No but the fact that that ends up being Trump's rallying slogan and it's how he's talking about Ron Paul in 2012 is just it's just weird. There's

so much. See I think it makes perfect sense based on what we're experiencing right now with Alex. It's this is the same problem that he's having on the Trump train. He only has one way to sell a candidate right. He's got a million ways to try and tear down a candidate but he's only got one way to sell one and it's this and it's this. So when Trump comes along it doesn't matter if it's true or not right selling Trump so he sells him like he sells him as if it's Ron Paul exactly. He's only got one way. It is. It is interesting and I mean I think that one of the shortcomings of this podcast so far and like in terms of what we've listened to is that there hasn't been a ton of our coverage of how he promoted Ron Paul during those years. Yeah and it does

make me wonder if just this little glimpse of him talking to Wayne. It makes me wonder how much like we could go back to the Ron Paul time and hear almost direct parallels of how Alex promoted Trump. Yeah I would be surprised if there was like way heavier overlap than you would assume. Well I would be interested now in just like going through each of the candidates since like 2000 and finding which one. Well yeah that's fair. I was just saying if he picked different ones at that time and sold them the same way but then it's always been Ron Paul of course in 2016 it would have been Ron Paul but in instead it was ran don't know Ron Paul run in 2004. He might I don't know. I don't remember. I don't know. I don't know. I think I think it's a surprise

that his big runs came against a black president. Weird. It's almost like certain people were more in. He's read the newsletters. So there's another sort of parallel here and that you'll hear that in this next clip. They've been able to control and stick him in a hole somewhere and not have to deal with him but those times are changing now so each day as it changes I am in greater fear of his life for he and his family. No no you're right but he's committed to it as a champion but no let's elaborate on this after the break. This is the next point I wanted to raise. We're right on the same page together. So you have that same also that parallel of like Alex is pitching the crisis with Trump is like he's too popular. They're going to kill it. They're

going to kill him. You know they're going to kill. We guys think he can't be controlled and he knows they're going to kill him anyways but he's still doing it because he just believes so hard. He's willing to die for this guy. Alex says that about 12 all the fuck it's I mean it's almost shocking really to look at this would be like wow. Oh there is I guess that's what he does that. Yeah it's almost copy and paste. Yeah it really is formulaic. It's very strange. So again Wayne Paul is not like a guy who's relevant brilliant accountant Wayne Paul. Alex doesn't ask him about accountancy. It seems like that would be his his best interview shot. No his best interview shot is to ask what about when you were kids. Let's get back into this. Who got started waking up to

this whole New World Order collectivist slave system. Was it you? Was it another brother? Was it Ron? Give us that lore. Well I think while Ron was waiting for babies to be born he began to read Austrian economic book and so he went all the way back to through Ludwig von Mises in Ohio and all the people believed in the Austrian economic theory which is free enterprise private property and liberty to do what you want. He learned and understood this issue. So on our last episode we talked about how the Mies Institute believes that you have the right to allow your child to die because because forcing you to feed them is an infringement on your rights. They are a mess. Ron Paul was there at the beginning. He got it

from the source. He read all of this Ludwig von Mises shit and he went buck wild. I like that it's while he was waiting for babies. I imagine he's standing there next to the woman pushing and he's just got his watch out and reading the fucking Austrian economics. Look according to this book I'm not obligated to help you give birth. If you die you die. That's what the book says. Look forcing me to help you in your pregnancy is a positive responsibility and an infringement on my rights. But based on the Mies Institute wouldn't he be allowed to first ask for payment before he gives her the baby? Probably. I don't know. I think so. So we talked about that issue with the Mies Institute on the last episode but today I want to tell you about how they

celebrated Christmas. Nineteen ninety eight and that was by posting an article defending Ebenezer Scrooge. All right guys we got this one. So from the article quote the fact is if Cratchett's skills were worth more to anyone than the 15 shilling Scrooge pays him weekly there would be someone glad to offer it to him since no one has and since Cratchett's profit maximizing boss is hardly a man to pay for nothing Cratchett must be worth exactly his present wages right. I don't think they got the point of the story and I'm starting to think that they're they're they're quibble isn't with Dickens. No no quote no doubt Cratchett needs i.e. want more to support his family and to care for tiny Tim food but Scrooge did not force Cratchett to

father children. He's having difficulty supporting if Cratchett had children while suspecting he would be unable to afford them. He not Scrooge is responsible for their plight. There you go. Hey what math checks out the math checks out and you got to take responsibility for your actions. So the Meese Institute also takes aim right at the ghost of Christmas past. All right. What about the conditions at the time definitely leading to tiny Tim's series of ailments. That wasn't his choice. Did he have a choice to live in London when they don't get into that. Okay. So but about the ghost of Christmas past. Sure quote Scrooge's first employer good old Fezzawig was a bit freer with the Guinea. He throws his employees a Christmas

party. What the what the ghost of Christmas past does not explain is how Fezzawig afforded it. Did he attempt to pass the added costs on to his customers or did young Scrooge pay for it anyway by working for marginally lower wages. These guys are on it. Clearly they fucking love Ebenezer Scrooge. Hey could you get me a beer. Your friendship is not valuable enough for one full beer. I will get you one half. So about Scrooge it is how they close the the article quote there can be no arguing with Dickens wish to show the spiritual advantages of love but there was no need to make the object of his lesson an entrepreneur whose ideas and practices benefit his employees society at large and himself won't anybody think of the oligarch stand

won't anybody think of how they must feel. Yeah Jesus these guys are real. Wow shit. That's almost that almost has to be deliberate trolling and I would believe that if they didn't believe everything that they're saying based on a lot of stuff that I've read from them. I do not believe this is trolling. Yeah. I believe that this I mean I think it's probably written with a little bit of a wink but but the wink is like aren't I clever. Yeah exactly. Yeah. It's less like I'm fucking with you. It's like look at this. I'm I'm taking this I read this book better than you you dumb dumb. Yeah. That's the wink. Yeah. That's the comedy. Yeah. Jeez. I just I just admire that kind of certain like oh I'm going after this one cherished immortal story that

everybody easily gets the moral of and I'm going to flip it on its head baby. You guys don't have shit on me. Yeah. There's just a there's just a like a central problem with philosophies that put private property as the top yeah thing the highest priority and then secondarily libertarianism has a real problem because the non-aggression principle that's so central to libertarian thought is incoherent. Yeah. And so trying to apply those two things like and it applies them to all sorts of life situations. You just end up with nonsensical shit like yeah Scrooge was the real victim. Yeah. And you should be able to let your kids starve. Yep. Yep. Great. Let's let's follow our beliefs to their logical conclusion and all of our children are starved to death. Okay. I think we

might be on to so Ron Paul read all that stuff. Hell yeah. Then decided here's a career. That's what I got. I'm going to do this for the next 40 fucking years. That's because one lady had to wait. He she was in labor for like three days. He read all of the books and now he's sick of being a doctor. Sure. Yeah. So we know one thing a lot about Wayne Paul like defining characteristic. I mean it's what you said as soon as you heard his name and that is that he believes that three people voted for the Federal Reserve. Absolutely. Because he said that in Alex's documentary. Yeah. And then it turns out he says it on the show too. He really does believe this. He does. We had more real wealth growth per capita for every person in the United States

than ever conceived of by man. That's right. It was over 10 percent a year. Absolute. And what happened in November of December of 1913 Federal Reserve Act was passed by three people on the floor of the house. There it is. 20 years later in 33 we turned around and Roosevelt declares United States bankrupt. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I mean that's just lunacy. There's no other way to put it. There's like there it's so easy to show that that is not true. That's just you're being deliberately obtuse if you continue to believe that. I don't know. I don't know. I think he's just like maybe old. Yeah. That's true. And dumb. That could be also. I worry about the Paul family. You think so. I don't know. I don't know. There are other

siblings. But the two of them are not a good example of of like really well thought out positions. Yeah. Like if I were Ron I would be like Wayne don't go on infor wars and say that three people voted in the Federal Reserve. Yeah. That looks bad. Yeah. Just because I also believe it's true doesn't mean you want to say it in front of the normies. Very strange. Yeah. So here's the last clip we have. It's Alex asking for closing comments closing comments in the two minutes we've got left. Sure. Well I'm delighted for the opportunity to be on the radio. I again want to reiterate we live in the most exciting times of my life. I think the United States is going to change in terms of its economic environment. Somebody going to play him off the right answers when

change is needed. And I think every citizen of the United States can look forward to an unbelievable prosperity in this country. If we turn around and understand what's going on and we fight for our liberty it's all going to start today. It didn't. Nope. I like the idea that he's saying that he's living in the most exciting time of his life like he lived through the fucking World War two. Sure. Civil rights era. Boring. Vietnam War. Whatever. Korean War. What are you talking about. What. Mesh wasn't that good man. Holy shit. The stuff that he lived through. He wasn't paying attention. I guess it would be really exciting on a subjective level for your brother to run for president again. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I would

consider the 2012 election to be the most exciting time of the last 70 plus years. Yeah. I would say that's probably one of the more boring elections that we've had in a long time. It wasn't pretty much a foregone conclusion. Yeah. It wasn't. I don't remember it being very invigorating. No. No no no. Especially after the whole forty seven percent thing where it's just like oh you're get out of here. Get out of here. Romney gross Romney. You're fucking stupid. Yeah. Is Wayne still alive. I have no idea. Oh well because I was going to say if he thought that one of the Grand Prix he thought 2012 was exciting man. Twenty twenty the end of the world has already been declared by another guest on info war. So it's over for humanity. I knew you had a few

numbers. I was always at the ready. I want always there. Yeah. I mean that's the most exciting times really end times the end times. You have to be. Yeah. I don't know what Wayne Paul's up to. He has too easy a name to go like to comment to Google Paul's. Yeah. And he's too low profile to really be relevant. Yeah. I have no idea what he's up to. Oh also I don't care. Oh there's that. I don't know what he's up to. I agree with you. It's it's really really interesting to me. And I think that like there is there is an interesting element in that you have the anti-establishment candidate in 2012 in the person of Ron Paul coming into the Iowa caucuses which has a slight mirror to the present day with the Democratic primary. I think there's slight

parallels but far more differences to make them analogous. Sure. But I think that there is that that's really interesting. And then further I think I am overwhelmed by how similar he's Alex is speaking of Ron Paul to how he spoke about Donald Trump particularly in the lead up to the 2016 election. Right. That I was not expecting to find and it makes me kind of want to dig more into that. Right. The Ron Paul runs the more I think about that. That's the thing that makes the most sense to me because yeah I didn't I didn't consider it but you're right. Yeah because with the with the libertarian nonsense people there's such a narrow view of what even a candidate they could support. Right. You know so if you're trying to sell them anybody you have to sell them

the same way that you sell Ron Paul has been you know and Trump can fit some of those bills but why not just throw them all on there anyway. Sell them sell them to libertarians as Ron Paul even if he's not. I just never really considered it for a number of reasons. One they're so different Ron Paul and Donald Trump in reality they are. Yes. And then second like Alex was already trying to do those characterizations with Rand Paul before he decided to flip to Trump. Yeah. Yeah. So I never really considered that's a good point. I never really considered how much like it just might be the boilerplate way I define good candidate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's interesting how like even I knowing what I know about Alex give him way too much credit for like

some kind of depth to what he's doing. Yeah. Like I really I really need to probably get rid of some of that. It is. It is hard to because we listen to the lead up there and hearing all of his bullshit. You just assume that he created it. You know you assume that there was some sort of creative element to it because you would have to create Trump with yeah with Trump but then you're like oh why would I assume that the least creative man who does no research and doesn't care would have a creative take. Yeah. It seems like the most likely thing is like I've done this. I did this with Ron yeah a couple times bang it out just to switch out some names done all my rants. It's all muscle memory. Yep. It seems like it's possible. I don't know in order to really

be more certain of that. I need to go back and listen to a lot of 2008 and 2012 yeah which I may do yeah maybe something for the future. But for now it's interesting to take this little glimpse into Alex's Iowa caucus day 2012 in order to have something to talk about. Yeah. Our new research or our new research project is just going through every election to find out whether or not Alex supports a candidate and how he describes it will not be that yeah. But you know this is this is a little mini episode because Alex is on some sort of mysterious vacation where he's gone for a couple days. I have no idea what he's doing. But it came out of nowhere and we'll see. I think we may have to have a episode on Friday this week. We'll see. But if he's out of studio on Wednesday and Thursday

then I don't know what the fuck. So we'll we'll see what happens. But until until you see we see you again. We have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight dot com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. Is that knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed. Jordan was on Facebook. We are on Facebook. You'd like to know so soon. I tunes leave a review download donate the whole thing. We love it. We'll be back. But until then I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm one of the three people who voted in the Federal Reserve in 1913. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex. I'm a first time color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.