Knowledge Fight - #414: Bill Cooper's Ambitiously Bad Idea

Episode Date: April 1, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take a break from Alex Jones to take a look at a fun little stretch from the career of Alex's predecessor, Bill Cooper. In this installment, the gents discuss the time that Bill decided that he and his listeners were going to buy a giant media conglomerate and thereby save America.

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well update it for our specific stuff. But yes, Dan, indeed we are. Uh-huh. Dan. Yeah, Dan, what up? I got a question for you. Okay. What's a bright spot you got? Well, interesting. You should bring that up. I have actually someone brought this to my attention a little bit ago, and I try not to go on it too much because it seems naval gaze-y-ish and a little uncomfortable, but I think it's really cool and I want to give a shout out to it. That is someone created a Reddit, a subreddit about the show. Oh, really at reddit dot com slash r slash knowledge fight. Okay. There's a knowledge fight board where people, you know, have a conversation about various things. So I'm screams too much. Yeah, I can only imagine that's a frequency source of

conversation. People coming up and talking about, you know, the various things that come up in the show. It's really cool. That is really cool. I also, I don't think it was from this, but someone did send me a message that we also actually predicted the coronavirus. Of course we did. It might be something that has come up on the Reddit board. I'm not sure, but of course we have so in that episode that we did where a dude who's mad at Kerry Cassidy interviews a time traveler, he talks about how was it Martin Luther King's granddaughter or great granddaughter is going to be president, but she wouldn't be the right age. Yeah, and so we discussed how the political realignment would need to happen for that to happen. And one of the things was a massive

of a disease that mostly kills older people and so I've got multiple messages from people who are like you guys predicted this and also these time travelers are right. That sounds right. The time travelers are right. So we may owe these time travelers an apology. So funny. Yeah, of course we would accident. Alex tries so hard to predict everything and he's always wrong and naturally we were joking. Of course about what the surrounding context of this like 19 year old becoming president would be. I'm actually kind of excited. I bet she's going to be great at the job. I don't know. Hopefully she's a little young. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough at that age, but we'll see. Anyway, what's your bright spot? I'm going to go with and I don't mean this to be too

blanket, but documentaries Dan love documentaries. I might be too blanket. Now it's too blanket. Now specifically I've been watching Tiger King. No, no, no, although every I did everyone. Everybody did. You didn't know. I don't have a password, but I already kind. I you get it. I know it's not that. I remember I reached. I looked into that story a while back, like when it was making the rounds right right on blogs and stuff. I remember a lot of the details of it. I was going to dismissively say I already know, but I'm sure there's so much stuff. I have no idea about insane. I'll get around to it. Don't worry about it. All right, you're not going to you. Don't worry about the national discourse. No, no, specifically like really, really specific,

really specific documentaries, like just a one of them is a fastball, which is just a documentary entirely about the fastball, not the band. No do saying where are they going? Yeah, where are they going without ever knowing without ever knowing the way they made up the man. God that song was everywhere. It was huge. Where's fastball? I don't know. I gotta be honest. I don't. I haven't heard that song a long time. We're hating it making documentaries. I love that song. I do also like hyper specific documentaries or the ones that I love were the books, the micro history books. Yeah, salt that book just about salt right right. Yeah, no. There's so many interesting stories like and and then there was just this one that's

been this podcast is kind of a micro history. I think it kind of is, isn't it? Of course we're fascinated with micro histories. No, there's one that was just released on YouTube made by this guy just about how one guy had all of the record high score or fastest times for Mike Tyson punch out and it's a story about and the entire community of Tyson punch out fans. Yeah, that's a real niche going going hard and like we're going to find a way to beat this guy's scores. Yeah, and when they do it at the end of this documentary, I'm like yeah you did it. It's I need sports. I need sports back in my life. I want baseball Dan. I want baseball back in my recently you were talking about getting really excited watching people like play Mario Mario.

I just I need sports. I need competition. Well, you'll get it. Somebody play tennis for me for my amusement one day soon Jordan, but it's great. Thank you to everybody who's involved over there at the Reddit board and watch some documentaries. Yeah, absolutely. So Jordan today. We got an interesting episode sort of wacky Wednesday. Gonna talk about some non Alex Jones related like it stuff. I like it before we get to that. Gotta take a moment to say thank you to the folks who signed up and are supporting the show. So first of Mike W. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Mike. Thank Mike. Next Casey. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks Casey. Thank you. Next Anthony. Thank you so much. You're

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support these gents do. You can do that by going to our website knowledge fight dot com. Click the button says for the show or you could find a nice local charity or something like that to donate to. Absolutely. We would appreciate that in spirit. Yep. So Jordan today got an interesting thing to talk about. What's that? We're going to talk a little bit about Bill Cooper. Okay, now we've talked a little bit about Bill Cooper on the show in the past and how he's clearly one of Alex's heroes in the period where Alex was just getting started in media. I have a very strong drive to do a lot more coverage about Bill since I find him fascinating. But one of the problems I've run into is the bill show is often pretty fucking dry. A lot of it is him reading long

drawn out passages from his own book or a letter from one of his listeners who's a member of his dumb intelligence gathering operation catchy. You combine that dryness with how completely out of line. Alex's show has been in the past few months and you have a recipe for me not having the kind of time I need to create the kind of Bill Cooper content. I think our audience deserves rest assured though. Those episodes will come hopefully soon in my exploration of Bill. There's a whole lot of exactly what you expect. There's a whole lot of old school conspiracy theory. There's a lot of pretty extreme right wing me malicious sensibilities. There's an overwhelming sense of distrust of most of the other people in the militia media landscape. That's what you supposed to do

what you expect right. I've noticed that one of the things that I resonate most with in terms of doing the show is not the expected but the peculiar. The ways in which Alex is similar to Bill Cooper are largely uninteresting. They both love guns. They hate taxes. They have shockingly low standards of evidence for absurd things they want to believe and report as truth. What interests me far more is the ways in which Alex is a worse version of the person he's emulating. On our last episode about Bill we experienced how much more competent Bill is at presenting information. He actually plays the role of someone trying to prove something as opposed to Alex who just yells about nonsense and insists it's been proven already. Go look it up right in the white paper. Alex is basically

always saying like Bill did it but without saying that exactly further. We saw how much better Bill was at broadcasting how he clearly planned his shows out in advance and incorporated music into the show to reinforce themes. Today we're going to look at another difference that I found between Alex and Bill. This difference is a strategic difference and it's one that makes me think that Bill was pretty sincere about his relief beliefs regardless of how dumb they are and best guided his ideas are. The difference begins in a similarity. Starting out their careers both Bill Cooper and Alex Jones had to know that the odds were not in their favor. They both had views and politics that are not really welcome in mainstream conversation. So the odds of them getting a widely syndicated

radio show like Rush Limbaugh or getting a TV show on an actual network incredibly slim. We've seen that Alex responded to this difficulty by trying to create his own empire. He got a little bit of foothold. He started in you know the local access TV show and then he got a radio show because his dad agreed to pay for advertising and then from there now he pulled himself up by his bootstrap stand from there. He found a crazy dude in in Ted Anderson who had a gold sales operation that needed a pitch man. Alex rose through the ranks through that publicity stunt after publicity stunt along the way. He managed to create a cottage industry for himself, but at no point would you ever get the sense that he's not what's important right. Alex is info wars. Yes Alex is the head

of the Liberty movement. Alex is the man who mainstreamed at nine eleven truth right Alex caused Brexit. Alex is like it's all about him. He's a megalomaniac. Yes, yes, and all of the all the trappings everything around it is in service of building up this greater thing info war. Yeah, he's he's monetized delusions of grandeur true. Yeah, but the strategy is born out of that megalomania and his strategy is specifically create your thing. Yeah, he knows that he has no place in mainstream world. He's never going to have a column in the New York Times. Right. He's never going to be on Salem Broadcasting like we syndicate all these other sort of mainline conservative talkers. He's never going to be on Fox News. He's never going to have

a job in a place of cultural legitimacy. Right, so he knows I have to create my own thing. I believe that Bill Cooper is really interesting because he saw a broader picture than Alex. He had to create his own thing in the same way that Alex did. So he wrote Behold the Pale Horse and it became an underground classic. He started his own radio show that ended up becoming the this shortwave broadcast hour of the time and by October nineteen ninety three. He was at a point where he realized there are other ways to do this. I'm never going to get my own show somewhere else and maybe I have a limitation in terms of how big I can make this without turning into what Alex is right. I may be assuming that's what he thought. I don't I don't

know entirely but on October fifteenth nineteen ninety three Bill Cooper launched an initiative on his show that I think is one of the most interesting things that a conservative right wing militia weirdo would ever think to do. Tonight we're going to talk about the media that you and I the listeners and the people here who produce the hour of the time are going to purchase folks and we are going to do that. So Bill Cooper has realized correctly that he has no place in mainstream shit. He's built his thing and his audience up to a certain point best strategy by the media. Yes, that's the trick. You if you're the boss you are on your own show. Alex is proof of that. Alex would never think to do this or it wouldn't be something

that he would want to do. Bill Cooper is like all right look. I don't like the media. We can change that. All we have to do is buy it which so so he's saying that he wants a large group of people to pull their money together in order to achieve a goal that's not possible by himself. Well look the well sure there is that but the the interesting thing is it's very unclear what his plan is as he launches this initiative. Okay, but it is very clearly ambitious. Yes, that's yeah. Yeah, so he he the whole media. No, no, just just a major conglomerate. Yeah, so he he starts out here on the 15th of 1993 in October by talking about why you would want to do this and it's because the media has destroyed so you must reclaim it to rebuild. Okay, it is it is absolutely

necessary for us to take back this country since the media has been the main element it appears to me and it's destruction then it also appears to me that we need to get control of the media. The only way to do that in a capitalistic republic is to purchase the media. He's not wrong. That is exactly ladies and gentlemen what we are going to do. Now he's wrong. God so again we find a thematic song being used to open the show in this case it's wingers track from the Bill and Ted soundtrack battle stations some choice lyrics from that song take no prisoners

open fire battle stations someone's trying to brain wash me battle stations wild stagius it's the season to resist pre programmed morons computer sleaze it's not nearly as fun of a song is make it big but it's definitely an intentional choice the bill is making like the fucking someone's trying to brain wash me battle stations like you're talking about buying the media you of course it's great he's he's doing what he does bill is interesting because he seems like a real lyrics guy you know like he doesn't particularly have a genre of music no play the fucking deep cut from the beach boys and now winger exactly it's it's not about the music it's just like man this guy is saying it like it is i think he might actually like like dead press or something like

that he might be surprisingly like yeah turn off the radio turn off that bullshit we'll never know no one asked him back then what he thought about stick man but so bill gets back to talking about this and in this episode here on october 15th bill doesn't know which company he wants to buy right but he knows that he wants him and his audience to buy a giant company right right so he starts by talking about paramount okay stations group consists of k r r t tv in san antonio k x t a tv in dallas k x t h tv in houston w d c a tv washington dc w l f l tv riley durham in carolina w t x f tv in philadelphia madison square garden the arena the new york nickerbockers basketball club the new york rangers hockey club the s ro pace motorsports

and they own 65 percent of the mission universe pageant auto thrill shows and publishing they own allen and bacon computer curriculum corporation linden press pocket books pocydon press princess hall q silver bird at jen simon and shoester and zebra ladies and gentlemen this is one of the companies that we are considering purchasing now i'm going to tell you what we really have to consider more than anything else is how many shares can we purchase with our dollars today paramount communications incorporated closed on the new york stock exchange at 77 dollars per share they have 118 million shares outstanding to be effective and control the policy and the output of any corporation we must own a minimum of 10 percent of the outstanding stock

so paramount pictures ladies and gentlemen or paramount communications which owns paramount pictures is within the realm of our doing i think there might be some faulty assumptions there so i don't know i didn't i didn't go back and check like stock prices or anything but i'm just going to assume those numbers are accurate sure i still don't think if you have ten percent of the shares you have controlling interest in a company like paramount usually how and then if you have ten percent of the business of paramount you now control the nicks yeah yeah that's how it works i don't know about this i'm pretty sure that's how it works but even if all that's true what he's suggesting is absurd to purchase ten percent of the shares and paramount using his

figures you would need to scare up 847 million dollars and that's in 1993 dollars so if everybody gives a dollar it only takes a hundred and eight eight hundred and forty seven million people to come together and buy dude that's over 1.5 billion in today's money and he thinks this is something that's an option it's in the realm of possibility so at this point he's still not clear what he's suggesting like is it everyone send in money and then i can buy ten percent of the shares right saying you should buy it's unclear that is yeah but it's very weird so the paramount is one option but there's one company that is not an option turn your broadcast because they don't own enough via calm incorporated 56 and an eight to close that today 120 million shares outstanding according

to our um taji report and uh we have to put it on the back burner because it doesn't own enough but it is in the media business via calm it's on the back it doesn't know it doesn't know too much via come not on bill coopers radar to buy it's too small man see now that's where he was wrong what you got to do is you got to get down on the ground floor you know whenever via calm only has 120 million shares at fifty eight dollars that's when you buy because now now look at where we are via comm owns everything so i would say that was a miss on his part but i will give bill credit to an extent and that is he does know his limitations general electric corporation that's too big ninety six dollars at the close today they have eight hundred and sixty four

million shares outstanding is out of our reach yes yes yeah yeah you cannot buy general electric that's true i'm going to agree with him on this one that is true a rare instance where hubris isn't complete yeah i know somehow his limitations are like wow fifty a share with 120 million too low ninety a share with eight hundred million that's too high it's not about seventy seven a share at 118 million that's where we're at that's a sweet spot i think it is about the money with general electric they have too many shares outstanding yeah or whatever his math doesn't work out right but with general electric it wasn't i'm sorry with via calm it wasn't about the money no it was about they they're not big enough it's too small small potatoes exactly they don't own enough they're not

in that goldilocks range ridiculous of a so there's a problem with bill's plan which he still hasn't really spelled out exactly yet but what the problem is that once he starts putting this into action and once they take control of a media entity yes what's going to happen is that the establishment is going to sabotage them yes you can understand that when the establishment figures out what we are about what we are doing there will be efforts to deny us business unions may go on strike corporations that are owned by them such as champion international corporation may all of a sudden not have newsprint to furnish to our newspapers if we have newspapers so once we take control of these conglomerates that own newspapers we will dictate all the terms right

what goes in those right and as a way of fighting back the people who supply the supplies yeah to create newspapers will probably not give us unions might strike i would say maybe they would if you're just trying to force them to print militia propaganda i think that would probably be a good reason to strike they i don't know this is silly i like i we're like twenty minutes into this episode and i'm already realizing like this is nonsense if i were talking to bill one i would say worrying about the establishment reaction is putting the cart before before the horse big time yeah i'm going to go with that one we need to focus on the early planning stages that's what i'm saying to you right now and especially planning especially since at this point in the

episode he hasn't really made clear what the plan is no i think he's declared himself king of america i can't stress this enough he's sitting there on this episode like really looking over these gigantic companies and it seems like a guy talking about like we could own all this like you're a kid looking at a catalog yeah like i could order any of these things absolutely like it's it's skymall he's talking he's treating american companies like skymall it feels like that and he doesn't seem to recognize that just because this is the parent company it doesn't mean that all of the decisions of the constituent companies are dictated by the board right of the parent company right they're still like they're more interested in just owning things right

they're not interested in running things if they want to run things they would run a business right or let's say like x company is owned by y company x company is incredibly profitable and doing well yeah y company is not going to change what x company does and risk it becoming no unprofitable militia propaganda it's very strange look that's what so strange problem with the new york times has always been not enough militia propaganda wall to wall what i do appreciate is the blind ideal is yeah it is nice it is it's aspirational and in these times that we find ourselves in here in 2020 i'm danis 2020 dammit it becomes a thing where that kind of thing could be very refreshing yeah and i appreciate it a little bit no i said king of america but it does

remind me of that guy in san francisco who just declared himself king of america where it's just like man you took such a big swing that people are around you just going like you're crazy but you know what i'm all for you i knew a guy back in columbia missouri who was a vagrant a drunk guy on the streets yeah all the time we've talked about the king of columbia and everybody would salute him like oh king he was i think he was kind of an asshole but probably people did humor him a bit anyway in his next clip bill suggests another company that they might buy and i think this is where he starts to get into the nuts and bolts of how this would work okay and this is dumb cbs incorporated closed today on the new york stock exchange at two hundred and seventy two dollars

and five eighths dollars per share with 13 million outstanding shares it's a lot that is a 13 million outstanding shares which means all we would need one million three hundred thousand americans to buy one share at two hundred and seventy two dollars and five eighths if it stays at two hundred and seventy two dollars and five eighths and we would own ten percent of cbs incorporated when the rest of america found out what we were doing i can guarantee you ladies and gentlemen they would jump on the bandwagon and we could possibly own much much more maybe even as much as twenty thirty percent of cbs incorporated this is outrageous yep yep yep so the plan is everybody in the audience go ahead and buy one share and then we will all collectively oh see now they're

coordinating of a couple million people is probably going to be prohibitive all right it's going to be difficult to get all on the same page in terms of making decisions so doesn't that mean that all 1.3 million americans have an equal share together and their opinions are all equally valid but you would assume they would all act as one they would have to right which is a bad assumption yeah if i know anything about conspiracy theorists they agree about everything i was i was just thinking like conspiracies are crazy because it's it's pretending like ten thousand people like the globalists are so many people and it's so implausible that that number of people would act as one without anybody sharing the detail and he's like okay let's ramp it up to 1.3 million people sure

what an insane good idea bill that is great so there's that and then there's the assumption that once people figure out what we're doing the other stockholders will get on board with us now that's why i was thinking the complete fucking opposite of right because then you're like ninety percent of people who view you as a hostile takeover exactly why would they it's so just it's so dumb i love it also just that like there are laws the company so just you know i mean it is legal to buy stock in it is legal to buy stock in things but it's not like a controlling share yeah that's also considered that like they like businesses understand that things like this can happen yeah not like this no not like this but someone coming in and buying up a bunch of stock

and like a hostile takeover yeah there are things that businesses can do they can offer more stock they can have stock buybacks and so like there are there are processes that like defensive mechanisms yes that businesses can have to avoid corporate piracy can you imagine is the best can you imagine the headlines that if he did successfully get one point three yes exactly all right wing will the show gets a one point three million people together and out of business immediately all the audience spent all their money on stock and now can't support the business holy shit it's just the swing that's a big swing that's a big swing i love bill cooper so much

because he's such a den of surprises like there's these things like it's just he is not an idiot but this is dumb this is fucking dumb it's i it's the kind of thing that i used to think when i was a kid yeah absolutely i used to mow lawns when i was a kid and i legitimately thought i can remember this viscerally thinking i'm going to make a business out of this and this is going to make me thousands of dollars right i had like a printed out sheet of paper with prices for like sizes of lawns and trimming hedges and stuff like i i have the ability i have the labor people have a need why wouldn't they pay me to do mow their yards of course i was like looking at people's lawns and i was like all right there's 20 lawns on this block right right a couple hundred bucks

every week to they need lawns mode every week absolutely and the plan made total sense because i was a fucking kid this is how it feels to me this idea that like i had a million people sign my petition if those million people all buy two hundred fifty dollars worth of stock and somehow all coordinate i will own cbs do you know it reminds me more of when i had the idea to talk to a few of my friends and i was like okay none of us can afford a nintendo on our own but if we pool our money together we can share it and that's between like five people and the more i thought about it the more i was like who gets it when right and thus begins the troubles you know like you're going to fuck up if this trouble will be resolved later yes poorly

but god damn it's but whatever the case both of those examples we have are when we were kids because this is not adult thing an adult you're like oh no a pie in the sky thought is fun and it's filled with hope and as we all know the governors are trying to get rid of hope well it's also it's also providing us with this fun decades later so i appreciate that yeah thank you bill so cbs is in the running general electric is out viacombs out not enough not enough not big enough paramount is in play it's possible and also you brought this up earlier turner broadcasting is of course oh of course it is

our agenda is turner broadcasting system extremely attractive for all of us as well within our reach well in the new york stock exchange at 25 and 70 dollars per share it's nothing 176 million shares outstanding now don't let the 176 million shares scare you at 25 and 78 dollars per share there's no one in this country who really loves and cares about this country who could not afford to buy eight shares disagree but you may not be able to do it today but you could certainly do it in a month simply by setting aside some money or two months we're going to do this ladies and gentlemen he doesn't even bring up the ted turner is crazy i know i was i was when i when he said tbs i was a turner broadcasting i was like

ted might be crazy enough to be sold on this idea now ted's politically the other direction yeah that's true but also that's true he does bring up that they own the wcw which is great that's good but 93 is before like the new new new world or right so he was probably an old school hulk guy i think in 93 hogan was in wwf no i mean him like coming out yeah i bet bill was a old school hulk hogan guy well who is he going to root for a foreigner i would think sergeant slaughter but then he turned his back on america that's the problem who's the who's the most jingoistic character probably hulk yeah it had to be hulk yeah at that time yeah so turner broadcasting in play also another entity that you may not have heard of before but is a big entity they own the

usa today gannett is also in play gannett company incorporated gannett is the largest newspaper group in the united states headquartered in arlington virginia gannett owns and operates 81 daily and more than 50 non-daily newspapers with average daily circulation topping 1.8 million the company's usa today is second only to the wall street journal so we're talking about a major major corporation here in the media possibly too big yeah do you know what's crazy this whole thing now that i'm thinking about it this is shockingly similar to cinclair media what do you mean i mean the way that cinclair media has bought up all of these local news stations slowly and gradually over time and now

from the top is directing them to no no right wing you're talking about is the exact opposite oh yeah you're right never bite if bill was like all right for eighty five dollars i can get this station in the middle of nowhere and then kept doing that yeah that would be like cinclair you know maybe he should have done that his plan was worse look like i said bill's not an idiot but this is done this is very done this is done so we got gannett is in the play in the running turner broadcast i'm amazed at how specific he is well he has is like he has his intelligence agency kaji doing their research for it i'm it's like i'm looking at this and it's like this sounds like he has a clear eyed plan to accomplish this shit all of the information

he's just reading off something that one of his listeners sent out like the the he does bring up that kaji did all the all the figuring out what these can glomer its own and all that right so he's just working off the the team okay i got you so we got another entity that's in the running we got another plan uh-huh his time Warner incorporated it's even better folks even better better don't you just love it forty one and three eight dollars per shell share let me say that again so nobody's confused forty one and three eight dollars per share with ninety three million shares outstanding well i was standing our reach how many shells are outstanding um insane so time Warner insane insane so just so well within our reach has

never been stretched to the breaking point more yeah but i first heard that i was like what the fuck is wrong with you what do you think is you're wrong with you time Warner is within our well within our reach it's the thing that gets me is the well within our reach like within our reach is suggest you're like you know what we can do this but it's going to be a struggle well within our reach is like guys we could do this tomorrow if we wanted to no big deal like i'm not trying to be a dick and say like no one listens to bill because he's very popular at this point he's a whole hero for his book and like he is it like maybe it's too strong to say the king of short wave but he's a pretty big yeah he's a pretty big name in conspiracy right wing

militia short wave radio so like he does not have an unsubstantial audience but he's what he's way too big for his bridges here like this is a situation where like time Warner buying it is ten percent of the company is within our reach is just like you are you think way higher than you are you you are out of pocket this is the first time that it's like i'm really like there's alex that like idea of like oh i'm not at look i have a world leaders i have a big audience but no my audience is billions of people like that kind of shit and i think that's one of the reasons why i wanted to do this episode is because as you go along you see a little bit more of alex in this and it's not it's it's interestingly not on a content level it's very much on a on a

make a low maniac level yeah kind of yeah yeah but it expresses slightly differently right and i think one of the things that's really interesting about this is bill's basic idea is smart yes the idea that like okay i might have a limitation in this empire that i can build myself right but the problem that i see is that the media doesn't report things in a way that i view as accurate yeah how can i change the media that is good thinking absolutely the way he decides to go about it alexi and dumb yeah but the thought is a is a smart thought i mean how would you if you diagnose the problem as the media is lying all the time why wouldn't you want to do something to change it right my misguided but whatever frustration here is that as far as i understand

his principles the idea of one point three million people coming together and pooling their money collectively is anathema to them that's a union he's creating a union there is a problem there and i i i would caution you to ignore that just because fair enough you'll get bogged down too easily right i'm sorry but also consider like okay so just using the paramount example that was a eight hundred forty seven million dollars that would be needed to buy ten right right like that's a big union if you're able to mode like mobilize yeah that level of money you shouldn't do it that way because the like the the Sinclair example is perfect because these entities are already too big you're not going to get the bang for your buck that you

want there yep if you can mobilize eight hundred and forty seven million dollars you could do devastating things if you use that money wiser on a small scale yeah you can destroy yeah and that will then trickle up as bottom up movements always do where we are i think i think you might have had a better strategy possibly if it wasn't nineteen ninety three right right there is you know you have to you do have to consider the state of technology at that point prior to social media yeah so there is there is a certain amount of like what could be done to disseminate information cheaply right is different but still right it's still a bad plan the thought though good no he does it is something where it's like if you are if you are meditating on your problem the media

then this is something this is an idea that if you're in a writer's room somebody floats yeah somebody floats this like why don't we buy it and then you guys start talking and you're like we can't buy it obvious a lot of that's not going to that's not going to work right this is silly and then you move on to your next idea the problem though you still stay with the problem but the problem is that the writer's room is catching the problem is they're all children so i don't think that if you buy ten percent of a company you now control it i don't think that's true from everything i can tell and i remember from my economics classes generally to have a controlling interest in a business you fifty one percent of the stock um typically and

there's no that's where you're stupid and there's different kinds of stock to yes but anyway bill thinks that if you have ten percent of time war listen to this shit okay this is absurd i want to hear it they own nineteen point one percent of turner broadcasting in other words if we purchase time Warner incorporated we would own nineteen point one percent of turner broadcasting systems cnm so so why even talk about buying turner if time Warner owns nineteen percent yeah of turner broadcasting if you buy ten percent of time Warner you then have double what you need to control turner yeah so in that case isn't time Warner the parent company of and then if anybody if what if you have a company where more there's like one guy owns ten percent one guy

owns eleven percent one guy owns another ten percent they're all controlling interest yep what is going on it's funny that he's he's accident like he's incorrectly correctly diagnosing a big problem which is that all of these media conglomerates own parts of other media conglomerate sure yeah you know interconnectedness of a lot of businesses is it's fucked up i didn't double check a lot of this but if bill's accurate then you know it is it is a problem yeah that's a problem and he's he's correct he's he's even pointing to it there's so much of stuff where bill always seems like he points at the problem and then his solution exacerbates the problem like that's that's his thing he unlike most of the right which is like i don't look at that

problem just don't even don't even worry about it he's like this is an issue and what i think we should do is gather an army of llamas and then we will be able to defeat them on the battlefield makes sense and you're like okay just make sense yeah well i can't i can't argue with you so we've already touched on the fact that you know it's unwieldy to have one point something million people all have to agree all have equal well they all have to agree on yeah exactly and so in this next clip bill explains the solution to that problem right which i think is a problem fascism no one's going to get a penny of your money you are going to purchase your own stock you are going to have it issued to you and certificates with your name on it why because i'm telling you to that's

why the reason you don't buy gold and have somebody else store it for you you always that way you know that you own it all we want you to do is sign a proxy slip giving us the voting rights to your stock there it is if we don't do this our vote will be fractured and we will not have control no shit now if anybody objects to that and you don't want to do it you better let me know now because i don't want to put my heart and soul into making this work i don't want to build the organization and follow it through and make it work only to see a bunch of idiots squabbling over who is going to hold the vote that's going to happen i want to know about it right now in the beginning because i don't want any part of anything like that i don't want any

it's going to happen i don't want any squabbling about who's going to hold the vote because it's fucking me i am going to control time warner i bill cooper you are all side away your voting rights to me this is all just a gigantic project to get him in charge no and i guess he could pretend that like whatever decision i make is in the best interest in my audience i mean you could tell yourself that but sure it's really just i want to control i want i want control and i want you to give it to me i don't like the media and i would like all of your money to buy me a controlling stake or what i believe to be a controlling stake in a gigantic media company i love that he's already resenting people so fucking up the thing that is impossible to do

it's so much like and in here's the thing after we own this and i've established my business running the entire media world for the for about five years and people are going to try people are going to tear me down and i hate those people and who like do do don't worry about it yet that's a good problem to have you got to walk before you run bill so bill goes to calls at the end of the show of course he does and he's about nine years his call system is really interesting because he just has a phone number and people can call in and maybe he picks up or maybe he doesn't yeah that's fun yeah no call screener and so he has a guest uh they have to call in but everyone knows the phone number so if other people call in the guest can't get on the line

i've heard i've heard a number of episodes where he's checking in to see if a guest is there and it'll be a caller he's like i told you all not to call in tonight if you guys keep calling in and my guest can't get through we're not taking calls anymore is that the pre taped advice show that's mr show that's the pre taped question that's so charming in a certain way it's child like it is it has a child like innocence to it well it's that is also naivete i mean naivete it's naivete i think what it is is like a guy doing the best he can with no competence right in the world of like production yeah yeah and then also no support like there's no one outside of like maybe a couple of like ideological associates he has right who are there to like who are radio professionals who

we're making this slick and stuff and he can't afford to pay anybody yeah so it's just we got we got a phone number and you know whatever and let's be honest you can't trust anybody that could be an fbi informant it could be a snitch it could always be a totally if bill fucking oh god in bill's world i think his wife was probably a snitch like that's the way he comes off to there are a number of people that he targets even over the course of these couple episodes we're listening to that i steam cut clips of it's like he hates this guy named tom valentine who's another radio guy okay he insists he's a mason which is which is proved by handshakes that kaji members did with him he knew the masonic handshakes but it's way too complicated to get into so i just left to

decide so good he has a weird intelligence gathering network like he's like he's got a scientology group like it's spying on everybody for him that's so funny bill i i rented to tom valentine i did the masonic handshake with him and he gave it back to me well that's proof proof everything i needed to know he's another radio guy who's like in the right wing sphere and so like bill kind of thinks he's controlled opposition or something yeah yeah anyway bill goes to calls and he gets this caller who i think has a pretty good piece of advice for bill good evening you're on the air hey this is terry calling from atlanta hi terry how are you i'm in pretend shares to start all right but i'll tell you what i'm gonna be your bad conscience again that's okay sometimes

i need a conscience don't get your hopes too high i you know you know your audience well i don't have to get my hopes too high on this you see i know most americans want to own something that they never could own before and they want to really this is different from march on washington this is something they can hold in their hands this is something they can really do yeah but you're talking you're talking to a lot of people they keep their money under a mattress maybe right about that yep now that is a problem you know and they're right that's fun yeah that's fun yeah that caller being a just sort of a voice of come on bill hey buddy buddy you're talking to people who bury their money yeah but the caller is also like bill i support you i got your back but don't

get your hopes that is funny you you know your audience is notoriously suspicious and yeah i appreciate that caller that is really the caller is like a real positive yeah yeah yeah and he's not all of these calls are going to end up being well they're not well that's the only one from this episode but suddenly he gets a caller oh no another episode who hates the jews well that that doesn't surprise that caller not so uplifted that doesn't surprise me yeah so at this point we end the fifteenth sure and bill hasn't decided what company he's going to buy this episode was really just feeling it out it wasn't supposed to decide it wasn't it wasn't supposed to be i'm sorry don't judge him i almost did a spintake whenever there the idea that there he hasn't decided which company

to buy yet like that is yes millions and millions of dollars at his disposal and yes we've just discussed the possibilities so on the twenty first of october nineteen ninety three bill comes back on air i mean granted he has other shows before that sure sure sure he has he comes back and it's been decided now okay who their idea he knows what he's going yes got and he announces he's feeling on top of the world like everything is going pretty well folks we are we're doing it got a lot of calls from a lot of people today buying stock in our media venture not one point three million incorporated let me give you the closing quote today was the fifty let me see fifty and one quarter dollars at four o'clock today the it was down five eighths today's high

was fifty one and one eighths today's low was fifty and one quarter it opened this morning at fifty one dollars per share yesterday's close was fifty and seven eighths so uh it's down now folks so jump in now's the time to buy now's the time to you when all of us begin to buy our stock and other people get in on this venture it's going to go up if you're if you're procrastinating on this you're making a big big big mistake because we're going to own this company and we're going to tell america the truth about what's happening not only in this country but in the world so he's decided on gannett yeah the owners of usa today among other papers around the the country i i mean again this is probably a function of the time that this was created in yeah that you know you

think that the singular focus like all right we're going to prioritize on somebody who owns a ton of papers yeah as opposed to newer media so slowly gobbling up papers yeah yeah that's that it's it's funny do they probably sounded like a great plan in ninety three did they not have decimal points back then when did the decimal point get invented was that about twenty what do you mean about that oh because of the fractions i'm so i isn't that how i think that's how stocks are listed though probably fractions no they're i mean if i check them now they're listed with not in the paper though oh that might be true back in the days of the see that's what i'm saying i might i was i mean i was jokingly asking but also i wasn't sure if it's because it's now it's out to like the

fourth decimal point to yeah i feel like back i don't think that doesn't seem all that foreign to me i i feel like back in the day fractions are foreign to me i feel like fractions were used on stock tickers if it's good enough for do we it's good enough for you fair enough yeah so we're good we're going with gannett now the theme that bill uses on this episode i don't have any clips of it we're going we're going with gannett yeah i don't have any i don't have any clips of the music that he plays but it's just from disney when you wish upon a of course god that's so funny he has no interest in music and he he reads music he doesn't listen to no there's no lyrics it's just the instrumental of when you wish upon a star right but so but it has this like of course

it's this like idealistic we're doing it it's a metaphor kind of song yeah absolutely so most of this is dedicated to taking calls from people about the plan to buy gannett and here is one caller who claims he's bought some shares i'm not sure based on the details if i believe that good evening you're on the air oh hello i'm here in southern california i just want to let you know i get 10 shares fantastic where'd you get them uh i'm gonna pass it here uh what's what brokerage did you use oh god no i gotta look good well you don't have to look it out uh what price did you get i got i don't know yet i just ordered him yesterday and he's bought it bought a for me today oh okay i don't know if i understand anything yet yeah okay yeah you'll be getting uh i didn't get yesterday

did you tell him you wanted to voting shares oh yeah make pieces well i don't see there's any other i will make sure i get voting shares yeah i don't see any other listed so let's make sure i get voting shares there's nothing else listed that's what you're gonna get is voting shares okay anything else uh how do you feel about it no good i think it's a good idea feel good i don't think that guy bought shares oh it's just me an old prospector from 1949 so where'd you get those oh i sent a check to the guy oh cool don't tell me anymore what he's gonna mail him to me would you pay for him uh i gotta check i'm not sure oh yeah cool what are they voting shares uh they're the only shares i heard of that's a guy who's making shut up only shares i only shares i saw

yeah so yeah where yeah so i don't i don't know if that's 10 you can put on the board or not but here's another caller to give you a little bit of the temperature hi bill hello i'm andy hi andy i'm really excited about this plan good andy i need you to put your receiver right in front of your mouth and talk a little louder okay how about this that's a little better let's turn down the radio so yeah turn it off i was on i was on the move there uh i haven't bought any yet but as soon as i save up some bill i'm gonna get some i'm busy spreading the word so he's excited and he's spreading the word but he has a word can't buy any yet also bill might be a dead prez faint he just told him to turn off i know i heard it i was i was listening to that and i was

like hell yeah turn off that bullshit so you got a guy who sometimes it's like putting on a blindfold it's true you got a guy who's like i i don't believe him bought stock no very suspicious caller no and then another guy who's excited but hasn't bought any so so far so good we're over to bill starts you know ruminating about what's going to happen whenever he takes over again see again we're really putting the cart before the horse here bill yeah so what he's going to do is he says i'm not going to fire anybody this isn't going to be a situation where i take over gannett and then i fire everybody at all of the underlying sure sure sure although it turns out a lot of people would end up getting fired well yeah and uh you know we're not going to purchase this corporation

to fire everybody and cause a big calamity what we're going to do is go in and tell them what we want and that's very simple if we own the corporation and there are employees they're going to have to do what we want and if they like their job they will if they don't do what we want then we're well within our rights for firing them for refusing to change the policy with the change of ownership so you got a situation where it's like okay bill your first episode of your broadcast was about that silent weapons for quiet wars right which is a fake fucking document that's easy to figure out is fake now let's assume that you take over gannett and you want us a today to publish that document on the front page as true right now let's assume some editor does a little bit of

leg work and fig fired exactly sorry exactly exactly that's what happened that's what he imagines i know i the only thing i imagine is a complete breakdown of like any kind of standards this is he would turn it into the inquirer in a week no this is i mean u s a today isn't even like i'm listening to this going like is this guy jim span feller did did bill cooper fake his death and then buy gizmodo is that what happened here this is insane maybe he finally figured out new media yeah that could be so another caller calls in and this dude is i think he may be more into buying shares okay but he has a trust you and i know one thing i'm not getting the truth of the media so i'm going to buy some more shares and i hope we get some major control this media well we're going

to do it and with the help of people like you and soon we really need it soon now bill has commented that might take us a year well i'm more patient than that if it takes five i'm going to be here oh well i think we'd better aim for the year yeah we may not have five but this president i grabbed you called you brought up some really great call again and i don't normally like to have some you know one person on the line this long but you brought up some really good points that needed to be talked about this president this president is going to be the president who destroys this country that's bill clinton that would be built yeah yep how did that how did that go let me check my watch okay what year are we um so uh that other voice who here is bill's co-host

yeah uh who fills in whenever he goes on vacations sure not vacations when you look is uh like you fact finding missions we'll go he is speaking engagements every now and again like he went to the uk sure a little while back he's a big deal this timeline yeah yeah so he he has her there i can't remember her name um but robin the 60 year old lady who robin she's probably part of kaji so um you know we might not have five years period we might not make it to 1998 does he when he said that i immediately thought that he thinks that the world will end in five years if they don't even to the country the country apologies right yeah yeah so i'm assuming that he doesn't mean we can't hold out for five years monetarily but no no no if we don't

do this now the world is going to end the country won't survive because right they need the truth that badly right right um yeah i mean but also the other thing you like that that demonstrates and the one of the reasons i wanted to keep that clip in is that like this is such an intrinsic element of this kind of media yeah is that that that immediate crisis of every single time there's something that they don't like it's this will destroy it's the apocalypse yeah everything is the apocalypse i don't know the thing about it that i notice is it has to be apocalyptic because that's the only way that you can get people to unquestioningly unquestioningly believe something yeah and unquestioningly disbelieve something so that guy is literally like i don't trust a thing

the media says then go but i trust everything you say and that is because it's possible that we're buying gannett yeah exactly yeah exactly yeah it's like well one he's part of the media whether or not you like it yeah like that's just how it is yeah so at this point bill goes to another caller and this is where everything breaks really bad because this guy believes that the jews control the media there and uh bill i was wondering whether he's worried the bill isn't addressing that yeah well naturally yes uh bill i was a fellow who called uh the uh tom valentine and i was talking about the jewish control of the media uh-huh and i wanted to have a dialogue with you about that go ahead see bill is the kind of guy who is open to whatever comes what do you got even if you're

saying something that is maybe offensive and outside of what he wants to talk about he takes the conversation yeah which on one level i can respect now on the other level no there's bad move there's a real interesting situation happening here with the question of do jews control the media i feel like that question should already be answered well here's the thing bill is pushing back against this caller because it's very clear that he's coming from an anti-semitic place but at the same time i think that bill is pushing back the wrong way okay because what he's doing is essentially ceding the point that jews run the media right and then pushing back on well what are you going to do about it okay it's weird it seems like you're kind of

contemptuous about me even saying anything about that i don't know why would that be no no no nothing against you i am really angry with the american people as a whole for being sheeple in other words this is a capitalistic republic that we live in why is everybody sitting around complaining because somebody else was smarter than them and bought the media you really care buy it back everything in this country's for sale everybody was complaining and railing against the japanese for buying property and businesses over here who sold it to them my friend greedy americans well can i respond to that sure uh oh oh oh oh uh wow this is like it's it's you know it's weird because he's disagreeing with this guy who's anti-semitic but he's still like falling into anti-semitic uh archetypes and

believes himself it is it is a little bit like i i i mean it's it's very fascinating his his idea of like well yeah why wouldn't the jews buy up the media that's a good investment why aren't you buying up the media yeah and it's like i guess that's i guess that's more progressive than out and out anti semitism but it is like well obviously the jews control the media yeah naturally that's the problem of course but that's because we sold it to them it's your fault that the jews control the media that's a weird thing there's a way to have this rebuttal that's not still playing into anti-semitic tropes and that would be to respond to him like look you're wrong but let's entertain the possibility yeah in your conception if the you you know jews control right the media

right what's stopping you from buying it back in a capitalist exactly the exact like rebuttal he's making framed slightly differently to make clear that you don't believe that the jews control the media yeah start with no the fact that you buy into the premise is a problem right right right that's weird yeah it's weird so at the end of this conversation bill is like hey you hate the jews yeah you're a real big anti-semit but how about you help us buy gannett we're doing something if you want to get on the bang wagon and help us we're going to buy a major media corporation and make sure they print the truth whatever the truth may be and we're not going to slam it toward conservative or toward liberals it's not going to be a christian media corporation

it's not going to be an atheist media corporation it's going to be a media corporation that print there are others but okay the truth whether it's on radio television or in the newspapers if you want to get on board and do something with us we'll welcome your help if all you want to do is complain about the jews uh and let me tell you something uh the jews have not done anything illegal they have exercised their rights under the system oh boy very smart oh boy oh boy they're smart enough stop to buy something and control it and everybody else sits back and whines you're flying that plane towards the mountain they deserve to control it and everybody else that parachute cries deserve where they get from that that just happens to be the truth oh god

oh god bill oh my god well yeah of course the jews control the media but that's because you're a coward do you ever consider that did you ever consider that the jews control the media because you're a coward oh bill you stupid asshole bill oh my god it's so it's so weird that these terrible beliefs are there with the wherewithal to recognize legit like deep antisemitism and yep somehow be opposed to it it's wild i don't understand you're an anti semi for the wrong reasons i don't understand how that dichotomy works within bill but it's one of the reasons that he fascinates me because like there's stupid stupid beliefs that he has like the silent weapons for a quiet war yeah but at the same time whenever a caller will call in and say something

absurd he'll be like where'd you get that information he'll push back on on people who have unproven theories yeah that are callers trying to sell him things in the in a way that alex doesn't when alex gets a caller who's like hey don't pop air bubbles because there's chinese air in there you get corona virus he's like oh my god amazing of course bill would never do that but bill still believes things like silent weapons right right no and in the same way bill is opposed to bigotry like he got he gives speeches sometimes about like white racism black racism asian racism right antisemitism all of these are inappropriate they don't have any place in society and yet you just have him here to this guy is complaining what the jews own of the media is

like yeah the jews own the media because they're smart yeah like bill i mean i think well if i suppose you the only argument he could survive on is that the people who own the media are jewish and because they own the media they are smart therefore the jewish people are smart i guess that's what he's trying to say not that they're inherent jewish one of the problem leads to yeah and then the other problem is the compound noun yeah yeah the compound nouns are struggle yeah so he gets off the phone with this antisemite i don't think he's buying shares but he gets another guy i don't know who's sold me this guy is doing the lords work in terms of buying gannett okay good evening you're on the air good evening door yes yes good evening uh say i just wanted to let you

know uh i bought 100 shares last week i uh i'm also a broker of money manager and i've talked to remember my clients we've now bought a total number of shares 2400 shares damn that's wonderful and this is and he's actually relatively cheap and there is a lot of really upside even if we don't even make the move to take over so i mean it's not only uh makes sense as far as taking control of our destiny it's actually a good investment besides absolutely that's the best argument that anyone including bill has given so far is that like we might make money off this yeah that is the only reason you because this guy is saying something crazy yeah 24 000 or 2400 shares that's a absurd number right for someone one of these people calling in to have and you

know what it means dick it means nothing in terms of control of gannett it's a that's that's funny to me that's funny to me because it's like a sovereign it's a sovereign citizen broker you know he's like well of course i play the market naturally i sign everything with capital letters because otherwise the government won't know it's me but uh you know i mean i'm not going to leave money on the table dan i'm not going to leave money on the table just because i think i don't need a driver's license doesn't mean i'm not going to get rich well i mean like there you know if if um you know you see this as a good opportunity to make some some money absolutely and getting involved in being like well bill's not going to be able to buy this company but i'll join in you

may make make up bucks off it or whatever yeah that's fine show support and i make money there's no downside not really yeah why not anyway yeah spirits are high on october 21st 1993 i don't think it's gonna go as well future wise so you know he gets this call with the 2400 shares he's had a couple other people who've said they've bought shares maybe they have maybe they haven't yeah um spoiler alert things he does not end up buying are you sure yes i really hoped he had a chance and by january 13th 1994 bill gets back on air and his mood not good entirely different oh boy well this is happy sound

what you just heard is a warning if we're not successful in waking the sheeple with this program in concert with many others who are attempting to do the same you will hear those sounds marking in the streets of america nice you're listening to the hour of the time i'm william cooper and i'm carolin nelson this co-host is carolin along again all right so we're now like three months later yeah and the plan is not gone well have they you know struck a dent in the in the go fund b campaign not sure mm so what you have is the sirens which you you're like these aren't happy sounds but that's how he opens every show yeah i know i know that's not uh i know that that's not uncommon but he's like this is what's going to happen

what's what's going on here is this really just about the fact that you don't own gannett yet because you don't and it turns out it's not quite it's partially that but also bill is furious i am holding in my handy newspaper a newspaper ladies and gentlemen the first newspaper i've ever seen in my life where the same story is on every page every page this newspaper is dated december the 29th 1993 i want you to make sure that you have a pad of paper and a pen or pencil by your side because we're going to talk about some things tonight i'm going to give you some information and i'm going to ask that you do something and if you don't do it well you'll find out

the front page the front page there's a smoking pistol a six gun smoke coming out of the barrel pointed right at the reader the headline guns changing our lives to the right homicide records set in 22 cities at the bottom of the page cover story 200 million guns can't be ignored why are people able to shoot someone in the face and walk away it's a good question sorry about a book on the left side special report usa's gun issue in all four sections today examines the explosion of gun violence in the 1990s second amendment is the right to bear arms as fundamental as free speech or as outdated as banging the ordering of troops and private homes the next paragraph barbershop murders dying

young crimes pay in defense seeking solutions haven't sudden death last hope today's debate gatling guns under control treat guns as cars and shooters as drivers and watch the blood mist begin to lift and i say you try to touch one gun you break down america's doors and begin confiscating weapons the blood will run deep in the streets of america now we're sounding like alex there we are so we have there's the stuff it's a newspaper has done a special issue about gun violence and bill is fucking furious about this because of course he is he loves god yeah can't can't get enough of him and so what we have here is a very alex jonesy vibe here in january 1994 where bill is saying you know you touch one gun streets will run red with the blood of you know

whatever and as i was listening to this i noticed a lot of very very familiar themes with alex so some of this is a little bit content adjacent and one of the things is that bill is of the mind that all this gun crime and all this crime that's going on is being manufactured in order to create a problem that the public will demand a solution for which is more government control dialectic in fact if you've been listening to this program you know that the rampant crime in this country has been created simply for the purpose of getting americans themselves under the hegelian dialectic of political conflict resolution to screen for more control and thus render them selves voluntary slaves it's just a hundred holy shit does he think reagan introduced crack into the black community

maybe i think he might it's possible also reagan introduced crack into the black community i have no idea if bill has a position on that more episodes may shed light so they have the that same sort of yeah belief and it's you know it's sort of trivial differences but what i really think is going on is more just bill is mad and and so he's channeling a little bit of this this this anger that he has within him and i mean i could beat around the bush all day but the reason that he's mad is that no one's buying stock yeah and he talks about that here and gets fucking so mad at his audience where i'm on a tirade tonight i cannot stand stupidity and i see a nation of exactly what they call youth cattle that's what i see i gave you all the answer on

this program several months ago gave you the answer a few noble souls went out and followed my plan and then nothing nothing you see the newspaper that i'm quoting from upon which every page attacks the right to keep and bear arms is usa today owned by janet company which i proposed people purchase that that is too that is juicy as a narrative that is an ironic twist that it's just perfect that is perfect i have warned you guys that we need to purchase gannett and then three months later we haven't purchased gannett and they have done the exact opposite of what it is i would have asked also let's imagine a scenario perfect world where you buy gannett within three months able to completely control the editorial content of us a today great

i imagine that that's entirely possible man somehow here's the weirdest part somehow i kind of i would prefer bill's reaction to calling people super predators you know i'm saying like it's it didn't it didn't go well for anybody the the early nine days i wouldn't suggest that it was a strange time yeah i would recommend it so what you end up with is bill is furious because he's seen this gun control gun issue gun violence issue of usa today he's recognized i tried to buy usa today yeah didn't work out didn't go well and here we are and now i told you now all of my listeners have to pay the biggest i told you so in history and it's so fascinating to me that what he's mad at i mean he's mad at the articles and he's mad at usa today obviously but he's really

mad at his audience yeah because he seems to feel like they have failed him in being able to stop that issue from existing yep he gets into that a little bit here if you followed my advice if we have done this this issue could never have happened could never have happened instead it would have an article a large article explaining the real purpose of the second article an amendment and why it is necessary that americans never relinquish their right to keep in their arms because we the owners would have told the editors that that is what we want in that paper and not this crap that we got but what if the articles in the paper are accurate what if these are never considered violence are not possible so you would just like censor

things about the negative parts of guns absolutely in service of pushing your pro gun agenda dan have you never heard what justifies the means why is it not possible to have a publication in your idealized world where you do talk about the fact that there is gun violence and something needs to be done about it but also the second amendment is important why is it impossible it never works that way nope even in bills sort of like weird idealized version of we have control of gannett right doesn't come into like nuance it comes into gun absolutism no and let's say an authoritarian type rule over the that's what i that's what i was thinking like going through there we we spent so much time talking about alex and it wasn't it was for a

while before i was like oh this guy's an out and out fascist but if we listen to this clip right here i'd be like oh so the hard right wing wants complete control over what people here that's legit fascism and bill wants his audience to pay for it and have no say in it and give it to him yes give him all the voting right right yeah exactly yeah yeah this is this is a fascist dictator mad at people for not making him a fascist dictator and for people who complain about communism and like these these sort of like people's revolutions communism i hate socialism i just want millions of people to come together and give me their money right and i say take soul control think about what happened with the bolsheviks dan see that's the thing is they talk about these like

negative historical events exactly he's trying to recreate it literally it's not it's not even it's a one to one yes he's trying to become a media dictator in a certain sense through the work of false populism it's nonsense and he's so god damn mad that people didn't go along with it i would assume a large part of it is that people wanted to or would have supported him but didn't have the financial means to right right had an unfamiliarity with the stock market it's not something that if you're not a stock person it's easy to like the the border of entry is tough yeah once you're already involved it's easier to buy your fourth or fifth stock but buying your first one kind of tough yeah you don't know exactly who to talk to you don't know the process of it absolutely so i think there's

probably a lot of his audience that are well meaning and support him but probably can't get over that hurdle and of course they're the type of people who hide their money under a mattress what are you going to do give them a piece of paper that says it's money there's a lie there's a vent diagram and it's a circle but he's mad at them for not getting over that hurdle without realizing that like they can't most of them can't yeah you're asking them to do something that is outside of the programming yeah you offer them like even earlier in this episode he was talking about buying gold and it's like don't let someone else hold your gold for you hold it yourself yeah how do stocks work it's imaginary i'm holding their gold more or less like it's counter to the

advice of the hard money philosophy of the hard right and so like he's asking people to go against what they're inclined to do right and now these mad at them for not doing it because he wanted the power to stop of this anti gun not even anti gun but like what he perceives to be anti gun yeah messaging it's it's very weird it is it is so applicable because it is him saying i want you my audience to abandon your principles that i order to build that i created for you in order for me to then institute your principles like it is absolutely it's literally the bolshevik revolution it's incredible it's big brother bananas yeah this is like if yankee hote was pissed at horses for not helping him buy a windmill like it's insane i think that

works i think it does work so that's surprising so earlier in the beginning of this back in october bill was saying that he needs ten percent of a company to have control of yes that is now changed apparently oh it has yeah when we began again at company incorporated stock was selling at fifty dollars per share we only need to garner fifteen percent of the stock to effectively control the corporation uh oh it is now selling at fifty seven and one quarter per share sovereign citizen broker made some bank at four p.m new york time so now you need fifteen percent it's almost like these numbers are arbitrary they do seem like it's imagined but the other thing too is like if you look at this the stock is up seven dollars yeah the only thing they've done is gain

stock the only i'm so mad at you the only functional thing that this is achieved is bill is angry and cadet stock has gone up which is kind of the opposite of what he wants that is exactly how that would go that's exactly how that would go this is just bill hitting himself in the face like it's just nonsense it is literally like a weird it's a weird conspiracy rube goldberg machine that he set off it just ends up like all these Byzantine roots the ball goes down and then at the end he just gets slapped it's so funny to me that if he would talk to an economic advisor who wasn't a sovereign citizen part of kaji they would have been like here's what's going to happen and then it's exactly what would have happened here's what's going to happen you're going to have some

people who are going to join up with you they're going to end up buying a bit of stock which is going to increase the price value of the stock and then that's it and that's going to price out people who otherwise would have joined possibly possibly furthermore they are going to make more money and you are going to do nothing you're just doing free work for so funny that's that's all you're doing it's literally all this is doing what you have to do now you've just made more money for us a today the guys you hate who made an article you funded the gun article now bill i'm going to say this to you right now and this is my piece of advice get all one point three million people together before you buy stock don't have people trickle in to the buying stock

that's not how stock works buddy that would be difficult to do because then you know it'd be impossible to do dan and that's why he shouldn't have tried number one it would be impossible but second also when you have one point three million people all gathered together and they're like let's give control to one guy yeah it becomes more comical once the reality of like oh we could buy yeah yeah wait we're just letting bill are we sure bill is insane yeah also while we're here the people who are going to be in that one point three million are people who listen to bill cooper which means they probably take one and a half second before they're like i think bill is an fbi informant like it's a no time and even if they trust bill implicitly they don't trust

30 percent of that one point three million so 30 percent seems low so bill is mad but he wants to start over he wants to he wants to speak again again everybody sell your stock no no no no no if you haven't hold it but we're going to do it we're going to we're going to make it work this alright okay and if you don't oh bill is going to fucking destroy you i'm going to tell you about this corporation i'm going to tell you that if we don't do it this time and if you don't get off your butts and get busy and pitch it to your churches and your organizations and everybody else who's sitting around in this country bitching about the media bitching about what they get on television bitching about what's in the newspapers then every time i hear you bitch i'm going to laugh

loud and clear loud and clear right in your faces because you will have proven to me and to the world and to our enemies that you are not worthy you are not worthy to be treated as people or to have any any say in the affairs of running your country and you will prove that the illuminati are correct oh no when they say a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence such people are stakes on the table and beasts of burden by choice and consent that's what they think of you and every day you prove them right that's a quote from silent weapons for quiet wars that's not a real illuminati thing but bill's dumb this is where bill starts to feel

a lot like alex this is a this is a the guy but what it is is like a guy who feels betrayed yeah like it is it's his own psycho drama that's playing out he feels like his audience has let him down and now we're going to do this again we're going to try we're going to buy gannett and if you don't buy shares you don't get everyone in your church to buy shares right then you aren't human and you don't give a fuck about america that's that might be an overreaction if you don't cut and people are worried about a woman president i mean this is this is narcissism okay run a buck let me run this is legit narcissism let me run this by you i actually think i could make this a workable plan still impossible but far more workable in 2020 here's what we do okay all right we get a sufficient

number of people not going to be one point three million but it's going to be a let's say a hundred thousand right we buy plenty of stock then all at once we sell it because of the way the algorithms run the market now that's going to artificially deflate the price then we get a slightly larger number of people to buy more stock at a lower price thus making it more affordable then we do that it again over and over a month later we do the same thing artificially goes down and so on and so forth the volatile market makes it go all wild and describing all you know all the sudden is yes i am describing bitcoin this is really anyways laws aren't real this is this is the point at which i like really in this saga felt like this is so

like if i were alex and i had the same issues that alex has and i was listening to this guy i would really identify with it i would think like hundred percent bills totally right yeah alex probably would listen to this would be like he why didn't people should be mad why didn't people join up with his quixotic quest to buy the media yeah and it just feels so alex yeah if you ever call us and complain about anything we're going to ask you first do you own shares and get that company incorporated and do we have your price you to vote your stock if you say no we're going to hang up on you because we don't even want to talk to stupid fools hashtag never biden you see i'm gonna force you to save this nation i'm gonna force you to do it

because you won't do it without somebody making you do it and i don't care if you hate my guts i love my country enough to be the most hated man in the world if i have to to save the constitution and the bill of rights that feels so much like alex yep yep that martyrdom that that false martyrdom i welcome your hate yeah and i do not care for those who are not true believers i will have this incredibly artificial cross that i'm bearing and i will make sure you make a note of it yeah because otherwise you're a fucking asshole it's it's it's it's ludicrous i mean that's that's something that i listen to and i recognize so much of that like

bernie or bust thought process that i'm seeing there where it's just like if you guys do your bullshit then fuck you i don't have any but i know that the difference between that and bill's version where it's like i'm going to hang up on you and tell you to go fuck yourself because you weren't part of our true believers the difference for me is like i know for a fact that the when biden gets his ass kicked or whatever happens the bernie people are going to be like haha i told you so now how can we help the stakes are also different it's going to be that the stakes are also quite the stakes are very different for sure bills living in imagine that's true world that is true um there's no outcome of this that's positive right

really and right well there's no outcome oh i mean this is the outcome no other than disappointment yes there's no outcome so bill is just fucking mad yeah he he most of the show is him just being like fucking if you don't buy the stock in the company and sign over your rights to the stock to me it's like shut up it's a false righteousness stockholders meeting is on may the 4th 1994 and whether you know it or not you're going to purchase stock of gannett company incorporated whether you know it or not the american stockholders at that meeting and we are going to garner control of that company and we are going to print the real truth and the real news and the newspapers and on the television sets and on the radio station of gannett company

incorporated across this country and we're going to use those billboards for constructive purposes and we are going to turn this country around are we are going to shut our stupid mouths and put the chains around our ankles and quit being hypocrites and liars and so far that's what you all have been oh dad is disappointed in you i don't want to save the constitution in the bill right you profess to want to do something but you don't ever do a damn thing if you don't like the language you change the station i'm angry i'm tired of listening to your crying bitch and moan i'm tired of you have calling me to solve all your problems and save your country for you i'm sick of it you're going to get off your butt and you're going to help or you're going to shut

up and put the chains around your ankles one of the two one of the two we're going to bring this to a head right now you to get busy and help save this country are you shut up and become a good little slave bill gets twitter this is like this is the the thing that's another like real emotional commonality of him and alex like yeah they're abusive to their listeners absolutely that's like absolutely i oh god i can't even imagine like let's imagine some weird scenario wherein like literally everybody who sports the show if you don't donate to knowledge fight right now you are you know you're a coward and you love alex jones i can't even imagine that would be the equivalent absolutely no one hundred percent what it would take to be like to act like that i don't

know i can't even comprehend that it's it's it's it's horrifying now that i really do have that corollary of that's literally what it would be it would be us yelling at every listener who does not donate even a dollar or whatever it is and just be like you guys love alex jones failed us i will fail the fight against alex i will never take your phone calls i will rat it if you don't don't if you're not patreon subscriber you're dead to me you're a cattle your sheep it's comical that is ridiculous i can't imagine how you get there well i mean i think it's gradual cut to now now ten years from now somebody's doing knowledge fight knowledge fight they're like and this is where they started to go downhill i certainly don't think it comes on overnight

but i think that by degrees you end up yeah like sort of buying your own shit to such an extent yeah that like bill has talked it up in his head obviously from the conception the germination of this idea in october 93 yeah to the point we're in now in january where it's like this is the answer yeah and it's the answer because i have decided it's the answer and anybody who doesn't agree with me is cattle well you know a subversive person yeah very good you know it's it's that yep that's that same sort of thing and like look i know you probably like the militias and you agree on right wing stuff and all that but you call in and you didn't buy gannett go fuck yourself because that was your chance yep yep it's it's uh and you know what it's ludicrous because bill's on the air until

he dies in 2001 and did he no did no clinton ended things right first of all no okay but then also bill doesn't keep being like answering every call with like did you buy gannett stock that would be amazing this chapter ends that would be amazing yeah because it's embarrassing yeah of course it is it is embarrassing and it's a lashing out then and that's another the big commonality between him and alex they lash out their individual personal problems and feelings need to be vented out and the audience needs to feel those things or else they can't handle whatever they're going through and that to me like as much as bill appears to be more of an adult and he reads long passages he's literate yeah it's still like he's a baby he's a baby he comes up with these ideas like i'm going

to buy this media thing because a bunch of people signed a petition of something i was going to do and that means that i can raise eight hundred million dollars yeah and then when it doesn't happen he lashes out like a like a child yeah it's it's it's still the emotional intelligence of somebody who needs to grow the fuck up absolutely that's that's such a that's such a good point just because that that like veneer of literacy and consistency and all of that stuff like legit service like yeah was in the he was in vietnam for sure like there's a there's a bit to respect about that certainly and all of that can cloud you to the rest of it you know like it's it's like somebody doing a profile on richard spencer where you're like look at the new alt right or whatever

and it's like see he's literate and he's got all this shit and that tricks you into accepting that this is a fine human being you know and a lot of the and a lot of the information about what a what a whiny racist baby he is behind the scenes maybe isn't available when you're writing that piece especially you should probably fucking assume it is yeah no kidding yeah in the same way that like with bill like of course like you should assume that this guy is the guy who would act like this yes you know yeah it's but if he doesn't for long enough you're like well maybe he's not yeah because you're the type of person who wants to believe other people and i still think he's interesting and i still think there's a lot of worthwhile things in terms of discussing some

of the beliefs that he has but like don't get it twisted this is this is part of who this is the real bill cooper well i don't know if it's the real bill this is a this is a huge chunk yeah yeah i mean it's a three month arc over his career like so we have one last clip and it's basically him saying that if you don't buy stock to get him control of gannett you're dead okay you're dead to him you must make a choice at this moment you must choose to go with those who would destroy us or you must choose to stand up and take whatever risk you need to take to fight on the side of right by gannett company incorporated stock the first thing tomorrow morning don't anybody ever call us or communicate with us unless you have done that because we don't even want to hear from you

we don't even want to hear from you jesus oh that was sad yeah that's that we don't even want to hear from you sad yeah that's you don't even i don't even believe it no like as as delivered like i don't i don't believe he means that but it's so lashing out it's so yeah petulant absolutely and i think that's that's part of what underlies a lot of these these folks right and even myself to a certain extent like i'm i'm in therapy and you know like i think i have a little better handle on some of my yeah emotional responses but like i'm not like some sort of paragon of maturity no you know like it's not i wouldn't ever pretend that but like you see this and i think i think that a lot of these people who dwell in these worlds have just incredible unexamined and undelt with

emotional issues certainly but but that it cause a certain amount of delay in their development duration yeah and i i i certainly don't have any expertise in the field or enough information to really figure this out but i would suspect based on some of the information i can find about bill and alex that maybe that's a commonality maybe maybe folks who are drawn towards this megalomaniacal individualistic conspiracy theory are sheep or maybe it's a product of like no i just some unresolved shit yeah i maybe it is a function of being stuck in a thirteen year old right emotional state yeah no i i i genuinely understand his his feelings on that like that that like if you're not doing this then you are also responsible for what

happens to you you might as well be a global you know like like i there are so many times where i i'm like looking around and i'm like there are people in still in cages why aren't we doing anything and if you're not actively fighting if you're not doing something if you're not trying then what the fuck are you for why are you involved in this and then you stop for one second and as an adult you're like fucking it's a struggle it's a struggle for people people who want to do something sometimes they just fucking can't well that moment you know you're thinking of right there the analog for this is bill realizing buying ten percent of stock is not going to give me control with all of the child company right what am i doing right right right

it's it's it's weird so i think that there's these weird emotional commonalities and sort of spiritual commonalities you can find that are very fascinating yeah um but at the same time this is such an intrinsic difference that like again as much as we've laughed at bill because this is a dumb idea it's a very ill fated but the problem is correct that's what i'm saying exactly the way that he responded to the question that both him and alex had to answer the question is media doesn't want you what are you going to do you want to be a voice in media in a certain genre yeah and media the companies don't want anything to do with you because you're lying or you're dumb and also some of the ideas you have are dangerous yeah so they don't want to

publicize you or promote you what are you going to do alex it seems like most of his career is entirely been individualistic and like just i'm going to create my empire it will be my empire yeah bill seems to want to co-opt which is the other option right which is a better option sort of misguided the way he applies it yeah and obviously as he explains more about what his actual plan is it's really just i want my empire to be ganette yeah yeah exactly so yeah yeah it's not really that different but no alex wanted to build an empire and bill kind of was like what if we conquered an empire do you guys ever consider that do you ever sit consider conquest what if i use what if i use my audience's resources in order to hostily take over someone else's empire yeah and

it will be ours exactly collectively it'll be ours but i'm the only one who will be able to do anything have you ever heard of a situation where collectively people all got together but only one guy wound up being able to make the decision i know i've heard these guys complain a lot about collectivists anyway yeah i just thought this was one of the more interesting things that i've stumbled across in terms of like listening to bill i i think that there's a lot more in like compelling and important things to talk about in terms of like his actual beliefs in his world views but this was like really a thorn in my in in my back you know like yeah i got to talk about him trying to buy the media yeah no you so fascinating to me you told me off air like or months like

yeah months ago with just a real quick like this is amazing bill cooper literally thought it was a good idea to buy a media outlet and i was like that's fantastic and hilarious kind of hoping you'd forgotten this is great stuff do you mean like i forgot all kinds of never mind yeah so we'll be back on friday folks indeed until then we have a website we do have a website it's knowledgefight.com yep we are also on twitter we are on twitter it's had an elegyne score fight and i go to bed jordan yep we're on facebook we are on facebook and if you liked it on the show please uh itunes or podcast your labs or wherever there's all the donate leave a review we love you yep we'll be back but until then jordan uh i've been uh neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i own gannett andy and

kansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alexa my first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you