Knowledge Fight - #404: Mr. Jones Goes To CPAC

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones' horribly misguided rally at CPAC. It was an event full of real dumb weirdos, from doomed congressional candidates and longshot grifters to Nick Fuentes. The goal was to get Trump's attention about the cause of free speech, but the end result is probably everyone waking up the next day not feeling like they did a good job.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan I'm Jordan a couple dudes like sit around like novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan. I have a quick question. What up as we all know climate change is coming. Sure. I what natural wonder would you like to see before the world is changed by climate change? Do you want to see the Amazon River? Have you seen the Grand Canyon have you on river would be great, but I feel like there's a lot of bugs. There are a lot

of associate mosquitoes, maybe not mosquitoes, but just like malaria eat me alive. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of takes some of the wonder away from it. Although I would like to see the Amazon. Sure. I've been to the Grand Canyon. I've been to just about everything in the United States. Yeah. I've been to a lot of national parks and national monuments and stuff except for I guess like I don't think of maybe I have. I don't know if I've been to Niagara Falls. I was actually just about to ask you if you've been to Niagara. I like a waterfall. You know growing up in Hawaii for a bit. There was a lot of great natural splendor and waterfalls that you're able to find around the islands. Waterfalls are very

cool. Don't go chasing them though says who three gals that I know. I don't know. That's a tough question. I mean like I don't. I don't know what the likelihood of various things being destroyed is. Well I was I would put the priority at whatever is the most vulnerable right. You know that that would be my thing. Well I had the I got to go to Iceland. I saw glacier. I saw a whole glacier. I climbed on top of that would be going away. That would be nice. That that would be that would be up there in terms of a vacation. Yes. Seeing a big thing of ice. You know what not that great. I had the same reaction to when I went to as a child I went to Mount Rushmore. Oh yeah. It was like I expected to see something

that was like oh my God. So amazing. It went to it. This isn't that great. It's just a bunch of faces on a rock. And I remember not being all that impressed with it too. I thought it was smaller than I imagined. It was in the distance. I was much more impressed by Old Faithful the geyser really. Yeah you were impressed by old faith. It was pretty cool. I am uninterested in geysers. Water coming out of the ground. We saw a few geysers in Iceland and it was very boring. Okay. You just wait around and then it goes. Yeah. That was pretty fun. Fair enough. Different feelings about geysers. But this is a podcast where we may not agree on geysers but we agree that I know a lot about Alex. We absolutely do. So Jordan

today we got an interesting episode to go over because Alex has been out of studio all the last week. He was out at CPAC. There were people to harangue. Yeah. And so we don't have. I mean I'm not going to cover Mike Adams hosting the show nor Alan keys. Oh no. Come on. We got to get some keys in the economics in here. I'm not going to do that. So we don't have any of Alex Jones's show itself to go over. But thankfully I was able to find something maybe a little bit more fun. Okay. Possibly or a little weirder. But before we get down to business on that we got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up in our sporting show. That's great. So first Stephen thank you so much. You are now

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by going to our website, knowledgefights.com, clicking the button says support the show. We would appreciate it. Please do. It'd be very helpful. So Jordan, like I said, yes, Alex Jones and most of the info wars family went to Washington DC to try and wine and beg for attention by taking over CPAC like the Beverly Hills Hillbillies somewhat in their conception. They were taking over CPAC. Sure. So there were all sorts of highlights from the trip like Gavin McGinnis getting kicked out of CPAC and Gavin McGinnis being told to leave the lobby outside CPAC in the middle of being interviewed by Alex's intern Harrison Smith about how he'd been kicked out of CPAC. Good stuff. Great highlights. Very headline worthy stuff. Oh yeah. They threw some

kind of gala party on Thursday night, but for a person like me, who's about the substance, it was all about their emergency. Save the First Amendment Summit, which took place Wednesday evening. This was an event that promised appearances from the likes of Millie Weaver, Gavin McGinnis and the hastily booked Nick Fuentes all booked to complain about how they're not allowed on social media. Oh man. This is this is like the cast of birth of a nation. Like this is creepy. Yeah. Not good in what I can only describe as a huge mistake. The entire video of this First Amendment Summit was posted on info. Why you don't want evidence of your shit. No you let this one just like live for the live people. Just don't don't don't leave evidence. It might be one of

the saddest things I've ever seen in my life. That's right. First of all, as we know, the event was being put on by National File, which is the blog that Alex's employee Tom Pappert runs. I call him an employee, but that might not actually be the most accurate term like Pappert used to host firepower radio until they all realized it was pointless and no one was listening and he fills in for Owen on the war room sometime. So whether he has a contract or not, I consider him an employee even though my terminology might be a little imprecise. He's in the orbit. Yeah. National File had planned to hold an event at a smaller auditorium, but when Alex heard about this, he insisted they rent out the Omni, a much larger venue befitting of a star of his caliber.

Alex has suggested that he paid as much as $20,000 to rent the bigger room because with a roster like Gavin, Alex and Nick Fuentes, you're going to draw a crowd. As it turns out, they did not. The video, the summit begins with a wide shot with Rob Dew on stage giving the audience an introduction. You can see 12 people in the crowd compared to at least 40 empty chairs. I should say in the interest of full honesty that one of the chairs has someone's coat over the back of it. So that might be audience member 13 or it might be the coat of the guy in the chair next to it. I don't know. I'm not entirely sure it's unclear. It was the it was the end of a very bad first date. That's for sure. This is a depressing turnout. I mean, there's no way around

how sad this is. And if you look at the video at the end of the event where we get another wide shot, it doesn't look like many more people showed up over the course of the summit. The most I was ever really able to count in any wide shot was about 34. But granted, the shot itself doesn't show the entire room, but it does show the first 10 rows. No, when I when I ran an open mic out of the back of a Mexican restaurant, that would have been a great turnout. I would have killed for 34 people. That is exactly a thought that I had. Like I'm not. I don't want to be a dick about it. Like if I were a showcase producers doing stand-up stuff, I would love that. That would feel pretty good. I would leave the show like wishing it had been packed, but I would take it

in stride like hey. You can't win them all great. It's good. It's a good turnout because you got to be reasonable about these things, but here's the thing. Alex's brand is not reasonable. No, that's not supposed to be the most popular talk show host in the world and everyone would know that he's the most popular if the media would stop lying about him and pretending that he's not. Exactly. A live event like this has to be packed. Any empty seat, let alone 40 or more of them in the front rows, that's a damning refutation of the image he presents of himself. There may have been a few more people than the folks I'm able to count in the video, but I also heard from an inside source according to a person who was there in the room that there was never more than 100

people in the crowd. I've performed at independent comedy shows that have been better attended and my friend, I was not a successful comic. There's a lot going on in the world. I'm pretty sure that Alex has some pretty horrible takes on the Corona virus developments and the situation in Syria and the Democratic primary, but since he's been out of the studio, we have to wait to Wednesday to check up on any of that stuff. Today we're going to walk through this three hour long emergency free speech summit that Alex put on desperately trying to beg for Trump's attention. I don't want to prejudice you or the audience, but I have to say that watching this was one of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had preparing for this show. This summit was so poorly run that

it caused me to yell who's in charge here way more than once as a person who used to produce live stand up shows. There are just so many very basic mistakes that Alex and his friends made that just made it clear that no one was trying and or and no one knows what they're doing. It's infuriating to watch, but I kept my wits about me and I'm glad I did because this summit is a pretty amazing narrative arc to it. It has almost nothing to do with the free speech and First Amendment that they're supposedly there for they're not fans of it actually, but there is a rich psycho drama going on that I think actually has pretty important implications for the info wars universe. Okay, and we'll get into that over the course of this six hour episode that we're sitting down. Oh man

oh we're about to embark. I believe the word count in my notes is sixteen thousand. Jesus why not just read a novella straight to the straight to the crowd? Why don't you react to my novella? Okay, all right. So the like I said the first shot that you have is Rob do on stage and he I guess I mean if you're in the audience or if you're watching this you're like okay Rob do is the host of the event you'd be wrong in that of course, but Rob do does welcome the crowd kind of and here's how he does his he's rambling. He is a rambly intro. There's plenty of other things like the Federal Reserve isn't federal. Nice. Some of you guys might know some of this stuff some of you might not. Quick show of hands how many people are here to see Alex Jones?

All right everybody good. All right well he will be down here in just a second he wanted to kick off this event and then he's also headlining at the end and as people are filing in eating we'll see how this hopefully this will be a packed room at the end of the night and we'll have lots of rousing applause and screaming and a lot of free speech. Does anybody have a word that they don't want to hear tonight? Anybody shout it out real quick. Dangerous game. Okay good no we don't want to trigger anybody just kidding. Actually we do. There's some triggering going on tonight. You guys are killing it. You guys are killing it. This doesn't work with a lackadaisical thin crowd. This sort of like yeah we do want to be edgy. Also by the way if you're Rob do yelling out like

what words don't you want to hear that's a recipe for someone to yell the n word. Yeah pretty much you're just except no no not there. They're not going to yell the n word out that because then you're saying the words they don't want to hear. Damn. Oh that's a good point. See what I'm saying none of them are going to yell that out because they're like we'll be fine with it but I'm not entirely sure that this audience would have thought that through. I think that I think that it's basically is heard as an invitation to say offensive words right right right. It does seem like yeah from an audience perspective. You're like chomping at the bit to heckle right here. That's your call. Somebody's out there screaming college degrees. I don't want to hear that out

here. So the sense that I got is that Rob recognizes that the audience is thin and maybe more people are coming as we've experienced it every single independently run comedy show ever. It's like oh yeah I got some friends that are on the way. We're going to push for 10 minutes. We're going to push this back. I know this. I know the start time was eight but it's in its eight twenty five now we're going to get started. I'm joking around and it sounds mean but I've done that myself a hundred times running. Absolutely. Look we'll give it five. We'll give it five. You know yeah absolutely. It's a it's a technique you do when you're disappointed at the turnout and so Rob is trying to vamp because I think that Alex also doesn't want to get up on stage in front of this

light crowd. No. And so he this is just from the jump. This is embarrassing. But let's see. I was waiting for Alex to come. What else is in the news. What else is in the news. Playing for time. So I'm going to go to oh by the way if you don't I'm on Twitter a lot. They haven't just sent me off there yet. And my Twitter is at Doos News. D. W. S. N. E. W. Z. It is not through here to see what oh this was interesting today. Rob Blagojevic. Let me read this tweet. Are we really doing a little tipsy so I can tell you this. There's a reason Barack Obama was so passionate about the 2015 Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage. He has slept with numerous men. Sorry Barry had to. So Rob Blagojevic I think thought he was going

to get a pardon from Barack Obama and he didn't. Whoa. So the first thing that's important to point out here is that this is an emergency First Amendment summit where the whole point is all these conservatives are being taken off social media and the first person to take the podium is literally Alex Jones's longest running employee and news director who decides to make it clear while stretching out before Alex shows up that he's actually still on Twitter. Absolutely that kind of invalidates the whole argument. It might be something you'd rather not call attention to because it raises the question in a listener's mind. What has Alex done that Rob do hasn't. That is a good question. The fact that Rob do is still on Twitter as is Owen Schreuer should be

compelling evidence that maybe people who have been kicked off were kicked off for a reason. No no no it's because they're conservatives. They just don't know about do you. Maybe not. Also that tweet Rob is reading is supposedly from Rob Blagojevic which Rob is Rob do is using as a basis to argue that bloggo was expecting a pardon from Obama which he did not get. So now he's taking to Twitter to tell the world that Obama's gay. I hate to ruin Rob do's party but this tweet is from an account called at gov bloggo whose bio is literally quote not the real bloggo parody account says who says the guy who runs the account. You can't trust him. That's exactly what bloggo would do down. This account is a person who's trying to sell bloggo t shirts and one of the

strategies they've clearly been using is to post inflammatory jokes about bloggo being set up and a bunch of tweets about booze. One tweet from February 27th was just quote there's drunk and then there's bloggo drunk and right now I'm at the level of bloggo drunk party. This was followed up by a tweet a little bit later saying quote I'm so drunk I could twerk on the bar. I do my best work at this level. How dare you humanize that monster. Like I said though this account is clearly also employing some parody that's a little bit subtler like this tweet quote theory. The Chinese didn't like these tariffs. So how do they get rid of them get rid of Trump. How do you get rid of Trump create a virus that will turn into a worldwide plague and

cause the American economy to suffer. You think the Corona virus is an accident bloggo doesn't on one level. Rob do thinks this is actually Blagojevich is Twitter because he's an idiot and he never checks any information before accepting it and repeating it but on a deeper level he automatically accepts the tweet as real because it conforms to what he wants to believe and I can't put it more simply than this. A parody account is indistinguishable from what Rob do really thinks. Yes. That's bad. Do you know what I would say to that. We just figured out do's news. I got some news about this. Consider for a moment that Rob do just told this crowd at a free speech rather that he's still on Twitter and that he got fooled by a

Rob Blagojevich parody account that says quote parody account in its bio and he's worked for Alex for over a decade. When you go to info wars you show up dumb and you certainly don't get sharper based on the experience. Yeah. I hope never to be beyond parody. I would prefer to say parodyable. That would be nice. So Rob vamps a bit and then you know it doesn't get much better than a fake bloggo tweet. Now as a as a host I can I'll tell him he's he's not doing a good job. No. No. But now it's time to get Alex on stage. All right. Here we go. Give you a warm welcome for Alex Jones. Well there's a big old traffic jam from CPAC over here. We appreciate all you that got here early. So we're pretty much on timer tonight. We've got a big long list of

great speakers coming up like Gavin McGinnis Owen Schreuer Nick Foyntas and so many more Lee Stranahan. I'm going to be speaking. Deanna Lorrain's going to be speaking. She's amazing. And Gavin McGinnis comes up right before I do. And then we're going to have Q&A later. And there's a big traffic snarl. But we're not going to start this too late. We're going to go ahead and start this right now and get folks here. I've seen this move a hundred times at poorly run comedy shows. The crowd is thin so they push back the start time. That doesn't help. So the host gets up and makes an excuse like bad traffic or maybe it looks like it might rain or something. The host does what they can to make the people who are there feel special like Alex is doing. I appreciate

you showing up. You know the other one. You're the ones who get it and the show can start. Hey everybody here isn't watching that bears game right everybody. We're going to have a good time. Yeah. Also Rob was very explicit that Alex was the headliner and here we have Alex reaffirming that Gavin is the feature act of this way way too long showcase and then Alex is bringing it home before a pointless Q&A session. Good to know. Yeah. That's the established setup of the night. We'll see what happens. So we end up getting into Alex's introductory piece. Okay. It's me andering. Is he going to do a racist accent? No. But he kind of does a yak off bit. Okay. All right. Okay. So yes we're in digital medium and I reach over 300,000 people every segment as rated on just

commercial radio. The globalist thought they'd try to take me off Facebook, Twitter, you know YouTube. They didn't realize I was over 200 radio stations and over 100 TV stations because that's their arrogance. They jump the gun. They abuse the power of big tech. The old days UHF VHF TV. You watch television. It didn't watch you very close. Wow. Very close to a yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. So in my country. Uh-huh. So it seems like a bit of this is bragging about his reach. Which is great. I thought it was about that wonderful weird Al Yankovic movie. Nope. So that is in opposition to the reality that's in front of him. He's drawn a very miniscule crowd compared to the millions and millions of people who listen to conservatively. What is it a tenth

of the world population? Pretty much. Yeah. Every world leader exactly listens every day. So that's tough. Yeah. And you can tell that it's Alex is not thrilled with this turnout. Like you can see a self consciousness. So the fact that out of billions of people served in info wars, the fact that in the middle of a DC traffic jam and rainy streets and with two days announcing this that one person or a hundred people or a thousand people show up is an act of defiance against the tyrants and is a beautiful thing. That's a rationalization. Oh boy. That's all that is. So in this next club, Alex teases the theme of his headlining speech. Sure. When I get back up here, here's what we're going to talk about. I have got a plan. I got a stack of papers

out there on my desk. So I'm going to get to all then we're going to get to calls after the this is literally we're going to get to calls after you. I think that you have maybe brilliantly deduced that this might turn into an episode of the Alex Jones show at a certain point. So Alex teases the theme of his big headlining speech involves smoking gun proof of something and here we go. Now coming up in about two hours when I give my 20 minute speech, I'm going to get into the smoking gun evidence of governmental funding of censorship of the American people and the blueprint they believe to have us not stand up for each other where they pick off one person here, one person there and by the time they get to you, there's nobody to

stand up for you. Now that's really a common sense thing we know in history. It happens, but it's happening again right now. And we have a real chance to say no to this. So again, Alex is trying to get this sparse audience excited for his headlining speech. It seems like the theme he's going for is basically the first they came for poem. Yeah, that was a poem written by the Luther and pastor Martin Nemoller in the form of a confession expressing guilt for not doing more in the lead up to the Holocaust because he thought it wasn't his problem. It's very clear that what Alex is doing is he's hoping to evoke that here. But I'm very convinced he will never, ever, ever actually quote that poem and that's because the

first line is quote first they came for the socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Alex wants to co-op the ever resonant themes of this poem, but I'll never talk about what the poem actually says because well he's kind of invested in the enterprise of coming for the socialists. The next stanza is about coming for the trade unionists, which again Alex would be on the side, actively opposing the unions. Well, yeah, he wants to evoke the imagery and the feeling of that poem, but not the specifics of it, which is fine. I guess what you don't understand is that the poem and the poet was dumb because Alex just summed up the whole poem with just like, you know, if you don't stand up for somebody, nobody's gonna stand up for you. See how simple

it is. He's the real poet here. Sure. Yeah. So speaking of poets, you can take classes and poetry. But yes, I have. And if you do, you'll get a grade. It's true. That was a long walk for me. Okay. In this next clip, Alex starts rambling about giving Trump a grade for his performance as president. Great transition. He ends up saying some things that are ill advised. These are not good things to say about someone who you're trying to present as good. But my main mission tonight was to simply point out that President Trump is very transactional. Not good. If he doesn't think you have something to bring to the table. President Trump is not going to deal with you. That's a psychopath in business. And he believes

in America and he's promoting our country and he's standing up the chai comms. I'll give him an A minus report card. So this might not be the best way to characterize your hero president. Like I don't think anyone should be supporting an elected official who's transactional, particularly when it comes to matters of public interest. I have no idea how Alex can get in front of this thin crowd and tell them that Trump doesn't deal with you unless you have something to offer him and expect that to sound good. It sounds insanely corrupt, like blatant corruption to the point where even Alex is trying to make it sound good. It sounds like a mob guy. Hey, hey, listen, all of you 20 people here who totally have a ton of

money. Trump is willing to deal with you. If you guys don't have anything to value, I'm not positive that it's a well to do crowd. I have no idea. I can't. You can't really suss that out from the video. Then I'm starting to think by Alex's own definition. Trump does not have any interest in them. No, probably not. Yeah. So but I guess that's why he gets an A minus. Okay, fair enough. So Alex gets into the grading issues a little bit more. So I'll give him an A minus report card, because when it comes to standing up for free speech and standing up against big tech cartels, combining forces to censor populist and patriots and gun groups and veteran groups and Christian organizations and pro life groups, President Trump gets an F minus.

It takes it down to an A minus because in that way, standing up for the First Amendment, President Trump has an F. I'm not sure how Alex is waiting grades here, but I didn't realize that he puts so little priority on free speech stuff. Like he literally yells about it all the time. And so many of his completely manufactured complaints about the left have to do with fake free speech grievances, like the purple penguins affair. So I would have really considered him to be a free speech absolutist. Like his fucking company is called free speech systems. Right. Based on every indication I get about what he pretends his positions are, if a president gets an F minus on free speech issues, it should be impossible for their whole

grade to be a minus Dan Dan Biller writes ten amendments. Guess what? You fuck up on one amendment. You still got a ninety percent day and it makes perfect. You're wrong. Okay grades. They're a system that follows certain rules. They aren't arbitrary. There's a method for averaging out grades or creating a grade point average. If you're taking four college courses and you have A's and three of them in an F and one that'll give you a B average or a three point oh and a minus is a three point seven GPA and you need to be taking fourteen classes before an F could be absorbed and leave you with an A minus average. All right. And that's only if all those classes are weighted exactly the same. There's no sane world where Alex could give Trump an F

minus on free speech and his average grade is still a minus this like so many other things is just Alex talking shit. He doesn't really care about free speech because if he did it would probably be at least the thing where it bumps Trump's grade down to a B. Okay here. Okay let's do it this way. Let's go better than this way. All right. Let's wait the averages here. Trump has two jobs two important amendments. First he's doing great on gun rights. So he has ninety two percent. I'm not positive. That's even the first amendment only look. He's docked eight points. Trump is you know Alex has talked about it a bunch. Trump has indicated like the inclinations toward red flag laws. Okay. So I don't know if he is doing that great. All right. So maybe the guy who

promised us everything has delivered on fuck all and has made himself a lot of money in the process. That's why he's the greatest president in the history of the world Dan. I think that this A minus is just a strong indication that Alex realizes like I can't say even B plus because Trump would take that as an insult and maybe it would hurt my chances of getting his attention. Wow. It's very cowardly. Yeah. This is very. This is sad. Yeah. I told you. Very weird. This is bad. So Alex spends a good portion of the his introductory set talking about how Julian Assange needs to be pardoned. Sure. And this seems to be one of the only things that really enlivens the crowd. President Trump signed on that metaphysical dotted line and said as candidate Trump months

before the election. Julian Assange if you have him release him and Julian Assange wasn't a wimp. Julian Assange pulled the trigger and he released the criminal activities of the deep state wanting to cause race wars and bio wars and collapses and pure evil. And he did a hero's work and instead of being carried down Main Street in New York City in a ticker tape parade for delivering the shot down the Death Star reactor shaft. Julian Assange has spent years and years and years and years in solitary confinement where he's a gibbering person that can't even hardly talk at these hearings and President Trump sits there on the sidelines. God sounds familiar. President Trump because he's honorable and cares about America and has strength. But in the final equation if he doesn't get Julian

Assange out of prison and continues along with this fake extradition then President Trump has joined all those cowardly globalists in the swamp and makes me want to throw up. Does that mean I'm going to support Hillary? We know she's getting ready to broker convention. Hell no. But still it takes a great record that President Trump's engaged in and absolutely tarnishes it and that's what we're talking about. And then you take Roger Stone. So if you follow that he's saying that Julian Assange and Trump made a spiritual contract when Trump said release these emails then Trump didn't follow through by pardoning Assange or giving him clemency or whatever right the case would be and so now Julian Assange is a gibbering person who can't talk and if Trump

doesn't part in Assange that'll make Alex want to throw up but he'll still support him. Yeah of course. I will look okay. So you're right. This is my line in the sand but also I will still support you no matter what you do. Sure. I said yes that you couldn't shit in your hand and then smeared on my face. That was my last straw but I swear to you if you do it one more time that will be my do not. All right. We're starting over. You you put it in my face again. We're going to do this one more time. Look I don't line in the sand. I don't like you putting shit in my face but what am I supposed to do? Support Hillary Clinton. All right. Well she's still not running so you can try anyone else starting a podcast. Oh God. I have no backbone but I'm emphatic

about that. It seems to be the message. That seems to be the Republican Party. So Alex gets up. A lot of this is petty grievance talk. A lot of like I've been wronged but this is an episode event but it's good when I've been wronged because it tells me that I'm on the right track. That mentality is going to be ubiquitous throughout these speakers but here here here is one of the first points where I'm like this is not going well. I mean when Alex gets up and just rants the way he does all the time it's like well he says stupid things but like this is exactly what you expect. This is what you pay for. Yeah. This is where I think things start to fall apart. I turn towards that attack and I put my head down and go into it because that is where the daggers

of truth will go into their livers and their hearts and their kidneys and their spine. It's in that place of their fear when they attack me that I know I've been given the guidance of where to strike and so instead of being cowards of slaves I say we fight and we take action now today. Let's go ahead and bring up Tom Pappert of National File to put on this great event. So I don't think that Tom Pappert knew exactly when Alex was going to be wrapping up this little ranty intro because Alex just you know he's in the middle of yelling about how he knows where to attack when he gets attacked then on a dime he turns to introing Tom then Alex just bales from the stage not waiting for Tom to get up on stage. Oh crucial mistake. A lot of open mic

etiquette being broken here like if you're introing someone you wait on stage for them to come up you shake their hand and ceremonially give them the stage. This seems like a little thing but it's an important gesture that the audience definitely subconsciously notices. Alex by virtue of being the biggest star in the building and most of the people there's boss has a position of authority by leaving without greeting Tom on stage he's sending a message of disrespect kind of like I've done my part good luck kid. It's very rude and it lends the whole show an air of disunity like the speakers aren't really in this together. If your goal is to have a successful performance there are little things like this that you need to be mindful of and it's just wild to think that

Alex has been in some form of show business or performance art for over 20 years and he doesn't seem to know those things. Yeah absolutely. It's basic. Now another thing that happens when you surprise introduce somebody then just leave the stage is that you completely sandbag them. The audience is trained to applaud for ends of performances and introductions so when you wrap up an intro the next person but they take a while to get on stage the applause will be clapped out by the time they get to the podium. Instead of being able to ride in on a wave of applause and support you're now faced with dying enthusiasm as you begin your presentation which puts you in an uphill battle. Instead of just getting going you're now kind of in a position

where you have to win the crowd over which we'll see Tom tries to do with the uh he's you know here let's uh let's go ahead and listen to that here. All right it's a little bit difficult to follow up on Alex Jones as you might imagine but uh Alex is going to be speaking again later tonight we've got a bunch of great speakers coming up. See you you try and save it with the it's hard to follow Alex Jones thinking that'll be like how it is but that's a bad piece of business and unless you follow it up with something like a humorous anecdote about Alex it's only going to signal further weakness and prove to the audience that you're not in control of the situation like you have like you're giving a cop out for why I'm not going to be entertaining it's hard to follow Alex.

It is it is fascinating how much of our like creating those little moments that will turn just an event into a fucking show into the illusion of an actual show like those tiny little moments can change everything yeah absolutely and all of our experience running these shows is very applicable to how poorly they're doing they don't understand any of these little things it's terrible and simply put Tom Pepper is fucked before he even gets on stage and part of it is specifically because Alex is a selfish prick who doesn't understand those little things about presentation and how to be magnanimous be sort of giving with the the space yeah it's it's it's unfortunate because I mean you could transform something from being like well good luck to whoever comes up next to

being like we're all in this you know they give a cohesive feel to it there are people who have the talent and experience necessary to take that awful ending sacrifice their set turn into the host and then make the show a much better show right from there it takes time we're Tom Pepper is not that guy no no no um and uh Alex doesn't do him any favors as he uh you know yeah goes on some people like Alex Jones here has a track record better than the US government the New York Times and yet they still get kicked off it happens each and every day it's a big part of what national file is about but we're still here in defiance of that that's right Alex so I can't talk Alex Jones who can't I'll stop it

papating too much fun Alex put Tom in a bad situation when he introduced him and predictably Tom is not getting much juice going from the audience but to be fair his role is mostly to be the guy from national file to introduce the speakers and plug Alex's website because Alex paid for the event so he doesn't really need that much reaction from the crowd but consider this there have been three people on stage so far and all three of them have in theory been introducing the show as a host rob do is there to vamp and like I guess you know okay there's not many people here let's kill some time and then bring up Alex Alex's headlining but you can't have an Alex Jones event without him showing up to say hello and now Tom Pappard is there doing the actual start of the

speaker's block as the head of national file if I'm in the audience this is already a disorienting level of disorganization from a production standpoint even if I didn't hate Alex I would find this very unimpressive and probably not think that this is going to be a show that has much value I don't know what's going on I don't know who's supposed to be the guide through this who's going to come up after the next speaker what's going on are they going to shotgun it I have loved Alex for 20 years and I have always imagined him to be competent and this is really bad yeah and you and you can see Alex reinforce this feeling that you would have of dis trust for the the capability of the person on stage when he yells shit out well time Tom is trying to get

through his speech yeah the headliner probably shouldn't heckle just say that just saying by Alex interrupting him he's subconsciously telling the audience that this guy on stage isn't worth listening to his value as a speaker is so low that you can just yell things out whenever you feel like it it's very very disrespectful and it cements in everyone's mind that whatever they're claiming this event is about it's actually about Alex what words do you want to hear no no no no yeah oh boy so that's not great but to be fair like I said Tom Pepper in in terms of this show and what it is he can stand to take a bullet yeah like he's not the it's it's not going to be a make or break thing yeah but it does give the the entire proceeding the appearance of just

sloppy shit yeah he was going to do is he was going to do the thing in like a fucking bar back room and now he's in he's in this it would have been much more fitting yeah suck it up and Alex gets to be the star of the show take him take one on the check and you can constantly whenever Alex up stages you and humiliates you you can be like haha Alex is too much fun yeah and it doesn't look bad on you not really I mean it looks incompetent but it doesn't really look that bad yeah exactly so he brings up the first speaker official right of the day and it's a guy named Patrick Howley who works for a national file and this guy fancies himself a comedian oh no and Hilary Clinton has really been on the forefront of this and when she went after one of my heroes

Alex Jones I didn't care for that very much and it makes me wonder man who pissed in their adrena chrome I'll tell you they're drinking something those elites did you see Harvey Weinstein can walk again oh hell yeah oh god we're doing Weinstein man this reporter for national files coming out swinging with some of that hot adrena chrome humor the joke is a little muddy though because I think he's trying to poke fun at the idea that people like Hilary Clinton drink children's blood but he's also speaking at an event put on by Alex Jones who definitely thinks people like Hilary drink children's blood Alex talks about that quite a bit it's a it's a central theme the joke's point is muddy yeah that's why it gets groans from the so is the joke that somebody did put

something in it so I peed in her adrena chrome yeah yeah yeah I don't know so the so like she man that's not good that's like going to a chicago open mic in ever yeah yeah it is open by it's not good did you hear did you hear in the news I don't know what adrena chrome Weinstein was drinking but he can walk anyway this is Patrick Howley and he's introduced as a writer for national file but mysteriously absent from his intro is that he formerly worked at Breitbart and Daily Caller and he founded the absurdly far right blog big league politics and is actually still the editor-in-chief of it in February 2018 the Daily Beast reported that big league politics had been bought by a company called mustard seed media which happens to be owned by a

political consultant named Riley O'Neill who had just finished up failing to get noted monster and alleged pedophile Roy Moore elected in Alabama so cool yeah that political consultant with great integrity when it comes to choosing clients is now Patrick Howley's boss great great also I should point out that the this financial arrangement is really shady considering the fact that the guy who owns mustard seed is still an active political consultant and he's being paid by candidates and politicians who are covered on big league politics Riley O'Neill runs a consulting firm called Tidewater Strategies along with another right-wing consultant Noel Fritch that Daily Beast article points out that multiple politicians who have paid O'Neill and Fritch uh who also they

also get shockingly positive coverage at big league politics like Overt white nationalist Paul Nielin and former Virginia gubernatorial candidate Corey Stewart and this seems like a pattern with these guys I'll just read to you here from the end of this Daily Beast article quote big league politics isn't O'Neill's first foray into the political news business and at least one other media property he controls has promoted his consulting firms clients first in Freedom Daily a North Carolina centric conservative news site owned by mustard seed media has promoted political efforts by two of O'Neill's clients North State Leadership Council and North Carolina gun rights stories promoting both of those groups were written by Spencer Hardison

who works for Tidewater the consulting group Hardison began contributing to big league politics this month this is all super shady shit and anyone interested at all in any kind of journalistic integrity would absolutely never have their right wing propaganda blog be owned by active GOP political consultants yeah that's that's probably unethical yeah I'll say that it's a parody level of a corrupt that might be I say that might be an ethical yeah but what frustrates me most is apparently he has some sort of syllabic meter requirements for his names mustard seed media big league politics it's all got the same meter to it just thing that that's what you fix wow all right so beyond being a dumb I expect corruption

beyond being a dumb dumb and a sellout I'm not particularly interested in Patrick Howley he's very boring and not funny as evidenced by the groans he got for that dren drenachrome joke and so we're not going to listen to anything more than a dren chrome now when Patrick gets done with his speech he introduces the next speaker so they're shotgun hosting it apparently okay don't anybody did anybody say that they don't have another host come up Patrick just brings milley weaver to stage she's speaking next who's got the chops and experience to really bring this whole thing together holy shit she's got the goods she's got it so rainbow snatch coming in to save the day here milley talks about how alex jones woke her up short so how did I

get woken up who woke me up who this man sitting here in this room alex jones alex jones is what started my trajectory into media and ever since then I have been working hard to expose the truth and get the truth out there so milley weaver speaking next in her speech starts by talking about how democrats and liberals are just dumb people who don't know the truth yet she knows this firsthand because she used to be one and then as you heard she gives alex credit for waking her up and now she's smart this is particularly funny because I'm old enough to remember when milley weaver tweeted out quote dear libtards who think facebook is a privately owned business there's a thing called fact checking facebook is a public business that's publicly

traded using that argument to justify banning alex jones doesn't work she got us nailed it she was woken up to the smartest truth there is it's so awesome when these dumb dumps get so convinced that they're right about something that they shoot off some completely inaccurate thing while chastising people to fact check yeah it's great donning kruger we're like this it'll never get this far like it's bad milley can say that alex woke her up to reality all she wants but i would propose that a different phenomenon is at work here and that is that alex provided her with a lucrative outlet where she could be marginally famous and there was absolutely no hard work or accountability required that might feel like waking up to you but it's not it's called copping out

i stood fastly refused to believe that uh to take anyone saying that alex jones woke them up seriously when it's just a normal everyday person saying it i think it sounds a little more reasonable because alex can be persuasive and the simplicity of his worldview is seductive you can experience that is waking up but that's not really what it is it's more just being indoctrinated into a bad thinking pattern yeah cult leaders can make you believe just about anything yeah yeah and the one of the reasons is that that bad thinking pattern is satisfying it's very easy and it feels good mostly because it allows you to imagine that all the other people in the world are blind and to the obvious reality that you've woken up to and nothing is your fault no ever it's intellectual

junk food just empty calories yep for someone like milley however when i hear her say that alex woke her up there's absolutely zero chance that she isn't full of shit i just refuse to believe that anyone could work at info wars and be paying attention at all to what's said on the network without realizing that alex is just making up most of it and basically nothing is real yeah the only way you could maintain respect for alex working there is to have no principles or to basically just be sleepwalking through life and not paying attention to anything he says which i would say is the opposite of being woken up yeah that's uh that's like being put back to back to sleep isn't rocked like a little baby yeah yeah oh you don't have to worry about anything ever again just say

it's the liberals fault it's globalists this is a feel good story for milley to tell how she was a dumb liberal and tell a stupid text and yelled at her and showed her what reality really looks like but it's bullshit it's just effective at manipulating people who might be disaffected liberals or independents you know it's kind of like a right-wing propaganda version of come on in the water's fine that's uh the reason why all of these right-wing grifters magically have some form of this backstory from kandis owens to brandon straca of the walk away movement hashtag walk away they all have the same thing it's it's all because it it it's almost like giving permission to the listener to like you can do it hey i i was i was a liberal and then i was offered good money for

no work and now i'm not and you too can do that oh boy so milley is not it's not a very long speech it's uh sort of appreciative to alex or like you know celebrating alex a little bit and then she gets into a story that she i've heard her talk about before i've i find no real god did she kill a dog no okay she was covering the kentucky gubernatorial gubernatorial race and she has a conspiracy about it that i've heard her bring up a couple times and i don't find it compelling but it's interesting she says something while talking about this story in this uh speech that she should be deeply ashamed of i went forward i pushed it i told everyone what was going on but some of that information we couldn't release because in doing so we would have been releasing

information that could potentially put us in prison just like julien zange and how many journalists out there are sitting on information that they would love to release but they can't but those who were brave like julien zange those who were brave i mean even chelsea manning i mean even manning whatever you want to call them those people that were brave what look what's happening to them so like i said i i pray for julien zange great that she thinks misgendering is funny also if you listen carefully what milley weaver just did is say into a hot mic that she's a coward she's talking about some hot scoop that she had about how there was election meddling in the kentucky gubernatorial race that saw incumbent matt bevin lose his bid for reelection there's no

proof that this election was stolen but here milley is saying that she has information that would prove that it was but she can't release it because she's afraid of the consequences she's worried about what would happen to her personally if she reveals this information so she's keeping it to herself and allowing a fraudulent election to stand i don't believe her at all but if what she was saying were true she's a piece of shit what happened to the infowars model a motto of being the tip of the spear what happened to the we're the ones who hit the barbed wire talk where's that kamikaze mentality that alex screams about all the time you dare call yourself an investigative journalist and then claim that you have proof that an election was stolen but you're

not telling anyone what that proof is because you don't want the headache of what could happen to you afterwards even the dramatized imaginary version of herself that milley is presenting at this speech should be ashamed sometimes investigative journalism means uncovering things that's a risk to your comfort that's kind of just part of the gig like imagine upton sinclair discovering what he did about the u.s. meatpacking industry and then just deciding well this could lead to trouble i'm gonna keep it to myself i mean you know or imagine how many things glenn greenwald could have kept to himself yeah yeah i mean there are some things he should have but for the most part he's doing a great job no one has a perfect bad average the line of work milley

and all the info wars people pretend to be in is one that requires hard work skill and a certainty of conscience a crisis point could come at any time when you learn something that the public needs to know but revealing it could be bad to you personally and if you pursue this kind of work you need to decide well ahead of time that come what may you're serving the public interest damn the torpedoes milley's work shows that she doesn't have the skill nor does she put in the hard work that the job requires and comments like that one that she had shows that she doesn't have the constitution for it either this is embarrassing shit even in her mythologizing she's literally saying we should be grateful and proud of the people who are brave like julie nasanj and not

unlike me yeah i am very clearly a coward yes in comparison to brad to julie nasanj her speech is basically just the bottom line is i'm not cut out for this she's just saying like i suck dudes i suck right and in the meantime i'm going to insult a trans hero a fucking true god damn hero and think it's a joke that they're lying about who is doing who did everything that they pretend to have the principles necessary to do yeah they should be shamed by chelsea manning and instead they're mocking her and that's probably because they are ashamed of themselves also milley should probably feel weird about being such an advocate for matt bevin after he lost reelection he went on a bit of a pardoning spree according to npr quote in one case bevin pardoned a man convicted of

homicide that man's family raised more than 20 000 at a political fundraiser to help bevin pay off a debt owed from his 2015 gubernatorial campaign yeah another one of the people bevin pardoned was a 41 year old man who'd been convicted of raping a nine-year-old he pardoned another guy who'd killed his parents and then there was the guy he pardoned uh who was quote convicted of beheading a female and hiding her butylated body in a barrel he also pardoned a woman who'd been convicted of attempting to hire a hitman to kill her child's father and his wife and to make it look like a murder suicide interestingly that woman was a friend of bevin's uh sister who had testified in her defense during the trial overall he pardoned 428 people and mysteriously 95 percent of them were

white bevin's actions before leaving office were so shocking and offensive that even noted morally dubious character mitch mcconnell called it inappropriate matt bevin is a disgusting piece of shit but he was the candidate that trump was behind in that election so him losing must be proof of theft to an info wars employee hey look i'm not gonna part look i'm pardoning a lot of people not all good not all of it trump did say hey not all of them good what are you gonna do you're gonna get some bad apples in the i'm choosing to pardon list and sure bevin pardoned convicted murderers and pedophiles or almost all of them are whites this isn't a problem for an intrepid reporter like milley yeah and i assume plenty of them similarly

if saw money go towards bevin's i'm not sure the only specific case of that was that murderer yeah i don't i don't know if there are more instance because i think a number of the people that he did let out were people who you and i just independent of all other contexts be like yeah they shouldn't be a person okay good you know some nonviolent defendants yeah yeah you know because it's four hundred and twenty eight people some of them are like all right good good job on that one all be murder right right yeah yeah but that's what you do you pardon a whole bunch of people in order to try and mask right the campaign fundraiser who murdered a guy right jesus yeah i twenty thousand seems pretty cheap for a murder pardon like well he had a debt he

needed to pay and this uh got him out of that debt why aren't people doing this to outgoing governors just start raising money to outgoing governors to get a pardon for your loved one murdered somebody not all of them are blatantly corrupt i'm not saying all of them are but i'm sure you could find a couple sure we got bloggo here he might still pardon somebody i saw on his twitter he's uh he's getting rid of pardon yeah so milley's speech is pretty short and very embarrassing and she should uh really feel bad about it yeah yeah i doubt she will though i don't think she understands the implications of the things that she says understanding is hard so now when she's done we get a host but it's not tom papper it's rob do rob do come back it makes no sense rob do of do's

news milley weaver is proof that conservatives are way better looking than liberals that's not good i don't what what does that mean i've seen watch milley's work grow and evolve throughout the many years and one of the great collaborations uh was helping her um get rainbow snatch and birth that into being so really um if you see in her rainbow snatch videos they're off the hook strange brag wow um so now we know who to blame for that i don't understand how you can be a woman and still be there like just it's weird that even that if i were the first thing that they say the first thing is look at how good she looks right if i were if i were producing a comedy show and the host said something like that about a female comic who was on the lineup i would never get out of here

yeah i don't know if i would kick them off the show because yeah might be too you know that might be really bad for everyone involved yeah but i would be sure to never book them again in that capacity especially as a host i mean it's just inappropriate behavior yeah that's it hasn't her attractiveness or unattractiveness has nothing to do with why you're here what she's bringing to the table and her ostensible value as a person and to make it always constantly about attractiveness and sexiness is demeaning on a level it's very demeaning yeah it's and it you'll see more of it and they just keep it hey i look i know you put shit in my face for the fourth time but i swear to god one more time that is my line in the sand and i mean i think that

i think that there's an interesting conversation possibly about like it not bothering melly and that's fine she has the right to not be bothered by it right but it's still just shit behavior yeah no kidding so we get another guest here rob brings up another speaker and he has an interesting complaint about the the scammers on the right the people like ben Shapiro and steven crowder and all of them they're too successful all of our esteemed thinkers then go to college campuses and this is my favorite charade that they do uh and during the q and a at their events people like charlie kirk will destroy the 19 year old feminist lesbian willy there and claim that as like this gigantic win for conservatism it's a sad and pathetic shtick that's been done over and over

and over again by people who work in politics for a living against kids who are just developing political ideologies now i'm gonna grant the people like steven crowder ben Shapiro charlie kirk they have been way way more successful at monetizing their game of dunking on people on the street and pretending they've demonstrated a point but it should be pointed out that this is what approximately 80 percent of info wars field pieces are like that number goes up to 90 if you're just talking about oh and shroyer's work see what they're really struggling with is they haven't figured out how to edit the video to make them look good see ben Shapiro and those guys they edit the videos to make it look like they did do a good job i think some of the info wars ones

are successful in that in the editing aspect of all right but i just also think that maybe they're not as good no we've just seen too many times it's more it's more yelling yeah yeah that's it's more yelling based than ben Shapiro's like fast talking points and stuff so this guy's name is pete debrasca he was trying to run for the u.s house in north carolina but he didn't qualify for the g.o.p primary ballot the problem was that pete registered to vote as a republican at his address on december third but he filed as a candidate too quickly thereafter the north carolina g.o.p has a rule that candidates are invalid if they file to run within 90 days of registering as a republican which as far as rules go makes total sense to me why would you wouldn't want someone just

showing up and swooping in i'll register on the day of the primary even though i may not be a republican and i'll just do whatever i want yeah of course because pete is the kind of guy who'd show up at an info wars rally he's decided that he's the victim in this whole thing there we go he promised to challenge this decision of course honestly it's pathetic how these guys can't just say i wasn't aware of that rule and honestly i should have planned this out a little better could head everything in order i'll take that as a lesson i'll follow the rules next time it can't do that imagine one of these people just finally saying whoops well that's on me that's my that's on me my bad guys my bad every instance of them being incompetent is proof of a conspiracy

to keep the real conservatives down or some shit it's such a weak cowardly posture particularly coming from the people who have a habit of lecturing people about personal responsibility jared holt's headline at right wing watch really sums this up perfectly quote anti immigrant bloggers dreams of congress crushed by own incompetence according to jared's article good lead jared yeah uh pete's lawyer's argument in the appeal was quote what's the harm of putting mr pabroska on the ballot it's uh it's not good when your lawyer's best shot is basically winking and saying come on come on tubal king does that work come on his appeal was unanimously oh come on come on this guy pete is a dumb dumb but he's a dumb dumb who wants to end all immigration

and has a story about running for congress that can be spun in a way as to make him look like a victim so he gets a speaking spot at this rally those two things tend to go hand in hand yeah it was about at this point in the rally when i was watching it that i started to get a little bit depressed the audience is thin which wouldn't be a problem if they weren't for the mythology of info wars alleged popularity but then these speakers are just the worst and not in the sense that they're horrible people though they are they're just awful speakers patrick howley was trying to be funny and just whiffed melly weaver is a monotone snooze who gave a speech mostly about how she has no spine and now there's this guy up here doing whatever he's doing

so i went to the store and i got a six pack at about this point watching it really fuck this it really doesn't feel like anybody wrote their speech more than 20 minutes before they were about to go up you know what pete did he had a long he had a bunch of paper yeah he was ready i can listen to hours of info was bullshit and even some other particularly unsavory shit and just keep moving but there's such an air of sadness and incompetence surrounding this free speech summit it really bummed me out there's the illusion when you're just listening to the show that you're listening along with thousands of other people but when you see that you're at a show sparsely attended even if you're online there with only 30 people around is it's

a lot sadder yeah it's a lot sadder and that's why for the info wars feed they went into a tight shot yeah that's a smart move yeah that's a very smart move yeah and i think like when you watch the actual show it's much more of a controlled environment and a lot of those production aspects of it can be handled much more easily right right and on the fly yeah so anyway like i like i mentioned pete he's up there and he he's you know complaining about these right wing people going out and dunking on college kids and ran to people on the street not recognizing that's a essential piece of the info wars business i mean yeah it's basically what we do but he also is super anti immigrant and one of his arguments seems to be that they don't share american values and he he talks about

he uses a statistic here that i think is a real teachable moment you get thrown in jail the force of the government will be brought against you for hate speech when we are replaced by foreigners which is what is happening replaced 62 percent of hispanics actually admitted to not respecting others rights to freedom of speech so i'm looking forward to the new america i don't know about you guys uh so this dude is like he's against a legal immigration he's also against legal immigration sure does not give a fuck close the borders make it white so the pitch he's in the middle of here is trying to demonstrate that the fundamental rights that americans have are not valued by immigrants but what he's doing is actually misusing statistics there's no reason for him to cite

cite statistics about hispanic attitudes towards free speech and then apply that to immigrants he has absolutely no way of knowing what proportion of the hispanic people in that study were born in the united states or citizens or immigrated here he's just conflating hispanic with immigrant which is kind of the point for people like him non-white the conversation they're having appears to be about immigration but the very loud subtext is non-whites oh i mean we'd love if swedish people came over but that's not immigration they were born here probably or whatever also this 62 number he's citing about hispanics not respecting others rights this is an example of him not understanding the things he reads this comes from a 2017 study published by the cato institute but

the question wasn't do you respect others rights the question as posed in the study was if quote people who don't respect others don't deserve the right of free speech that's not the same question i can understand how if you're already postured to hate hispanic people and you're looking for ways to justify your feelings you could get sloppy and choose this but it doesn't work also 36 of white people answered the question the same way so wrestle with that get him out of here wrestle with that one get him out of here also this is a class probably from sweden oh no this is a classic case of cherry picking pete can take this stat misrepresent it and use it to argue that if there are more hispanic people in the country then free speech will be gone but he seems to

not want to report that in the same study 77 of hispanic people agreed that quote it would be difficult to ban hate speech since people can't agree on what hate speech is seems to indicate a reticence to actually ban this stuff and this is with a kato institute poll right god knows what the fucking bullshit they're throwing around even includes now if i wanted to i could have some fun with that study let's do it i could tell you that 44 of republicans in that study said holocaust deniers shouldn't be allowed to speak on college campuses oh no they're in trouble then also i should point out that 47 of republicans said that people who publicly criticize or disrespect the police should not be allowed to speak at college campuses so i guess you could draw the conclusion

that from that study republicans prefer holocaust denial to questioning the police the numbers on that study certainly reflect that but where does that get us really it's cherry picking numbers and connecting them where they may not be connected i mean but also that does kind of track for you emotionally sure i don't know if it's an appropriate use of the study to have i'm not making that the that's not the the lead there there's a lot of numbers in that study and you can do a lot of things with them if you want to it's usually best to know what the questions that were being asked that lead to the stat is though but expecting that of this peat guy seems like a big ask man that's that's a heartening level of response from republicans considering

they don't even know how many holocaust deniers that they support on a regular basis well this gets back to that 77 percent of people in this spain Hispanic community not wanting to ban free you know hate speech because we can't decide what it is of course there's a whole lot of people who are like what is holocaust denial yeah right yeah not good so alex seems to not be into this dude's speech it's a bit boring sure he's talking about like policy things who get out of here and alex cuts him off of course he cuts him off get the fuck out of here with your policy speeches american kids are propagandized for 18 years in government schools by the government itself to say college is the end all be all you have to go to college if you do not go to

college you will not be successful uh you will you will stay uh dumb and unenlightened like your parents are who live back home and it is absolutely terrible okay i want to i want to do that uh two two i'm almost done i promise uh it's gonna kick us out of here we got a bunch of speakers you can't get ass man i love you oh boy the audience is laughing because alex has walked up on stage of it is standing next to him ominously like you've got to get off this is that is exactly how i used to run an open mind sure you're past your five many i'm up there next to you so now alex is the host even though rob do introduce the last naturally it's incoherent it's very it's very rough but because pete was kind of droning on it was a little bit boring low energy alex realizes he's

got to win the room back over and so you know pete was talking about how evil immigration is as a whole so alex takes that theme and starts screaming about it we love people from india mexico eastern europe wherever but they're being used as a tool to destroy our american republic and so we have a right water is a wonderful thing but if a dam breaks the pleasure town it's a bad thing and so we love our fellow humans we want a promion future but we he's right the globalist are using uncontrolled immigration as a weapon as a giant sucking sound like the late great patriot from texas ross perot said to lower our wages and we see it as a weapon and we resisted so alex gets the audience back engaged with some real performative outrage you can see like him turning it on even if you're

watching the video it's all right man here's faking that i'll just i just got to snap this back into place and then we'll keep moving yep so boy he brings up another steve harvey on the feud he's like oh we just had a we just had a real bad answer i'm going to be a steve harvey real quick and we'll get this back i got a steve harvey it up exactly so alex introduces the next speaker and much like rob couldn't come on stage and after millie without saying that she was hot alex has the same instinct with this young lady the antler rain is amazing she's so smart she's bubbly she's on fire and she's running against nazi polosi yellow rain yeah get up there wow a sexy lady that's crazy thanks for being here with us so the next speaker up is diana lorraine who was

recently a guest on alex's show and we talked about her a little bit i'm not particularly interested in her since barring divine intervention we have no we'll have no idea who she is in about six months she's got this crowd excited because they're acting like she's running against nancy polosi but she hasn't even won the gop primary yet there's a decent chance she's not making that general election so this is a classic counting chicken situation yeah yeah anyway vaccine chickens yes i'm noticing a bit of a trend at this point when i'm watching it it seems like a number of these speakers are actually just hopelessly lost congressional candidates who will take whatever stage time they can get pete isn't even on the ballot and he was up there giving a stump

speech about his policy platform he's ready and now diana lorraine is here to campaign it's almost like a political sideshow where you know the people who aren't even serious enough to be at c pack are trying to pick up whatever scraps they can find and that's a real bummer to be on the sideshow when the main show involved diamond and silk carpe donkdom and rick from pond stars carpe donkdom was there sees the donk he was oh god what did he have a slideshow uh probably yeah i don't know i didn't see video of it i would assume so so diana has a bit of a stunt that she pulled that she wants to brag about that seems to be she pulled a computer chip out of a homeless guy no damn it although that does happen at the end of this

rally yes it doesn't damn it so diana gets it to talk about this stuff it's just very sad so what i did in response to that that bitch move of hers excuse my language but we're allowed to have spree speech is i flew a plane around san francisco that said pelosi for prison because we need to have her accountable for her crimes against america and it is thank you it's the most liberal district of america and people said oh no don't fly a plane around that says pelosi for prison that's not something you should do so diana is asserting here that san francisco is the most liberal district in the united states and first of all san francisco is not a district she's talking about california's 12th congressional district which doesn't actually even contain all of san

francisco some of southern san francisco is in the 14th district also california's 12th is not the most liberal district in the country this measurement is captured by the cook political reports partisan voter index or the pvi since it started in 1997 the pvi is considered one of the most solid tools in terms of uh understanding partisan leanings broken down on a granular level in every conga congressional district california's 12th district has a democrat plus 37 pvi which is a strong leaning democrat district for sure there's no arguing with that however you don't have to look very far to find a stronger leaning district because california's 13th as a pvi of democrat plus 40 the district of columbia has democrat plus 43 illinois 7th has democrat plus 38

new york's fifth is it plus 37 the 7th is plus 38 and the 13th is plus 43 pennsylvania's second district is democrat plus 40 and the actually the most liberal district in the country is new york's 15th coming in at plus 44 and no that is not where alexandra ocasio-cortez got elected she's from the 14th district which is only democrat plus 29 san francisco isn't the most liberal district in the country but it feels like it to these sort of hardcore conservatives because the city and the surrounding area played such an important role in the activism in the 60s and the civil rights movement this lingers to this day and it makes san francisco a cultural villain to conservatives so it feels like the most liberal district but it's not and honestly

this feels more like diana giving herself excuses for why she's inevitably going to lose this election hopefully not in the g.o.p primary though hard to argue the liberal district excuse there yeah that one's trouble i would assume that people were advising her not to rent out a plane not because the district's too liberal but because her candidacy is a farce and it seems like a waste of money and i mean not just that but you know like come up with an original idea lady oh you did the fifth blank hello super yeah we're what are we not going to put in prison hey man don't if it's not broke don't fix it just put liberals for prison in there that's great want yeah so here's the thing though all you liberals go to prison here's the thing though you fly

that plane around it's going to cause a response and diana has proof of this look at that look at that asshole plane up there i'm going to tell you in advance i don't believe this is real okay i'm just i hope this is okay but i'm going to play a little 20 second voicemail from someone that uh that saw my Pelosi for prison banner in the air in san francisco i'm just going to play a quick clip why don't you call and this is what he said and i just wanted to say thank you and say fuck you and i can't believe that we have fascists who are trying to run for office locally please report to jail immediately or if you keep on going where you're going maybe you'll end up in a death camp that's the way where we're going so bravo to you shall we get make make your racist

america make your racist america great again make your rapist america so these are the people that were up against you guys the we're at war and we need to fight we need to fight these are the real fascists i don't believe for a second that that's a real voicemail that someone just saw her plane get the fuck out of here's a couple reasons why the first is that that voicemail started with the guy saying i got your text message what seems weird i don't know she texted him about how did you see the she texted everybody did you see the plane that i flew why is diana texting with the guy who's allegedly leaving a random voicemail after seeing her Pelosi plane that makes no sense now second the idea that someone who doesn't like uh her Pelosi plane would call her and say that she's

going to death camps because that's where we're going that's absurd the first problem is uh with this is that the whole death camps thing that's primarily an obsession of the right people like alex and diana alex has been yelling about fema camps being right around the corner for over a decade and in that time i've never heard any of his enemies really suggest that they were interested in putting people in camp oh yeah liberals are always putting people in death camp stan the angry democrat who threatens to put you in a camp because you're a conservative is a conservative boogie man not a real thing but more importantly she's fucking up the whole game here the death camps and shit are supposed to be being pushed by people who are super far to the left the socialists

and communists and whatnot that's where the fear narrative is supposed to live the people who are supposed to want to make those camps are also the people on the left who don't really like Nancy Pelosi that much the idea that you're going to offend a leftist by bashing Pelosi is laughable they may vote for her over a wing ding like diana whoever beats diana in the GOP primary but this is a little bit much yeah i have literally zero doubt that diana had someone record that for her so she could play it and show how much her plane is pissing off the dems that's the only currency these idiots have the notion that their ideas and actions have value because they make their political opposition angry it's honestly super sad yeah also i saw a picture of the banner that

she flew and it doesn't have a phone number on it interestingly the image she has on her campaign website of the plane with a banner behind it is one a hundred percent a shitty photoshop job great it's embarrassingly clunky like it's a banner flying behind an airplane it has perfectly right angles on it oh it's directed exactly at the camera it has no shadows or wrinkles or anything great it's very very sad great stuff diana posted a picture of the banner with the caption quote it's raining liberal tears in san francisco right now just sad man i have no other words for how lame and desperate that whole thing is but she did actually fly it because i did see pictures elsewhere of the banner yeah but of course it's like folded over itself yeah as any banner it's a banner yeah

and so i think that she saw that and was like that doesn't look good on my on my website i'm in a photoshop i can't take a picture that says poli for sun you can still read it it just doesn't look smooth yeah so desperate god that's sad very sad listen to that voicemail too that is not somebody who's angry nope that is someone reading a script yeah exactly that's somebody being like okay and then you are a fascist and so we are going to keep going on that you're a fascist right going to a death camp check that box next oh death camp all right you're a bad person anyways see you brunch tomorrow bye so she's done we get another speaker that alex is now taken over as just the host i guess of course because he comes up and he's a megalomania he's got you bet sooner or later

but hey we're here in rake hey get up here and kick their ass and we're for drinks in i can feel so strong this guy right here we got some secret measures we're developing this guy right now and we're six drinks get ready boom yeah it should be pointing at alex is clearly pretty drunk by this point yeah it gets way worse later but yeah it's this is where it's really showing yeah so the next speaker is in rike tario the head of the proud boys the mind reels at what sort of secret missions alex is referring to that he has planned with them it could either be not masturbating naming a bunch of cereals or elaborate plots to spring roger stone from prison sure who knows it could be any of those things or they could just terrorize

a non-white person could be it's a good day but beyond that tario is another hopelessly doomed aspiring congressional candidate he's running for a house seat in florida and there's no chance in hell he's winning and i doubt he's even going to win the primary yeah as we know without stone in florida you got no chance this event for all its pretense of being a free speech summit really just feels like a rally for xenophobic extreme right-wing candidates who aren't even actually candidates yet i promise we're not the kkk i promise we're not the k the vibe is grim yeah the room is still not full and the more kick sodic congressional candidates they have coming and giving speeches the more it feels like people desperately trying to assert their relevance to a bunch of

empty chairs i don't know how else to put it but this is a bummer not because of the kind of evil that it pretends yeah like trump's rallies are a bummer because they're scary yeah this is a bummer because it's a bummer it's a sad sad sad sad world yes definitely i i think it's they have to be like it has to start dawning on these right-wing grifters that they got pushed out by their own grift yes you know like c pack used to be for normal people and then they got their own big place where they got to be conspiracy crazies and now c pack is the conspiracy crazies they're stealing their conspiracy crazies so they're going to a shitty spirit conspiracy crazy there's a divergence in the road of like what is okay uh grifter crazy yeah and what is not and

alex and all of these people are decidedly on the side of we might use you if we need right right but we are never going to let you at the table right people like james oakief and kandis owens and charlie kirk shake our speakers headlining feature speakers at c pack yeah these people are in a quarter full ballroom but they had to rent out themselves and they're sad yeah i feel like this is like walmart moved in on the conspiracy grifter and pushed all these mom and pop conspiracy grifters into the nazi territory hey i mean look that's a little bit of a simple analogy but there might be something behind it weird phrase okay all right well thank you i could have just said interesting thought so enrique starts bragging about all the things that he's banned from which

seems to be a theme like some of these people who are actually kicked off a bunch of stuff like it seems like they're really into talking about how many things they're banned from because that gives them some kind of a capital i'm agreed yeah yeah just a couple miles away from here i'm banned on from going to c pack c pack good i can't go in there i'm banned off of here we go i got a list and i got a i actually have to scroll through it so i've been banned off facebook 19 times instagram four times twitter 19 times paypal airbnb alex i can't keep going with my list right here bro alex is pretty drunk alex i can't keep doing my list if you're gonna interrupt me yeah so alex starts yet being boring no i think i

enrique is i mean look dude the in terms of reception from the audience it's it's catches catch can it's dire but enrique out it isn't as poorly received as let's say that first guy with the bad comedy okay or pete diabrusco with his boring has good xenophobic policy papers yeah enrique is doing okay and that that is one of those situations where alex has now gotten to the point of drunk where he's trying to help from the audience as opposed to like with pappard he was disrupting yeah so now alex gets both types of heckler that are great wonderful alex gets up and like i i have in my notes here he's problem drunk now the last stage is a gulag and they're doing that to roger stone right now it's not about silencing us it's not about taking our finances

it's about putting us in jail they want us hung and they want us dead and then to that this is uh this is iffy so so now we're at the point where they're screaming about how they're gonna kill us this is a jeff don't i'm sure now this is a mass treliquism the tone has really taken a like we're all fucked they're gonna kill us we're gonna kill them so enrique you know not only is the message that they want to put us in a gulag and they want to kill us they want to murder us you can't trust the people in this room evil wants to go ahead and take over this country we call it socialism we call it communism it's satanism it's evil sure and it's it it's here it's what we do it's here love it and to be honest it's probably in this room

probably somebody infiltrated in here and by the end of this evening what we have today just enjoy your goddamn rally stop it with this making everybody scared of everything i i have gathered you all tonight to slowly reveal who did the crime the doors are locked yeah exactly we're gonna fight the fb i snitch this is a murder mystery now i wish you would god damn it i wish just turned into so fun alex jones is wearing a liar and then they all start running from room lights out oh god a drawing room farce would be perfect damn it i wish that would happen it has all the potential of it oh absolutely you've got you got enrique up here like white you don't need to cast

suspicions on the fucking weirdos who have come to your it's you yeah very dumb so he gets done with his paranoia inducing speech and alex comes up to introduce the next speaker and boy he is he's having a good time how's alex doing he's having a good time he's having a good time i'll tell you what they fear the past already been laid out 1776 worldwide is the answer and we're going to do it and and the worst things get the more people are going to understand it all right leah stranahan is an investigative journalist he's worked for all the big leftist publications uh that are out there he's worked for breitbart he's worked for them all so leah stranahan is the next speaker and finally we have someone who's not running a doomed congressional

campaign so that's nice his speech seems to mostly be about uh the ukraine whistleblower and how much he wants the crowd to keep chanting his uh supposed name sure i tried to follow uh his point and his speech but i also found myself not very interested it seems like his point may have been to be wary of the c i a and if that's what he's getting at point taken good for you sure on board they're evil more important thing here is uh you got a note is alex is problematically drunk now oh man he just he's snarling and he called breitbart a leftist publication he did a little rosemary he did a little yeah this is where i started to get worried and the vibe started to transform from this event is really sad to uh oh this might get

interesting it's going to explode this could be a bad all right how far into this our way what how far into the event are we maybe an hour how long is it supposed to go i don't know how long it's supposed to go but it ends up going three hours okay all right all right okay so uh you know lee is giving his speech and it's really just along the lines like i said he keeps getting the crowd to chant the whistleblower's name sure sure and it's not a very long speech but he gets interrupted by rob do in the middle of it mic down for this because where alex takes this is absurd well you know what i didn't remind you know what i was just told i was just told that these strings might get banned for that word you were saying really oh eric siramella

is it might just you might ban but they won't ban them on band dive video and that's where we're going to put this up later tonight so f the system and f their citizenship yeah the judge in the stone show trial says don't say the names of the jurors even though their federal law is supposed to be public because she rigged them all and the democratic party operatives and they're panicking right now and we put out the names of the jurors and now she's burning it out burn in hell because her threats were cold we called them and now that amy burman jackson burns in hell let me just say this is a speaker it is hard to follow alex jones all right i understand that alex is pretty drunk by this point and he's completely lost his ability to control himself but if i had

no idea what was going on and had no access to context i would think this was a man celebrating after murdering a judge did they kill amy burman jackson when we were looking people don't typically burn in hell while they're still alive so that seems like a strange thing to yell about oh man also rob do is the saddest little boy here scampering up to the mic to tell you know try to get the audience excited about how dangerous it is to say this whistleblower's name they're fucking out there man whoa whoa they are not fucking out there they are f-ing out there dad sorry let's recall that he specifically did not use the word fuck in their free speech conference it's such a fetishization of manufactured and imagined persecution yeah like this is the dizzy end result of alex's horribly

misguided philosophy that you know that you're right when you're getting attacked which he even expressed at the beginning of his speech like at the at the start if you internalize that belief then you'll interpret attacks as being proof that you're right which gives you the validation and a bit of a dopamine rush from like yeah we're doing it but what happens when you're not getting attacked and your very sad free speech summit is just happening and no one cares well then you might just need to interrupt lee strannahan to pretend that you just might get attacked at some point which would then prove that you're right and give you the validation you so desperately crave tying your value to how negatively people respond to you is a very sad game and it runs so consistently

through these people from rob's interjection here to diana's clearly fake voicemail they're like addicts just needing that rush what if we turn to oppositional defiance disorder into a movement right yeah so alex is maybe killed amy berman jackson which is tough news to be determined yeah i have not checked on her recently so weird that is a weird thing to say lee strannahan also you'll you see there the cop out of it's hard to follow alex this guy's shit faced guys i mean well it's hard to follow it's a trend that when alex interrupts people that they're like how it can't follow alex it's a surrender yeah lee strannahan's pretty high status though like in general because he has a resume to him he's an actual reporter and i don't think he cares too much about this yeah

and keeps his speech short he's prepared and so he can deflect and move along but still that hurts him the alex interrupting and yelling about amy berman jackson being in hell and his only response being like how do you follow this alex is right he's out there it's surrender yay so he finishes of his speech alex is still being the host and he seems to have forgotten who's coming up next i got my nose over i'm getting my size here okay all right we're having a good night tonight and defiance their chair and it's amazing thanks for coming out i love it whoa let's go ahead and bring up former head of the nsa's technical operations unit frequent guest to show bill benny we wanted to come he couldn't come he's working on a big project so he said have tommy

collins my partner on who's working with me on major operations so i've never met tommy collins but i'm excited to have them on so tommy come on up here thank you so much this show needs a producer's touch because it's sloppy as fuck i know that alex is drunken he's a force of nature so no amount of production is really going to help with that but there are little things that could have gone a long way in terms of making this not seem like a ridiculous amateur spectacle for one you could have had the speaker's list up there like taped to the podium so alex couldn't accidentally forget it and have to walk through the crowd to grab it because he has no idea who's coming up next another thing that might have been good is having alex meet the people he's going to introduce

prior to introducing them alex legitimately has no idea if tommy is a man or a woman and yet here he is presenting her as an expert because william binney didn't want to show up tommy collins runs a group called america restored i admit that i don't know what that group is all about but i did check out their facebook page oh what's that they have a facebook page look at that another person at this gala who hasn't been kicked off social media crazy conservative they'll get to him sure on february 26th 2020 i'm dan this is 2020 god damn it america restored posted a link to an article with the headline quote donald trump tours chem trail plane promises to terminate program this was such a blatant piece of bullshit from some dumb blog though they used a picture of the

mbc news logo on it to imply credibility uh it was so flagrant that even the commenters had to point out that this was a fake story as of february 29th uh this post is still up on their page how many likes i don't know okay from their about page it's pretty clear that they're a christian fundamentalist outlet pushing for what you might describe as either christian led nation or theocracy depending on your point of view i don't really care too much about this stuff because honestly i looked at it and i i think from some of the metrics it's pretty clear that a lot of the members of her group are bots yeah that's probably true anyway i guess that maybe tommy works with william binny on some stuff which seems completely nuts to me that's normal he's supposed

to be the former technical head of the nsa and she runs a weird conservative christian organization the post's obviously fake things on facebook well she has a part-time job as a pa what a tag team yeah yeah so tommy gets up and she her speech is obviously about william binny because that's what everyone cares yeah about and i would say if you listen carefully i don't think she has a handle on the details of the things that bill does bill if you guys don't know who he is bill binny and most people do but i'll give you a little rundown bill binny is the man that's responsible for building out about two-thirds of the modern-day nsa and he left in the don't early 2000s and when he left there they're still using the um i shouldn't say i'm here i there

he they're still using he they're still using the stuff that he had originally developed it's powerful um bill has been continuing to work on things his stuff was so innovative at that time they've never been able to get better so that's that's pretty powerful doesn't sound true so if you're keeping track bill made some stuff that's really powerful for the nsa and has continued to work on things you make stuff that's really good stuff these things are powerful important things you know jordan sometimes i'll be working on some things and i'll think this is some good stuff man i just don't know how to improve on some of the things involved in this stuff you wrote a better speech than most everybody there it's ridiculous what are you talking about and there

is she's talking about stuff at the end of the the national stuff agency this is a person with legitimately no information and i honestly kind of wonder if she's even there at the request of william binny most of her speech is pushing the conspiracy that the goose of her hack couldn't have been done remotely over the internet which is a position that william binny has definitely advanced but he also recanted it in 2018 when duncan camble demonstrated to him that the metadata that he'd used to arrive at that conclusion had been manipulated i honestly have no idea what's going on here but i don't exclude the possibility that william binny has nothing to do with her speech in the present day the only connection between tommy and binny that i can find online is

from 2018 an interview that she did with him yeah it was prior to the point where binny walked back the goose of her theories yeah i have no idea what's going on here and like this is booking that i would have avoided if i were in for wars it raises more questions than answers that it provides and it just looks amateurish this lineup is already overbooked there's no need for this this is not bringing anything to the table oh yeah i i walked in i don't should it was a good day so now i'm talking here so the reason that she's there and the reason that she got on stage honestly is that she promised information and an announcement that bill binny's been working on okay so they think they're going to break some big news right

and that apparently is that bill's been working on things and she gets into it here in this uh this next clip that's what bill's stuff did it picked needles out of haystack it was proven that bill would have actually discovered 9 11 before it happened bill's forte is bulk data his forte is more data meaning not forte unparalleled nothing out there like it it's never been reinvented the nsa has never been able to get better bill's the bomb he has technology that's never been recreated right and tell now you guys we are right now bill up to this date has never ever even asked for money for a speaking engagement oh no he never wanted anyone to ever accuse him is she selling food buckets yeah he never wrote a book he never got money on the movie

nothing he you know what so listen to this you guys i told i that's why bill's on board with a non-for-profit because this is what we're going to do we're going to build out bill's technology right now and we need every freedom love an american to get on board we're going to make some things even i was caught a little bit off guard when this turned into a situation where tom he's asking for money to make this super powerful technology the bill has in his head that could have stopped 9 11 did not see that coming it was a swerve that was that was a swing a couple of quick points about this one you don't need bill's tech to have predicted 9 11 considering almost all of alex's credibility is based on him claiming to have done just that yeah

save some money you just write down the things alex says second william bitty worked with the nsa on 9 11 in fact he retired in october 2001 suspiciously basically immediately after 9 11 i can't imagine that a room full of like 60 people are going to raise funds to provide bitty with some kind of miracle technology he can use to stop future terrorist attacks considering he was literally at the nsa in a position to use all of his genius at the time when the worst terrorist attack on us soil actually did happen right now he what you're missing is he actually created mark walberg who would have stopped 9 11 maybe if he was there this is all a goddamn hustle and it's sad on the one

hand but on the other hand i get a pretty big charge out of how little response tommy god after yelling until now she really thought that was going to land like a shock wave through the crowd but it just died i was very funny i was very funny i felt that pain when a punch line just misses entirely like you know granted in those situations i was just trying to get a laugh not raise funds for an imaginary splinter high tech intelligence operation right in a half filled room full of crypto fascist sure i imagine that feels worse i you know what i can't imagine the feeling yeah because there's a certain amount of in my head if i were there i'd be like if i say something wrong are they going to eat me are they going to kill me am i going to get eaten alive here

nah you're fine you just get off you just get rushed off stage because once it becomes clear that she's trying to raise money alex yeah puts an end to that pretty quick but he still has to you know promote bill benny because he still needs him as a expert on stuff of course and so alex builds up benny's the i don't know backstory admittedly in us history george washington was great the code it codes william benny is like a savant george washington was great at codes and he created a whole modern s a and then when he exposed the corruption they went after him and and tried to kill him he doesn't make a big deal about if they poisoned him at the senate lunch here he lost his legs he's a real patriot he didn't lose his legs because the globalist

poisoned him he has diabetes he well there's that yeah they they poisoned him with sugar dan nice spin so alex starts rambling about bill benny's technology and i think that this clip is actually like a really amazing uh little demonstration of alex not knowing what he's about to say when he starts a sentence yeah but mike down for this because i like you gotta follow this track and that's what people have gone through to bring you this level of information and we're talking about 3d imaging digital quantum computing mapping and literally being able to judge pre-crime the system didn't want to use that i'm not even sure i'm for that actually but they wanted it all to continue they used the computers to continue the crime and to

continue the criminality so you see what happened there is that alex got caught up in rambling about how bill benny had this amazing technology he created that the globalists didn't want him to use it was 3d imaging and all that so sophisticated you could detect crimes before they happen as alex is talking he realizes that he's describing something he categorically has to be opposed to it's archetypal dystopian fiction stuff it is literally the government watching you all the time so he expresses doubt that he'd be in favor of it and then does a little sleight of hand where he completely flips the whole story that's why they tried to continue it and he stopped it even though he invented it that that's only because he was

going to stop 9 11 but then he had to retire as soon as he realizes that he needs to be against this minority report technology he's pretending bini made he knows that the globalists now have to be in favor of it so he proceeds as if he didn't say that they were trying to stop bini like 10 seconds prior and nothing alex says means anything he's just making all this yeah don't worry about it yeah so in this next clip we get another introduction it's a info wars stalwart we get overbooked it's very this is over we're not even close to that can't be real next speaker coming up he's destroyed cucks oh god and one and only bearded oh and shroy god damn it oh and shroyer come on here really destroyer come on remember we're winning the globalists are losing

and judge amy berman jackson is getting ready for a prison cell it's always a good thing it's going to be part of victory believe me we're winning all right all right all right all right all right there's a very interesting dynamic at play at this free speech summit one thing is that oan isn't drinking and he has a consistent motivation so he comes off as a level headed dude by comparison to the painfully drunk alex and the grab bag of losers who has spoken so far this might be my Somali pirates moment but you kind of have to give it up to oan for keeping his wits about him when he could have just got wasted and had a good time yeah the second dynamic here that is important to point out is that by this point the room is filled out a

little bit it's still mostly empty but what's happened is that at least by the point when like least ran a hand was on stage nick fuentes his fans showed up oh no the groipers are there and they make up a significant portion of the crowd and they like oan okay we've only talked about nick fuentes showing up on alex's show in the past but he's been a guest with oan a couple times too i've mentioned this a number of times that the younger more online radical types are more likely to show up on oan's show and nick is a prime example of that alex is a bit of an embarrassing old man for them they'd be happy to utilize his platform to disseminate their views but privately they're also probably doing impressions of him and mocking him about gay frogs and stuff yeah oan is cooler

his identity is mostly to them okay that's fair that's fair his identity is mostly caught up in the cuck destroyer imagery and his public existence doesn't have the same baggage that alex does he's only really been on info wars for a few years and most of that time his coverage has mostly been the anti sjw stuff and acting like a big boy plus working in his favor is the fact that no one watches his show so they don't realize how bad it is yeah yeah yeah you can hear from that much larger ovation that oan got when he came to the stage that the mood in the room has shifted a little and that's because the fuentes fans are there and someone they like has taken the stage it's very strange to see high status shroyer but i have to say that seeing him here showed me a whole new

side of him it's entirely possible that i'm just being blinded by the staggering incompetence that surrounds him but he's showing a confident in charge presence and that's pretty weird i don't like it i don't like the i don't like the way people are clapping for him i don't like him coming up like i come on come on no i can see it in my head him walking up to the podium and be like all right all right i know you love me guys no i know i'm a star thank you i don't i don't like it at all well if it makes you feel any better they don't like him enough to laugh at a bad joke okay good but i uh another indication is so i was live all day from c pack i saw a lot of you there i didn't even have time to eat or shower i go back to my hotel i changed and i show up today

and i realized i forgot my belt so please nobody tell roger stone that didn't land oh that did not land as well as i think he had hoped so all in good the right's getting too good at comedy dan yeah too good at all told me about that did you hear that did you hear that other man they say oh boy adrenochrome um so owin gets talking about why he likes working at info wars and i think like i i think that i'm lazy yeah i don't really like planned speaking events because i'd rather speak from the heart and i feel like there's some sort of pressure to prepare something when you come up here but yeah that's why i like info wars so much and there's no other platform like it and alex has left the building it's

kind of like austin powers like where's my father like oh no oh alex you left me uh no but seriously i can't thank alex enough for building the platform because there is no other platform that would allow me to do what i do totally i think that's accurate yeah yeah yeah i don't like preparing much and invoars doesn't have any standards on that right so it's a perfect fit yeah that is you are correct yeah i can't dispute any of the like factual statements he's making it just i don't think there's any virtue in it no he's right he's right if you want to if you want a job where you it's like people watch talented performers and they're like look at how effortless this is i shouldn't have to do any work right and they don't realize how much effort it takes to get to the

point where it looks like you're not trying exactly it's so much work yep you learned that by trying yeah you gotta stop doing that you can get a good job at info wars uh huh so in there you're here at oh and razzing uh alex about not being in the room haha and he's i think he's a little bit hurt by that actually he's making a joke about it and that's that's all good that's all good but um i he brings it back up at the end of his speech it's so funny and then this is where things get buck wild uh nick fuentes is coming up next there's alex hey alex thanks for missing my speech man really meant a lot really meant a lot man no seriously alex i was i was thanking you and i wanted to make sure you were here to introduce nick fuentes but you guys really are the revolution you really

are before we do nick fuentes we are iranian green beret patriot and this is what it's like to work in for wars ladies and gentlemen come on let's put him up don't beat me up and we've got we got general flinn's son here tonight so he should come up here and speak so if you recall alex met ivan rakeland the last time he rented out the dc press club and did a big press event about how he wasn't on social media iven was there said hi to alex and ended up giving a speech i suspect part of the reason they became fast friends is that iven is an associate of the flinn family and alex wanted any kind of access he could get right i even tried to run in the 2018 senate race in virginia but was disqualified from the ballot because of invalid signatures but as best as i

can tell he's not in a doomed congressional candidate situation in this cycle currently so that means he's probably just here to talk shit and mike flinn jr is a guaranteed pass to get on stage this is surreal stuff this this is like i i got a very visceral reaction with oh and i totally get that that reminds me such of what i was a baby this is what it's like to work it in for war no no no the like oh you weren't there for my my whole speech oh that's such like when i was a baby comic it opened my like when the guy you want to impress is left a friend of the show now marty but when i was like a year in and marty was a headlining at some middle of the nowhere show in fucking like bridgeport or whatever not bridgeport barrington and it's like he walked out

of the room during my feature set and i was just like oh no my hero doesn't like me it hurts but you realize sometimes people have seen you already he got shit faced and ran up on stage and kicked me up so it was it was very similar exactly like it working at it for he said that mike flinn jr's yeah great so alex really wants mike flinn jr to come on stage and give a speech and so when he's bringing ivan on stage yeah he explicitly asks and here is ivans response hey ivan great patriot u s army officer lawyer divisive health agency formally bring up bring let's get general flinn son up here get him on you said he was go ahead you're on air i said no you're on air all right so who's out here who's motivated today so he said i said no yeah and

you're right there with the uh you're on air yeah alex well thinks it's uh he's totally doing the show this is the show he's in full on we're doing the show he is drunk and he thinks this is his studio it's very weird so i was like what the fuck is going on like ivan yeah ivan ends up spending about three minutes talking about like i don't know why i'm up here i don't have anything to prepared and he's just kind of weird he i don't know what the vibe is but then it becomes really clear what he's doing here and then everything explodes okay this is uh this is a ride all right big tech takedown that's 2020 how are we gonna do that well self plug i'm part of the company called yippie it's a search engine take a look anybody use it yippie dot com safe secure search

so here we have uh it becomes clear why ivan's coming to give a speech trying to you know fundraise from this uh this group and much like when tommy collins got into it being like this being a fundraising thing yeah alex pretty quickly gets up on stage here to uh to cut this off big tech hey i like general flint sonny should get up here and talk good job all right all right ivan rakeland on twitter big trouble maker right here all right america is awake that's what's happening now get ready for it hey do you want to speak general flint son yes general flint son yes we're talking online god bless you brother tell folks who you are and speak go ahead and do it all right folks so there's so much going on in that clip that's not good you've got this ivan rakeland falling for

the same foolish perception that tommy collins had where they think this is shark tank yeah and they're gonna fundraise from this beleaguered audience and then i think alex sensed that this speech that ivan was given was going nowhere and that he's going into business for himself so all bets are off ivan's already said no to alex's request for flint to speak but ivan's being a dick so alex forces the issue ivan leaves stage and alex begins doing some pump up stuff america's back but unbeknownst to him mike flint jr has come on stage behind him alex and mike greet each other and alex fumbles that oh we talked online um before this becomes his big victory he's now got mike flint jr giving the speech in his rally okay it's very weird what the fuck is about to happen

not that it's not actually as exciting as god damn it he he the fact that he's there told him to get on stage and mike flint isn't mike flint jr isn't coming out with most of the speech is just about how his dad's innocent and it's about what yeah but it's not like your dad did that there's not much firework to it except for what alex does right because alex is fucking wasted oh so funny so flint starts talking about how this russia gate thing's been real hard um and so here's your dad did that shit dude wow i can tell you that you know i kind of describe what's what's been going on with uh with my family and everything else that's that's happened with all this uh you know russia gate shit and and it's it's like kind of like a this this long boxing match we're kind of

in the 15th round now we feel like things are kind of kind of winding down and um i have a really difficult time with this situation because on the one hand mike flint jr is a dumb dumb and he's definitely a willowful actor spreading conspiracy shit and misinformation online oh yeah but on the other hand i don't want to shit on him too hard when he's talking about how this you know the effect this investigation has had on his family because on some level that still feels like it would be shitty like his mother as far as i know wasn't involved in any of this right it's sad for her if only that you know like however however you find some sort of empathy it's important to hold on to some of yeah yeah and there are people involved in that family that are having to suffer

consequences because of these people's actions now granted that's the same for all sorts of people who are related to criminals right but you know it's tough it's tough i don't want to i don't want to punch too much i uh you know you're right it's hard fuck mike flint true the end so anyway i just pulled this clip because there's no boxing match in the present day that will ever be in the 15th round professional boxing limits fight to her petty that is petty maybe that one is petty professional boxing limits fights to 12 rounds and they made that limit specifically was in 1982 ray mancini fought duck ku kim in a match that went to the 15th round which resulted in kim collapsing into a coma immediately after the fight getting emergency brain surgery and dying four

days later mike flint jr was like one year old when that happened so his whole life boxing matches have been 12 rounds that he was he was he was referencing the old days 1920 queens rules when you had fight until one guy fell to the ground 120 rounds in the last multiple days he was never alive or always fight so anyway i just yeah sure whatever petty yeah anyway flint talks about how his dad's innocent and alex can't control himself he has to jump on stage of course and look i'm not up here i'm not up up here you know looking for sympathy i'm just i'm just letting you know that i mean this is the truth this is what happened my you know my my my father's not guilty of anything i think i think i think everybody who knows that and that's also not true so look at look

last last thing i'll say last thing i'll say is that the the the the story general so it's so complex i want you to keep going for another 20 minutes we got plenty of time like an hour of question answer talk about your father as a patriot and what you guys went through and the vindication now that the whole lie is coming down and roger's telling me just tell him what happened tell him in five minutes what happened what you guys went through as american patriots yeah this tells me that alex has tried to get mike flinn on his show and he said no this is his opportunity to interview him and the speech that flinn jr is given is not going the direction necessarily that alex wants it to it's not sensational enough and so he's trying to direct it

he pops up on stage and he says that then flinn starts trying to answer that question and it's not going well enough so alex has to interject from the crowd you know all the sudden this stuff you know kind of came down with with having to you know hire lawyers and and uh why they go after your father talking about wanting to interview you yeah well i mean we're on his show why they go after your father tells you they went out the the deep state went out of my father because he was outspoken on a number of things the the main thing was obama's signature foreign policy which was which was which was the uh the iran deal i mean the iran deal and i'm not an expert on iran but but i can tell you that the iran deal was was a big thing that he was uh you know that he was uh

that he was highly against and there's a lot of people in major major critic of that alex cannot handle man this like he's like i got a micromanage i got to direct this this is this is big people are going to be talking about this i need it to go the way i need it to go and unfortunately also i don't know if you can pick this up from the audio but there's a lot of people talking in the room and we know from doing shows that there's ways to deal with that and then there's ways to deal with that oh no alex has one strategy oh no uh you know a big advocate and and obviously very very uh very very outspoken for us and you know that's yeah deal after all the persecution you've gone through to come here and speak on these live feeds out here what but let's get back

to the beginning the few minutes we have left i appreciate you coming here today and your courage to do it because i know you've been you're family and persecuted i've been persecuted we know what's like we get persecuted because we support america we realize that persecution is actually a blessing and we don't see ourselves as victims some people listen to this guy's is saying because his dad just like roger stone and just like some other people they've tried to put his father in prison they try to hold years in prison and bankrupting them to lie about president trump and lie about the populist election we had so i hear a lot of talk i love you guys just for respect everybody just stop talking for one second just just one second one second just one

second in your lives his father wanted to serve america and try to defend our republic and because doesn't make him a good speaker dude they targeted him because he wanted to put in the trump administration patriots that would promote freedom worldwide they were scared of the army that george washin founded 245 years ago finally getting control of the government again from these communists and these globalists and then they launched every attack they had so i think anybody who's produced a comedy show can relate to that moment alex just had like you're trying to run a show and there's some people who won't stop talking in the back of the room maybe it's bar patrons or maybe it's other comics that you booked but you need them to shut up

you have a headliner who's dropped in who's been on television and this it's maker break time you need this to go well so you panic a little bit it's too late at this point to have produced a better show so a lot of the things you just have to accept sure you could have seated people better sure you could have not had an open bar sure you could have not spent so much time with that open bar yourself sure you could have just not let any dumb dumb running for congress do 15 minutes but it's too late for that now it is you need to fix this now and the only way to do that is to yell at people to shut up that's very relatable to me yeah i don't think i've ever done that myself but i've come close and i've definitely seen hosts use that move a bunch yeah it never

works hey everybody we got a really good show going on right could you guys just please be quiet can you please turn off the tv's not gonna work yeah it works for a minute but then it just people just start talking yeah it never because you haven't shown them why they need to pay attention you just scolded them yep now where this stops being relatable is that part at the end there where alex almost starts crying about general flinn it's not surprising for alex to get emotional talking about america but what i was shocked to hear is uh him saying that what he is that what the globalists were afraid of was that general flinn was trying to get the military to be in charge of the government is that what alex has wanted this whole time of course

because if i'm not much mistaken he was super anti-military until at least around like 2009 hey whoa if i'm not mistaken alex's entire brand was warning about the coming martial law in militarized state it seems like everything he stood for since at least 1995 has been strongly emphatically opposed to the idea of the military being in control of the state but here he is crying on stage with mike flinn's son about how the globalist jammed up his dad because he was going to bring the military back in charge seems fucked up mike flinn's son who already said no to speaking at this yeah at least once maybe twice was not enjoying speaking at this uh was clearly not being paid attention to at this and then was suddenly and loudly interrupted for this by

and then continually asked questions and interrupted by the very host that you are talking to who is now kicked you off the microphone and is standing right next to you screaming about how he loves george washington and about how it's a good show and about how your dad was trying to get the military and control of the government which seems like maybe i don't want that maybe in the in the world of improv i don't want you to pimp me into that yeah i don't want that to be the reality we all have to accept i'm gonna have to know but this one i'm gonna have to know about this one i'm sorry it's very weird yeah i feel like that's a bad day that kind of phrasing is really weird and very counter to all the things that alex seems to be against obama with black the end so i i think

it's really upsetting too because it's accompanied by this demonstration of what seems like pretty sincere drunk emotions like obviously he's hamming it up a little bit for flinn jr but i i was watching it seems fairly visceral george was such a good coder he was so good he made windows 1795 it's it's very strange so i love a alex starts having what i describe as a bit of a breakdown and uh as i was watching this i got the sense that maybe this is too weird for flinn jr okay oh right now yeah we have this credited obama we have this credited hillary we have restored my is on hold on the chai comes america has had a great victory but america doesn't have a media to tell you the victory you've had sure so general flinn faces fake sentencing and i say like i've told roger stone

call their bluff because we've done nothing wrong we're good people so general flinn son oh god bless are you though doesn't say his name ever you said general flinn son yeah that is funny now you're this good person we can't remember his name we know your father's good you know get attacked by cnn and msnbc and abc if you're evil oh then bernie's great then when you're good wow you know that and america is rising now and the enemy knows it so hey cut go finish up talk about your i'm stronger than ever go be strong yeah tell them the truth close all right i mean the last the last thing i'll say is is uh that you know we still have a fight in front of us i i i think i mean i don't know i don't want to assume too much but if you're mike flinn jr you probably got to get the

sense that first of all this guy's wasted yeah and second like this seems to be about you this you seem to be projecting your situation on my father no seems weird no i'm going to be as polite as possible and get through this i mean that's a level of professionalism from her from him it's i will give him that i think it's less professionalism and more just like what's the point that's fair it's i don't i don't i can see i can see as a performer the point he's a performer i know up for me the point then becomes i'm burning this stage to the ground right and i'm making sure that nobody will ever forget my name and it will not be good i understand anybody who is speaking at this event having that impulse i totally do yeah you got it but i also can relate to someone who's like it's

not worth the trouble that's going to be a mess and i don't i don't really care to to do it so you just say like i'm going to make this last point but dad's being persecuted blah blah this is another example of them not having personal pride so alex of course interrupt more and you're you know you're humble about this but you came up for tonight i know under major pressure and persecution to tell the truth so in closing you tell the people watching out there on the internet and everybody here in person why you decided to come out and speak up for your father tonight i think it's because you know the tide has turned the hoax is broken we're americans we're not russian asians we love america we we believe in america why did you come out tonight i came up here with

uh with ivan raglan i don't know i don't know where he's at he's he's around here somewhere ivan's always i haven't always dragging you know pulling pulling me you know and and five different you know five different different directions we went we're at c pack before and i'm gonna be there our next couple days alex really wanted mike to say like i came because your audience is so important and the tide is turning alex wanted that moment and boy he didn't get it just why are you why are you here i don't know i just follow ivan around i haven't said to come i don't know ivan wasn't going to be able to plug his search engine unless i came so he's a friend of mine yeah i don't want to be here now i didn't want to be at the conference yeah and i don't want to ever stand

next to you know so um flinn mike flinn jr says that his dad will be back and like the terminator this is just like i mean you nailed it earlier just the as alex progresses through this he thinks he's doing his he's doing his show totally he has to co-host yeah he's co-hosting with his speakers but i can tell you that that that his time is not done he will get his he will get his ass back out there and and and and and speak out about the things that that that need to be spoken out about i mean these deep say that that's right general general flinn bet on america three plus years ago and tried to put the white house stock with patriots he was attacked his enemy number one and now four years later we're turning the tide his son is here with us tonight this is a beautiful

time god bless you tell your father we're indebted him we appreciate him so you can't let flinn jr have the last word in his own speech now alex cut him off in the middle of a sentence to wrap it up for him yep that's so fucked up yep and he totally grabbed him didn't he he absolutely that moment where he was like uh no no don't go yet he totally grabbed he totally grabbed his arm i could hurt him grab his arm or at least put his arm on i'm not sure about a grab but yeah it's it's uh you can't leave yet yeah so flinn jr's done and now alex has nick fuentes coming up sure and so he introduces real heavy hitters sure so he introduces nick and i think you can tell fairly well that the audience is mostly his fans well it's hard to follow this nick fuentes who challenged the

republican censors and the neocons on the chai comp tit that chai comp tit will pull off nick fuentes thank you he's getting sustained applause that carry him to stage in a way that these other speakers are not yep so nick comes on stage and like i think you'll be able to tell immediately how much better he is at this than almost everybody else that's been there wow it is great to be here this has been a very off to a good start you know i've been to cpaq for two years now i went to cpaq in 2018 in 2019 2019 i wasn't supposed to be there i actually got kicked out and they they tried to kick me out if you remember last year and i have to say this is way more fun than cpaq

is anybody would anybody rather be at cpaq than here i i don't think so yes but first of all i just want to say thanks to the national file everybody with the national file for hosting this and a big thanks of course to a big thanks to info wars and alex jones for having us all here and ouch jones is high energy i know i sound like a broken record about these various small details of live performance but it's really one of the things that interested me the most in my time during stand-up there's little things that any performer can or cannot do that will have huge effects on how they're perceived by an audience one of the really common ones is a comic coming on stage taking the microphone out of the stand and casually moving the mic stand to the back of

the stage it's a simple routine action that indicates that the performer is at ease and they're able to control their surroundings but if they fail to do this simple act they end up with a mic stand between them and the audience obstructing the view from the crowd which creates distance the comic could leave the mic in the stand and then that's a different thing that's a stylistic choice but if you see a performer take the mic out of the stand and leave the stand there it sends a subconscious signal that this person isn't control in control of their space the same message is sent by a comic who concedes too easily to a heckler if someone in the audience yells something out you don't have to destroy them or anything but ignoring the comment altogether or behaving in

a way that allows the audience member to score a point over you decreases your status as the center of attention and tells the audience that they're not in good hands they can't trust the performer to get through whatever they're about to do yeah before i even started doing stand-up my uncle worked at a comedy club and we went in uh indianapolis at crackers and we were hanging out with the headliner after the show and he was he was just talking and he was literally i remember this to this day of him just saying i can tell how long a stand-up has been doing it just by how they take the mic stand out sure and it's like that is the signal so easily once you once you catch it you know it it's a very basic thing yeah i bring all this up because immediately when he got to the

podium nick flantes carried himself like a guy who's in control of the situation he takes the stage and immediately expresses graciousness to the advent organizers and to alex in the same way a professional comic will make a point to draw the audience's attention to the host the other comics on the lineup and the wait staff this sends an explicit message that endears you to the audience it's your time with the microphone but you want to cede some of that time to give it up for the unsung people who have made this possible it's a very little thing and you see it from pretty much every decent headliner at a comedy show but nick isn't the headliner of this event there's more speakers after him and literally no one else has behaved like this throughout the entire time yep

these are subtle cues that nick is sending that he's above all this but he's also very magnanimous and gracious he's acting like a celebrity drop-in performer who's grateful to do your bar show and thrilled to be there from my time in comedy i would say it's the james adamian type ah nick flantes is a real piece of shit but he's good at these things which is really bad it's very troubling so because i felt a sense that nick flantes seems to be becoming a more ascendant figure in the world of info wars there might be the sort of thing that spells trouble we've seen in the past how easily co-optable alex and info wars are from robert roger stone to robert barnes from all the meme assholes to whatever intern told alex about four chan yeah very very malleable

he's he's suggestible it feels like there's a decent chance that nick is going to become a far bigger and more prominent figure in our world than i'd like him to be so i figured it might be worth our time to take a little bit of a little trip to learn a little bit more about where this guy comes from god damn it i'm gonna hate him right well you might be interested to learn some of this stuff then okay so as we know nick flantes is now a firebrand crypto fascist catholic nationalist and traditionalist who prefers to sum himself up as america first sure he was broadcasting a show by that name on youtube until he was recently booted from the platform for repeated violations of hate speech rules he's become a very public shithead and one

of the things that makes him so particularly notable is that he's very young nick is only 21 years old and despite his youth and inexperience in life he's managed to create a sizable following of disaffected conservative young white men who call themselves grippers which is apparently a reference to pepe the frock great nick got his start in the world of political broadcasting in high school he attended lyons township high school in lagrange illinois which is a public school no shit he's from over here what a god damn state that's a way to put it i thought i hated indiana now i know that we have him fuck us this is a public school but it's a school that has a particular character to it the student body is 73 white as opposed to the statewide average of 49

percent more notably probably only 14 percent of the students at lyons were eligible for free lunch programs compared to the 46 percent average for illinois schools the indicators around this school paint a picture of an environment that nick came into adolescence in and it's a predominantly white and affluent environment lyons township is a school that has an off-shoot television station called lttv on november 5th 2015 nick fuentes released the very first episode of the nicolas j fuentes show on lttv and just a quick look at this show makes it crystal clear that high school nick was very similar to who he is today in some ways and very different in others so he was that shithead one thing that jumps out at you is that nick carries himself with an almost

comical level of self-importance in this high school av class project he's got a suit and tie on and is sitting at a wooden table doing a political round table show where he discusses the big issues of the day with two other 16 year olds he has home room with it's the same kind of stiff upper lip thing that you can see today in his speech at alex's event any normal person would not be able to carry on the illusion that what they're doing has any meaning at all but nick soldiers forward he's committed to being taken seriously so he'll take a dumb conversation about the 2016 republican primary with his high school friends as seriously as he would if you were hosting the mcneill lair hour and he's you know he'll pretend that he's glad to be speaking at a quarter full ballroom with

a bunch of losers and alex drunkenly interrupting everyone you can see that this is a skill that he's had yeah putting on a brave face yeah he's got chops but some things are very different here is the opening moments from nick's first show again from november 5th 2015 i don't hate immigrants this is where he describes his political ideology hello everybody i am nicolas j fuentes you're watching the nicolas j fuentes show since this is our first episode i thought i'd offer a brief introduction i am a libertarian with a small l a republican and a constitutionalist so you can see that he identifies as a libertarian flash forward to the present day and here's what he said uh along with mylo yanopolis when he recently did an interview with him about libertarians

they're selfish preposterous self-interested cowards i agree who have given up on trying to come up with a worthwhile solution to fix civilization society i mean i have nothing but contempt for libertarians which is one of the points of ideological contact i think we have absolutely so that's changed for sure people grow up though and their ideologies can go from believing a thing and then a little while later they agree with a sad washed up propagandist saying that people who believe that same thing are the worst that does happen yeah that's not the too too wild who among us hasn't said to mylo yanopolis whatever you think is right bro so clearly something happened with nick after november 5th 2015 that changed him was it 9 11 no it's hard to say he's

not denise milley it's hard to say exactly what that thing was i needed to learn more so i watched these high school shows of his and i have to say that they're pretty eye-opening his first episode was a breakdown of the candidates in the 2016 primaries he's in favor of ted cruz and rand paul which makes sense for a weirdo conservative type but all that's way less important than his stance on donald trump now everyone's been talking about the trump phenomenon and it is important and historic what do you have to consider about donald trump is that he's not an ideologue he is an opportunist he's not a conservative and it doesn't matter what he is because all he wants is power now it's clear that he's not a conservative if you look at any history at them on the issues

he's been pro-abortion he's been anti-property rights he's pro-protectionism in this election his immigration policy resembles patrick stars we're gonna take the immigrants and push them somewhere else it's basically ridiculous so who does that sound like sounds a whole lot like alex jones talking about trump in the summer of 2015 alex phrased it more in terms of trump being a corrupt mobster who's only out for himself but nick is pretty close to that theme with his pointing out that trump is an opportunist who's only interested in power scratch beneath the surface of the current day fringe trump supporters and you'll often find them clearly expressing that trump is a piece of shit you can't trust back in 2015 yeah it's it's funny how uh how you change

whenever somebody wins the ring you know lindsey graham oh he was so against trump he was against him nick talks a little bit more about trump's candidacy again in this next clip again from this 2015 video now donald trump is doing so well because he appeals to the republicans not in fighting the democrats but in fighting the establishment we haven't fought the democrats since 2012 since mitt romney ran against barack obama since then the republicans have not been fighting the democrats but other republicans ryanos republicans in name only and donald trump has served a very important function in breaking the monopoly of john bainer of paul ryan of rents prebis and having people of by and for the people they were intended to represent now having said that

donald trump has served his function his time is over it's time for serious candidates let the adults talk donald we don't need the exclamatory phrases the borderline racist remarks now we need real candidates in 2015 even nick fuentes could recognize that the things that trump was saying were racist it's a sliding scale so to nick they might be borderline racist but that's still saying a lot considering some of the stuff nick says these days like the time in 2019 when he spent a chunk of his show expounding on his love of saying the n-word so it turns out that in 2019 saying the n-word is a revolutionary act i have a proponent of it you know i i say it freely openly i won't say it in this show because i don't want to get banned right now i don't want to get banned

i don't want this to become so great or anything but so saying the n-word is truly a revolutionary fighter let's stop pretending that it's about anything more than it's funny and that's who i want to to lead me sure yeah so interestingly uh from that last clip about trump you can see that nick has recognized the value of trump sticking it to the republican establishment but that job is done at that point in november 2015 he doesn't serve any further purpose really and he needs to step aside so adult real candidates like ted cruz can come front and center at this point it really seems clear that he's not the same nick fuentes from an ideological perspective he's expressing a disapproval of trump's racist language he recognizes him as a con man and he

resents that he's taking attention away from real conservative candidates that he wants to see win there are little flickers of anti-jewish inclinations you know that you would later fully embrace but they're subtle and even honestly they're debatable in this old clip like this one weird aside he has when he's talking about uh ben carson's tax proposal now having said that his platform is also important in that it barely exists the only thing that he's offered up is a tax plan a 10 tithing program which resembles the old testament it's hard to say if that was even a dig on the old testament it's tough to say that is tough if it weren't nick fuentes i honestly wouldn't even be that suspicious at all no i really would yeah my point is that for the most part this

dude just seems like a kind of a trying too hard taking himself too seriously young conservative yeah he's a wreath witherspoon sure in uh election or whatever it is i thought that this glimpse into nick's roots was fascinating because although i definitely disagreed with most of the stuff he was saying in that video from a political perspective it's a completely different person than the one we've seen as the leader of the america first gropers it's a completely different person than the guy who would jokingly dabble in holocaust denial while hiding behind calling murder jew's cookies something happened that changed nick dramatically and i can guarantee that it happened prior to april 2016 on april 6th 2016 nick released episode six of the nicolas jay fuentes show in

which he debated a fellow high schooler about donald trump by this point nick had completely changed his position and he was fully on board with the trump candidacy which seems weird in this clip nick explains that trump would be a good president because trump demonstrates how we can't even have a debate about hot button issues in this uh this country anymore well i support ted cruise he's my first pick but i think donald trump will be good for america and the reason i think that is because you can't have the debate in this country anymore and i've experienced this this entire week in my economics class i brought up how the gender wage gap is a myth and that the statistics don't support it i was called names i was shouted down my statistics were ripped up

so nick clearly read some anti-feminist anti-sjw blogs and brought that business into his econ class and it didn't go well and now it's clear that the bolsheviks are in charge of public education sure i'm going to go out in a limb and assume that his high school economics class wasn't even covering the wage gap because the complexity of that issue from an actual econ perspective it's kind of outside the scope of public education in high school there was supply and then there was demand those two i recall i wouldn't be surprised if nick just got a bad response trying to argue against a position no one was expressing but nick goes on to discuss what made him turn the corner on trump and it's really weird you look at any other discussion even when donald trump brings up

that uh in his announcement speech he said that mexico was sending their criminals their rapists their drugs whatever and the first response was racist he's a racist shut him down never mind the discussion on illegal immigration never mind the policy proposals if you break down what he actually said in the syntax of it it wasn't racist but that didn't matter that clip is fascinating because nick is saying in april 2016 he's that's when he's saying these things but in november 2015 he was saying of trump that quote we don't need the borderline racist remarks but now he's mad that other people presumably the evil left they take trump's comments and call them racist weird and then there's the further point where nick is saying that people just say trump's comments are

racist without addressing trump's point about immigration but back in 2015 nick himself addressed trump's policies about immigration saying quote his immigration policy resembles patrick stars we're going to take the immigrants and push them somewhere else it's ridiculous nick himself rejected the immigration talk that was supposedly behind the comments that were being called racist and he himself had deemed trump's commentary to be borderline racist mere months earlier it's weird he is it is so much like this makes it clear exactly what this kid is he's like a creation of the feedback loop yep like this is a kid 100 who was only like at 15 or 16 or whatever he's clearly mimicking the fucking line he's got the line from the gop tv not not from the gop tv i

think from the fringe in 2015 prior yes he's got the line from the 2015 then the line changed from the gop to we got to defeat hillary he's created he's swept up in this this is the feedback loop and then he finds the one spot where he can exploit the feedback loop and this guy is he's like the fucking ghost in the shell like he was created within the feedback loop it does nothing it does feel like that he's nothing and i think we'll get even stronger indications of that by looking a little bit more yeah he's empty so the other high school student in this debate is not a liberal he's another young conservative he began the debate by appealing to milton freedman if that gives you if that gives you any idea of whether or not he's wearing a tie

all right these are the cool kids yeah this kid actually comes off pretty well even though even though i disagree with some of his his conclusions i'm not going to beat him up too much he's a fucking high school and he's insanely annoying yeah i don't know i think he has some pretty decent points about like we we shouldn't do this you shouldn't vote for trump that's a ridiculous thing to do that's fair so the other guy he tries to explain to nick that it's clear that trump appeals to nick because he's an insurgent but he's a bad kind of insurgent what i'm talking about is what he's saying it's not going to be good for america what he says is that um he's like i'm not going he tweeted the other day a picture side by side of his wife and tight

cruises wife and when he said i mean if this is the if this is the standard of what we're put you want an insurgent and but this isn't the insurgency i think you want nick absolutely it is absolutely it nick i wish you were sitting in my chair to look at you and see how ignorant you're being right now really that's not an argument that's an ad hominem you can tell a couple of important things from that clip nick sucks well put that on the board is number one okay in the episode from november nick was against trump because he wasn't being a serious candidate like his first choice ted cruz now i'm sorry now in april apparently the desire for seriousness is gone and it's totally cool for trump to tweet about how his wife is hotter than ted cruz's wife

the qualification for a candidate needing to be serious has been abandoned the second thing you can see from that clip is nick's quip quote that's not an argument that's an ad hominem this sort of talk was very popular in the right wing circles of the internet around this time when debating had taken on a bit of a pugilistic character it's probably didn't start with him but staphon malinu definitely had a big part in popularizing philosophy language being deployed by people who didn't really understand the terms and they would use it to deflect any criticism of their positions or what they're doing by calling it an ad hominem attack not an argument that's that's criticism that's ex post facto dan it doesn't count right that's what that means

a priori i disagree a priori this is a little bit of a clue to me that nick might have been spending some time in those types of online communities the third and most important thing here is that the other guy and nick are friends that was established earlier in the debate so when he's saying that he wishes nick could see him from his seat he's expressing a feeling that this position nick is taking is foreign this is a person who knows you saying you've changed and i wish you could see things from outside yourself a lot of this conversation surrounds the difference of opinion about how electing trump would lead to the international community thinking we're a bunch of dumb dumb idiots who would elect someone like trump that's discussed in this next clip

and i think it really reveals a ton of where nick is coming from here's what i here's what i don't care for i don't think that we should elect a president based on what the british parliament will find is tasteful in their opinion you don't care about what our oldest ally thinks of us of who israel or u k oh here because here's why oh u k and europe have taken a course is different from america's it's a course which america has not confronted the crossroads yet or at least it might be too far gone it might not be but europe has decided to take the road of multiculturalism and they've decided to embrace islam and other cultures and and not even i won't even say islam is again i don't want to offend modern muslims but when you see what they're

importing from the middle east from yemen from samalia and you see uh you know what happened in cologne on new year's you see what happened in brussels what happened in paris you see the no-go zones across france germany and belgium you see that sweden has become the number two country in rapes per capita because of refugees from yemen and from samalia and eritrea and you understand that europe is not america they have forsaken their culture and that will be to their demise nick i can't let that happen i'm you can see so much from that clip all that multicultural anxiety the muslims coming into europe all that was absent from his consideration of candidates back in november but now it's front and center seems really important in incidentally those are

exactly the red pill talking points that were making the rounds in the online line fringe right wing communities most of them complete misrepresentations of statistics packaged in such a way so they could be useful to help young white men argue aggressively against multiculturalism to put it simply nick just sounds like a guy who read a bunch of four chan and changed his whole vibe yeah you can see another thing here too that jab at israel that you responded to uh fuck you how dare i'm 32 i'm not going to be lectured about fuck off so the thing about the old testament in his november video you know being close to ben carson's tax plan that was debatable but this one is not no that's clearly an indication of

anti israel sentiment which is also a primary element of the extreme online rights rhetoric at as this conversation goes on it's just one alt-right meme after another you even i think even you as someone who hasn't spent a lot of time studying this stuff i think you'll be able to pick out a couple in this clip you think that if america and this this is a problem and i i hesitate to call you this but i will define this culture from the establishment and from these moderate republicans and from the conservatives they are cuck servitives and what i got b24 they lack the boldness they don't want to reassert american and western culture as superior which it is i got 09 yep sunk sunk his ship the cuck insult and cuck servitive was really hot in specific

communities around this time particularly the cuck servitive form and nick pulling it out in this conversation is a signifier of the places he's hanging out it's just a forensic fingerprint the same goes for the open and explicit rhetoric about the west being superior to other cultures that was a fundamental piece of the online far right at this point in time and the more nick talks the more clear it is he's just rattling off lingo that he learned from his cool new edgy online friends i think at this point it seems pretty hard for me to get away from the conclusion that between november 2015 and april 2016 nick flantes was hanging out in some real edgy right wing communities online and as the kids say he got red pilled he's using all the new cool lingo

he's repeating popular talking points from all right communities around this time his friend is indicating that he's changed like nick is a complete asshole now so it's often easy to lose sight of the fact that he's 21 so in 2015 he was 16 years old i i wonder why so many of these people constantly report losing friends and family whenever you see a wonderful young man calling his friend a cuck servitive yeah i can't imagine why they would lose friends and family seems strange it seems odd it must be because the media is against probably the bolsheviks running the media that sounds right that sounds right as far as i can tell from these snapshots and an awareness of what was going on at the time it's hard for me not to see nick fuentes as a conservative kid who bought

into the extreme right propaganda he was being fed in the form of edgy memes when he was an impressionable 16 year old who didn't have the emotional maturity to handle it the only thing that really distinguishes him in any way from any other angry kid who just harasses people online anonymously is that nick is blessed with talent as much as he sucks on so many levels it would be pointlessly dishonest for me to pretend that he doesn't have an almost startling level of competence even back in those high school videos he's slick and he's quick on his feet he's able to bluff a decent argument out of nowhere or come up with a deflection to an argument that he doesn't want to have nick is a piece of shit and he's fully responsible for the positions that he puts into

the world now and none of what i feel about him changes that but i'll never really be able to take him too seriously because at the end of the day he's just a kid who got radicalized and just so happened to have the talent and skills required to transition into being a cult leader himself yeah and honestly it's more sad than anything else there's clearly something he desperately needed prior to april 2016 and that had nothing to do with misrepresented european crime stats he probably always had a little bit of that racist shithead vibe in him but the way that the trump campaign and the online world surrounding it changed the definitions of what was acceptable to advocate clearly did a number on him yeah nick is not the first of this sort and he won't be the last

the only really notable thing about him right now is that he's more talented than these idiots like baked alaska or laura loomer and because he's figured out this novel strategy that's really what makes him notable he's figured out this this strategy and i think that it's maybe a hundred times more effective than the things employed by like richard spencer by attacking right wing scammers from the right he's essentially repeating the parts that made the tea party successful just this time he doesn't have to deal with glenn beck crying all over the place about his nine principles and eleven rules or whatever yeah yeah yeah so when he wait wasn't it nine twelve oh yes oh sorry what a fucking moron yeah i can't believe we all lived with that it was that was

fine that was weird we just were fine yeah yeah so this strategy that is employing of attacking things like turning point usa and ben Shapiro from the right by presenting his group as the real conservatives right and what does real conservative mean well whatever i wanted it basically is a crypto catholic fascism yeah with a bunch of other wrinkles to it yeah so you have that but that's a really good strategy because i mean there's a whole bunch of elements to why it's a good strategy these people cannot fight you yeah for one yeah second the people who would be opposed to you on the left or the mainstream media for the most part are going to leave you alone when you're attacking charlie kirk hey people are going to go for it let them fight yeah that's going

to be the the reaction that a lot of people have they'll think it's funny that the there's this internecine fight between these fringe right wing groups yeah and never pay the attention that would be required in order to treat you like you deserve to be treated right which is a sad 16 year old boy who went online and found some shit you shouldn't have no clearly what he's clearly his talent is mimicry like big from from that from that first video you did not hear anything but a kid who was channeling but he's a bad he was doing it well very well really really good mimic even now is i i i don't know what or if he believes anything because i don't know what or if any of these people believe anything that's hard to say if they're if they're on the grip side it could go any direction

i have some feelings about that i think he's more sincere in some of his positions well that's what worries me right in me too yeah and because of how corruptible and influenceable alex and info wars are um and the way that the groepers have clearly voiced support yeah of oan and they're growing in strength and i don't know i i don't know if they're growing to some extent if they cannibalize turning point then yeah they're growing in strength and an ideologue that believes the bullshit he's spewing is dangerous it feels like there's less of a grift element to it than other things and that's just because as far as i can tell i don't see branding from nick yeah like i don't see him selling pills or buckets i don't see ads not he's not a good grifter he's a good mimic

he's mimicking the grifters but he's forgetting the grift part that's what he's fucking up there could be some dark money somewhere but i don't i don't necessarily know if that's a case i would assume because he you know he's talked about it in interviews before how he lives with his parents in suburb of chicago like those poor poor doesn't have a lot of expenses or they're complicit in this whole nightmare could be i have no idea um but like he doesn't have a ton of overhead necessarily to what he needs to do yeah and so until he got kicked off youtube i'm pretty sure that based on the audience that he had like he wasn't demonetized until fairly soon before he got kicked off yeah so like he was probably making a pretty good amount of money from that and then

whatever donations might be coming in i could see him being fully self sustainable without having to do too much grift yeah for sure whereas people like alex have overexerted themselves and there's too much sunk money they got too used to the grift right right and so they they're beholden to it in a way that someone like like nick is a bit more flexible in that way yeah absolutely so i i wanted to get into that a little bit because i i think it's interesting when you see the way that nick has because you know he's come back on alex's show alex immediately he was like you need to get we need to get you to this rally yeah the way the audience is largely nick's fans and the way he's carrying himself in charge he is he is so confident there that that's going to rub off a bit yeah i

felt it was worthwhile to take a little look at some of these earlier times things because the picture of him is incomplete if you don't recognize that most of this philosophy is born out of this online radicalization that he clearly was subject to and he was too young to handle it and like what you're saying i think you i think the what you said was is right on it's the mimicry aspect in 2015 you're mimicking the mainstream gop yeah talking about like hey ben carcins the leader in the clubhouse and you know rand paul is great conservative but i don't know if it's going anywhere right very very much that and then is when the you get exposed to the online extreme stuff you start mimicking that and then you become it yeah he's i i almost see him like a

fucking he's almost like an empty vessel now that i've because like the more that i the more that i go through listening to all of that shit all i see is him just writing this writing this this sure right this rage this like inexplicable rage and it it doesn't come from him well it does no i mean there's something no absolutely there's a pain absolutely no no 100 percent you don't become a 21 year old psychopath without some pain somewhere along the line right but it like it's it's almost like he's just the avatar for these people it has nothing to do with him it's not self-generated and when that rage is dissipated they won't stick with nick probably stay with probably not if that rage is dissipated i don't you know i don't think that this has

because he doesn't have any actual talent other than mimicking that i mean maybe he'll get a he'd be perfect as a political hack on fox news or whatever well great at it to the extent that you're you know you exist solely as like this thing that is just a mirror and a re amplification of other things that you take in i think that as you get older and grow up you can learn to shift that oh for sure for sure and i think that what that's one of the things that you need to worry about is him metastasizing into being right the mimic that becomes sentient or whatever i mean i mean it's like any it's like any comic starting out you know you're the first thing you're doing is basically stealing totally else's persona almost universally yeah yeah and then you create

you know unless you're fucking eddie murphy right but even then he was he was stealing other people yeah but but like i just i i really thought coming into this from so many of these interactions with nick fuentes's work that he was something more than what i see him as now which is an empty he's empty to me he's just empty in the same way a lot of these people are who just mirror back the prepackage talking points oh for sure everybody all these like right wing people are like we don't use talking points because we don't get msnbc you know whatever they but following the the talking point that they're all say we don't use talking points because we're not down to they take away the fact that the talking points they're getting are self generating

in the online spaces yeah that that these things come from yeah they're healing more than anything else i've listened to a ton of his debates and and his speeches and some of his shows and and what it is is that it is largely regurgitation but super competent yeah like he's very slick he seems like a nice guy that's so annoying yeah what a monster so we'll get back to his speech here and he asks he starts off with like a like an interesting question that i have the answer for okay but it is it is very exciting you know i look at this room here we've got alex we've got owen we've got gabin we've got a lot of big names and i think to myself like why haven't we done this sooner what a wonderful nick poses an interesting question there like why haven't

it i am in this sooner because we fucking out from a logistical perspective i have no idea why they haven't but as an external observer i would say that this entire show up till this point has been a pretty solid argument for why it hasn't happened fringe weirdo congressional candidates trying to lock up the fringe weirdo vote scammers trying to trojan horse a fundraising scheme into a speech alex getting progressively more problematically drunk i think the argument for not doing this show is pretty well spelled out by doing the show i have no idea why these people weren't invited to see pack i mean we we talk about alex's toxic views so much but like you can't have alex at c pack just because he's going to try and fuck up the show sure you know like

even if alex was a regular old middle of the road moderate republican he's still going to get drunk and wander up on stage and try and do a show at you too true true so in this next clip nick talks about how his his recent ban from youtube makes him part of the band club but tonight i wanted to talk a little bit about censorship this is after all the emergency first amendment summit we have rallied and gathered here genuinely could not tell you what's happening and as you may know this is something that has touched me very recently because i was banned off of youtube on valentine's day yeah you may remember this still a little bit sore still hurts a little bit i mean we all knew it was coming for years

but when it finally hits you i was just talking to oan and some of the guys from info wars they said you know you're finally part of the band club banned from social media dog video great awesome uh i'm glad to be a part of that right but it does show that you're doing something right here again we see that insidious mindset of thinking the consequences equal virtue nick has been banned from youtube thus it must mean that he was doing something right which is just bad reasoning no matter how you slice it that mentality is ubiquitous in this group because it's a crutch more importantly i want to draw your attention to the fact that nick fuentes called this the emergency first amendment summit that is the official name of this event and he is

literally the first speaker to recognize that it does seem like that he is slick he gets on stage and thanks the people that are putting on the event he uses the name of the event in contrast to how everyone else has demonstrated a complete ignorance of or a disrespect for the normal etiquette of performance nick has nailed almost every little piece of it he's good at this and that's how he's able to get away with a lot of the stuff that he does yeah because he's overly competent in many of the subtle social signifiers like pretending to be humble and being appreciative this is this is it it makes up for a lot this episode is one a great way of skewering right wing propaganda and laughing at ridiculous people sure and also is a perfect blueprint for how to

run a show if you're listening to this and you're running your show and it if you are making any of these fucking mistakes there you go low you fixed your fucking show for you low key i might have been like really personal for you thinking about this one hundred percent personal for you i care about show i know i know this is something that we have talked about a lot i'm no todd glass i have a lot of thoughts all right all you need all you need get a curtain one red curtain behind you yeah so nick talks about this fact that he's been bad that was a joke but what if it was the stop it nick talks about how he's been banned from youtube and now that proves that he is not controlled opposition it's interesting for a long time there is maybe a silver lining to

being banned from youtube for the longest time people used to tell me that i was controlled opposition because i wasn't banned from youtube they would say why are you on youtube still doesn't that show that you're still part of the system but thankfully now i can tell you being banned off of youtube no i can't confirm i'm not a part of the system but so that's a cute joke but the fact that nick was still on youtube wasn't the main sticking point for people who accused him of being controlled opposition what was that it was the fact that he was not banned from twitter and in fact his twitter account is verified really yeah in this interview with that he did with milo unopolis you can hear him joking about that near so i know you're a fed you're still verified on twitter it's true it's

true only explanation i flash my badge i go to twitter hq who are the people still on twitter david duke which is spencer and you yeah yeah but i have that i have my blue check mark i think it's my last word there's something up with you it's true i'm a i'm a gray alien i work for nasa i can feel you glowing from here this was a lighthearted thing and it came in the form of ribbing but it's at least the second time in the first 20 minutes of that interview with milo that a joke about nick being controlled opposition because he's still on twitter came up as of this recording nick is still verified on twitter well that's because they're trying to wait what yeah oh no so i think you could tell from this next clip that this audience is pretty heavily nicks fans

you can hear them responding like how an audience would to perform her in a way that these other people are not and i think it's so clear yes thank you can we get a shout out for the groipers the groipers who are with us tonight the groipers are taking over this whole week so obviously like it if you're in that room and you're alex or you're anybody else you recognize this guy has taken over our event oh yeah the audience is clearly on his side whether or not he has won them over or they came because of him yeah he is i mean to use the word that he used in that high school debate he's cucking out this event yeah that's true alex hasn't interrupted him wait for it okay hey all right it will come

i was wondering because alex has got to take power back somehow it's true and he does okay nick starts talking about this free speech stuff and how the republicans and the gop they don't really care about free speech yeah but neither is he sure but he has a really interesting take on this and it's actually uh probably a decent point to some extent okay but it's also really scary to hear someone like him using all right we know that at one point in time the left was in favor of free speech we remember during the anti-war vietnam protests we remember that berkeley was supposedly the birthplace of free speech on the college campus and now they've turned against free speech why is that we all know why that is because free speech is a tool

that benefits dissidents now that the left is in power they have no need for free speech free speech is the means through which dissidents challenge their institutional power in the establishment they were outside of power and they supported free speech now they are inside in power and they are against free speech and a similar thing actually has happened on the right i don't know if i agree with some of the finer points of nick's assessment here but i want to leave all that aside and focus on this very important point um and it's something that makes nick super dangerous nick is completely aware that the authoritarians of the past have used bullshit free speech whining to weasel their way into public spaces he knows that george lincoln rockwell the founder of the

american nazi party used debates about free speech as a tool to mainstream and normalize his bigoted ideology as if pretty much every extreme right wing fuck ever since i'm not sure he's right about the left using free speech to take over power after the sixties considering it after 1969 there wasn't a democrat in the presidency other than the very ineffectual one term of jimmy carter until bill clinton took office in 1993 from 1969 to 1993 democrats were only in the presidency four out of the 24 years which if you're paying attention means republicans were in power 20 of the 24 now but the left is in control now obvious always obviously we can see that it's the left who's the right well i mean alex has already said the bright part's a leftist publication see there we go we're

all nazis what's interesting is that nick seems to be wanting to have his cake and eat it too in this clip on the one hand he seems to be completely exposing the game and saying that everyone just pretends to be into free speech but it's really just a means for them to get power on the other hand he seems to be still insinuating that he unlike the democrats and republicans is the one who actually cares about free speech and if he were to rise to power he would be the only one who wouldn't immediately forget about the issue this is an impressive level of cynicism but i also think that it could be dangerously effective there are tons of disenchanted folks on the right who were sick of people like steven krauter and the entire flock of free speech profiteers

and it could be super appealing as a thing for them to hear like on the right to have someone on the right call out the scam for what it is an ideologue who believes his own bullshit is dangerous granted people like nick are pretty selective in their targeting like he'll say people like krauter or ben Shapiro or turning point they're scamming on free speech to gain power but he doesn't have that same complaint about milo yanapolis or alex jones that's because he doesn't care about them being free speech con man he's just bitter that krauter Shapiro and turning point don't want to validate him whereas alex and milo are desperate enough that they're willing to see if they can get a boost out of it because people like nick are excluded from even being access given access to the right

wing mainstream they can free themselves up to lob some pretty fairly accurate critiques of the scams of the right wing mainstream to be perfectly clear a lot of the critiques he makes are not accurate and actually just bigotry but this one that they're using free speech trolling as a means of gaining power but they don't care about free speech that's a salient point that is a fair point that he's making and he's free to do it right i mean it's but that's that's the way that we get into trouble with when the right wing starts criticizing like the fbi and shit like that where you're like yeah the fbi is fucking evil and it would be harder to believe conspiracy theories about them if they didn't do so much evil shit yeah the cia is fucking evil they didn't do this but

i get why you believe that because they fucking like how many how many fred hamptons do we have to get murdered before it's like i get it the cops are fucking evil you know like i right i understand but you're doing it wrong right right right you're doing it wrong but that doesn't take away the validity of the critique itself absolutely not absolutely and the power that it can have as a persuasive tool of course but here's the thing jordan nick doesn't care about free speech either surprise here he is expressing that very clearly in one of the episodes of his show from 2018 you know i was interviewed at charlottesville as well by an info war supporter millie weaver i think millie weaver you know she was very surprised by by the chad right she was very

surprised by how authoritarian we were that day because she was interviewing us saying well don't you think everybody has the right to free speech and me and james also were like uh no no they don't these people pose a threat to the country so in true fascist fashion nick uses the language that appeals to people but what is political project is is working on it's working on something entirely different he can show up to a first amendment rally while holding a position that people he disagrees with politically don't have free speech rights this is because nick fuentes at his core is interested in creating a state that runs on catholic fascism here is a clip of him from his show america first discussing how he would join antifa if they were supporters of musolini

or francisco franco i had to take this clip from his interview with milo's there's a little bit of laughing from milo's friends in the background just so that doesn't distract you too much no man if antifa were marching down the streets and they were waving the banner of benito musolini or francisco franco i'd be joining them frank if antifa was waving the banner of phalanges and if they were waving the banner they would just be fun and they were saying you know catholic fascism now i would join them i would become a part of antifa i would welcome antifa yes take over the country that's sort of played for humor and i'm sure nick would try to wheeze a lot of this position by saying that his show is satire or some dumb shit yeah fuck off but he does later

in that milo interview express the position that catholic theocracy would be preferable to our democratic system but if we want to become some kind of catholic country i mean i don't know i'm all for catholic theocracy i don't know how i don't think you'd hate it too much i wouldn't know it'd be preferable to what we have now so you can see kind of some of the things that are behind his presentation of beliefs so he isn't that exactly the right way like right now when we're talking so many fucking right wing op-eds are being written about the democratic candidate that democrat should choose and it's always like well if antifa were fun then i would vote for them like it's literally if if antifa were running and for a fascist then i'd be for them yeah

like that's exactly what we're doing right now with all of that it's well if the democratic candidate would just be a republican we'd be voting for him dummies interesting so nick has said that um you know he doesn't you know he got interviewed at charlottesville at the united the right rally by millie weaver and he was talking about how these people that he disagreed with don't have free speech rights but he does believe in some free speech rights i think the first amendment protects that kind of ridicule if i want to say women are dumb if i want to say if i want to say something nasty about black people if i want to say something nasty about jews and why would anybody want to do that listen to the smile that's first amendment protected you can hear that

smile it's not less a smile as it is a wink you can hear it if i want to say something mean about jews why would anybody do that hey you guys get it i want to but i'm not doing it seems to me like a real uh guy who just doesn't like the state of israel as opposed to uh not liking jewish people yeah what a piece of shit right so you can see that there's this conflict of i don't believe in free speech rights for people i disagree with but free speech is an absolute necessity when it comes to me being able to say racist and hateful things some speech is more free than others but but free speech isn't really encroached if you want to be hateful like the state isn't going to step down on you at all this is all nonsense the reason the state is cracking down on dissidents

who want to say things like all women are dumb and racial slurs and all of that stuff is because uh what was i talking about again unclear okay so you have this muddy view of what free speech means it's just a tool that nick is using while at the same time being free to come to this speech and talk about how political forces use free speech as a weapon basically it's very scary nothing nothing means anything but you also see that from these you know indications that he has he's very interested in something else you know he's interested in cultivating an absolute kind of power like this catholic fascism idea that he's expressing it's legitimately an authoritarian religiously based monarchy that he would like to see come into power so he's not particularly

interested in the subtle free speech cons being run by people like steven krauter and charlie kirk those guys aren't so much motivated in in in terms of bringing in an overt dictator as they are interested in marginalizing vulnerable people and making a profit off it nick's political project is much broader in scope than that so he can afford to call out the trivial game that others on the right are playing it doesn't hurt him at all and it'll trick a certain amount of people into thinking that he's actually the real one who's interested in free speech but of course he's not which is why it's farcical that he's here speaking at alex's first amendment summit he doesn't believe in the first amendment at all so nick expounds on this point here that he has about free speech

being in the interest of those in power against the interest of those and as you were waiting for it here comes alex to interrupt all right all these right wing people that say they're against censorship they're in favor of free speech that worked 10 years ago when they didn't have this institutional power but now that they've got the money and they've got the think tanks and they've got the ngos and all that institutional power on their side where it's where it's free speech is no longer convenient for them where now that they are in positions of power they do not like the free speech that we are offering up as true conservatives where it's worth and nick here he comes you're knocking out of the park here but i totally agree with you that i don't care what somebody says

they have a right to free speech and what the establishment really fears is power they fear human action that has that electric spark you've got that and they're scared of you and no matter what they do they can't suppress you because i get on air and i talk about america and freedom i can't believe this is allowed and i see the headlines nazi alex jones because that's all the left scott is to say somebody trying to promote freedom as a nazi when the nazis are a bunch of losers seventy something years ago got their ass kicked and so just keep saying no you're a nazi you're a nazi you're a nazi i'm like no i'm an american i'm a capitalist i'm an american lover and i'm not gonna bow down to you i wasn't wearing a hat that's why we can talk about it all day

nick fuentes how they do this but no one buys it anymore you're gonna almost hear a lampshade on his head like it's yeah and everybody's stopped yelling about these pink elephants that keep going can we get is there catering here pink elephants oh i gotta get rid of this bottle i don't know how to put this more bluntly than alex has no idea what point nick fuentes is making none he's drunk and at this point he seems to think that he's doing his show as opposed to being at a summit of invited speakers yeah he's not paying attention and he just interrupts nick to get his talking points in which is embarrassing nick is expressing a very interesting dynamic which is that free speech is not in the interest of those controlling power particularly when their primary reason to

pursue power is to gain more power or hold on to that which they have it's one of the main reasons that the first amendment is there and why we need this freedom to be considered sacrosanct in our culture because if it wasn't and true free speech rules were up to the whims of random elected politicians and officials they've probably have been gone long ago it's you know it's important the whole thing was in response to that fucking king being a dick uh huh yeah i don't think alex even understands the point that nick is making you can hear nick say here he comes in the background when alex comes up on stage there's a real tone of judgment to it he's not excited that alex is interrupting him but you know what nick is the only speaker other than mike flinn jr who doesn't

end up responding to alex interrupting them with the archetypal cop out it's impossible to follow alex jones it's not impossible for nick because to him alex is an embarrassing fool yeah who's just useful at this point it's very possible to follow him yeah yeah i have i have followed many embarrassing drunks in my day it has not been that hard to follow and especially when you've brought the crowd like it's it's very simple yeah he doesn't have to do that oh look at alex isn't this fun he doesn't have to do that so nick wants to complain a little bit about cpac which is fair i guess yeah he's not welcome there sure sure so do you know what they're calling this year cpac conference suck pack that's right the theme this year it's not a parody not a joke the theme for

them this year is america versus socialism and to me that says it all what they want us to do for the next 50 years is to relitigate the cold war and fight this argument america versus socialism they want control of the dialectic of the conversation between the two poles the right as defined by hamburgers capitalism and on the other side socialism i guess i'll wrap it up here i'm gonna no don't wrap it up i just want to say this i'm just lurking behind you right here he's not a bad guy alex has come up on stage god in the middle of that this is this is like a johnny karsten roast this is this is like the fucking sixties and dean is fucking up there being like hey isn't it great that i say racist shit about oh never mind you're my friend but also at this

point i'm starting to suspect that alex's interruptions might sometimes be strategic if there's one thing he doesn't want to speak or condemning it's the idea that you shouldn't spend all of your time regurgitating and relitigating the cold war this is not cool for alex because his entire show is relitigating the cold war all of his expert friends are cold war hangers on like joel scousen and steve pacenek who see commies hiding in every bush and inside every government office everything in alex's world comes back to cold war anti-communist fanaticism think about it a gigantic part of his corona virus conspiracy has to do with his belief that the globalists are in bed with china because they want them to take down the west which is why david rockefeller installed mao into power in

1949 alex's beliefs are essentially indecipherable without the understanding that pretty much everything he's saying goes back to the ravings of some crypto fascist from the cold war era though not a direct attack on alex what nick is saying is a bit of an indictment of alex's primary world view mocking the idea that cpaq would be socialism versus the united uh the america that yeah pointing that out is not good for alex no it's mocking what he does every day yeah in his face yes in his face so i think so this is the young cannibalizing the old a little bit i think some of alex's interruption is uh in the same way that he cut off tommy collins when she started selling he cut off iven ricklin when he started selling i think there's a decent chance that he's coming

up and being like guys guys a good guy a little bit to derail the the the thought becoming too explicit yeah that we shouldn't worry too much about this dichotomy that is a leftover from the cold war right it's uh it might be a little bit more craft than uh than it appears hey i'm not going to give him that much credit i'm not either but i think there's a kernel to it that might just be muscle memory i don't i don't think you're wrong i can definitely see that uh because even if you're ways that you can run on instinct i mean i mean yeah yeah yeah there there is a certain level of uh of like once you've got any well actually you know what i totally i i'm actually going to go complete 180 and agree with you wholeheartedly because now we're doing alex a show

now the show instincts have kicked in and this is hey we're not talking about that right now next next line of conversation tell me tell me about your history is this guy's a good guy people say he's a bad guy he's a good guy yeah exactly i love this guy he's good show instincts are kicking in i i believe you now and so this rambles into alex saying that nick fuentes isn't a racist okay i always say so short he just calls me thank you so i'm like having a pulling on a complex but seriously nick fuentes says a lot of things that people agree with he's popular so the system wants to ban him like a race car driver that keeps winning races that's all they did that to a black race car because they're black people or white people or

the eight people or anybody he just wants to have his own say and you know what i'm a confident man i say hey buddy i say the market ideas you get to have a run at it because that makes us all stronger but they call him a white supremacist all over the news and then the atl and southern probably law center fund white supremacist compounds with terrorists with bombs i've studied it ready to blow up black communities and create war but they can never find white people to join that's the good news this seems very self-serving at this point wow alex knows that nick has the room's attention and he has a lot of fans in the crowd so he wants to associate himself with nick and try and see if he can get some of them to become his customers yep unfortunately this depressing ass event has

driven him to drink to the point of nearing coherence and all he's doing is making a joke of himself in front of nick's hippie young audience also to the point that nick isn't a racist i would beg to differ here's a clip of him from his interview with milo expressing a viewpoint that i don't really know how a non-racist could have and i i think the european race is real i think the different races are real i think they exist as scientific classifications and they did up until very recently and i you know i just wonder again uh i don't know where the rub is where a lot of people say and then you've said you don't agree with diversity you believe race is real but yet any kind of idea of benefit to diversity for its own you know for its own sake but it seems there

is a benefit to diversity well i think that what i would say is that the culture mixing cultures deriving from different religions doesn't work i don't think that i would say that mixing races doesn't work um does it work so nick is expressing a belief in scientific racialism which isn't a great start and then he follows that up by signaling that he's not convinced different races can coexist with each other huh i wonder if he expresses any other flagrantly racist things in this interview with milo uh are you against interracial marriages i am yeah wow okay i know i know that's uh dad hoff mexican he is we name is fuentes that's true see how the fuck you see senior yeah well so nick is opposed to interracial marriages which is a pretty tough position to

defend without getting pretty racist in the process are his parents still together i have no idea fuck keep in mind this fucking kid man keep in mind that the question is not personally would you marry outside your race which which no if you said no would be an indication of personal bigotries that you hold but you might not have a problem with other people marrying other races the question as asked by milo is about support or opposition to the act of marrying someone out of a different race this is about whether or not people should do it nick doesn't believe that people should marry outside their racial group which i can't really see any good arguments for that aren't insanely racist excuse me okay nick it's 2018 so obviously this is going to be a softball

question i'm just going to lob this up a lot of people are calling you a racist i'm just going to lob this one up air are you against interracial marriage because it's 2018 nobody could possibly only a vehement racist could be against well racial marriage i mean so i'm going to throw this softball up to you i'm going to put it on a god damn tea and you heard milo's response to nick's answer it said wow holy shit whoops i was throwing you a god damn softball it's almost like he's like huh what people say about you is accurate you didn't swing while you didn't swing at the ball you hit the catcher in the face we're going backwards buddy yeah it's not good so here's how he defends his assertion that interracial marriage is no good okay let's hear this

if you'll allow me to elaborate a little bit on the point here i think up until very recently this is what the vast majority believed and i think it was actually mainstream media programming in a very concerted agenda on the part of certain elements and that's not it's not a dog whistle but it's just true in the media you look at advertisements today you look at major hollywood pictures to push people in a certain direction i don't disagree with you that they lay it on really thick yeah every ad you see seems to be a white woman with a black eye okay and i see it myself all right and i don't i yeah they lay it on very thick but it's a jump from that to i don't think people should marry across racial lines well how about Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali

said the same thing i i want my grandchildren to look like me and i don't think there's anything wrong about that so nick's defense for his opposition to interracial marriage comes down to two points one he feels like there are too many mixed race couples and advertisers and two Muhammad Ali said he wanted his grandkids to look like him so it's cool hey he's so pretty so pretty i'll take these one at a time as to the advertising point in august 2019 researchers at the Qatar computing research institute released a study where they investigated gender and racial diversity in approximately 86 000 ads that had been shared by quote 73 top international brands on instagram and facebook 100 interracial relationships one of their questions was about just representation

generally speaking but another was quote which pairs of demographic groups are preferred in advertising images for cross-sex inter interaction context as to the representation question they found that white people appear in ads at a rate proportional to the most recent census data but that black people are way less likely to appear in ads than you would expect based on demographic numbers and that the number looks even worse when you look specifically just at black women the rate at which the researchers called quote strikingly low yeah as to the question of cross-sex interaction between members of different races what do you know they found that there was a gigantic tendency towards white male white female pairings and ads but that raised a new question for them

which was is this just the result of there being way more white people represented in ads so they took into account the relative number of models of different races and they found that quote the preference towards pairing of the same race in cross-sex interaction becomes apparent this is a classic example of of people like nick completely fabricating perception he's seen a few instances of interracial pairings and commercials and each time the right wing media has lost its mind yelling about forced miscegenation and some shit so it feels like this is a consistent pattern now every time there's a mixed race couple in an ad it's further proof that the globalists are trying to push race mixing on the whites for every ad with a mixed race pairing

i would dare say nick would see 500 ads where the pairing are both white but his mind doesn't register that he ignores the overwhelming prevalence of white white couples and ads because he's a racist and it bothers him when he sees mixed couples and ads in order to justify this anger without just admitting he's a racist the easiest move is to pretend that every ad you see is black guys with white girls and how the man is trying to push it on the brave and noble whites it's a cowardly cop out that reveals the bigotry underneath when you actually look at the statistical analyses of these ads i mean i'm let's let's just be even simpler with it uh there hasn't been a black bachelor a black man who is a bachelor i didn't know that yeah now i don't watch the bachelor not once i

now that i have a partner apparently i have to watch the fucking bachelor you brought the people are going to hear about it yeah people are going to fucking hear about the batch no i mean it's it's so obvious especially because i was forced to watch the bachelorette last season and there was a black dude who fucking killed who i wanted to be with who of course didn't wind up with her because surprise and then this year's bachelor who's usually chosen from that should have been that fucking guy but it's any so some dumb boring pilot that's it he do what he does he flies that's all he's got would you should have been a black bachelor you seem to have a lot of thoughts about i have one thought about all of the bachelor and bachelorette would you like to

start an offshoot podcast where you just know me about the bachelor no i would not stop hitting the chair i'm sorry so um yeah i mean there are things like that like that's a good example of things that are just unexamined things that nick would never bring into it because they're kind of counterfactuals to the point that he's making yeah there's been 400 season of the batch right the right wing gets all up in a tizzy whenever there's like one of these commercials with uh you know a mixed race couple and they're like well what message are you sending you're trying you know so you have that and that instills in your mind if you're of this inclination right read racist yeah that whenever you see one it's an ad like that it's more proof that this happens

all the time right but it never registers or sticks out in your mind all of the ads that you see that are not mixed race couples and it just makes you mad it just makes you mad and you're dumb racist idiot yeah well i mean if you see one ad and assume that because of this one ad with an interracial couple the entire fucking establishment is pushing miscegenation upon you hey why would it matter if you see a hundred ads or 20 ads you already have the point is already decided one yeah the first time so every time yeah you could see a hundred ads that don't fit into the model but once you have it in your mind that they always do this yeah two ads down exactly hundred don't matter yeah as for the Muhammad Ali comment there's a bit of a game of telephone going on

with this quote i've seen versions of it posted on explicitly white nationalist sites arguing that ali said that races shouldn't be or they should be separate and so why is it so bad do they advocate for the same thing in these instances the citation uses often a little muddy and hard to trace back to its source uh did thomas jefferson say this totally but it appears that each of them are just slight embellishments on an interview that ali did in 1971 with michael parkinson of the bbc ironic in the interview ali is discussing how everyone says they want integration but after he won the gold medal at the olympics he still couldn't eat at segregated restaurants because he was black he's pointed he's pointing to the inherent hypocrisy of the times where the rhetoric

is often pro integration but the lived experience is much different he talks about how marriage is a part of integration and he tells the interviewer quote i'm sure no intelligent white person watching this show in his or her right white mind want black men and women marrying their white sons and daughters and in return introducing their grandchildren to half brown kinky haired black people the interviewer points out that the phenomenon he's talking about is a social problem and the educating people not to have these prejudices and bigotries will go a long way toward reducing the number of white people in 1971 who wouldn't want their grandchildren to be of multiple races sure to that ali responds quote but life is too short for me to be doing that we're educating

people i'd be i'd rather be reading to my own i have a beautiful daughter beautiful wife they look like me we are all happy and don't have no trouble it would be dishonest for me to say that Muhammad ali wasn't expressing in his view uh that the natural uh state in the world as races living separately that is true but his view is very influenced by the time uh in the circumstances of the early 70s in the united states 1971 is only a few years removed from the passage of the civil rights act and the voting rights act as well as the assassinations of martin luther king fred hampton and malcolm x this context informs his position and where he was coming from also in this interview ali seems preoccupied with his fear of flying and at one point he seems to imply

that he can predict plane crashes the interview asks him quote god he would have stopped 911 the interview out interview asks him quote can you predict other things since ali had been uh explaining how he can predict how his fights are gonna sure like i know this guy is going down in the seven sure sure sure ali says quote a lot of things that i feel are gonna happen like we might go half a year without a plane crash i'm flying every day and i think it's time for a plane crash i don't wish for nothing like that but i feel like that things are too quiet and two or three days later a plane crashed here all right so anyway take this interview however you like it's been used by white supremacists and white nationalists for years justify their own desire

for a white ethno state so it seems weird to imagine that nick has some other reason to pull out that quote here i think it's possibly oversimplified uh but even if you imagine the worst possible interpretation for someone for something uh that ali said in an interview 49 years ago i still don't think that's a good defense for nick's position against interracial marriage no you don't understand someone else had a similar position is not strong stuff no you're not understanding because one person uh who gained fame and yet still did not overcome the institutionalized racism was expressing a worldview built around white people enslaving everybody he's ever known uh then after that fucking continuing a pattern of abuse for years on past the civil rights era

because he was expressing his opinion there that totally makes it okay for a white person who did all of that shit to then co-opt his argument that makes perfect sense dan well even if you take that aside like just the appeal to authority that's being done is not really an authority it's just some it's a celebrity who who was a smart person and had some interesting ideas about a lot of stuff but that doesn't mean that this is a great point he was the it look there's there's Muhammad Ali and then there's audrey lord and those are the only two jesus so anyway the point of this where it all started is that alex is wrong nick fuentes has given people ample reason to suspect he's a racist and a white nationalist also there are a few things like more satisfying

for me than when alex tries to bring out that stuff about like elohim city and that the material expecting it to blow people's minds and no one cares yeah you just hear the when he's talking about like the splc runs he's uh they're trying to get white people to have bombs and the whole audience is like we want to hear nick yeah what are you doing there are some there are some serious like death what what a shit now i can't remember uh what's the name of it i don't know fuck i always be closing oh uh what's the name of the movie oh glenn gary glenn ross that's what it is this has such like alex is jack levin alex is the drunk and nick fuentes is the hot young kid that's so much what's going on that's an it's an interesting way to look at it yeah so alex gets off stage

and nick starts talking about the the people who are sponsoring c pack and how they believe in open borders sure and of course yeah yeah yeah of course alex needs to wander back up on stage of course people that are putting up the money for their thing putting up the money for their conference are benefiting from their open borders agenda so in conclusion is that was that five no but it's true it's not that we're against the third world populations it's there being weaponized against us so he's gone like three times longer so the innards gonna say i i sense her nick fuentes i did not i actually extended him they're gonna kick us out of here in like 30 minutes we got like five more speakers we just got rid of the whole question and answer conference

but it's surprise we're not gonna get to call it bad it's that the globalists are weaponizing them and you're right ben Shapiro and all these people are pushed by the system we're banned by the system what does that tell you it's like a tag team we're tagging in i'm back in oh no but nick can handle that he got a laugh off of that but he can handle it he's got the chops yeah that mother fucker yeah one of these other ding dongs who's been up here just be like haha look at this look at us doing this two-man game they'd be panicking in some way but nick is able to maneuver it and finesse things god damn it i hate these people yeah yeah it's pretty wild so nick's speech ends and alex brings up the next speaker he's giving an introduction to

gavin mcginnis who's next and he's supposed to be the headliner other than alex right right gavin's gavin's feature act gotcha because you know according to everything that was already in alex's head yeah gavin is the most important figure that was there before he booked nick and he probably thought like you know what nick's more important than milley but he's not more important than the guy who started vice and is the head of the proud boys and now nick is like dave chappelle dropping in for a five-minute set that goes 45 and i think alex realizes this as he's trying to introduce gavin oh no one last thing the sustainment we as conservatives who are in favor of america first whatever our differences we will either hang together or we will most

surely hang separately that's the most important thing thank you and now and now we have gavin mcginnis gavin introduce himself great patriot major censor anybody involved say his name first i think that alex is really shaken by the fact that nick fuentes you can't tell from just listening to this yeah but he got a standing ovation from the crowd after his speech while he was trying to bring up gavin like alex is trying to introduce gavin mcginnis and the crowd is giving a standing ovation for nick alex you're so stupid yeah this is not good for alex because this flips the dynamic he was hoping for alex co-opt other people's shit because in the fringe weirdo conspiracy and crypto fascist right wing he's

always been the biggest game in town other people may have some cottage industry things going but traditionally alex has been able to associate with them and then use them to his advantage but this is the exact opposite nick fuentes does not need alex and i think alex realized it in that moment any benefit from this is going directly to nick yeah any person who alex is exposing to nick uh stands to possibly become a fan of nicks that's it's not going to go the other way around it's not like nicks fans are going to convert to info warriors that's not going to happen particularly not after this shit show i strongly suspect that alex realized that he's in a situation where the only outcomes available to him are losing prospects he could fully accept nick

and watch as his audience gets drawn away from him to the towards the shiny nice respectable clean cut articulate magnanimous young man who can handle himself way way better than alex or conversely he could try to distance himself from nick and al and run the risk of becoming his next target the next example of an organization like turning point that isn't really america first but pretends to be that q and a session at the end is a huge danger the way that nick and the groepers have done the damage they have to turning point is by showing up at in the audience of their q and a sessions and asking them incredibly loaded questions about israel and about restricting even legal immigration into the country it's a stunt strategy that's meant to make turning point look

unable to answer these questions and to expose them as the non-conservative shields nick says they are the cuckservatives it's honestly a really good media strategy and it's helped by the fact like mentioned earlier the mainstream media and most leftists hate turning point too so they're not going to come to their defense when they're being attacked by a group of crypto fascist catholic monarchists alex cannot be on the receiving end of that kind of treatment and survive he's too drunk at this point to navigate that q and a session safely no chance he has no position on israel that sounds principled he just says i'm not against him but about enough for him you know sometimes israel's good that's going to fail the groeper purity test is bad israel and i think that alex

realizes that when he sees all the young fuentes fans in the crowd give him a standing ovation this event has been co-opted alex is in serious trouble yeah thankfully gaven is up next and he's a super funny guy gaven opens with a bit of business where he pretends to trip on his way up to the stage and he drops all of his notes he does not do he does oh god so they're in a right's getting too good his notes are in a disheveled mess when he gets up to pick them up so he starts nervously reading the last page as if it's the opening page it's fucking andy kaufman level shit man she's he's creative i hate these people so much this alone is innovative solo sketch work that's chance to change the game at info wars it's very good but gaven he wasn't done with just a

pratfall and a misdirect i don't know if i can do this i when my notes got muddled up i ended up with the last page is that neil hamburgers i'm really sorry about this what are you doing up there neil man so nervous i'm like shaking because the stairs oh that's fantastic thank you so much man oh isn't it fucked up how they give away their play on a regular basis just so you understand what just went on gaven had an intern come up to him from the crowd and bring him a beer and then

some lines of coke presumably fake coke which he proceeds to snort on stage okay the goal of the bit is to have him pretend to be all nervous but then like papai getting a can of spinach he transforms into this strong confident self like his real self after getting his booze and cocaine you see it's comedy he's steve austin this is like christian shawl and kurt brown dollars to come out and be like christian shawl is a horse christian shawl is a horse steve austin stonkle didn't need the beers to become stonkle no you're right you're right you drank the beers after he kicked your ass it was important to do it afterwards how dare you i apologize see but the problem with the bit as gaven is doing it is how it ends up how it ends up working in practice is that gaven doesn't

really sell the post cocaine boost of energy that you heard at the end there it's underwhelming which is why there's a tepid response from the crowd and that undercuts the ability of this to work as a joke structure you got to go big that's kind of a problem because you're pretending to do cocaine to open your set and it kind of means that you need to be high the whole time or else you're basically signaling to the audience that your bit was bad and you've bailed on it yep also nothing more conservative than a grumpy former gang leader who's slowly drifting deeper into his openly sad drinking in public phase pretending to do cocaine as an emotional crutch at your show i kind of like it good solid messaging as as a as a completely contextless bit of a skull skull

duggery and for it no totally look if someone just told me hey gaven showed up at one of alex's events and pretended to do cocaine on stage i'd be like yeah okay all right okay good for him he's not taking it seriously but when i'm looking at it more holistically and i'm looking at it from the perspective of like you're trying to put on a show yeah don't do that the bit's got to work first of all first of all there's that the bit's got to work you got to commit to it you got to commit to it that's a huge problem that's number one on conceptual bits but then second the way that this is so incoherent and incongruous to the rest of the vibe that's been going on yeah he's jarring oh yeah it's a real problem who so anyway gaven was again as he's trying to be funny

like he started out trying to be a comic too oh yeah man so he but i wish my failure comic career had turned into a right-wing grift it would be so much easier we all should have made that move i know but um gaven gives up on the whole like cocaine's making me speedy thing because you know you got no response from the audience and yeah you can't really commit that so he just gets into talking about some dumb shit this has nothing to do with trump this has to do with you winning you fucking bullshit make cunt whoa or one of the most telling ones i ever saw they were talking about drag queen story hour in some small town and the teacher said the teacher who organized this thing said let's be honest parents often don't know what's best for their kids yeah the community

should decide what's best for their kids and i went oh i caught you looking i see what you're really about there so gaven is talking about examples of like the dems showing their cards and from everything i can tell i don't know what kind of apocryphal story he's talking here about here but i think i tracked it down what the base of this is and i think he's misrepresenting this from what i can tell this is about a state representative in missouri proposing the creation of a parental library review board which would be comprised of five adult community members the goal of the board would be to quote determine whether any sexual material provided to the public by the public library is age appropriate according to most people who've spoken about this bill from

the director of the american library association's office for intellectual freedom to various drag queen story hour participants this is actually an attempt to curtail free speech in public libraries and impose potentially harsh fines and even jail time on librarians whose libraries host events that five community members decide is inappropriate but is actually constitutionally protected yeah liberals want the community to decide and all conservatives want is for five people to decide well but this is the most recent most relevant example of the community deciding argument and it's very clearly an attempt to push back on the drag queen story hour if there's one thing i know about history is that it it treats people who burn books kindly sure yeah so here this is the

veneer of being something where the community takes over and decides what's good for your kid but in practice it's yet another attempt to do away with drag queen story hour through the process of community review boards gavin should be in favor of this since it works towards his goal but he's too much of a reactionary snowflake so he hears the words community review and it sets him off down a prescripted feigned outrage path there's a bit of this in that speech in this speech it's not great it's just like when alex was bitching about bill bar's line of and you're like no no no that's what you're supposed to want that's why you're just too stupid to even know what you want and that's why he hasn't continued down that exactly he's kind of like a fall he's like oh

okay never mind good point my bad this is the propaganda angle i'm just dumb yeah so there's a good bit of this in gavin's speech but more than that there are failed jokes oh and with free speech the agenda is clearly i want to control the story and when you see people being persecuted in this day and age it tends to be and this might be the coke talking because they're charming and funny and gorgeous like me woof that is a bit of a bit of silence there at the end man he's supposed to be a former comic yeah this is not good no that's not good no so he started the proud boys the the gang the proud boys do you love i know you love the proud boys anyway the man i'm just going to be silent

much like the audience is for him the the man hates the proud boys and they're mad at because they're a violent gang no no we all we hate all violent no no right no no we they're a violent gang nope we're against violent gangs no frankly we're against nonviolent gangs like the like the people who love the insane clown posse we're just against gangs like the insane clown posse i you make you make an interesting point that's not why though it turns out they were worried that the proud boys were going to make supporting trump look cool we started this club the proud boys as a fun silly men's club it still is and i think the left saw that as making trump cool making conservatism cool but more importantly eschewing shame i can't imagine the level of

self delusion that's required to think that the proud boys made supporting trump look cool it's a group of dudes who wear matching shirts whose group is named after a song in the Aladdin musical who spent their time whining about unknown respects the west anymore right it's a very sad group and about that eschewing shame thing that's bad how do we square that with the basic requirement for proud boy membership being they have to stop masturbating i can't think of anything that more screams of deep shame complexes than a weirdo failed comedian telling a street gang of disaffected young men that they have to stop jerking off to join him no onanism is wrong i know that when gavin says not feeling shame what he means is that privileged groups in society should feel

like we should be able to throw the c word around with no trouble they should be free to feel like they deserve the social benefits that have come from generations of denying minorities access to the economy or any semblance of social power his point is that white people shouldn't have to feel bad about the racist history of our country but i think the shame he really should be focusing on is him telling young dudes that if they want to be in his group they can't beat off psychologically that's a way more interesting thing than his run of the mill white identity leanings i cannot think of any famous psychiatrist to say that there is a lot of deep shit going on behind people saying don't masturbate i can't think of any really really famous psychiatrist

it's weird yeah so gavin's complaining about how like hey we should be focusing on muslims because they're all terrorists and they hate gays and that's what they say that we do and blah blah blah yeah but they the left and the globalists and the man they just want to demonize a red neck that's what they want to do okay and then this falls apart they want a red neck they live in some bizarre fantasy world some shitty movie on showtime oblivion can you asshole stop chatting your fucking head off please there we go hey shit for brains talking to nick hey you fucking limey shit for brains you want to chat go outside what are you doing here sounds like a swarm of bees nattering over there oh that's a failed comedian i agree shut the fuck up

here we go i'm listen this is gold you gotta shut up this set is a mess gavin obviously wants to be funny but he's also a super super angry dude which is a combination that very few people can pull off there's nick depolo and does he pull that off no he did for 20 years in the late 80s and 90s gavin spends his time on stage rambling his way through a convoluted story about how his proud boys are actually the victims of all the street fights they've gotten into how the courts are full of sjw judges and how he hopes anti for people get raped in prison snowflakes are mean to me and i hope they get raped because i'm not a snowflake it's horrible and it's a very it's very difficult to follow as a speech it's punctuated by increasingly

sad attempts at punchlines more so than anyone else who's come on stage so far gavin really does think he's funny he's a failed stand-up comic so i think he thinks he's got some of those skills still but man he doesn't i'm not going to play too many clips of his speech for a couple reasons the first is that it's almost incomprehensible and the stuff that he's saying about his gang members are things that i couldn't possibly confirm or deny if i wanted to things like jailhouse conversations a proud boy allegedly had with an antifa member who said that they have a group of high-priced lawyers on retainer i don't believe that but also there's nothing i can do with it the other reason that gavin uh the the other reason i don't want to talk about this all that

much more is that gavin is trying to be funny and his style of comedy is basically just saying offensive things and then basking in the orgasmic glow of having been edgy enough to say this bad word it's very lame and sad like he thinks he's lenny bruce because he said the t word in a room full of the most transphobic people you could ever gather together it's really the definition of someone doing an impression of what they think edgy looks like while doing the safest thing imaginable which in many ways is an apt description of this entire comedy wow and this summit as a whole i would say 60 percent of every open mic attendant i've ever seen it's a complete mess yeah but you heard alex interrupt there so you'd expect that gavin finishes his speech and then alex is up no

way two-man game now well no actually he uh uh gavin finishes uh and then rob do comes on jesus give it up for gavin mcganough oh no yeah i'm so excited yeah he's gonna be good shit yeah i know the only thing i don't like about gabin mcganis that he drink Budweiser i should point out by this point rob is wasted yeah he's very clearly drunk good for him all right um well the reason i'm up here is because uh alex jones has gone to bed you guys have you guys at least heard a shit ton of alex jones throughout the night please keep in mind that alex introduced gavin before his speech and interrupted in the middle of it

it's been like five minutes since the audience had seen alex on stage so it's some point between that and now alex has gone to bed i can only think of three possibilities for what happened and i'm going to rank them out from least likely to most likely okay so this is the first one you're gonna say is the least likely yes okay least likely alex legit passed out drunk yes he was definitely wasted and i don't think it's impossible but i see this is highly unlikely i've seen many episodes where alex has three sheets to the wind and it's bedtime but he keeps going alex gets drunk but he has a lot of staying power he's the guy who won't leave your party at four a.m when everyone else has already gone home but he has a theory about gremlins being predictive programming

that you have to listen to and he's that he's that guy listen i respect your stamina and i do want to hear what you have to say months from now please leave my home he doesn't go down please leave my home medium likely somewhat it informs probably owens since rob do is completely fucked up too told alex that he needed to call it a night he was at a point where something he said or did could cause real damage and the fact that mike flinn jr had shown up plus nick fuentes that may have given the streams a bit more attention than they would have gotten otherwise i see this as kind of possible that someone would have stopped alex from hurting himself by giving his headlining speech because it would have been a disaster but i also don't think that it's a sure thing because

alex particularly drunk alex doesn't listen to other people he's very stubborn and i feel like he's the kind of guy who would fight a bartender who tried to cut him off alex listen i look i think your speech is great but you spent the first 15 minutes of it arguing why the hard r is the only problem with you saying the n word so i mean i'm not saying it was a bad no look i know i know i know and look this is the audience for it i agree but we're just gonna we're just gonna just go to bed so most likely alex knew that he couldn't give a speech wasted in front of nick fuentes's fans the only possible outcome is trouble they're super conservative and their ideas are largely based on a lot of the same anti-left conspiracy bullshit that's grown out of the

remnants of the cold war shit but they also aren't into the same cartoonish idiocy that alex is nick fuentes is involved in something that aspires to be a political movement not just an entertainment empire where you can lie about headlines to sell dumb pills and his followers have a bit of the same seriousness to them which is something alex cannot engage with he can engage with just about any form of opposition from the left because he can just yell over them you can call them satanists and if all else fails yell something about how epstein didn't kill himself he cannot risk being attacked from the fringe right because if he does his whole act falls apart if these groepers start asking him for his positions on issues they care most about

namely israel and shutting down all immigration alex is going to look like not a real conservative and guess what when that happens none of his tricks work he can't paint them as satanists because they're america first conservatives he can't say they're secret globalists because nick's been banned from youtube and is a target of the media in theory he can't yell at them uh because that just makes him look weak in contrast to the smiling poise nick fuentes he can't throw his epstein didn't kill himself smoke bomb because they'll just be like totally agree so why shouldn't attack israel nick fuentes and the groepers are perhaps the biggest threat to alex's credibility right now and i think rather than mixing it up with them in a live stream he decided to go to bed

it's the right decision because alex doesn't need to be there he's made an ass out of himself trying to make the show entertaining and that was a failure but they don't need him dragging it out at the end with a dumb speech about his victimhood and crying about the military junta he seems to want to install he has a one shroyer there seemingly sober who the groepers like so he's not going to get the same kind of scrutiny that alex might he has rob do completely drunk to keep an eye on things he was right to go to bed even if they said like 20 times he was going to be the headline speaker and then he just disappeared kind of fucked up but i think it's the right decision because strategically in he's only loses oh no no he absolutely should he becomes the new charlie

kirk if he best steps 100 percent yeah no going to bed regardless of whether or not nick fuentes is there at all going to bed is a good idea well certainly but when you add that dangerous idea to stay with oh yeah in his fans there you can absolutely you can only end up alienating a block that you want to cultivate five years ago this rally is one filled to the brim and two alex can get shitfaced and ramble nonsense to close out for 20 minutes and everybody's just going to hoot and holler and have a great time maybe can't pull that off certainly not not with nick fuentes and the fucking a horseman of the apocalypse behind him so now that alex is gone that takes away a block of time yeah so what are they going to do q and a with the collars you bet hell yeah so

rob do is now introducing the q and a and he brings people up on stage nick fuentes get up here i have a gift for nick fuentes i know he's going to love this about i got a videotape this because changed his name to it's for it's uh all right here we go all right nick i'm going to present you this pin i want you to tell everybody what it says this is your gift zionism is a badge of honor opposite all right you like that yeah i'll put it he's gonna wear it no he's gonna badge of honor it's a badge of honor this endears rob to the aggressively anti zionist contingent in the crowd yeah so he's fine like you know and and rob isn't going to factor into the q and a hell so much so it's it's it's kind of a safe position to be besides we've already figured out do's news so we

don't need to worry about it the uh the the the q and a doesn't really kick off uh immediately because there's a lot of disorganization as you might expect and so there's people coming up on stage and like leaning into the mic um and so lee stranahan who's still there of course he is he decides to he's got nowhere else to be he decides to say a little something into the mic and then oh and shroyer um he he he missed on a joke earlier so he tries it again no can i i'm just gonna say this does oan look fabulous or not look at the pocket square look it matches the tie and that's oan you look fantastic there you go like i said just don't tell roger stone i forgot my belt at home today he'll take me off the best dress list do we have the mics working are we good

so he oh he tries that joke again it doesn't work again great um but now oan in his you know comparatively very level headed uh authority position now he takes over he's running the q and a okay and so it's much more competent hands uh but it's exactly what you'd expect most of the audience is nick fuentes his fans yeah and so therefore they are the ones who are asking the questions all right go ahead yeah go ahead so i have a question for mr fuentes so as he knows i asked is your dick too big to conservative ink a few months ago and never got an adequate response so i would like to give uh mr fuentes the leader of the america first movement an opportunity to answer my question adequately uh what is the america first position i'm giving

israel 3.8 billion dollars in aid every year and how is that in america's interest well yeah that's kind of kind of a softball question but i appreciate k alexander epic by the way the man who arguably started it all in colorado with that question so the person asking the question is a plant of nick's group alex couldn't have handled that no alex being asked what is the america first position on aid to israel he would waffle around and we're against the islam but also we're against he wouldn't come off the bad elements of judyism but also i think israel is a good base and we should have be in juicer Jerusalem and he wouldn't come off any better than people like charlie kirk do now to the eyes of these america first fuentes fans right so immediately

from the first question you see like oh this would have been a fucking disaster for alex good call alex right finally he's taken my advice and go to bed so they like i said it's disorganized as hell trying to do this uh this q and a yeah of course and so you know people can just bum rush the stage hey hey i'm daron bell i'm running for congress at a second district of vigenia second district of vigenia all right come to things we need to do first of all we need to get donald trump elected again and the united states need to take over vigenia i'm taking over jenia from a democrat from a democrat elaine luria okay she's well i won't say it i just said pos i'll be nice tonight okay i'll be nice a and to ask your question about about four and eight zero four and eight

zero from america okay god damn what is up with this rally and the doomed congressional candidates and they are everywhere this fellow is drone bell is running for the house in vigenia second district to be more clear he's one of four republicans will be competing in the g.o.p primary in june if i had to put a bet on it i don't think bell is winning that thing you don't think so one of his opponents scott taylor is a former member of the house and a former vigenia delegate those things look pretty good on a resume in a g.o.p primary but we'll see things how things go i should be clear though this election is not happening until 2021 this dude is bum rushing this q and a session he's getting a real head start you're out yeah peter geobruska should take

notes good for it good for him yeah yeah yeah he's going to make that 90 day limit yeah really sure really easily so drone bell answered the candidate's questionnaire for ballot pedia about some of his positions and these answers sometimes seem a little bit weird oh yeah he was asked what his quote very first job was and his answer was quote working for the ident division for the fbi how is that possible that was his first ever job that's strange he's an intern i don't know did they have an internship program anyway bell is a hard line anti-immigrant candidate there he's just he's received some support from the white nationalist circles including faith goldy he's running on a platform of shutting down all immigration to the united states which is a very

dumb idea apparently based on this uh drop in speech he's also in favor of stopping all us foreign aid which is tantamount to calling for the deaths of millions of people around the world this ron paul ass endorsement of passive slaughter under the guise of why should we pay for it is the stuff of monsters hiding behind poorly constructed fiscal arguments i would bet everything i own that he's going to lose that primary and if you're keeping score that's about zero for six on the congressional hopefuls uh that alex has had on this absurd rally they're not doing good no no so we get back to the q and a and what do you know it's another nick fuentes fan asking a softball question to nick does it help us win the culture war that's the question i should be clear

he's asking about does uh supporting homosexuality does uh embracing and accepting uh just people being gay help uh the right hey it's 2020 i'm gonna lob you a softball question real easy let's just throw this one up there does it help us win the culture war that's the question yes or no it doesn't it it does not it's oh shit why are you murdering the catcher why what did you do and it doesn't belong here you know i like c p booted judge i was watching something the other day with p booted judges husband chaston no and stop please look i don't want to get graphic or anything but it's just gross we just don't need that it's not christian it's not natural it's not conservative it has no place so i'm willing to say that charlie kirk isn't

you know who else isn't alex yeah this is a perfect example of a curveball question that alex cannot afford to have to answer he spent a lot of his time cultivating a character that blurs the lines of outright homophobia and an insistence that he's a libertarian i don't care who you go to bed with you go to bed with a man you go to bed with a woman you go to bed with two at the same time doesn't matter to me one of nick's followers directly asking if accepting homosexuality does any good in terms of winning the culture war that poses a real challenge to someone like alex it's clear from the raucous response when nick says that homosexuality is gross that that was the correct answer according to the groepers so if alex had a non-committal

political answer that maintains his wishy washy stance on the issue they would not find that acceptable if he said that accepting homosexuality was good he'd clearly be walking into a trap where he would then have to defend how that is a conservative position if he answered that homosexuality was bad and as nick said it has no place he runs the risk of further alienating himself from the base that he has that desperately needs to cling to the idea that alex is not a bigot himself no answer to that question serves alex's interests so he cannot be there he cannot be involved in this that's a smart move in alex's absence this q and a session can turn into nick's followers asking him softball questions that they already know the answers to and when he gives

the desired answer they all cheer in effect this event has been fully taken over this isn't a q and a session for anyone except nick who's giving all the a's to cues being posed by his followers he is fully co-opted this event yep it's remarkable honestly uh yeah i mean but but what's what's interesting to me is that it is essentially calling out the people who have been exploiting latent uh if not explicit bigotry and homophobia serena for lying about not being supporting you big yeah yeah like no no i no i'm totally bigoted i know i hate well i don't hate gay people you can't hate gay people no i mean no i've been telling you that i hate gay people but you can't they're just all they're doing is just being

people oh shit no i've cultivated a audience of monsters haven't i ye guess i went to bed yeah i am introducing nick fuentes to the info wars audience like i don't i don't know what alex's audience even really is anymore how big they are or what the only possible thing that can happen is nick convincing them that alex is to milk toast and he doesn't actually have the principles that he pretends to have absolutely it's uh it's fucked up and if it continues like if it keeps going which i think would be a huge mistake on alex's part but i don't think he i think he's in a position where he can't not still support nick because the implicit threat of his fans turning on him yeah it alex has accidentally backed himself into like a really dangerous position

for his own position and stake in the conservative world yeah like it it's um it's it he's fucked it is it is really reminiscent of like uh of i mean again it's it's so reminiscent of reagan where it's all of these people are suddenly creating this insurgence based around a political class that has been exploiting their homophobia without making it explicit always always constantly just like hey you know those people with the with the hiv do you have it you know you know those people like that kind of thing without ever explicitly saying it and now they're forcing people to actually come down on it and they're like guys we can't actually hate these people which then gives firepower to the other side that's like you weren't really

to the principles when you say rhino what you mean is you're not actually a bigot that's what we really wanted out of you you were lying to us about being a bigot you liar yep and i honestly think that what nick fuentes is doing will probably not have staying power i think it'll probably be like in the same way that like in 2011 2012 looking at the tea party you'd think like this is going to be here forever yeah you know because you're in the middle of it right i don't think that what nick is doing is uh going to be the next ascendant part of the right or anything like that no no no i agree but it does have a lot of potential to disrupt a lot of things and it also has the potential to strengthen and reinforce a lot of the worst parts yeah

which could have an effect but that doesn't i don't know i'm not bought into the idea that that he is the next rising star that's going to be here the next uh william f buckley type although you'd probably be mad if i said that yeah yeah yeah he didn't hate gay people enough right so i mean i don't i don't think that that's the case but i think that because we're in the present day and because you know we're people who follow alex i have to recognize that this is an existential threat to alex yeah and that's why you don't work with people like this yeah this is why you have some kind of a standard of like no getting involved here is only going to be trouble uh you should not engage because when you engage you open up the

possibility for them to completely fuck yeah yeah absolutely they're they're running a different grift they're running it's so funny because it is that like they're so hard right they're doing exactly the same thing the a ld the anti defamation league is doing where it's like alex for so long is like no no no i'm not racist they're either unfairly painting me as racist and then the guys on the right are like oh you're not racist then you're full of shit it's basically time to pay the fiddler like yeah they're just they're just shining a light on whether or not you're actually racist like and it's almost it's almost inevitable yeah put up or shut up are you racist or not and alex like because of whatever desperation he has or whatever is brought it

upon himself and i think it's interesting i really think that the psychodrama that i was describing at the beginning of this episode about this speech yeah has a lot to do with the fact that in the it's depressing as hell at the beginning because there's no one there and these people are fucking ding dongs and losers and then as it goes along nick flentes his fans show up and really change the character of what's going on now at the same time because it was so depressing at the beginning alex is fucking wasted and he's in no position to deal with any of this stuff i don't even know if he could sober but drunk absolutely not yeah and so like the tip of the spear like the king of the americana movement he goes to bed it's great it's great it's just such perfect

like it's exactly the payoff you would expect yeah it reminds me and like i've run shows before where it wound up being that the feature act brought like 15 people sure and the people who showed up not for the feature act were like four and then everybody leaves because the feature act oh no i got to go do a different show all 15 people the headliner is no one the headliner just sitting there going like i wish i was like alex jones right now and i could just go to bed well also that's what you saw with gavin when he yelled at everybody like it's that it's that they're not here for me but i have to follow the guy they are here for yeah that's not good and they're not leaving because there's an open bar so i mean that's open bar takes precedence yeah

frankly i would still be there if there was an open bar i'm sad i didn't get to go yeah i would just to feel this live would have been outstanding i i don't know if i might have cried i don't know if i could have been in the room no this would have been brutal watching it on a video was plenty terrible if i was there and you saw the video you could definitely hear my cackle at all the wrong points yeah so we have one last clip yeah it's the the q and a session has gone the way it has and it's it's mostly uh nick fuentes his fans asking him questions yeah that highlight the differences between themselves and all the rest of conservatives which again not in alex's interests owen is hosting it and they get another question and it's not a question it's a guy grabbing

the mic and screaming directly into it about how julien sange needs to be pardoned sure owen listens to this for a little bit and then this is how the event ends i need the limiters on this to fight for one because when he is gone we are gone all right guys all right listen hey listen we got to shut this down thanks everybody for coming i want to thank the speakers here tonight and just like that that was it free speech summit ends with someone yelling something into the mic and then them being like we got to shut this down the whole thing that's it and then they if they all just left they left because you can see from the video the mics cut off and then people are milling about talking sure sure you know like it doesn't clear out

immediately but like the the yeah the show is over the dais left i don't know about that even people are still standing on stage but you see that it shows sometimes yeah yeah like it's not yeah i don't know the mics are off so you can't really tell what anybody's doing people just milling around talking shooting the shit talking people this uh this summit was uh an embarrassment this is a disaster yeah there's so much stuff that's like really pretty funny though and also very sad like it's it's i just lived through tightest andronicus like this is how it's just fed his family this is a fucking tragedy it is if you're alex it is like you like he has to be really worried now because he's invited into his own space and into his own world the element that

could i mean like we we could maybe have some sort of an influence on his audience that they're like wait he's lying about stuff yeah but that's kind of unlikely but the element of nick and these people who are like you're not real conservatives we are real concerned well you don't put it that you don't put it that way no no of course you frame it in terms of the language of like he doesn't really care about these issues that are conservative that could do some serious damage to him and he's invited it into his own home and boosted it and elevated it because he thinks he can get something out of it and he can't that road is blocked yeah he's not getting info warriors from the groepers right but the groepers could get alex's audience to radicalize

towards them i will say this directly to alex uh as a cautionary tale you know those uh sith who give you that great theme song you know the sith you love so much the point is the padawan is destined to kill the master that is how the sith operate you need to know this plan ahead that's fair enough i still i i mean alex is resilient like a kaga roach so i don't think that he's going to be destroyed by this but it's going to make his job much harder like i i think that info wars is resilient enough that he's going to be able to navigate this in some form but i i do think that it could um if things keep going the way they're going it could force him into situations where he has to make positions that he's been wishy washy and vague

about in the past and that vagueness is very politically useful to him yeah the the disappearance of that vagueness creates a like that because one of the things that the groepers are specifically aiming to do is nail people down on positions yeah so for alex to have to be nailed down on something like we should get rid of all foreign aid to israel right what else does that imply how does that change the rest of your coverage what what else comes from that or even getting rid of all legal immigration right what comes from that where where does how does your like your coverage have to change um it's a it's a it's a challenge he's not up to and it could cut down on his bottom line at a time when he really needs as much as he can so i mean we'll

see i have no idea but i had a interesting time and a weird psychological roller coaster watching this and i'm glad to be able to share some of it with you not so much the failed congressional candidates and now they'll be some of those bombers i think they'll be okay anyway i think what's fascinating is that you've really put down a a great case for um for the the crisis point only being able to come from the right i think i think that's probably you know you know what i'm saying like there's no there's no pressure that the left could put on alex to nail him down on aid to israel or whatever it is not really he can always just but coming from an ascendant talent like um uh fuentes particularly his own fucking house and particularly with an organic base of

people behind him yeah yeah yeah without that nick wouldn't have as much right power or ability to do these things as he does but because he has a bunch of people and if you look at the room alex doesn't sure isn't that funny yeah it does create a relative power imbalance absolutely it's the it's the purity test of the bigot and alex will inevitably fail that if he sticks to what he's been doing forever right or force himself into satisfying that purity test and then he becomes more overtly a bigot no that's the dangerous thing yeah it's like the it's like the ironic adl of look the adl can point out all the ways that you're a racist but only racist can make you say it only racist can be like are you a racist or not that's an interesting axiom yeah yeah

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